Blagojevich trial continues Monday July 19, 2010, Prosecution rests case
The prosecution in the Rod Blagojevich trial rested their case yesterday, Tuesday, July 13, 2010. The prosecution, the US Justice Department has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt what their agenda is. Protecting Obama.
No Tony Rezko testimony.
No Stuart Levine (key witness in Rezko trial) testimony.
Focusing primarily on the selling of the senate seat.
No in depth exploration of Blagojevich’s part in rigging the IL Health Planning Facilities Board.
This explains why the Justice Dept. organized the Indictment more generally than the Criminal Complaint.
More evidence that the US Justice Department is corrupt and racially biased.
Citizen WElls 
Since he did not actually sell the Senate Seat, Does he sue for losing his Office? Is there any talk about Michelles 300k pay to play job at the Hospital?
RICOHbama’s got big things to accomplish for his sponsors and they aren’t going to let him go to jail because he’s their point man. Why else would we have someone who reduced the number of members on a health planning board in order to benefit his cronies engineering a massive health care bill along with SEIU,etc. RICOHbama always pays back his sponsors.
Immigration reform might happen before the November elections. Rep. Luis Guitierrez (D-IL) is on C-Span right now saying he thinks they will start to craft an immigration bill during the recess so that its on tap when Congress returns. Guitierrez obviously believes that strategically placing the incentive of amnesty before the illegals will be enough to sway the election in favor of the administration and the status quo.
Guitierrez is acting quite odd, btw. He’s alternately whispering and talking his answers to Greta. He just admitted that although the border is more secure that many of the illegals are coming in through the airports as visitors, students, visa workers and aren’t leaving. By his statistics some 40% of the illegals here came in on work visas and stayed. He was acting strangely, alternately talking and whispering his answers to the host like he’s on something, probably some of the same stuff his Chicago pal likes. He whispered, “Why do you think they’re coming over the border. They want jobs.” He’s laying out their plan right in front of us, don’t doubt it. The only way Guitierrez could get elected is by people with limited education and respect for the law.
RICOHbama doesn’t give a damn if he transforms parts of this country into third world status. Or, if he starts a race war in the streets. Sending the First Lady to encourage people to agitate is a new low. So much for Michelle emulating Jackie Kennedy.
Why Did Gibbs Say GOP Could Retake House?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/14/did-gibbs-say-gop-retake-house/
NAACP Threatens Tea Party Patriots on Twitter
http://tinyurl.com/37md92a
There’s plenty of proof for Grand Jury Indictments of BHO & his co-conspirators in County Courts all across America.
There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Tom w. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this Mississippi:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
It is time (while we still have a conservative majority on SCOTUS) to form Citizen Grand Juries in our local counties and indict BHO & his co-conspirators in our State Courts for crimes committed by his campaign in 2007 & 2008.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville
Bill O’Reilly Interviews Man Who Called Beaten Black Tea Partier An ‘Uncle Tom’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5qZ9emllSA&feature=player_embedded
Get ready. Here it comes. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid revealed today that he has a draft cap-and-tax monstrosity in the works. The Dems are gearing up for debate this month.
Or rather, “debate.” Remember what Democrat Max Baucus said about his own colleagues — they don’t know “what the heck” they are doing as they ram through “message” bills and amendments instead of actual legislation.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/13/heads-up-cap-and-tax-showdown-is-coming/
Muslim Holidays Coming to a NYC Schools Calendar Near You
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/muslim-holidays.html
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Taxes To Fight Obesity?
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/soda.tax.obesity.2.1803209.html
U.S. soldiers can be court-martialed for protecting selves
American fighters endangered by violations of ‘rules of engagement’
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=178541
Video: Montana School District To Teach Sex Education In Kindergarten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3wG52-rEE&feature=player_embedded
There’s plenty of proof for Grand Jury Indictments of BHO & his co-conspirators in County Courts all across America.
There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Judge Thomas W. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this Mississippi:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
It is time (while we still have a conservative majority on SCOTUS) to form Citizen Grand Juries in our local counties and indict BHO & his co-conspirators in our State Courts for crimes committed by his campaign in 2007 & 2008.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville
Is there really any doubt that the order to drop the New Black Panther intimidation case came from the White House? This has been bo’s modus operandi since he was a community “organizer,” i.e., a street thug in Chicago.
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 8:53 am
Get ready. Here it comes. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid revealed today that he has a draft cap-and-tax monstrosity in the works.
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Reid committed vote fraud in every County in Nevada. Surely there must be 25 Patriots in Nevada with the guts to indict Reid & bo for their crimes in Nevada.
Day 86……believe it when you see it!
Government’s view of the economy can be summerized in a few short phrases:
If it moves tax it.
If it keeps moving regulate it, and if it stops moving subsidize it!
R Reagan
I saw pretty much all of the other articles on the Gulf Oil Spill, but this one raises an eyebrow.
http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doomsday-how-bp-gulf-disaster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event
Sam Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 12:31 pm
From today’s e-mail:: Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
From today’s e-mail::
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Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
1. 4 Weeks before the BP blowout Obama builds an alibi—“I am opening offshore drilling off of all the Coastal U.S.” Goldman Sachs dumps nearly all of its stock 40%+ in BP, a profitable winner. Days before they dump the rest.
2. BP ignores the advice of all the drilling contractors on making the well safe. BRITISH Petroleum had a manager directing drilling who had never been on an offshore rig before, that purposely ignored all safety warnings. BP ignores Transoceanic warnings about a problem with the blowout preventers. BP ignores repeated warnings on numerous problems from numerous sub-contractors.
3. The well explodes under suspicious circumstances, but BP does nothing immediately to control it. Why? The Dutch offer to have it controlled in 48 hours. They are ignored.
4. Obama sacks his National Intelligence Director (a Navy Admiral) who cannot comment on intelligence, or the reasons he was sacked because of Federal Laws.
5. BP top fills the well but it fails as predicted in advance by numerous oil professionals causing downhole damage to the well which has
caused a massive pollution of the southern U.S. The way they bungled
everything, the Gulf will be dead for decades!
6. Obama now declares ALL drilling is suspended in the Gulf and makes numerous PR trips to the Gulf to look like he is outraged.
7. John Podesta is Obama’s man that built his cabinet, and all his Czars
8. John Podesta is also head of George Soros ‘Center for American Progress’ (a socialist organization dedicated to killing capitalism in America and for building according to Soros “A New World Order”)
9. John Podesta’s brother is the lead lobbyist for British Petroleum, whose services are now in huge demand.
10. Soros was a huge contributor to Obama’s campaign
11. Soros invested $900 million in Petrobras, the Brazilian government controlled oil company that plans on drilling offshore in Brazil, yet cannot get the deepwater rigs operating in the Gulf
12. Days after Soros investment, Obama grants $2 billion to Petrobras of U.S. taxpayers dollars to drill offshore in Brazil….the company nets over $15 Billion annually
13. U.S. drilling companies must do something with their now idled rigs and are planning on moving them off to South America—-to Petrobras which will supply the oil to the U.S. as an Import
14. Obama gives a patsy White House Oval Office speech on the disaster, but also during the speech he states the need for Carbon Taxes….Cap and Trade.
15. The carbon tax exchange will be based in…You guessed it…….Chicago….and called the CCX…..The CHICAGO Climate Exchange
The Joyce Foundation, a private U.S. foundation which provides funding and support to initiatives focusing on education, environment and employment in the Great Lakes region. The Joyce Foundation was established in 1948 by Beatrice Joyce Kean of Chicago . Since its inception, the foundation has made grants of more than $600 million.
Some of those grants include $1.1 million to Richard Sandor in 2000-2001 to create the Chicago Climate Exchange. Former Board of Directors’
members include President Barack Obama (1994-2002) and Valerie Jarrett, his top adviser.
Who will benefit from the Chicago Climate Exchange….You guessed it…..Obama and his buddies, Goldman Sachs and the Chicago crew.
Who will benefit from Obama’s shutdown of drilling in the Gulf……You guessed it……Obama and his buddy George Soros
Who benefits from Obama sending $2 Billion of taxpayer dollars to a company that Nets $15 Billion per year…..You guessed it…….Obama and his buddies.
Who is Obama screwing again…..You guessed it…..American Citizens.
Barack Hussein Obama is intent on the total destruction of America.
He does nothing to stop the Illegal invasion from Mexico, he does nothing to fix the banking problem, he does nothing to stop the blowout, he DOES NOTHING to stop the downfall of America while he plays golf, travels to Ohio for 10 minute speeches at a cost of $750,000, listens to Paul McCartney concerts, and goes to baseball games in NY. What do you expect from someone that never produced his Birth Certificate, has gone around the world Apologizing for America ’s past actions, and bowing to the head of the Muslim World.
Sam Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 12:31 pm
From today’s e-mail:: Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
3. The well explodes under suspicious circumstances, but BP does nothing immediately to control it. Why? The Dutch offer to have it controlled in 48 hours. They are ignored.
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Also, bo sent SWAT Teams to the Gulf to prevent investigation of the boTerrorist explosion of the BP rig. Now bo has ordered a news blackout so that the truth about bo’s act of Terrorism can not be investigated.
Thanks to Sam Sewell and Free Speech for information on grand juries. I think grand jury indictments are the way to go to get rid of Obama.
Richard // July 14, 2010 at 10:32 am
What was described in the email to Sam is much more plausible.
Thanks Plain Girl. Sam and many others have been working hard on the formation of Grand Juries for a long time.
Finally, Patriots are beginning to get so fed up with bo, congress & the dept of injustice that they are looking to take action.
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
Plains Girl,
Even Patriots who can not form a Grand Jury themselves can help by sending these links to everyone on their email lists:
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
Free Speech @ 11:28 am
I have a question-I had to spend a lot of time at Hines Veterans Hospital in Chicago-my father, god-father, uncles-
My question is: Can a secret grand jury be formed in a military hospital? I know some of the guys would be in for a very long time, for example I think my god-father was in there for about a year, maybe longer-everyone else the longest 3-4 days.
The CIA website reports that Mexico’s population is 112,468,855 (July 2010 est.).
Between 20-30 million illegals are in the U.S. That mean approx 20% of Mexico’s population has invaded the U.S.
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Our History of Illegal Immigrants:
With approximately one thousand Border Patrol Agents, beginning in July, 1954, Eisenhower began rounding up and arresting Latino looking people who were randomly checked and could not provide ID.
Throughout July more than one thousand illegal aliens were apprehended daily and though about 50,000 were directly deported by INS in this time frame, estimations are that nearly half a million returned home via their own volition.
The program concluded within only a few months, INS claiming that more than 1 million illegal aliens were repatriated to their homeland of Mexico.
The American mood in 1954 was not much different than it is today, nor was it different in 1945 after WWII, or different in 1929 after the stock market crash.
In each era illegal aliens were deported to open employment opportunities for American citizens. Presidents: Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, and Herbert Hoover……
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37963
Michelle // July 14, 2010 at 11:49 am
That’s a great idea. Also civic clubs, church groups, Tea Party groups etc. are great for forming a Grand Jury.
Certainly,as former military now civilian citizen they have a Constitutional right to form a Citizens Grand Jury. Of course they need to keep their deliberations secret from the Hospital Administration.
Lillebet – 8:18 AM
RICOHbama doesn’t give a damn if he transforms parts of this country into third world status. Or, if he starts a race war in the streets
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He doesn’t only not care, IT’S HIS PLAN.
That is the way Marxists operate when they plan to take over a country. It’s happening right under our noses.
hapnHal // July 14, 2010 at 10:31 am
Day 86……believe it when you see it!
Government’s view of the economy can be summerized in a few short phrases:
If it moves tax it.
If it keeps moving regulate it, and if it stops moving subsidize it!
R Reagan
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Thanks for reminding me of Reagan’s statement.
Don’t you just love it?
I am ex-military and have lots of ex-military friends so thanks for the idea Michelle.
Free Speech @ 12:01 pm
Thank you free speech, I think most military guys in our veterans hospitals would love doing this, and keep them out of mischief-occupy their minds, these guys really take their Constitutional oaths seriously.
My god-father and one of my uncles were not the best behaved patients you ever met. God Bless all care-givers.
Michelle // July 14, 2010 at 12:17 pm
IMHO helping with the legal removal of the bo regime is the most important thing that I have ever done for my Country. Hopefully, our Nation will never experience a crisis like bo again.
God Bless America!
Plains Girl @ 12:11 pm
I didn’t mean to exclude the female members of our military-Hines was all guys at least when we were going there.
Free Speech @ 12:24 pm
God Bless America! and to that I would add, Thank you God for America, protect all the good things she stands for since her founding, banish all traitors “In God We Trust”.
I’m hanging on to “In God We Trust” for all it’s worth, for myself and all my loyal American friends, family, co-workers, those servicing in our military. You can’t be pro-America and anti-America and her values at the same time, impossible.
FYI; Below is a link to a 1.5 hour interview with Lucas Smith recorded yesterday July 13, 2010. He answers some of the questions regarding his trip to Mombassa, Kenya to procure Obama’s BC:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/christiannewsreview/2010/07/13/christian-news-review
The actual interview starts after the 34 minute mark.
Global Sentiment builds to Attack Iran
Obama is going to be tempted to double down on Iran, because when he concludes that Afghanistan will remain a festering sore and Iraq is still hounded by sectarian violence, the bombing of Iran “may give Obama a three-front war – and a chance to retain both houses of Congress.”
This is the opinion of well-respected Arnaud De Borchgrave.
Read more details:
http://www.newsmax.com/deBorchgrave/Iran-Iraq-airstrikes-US/2010/07/13/id/364492
Afternoon!
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/a-question-for-the-media/
Thank you but I did not take offense Michelle
God Bless America
God Bless the US Military, men and women
Plains Girl @ 12:57 pm
I didn’t want to exclude the ladies, they just didn’t “attend” Hines Veteran Hospital, but women have always served our country honorably and well-in so many different capacities.
As we approach November, BHO has a developing potpourri of options to “postpone” or suspend elections, if that is his game plan:
1. Attack Iran (the resulting aftermath would
create chaos for some time)
2. Uprising over illegals and border issues
3. Threats (created) of voter intimidation and
fraud
4. Increasing complications arising from Gulf
disaster – perhaps, evacuations (could be
staged)
5. ? (anything BHO wants to create – He has
plenty of choices and cohorts to work with)
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:46 am
Is there really any doubt that the order to drop the New Black Panther intimidation case came from the White House? This has been bo’s modus operandi since he was a community “organizer,” i.e., a street thug in Chicago.
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How absolutely true!! Just because we have always seen BHO appearing nicely in political circles, we are apt to forget what stuff he is really made of. He is worse than a “low life.”
Michelle // July 14, 2010 at 11:49 am
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It would seem like these Vets might have even stronger options. I am convinced (by much evidence during this whole Obamanation) that no court up or down the ladder is going to touch Commander Zero. I remain firmly convinced that this battle will be won in the Court Of Public Opinion. Since the MSM has tanked, what we need is Bully Pulpits and Credible Public Figures.
These guys need to be strong and vocally support all attempts to get at the truth. Especially LtC Lakin. They need to show exceptional solidarity and moral support with him.
They can help explain to the public (who has long forgot) the importance of Nuremberg and the Geneva Conventions – and the resultant necessity of NOT always following orders.
They can help educate that the officer’s oath is to the country and the constitution, and not to the leader(s). They can further emphasize why this is important and not just some archaic artifact.
FS figuratively shot himself in the foot when he demanded I do more research (which I do anyway). I found seminal academic articles on the subject that explain why CGJ’s used to work, why they don’t today, and possibly how to make them work in the future. In this regard FS and SS (aka ATH) are right – we need Grand Juries to be more citizen driven and less ‘supervised’ by the judicial branch. I think we can all agree with that. But the issue is, and the meat of the thing, they do not and will not work today. I will be posting some things from my research soon so you can get it straight from the horses mouth, rather than filtered or diluted by anyone (including me, of course).
My iron-clad guarantee – as always: “Don’t believe anything I say, look it up for yourself”.
And – best of all – if anybody can show even one example of a self-initiated (not court appointed and pre-approved) Grand Jury doing anything broadly significant in the last 60 years. I will eat my dose of crow pie.
Cabby – AZ // July 14, 2010 at 1:03 pm
As we approach November, BHO has a developing potpourri of options to “postpone” or suspend elections, if that is his game plan:
1. Attack Iran (the resulting aftermath would
create chaos for some time)
2. Uprising over illegals and border issues
3. Threats (created) of voter intimidation and
fraud
4. Increasing complications arising from Gulf
disaster – perhaps, evacuations (could be
staged)
5. ? (anything BHO wants to create – He has
plenty of choices and cohorts to work with
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously, this idea is widespread!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-clinton-official-only-a-terror-attack-can-save-obama.html
BANNED TOPICS ?
OK, folks, according to my newfound ‘light’, I am no longer recommending avoiding particular persons. Instead, I am avoiding specific topics. If anybody wishes to exercise solidarity with me and to try to keep focused on meaningful discussions that might solve our current CRISIS, here is my preliminary list of ‘no fly zones’:
R-store America Pl-n
Good Palestinians / Bad Israelis
9/11 ‘Truth’
Self-initiated Citizen Grand Juries
I will update this list periodically as I see fit. I’m also open to suggestions from other readers as to which topics have worn out their welcome.
Cabby – AZ // July 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:46 am
Is there really any doubt that the order to drop the New Black Panther intimidation case came from the White House? This has been bo’s modus operandi since he was a community “organizer,” i.e., a street thug in Chicago.
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How absolutely true!! Just because we have always seen BHO appearing nicely in political circles, we are apt to forget what stuff he is really made of. He is worse than a “low life.”
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I’m not sure how we organize this into a legal or binding action. But I strongly feel that this is the absolute core of the issue.
This guy is NOTHING but a common urban street thug. The haircut and suit are all lies. The true Zero has an attitude and a haircut like his Black Panther friends, and probably wears a hoodie.
When I was young in the South, there was much angst about Black people trying to “pass” as White. Both Blacks and Whites hated such people. Tones of racism, yes, but the real issue was the LIE.
We have taken noble strides to eliminate racism, but have over-reached into detrimental Political Correctness. We have lost many useful concepts. The concept of “passing” is a critical case in point. I don’t care about color or ethnicity, but a crook trying to pass as pillar of the community, or a barbarian trying to pass as civilized, needs to be called out and named the name.
Zero has attempted the greatest “pass” of all time, and so far has succeeded.
Just found out that Rep. Luis Gutierrez has already crafted a bill for immigration reform and that the House may vote on it as early as tomorrow!
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:HR04321:@@@P
Article on Gutierrez’s House website dated today states that Republicans Lincoln Diaz Balart and Mario Balart think it could pass as early as tomorrow. To whit, I say, why not, it’s not as though any of them actually will read all 800 pages of this bill before they vote on it. Passing it in haste and repenting at leisure is de riguer for our Congress critters.
http://www.gutierrez.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=598:rep-gutierrez-qimmigration-reform-still-possible-this-yearq&catid=43:2010-press-releases
Michelle // July 14, 2010 at 11:49 am
carlyle is BS-ing again. He has not cited any facts or law to support his ill-informed claims.
Nor has cc responded to this comment: I don’t care if bo & co-conspirators are indicted by a standing Grand Jury, a special Grand Jury, a Federal Grand Jury, a State Grand Jury, a Citizens Grand Jury or whatever as long as bo & co-conspirators are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Why hasn’t cc responded because my statement disarms his straw man, red herring arguments when I state that I don’t care about how the Grand Jury is formed. Then cc is forced into the position of saying Grand Juries “don’t work.”
How ridiculous is that cc argument? A Grand Jury indicted Blago. A Grand Jury indicted Rezko and Grand Juries will indict bo and the rest of his co-conspirators.
If cc is anti-Grand Jury, then he might as well say he is anti-Constitution and anti-American!
They come like they are Patriots but inevitably the boBots show their false flag colors.
There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Judge Thomas W. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this Mississippi:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
It is time (while we still have a conservative majority on SCOTUS) to form Citizen Grand Juries in our local counties and indict BHO & his co-conspirators in our State Courts for crimes committed by his campaign in 2007 & 2008.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread205683/pg1
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I was wonderin why Carlyle and Cabby kept harping about Grand Juries not working. Now I understand. Thank you Free Speech. I did have to go to wiki to get definitions though.
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet weaker proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.[1] For example, in mystery fiction, an innocent party may be purposefully cast as highly suspicious through emphasis or descriptive techniques; attention is drawn away from the true guilty party.
Cuban Survives Trip in Styrofoam Boat
He was found floating for about 25 days off the coast of Florida.
If the migrant does not need emergency hospital care, then it’s possible he might be sent back to Cuba.
In general, under the wet-foot/dry-foot policy Cuban migrants intercepted at sea are sent back to Cuba — unless they require emergency hospital care on land or potentially qualify for resettlement in a third country.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/13/1729144/cuban-migrant-found-after-25-days.html#ixzz0tgM91iK4
This is the reason why I’ve brought this forward. Here’s a man who desperately wanted to leave Cuba to come to America – from communism to freedom.
Just because he didn’t set foot on Florida soil he may be sent back.
Yet on our southern borders we are deluged with illegals – by the tens of thousands – and it is apparently OK with the feds that they stay. The above example, as it was with little Elian Gonzalez in 2000, is one of the
reasons that we as a nation need to repent before God, because do you honestly think that sending back this refugee to Cuba, where he will probably be imprisoned or killed, is OK with the Almighty? Why should God look favorably upon America in light of these injustices?
May someone at Immigration will have a conscience for a change.
WATCH IS VIDEO ON COMMUNIST RULES NOTICE THE FIRST RULE DEALS WITH CHILDREN SEX ED IN SCHOOLS , PLEASE PASS THIS VIDEO ON
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I was wonderin why Carlyle and Cabby kept harping about Grand Juries not working. Now I understand.
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May I ask how long you have been reading the discussions here at CW’s concerning CGJ’s?
Days, weeks, months? Just asking, you don’t need to respond unless you so desire.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I was wonderin why Carlyle and Cabby kept harping about Grand Juries not working. Now I understand. Thank you Free Speech. I did have to go to wiki to get definitions though.
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If you credit Leo’s work in the future, next time, you would do better to look up the actual case he mentions to bolster his point. (And ask yourself why he only mentions cases, sans cites/links.)
Below is the link to Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, the case he keeps mentioning to support his claim, a grand jury can indict on charges not brought by the prosecuting attorney. And that much of his statement is true. However, this case points to the problem inherent in Leo’s insistence that citizen initiated grand juries can issue criminal indictments. That is, in this case, the grand jury that issued an indictment upheld by the court, the request for which indictment did not come from the prosecuting attorney – indeed, the indictment was against her – was convened in the first place by the courts.
In other words, Leo still has failed to provide the example requested by both C-AZ and CC(FUBO) of a citizen initiated grand jury issuing an indictment that is recognized by the court.
Here’s a link for the case Leo keeps mentioning.
http://www.mslawyer.com/mssc/cases/971218/9501309.html
(Incidentally, I got to this link through the web site about grand juries which I posted here yesterday,
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I was wonderin why Carlyle and Cabby kept harping about Grand Juries not working. Now I understand. Thank you Free Speech. I did have to go to wiki to get definitions though.
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.[1] To “attack a straw man” is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet weaker proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.[1] For example, in mystery fiction, an innocent party may be purposefully cast as highly suspicious through emphasis or descriptive techniques; attention is drawn away from the true guilty party.
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Thanks, Plains Girl!
jbjd // July 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm
And your point is what exactly?
I was referring to Free Speech and Sam Sewell’s good research on Grand Juries.
I’m sorry but your comment doesn’t make any sense jbjd.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
BANNED TOPICS ?
OK, folks, according to my newfound ‘light’, I am no longer recommending avoiding particular persons. Instead, I am avoiding specific topics. If anybody wishes to exercise solidarity with me and to try to keep focused on meaningful discussions that might solve our current CRISIS, here is my preliminary list of ‘no fly zones’:
R-store America Pl-n
Good Palestinians / Bad Israelis
9/11 ‘Truth’
Self-initiated Citizen Grand Juries
I will update this list periodically as I see fit. I’m also open to suggestions from other readers as to which topics have worn out their welcome
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The dispersants are still hard at work. Guess I have not missed much.
I agree, Plains Girl. The boBot arguments are nonsensical.
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I don’t care if bo & co-conspirators are indicted by a standing Grand Jury, a special Grand Jury, a Federal Grand Jury, a State Grand Jury, a Citizens Grand Jury or whatever as long as bo & co-conspirators are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Why haven’t the boBots responded because my statement disarms their straw man, red herring arguments when I state that I don’t care about how the Grand Jury is formed. Then the boBots are forced into the position of saying Grand Juries “don’t work.”
How nonsensical is that boBot argument? A Grand Jury indicted Blago. A Grand Jury indicted Rezko and Grand Juries will indict bo and the rest of his co-conspirators.
The boBots come here pretending they are Patriots but inevitably the boBots show their false flag colors.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 3:23 pm
jbjd // July 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm
And your point is what exactly?
I was referring to Free Speech and Sam Sewell’s good research on Grand Juries.
I’m sorry but your comment doesn’t make any sense jbjd.
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Touche!
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
“BANNED TOPICS
OK, folks, according to my newfound ‘light’, I am no longer recommending avoiding particular persons. Instead, I am avoiding specific topics.”
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UR tacticsR so unintentionally TRANSPARENT.
Red herring is an idiomatic expression referring to a rhetorical tactic of diverting attention away from an item of significance.
Banning topics, isn’t that what the Nazis, Commies and boBots do? U should start your own forum CC, then you can “ban” all persons and topics that you, carlyle, don’t argree.
Please let us know of your new website, so we can avoid it. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfMNZqrmZo
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Why come to a discussion forum if you want to avoid people and discussing topics Carlyle?
Wouldn’t it be easier just to sit alone in your room and talk to yourself?
Free Speech – 4:12 PM
“Banning topics, isn’t that what the Nazis, Commies and boBots do? U should start your own forum CC, then you can “ban” all persons and topics that you, carlyle, don’t argree”
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No one here has suggested banning anyone from expressing themselves on any subject, except as
decided by CW. Free Speech, you have taken Citizen Carlyle’s post completely wrong. He is not banning others from posting, he simply is saying that certain subjects he will not respond to. In a sense my position is similar.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 3:23 pm
I’m sorry but your comment doesn’t make any sense jbjd.
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I’m sorry, Plains Girl, but her comment makes perfect sense if you are into legal matters. You seem to be a newcomer!
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Why come to a discussion forum if you want to avoid people and discussing topics Carlyle?
Wouldn’t it be easier just to sit alone in your room and talk to yourself?
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That’s HILARIOUS
Justice: Sanctuary cities are no Arizona
No plan to file lawsuits for refusing to cooperate with feds
The Obama administration said this week that there is no reason to sue so-called sanctuary cities for refusing to cooperate with federal authorities, whereas Arizona’s new immigration law was singled out because it “actively interferes” with enforcement.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/14/justice-sanctuary-cities-are-no-arizona/
It is the Obama Administration that is in conflict with federal law.
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm
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I answered your question directly and precisely. I love Grand Juries. And I think a strong possibility is for a runaway jury to indict Obama, Pelosi, and others. There is always hope in that direction. And, as you point out, it has numerous examples of working in lots of jurisdictions.
I’m just done talking about self-constituted juries. That is what you used to harp on exclusively. Now that some of us have concluded that this is a dead end, you have broadened your scope. Good for you. I support that.
Arizona Governor Can Force Obama to Prove He’s Eligible
CBS and NBC have refused to air a provocative ad from the confrontational, well-funded National Republican Trust PAC that calls on Americans to oppose the building of a mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center site.
The ad — which has about 100,000 views on YouTube — intersperses some of the most horrifying images from the Sept. 11 attacks with the sounds of Muslim prayer and images of Muslim militants. It focuses on what’s become a divisive — and partisan — issue in New York state, the erection of a Muslim cultural center on Park Place, in the neighborhood near the fallen towers.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0710/NBC_CBS_refuse_Ground_Zero_mosque_ad.html
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Michelle // July 14, 2010 at 11:49 am
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The only way you can find fault with my reasoning is to construct a proposition I have never said (is that called a strawman?). See above, grand juries are wonderful and effective. I have never said or even hinted otherwise.
NAACP Direct Tie to Black Panthers
In the past 24 hours, more than a few pundits and writers have noted that the NAACP resolution accusing Tea Partiers of racism is hard to swallow when the NAACP seems unconcerned with the New Black Panther voting intimidation case. Their points would be valid by analogy only. Their points are even more valid, though, because of a direct, rather than just analagous, tie between the NAACP and the Panther case.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jul/14/naacp-direct-tie-black-panthers/print/
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 2:30 pm
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You have been misled. I use no strawmen, ever. It is FS who continues to misrepresent things I say and answer questions I do not ask.
Maybe you haven’t been here long or have not been paying attention to this topic.
My core issue (and I believe for Cabby also) is that FS has been promoting a particular kind of black magic jury. Trying to remove the magic element and determine if this is real and how it works, Cabby and I and many others have asked legitimate rational questions.
Not ONE question has been answered. All we get is evasion, secrecy, and run around the bush. Therefore I have proclaimed this particular topic as a “no fly zone” because there is only one person who proposes this and he will not give the rest of us the needed information so we can judge for ourselves. So, there is no point in further discussing it.
And, finally, any of us who have not had RAMMED HOME the lesson of the decade: “Follow no on blindly”, then we are REALLY stupid.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 4:38 pm
More BS from U CC.
I have always been open to and promoted Grand Jury indictments of bo & co-conspirators by any Grand Jury, Conventional, Runaway, Citizens whatever.
In fact Sam entitled one of my first articles Two Ideas to Empower Patriots.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html
“You might also give your friendly Sheriff or Police Chief a call and see if you can get some assistance from local law enforcement personnel in gathering evidence against the BO campaign.”
“March 30, 2009 1:56 PM
Leo the Lawyer said…
To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.
March 31, 2009 1:58 PM “
jbjd // July 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm
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Precisely. And thank you again for the assist.
Charlotte zings Reid from beyond the grave
Her obituary, printed in Tuesday’s Review-Journal, reads in part, “We believe that Mom would say she was mortified to have taken a large role in the election of Harry Reid to U.S. Congress. Let the record show Charlotte was displeased with his work. Please, in lieu of flowers, vote for another more worthy candidate.”
http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/smith/Charlotte_zings_Reid_from_beyond_the_grave.html
Seen this on Drudge Report.
Obama faces growing credibility crisis………
It’s too bad Drudge didn’t cover the first crisis, the identity crisis , and we wouldn’t be in a Constitutional crisis ,etc.
Carlyle,
I have always been open to and promoted Grand Jury indictments of bo & co-conspirators by any Grand Jury, Conventional, Runaway, Citizens whatever.
In fact Sam entitled one of my first articles Two Ideas to Empower Patriots.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html
“You might also give your friendly Sheriff or Police Chief a call and see if you can get some assistance from local law enforcement personnel in gathering evidence against the BO campaign.”
“March 30, 2009 1:56 PM
Leo the Lawyer said…
To further clarify the point: If you live in a County with a Conservative Constitutionalist Attorney General, by all means see if you can get the Attorney General’s cooperation in presenting your criminal information against BO & his co-conspirators to the Grand Jury, i.e., you don’t need to bypass the Attorney General if he is on your side, the side of Our Constitution.
March 31, 2009 1:58 PM “
Having stated my openess to any form of Grand Jury indictment, I again question your attempts, carlyle, to dissuade and prevent Patriots from empowering themselves to form their own Grand Juries if necessary.
Congressman: WH directive to NASA confirmed
Yesterday, after a week of uproar over NASA administrator Charles Bolden’s interview on Al-Jazeera, the White House denied that Bolden had been given objectives for outreach to Muslim countries for self-esteem projects that ignored actual space objectives. That came as news to Rep. Pete Olson, the ranking Republican on the committee that oversees NASA. A month ago, Bolden informed Olson of his new mission, and Olson accused the Obama administration of lying about it to escape criticism:
http://tinyurl.com/3ynzdy7
Carville On Midterm Strategy: “The Father, The Son And The Holy Ghost”
http://tinyurl.com/33cqbud
Hey Carville, your progressive buddies running our country into the ground don’t believe in GOD so that strategy is doomed.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Why come to a discussion forum if you want to avoid people and discussing topics Carlyle?
Wouldn’t it be easier just to sit alone in your room and talk to yourself?
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Again, you are not grasping the situation. 90% or more of what is discussed here is helpful. There is a give and a take and a rational intent to mutually inform and support.
My point was that “certain people”, but now I have improved my point to be “certain topics”, have become irrational. It has nothing to do with whether I agree with them or not, or even if they are right or wrong. It has to do with whether a discussion has self-destructed or not.
I simply claim that the topics on my “no fly zone” list have become so encumbered with baggage and emotion that further pursuit of these topics is fruitless.
That is my opinion. I think quite a few others here understand what I am saying and agree. The more emotional one is on the topic, the more they will tend to disagree with my assessment. I think the real truth seekers largely “get it”.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Sorry Carlyle but your comments just don’t pass the smell test. You speak out of both sides of your mouth almost as often as Obama.
Either you want Citizens to form Grand Juries or you don’t.
It appears that you don’t want Citizens to form Grand Juries and I find that very suspicious for a person who claims to be a Patriot.
Sherman & Black Panther case: ‘Attacks on Eric Holder’ blacked out of media (Poll video transcript)
July 14, 3:36 PMDallas Political Buzz ExaminerDevonia Smith
“Sherman claimed that of the publications he reads,Los Angeles Times, the Los Angeles Daily News, the Economist, Newsweek, Congressional Quarterly and National Journal, there was only one mention of the Black Panther case.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-35532-Dallas-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d14-Sherman–Black-Panther-case-Attacks-on-Eric-Holder-blacked-out-of-media–Poll-video-transcript
Public Poll
“In your opinion, has mainstream media blacked out the Black Panther Case?”
http://www.examiner.com/x-35532-Dallas-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m7d14-Sherman–Black-Panther-case-Attacks-on-Eric-Holder-blacked-out-of-media–Poll-video-transcript
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Applause!
Hope everyone who reads the obit, fulfills her dying wish.
Citizen Carlyle – 5:00 PM
Yes, we DO “get it.” Thanks for the reemphasis!
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
That is my opinion. I think quite a few others here understand what I am saying and agree. The more emotional one is on the topic, the more they will tend to disagree with my assessment. I think the real truth seekers largely “get it”.
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Are you serious Carlyle?
Aren’t you being just a little ego-maniacal in thinking that someone has to agree with you to be a “real truth seeker”? I don’t agree with you Carlyle.
The more you comment the more you sound like Obama. I don’t agree with him either.
“Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”
— John Dickinson in a line from “The Liberty Song” published in the Boston Gazette in July 1768
“Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.”
— Patrick Henry in his last public speech given in March 1799
“We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages.”
— Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention June 28, 1787 as recorded by James Madison, The Papers of James Madison
This video is so scary. I hope it isn’t true, but it makes sense. Our poor children and their grandchildren.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/13/menacing-turn-in-black-panther-case/
Washington Times editorial
“That’s why the timing is propitious today for the House Judiciary Committee to consider, and approve, a resolution of inquiry introduced by Rep. Frank Wolf, Virginia Republican. The Wolf resolution would direct Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to “transmit to the House of Representatives, not later than 14 days after the date of adoption of this resolution, copies of any document, memo or correspondence of the Department of Justice with regard to United States v. New Black Panther Party.” ”
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Anyone have any info about this resolution?
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Sorry Carlyle but your comments just don’t pass the smell test. You speak out of both sides of your mouth almost as often as Obama.
Either you want Citizens to form Grand Juries or you don’t.
It appears that you don’t want Citizens to form Grand Juries and I find that very suspicious for a person who claims to be a Patriot.
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I also find something VERY suspicious! You appear here (not a familiar poster) and all of a sudden you have made a decision about Free Speech, Citizen Carlyle, jbjd, and myself. Either you are well-versed in the CGJ subject or you make snap decisions not grounded on much fact.
A few of us have been on planet earth long enough to recognize something that appears – I say, appears – rather phony. I won’t ask what I’d like to ask – It might be incriminating.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/13/menacing-turn-in-black-panther-case/
Washington Times editorial
“The Justice Department told the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights to drop dead yesterday.”
“The Commission on Civil Rights, acting according to explicit statutory authority to subpoena executive departments, demanded that Justice answer 49 detailed questions, with accompanying document requests. In yesterday’s response, the department wrote that on the basis of seven distinct claimed “privileges,” it objects “to each and every Interrogatory and Document Request.” “
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Amen.
Eleanor Clift: Obama’s Poll Numbers Down Because He Hasn’t Blamed Bush Enough
After the release of a number of polls Tuesday showing President Obama’s favorability rating plummeting, his minions in the media were out in force trying to blame the slide on something or someone else.
Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift, ever the dutiful shill always at a Democrat’s service when the chips are down, took a predictably absurd tack: Obama hasn’t blamed George W. Bush enough for all that ails the nation.
http://tinyurl.com/2vt8ox4
!?!!
The Washington Times has been doing some outstanding reporting as of late.
PJM EXCLUSIVE: Congressman Asks Inspector General to Launch Investigation of New Black Panther Case
“July 13, 2010 – by Roger L Simon
A letter from Congressman Frank Wolf (R-VA) to Glenn Fine — inspector general of the U. S. Department of Justice — asking the IG to launch an investigation into the dismissal of U.S. v. New Black Panther Party — has been made available exclusively to Pajamas Media before its formal release by the congressman.”
Not even President Nixon at the nadir of Watergate asserted such a broad privilege against outside review. Sustaining such a privilege would let an executive agency assert that anything it self-defines as its “mission” would be immune from scrutiny. That way lies tyranny.
Above quote is from the Wash Times Article.
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Do they really believe this stuff?
Cabby – AZ // July 14, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I have read what Free Speech and Sam Sewell have provided about Grand Juries and it makes a lot of sense.
You and Carlyle haven’t provided any valuable information on Grand Juries and jdjb’s comments don’t make any sense.
I guess when you don’t have a reasonable rational response to information Cabby all you can do is make petty insults.
You and Carlyle have offered no substantive information on grand juries and jdjb’s information doesn’t make any sense.
Sam Sewell’s and Free Speech’s information is well written and well researched and it makes a lot of sense. It is as simple as that.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm
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If you will give me a more specific example of double speak, I will attempt to clarify. In the meantime, I will answer what you wrote.
1. I am a fan of Grand Juries. I believe that Grand Juries are an important buffer between the government and the people.
2. I believe that Grand Juries used to be more autonomous. I believe that “the powers that be” have worked specifically over the last 100 years or so to limit the power of Grand Juries and have forced them for at least the last 60 years to operate under the direct supervision of the legal system.
3. I believe (agreeing with FS, I think) that this strays away from the constitution and needs to be fixed. My research indicates that a great number of scholars and writers also agree with this. Sometime in the future, I am optimistic that the power of Grand Juries will be expanded and that a good measure of the suppressed autonomy will be returned to them.
4. However, a specific type of Grand Jury – the self-appointed Grand Jury is dead. But this is the specific kind of Grand Jury that FS has been most insistent on. His repeatedly published and republished instructions are for forming just this kind of Grand Jury.
5. My point – if you will quit inhaling the dust kicked up by others – is quite clear. This type of CGJ is dead and a hopeless pursuit. So I am against wasting time or diverting resources for this.
6. But that is not why I am recommending avoiding this topic. NOW PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY: It seems a worthless topic because FS wil NOT answer rational questions about it. I am willing to be educated and will admit I am wrong, if actual evidence is presented. The first and most important piece of evidence is this: “Name even one case of such a grand jury doing anything important in the last 60 years”. My extended research has not found such a case. Further FS refuses to answer. So until we can get over this hurdle, I don’t want to hear any more exhortations to go do the “impossible”, and “never been done”.
I fail to see how any of that is double speak or unclear.
You have a right to agree or disagree and to form your own opinion (although I would do as Cabby suggests and thoroughly familiarize yourself with the discussion over the last couple of months). However, I don’t see any need to accuse me of rhetorical techniques, two-facedness, or of being an OBOT.
I will be glad to answer any question and clarify anything you think is vague.
!?!! at 5:36 pm
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Do they really believe this stuff?
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They believe they are above the law. Even when the courts rule against the administration, Obama looks for ways to circumvent the rulings.
Citizen Carlyle – 6:04 PM
I think there is some game-playing going on.
Sam is not here today, so we have a substitute?
Just wondering.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Please spare me. I can read.
The good information that Sam Sewell and Free Speech have provided is very clear.
Your comments are about as clear as mud.
Either you are extremely befuddled or you are intentionally being duplicitous.
Regardless of your motives I don’t trust your judgement.
An online newspaper based in Tanzania is reporting that “Barack Abdallah Husein Obama,” the “first black US president,” was born outside of the United States.
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm
!?!! at 5:36 pm
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Do they really believe this stuff?
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They believe they are above the law. Even when the courts rule against the administration, Obama looks for ways to circumvent the rulings.
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Or you might say they are simply lawless outlaws.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 5:11 pm
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ADD’L INFO
Perhaps you are missing a fundamental cornerstone in your foundation. Let me make two suggestions that I hope you take in the constructive spirit intended.
1. Here is a perspective written on the issue by Leo Donofrio. I find his writing clear and concise and perhaps you too will find it helpful.
http://americangrandjury.org/history_power.html
He shows quite clearly that the modern (since 1946!) Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure do not allow for ‘presentments’ and in the notes refers to them as obsolete. The upshot is that the Federal Courts have no rules or guidelines or procedures in-place to process them.
Donofrio goes on, however, to further demonstrate the these current rules do not account for important specific parts of the constitution – therefore they are ‘unconstitutional’. He therefore concludes that there is a constitutional right for these types of grand juries, and we ought to proceed to do them.
I cannot disagree with this in theory. I think he is right. HOWEVER, as a matter of practicality I think any such presentment would be round filed. Of course you could get an expensive attorney and fight it – on through multiple appeals – on to the supreme court – and you might win (if the USSC agrees to hear your case – unlikely). But that is a whole other can of worms isn’t it? Donofrio leaves you believing this is a practical solution for you. I disagree.
2. Free Speech and Aristotle The Hun can point you to other essays on this same topic they have written. I don’t want to put words in their mouths and I’m sure they will jump on me if I misstate something. But my sense is that they broadly agree with the history and analysis as done by Donofrio. They come to the same conclusion that because it is your constitutional right, you ought to be able to do it.
My disagreement is the same: Theory, yes. Practical, no.
IF you read all this and still conclude that you are getting good advice from these several advocates, then that is your choice.
But I still hold out a minimum requirement of identifying even one case of anything coming to fruition by following the detailed FS outline.
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Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 11:04 am
I think grand jury indictments are the way to go to get rid of Obama.
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RAP is in the process of training juries all over the country…..get involved at your county level….many people needed to bring down the corrupt and evil US Corporation! 100’s of indictments will be handed down in the near future….help save your country!!!
go to http://www.restoreamericaplan.net/
The Restore America Plan
RAP.net News
To all Freedom-Loving Americans:
We will be holding RESTORE AMERICA INFORMATION CALLS each week, indefinitely. (Starting tonight!)
These calls are for all the jurors and supporters of Restore America Plan to invite their friends, relatives – everyone to phone in to these calls and be introduced to and learn about the Restore America Plan and to sign up on the website.
These calls will be:
Each TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY & FRIDAY evenings
There will be two calls each evening.
These calls will be kept short – 20 minutes long (30 min. at the max.)
Times: 7:00 AND 9:00 pm Central Time
Phone No: 712-432-0075 pin: 793323
We all recognize the need to get the word out to the masses.
We are excited about what is happening and want everyone else to know….This will be an effective way to do that.
These “RESTORE AMERICA INFORMATION CALLS” are not a part of the grand juries. They are NOT a part of the grand jury training (which is held on Mondays and Thursdays); these are for the spreading and the enlargement of the Restore America Plan.
Don’t come to these calls expecting to hear any juicy updates because there will be none; we are here ONLY to introduce all Americans to the brilliant plan (which IS WORKING) to restore our great land.
We welcome jurors to listen in, but after you have heard it a couple times, we want you to be spending your time and energy INVITING others to dial in.
One great thing about our calls is that we are NOT asking for money (like so many other various conference calls done every night!). What we have to offer is FREEDOM for our fellow man, a NORMAL FUTURE for our CHILDREN and GENERATIONS to come. We are not here to “take” but to “give” by teaching people the TRUTH of how we have been robbed and lied to and what we should expect of our government!
We are people who are absolutely finished with the status quo, we’ve had enough and we are not taking any more!
Sound familiar??? Don’t cheat your friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, etc… Help them out of the snares
(The calls are set up so that the first call is conveniently timed for those in the Central and East Coast times, 7 CDT and 8 EDT. And the second call is conveniently timed for those in the Pacific and Mountain times, 7 PDT and 8 MDT).
Thanks! for YOUR Support!
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 6:38 pm
There you go again posting disinformation, trying to confuse Fed courts with State Courts.
Presentments are still allowed in State Courts which is where Sam and I advocate presenting Criminal Information to the Grand Jury.
Neither Sam nor I have advocated presenting crim info to a Fed Court.
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 6:51 pm
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State courts don’t care about federal presidents. Give me one example of anything of national significance that has been accomplished USING THE PROCEDURE YOU HAVE BEEN ADVERTISING.
In the meantime you are just confusing innocent impressionable people.
Just checking in. Globe has a new piece that adds to the drip, drip, drip
http://www.globemagazine.com/story/525
Truth About Obama Gay Murder!
President Barack Obama is tangled in the mystery surrounding the murder of the gay choir director of his controversial Chicago church – and the slain man’s mother is demanding answers NOW! This week’s GLOBE blows the lid off the shocking scandal America can’t afford to ignore.
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Back tomorrow. Zach
Black Panther Party President, Dr. Malik Shabazz: “We’ll Eat This Tea Party For Breakfast”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh_G8NgLXDs&feature=player_embedded
(video) Republicans at War with Republicans over Afghanistan War: Ron Paul, Lou Dobbs and Sharron Angle on Freedom Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIeYc3wV8o&feature=player_embedded#!
But today is my last day on this topic. Unless and until somebody knowledgeable quits hiding behind secrecy and rhetoric – and answers our questions – I am finished with this topic. I refuse to blindly follow a leader, and I also refuse to stumble around in the dark.
And, no, the onus is NOT on me to find my own light – you are the light bearer – i.e. the one advocating this – so the onus is on YOU to shine the light we request. If you do not shine sufficient light on the path you wish us to walk, then it seems more than reasonable that we question that path.
Notice Carlyle falsely refers to the AGJ as a source for reliable info on grand juries. All of the AGJ on-line grand juries were bogus.
Sam Sewell explains why all the AGJ gj’s failed miserably.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm
!?!! at 5:36 pm
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Do they really believe this stuff?
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They believe they are above the law. Even when the courts rule against the administration, Obama looks for ways to circumvent the rulings.
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Since O’Fraud got away–to date–with his usurpation of the presidency, he imagines he can get away with ANY THING! So far that is exactly what he is doing!
Obama does believe he is above the law. He believes his position as US President makes him infallible much like the POPE claims infallibilty on any ruling regards to spiritual/religious matters. The difference between Obama’s infallibility and the POPE’s is Obama and his corrupt can of worms imagine they are infallible on any and all issues. They are willing to break any American law to prove it.
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Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm
That is my opinion. I think quite a few others here understand what I am saying and agree. The more emotional one is on the topic, the more they will tend to disagree with my assessment. I think the real truth seekers largely “get it”.
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Are you serious Carlyle?
Aren’t you being just a little ego-maniacal in thinking that someone has to agree with you to be a “real truth seeker”? I don’t agree with you Carlyle.
The more you comment the more you sound like Obama. I don’t agree with him either.
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Took a Newbie to lay out what is really going on here…..way to go Plains Girl….BTW…..where are you from…..you sound like my kind of Patriot….I am from the Plains too! 🙂
Look who the NAACP has as speaker…talk about racism…!
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 7:06 pm
But today is my last day on this topic. Unless and until somebody knowledgeable quits hiding behind secrecy and rhetoric – and answers our questions – I am finished with this topic. I refuse to blindly follow a leader, and I also refuse to stumble around in the dark.
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What other logical conclusion can a serious person come to? Responses never seem to match questions, and, furthermore, to have any kind of true debate there must be a matching of intellects on some level.
BTW, Plains Girl seems to be pretty much a one-issue poster.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 6:51 pm
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State courts don’t care about federal presidents.
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You don’t expect people to take you seriously Carlyle when you make ludicrous statements like that do you?
And why would you want to file any action against Obama in Federal court where he appoints the judges and controls the Deparment of justice.
Filing criminal actions against Obama in State courts where the judges and DAs are elected by the people makes sense. Your Fed proposal like the rest of your comments makes no sense.
It was deceptive of you to say the least to promise credible “academic” info and then link to the discredited and disrespected AGJ site.
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Please spare me. I can read.
The good information that Sam Sewell and Free Speech have provided is very clear.
Your comments are about as clear as mud.
Either you are extremely befuddled or you are intentionally being duplicitous.
Regardless of your motives I don’t trust your judgement.
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Well Stated!
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 7:06 pm
But today is my last day on this topic
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That is the first reasonable comment by you all day Carlyle. Good job.
CC
“And – best of all – if anybody can show even one example of a self-initiated (not court appointed and pre-approved) Grand Jury doing anything broadly significant in the last 60 years. I will eat my dose of crow pie.”
That is the problem in a nut shell. But just because they haven’t in the last 50 years should not discourage us from doing something for the next 50 years.
An once again, forget the Federal Courts. Start with a Justice of the peace ina town of 1000 people if you must but start.
By the way, the best place to start is Texas because of Texas law concerning CGJ and the fact that so much dirty politics happened in Texas in 2008.
“The grand jury shall inquire into all offenses liable to indictment of which any member may have knowledge, or of which they shall be informed by the attorney representing the State, or any other credible person.”
Notice that “any other credible person”.
In Texas the Grand Jury is required by law to “inquire into all offenses” called to its attention.
Citizen Petition In Support Of Reasonable Immigration Enforcement: “We Stand With Arizona!”
http://www.grassfire.com/132/petition.asp?PID=25863405&NID=1
You decide
Should the American Flag be Banned — in America?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 6:51 pm
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State courts don’t care about federal presidents.
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You don’t expect people to take you seriously Carlyle when you make ludicrous statements like that do you?
And why would you want to file any action against Obama in Federal court where he appoints the judges and controls the Deparment of justice.
Filing criminal actions against Obama in State courts where the judges and DAs are elected by the people makes sense. Your Fed proposal like the rest of your comments makes no sense.
It was deceptive of you to say the least to promise credible “academic” info and then link to the discredited and disrespected AGJ site.
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Sam who is a member of Mensa has thoroughly investigated AGJ and discovered that their approach was all wrong. See my post above.
There is a wealth of good info on Sam’s site The Steady Drip about the Grand Jury system.
PJTV EXCLUSIVE: Panthergate, Congressman Calls For Investigation of New Black Panther Case|7min
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3880
Justice Department Continues to Act in Non-Race-Neutral Fashion
Yet more proof that the DOJ doesn’t want whites and Asians, when they are the discriminated-against minority, to be protected under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/justice-department-continues-to-act-in-non-race-neutral-fashion/
The Post & Email:
Supreme Court: Why are you not traitors to the Constitution? »
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRISIS AND CAN BE REMOVED AND TRIED FOR TREASON
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 7:31 pm
CC
“And – best of all – if anybody can show even one example of a self-initiated (not court appointed and pre-approved) Grand Jury doing anything broadly significant in the last 60 years. I will eat my dose of crow pie.”
That is the problem in a nut shell. But just because they haven’t in the last 50 years should not discourage us from doing something for the next 50 years.
An once again, forget the Federal Courts. Start with a Justice of the peace ina town of 1000 people if you must but start.
By the way, the best place to start is Texas because of Texas law concerning CGJ and the fact that so much dirty politics happened in Texas in 2008.
“The grand jury shall inquire into all offenses liable to indictment of which any member may have knowledge, or of which they shall be informed by the attorney representing the State, or any other credible person.”
Notice that “any other credible person”.
In Texas the Grand Jury is required by law to “inquire into all offenses” called to its attention.
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Sam,
Presentments of Criminal information to Grand Juries are not uncommon in Tennessee.
CC is merely playing semantic games when he applies terms like self-initiated etc.
The fact is that many politicians have been indicted in Tennessee, but obviously the people supplying criminal info about judges, DAs, governors, congressmen etc don’t reveal themselves unless they are subpoenaed to trial.
Remember Deep Throat. He supplied the criminal info that brought down President Nixon and no the public didn’t know his identity until for 30 years.
There’s plenty of proof for Grand Jury Indictments of BHO & his co-conspirators in County Courts all across America.
There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Judge Thomas W. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
Voters Embarrassed by Our Politicians:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2010/voters_are_much_more_embarrassed_by_political_class_than_by_arizona
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Eleanor Clift: Obama’s Poll Numbers Down Because He Hasn’t Blamed Bush Enough
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Maybe she hasn’t gotten the email memo with the new excuse, I mean, tactic: o. has been too soft on the repubs.
LM // July 14, 2010 at 8:24 am
Why Did Gibbs Say GOP Could Retake House?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/14/did-gibbs-say-gop-retake-house/
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He drank some of the Koolaid reserved for (D) voters.
usapatriots-shout // July 14, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Philo-Publius // July 14, 2010 at 6:11 pm
re: o.’s lawlessness
True.
Seems like the “blame Bush” tactic is supposed to rally the fragmented dem party in time for the elections. Focus everyone on the common “enemy.”
Their refusal to deal with the reality that the voters are uniting against government corruption and usurption of our rights works against THEM.
The more ridiculous their excuses, the more support they lose.
FS
“There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Judge Thomas W. Brothers for drug money laundering. ”
True of course, but these cases represent private citizens providing information of criminal conduct to court convened grand juries.
I couldn’t find any cases in recent times of Citizen Grand Juries issuing indictments that were acted upon by the courts.
We need to correct that trend, but I couldn’t find no examples. Could you?
Bill Cutting // July 14, 2010 at 8:30 pm
LM // July 14, 2010 at 8:24 am
Why Did Gibbs Say GOP Could Retake House?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/14/did-gibbs-say-gop-retake-house/
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He drank some of the Koolaid reserved for (D) voters.
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My guess would be that he wanted to give the gop false hope that they could win in Nov to facilitate the vote fraud & intimidation that will ensure a dem win and make gop less inclined to do what is necessary( i.e., indict dems) to win.
usapatriots-shout
Thanks for sharing your personal story, brave soul.
The battle for the safety of our children has reached critical proportions.
Abusers in influential places, hidden behind society’s masks, work diligently to remove the protections from our children, to make them easier prey.
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 6:36 pm
“Lawless outlaws” — nice summation.
Found this on my Facebook page, don,t know if it has already been posted.
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Today the First Lady, Dr. Jill Biden, and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will announce new preventative health care benefits made available under the Affordable Care Act.
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm
FS
“There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Judge Thomas W. Brothers for drug money laundering. ”
True of course, but these cases represent private citizens providing information of criminal conduct to court convened grand juries.
I couldn’t find any cases in recent times of Citizen Grand Juries issuing indictments that were acted upon by the courts.
We need to correct that trend, but I couldn’t find no examples. Could you?
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I haven’t researched it because it would be like searching for a needle in a haystack with blindfolds on, i.e., my experience as a lawyer tells me that if a Grand Jury did convene without approval of the judiciary and then the judiciary accepted the case they would want to keep the details about how the Grand Jury convened secret so as not to encourage a flood of Grand Jury indictments outside their authority.
As I have stated before, I don’t care if bo & his co-conspirators are indicted by a Fed GJ, a State GJ, a Citizens GJ whatever as long as they are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
To my mind, Citizen Grand Jury indictments are a way of putting teeth into the demands of the people for good honest government, i.e., it signals to the politicians that if they betray the public trust they will be indicted and being under indictment even by an unapproved Grand Jury would not enhance a politicians career.
You know how things work at the County courthouse, Sam.
Ed tells Bill then Bill tells his friend Jack the DA and then somebody gets indicted if it is necessary prudent politically.
I do know that 3 judges in Nashville have been indicted in recent years so that lends credence to the notion that no one, not the Potus, not judges, nobody is above the law.
We the People have enormous power with the 4th Branch of Government, the Citizens Grand Jury and it is about time that we used that Power before we lose it.
!?!! // July 14, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 6:36 pm
“Lawless outlaws” — nice summation.
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Thanks. That was a very mild version of what I think of bo & his thugs.
Cabby – AZ
“to have any kind of true debate there must be a matching of intellects on some level.”
Ahhhh. Now I get why o. only answers “canned” questions and avoids informed, interactive dialogue on every topic.
I think of o. as an anti-Christ wannabe.
anti as in “in place of”
I got nothin’ lower than that . . .
!?!! // July 14, 2010 at 9:09 pm
I think of o. as an anti-Christ wannabe.
anti as in “in place of”
I got nothin’ lower than that . . .
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That’s Funny!
bob strauss // July 14, 2010 at 8:57 pm
All the better to look more foolish than ever when the entire “act” is repealed or thrown out by the courts.
Won’t work at all to mitigate the devastation “death fare” is having on the campaigning dems. They really don’t need MO’s help, though; they can handle the questions. They’ve got that show rage, slam the fist down thing going on. Sure to convey just the right vote-winning image.
Hey, Dems! Surprise!! The over 80% of voters against the death fare monstrosity are REAL voters, with working brains, who can’t be kool-aided away.
Re: ARMY D.A.V. // July 14, 2010 at 7:53 pm
The Post & Email:
Supreme Court: Why are you not traitors to the Constitution?
YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRISIS AND CAN BE REMOVED AND TRIED FOR TREASON
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Thank you for posting this! Here is the link for anyone interested in it:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/14/supreme-court-why-are-you-not-traitors-to-the-constitution/
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm
It is . . .
and, then, again,
it isn’t . . .
Evil is banal, but nonetheless devastating when allowed to reign unchecked.
I’m praying for checkmate. Soon!
Taitz v. MacDonald – Docketed with SCOTUS
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/10a56.htm
!?!! // July 14, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm
It is . . .
and, then, again,
it isn’t . . .
Evil is banal, but nonetheless devastating when allowed to reign unchecked.
I’m praying for checkmate. Soon!
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So am I.
When We Were Negroes
This may be one of the best and most important essays you’ll ever read. Read it and weep. Weep for the people that got bamboozled. And you WILL weep.
http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=9128
From our friend, the Rev. Dr. JDM
For emergency stay of the sanctions against Taitz:
http://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1JB4KcdFB1QmxQ5eh2P8SDbTTwm-uRn_Q18uJAfQNhCA
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm
As you know many Grand Juries have been convened without prior approval by the judiciary.
My challenge to the naysayers is to produce one SCOTUS RULING that prohibits the formative of a Grand Jury by the people without prior approval by any court.
Well, carlyle & cabby, put up or shut up!
Reprinted By Permission From The Post & Email, Inc.
“Update: Tanzanian Newspaper Reports That Obama Has “Origins From East Africa”
“THE CITIZEN”: OBAMA HAS “ROOTS OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY”
By Sharon Rondeau
The Post & Email, Inc.
July 13, 2010
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/13/tanzanian-newspaper-reports-that-obama-has-origins-from-east-africa/
“Zanzibar comprises the two former countries of Zanzibar and Tanganyika”
“(Jul. 13, 2010) — An online newspaper based in Tanzania is reporting that
“Barack Abdallah Husein Obama,” the “first black US president,” was born outside of the United States.
Written in broken English, the article notes that the President of the United States has historically been required to be born on U.S. soil but that “This might have been the result of racism or belief that a person other than ‘original’ US citizen was capable of effectively leading the powerful nation and help it to maintain its values.”
The writers go on to say that “We witnessed last year a senator with his origins from east Africa, Barack Abdallah Husein Obama, becoming the first black US president. He won the race on Democrat ticket and was sworn on January 20, 2009 as US president.”
Read More Here:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/07/13/tanzanian-newspaper-reports-that-obama-has-origins-from-east-africa/
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Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 7:20 pm
It was deceptive of you to say the least to promise credible “academic” info and then link to the discredited and disrespected AGJ site.
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See – you just want to fight. That info is still coming. Standby.
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Hope the next poll reads:
Voters Want Our Politicians Indicted
and/or
Voters Want Our Politicians to Resign
“Embarrassed” doesn’t begin to reflect the Tea Party ambiance, anyway.
J. Smith // July 14, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Aren’t you being just a little ego-maniacal in thinking that someone has to agree with you to be a “real truth seeker”?
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Again, you miss the boat, and prove my point. Like everybody else, I have opinions and you are welcome to agree or disagree. I never said anything different.
I said that “real truth seekers” are rational, engage in intelligent mutually supportive conversations, and have a healthy give and take. I stand by that sentiment, and yes I demand people agree with that.
Come on, carlyle, stop trying to evade the challenge. Show us a case that overruled, Justice Scalia’s 1992 ruling in US v. Williams:
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Plains Girl // July 14, 2010 at 7:20 pm
It was deceptive of you to say the least to promise credible “academic” info and then link to the discredited and disrespected AGJ site.
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See – you just want to fight. That info is still coming. Standby.
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Come on, carlyle, stop trying to evade the challenge. Show us a case that overruled, Justice Scalia’s 1992 ruling in US v. Williams:
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 7:31 pm
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Thank you sir. You are trying to be a voice of reason.
I am all for using WHATEVER LAWS ALREADY EXIST and WHATEVER PROCEDURES ALREADY EXIST to get this done.
My major gripe is anyone proposing a ‘solution’ that is DOA. I have tried to get FS to engage in a structured rational dialog to determine if what he is proposing is practical or not. He doesn’t seem to want to do that. He just wants to call people names and rant instead. SIGH.
Come on, Carlyle, you said that Citizen Grand Juries “won’t work.” Justice Scalia says they will, so us your case wherein Scalia was overruled, Carlyle. We’re waiting.
Come on, carlyle, stop trying to evade the challenge. Show us a case that overruled, Justice Scalia’s 1992 ruling in US v. Williams:
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 7:40 pm
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Perhaps the official AGJ approach is wrong. I certainly think it is. And didn’t SS (aka ATH) write a good expose on that?
But that does not mean Donofrio’s essay is wrong. It is posted many places – I just happened to pick that one because it came up quickly on the search engine.
If you have not read his work, you should.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 9:49 pm
So Carlyle so us where Justice Scalia has been overruled and you ill-informed opinion has been upheld by SCOTUS.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
ARMY D.A.V. // July 14, 2010 at 7:53 pm
The Post & Email:
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HA! I haven’t even read this and I agree already!!
It would seem to me that any case pertaining to Obama’s eligibility, brought by anybody, or any grand jury, is ultimately going to end up in the SCOTUS.
I thought SCOTUS has original jurisdiction to hear any case involving ambassadors and public office holders.
Going the grand jury route, to have a case heard, seems to be the long way around the court system to arrive at SCOTUS.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 9:52 pm
I’ve read Leo D.’s essay, so what?
Where is your ruling overruling Justice Scalia’s ruling?
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 8:09 pm
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Self-initiated Grand Jury was a phrase I picked to add clarity. You kept trying to confuse what I was saying, so I was trying to fix that. Seeing that has failed, why don’t you pick a name.
I was specifically trying to refer to the recipe you have posted many times here on how to set up a Grand Jury. Please give that recipe a name. Then we can all use that.
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 8:37 pm
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Again, thank you – for simply answering the question rather than “acting out”.
I have only an abstract from a couple, so I have not posted the cites yet. I’m getting from the library. But in the meantime, the most pro-presentment articles I have found, lament the demise of this sort of Citizen independence and go on to recommend several ways to fix it in the future. None is so bold as to suggest “oh, just go ahead and do it anyway – it is your constitutional right”.
But rather than relying on my possibly flawed interpretation, I will post the cites and you all can read for yourselves.
!?!! // July 14, 2010 at 5:28 pm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/13/menacing-turn-in-black-panther-case/
Washington Times editorial
“That’s why the timing is propitious today for the House Judiciary Committee to consider, and approve, a resolution of inquiry introduced by Rep. Frank Wolf, Virginia Republican. The Wolf resolution would direct Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to “transmit to the House of Representatives, not later than 14 days after the date of adoption of this resolution, copies of any document, memo or correspondence of the Department of Justice with regard to United States v. New Black Panther Party.” ”
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Now I want popcorn with that!!!!
BRING IT MR WOLF…BE OUR HERO AND MAKE THE LSM COVER IT!!
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:41 pm
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Nope – It’s YOUR theory and YOUR pet project. The onus is on YOU to put up. Period.
bob strauss // July 14, 2010 at 9:55 pm
To get a case before SCOTUS first you have to have a case. Grand Jury indictment is the fastest way to get a case before SCOTUS.
What is the alternative?
Nobody has a viable civil case before SCOTUS. I urged all the eligibility lawyers to motion SCOTUS for original jurisdiction over a year and a half ago. I wrote a motion for one lawyer but it was never filed.
Re: !?!! // July 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm
PJM EXCLUSIVE: Congressman Asks Inspector General to Launch Investigation of New Black Panther Case
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When are these Congressmen & Congress women going to ask inspector generals and special prosecutors to launch a multitude of investigations into the Daily Serial Crimes of the Serial Criminal Con-Men, such as Eric “I Love To Commit & To Cover-up High Crimes, Sedition, & Treasons In The USA” Holder, Barack “The Daily Constant Deliberate Liar Clearly Insane Psychopath & Sociopath Clearly Insane Terrorist Madman Con-man Serial Criminal Obama,” Rahm “Dead Fish” Emanuel, and George “I’ll Destroy & Overthrow The USA Government & The USA Sovereignty
& Economy & Capitalism With My Co-Worker Barack Obama As We Are Foreign Born Domestic Enemy Terrorists & We Hate You American’s & We Have To & Will Work 365/24/7 To Destroy & Overthrow The USA Government In our Coup D ‘Etat War Barack & I Declared On The USA & Started On the USA, So We, Barack Obama & I Can Transform & Change America The USA & The World So Barack & I Create A One World Government & Rule Over A OneWorld Government New World Order Communist/Marxist Totalitarian Dictatorship Over The Entire World” Soros, and investigate others?
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 10:09 pm
In other words you are wrong and you know it and you can’t produce a ruling that overrules Justice Scalia’s 1992 ruling in US v. Williams that we the people have the right to form Grand Juries without interference by any judge or prosecutor.
JJ // July 14, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I got buttered or unbuttered . .
Even better if they added, “or else we demand the resignation of Holder for obstruction of justice.”
Put some TEETH into these word plays.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 10:04 pm
So you think that some article you copy from the library overrules Supreme Court Justice Scalia?
You can’t be serious.
I think CGJ is the best tool we have right now. But, I wouldn’t start with the President. There is plenty of local corruption that we can cut our teeth on and we should start now.
Work our way up to Sect. of State and election fraud and violations of election law. Then maybe the Pretender to the Presidency after we re-establish the credability of CGJ.
Besides I think CGJ need to be established in every community and continue to operate long after AKA Obama is gone.
Starla // July 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Yeah! WHEN???!!!!
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 10:25 pm
I think CGJ is the best tool we have right now. But, I wouldn’t start with the President. There is plenty of local corruption that we can cut our teeth on and we should start now.
Work our way up to Sect. of State and election fraud and violations of election law. Then maybe the Pretender to the Presidency after we re-establish the credability of CGJ.
Besides I think CGJ need to be established in every community and continue to operate long after AKA Obama is gone.
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I agree. bo is just the tip of the iceberg of corruption. We have a whole lot of housecleaning to do from the county courthouse to DC.
Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 9:41 pm
My challenge to the naysayers is to produce one SCOTUS RULING that prohibits the formative of a Grand Jury by the people without prior approval by any court.
Well, carlyle & cabby, put up or shut up!
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I’m Cabby and will not put up or shut up. What I will do is “pipe up” – about this type of
talk to fellow patriots. This shows you don’t have a civil attitude, and it is unbecoming to
the person we thought you were. Your manners are showing.
BTW, where is Plains Girl? Shhhhh…………
Re: !?!! // July 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm
PJM EXCLUSIVE: Congressman Asks Inspector General to Launch Investigation of New Black Panther Case
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When are these so-called “Congressmen” & “Congresswomen” going to ask inspector generals and special prosecutors to launch a multitude of investigations into the Daily Serial Crimes of the Serial Criminal Con-Men, such as:
Eric “I Love To Commit & To Cover-up High Crimes, Sedition, & Treasons In The USA” Holder,
Barack “The Daily Constant Deliberate Liar, Clearly Insane Psychopath & Sociopath, Clearly Insane Terrorist Madman Con-man, Serial Criminal Obama,”
Rahm “Dead Fish” Emanuel,
and
George “I’ll Destroy & Overthrow The USA Government & The USA Sovereignty
& The USA Economy & USA Capitalism With My Co-Worker Barack Obama As We Are Foreign Born Domestic Enemy Terrorists, & We Hate You American’s & We Hate You The Free Constitutional Republic America & The USA!! We Have To & Will Work 365/24/7 To Destroy & Overthrow The USA Government In our Coup D ‘Etat War Barack & I Declared & Started On The USA, Just So We, Barack Obama & I Can Fundamentally Transform & Change The USA & The World. Yes, So I Can With Barack “Yes We Can!!!!” Obama, Can Create & Rule Over Entire World & ALL Nations & Over ALL Leaders In A One World Government / New World Order Communist/Marxist Totalitarian Dictatorship Over The Entire World. There Will Not Be Any Separate Nations, Any More. There Will Not Be Any National Sovereignties Any More. Only A One World Government /New World Order, That We Rule & Have ALL Power Over ALL People On Earth & Everything On Earth! “Yes, We Can!! Create This. I, George, & Barack Obama Will Create This To Happen “Yes We Can!” HaHa, The Paid Idiot I am Using To Start This & To Accomplish & To Finally Achieve My Visions & My Goals & My Dreams For A One World Government/New World Order That Only I Control, This, Barack Obama In The USA, I Will Throw Him Under The Bus When I Don’t Need To Use This Stupid Psychopath Any More” Psychopath Serial Criminal Soros, and investigate others who are Serial Criminals also?
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 9:54 pm
ARMY D.A.V. // July 14, 2010 at 7:53 pm
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HA! I haven’t even read this and I agree already
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IF we ever get out of this national constitutional dilemna, don’t you think there will be some real game-changing legislation happening in many states??
JJ // July 14, 2010 at 10:55 pm
I’d like to see game-changing legislation by the states right now.
!?!! // July 14, 2010 at 10:24 pm
JJ // July 14, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I got buttered or unbuttered . .
Even better if they added, “or else we demand the resignation of Holder for obstruction of justice.”
Put some TEETH into these word plays
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I always find a positive side to most anything…at least someone is asking questions and demanding answers.
If this is not investigated and reconciled…….welcome to the Black Socialist Republic Of America….BSRA
What do I say to accusers that I’m racist??
Oh, grow up!!
House Panel Rejects Panther Resolution
Thursday, 14 Jan 2010 08:20 AM Article Font Size
By: Jerry Seper
“The Democrat-controlled House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday rejected by a 15-14 vote a resolution of inquiry that would have forced the Justice Department to tell Congress why it dismissed a civil complaint against members of the New Black Panther Party who disrupted a Philadelphia polling place in the November 2008 election.”
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/House-Panel-Rejects-Panther/2010/01/14/id/346326
Murfreesboro, outside of Nashville is protesting Muslims there.
One sign said –it’s not about religion, it’s about terrorism.
JJ // July 14, 2010 at 11:02 pm
“at least someone is asking questions and demanding answers.”
You’re right. That’s a good thing.
Looks like almost half the committee agreed with him, too. More power to them!
Murfreesboro, outside of Nashville is protesting Muslims there.
One sign said –it’s not about religion, it’s about terrorism
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OOPs….
One sign said –it’s not about religion, it’s about homegrown terrorism.
Wonder if the dems realize that black voters were intimidated?
Holder is supporting the intimidation of black voters at the polling places.
Well, add the dem vote down of black voter rights to the list of items the campaigning dems have to sidestep, I mean, lie about, I mean, defend.
Nice job, House Panel. Let folks know o. and the dem party do equal opportunity denial of citizens’ rights.
You’ve shown us all that o. is using the dem party to do away with the rights of EVERY American.
What?! FBI weblinks promote Ayers, Peltier
Unrepentant terrorist lauded, freedom sought for convicted killer of 2 agents
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=178929
Justice Department withheld evidence from 9/11 panel
Congressman demands new probe over al-Qaida terrorist
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=179093
Sam Sewell – 10:25 PM
I think CGJ is the best tool we have right now. But, I wouldn’t start with the President. There is plenty of local corruption that we can cut our teeth on and we should start now.
Work our way up to Sect. of State and election fraud and violations of election law. Then maybe the Pretender to the Presidency after we re-establish the credability of CGJ.
Besides I think CGJ need to be established in every community and continue to operate long after AKA Obama is gone.
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Thanks for a sensible voice for a change. It is very frustrating to not be able to communicate with a fellow poster who simply repeats the same thing over and over.
!?!! @ 11:25 pm
“You’ve shown us all that o. is using the dem party to do away with the rights of EVERY American.”
This is what us Dems (now Tea Party) have been trying to tell the country since summer of 08, when we caught on to the frauds, criminal behavior etc.
I remember from Civil Rights demonstrations when I was a kid, if you deny rights to one, you deny rights to all. The Civil Rights movement was for all American citizens, women (too young to know we were still chattel in the eyes of the law) minorities, religion etc.
“Thanks for a sensible voice for a change. It is very frustrating to not be able to communicate with a fellow poster who simply repeats the same thing over and over.”
Leo is a lawyer. He is trained to be confrontational and argue to Win.
I am a psychotherapist. I am trained to foster good human relations and resolve conflict.
We are both just displaying our authentic nature. That’s a good thing!
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Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States are required to take two oaths before they may execute the duties of their appointed office.
The Combined Oath
Upon occasion, appointees to the Supreme Court have taken a combined version of the two oaths, which reads:
“I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as _________ under the Constitution and laws of the United States; and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
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I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
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I don’t see anything in the above oath about evading issues ,and I fail to see any humor it.
This should have ended the very day Phil Berg walked into the Supreme Court .
Free Speech – 9:54 PM
You repeat this over and over:
“United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
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Also included in that opinion U.S. v. Williams is the following that you have never included:
“Judges’ direct involvement in the functioning of the grand jury has generally been confined to the constitutive one of calling the grand jurors together and administering their oaths of office. See United States v. Calandra, 414 U. S. 338, 343 (1974); Fed. Rule Crim. Proc. 6(a).”
(snip)
“” It swears in its own witnesses, Fed. Rule Crim. Proc. 6(c), and deliberates in total secrecy, see United States v. Sells Engineering, Inc., 463 U. S. 418, 424-425 (1983). True, the grand jury cannot compel the appearance of witnesses and the production of evidence, and must appeal to the court when such compulsion is required. See, e. g., Brown v. United States, 359 U. S. 41, 49 (1959). And the court will refuse to lend its assistance when the compulsion the grand jury seeks would override rights accorded by the Constitution………”
After reading that you see that the CGJ does NOT operate completely on its own under present day conditions. It cannot “compel the appearance of witnesses or the production of evidence and must appeal to the court when such compulsion is required.” It’s getting tiresome to see you post only part of Scalia’s opinion for about six times in several hours.
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Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 11:58 pm
“Thanks for a sensible voice for a change. It is very frustrating to not be able to communicate with a fellow poster who simply repeats the same thing over and over.”
Leo is a lawyer. He is trained to be confrontational and argue to Win.
I am a psychotherapist. I am trained to foster good human relations and resolve conflict.
We are both just displaying our authentic nature. That’s a good thing!
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Sam, the loser attitude that CGJ’s won’t work is what got us into this crisis. If Patriots had exercised their constitutional right to form Grand Juries as the Founding Fathers intended we could have prevented this crisis.
If the naysayers had any fact or law to support their negativity I would listen, I am a pragmatist but obviously they have nothing that overrules Justice Scalia’s ruling.
Furthermore, this is not just an academic exercise to me. bo c0-conspirators terrorized my family.
Cabby – AZ
Good Luck , friend , I’m still trying to get an answer on his , ” the Constitution is a secular document ” , I just get called some kind of a robot or something .
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 14, 2010 at 9:28 pm
When We Were Negroes
This may be one of the best and most important essays you’ll ever read. Read it and weep. Weep for the people that got bamboozled. And you WILL weep.
http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=9128
From our friend, the Rev. Dr. JDM
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What a powerful message! Yes, I weep tears of remorse that, although many of us were aware generally of what was happening, we didn’t know what was really going on behind the scenes.
The enemy has done its work well, and only someone like Dr. Manning really knows first-hand exactly how well ! May God bless him and his undying courage.
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 12:14 am
You are really showing your false flag colors now. You have nothing that refutes Justice Scalia ruling that Grand Juries can deliberate without any interference from the Court or prosecuting attorney.
Of course, the Grand Jury must have a clerk issue subpoenas, you present another false flag straw man red herring argument, cabby.
Thank for continuing to dig a hole for yourself. It makes it so much easier to prove you wrong.
So Cabby where is your ruling overruling Justice Scalia and don’t try to con us into buy your preposterous claim that Scalia overruled himself in US v. Williams.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Sam Sewell // July 14, 2010 at 10:25 pm
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I agree completely. From my library research, there are a lot of important people who understand the original intent, and that we have strayed. I am optimistic that we can get CGJ universally improved.
1. The constitution says so.
2. Justice Scalia clearly confirms the meaning and importance.
And no, I don’t think that anybody can willy nilly ‘overrule’ the constitution or Scalia. I explained this before and I don’t understand the residual confusion (unless somebody is kicking up dust on purpose).
Regardless of Constitution, regardless of Scalia, if there are not approved rules and procedures, it ain’t gonna get done. So therefore the first step is to get the rules and procedures amended. The other way is to plow ahead and try it and see what happens. I explained that before also. Presumably, if FS is right, you can appeal your defeats all the way to the Supreme Court. But I don’t have the time or money for that. Besides, it is no sure thing, because the Supreme Court can just as easily decide to punt. Nothing says they have to hear you. And the odds are very long.
So yes, better CJGs are a good and noble thing. But not suitable for any immediate crisis (such as the overall purpose of this blog). It is a long-term future thing that Patriots need to work on.
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Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 10:17 pm
bob strauss // July 14, 2010 at 9:55 pm
To get a case before SCOTUS first you have to have a case. Grand Jury indictment is the fastest way to get a case before SCOTUS.
What is the alternative?
Nobody has a viable civil case before SCOTUS. I urged all the eligibility lawyers to motion SCOTUS for original jurisdiction over a year and a half ago. I wrote a motion for one lawyer but it was never filed.
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Free speech, I am afraid we will never get a case through the Obama controlled injustice dept., and courts. I’ve lost all respect for our Obama controlled courts and judges. The fix is in every time a case makes it to court.
The way Mario Apuzzo was treated with the court threatening sanctions, tells me the fix is in. Corrupt judges will never hear the merits of any case against Obama and the corrupt congress will shield him until they are voted out.
If SCOTUS doesn’t take the case on original jurisdiction, Obama’s judges will delay, delay,until the case is moot.
Sorry but I see no alternative, the courts are corrupt or afraid of Obama’s retaliation.
Army D.A.V. 12:35 PM
Thanks! Join the club!
BTW, the oaths taken by the Supremes are indeed sobering – thank you for that posting as a reminder which we need.
Cabby,
“Thanks for a sensible voice for a change. It is very frustrating to not be able to communicate with a fellow poster who simply repeats the same thing over and over.”
You’ve got 3 choices: 1. Admit you are wrong. 2. Produce a ruling overruling SCOTUS 3. Just not trying to win an argument that you lost already.
Otherwise, I have to keep posting Justice Scalia’s ruling to show your claims are false.
ARMY D.A.V. // July 15, 2010 at 12:12 am
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
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OK – let’s parse some words here.
“I will support the constitution … ”
Support – that is a pretty passive term. Perhaps we can presume this means uphold also. Those are all good things, but not nearly enough. The writer of this oath clearly knew that.
“I will defend the constitution … ”
Now, defend, is the crux of this. That is an active and forceful concept – even aggressive and militant. This does not mean to sit on your butt and wait for stuff to be dropped in your lap – and then take your own sweet time doing it. If anything, it means at the first sign of a potential enemy you whip out your sword and CHARGE!
In the face of an enemy, you don’t have the luxury of leisurely scheduling an event at some time at your convenience in the future. It means: ALERT, ALERT, GENERAL QUARTERS, MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS.
Crikey, how are you supposed to defend anything in slow motion and dilly dallying with bureaucratic procedure?
Remember the 2000 election Florida voting debacle? They pretty much jumped on that right away and dispensed with unnecessary niceties. So don’t tell me they can’t do it.
What do you call somebody who is charged with defending something, and is caught napping? Or worse, just refusing to stand ground?
Come on folks, this is not a trick question. There is an actual word for this!
bob strauss // July 15, 2010 at 12:46 am
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Free Speech // July 14, 2010 at 10:17 pm
bob strauss // July 14, 2010 at 9:55 pm
To get a case before SCOTUS first you have to have a case. Grand Jury indictment is the fastest way to get a case before SCOTUS.
What is the alternative?
Nobody has a viable civil case before SCOTUS. I urged all the eligibility lawyers to motion SCOTUS for original jurisdiction over a year and a half ago. I wrote a motion for one lawyer but it was never filed.
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Free speech, I am afraid we will never get a case through the Obama controlled injustice dept., and courts. I’ve lost all respect for our Obama controlled courts and judges. The fix is in every time a case makes it to court.
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT FED COURT in WHICH APPUZZO FILED. However the New Orleans court ruled against bo and I think the AZ fed court will as well.
The way Mario Apuzzo was treated with the court threatening sanctions, tells me the fix is in. Corrupt judges will never hear the merits of any case against Obama and the corrupt congress will shield him until they are voted out.
Agree about congress.
If SCOTUS doesn’t take the case on original jurisdiction, Obama’s judges will delay, delay,until the case is moot.
You are probably right about most fed courts. I definitely agree we need to get a case to SCOTUS on original jurisdiction.
Free Speech // July 15, 2010 at 12:51 am
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For ‘theory’ you are right, those are pretty much the 3 choices.
But for ‘practice’, there is at least one more choice. And since I have explained it over and over and over, I’m not inclined to do it again. If you refuse to listen or to be reasonable, I cannot help that.
And this is exactly why this topic got added to my “no fly zone” list. And so that is the end of it. You dodge the issue. And I quit discussing it. So I guess everybody is happy. At least I won’t waste any more time over it.
See you on other topics where you still make sense.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 15, 2010 at 1:03 am
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech – 12:37 AM
Thank for continuing to dig a hole for yourself. It makes it so much easier to prove you wrong.
Free Speech // July 15, 2010 at 12:41 am
So Cabby where is your ruling overruling Justice Scalia and don’t try to con us into buy your preposterous claim that Scalia overruled himself in US v. Williams.
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So, is this your courtroom procedure? Your friend, Sam, says that since you are a lawyer you argue to win. You know, I hate to say this, but your arguments are way off in left field when it comes to closely inspecting the aspects of a case.
I could beat you in a courtroom hands down.
Whoever said that someone was trying to overrule Justice Scalia? You just are not quoting other portions of what Scalia said in US v Williams. You can’t stay on the point up for discussion but always have to resort to pasted sections which don’t fit. It has become a joke.
I don’t mean the CGJ is a joke, so don’t misquote me, which you have a propensity to do. I’m in agreement with CC with respect to the grand jury movement. I would like it to work like it was intended in the Constitution.
Cabby – AZ :
A word of advice: Stay away from federal law when attempting to discern the power of CGJ. The feds have emasculated the citizens power with rule six.
The states still uphold and encourage CGJ.
In many states governmental lawyers are not only NOT welcome in Grand Jury sessions, they are actually banned by law from any participation in Grand Jury sessions. Take Virginia, for example. The mere presence of a lawyer representing the government will invalidate any decision of a Grand Jury. Without the dramatic rhetoric, see how the State of Virginia explains the Grand Jury’s relationship to any such attorneys. “To keep the Grand Jury free from any pressure from the State, Virginia makes it illegal for any attorney representing the State to appear before the Grand Jury, except as a witness. If, however, members of the Grand Jury have questions about their duties, they may ask the Commonwealth’s Attorney for advice. Except for these two cases, if a Commonwealth’s Attorney appears in the Grand Jury Room while the Grand Jury is there, any indictment returned “A True Bill” by the Grand Jury is invalid (no good.) Therefore, while a Grand Jury may request the appearance of the Commonwealth’s Attorney to testify as a witness or to explain some principle of law about the discharge of their duties, they cannot seek his advice as to whether they should return an indictment as “A True Bill.” If a Grand Jury finds that it is in need of advice as to its duties, but does not know if it may invite the Commonwealth’s Attorney into the Grand Jury Room to explain, it should notify the judge that it desires further instructions, and it will receive such instructions in open court. ”
I invite you to read the entire article here:
Basic Research on What is Behind
the Citizen Grand Jury Movement
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/interested-grand-jury-indictments-of.html
Sayonara CJG Topic
This topic has now been discussed to the point of going in circles. FS, SS, Cabby AZ, myself, and others have stated our thoughts and observations. All the discussion is here on the blogs for all to read.
Bottom line: theory good, practical bad.
Anybody cruising by here can read the arguments and see who is making sense. I am interested in no more speculation or theorizing. I am only interested in results.
I will leave the same challenge here that I ultimately had to leave the tail chasers who are Romeo Alpha Papa obsessed: Have fun playing with yourselves and wake me up when you achieve your first real documented success.
FINIS
Sam Sewell // July 15, 2010 at 1:09 am
Cabby – AZ :
A word of advice: Stay away from federal law when attempting to discern the power of CGJ. The feds have emasculated the citizens power with rule six.
The states still uphold and encourage CGJ.
In many states governmental lawyers are not only NOT welcome in Grand Jury sessions, they are actually banned by law from any participation in Grand Jury sessions. Take Virginia, for example. The mere presence of a lawyer representing the government will invalidate any decision of a Grand Jury. Without the dramatic rhetoric, see how the State of Virginia explains the Grand Jury’s relationship to any such attorneys. “To keep the Grand Jury free from any pressure from the State, Virginia makes it illegal for any attorney representing the State to appear before the Grand Jury, except as a witness. If, however, members of the Grand Jury have questions about their duties, they may ask the Commonwealth’s Attorney for advice. Except for these two cases, if a Commonwealth’s Attorney appears in the Grand Jury Room while the Grand Jury is there, any indictment returned “A True Bill” by the Grand Jury is invalid (no good.) Therefore, while a Grand Jury may request the appearance of the Commonwealth’s Attorney to testify as a witness or to explain some principle of law about the discharge of their duties, they cannot seek his advice as to whether they should return an indictment as “A True Bill.” If a Grand Jury finds that it is in need of advice as to its duties, but does not know if it may invite the Commonwealth’s Attorney into the Grand Jury Room to explain, it should notify the judge that it desires further instructions, and it will receive such instructions in open court. ”
I invite you to read the entire article here:
Basic Research on What is Behind
the Citizen Grand Jury Movement
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/interested-grand-jury-indictments-of.html
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Thanks Sam for more good info.
Come on, Cabby, starting tomorrow let’s scamper off to new topics. I stayed on this one longer than I should because I kept hoping for some gold at the end of this rainbow. Alas, nada.
Citizen Carlyle
What do you call somebody who is charged with defending something, and is caught napping? Or worse, just refusing to stand ground.
In combat, a dead man .
I’d have to go with coward.
Some Comments Under This Article:
“We Stand With Arizona SB 1070”
http://www.resistnet.com/group/arizonaborderwatchmanonillegalinvasion
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Comment by SANDRA L CHAPUT 3 hours ago
THANK YOU JOAN FOR THE GREAT INFORMATION! WE KEEP PRAYING AND HOPING WE CAN DEFEND OURSELVES IN EACH STATE. SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE SOON OR THINGS ARE GETTING READY TO BLOW UP BIG TIME. WE JUST RECEIVED WORD THAT HEZBOLLAH IS IN MEXICO AND COMING ACROSS THE BORDER INTO ARIZONA. OBAMA IS GETTING IHS MUSLIM AND MEXICAN CIVILIAN ARMY TOGETHER. WE ARE WORRIED SICK ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN ARIZONA.
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Comment by Joan McDaniel 3 hours ago
Brief for 9 states backs Arizona immigration law:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100714/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_states
DETROIT – Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox has filed a legal brief on behalf of nine states supporting Arizona’s immigration law.
The Republican gubernatorial candidate said Wednesday that Michigan is the lead state backing Arizona in federal court. Michigan is joined by Alabama, Florida, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia, as well as the Northern Mariana Islands.
Cox says states are authorized to enforce immigration laws and protect their borders.
The Arizona law directs officers to question people about their immigration status during the enforcement of other laws and if there’s a reasonable suspicion they’re in the U.S. illegally.
President Barack Obama’s administration recently filed suit to block it, saying immigration is a federal issue.”
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Comment by Cristi Ritchey 7 hours ago
Joan, I received an invitation to join with the collective state militias who were intending to go to Arizona to lend their law enforcement a hand. The leader stated that they had received a large response to the muster.
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Comment by Joan McDaniel 10 hours ago
Hmmm: What’s Washington planning at our southern border?
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/14/hmmm-whats-washington-planning-at-our-southern-border
By Michelle Malkin • July 14, 2010 10:16 AM
“Sharing a couple of interesting e-mails from my mailbag over the past week…
From reader D…
Hello Michelle-
I am a federal employee with the US Geological Survey who often does field work near the border.
Last week we were told to not travel to field sites within 5 mi of the border between Buenos Aires Nat Wildlife Refuge and Douglas, i.e basically all of the SE Arizona border. This decision was apparently based on communications with the Border Patrol and is supposed to be a temporary situation.
I have no other information and don’t know if any other agencies are issuing similar warnings. But, this leads me to believe that some US operation is planned or the Border Patrol is anticipating something from across the border.
I thought this odd enough to forward it because you may receive related info and so that you be tuned into news from the area.”
And from an AZ insider…
“There is a huge gearing-up of ICE/BP regarding what may be a major drug enforcement Ops in southern AZ. Agents brought in from all over the US for a 2-3 month TDY. Unusual that all directives are coming from Napolitano’s D.C. henchmen. With Napolitano’s long history of adoration towards Mexican government officials, there is concern that this could lead to some type of giant ambush caused by our very own double agent (the Director of Homeland Insecurity). Something very peculiar is happening and I am concerned that AZ is going to be punished in a big way…
…some of the more seasoned agents are concerned about this Washington-driven investigation…Some think that this is going to be for show. Others are really concerned for their own health and safety.”
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Comment by David A Clark 22 hours ago
The only way that BHO will be impeached is when in Nov. the GOP gains control and does the will of the people, BUT, be careful of who you vote for, check their voting record, put the right person in, Both parties have been infected by the Progressives, chose wisely!”
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Comment by Tana W. Bernard 1 day ago
Flip this House!
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Comment by Rolda 1 day ago
The House has to bring the charges for Impeachment, then the Senate holds the trial….there is no chance in h*** that anyone in this current House would even breath a word about impeachment. It might very well be possible after the elections.”
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NO Mosque at Ground Zero
Stand with the ACLJ and send a message to New York — NO Mosque at Ground Zero. Add your name below to the Committee to STOP the Ground Zero Mosque — and join with us in demanding that New York City reject this troubling proposal
https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3612&ac=1
Free Speech – 12:51 AM
You’ve got 3 choices: 1. Admit you are wrong. 2. Produce a ruling overruling SCOTUS 3. Just not trying to win an argument that you lost already.
Otherwise, I have to keep posting Justice Scalia’s ruling to show your claims are false.
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This does not deserve a response, but……….
what you just said is …..UTTER STUPIDITY.
We are not blind or dumb, so multiple postings are idiotic, imho. Even your 3 choices don’t make sense. I’m sorry to have to say that, but it’s the truth.
May the RAP be with you…
Pentagon warns Congress Accounts Running Dry!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100714/pl_nm/us_usa_pentagon_budget
From another thread….
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/07/update-atty-orly-taitz-appeal-to.html
Wednesday, July 14, 2010
UPDATE: Atty Orly Taitz appeal to Clarence Thomas docketed in the Supreme Court of the United States.
ObamaRelease YourRecords on 8:03 PM
This is an update to the Atty Taitz appeal to Associate Justice Clarence Thomas to reverse sanctions in Rhodes vs MacDonald. The appeal is now docketed with the SCOTUS. Below the docket info is the previous report on the appeal and the motion filed…
No. 10A56
Title:
Orly Taitz, Applicant
v.
Thomas D. MacDonald, Colonel Garrison Commander, Fort Benning, et al.
Docketed:
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Read the rest at the above link
This looks interesting.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 15, 2010 at 1:13 am
Come on, Cabby, starting tomorrow let’s scamper off to new topics. I stayed on this one longer than I should because I kept hoping for some gold at the end of this rainbow. Alas, nada.
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We’ve done our best on this one and we’ve devoured all of the meat. All that’s left are bones to be picked over and over. Fruitless exercise! I had avowed to let this go earlier today and then got swept back into it.
As far as I’m concerned conclusions have been reached and any future discussion is a waste of time and energy. Let’s put this one to bed!
Good night everyone!
Re: Sam Sewell // July 15, 2010 at 1:09 am
& Sam Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 12:31 pm
From today’s e-mail:: Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
From today’s e-mail::
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Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
1. 4 Weeks before the BP blowout Obama builds an alibi—“I am opening offshore drilling off of all the Coastal U.S.” Goldman Sachs dumps nearly all of its stock 40%+ in BP, a profitable winner. Days before they dump the rest.
2. BP ignores the advice of all the drilling contractors on making the well safe. BRITISH Petroleum had a manager directing drilling who had never been on an offshore rig before, that purposely ignored all safety warnings. BP ignores Transoceanic warnings about a problem with the blowout preventers. BP ignores repeated warnings on numerous problems from numerous sub-contractors.
3. The well explodes under suspicious circumstances, but BP does nothing immediately to control it. Why? The Dutch offer to have it controlled in 48 hours. They are ignored.
4. Obama sacks his National Intelligence Director (a Navy Admiral) who cannot comment on intelligence, or the reasons he was sacked because of Federal Laws.
5. BP top fills the well but it fails as predicted in advance by numerous oil professionals causing downhole damage to the well which has
caused a massive pollution of the southern U.S. The way they bungled
everything, the Gulf will be dead for decades!
6. Obama now declares ALL drilling is suspended in the Gulf and makes numerous PR trips to the Gulf to look like he is outraged.
7. John Podesta is Obama’s man that built his cabinet, and all his Czars
8. John Podesta is also head of George Soros ‘Center for American Progress’ (a socialist organization dedicated to killing capitalism in America and for building according to Soros “A New World Order”)
9. John Podesta’s brother is the lead lobbyist for British Petroleum, whose services are now in huge demand.
10. Soros was a huge contributor to Obama’s campaign
11. Soros invested $900 million in Petrobras, the Brazilian government controlled oil company that plans on drilling offshore in Brazil, yet cannot get the deepwater rigs operating in the Gulf
12. Days after Soros investment, Obama grants $2 billion to Petrobras of U.S. taxpayers dollars to drill offshore in Brazil….the company nets over $15 Billion annually
13. U.S. drilling companies must do something with their now idled rigs and are planning on moving them off to South America—-to Petrobras which will supply the oil to the U.S. as an Import
14. Obama gives a patsy White House Oval Office speech on the disaster, but also during the speech he states the need for Carbon Taxes….Cap and Trade.
15. The carbon tax exchange will be based in…You guessed it…….Chicago….and called the CCX…..The CHICAGO Climate Exchange
The Joyce Foundation, a private U.S. foundation which provides funding and support to initiatives focusing on education, environment and employment in the Great Lakes region.
The Joyce Foundation was established in 1948 by Beatrice Joyce Kean of Chicago . Since its inception, the foundation has made grants of more than $600 million.
Some of those grants include $1.1 million to Richard Sandor in 2000-2001 to create the Chicago Climate Exchange.
Former Board of Directors’ members include President Barack Obama (1994-2002) and Valerie Jarrett, his top adviser.
Who will benefit from the Chicago Climate Exchange….You guessed it…..Obama and his buddies, Goldman Sachs and the Chicago crew.
Who will benefit from Obama’s shutdown of drilling in the Gulf……You guessed it……Obama and his buddy George Soros
Who benefits from Obama sending $2 Billion of taxpayer dollars to a company that Nets $15 Billion per year…..You guessed it…….Obama and his buddies.
Who is Obama screwing again…..You guessed it…..American Citizens.
Barack Hussein Obama is intent on the total destruction of America.
He does nothing to stop the Illegal invasion from Mexico, he does nothing to fix the banking problem, he does nothing to stop the blowout, he DOES NOTHING to stop the downfall of America while he plays golf, travels to Ohio for 10 minute speeches at a cost of $750,000, listens to Paul McCartney concerts, and goes to baseball games in NY.
What do you expect from someone that never produced his Birth Certificate, has gone around the world Apologizing for America ’s past actions, and bowing to the head of the Muslim World.”
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Sam Sewell,
Thank you for your excellent information that you share here, as always!!
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:50 am
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Good night and may God be with AZ.
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:50 am
We’ve done our best on this one and we’ve devoured all of the meat. All that’s left are bones to be picked over and over. Fruitless exercise! I had avowed to let this go earlier today and then got swept back into it.
As far as I’m concerned conclusions have been reached and any future discussion is a waste of time and energy. Let’s put this one to bed!
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You are making me smile & LOL with this comment, Cabby – AZ.
Citizen Don – 1:56 AM
Thank you, and God bless you all in CA!
Starla – 1:56 AM
Where have you been today? Missed you, but the wires have been hot over a hotly contested subject.
Hope your day was good and am glad that you got a kick out of the finale! God bless!
To: Cabby – AZ//July 15, 2010 at 2;05 am
I work and I attend college full-time, so
I am very busy with working and my college assignments, homework, studying and doing many things each day and night as many people are.
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:35 am
Free Speech – 12:51 AM
You’ve got 3 choices: 1. Admit you are wrong. 2. Produce a ruling overruling SCOTUS 3. Just not trying to win an argument that you lost already.
Otherwise, I have to keep posting Justice Scalia’s ruling to show your claims are false.
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This does not deserve a response, but……….
what you just said is …..UTTER STUPIDITY.
We are not blind or dumb, so multiple postings are idiotic, imho. Even your 3 choices don’t make sense. I’m sorry to have to say that, but it’s the truth.
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Like I said Cabby you just keep digging the hole deeper for yourself . and showing your false flag colors.
Still no answer for this:
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:50 am
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 15, 2010 at 1:13 am
Come on, Cabby, starting tomorrow let’s scamper off to new topics. ..Alas, nada.
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We’ve done our best on this one … Fruitless exercise!
As far as I’m concerned … a waste of time and energy.
Let’s put
this one to bed!
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In other words you lost and have nothing that overrules Justice Scalia.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech // July 15, 2010 at 6:03 am
Like I said Cabby you just keep digging the hole deeper for yourself . and showing your false flag colors.
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La-De-Da!! Think I’ll go back to bed! Good Morning, BTW.
Free Speech // July 15, 2010 at 6:13 am
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:50 am
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 15, 2010 at 1:13 am
Come on, Cabby, starting tomorrow let’s scamper off to new topics. ..Alas, nada.
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We’ve done our best on this one … Fruitless exercise!
As far as I’m concerned … a waste of time and energy.
Let’s put
this one to bed!
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In other words you lost and have nothing that overrules Justice Scalia.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
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Thanks to Free Speech and Sam Sewell for the excellent research on the power of the Citizens Grand Jury.
Plains Girl // July 15, 2010 at 7:19 am
Free Speech // July 15, 2010 at 6:13 am
Cabby – AZ // July 15, 2010 at 1:50 am
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 15, 2010 at 1:13 am
Come on, Cabby, starting tomorrow let’s scamper off to new topics. ..Alas, nada.
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We’ve done our best on this one … Fruitless exercise!
As far as I’m concerned … a waste of time and energy.
Let’s put
this one to bed!
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In other words you lost and have nothing that overrules Justice Scalia.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
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Thanks to Free Speech and Sam Sewell for the excellent research on the power of the Citizens Grand Jury.
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U R welcome PG!
There is plenty more good info at The Steady Drip.
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the BHO campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville
Ah,yes! The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat!
Sam Sewell // July 15, 2010 at 11:14 am
You are what I call a Can-Do Patriot Sam Sewell. We need more like you.
The Man Who Thinks He Can
by Walter D. Wintle
If you think you are beaten, you are;
If you think you dare not, you don’t.
If you’d like to win, but think you can’t
It’s almost a cinch you won’t.
If you think you’ll lose, you’ve lost,
For out in the world we find
Success being with a fellow’s will;
It’s all in the state of mind.
If you think you’re outclassed, you are:
You’ve got to think high to rise.
You’ve got to be sure of yourself before
You can ever win a prize.
Life’s battles don’t always go
To the stronger or faster man,
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
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