Blagojevich trial bigger than Watergate, Nation at mercy of prosecutors, White house must be checked, Archibald Cox defied Nixon, Will Patrick Fitzgerald defy Obama?

Blagojevich trial bigger than Watergate, Nation at mercy of prosecutors

I have stated for some time that the current situation with an ineligible president who is deeply tied to Chicago and Illinois corruption is much bigger than Watergate. Richard Nixon attempted to bypass the US Constitution and separation of powers. Thank God for people like Barry Goldwater, who ignored party affiliation, and Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox who stuck to their principles.

We are rapidly approaching another crisis with the Blagojevich trial starting this week on June 3. Except this time the situation is worse. We have the trial of former IL Governor Blagojevich that will most certainly, if prosecutors do their job,  tie Obama to much of the same Chicago corruption. At least with Nixon, we had a natural born citizen not tied to Chicago corruption.

The trial has not begun yet and there are well founded suspicions that continued chicanery, pay to play Chicago style, is going on. It is believed that Obama met with Patrick Fitzgerald recently in Chicago. The question is, will Fitzpatrick and the US Justice Department perform their constitutional duty to check abuse of power in IL and the White House? God help us if they don’t.

Read more:

https://citizenwells.com/2010/05/31/blagojevich-trial-watergate-obama-invokes-memory-of-nixon-archibald-cox-defied-nixon-will-patrick-fitzgerald-defy-obama/

202 responses to “Blagojevich trial bigger than Watergate, Nation at mercy of prosecutors, White house must be checked, Archibald Cox defied Nixon, Will Patrick Fitzgerald defy Obama?

  1. Free Speech

    CW, I am an optimist by nature, but frankly none of the recent developments in the blago case indicate that Fitzgerald or any other government lawyer is going to bring bo to justice.

    Sooner or later, Patriots are going to have to stop looking to CROOKED politicians or attorney generals to save our Nation. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. CROOKED politicians are not going to reform a CORRUPT political system that is making them rich no matter how many Tea Parties, Townhall, illegitimate online grand juries or other demonstrations you have.

    When Patriots finally take the following steps, we can begin to regain control of our Government:

    1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO. Form a local County Grand Jury to investigate the CROOKED politicians CROOKED politicians.

    2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.

    3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.

    4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.

    http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com

  2. CW.. I hope and pray the prosecutor will do his job. Now I wonder just what sort of guy he is. He is the one guy who can bring this out in the open. I just dont have any hope that he will. He will likely do it the Chicago Way

  3. amy1 @ 3:20 pm
    ” Thats why I never could understand where the libs got the idea we were all republicans”
    I think they are lying or deluded beyond all comprehension. All Hillary supporters who saw the usurpation of the convention knew something bad was going on, they just didn’t know the extent at that time. PUMA-Party Union my A## was started, they thought us Dems would fall in line, but we didn’t, just the opposite. Remember Country before Party. I hope Obama and the corrupt DNC fall lower than the hole BP is trying to fill-talk about slime-in recognition of their great work in the wonderful world of corruption. Obama/DNC have shown us where so much of it lays, but I’m sure there is more. BARF, how low can they go, that is the last question to be answered. The corrupt ones including the media did not expect WE THE PEOPLE to react the way we did, big mistake on their part.

  4. This was huge in Chicago at the time, I wonder where the Operation Greylord guys are today, this involved many FBI agents and I don’t know how many other branches of Catch a Corrupt Politician on any given day.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-chicagodays-greylord-story,0,4025843.story
    Operation Greylord
    A federal probe of court corruption sets the standard for future investigations.

  5. Michelle, Here of late, the MSM has been reporting O’s weaknesses.. It’s about time!

  6. The corruption in Chicago is now in DC. Blago would have brought it there if he would have been able to follow his dream. But O did it for him. Ironic!.. Everything The Chicago Way..

  7. Grandfatherjwv

    If these lawyers are involved, these preparations for e-mails will be on topic.

    Dear Esquire Robert F. Bauer

    Free Speech, believed to be aka Leo Patrick Haffie, says I should ask you, if BAR as in American Bar Assocation has anything to do with the British Accredited Registry. Also, he states you are a members of the MEMBERS OF DC BAR and to ask you if you are members of the “evil” corporation! ( I think he means the corrupt U.S. corporate government)
    Thanks, Grandfatherjwv, aka James Wilson Vallaster

    Dear Esquire J. Devaney,

    Free Speech, believed to be aka Leo Patrick Haffie, says I should ask you, if BAR as in American Bar Assocation has anything to do with the British Accredited Registry. Also, he states you are a members of the MEMBERS OF DC BAR and to ask you if you are members of the “evil” corporation! ( I think he means the corrupt U.S. corporate government)
    Thanks, Grandfatherjwv, aka James Wilson Vallaster

  8. hmmmmmm.. I find it real interesting that no one has answered my 2 questions on the previous thread. (Not in here though. Need to keep this thread on topic)

  9. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    amy1 – I left you an important story at end of last thread – it explains a great deal and – at least points to the answers to your questions.

  10. amy1 @ 3:55 pm
    Coming from Chicago, growing up in the suburbs there is more to the Chicago Way than what Obama is doing. After Gacy was caught with all those poor guys buried in his basement
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
    “Gacy raped and murdered at least 33 young men and boys, mostly teenagers. Although some of his victims’ bodies were found in the Des “—-
    my mother and I went to visit my god-mother who lived near-by. I can remember her saying “all these weird people coming through the neighborhood to look at the Gacy home”, this went on for a few weeks, until the house burnt to the ground-unknown who did it. Every Chicagoan knows who did it-one of the neighbors “Street Justice” and scorched earth is also part of the Chicago Way. Obama was not born in Chicago, therefore he is not a Chicagoan-just another scumball, slum-landlord passing through. Hope he and his kind are the last of this poisonous ilk.

  11. carlyle… I was just checking my email looking for the mail I got from a fellow teapartier. The reason I asked that first question is because the 13th amendment according to his friend, an associate of R.A.P., is NOT the same one listed in my copy of the Constitution and does NOT involve slavery… I cant find the email, so I will have to send him email about it..TY for answering., carlyle.That is the best info I have so far. I will get back to you about the first question.

  12. Grandfatherjwv

    Free Speech – got any questions for Patrick Fritzgerald?

  13. Grandfatherjwv

    amy1 – the original 13th amendment can be seen at Citizen News May 31st 2010 in Citizens Mobilization Well Report.

  14. Cabby - AZ

    Amy1 – I responded to Tennbrock over on the previous thread. It doesn’t directly answer your specific questions but does bring a strong word of caution. btw, I don’t know anyone who would be less qualified to be an obot. Shame on them!

  15. grandfather.. I looked for it on Citizenwells news. I dont see it anywhere. Besides, the amendment is in my copy.. If there is an “origional” 13th different than the one in my copy, that is, if the origional was amended, why is there no amendment saying so, such as there is on all the others which have been amended.?

  16. Example: It says on the bottom of page 40 of the amenments: The Eighteenth Amendment was ratified jan 16, 1919. It was repealed by the Twenty-first Amendment Dec 5, 1933.

  17. Cabby ty.. It hurt being called such a name.

  18. Grandfatherjwv

    amy1 – Citizen News can accessed by looking over to the right hand side of Citizen Wells main page. You may have to scroll down a little to see it.

  19. Even though the 18th amendment is still listed in my copy, it also says at the beginning of amendment XXI, section 1 The eighteenth article of amendment is hereby repealed.

  20. So if the origional amenment has been changed, it would have to be listed elsewhere that it was amended

  21. It would have to say so.

  22. Grandfatherjwv

    The general answer is the original 13th was lost in the War of 1812 and Civil War turmoil. Not repealed, it was lost or hiddened.

  23. Is this stuff true about the 13th amendment? An interesting read:

    http://www.uhuh.com/constitution/am13-fgd.htm

  24. Grandfatherjwv

    Oh Yeah!

  25. amy1 @ 4:45 pm
    Maybe this has the information you seek.
    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/13th+Amendment
    The Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

    Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    The Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution were approved by Congress and ratified by the states after the U.S. Civil War. Known collectively as the Civil War Amendments, they were designed to protect individual rights. The Thirteenth Amendment forbids Involuntary Servitude or Slavery, except where the condition is imposed on an individual as punishment for a crime.

  26. grandfather ( I feel weird calling you that).. Where on his news page do I find the Mobilazion Report.. Thats what I cant find.

  27. That article starts out like this:

    “Original 13th Amendment Is Missing

    The original 13th Amendment to our Constitution has been illegally removed from publication. One intent of the Amendment was to prohibit the attorneys of powerful European bankers from holding office in America. During the confusion of the War of 1812,when our capital records building was burned, and the Civil War, the bankers and lawyers removed the 13th Amendment, replacing it with the Slave Amendment, which should be the 14th.
    The missing 13th Amendment, called Article XIII, reads:

    “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain, any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”

  28. Michelle, Yes, I know that, but the one that is NOT in my copy says something else, according to my info.. I just cant remember what it said. But it sure didnt say that. The 13th one is the one I learned in high school, a long time ago (lol, dont ask me how long ago)

  29. oh there it is.. ty kitty

  30. kitty, but how do we have PROOF that it was the origional one and that it was removed

  31. When was it removed?

  32. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/13th.htm

    Look at this one. Notice the Journal of the Senate copy. There’s stuff all over the place about this, Amy1. I had seen it a while back, but now, I guess, it’s hitting me. I’m not signed up with RAP yet, but they must understand this amendment.

  33. This is an interesting discussion, but something just isnt panning out.

  34. What’s not panning out?

  35. I cannot believe that I didnt learn about this when I studied American History. It is hard to believe.

  36. I can hardly wait until my next tea party meeting to discuss this with the young man giving the sessions about the Constitution.

  37. There’s a whole lot of stuff in any history that none of us have been taught, Amy1. I know this from scriptural study and ancient history. Basically we learn a PC, watered-down version of nothing.

  38. kitty, When I went to school, there was no such thing as computers. And I had a thick book on American History, (not that I remember much of it. lol)

  39. amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    To anyone in here with knowledge of R.A.P. (And to them only), could you answer 2 questions I have:
    1) Explain your interpretation of the 13th amendment.
    2) Is it true that the PLAN includes wiping out all the amendments from the 13th and thereafter?
    Please, DO NOT respond if you have NO knowledge or merely want to start an argument. I was asked to research this before my tea party meeting. TY
    ——————————-
    amy1,
    I believe RAP has restored the Republic and wanted to go back to the Organic Constitution, The Constitution for the united States of America, which contained only 13 Amendments, and go from there. All Amendments after the 13th were made unlawfully by the UNITED STATES CORPORATION formed in 1868 by the CONGRESS (The Constitution of the United States of America). If you watch the video provided by Jacqlyn, you will have a good understanding of the whats and whys of things of the RAP… Most likely you will find the answers to your questions in it. Hope this help.

    Jacqlyn Smith // May 31, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Video (1 hr. 15 min) HOW USA BECAME A CORPORATION:
    http://www.zshare.net/video/751642771112ec7f/

  40. observer @ 5:01 pm
    The only thing the usurper Messiah was worried about is those thunderbolts from the Father who is in Heaven.

  41. I am going to be researching this

  42. A Power greater than the USURPER today said “NO YOU DON’T”.

    http://whatisonline.com/obama-memorial-day-speech-is-rained-out-by-storm-marine-aircraft-accident-injures-10/1499/

    Thunder and lightening!

  43. cyber.. ty for your input too. But I am going to research at the library. I find the computer is not always truthful and I need to find old records.

  44. amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Okay.

  45. Free Speech

    Don’t know what the problem finding the 13th amendment is? Just do a google search it is all over the internet.

    The statement that the 13th amendment was lost in the civil war or war of 1812 is BS obot disinformation.

  46. It’s always best to research it, Amy1. Leave no stone unturned.

  47. cyber, It scares me about the plan to wipe out those other amendments. That would mean an end to term limits for President. We certainly need to limit the time a prersident is in office. Why cannot there be amendments that congress votes on to put this into effect? Otherwise, it is against the Constitution.

  48. Jacqlyn Smith

    amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    To anyone in here with knowledge of R.A.P. (And to them only), could you answer 2 questions I have:
    1) Explain your interpretation of the 13th amendment.
    2) Is it true that the PLAN includes wiping out all the amendments from the 13th and thereafter?
    Please, DO NOT respond if you have NO knowledge or merely want to start an argument. I was asked to research this before my tea party meeting. TY
    ******************************************
    amy1….I will try one more time to guide you toward your answers…..please listen and learn……
    surely you can’t be so naive’……I pointed you in the direction of learning about the 13th amendment last month…to NO avail….today I ask you to spend some time learning about what happened to our country and the RAP role in restoring our rights but you ignored my requests…….

    listen and learn lady….

    Video (1 hr. 15 min) HOW USA BECAME A CORPORATION:
    http://www.zshare.net/video/751642771112ec7f/

    Once you watch the above presentation I encourage you to get involved in Restoring our Republic…….it’s going to take more than just attending tea parties….I have been to all of them in Las Vegas……nice folks but nothing got done…..please go to the below link and click on your republic to get involved…I for one signed on months ago and I am in the jury pool in Nevada……it is up to us if our children and their children are going to have any kind of a future……PLEASE DO YOUR PART TO SAVE THIS REPUBLIC……WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER…..

    http://www.restoreamericaplan.net/

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    and here is a site with the original researcher David Dodge…..with your concerns about the 13th amendment….

    we can’t do the learning for you….you have to take the initiative….many people here have tried to point you in the right direction but you seem to be hell bent on making things up!!!!

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm

    Now I’m going back over to Greg’s blog where people want the truth and are willing to learn what RAP is doing to restore our republic!! I suggest you wake up before it is too late….oh and don’t forget to wake your neighbors as well!

    “If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great Security.” Samuel Adams

    “If we become a people who are willing to give up our money and our freedom in exchange for rhetoric and promises, then nothing can save us.” – Thomas Sowell

  49. I will research this entirely. If it actually happened, it will be in old history books. Everything else is. When it comes to making changes to our Constitution and amendments, I will never trust any authors who were not living at the time this was suppose to have occured.

  50. amy1,
    Accordingly, the Organic Constitution is:
    The Constitution for the united States of America (notice” for” and “u”),
    and the New Constitition is:
    The Constitution of the United States of America
    (notice “of” and “U”).
    Happy rearching!

  51. Grandfatherjwv

    amy1 – you don’t seem to get it. All amendments after the original 13th amendment are AGAINST the constitution!

  52. amy1,
    rearching=researching

  53. Jacqlyn Smith

    cyber….good try friend….the truth shall set us free….it’s just that some of us will know it before others if you know what I mean! 🙂

    “There are three kinds of people in the world…..
    Those that make things happen…..those that watch things happen…..and those that say…..HEY….WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED???”

    I think you and I are the same kind of people….amy1….NOT so much!

  54. Grandfather,

    Does this have to do with the US becoming a Corporation?

  55. The pictures are so cool.
    http://www.repubx.com/
    Jeff Rense – Hay Used On 1969 Santa Barbara Spill
    The Two American Farmers Are Right All Available Hay Should
    Begin To Move To The Gulf Immediately
    The two wise American farmers who presented their hay solution to dealing with the massive, burgeoning Gulf of Mexico oil slick are right on the money

  56. Grandfatherjwv

    Jacqlyn Smith where is “Greg’s blog”? Thanks

  57. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    I will research this entirely. If it actually happened, it will be in old history books. Everything else is. When it comes to making changes to our Constitution and amendments, I will never trust any authors who were not living at the time this was suppose to have occured.
    ****************************************

    DUH….It won’t be in any history books….you have to go through the congressional records and research that time period to find out what shenanigans the congress was up to in those days!

  58. Jacklyn.. Excuse me? Making things up?Everything I have said is the truth. I have a right to ask questions and I have the right to research everything. I will do just that. Like I said, When it comes to The Constitution, I will believe only authors who were alive at the time the amendments were made… Like I have said in here in the past. When I was young, no one ever influenced me to smoke, do drugs, sex or anything else. I take FULL responsibility for my decisions and my actions, always have and always will. But ty all for your responses to my questions. It will help significally to do my research and report back to the tea party.

  59. Jacqlyn Smith

    Grandfatherjwv ….right here….come join us….

    http://gwgjlg.wordpress.com

  60. OK, then I will have my congressman research the records. ( I trust him entirely) and I will research the old history books so I can check out the timing of all this, because somethings do not add up. TY ALL

  61. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Jacklyn.. Excuse me? Making things up?Everything I have said is the truth. I have a right to ask questions and I have the right to research everything. I will do just that. Like I said, When it comes to The Constitution, I will believe only authors who were alive at the time the amendments were made… Like I have said in here in the past. When I was young, no one ever influenced me to smoke, do drugs, sex or anything else. I take FULL responsibility for my decisions and my actions, always have and always will. But ty all for your responses to my questions. It will help significally to do my research and report back to the tea party.
    ****************************************

    amy1…Good luck….happy to oblige….let me know what your tea partying folks say….that should be interesting if they haven’t been researching either!

  62. Jacklyn, One more favor, Could you find out when the “origional” 13th amendment was removed? That will help to know. TY

  63. Jacqlyn Smith

    amy1…..please….your answer is in the link I gave you on the 13th amendment…..read this….I believe it is around the Civil War time….maybe grandfatherjwv knows….he sounds pretty informed to me….

    “TITLES OF NOBILITY” AND “HONOR”

    In the winter of 1983, archival research expert David Dodge, and former Baltimore police investigator Tom Dunn, were searching for evidence of government corruption in public records stored in the Belfast Library on the coast of Maine.

    By chance, they discovered the library’s oldest authentic copy of the Constitution of the United States (printed in 1825). Both men were stunned to see this document included a 13th Amendment that no longer appears on current copies of the Constitution. Moreover, after studying the Amendment’s language and historical context, they realized the principle intent of this “missing” 13th Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in government. So began a seven year, nationwide search for the truth surrounding the most bizarre Constitutional puzzle in American history — the unlawful removal of a ratified Amendment from the Constitution of the United States. Since 1983, Dodge and Dunn have uncovered additional copies of the Constitution with the “missing” 13th Amendment printed in at least eighteen separate publications by ten different states and territories over four decades from 1822 to 1860. In June of this year (1991), Dodge uncovered the evidence that this missing 13th Amendment had indeed been lawfully ratified by the state of Virginia and was therefore an authentic Amendment to the American Constitution. If the evidence is correct and no logical errors have been made, a 13th Amendment restricting lawyers from serving in government was ratified in 1819 and removed from US Constitution during the tumult of the Civil War. Since the Amendment was never lawfully repealed, it is still the Law today. The implications are enormous.

    The story of this “missing” Amendment is complex and at times confusing because the political issues and vocabulary of the American Revolution were different from our own. However, there are essentially two issues: What does the Amendment mean? and, Was the Amendment ratified?

  64. JS,

    I just found something about it was rediscovered. http://www.barefootsworld.net/orig13threality.html

  65. Jacklyn.. OK ty.. You’ve been most helpful

  66. Jacqlyn Smith // May 31, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    “Moreover, after studying the Amendment’s language and historical context, they realized the principle intent of this “missing” 13th Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in government.”

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    THIS STATEMENT HAS GOT MY INTEREST.

  67. It’s got my interest too, Ms. helga

  68. Free Speech

    RAP/AGJ/LaRouche/Jones

  69. Free Speech

  70. Jacqlyn Smith

    Okay everyone….please study the links I gave to amy1….the truth will be in your own research….don’t rely on others to do it for you….until you read and do your own….you won’t believe it anyway….especially watch the one link…..

    Video (1 hr. 15 min) HOW USA BECAME A CORPORATION:
    http://www.zshare.net/video/751642771112ec7f/

    this presentation was made by a Guardian of the RAP….it documents every claim he makes…..you just have to go to the library and research it if you don’t believe his words!

  71. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Jacklyn.. OK ty.. You’ve been most helpful
    ***************************************

    Okay….good luck….it’s Jacqlyn but you can just put JS instead of writing out my whole name! Your are welcome! 🙂

  72. amy1,
    The 13th Amendment was approved by congress and the House of Representatives in 1810. It was ratified by all the necessary states into law on March 12, 1819. It reads as follows.
    13th Amendment
    If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.
    This amendment was unacceptable for the British crown because this would essentially cut off all meddling into the affairs of the new republic’s government. It would also mean anyone who is a member of the BAR (Lawyer) association would not be allowed to hold public office. Remember the B.A.R. is short for the British Accredited Registry. This amendment is technically still in effect today and therefore all the laws that have been made by lawyers remains unconstitutional, as they are not allowed to be US citizens.
    This is why England fought in a war with us in 1812. Washington D.C. was burned to the ground and the original documents which proved this was indeed a law were destroyed. The British monarchy knew the American people would never tolerate British rule again, so they offered back the republic to the people with one exception, the 13th amendment was to be removed from the constitution. Nearly 200 years have now since passed, we have been conquered and yet we don’t know it.

    If I remember correctly, RAP wants to go back to the version of Contitution of March 12, 1819.

  73. Free Speech // May 31, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    RAP/AGJ/LaRouche/Jones
    ************************************
    Who’s the real “tool” here, Free Speech? Nowhere in this video does it tie RAP OR AGJ with LaRouche or Alex Jones.

  74. Amy, I don’t know if you have heard of David Barton of Wallbuilders, but I trust him, he has studied American History and he has an interesting article about the 13th ammendment. It’s here if you are interested…..
    http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=133

  75. cyber,

    Very interesting info. I’m downloading that stuff now that JS said to listen to.

  76. Free Speech

    Dabig, U R late & WRONG. AGJ was tied to & RAP was tied to LaRouche is earlier posts. Do you admit now that LaRouche & Jones are FALSE FLAG AGENTS?

  77. kittycat // May 31, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Kittycat, isn’t it!

  78. Hey, cyber,

    I can see why some lawyers would be a little nervous when this comes out big time. Looking up the information that I’ve already been looking at, they were not to have places of honor. Just people like the rest of us.

  79. cyber // May 31, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    The 13th amendment, therefore, renders o. a non-citizen because he accepted the position with the U.N. Security Council, a foreign power.

    Lawsuit, anyone?

  80. Free Speech

    The problem with boBots is that they are so ignorant that they fail to present a logical explanation of their own conspiracy theories.

    My favorite looney RAP theory is that “the USA has been controlled by Britain for 200 years and we don’t know it.” LOL!

  81. “The 13th amendment, therefore, renders o. a non-citizen because he accepted the position with the U.N. Security Council, a foreign power. ”

    yep, that’s a real kicker, isn’t it?

  82. kittycat // May 31, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Hey, cyber,

    I can see why some lawyers would be a little nervous ….
    ———————————-
    Yes, very very nervous and shaking enough to call most of us here “Obocohorts”. LOL

  83. #

    Free Speech // May 31, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Dabig, U R late & WRONG. AGJ was tied to & RAP was tied to LaRouche is earlier posts. Do you admit now that LaRouche & Jones are FALSE FLAG AGENTS?
    ************************
    Who tied AGJ and RAP to LaRouche and Alex Jones besides you? Why would I “admit” to anything concerning LaRouche OR Jones?
    Once again accusations of RAP or AGJ associations to false flag, cointel, obotiness, yet no proof.
    Well, I see that even garnering your “name change” things still remain the same don’t they.

  84. THE CULTURE OF LITIGATION

    The culture of litigation produces the fear of litigation – which causes people to hire lawyers for defensive purposes, which causes a greater demand for for lawyers, which produces more lawyers who produce more lawsuits, which cause more fear of lawsuits, which causes a greater demand for lawyers, which produces more lawyers, who produce more lawsuits – etc, etc,etc

    “NOW IS THE TIME TO KILL ALL THE LAWYERS” – William Shakespeare

  85. cyber,

    My sentiments exactly. Wow, what a kicker! Can you imagine all the baloney government people that we’ve had that were attorneys? No wonder we’re in a mess.

    The best presidents would be military or just regular people who have common sense. Good old common sense rules above the so-called elite mentality.

  86. Jacqlyn Smith

    amy1…..here’s your sign…..

    http://www.usavsus.info/usA–Original13thAmend.htm

    (Original)
    Amendment XIII
    If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

    Quote from The Missing 13th Amendment

    The Missing 13th Amendment
    “TITLES OF NOBILITY” AND “HONOR”

    In the winter of 1983, archival research expert David Dodge, and former Baltimore police investigator Tom Dunn, were searching for evidence of government corruption in public records stored in the Belfast Library on the coast of Maine. By chance, they discovered the library’s oldest authentic copy of the Constitution of the United States (printed in 1825). Both men were stunned to see this document included a 13th Amendment that no longer appears on current copies of the Constitution. Moreover, after studying the Amendment’s language and historical context, they realized the principle intent of this “missing” 13th Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in government.

    So began a seven-year, nationwide search for the truth surrounding the most bizarre Constitutional puzzle in American history — the unlawful removal of a ratified Amendment from the Constitution of the United States. Since 1983, Dodge and Dunn have uncovered additional copies of the Constitution with the “missing” 13th Amendment printed in at least eighteen separate publications by ten different states and territories over four decades from 1822 to 1860.

    In June of this year, Dodge uncovered the evidence that this missing 13th Amendment had indeed been lawfully ratified by the state of Virginia and was therefore an authentic Amendment to the American Constitution. If the evidence is correct and no logical errors have been made, a 13th Amendment restricting lawyers from serving in government was ratified in 1819 and removed from our Constitution during the tumult of the Civil War.

    Since the Amendment was never lawfully repealed, it is still the Law today. The implications are enormous.

  87. ms. helga,

    That really is a great quote.

  88. Okay here’s what I found and where I found it. It talks about slavery….

    Article. XIII.
    [Proposed 1865; Ratified 1865]
    Section. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    http://www.constitution.org/afterte_.htm#amd13.1

  89. ms. helga // May 31, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    THE CULTURE OF LITIGATION

    The culture of litigation produces the fear of litigation – which causes people to hire lawyers for defensive purposes, which causes a greater demand for for lawyers, which produces more lawyers who produce more lawsuits, which cause more fear of lawsuits, which causes a greater demand for lawyers, which produces more lawyers, who produce more lawsuits – etc, etc,etc

    “NOW IS THE TIME TO KILL ALL THE LAWYERS” – William Shakespeare
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    So true and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  90. Jacqlyn Smith

    More good stuff for you amy1…..

    The following was found at: http://www.barefootsworld.net/consti12.html

    Click on the above link, find this part on that web page.
    It has a lot of good footnotes, links, pictures, and references that are not shown here.

    The Original Thirteenth Amendment
    Ratified March 12, 1819

    The Founders held an intense disdain and distrust of “Nobility” as a result of a long history, during Colonial times, of abuses and excesses against the Rights of Man and the established Common Law and Constitutions by the “Nobility”, and therefore placed in the new Constitution two injunctions against acceptance of Titles of Nobility or Honor or emoluments from external sources. The Revolutionary War for Independence was primarily waged to eliminate these abuses and excesses of the “Nobility” and the “Monied Classes” from the life of the Nation, recognizing the Equality of all men.

    As there was no penalty attached to a title of nobility or honor in the Constitution as originally ratified, the Original Thirteenth Amendment was proposed in December of 1809 to institute penalty for accepting or using a “Title of Nobility or Honor” to set oneself apart from, or superior to, or possessing of any special privileges or immunities not available to any other citizen of the United States, and to eliminate the widespread use of “emoluments” as bribery and of the legislatures and judiciary used to further the causes and positions of “Special Interests”. It was an attempt to keep politicians and civil servants “Honest” in their service to the citizens.

    As noted in the discussion in Article 1 of the Constitution, the original Thirteenth Amendment, was ratified in 1819, adding a heavy penalty upon any person holding or accepting a Title of Nobility or Honor, or emoluments from external powers by making that person “cease to be a citizen of the United States” and “incapable of holding any Office of Trust or Profit under the United States”. This Amendment was proposed, properly ratified, and was a matter of record in the several States archives until 1876, by which time it was quietly, and fraudulently deleted, never repealed, during the period of Reconstruction after the Civil War and the presently acknowledged Thirteenth Amendment was substituted. The original records of the original 13th amendment were thought to be destroyed at the time of the burning of the capitol during the War of 1812, but have since been found in the archives of the British Museum, the national archives and in the archives of several of the States and territories. The fact of its existence had been lost to memory until, by chance, researchers discovered in the public library at Belfast, Maine an 1825 copy of the U. S. Constitution. Subsequent research shows that it was in the records of the ratifying states and territories until 1876, the last to drop it from record was the Territory of Wyoming after 1876. The most intriguing discovery was the 1867 Colorado Territory edition which includes both the “missing” Thirteenth Amendment and the current 13th Amendment, on the same page. The current 13th Amendment is listed as the 14th Amendment in the 1867 Colorado edition.

    The 1876 Laws of Wyoming which similarly show the “missing” Thirteenth Amendment, the current 13th Amendment (freeing the slaves), and the current 15th Amendment on the same page. The current 13th Amendment is listed as the 14th, the current 14th amendment is omitted, and the current 15th Amendment is in proper place.

    For further discussion and the history of the Original Thirteenth Amendment see “Demon of Discord, Ratification and Suppression of the Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.”

    On December 3, 1860, the month after Lincoln was elected, President Buchanan asked Congress to propose an “explanatory amendment”. It was to be another 13th Amendment, to eradicate and cover-up the deletion of the Original Thirteenth Title of Nobility and Honour Amendment. This proposed amendment, which would have forever legalized slavery, was signed by President Buchanan the day before Lincoln took office.

    This amendment to the Constitution relating to slavery was sent to the states for ratification by the Second Session of the Thirty-sixth Congress on March 2, 1861, when it passed the Senate, having previously passed the House on February 28, 1861. It is interesting to note in this connection that this and the ratified Anti-Slavery amendment of 1865 are the only resolutions proposing amendments to the Constitution to have been signed by the President. The President’s signature is considered unnecessary because of the constitutional provision that on the concurrence of two-thirds of both Houses of Congress the proposal shall be submitted to the States for ratification.

    The resolve to amend signed by President Buchanan on March 2, 1861, two days before Lincoln’s inauguration, read:

    Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following article be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which, when ratified by three-fourths of said Legislatures, shall be valid, to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution, viz:

    “ARTICLE THIRTEEN, No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.”

    In other words, President Buchanan had signed a resolve that would have forever permitted slavery, and upheld states’ rights. Only one State, Illinois, Lincoln’s home state, had ratified this proposed amendment before the Civil War broke out in 1861. It appears at 12 Stat. 251, 36th Congress. Two more State legislatures ratified it, beginning with Ohio on May 13, 1861, followed by Maryland on January 10, 1862.

    But the onslaught of the Civil War taught that the Nation may be in even greater peril from the States than they ever were from the Nation. And so, after more than seventy years of national life, the people, by the presently acknowledged 13th Amendment and the two following, laid upon the States restrictions which a few years before would have been impossible. The Constitution had gone forty-six years (1819 – 1865) without an Amendment.

    In the tumult of 1865, the original Thirteenth Amendment was removed from our Constitution. In a Congressional Resolve to amend dated December 5, 1864, approved and signed by President Lincoln, February 1, 1865, another Amendment numbered XIII (which prohibited slavery in Sect. 1, and ended states’ rights in Sect. 2) was proposed. When, on January 13, 1865, a two-thirds vote was taken in the House of Representatives for proposing the currently presented 13th Amendment “in honor of the immortal and sublime event” the House adjourned. It was then presented to the States for ratification. Two months later, April 9, 1865, the Civil War ended with General Lee’s surrender. On April 14, President Lincoln was assassinated, dying on April 15th.

    On December 18, 1865, the “new” 13th Amendment loudly prohibiting and abolishing slavery (and quietly surrendering states rights to the federal government) was proclaimed adopted by Secretary of State Seward, replacing and effectively erasing the original Thirteenth Amendment that had prohibited acceptance of “titles of nobility” and “honors” and “emoluments”, and dishonest politicians have been bought and bribed and have treasonously accepted graft from external sources ever since, with no thought of penalty.

  91. Jacqlyn Smith

    tennbrock // May 31, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Okay here’s what I found and where I found it. It talks about slavery….

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s not the original 13th….you gave us the unlawful one……this one you print was supposedly ratified on Dec, 6, 1865…the original one that has finally come to light because of Dodge and Dunn was actually ratified in 1819 and removed unlawfully during the tumult of the Civil War….sounds like something this congress would do without the people’s permission!!!

  92. Free Speech

    Free Speech // May 31, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Dabig, U R late & WRONG. AGJ was tied to & RAP was tied to LaRouche is earlier posts. Do you admit now that LaRouche & Jones are FALSE FLAG AGENTS?
    ************************
    Who tied AGJ and RAP to LaRouche and Alex Jones besides you?

    ****************************************

    Connections were made by several Patriots. Go thru all the prior threads and educate urself, dabig.

  93. JS,

    Thanks for that information. I have copied it, and I’m downloading the video that you sent to watch and listen to.

  94. Free Speech

    Tennbrock,

    Thanks for the links. Very informative.

  95. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    kittycat // May 31, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    JS,

    Thanks for that information. I have copied it, and I’m downloading the video that you sent to watch and listen to.
    ****************************************

    Anytime KC….the truth shall set us free! 🙂

  96. Free Speech // May 31, 2010 at 7:05 pm
    *********
    Not quite, but you can continue to play.

  97. TY all for so much info.. Am trying to copy it on my pc and I am having trouble. My pc keeps shutting dowm. Must be a hot topic. lol

  98. Wow, it is hot. This is just such a kicker. No wonder the lawyers get nervous. I’m still mentally dealing with it. LOL!

  99. I believe the lawyers back then came from Great Briton. The founders didnt want anything to do with them obviously. But the lawyers now graduate from accredited schools in America just like I graduated from an accredited nursing school. They dont have to belong to the BAR anymore than I have to belong to the ANA (which I dont).

  100. Uh Oh, accident in front of my house bbl

  101. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Amy1 – as before in suggestions from me – here is the information about the original 13th amendment decoupled from its uses within RAP.

    http://www.amendment-13.org/

    I have written extensively on this in this blog before. But here is a very short form:

    1. There was indeed provable an original 13th amendment about titles of nobility.

    2. The only controversy is whether it was ever ratified or not.

    3. As you can see from the suggested web site, there is a very good, documented, case that it was indeed ratified.

    4. If you read what I suggest, you can see that there was indeed a lot of confusion and fits and starts, and the story is not simple – but long and complicated.

    5. There are plenty of constitutions published (you can find them in libraries and state archives) that actually contain the original 13th amendment.

    6. Another controversy is what it means. It clearly addresses ‘noble’ titles such as duke, earl, count, knight, etc. It addressed the issue that anyone who had been so elevated was of necessity conflicted with dual loyalty. The issue gets dicey when the meaning is pushed beyond these obvious meanings to other sorts of titles. Lawyers come in for frequent abuse (title = esquire) as well as Obama for having a “position” within the UN. There is no defensible documentation for this – it is all fear mongering. The UN thing is like a committee chairmanship for pete’s sake – it is certainly not a title of nobility. Furthermore it is a rotating position, not a permanent one. The Esquire thing is like PhD, MD, etc. It is a professional designation, not a title of nobility. It is all very silly.

    To me the bottom line is that it is old history and may not be of any current concern. At this point there are no instances of it applying to anybody. So people trying to urgently resurrect it are just tilting at windmills. On the other hand, a case can be made that it should be restored at some convenient time – just in case we have another Obama-like usurper situation in which the specific disability is ennoblement.

    RAP and others have taken these basic facts and have woven this huge conspiracy theory and elaborate plan to retake the country. Frankly they scare me.

    Finally you cannot fully understand RAP and others like them until you have immersed yourself in the other big controversy:

    Is the US government a ‘corporation’? If so, what exactly does it mean? Who was behind it, and when did it happen? Why?

    That is a whole other long story that I have written on extensively here on this blog.

    Short form – it is another deep deep conspiracy theory. It takes a few undeniable facts and spins a huge web of novel from this. Very fascinating, but also scary.

    My challenge to all these people is this: Don’t try to convert me, I am set in my ways. But by all means, tell me of any proofs, and of any positive results of any of these activities. I am a skeptic, but an open-minded one. “Show me” and I will follow you anywhere. Otherwise, get out of my face!!!

    Here is a very specific situation. The RAP is full of predictions. Secret predictions. Trust us, they WILL come true. However there is one critical aspect of RAP that has already happened. It can be used as a bellweather.

    They sent legal documents to all the Governors of the states informing them to cease their allegiance to “the corporation” and retie their allegiance to RAP. This apparently really happened and is used as one of the ‘proofs’ that RAP is real. Now – pay attention – this is where it gets REALLY interesting. Simultaniously they “arrested the bonds” of all the Governors so they were no longer able to practice or fulfill their duties. I think this all happened in late March. In any case, it is easy to find these letters and other legal papers.

    However, I think this is all a paper tiger. I have not yet seen any disabled Governors. Further I don’t expect to see any. This is one of the key proofs I am looking for.

  102. Okay, this is a link to all of the ammendments to the constitution…

    http://www.constitution.org/afterte_.htm#amd13.1

  103. CC,
    I agree with you. I got this link from Wallbuilders’ site, which has all 3 ammendment 13’s in it which are stated as follows…..

    [Contested Article.]
    [Proposed 1810; Possibly Ratified 1819, but evidence lacking, and it seems most likely that the number of ratifying states did not reach 3/4 of the states as new states were admitted.]
    If any Citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any Title of Nobility or Honour, or shall, without the Consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, Pension, Office or Emolument of any kind whatever, from any Emperor, King, Prince or foreign Power, such Person shall cease to be a Citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any Office of Trust or Profit under them, or either of them.

    [Unratified Article.]
    [Proposed 1861; Endorsed by Lincoln while president-elect; Unratified][1]
    Article Thirteen.

    No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

    Article. XIII.
    [Proposed 1865; Ratified 1865]
    Section. 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Section. 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

  104. The third one is the one that was ratfied in 1865

  105. JS,
    Where is your proof that what I posted is wrong???? How do you know that what you posted is correct. I am going to go by what David Barton of Wallbuilders says because he is a reputable source.

  106. Carlyle.. Me too, set in my ways, but am at the same time, welling to listen.. Talk to you later.. Thanks

  107. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Hey Ho – FREE SPEECH – from previous thread.

    in re: Seventeenth Amendment

    First of all, thank you for a polite inquiry instead of calling me names. Now let me address the issue.

    The Federal government was created as the handmaiden, common services function, of the States. It was to remain under strict control of the States forever.

    The Senate was the primary deliberative body of the Federal government. It was to be strictly controlled by and staffed with representatives of the States. Each State provided two Senators to advance and control the interests of the States. This ensured that the States were equally represented and that the Federal government was strictly responsive to the States.

    The House or Reps was created specifically to deal with the issue of Taxation Without Representation. In the House or Reps, the population was equally represented and all money bills were to originate in the House or Reps.

    Upon the ratification of the 17th, both houses became People’s houses and basically did the same thing but with slightly different rules and traditions. Stupid and redundant. Worse, the States lost control of the Federal government. Therefore the Republic died. ‘Republic’ is by definition a consortium of States, not a collection of people. We now have a popular democracy – i.e. mob rule.

    A similar argument can be made for the Electoral Process in regards choosing the President. In this case, they did not change the constitution, they just badly twisted it.

    Originally, the people were not expected to pick the President. In fact even then with limited geography and less population – and even more so today – the people have no wherewithal to adequately select a president.

    The process is supposed to work like this. Each State picks a designated number of electors based on population. The people are supposed to pick these electors as individuals or officials they know and trust and who will represent them and their State. These electors then come together and select a president without further input or feedback from the people. Just like selecting the Pope, the first the people know is when it is announced.

    The constitutional elector law is still in-place. But instead, it has been twisted (and the almighty Supreme Court has agreed) in the following way.

    You basically have a mob-rule popularity contest (campaigns, and all that) and the people (who have no ability to do so – watch some of the videos on YouTube of voters!) choose the most popular and beautiful candidate. Then to preserve the letter of the law – they all go into the voting booth and punch a hole next to “electors for so and so”.

    Most people think that this is some arcane and frilly legal terminology that has no meaning. But it has very deep and critical meaning and MUST be that way. And the courts have ruled that as long as it has these magic words, then it is OK to upend the original constitutional intent.

    Now we can debate all day what the correct way to elect Presidents is. But it is hard to argue that skirting around the constitution and playing silly games is any way to run the country.

    I happen to prefer the original intent and am willing to defend it against all odds. But suppose the contry really wanted to change this process – then the whole topic needs to get fully exposed in the media and schools etc. and then a constitutional amendment attempted. What we are doing now is disgusting and actually further erodes states rights.

    Let’s have total openness and transparency. Not infantile games to hide the truth from the people.

  108. Free Speech

    amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    I believe the lawyers back then came from Great Briton. The founders didnt want anything to do with them obviously.
    *********************************

    35 of the Founding Fathers were lawyers, including John Adams & Thomas Jefferson.

  109. Off topic item….

    What went wrong?

    Independent researcher Dr. Robert Bea investigates Deepwater Horizon diaster. (preliminary findings)

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37279113/ns/nightly_news/

    BP has had three chances to get it right and have failed each time. BP needs to move over and let someone else take over.

    Q. Where is the Navy? Can they help with their deepwater equipment? We can put people on the moon and can’t fix an oil leaking well!

  110. Amy1,

    The founders denounced their British citizenship. Those that matter anyway.

  111. Free Speech

    ” Lawyers come in for frequent abuse (title = esquire) as well as Obama for having a “position” within the UN. There is no defensible documentation for this – it is all fear mongering. The UN thing is like a committee chairmanship for pete’s sake – it is certainly not a title of nobility. Furthermore it is a rotating position, not a permanent one. The Esquire thing is like PhD, MD, etc. It is a professional designation, not a title of nobility. It is all very silly.

    To me the bottom line is that it is old history and may not be of any current concern. At this point there are no instances of it applying to anybody. So people trying to urgently resurrect it are just tilting at windmills. On the other hand, a case can be made that it should be restored at some convenient time – just in case we have another Obama-like usurper situation in which the specific disability is ennoblement.

    RAP and others have taken these basic facts and have woven this huge conspiracy theory and elaborate plan to retake the country. Frankly they scare me.

    Finally you cannot fully understand RAP and others like them until you have immersed yourself in the other big controversy:

    Is the US government a ‘corporation’? If so, what exactly does it mean? Who was behind it, and when did it happen? Why?

    That is a whole other long story that I have written on extensively here on this blog.

    Short form – it is another deep deep conspiracy theory. It takes a few undeniable facts and spins a huge web of novel from this. Very fascinating, but also scary.”

    *****************************

    Thanks, Carlyle, well stated.

  112. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    tennbrock // May 31, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    JS,
    Where is your proof that what I posted is wrong???? How do you know that what you posted is correct. I am going to go by what David Barton of Wallbuilders says because he is a reputable source.
    ******************************************

    Read Dodge and Dunn’s research….they are the one’s who found the missing 13th amendment and the proof that it was ratified in 1819 before the civil war! You can go by what ever you want but it doesn’t mean what you are going by is the truth! Here are some links for you to read….

    http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/E/thirteen/thirteen1.htm

    http://www.usavsus.info/usA–Original13thAmend.htm

  113. amy1 @ 7:43 pm
    If you’re going to have an accident, it must help if a registered nurse is home. Are the people ok?

  114. truthbetold11

    free speech seems like you dont have anything positive to say frankly about anything. Rap is the real deal and you will miss the train leaving station on your way to mindless attempts to smear it. You came here to twist the facts and to appear smart. The rap is not a conspiracy at all. Men and women putting there lives on the line.

  115. How to Create a Crisis and Steal a Nation
    By Aristotle the Hun, The Rev. Big Goon and Good Shepherd Sam

    Note: It will quickly be obvious to the reader why details have been obscured, omitted or fictionalized in this narrative of events that began nearly forty years ago.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-create-crisis-and-steal-nation.html

  116. Free Speech

    Carlyle, still don’t understand you objections to the 13th 14th 17th & 19th amendments. e: 17th changed the method of election of senators from legislative appointment to election by the people. I do not necessarily see that as a bad thing.

  117. truthbetold11

    JS , you must see the pattern here leo,amy1 freespeech, truth distorters plan and simple. Big words and posts but no solutions

  118. UpstateWarrior @ 7:51 pm
    That is huge-a three story building? What a mess.

  119. History teaches us about our human nature, that is why history repeats itself when we don’t study it and don’t try to avoid certain things that can and do happen again.

    I do not see the original 13th amendment as a conspiracy, per se. I see it as something stupid happened, which I’m studying it now, it was never ever appealed. The 13th amendment is important too, and you can’t just slip it under the rug and say that it doesn’t apply nowadays.

  120. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    kittycat // May 31, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    History teaches us about our human nature, that is why history repeats itself when we don’t study it and don’t try to avoid certain things that can and do happen again.

    I do not see the original 13th amendment as a conspiracy, per se. I see it as something stupid happened, which I’m studying it now, it was never ever appealed. The 13th amendment is important too, and you can’t just slip it under the rug and say that it doesn’t apply nowadays.
    ***************************************

    KC…that is exactly what they did……
    read this….

    -The Original 13th Amendment.-
    Ratified 1819

    “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”

    A decent starting point for the Rabbit Hole Surfers….go here…….http://www.apfn.org/apfn/13th.htm

    It was ratified, and there is no amendment to remove it …. they just stopped printing it and it faded away …. not to mention there are actually three 13th amendments…

    So much would be different now, soooooo much…..just like if we hadn’t let our De Jure Grand Juries fade away…..these juries are the check and balance needed to stop the corruption in our Constitutional Republic!!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Furthermore read this…..it is why you don’t want a LIYIN’ LIEyer representing you in court….you are better off doing it yourself…

    The “Corpus Juris Secundum” (the “Lawyer’s Bible) says: “His [attorney] first duty is to the courts and the public not to the client and wherever the duties to his client conflict with those he owes as an officer of the court in the administration of justice, the former must yield to the latter.”

    Read the sordid truth as to why when they go to DC they DO NOT REPRESENT you.

    Click to access Attorney_Fraud.pdf

  121. Aristotle the Hun // May 31, 2010 at 8:36 pm
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    Excellent article, thanks for the link. I’ll be distributing that one.

  122. Okay, here is an interesting article about Dodge and Dunn, if anyone is interested….

    http://www.quatloos.com/13th_amendement.htm

  123. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech // May 31, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    In summary, I’ll address just two of them:

    14th

    How can a constitution written by the states to charter and give powers to the Federal government, then turn around and have the Federal government controlling the states. This is not the charter for the states, it is the charter for the Feds. Neither was it supposed to be a bilateral contract. The Feds should NEVER have ANY power over the states.

    17th

    Nothing mysterious. It is just that rights, activities, and controls formerly invested in the states are now given to the people. That is not “just a change of method”. That is a far-reaching and serious change in the power structure.

    Whether or not you are disturbed by this is up to you I guess. But personally, I don’t like mob rule. I believe in a structured hierarchy of representatives.

  124. http://larrysinclair.org/LarrysForum/topic/truth-will-prevail
    First we have investigative journalist Wayne Madsen, (who in June 2008, believed I was part of some republican smear group)reporting on May 24, 2010 “The sources also confirm the allegations made during the 2008 campaign by Larry Sinclair…” May 24, 2010 — SPECIAL REPORT. Obama and Emanuel: members of same gay bath house club in Chicago;
    Second we have me meeting with film maker T. Patrick Murray (The Last Game) yesterday and today to set a filming schedule for a documentary on the Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder story. The film is to be complete by September;
    and finally,
    a conservative radio talk show will report the story this week as well.
    It has been said repeatedly, “truth will prevail,” and “I am confident in the end I will be vindicated!”
    doctorate Says:
    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/05/31/who-is-edward-davis-and-why-doesnt-he-get-parking-tickets-in-chicago/#comments
    May 31, 2010 at 5:37 pm
    Breaking: FL 24th District Congressional write-in Candidate Larry Sinclair is asking why immediately upon landing in Chicago this weekend, B.O. met with U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.
    Additionally, Larry states he has been contacted by documentarian T. Patrick Murray about his well-known 1999 encounters with Barack Obama. They have met and set up a film shoot to tell the tale depicted in Larry’s Amazon top-100 best-selling novel.
    Finally, a conservative radio station is said to be ready to discuss next week the various allegations circulating about Obama’s sexual meanderings.
    http://tinyurl.com/296hs3n

  125. Jacqlyn Smith

    amy1…..More great info on the research of Dodge and Dunn…

    http://centre.telemanage.ca/links.nsf/articles/880A1F945B104CA2852568EB004BF7BC

    http://www.amendment-13.org/chronology.html

    http://www.pushhamburger.com/13th_ame.htm

    YES VIRGINIA, THERE IS A RATIFICATION

    After examining Dodge’s evidence of multiple publications of the “missing” Amendment, Sen. Mitchell and Mr. Hartgrove conceded the Amendment had been published by several states and was ratified by twelve of the seventeen states in the Union in 1810. However, because the Constitution requires that three-quarters of the states vote to ratify an Amendment. Mitchell and Hartgrove insisted that the Thirteenth Amendment was published in error because it was passed by only twelve, not thirteen States. Dodge investigated which seventeen states were in the Union at the time the Amendment was proposed, which states had ratified, which states had rejected the amendment, and determined that the issue hung on whether one last state (Virginia) had or had not, voted to ratify.

    After several years of searching the Virginia state archive, Dodge made a crucial discovery: In Spring of 1991, he found a misplaced copy of the 1819 Virginia Civil Code which included the “missing” Thirteenth Amendment. Dodge notes that, curiously, “There is no public record that shows this book [the 1819 Virginia Civil Code] exists. It is not catalogued as a holding of the Library of Congress nor is it in the National Union Catalogue. Neither the state law library nor the law school in Portland were able to find any trace that this book exists in any of their computer programs.”

    (1) Dodge sent photo-copies of the 1819 Virginia Civil Code to Sen. Mitchell and Mr. Hartgrove, and explained that, “Under legislative construction, it is considered prima facie evidence that what is published as the official acts of the legislature are the official acts.” By publishing the Amendment as ratified in an official publication, Virginia demonstrated: 1) that they knew they were the last state whose vote was necessary to ratify this Thirteenth Amendment; 2) that they had voted to ratify the Amendment; and 3) that they were publishing the Amendment in a special edition of their Civil Code as an official notice to the world that the Amendment had indeed been ratified.

    Dodge concluded, “Unless there is competing evidence to the contrary, it must be held that the Constitution of the United States was officially amended to exclude from its body of citizens any who accepted or claimed a title of nobility or accepted any special favors. Foremost in this category of ex-citizens are bankers and lawyers.”

  126. michelle.. The accident didnt involve any injuries

  127. truth, Since when am I involved with Leo in a pattern? You obviously have not been reading my posts which is fine, but where do you get that impression. I have been open to discussion and kitty and K.S, plus others have been helpful

  128. This is an excellent article Aristotle posted. We in FL will be among next, and I have seen quite a few immigration raids in the suburbs in IL over the years-due to O’Hare a convenient entry point.
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/
    Americans Favor Border Security And Arizona Law
    Naples Tea Party
    By Barry Willoughby
    In a despicable display bordering treason and dereliction of duty, some elected officials in Washington gave a standing ovation to the President of Mexico who urged our political leaders not to enforce U.S. immigration laws. The new law in Arizona includes, almost in verbatim, the same language as the federal law. American sovereignty and the rule of law is apparently the last thing on the minds of progressives, as they would place the rights of illegal’s over national security and the Constitution.
    This journalist did her due diligence and buried her nose as an objective reporter into the FACTS she found below. Her research led to several states and she concluded it was representative of America as a whole if Illegals moved back to where they came from.
    (more)

  129. How will I know the answers if I do not ask the questions? Free does NOT have the answers. His is only ONE side. I need both.

  130. amy1 @ 9:34 pm
    Thanks Amy-glad no one was hurt just loud I suppose -see this for your next Tea Party meeting.

  131. amy1 @ 9:34 pm
    oops the article from the Steady Drip Michelle // May 31, 2010 at 9:37 pm

  132. Michelle.. OK.. Thanks

  133. kittycat // May 31, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    Yep.

    Proof positive that o. remains indisputably the NON.

  134. I read this comment at: http://www.OilForImmigration.org
    regarding the Serial Criminal Con-Man Barack Obama Crime Spree Sestak Cover-Up subject:

    “JonahVark // May 29, 2010 at 5:56 pm:

    This is the same Bill Clinton who was impeached because of perjury, obstruction of justice, and malfeasance in office?!?!

    And he is supposed to be credible?”

    # # # #

  135. Re: Michelle // May 31, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    There is an Excellent Article written by the author Dr. Kate about this subject called, “Third Continental Congress on Calderon’s Speech to Congress” here:

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/third-continental-congress-on-calderons-speech-to-congress/#more-3444

    # # # #

    Dr. Kate writes many informative and excellent articles and you can find them at her web site above. I encourage people to visit her web site often to read more information and to involved with the Constitutional work she is doing.

  136. A new article at WND….

    Poll shocker! Majority wants Obama records
    Maintain president should be chased from office if he doesn’t come clean

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=159317

    Our latest polling shows a majority of Americans – 55 percent – want Obama to release all records relating to his childhood and his education, including college records, Harvard Law School papers, passport records, travel records, and other similar documentation,” he said.

    “Asked what should be done should it be found that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be president, 59 percent said he should be removed from office, and 35 percent said all bills signed into law by Obama should be repealed,” he said.

    The poll said when asked about whether Obama’s background documentation – the school records, birth records and others – should be released, the 55 percent who said yes included more than 82 percent of the GOP, 55 percent of independents and nearly 28 percent of Democrats.

    Further, another 17.1 percent of Americans said Obama should release some of his documentation, making it nearly three in four Americans who want the president to unlock the steel door on some or all of his background information.

  137. tennbrock.. Sooner or later, Obama HAS to release his records.. People are waking up. He cannot get away with his arrogance forever.

  138. Starla, Everyone of those dems in congress who aplauded Calderones speech should be impeached for treason

  139. *applauded

  140. tennbrock // May 31, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Okay, here is an interesting article about Dodge and Dunn, if anyone is interested….

    http://www.quatloos.com/13th_amendement.htm
    ***************************
    Thanks so much for that reference, Tennbrock.
    Apart from all of the amendment issues, what leaves me “cold” are the fantastic, unrealistic expectations that are promised by a few leaders in “high” places. Eliminating personal debt, eliminating all income and property taxes, making arrangements with other countries, such as China, etc., to reduce or eliminate debt, large benefactors willing to give huge sums of money to help America, etc., etc., are all unreal. When I see it, then I’ll believe it. Oh, lest I forget, the Supreme Court and the military are all “on board.” (I have a bridge I’d like to sell.)

    Has any independent verification been done by anyone or are folks just taking the word of someone they believe with all of their hearts – someone who has added a great touch of religion to their message? Everyone has to judge this for one’s self.

  141. cabby.. Makes me wonder too. Also I have trouble believing that anyone outside of our country would want to save America… I wish I had all the answers.. Also, those prosperity pkgs were suppose to arrive decades ago.

  142. Again, no evidence of ratification; none of denial.

    However, on March 10, 1819, the Virginia legislature passed Act No. 280 (Virginia Archives of Richmond, “misc.’ file, p. 299 for micro-film): “Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that there shall be published an edition of the Laws of this Commonwealth in which shall be contained the following matters, that is to say: the Constitution of the united States and the amendments thereto…” This act was the specific legislated instructions on what was, by law, to be included in the re-publication (a special edition) of the Virginia Civil Code. The Virginia Legislature had already agreed that all Acts were to go into effect on the same day — the day that the Act to re-publish the Civil Code was enacted. Therefore, the Thirteenth Amendment’s official date of ratification would be the date of re-publication of the Virginia Civil Code: March 12, 1819.

    The Delegates knew Virginia was the last of the 13 States that were necessary for the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment. They also knew there were powerful forces allied against this ratification so they took extraordinary measures to make sure that it was published in sufficient quantity (4,000 copies were ordered, almost triple their usual order), and instructed the printer to send a copy to President James Monroe as well as James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. (The printer, Thomas Ritchie, was bonded. He was required to be extremely accurate in his research and his printing, or he would forfeit his bond.)

    In this fashion, Virginia announced the ratification: by publication and dissemination of the Thirteenth Amendment of the Constitution.

    There is question as to whether Virginia ever formally notified the Secretary of State that they had ratified this Thirteenth Amendment. Some have argued that because such notification was not received (or at least, not recorded), the Amendment was therefore not legally ratified. However, printing by a legislature is prima facie evidence of ratification. Further, there is no Constitutional requirement that the Secretary of State, or anyone else, be officially notified to complete the ratification process. The Constitution only requires that three- fourths of the states ratify for an Amendment to be added to the Constitution. If three-quarters of the states ratify, the Amendment is passed. Period. The Constitution is otherwise silent on what procedure should be used to announce, confirm, or communicate the ratification of amendments.

    Knowing they were the last state necessary to ratify the Amendment, the Virginians had every right announce their own and the nation’s ratification of the Amendment by publishing it on a special edition of the Constitution, and so they did.

    Word of Virginia’s 1819 ratification spread throughout the States and both Rhode Island and Kentucky published the new Amendment in 1822. Ohio first published in 1824. Maine ordered 10,000 copies of the Constitution with the Thirteenth Amendment to be printed for use in the schools in 1825, and again in 1831 for their Census Edition. Indiana Revised Laws of 1831 published the Thirteenth Article on p. 20. Northwestern Territories published in 1833. Ohio published in 1831 and 1833. Then came the Wisconsin Territory in 1839; Iowa Territory in 1843; Ohio again, in 1848; Kansas Statutes in 1855; and Nebraska Territory six times in a row from 1855 to 1860.

    So far, David Dodge has identified eleven different states or territories that printed the Amendment in twenty separate publications over forty-one years. And more editions including this Thirteenth Amendment are sure to be discovered. Clearly, Dodge is onto something.

    You might be able to convince some of the people, or maybe even all of them, for a little while, that this Thirteenth Amendment was never ratified. Maybe you can show them that the ten legislatures which ordered it published eighteen times we’ve discovered (so far) consisted of ignorant politicians who don’t know their amendments from their… ahh, articles. You might even be able to convince the public that our forefathers never meant to “outlaw” public servants who pushed people around, accepted bribes or special favors to “look the other way.” Maybe. But before you do, there’s an awful lot of evidence to be explained.

    http://www.pushhamburger.com/13th_ame.htm

  143. Free Speech


    “what leaves me “cold” are the fantastic, unrealistic expectations that are promised by a few leaders in “high” places. Eliminating personal debt, eliminating all income and property taxes, making arrangements with other countries, such as China, etc., to reduce or eliminate debt, large benefactors willing to give huge sums of money to help America, etc., etc., are all unreal. When I see it, then I’ll believe it. Oh, lest I forget, the Supreme Court and the military are all “on board.” (I have a bridge I’d like to sell.)”

    Cabby, it is hard to believe anyone buys this RAP NONSENSE.

  144. Also, If it is true that all 50 governors bonds were arrested, why are the govs still there in office?

  145. amy1 // May 31, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    “cabby.. Makes me wonder too. Also I have trouble believing that anyone outside of our country would want to save America… I wish I had all the answers.. Also, those prosperity pkgs were suppose to arrive decades ago.”
    *****************************
    In all honesty, one can’t help but wonder. Another thing, secrecy is the order of the day, because as is explained, the plan has to be kept under raps. I understand the logic there, but just who is going to be taking charge? I mean, believing the word of a number of sincere people who do not agree apparently from time to time, would give me great pause. I do not denigrate anyone who believes in RAP but can see some major, major problems with it.

  146. Starla @ 10:20 pm
    Thanks I have been at drkates many times, she is the lady who jbjd has the great interviews with. The interviews that are 90 minutes but she like 5. They are so interesting. Learned a lot.

  147. Side Notes…..

    Obama rained out at Lincoln National Cemetery. Also, Obama(?) had a flat tire upon leaving, then was held up in traffic by an overturned vehicle.

    What a day for Barry, Me think someone was sending Barry a message!

    Second side note…

    Barry declares June Lesbian, Gay, bi-Sexual, and Transgender PRIDE month!

    What a great President!!!

  148. Side Notes…..

    Obama rained out at Lincoln National Cemetery. Also, Obama(?) had a flat tire upon leaving, then was held up in traffic by an overturned vehicle.

    What a day for Barry, Me think someone was sending Barry a message!

    Second side note…

    Barry declares June Lesbian, Gay, bi-Sexual, and Transgender PRIDE month!

    What a great President we have!!!

  149. amy1 @10:31 pm
    I mean this in the kindest way possible: I think Obama went from arrogant to totally deranged. The reason is he has gotten away with so much, his entire life by the way, that like an alcoholic he did not know when to quit. He has hit that illusive rock bottom.

  150. cabby.. I dont wish to criticise anyone either for believing in R.A.P… I respect their right and can surely understand the hope that it gives to them in getting our republic restored.. I realy appreciated it when Kitty, JS and others answered my questions today.

  151. Michelle. I agree. He has hit rock bottom. He makes me think of humpty-dumpty. He isnt going to be able to pick up the pieces.

  152. hapnHal @ 11:05 pm
    and for July
    how about legal American citizens who support our Constitutional Republic month?

  153. cabby, All those promises of eliminating taxes and personal debt reminds me of those people, after obama won, stating their morgages, and gas were going to be paid for.

  154. http://www.breitbart.tv/upside-down-flag-stirs-controversy-in-florida-neighborhood/
    Upside-Down Flag Stirs Controversy in Florida Neighborhood

  155. Those people realy believed Obama was going to give them free everything.. Now we are to believe that “PLAN” is going to do that very same thing?

  156. amy1 @ 11:15 pm
    The first time I heard an Obama supporter saying that I went into shock. I could not imagine anyone would be believe that. Like the hillbuzz guys article the day after Obamacare was passed by any stealthy method necessary and the people were calling the next day for their “free” care. They could not understand that if this law is not struck down it is 4 years away.

  157. Michelle. I sure hope it gets repealed. If not, we are going to lose lots of doctors.

  158. If it goes into effect, there will be many many more people clogging the doctor offices at every runny nose, and many many LESS doctors available to fill in the void.

  159. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // May 31, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Thank you for the common sense approach and explanation.
    Ditto.
    *Random rant warning*
    I also want to thank GOD for allowing Greg to have a blog…It has become very apparent why some people spend so much time on their computers. It’s difficult to nurture and/or maintain friendship(s) when you treat people like (they are less than stupid) DIRT isn’t it?
    TYVM.

    I sincerely hope you all enjoyed your Memorial Day weekend.

    There’s a storm a brewin’ and ain’t no RAP Group or Rock Star gonna save US!
    We must save ourselves!
    Collectively, of course.

  160. amy1 @ 11:28 pm
    Thank goodness for apple cider vinegar and honey. When my neighbor gets a cold I do a tablespoon with her sore throat, one swig and that puppy is cured.

  161. Michelle. When I was little in a very poor family, my dad use to give me the worst homemade dose of butter mixed with ginger and sugar for a cold. I dont know if it killed my cold, but to this day I am unable to eat butter.. It makes me instantly vomit. lol..

  162. amy1 @ 11:28 pm You will appreciate the irony and satire in this piece.
    http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/4098/85/
    While discussing the upcoming rationing of health care under ObamaCare with my sister-in-law the other day, I think we have found the solution.
    I am sure you have heard the ideas that if you’re a senior you need to suck it up and give up the idea that you need any health care.
    A new hip? Unheard of. We simply can’t afford to take care of you anymore. You don’t need any medications for your high blood pressure, diabetes, heart problems, etc. Let’s take care of the young people. After all, they will be ruling the world very soon.
    So here is the solution.
    When you turn 70, you get a gun and 3 bullets.
    You are allowed to shoot one Senator and two Congressmen.
    Of course, you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head and all the health care you need! New teeth, great! Need glasses, no problem! New hip, knee, kidney, lung, heart?
    Well, bring it on.
    And who will be paying for all of this?
    The same government that just told you that you are too old for health care.
    With all the seniors gathered there, it will be just like a nursing home — only free.
    And, since you are a prisoner, you don’t have to pay any income tax.
    How’s that for a politically correct, pragmatic solution??
    Happy hunting…
    Maxine

  163. Michelle.. LOL. Thats a good one. I will have to remember to tell that at the tea party

  164. amy1 @ 11:36 pm
    I’m from a big family too and you only went to the doctor for dire emergencies. Pepto-Bismal, could not stand the smell, I just looked at it and got cured. I don’t think I could ever get it down.
    I can’t stand to look at that shade of pink either.

  165. amy1 @ 11:40 pm
    What a sick joke the taxpayers who paid into the system all their lives, who pay for illegal aliens, criminals-in jail or on the streets are the very last to receive care. How much sense does that make? No wonder the birth of Tea Parties.

  166. Michelle. Thats right. Things have gotten entirely out of hand. When handing out pamphlets for the tea party couple weeks ago, I had a retired gentleman break down in tears while telling me he lost all his retirement plus benifits. He almost had me in tears also.

  167. amy1 @ 11:40 pm
    Now I’m convinced he’s totally lost it. He can’t even keep his “fake” countries straight in his own mind. He’s so confused/addled.
    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
    O Cancels Memorial literally and figuratively to those “who made the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of their country”
    Uh, whose country? Brother Obama’s latest slip of the foreign tongue.

  168. I didnt see that on Atlas.. An article there about emergence of western Islam is there.

  169. amy1 @ 11:47 pm
    There are forensic accountants who will track this materical, some of this is absolute criminal activity. Among other things we will restore fiscal and moral integrity to all systems. Irving Picard is working on the Madoff scam, the more of these that they do, the better they get. I’m hoping the folks get half or better of their money back.

  170. amy1 @ 11:56 pm
    go down a little further.

  171. Hi amy & Michelle

  172. Michelle. I cant find it.

  173. Hi Lurker.. Did you have an OK memorial weekend?

  174. It’s the fourth article down in red.

  175. Lurker @ 11:57 pm
    Hi Lurker-good Memorial Day?

  176. amy, it was quiet and hot. 91 degrees
    How about you?

  177. Hi Michelle, yeah it was good, hot and quiet. lol How was yours?

  178. Lurker @ 12:01 am
    Hot and humid here in FL, I don’t know what the temperature got to.

  179. Michelle.. TY. I found it. Nothing Obama does or says anymore surprises me.

  180. ok… Got wound care to do in morning… nite Michelle and Lurker and anyone else here.

  181. Hey Michelle & amy,

    I saw this and thought you might be interested in buying the collection.

    http://tinyurl.com/2dfgbvw

  182. amy1 @ 12:03 am
    I’m seeing more mental confusion than normal even for him. He has to get reprogrammed for his “story”, he’s forgetting parts of it. Obama you’re supposed to be pretending that you are an American to be specific an NBC American. He’s so confused or setting up a temporary insanity defense, but in his case it’s permanent.

  183. Lurker @ 12:06 am
    Gross, the hillbuzz guys are always teasing about her, they call her FLOTUS. They do a piece on her class v/s crass, comparing her with unspoiled hardworking First Ladies. Michele is not doing well when compared with other First Ladies. They don’t like her at all, because she was so obnoxious on the streets of Chicago. Made everyone jump off the sidewalks-“I’m the Senator’s Wife” no one was impressed. Offended yes, impressed not hardly.

  184. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index
    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=253PiA7zIl4
    Jon Voight calls out Obama
    Monday, May 31, 2010 11:40:04 PM · by Kevin in California · 9 replies · 878+ views
    youtube ^ | 05-31-10 | Kevin in California
    God Bless you Jon. We will prevail indeed.

  185. BO has a plan. Don’t fall into his trap!

    Obama: First U.S. President to hold Press Conference without the American Flags Present.
    Posted on 05/28/2010 2:30:07 AM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
    Did anybody notice at President Obama’s Press Conference on the Deep Water Horizon disaster than something was missing in the background? I noticed something didn’t look right and then it hit me. The American Flags was missing behind. Why? Behind him was just yellow curtains, and a couple of gold columns with chandeliers.
    I went and researched and looked at all photos of many press conferences (not press briefings) of past presidents as far as I could go and low and behold the American Flags stood proudly behind the President or off to the side. What was the reason for this? This was Obama’s first formal press conference since July of 09 which at that conference were U.S. Flags present. I am pretty sure this time that they had plenty of time to plan this and get it right?
    So, maybe there was another motive for the flags absence. We know Obama (or his handlers) carefully choreograph his image, his appearances… It’s why he’s so teleprompter-dependent. Surely he and his advisers know that flag issues have been a lightning rod — even before he was elected. I think this was deliberate. Could it be that Obama really is ashamed of America? Could it be that he thinks he is the citizen of the world which has no flag? Ladies and gentlemen this is very disturbing coming from the office of the Presidency. This is not normal to not have the symbol of the United States and its government in the east room of the White House and it is not very Presidential either. Many patriotic brave men and women have died under the stars and stripes called old glory. This fiasco coupled with the President skipping the laying of the Wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington Cemetary this Memorial Day speaks volumes of the man (or Usurper) that sits in the Oval Office. What say you?

  186. Michelle // June 1, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Michelle

    I can’t stand her either. Those dolls are a rip off anyway. Not one of them is wearing that eight inch divers belt!

  187. hapnHal @ 12:29 am
    He has never been connected to the American people never will. He doesn’t even bother with pretense anymore, that or they have gotten sloppier. Too many issues since he darkened America’s doorstep by coming on the scene, none of his fiction makes sense. Not one word.

  188. Lurker @ 12:29 am
    In a way I feel sorry for Michelle, they keep trying to make her into something she isn’t. When they put her into something very simple, she can look very nice. The person who does her make-up is an artist. They should just let her be herself and quit trying to ram the woman down people’s throats.

  189. BO is up to something, don’t fall for it!

    Obama: First U.S. President to hold Press Conference without the American Flags Present.
    Posted on 05/28/2010 2:30:07 AM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
    Did anybody notice at President Obama’s Press Conference on the Deep Water Horizon disaster than something was missing in the background? I noticed something didn’t look right and then it hit me. The American Flags was missing behind. Why? Behind him was just yellow curtains, and a couple of gold columns with chandeliers.
    I went and researched and looked at all photos of many press conferences (not press briefings) of past presidents as far as I could go and low and behold the American Flags stood proudly behind the President or off to the side. What was the reason for this? This was Obama’s first formal press conference since July of 09 which at that conference were U.S. Flags present. I am pretty sure this time that they had plenty of time to plan this and get it right?
    So, maybe there was another motive for the flags absence. We know Obama (or his handlers) carefully choreograph his image, his appearances… It’s why he’s so teleprompter-dependent. Surely he and his advisers know that flag issues have been a lightning rod — even before he was elected. I think this was deliberate. Could it be that Obama really is ashamed of America? Could it be that he thinks he is the citizen of the world which has no flag? Ladies and gentlemen this is very disturbing coming from the office of the Presidency. This is not normal to not have the symbol of the United States and its government in the east room of the White House and it is not very Presidential either. Many patriotic brave men and women have died under the stars and stripes called old glory. This fiasco coupled with the President skipping the laying of the Wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington Cemetary this Memorial Day speaks volumes of the man (or Usurper) that sits in the Oval Office. What say you?

  190. Sorry for double post. Thought it wasn’t sent.

  191. Reading today’s notes here. Not sure about the surprise comments on the original 13th amendment. The topic was discussed several weeks ago on CW.

    It really upsets the lawyer types, FS and CC(fubo) cause they are protected under the CORP. I believe RAP has returned to the original 13th, just gonna take a little time to get all the lawyers and congressmen/women who are lawyers also Hardee’s or Donkin Donut’s franchises.

    All amendments, 14th and after are void.

    Oh, women still get to vote.

  192. Sorry for double post….

  193. Citizen Don in California

    http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?doc=19&page=transcript

    Transcript of Marbury v. Madison (1803)

    Chief Justice Marshall delivered the opinion of the Court.

    The judicial power of the United States is extended to all cases arising under the constitution

    The oath of office, too, imposed by the legislature, is completely demonstrative of the legislative opinion on this subject. It is in these words: “I do solemnly swear that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich; and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent on me as _____, according to the best of my abilities and understanding, agreeably to the constitution, and laws of the United States.” Why does a Judge swear to discharge his duties agreeably the constitution of the United States, if that constitution forms no rule for his government? If it is closed upon him, and cannot be inspected by him?
    //////////////////////////////////////////////
    According to this, the Courts have jurisdiction over obama’s eligibility. After all, it is a question of his Natural Born Citizen status that is in the Constitution.

  194. Citizen Don in California

    As for the current 13th Amendment…. did the Southern states also vote to ratify??? Or were they excluded due to the war in 1865??? Did they “really” get 3/4 of the states to ratify???

  195. Good Morning! I totally missed this.

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=48778&letter_id=5264198406&content_dir=congressorg

    Obama Threatens 14 US Governors With Immediate Arrest for the crime of treason.

    To:
    President Barack Obama
    Rep. Bobby Scott
    Sen. Jim Webb
    Sen. Mark Warner

    May 27, 2010

    Obama Threatens 14 US Governors With Immediate Arrest
    Posted by Europe

    A chilling report from the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) prepared for Prime Minister Putin warns today that United States President Barack Obama has had served on 14 US Governors National Security Letters (NSLs) warning that if their actions in attempting to form what are called State Defense Forces are not halted they will face “immediate” arrest for the crime of treason.

    …..

  196. Free Speech

    j.b. // May 31, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // May 31, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Thank you for the common sense approach and explanation.
    Ditto.
    *Random rant warning*
    I also want to thank GOD for allowing Greg to have a blog…It has become very apparent why some people spend so much time on their computers. It’s difficult to nurture and/or maintain friendship(s) when you treat people like (they are less than stupid) DIRT isn’t it?
    TYVM.

    I sincerely hope you all enjoyed your Memorial Day weekend.

    There’s a storm a brewin’ and ain’t no RAP Group or Rock Star gonna save US!
    We must save ourselves!
    Collectively, of course.
    **************************************
    As Patriots unite in groups of 25 and form Grand Juries we can save our Country one Countyat a time .

  197. ms. helga // June 1, 2010 at 7:44 am

    “Obama Threatens 14 US Governors With Immediate Arrest for the crime of treason.”

    OK Folks the race is on – Do we prove the USURPER is ineligible BEFORE THE USURPER illegally arrests the 14 Governors?
    ****************************
    I tried to access the article cited by Zach Jones and the page is blank, except for Warner’s picture. It must have been scrubbed?

  198. A MUST SEE VIDEO:

    “Nomination FRAUD”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WB3HfkfjmA&feature=player_embedded

    # # # #

    William Wagener exposes the George Soros plant Damon Dunn’s nomination fraud.

    The George Soros Plant Damon Dunn in California MUST be Removed Immediately for 100% committing NOMINATION FRAUD, BALLOT FRAUD, and ELECTION FRAUD IMMEDIATELY.

    Sec. of State Bowen, and Gov. Brown should answer this Immediately for the safety of the people of California’s elections are being assaulted by the Illegal Candidate Damon Dunn.

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