Citizen Wells, Open thread, 2009, October 11, Open topics for discussion, Obama, ACORN, Leo Haffey, Health care reform, corruption, Congress, H1N1 flu, Flu vaccinations, Natural born citizen, Lawsuits



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281 responses to “Citizen Wells, Open thread, 2009, October 11, Open topics for discussion, Obama, ACORN, Leo Haffey, Health care reform, corruption, Congress, H1N1 flu, Flu vaccinations, Natural born citizen, Lawsuits

  1. Great information CW and a great place to feel that we can reclaim that which is just and right in the world.
    I read about the child abuse in the mosque in Nasville and if the moslems are throwing their money around this would help explain Leo’s plight. In my mom’s town in Tyler there’s a big wheel moslem Egyptian builder who got alot of press recently because he got caught with some weed. He hires illegals and apparently garners alot of support in the community. Wants to build a big mosque in town wants to get involved in politics.Has contacts in the jails somehow and maybe thats how he didn’t get busted.Not clear on the details. To me his is a story of JIHAD and how it works.Americans had better be alert to this game or our children will not have a country. We must educate people on HOW IT WORKS. Brigitte Gabriel has started the ancillary group called STOPSHARIA.
    It is closing in.We have to battle the LIBTARD MULTICULTURAL MINDSET.
    On another note I was struck by my Minnesota Pastor’s closing prayer.He prayed for our political leaders who give false promises for power and some other equally stinging zinger obviously meant for the usurper. I have been forwarding him TeriiK’s work + leo’s stuff.
    I am depressed after reading Leo’s Quo Warranto article. Anyone?
    Thanks CW.

  2. Bringing this over from the last thread. Maybe
    Atlas can help Leo, since she covered that mosque he was investigating:

    Just Me-

    Atlas’ email is

  3. Bringing this over also, regarding that video “South” posted on last thread (investigating Bill Ayers). The man who spoke is Mark Thompson. Here is his website & his email address is at the bottom:

    In the video he even mentioned something about military involvement.

  4. CW,

    Does this help?

    pdf of form for writ of habeas corpus

    Click to access ao241.pdf

    A habeas corpus petition is a petition filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another’s detention or imprisonment.

    Habeas corpus petitions are usually filed by persons serving prison sentences.

  5. Mark Thompson confronts Bill Ayers. Listen to some of these brainwashed college students.

  6. thought i’d carry this post from downstairs in the updated Leo post upstairs. this is a brave man who is full of conviction. a true patriot. i wonder what the result was of this meeting?

  7. For some reason I have a glitch in my email software & am unable to send anything right now. I was thinking of contacting Judge Napolitano ( Krauthammer , and Dick Morris at about the Haffey situtation. Y’know….hoping some sh*t sticks on the wall. Rush, Bob Woodward, Andrew Brietbart at, etc. Breitbart may be the best bet….links to CW’s previous post and the Geller article about the mosque. Can someone do this? I can’t get my software fixed until tomorrow.

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  9. Looks like Leo can fill out the Writ of H/C form himself, if I’m understanding what I’m reading. I posted a pdf of the form on both threads, now I guess it’s just a matter of how to get it to him. I’m assuming they still withhold his mail, no visitors, ???? CW, is this correct?

  10. Nancy // October 11, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Hi Nancy and thanks for posting that vid. I can’t say I’m shocked at the reaction Mark got.

    In the 1980s, I went back to college for another degree. As an adult learner in classes with people half my age, I saw this liberal trash spewed from most of my professors. I’m thankful that I didn’t have to take ‘core’ classes because it would’ve been a lot worse in the ***101 courses.

    It’s been going on for a long time. Although I never had a prof. of Ayers’ caliber, some came pretty close. I’m surprised that I graduated with an iota of sanity left, but I felt bad for my young colleagues being brainwashed like that.

    Colleges and universities=Youth Indoctrination Centers.

  11. The behavior of (alleged) Judge Dumas is typical of not all, but many of the county,and state supervised entities in Tennesee, and Kentucky both. Of late the DUMAS attitude seems to permeate everything it comes in contact with. I have many friends in both Tennesee, and Kentucky. Some of these people go way back to my Navy days. All have said that they see their respective state going to hell in a hand basket. Literally everywhere we look we see idiotic behavior of both adults,and children. Only in the last 10 years, or so we have witnessed children murdering their parents, we are seeing near babies being raped, and murdered by both teen agers, and older men. We have witnessed female school teachers having sex with adolescent boys,etc,etc. The list grows nearly exponentially as each day passes. I don’t know what is happening to Americans but I know that we are in the FIGHT OF OUR LIVES. If we are unable to turn around our behavioral problems it is unlikely that we will ever be able to correct ANY of our other problems. God knows that we have these problems, but it almost seems like everyone is really enjoying their illicit preoccupations, and too hell with what is right. We need to rebuild, and renew our primary root system if we are to ever return to the right side of life.I recently saw the need,and returned to church. I don’t go there just to make people think that I believe in God. It is more a case that I returned to church to SAVE MYSELF. I recently saw the error of my ways,and chose to correct them. Anybody can do it. It only requires the will power. The times in which we now find ourselves are going to get much more severe,and people are going to be tested in ways they never expected. This testing will reveal the REAL character in ALL of us,and most of us will have our lives changed forever as a result. We can only survive if we do the right things NOW. As I said we are in the fight of our lives. It is multi faceted, and will test the metal of all of us. It is also a fight unlike any that we have ever been involved in before,so we are in uncharted water with regard to experience. For this reason we must see the truth as it REALLY is before we can effectively,and permamently deal with it. We will be fighting our enemy EVERYWHERE. The enemy is trying to ENSLAVE us. To do this he must control everything we do,and think. He will try to take everything we worked hard to earn, and he will try hard to subvert your minds. He must run sqarely into a concrete barrier on every path he walks on. Then he needs to experience such a level of hellfire upon him that he will be incinerated to less than ash. Can we do it?

  12. This is why ACORN needs to be investigated nationally. This horror has been going on for years in Chicago, all 20 of Obama’s reign as a “community organizer”. I hope they get Jarrett, Obama etc. on negligent homicide, murder one better, misappropriation of funds, the list of charges against these SLUMLORDS could go on forever.
    Obama and 3-Year-Old Curtis Cooper
    Contact: Pamela Geller, 516-426-7630,
    OPINION, October 15 /08 Christian Newswire/ — Curtis Cooper was an adorable 3-year-old toddler who loved to ride his tricycle. But Curtis had the misfortune to live in Chicago’s criminally neglected Cabrini Green housing complex. This hellhole of safety violations was “managed” by Obama’s longtime crony, Cullen J. Davis. And so poor Curtis Cooper was crushed to death when an iron gate fell on top of him on June 28, 2008.
    Obama is up to his neck in the sewer of Chicago’s public housing scandals, along with his mentor, convicted felon Tony Rezko, Allison Davis (Cullen’s father), who’s Obama’s former law firm boss, and Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s senior advisor. The Boston Globe reported that, as state senator, Obama directed millions of dollars of public funds to these cronies for them to improve public housing. Instead, they pocketed the money, kicked some back to Obama’s campaign, and ignored the public housing in their care, sometimes to the point of outright abandonment.
    The system worked beautifully for Obama, whose campaign coffers overflowed, and for his cronies who grew rich at the public trough. But for the poor African-Americans in these projects, who shivered without heat in the winter and endured collapsing roofs and sewage in their kitchen sinks, the system stank. And for the parents of 3-year-old Curtis Cooper, it brought the ultimate tragedy, leaving them only a lifetime of grief and a lawsuit to pursue justice in their son’s name.

  13. oldsalt77, Your words touched my heart, I just keep coming back to this site yesterday and today because there is so much happening in the spirit and in the natural. You can’t rewire a house without pulling the main switch. That is what is being done here pulling the main switch. Be strong and very courageous I believe we can do this. GOD bless you all!!

  14. Well written Michelle. Keep this stuff coming. The truth needs to be seen, and heard.

  15. I just read where the big action congr-ASS took in defunding ACORN was only for ONE month???

    More smoke and mirrors and more insults to GQ public

  16. Sue-

    I can’t imagine going into debt to send a child to college to have that kind of garbage being taught. I makes me wonder if maybe a trade school or something would be better. We should support Mark Thompson. At his website he is asking people to email U. of Illinois demanding an investigation:

  17. Michelle, Your knowledge of Chicago has brought a new understanding of how things work from there. Thanks I appreciate U. God bless

  18. For those who began digging into 0’s State Senate accomplishments or lack there of, our friend Fineo, a videographer, has taken the visual and applied it to the disastrous event which happened this past Wednesday in Chicago.

    It’s a must see to understand why little of the millions of state and federal $$$ went 0 made sure Jarrett, Rezko and other political cronies take over and manage public housing and to “re-hab” these units for the lower income. What happened to these millions? Moreover, why isn’t Jarett in jail? Obama? and all of the others who accepted millions in grants to rehab these structures but never did. Where in the hell did our money go?

    Ah, maybe to the Chicago Olympic committee, seeing that these properties were intentionally neglected so the Chicago Olympic committee would have reason to tear them down to put their shiny new Olympic Village there. Maybe that’s also why Rezko helped 0 buy his house which is right outside of where the village was to be built.

    Wednesday, last week, an iron gate from one of these neglected housing projects crashed down killing an innocent three year old child named Curtis Cooper. This babe’s crime was riding his tricycle near the gate which he barely touched before it came tumbling down and killed him. Mind you, his mother watched in horror and was helpless to do anything to save her dear sweet child.

    This child lost to us forever, should stand prominently in everyone’s mind as the polar opposite to the sheer evil of the Daley/Obama/Rezko/Jarett/Ayers… This child lost his life, his mother lost her beloved son only b/c these rat bastards wanted a shining roman throne called the Olympic Village hailing to the world their granduer! F**k em! They ALL belong in jail NOW.

    When is someone going to do their job!!! How many more Curtis Cooper’s will die due to these crooks neglect and hubris. How many???

  19. Carmen-

    I have been trying hard to encourage some of my friends in both Kentucky, and Tennesee to come over to the CW blog. None of them knew about this blog site. So hopefully we can enjoy some insight from some long time natives of these two states. There is a lot going on, and it is imperative that we stay on top of it all.

  20. my apologies but thought i had the right video. here it is … i hope

  21. Off topic, but my grandson’s homework:

    7th grade – Make up a name for a labor union & design a poster to get employees to join. Ob boy, here we go………

  22. Old Salt-

    That would be good if your Tenn. friends would give some insight!

  23. Nancy….how about FLEW
    Free Labor Employees Union
    Free membership!
    A dues free organization for employees who wish to see the albatross of corruption and special interests from paid unions removed from around the necks of the free markets they choke

  24. The tragic death of the innocent toddler probably gives Jarrett, and Soetoro a dirty little sex thrill. This child is dead,but certainlyWILL NOT be FORGOTTEN.

  25. Susan Daniels signed afadavit confirming Obama used deceases man’s ss#;page=1

  26. oldsalt77, I also have told friends and others I have contacted about this site. Here in Ga. as I am sure all over the south the good ole boys have the most say. That is starting to change around here, more people are being informed with the unemployment rate more than half of the Mexicans have gone back to Mexico in the last year. What do you think is the best place to start to get the most done? God bless

  27. Sandy-
    That’s a good one. I can only imagine the grade he would get for that! I’m not sure what to tell him. Sometimes (usually, though) it’s difficult for me to keep my mouth shut. LOL

  28. Nancy,

    I cannot imagine what I would do if that assignment was forced on my 4th or 10th grade children. I believe I would have to tell the assigning teacher that I believe the labor unions are an idea whose time has come and gone and that now they are simply unconstitutional strong arms of the mob and special interests who are doing nothing but causing higher prices per unit of goods which forces higher unemployment as factories cannot compete against their non-union and over-seas counter-parts. Seeing as how we do not believe in labor unions because there are already laws in place now to protect workers, I cannot allow my son to complete this assignment. By requiring him do so, my family believes you will be committing political persecution against our strong beliefs as parents.

    I would simply be livid! Good luck with the keeping quiet thing. lol

  29. Do you think this woman, Norma Tillman, has anything to do with suppressing Leo? She sued Leo in 1998 or 1999. Leo countered her suit (which he later dropped, as far as I can tell) saying their dogs were shot, cars vandalized, etc.

    I’ll post lawsuit in next comment.

    Scroll down for info on her. Sounds like she has alot of influence in Nashville.

    Click to access 2008-February.pdf

  30. Did anyone hear Dr. Orly Taitz on the Andrea Shea King show last night?

  31. off topic: Nancy, What about the “safe
    school czar” Kevin Jennnings and his “affiliations”— I don’t want kindergarteners
    taught about homosexuality in their curriculum.
    Then, BO as key note speaker to the group
    with the gay agenda. Bo telling them he’s
    going to get rid of the military’s “don’t ask,don’t tell” agreement and that he will work on
    changing the “in defense of marriage” act.

    The majority of Americans are not on board
    with any of his changes to say the least!

  32. This is a Judeo-Christian country no matter
    what Obama claims it is. And, we need to make
    sure it STAYS that way! Get rid of illegal aliens,
    deport them now. For all the Muslims who don’t want to abide to our culture and our laws,
    shut down their mosques and ship them back.

  33. oldsalt77 // October 11, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    I recently saw the need,and returned to church. I don’t go there just to make people think that I believe in God. It is more a case that I returned to church to SAVE MYSELF. I recently saw the error of my ways,and chose to correct them. Anybody can do it

    I started back to a little church in Logan County in June and I’m a good person…….I also felt it was time to return to church for me, not anyone else…Oldsalt, I believe this may be the 7 years before Christ returns…I’m not a Bible scholar, but old enough to notice it’s about time for something to change. And not one change in a year has been good…..

    God bless all of us and take care of us.

  34. Maddie-

    Kevin Jennings needs TO GO! Especially given the fact that he supports NAMBLA (Man Boy Love) Blech! I don’t even like typing that. Beck & Hannity both covered the sordid details last week with someone who went undercover with that group. Did you see it? If not, I can try to find it.

  35. Maddie-

    Oh yeah & Kevin Jennings wrote that book, ‘Queering Elementary Education’.

  36. Since CW mentioned H1N1 on this open thread, did you all see Beck’s entire hour on it last Thursday. I’ll post part 4 of 5, since I thought it was the most eye-opening part (especially with what that employer attorney said in the last part)

  37. Nancy–
    Can you imagine sending your child to school
    where the “Queering…” is part of the course of
    study? You have got to be kidding. I am ready to throw up on so many of these out-of-this-world garbage on a daily basis.

    I totally agree and am with you—we need to
    get rid of Kevin Jennings ASAP–and that’s NOT
    SOON ENOUGH. The poor children—it makes me sick.

    I am paying attention to everything the schools are doing here and am ready to “jump” on these issues.

  38. Lindsay Graham is a back stabbing, traitor, evil piece of chit!

    He’s now supporting the Cap and Tax Bill.

    I used to think he was someone that was on our side, but it’s now evident, he’s working for establishment.

    Go to hell Lindsay Graham, GO TO HELL!

  39. I did see some of the K. Jennings coverage–
    I’m glad Fox is covering it. To think the Fraud
    has the guts to appoint and call him the “Safe
    School Czar”!!!

    Can you think what Americans are thinking and
    our “good” former Presidents are thinking
    as well? RR is turning over in his grave,
    bless his heart.

  40. Maddie-

    No, I can’t imagine. I want a time machine. I want to go back to when I was a child. I want to go back to the days when we started our school day out by saying the Lord’s Prayer in public schools. I want to go back to the days when kids could ride their bikes around the neighborhood all day until “supper” time. We & our parents didn’t have to worry about some perverted child predator kidnapping us. I want to go back to when we had a Christmas Concert in school & we sang carols for our parents in the audience. Give me back the old black & white TV with the antenna on the roof that you had to go out and adjust when it was windy. I want the days of penny candy back. Times were simpler, but oh so much happier.

  41. Oh & let’s not forget our 45 rpm records, paper dolls (19 cents) transistor radios & jiffy pop! I would miss air conditioning, but I would be willing to trade it for these days.

  42. I feel like I’m the only one commenting, but I must take advantage of the fact that my hubby is out fishing & I can sit here at the computer without him reminding of all the housework I should be doing – LOL. So here’s another one in case you missed it. Our wonderful flag defaced.

    Since Ebay removed Sandy’s Birther Club Tin Foil Hat, how do we go about getting this garbage removed?

  43. marmar // October 11, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Hi marmar,

    Thanks for the link-I read the entire affidavit and to me, that’s the proof that Barky was using the SS# of someone in CT who was born in 1890!

    Orly had stated that previously, but I hadn’t seen the affidavit.

    How much more proof does America need to arrest him?

  44. marmar // October 11, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    Hi marmar,

    Thanks for the link-I read the entire affidavit and to me, that’s the proof that Barky was using the SS# of someone in CT who was born in 1890!

    Orly had stated that previously, but I hadn’t seen the affidavit.

    How much more proof does America need to arrest him?
    Sue K-

    Seems to me like that should be enough to do it. Just need someone with the guts to stand up!

  45. Here’s another one of our flags defaced:

    I just wrote to ebay about every seller I could find selling this trash telling them I am offended, that defacing the flag is illegal & that they should remove the listing. We’ll see where that goes. I hope more people do the same thing to let them know that this sort of thing just will not stand with patriots. After they removed Sandy’s listing, they should do this, too. If they don’t, we know their way of thinking.

  46. Nancy,

    Flag (pun intended) the eBay listing as illegal. Report it to eBay and they should remove the listing.

    If not, let’s sue eBay for failing to follow the law. That seems simple enough. If a Kenyan BC can’t be sold, neither should an illegal flag.

  47. Nancy,

    Sorry, just noticed you did that already.

  48. JeffM-

    Exactly. I did flag (I like the pun) it to ebay as being illegal. I reported it repeatedly, with each listing under different sellers. As I said earlier, if they don’t remove it, we will know where ebay stands. We should all report it. Power is in numbers. The obots sure know that. Oh, thanks for responding. I thought maybe I was the only one in here commenting. LOL


    Here are general guidelines for how law should be applied to any and all cases:

    1. Make sure the case you are citing hasn’t been superseded by new statutes cited on or after the date of the decision

    2. Ensure the case you are citing contains the correct context for the case you are deciding upon, filing in, or defending against.

    3. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. No local, state, or federal law can be allowed to supersede the Constitution unless that law has been superseded in the Constitution itself.

    4. The right answer is the common sense answer, regardless of what the law says.

    5. Decisions made in civil cases can apply to criminal cases and vice versa, provided they are in the same context.

    I just can not understand why this is so difficult for justices and attorneys to follow. At least for those who want to see justice prevail.

  50. JeffM-

    I just hope I flagged it the correct way. I clicked on “comment on this item” in the upper right of the listing. Is that the correct way to do it? If not, I hope someone will direct me. I will do it again the right way.

  51. Nancy-
    Can you provide a link to the person who has the actual affidavit regarding the SS number. I think that I know a way to substiantiate it.

  52. Orly filed again today- focus on mail and wire fraud committed by o.

  53. Oldsalt77-

    Read my link at 4:41- seems Orly’s new filing today is based on that SS# affidavit.

  54. I want everyone to understand that this cesspool of corruption Cook County, Chicago has been going on for a long, long, time. It was taken to new heights of degradation the entire time Obama was pretending he was a community organizer. This is everyone’s federal, state and local taxes being stolen by Obama, Jarrett et al. What defense has any three year old have? None. This child is by far not the only little one to be murdered there. This is an area that the gang bangers took over, wide open drugs, crime etc. Let’s put it this way not all the residents are angels, but many are just “the working poor” trying, struggling under the weight of almost insurmountable odds. As a suburbanite of Chicago we were all well aware of the activity of South Side Chicago. Consider it a war zone, because that is what it is. Politicians like Obama etc. as you can see are not only no help, they have been a hindrance due to their lying, cheating, thieving ways and knowing Chicago like I do, I’m sure it is considered COMMON KNOWLEDGE. A few reporters with video cameras hitting Obama’s old district would definitely open everyone’s eyes. That needs to go viral.

  55. Nancy // October 11, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Hi Nancy,

    I just e-mailed the seller…

  56. I have some questions though as well. Since The Social Security System didn’t exist until 1936 I am wondering how someone had a SS number in 1890. I find that a little hard to swallow.

  57. Old Salt-

    Here is the link connected to Prairie’s. Forgive me, Prairie, if it is the same:

  58. SueK-

    Did I do it right? I went to the listing & clicked on “comment on this item” ( or something like that). Or is there a better way to do it? I am so disgusted about this. What’s next? That flag flying over our schools & govt.buildings? We have to nip it in the bud.

  59. d21- Carol Marin :: The voice you heard on your video was Carol Marin she has been a voice in the wilderness for a long time.
    Sunday, October 11, 2009
    Law keeps CPS in the dark on at-risk youths
    In 2002, the notorious “king” of the Vice Lords, Willie Lloyd, talked with Sun-Times reporters Frank Main and Carlos Sandovi.

  60. Nancy,

    Don’t click “Comment on this item”. Click “Report Item” under the “Other Item Info”. Once you do, select:

    1. Prohibited (banned items)
    2. Other Prohibited Banned Items
    3. Other prohibited items

    Once the description appears, cut and paste the following:

    Seller is in direct violation of U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, §176. Respect for flag:

    (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

    That should get their attention.

  61. Nancy and Oldsalt77,

    That is only part of it. Orly filed a bit after noon today Oct 11. The new complaint makes charges of mail and wire corruption by o. The charges are backed by these affidavits. The 4:41 FR link will take you to the info. I did not click to Orly’s site- too many troubles there.

  62. oldsalt77 // October 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Hi OldSalt,

    I’m thinking that even if this person was born in 1890, when the SS system came to be in 1936, he applied for and was issued one at that time. I’m sure many folks did the same.

  63. JeffM-

    Thank You! I will try that. Just one question, where is “Other Item Info” located on the listing?

  64. Nancy // October 11, 2009 at 4:50 pm


    See Jeff’s post at 4:52.

    I e-mailed the seller, but you can also ‘report the item.’

    I’m gonna do that with each item I find that desecrates our flag!

    Let’s inundate ebay!

  65. Nancy,

    The “Other Item Info” is located on the right hand side of the listing, right below the “Seller Info” box which is at the very top right-hand side of the listing.

  66. JeffM // October 11, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Got it, Jeff-thanks.

  67. John Walsh on NAMBLA
    NAMBLA was formed in 1978. They say they condemn sexual abuse and all forms of coercion. However members of NAMBLA have been charged with murder and rape, just to name a couple. On an episode of America’s Most Wanted, John Walsh stated “That he and the FBI has tried for years to stop NAMBLA, and that all members of NAMBLA are sexually abusing young boys.”

  68. 10/11/09

    Orly files Civil RICO (18 U.S.C. §1964(c)) on Obama and gang.

  69. Oh! Now I see the flag icon under “other info”. OK, so now I will go back & use JeffM’s statute & report a complaint under that. Thank’s all.

  70. ARMY D.A.V // October 11, 2009 at 5:02 pm,

    Let us hope Mrs. Taitz filed this on behalf of Mr. Keyes as he has direct financial implications for failing to obtain the proper votes in California (and other states). Keyes should be entitled to close to a million dollars worth of public campaign funds for 2012.

  71. I know that Orly has many different ss#’s for both Obama’s. Does she just need this one for wire fraud etc. RICO? I wonder if she is still checking on the other ss#’s. In case he cops the usual “I was unaware” garbage, how could you not be aware when you file income tax every year? I wonder how accurate that is, and will the preparer get into trouble also? This has got to be the weirdest tangled web anyone has ever seen.

  72. ARMY D.A.V-I’m so glad Orly was able to file RICO, that will unleash an army of forensic accountants, legal accountants and much etc. I cannot imagine how many billions of dollars of the taxpayers money is involved here. Keyes I sure hope that man finally gets justice. Keyes played by the rules, Obama cheated from day one. I just thought of something RICO makes everyone very nervous, I wonder if this is the key where they start ratting each other out.

  73. This latest filing by Orly reminds me of Lame Cherry’s ‘Flock Shootin’ article. However,maybe this will enable the judge to go after federal criminal charges and avoid the Quo Warranto venue issue. I figure if Orly’s still up for flock shootin in the court room she should take Leo’s latest advice and seek a writ from the DC court to file using an attorney since the US attorney and Holder ignored her request already.

    RICO Penalties
    RICO authorizes severe penalties of fine and imprisonment. The maximum punishment for an individual on a single RICO charge is imprisonment for twenty years (life if any of the predicate acts charged, such as murder, would permit such a punishment), and a fine of $250,000 or twice the proceeds of the offense. In addition, RICO revived the punishment of forfeiture of property, which before 1970 had been little used in American criminal law.

    RICO imposes, as a mandatory penalty, a judgment of forfeiture to the United States government not only of any proceeds or property derived from the proceeds of the crime, but also of any interest the defendant holds in the enterprise, or any property of any kind that provides a source of influence over the enterprise. The latter provisions, rooted in the statute’s original purpose of preventing criminal control of legitimate business, aim not only to punish the offender, but also to deny continuing power over an enterprise to anyone who has corrupted it to criminal ends.

    Read more:

  75. @Aristotle the Hun,
    I just wanted to say thank you for posting the address in Florida for Leo Haffey’s defense fund. I don’t have a pay pal account and want to help him. I will send a check out in the morning. In the meantime I have him and his wife and daughter in my prayers. This is truly frightening, but I’m not the least bit surprised.

  76. Hey…does anyone think the Norwegian boiled fish & dill eaters deserve a look at a Reverend Manning u-tube….?

  77. I just hope Orly cleans up that raw data for the SS#, one to five might be possible .

    BTW . Why doesn’t she give Isreal’s Mossad the Kenyan BC to check out, ?.

  78. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I totally agree with your comments,

    >> oldsalt77 // October 11, 2009 at 1:35 pm

  79. SUEK………………………………
    Was there any mention of the age of the person who was born in 1890, when he/she signed up for Social Security. The birthdate of 1890 tells me that he/she wouldn’t have started drawing benefits until 1955. If soneone was drawing benefits say until 1975, then there is a strong probability that the number would either not be reissued with only a small time lapse, or the number will never be reissued. I do not know Social Security protocol regarding the issuance, or reissuance of SS numbers, but I would bet that the number would NEVER be reissued. To that end I would suspect there is a BIG problem regarding his SS.

  80. Hey Michelle…
    maybe since an individual plaintiff cannot remove a sitting president without a Quo Warranto at least according to Donofrio’s citations…(I do not want to step on toes here…)maybe we can git’im in the slammer!
    He will be the first U.S. President residing and signing legislation from a federal prison……

  81. Linda from NY


    The Nobel Peace Prize Debunked

    The insanity continues; the distraction’s the same;
    The corrupted committee comes forth to name;
    A usurper pretender, impostor, they claim;
    Deserves the award for his country’s disdain!

    Take note you Patriots; to what we declare;
    Behave, retreat; get your nose of out the air;
    He’s our puppet; we say what he does;
    So get with the program just because!

    We do not have time to explain it to you;
    We’ll let him tell you what you must do.
    Make peace not war; get out of our way;
    Cause he knows just how to save the day!

    Remember what happens to those who don’t mind;
    In jail, what they’ve done will begin to unwind;
    Speak out against what we’re trying to do;
    You’ll find your life change and your fortunes, too!

    So be good, you minions, and listen to me;
    Because then you’ll see, I deserve to be;
    Adored, elevated, and adulated you see;
    It all about nothing, about nothing, but me!

    The word about Leo is being spread far and wide;
    Sooner or later; they will have nothing to hide;
    The pressure to release Leo will become too great;
    They’ll be forced to retreat for that is their fate!

    Don’t underestimate the power of the word;
    Spread far and wide will not cease to be heard;
    The outcry will be so loud and so strong;
    That Leo will be free before too long!

    When Leo is free; you will be sorry for sure;
    Cause the defense, in truth, will be proud and pure;
    Those who believe they have the upper hand;
    Will soon find that swiftly in jail they will land!


  82. It will not be the first time RICO charges were filed.


    Click to access acorn.pdf


    A criminal complaint filed in Las Vegas Justice Court accuses ACORN and two former employees of 39 low-level felonies.

    Get in line Orly……..

  83. Linda from NY


    Leo’s Plight…

    Leo’s plight becomes clearer by the day;
    We’re thwarted in helping in any way;
    Ideas are flowing like milk and honey;
    Leo’s been hammered, and he needs money!

    Word’s out to websites/blogs that might help;
    Seems to be one way to make the dog yelp;
    Alas, we are preaching to the choir;
    As we swiftly sift through the murky mire!

    Lawyers we seek, but none have come forward;
    To assist Leo, and bring his case toward;
    A filing of Habeas of the Corpus kind;
    That’s what we need; bring it forth and to mind!

    Alert Channel 5 to look into this;
    Ah but, something there has gone amiss;
    People are wary of getting involved;
    So how are we going to get this resolved?

    We have come full circle from where we began;
    To get the word out, report the story broadband;
    With all we’ve been through to bring it to light;
    We can’t get it out; we can’t get it right!

    So what do we do to help Leo today?
    We pray; after all, it’s the only sure way;
    To get some help from Heaven Above;
    It’s all that we need now to show our Love!

    Great minds from this blog and beyond;
    Will come together to refute the bond;
    We’ll find a way, we haven’t just yet;
    We’ll get Leo released on that you can bet!

    We must never give up says Citizen Wells;
    Even when our anger/frustration swells;
    We must try again to find a way;
    To get Leo out; let him have his say!

    God speed…Linda

  84. JeffM & everyone-

    Wow, when I try to flag this on ebay, it will not allow me to paste the statute that you stated. In fact, it will now even allow me to type in all that I want. Is it just me ( when you try to report something under that flag icon) or what? I try to type & it keeps erasing what I write. Maybe it’s just me doing something incorrectly?

  85. Did the listing change? When I went there it was a sticker of the flag with a silheutte of the Obutta on it. I don’t know if that would be illegal since it is a sticker?

    But, speaking of ebay…….does anybody have anything they would like me to sell to raise money for this cause? All you have to do is email me a picture and the specifications. Your only donation would be for the postage since you would have to send it. I would be happy to do the design and listing…….

    You can contact me at 412hoopwins on ebay.

  86. Nancy,

    Try this:

    Seller is in direct violation of U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, §176. Respect for flag:

    (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

  87. sandy // October 11, 2009 at 5:40 pm,

    There are strict guidlines on the use of the flag. All manufacturers must get permission from the federal government to even reproduce the flag. I’m going to take a wild guess and say they aren’t authorized to use it regardless as to whether it’s a sticker or not.

    The flag is the flag. All statutes still apply.

  88. It is time to Rumble!!! Bring it on!! Tired of the Lies, A Natural Born Citizen is born to citizen Parents!!!

  89. Magna Carta-One ss# funky but several like that shows pattern. This stealing of ss#’s had to come from the mothers “banking” days.

  90. Magna Carta // October 11, 2009 at 5:25 pm,

    Leo is wrong again. I’ve refuted/substantiated both cases he’s cited as he isn’t following the 5 rules mentioned above.

    Leo tends to hen pick cases which gets him into trouble. Yes, if you have direct interest in the quo warranto you can file one in any court of law without permission!.

    It’s common sense. If I was under direct influence of the law, then I have the right and standing to question that authority of the law. A monkey could figure this out. Why is this so difficult for attorneys and judges to figure this out?

    Answer: they are making this too complicated, or they are getting paid off.

  91. Does anyone know how to read SS # Code?
    000-00-000 what does this series mean? and how many people would it be able to serve?

  92. Linda from NY

    Is this what they are teaching in school today?

    The Dark Side of Christopher Columbus|main|dl1|link3|

  93. I tried again to flag the items on ebay. You all should try & let me know how you make out. Maybe I’m doing something wrong, but it is stranbe. I am unable to paste JeffM’s statute makinbg it illegal to deface our flag, and I try to type anything, it will not show up. Is it me? You people please try & let me know. I’m trying under the flag icon on ebay. What I am opposing is the sales of this flag & ebay won’t let me do it! Please give me feedback.

    Seller is in direct violation of U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, §176. Respect for flag:

    (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

    The above from JeffM I am unable to post on ebay. Please, someone else try & let me know if you are able to. The following is what we are objecting to:”

  94. Sorry for the typos, hubby is home now.

  95. Nancy,

    There appears to be a text limitation. Try the following:

    Seller is in direct violation of U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, §176. Refer to subset(g).

  96. Linda –
    In SD it is Native American Day. No offense to Native Americans, but my boys were given printed info that described Columbus as a “VILLAN” for “what began the end of the Native American way of life.”

    BTW- I am enjoying all of your poems.

  97. Taitz’s recent filing:

    Its not a RICO filing, its a request for Judicial Notice

    Its about standing claims.

  98. Well,
    It is true that Judge Carter did not mention this feature as he was airing his concerns to the participants.He mentioned standing and perhaps wondered aloud on the process of impeachment.
    Have you debated Leo on his blog?
    He did mention that it would be fairly easy for Orly to file a request at the DC court.I don’t see where this plan as a backup would be a bad idea.
    But I’m confused as to his latest posting.Is he now saying that the idea of petitioning the court for permission to file in the name of the US is a no go?
    Not doubting your angle…just trying to understand if Quo Warranto based on case law is now off limits in his theory.
    Also, it was said that Orly cited Quo Warranto case law from CA. is this true also?

  99. JeffM- Okay, thanks, I will try again. If we don’t do something, this so-called flag will become commonplace, flying from flagposts everywhere.
    God help us.

  100. Nancy // October 11, 2009 at 5:53 pm


    This what I did: Went to the item and clicked on ‘report item.’ Then, I followed the prompts Jeff suggested.

    There is a limit on the number of characters you can use to explain why you’re reporting it, so I just used the first paragraph with the U.S. Code. Highlight the section and Ctl ‘C’ will copy the section for you, and Ctl ‘V’ will paste it.

    I got a nice e-mail from ebay stating that they’d check it out.

  101. SueK & JeffM-
    I just did the same thing you did. If this is not removed from ebay, more action is needed. I will not accept this on our flag.

  102. Here’s the response I recieved from ebay:

    We will thoroughly review the listing(s) or Want It Now post(s) you have
    reported for violations of our Categorization Policy. We often rely on
    members like you to bring these violations to our attention. Because
    many buyers use the category structure to more efficiently locate items,
    maintaining the integrity of the categories improves the buyer’s
    experience and results in increased sales.

    In light of our privacy policy, we cannot share any action taken by eBay
    with respect to this listing or post. If we determine that the listing
    or post violates eBay policy, we may:

    1. Send the seller an informational alert;
    2. Move the listing to a more appropriate category;
    3. Remove the listing or post; or
    4. Suspend the seller.

    Account suspensions are usually reserved for those sellers that
    continuously disregard policy.

    For more information on eBay’s Categorization Policy, please visit:

    Thank you for your report.


    The eBay Community Watch Team

  103. Okay….I reported it as well…..

    This is pathetic.

    Better get Amazon now:

  104. E mailed NEOplexonline:

    Did you know that as a Seller, you are in direct violation of U.S. Code Title 36, Chapter 10, §176. Respect for flag:

    (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
    You need to remove all US flags for sale that have been altered in such a manner.


  105. sandy

    Did you file a complaint with eBay?.

  106. Yes….and NEOplex and now Amazon….

  107. Checkmate against Obama! Orly Taitz has just filed a RICO!

  108. Linda from NY

    Prairie: While I do not believe Columbus was a saint nor do I believe Native Americans were without fault, I think the bad stuff should be kept out of their studies. There is good and bad in every ethnic group.

    Glad you are enjoying my silly little ditties. When I get frustrated, I write sing-songy poems; last couple of threads have been frustrating. Thanks.

  109. Thank you all. We have got to stop these flags (probably made in China) or we are going to see them everywhere.

    P.S. My grandson is getting brainwashed. I posted earlier (maybe on previous thread) that his homework was to make up a name for a labor union & make a poster promoting why employees should accept a union.

    Well, now I have talked to my grandson (7th grade) & he is telling me that he is being taught that unions are the way to go! He thinks I am crazy. Good Lord, help us. I can’t even try to speak to him-he says I am paranoid. I am afraid to say anything to my family anymore. My husband thinks I’m crazy, too. I know I am not. I am informed (after hours of research & reading all this blog has to offer). It does not matter-I will follow God & my heart.

  110. This is BIGGER THAN BIG news!

    Go here and read about Orly Taitz’ “Rico Ricardo”!

  111. Just reported the defacing of the American
    flag as per listing on Ebay (linked above).
    This super seller has already sold 11 of them
    as listing states. This is beyond disgusting.
    Keep reporting until this is shut down.

  112. For those who may have trouble understanding the legalese of Orly’s new electronic filing — maybe I can do a little to bring them into layman’s language.

    Orly is bringing forward a Second Leg for her case to stand on in case the Judge cannot grant her ‘quo warranto’ motion, for any of the many reasons that Leo Donofrio has cited — namely, most recently that there is no private right to file quo warranto (I disagree with Leo on this, but only this far — that right belongs to the ‘sovereign,’ and in this country (at least up till now), the people are ‘sovereign’) — but yes it is not a ‘private’ right.

    Orly is preparing to bring forward multiple counts of ‘fraud!’

    All of this has been seen before, and the evidence that has been unearthed by Orly’s private investigator, Neil Sankey, appears to conform with a pattern of MONEY-LAUNDERING of the kind that is normally associated with people in the drug-trade — namely, a lot of real estate buys and sells, and under a lot of different I.D’s.

    I have a feeling this is why Larry Sinclair first went looking at Orly — because what he has written in his book — but I’m only guessing at that. It’s important to remember that Larry left Orly unhappy.

    This is my gut feeling — the Federal Courts will probably move the Constitutional eligibility question aside, if they see any merit at all in this count — because without a doubt the Federal Courts have subject-matter jurisdiction of the kind of count that Orly is beginning to present here in re: Obama, and OBVIOUSLY all of these matters took place PRIOR to his taking office.

    Remember, all of these findings were posted prior to the election, and simply ignored universally, except by those who agreed with Larry Sinclair.

    The first to notice this patter of deception was a correspondent with Mitchell Langbert’s blog, and may have also tried to get Andy Martin’s attention — but then it all went underground.

  113. and make sure to read to commets under the “Rico Ricardo”:–

  114. JeffM…………………………………………..
    Do you or anyone on the blog know if the FED re-issues a SS number after it is vacated by the death of a person? In my own way of thinking I believe that re issuance of a once used SS number could lead to a lot of computer misidentity problems. We need to know the date that the person who the number was issued to died. He /she would have paid in to the system for 19 years by the time he/she was 65 years of age,in 1955. In 1961 when Soetoro was allegedly born the SS recipient would be 71. If Soetoro recieved a SS number on his 18th birthday, it would have occurred in 1979.,and the owner of the number would be 89 years of age. Possibly deceased prior to reissue to Soetoro. Doubtful, very doubtful. That is why I would like to know when the number was vacated by the death of the recipient.

  115. Linda from NY

    Jack: What do you mean Dr. Taitz has filed a RICO? Please explain. Thanks.

  116. Jack

    That’s what I thought too, John Charlton say it’s for the stupid court made up standing crap.

    Standing = I don’t want the case.

  117. Jack,
    Can you put the Rico Ricardo in simple
    words to understand what it means? Thanks, Maddie.

  118. sandy // October 11, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Hey Sandy,


  119. Bob,
    I just read your explanation. Thank you!

  120. Linda –
    Not silly poems at all. I am keeping a rather odd journal of these times we are living in. I have included your poems, re-do’s journal pieces, and CNN’s battle poem, along with my own. I hope no one minds- it is just a personal journal I will give to my boys in the future. I want them to know the truth (in case history is rewritten).

    In a way that is why the “Villan” thing bugs me. They are not teaching history, but using it for their own means.

  121. Army… That is full of … it needs to be investigated. How does one get a job to look into all the crime in politics??? I can pass any test to get that job. We need a new organization, The Whistle Blowers Foundation…Someone start one up…I would love to get the scum away from government….

  122. From Lead Plaintiff Pamela Barnett to Gary Kreep, Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson

    Please drop out of our case now…
    Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:14 PM

  123. The campaign to oust Gary Kreep, for whatever reasons, good or bad, is not at all helpful!

    The case of Lead Plaintiff Pamela Barnett will disappear in an instant, if the case of Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson is severed from it.

    Enough said!

  124. Anyone like to bet on how long it takes Donofrio to post on his blog, some reason why Orlys new RICO case won’t get anywhere?

    10, 9, 8, 7 … countdown

  125. Sandy,

    Just got Neoplex and Amazon. No ‘live chat’ person at Neoplex, so I left ’em a helluva message.

    I feel like the Sheriff ‘arresting’ these people :).

  126. Bob,

    thank you for the explanation. Much appreciated.

  127. The South,


  128. Just filed two complaints at eBay , Soetoro mug shot and Indian graphic.

  129. I hope a lot more people will send messages Sue. This is a disgrace. This man wouldn’t even wear a flag on his lapel or place his hand over his heart during the anthem and now he IS the flag?


  130. Linda from NY

    Prairie: What a wonderful idea! I am honored you included my silly stuff in your journal. Nice way to keep your guys informed of what really happened. Who knows what they will write in future American History books? Sad…just sad!

  131. Maddie-

    Thank you for taking on ebay. I’ll repost why we are doing this:

    This is very important. If we allow this to continue, it could very easily get out of control. We HAVE to contact ebay & report this as being illegal.

  132. Linda from NY

    Bob: Thanks from me, too, for explaining what is happening. I went to the “oil” website and read the complaint. Sure hope this gets him where it hurts. Who cares where he was born? He’s a crook!

  133. aristotlethehun

    Gary Kreep is an experienced, feet on the ground, sharp cookie of an attorney.

    The plaintifs, the case and the cause would be better served by Gary having a lrager part.

    Gary’s plan to bring indictments for election fraud, fundraising fraud, and voter fraud in all 50 states is something I strongly support.

    I communicate with Gary regularly and there is news just around the corner about the all 50 state indictments.

    Gary is aware of this plan. I have made my first move to facilitate the establishment of a conventionally convened Grand Jury in this overwhelmingly Republican county. If I play my cards right, we will have the support of the Sheriff, the Clerk of Court, the Prosecutor, and most of the citizens. Now all we need is a judge.

    The evidence being presented will be to indict for election fraud. Obama and leaders in the local Democratic Party will be indicted as co-conspirators for fraudulently placing AKA Obama’s name on the ballot.

    It isn’t a secret. They know it is coming.


  134. I am astonished that my own family is calling me crazy because I am denouncing the unions & upholding our flag. I do not know what to do. They are in denial-they do not want to hear it because it is uncomfortable. But it really bothers me that I cannot teach my grandson the truth. His school is teaching him stuff that I do not agree with. I suppose it is difficult for him to discern what is true & what is not. Am I to accept the fact that they all think I am nuts?

  135. sandy // October 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Disgraceful is right, Sandy.

    But ya know when you think about it, Communists would do that type of thing.

    Keep on hammering….

  136. GREENVILLE, SC – SHORT NOTICE ALERT – Lyndsey Graham’s Town Hall Meeting Mon Oct 12 Furman University
    Posted October 11th, 2009 by nmlifestyles


  137. There are more US flag with Obama’s face
    on Ebay:

    American Flag with Obama on it belt buckle

    4 separate listings for “matted proposed
    flag”—-again our flag with his face on it

    bottle opener—flag and face again

    American Flag bumper sticker with bo’s
    face on it

    All of these on Ebay now. If you do a simple
    search Obama + American flag you will
    see them.

  138. oldsalt77 // October 11, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Was there any mention of the age of the person who was born in 1890, when he/she signed up for Social Security. The birthdate of 1890 tells me that he/she wouldn’t have started drawing benefits until 1955. If soneone was drawing benefits say until 1975, then there is a strong probability that the number would either not be reissued with only a small time lapse, or the number will never be reissued. I do not know Social Security protocol regarding the issuance, or reissuance of SS numbers, but I would bet that the number would NEVER be reissued. To that end I would suspect there is a BIG problem regarding his SS.
    Hi OldSalt,

    No mention of the age when the person signed up, or was automatically signed up for SS in fact, I don’t believe we even have a name at this point, just a birth year and location (CT).

    But, don’t forget that Gramma Dunham had access to records such as SS#s in the course of her employment. It’s my guess that she ‘procured’ that number for Barky, among other numbers. According to Orly, he used may SS#s. When the original number holder died, Barky picked it up via Gramma.

    Just a theory. Wish I knew more about SS protocols, too.

  139. Okay, here’s a question for the Legal Beagles here at Citizen Wells Blog:

    Does this new case of Orlys have any teeth?

    Has she just side stepped around the standing issue?

    What do you expect to come out of this?

  140. SueK—Go get ‘um Shotgun Susie:)

  141. maddie // October 11, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    Hi Maddie,

    I saw all that crap, too.

    The reference that Jeff posted at 4:52PM applies to *American flags* only.

    The rest of that stuff, while nauseating, is apparently OK. It’s the flag!!!

  142. Thanks cq! Parents are 20 minutes away……

    I’ll let them know now as they are indeed good Patriots!

  143. Just another complaint with ebay re: our flag.
    Everyone here should do it.

  144. Standing IS the issue because certainly Judge Carter knows that “natural born citizen” requires two citizen parents; that is, the merits of the case are SLAM DUNK against Obama.

    Moreover, once there is even discovery allowed, in all likelihood, that’s it — it’s all over for BHO — you’ll probably never even see a trial (he’ll be out of office before then).

  145. This is such a disgrace upon us. If we don’t condemn it, it will be flying everywhere.

  146. Wow, you all have been busy. Glad to see the action taken against desecrating the flag. I often wondered how Bill Ayers got away with stepping on the flag during the photo shoot for the Chicago Mag article.

  147. The Federal Courts Are Committing Treason to the Constitution per Chief Justice John Marshall:

    It is worth keeping in mind the words of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall when he wrote in Cohens v. Virginia 19 US 264 (1821):

    “It is most true that this Court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should. The judiciary cannot, as the legislature may, avoid a measure because it approaches the confines of the constitution. We cannot pass it by because it is doubtful. With whatever doubts, with whatever difficulties, a case may be attended, we must decide it, if it be brought before us. We have no more right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not given. The one or the other would be treason to the constitution. Questions may occur which we would gladly avoid; but we cannot avoid them. All we can do is, to exercise our best judgment, and conscientiously to perform our duty. In doing this, on the present occasion, we find this tribunal invested with appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the constitution and laws of the United States. We find no exception to this grant, and we cannot insert one.”


    M Publius Goat

  148. Maddie-

    Yes, you are right about all the b.o. items. We have nto stop them. Although we can’t stop things lick belt buckles, etc., I believe we can stop his face on our beloved flag.

  149. Sorry for typos – you guys know what I mean.

  150. Did any of you know about this?

    Date / Time: 10/11/2009 3:01 PM
    Obama Declares War on Free Speech

    The Obama Administration has now actually co-sponsored an anti-free speech resolution at the United Nations. Approved by the U.N. Human Rights Council last Friday, the resolution, cosponsored by the U.S. and Egypt, calls on states to condemn and criminalize “any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence.”

    Last year the Secretary General of the OIC chief Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu issued a warning: “We sent a clear message to the West regarding the red lines that should not be crossed” regarding free speech about Islam and terrorism. And he reported success: “The official West and its public opinion are all now well-aware of the sensitivities of these issues. They have also started to look seriously into the question of freedom of expression from the perspective of its inherent responsibility, which should not be overlooked.”

    For the first time, an American President has bowed to the OIC’s demands and taken cognizance of that “responsibility” — after years in which George W. Bush resisted such initiatives at the UN.

    Full Story here:

    It may explain the recent “O” appointee, Miss Mogahed, to the President’s Council on Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships.

  151. Aside from desecrating the flag- how about the office of the President. I mentioned it before and keep seeing this- Barry doing a promo commercial for the new George Lopez sitcom. It’s the ShamWow President!

  152. Nancy—you are right on. I understand what
    you are facing, my situation is somewhat similar.
    My husband fortunately is completely behind
    getting rid of the Fraud. My parents who are
    elderly are confused with what they hear–it’s a big blur to them as you can guess.

  153. The South

    My opinion , yes , all the cases filed have teeth. If one case gets though , we could possibly have our day in court by 2025 . I’m just hoping it doesn’t take any longer then 15 years……

  154. Prairie—you are so right. His behavior is a
    disgrace to the office.

  155. ArmyDav—are you just kidding about the
    15 years!!!??? I hope so.

  156. Nancy—I wondered about that—the belt buckle and the bumper sticker—darn, but we can report the others with the actual American flag.
    Thanks, Nancy.

  157. Maddie-

    My parents are both deceased. My Mom had Alzheimers & my Dad died in 1984. But, I KNOW what they would both think about what is going on nowadays. It would not be positive.

  158. Gotta go for awhile-grandson has to use computer.

  159. Thanks, SueK, just saw your postings–I
    got it now—only the flags. Thanks again:):)

  160. Nancy—See ‘ya later. I bet your parents
    are watching from above, happy to see you
    bravely fighting for our freedoms and our
    country. Take care.

  161. oldsalt77 // October 11, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    999 99 9999 is the number before 1 billion……there will never be a need to duplicate numbers until the population reaches 999,999,999

    NIne hundred ninety nine million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred ninety-nine…right??

  162. Linda from NY // October 11, 2009 at 5:34 pm


    Leo’s Plight…


    Such a great tribute to Leo. You are so gifted.

    We can’t forget him and his family.

  163. Sidenote-
    3″ more of the white stuff and still coming down.

  164. maddie
    ArmyDav—are you just kidding about the
    15 years!!!??? I hope so

    No maddie, I was just being hopeful that it would only take 15 years,,,,,,

    I’ve been waiting to see Bush’s Honorable Discharge for 25 years….

    Been waiting to see John Kerry’s General Court Marshall and dishonorable discharge papers for over 25 years.

  165. I was 1/2 listening to a show that came on tv. “Face the Nation” I realized they were talking about fraud and voter issues in election.
    The commentator asked the guest ( some senator ) do you think we ( the USA ) can trust a leadership with those issues?

    I then realized they were talking about Carzide (sp) I think he’s in Iraq or afgan.

    Interesting to see they have trouble dealing with fraud abroad but not in their own backyard.
    just plain – crazy.

  166. The Obama Administration has now actually co-sponsored an anti-free speech resolution at the United Nations. hostility or violence.” Link posted above.

    I have a feeling this may have something to do with why we are not using the verbiage “war on terrorism” any longer.

  167. Bob // October 11, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    namely, a lot of real estate buys and sells, and under a lot of different I.D’s………

    think Hillary, law firm in Arkansas……..

  168. All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

    Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.


  169. JJ–bet Hillary didn’t have 16+ different SS#s!

  170. There’s another aspect of RICO which has bearing here. Under RICO, Obama could be convicted and removed (or cop a plea) from office without ever having to get to the Consitutional eligibility issue. That is, once he’s out, his eligibility issue could then be found moot by the Court.

    This avoids all the myriad nationally debillitating (actaully paralyizing) problems of going back and voiding all actions, laws, exeutive orders, legislation, etc. under an inelligible President.

    Along these lines, at the very least Congress must stop taking any further action until this is sorted out. For instance, ‘Healthcare’ Reform (a/k/a Healthcare Nationalization) passed under an inelligibile President would be

  171. aristotlethehun // October 11, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    You warned me this morning……..I’m warning you now……..may God be your landmark and angels your wheels..stay safe.

  172. Linda from NY

    Just Me: Glad you liked the poem. Sometimes, I read the posts and the “back and forth” discussion and feel helpless to engage so I summarize what I think happened in that day’s post to keep it in my mind and maybe, yours, too. Of course, an “open thread” would be near impossible to summarize, but I could try…it would just take longer. Some of these threads have as many as 400 posts! LOL

    Gifted? Nah! Just taking what the good Lord gave me and trying to use it for the benefit of all.
    But, thanks for the “thumbs up.”

    Bless you…Linda

  173. AristotleTheHun,


    I don’t think you have to have an actual paypal account to donate via the Internet. It gives you the option to use it, or you simply use a credit card of your choice. Can you verify this?

  174. @ Prairie // October 11, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    I have a “C” Band satellite dish and included in my package is a subscription to the “Chiller ” channel……….several times each day there is an almost 5 minute “infomercial” peddling “Debt Control” of some sort…. the part I have a big problem with is there are included several clips about 30 seconds or more of Ovomit making campaign speeches about the “economy”….. it’s bad enough we are subject to his “kisser” just about every time we turn the TV on… not in the commercials too!!!!

    OT here…. I live about 30 miles south of Savannah GA and right now at 8:30 pm, the weather is: temp 76Deg. and humidity 87%…. more like August rather than October…

    Sometimes snow ain’t half bad………


  175. maddie // October 11, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Nope, I guess in the drug selling/dealing transactions of money laundering through her law firm they got around that??

    Law firms I’m sure have a way……possible selecting munbers of the dead??

  176. Nancy-but Nancy somebody could take a Cuban flag, or a flag of Venezuela put the Obama Joker face on it. You would get some attention then. 3 P O’d dictators, IMHO.

  177. Nancy-with copy -Ctrl C and paste Ctrl V you get better at it the more you do it. It’s highlight control C copy, insert where you want Control V paste. Don’t forget Control F-Find-you will get a little box usually left side of your screen-just type in words you remember-it will locate for you. Everyone can be a little klutzy at first, the more you use it the better you get.

  178. Just cut / copied this comment from Atlas Shrugs.. with her permission:

    Ovomit’s gaining the “Noballz” prize is likened to Emperor Nero:


  179. JJ-hopefully we shall find out why BO has
    had all these SS#s and real estate dealings.
    I would like, however, to have everything he
    has “done,” removed, but that may not happen
    according to up post above.

  180. On the subj. of money laundering and drug
    sales, I’m vaguely remembering rambling of
    MO and her brother involved in drug sales—Is this
    correct or no?

  181. Army DAV—thanks for the clarification.
    I was hoping for Orly’s “discovery” and
    bingo—he’s OUT and off to the Big House!

  182. RichardL,
    The boys are all out having snowball fights and making forts.

    From Orly’s Sioux Falls visit: Aside from the many SS#’s, BO and MO had numerous (like dozens) of job listings. It is Orly’s theory that these “jobs” were a way to hide the campaign donations, since compensation for a job can be any amount. Several of these jobs were listed with media souces- big ones like NBC and CNN.

  183. Linda from NY-I always loved History classes. Something important also in history is context. Trying to impose say our way of life today against ancient Egypt would make no sense at all. Also the people who lived at any moment in history thought they were modern. That is just the way of the world. I’m part French, and Austro-Hungarian-I think so much of history is events did not have to happen. The French Revolution did not need to happen had the First and Second Estates given up something and paid some taxes. They kept dumping on the Third Estate until they couldn’t take it anymore. Once a revolution starts, control goes out the window. The Reign of Terror must have been horrible and many innocents were killed along with the truly guilty. Those on the top in government must love the status quo, think they are impervious to law, have this notion about not listening to the people until it is past too late.

  184. Nancy -just google up Teamsters Jimmy Hoffa, unions were very important in the 30’s but now with competition most companies have what those workers struck/bargained for. I worked for a company for 12 years in Illinois-the shop was union, the office not. We received the same benefits as the union people who paid dues did. The people who worked in our facility had no vote in the bigger council that they were umbrellaed under. Lets see if I can remember the name United Aerospace and Agricultural Workers. Over the years they felt they could not compete, company moved, everybody lost their jobs. If the Unions are trying to sell job security that would be a great big lie. Our people were very happy with their jobs and pay, the Union would not listen to them. The Union just kept demanding more and more-the Union killed those jobs.

  185. The Obama Administration has now actually co-sponsored an anti-free speech resolution at the United Nations.

    The resolution has no effect in law but provides Muslim countries with moral ammunition the next time they feel central tenets of Islam are being ridiculed by Western politicians or media through “negative racial and religious stereotyping.”

    American diplomats say the measure — co-sponsored by Egypt — is part of the Obama administration’s effort to reach out to Muslim countries.

    Full Article:

  186. maddie

    Hey , I’m with you maddie , hope ,pray and battle on.

  187. Linda from NY

    Great round-up of what people thought of the pp winning the Nobel Peace Prize: enjoy…

  188. Margie The Whistle Blowers Foundation-I agree anonymous reports to be investigated. Could have a numbering system from 1 thru 10. 10 being the highest to be investigated ASAP, but not to be used as a government complaint department. I think a lot of crime, white collar Bernie Madoff, blue collar, hi-jacking material from railroad cars could be nipped in the bud. Saving all citizens lots of $$$$’Ss. Apolitical in nature, citizens could volunteer or it could be a paying job. Their could be a reward system put in place also. Govt’ gets 90 per cent, reward 10 per cent of value saved. Not my idea it’s called the Lincoln Law due to abuses during the Civil War.

  189. Linda from NY

    Oops…Chavez not happy…

    Chavez: Obama Didn’t Deserve Peace Prize

  190. Linda from NY-all of it with Obama is important. He is the head of the snake, we want all that slither out from that rock and it ain’t Plymouth , that were involved with this high jacking of our Constitution to meet justice. All of it will fit together, most of the pieces are put in place.
    Think of how different we are from not such a long time ago 9/11/01 – 8 years and they are trying to forget the lessons of that day. Two things we have learned yes, America can be and was attacked, yes, in all our history of never having a usurper (honor) well we have one now. Both a first in American history. Well they said it was going to be Historic, the one thing they didn’t lie about.

  191. Linda from NY

    Michelle: Gee…if we could collect what is owed to us via fraud investigations and penalties with no “get out of jail free cards,” then maybe, we could pay down the national debt! What do you think?

  192. Linda from NY

    Michelle: Not much different from 9-11-01; we are coming together as a nation to fight this “infestation” and “corruption.” IMHO

    Cannot wait until the US Marshals haul their sorry a**** out of our WH and Congress-Critters are taken out with them.

  193. Nancy -No, you are not crazy, don’t even think that. So they want to play tough. Well you can to. Here is how you can get your grandson to respect you in one week. Nancy, your going on strike. For one week, you do no housework, no cooking, no cleaning, no nothing. If your husband is behaving then he can have supper, but don’t let your grandson treat you like a doormat. It is your house and you make the rules and your opinion is valuable, he doesn’t have to agree with it, but he does need to respect it. The teachers may have a vested interest in the union thing, since they probably are union. Mizner Park here had a lot of Teacher Pension Money in it, but if I remember correctly they took a bath. Maybe that is what this suddenly union stuff is all about, trying to recapture the monies that were lost in the meltdown or Madoff, or other crooks.

  194. Duh why didn’t I go here sooner. Obama ss# definetly illegit.
    Q20: Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?

    A: No. We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder’s death. Even though we have issued over 415 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.

  195. Michelle // October 11, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Hi Michelle,

    Well, it looks like maybe Gramma Mad Madelyn Dunham may have had her fingers in this one…

  196. CW, I check in with you everyday. Please know that you are very important in keeping interested , ordinary people informed about so many things that are being kept under wraps. I know there are many other blogs out there, but yours has a special quality to it. Keep up the good work, CW. It is very much appreciated.

  197. Michelle: Sooooo…then is it identity theft of a dead person if the number is recycled?

  198. Muslim Congressman Ellison’s trip to Mecca cost $13,350 — paid for by the Muslim Brotherhood

    What does that have to do with Congressman Ellison? Everything. The Muslim American Society paid for his Hajj. And what is the Muslim American Society? The Muslim Brotherhood.


    “In recent years, the U.S. Brotherhood operated under the name Muslim American Society, according to documents and interviews. One of the nation’s major Islamic groups, it was incorporated in Illinois in 1993 after a contentious debate among Brotherhood members.” — Chicago Tribune, 2004.

    Story here:—-paid-for-by-the-muslim-brotherhood.html

    The Muslim Brotherhood “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” — “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America,” by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.

  199. Michelle,
    Thanks for answering the questions on the
    issuance of SS#s.

  200. I think Obama could be directly tied into this
    American jihad.

  201. Glendon honored as ’heroine of the Notre Dame commencement tragedy’

  202. Linda from NY-Yes, I think we could put a huge dent in the national debt. The Obama’s maybe small fry in this. With RICO–ts all the players and it all gets siezed, like Madoff’s stuff that is getting sold. Think of RICO as a legal remedy that works, but it was supposed to deter people like the Obama Crime Family a/k/a La Cosa Nostra. Obama’s trips to Pakistan when he made them, I bet it was all about drugs or drug deals. I wonder how close he is/was with enemies of the United States???? I love your poetry by the way.

  203. All organizations that seek to overthrow the American govt. and by extension Western Civilization need to be banned.If Michael savage can wake up one day and discover he is banned from Britain because they need a Jew to balance their blacklist filled with murderers and terrorists than we need to institute bans on those who want to extinguish us uhhhhh…that appears to be occurring in the executive branch and the state dept who can’t bring in jihadis fast enough.
    speaking of Jihad…I read that NJ governors race might veer to the right…PRAY! Also VA. looks like RIGHT-WING MIGHT! YES!!!

  204. Im sure many of you are like me and one of the first things you do in the morning is head here and check out the new post. Along with seeing the new posts, I’m also always checking out the blog roll rss feed and watching them grow, or shrink sometimes. In one of my past …but all in all excellent site. Keep it up!

  205. It becomes evident, after the recent passage of the UN resolution, this paves the way for Shariah Law to take a “toehold” in the U.S.

    I realize this is antithetical to what many of us are used to, but looks like we are “deep into it” now.

    As news reports trickle in indicating that the overwhelming majority of American Muslims voted for Barack Obama, the Wahhabi/Muslim Brotherhood-dominated Muslim establishment can barely conceal its glee at the prospect of the Obama presidency opening vast new opportunities for radical Islam in America. Whether such hopes are realistic or not remains to be seen

    Consider this – Treasury Dept Seminar held in Nov of 2008. “ISLAMIC FINANCE 101”

    The event in question was a Treasury Department seminar held last week (11/04/08) entitled “Islamic Finance 101.” The advertised purpose of the closed meeting was to provide Treasury regulators with objective information on Islamic Finance, a rapidly growing sector also known as Sharia-Compliant Finance (SCF). In reality, the seminar was little more than a government-sponsored promotion of the subversive Islamist agenda carried out under the Sharia Finance guise.

    Full article here:

  206. maddie, @ 10:10

    YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! The more I read the more this becomes evident.

  207. Magna Carta, @10:18

    Only difference is they are already on our soil.

  208. If you are too weak to print my comments then don’t…other people print them, and my comments are truthful.

    We are living in dangerous times. I am a Christian Constitutional Patriot pacifist watching my country be taken over by lawlessness and criminals who simply won’t obey the USA laws and the USA Constitution.

    WE MUST EXPOSE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT Obama who is a very evil unrepentant sinner to GOD before Obama has the time to destroy America & many billions on earth in other nations. Please understand this is why I am writing to you. To help Expose Obama & his agenda and Obama’s daily unrepentant crimes and sins against GOD and humanity.

  209. Linda from NY
    Laura Ingraham Flips Out Over Obama’s Nobel Prize Win

  210. Linda from NY-SueK-ok Nancy Drews-yes most definitely social security theft, and that is just one of the many ss#’s both Obamas. Are they going for a Guinness Book of World Records?

  211. Are the obamas just using the numbers or are they collecting any of the SS money? Could many of the addresses be used to collect SS checks?

  212. Isn’t it interesting how life presents us with situations that nudge us out of our comfort zones and force us to “play up a level” – common practice in athletics.

    That is what is CW’s website and all that post here are all about – playing up a level.

  213. Michelle,

    I LOVED Laura’s response to Bill “O’Really.” She didn’t cut him any slack.

  214. Michelle
    Thanks for checking that out.I was wondering about that.So Orly really does have the goods?

  215. CVS, WALGREEN Have Flu-Jab Shortages as Demand Surges…

    When Bush was president there was a shortage of flu vaccine a couple years ago and the left blamed Bush for it.
    I say this Swine flu vaccine shortage is Obama’s fault he knew since January that we needed this vaccine the vaccine has been around since the 1970’s

  216. Michelle–No, the O’s are going for the
    Guinness Book of World Records Time
    behind BARS!

  217. Mr Clean // October 11, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    I’m glad I didn’t take it then and I sure as HE– won’t take it now.

  218. Prairie—good question—I’ll bet that SS
    money is going somewhere that benefits

  219. Mr. Clean has GOT to be a paid blogger – or he lives under a darn rock. Bound to be a paid with OUR tax dollars. I can think of better things to do with our tax dollars.

  220. Mr Clean // October 11, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    Hi Mr. Clean,

    I think we need to differentiate the H1N1 (swine) vaccine from the seasonal flu vaccine.

    There are currently shortages of the seasonal vaccine, because the manufacturers have been concentrating on getting the H1N1 vaccine out quickly.

    This particular H1N1 vaccine is brand new because this is a flu combo that’s not been seen before. The last ‘swine flu vaccine’ was in 1976 for a ‘pandemic’ that never materialized; it caused a multitude of problems for some who took it (Guillain Barre syndrome).

    Although the manufacturers are creating this H1N1 vaccine the same way they create the seasonal flu vaccine (chix eggs) this is a brand new vaccine; it’s never been properly tested, and it’s potentially unsafe!

  221. JustMe // October 11, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Hi JustMe,

    Just clarified above :).

  222. The following is from OrlyTaitzEsq website:

    “Taitz makes a move to nail the Standing Issue
    Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:32 PM
    “William M Lolli”


    As I had indicated in some previous emails, it is taking some time for
    me to condense my thoughts on the October 5th hearing.

    Part of my concerns has been the manner in which Carter repeatedly
    returned to his hypothetical arguments and requesting more specifics
    regarding the issue of standing and specific harm, from Taitz and Kreep.

    Attached is an outstanding filing by Taitz asserting more substance
    behind the specific harm requirements. I hope this filing makes the
    issues more clear to Judge Carter and adds more weight to the
    Taitz/Kreep arguments against the government’s Motion to Dismiss.

    Basically Taitz is citing law that public sector fraud is sufficient
    grounds to fulfill the standing and harm requirements– even further,
    that the specifics of individual damages are not required under statute.

    Carter will no doubt allow the government to respond, and I wonder what
    their response will be. Will the government actually argue that it is
    okay to commit crimes so long as they are committed by those in high
    office? Stranger things have happened.

    Outstanding work on the part of Taitz.”

  223. Sue K,

    I knew you’d “wipe” Mr Clean out.

  224. Our government supports Islamic financing. Is it being done under cover of all this other money boondoggle so that the American people don’t know what is going on?


    Full article here:

  225. You know I was thinking about the Us flag defacing mess and then checking out the Brooks interview and another lady also was uncomfortable with this Nobel prize. She was saying stuff along the lines of whats next for him…chuckling…
    You know if there is any flag that boils my blood its the UN flag. These folks just want the americans on their knees so bad.Obama wants to be king of the universe and so many foolswant to grease the tracks for him. Therefore,the perfect forging of the two issues would be to get Obama’s face on the U.N. flag.That entire organ could use some defacing.We could wave those flags high in front of courthouses across America letting everyone know he is so big and special we really don’t think America is big enough for him.Let’s hand him over with a one way ticker to the U.N. and wave our UN/Obama flags as it taxis down the runway.

  226. Off subj:

    Anyway to get a family member’s SSN, credit, credit card debt information off the internet, legally?

    A site to pay for the information?

  227. Magna Carta

    You know if there is any flag that boils my blood its the UN flag.

    Mine, too, Magna. Interesting how the same name(s) come up again and again that makes my blood boil…like the Rockefellers…

  228. Just wanted to drop you a line to say, I enjoy reading your site. I thought about starting a blog myself but don’t have the time.
    Oh well maybe one day…. 🙂

  229. Michelle: Laura put O’Really in line! He is so full of it! He needs to “stifle it!” What a woos! What a paid hack! She laid him out in Lavender! Good for her! She should take him out back, work him over, and straighten him right out…but he is so far out in left field he couldn’t catch a ball if it had a light on it! Guess they got to him! He sounds like he is trying to convince himself what he is saying it true. Black is white; left is right; they are all beginning to sound the same!

    Sue K: Good job “Spic ‘N Spanning” Mr. Clean! He doesn’t know in what he stepped. Fools and bots should know better than to come here with their drivel. We deal in facts not fiction here!
    You rock, Sue K! Thanks for the giggle!

  230. Hey I am so excited about this story.Our hero is Klaus of the Czech Republic.He blasts global hoaxing bigtime wrote a book.Escaped communism and is well aware of the EU power grab.Its just like what we are fighting here in the USA domestic front. Anyway they rammed through the Lisbon Treaty in Brussels without many member-state populations being able to vote for a referendum except Ireland who gave good fight and blocked this process. In the Lisbon Treaty is a Human Rights Charter that in terms of our Constitution is total Lucifer.Anyway they (Brussels power stealers) were so happy because they finally got ireland roped in on this Lisbon (sovereignty-killer) Treaty but GUESS WHAT…..Klaus of Czech Republic and President of the EU is well shall we say not so excited about signing this document….

  231. Prarie-maddie-Orly had her private investigator look this up eons ago. If I remember correctly it was to hide the money coming in from overseas for the campaign, but they could have been doing other things with the ss#’s also. Looks like Social Security will have all their records subpoenaed. It’s kind of sorta why we keep records in this country Obama.

  232. Magna, Yes, Klaus is a hero! I was so upset to find out the Irish caved, after standing strong for so long. I can’t help but suspect voter fraud. Oh…imagine that.

  233. Get a load of this one folks….found at…..

    HR2647, the national defense budget, was originally passed by the US
    House of Representaatives without hate crimes legislation, but a
    version was passed on Thursday that extends the definition of federal
    hate crimes to include crimes motivated by gender, sexual orientation,
    gender identity, or disability.

    Further, it gives the Attorney General, currently Eric H. Holder, Jr.,
    power to decide if a group is “associated with hate-related violence
    against groups or persons or the United States Government”.

    Here’s how the bill defines a hate group:

    (2) DEFINITION OF HATE GROUP.—In this subsection, the terms ‘group
    associated with hate-related violence’ or ‘hate group’ mean the
    following:(A) Groups or organizations that espouse or engage in acts
    of violence against other groups or minorities based on ideals of
    hate, ethnic supremacies, white supremacies, racism, anti-Semitism,
    xenophobia, or other bigotry ideologies.

    Further, it says:

    (G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney
    General to be of a violent, extremist nature.

    What about Tea Partiers?

    Well, the legislation continues as follows:

    following shall constitute evidence that a person is associated or
    affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence:(A)
    Individuals possessing tattoos or other body markings indicating
    association or affiliation with a hate group.(B)individuals known to
    have attended meetings, rallies, conferences, or other activities
    sponsored by a hate group.(C) Individuals known to be involved in
    online activities with a hate group, including being engaged in online
    discussion groups or blog or other postings that support, encourage,
    or affirm the group’s extremist or violent views and goals.(D)
    Individuals who are known to have in their possession photographs,
    written testimonials (including diaries or journals), propaganda, or
    other materials indicating involvement or affiliation with a hate
    group. Such materials can include photographs, written materials
    relating to or referring to extreme hatred that are clearly not of an
    academic nature, possession of objects that venerate or glorify
    hateinspired violence, and related materials, as determined by the
    Attorney General.

    Remember, this is the same Eric Holder who is stonewalling an
    investigation into why he dismissed voter intimidation charges against
    Black Panthers carrying nightsticks outside polling places?

  234. I’m glad they named the Tea Party group Tea Party which is a homage to the original Boston Tea Party – the beginnings of our nation insuring freedom of speech.
    Yes, Mr. Holder what about the Black Panthers at the polling places. It looks like he needs to see the video We Will not be Silenced to prosecute not only the DNC voter fraud with threats and intimidation, but he could prosecute ACORN in all 50 states for voter fraud. Mr. Holder will busy for the next 90 years on that alone.

  235. JS,

    Sounds like the MIAC report out of Missouri a few months back. Guess Alex Jones wasn’t too far off in his reporting.

    Our brains aren’t programmed to “go there.” But…looks like some re-programming is in order under this administration.

  236. Holder is a THUG and just and extension of the FRAUD in our house….he needs to be removed as well….he is an obstructionist of justice!!! It wouldn’t surprise me if he has a hand in the arrest of Leo the Lawyer as well as the past arrest of Larry Sinclair!!!


    “high crimes and misdemeanors” does not refer to a criminal act (as some would lead you to believe) and our Founding Fathers fully intended to allow for the removal of the President for actions which were… well… simply put… egregious… grossly incompetence… grossly negligence… outright distasteful… or, in the case of Barack Hussein Obama, actions which clearly show “malevolence toward this country, which is unabated.”

  238. JS,

    wouldn’t surprise me either. The more I research, the more I see how DEEP the waters are where Leo was treading.

    We need to seriously come to grips with the transformation going on in this country. Looking at the BIG picture it’s obvious, but looking at it in small increments, we tend to pass it off as. Your post clearly indicates the reality of what we are facing. Aristotle The Hun’s post on the demise of the Jews, the other thread should hang in all of our houses as a reminder of our strength.

  239. JS,

    sorry, my eyes are crossing and I have some typos in previous thread. Hopefully you and others will get what I’m saying.

  240. Don’t know if this has already been posted. Rev Manning calling on Clarence Thomas to step down and take on the case:

  241. JustMe // October 11, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    Linda from NY // October 11, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Good Early Morning, JustMe and Linda,

    Yup, wiping and spic ‘n spanning…just two more services I offer 😉

  242. Signing off.

  243. #

    JustMe // October 12, 2009 at 12:42 am


    wouldn’t surprise me either. The more I research, the more I see how DEEP the waters are where Leo was treading.

    We need to seriously come to grips with the transformation going on in this country. Looking at the BIG picture it’s obvious, but looking at it in small increments, we tend to pass it off as. Your post clearly indicates the reality of what we are facing. Aristotle The Hun’s post on the demise of the Jews, the other thread should hang in all of our houses as a reminder of our strength.

    I think this is what Glenn Beck is pointing out day in and day out…..rise up America and take your country back before it is too late!!!

  244. Jacqlyn Smith

    Val // October 12, 2009 at 12:45 am

    Don’t know if this has already been posted. Rev Manning calling on Clarence Thomas to step down and take on the case:

    Val…I love Rev. Manning…..he always tells it like it is….can’t we make him the “Truth Czar”???? 🙂

  245. One last post….Argentina’s Senate approved a government-backed bill that puts new limits on television and radio ownership. SOUND FAMILIAR?

    Here is a great video of a documentary of the downfall of Argentina. If you haven’t seen it, I encourage you to watch it. It’s eerily similar to what is going on in this country.

    Documentary on the events that led to the economic collapse of Argentina in 2001 which wiped out the middle class and raised the level of poverty to 57.5%. Central to the collapse was the implementation of neo-liberal policies which enabled the swindle of billions of dollars by foreign banks and corporations. Many of Argentina’s assets and resources were shamefully plundered. Its financial system was even used for money laundering by Citibank, Credit Suisse, and JP Morgan. The net result was massive wealth transfers and the impoverishment of society which culminated in many deaths due to oppression and malnutrition.


  246. One clarification on Rev. Manning’s video should be that even if Obama IS a US citizen (and even if born in Hawaii and never became an Indonesian citizen), that does NOT make him an Art 2 “natural born citizen”, which is the Constitutionally unique requirement to be President since both of Obama’s parents were NOT US citizens when Obama was born.

    In other words, Obama may or may not be a US citizen (as under the 14th Amendment), but under NO circumstance can he be a “natural born citizen” under Const. Art. 2.

  247. Jacqlyn Smith

    Just watch the local news and they gave time to the gays marching on Washington today but never did address the tea party on 9/12 that drew over a million people….what a joke!

  248. Jacqlyn Smith


    Jack // October 12, 2009 at 2:09 am

    One clarification on Rev. Manning’s video should be that even if Obama IS a US citizen (and even if born in Hawaii and never became an Indonesian citizen), that does NOT make him an Art 2 “natural born citizen”, which is the Constitutionally unique requirement to be President since both of Obama’s parents were NOT US citizens when Obama was born.

    In other words, Obama may or may not be a US citizen (as under the 14th Amendment), but under NO circumstance can he be a “natural born citizen” under Const. Art. 2.

    I agree Jack….however Manning has his own style and the best thing is…..they can’t accuse him of being a racist!!

  249. Jacqlyn Smith

    For the whole story go to……..

    this is only the beginning of the story…..


    RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA, Ca., Oct. 6, 2009
    Orly Taitz: Lawyer, Dentist, Birther
    Washington Post: Despite a Full Workload, Taitz Will Not Be Deterred from Hobby of Challenging Obama’s Presidency

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    * Stories
    * Obama Birth Flap Reopens Older Controversy
    * Evidence Flies In Face of Birthers’ Claims

    From Our Partner:

    * The Monday Fix: Meg Whitman’s Focused Bid in California
    * Insurance Group Says Health Bill Will Mean Higher Premiums
    * At March, Gay Rights Activists Push for Nationwide Equality
    * Obama Urged to Intensify Push for Climate Measure
    * Palin a ‘Formidable Force,’ McCain Says
    * U.S. and U.K. Say ‘Special Relationship’ Is Still Going Strong

    ( This story was written by Liza Mundy.
    The dental office of Orly Taitz, DDS, Esq., is in a low-slung complex in a quiet planned community in Orange County, alongside an assortment of small businesses and solo practitioners. The practice, Appealing Dentistry, is busy this morning. In the waiting room are a woman with no dental insurance and a boy with three cavities, and the phone is ringing off the hook with dentists eager to fill a job opening.

    “Crowns, bridges, veneers, root canals — you need to be able to do root canals and molars,” the receptionist is telling one caller. And now here is Taitz herself, a bit late, entering in a flurry of energy and apologies to consult with a colleague, then suggesting to a reporter that they go somewhere to chat. Despite many pressing concerns on the dentistry front, Taitz is eager to talk about her crusade to prove that the president of the United States is an impostor.

  250. Jacqlyn Smith

    Health Care Bill and more…..

  251. Linda from NY

    Open Thread…10/11/09

    Wow! How this blog has taken flight!
    Bet we could keep this up all night!
    Giggles galore; hey, give me some more;
    Of that good ‘ole Open Thread fight!

    From secretive mosques to ‘No Share Law’;
    From Habeas Corpus to RICO’s last straw;
    From Nobel No Peace Prize to multiple numbers;
    Whatever you want there’s much that encumbers.

    From Ayers in education to new legislation;
    From “standing” and “shifting” to new regulation;
    From incompetent judges to blatant new grudges;
    To arguments that befuddle the fool that drudges!

    From ACORN to Jarrett the Sly Slum Master;
    Could we get to more topics any faster?
    From school assignments promoting a Union;
    To School Czar talking unhealthy communion!

    From obscene flags to O paraphernalia;
    To pp and moo moo; we’re gonna nail ya;
    For using the number that retired in death;
    Those giddy with laughter; please take a breath!

    From reporting the sale of those obnoxious flags;
    They’re selling on E-Bay like cheap little rags;
    To rules for filing grievances through the courts;
    Carefully crafted to avoid case retorts!

    Let’s focus now on mail and wire fraud;
    Kudos to Orley whose praises we laud;
    To the toddler who died while riding his bike;
    A senseless death caused by the greedy alike!

    Anti-free speech at the UN of Nations?
    Man the lifeboats; make haste to your stations;
    Take up your positions; please stand your guard;
    We’re under attack from the pretend petard!

    What? A Muslim Brotherhood sponsored trip?
    By all means, on their dime, ‘Ell,’ give it a rip;
    We’re not gonna take it I tell you true;
    From anyone ever the likes of you!

    Well…that’s it folks the best I could do;
    To give you all a quick night review;
    I’ll sign off for now and get off to sleep;
    Tune in tomorrow to laugh, talk, and weep!


  252. Video: Barbara Boxer: RNC’s Michael Steele As Harsh As The Taliban On Obama’s Nobel Win

  253. Linda from NY

    Michelle: This one’s for you!

    Peace, Brother. But what about Chicago?

  254. Linda from NY


    Administration’s war on Fox News a ratings boom for network

  255. Now we know why Soetoro got the Nobel Prize, Democratic Socialists of America,Socialist International and SDS connection, they are all commies.

    Socialist International has member organizations from most countries, including one from the United States, Democratic Socialists of America, which touts its vision of what it calls an “alternative to capitalism.” Its newsletter, The Activist, is filled with articles that sing the praises of folks like Karl Marx and the late socialist radical Michael Harrington.

  256. Is this a message from Heaven? Notice the shape- a big “O”.

  257. You Decide

    Smart Strategy?

    Is the GOP pursing a smart strategy by linking Democrats to Speaker Pelosi?

  258. Jacqlyn Smith

    A message from Orly…..Please help if you can….I know we have many great researchers here….

    Help in research needed

    Posted on | October 12, 2009 | No Comments

    Please read carefully the dossier of Susan Daniels and dosier #1 with the report from Neil Sankey.(in archive on the right) By putting together the dossiers you will have enough info to do the search of this person, who was born in 1890, applied for his social between 1977-1979 in CT and whose social Obama used most of his life. We need to find out as much info about this person, as possible I am particularly interested about his years in the old age: where did he reside, how did he die?? Please send FOIA requests to SS administration, FBI, CIA, Dep of Jusitce, Atty Gen of CT, DAs in CT, who ever else you can think of. Send a copy to me to If you find abnything, call me 949-683-5411.

    Video please watch.Whats in regular flu shot!

  260. Help in research needed

    Posted on | October 12, 2009 |

    Please read carefully the dossier of Susan Daniels and dosier #1 with the report from Neil Sankey.(in archive on the right)

  261. **** New Open Thread ****

  262. My Quo Warranto demand is still alive before
    The key to understanding the Homosexual/Nobel/Obama issue is to be found at US State Department Publication 7277 of the early sixties. The Vatican is actively controlling Obama and pushing to dismantle our military as it did under Vatican II implimwettion of Fr. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin S.J. whose New Age program is being implemented in the final stage three of disarmament per the Publication 7277.

    As for Judge Leon in DCD 08-cv-2234. Obama any way you look at it is the Usurper, because I made sure of it I duly FIRED him. The problem with all the cases I believe is that they don’t trust any of the Judges in DC. According to an attorney practicing there in DC THEY are ALL corrupt!

    I decided to force the Multi-district rule 28 USC 1407 see below:

    From: 593 Vanderbilt Avenue – #281
    Brooklyn, New York 11238
    Telephone: (845) 901-6767
    Christopher-Earl: Strunk © in esse

    TO: Honorable David 0. Carter
    Judge, United States District Court
    Central District of California, Southern Division
    411 West Fourth Street, Courtroom 9D
    Santa Ana, CA 92701-4516

    Re: Barnett, et a1 v. Obama, et al, Case No. 8:09-cv-00082
    Subject: Request for permission to transfer with the 28 USC §1407
    Multidistrict matter Strunk v US DOS et al. DCD 08-cv-2234
    (RJL) with demand for Quo Warranto inquest of Barack
    Hussein Obama (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro).

    The Honorable Judge Carter,

    I am the Plaintiff, Christopher-Earl: Strunk © in esse, in the related Case and make this statement under penalty of perjury pursuant to 28 USC 1746. Declarant is self-represented in the above civil action on-going in Washington District of Columbia before U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon. Judge Leon ordered a stay of discovery pending a decision on my Quo Warranto demand for an inquest of multi-allegiance facts associated with the August 4, 1961 birth of Barack Hussein Obama Jr., a.k.a. Barry Soetoro (the Usurper).

    That I duly fired the Usurper on January 22, 2009 because the Usurper is unqualified to act with my power of attorney as the Usurper has more than one allegiance at birth by his own admission; and therefore, with dual allegiance is ineligible to hold the office of President according to U.S. Constitution Article II Section 2 Clause 5, because the Usurper is not a natural-born-citizen without two U.S. Citizen parents on August 4, 1961. Of further prima facie importance to the inquest are facts filed before this Court for verification that prove the Usurper is not even a native-born-citizen either, and thereby triggers review of facts as to Usurper’s naturalized citizen status also if proper allegiance filing is absent upon entry into Hawaii as a citizen of Indonesia.

    I am familiar with the facts associated with the referenced cases as each are related and subject to consolidation here as an urgent matter of National Security before this Court and that the U.S. Government has argued that any Quo Warranto be done in Washington District of Columbia and I urge herein applies with a Multi-district Judicial Panel accordingly. A copy of this request has been sent to Counsels and Court in both cases. Respectfully yours,

    Date: October 7th, 2009 /s/ Christopher-Earl: Strunk
    Brooklyn New York ___________________________
    Christopher-Earl: Strunk © in esse
    cc: Judge Richard J. Leon
    Brigham John Bowen, AUSA
    Roger E. West AUSA
    Charles Edward Lincoln, III, Esq.
    Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq.

    Best regards,

    Chris Strunk

  263. frakyjearoraf

    Hello everyone,

    Im new to the forum and just wanted to introduce myself, my name is James and I’m form Canada. I’ve been a long time lurker who has finally decided to make an account and contribute.

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