Blagojevich trial wiretap November 10 2008, Blagojevich criminal complaint, Wiretap should be interesting, Citizen Wells open Thread, June 28, 2010

Blagojevich trial wiretap November 10 2008, Blagojevich criminal complaint

In case you didn’t see this yesterday.

“From the Blagojevich complaint we discover more interesting conversations centered around the senate seat and more people caught on tape.

“101. On November 10, 2008, ROD BLAGOJEVICH, his wife, JOHN HARRIS, Governor General Counsel, and various Washington-D.C. based advisors, including Advisor B, discussed the open Senate seat during a conference call. (The Washington D.C.-based advisors to ROD BLAGOJEVICH are believed to have participated on this call from
Washington D.C.). Various individuals participated at different times during the call. The call lasted for approximately two hours, and what follows are simply summaries of various portions of the two-hour call.”

“HARRIS said they could work out a three-way deal with SEIU and the Presidentelect where SEIU could help the President-elect with ROD BLAGOJEVICH’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1 to the vacant Senate seat, ROD BLAGOJEVICH would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign, and SEIU would get
something favorable from the President-elect in the future.”

“The November 10 , 2008 wiretap has not been released.

It should be interesting.”

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132 responses to “Blagojevich trial wiretap November 10 2008, Blagojevich criminal complaint, Wiretap should be interesting, Citizen Wells open Thread, June 28, 2010

  1. Ole Harris is singing like a canary. He’s bucking a deal with the DoIJ for sure. Soetoro’s goons will be doing everything possible to make his death look like an accident.

    Someone in IL needs to keep an eye on him to ensure his safety, preferrably a skilled and trained sniper, or equivalent.

  2. citizenwells

    “How many deaths will it take till we know
    that too many people have died?
    The answer is blowing in the wind.”

  3. CW,

    Ahh, excellent reference. I haven’t heard that song in years. Gotta pull out the Dylan 33-1/3rd and listen for a while.

  4. In lieu of all the surrounding issues, I really hope and pray these criminals are removed from the White House.

    That’s a step in the right direction. But as I was speaking with my family this past weekend we all came to the eerie conclusion that we are indeed in a Cold War against the Federal Government.

    Looking at the massive amounts of movement the states and their people are revealing, we’re seeing plenty of behind-the-scenes “cold war games” the U.S. used to play with the Russians for decades.

    Immigration, gun control, sovereignty, death care, oil spills, taxes, representation…you name it. The states are in a full out COLD WAR with Washington. Most people visiting here remember this time in our history full well.

    I hate to see what’s lurking around the corner, considering we’re more joined at the hips than our commie counterparts were.

  5. 2 more stories to add to the Cascade Of Corruption.
    Remember, BO + CIA = BOCIA which means in Italian “The Kid.”

  6. I wonder if the future deal obama was to give to the SEIU Union Goons happened to come in the form of over 100 billion dollars of tax payers money to secure their union dues and pensions in the name of “Bailout”?

    That’s a pretty hefty sum of payoff money for a favor.

  7. To be fair,

    The teachers union also received over 100 billion of the bailout money to secure their dues and pensions as well.

  8. Off topic but important to members here:

    Pull your membership people, if you haven’t done so already. The NRA is a trojan horse (just like the AARP) and they are tracking member movement, and have been for some time. They have been lobbying far too long in Washington, and it’s clear they have failed on certain critical legal fronts.

    Do not be fooled by their “programs”. Carry and own your firearms with as much anonymity as possible. Purchase from private sellers wherever possible. And whatever you do, do not brag about what you own, and pay cash at all times.

  9. Petition To Remove The Stalin Statue From The US National D-Day Memorial

  10. Another Obama buddy subpoenaed.

    GOP Pounces After Democratic Candidate’s Subpoena In Blagojevich Trial

    Kris Alingod – AHN News Contributor
    Chicago, IL, United States (AHN) – Illinois State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias has been subpoenaed by lawyers of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich to testify during the former governor’s corruption trial.
    Giannoulias told the Chicago Tribune on Sunday that he introduced a union official to Valerie Jarrett, White House senior advisor and presidential assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement.
    Jarrett is believed to have been President Barack Obama’s choice for the Senate seat he vacated when he won the presidency. Blagojevich is accused of trying to sell his appointment to the seat, which Giannoulias is seeking in the November election against Rep. Mark Kirk.
    Federal wiretaps played last week at the trial had Blagojevich’’s former chief of staff, John Harris, saying that Giannoulias had called him about the Senate appointment. Giannoulias told the Tribune he called to recommend Jarrett, a close friend of the Obamas, for the seat, but that he had not acted on the president’s behalf.

    More here:

  11. “Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., has been appointed president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate. Byrd will be third in line for the presidency behind the vice president and the speaker of the House. ”

    This was dated Nov. 15, 2006 and Byrd still served in this position. Interesting, no?

  12. Marine Widow Michaela Brummund Battles Verizon Over $350 Termination Fee

  13. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

    In 1942, 24-year-old Byrd joined the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), whose parades in Matoaka, West Virginia, he had witnessed in his childhood. He was unanimously elected Exalted Cyclops, or leader, of his local chapter.[4]

    Byrd, in his autobiography, attributed the beginnings of his political career to this incident, although he lamented that they involved the Klan. According to Byrd, a KKK official told him “You have a talent for leadership, Bob… The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation.” Byrd recalls that “suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did.”[4] He participated in the KKK during World War II, holding the titles Kleagle (recruiter) and Exalted Cyclops. He did not serve in the military during the war, working instead as a welder in a Baltimore, Maryland shipyard, where he helped build warships.[citation needed]

    Byrd commented on the 1945 controversy about racially integrating the military. Byrd, when he was 28 years old, wrote to segregationist Senator Theodore Bilbo, of Mississippi, vowing never to serve in such a military:

    “Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.[5]”

    He had earlier written “I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side”.[6][7]

  14. OT Supreme Court 5 to 4 vote, extends gun rights to all 50 states.

  15. State law mandates that, if a Senate vacancy occurs more than 2 1/2 years before the term is up, a special election be held to fill the seat. There were exactly two years, six months and five days left in Byrd’s term when he died.

  16. Judicial Watch has been investigating the massive corruption in the Blagojevich Administration for years. In 2006 Blagojevich refused a Judicial Watch public records request for subpoenas relating to the federal investigation of his crooked administration and in 2007 Judicial Watch filed an open records lawsuit in Cook County Court to obtain them. Last year Judicial Watch obtained public records that prove Obama and Blagojevich had repeated contact after Obama became president even though the White House has vehemently denied it.


  17. citizenwells @ 10:45 am

    No, CW. I keep forgetting to read there. I should have known you were on top of it though. Keep up the great work!

  18. Philo-Publius

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court held Monday that the Constitution’s Second Amendment restrains government’s ability to significantly limit “the right to keep and bear arms,” advancing a recent trend by the John Roberts-led bench to embrace gun rights.

    By a narrow, 5-4 vote, the justices signaled, however, that less severe restrictions could survive legal challenges.

    Writing for the court in a case involving restrictive laws in Chicago and one of its suburbs, Justice Samuel Alito said that the Second Amendment right “applies equally to the federal government and the states.”

    If Obama gets another pick after Kagan is confirmed, the decision will be reversed.

  19. Let us not forget, Giannoulias is a “Barky B-Ball Buddy.”

    “Some of the wiretaps may reveal that it was not Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s longtime friend and current White House policy adviser who was Obama’s top candidate to fill his U.S. Senate seat, but the young 32-year old “pick up basketball” friend of Obama, Giannoulias, then serving his second year as state Treasurer. However, Obama has avoided campaigning for Giannoulias in Illinois and there are indications that the president has “thrown Giannoulias under the bus,” according to some Democratic political circles in Chicago.”

    I believe much, if not all, this info was from the Wayne Madsen Report.

  20. Philo-Publius

    DOJ official resigns over Obama’s racism
    “Based on my firsthand experiences, I believe the dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law. Others still within the department share my assessment. The department abetted wrongdoers and abandoned law-abiding citizens victimized by the New Black Panthers. The dismissal raises serious questions about the department’s enforcement neutrality in upcoming midterm elections and the subsequent 2012 presidential election.” J. Christian Adams

  21. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Re: The Gun Rights Decision- they believe Kagen will be confirmed. A clearer line in the sand could not have been drawn, nor a clearer message sent. Timing is, indeed, everything.

  22. The Algore scandal was caught on video.

  23. According to a new 60 minutes/vanity fair poll, 13% of Americans believe Obama was born outside of the country and another 11% are not sure what country obama was born in.

  24. Philo-Publius

    Red State is doing some coverage:

    Blago subpoenas Giannoulias

  25. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    CW –

    “The November 10 , 2008 wiretap has not been released.”


    What does that mean? Not released YET or will NOT be released?

  26. House Democrats Put Salazar in ‘Witness Protection Program’

    Plaquemines parish president Billy Nungesser is furious, drawing a line in the sand with the White House!
    The Obama Administration has aked for a halt on dredging sand berms off the Chandeleur Islands that just started last week, until the project can be relocated farther
    into the gulf. Nungesser fired off a letter threatening President Obama to step in and do something or face a tongue lashing on national T.V.
    “Dammit, it took us long enough to get the permit now they are going to throw rocks at us. They all need to rot in hell for this.”
    Nungesser has been the face of the sand berm project, now he’s red faced over the order for U.S. Wildlife and Fisheries.
    “Some brilliant individual said we think a mile out is not enough it may scowl the island, or it may subside. So, let’s shut it down.”
    Tuesday evening was the deadline to stop the dredging, to Nungesser it might as well have been high noon
    “I asked the governor to let me stay out there tonight on the dredge, let em come out there and take the permit away.
    Tell them the radio not working. We’ll smash it with a hammer.”
    Nungesser is targeting President Obama as the only hope for continuing the work. In harsh letter he spelled out an option.
    “Don’t shut us down, let us lay the pipe three miles out and then let us move the dredge so we will be down less than a day and we’ll refill the hole,” Nungesser said.
    He also issued a threat to the President in the letter if he didn’t do something to help.
    “It says if it shuts down, I’ll be on Anderson Cooper at nine…and it won’t be pretty.”

  28. citizenwells

    I expect the November 10 wiretap to be released.
    It was referred to in the criminal complaint.

  29. yo // June 28, 2010 at 11:25 am

    The Algore scandal was caught on video.


    yo – You made my day. I have to send this to everyone I have ever known.

    PS – And to everyone I don’t know yet.

  30. OT, but important to consider.

    Over the past several days there has been some talk of armed resistance as ultimately being the only option to rid us of BHO and the socialism/marxism he is using to “transform” America. It MAY come to that ultimately, but those who see armed rebellion as desirable, need to seriously rethink their position.

    I have spoken before about “velvet revolution” as something which could be used IF we cannot prevail in Nov. In all fairness to yourself you should read a lengthy discussion about this technique if you haven’t already been familiarized. Rep. Steve King is quoted in the article as suggesting its possibility.

  31. What’s an Exalted Cyclops anyway?

  32. Michelle – 12:18 PM

    What a report about BHO’s roadblocks set up everywhere to stop the Gulf folks from trying to help themselves! He has become (and probably always was secretly) the Enemy No. 1 of the sovereign States and the American people.

    He is arrogant, totally unfeeling, and completely EVIL!! There aren’t enough negative words in the English language to describe this USURPER!

  33. Cabby – AZ @ 12:39 pm
    The people in the Gulf states who know the territory like the back of their hands know best what to do to protect their coasts. No bureaucrat in DC would have a clue, definitely not their area of expertise. On the one hand you are torn is Obama a complete idiot? or worse is he harming the Gulf Coast states on purpose? Either scenario is horrible to contemplate. BP isn’t looking like a bunch of geniuses either.
    Last night on the news, they finally reported that
    many entrepreneurs sent BP/Feds all manner of great ideas to help fix the oil spill, they are looking at them. Hello, the object of this exercise is to heal the Gulf as quickly as possible and to SAVE BP and the Federal government money (taxpayer money). I’ll see if I can find that video.

  34. Napolitano: ‘You’re Never Going to Totally Seal That Border’

  35. Philo-Publius

    yo @ 12:31 pm
    What’s an Exalted Cyclops anyway?

    A general organization of the local Klans was effected in Apr., 1867, at Nashville, Tenn. Gen. N. B. Forrest Forrest, the famous Confederate cavalry leader, was made Grand Wizard of the Empire and was assisted by ten Genii. Each state constituted a Realm under a Grand Dragon with eight Hydras as a staff; several counties formed a Dominion controlled by a Grand Titan and six Furies; a county was a Province ruled by a Grand Giant and four Night Hawks; the local Den was governed by a Grand Cyclops with two Night Hawks as aides. The individual members were called Ghouls.

  36. Prarie, Did Byrd serve as tempore that early, like in 07′. So Bush nominated him for this position or who did???

  37. CSB investigation of Deepwater Horizon may yield facts on root causes. Here is the body of a note I just sent to a Chemical Safety Board investigator.

    “In most CSB investigations, the explosion, fire or release is past and investigators face few risks. In the Gulf, the release continues. Many focus on the oil, but a significant portion of materials released include lighter ends, such as benzene, methane and hydrogen sulfide. These are not confined to the liquid phase at atmospheric conditions, such as crude oil is.

    “I am concerned that the massive leak is releasing large volumes of toxic lighter end materials, throughout the water column and into the atmosphere in the site vicinity. These gases disperse, and a fraction can be returned with rainfall. However, masses are high and dispersal varies with conditions. Those working in the vicinity of the release can be exposed to unhealthy levels of these gases. As you know the vapor/lung pathway is usually the most serious.

    “I hope CSB will insist on obtaining reliable measurements of these toxic materials before exposing investigators or workers to them.

    “Secondly, the formation tapped is at extremely high pressure and may be unstable. It appears to me there is a risk of catastrophic release from this formation, which could have wide ranging and unforeseen impacts far beyond human capability to respond, except with prior evacuation.

    “Your work is extremely important because CSB appears to be the sole unbiased, independent party appraising the situation. There are many rumors regarding some intentionality in the disaster; I trust your group’s root cause analysis will shed light on the sequence of events and whether intentionality or negligence contributed.”

  38. bob strauss // June 28, 2010 at 10:25 am

    OT Supreme Court 5 to 4 vote, extends gun rights to all 50 states

    The Supreme Court was organized in 1790 with judicial power to review cases arising under the Constitution, the Laws of the United States and treaties.

    Review cases , not the Bill of Rights.

    Supreme court does not have the authority to change the meaning of , amend , extend , rule on , alter , the Bill of Rights .

    By a narrow, 5-4 vote, the justices signaled, however, that less severe restrictions could survive legal challenges.


    Any restrictions to the second Amendment are unconstitutional.

    The federal courts have “limited” jurisdiction in that they can only decide certain types of cases as determined by Congress or defined in the Constitution

    How are the four votes not treason ?.

  39. Free Press and the Left Have Had At Least 30 ‘Behind Closed Door’ ‘Sellout’ Meetings with the FCC since January

  40. LM @ 12:57 pm
    Among my questions to Napolitano re: AZ border would be:
    Why are we securing every border across the US at great cost to the American taxpayer and leaving a huge hole in our border protection? or are we?
    Is terrible terrain your idea of border control since thousands are and have made it through despite terrible conditions? much documented evidence.
    The entire world knows about the AZ border being wide open either through the press, the president of Mexico announced it in his visit to American for the possible two people in the world that weren’t aware that it is wide open, plus Gov. Jan Brewer has to battle with the Federal government to attempt to get them to do things that are part on their jurisdiction, they now have a new fellow victim for Gov. Brewer, which would be Gov. Jindal LA. He is trying to protect the state of LA, and they seem to be working as hard as possible against his best efforts.

  41. Jeffm……………………………………………………………

    I would think that a few 800 lb gorillas might also serve as a deterrent as well. LOL

  42. JeffM…………………………………………………….
    It is with great sadness that I admit that our beloved NRA has SOLD US OUT, thanks to ONE asshole in side of the organisation. I am a little surprised that he is still around to BRAG about it!.

  43. keep fighting the good fight. Stay safe..God Bless

  44. I shall reword my last comment.

    It is with great sadness that I admit that we all were sold out by a person within the NRA. I believe that it is time to put the hurt to their membership by WITHDRAWING our own memberships.

  45. The ongoing war against religion has gotten more intense and focused under Obama. The Supreme Court ruled that a religious group at a university cannot bar potential members whose views and values contradict those of the group. A gay rights group challenged the group’s stance which was consistent with scriptural condemnation of homosexuality, and the Supreme Court sided with the gay activists!

    This is a sad day for this once great nation.

  46. Prairie………………………………………………….

    Isn’t it Byrd who is over 90,and nearly unable to even raise his hand?

  47. JeffM……………………………………………………..

    Another great way to acquire things is to TRADE things of value. That is how I came into possession of much of my hardware.

  48. YO…………………………………………………..

    Wouldn’t an exhalted Cyclops be a ONE EYED MONSTER about 100′ tall? I believe that there was another named Polyphemus.

  49. Philo-Publius

    Blagojevich Considered Oprah for Senator

    As if she weren’t powerful enough, Rod Blagojevich seriously considered asking Chicago heavyweight Oprah Winfrey to take over the Senate seat vacated by Barack Obama.

    “Nobody would assail this pick,” he says in tapes recorded on Nov. 21, 2008.

  50. Philo-Publius

    In Business Case, Court Rules Against Kagan

    The Supreme Court on Monday morning ruled against Ms. Kagan in a case she had argued as solicitor general when it decided that a quasi government agency that audits public companies is unconstitutional. The board’s members are appointed and removed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, and not the president – a violation of Article II of the Constitution, which vests executive power in the president, the court ruled.

  51. Philo-Publius

    More Arguing Over Byrd’s Vacancy
    Update: Sec of State Tennant to Give Presser at 4:30PM; Her Own Words on Succession

  52. DAV……………………………………………………..

    Great to see that there IS sombody else who sees it like I do. I am glad that you agree with my own view. The courts CANNOT strike down our Constitutional rights, but they can suspend them via Martial Law. I believe that Soetoro is looking for a legal way to justify Martial Law over the entire cxountry. I have a gut feeling that he might try to impose Martial Law resulting from an alleged serious threat from the Gulf. I am also sure that he is watching, waiting,and scheming.

  53. OldSalt,
    That’s the one. He is also strongly opposed to amnesty. Things that make you go – hmmm. He has been absent the last two votes. Bettin’ they were trying to drag him across that 1/2 year mark so they could avoid the special election. Not that they will hold a special election, just have to pull a Kennedy now.

  54. Old Salt 79 – 2:55 PM

    I believe that Soetoro is looking for a legal way to justify Martial Law over the entire cxountry. I have a gut feeling that he might try to impose Martial Law resulting from an alleged serious threat from the Gulf. I am also sure that he is watching, waiting,and scheming.
    Agreed! These are extremely serious days and even more so the closer we approach Nov. We need to WATCH! (and pray) “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”

  55. I impose Margie Law…prosecute all politicans for treason. 🙂

  56. Watching Kagan Hearings – She has that “Who pssed gas?” look.

  57. “passed”

  58. Philo-Publius

    In the House, 36 Democrats joined 168 Republicans in opposing the bill, which Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) described as a violation of Congress’ oath to uphold and protect the Constitution.

    “The purpose of this bill, plain and simple, is to allow Democrats to use their majority in this house to silence their political opponents,” Boehner said last Thursday. “This is a backroom deal to shred our Constitution for raw, ugly, partisan gain.”

  59. Margie…………………………………………………

    “Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.”…………….That ain’t the way I do it.! I do onto others exactly as they have first done onto me. I compound what they did onto me by a factor of 10 squared, and do it back to them.

  60. @ms.helga: or “I hope nobody can smell that”.

  61. WTH – Scott Brown is going to be a witness FOR Kagan.

  62. LM………………………………………………………………

    Are you aware that a foot print is exactly like a fingerpring. There is enough skin serrations to allow each footprint to be unique in and of itself. In short there will be no other having the same exact characteristics.

  63. Cabby – AZ // June 28, 2010 at 12:30 pm ,

    While I wholeheartedly agree it requires no armed conflict to remove the usurper and his cabinet from office, I do not agree it will be simple at all removing the massive corruption, theft, and outright criminal behavior at other levels of government, including the Judicial and Legislative branches.

    Our framing fathers knew full well there would be a fair amount of corruption in politics forever. Some of them were very corrupt even then. But they also knew the corruption had to be controlled to a certain level or the system would completely break down, opening a door for loss of our freedom and our nation.

    What we are seeing is a catastrophic failure of the government. History has told us that one of 2 things occurs when this happens:

    1. Oppression and tyranny


    2. Collapse

    We might get lucky and have the system collapse on itself with zero bloodshed. But what we’ve been seeing lately is a heavy shift to tyranny and oppression. And we know exactly how that panned out in the past 4 wars surrounding tyranny.

    We as a nation can either wait and try the legal route using a broken, illegal system. We can also shift the powers back to the states and create a more colonial union to secure a new government system. Or we can try a more forceful approach. Using legal route will most likely end up in failure. The re-unionizing of our states will require massive amounts of support at the state level, risking another civil war. And the more forceful route will surely end up in blood.

    Those really are the only solutions we have against an oppressive government, at least from a historical perspective.

  64. Zeeshopper // June 28, 2010 at 3:36 pm


    Now the big question – Which one of us is the optimist and which one is the pessimist?

  65. oldsalt79 // June 28, 2010 at 2:27 pm


    Another great way to acquire things is to TRADE things of value. That is how I came into possession of much of my hardware.


    Excellent point. Rule of thumb: stay off the grid as much as possible. The less people know about you, the saver you are.

    But don’t leave the grid either. That will put you on the “terrorist” watch list…

  66. Obama WILL be exposed….

    It is not a matter of IF, it is a matter of WHEN!!!

    He will not run again, the states and citizens are all over his elgibility issues and are prepared. Even if the facts come out after his leaving, his nominations and laws will be void.

    He knows this and is most likely planning what country to move to in 2012 to avoid being extradicted back to the USA.

    Hopefully, we expose and catch him prior to 2012.

  67. That should be “safer”, not saver.

  68. Scott Brown?

    What in the world could he testify on her behalf for anything?

    I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but Scott Brown is already riding on thin ice from those that elected him.

  69. William // June 28, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    That’s a step in the right direction. But we are only scratching the surface. All this poster boy has been doing is playing golf and doing what he’s been instructed to do. He’s been doing what many politicians have been doing for decades. Only he’s more sinister and arrogant about it.

    He’s merely a mirror of the overall theme of the tyrannical federal regime. What we need to be doing is focusing on the corrupt system and its cogs, devise a plan, then start dismantling it piece by piece until the cancer is removed from the system and we can move forward with the healing process.

  70. JeffM // June 28, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Off topic but important to members here:

    So, we’re back to black is white, up is down, and near is far???

    I’ve been reading NRA conflicting views for a few months…….I agree with you… not trust.

  71. Prairie // June 28, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Patrick Fitzgerald is also one of o.’s basketball buddies from back in the day.

    One of C.W.’s articles from way back mentions their basketball connection.

  72. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ARMY D.A.V. // June 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    bob strauss // June 28, 2010 at 10:25 am

    OT Supreme Court 5 to 4 vote, extends gun rights to all 50 states


    Several things to remember:

    1. Some have said – with a certain amount of astuteness – that “the constitution is what the USSC says it is”.

    2. Originally, NONE of the bill of rights applied to the states – only the fed. They were put in there to doubly ensure that the fed government did not violate those specific rights, no matter what anything else in the constitution might say or imply.

    3. For the last hundred years, almost ALL of the doings of the USSC have centered around and built upon the 14th amendment. In a very real way, Constitutional Law is all about the 14th amendment and not about much else.

    4. The 14th amendment was specifically geared to making negros fully equal – but was badly botched – as evidenced by the fact the the USSC has read ALL KINDS of other meanings into it.

    5. Until today, the 2nd amendment had never been incorporated against the states. In the original constitution it was not. After the 14th amendment, a strong case could be made that it was, or at least should be.

    6. The ruling today could have gone either way with good arguments and good precedent either way. If you like the ruling, you should just feel lucky that it came out the way it did.

    7. As a Gun Rights activist I am very happy for even this small favor. As a States Rights activist, I do not approve of the Federal Government ever telling the states what to do. So I am ambivalent.

  73. ARMY D.A.V. // June 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I agree. Our rights are not open to review or infringement by any branch of our government.

    As far as I’m concerned, everyone in all 3 branches of our government are way beyond treason already.

    First, and foremost, because they have set our country at extreme risk to our enemies by shirking their sworn duty to investigate an enemy usurper in the WH.

    Imo, any official or candidate who does not deal with o.’s ineligibility is a national security risk himself or herself. He or she is abetting the breach of our security.

  74. Here is something of interest,

    I just researched the US census website and found theses facts.

    They began hiring for the 2010 census in December of 2008, one month after Barry took office, for the 2010 censes. These numbers have been included in the unemployment figures ever since.

    The US Census claims that out of the estimated 320 million Citizens, a whopping 72% of Americans mailed in their forms.

    This leaves only an estimated 90 million households that require door to door wokers to count.

    The US Census website claims they have hired over 2 million temporary workers to finish the job, (emphasis mine).

    Now let’s do some simple math folks. With over 2 million census workers and only 90 million to count, that mean each Census worker would need to count 45 door to door families!!!!

    This could be accomplished in a week!! Per Census worker work load. And we continue to add 400,000 each week for what reason other than to manipulate the true unemployment numbers? Little lone our tax dollars funding it….

    I sent mine in, then a month later had a person show up for a re-do, then 2 weeks later had 2 more in a pair ask again, then a week later had a guy calling himself a quality control worker asking me over the phone. That’s 4 times for me.

    A grass cutting crew can spend 1 hour at 45 peoples house cutting their lawn in a week, but a Census worker can’t manage 5 minutes at 45 households in 5 months.


  75. Just heard Sen. Durbin of ILL pay tribute to Sen. Byrd of WV on c-span. All I can say is this – IF BULL$HIT WAS CONCRETE, YOU WOULD BE I-95!!

  76. Obama’s longtime friend and current White House policy adviser who was Obama’s top candidate to fill his U.S. Senate seat, but the young 32-year old “pick up basketball” friend of Obama, Giannoulias, then serving his second year as state Treasurer

    Isn’t this the dude who lost millions for one of the Chicago banks and has mob ties??

    If so, shouldn’t Illinois officials be looking closely at the Illinois budget and money spent while this guy was state Treasurer??

  77. oldsalt79

    Congress knows he’s a usurper and very likely an illegal alien, letting Barry Soetoro raise the stakes to Martial law , they would all be found guilty of treason , life sentence , no parole, no excuses .

    Besides , Martial Law could interfere with their plan to destroy America socially and economically , their current and preferred method to establish a communist dictatorship.

  78. Well isn’t this weird.
    ARMY D.A.V. @ 5:32 pm
    Ten people have been arrested in America for allegedly spying for Russia, the US justice department announced this evening.
    Eight of 10 were detained yesterday for supposedly carrying out “long-term, deep cover assignments” in the United States on behalf of the Russian government. Two others were arrested for allegedly participating in the same Russian intelligence operation.
    All of them were charged with conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government, which carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison on conviction.
    The cases were filed in the US district court for the southern district of New York. Federal law prohibits individuals from acting as agents of foreign governments within the United States without notifying the US attorney general.
    Nine of the defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum 20 years in prison on conviction. FBI agents arrested the defendants, two of whom were named as Richard Murphy and Cynthia Murphy from Monclair, New Jersey. They were appearing today in a federal court in Manhattan.
    Three other defendants also were being taken to federal court in Manhattan Vicky Pelaez and a defendant known as “Juan Lazaro” who were arrested at their residence in Yonkers, New York, and Anna Chapman, who was arrested in Manhattan yesterday

  79. and weirder.
    ARMY D.A.V. @ 5:32 pm
    US cracks ‘deep-cover’ Russia spy mission, arrests 10
    (AFP) – 57 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON — The United States has arrested 10 alleged spies accused of carrying out “deep-cover assignments” for years for the Russian intelligence services, officials said Monday.
    An 11th suspect remains at large, the justice department said as it revealed the shocking developments only days after US President Barack Obama praised his visiting Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev as a “solid and reliable partner.”

    See all analysis and opinionU.S. financial reform no longer a done deal
    Jun 28, 2010 15:54 EDT
    financial reform
    The political calculus for U.S. financial reform is suddenly more complicated. Last Friday’s 5 a.m. Capitol Hill compromise was meant to be the culmination of months of hard-fought wrangling. But Republican Scott Brown’s wavering and Democrat Robert Byrd’s death put the proposal back in jeopardy.
    The legislation hammered out by congressional negotiators last week still needs to pass both chambers in Congress. In the Senate, it had been expected to get 60 votes, the exact number needed to defeat any Republican attempt to kill it. But few thought the bill would contain a $19 billion assessment over four years on financial firms, designed to pay for the new rules
    For Brown, the junior senator from Massachusetts who consented to an earlier version of the bill, the surprise addendum might be a poison pill. First, he has ruled out voting for any new taxes. Second, the fee might be interpreted as hitting mutual fund firms such as Boston-based Fidelity Investments.
    With the Senate about to go on a week-long holiday, the second option would risk delaying final passage of the bill and its signing into law by President Barack Obama. That interregnum might give Republican leaders enough time to change a few minds their way. With votes unexpectedly scarce, Obama has more work to do if he wants a bill ready for his signature.

  81. Scott Brown should be voted out of office like every other politician, regardless of political affiliation. The quote “The mind that alters alters all.” should be remembered by everyone that wants to see the constitution restored as the foundation of this country. When the mind begins to alter reality, no matter how small or trivial, it is only a matter of time before their mind will alter everything. Let this be a lesson for all of us, if there is any area where a politician falters or allows for compromise, we should NOT vote for them.

    The beliefs to be questioned by all wanna be politicians should be: abortion, freedom of speech, second amendment, taxation, spending, foreign entanglements, states rights, role of the USA in foreign relations, and maybe a few other areas. If their beliefs are not consistent with the constitution or conservative principles, we should not vote for them. There is no room for compromised viewpoints at this time.

  82. Bill Cutting

    “Just heard Sen. Durbin of ILL pay tribute to Sen. Byrd of WV on c-span. All I can say is this – IF BULL$HIT WAS CONCRETE, YOU WOULD BE I-95!!”

    One Coward and Fraud paying tribute to another Coward and Fraud.

    I hope DD Fails , like Byrdy did!

  83. William // June 28, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Just more ‘redistribution of wealth(taxmoney)”??

  84. This one is right out of the movie Fahrenheit 451.

    Kagan: its Fine if The Law Bans Books Because Government Won’t Really Enforce It .

    This is a real Psychopath, just look at her, his eyes.

    She , he will fit in just find with the rest of them , they will all be soul mates.

  85. 5-4 vote today at Supreme Court.

    As someone on Daily Paul said:

    1 vote away from losing the 2nd Amendment.

    One more Obama appointee to the court, and we’re screwed-blued-and-tattood.

    I guarantee their working on the next Justice to announce he’s stepping down as we speak.

    If the court swings 5-4 in favor of the Liberals, freedom as we somewhat know it, is obsolete without a revolution.

  86. William, I think your right, perhaps this is why 2 billion showed up in a bank in Africa and no one knows how it got there.

  87. Army DAV…………………………………………………..

    I personally think that the SCOTUS will eventually disbanded. When Soetoro thinks that he finally has a strangle hold on the country. his “FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE WILL OCCUR. He will circumvent both Congress and the Scotus. But he still has to circumvent “we the people” I think that will turn out to be a cat of another color. If Americans have become so complacent that everybody thinks all will be well, ,they couldnt be more wrong. I can’t believe how many Americans think NOTHING is wrong.. Maybe Bin Laden was correct when he said that Americans are a decadant society.

  88. When the FBI arrested the ten who were allegedly spying for Russia why didn’t they arrest Soetoro and his goons as well?. They are trying to do the same thing to us that the Soviet union couldn’t accomplish during the cold war. Hell the cold war never ended.

  89. oldsalt79 // June 28, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    When the FBI arrested the ten who were allegedly spying for Russia why didn’t they arrest Soetoro and his goons as well?

    Most likely because it would expose a path to the British Royal Crown instead of Russia.

    After all, Soetoro was detained in Russia and was accused of being a British spy in 2005. It fits the pieces of the puzzle nicely, and you have to have a lot cahones to do what Russia did without evidence. These are the kinds of things countries go to war over.

    Think about it. You have a planted father who’s British. You have the bloodline to British government officials, and it falls in line with a crooked and mysterious path. If he’s a British plant, it gives Britain the opportunity to get a clear leg up on the United States over control and cooperation in the Middle East.

    The way the average British citizen talks and feels about Americans, you’d swear we were still in 1785.


    Insiders Report It Was Accomplished With The Assistance of the Clinton Mob

    Filed 8/28/05



    CLOAK Co-host Sherman Skolnick prior to the 2004 Election fingered Barack Obama running in Illinois for the U.S. Senate as a British Intel agent born in Kenya. Skolnick, as a co-spy watcher unmasked Obama on his regular CLOAK program, Shop Talk From Plot H.Q.

    Today Russian President V. Putin ordered U.S. Senator Barack Obama, who is also tight with MOSSAD, to be held in custody under suspicion of being a British operative illegally spying in Russia at off-limits secret facilities.

    Spying with Obama, who was locked up, was U.S. Senator Richard Lugar, pro-Bush, was detained by Putin but unlike Obama, quickly released. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Richard Lugar and Committee member Barack Obama at a base near Perm, Russia. This is where mobile launch missiles are being destroyed by the Nunn-Lugar program.

    Lugar delegation detained for three hours in Perm after inspecting nuke weapons facility US Senator Richard Lugar, who was briefly detained with a US delegation in Perm, Siberia, after inspecting the site, which is being dismantled with US funding.

  90. Guess what folks. The libs are getting ready for the fight over how to cut the deficit.

    They’ve put out a chart today that attempts to “prove” that the majority of our current deficits is because of BUSH’S TAX CUTS. chart at

    Look for this phonied up chart to become a standard talking point in the months to come when they start trying to find ways to cut the deficit. They will never admit that gov’t spends too much.

  91. President Obama’s aide failed to disclose $40K payout

  92. Citizen Don in California

    I’ve been trying to play catch up on here for about an hour and only have one question: How much more is going to be revealed about o before he bites the dust and gets his “fair” trial??

  93. bob strauss

    Why won’t the same 5 justices that voted for the second amendment, vote to uphold the eligibility requirements to be president?

    Now might be a good time bring up the subject of Obama’s usurpation at the SCOTUS, the court definitely leaned conservative on the gun issue.

    Anyone hear any news on Mario Appuzo’s case? His case could be the next one to be appealed to SCOTUS.

  94. “Hawaii elections official victim of vicious smears
    Honolulu clerk alleging cover-up: ‘They have failed quite miserably'”

  95. AZ-legal citizen

    During the trial, Rezko attorney presented an email exchange to the jury that hinted at Obama”s role in setting up the scheme.

    The exchange showed that Obama and seven other top Illinois politicians consulted on the legislation passed in 2003 and were involved in recommending the members for the board.

    Blagojevich signed the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act with an effective date of June 27, 2003.

    However, before he could sign the act, a bill had to be passed by the Illinois House and Senate.

    Obama was the inside guy in the senate who pushed through the legislation that resulted in the Act.

    Obama was appointed chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. The minute the bill was introduced, it was referred to his committee for review.

    The sponsors of the bill also served on this committee with Obama. Within a month, Chairman Obama sent word to the full senate that the legislation should be passed.

    On May 31, 2003, Senate Bill 1332 passed and specified that the Board shall be appointed by the Governor, with the advice and consent of the Senate." The legislation reduced the number of members from 15 to 9, paving the way for the appointment of a five-bloc majority to rig the votes.

    In 2003 and 2004, Obama’s relationship with Rezko grew particularly strong. Obama was a junior state senator who decided to mount an improbable campaign for the U.S. Senate. Aides to that campaign recall that to convince pundits he was serious, Obama aimed to amass $1 million in campaign donations by June 2003.

    Rezko stepped up, feting Obama at a fundraiser at his suburban Chicago mansion in mid-2003. Obama reached his fundraising goal, ending June 2003 with $1.07 million in the bank.

    June 30,2003. Just one month later was a BIG PAY DAY for Obama!

    Where is Issa or any other member of Congress? Why wasn’t Obama indicted with Rezko?

  96. AZ-legal citizen

    I forgot to mention: Aiham Alsammarae, who is a one-time classmate of Tony Rezko and had been appointed as Iraq’s Minister of Electricity by L. Paul Bremer in July 2003. Chamchamal power plant to be built by Mr. Rezko’s Rezmar International..

  97. “No birth certificate needed to verify Obama’s old Arcadia job”

    “Emmet White, Arcadia president and CEO, went to the source since in-house records could not verify this small bit of Obama history. “Imperfect memories are not good enough,” White said in a letter to Obama at the White House, “so we ask (for) your recollection.”

    The president responded, “I remember those days in Punahou and my time working at Arcadia, …”

    Besides a framed letter signed by the president, Arcadia hopes to install a small plaque to commemorate the Obama link – yet another landmark reflecting Obama’s youth in the Islands. …”
    “Where’s monument for Obama’s birthplace?”

    “The first obstacle to commemorating Obama’s birthplace, of course, is that unlike America’s first 43 presidents, the exact location of Obama’s birth is unknown.”

  98. LM @ 9:54 pm
    OK-Hank Disclose how much these 2 or more entities contributed to both parties during the 2008 election cycle and break it down by individual candidates. While on the subject of disclose have Obama unseal all his sealed records. Disclose is in the eye of the beholder.
    BP-Goldman Sachs and other corporate miscreants

  99. What I find interesting about Tim Adams and what he is attempting to do, I think he is playing “sweet and innocent” he says everyone in Hawaii knows that Obama does NOT have an Hawaiian birth certificate, we sure of that since so many checked and found nothing, but Tim says he “believes” Obama was born in the USA, well lacking a birth certificate for Hawaii, where would the next guess lay? I beginning to think Obama was born in the State of Confusion.

  100. Philo-Publius // June 28, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “which Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) described as a violation of Congress’ oath to uphold and protect the Constitution.”
    Well, shut my mouth (because my jaw dropped to the floor when I read this one.)

    Hey, John, where was your concern about your oath to the Constitution before the inauguration of a foreign usurper? after the inauguration? for the past 1.25 years?

    Where’s your concern right now? We’ve noticed your acute disdain for your oath of office when the issue is o.’s ineligibility.

    Thanks for allowing our country and especially ALL of our military folks to be hung out to dry by an enemy in disguise because you won’t fulfill your oath and speak up to protect and defend as you swore you would.

    Yeah, pull out your righteous indignation about Congress’s oaths to the Constitution when your reelection funds are jeopardized. That’s about your level of concern.

    Don’t think we haven’t noticed.

    Our military members deserve better . . . much better.

  101. Michelle // June 28, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    hahahahahahaha State of Confusion

    Maybe he wasn’t born at all, maybe he was manufactured. Maybe he really is a ‘bot in human clothing.

  102. I happened upon a group of 8 to 10 people who didn’t know each other but who had spontaneously started talking with each other in a public place, as people do.

    They were ALL talking about how bizarre, strange, out of touch, out of control, and removed from reality our government, state and federal, has gotten in recent years. They were all talking about how candidates make all kinds of promises, especially about lowering taxes and then they get into office and do whatever they want to do.

    They weren’t so much griping as just kind of amazed, bemused, and puzzled at the way the government has gotten so out of hand.

    I figure this random group, a representative cross-section of citizens, is an example of what’s happening everywhere. We really are all waking up and getting the picture.

    Hope we all figure out just what we’re supposed to DO about the situation.

  103. !?!! @ 11:43 pm
    I swear the little that I hear of him, his zombie like delivery on anything does tend to make you wonder if the thing in the suit is human, it has all the appearance of a human, it’s like those little dolls they had years ago you pulled a string and it talked.

  104. !?!! @ 12:04 am
    Hearing the same thing in FL, from very divergent groups. People are looking for the logic in any governmental agencies-fed-state local and are finding nothing except cuts in everything and higher taxes. I have never seen the American public at large as unhappy as people are lately. I think enforcing the laws, and putting the guilty in jail would help a lot, no more slaps on the wrist, nor a Nixon resignation followed by a pardon would cut it this time around. Government has to live by the same rules as any other citizen or criminal.

  105. !?!! // June 28, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    “We’ve noticed your acute disdain for your oath of office when the issue is o.’s ineligibility.”
    “John Boehner dismisses birthers”

    From: 7/29/09

    “The “birther” movement has gotten a lot of ink lately, but House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) is clearly uninterested in giving the Barack Obama birth certificate question any more attention.

    When asked about the birther issue during a Christian Science Monitor lunch with reporters on Wednesday, Boehner was dismissive of the topic. Boehner signaled that for House GOP leaders, this question isn’t on the radar screen in any way.

    Other Republican leaders, including Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, have outright dismissed the birth certificate question, saying there’s no doubt Obama is a natural-born citizen.

    When pressed by another reporter as to whether he had any doubts that Obama was born in Hawaii, Boehner had a curt, one-word answer: “No.””

  106. Brought over from last thread
    Michelle, Citizen carlyle (FOBO) and JJ, did you read this:-

    Marty Didier // June 28, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Hi Marty-hope you are well.
    ” The hardest part to deal with will be believing what you learn!”
    As acclimated as we have become to shocks, I guess we can be take a few more. I hope everything comes out, all of it everything-whatever-so that we can be done with this forever. Restore our Constitutional Republic and all become better citizens.

    Hi Michelle — I’m doing fine right now, who knows about later as I’ve hada rough ride up to now.

    Looking back, a long time ago I started posting about some of what I knew. During that time, I knew I couldn’t a lot. Since then, enough has surfaced that those who are intuitive are able to put some of the puzzle pieces together. Now I can talk freely with more detail about what I know, however to a point of course!

    So it’s important that we all realize we are in a moving vehicle with many starting to wake up and to realize what really is happening.

    Thanks for the reply and read the ending.
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)
    … there is so much more to surface that you’ll throw away what you have for the new stuff …
    Do you mean it will surface in this trial – or it is laying out there yet to be discovered?
    My reply is that I would expect some to surface in the trial. It also may all surface as well. That part still is illusive and needs to be.

    But a lot of what is laying out there as you say is laying out there. The problem is people are finding things here and there but there aren’t any threads to connect them together yet. That will come. What I know does connect them but my voice doesn’t carry much weight yet however the criminals know.

    Read the ending please.
    ….this group …
    To me, it’s important to accept that our problems are in dealing with a group. Unfortunately it’s a huge group and can be considered a movement involving more than you would want to know. JJ your comment tells me that some of us are just starting to see that there are many, almost too many to believe that are causing all of our troubles.

    Ending – Please read….

    Realize that I was in a family for more than 26 years who are directly involved with those who are causing the trouble. They started in the later 70′s and in the 90′s decided to start up with World Wide Distribution of drugs. I’ve listed the link of their plane before so here it is again…
    Mexico drug plane used for US ‘rendition’ flights: report Sep 4, 2008

    Clyde O’Connor is family. Bruce Adreani is my brother-in-law’s brother-in-law. The family are in the building business with developing property call Norwood Builders. Look them up and learn about them. The article shows they have CIA connections and Bruce often talked about being a CIA Asseet never having to worry about being prosecuted for anything even if it were murder. They have committed many murders and one needs to learn how many.

    The family’s job is to launder money into property using big banks to hide ownership using mortgage fraud. Their connections put them right with those who are planning the current White House Coup similar to the one in 1933 called The Business Plot.

    If you read up on these areas, looking at what is happening to us makes more sense. It’s a top down view rather than everyone looking from the bottom up.

    The Coup has been gearing up for this for years with preparing the laws to allow them to take over. The kickoff was 911 and it was an inside job. Bruce Adreani knows many who are involved as well as those who planned 911. It wasn’t ever a secret! Obama would have been expected to know. Obama in the early 90′s assisted Bruce and Clyde with setting up their drug business in Florida. Obama told Bruce that he wasn’t a US Citizen and the criminal system expecting high achievements from OBama would easily cover it up. It’s taken a while but Orly has fianlly surfaceed hard core evidence.

    Already Blago’s tapes suggest Obama according to Blago is much worse a criminal then himself. Make no mistake as when more surfaces you’ll come to understand how true that is. But Obama isn’t the only one as we had other presidents as bad but during those times our citizens would fight more but not now.

    Look at this as a Coup takeover by the big finanical groups and corporations. An element of the Pentagon is also involed.

    There’s a lot more for another time…

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  107. GORDO // June 29, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Doncha just swell with pride!!! NOT!

  108. Michelle // June 29, 2010 at 12:06 am


    Zombie . . . . hmmm. . . . yeah . . . I think we’re homing in now. Maybe a possessed zomboid?

  109. Michelle // June 29, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Yeah. I think we’re all coming out of OUR zombie trance and noticing that the problem isn’t the dems vs the repubs, but the citizens vs the entrenched power entity that has nothing to do with representing US at all.

    In the discussion I overheard, people had voted differently, but they were all saying the same thing about the people who were elected.

    I agree, too. Same rules, same standards. Prosecute the crooks and put them in prison.

  110. GORDO // June 29, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Maybe he better start having some doubts. lol

    The issue is NOT going away.

  111. For all of you Catholics reading Citizen Wells please watch this hour and half video presentation on George Sorros ties to false Catholic organizations. Even if you are not Catholic please watch and pass it on to Catholics you know.

  112. !?!! and Michelle –

    Manchurian zomboid!!

  113. cyber – 12:37 AM

    Re. Marty Didier’s revelations about some Florida operations – I remember reading the list of Soc. Sec. numbers used by BHO at sometime during his existence and some were for Florida addresses.
    That could figure into Marty’s scenario that he has revealed. Doesn’t this all figure into Crime, Inc.? It would be no surprise that drug trafficking could be involved. That is a big “moneymaker”! After all, it was very well established that Bill Clinton and friends were conducting drug operations out of Arkansas in prior years. Is anyone so naive as to think that drugs are not still a BIG problem? That is one of the underlying problems right here in AZ with the Mexican drug cartels.

    OH!! I just happened to think! Maybe, just maybe, that is one of the reasons BHO does not want to close down the AZ-Mexican border. It could interrupt the flow of “you know what.”
    Possibility?? (Oh, of course, there are other reasons, too – like a deal maker for amnesty and resulting votes.)

  114. TruthSeeker

    The picture we’ve seen with the fly on Zero’s face..?

    Look at his eyes…

    There’s nothing there…

    Zomboid indeed.

  115. Good morning everyone..

  116. citizenwells

    Good morning.

  117. I personally take what the ALLEGED Marty Didier has to say with a GRAIN of SALT. What he has to say MAY,OR MAY NOT be entirely true. Only when he is willing to come forward and state his case in sworn deposition will I look upon it as the truth. Even then I remain largely skeptical. However I would have to admit that in all probability none of us really know the half of what has occurred in Soetoro’s past. Further it is probable that certain people do know a lot about his paast. Until they are ready to reveal it we are doomed to conjecture.

  118. Cabby – AZ // June 29, 2010 at 4:02 am

    Manchurian Zomboid — Perfect! lol

  119. TruthSeeker // June 29, 2010 at 4:21 am

    “There’s nothing there . . . ”

    As jbjd says, “irredeemable emptiness.”

    Maybe . . . Zomvoid? lol

  120. 68truthseeker

    Obama’s Executive Orders

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