Blagojevich trial, Update, April 22, 2010, Judge James Zagel criticizes Blagojevich, Zagel unhappy with defense team, The only person who can admit evidence is me

Blagojevich trial, Update, April 22, 2010, Judge James Zagel criticizes Blagojevich

From The Christian Science Monitor

“Judge in Rod Blagojevich case takes the former governor to task”

“Former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich tried to use a hearing in federal court Wednesday to confront his nemesis in his pending June trial: US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.
Mr. Blagojevich had angrily described the federal prosecutor as a “liar” late Tuesday, challenging him through local television cameras to “be man enough to be in court” the next day.

Mr. Fitzgerald did not show. But US District Judge James Zagel told Blagojevich and his lawyers that he was unhappy with the combative nature of the defense. His courtroom would not “permit the legal equivalent of head butts,” he said.

“Those rules are enforced by the referee, not by the boxers. I am that referee – no one else,” Judge Zagel said.”

“Zagel criticized the former governor for repeated remarks in the media about prosecutors suppressing wiretaps that Blagojevich says, if aired, would reveal a “smoking gun” pointing at his innocence.”

“Zagel made it clear that it wasn’t up to the prosecution team regarding what would be allowed in the trial. Rather, the admittance of all evidence is under Zagel’s domain. “The only person who can admit evidence is me,” he said.

He gave Blagojevich’s legal team until May 14 to provide a list of all the tapes it wants played at the trial. But he warned that he would monitor whether the requested tapes were relevant to the case so that jurors aren’t “needlessly consumed” by evidence that has no bearing on the trial.”

Read more:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0421/Judge-in-Rod-Blagojevich-case-takes-the-former-governor-to-task

195 responses to “Blagojevich trial, Update, April 22, 2010, Judge James Zagel criticizes Blagojevich, Zagel unhappy with defense team, The only person who can admit evidence is me

  1. citizenwells

    Keep the faith.

  2. You too, Mr. Wells. God Bless America!

  3. Thanks, CW for keeping us up to date on Blagojevich’s trial. One is hearing nothing – zilch –
    on televised media, at least not much, if anything.

    May the truth prevail.

  4. O/T (addressing a comment on a previous thread)

    magna carta // April 21, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I JUST POSTED THIS AT LA Times .com.They are exhibiting incredible stupidity as usual.

    The writer here has no clue about law.States can regulate their own elections and requirements for being given permission to be placed on the states ballots.Read more with the incredible work of a DEMOCRAT LAW PROFESSOR (google jbjd+ states elections laws)…
    ********************************************
    I am not a law professor; and I am not a Democrat.

  5. truthbetold11

    this trial is a distraction for the set up of the falsed flag never look in the same direction as team obama

  6. Just catching while I am on the left coast, cold and rainy, Stop Global COOLING now!!!

    If you are worried about the OFA thing then go to a meeting and find out what is going on. I don’t think it is a big deal. Their comment section is scarce compared with this one and all the proceeds from the $25 T shirts go to the DNC…

  7. God watch over and protect Rev. Manning. He just described the CIA as “a vicious and destructive organization”

  8. Al @ 9:28PM

    Bringing this over, Al.
    ********************************
    SueK // April 21, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Saw your comment earlier but had to attend to a pressing matter, so couldn’t respond immediately, but wanted to come back and honor your post with a follow up before turning in. Amid a sea of NY and Ontario license plates earlier today on the Peace Bridge was a lone white car bearing a Massachusetts plate (immediately thought of you, the moonbats, your pet name–Cadillac– for your Governor, etc). Craned my neck/squinted my eyes, etc. to read the state motto as the other motorist jockeyed in line, waiting to pass through customs. Thankfully, a dark SUV obstructing my view changed lanes and the inscription “The Spirit of America” was now clearly visible.

    o and his handlers may seem to have the advantage for now, but somehow I trust the spirit of the American people will eventually pull out a miraculous victory for the home team. Keep the spirit, SueK. It’s time to reset the table.
    ************************************
    Thanks for the good thoughts, Al :).

    Ah, the famous lone MA caah! I’m surprised that the caption on the plate didn’t read ‘In Cod We Trust.’ I think they abandoned that one, for some reason.

    Yes, I, too believe that the American spirit will prevail! We’ve had our backs to the wall many times, but nothing as serious as having a dangerous usurper in the White House.

    When we win, it will be cause for a massive celebration all over America!

    I’m so looking forward to that day!

    G’night.

  9. The interview with Rev. Manning was amazing. He is bringing out truth about Obama that he feels the mainstream media is going to have to cover in some way. His courage gives me hope!

    More of us need to sense the call to action.

  10. I was channel surfing when I heard the term “birther”. Anderson Cooper was doing some birther bashing tonight. CNN is in an uproar with the Arizona eligibility law that has passed one house and is to be voted on by the senate.
    While arguing with the Arizona representative, Anderson Cooper just stretched the truth a little. He declared the misinformation that BO was registered as a foreign exchange student was an April fool’s joke. The email was a hoax but noone has given us information to prove the statement itself is false. They talked about the declarations by Dr. Fukino but neglected to mention how Hawaii is breaking the law by ignoring the Freedom of Information Acts. Their misinformation and evasion of the truth is despicable. Calling people stupid is childish.
    Lt. Col Lakin is in my prayers. Kerchner and Apuzzo have the facts. We must have the truth. Thank you for providing a site where we can recive unfiltered information.

  11. I’ve always wondered, if no one has standing to question BHO’s eligibility, how did they come up with standing to question McCain’s?

  12. Jacqlyn Smith

    OMG….The FRAUD and Mrs. FRAUD were just on American Idol…..PUKE!!!!

  13. If you are worried about the OFA thing then go to a meeting and find out what is going on. I don’t think it is a big deal. Their comment section is scarce compared with this one and all the proceeds from the $25 T shirts go to the DNC…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Great idea…..my thoughts too..I checked and there are only 2 in Ky……not near either, but guessing not much happening there…we’re a RED state.

  14. Regarding the corporation and the 13th amendment.

    The website at the following link is a must see archive of documented and referenced information on the subject.

    http://www.amendment-13.org/

    I have not read it all but…

    Everyone should mark this in your “bookmarks” or “favorites” and do a little studying.

  15. I tried writing in the comments section on CNN but they said the comments were closed. I am thinking they didn’t like what I had written.

  16. This website and info should go viral!

    http://www.amendment-13.org/

  17. ms. helga // April 21, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    God watch over and protect Rev. Manning. He just described the CIA as “a vicious and destructive organization”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    KNow what?? I think of them as Bill and Hillary’s backup!!

  18. Brjam,

    Try this one: http://www.usavsus.org

  19. Does anyone have the latest on Oklahoma getting satutes to set up militias??

    Don’t get excited–Dr. Vieira says not only does the constitution mandate state militias, it orders each state to maintain militias for protection from other states….

    HOwever, with the current environment, it’s not Tennessee and Indiana I’m worried about—a little humor there for those who still have a sense of humor w. the village ***** in the W.H.

  20. Rocknee,

    Thanks I book marked that one for reading tomorrow.

  21. So Obama should be bounced just for chairing the UN based on the 13th amendment.

  22. Linda from NY @ 9:15 pm
    Of course I had to watch Criminal Minds tonight and scare my little self. It’s so horrible. New hit series-Hollywood go for it.
    Constitutional Crimes-by Political Minds
    a series about crimes against the Constitution
    boy would everybody know the Constitution and their rights from this new series-examples torn from todays headlines.
    The new Great Debates-Challenge
    10 random members from the Tea Party v/s Obama, Pelosi Bauer, and 7 others you pick. We will see who knows their Constitutional law-the non criminal kind of Constitutional Law.
    DC-WE THE PEOLE are coming for you, insult away it just helps grow. Remember there is no insult so bad or so low, that we will not take for our Constitution.

  23. There are many reasons why BHO should be ousted.

    The original 13th amendment mysteriously ceased to be published and was replaced. The original 13th amendment would also take away the citizenship of every attorney that passed the BAR and received the title of “Esquire”

    Just check out the web site,

    http://www.amendment-13.org/

  24. Maybe that is why he got disbarred to be eligible under the organic Constitution 13th amendment. Guess he didnt think Article II was that important!!

  25. http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    Al Gore’s insistence that global warming is “settled science” has been used to defend claims humanity is on the edge of destroying the world. Now author Brian Sussman, whose book “Climategate” is being released Thursday – Earth Day – agrees it’s “settled,” as a scam.
    Sussman unveils in his book evidence that the move to restrict carbon-dioxide emissions, tax a multitude of energy programs and create a “Big Brother” that would limit household energy use, among other programs, is a move to give government unlimited control over people.
    National Public Radio reported in 2007 how Gore took his “climate-change crusade” to Congress and said the science on the issue was “settled.” Then in 2009 the Environmental Protection Agency declared carbon dioxide and other emissions are endangering the future of the world.
    (more)

  26. Jacqlyn Smith @ 11:02 pm
    He must really be sinking in the polls.

  27. Brjam…how many would have voted for a man who helped his cousin command the slaughter of innocents in church— men, women, children??

    I can’t reference the article, but I read that someone reported a certain senator’s email said…….(paraphrasing)…

    “you know what to do if you lose…take your militia and start riots in the streets”….

    He did more than start riots…..he murdered Christians while they were worshiping God.

    Man, how can he even look himself in the mirror…..this POS has no soul.

  28. Every Obot should be confronted with the above information–face to face with conservative voters, voters who didn’t choose the thief.

  29. SueK-Linda from NY
    I want to go on record with this statement. Anyone who passes laws based on science this bogus, flawed, fraudulent have got to be among the most stupid human beings on the planet, if not out-right crooks.
    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    All of Obama’s and Gore’s happy lies our costing this country a fortune and that’s before the stupidity is even implemented.
    Among the scandals listed are:
    •ClimateGate: The scandal over the Climatic Research Unit e-mails from East Anglia.
    •FOIGate: In which British officials are investigating whether East Anglia scientists refused to follow that nation’s freedom-of-information law about their work.
    •ChinaGate: In which dozens of weather monitoring stations in rural China apparently have simply disappeared. This would lead to higher temperature averages since city levels frequently are warmer.
    •HimalayaGate: In which an Indian climate official admitted in January that he falsely claimed Himalayan glaciers would melt away by 2035 to prod governments into action.
    •And PachauriGates I and II, SternGates I and II, AmazonGate (in which a claim that global warming would wipe out rain forests was exposed as a fraud), PeerReviewGate, RussianGate I and II and nearly a dozen others.
    Texas officials also have filed a lawsuit accusing the federal government of using “tainted” information to arrive at the EPA conclusion and it asks that the EPA’s decisions be set aside. Virginia’s attorney general, Ken Cuccinelli, also filed a petition demanding the EPA reconsider its greenhouse-gas finding.
    The scientific community actually is anything but unanimous on climate change.
    The disunity is documented by the Petition Project, launched some 10 years ago when the first few thousand signatures were gathered. The effort by Art Robinson, a research professor of chemistry and cofounder of the Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine in 1973, now lists tens of thousands of qualified scientists who endorse the following statement:

    There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

  30. Kim – You make an excellent point: (10:56PM)

    “I’ve always wondered, if no one has standing to question BHO’s eligibility, how did they come up with standing to question McCain’s?”
    ***************************************
    Wasn’t it the Congress that required proof of McCain’s eligibility? Why didn’t they require that of Obama??

    The problem with “standing” has arisen since court cases have been presented. In other words, the judges have ruled that the plaintiffs did not have standing. To me, that is the difference, but certainly does not excuse Congress from doing its duty.

  31. truthbetold11

    The pope went to malta, hum why? doing a little homework i found that man this whole world is controlled by the knights of malta! they control everything, the people involeved are the highest level, these people are pure evil when it comes to ruling class.

  32. I just found a paper copy of this article, I believe it was scrubbed from the net:

    Ill. governor meeting with Obama today
    By Carol Sowers
    Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

    Chicago, ILL. –Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

    That’s one of Obama’s first priorities today.

    He’s meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

    Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement.

    There’s already been speculation about his selection…from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. of Chicago’s south side who co-chaired Obama’s presidential campaign, to recently retired state senate president Emil Jones, to the governor himself.

    It’s likely the governor will make his decision quickly so the new senator will get some seniority before newly-elected senators take office in January.

    Part of the timing depends on when Obama officially vacates his senate seat.

    here was the link:

    http://www.connecttristates.com/news…aspx?id=217582

    and another:

    Saturday, November 08, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.
    By Alexis Hunt

    Quincy, IL — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

    Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.

  33. One of the chief symptoms of every revolution is the sharp and sudden increase in the number of ordinary people who take an active, independent and forceful interest in politics.
    Nikolai Lenin

  34. Hi, Kim – Your postings of 10/08 news accounts of Obama’s meeting with Blago fly in the face of Axelrod, I believe, who has said that O did not have any contact with Blago. So much for truthfulness.
    Now we know first hand after his sixteen months in office how much of a liar he really is!

  35. Pardon me, Kim, they were 11/08 news accounts.

  36. JJ // April 21, 2010 at 9:07 am

    CRB // April 21, 2010 at 3:39 am

    A malfunction, computer overload, or loss of power resulting in lost data

    ____________

    Brought this over from a couple threads back so I could answer you JJ.

    You could call it that.. Software and Software Security updates were installed by said vender and OS manufacturer. They were installed improperly, thus resulting in the Infamous “Blue Screen of Death” run time stop error. When the Network recovered, all data from that day which was inputted, updated/carried out/removed/transported/inventoried/iglooed* etc. was not recoverable as the system had not reached its automatic back-up time before the network crash. (every couple of hours)

    Yes there was still the hard copy paper work trail, but that takes quite a bit longer to manually go through by hand than using the databases. When they got all that paperwork together the re-entered into the appropriate data bases quite a few hours had already passed. By that time, the B52 carrying the weapon systems had already landed at Barksdale AFB, and the press and media had already blown everything out of proportion.

    You notice, after the problems were fixed the press and media refused to retract their sensationalized stories, nor did they ever get around to ever printing/reporting any updates on this situation or the real reasons this happened.

    * Iglooed = Military jargon referring to the storage facilities weapon systems are stored in which are inventoried everyday as a routine security/nuclear surety measure.

  37. Linda from NY

    Looks like Blago has angered Judge Zagel. Not a good sign, especially so early in the litigation. It appears, at least to me, Judge Zagel has no intention of being impartial or unbiased.

    A judge with that big an ego will not adjudicate from a fair and/or impartial position.

    What can Blago do, since according to him, there is evidence that will exonerate and/or assist him in his defense? Does it matter? Isn’t there enough evidence to put him away for a long time anyway?

    It also looks like Obama has bought himself a willing advocate. Blago will be the fall guy no matter what he does to defend himself or how many others he takes down with him IMHO.

    Like it or not, Blago, that is how the game is played in the “big city.” As far as I am concerned, Blago is toast, and there is little he can do except secure as little time in the “klink” as possible.

    Unless he is willing to turn “state’s evidence” against a bigger fish, he is going nowhere.

    Buh, Bye, Blago. Your goose is cooked!

  38. Linda from NY

    Navy SEAL cleared in Iraq prisoner abuse case
    AP via Pilotonline ^ | 22 April 2010 | AP

    Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:46:41 AM by csvset

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2498099/posts

    “BAGHDAD

    A U.S. military jury has cleared a Navy SEAL in an abuse case involving an Iraqi prisoner accused of masterminding an attack that left four Blackwater security contractors dead.

    1st Petty Officer Julio Huertas, 28, was the first of three Navy SEALs to go on trial for the alleged assault. He was not accused of abusing the prisoner but of failing to safeguard him and attempting to influence the testimony of another service member.”

    One down; two to go! Yay!

  39. Linda from NY

    Hooray! Finally!

    Cornwall GOP consultant to challenge Schumer
    Times Herald-Record Middletown, NY ^ |

    04/22/10 | Chris Mckenna

    Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:07:42 AM by Impala64ssa

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2498065/posts

  40. Linda from NY

    It’s a start!

    Court in NY gives government victory against ACORN

    AP on Yahoo ^ | 4/21/10 | Larry Neumeister – ap

    Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:58:48 PM by NormsRevenge

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2497956/posts

    “NEW YORK – A federal appeals court on Wednesday handed the government a victory by temporarily blocking a judge’s finding that Congress was wrong to halt federal funding to the activist group ACORN.

    The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan also agreed to expedite the government’s appeal of U.S. District Judge Nina Gershon’s rulings that the funding cutoff was unconstitutional. Oral arguments were likely to occur before July.

    The appeals court’s one-paragraph decision to freeze Gershon’s two rulings that found Congress acted unconstitutionally will remain in place until the 2nd Circuit rules on the merits of the government’s appeal. It acted a day after hearing arguments.”

  41. Linda from NY

    Comic Relief in honor of twe…who is sorely missed!

    Today’s Toons 4/22/10

    GOPachy ^ | 4/22/10 | pookie18

    Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:53:04 AM by pookie18

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2498101/posts

  42. Linda from NY

    April 22, 2010

    Earth Day: An Assault on Man

    By Brian Sussman

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/earth_day_an_assault_on_man.html

    “In recent weeks while addressing Tea Party rallies here on the left coast, I ask the assembled patriots what appears to be an odd question: “Would all those from the former Soviet Union please raise your hands?”

    A notable number of hands are always raised — the San Francisco Bay Area is home to a diverse population.

    I then ask another curious question: “What does April 22 signify to you?”

    Without exception, someone will shout with great displeasure, “Lenin’s birth date!”

    The crowd clearly sees that I’m on to something. I next ask the former Soviets, “And as a young child in school, who were you told is your grandfather?”

    At this point several painfully respond, “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin!”

    “And in the United States, do you know what we celebrate on April 22?” I ask. “Earth Day. Grandfather Lenin has been conjoined with Mother Earth — and it’s no coincidence.”

    In my new book Climategate (released today), I detail the doings of Earth Day’s devious founders. It seems that this crafty crew were cut from cloth that resembles Marx and Lenin, as opposed to Madison and Jefferson.”

  43. Good Morning!

    Good News:

    Navy SEAL cleared in Iraq prisoner abuse case
    Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:46:41 AM · by csvset · 20 replies · 603+ views
    AP via Pilotonline ^ | 22 April 2010 | AP
    BAGHDAD A U.S. military jury has cleared a Navy SEAL in an abuse case involving an Iraqi prisoner accused of masterminding an attack that left four Blackwater security contractors dead. 1st Petty Officer Julio Huertas, 28, was the first of three Navy SEALs to go on trial for the alleged assault. He was not accused of abusing the prisoner but of failing to safeguard him and attempting to influence the testimony of another service member. The six-member Navy panel cleared Huertas of both charges on Thursday, local time, in Iraq. The Iraqi prisoner was accused of planning the 2004 killings…

  44. Linda from NY

    McCain-Lieberman Bill Would Deny Civilian Trials for “Enemy Belligerents”

    newamerican ^ | 3 8 2010 | Steven Yates

    Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:50:07 PM by tutstar

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/congress/3090-mccain-lieberman-bill

    “Who could be designated “enemy belligerents” and thereby denied the right to a civilian trial? Would the designation be limited to combatants captured on a battlefield, or could it be extended to others — including, potentially, even law-abiding U.S. citizens who dissent from an official point of view or policy?

    The bill’s definition of “enemy belligerent” could be interpreted to mean a number of things. The bill tells us (Sec. 6, paragraph 9): “The term ‘unprivileged enemy belligerent’ means an individual … who (a) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; (b) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or (c) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture.” Note the or in that sentence (italics added). It is very important. That one word logically implies that an individual does not have to be a member of al-Qaeda to be swept up in this. Anyone who fits those other provisions, whatever they mean, could be detained under this Act. The level of potential for abuse here depends on how far it is possible to stretch the meanings of words and phrases such as engaged in hostilities or purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.”

  45. Linda from NY

    The roots of Earth Day trace to a killer ‘fluoride fog’

    Phillyburbs.com ^ | April 22, 2010 | Joe Anastasi

    Posted on Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:44:19 AM by Eagles2003

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2498117/posts

    “The Donora Smog that killed residents of a Pennsylvania town in 1948 was the first in a series of environmental disasters that led to today’s environmental consciousness.

    Between Oct. 26 and Halloween night of 1948, a weather pattern contained air pollution from various sources, particularly the Donora Zinc Works smelting facility, over the Washington County town. Twenty people asphyxiated and half of the people in the town of 14,000 became ill.

    Cathy Milbourn, air quality spokeswoman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, said the “fluoride fog” was one of the key events that prompted a cry for pollution control legislation.

    The Donora Smog gained national attention on Walter Winchell’s radio show.”

  46. Normally TRSOL would be covering this stuff, so here is one for Phil. Hollester v Soetoro Petition for en banc Hearing filed

  47. Linda from NY

    (Update) Fitzpatrick – New Hearing date May 4 2010, 1:00PM

    Posted by Exploring the Natural Born Citizen Clause on April 20, 2010

    “The rumors are that the trial date has been scheduled for May 4, 2010 at 1:00PM
    Updates on the exact charges and more later. No reports on any attempts at more citizen’s arrests.

    In other news, “Effort under way to make Monroe County Courthouse lawn ‘greener’”

    As to the question of how there can be probable cause to illegally detain, I present the following

    Leo Patrick Haffey says:
    Tuesday, April 20, 2010 at 3:15 PM

    Just got off the phone with Carl.
    Darren was detained by agents for failing to come to a complete stop at a stop sign.
    Being that the agents had NO PROBABLE CAUSE to ILLEGALLY DETAIN Darren, they wisely released him.
    Carl got it all on video and it will be displayed on RiseUpForAmerica.com tomorrow.

    Commander Fitzpatrick’s hearing has been re-set for May 4th.

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/fitzpatrick-trial-date-may-4-2010-100pm/

  48. Linda from NY

    Liberi v Taitz – Appeal – Motion to Withdraw

    Posted by Exploring the Natural Born Citizen Clause on April 22, 2010

    Orly ‘won’ a case? Pinch me….

    04/21/2010 Open Document ECF FILER: Motion to Withdraw Case pursuant to Fed. R. App. P. 42(b) filed by Appellants Evelyn Adams, Philip J. Berg, Go Excel Global, Law Ofc of Philip J. Berg, Lisa Liberi and Lisa M. Ostella without costs and with prejudice. Certificate of Service dated 04/21/2010. (PJB)

    http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/liberi-v-taitz-appeal-motion-to-withdraw/

  49. TO:
    JJ // April 21, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Brjam…how many would have voted for a man who helped his cousin command the slaughter of innocents in church— men, women, children??
    ==================

    WHAT? Are you serious? We are talking about LIEberals, Erosionists, Marxists, Communists, Erosionists, Moonbats, Obutts, Morons, Sheeple, etc They would vote for Hitler if it had a D. To Prove my point we had a Prez that burned religious men, women and children …not in any country BUT right here in America and he got RE-ELECTED.

    WACO was an EVIL CORPORATION MASSACRE, an abuse of power, brutality, a clear case of POLICE BRUTALITY if there ever was one.

    CLINTON NEEDS TO be arrested and sent to The Hague International Court or Guantanamo Military Tribunals for the WAR CRIMES against his own people.
    They burned children alive under the guize of protecting them against ALLEGED child abuse.
    They sure protected them and made sure they were not being abused anymore by killing them and burning them alive.

    BTW this has happened many times in the USA, yet we have over 100 Mooslum Jihad compounds training all over America and NOT ONE has been investigated or “rushed”. There is rampant women abuse and child abuse there….why aren’t they protecting these women and children?

    Proof of what may be happening in these Mooslum Compounds?

    http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=2008

    ***WARNING VERY GRAPHIC***

  50. Linda from NY

    Shame on them!

    Pentagon Using “Personality Disorder” Discharges To Cheat Wounded Veterans Out of Benefits

    Editor’s Note: Chuck Luther made an appearance on Freeman Radio on 4/21. Listen to and/or download the interview here http://www.militiaradio.com/freeman-radio-42110/

    By Sherwood Ross

    April 21, 2010

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=8153

    “An army sergeant who had received 22 honors including a Combat Action Badge prior to being wounded in Iraq by a mortar shell was told he was faking his medical symptoms and subjected to abusive treatment until he agreed to a “personality disorder”(PD) discharge.

    After a doctor with the First Cavalry division wrote he was out for “secondary gain,” Chuck Luther was imprisoned in a six- by eight-foot isolation chamber, ridiculed by the guards, denied regular meals and showers and kept awake by perpetual lights and blasting heavy metal music—abuses similar to the punishments inflicted on terrorist suspects by the CIA.

    “They told me I wasn’t a real soldier, that I was a piece of crap. All I wanted was to be treated for my injuries,” 12-year veteran Luther told reporter Joshua Kors of “The Nation” magazine (April 26th). “Now suddenly I’m not a soldier. I’m a prisoner, by my own people. I felt like a caged animal in that room. That’s when I started to lose it.” The article is called “Disposable Soldiers: How the Pentagon is Cheating Wounded Vets.”

  51. Good Morning All CWers.

    CW,

    Still haven’t heard back on comment that never posted on April 16, about 4:00 AM. I know you are busy but would like to know if you have it archived and could mail to me. Thanks

  52. Linda from NY

    Proposed Bill Seeks Punishment for Unauthorized Militia

    (KTUL)

    April 21, 2010

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=8155

    “Legislation proposed by state Rep. Mike Shelton would increase the penalty for individuals involved in unauthorized militias or similar domestic-terror groups.

    “There has been a great deal of attention given to increasing the penalties for those involved in gang activity, and while I agree that gangs are terrorizing many communities, they are not the only such threat in our state,” said Shelton, D-Oklahoma City. “In Oklahoma we have seen the damage done by militia fanatics and the Ku Klux Klan has a long history of violence and domestic terrorism. Involvement in those types of organizations should be treated no differently than participation in an urban gang.”

    Shelton plans to submit his legislation through amendments to Senate Bill 2018.”

    Shelton’s amendments would extend those penalties to other groups, including, the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and “any independent military organization that is neither recognized nor authorized by the Commander in Chief of the Militia for the State of Oklahoma.”

    The FBI recently arrested several members of the Michigan-based Hutaree militia, alleging the group was plotting to kill police officers.”

  53. Linda from NY

    Another Warning… Obama Administration Won’t Rule Out Firing on Israeli Jets If Iran Is Attacked

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:22 AM

    The Obama Administration won’t rule out firing on Israeli jets if Iran is attacked by Israel.

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/obama-administration-wont-rule-out-firing-on-israeli-jets-if-they-attack-iran/

    “The Danger Room reported, via Mere Rhetoric:

    America’s top military officer wouldn’t rule the possibility today of U.S. forces firing on Israeli jets, if Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Iran.

    In a town hall on the campus of the University of West Virginia, a young Air Force ROTC cadet asked Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen to respond to a “rumor.” If Israel decided to attack Iran, the speculation went, those jet would need to fly through Iraqi airspace to reach their targets. That airspace is considered a “no-fly” zone by the American military. So might U.S. troops shoot down the Israeli jets, the airmen asked the chairman, if they breached that airspace?

    Mullen tried to sidestep the question. “We have an exceptionally strong relationship with Israel. I’ve spent a lot of time with my counterpart in Israel. So we also have a very clear understanding of where we are. And beyond that, I just wouldn’t get into the speculation of what might happen and who might do what. I don’t think it serves a purpose, frankly,” he said. “I am hopeful that this will be resolved in a way where we never have to answer a question like that.”

    This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this.
    Last September, Zbigniew Brzezinski, former foreign adviser to US president Jimmy Carter and current advisor to Barack Obama, called for the US to shoot down Israeli jets.”

  54. Linda from NY

    Republican Charles Djou Joins Hannity- Djou Money Wave Reaches $100K (Video)

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 11:03 PM

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/republican-charles-djou-joins-hannity-djou-money-wave-reaches-100k-video/

    “GOP candidate Charles Djou joined Sean Hannity to discuss his campaign for Congress in the childhood home district of President Obama.

    Republican Charles Djou has climbed 15 points in the polls since January and is now ahead in the deep blue state! Charles Djou is currently leading the field in the latest polling.

    Djou held a “money wave” today for his campaign. He was hoping to raise $100,000. It looks like he will make it. You still have time to donate to his campaign for Congress.

    UPDATE: Djou raised $105,888 in his money bomb exceeding his goal by $5,888!”

  55. Linda from NY

    Obama’s Midwest Trip Schedule Announced

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 10:07 PM

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/obamas-midwest-trip-schedule-announced/

    “President Disaster will make several stops in the Midwest next week.

    The radical leftist president will campaign with troubled Democrat Phil Hare.

    Obama is scheduled to land in Quincy on Tuesday. He is going to campaign with Rep. Phil “I don’t care about the Constitution” Hare and other liberal democrats.

    His tentative schedule was posted at KTVO, via Free Republic:…”

  56. Linda from NY

    Obama Drops VAT Tax Bomb

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 7:50 PM

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/obama-drops-vat-tax-bomb/

    “Another Broken Promise–

    During the 2008 campaign Barack Obama pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000 a year.

    After tripling the national budget deficit his first year in office Barack Obama told reporters in February that he was “agnostic” to raising taxes on those making less than $250,000 a year to bring down the deficit. Today Obama suggested his value-added tax is still on the table.”

  57. Prez Steve’s motto.

    “America’s Failure is the OUR ONLY OPTION”

  58. Ever notice that profiling is NEVER OK except for Tea Parties, Conservatives, etc.??

  59. Linda from NY // April 22, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Obama Drops VAT Tax Bomb

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    BUT the USURPER said you won’t have to pay “IF YOU HAVE NO INCOME OR MONEY and if you are not in that category yet, you soon will be after I fix that.”

  60. Are we a country of NUTTY PYSCHOTIC PEOPLE?

    We have known terrorists, some of them like Bill Ayers that atcually COMMITTED many acts of terrorism, visiting the White House on a regular basis…YET we arrest in Michigan and other places “militias” that have done no acts of terrorism?

    NUTS

  61. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // April 22, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Prez Steve’s motto.

    “America’s Failure is the OUR ONLY OPTION”
    ****************************************

    Peter….you forgot to add….

    AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMEONE ELSE’S FAULT!

  62. How long are we going to let this illegal usurper screw up our system of government? I am
    sick of all of these manufactured crisis s to rush through legislation.

    Just watched Valarie Jarret on Fox, talking about the financial crisis, and the need for more control by Obama. Just sickening to think that the illegal usurper will have even more control over our lives, and country. WAKE UP AMERICA, remove the usurper and his fellow criminals.

  63. Linda from NY

    ms. helga // April 22, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Hey, ms. helga! How true!

    I heard another “possible” plan to be implicated in the future IF banks are punished by fines for “bad financial behavior.”

    Of course, we already know that any entity that gets fined passes the “fine” onto consumers. Well, if banks are fined, “payment” will be passed onto consumers in the form of higher fees on their accounts. Since everyone must have a bank account, it is relatively easy for the bank to recoup its losses.

    Unfortunately, few of us can operate without banks so it becomes an added “tax” on all that has been proposed YTD on American taxpayers or that will be proposed in the future.

    Another way to “re-distribute” the wealth to the “cartel” and/or “corporation” thereby, further eroding the wealth of our nation.

    Sighing in NY…Linda

  64. If it looks like this VAT tax is going to happen, then it’s time to take whatever extra money there is & stock up on sale items before prices skyrocket. My husband thinks I’m out of my mind. I bought a bunch of pasta, canned goods, rice, water, cooking oil, some meats that were marked down, toilet paper & other things that were on sale. I even bought another oil lamp, extra wicks & oil just in case. I’m thinking about some alternative cooking source, too. Can’t be too safe.

  65. I also started my plants for the garden back in Jan. & Feb. Now I think I should buy some canning supplies & learn how to do it. Am I certifiably nuts?

  66. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 9:17 am

    I also started my plants for the garden back in Jan. & Feb. Now I think I should buy some canning supplies & learn how to do it. Am I certifiably nuts?
    ***************************************

    No you are not…..good job Nancy!!! BTW….how was your conference call the other day and any info on your refund from the IRS???

  67. Linda from NY

    Interesting discussion on RBN…Listen online…

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/

    The Morning Liberty Show

    Host: R J Hender

    Speaking about the “naturalized” citizen and the “sovereign”

    What happens when you go into court…what you are actually doing by acknowledging the court and its authority…

    It might explain why we have no “standing.”

    Happy Listening…Linda

  68. 83% surveyed by the NY Daily News want to see proof of Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief, Got Small Fringe Group!? – Thanks CDR Kerchner
    Posted on April 22nd, 2010 by David-Crockett

  69. Three Variations of the same theme

    1. WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS , NOT A LAWLESS NATION RUN BY ANYONE WHO CAN SEIZE POWER BY ANY MEANS.

    2. WE USED TO BE A NATION OF LAWS AND NOT A LAWLESS NATION RUN BY ANYONE WHO CAN SEIZE POWER BY ANY MEANS.

    3. ARE WE A NATION OF LAWS OR A LAWLESS NATION RUN BY ANYONE WHO CAN SEIZE POWER BY ANY MEANS?

    Take your pick.

  70. Jacqlyn: The conference call was very strange. The moderator talked all about obama & what is going on & to expect some tough times if things don’t turn around soon. He then touched on the fact that investing money for interest was not the best way to go & that there are still some good ways to invest (he is a Wall Streeter, after all). I think he was counting on questions to really make it an informative call). No one asked any & they ended the conference call! I had not even thought of any to ask because I didn’t really think I would get a chance to & besides I do not understand any of that jargon. I could have kicked myself for not having had some questions beforehand. It was quite odd, though, the way he filled the time mostly alarming listeners as to what is going on (in case they weren’t already aware, I presume).

    As to the refund, I spoke with my CPA’s assistant yesterday (a huge firm). My refund will be mailed now, due to a glitch. But when I asked her why they changed the date (will be mailed by 4/23 and if I don’t receive by MAY 21, to contact them, she whispered into the phone “I think they don’t have the money”.!!!! She said to call back if I don’t receive it by next Tuesday. I sent her this link to show her that other people are having the same problem:

    http://www.goftp.com/qna/Does_the_irs_have_any_refund_delays_for_tax_year_2010-qna212911.html

    Thanks for asking 🙂

  71. Question…if you please…?
    I never got a Census, but when I arrived home last night, a note on the door. Census worker wants to schedule app’t…(“10 minutes). Don’t I just have to answer to how many live here? I just want to be clear on what I am legally responsible to answer. Thank you!!!!

  72. Linda from NY

    ms. helga // April 22, 2010 at 9:25 am

    We WERE a Nation of Laws until power was seized by a CORPORATION through criminal means that allowed a USURPER to become their CEO and consequently, DICTATOR of the District of Columbia.

    Now we are a Nation of Statutes [Commands] that have enslaved us since 1787 through usurpation of our Constitution. We have become US Citizens who have unknowingly given up our unalienable rights as guaranteed by God and our Constitution.

    What do you think about this? Linda

  73. the people involeved are the highest level,

    Truth, all citizens must accept this to understand the extreme plans and policies being put in place by this cabal, this EVIL.

    Just as the health plan wasn’t written overnight, so the plan for this world domination not written overnight—every level of our govt has been infiltrated with communist and anti-God slaves and a few masters.
    God, please help this nation soon.

  74. Carol // April 22, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Hi Carol,

    The number of people who live in your house. That’s it.

    If they push, ask them where in the Constitution is the authority to ask any more questions than that.

    I ordered a pocket Constitution and am ready for them if they ever come knocking at my door.

    The Census is a head count. That’s all.

  75. Carol, Just tell them the number of people and then inform them they are trespassing and to leave.

  76. Sue K…Thank you! That is what I thought, but just wanted to be sure.

  77. CRB // April 22, 2010 at 2:35 am

    JJ // April 21, 2010 at 9:07 am

    CRB // April 21, 2010 at 3:39 am

    I bet you know a lot about PROMIS.

  78. Carol: Or don’t answer the door.

  79. Unless he is willing to turn “state’s evidence” against a bigger fish, he is going nowhere

    Expect Blago to meet an unfortunate accident in prison!!

  80. TO:
    Linda from NY // April 22, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Interesting discussion on RBN…Listen online…

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/

    The Morning Liberty Show

    Host: R J Hender

    Speaking about the “naturalized” citizen and the “sovereign”

    What happens when you go into court…what you are actually doing by acknowledging the court and its authority…

    It might explain why we have no “standing.”

    Happy Listening…Linda
    =======================

    I have been saying for awhile now that if Tim Turner took on this case he would find standing as a sovereign American….Problem is we go in as CORPORATIONS we have no Standing and no injury….the injury has been done to the Sovereign Americans that are governed by the FOR Constitituion instead of the OF Constitution.

  81. Linda from NY // April 22, 2010 at 9:45 am

    ms. helga // April 22, 2010 at 9:25 am

    What do you think about this? Linda

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Linda – Google up USURPERVILLE and you will see everthing I think.

  82. ARREST OBAMA/SOETORO’S CEO BOND and he is be DONE.

  83. CENSUS – Head Count

    I would respond like this:
    I Object to being question any further about the Census. I met my Constitutional Obligation by supplying a head count.

    Any other questions I would answer either:
    What does that have to do with a Head Count?
    or
    I have met my obligations and object to any further harrassment.
    or I plead the 5th. LOL

  84. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Carol // April 22, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Question…if you please…?
    I never got a Census, but when I arrived home last night, a note on the door. Census worker wants to schedule app’t…(“10 minutes). Don’t I just have to answer to how many live here? I just want to be clear on what I am legally responsible to answer. Thank you!!!!
    ******************************************

    Carol….you are correct….you only have to tell them how many folks live at that address….below is the letter if you want to copy it and read it to the person…
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    To Whom it May Concern,
    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total
    number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and
    housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.
    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)
    “Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated, that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life.
    As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”
    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

  85. CENSUS = Ripoff = Waste of Resources = Duplication (cities already have a head count which they mostly take every year) = BOONDOGLE

  86. He was not accused of abusing the prisoner but of failing to safeguard him and attempting to influence the testimony of another service member

    Ex-teacher says…sometimes it’s good for all to just look away and swear you didn’t see anything…bullies learn lots when teachers do this!!

  87. JS,

    Got in late last night and missed most all of the TT.
    It seems that he didn’t join the call.
    It happened?

  88. Carol // April 22, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Go get ’em, Carol! 🙂 🙂

  89. Linda from NY

    JJ // April 22, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Is Blago in jail at present? Is his life in danger now? To whose benefit would he be silenced?

    I would think pp would want him alive to close the book on his involvement. However, if Blago dies, there are tons of others who could implicate pp IMHO. They would then have to “bump off” a whole cauldron of others, no?

    I think Blago is a “fall guy” even though he is definitely not completely innocent of any wrongdoing. The timing of his arrest spoke volumes IMHO. Why did they wait until after the election to arrest him when they had already made their case as early as June 2008?

    Your thoughts would be appreciated…Linda

  90. Jacqlyn Smith

    JS,

    Got in late last night and missed most all of the TT.
    It seems that he didn’t join the call.
    It happened?
    *****************************************

    NO….he never did come on……all they did was warn of the bumpy ride and get prepared…..expect the worst in days….not weeks!

  91. Jacqlyn Smith // April 22, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Hi Jackie,

    That’s the *exact* letter I tucked in with my Census form after stating 1 person and 5 pets.

    Wonder what they’ll do with that…

  92. Jacqlyn Smith

    Sue and Nancy…..I’m with you…..I don’t answer my door if I don’t know who is there…..we have had too many home invasions here to be safe…..I sent my form back weeks ago and put the letter inside just as you did Sue…..I was going to write my own but decided to just use that one….it covered everything and why waste the time on something else!

  93. Linda from NY

    ms. helga // April 22, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Hahahahahaha!

    I don’t know how, but I missed that post…Thanks for clarifying that for me.

    I am going back and read the comments; it must have been fun to participate.

    Happy Day…Linda

  94. PRWH @ 8:21 am……thanks for putting the Odinga massacre into context for me…..I didn’t forget, but all you said is so right.
    Clintons are definitely not afraid of God or his teachings.
    Their objective……I just don’t understand….power and wealth while here on earth is realized, but hereafter, what have you gained even If you don’t believe in God and Heaven.

    All wars and conflicts are essentially fought over wealth and control of resources which leads to wealth.

    They must believe with Satan, you can take it with you.

  95. Jacqlyn Smith

    Nancy…..your conference call did sound strange to say the least…..hope everything works out for you…..my husband gets paid today so we will pay some of our bills with cash and then take the rest and go buy supplies……water and food! Usually he only makes enough to buy us a couple of weeks of food….I might by pass some bills this time to get more food and water!

  96. Have you noticed that most of our leaders didn’t begin at the bottom…….therefore, they have not one iota of understanding about the ‘little man” or the ‘working man’.

    Even our legislators aren’t grounded to the reality we experience each day.

    Sorry, but until we get leaders and legislators that know what we know, and learned what we know through real-life experiences, this country will never return to what made it great.

  97. Jacqlyn Smith

    Peter…..Tim Turner will be in Vegas this weekend for one of his seminars…….wish I could go but I can’t afford the $400 charge….oh well…..maybe we won’t need it in a few more months!!!

  98. “Legislation proposed by state Rep. Mike Shelton would increase the penalty for individuals involved in unauthorized militias or similar domestic-terror groups.

    This must be in response to Oklahoma’s movement to install militias.

    Okay, Bill, define ‘unauthorized’!!!

  99. Linda from NY // April 22, 2010 at 8:46 am

    At this point I don’t really take notice of ANYTHING the usurper says he will do or not do…..the man has serious credibility problems….

  100. even bought another oil lamp, extra wicks & oil just in case. I’m thinking about some alternative cooking source, too. Can’t be too safe.

    Smart move on your part…..Dander’s Mtn. has a small $40 dollar propane cooker…probably one dish at a time thingy…the small fuel containers are only $2 each….(our project for this weekend/procrastinator husband tests my patience)
    I have food for two for about 18 months in a mud room turned into a pantry….
    don’t tell neighbors!!

  101. Don in CA,

    Morning!

    Rock and roll again, my friend!

    4.6 near Seeley. Be careful out there!

  102. Linda from NY

    Thursday, April 22, 2010

    Eye of the Obama

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/04/eye-of-obama.html

    “With the initial passage of an Arizona House bill which would require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate and other legal papers proving he is a natural born Citizen of these United States, the glove has been slapped across the face of every patrician and Obama apologist in America.

    The Arizona bill is much bigger than what even the Obama supporters have ridiculed it as, including Dana Perino, another Obama voter from the Bush administration. This bill is not a laughing stock, but an exposure of all the patricians fools who were taken in by the biggest fraud in history.
    There is no bigger fraud in history than Barack Hussein Obama. He changed his name’s pronunciation from Bearick, he said his British subjection expired, he is a faux black experience chameleon and as the old saying goes, “You know when Obama is lying, because his lips are moving”.

  103. Sorry jbjd….I misrepresented you.thought you were.

  104. Has any one heard this?

    Paul Schlesselman, Alamo, TN was given 10 years prison time for threatening Barry when he was a senator. ????????

  105. JJ: I’m thinking of a camp stove with the propane, but also some sort of stove that used wood. They even have solar cookers you can make yourself now. We have a chiminea, the neck comes off & has a rack we could possibly heat things on. My husband just painted it. I told him to make sure the screws for the neck still come out in case we need it for cooking. He says I’ve finally lost my mind. LOL?

  106. Carol // April 22, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Question…if you please…?
    I never got a Census, but when I arrived home last night, a note on the door. Census worker wants to schedule app’t…(“10 minutes). Don’t I just have to answer to how many live here? I just want to be clear on what I am legally responsible to answer. Thank you!!!!

    Andrew Napolitano has a letter to give the census taker and there is a form to give the census taker about 2 pages long for her/him to complete before any questions are answered….it is said to scare the bejesus out of anyone at the door …it was intimidating and inclusive as they are trying to be to us.

    I can find it if you need it.

  107. Linda from NY

    Why do so many have to “interpret” what pp means?

    Thursday, April 22, 2010

    Treasury Sec. Timothy Geithner Says Obama “Does Not Support” VAT for the United States – Video 4/22/10

    http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2010/04/treasury-sec-timothy-geithner-says.html

    “The White House needs to get their stories straight. Here is video of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on “Morning Joe” today, where he flat out said that President Obama “does not support” a Value Added Tax for the United States.

    Just yesterday, Obama was asked about a VAT, and while he did not say he favors it, he did not rule it out. He sounded like a man who was leaving himself room to use it if he wants to.”

  108. Linda from NY

    UK Liberal Party Leader: ‘Britain Bears Bigger Cross Than Germany’s Nazi Past’

    Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, April 22, 2010, 5:39 AM

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/04/uk-liberal-party-leader-britain-bears-bigger-cross-than-germanys-nazi-past/

    “Hope & Change – UK Style

    Beneath his polished veneer, UK liberal democrat leader Nick Clegg appears to be your average Brit-hating leftist. In a previous article written in 2002, Clegg wrote that Great Britain bears a cross bigger than Germany’s Nazi past.

    That’s nuts.”

  109. For Carol @ 9:41 am

    On the June 24 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck, guest host Judge Andrew Napolitano stated that “when people ask me what the law is, what do they have to tell the census taker, I tell them, simply this:

    how many people live in that house, and nothing else.

    It’s none of the government’s business when they were born, what their race is, or what they earn.” Responding to Rep. Jason Chaffetz’s (R-UT) description of legislation he intends to introduce to have postal workers conduct the 2010 census, Napolitano stated, “I hope this passes, because it’s going to save us a lot of money. And for all of its faults in the post office, it’s certainly a lot more honest than ACORN.”

  110. To: ronpaul-200@meetup.com

    Carol, enjoy this one too!!

    Subject: Re: [ronpaul-200] Ron Paul CNN on Cafferty Files 2/27/10
    I compiled this letter and inserted it into the Census envelope, along with my 2010 census form.

    I marked off that ‘02′ people reside at this address….and, well… read the rest!

    Use this as a template! This is just another small step in which we can show the Feds we won’t take this nonsense lying down!

    To Whom it May Concern,

    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

    “Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”

    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

    Respectfully,

    A Citizen of the United States of America

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/52847.html
    Great opening……….the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address.
    And that’s what I gave them…#2

  111. PRWH…Peter….this is what puzzles me also…each city, county has much information about the residents, so why the bullsh**??

    Check this out…..
    ethnicity, household income, etc. is right at your finger tips!!

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21/21141.html

    Can’t they GOOGLE???

  112. Linda from NY // April 22, 2010 at 10:10 am

    The selling off of the Senate seat was just a set up??
    With all the pay-to-play, who would notice one more event??

    Except it was being recorded and how many involved knew that and took a great deal for testifying??

    His life may still depend on what he says and what he doesn’t say.

    That’s how I see it. And why the secrecy of the recordings content in the courtroom??

    All should be pertinent to this case I would think.

    Understood I don’t wish to hear details about dinner menus, but …you get the point.

  113. Jacqlyn Smith // April 22, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Peter…..Tim Turner will be in Vegas this weekend for one of his seminars…….wish I could go but I can’t afford the $400 charge….oh well…..maybe we won’t need it in a few more months!!!

    A great patriot, huh?? Small fee??

  114. “Born Again
    Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.”
    By Christopher Beam

    “The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.

    In theory. That’s the beauty of the birther myth, or any conspiracy theory: No amount of evidence can ever completely dispel the questions. When Obama produced his Hawaii birth certificate and the state of Hawaii verified it, it was a fake. When reporters uncovered announcements of Obama’s birth in 1961 copies of the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, they had been planted. If the Arizona secretary of state verified Obama’s birth certificate, that would be due to the government mind-control chip implanted in his molar.”

    http://www.slate.com/id/2251518/
    ===============
    The same lies (with small variations) over and over.

    IT is becoming stronger because of more evidence.

  115. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 10:51 am

    JJ: I’m thinking of a camp stove with the propane, but also some sort of stove that used wood.

    Nancy, wood is great if you can get to it……husband is a logger and hears my rant weekly about bringing home wood….what if gas is not pumping??
    hey, dig a hole in the ground, set fire and let ‘er go!!
    Who needs barbecue cookers??
    From the country??? hole works fine!!

  116. When I got the census I went and got the biggest red permanent marker in my home and wrote in big letters 4 pERSONS and promptly mailed it back…have not heard a peep back.

  117. “The non-issue that won’t go away, are these the Birther Rumors that Robert Gibbs was talking about, Got Truth!?”

    “Fox News reporter Wendell Goler asked Robert Gibbs if the complaints of birthers complicate Resident Obama’s dealing with the American muslim community.

    The question and response were the typical Alinsky tactics we’ve come to know so well…”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/04/non-issue-that-wont-go-away-are-these.html
    ==================
    Go to link for video.

  118. The following is linked on LTC Lakin’s website, which states:

    Western Journalism: Update on “Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility” The most complete overview of the issue.

    Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility Updated
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=7263

    In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue. On July 21, 2009 westernjournalism.com obtained a copy of the investigator’s report and published it. Thousands have since read the report. The report is featured as one of the Key Documents on the safeguardourconstitution.com website that is maintained by the American Patriot Foundation that supports Lieutenant Colonel Terry Lakin.

    [..]

    Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility

    […]

    Birth Certificate and Citizenship Law when Obama was Born

    […]

    Protecting Hawaii’s Favorite Son

    […]

    What is a “Natural Born Citizen”

    It is only by examining the 18th century usage and definition of a term that we can ascertain its meaning in the Constitution. In the 18th century, and at the time of the framing and ratification of the Constitution by the states, the term “natural-born” subject or citizen was always used or defined in such a way as to exclude the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen. No 18th century jurist would have thought the term “natural-born” citizen or subject could have been extended to the child of a British or American girl or woman when that child was born in a foreign country and that child’s father was a foreign citizen.

    Here is Blackstone’s classic exposition in 1765 of the legal meaning of the term from the Commentaries on the Laws of England.

    William Blackstone, Commentaries 1:354, 357–58, 361–62

    1765

    “Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it.. . .

    “When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king’s dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty’s English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king’s embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent; so, with regard to the son also, he was held (by a kind of postliminium) to be born under the king of England’s allegiance, represented by his father, the embassador. To encourage also foreign commerce, it was enacted by statute 25 Edw. III. st. 2. that all children born abroad, provided both their parents were at the time of the birth in allegiance to the king,…might inherit as if born in England: and accordingly it hath been so adjudged in behalf of merchants. But by several more modern statutes these restrictions are still farther taken off: so that all children, born out of the king’s ligeance, whose fathers were natural-born subjects, are now natural-born subjects themselves, to all intents and purposes, without any exception; unless their said fathers were attainted, or banished beyond sea, for high treason; or were then in the service of a prince at enmity with Great Britain.”

    Avoiding a Constitutional Crisis

    I think it is clear that there are reasonable arguments that Barack Obama may not be a natual-born citizen of the United States. These arguments could be settled if Obama allowed the Hawaii Department of Health to release his original birth certificate. It is completely reasonable to regard his refusal to do so as suspect.

    In 2008, these justifiable doubts should have led to demands for the original birth certificate by the media, the responsible officials in the Democratic Party, the Secretaries of State in the different states, the members of the Electoral College and the Unites States Senate. John McCain was asked to provide his original birth certificate, and he did so.

    The irresponsible confirmation in the Senate of the irresponsible tallying of votes in the Electoral College does not supersede the clear meaning of Article II, Section 1. If it is allowed to stand, disregard of the Constitution by all branches of the government would be openly established. To all who believe that the Constitution is the government’s basic law, that the Constitution is the only instrument that gives the enactments of Congress and the commands of the Executive validity, it will be clear that the rule of law in the United States is a fiction.

    Journalists and politicians complain that we must avoid a Constitutional crisis, but there already is a Constitutional crisis. It has been caused by Obama’s refusal to take the simple step to clear the matter up. The power of the Executive branch has been compromised. Its right to collect taxes and sign Congressional enactments into law, in fact all of its powers, have become problematic. Since their validity under Section I is now doubtful, they depend on the illegal exercise of force. Since officers of the American military take their oath on commissioning to the Constitution and not the President, their obedience to the Commander-in-Chief has lapsed and, if they challenge or resist his authority, any court-martial will also be an illegal exercise of force. The only way out of the present Constitutional crisis is for Obama to do as McCain did when he was confronted by far less pressing doubts about the circumstances of his birth. He must disclose his original birth certificate. Since the document has been so suspiciously withheld for so long, it should be subjected to rigorous forensic tests. Then whatever is on it should be judicially assessed together with the claims that have been made that Barack Obama was born on foreign soil.

    Addendum on the CNN/Lou Dobbs issue

    […]

  119. magna carta // April 22, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Good on ya, Magna!

    Ya know, if there wasn’t this illegal ‘administration’ in Washington, we might just volunteer some other answers but since they’ve crept into nearly every facet of our lives, my answer is one person, five pets (who DO need representation from the Fur Lobby) and you can stuff the rest of your form where the sun don’t shine.

    Period.

  120. Yep Sue…my home is not pleasant to visit if you are merely a soujourner. My shepherd barks his ass off the whole time…..It would be fun to watch them stand there and get the BARKDOWN treatment.
    Now I just need some $$$$ to get a camara installed for poop packages on my lawn.

  121. Man…just heard a news blurb on radio about AZ passing its article II enforcement bill via Rep. Burges.THIS CHICK ROCKS!
    Let’s move to AZ!

  122. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 10:51 am

    JJ: I’m thinking of a camp stove with the propane, but also some sort of stove that used wood.

    Nancy, wood is great if you can get to it……husband is a logger and hears my rant weekly about bringing home wood….what if gas is not pumping??
    hey, dig a hole in the ground, set fire and let ‘er go!!
    Who needs barbecue cookers??
    From the country??? hole works fine!!

    ******************************************

    If have quite a lot of wood stacked. If you dig a fire pit, what do you do, pit some sort or oven rack over it to set pots on or something?

  123. make that “PIT some sort OF” rack…..

  124. Try again “PUT”

    Geez, either my eyes or fingers aren’t working.

  125. If indeed the Arizona legislation paseed regarding the requiring of presidential candidates to produce a long-form birth certificate before being placed on the ballot, look Federal lawsuits to start appearing. If Obama and his cronies indeed go this route, it would basically be the final nail in the coffin that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Obama is not an NBC. Why would anyone be opposed to this? It is a Constitutional requirement.

  126. Here is the Cnn, Cooper v. Arizona video and transcript if anyone wants it:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/anderson-cooper-confronts_n_547766.html?ref=twitter

  127. Linda from NY @ 10:10 am
    Somewhat how it works in Chicago. If a hit is going to be done it is usually very messy, and horrible. Think Mob guys outside of an Italian restaurant-blood all over the sidewalk etc. Two things are accomplished: they murder the victim, and send a message- CHILL to anyone else who might have a bright idea re: testimony etc.
    Another way: wolf packs on the expressway-surrounded fake auto crashes and/or drive-by shoots. Random acts of violence????who knows. Donald Young could be an example. 50/50 he was murdered or it was the high crime area in which he lived.
    The best way to know what is really going on is to be on the streets of Chicago, the people talk and are very attuned to the information that leaches out. Bars are better when they start drinking they start bragging you can get a lot of information that way.

  128. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Brjam // April 21, 2010 at 11:08 pm
    This website and info should go viral!
    http://www.amendment-13.org/

    If nothing else, the information collected on this website proves conclusively, once and for all, that the Civil War was not about Slavery. It was about Economics. The Abolitionists essentially piled on once the Confederates were essentially defeated.

    Specifically: Note the the North almost passed a sweeping set of amendments that clearly recognized slavery in states where it was economically important and denying it in the others. And even then, this amendment would have prohibited anyone of African descent from ever holding office. This complex amendment was narrowly defeated. Among other things it was far too complex (it reads like a law or regulations, rather than part of the constitution).

    Ultimately both the Senate and the House widely approved another amendment that basically said that the federal government would not interfere in the internal state operations including slavery. This was then sent out to all states for ratification.

    This amendment was aimed at easing a major concern of the South about federal interference. However, since the issue was a far bigger one of economics and tariffs and taxes, the southern states rejected this as insufficient to encourage them not to secede. Therefore the amendment just died.

    This would have been the actual 1st 13th amendment. However, the rest of the information is given over to the Titles of Nobility amendment which ultimately did become the 1st 13th amendment.

    I just find it interesting that Revisionist History gets another substantial slap in the face.

    Read also the great book: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War.

    There is good reason why the best name for this was is The War of Northern Agression!

  129. Would this Arizona legislation apply to a sitting president running for re-election or only to new candidates?

  130. Here’s Lame Cherry’s take on the AZ legislation:

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/04/arizona-filibuster.html

  131. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 9:17 am

    I also started my plants for the garden back in Jan. & Feb. Now I think I should buy some canning supplies & learn how to do it. Am I certifiably nuts?
    ***********
    NOT nuts! And, it’s really easy to do. Start buying your supplies now, cuz when harvest time arrives it can be hard to find enough jars and lids. I’m sure you can find lots of “how-to’s” online.

  132. TO:
    JJ // April 22, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // April 22, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Peter…..Tim Turner will be in Vegas this weekend for one of his seminars…….wish I could go but I can’t afford the $400 charge….oh well…..maybe we won’t need it in a few more months!!!

    A great patriot, huh?? Small fee??

    ===============
    $400 is actually very cheap for a 2 day seminar with all the docuemntation and support they give you.
    There are 2 hour seminars that are more expensive than that.

    But I also understand that times are tough and $400 is alot of money.

    The sacrifice he makes and all the hours he puts into these effort for free. The time he stays away from his family and affairs, etc. it is well worth the $400. I don’t think he is gettign rich from this and if he is good for him.

  133. TO:

    NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Would this Arizona legislation apply to a sitting president running for re-election or only to new candidates?
    ===============

    Anyone that needs to be placed on the ballot. An incumbent has to be placed on the ballot

  134. Fernley Girl: I’ve been reading about it online. Someone told me that the most important thing is that everything be sterile. I saw some canning jars at Big Lots, but wondering if I should buy the name brand (Ball).

  135. Peter 12:55

    Well, that explains why the legislation has some so very upset. 🙂

  136. Benaiah………………………………..

    I to am becoming seriously doubtful whether WE THE PEOPLE will ever again have the rights that are specified in our Constitution. As each day passes it becomes more difficult for us to act in any way. I have a GUT feeling that the 2012 Election will be denied us. If this occurs then we have lost. The US will for all purposes,and intents have become a Chavez type Socialist state, and will end up being controlled by MUSLIM people. Those of you who voted for Soetoro should be DANCING IN THE STREETS,bowing to him and LICKING HIS BOOTS. You thought that Socialism is so great,and all good, now LIVE WITH IT; you voted for it! Don’t WHINE when your tax bill climbs up to over 50 % of what you earn,that is (if you still have a job). By the way you can avail yourself of ALL THE FREE STUFF, free food,free housing, free healthcare. maybe even a free automobile. All you need to to is get totally stoned on drugs,and stay that way. You will receive a totally FREE living. I wonder where the money is going to come from to pay for your free living. Don’t look at me for help……..I don’t have a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of. I have deliberately seen to that. If you think that I have something worth stealing …..go ahead ” MAKE MY DAY! My
    M1 will speak for me.

  137. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I’m all for judges being referees and keeping court cases from being circuses. BUT – – –

    Does not proper jurisprudence require that Blago be given access to evidence that might exonerate him or explain his defense?

    It might not totally remove guilt, but it might show to what an extent he was setup or a patsy, and would certainly put his crimes in context. This in-turn might affect his sentencing.

    So – I think we all need to cry that getting as much evidence on-record as possible is critically important.

  138. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    I’ve never used anything except Ball. But that’s what I started with many years ago. That way I know all the jars and lids fit. If you buy an “off” brand you may not be able to find the replacement lids next season.

  139. Benaiah // April 22, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Thanks for sharing the interesting and informative link that accompanied your post. It’s becoming more and more apparent that o isn’t eligible.

  140. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    You got it……everybody has a grill…..complete with rack on top…….hey, if it gets bad enough and I get hungry enough??
    The grills from my oven work just fine…….I think if the SHTF, conventional thinking and LOVE of material things will be a thing of the past and EVERY article I read says…..WE AIN’T SEEN NOTHING YET…THE 1930’S WILL LOOK LIKE A CAMPOUT EVENT COMPARED TO NOW..WE ARE SPOILED…FORGOT HOW TO SERVE OURSELVES!!!

    IS THAT DEPRESSING ENOUGH??

  141. Nancy Drew,
    Strawberries are coming into season now. Try making some strawberry jam (if you like it). It’s easy to make, and you can make it in small batches.

  142. magna carta // April 22, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Man…just heard a news blurb on radio about AZ passing its article II enforcement bill via Rep. Burges.THIS CHICK ROCKS!
    Let’s move to AZ!

    Arizona pushing stringent immigration laws….

    Oklahoma trying for approval for militias….

    Tennessee enacting laws to be exempt from healthcare…….
    WoW…..is America kicking azz, or what??

  143. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Brjam // April 21, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    The original 13th amendment would also take away the citizenship of every attorney that passed the BAR and received the title of “Esquire”
    ==============================

    That is a controversial interpretation and not necessarily true.

    The IMPORTANT thing about this amemdment is that even going way back, there has been grave concern about foreign involvement in US affairs. This, in turn, just adds credibility to the argument that Natural Born Citizen means something especially restrictive.

    Other than that – this whole story is mostly a curiosity. Just ask yourself, suppose it were to come about that this amendment were re-instated? What difference would it make? Name me any activity or law or process that would be affected by this?

    My only answer is that there are a very few people who have been Knighted or perhaps, via heredity, have some obscure connection to being a Baron or a Count or something. Perhaps this amendment would specifically exclude them from office (or even citizenship?) But I don’t see that as a common every day problem.

  144. Michelle // April 22, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I thought of you when Celente said that Wall Street should all have Italian names……hilarious if not so illegal…such bastards will rot in hell……
    Do Not Steal…the Government Doesn’t Like Competition!!

  145. JJ 1:04

    You are right! I wish I still had chickens. The area I live in didn’t have barnyard restrictions years ago, but now they do. But, somehow if the SHTF, I don’t think there will be anyone to enforce the code.

    I read that free online book, ‘Lights Out’. My thoughts have changed since then. Talk about survival! You read the first page & can’t stop. The author, David Crawford, took the full book offline because he thinks it may be published soon. It took him 3 years to write & he started in 2002! I searched & found the entire book is still in one place online. If anyone wants to read it for free, better do it before it disappears.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/13475384/LightsOut-Current

  146. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Fernley Girl: I’ve been reading about it online. Someone told me that the most important thing is that everything be sterile. I saw some canning jars at Big Lots, but wondering if I should buy the name brand (Ball).

    Girls, you can use any glass jars, like jelly, jam, mayonaisse, etc.the lids and rings are the trick!!

    I’m ole country girl….know lots of tricks.
    Start keeping all jars —not throw in dump.

  147. P.S. The character in the book ‘Lights Out’, Gunny, reminds me of you Old Salt.

  148. “Obama White House dismisses ‘birther’ movement as ‘crazy’ Internet conspiracy”

    “The President has dealt with the crazy Internet rumors for years,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said on Wednesday. “I’m almost positive that no argument is somehow going to dissuade [them].”

    According to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, 58 percent of Americans said the President was born in the United States, with 20 percent believing he was born in another country (23 percent said they did not know).

    “Birther” conspiracy believers claim Obama was not born in Hawaii, as the certification of live birth (equal to a birth certificate in Hawaii) posted online in 2008 states (and confirmed by state officials, newspaper notices, and even Fox News‘ Bill O’Reilly).

    “This should have been done and gone a long time ago,” said John Avlon, author of “Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America,” on “Anderson Cooper 360″ on Wednesday.

    “It’s managed to become a very persistent conspiracy theory because … it’s feeding off of a lot of people’s worst instincts and fears that have to do with whether or not President Obama is truly American.””

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/obama-white-house-dismisses-birther-movement-as-crazy-internet-conspiracy/

  149. JJ: Where would you get rings for ordinary jars?

  150. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Thanks for that link—I have been asking the Library for that book….DUH…..

  151. JJ: Oh, you gotta read it. It’s small print, so be sure to click on the “Full Screen” button at the top. I had to search through many google pages before I found the full book. I knew it had to be somewhere on the net.

  152. Off the subject but worth sharing: From now on I am borrowing a term coinced by Sherman Tank. “OBAMACIDE”

    Obamacide

    We are witnessing the death of America as we once knew it and as our founding fathers envisioned our freedoms to be.

    I have coined the term “Obamacide” to be indicative of the taking away the life of America.

    Submitted by SHERMAN TANK on Thu, 04/22/10 – 11:47 AM »

  153. I know there’s a fairly new book ‘One Second After’. But, I heard it’s not nearly as good as ‘Lights Out’.

  154. NancyDrew @ 12:55 pm
    Nancy-Ball canning jars have been around forever. A source of jars can be garage sales, rummage sales, but you will need to get new lids, and those seal things-the rubber gasket things. I don’t can too paranoid about giving anyone botulism (who knew people would inject this stuff in their faces-scary). I would have to take canning lessons-sterility is very important I know that-then you put it in the pressure cooker and stuff-I’ve seen it done, but I’m too inexperienced.

  155. Michelle: LOL about putting it in their faces. I have never done it, obviously. I’m scared of poisoning someone, too. But I’d have to do it in an ordinary pot or something, because I am scared to death of pressure cookers.

  156. I just heard on Chicago radio, Blago wants to subpoena obama and put him on the stand. Blago sez it’s for “collaborating testimony”.

  157. JJ @ 1:15 pm
    My sisters mother-in-law and my mother canned. Warning neophytes it gets hot in the kitchen, wish I had paid more attention. JJ you could give lessons and canning is a lot more fun when you do it with friends.

  158. Yeah, JJ, Give us canning instructions, you ‘ole country girl……..please.

    But if she starts reading that story, she may be absent for a while. I know I was. LOL

  159. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    JJ: Where would you get rings for ordinary jars?

    I just cooked hominy from Mennonites…pretty good (and not all that sodium used for canning at the manufacturers)…..canned 3 jars and used pickle jars, etc…the Ball lids and rings fit the jars…just be sure the lid with the rubber around it fits the jar top.

    After cooling, I take the ring from the canned good, use it elsewhere, and reuse when canned item cools…if canning occurred properly, it’s hard to knock those lids off and saves money not buying so many rings……every little bit helps.
    Also, scared of what’s coming, so am using all my frozen from freezer quickly.

  160. GORDO @1:17 pm
    “President Obama is truly American” besides that I wonder if he is truly sane.

  161. Reese 1:37

    Whoa! Obama on the stand, now that could get interesting. That is, if they allow that to happen.

  162. Certainly if LIBERAL JACKA$$ES CAN hijack the once proud Democratic Party then us WHACKO BIRTHERS can hijack whatever else is left. Maybe even a HELL OF A LOT of disillusioned LIBERALS. Maybe enough of them will be REALLY PI$$ED off enough to want a little vengeance against their MESSIAH. All we will need to do is offer them a few words of encouragement,and yell SIC EM boy, go get em, tear em a new anus.

  163. Reese // April 22, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I just heard on Chicago radio, Blago wants to subpoena obama and put him on the stand. Blago sez it’s for “collaborating testimony”.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Yeah, great!!! Been wondering if that would happen………times, they are achanging!!

  164. Jacqlyn Smith

    ===============
    $400 is actually very cheap for a 2 day seminar with all the docuemntation and support they give you.
    There are 2 hour seminars that are more expensive than that.

    But I also understand that times are tough and $400 is alot of money.

    The sacrifice he makes and all the hours he puts into these effort for free. The time he stays away from his family and affairs, etc. it is well worth the $400. I don’t think he is gettign rich from this and if he is good for him.

    ******************************************

    I agree Peter….doing those Seminars is his business…..he does a lot of free advising on the side too which is quite generous of him…..I just don’t have the $400 to shell out right now!

  165. NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Yeah, JJ, Give us canning instructions, you ‘ole country girl……..please.

    But if she starts reading that story, she may be absent for a while. I know I was. LOL
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nancy, I will start reading that as soon as I return from singing at the nursing home tonight…it’s our turn, and I appreciate the link…God intervening?? Again??

  166. Food prices jumped by 2.4 percent in March, the most since January 1984. Vegetable prices soared by more than 49 percent, the most in 15 years. A cold snap wiped out much of Florida’s tomato and other vegetable crops at the beginning of this year.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wholesale-prices-rise-in-apf-299827519.html?x=0&.v=4

  167. Citizen Don in California

    NancyDrew @ 12:55 pm
    ////////////////
    FYI:
    A pressure cooker comes with a booklet that gives directions and recipes for canning. There are also websites that cover all aspects of home canning. Just do a web search for “home canning”. I didn’t say “google” because I don’t trust or care for them.

    I do some home canning myself. I buy frozen vegs and then can them since the freezen may go out.

    Best of luck.

  168. Godless Dims have a Death Grip on Blacks.

    ( I say they have a Death Grip on many including most Catholics and many Christians).

    A new political action committee (PAC) has been formed to run conservative black candidates against liberal black members of Congress.

    Bishop E.W. Jackson, Sr., has set up the Stand America PAC to challenge members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Jackson tells OneNewsNow that that contingent of lawmakers does not represent black Americans.

    “They are pro-abortion, they are pro-homosexuality, they are pro-gay marriage — and the black community doesn’t agree with any of these things…and it is time [those lawmakers] were challenged,” he vows. “[O]ur PAC is going to challenge them, recruit candidates, and ultimately see to it that they are defeated, and that the black community has an alternative leadership to look to.”

    According to Jackson, members of the Congressional Black Caucus have insulted the black community by “conflating the black struggle for civil rights with …

    READ ON:
    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=983024

  169. Don 1:48

    I KNEW you weren’t a dumb ‘ole country boy. Good for you knowing how to can! I got a pressure cooker many years ago as a wedding gift, never used it. My Mom had one explode once & food was everywhere. I’ve heard canning can be done with a canner (isn’t that an ordinary pot with lid – the right size, of course)?

  170. JJ 1:47

    Bless you, singing at the nursing home. I used to do that with my Girl Scout troop when I was a leader. The nursing home patients loved it!

  171. NancyDrew & JJ…..

    I wonder if obama would lie while under oath?
    🙂

  172. Anybody who lives in a town having a COUNTY EXTENSION OFFICE can utilise the material that they might have to offer. Sometimes they work together with the 4H organisation. In Fort Wayne our County extension even has food preservation classes. This includes dehydration,freezing,and canning both with hot water,and pressure canner. Be careful if you decide to purchase a pressure canner. A “pressure cooker” will not satisfactorily can anything. The pressure canner is what you will need for food preservation in jars. Pressure canners can be used as pressure cookers but not vice versa. Things like tomatos can be done in hot water bath because they are high acid. Food items having low acid content must be done in a pressure canner. A hell of a lot safer.

  173. Citizen Don in California

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/

    Eye of the Obama

    snip—

    As a closing note which will surprise all, Barack Hussein Obama has not been certified yet by any of the 50 United States to be President. All the States did by their Secretaries was to certify the “election results”.
    There is an incredible legal difference between ballot box counts and legitimate assent that Obama is President of these United States by legal documentation.
    No state certified this as no state had any legal proof as Obama is undocumented.
    ////////////////
    I wonder if the certification by the states is required?

  174. Citizen Don in California

    NancyDrew // April 22, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    //////////////
    That is called water canning and can be done with some vegs, but not all.

    There is a website I used to visit quite often that had a lot of good info for canning and for living off the land — country living — farms etc. I will look and see if I can find it.

  175. Reese 2:01

    The usurper lie? When has he ever lied? 😉

  176. Don: “There is a website I used to visit quite often that had a lot of good info for canning and for living off the land — country living — farms etc. I will look and see if I can find it.”

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    Thank you Don. I appreciate your advice & everyone else’s, too!

  177. Old Salt 2:01:

    Thanks Old Salt. Safer definitely sounds better. I would like to can alot of tomatoes.

  178. Two articles. Is it RAP working?

    1. http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2010/04/montana-unauthorized-practice-commission-dissolved.html

    2. Restore America Plan – South Carolina Nonviolent Criminals Released
    Rec’d from B. – 1st posting ever – Very Nice and Thanks
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    Hello John,

    I have never posted on a forum and I would rather not as I am more of a quiet person but I thought this news report was interesting enough to mention in relation to RAP. I emailed you directly as I don’t know the first thing about posting comments or forums.

    On our local news last night, here in South Carolina it was reported that Gov. Sanford has a new bill called the Sentencing Reform Bill. It has already passed the full house, passed the senate subcommittee yesterday. The bill would save the tax payers 317 million to keep new prisons from being built because they will no longer send nonviolent criminals to prison. They stated that only violent criminals would be locked up and they would be locked up longer. Things like lewd acts on minors would now be considered a violent crime.

    The commission who came up with this bill state that 49% of prisoners committed nonviolent crimes such as DUS, shoplifting and forgery. They also stated that people with drug convictions would go to treatment and testing programs instead of jail.

    The reason I thought this important is because it is stated in the RAP declarations (which I have read) that nonviolent or rather crimes without a victim would no longer be prosecuted and prisoners would be released from prison early on who are in prison due to victimless so called crimes.

    Anyway, I thought it was very interesting because I have not heard of this happening before. Normally they are very happy to put people in prison for the least little thing.

    I am sure it would be easy to verify my story, as I said the name of the bill is: Sentencing Reform Bill. Fits right in, does it not?

    Thanks for your time, I hope you find it as interesting as I did.

  179. citizenwells

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  180. All during WW2 my mother grew vegatetables, and canned them. We had chickens,and occasionally one or two received a coup de grace, and the meat from them was also canned. She owned a pressure canner that looked like some sort of device that would expect in a JULES VERNE story. It was an old prewar National diecast pressure canner. Yes they existed then also. She used it all during ww2, and up into the 1950s. She finally bought herself a new PRESTO CANNER. She continued to can food up into the 60s before she decided there was no longer any real justification. However she continued to have a HUGE garden every year well up into the mid 70s. To this day I marvel at the accomplishments of people who found themselves having to do these things during WW2. There was rationing of all kinds. There was three of us kids. She worked in a defense factory (GE) swing shift came home done washing,houscleaning, and still found time to grow food, can veggies,and keep us kids clothed,and fed. Today I have difficulty figuring out how she done it all. On top of all of that we did not have a bathroom. Only a old tub in the basement of the old farmhouse we lived in. Had the little house with the crescent moon in the door, in which there was always a REARS AND SAWBUCK catalog handy.The old farmhouse was rented to my dad for $30.00 a month. We were sort of like ART LINKLETTER. who once stated that his family never knew there was a depression going on, because they had always lived as though there was one going on.

  181. This was the coldest weather Florida had in 30 years-before my time. Not only did it get too cold it did it too often. I’m sure farmers have new crops of tomatoes in the fields right now. If you really love tomatoes probably wouldn’t hurt to purchase a plant.
    http://www.topnews.in/florida-tomato-crop-declines-70-due-freezing-weather-conditions-2255560
    Florida Tomato crop declines by 70% due to freezing weather conditions

  182. Hi, Linda of N.Y. (8:37AM) –

    “This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this.
    Last September, Zbigniew Brzezinski, former foreign adviser to US president Jimmy Carter and current advisor to Barack Obama, called for the US to shoot down Israeli jets.”
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    If the US ever shot down Israeli jets on a mission to protect their homeland – the only country the Israelis have, and, I might add, our only real ally in the region – we can count on grave – GRAVE – consequences from Almighty God, Who promised Abram in Genesis 12: 2 & 3:
    “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing; and I will BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE and CURSE HIM THAT CURSETH THEE; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

    I know there are varying opinions about Zionism vs. true Israel. Those opinions are galore, but don’t let those differences obscure the real issue here: The land of Israel was given to the Jews by God. If America lays a hand on Israel in any way that would cause the Israelis harm, we can no longer expect the protection of God. I believe R. Reagan said something like, “If America is not a nation under God, then it will be a nation gone under.”

    There are many things I greatly fear about BO – truly many, but nothing compares with his recklessness re. Israel. No doubt, he is a muslim, at least in heart, and that alone puts our nation in serious jeopardy. Consequently, he is very unlikely to regard Israel the way our God does. This is not to say that everything Israel does is right. The truth is, this is the land that God has given, but they have a long way to go in their acknowledgment of God’s claim upon them.

    It can’t be said more strongly, “AMERICA, DON’T LAY A HAND ON ISRAEL!”

    Thanks for bearing with me.

  183. NancyDrew @ 1:34 pm
    You don’t have to be afraid of a pressure cooker, but you do have to pay attention when using them. Sometimes it is easier to learn by what NOT to do. I will use an example from real life of what NOT to do.
    The scene: My freshly painted kitchen.
    The crime against the ceiling:
    My brother came home from work he was starving-he fills the pressure cooker to the top (you never do that). Turns the heat up to full blast-puts the lid on it. Then he went upstairs to take a shower. The pressure cooker did what it was designed to do-it sprayed green split pea soup stuff all over my freshly painted ceiling. I come home from work-What is this a scene from Rosemary’s Baby? Me to my brother who is scrubbing the evidence off the ceiling-take a wild guess which one of the two of us is going to repaint? the first choice is not me. Tough love works, he never did that again.

  184. Michelle 2:35:

    That’s why I’m afraid of those things. Can you imagine is someone was near it when it blew? In my Mom’s case, I remember it was baked beans on the ceiling.

    Old Salt 2:27:

    Your story sounds like what I heard from my parents. I never ever thought we would even be talking about experiencing that again. Very naive to think that, I guess. History repeats itself.

  185. Should the US ever venture to shoot a Israeli jet out of the air they in turn would most likely take one of ours out of the air. These people have always acted quickly an eye for an eye,and a tooth for a tooth. Bet on it! They would have complete justification.

  186. oldsalt78 // April 22, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    My husband’s family was a lot poorer than mine…his mother sealed her canned goods and yes, chickens, etc, with parafin at the top.

    Go figure!!

  187. I mean no offense to anyone anywhere,but I believe that the Israeli pilots are everybit as well trained as our pilots are. They have their own sort of tactics that could easily be used to bring down one of our aircraft. I believe that it will never happen unless the US is first to act. If we do we have lost a extremely valuable ally,and the USURPUR should be immediately placed in preisonn for such a violation.Then charged with treason,and prosecuted to the letter of the law. He should be made to FEEL the insanity of his act.

  188. Oldsalt at 3:04, I agree with you completely.

  189. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    What oldsalt78 said.

  190. TO:
    Reese // April 22, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    NancyDrew & JJ…..

    I wonder if obama would lie while under oath?
    ==================

    Obamaliar lied when he under Larry Sinclair he will lie when he is under, over, beside, etc. He is an equal opportunity liar protected by inFERmative Action Fraudlaws

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