Nancy Pelosi certified Bill Owens illegally?, Voter fraud, November 12, 2009, Doug Hoffman winner?, NY-23 election, Oswego County voter fraud?, Pelosi corruption, NY congressional seat, Absentee ballots not counted

Did Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats steal the NY congressional seat?

 Barack Obama gained the Democratic nomination with voter fraud and strong arm tactics during the primaries and caucuses along with Nancy Pelosi’s help during the convention. Obama has strong longtime ties to ACORN, masters of corruption and voter fraud. With the focus on voter fraud in 2008 that continues on into 2009, Nancy Pelosi and her corrupt cronies have achieved another level of corruption and voter fraud.
Nancy Pelosi ramroded through an unpopular, socialist Health Care Bill last weekend by a margin of 2 votes.  Bill Owens apparent victory made a difference in the vote. Did Owens win the NY-23 election?

John Charlton of The Post & Email just brought a breaking story to our attention.

“It looks increasingly that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in her zeal to get the Health Care Federalization Bill passed, may have sworn in an unelected candidate for the NY-23 Congressional District, in violation of the U.S. Constitution and New York State laws.

As a matter of fact, the Secretary of State of New York has not certified the election, in which Dough Hoffman and Bill Owens vied in a special election, nearly head to head, after Scozzafava retired in humiliation, having lost the support of conservatives in her district.”
“It turns out that Pelosi’s swearing-in of Owens had the political effect of garnering the addition Republican vote, of Cao, in the vote for the Health Care Bill, which passed narrowly, 220-215.  The election fraud therefore puts in doubt the legitimacy of that vote also.”

Read more:

http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/massive-election-fraud-threw-vote-count-against-hoffman/

From the Syracuse Post Standard, November 12, 2009.

“Recanvassing shows NY-23 race tightens even as Rep. Bill Owens is sworn into House seat”

“Conservative Doug Hoffman conceded the race in the 23rd Congressional District last week after receiving two pieces of grim news for his campaign: He was down 5,335 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted on election night, and he had barely won his stronghold in Oswego County.

As it turns out, neither was true.

But Hoffman’s concession — based on snafus in Oswego County and elsewhere that left his vote undercounted — set off a chain of events that echoed all the way to Washington, D.C., and helped secure passage of a historic health care reform bill.

Democratic Rep. Bill Owens was quickly sworn into office on Friday, a day before the rare weekend vote in the House of Representatives. His support sealed his party’s narrow victory on the health care legislation.

Now a recanvassing in the 11-county district shows that Owens’ lead has narrowed to 3,026 votes over Hoffman, 66,698 to 63,672, according to the latest unofficial results from the state Board of Elections.

In Oswego County, where Hoffman was reported to lead by only 500 votes with 93 percent of the vote counted election night, inspectors found Hoffman actually won by 1,748 votes — 12,748 to 11,000.

The new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which about 10,200 were distributed, said John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections.

Under a new law in New York that extended deadlines, military and overseas ballots received by this coming Monday (and postmarked by Nov. 2) will be counted. Standard absentee ballots had to be returned this past Monday.

Conklin said the state sent a letter to the House Clerk last week explaining that no winner had been determined in the 23rd District, and therefore the state had not certified the election. But the letter noted that Owens still led by about 3,000 votes, and that the special election was not contested — two factors that legally allowed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to swear in Owens on Friday.

“We sent a letter to the clerk laying out the totals,” Conklin said. “The key is that Hoffman conceded, which means the race is not contested. However, all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed.”

Before Owens was sworn in Friday, Rep. John Garamendi, a Democrat who won a special election in California, was sworn in Thursday. The two gave Pelosi the votes she needed to reach a majority of 218 and pass the historic health care reform legislation in the House.”

“Ryan said an important factor in the decision to concede was the unexpected — and erroneous — close vote in Oswego County, where polls had Hoffman with a double digit percentage point lead heading into Election Day.

“That’s the thing that threw us off,” Ryan said.

Oswego County elections officials blame the mistakes on “chaos” in their call-in center that included a phone system foul-up and inspectors who read numbers incorrectly when phoning in results. Of 245 races in the county — not including the congressional and court races — 84 had incorrect totals reported election night.

In the congressional race, more votes were cast in Oswego County than any other in the 11-county district.”

“Jerry Eaton, the Republican elections commissioner for Jefferson County, said inspectors found a problem in four districts where Hoffman’s vote total was mistakenly entered as zero.

“Hoffman definitely gained votes where he didn’t have them,” Eaton said.”

“Ryan said the absentee ballots are likely to favor Hoffman because most were likely mailed before Republican Dede Scozzafava suspended her campaign three days before the election.

“For Doug to win, we needed a three-way race,” Ryan said, adding that the campaign’s internal polls showed Hoffman would win with all three candidates.

“Given the majority of these ballots are from a three-way race, we think the ballots are going to break Doug’s way,” Ryan said.”

Read more:

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

230 responses to “Nancy Pelosi certified Bill Owens illegally?, Voter fraud, November 12, 2009, Doug Hoffman winner?, NY-23 election, Oswego County voter fraud?, Pelosi corruption, NY congressional seat, Absentee ballots not counted

  1. Anyone have Glenn Beck’s radio show call in phone # , someone should contact him , Hoffman was on his show.

  2. Patriot Dreamer

    The Glenn Beck Program
    Call toll-free nationwide: 888-727-BECK

  3. You can call The Rush Limbaugh Show program line between 12 Noon and 3PM Eastern Time at: 1-800-282-2882

  4. It always sems to me from a transatlantic perspective the practice of calling election results before all the votes have been counted is undemocratic and can lead to candidates being bullied into conceding. This results can be swayed by misrepresentation and fraud.

    The result should not be called until all the votes are counted. In Brtitain this means absentee votes have to be deadlined a few days before the election but that is managable.

  5. I was surprised when they conceded on election night myself when they announced that 10,000 absentee votes still hadn’t been counted….What a miracle it would be if Hoffman wins and the Heath Scare vote was illegal too!!! Let’s start praying folks….maybe they will find even more unaccounted votes for Hoffman!!

  6. Patriot Dreamer

    boggartblog, I agree with you. It’s one thing to say that even with every single absentee ballot counted, the losing candidate couldn’t possibly win, but in this case that’s not what happened.

    The influence of the news media and pollsters is also very troubling to me – especially in national elections. It’s almost like saying that the polls that close first on the east coast matter more than those that close last on the west coast, Hawaii, and Alaska.

  7. Did anyone ever find out what they gave Scuzzface to throw her votes to Owens…..I heard she met with someone from the White House!!

  8. Patriot Dreamer

    JS, at best, they would find that Owens singular vote didn’t count. More likely they would say that his vote was cast in good faith. Either way, it wouldn’t invalidate the whole vote. I have to say that it sure would be sweet to see Owens removed from office and replaced with Hoffman.

  9. Patriot Dreamer

    The implicit marginal tax rate and why it’s important under Obama/Pelosi-Care:

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/11/100-plus-taxation-key-to-permanent-dem.html

  10. John.
    Thank you.

  11. #

    Patriot Dreamer // November 12, 2009 at 10:10 am

    JS, at best, they would find that Owens singular vote didn’t count. More likely they would say that his vote was cast in good faith. Either way, it wouldn’t invalidate the whole vote. I have to say that it sure would be sweet to see Owens removed from office and replaced with Hoffman.
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    The troubling part is that the Republican Cao voted for the Health Scare bill after the count made it possible to pass……if Owens had not voted then the Repub would have voted with the Republicans……the thing would not have passed!!!

  12. Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 10:05 am

    I was surprised when they conceded on election night myself when they announced that 10,000 absentee votes still hadn’t been counted….What a miracle it would be if Hoffman wins and the Heath Scare vote was illegal too!!! Let’s start praying folks….maybe they will find even more unaccounted votes for Hoffman!!
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    Confused here, why wasn’t every affiliate of Hoffman’s campaign on every level on high alert???

    Just the 6? zeros coming in from counties should have made someone’s ears perk!!

  13. Patriot Dreamer

    Why would a re – vote on the bill not be in order?.

  14. Patriot Dreamer:

    “It can happen!” Hoffman is a ROOKIE to the political game who apparently did not “know the rules” of the game, and conceded before he knew he could “contest” the results. Because he was not the “chosen” RNC candidate, he did not have the benefit of their knowledge. Now, they want to help him? Guess we all know why, though.

    Owens should never have won…not by a long shot! Skuzzy should not have been in the race! Shoulda, woulda, coulda…blah blah blah!

    The Republican Party better get its “ducks in a row” before they remain too splintered to affect a positive [?] result in 2010.

    This should never have happened IMHO!

    Peace…Linda

    PS My crankiness is slowly leaving in this case!

    We have much to do in NY to “throw the bums out!” There are so many of them here!

  15. Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Did anyone ever find out what they gave Scuzzface to throw her votes to Owens…..I heard she met with someone from the White House!!

    NEW BRAS???

  16. Patriot Dreamer

    Kidmon posted the following link in the previous thread. I thought Michelle O. was supposed to be the new Jackio O.?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/michelle-obama-veterans-d_n_354167.html

    That belt is horrible!

  17. NP is known for committing voter fraud like she did for BO sending in papers saying he is eligible and removing the words referring to the constitution. She really should be going to jail for her fraud. She says people without insurance should go to jail. She is one of the biggest criminals next to usurper BO.

  18. Patriot Dreamer

    ARMY D.A.V. // November 12, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Would it have made a difference in the outcome if that seat were not filled or if Hoffman had been there instead and voted “nay”?

  19. #

    Linda from NY // November 12, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Patriot Dreamer:

    “It can happen!” Hoffman is a ROOKIE to the political game who apparently did not “know the rules” of the game, and conceded before he knew he could “contest” the results. Because he was not the “chosen” RNC candidate, he did not have the benefit of their knowledge. Now, they want to help him? Guess we all know why, though.

    Owens should never have won…not by a long shot! Skuzzy should not have been in the race! Shoulda, woulda, coulda…blah blah blah!

    The Republican Party better get its “ducks in a row” before they remain too splintered to affect a positive [?] result in 2010.

    This should never have happened IMHO!

    Peace…Linda

    PS My crankiness is slowly leaving in this case!

    We have much to do in NY to “throw the bums out!” There are so many of them here!
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    Linda….you are so right about your plight in New York…..I have friends there and a cousin on Long Island…..however her father….my Uncle voted for the FRAUD and is a staunch DemoCRAP…..needless to say…..I don’t have much to do with them! Best wishes in New York though…..getting the election FRAUD under control will be a major operation!

  20. Linda from NY // November 12, 2009 at 9:15 am

    You’re welcome. I sometimes hesitate with some of my posts, but I just figured if folks don’t want to know they won’t read it. So, I hit the submit button.

    It’s hard for me, knowing there is so much more these political rats have done over the years, to hear people that want to “settle” for the lesser of two evils. Problem is they’re all evil. We need to start with a clean slate, IMHO. We have to move on and forget them.

    BTW, Clinton was complicit in selling us down the river with the natural and national assets he signed over to UNESCO, continuing the move forward towards global governance.

  21. Jacqlyn:

    Who cares about Skuzzy? The Conservatives kicked her butt to the curb…that’s all that matters IMHO. Yeah, she went to the WH. Maybe, they made her an offer she couldn’t refuse…we will have to wait and see.

    The Republican Party better watch its “ps” and “qs” and not let this happen again or they will lose. Liberal Republicans should be side-lined as much as Liberal Democrats in the 2010 election!

    Peace…Linda

  22. Just Me:

    So much has been hidden relative to the motives and/or policies of former “leaders” [?] IMHO that is now being uncovered.

    Who can we trust to do right by us? Obviously and unfortunately, few. But you know as well as I do, there are those who will bury their heads in the sand because they don’t want to hear it.

    Please keep doing what you are doing to keep us all informed. If one does not want to read, he/she will not. However, there are those of us here and those who lurk who do want to know. That is why we/they come here.

    Thanks, again, for all you do…Linda

  23. #

    Linda from NY // November 12, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Jacqlyn:

    Who cares about Skuzzy? The Conservatives kicked her butt to the curb…that’s all that matters IMHO. Yeah, she went to the WH. Maybe, they made her an offer she couldn’t refuse…we will have to wait and see.

    The Republican Party better watch its “ps” and “qs” and not let this happen again or they will lose. Liberal Republicans should be side-lined as much as Liberal Democrats in the 2010 election!

    Peace…Linda
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Agreed!!!

  24. John/CW:

    Thanks for this post! I hope, even the “lurkers” take notice [and the “unmentionables, too].

    You both are providing a valuable service to all of us here and beyond. Keep up the good work!

    Peace…Linda

  25. I received the below information from Andy Martin last night in an email…..I don’t pay much attention to him but this caught my eye….please pass it on!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    NEWS FROM:
    ANDY MARTIN /2010
    Republican for U. S. Senator
    “The name you can trust”
    30 E. Huron Street, Suite 4406
    Chicago, IL60611-4723
    (312) 440-4124
    http://www.AndyforUSSenator.com
    http://www.AndyforUSSenator.blogspot.com
    http://www.AndyforUSSenator.wordpress.com

    http://www.MarkKirk.us
    http://www.IllinoisHighSpeedTrains.com

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

    ATTENTION DAYBOOK/ASSIGNMENT EDITORS

    ANNOUNCEMENT OF THURSDAY NEWS CONFERENCE IN SPRINGFIELD

    Andy Martin is set to release a new Obama film: “Obama The Hawai’i years”

    Obama operatives have tried to disrupt the film and harass the producer Andy Martin

    Martin says release of his new film may renew questions about Obama’s missing typewritten 1961 birth certificate

    U. S. Senate candidate Andy Martin has a worldwide reputation for his research in Hawai’i on Barack Obama’s family history, for his bestselling book, and for his blockbuster appearance on “Hannity’s America”

    (SPRINGFIELD, IL)(November 12, 2009) Republican U. S. Senate candidate and insurgent “Internet Powerhouse” Andy Martin will hold a Springfield news conference Thursday, November 12th to announce the release of his new film, “Obama: The Hawai’i Years.”

    “I am excited,” Martin will state. “Barack Obama has done everything he can to sabotage our film project, and to sabotage me personally. His dirty tricksters constantly harass me with illegal activity. He wasn’t able to stop me or my film.

    “The film is an outgrowth of our original investigative trip to Hawai’i in October, 2008. After learning I was seeking an interview with his grandmother, Barack Obama also appeared in Honolulu. Over the past year Obama and his thugs have done everything they can to disrupt my research and investigation into his past:

    “Obama attacked me for appearing on Sean Hannity’s ‘Hannity’s America.’ That backfired.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    j8zj_Fj3QpY&annotation_id
    =annotation_259119&feature=iv

    “Obama tried to smear me with a front page story in the New York Times. That backfired. The more Obama tried to stop me, the more I was able to stop him.

    “White House operative Robert Gibbs tried to smear me on Fox News. That backfired as well. On and on it goes.

    “Why is Barack Obama obsessed with me? Because, unlike many of his critics, I have maintained a scrupulous commitment to searching for the truth and trying to find the facts about this elusive person. That’s why we went to Honolulu, and that’s probably why Obama followed me there.

    “We originally planned to release the film last summer. But Obama’s harassment delayed production. Obama’s operatives have stolen some of the tapes we produced last April in Washington. We have filed suit to recover that property.

    “We continue to search for the truth and seek to find the facts.

    “Our first film is short, but it places Obama’s missing past in visual context.

    “There are several critical points I would like to make today.

    “First, Obama continues to refuse to release his original typewritten 1961 birth certificate. What is he trying to hide? The facsimile document that he released is missing significant data.

    “Second, Obama claims he was born in a Honolulu hospital. That fact is also unproven. The hospital will not release its records.

    Unlike some of Obama’s critics, who claim he was born in Kenya, I have found no evidence to sustain that claim. My expert opinion as an investigator and researcher is that Obama was born somewhere in Hawai’i.

    “Third, when I speak as a candidate for the U. S. Senate, I am an opponent of Barack Obama’s political agenda. Indeed, I am Obama’s toughest adversary, running in the primary against Obama’s biggest Republican supporter, Mark Kirk. Mark Kirk’s political agenda is Barack Obama’s agenda.

    “Fourth, when I speak as an author/investigator/artist, I speak to the truth, not to an agenda. I have been relentless in searching for the truth and working to find the facts about Obama. I have not massaged the facts of his life to fit my political agenda, and I do not cut my political agenda to conform to his past. The roles of political leader and author/producer are distinct, and I respect that distinction in my work.

    “Fifth, when I work as a candidate/political opponent I do inject my views. As a writer/producer, I insert my artistic opinions and my creative analysis.

    “Sixth, when we began pre-production earlier this year, Obama was at the peak of his power. It was difficult to obtain financial support. We produced this short feature on a budget. We simply did not have the resources necessary to do a complete treatment. In the film, we appeal for more money to continue our research.

    “Now that Obama’s influence has begun to decline, people are renewing their interest in his unknown personal records and opaque family history. Once again, I have one-upped ‘Barry O.’ Because he delayed my project, Obama insured my film would arrive at a time when there is growing public interest in his peculiar biography. My new film is a first step in discovering Obama’s unknown past.

    “Seventh, during the past several months, the Illinois process for ballot access, called ‘petitioning,’ virtually took over my life. Petitioning took precedence. Now that I am on the ballot, I have more control of my schedule. When my senate campaign schedule permits, we will again work in the courts to fight for access to Obama’s historical records as well as developing new projects.

    “Eighth, Barack Obama would probably not satisfy all of his opponents and end speculation about his past if he released his original files to public scrutiny. But he could eliminate a lot of doubts about him which are held by honest and honorable Americans. That’s why I call myself a ‘doubter,’ not a ‘birther.’

    “The number of Americans who would like to know the truth about Obama’s past-to see his original birth certificate, his PunahouSchool records, his college and law school records–is growing.
    The doubts which Obama creates with his secrecy will not go away with continued secrecy. They will only become more insistent, more acute and more disruptive for the Obama administration.

    “Ninth, this film will disappoint some of Obama’s critics, because I acknowledge that he did in fact get more votes than the Republican, and the means by which this ‘president’ came into being reflects a fascinating story of unlikely people thrown together in an improbable story.

    “We try to provide an opportunity for all points of view to be heard. As I immersed myself in Hawai’i history, I came to understand Obama better; I want people to feel we have been fair to Obama, even if he has not been fair to me. That’s the American way.

    “Tenth, we plan to post the film in short segments on YouTube, with the same intro and a fund appeal, as well as offering a ‘paid’ version of the uncut production for $9.95. We will start taking orders shortly. We are exploring posting an uncut version on the Internet as well. Funds will be a factor. As always, we are short of cash and working on a shoestring.

    “This film is not the last word. It is the first word. I hope to stimulate additional financial support. And more research.

    “As a political opponent of Barack Obama, perhaps the most effective and persistent political opponent Obama has ever faced, I want to lead the effort to defeat his agenda in the U. S. Senate.

    “Obama has not been able to stop me. Not in 2004. Not in 2007. Not in 2008 and not in 2009. I hope the people of Illinois will afford me the privilege of serving them in the United States Senate. If they do, Obama will have failed, once again, to stop me. Both as a political leader and Obama investigator I have over forty years of television, radio and media experience.

    “But as a writer, author, researcher, investigator, scholar and artist, I will continue to study this man’s past objectively: in Honolulu, New York, Cambridge, Chicago and today in the White House.

    “Finally, I hope people enjoy this film. As I have done for a growing audience over the past five (5) years, my writing and research has made the truths and unknown truths about Barack Obama more accessible and understandable to the American people,” Martin will state. “They may not have been listening carefully in 2008. They are listening very carefully now.”

    November 12th Springfield news conference details:

    WHO:

    U. S. Senate candidate, Internet Powerhouse and Obama film producer Andy Martin

    WHERE:

    Sidewalk news conference, Illinois State Capitol, at the Lincoln statue on the sidewalk at Capitol Avenue, Springfield, Illinois

    WHEN:

    Thursday, November 12, 20093:00 P.M.

    WHAT:

    Internet Powerhouse and U. S. Senate candidate Andy Martin will announce the release of his new film, “Obama: The Hawai’i Years,” filmed on location in Honolulu.

    MEDIA CONTACT:

    (866) 706-2639; Cell (917) 664-9329 (not always turned on)

    WEBSITE:

    http://www.AndyforUSSenator.com

    E-MAIL:

    AndyforUSSenator@aol.com

  26. #

    JJ // November 12, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Did anyone ever find out what they gave Scuzzface to throw her votes to Owens…..I heard she met with someone from the White House!!

    NEW BRAS???
    *******************************************

    JJ….that’s funny….did they steal them from PeLOUSY’s supply???? LOL!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  27. Patriot Dreamer

    “Fort Hood shooting suspect Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had been in contact with numerous Muslim extremists — some of whom are under federal investigation — before last week’s rampage, two U.S. officials told The Washington Times on Wednesday.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/12/officials-say-fort-hood-suspect-had-islamist-ties/

  28. Patriot Dreamer

    “Fort Hood suspect’s contact with cleric spelled trouble, experts say”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-awlaki12-2009nov12,0,6542292,full.story
    ***************************************
    Ya think?

  29. Is everyone aware the Continental Congress has started? They are on a short break but will be cont. shortly. There is a live feed. Just google continental congress 2009..

  30. It is being reported that Hasan was wiring money to Pakistan.

  31. Patriot Dreamer

    “Bombshell: Walter Reed shrinks thought Hasan might be nuts since last year”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/11/bombshell-walter-reed-shrinks-thought-hasan-was-nuts-since-last-year/

  32. Patriot Dreamer

    Prairie // November 12, 2009 at 10:45 am

    They showed his apartment on tv a couple of nights ago. It looked really dumpy. I wondered about that at the time, because a Major with no dependents at Fort Hood receives a $1,212 per month housing allowance that is tax exempt. It appears to me that he wasn’t spending that money on his apartment, so what was he doing with the money? Sending it overseas, it seems.

  33. Patriot Dreamer

    “Porkulus job numbers “wildly exaggerated”: Boston Globe?”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/12/porkulus-job-numbers-wildly-exaggerated-boston-globe/

  34. Toby Keith to sing at Nobel Prize ceremony. I guess the boys have a few more old CD’s to use for clay pigeon practice.

  35. Well,

    finally a headline on Drudge about the Ukrainian plague.

    Guess, the others have that memo now and will talk about it. How predictable the media is.

  36. I will only listen to Toby again if he plays “Who’s Your Daddy” for 0.

  37. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe, here it is:

    “A million infected in Ukraine flu epidemic: minister”

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5igljlXmqY49TbADWAZteRNljNEnQ

  38. All: I may be “blue” in NY, but I am beginning to see “red!”

    Please don’t forget: Friday is “Red Shirt” Day!

    Carry on Patriots!

  39. Walpin documents were shredded at request of WH.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/57052

  40. HATE CRIMES BILL – looking beyond what meets the eye, you’ll see this is another move towards FEDERALIZATION of crimes that could be and should be managed on a state level.

    Here’s an interesting quote from article (link below) relavent to what all here have been discussing about the Ft. Hood tragedy.

    snipped from:
    http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=5270

    “Holder says, “The stubborn persistence of anti-Semitism saddens me” What is anti-Semitism? ADL’s Office of Global Anti-Semitism in the U.S. State Department says “anti-Semitism” means any “strong criticism” of Israel or its leaders, or claims that the Jews had Christ killed”.

    “Holder says any such anti-Semitic “hate speech” even as “a casual joke made in private when the speaker thinks no Jewish person is listening,” is very, very bad. It “should scald the conscience of every American.”

    “He also promises that MUSLIMS WILL BE VIGOROUSLY PROTECTED Muslims will be protected under America’s new hate law, just as they are in Canada, Britain, France and Australia”

    There’s a pattern here of laws being passed to further destroy our sovereignty. Notice, they are all being discussed on an “international” level – particularly the ramifications for the necessity of them being global.

    The next will be a “thought” crimes bill. I’m very serious. The last several days there have been several articles that have surfaced on the technology and it being implemented to detect thought. Of course, it’s all in the name of fighting terrorism. And, we all want to be safe, don’t we?

    It also was interesting to see these headlines appear at the same time as Nadal Hassan has committed these atrocities.

    The emotive appeal for implementation of more control will always be disguised as keeping us safe from drunk drivers, for the children, safe from terrorism and to saving the planet or endangered species, etc. Looks like we may be the endangered species now! I digress.

  41. From Newsmax referring to Lou Dobbs

    His presence became awkward for CNN, particularly as it began emphasizing reporting and non-opinion shows. He angered management this summer by pressing questions about President Barack Obama’s birth site after CNN reporters determined there was no issue.
    +++++++++

    Lou will continue to stand up and speak the truth—he’s that kind of man AND Patriot for his country!!!!!!!!!!!

    And we all know what CNN is………..

  42. Patriot Dreamer

    Prairie // November 12, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Walpin documents were shredded at request of WH.
    *****************************************
    I wish I could say that I’m shocked, but I’m not.

  43. Do we have a good source (I know we have the Globe article) about the supposed “lung cancer” and Obama? Also a source for the 25 lbs. of weight lost? Like to know how these were “leaked.” Thanks.

  44. Has Orly thought of speaking with Mr. Walpin?
    Or any of the other patriotic attorneys?
    If I were Walpin I’d want to challenge eligibility in that WH.

  45. I’ll put this short and sweet—Holder is an ASS.

  46. Patriot Dreamer

    “Pelosi On Jail Time For No Health Care: ‘The Legislation Is Very Fair In This Respect'”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/11/11/pelosi_on_jail_time_for_no_health_care_the_legislation_is_very_fair_in_this_respect.html

  47. We need to call the massacre at Ft. Hood of 14
    dead (incl. baby) plus multiple injured still in hospitals—-just what it is

    Islamic Jihadist Muslim Terrorism

    Yes, Terrorism, while obama sits and does what?? Kisses up to the rest of the Jihad world.

  48. Maddie,

    Good to know ASS won’t get you into moderation. Well, it is after all a mule.

  49. Patriot Dreamer:

    Thanks for the link. This, alone, should OUTRAGE everyone…that is, if everyone is aware of this provision in the Health Care Bill.

    Hope we get adjoining cells so we can talk about “how it used to be.” NOT

    Happy Day…Linda

    PS This makes me very cranky!

  50. Re-Dude: True to your name, you are!

    How are ya, bood guddy? How’s the weatha?

    Enjoying a beautifully sunny day here in NY. As far as the temps are concerned, well…I love this weather…not too hot; not too cold.

    Happy Day…Linda

  51. venice: Hey…how’s one of the smartest gals in CAN doing today? What’s new with you?

    Cheers…Linda

    PS Ain’t this grand…election fraud!

  52. Obama Administration Intends to Purge Republicans From the Civil Service (retroactive to five years ago)

    Via Instapundit comes word that the federal government’s Office of Personnel Management (OPM) intends to purge the federal government of Republican civil servants all in the name of purify the federal bureaucracy.

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/12/obama-administration-intends-to-purge-republicans-from-the-civil-service/

  53. A poster a couple of threads previous put forward that Islam is not a religion, but a cult. I know they were trying to “help”, but I say this is incorrect and a very dangerous idea.

    Islam is NOT a cult – it is in the top 2 or 3 of adherents of all the world religions. This is important to understand so that you can grasp the impact. At worst a cult only affects a few kool-aid drinkers. A tragedy of some immediate newsworthiness may result, but the world goes on and there is really no wide impact.

    In contrast, Islam can not only impact the whole world but is close to being able to dominate the world.

    The problem is not that Islam is not a religion, but that it is far more than a religion. It is a culture, social system, secular law code, government, (and religion) all rolled into one.

    I am a strong advocate of religious freedom. But we need to clearly understand that this concept does not apply to Islam! Why? Because you cannot separate out the religious compenent. The “whole” of Islam is anti-American, anti-West, and incompatible with any other religion.

    Although involving some element of apples and oranges, one can with a straight face refer to Baptists OR Methodists in comparing religions, or even Lutherans OR Catholics. But Islam is not comparable to any religion we strive to tolerate. It is comparing apples to forests, or something with even greater cognative dissonance.

    This is DEADLY serious, literally. The problem is NOT going to go away unless enough of us can rise up and be heard with the message: “Islam is NOT a religion, and cannot be ‘tolerated’.”

  54. Philo-Publius

    I hope purge doesn’t mean the same as Odinga’s purge of Christians in Kenya………

  55. We need to purge the WH of BO so that we have a pure American president and not an evil kenyan-born british subject usurper who is doing unconstitutional, illegal and hateful things to the opposite party and the American people and soldiers. I hope we get so many republicans voted in next year that he doesn’t know what to do.

  56. c.n.d.e. ville II

    Boggartblog & Patriot Dreamer — Well said. I am for imposing consequences and penalties for the type of “reporting” to which you refer, including, but not limited to fines, job suspension, and firing. Plus, public retraction of the misleading/damaging information — which is a given when media has not run amok in “Create Your Own Reality and That of Your Viewers” Land.

    I am happy to know the media manipulation extends only so far. If a candidate concedes, and the final vote shows he or she won, he still won. The fact that the people chose that particular candidate is the decider, not the technicality of a premature concession.

    Jacqlyn — Been praying. Still am. I believe Hoffman IS the people’s choice in this election. I pray the voters hold their ground and insist on a true outcome, no matter how long the process takes to wrest the truth from the embedded web of lies, fraud and corruption.

    Linda from N.Y. – I always benefit from your knowledgeable input.

  57. IMPORTANT ARTICLE – PLEASE READ:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/academic_freedom_for_thee_but.html

    MY COMMENTS:

    Education is the Center of Everything

    This is the main reason I left Academia. Even for the hard sciences (my area) this is a problem – but in the soft sciences and non sciences, this is beyond ludicrous. I refuse to try to sit down and have any kind of meaningful and rational discussion with the “other side” until this is fixed.

    Don’t talk to me about “quotas” or milder ideas like “balance” or “fairness” in any other realm until this is fixed. The universities are the foundation of society, they feed the beast, they set the tone of politics and life in general. Until the universites – in their faculty and their ideology – represent America, they range somewhere on the spectrum between useless and subversive.

    The last I looked, the balance of America was approximately 60% conservative and 40% progressive (certainly no less than 50/50 by anyone’s measure). Let’s see the universities get at least close to that. Then let’s talk.

  58. c.n.d.e villa II:

    Appreciate the compliment…Thanks! However, I must warn you…[sorry I’m a teacher].

    My Technical Writing Professor instructed us to avoid using the words “never” and “always” in our writing because nothing is “never,” and nothing is “always.” Think about it…

    I have stupid days, brain freezes, and memory lapses just like everyone. I try to think before I speak, but it doesn’t “always” work. See?

    Happy Day…Linda

    PS No offense intended…just trying to learn you!

  59. c.n.d.e. ville II

    Does the federal government even have the constitutional authority to offer this unhealthy bill for vote? Seems like gross infringement of their stated limits, to me.

    I vote that the thing be trashed and the YES voters be unseated, as they obviously do not meet the qualifications for their office.

  60. U.N. AGENDA 21 – A gobal to local program – In 1992 put George Bush came back and put into every federal agency.

    “Sustainable” – the buzzword of the agenda

  61. Critical must listen for all. Mark Shaw interview covering Agenda 21.

    Remember the smelt issue that Hannity covered? Remember how it didn’t make sense? Well, it will now. Here’s the explanation of the problem.

  62. Sorry,

    I posted only the 1st video of the Mark Shaw Interview on Agenda 21. There are 5 total.

    I won’t post the other 4 so as not to take up CW’s bandwidth.

    When looking for the remaining four be sure to look for director “AwakeningMinds”

  63. Carlyle: Hear! Hear! Thanks for the link.

    Those of us who attended college soon found out what we had to do to get our degree. Like many, I attended college to engage in the art of discussion, to further my knowledge on any given subject and in the process, to develop the ability to not only present my ideas, but substantiate them as well. Many times, you were permitted to engage only when you “followed their rules” of the discussion. Many times, I kept my true ideas to myself…so I could pass the course…except in “Discussion, Skills, and Leadership” class where you were forced to take an opposing view.

    PP needs to keep his hands off the education system and yet, he cannot help himself as that is where he will get the most support and do the most damage.

    It irks me that future generations are being indoctrinated with liberal ideology. Critical Thinking should be taught in the schools IMHO. Our children need to learn to critically discern what they are reading and what they are exposed to learning. Nuff said.

    Peace…Linda

  64. Patriot Dreamer

    “Sen. Akaka Says ‘I’m Not Aware’ of Constitution Giving Congress Authority to Make Individuals Buy Health Insurance”

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/57024

  65. c.n.d.e. ville II

    Patriot Dreamer — re: cnsnews link

    All right!! Thanks! Let’s deal with the REAL issue. This “bill” is bunk.

  66. Patriot Dreamer

    “Sen. Reed: Forcing People to Buy Health Insurance is Constitutionally Justified Because It’s Like Making People ‘Sign Up for the Draft’”

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56971

  67. Linda NY,

    as an educator, you will be interested in the youtube video of audio interview of Michael Shaw on Agenda 21. Shaw speaks directly to how they’ve used the education system to begin acclimating the children to this U.N. agenda. It is a U.N. document that all 4 presidents since 1992 have continued to push.

    Have a listen when you can.

  68. c.n.d.e. ville II

    JustMe —

    We need to start with a clean slate, IMHO. We have to move on and forget them.
    ************
    Yes! Forgotten because they are locked away in their much-deserved jail cell serving their just sentences for their wicked ways.

    The day has come wherein, instead of playing by illegal, unconstitutional, and absurdly imaginary rules, we regain our senses, act upon the “self-evident” truth that power derives from us, the people, and simply remove the rotten players from the game.

    To continue to engage with corrupt, detached, abusive (non)leaders, obviously intent upon imposing their own destructive agendas upon the entire country is literally . . . . . . well, dumb, not to mention expensive, unpleasant, frustrating, counter-productive, self-destructive, and co-dependent to the max.

    What if the millions of callers to representatives, asking for a specific vote on an issue, all also said, “I also vote for you to resign. Please resign, asap.” LOL Would that not be extreme COOL!!!!

  69. Patriot Dreamer:

    Never ceases to amaze me what they use to justify “breaking the law.”

    These people are beyond “sick!” And…they think we are so dumb we will buy into their nonsensical logic. Unfortunately, many are; dumb, that is. People need to not only “know their rights,” but they need to learn how to “exercise” them. With what Just Me has presented to us, I wonder if we will even have the chance to “exercise” them.

    Time is short, and we have much to do to prevent this from happening!

    Thanks for sharing!

    Peace…Linda

  70. Have you seen this? Got this from a Patriot in an e-mail…

    This has been around before, keep it going until action is taken!!!

    Just One State

    This is only one State…………….If this doesn’t open eyes, nothing will!

    []

    From the L. A. Times

    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.

    10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.

    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )

    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .

    We are fools for letting this continue

    HOW CAN YOU HELP ?

    Send copies of this letter to at least two other people. 100 would be even better.

    [] This is only one State……………

    If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!

    *************************************

    LET’S IMPEACH HER NOW BEFORE SHE DOES FURTHER DAMAGE!! WHAT AN IDIOT!!

    IF YOU DON’T AGREE JUST DELETE–IF YOU DO–PASS IT ON!! WHERE DO WE GET THESE MORONS’

    []

    Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

    Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you’re so darn stupid that we’re going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That’s what the Speaker of the House is saying. Read below……………

    Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren’t going to believe this.

    Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true – all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

    This woman is frightening.

    She quotes…’ We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn’t Marx say something like this?), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.’ (I am not rich, are you?)

    When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:

    ‘We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.’

    (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in.) ‘Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it’.

    Send it on to your friends. I just did!! This lady is out of her mind and she is the speaker of the house!


    Gary L Estes
    Estes Aviation LLC
    406 Dogwood Lake Dr
    Vicksburg, Ms 39183
    601-415-2455
    wwwprimoairplanes.com

    The democracy will cease to exist
    when you take away from those who are
    willing to work and give to those who are not.
    Thomas Jefferson

    Ernie J. Carney
    Bit Twiddlers, Inc.

  71. DenisetheMenace

    Rush on just now reports that the CDC is reporting
    more accurate figures of 4000 “swine flu” deaths.

    These deaths are including any related deaths (from pneumonia/bacterial infections)

    The article advises doctors to treat any flu-like symptoms in pregnant women as the H1N1.
    _____________________
    I thought that was how the CDC reports the seasonal flu anyway.

  72. Just Me: I am [interested], and I will [listen]!

    Thanks…IMHO, when we cease to “learn,” we cease to “exist.” [but, that’s just me]

    Peace…Linda

  73. Jerome Corsi has 5 things we can do – and MUST do to remain sovereign.

    snipped from:
    America For Sale

    1. Close down the Federal Reserve

    2. Pull out of NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO

    3. Close down the United Nations, the IMF, and the World Bank

    4. Cut taxes and clost the IRS

    5. Create a gold-backed dollar for international trade.

    As we are learning our participation in the U.N. is a BIG problem. The WTO – World Trade Organization is also a big problem – I didn’t realize this until yesterday – under this organization, “O” will go after the firearms. Who knew?

    Ron Paul has spoke to these solutions for years. I’ve discovered the loss of jobs relates directly to the agreement with all mentioned in #2 above. So…if you hear anyone running for office espousing to create jobs…ask them how. If they don’t address the entities, then it’s a farse.

    According to Corsi, all U.S. based multi-national corporations are free to pursue cheap labor wherever in the world it can be found with these free trade agreements.

  74. Acorn, the mini-series, continues… new videos to be released.

    http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/ACORN_undercover_videos/2009/11/12/285304.html

  75. The Education System IS The Problem.

    In my state the system is soooooo dumbed down it is frightening.

    For our Children’s Sake we have sacrificed and fortunately been able to send them to Private School. They start each day with a Prayer and a Devotional and The Pledge of Alligiance. Their School also has a Required Civics and Government course that must be completed with no less than a “C”.

    Also, when a student misbehaves, they are disciplined severely. Sometimes making an appearance in front of The board.

    So in reality, we’re paying Twice for their education.

  76. I’m glad to see it referred to as “Swine Flu” again.

    If muslims get “Swine Flu”, will they be concidered as “unclean”??

  77. c.n.d.e. ville II

    Linda from N.Y.

    No offense here. I LOVE talking with people for whom words have actual meaning and content. Being honed by another’s perspective and understanding is a blessing.

    In the spirit of your observation, for which I thank you, with big smiles, because I LOVE people who THINK, I point out that I did qualify my “always” with the word “knowledgeable.”

    (Inside, I’m thinkin — stupid days? brain freezes? memory lapses? speech without corresponding thought? Yep. My kind of people. Hurray, hurray, and hallelujah – I am in the right place! Though I really have not seen too much of that in your postings, to be honest. )

    Thanks for the tip. Here’s to the national resurgence of concise speech.

  78. Pelosi certified ownens and obama. Can the two be connected since she has not been known for being truthful?

  79. Video: John Bolton: Obama Afghanistan indecision “like a train wreck”

    Greta interviews John Bolton over Obama and Afghan Troop Decision

  80. Kidmon: I went the same route before I decided to home school my daughter. In my mind, early on, private school was the only way to go. However, it became more and more expensive so I had to opt out and was forced to send my daughter to public school [Big Yuk]. She spent only a month in public school before I had had enough and removed her.

    Quite by accident, I also learned I had a better curriculum [the public school copied it] so I was doubly happy I made the move.

    Not only did I teach Civics, Government, and both American and NY History, but I gave her a “foundation” in all religions as well.

    Forget the double expense…the cost of education for your children cannot be measured IMHO.

    Kudos to You! Linda

  81. Don: Hahahahaha…you funny guy!

  82. Prairie:

    Oh YUK! More ACORNS falling from the tree!

    Oh well…we need to keep the pressure on those wayward people. We don’t want them to get “too big to fail.” Maybe, they already are…Yikes!

    Thanks for sharing!

  83. c.n.d.e. ville II:

    You are very welcome!

    You are so invigorating! You have a unique way of expressing yourself that is so refreshing.

    Thanks for being here…Linda

    BTW…Knowledgeable is so finite, for me. I am still learning…I want to be “Brilliant” some day!
    LOL

  84. Linda,
    We keep shakin’ this tree when we need to chop it down and use it for a bon fire! Timely videos, though, with the Acorn lawsuit.

  85. Prarie,
    That’s for you!,so funny because the chorus fits perfect!Thought the same thing!!(waiting for Barry!)LOL!!!!Watch whole video!

  86. Linda from NY // November 12, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    I wish I had the option of Home Schooling.

    1. My Husband and I both work full-time.
    2. My children would have no part of it! Said they would miss the social side of school. They are in High School.

    You are correct – it is expensive but in my area well worth the Money! The Schools Test Scores are Far Above the State average.

    So we plug on! But there is a Big Problem in Public Education!!!!!!

  87. Prairie: Where’s the buzz saw? When we going?
    I agree…we need to chop down that tree…and soon, before the 2010 Elections!

    Good analogy! Thanks!

    Peace…Linda

    PS How the boys doing? Do you still have snow?

  88. GBAmerica: Hahahaha! Thanks for sharing!

  89. Swine flu = swine flew…. Pelosi on an airplane?

    Can someone explain to me just what “snow” is?? 🙂

    I live in the desert. lol

  90. GBAmerica,
    Thanks for the video- I’ll sure miss my TK. He is the reason my boys all play guitar. Not much in life o isn’t destroying.

  91. AGENDA 21 – Michael Shaw

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Shaw/michael1.htm

    The Biosphere Project I mentioned in an earlier post was an incremental move towards Agenda 21. Google it for yourself. You’ll be surprised.

    “Examples of the piece-by-piece implementation of the Wildlands Project include road closings, dam-busting and water grabbing policies, and the adoption of United Nations Biosphere Reserves and World Heritage Sites—which are systematically being closed to recreational use.”

    snipped from article/link:
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/tabor/050330

    In 1995, Bill Clinton got the UN to declare Yellowstone Park a “World Heritage Site in Danger.” That gave him the “international obligation” to close down a coal mine on private property three miles away — despite the fact that coal had been mined in the area for 150 years before Yellowstone Park was created…”

    And here’s the best part, “The President has the SOLE AUTHORITY to approve these UN designations. Congress has no oversight, and average American citizens have no input. ”

    Statue of Liberty
    Yellowstone National Park
    Monticello (Jefferson’s home)
    Great Smoky Mountains
    Grand Canyon…to name a few

  92. Patriot Dreamer

    U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit denies Phil Berg’s appeal:

    http://www.scribd.com/full/22475054?access_key=key-lgyfxrlezxexwxl05bv

  93. Linda NY and Prairie,
    Your welcome,we need a laugh sometimes.

  94. Maddie: Do you think this may be why there might be a “leak?” Bolton says when people are unhappy, they “leak” stuff, too!

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

    Maybe, pp needs our “sympathy.” What do you think?

    Happy Day…Linda

  95. LM: Thanks for the vid about Greta’s interview with Bolton. Bolton certainly “tells it like it is.”

    It’s nice to see someone is doing some “critical analysis” these days.

    Any polls today? Just asking…

    Peace…Linda

  96. Patriot Dreamer

    accounting tricks:

    “White House Aims to Cut Deficit With TARP Cash”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125799009185344567.html

  97. CW’s MUST READ NOW- Matters Come to an Explosive Head for Everyone

    Since November 9, 2009 I’ve been doing a bit of research on some links I was provided to learn more about Hasan. This lead me over to Don Nicoloff’s site (thanks Just Me) where I read Christopher Story’s take on what really happened at Ft. Hood – the story behind the story. Since the 9th, Christopher has been following the “real” story providing updates everyday. The below link is today’s update and it’s a stunner. Please read this report asap. As well, if you click on the “Breaking Stories” link in the banner scroll down to the “Fort Hood” story you will be absolutely shocked by what this London analyst/reporter/editor is writing and telling the world. Believable or unbelievable, does not matter b/c if it is be prepared and if nots no harm done. We will know soon enough for sure. God Bless everyone and be safe.

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/News/Entries/2009/11/12_MATTERS_COME_TO_AN_EXPLOSIVE_HEAD_FOR_EVERYONEBy_Christopher_Story__FRSA__________%28www.worldreports.org%29.html

  98. Just Me: Geeeez. This reminded me of a proposition on which we had to vote on Election Day this year. NYS wants to chop down some protected Forest area for the “Power Grid.”

    Needless to say, I voted “NO!” They can put their power grid where the sun don’t shine! Oops…sorry! Couldn’t resist!

    Thanks for sharing!

  99. Patriot Dreamer:

    It’s called “Creative Accounting!” What next?

    I’m getting cranky again! And…after that funny video GBAmerica provided for us! Dang!

  100. Patriot Dreamer
  101. Hasan was raised up for this moment, single ,highly ranked officerwho will garner alot of attention compared to a private. This was a planned mission. This man was sent for the mission for one purpose. fear tatics! He had no family to come home to just his mission. You can tell alot about a man the first 5 minutes walking in his house.

  102. Linda NY,

    amazing, huh? Glad you voted no, even if you didn’t have the full story of exactly what it was for.

    Shaw tells us BOTH parties support Agenda 21.

    I found this short, concise video by him for those that don’t want to listen to the audio interview.

    BTW his website is http://www.freedomadvocates.org

  103. d2i,

    I can’t wait to see what you’ve discovered. Going to have a look/see now. Great sleuthing.

  104. H1N1 borders closing ?

    Martial law?

    anyone care to comment?

  105. OMG! If any of these reports are true take a gander at this bombshell paragraph

    “Even if the foregoing suggestions are not 100% bullseye, or are incomplete or even nowhere near accurate at this stage, what we can certainly state without fear of contradiction is that the Obama birth certificate issue is indeed a primary instrument that is now, finally, being pro-activated and leveraged to determine the outcome of the lethal international struggle over control of the stolen, diverted, exploited, and otherwise misappropriated Settlement payments by the Bush-Clinton (CIA-DVD) Crime Syndicate associated with the Chicago mafia, with criminal Chinese connections that have been ‘working with’ the Bush-DVD-CIA criminal elements but which are totally opposed by the official and Taiwanese Chinese parties in this unfettered, ruthless maelstrom of evil.”

    http://www.worldreports.org/news/227_obama_lies_again_as_the_settlements_money_is_stolen

  106. These reports are blowing me away. True or not, they read like a crime novel, and they certainly explain *crickets* from both sides of the aisle and the disinformation from mainstream media we’ve all been yelling about for so long.

    Rupert Murdoch is one of the elite and can only posit the theory that he’s removed himself from the cabal which is why Beck’s star keeps rising. And who knows, Dobbs may indeed be joining the Fox Family. He’s a truther too which would be appealing to Murdoch. Who knows maybe he’s the guy who is going to lead us out of this mess. God willing.

  107. For an extensive look at election fraud go here:

    http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

    Scroll down a bit, look on the right for links to chapters of their book. It’s worth your time and energy to explore this site.

  108. d2i,
    My head is spinning. I can’t find the Ft. Hood story under “Breaking” Could you summarize or provide a direct link? Thanks.

  109. Jacqlyn Smith,
    regarding Mrs. Zero and her 22 handmaidens:

    MEchelle Antionette

  110. Prairie,

    I can’t find it either. It’s hard to read that site the way the type is reversed out of black. It vibrates.

    Help…d2i

  111. d2i,

    I don’t know this website or the guy’s name.

  112. Patriot Dreamer

    “Poll: [Senator Chris] Dodd’s approval rating drops again”

    http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/11/12/news/doc4afc624086476392703908.txt

  113. Patriot Dreamer

    “Climate change ‘sceptic’ Ian Plimer argues CO2 is not causing global warming”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6553592/Climate-change-sceptic-Ian-Plimer-argues-CO2-is-not-causing-global-warming.html

  114. Why is it no Judges will uphold their oaths? What SCUM !!!!

  115. Patriot Dreamer

    “NEWLY REVEALED DOCUMENTS Conradict NEA Chairman Landesman [that Yosi Sergeant acted unilaterally]”

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/11/12/newly-released-emails-appear-to-contradict-nea-chair-landesmans-statement/

  116. Witnesses: Obama birth lawyer told us to lie

    The affidavits have not been been made public by Carter. However, in a Nov. 9 motion that criticized Carter’s dismissal of the case, Taitz identifies Larry Sinclair and Lucas Smith as the witnesses she believes filed affidavits saying that she asked them to lie. She denies the accusations and told me she thinks Sinclair and Smith filed the affidavits in response to pressure put on them.

    http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2009/11/11/witnesses-obama-birth-lawyer-told-us-to-lie/25035/

  117. Orly Taitz has FILED the “Declaration” which she committed PERJURY in even after being made aware of her false statements.

    The below is the FILED affidavit and she will almost without doubt face criminal perjury charges now. Orly Taitz posted a revised Declaration and still filed the Perjured Declaration with the Court. Taitz files a “perjured” declaration at the same time she filed a copy of my Affidavit to the Chicago Police that will prove she has committed PERJURY in her declaration.

    Case 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Document 90-2 Filed 11/09/2009 Page 3 of 4

    11. I have asked Larry Sinclair to authenticate an affidavit he submitted to the Chicago police regarding the homicide of Mr. Donald Young. In fact, the statements to which Mr. Sinclair would testify are already a matter of public record.

    a. In the affidavit submitted to the Chicago Police and in his book, recently published, Mr. Sinclair stated that Mr. Donald Young contacted him repeatedly and told Mr. Sinclair that he had a lengthy homosexual relationship with Mr. Obama.

    b. The affidavit further said that Mr. Young was found dead, shot in the back of his head at the onset of the Democratic primaries for 2008 presidential election.

    Case 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Document 90-2 Filed 11/09/2009 Page 2 of 4

    3
    Declaration of Orly Taitz

    c. Any allegation that I asked Mr. Sinclair to perjure himself is not only completely defamatory, but lacks any sense or reason, as Mr. Sinclair’s affidavit regarding Mr. Young’s homicide can be found filed with the Chicago police department and in his book, that can be purchased on the Internet.”

    http://larrysinclair.org/LarrysForum/topic/orly-taitz-files-edited-declaration-after-it-was-noted-she-committed-perjury

  118. Bloomberg shakes hands with terrorist’s associate

    NEW YORK (AP) – New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says he would not have shaken the hand of a character witness for a convicted terrorist if he had known about his history.
    Brooklyn imam Siraj Wahhaj (sur-AWJ’ wah’-HAHJ) was among clergy members invited to meet the mayor Wednesday.

    Wahhaj was a witness for Omar Abdel-Rahman (AHB’-del RAKH’-men), who was convicted in 1995 of plotting to blow up city landmarks. Wahhaj was never charged in the case.

    Bloomberg says he will in general continue to reach out to every group as mayor. He says he believes he was doing that while meeting with Wahhaj, the leader of a large mosque.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BU6LLO1&show_article=1

  119. Just Me:

    Thanks for the vid. I have passed on this information to a dear friend with whom I have been arguing to pay attention. He doesn’t buy any of it, and refuses to acknowledge it even “might” be in the process of happening. *Sigh*

    I keep trying, though…to reach him and others.

    Peace…Linda

    PS Thanks for the additional link to the website. You are a wealth of information…please keep it coming…

  120. Patriot Dreamer

    SueK, here’s one for you:

    “Harmless Powder on NJ Transit Train
    Train Evacuated In Rahway”

    turns out to be spilled Ultra Slim Fast mix.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/091112-Suspicious-Powder-on-NJ-Transit-Train

  121. d2i.
    I read the “News” article and really couldn’t understand over 60% of it/ It made me nervous reading it though. Is there any way to verify the claims made?

  122. Greg Goss: Personal preference…that’s okay.

    Trends, for me, show a pattern…in a strange way, that is comforting to me.

    Happy Day…Linda

    PS How’s the family reunion going?

  123. Patriot Dreamer:

    Dodd’s in trouble? I’m shocked! NOT…couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy!

    Think he could be “recalled?” I cannot wait until November 2010!

    Thanks for the link…

  124. “Because there is no case or controversy, we will affirm the District Court’s order dismissing Berg’s action.”

    http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/084340p.pdf

  125. Linda NY

    welcome…I don’t know how you could deny any of this. It’s all out there, as we are finding out. Many of these folks, as you can see, have been writing about this for a number of years.

    I’m guessing he’s where a lot of people are…their brain just doesn’t want to go there. We’ve been “had” incrementally – as admitted by Ron Paul – and that’s why we’re shocked.

    Besides, who really reads about the goings on about WTO, GATT, etc…Well, the folks that were writing about it years back. They had to have been pulling their hair out trying to get people’s attention. Now, I think we’re being hit fast and furious by the gov, so we’re more open to it.

    Google some of this stuff. We’ve been sold down the river by BOTH parties. It is an illusion that we have 2 parties and consequently a choice. WE MUST HAVE A 3rd party to defeat these agendas, IMHO. I don’t see any way around it.

    Be patient – he’ll come around.

  126. @ David A:

    Very interesting video.

    The federal government is not our friend. In fact, it is our most dire enemy. It is constantly conspiring against the citizenry.

    Is it possible that what she is saying is truth? I think so, but I don’t know for a fact.

    I think the best we can do is prepare for the possibility that life as we know it can change overnight.

    There are sinister forces at work. Whatever it is they want to achieve, I suggest that we make it as difficult as possible.

  127. Late Update: Calling from Illinois where she is attending the Continental Congress 2009, Taitz told TPMmuckraker the affidavit contains nothing but “slanderous, defamatory accusations from third parties.” She said she had “no clue” about the Los Angeles near-accident issue, and “I never asked anyone to lie.”

    Taitz also told us she is stunned the judge referenced the affidavits in his order without first giving her a chance to respond.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/affidavit_in_birther_suit_contains_extraordinary_c.php?ref=mp

  128. Linda,

    Hope you got my post Nov. 11, 5:18pm.

  129. Danny // November 12, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    “Because there is no case or controversy, we will affirm the District Court’s order dismissing Berg’s action.”
    _______________

    I didn’t read the entire file, but from what I did read, once again American Citizens do NOT have standing in Federal Courts.

    Am I correct in that assumption?

  130. d2i,

    Thanks for your post. At face value, it can be alarming. However, taken from a different stance one could glean valuable info. There are many “kernels” there that we have already witnessed, but unfortnately the info that we have witnessed is still by inference, not direct. So keep your eye on any further developments.

  131. Patriot Dreamer // November 12, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Hi PD,

    Oh, yeah!

    Gotta respond, even if it is Slim Fast. Or Equal. Or corn starch….

    Thanks…brought me back to the days!

  132. Prairie and JM – the story behind the story at Ft Hood – the link is below. sorry i didn’t respond sooner, i’ve been reading other reports.

    THE FORT HOOD SHOOTINGS: THE REAL STORY
    The shootings were staged in order to cover up what was really happening behind the scenes which was as follows:

    (1): George H. W. D. V. D. Bush, the head of THE BOX GANG working with the Clintons, had stored some or all of the stolen/diverted 1933 dollar currency Chinese currency boxes referenced in our reports dated 4th and 5th November 2009 at Fort Hood. These boxes form part of the Settlement negotiated with the Chinese parties, who were immediately double-crossed by the Americans.

    (2): We do not know at the time of posting whether George Bush Sr. had flown in to Fort Hood from Germany, but as this base is located close to Crawford and other Bush Crime Family locations, we believe this to be HIGHLY PROBABLE.

    (3): Whether Bush Sr. flew into Fort Hood to be joined with the stolen/diverted Chinese-sourced currency boxes, or was accompanying stolen boxes on the plane, is not strictly material, because what we DO KNOW is as follows:

    (4): An operation was mounted at Fort Hood to CONFISCATE THE STOLEN CHINESE CURRENCY BOXES FROM BUSH SR., which achieved its objective. The currency boxes, forming part of the Settlement that Adolf Schickelbusch sabotaged with the duplicitous assistance of his agent, Chancellor Angela Merkel [see preceding reports], were retrieved.

    (5): It is likely that the shoot-out which occurred for public consumption was a diversionary operation masking a parallel shoot-out involving Bush bodyguards and US military, although we cannot confirm this. Certainly, the ‘mainstream’ media, as usual, is running the wrong story.

    (6): The deployment of 500+ heavily armed troops, and the fact that military helicopters were called in, implies a sizeable operation, which would be make little sense in the context of a shooting such as is described in the media. That does not diminish the nastiness and tragedy of the loss of life as reported: but when this operation was planned, loss of life was factored into the equation.

    • It’s called cynically: COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

    [Do they CARE that at least seven personnel lost their lives and over 30 were injured in a parallel cover-up operation? That’s like asking whether the sacrifice of over 100 special US operatives who spearheaded the Bush-directed seizure of the Central Bank of Iraq in Baghdad in 2003, all of whom were massacred immediately afterwards so that none of them would survive to report for posterity what actually happened, was an accident. That operation went badly wrong, and was exposed, too: reliable Iraqi eyewitnesses supplied the necessary reports and confirmation].

    It is impossible at this juncture to be sure whether the gunfire was part of the main operation, i.e., the whole operation was synchronised, or whether two separate operations were run in parallel. But that is hardly material, given the momentous details and substance of this report.

    (7): Separately, we understand that George Bush Sr.’s assets in the Caribbean – ‘his’ money – was seized at the same time, or at least at some stage on 5th November 2009.

    (8): Adolf Schickelbusch has also been informed that ‘you are not going to get a penny. You will be paid NOTHING’. [Assuming, that is, that he’s still vertical. But that’s all we know right now].

    This reflects the fact identified earlier, namely that these Germans ALWAYS go too far. Bush Sr. WENT TOO FAR by sabotaging EVEN the carefully nuanced arrangements worked out with the Chinese authorities and parties, and with the other sovereign powers, including the British Monarchical Power. He thought he could carry on carrying on, blind to the fact that IT’S OVER.

    • As a consequence, HE HAS LOST EVERYTHING. HE HAS BEEN CLEANED OUT.

    NOW. As indicated, we cannot yet confirm that GEORGE BUSH HIMSELF flew into Fort Hood. If he did, it stands to reason, given the above FACTS, which have themselves been CONFIRMED, that George H. W. Bush would have been arrested OR HORIZONTALISED.

    We may yet learn that this took place.

    All we can do at this stage is to remind you of the phrase ‘Not YET’ in the preceding report.

    Was Bush 43 also arrested, horizontalised or all of the above during this showdown?

    WE HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT WHEN CERTAIN STRUCTURES WERE MADE AWARE THAT WE HAD WORKED THIS OUT, THERE WAS A STUNNED SILENCE.

    • THE STRUCTURES CONCERNED WERE ‘SHOCKED TO HEAR IT FROM US’, WE WERE TOLD.

    OPERATION PROBABLY ORDERED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    Who ordered this operation?

    Manifestly, it would have been ordered by the President of the United States, Barack Obama, who, we have repeatedly been told, has been anxious to complete the Settlements and was known to be fretting under the weight of the general contempt in which he was being held by all ‘in the know’, concerning his apparent inability to get his ARROGANT inferiors to carry out his instructions.

    If we take this charitable view, Mr Obama has been systematically sabotaged by the likes of Rahm Emanuel, Lawrence Summers, Timothy Geithner, Mrs Hillary Clinton, and Dr Ben Bernanke.

    If this assessment is correct, we would anticipate some high-level dismissals or resignations from the US Government soon, if it turns out that this DECISIVE ACTION has indeed broken the impasse and destabilised the opposition beyond any likelihood of recovery. We shall (soon) see.

    More to the point, the President had been placed in an impossible position by the Nazi Fifth Column within the US Intelligence Power owing allegiance to the Box Gang, not least given the horrendous implications for national security arising from the sabotage operation mounted by Bush Sr. and his lackey, Chancellor Frau(d) Merkel. Was she arrested, as ordered by the World Court? Don’t know yet. One would expect the German police to have snubbed the World Court.

    ….

    http://web.mac.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/News/Entries/2009/11/5_FORT_HOOD%3A_RECOVERY_OF_THE_CHINESE_CURRENCY_BOXESBy_Christopher_Story__FRSA__________%28www.worldreports.org%29.html

  133. Does anyone rememeber Lt. General Cone at Fort Hood saying how the shooter was killed?
    Below is a video of him speaking and confirming as a fact that the shooter was dead.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=9009231

    The reason I bring this up is because it reminds me of 911 when the BBC reported that WTC building 7 had collapsed. The truth however was that building 7 didn’t collapse until 23 minutes after the BBC reported it as having collapsed. In the following video you can see building 7 still standing behind the BBC reporter who said it collapsed.

    It seems to me that the BBC had a pre-written script that they were reporting from concerning the collapse of building 7. The problem was they jumped the gun and read from the script to soon.

    I think the same type of thing happened with General Cone. He was speaking from a pre-written script, where in the script Major Hassan was suppose to be killed. The problem was that Hassan didn’t die like he was suppose to and the script wasn’t changed before it got to the General.

  134. DenisetheMenace

    d2i
    OMG, OMG, OMG

    Today has been a mind blowing day on this site.

    I need to go away and process for awhile.

    First a question, how will we know when this is real?

  135. Patriot Dreamer

    SueK // November 12, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    SueK, how often did your lab get talcum powder? Just curious!

  136. DenisetheMenace

    To answer my own question (really it was like thinking out loud).

    I guess when people start resigning, and when the Bush family goes away (or just disappears). I read awhile back that Bush Sr. had some land in central america and GW bought some too. The country did not have extradition laws favorable to the US.

    So, is Obama the bad guy in this? It did not sound like it. Is this settlement payment to China a good thing?

  137. d2i,
    Thank you. Printing out right now so I can study it.

  138. d2i,

    I must be a little dense today. I’m having a hard time figuring out what this really means. Can this be vetted?

    Did you mention some newspaper in London printed this story?

  139. DenisetheMenace,

    so, you understand this? Can you paraphrase for us?

    I heard the same thing to about the criminals land purchase. I think Cheney’s escape is in Dubai.

  140. THE INCESTUOUSNESS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TOTALLY SCREWING US. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE ON CAPITOL(capital) HILL

  141. Linda from NY

    Happy Day…Linda

    PS How’s the family reunion going?

    The reunion went very well. Unfortunately I am here in NH and they are on the leftcoast. But with the internet we can get pictures and vids within minutes and it has been great. I will get out there probably for x-mas. Thanx for asking.

  142. For those interested,

    Here’s a podcast of today’s interview with G. Edward Griffin, author of Creature from Jekeyll Island. He recently journeyed back there with Bob Schultz – Continental Congress.

    Podcast #1

    [audio src="http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/alex/1112093.mp3" /]

    and continues in #2:

    [audio src="http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/alex/1112094.mp3" /]

  143. Ms Helga,

    well said!

  144. Don – your question is the best of questions and my answer is I don’t know.

    What I have learned over the last several days are the following facts which I’ve since confirmed with those in the know in the financial arena:

    – there is and has been a huge International Ponzi scheme in place for decades. We citizens have seen glimpses of this scheme over the decades via recessions, housing markets, oil markets etc.

    – apparently the US signed agreements w/China and the Queen known as “settlements” to secure the US debt. Repayment to China and the Queen have been delayed again and again for sometime. I want to say at least two years due to the “lock box” saga which unfolded in London in 2007.

    – Christopher Story posits the theory that these settlement payments have been re directed into accounts, off shore and on, by the “Box Gang” aka Bushies and Clintons who have used these settlement dollars to prop up their International Ponzi scheme. Bernie Madoff’s scheme is related as well as several others we’ve learned about in recent months.

    – Christopher Story posits the theory that what actually took place at Ft. Hood on 9 November was either a synchronized or parallel psy op operation. I’ve only recently begun to learn more about MK Ultra which is a deep background “mind control” group developed by the Nazi’s and established as an operation w/i the CIA once it was formalized.

    – Christopher Story posits the theory that Hasan was trained in MK Ultra and was therefore used as a patsy to serve as the cover up to the real operation which was the Chinese/Monarch securing the billions in securities and gold at Ft. Hood.

    – Bush Sr. caught wind of this operation and may have flown into Ft Hood from Germany to stop the transfer of gold and securities from happening which is when the psy op operation was activated so as to give cover to the “settlement” transfer. It is speculated that their was a shootout on the tarmac and men died and were wounded. Though it is only speculation, Story believes this is why the story kept changing – gunman killed to gunman alive.

    – It appears the M16 has the goods on Obama but to what extent, your guess is as good as mine.

    What I will tell you is that Christopher Story has been writing about this since 2002. I only recently started reading his materials; however, the man is connected, well studied and by all appearances seems as determined as all of us to seek out and learn the truth and then report it.

    I hope this helps, Don.

  145. Glen beck is ripping a new one,
    great anology,
    alcoholic government

  146. Sunshine and lollipops, and advent calanders

  147. d2i,

    things that make you go hmmmmmmmm!

    Thanks for the breakdown. Much easier to undersand.

  148. @jbjd:

    I must confess that I do not know what to make of what you have posted with regard to the matter of Fort Hood. My first reaction is to say that it sounds absolutely insane, but then I remember that the federal government of the usa is involved, and that means there is no telling what sinister lies or schemes are in play.

    If what you have posted is in fact the case, and their was indeed a psy ops to divert from some other event, then all I can say is Jesus Christ, what is going on in my country!!??

  149. Pardon me…

    My above post should be directed to d2i.

    My apologies.

  150. Just Me, Prairie, Venice and Dennis the Menace –
    Here goes,

    Story does provide citations t/o his stories. What you read today is a snippet of a much larger body of work. The snippet you did read is honestly a culmination of seven or so years of work. So if you’re following his work you’ll easily be able to connect the dots to make sense of where he is coming from. I say this b/c all I’ve been doing for days now is reading from the beginning his body of work and today’s post is backed up by former citations and his expertise in investigating the criminal world.

    That said, the next obvious question would be, why hasn’t his site been shut down? First, it’s not a blog. It’s an investigative news source and Christopher happens to be writing about a topic that we all have bits and pieces of information,
    whereas he’s been investigating for seven years.

    I’ll be candid, I did not trust the source at first. I read Don’s Three Stooges genealogy series back in the late summer of 2008. I have to tell you, they blew me away, but at the same time thought to myself “no way can this be true”. I picked the posts back up a year later and re read them and had a totally different take b/c now I’d studied the eligibility issue, constitutional issues, etc and had a healthier understanding of the subject at hand.

    So, I guess what I am saying is that his work makes perfect sense to me now, but that’s only b/c I’ve developed a healthy frame of reference by which to take it all in and understand it.

    Listen, most of us didn’t no diddly at the beginning of last year’s primary. We certainly would have never uttered the words “socialism” “nazism” “fascism” a year ago. Hell, I had to re learn all of these terms b/c it was in HS that I was last exposed to them and that was 30 years ago.

    So today, my frame of reference for financial, political, policy and so much more has expanded four, hell five fold as I’m sure yours has.

    Therefore, what makes Christopher’s work any less or more effective or meaningful than CW’s or drkates or jbjd’s or rightsideoflife, etc…? All of us are seeking the truth in one way or another and I happen to believe that Christopher’s work is compelling, studied and responsible. I know I’m not seeing anyone else pulling these pieces of the puzzle together and I’ve got to tell you that it’s remained in my crawl why the R’s are as duplicitous as the D’s in this mess. Christopher has surely told me why and I have come to respect and trust his work.

    Dennis the Menace – my answer is to bookmark the link I gave today and refresh it often. Tomorrow, make sure you refresh the overall “Breaking Story” page. Another author has been posting other topics which I’ve scanned, but like you, I’m waiting on an update and soon.

    Time will tell.

  151. DenisetheMenace

    Obama is at Elmendorf AFB Alaska now and is again, talking. Giving shout outs.

  152. Pay attention especially towards the end of video !The post above.

  153. And taking up Glenn Becks time. I would much reather watch Glenn.

  154. DenisetheMenace

    d2i,
    Thanks, I’ve bookmarked and will keep watch.

  155. my bad…didn’t edit before I posted

    I said “That said, the next obvious question would be, why hasn’t his site been shut down? First, it’s not a blog. It’s an investigative news source and Christopher happens to be writing about a topic that we all have bits and pieces of information,
    whereas he’s been investigating for seven years. ”

    Long day, what I was going to write was this – apparently both Don’s and Christopher’s sites have been hacked into etc. Apparently, the two of them have secured a host in some foreign country which is described in the bottom part off the report. Therefore, the typical pains in the arses who sabotage sites can’t touch either one of these two sites w/o some serious IT experience behind them.

    For what it’s worth.

  156. venice:

    I did receive your reply and I thought I had written back to you but alas, I cannot find my reply to your reply…lol.

    At any rate, I am glad you enjoyed the link. It was the least I could do to include you in our Veteran’s Day celebration.

    Happy Night…Linda

  157. Danny // November 12, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Orly Taitz has FILED the “Declaration” which she committed PERJURY in even after being made aware of her false statements.

    The below is the FILED affidavit and she will almost without doubt face criminal perjury charges now. Orly Taitz posted a revised Declaration and still filed the Perjured Declaration with the Court. Taitz files a “perjured” declaration at the same time she filed a copy of my Affidavit to the Chicago Police that will prove she has committed PERJURY in her declaration********************

    ******************************************

    Danny….We shall find out soon enough who is lying……Larry and Lucas did not have to get involved in the case….they did so on their own admission and Dr. Taitz has their sworn affidavits…..she only needs to show the court what they initially singed and agreed to….everything else is he said she said…..that will not hold up in court……my bet is Larry and Lucas were trying to extort money in exchange for testimony and when they did not get what they wanted….the WORM turned and I wouldn’t doubt it was the two of them who have teamed up to bring Dr. Taitz down for some unknown reason!! Dr. Taitz has the support of a great American in Dr. Keyes…..I will take his word over those two liars any day!!!

  158. Buraq 08 – I don’t know what the hell is going on in our country, but my instincts tell me it’s not good.

    Things don’t appear to be the way they should be. It’s all out of kilter and has been, at least for me, for several years now.

    It’s like I said above, I believe there is strength to Christopher Story’s reports b/c I’ve been reading and reading the background and wrapping my brain around ideas that would have been prepostorous of me to believe two years ago, but today, well today is an entirely different story. Nothing surprises me anymore.

    What I used to think up was is now down. What I used to think black was is now white. I don’t know. My intellectual world has, I guess, opened up to such possibilities.

    Scary, scary stuff.

  159. #

    Don // November 12, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    d2i.
    I read the “News” article and really couldn’t understand over 60% of it/ It made me nervous reading it though. Is there any way to verify the claims made?
    *******************************************

    My husband believes it is nonsense…..you don’t know this person and there is NO proof what is written here is true!! It is like the truthers of 9/12….probably who started this stuff!!

  160. anny // November 12, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Late Update: Calling from Illinois where she is attending the Continental Congress 2009, Taitz told TPMmuckraker the affidavit contains nothing but “slanderous, defamatory accusations from third parties.” She said she had “no clue” about the Los Angeles near-accident issue, and “I never asked anyone to lie.”

    Taitz also told us she is stunned the judge referenced the affidavits in his order without first giving her a chance to respond.
    ********************************************

    Danny….You appear to be n OBOT…..go spread your BS somewhere else…..the fact that you are writing all negatives against people trying to prove the FRAUD is illegitimate is reason enough to believe you are on the side of the EVIL ONE!!!

  161. JS – I sincerely hope your husband is right. On this matter I am more than happy to be proven wrong.

  162. d2i,

    Part of the difficulty here I believe is that it is still not clear what transpired at Fort Hood from the 1st link you provide. Leaving aside the psy ops or false flag operation, the real operation that took place is as follows (please confirm my understanding).

    1. Bush- Clinton split = Repubs-Dems split.

    2.CIA no longer has a direct allegiance.

    3. The EU is also split, specifically Germany vs. Britain.

    4. Chinese/British backed by World Court on November 11, 2009 to execute their lien on the US. Treasury for 10,000 tonnes of gold and currency boxes.

    5. Because Obama has dual allegiance to Repubs/Dems, Emanuel, Clinton, Geithner, Summers and Bernanke they sabotage Obama by preparing an operation to confiscate stolen Chinese currency/gold.

    6. The operation succeeded. The shootings at Fort Hood was a tragic coverup.

    Is this about right d2i?

    2.

  163. JS,

    when you speak of “truthers of 9/11” you should know you are including many of the victims and victim’s family members. It isn’t just a bunch of crazy people that seek the truth.

    If you haven’t taken the time to read the peer reviewed scientific reports about the thermite found in the dust, which is NASA grade explosive materials, you may want to.

    The “truthers” are no different than the “birthers” seeking the truth. They are simply calling for a new investigation – an independent one. What’s so crazy or wrong about that?

  164. venice – your summary is accurate. yes.

  165. Just Me – well said. I never even knew there was a 9/11 truther movement until last year, and my feeling is folks should always pursue their own truth no matter the road blocks.

    Like I said, we’ve all been asking the question about who owns Obama and we collectively accepted Soros as one of this key backers.

    But there has had to have been some collusion on the Republican side of the aisle and no one has dared to venture there accept for Christopher Story. His work is the only work that I’ve seen even posit a theory why there are *crickets* from the right.

  166. JustMe,

    Where is the direct link that definitively associates the thermite with NASA ?

    And why NASA ?

  167. d2i,

    O.K. so once again the great leader can’t manage to get anything done.

  168. d2i,

    I’m really trying to understand all this, and I know you are trying to explain it. I appreciate your candidness. I feel the same way.

    I was laughing so hard reading “didn’t no diddly” – haven’t heard that expression in a long time. Reminded me of a bumper sticker I saw once…”I know Jack S*it”

    I’ll hang in there with you on this as you continue to search…

  169. Richard,

    google is your best friend.

  170. According to Christopher Story, yes.

    Did you know that there is a Bush location in Elkhart, Indiana? It certainly explains why 0 has visited there five times since the primary.

    And remember, it was under Bush’s administration that the break in occurred at State regarding the passports. Why haven’t we ever seen any investigation or report on that case? hhhhmmmmm

    I never trusted 43 b/c he came out of no where just like Clinton and Obama. The pattern is the same. And when we invaded Iraq I had serious concerns why we were really sending our treasure over there. Still do.

  171. Thanks, Just Me.

    I’ve never heard a peep from my Republican AG about my election fraud complaint. I even contacted Cantor, who is my Congressman, and have never heard a peep. Now why would that be? jbjd’s complaint is solid. Why wouldn’t they have at a minimum contacted me to say thanks but no thanks. Remember, I sent the Virginia complaint in on Sunday, September 20. Things that make one go hhhhmmmmm

  172. d2i,,

    The same reason they won’t go anywhere near the eligibility issue. If you don’t respond, it doesn’t come alive.

    Ask Larry Sinclair, not one sound. The silence is deafening.

  173. I’m curious d2i,

    You think this operation at Fort Hood was ordered by Soros?

  174. @d2i:

    I was speaking with my mom last night about much of what is going on in the world (not including what was posted here today), and her response to me was,”We are in Wonderland, we have gone down the rabbit hole, everything is upside down and backwards.”

  175. d2i,
    I just finished reading the material. Documented the entire way through. Timelines all relavent. He reaches the same conclusion on the Afghanistan war as Lame Cherry (drugs). Definately will follow his reports. Thank you for your research- you should have included the warning: The world will never look the same.

  176. venice // November 12, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    d2i,

    Part of the difficulty here I believe is that it is still not clear what transpired at Fort Hood from the 1st link you provide. Leaving aside the psy ops or false flag operation, the real operation that took place is as follows (please confirm my understanding).
    ******************************************

    A friend sent me the statements from an eye witness who saw the policewoman shot by the terrorist and he reports it the same way the army is reporting it! It seems people are already trying to make this into some kind of conspiracy when in reality it is simply and act of terrorism on our own soil with a Muslim terrorist performing the insane acts!!

  177. JustMe // November 12, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Richard,

    google is your best friend
    _____________

    I think Google is Barry’s best friend.

    Your the expert on the grand theory, that our United States Intelligence communities are some how involved in an inside job, killing innocent American citizens for some political conspiracy, i thought you might want to substantiate your claims specifically.

  178. #

    JustMe // November 12, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    JS,

    when you speak of “truthers of 9/11″ you should know you are including many of the victims and victim’s family members. It isn’t just a bunch of crazy people that seek the truth.

    If you haven’t taken the time to read the peer reviewed scientific reports about the thermite found in the dust, which is NASA grade explosive materials, you may want to.

    The “truthers” are no different than the “birthers” seeking the truth. They are simply calling for a new investigation – an independent one. What’s so crazy or wrong about that?
    ******************************************

    Yes I have….thank you and I know victim’s families who don’t buy into this nonsense either….more of them don’t…..also it is not the same thing to be a “truther” as a “birther”….we have eye witness accounts of what happened on 9/11 and they don’t jive with the “truther” accusations!! ” Birthers” have yet to hear from anyone who can verify the FRAUD was born in Hawaii…..and we have not seen a legal document that says he was…..two totally different terms!!!

  179. Man, I was having a pretty good day until I read all of these new findings.

    Now I’m just all buggered out!

    Man thats all I can say right now! Very Deep!

  180. Jacqlyn,

    I am not taking sides on your comment about birthers or truthers, bc in all honesty I’m not informed enough to take a firm stand.

    But I’d like you to consider something. Eye witness is a powerful source of information, good information, but it is not necessarily complete.

    Think of primitive societies, who watched the moon, the sun, the stars. They could only verify what they saw, and ones eyes don’t lie, but what the mind can do with that might be something else.

    The flat earth is the same thing. If I looked at the earth today, and did not know of geography, I would swear that it could not be globe. The important thing is to keep an open mind to all information. You never know when you will need it. Thanks for listening (or rather reading).

  181. #

    Buraq ’08 // November 12, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    @jbjd:

    I must confess that I do not know what to make of what you have posted with regard to the matter of Fort Hood. My first reaction is to say that it sounds absolutely insane, but then I remember that the federal government of the usa is involved, and that means there is no telling what sinister lies or schemes are in play.

    If what you have posted is in fact the case, and their was indeed a psy ops to divert from some other event, then all I can say is Jesus Christ, what is going on in my country!!??

    What are you talking about? I never said anything about Ft. Hood, on any blog! And, I never wrote the words “psy ops,” either. Please, I have a hard enough time educating people to believe in the truth, let alone engage in speculation about the latest conspiracy theory!

  182. #

    venice // November 12, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    Jacqlyn,

    I am not taking sides on your comment about birthers or truthers, bc in all honesty I’m not informed enough to take a firm stand.

    But I’d like you to consider something. Eye witness is a powerful source of information, good information, but it is not necessarily complete.

    Think of primitive societies, who watched the moon, the sun, the stars. They could only verify what they saw, and ones eyes don’t lie, but what the mind can do with that might be something else.

    The flat earth is the same thing. If I looked at the earth today, and did not know of geography, I would swear that it could not be globe. The important thing is to keep an open mind to all information. You never know when you will need it. Thanks for listening (or rather reading).
    ******************************************

    Yes I understand that you can’t go completely on eye witness but much of the other evidence doesn’t jive either…..if you believe there is a conspiracy and the government is killing innocent Americans then that is your right to believe that…..I for one don’t buy this nonsense and my beliefs are not just based on the eye witness stuff….I have read extensively on this subject and the evidence just isn’t there….and there has been lots of people trying to prove the “truther” theory to no avail!

  183. Americans have been so programed to think of the conspiracy theory first instead of using “common sense” and seeing the reality that Muslim radical extremist do not like our way of life and would like to wipe this country off the face of the earth….that idea I do believe….and there is plenty of proof that my belief is not a conspiracy theory either…..note the recent deaths of our military at Ft. Hood!!!

  184. @ jbjd:

    My post was accidentally misdirected to you. It was meant for d2i.

    Again, I’m sorry.

  185. Jacqlyn,

    Exactly, no one ultimately has the corner on truth.

  186. DenisetheMenace // November 12, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    WHEW! Thanks for the heads up, that could of been a disaster! ;0)!

  187. JS,

    9/11 PANEL DISTRUSTED PENTAGON TESTIMONY – and considered a criminal probe

    Snipped from:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A member of the 9/11 commission said Wednesday that panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon’s inspector general.

    “The panel even considered taking the matter to the Justice Department for a possible criminal probe, commission member Tim Roemer said.”

    For me if 6 of the 10 commissioners believe the “Official 9/11 Story is Fraudulent” that’s a pretty compelling reason for a new investigation.

  188. Carlyle // November 12, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    A poster a couple of threads previous put forward that Islam is not a religion, but a cult. I know they were trying to “help”, but I say this is incorrect and a very dangerous idea.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I hope it wasn’t my line that confused you………murder in the name of religion is not religion; it is a cult.

  189. Venus, et al

    This site may be of interest. It lists the names and personal statements of a number of senior military, intelligence and government officials that doubt the official story.

    http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

  190. JustMe,

    I kind of like Venus too. Cute!

  191. Patriot Dreamer // November 12, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “Sen. Akaka Says ‘I’m Not Aware’ of Constitution Giving Congress Authority to Make Individuals Buy Health Insurance”

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/57024
    In an analysis published this July, the CBO said that an attempt to justify a mandate that people buy health insurance by using the Commerce Clause—which gives Congress the power to regulate commerce “among the several states”—raises a “novel issue.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What’s next???? Subscribe to cable or get fined??
    No milk in the fridge, get fined??
    What, McDonald’s twice in one week, get fined??

  192. “Sen. Reed: Forcing People to Buy Health Insurance is Constitutionally Justified Because It’s Like Making People ‘Sign Up for the Draft’”

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56971
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Well, I didn’t sign for the draft…….apples and oranges this is not!!
    I also must have auto insurance, but I don’t have to if I don’t have a car or drive……..Mr Reed is comparing apples to forests!

  193. Pelosi:
    We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.’

    Translation: You surely don’t expect Californians to support these illegal Mexicans who are here only to increase the dem voting base, do you?? I want other states to pay for them as our state is bankrupt.

  194. **** New Post ****

  195. Richard,

    I have never professed to be an expert on “the grand theory” (your words).

    There is plenty of information available to question the theory put forth in the official report. You can Google it. That’s what I do.

    Insofar as the nano thermite goes this is not new news. NASA grade – meaning government/military grade thermite – wouldn’t be found in caves of Afghanistan. You can find the peer reviewed papers online easily.

  196. Patriot Dreamer // November 12, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Hi PD,

    Catching up, and a few new posts to read.

    Talcum powder…yup, a few times per month. Thia lab was so good, they would even come up with the brand name! Johnson & Johnson was common.

    A good variety of sweeteners, sugar, salt, baking soda (Arm & Hammer), corn starch (Argo), etc.

    Now, corn starch was popular in the post offices because magazines would be shipped on flats with plastic wrap to keep them together and separating the bundles was…corn starch so that they wouldn’t stick. Lotsa corn starch in postal facilities!

    Talc and baking soda were popular tucked inside envelopes with threatening letters mailed to people.

    Some sickos out there, eh?

  197. venice – do “I” think the Ft. Hood masacre was ordered by Soros? Nah. He just loves money.

    Bush Sr. on the other hand, loves power. Always has always will.

  198. d2i,

    No I was referring to real operation, not the cover-up.

  199. allow me to elaborate.

    Soros wants so badly to usurp the assets of us ugly Americans that he’s made it personal. His agenda is about settling some score inside his internal world. Whatever that may be, who knows and frankly, who cares. His game is pretty exposed so we have big hints as to what he’s up to and his focused goals.

    Bush Sr on the other hand is an entirely different animal. His public persona is one that says “grandfatherly” “caring” and “passionate” however, his private persona speaks volumes to “deviousness” “plays to keep” and “dangerous”. Two very different people which leads me to ask the question “who the hell is he, really?” Something tells me that his public persona is all show while his private self is who he really is.

    We’ll know sooner rather than later if there is any truth to the work Story has done. In the meantime, I’m looking for clues and CW’s post upstairs about the Fed’s siezing $500 Million from mosques certainly strikes me as odd. Especially since we have never done such a thing and after learning the bites I have $500M is a lot of money for who knows who?

  200. venice – that’s an interesting question. my gut tells me no, but is he aware of the grand Ponzi scheme, hell yeah, and is he going to be protective of it double hell yeah.

  201. DenisetheMenace

    Link to Investers Daily article (through freerepublic) about the “emergency” powers given to the president in the climate bill.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2385207/posts

  202. #

    JustMe // November 12, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    JS,

    9/11 PANEL DISTRUSTED PENTAGON TESTIMONY – and considered a criminal probe

    Snipped from:
    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — A member of the 9/11 commission said Wednesday that panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon’s inspector general.

    “The panel even considered taking the matter to the Justice Department for a possible criminal probe, commission member Tim Roemer said.”

    For me if 6 of the 10 commissioners believe the “Official 9/11 Story is Fraudulent” that’s a pretty compelling reason for a new investigation.
    *******************************************

    Not really as nothing has happened and the majority of Americans don’t buy into the Conspiracy theory!

  203. #

    d2i // November 12, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    allow me to elaborate.

    Soros wants so badly to usurp the assets of us ugly Americans that he’s made it personal. His agenda is about settling some score inside his internal world. Whatever that may be, who knows and frankly, who cares. His game is pretty exposed so we have big hints as to what he’s up to and his focused goals.

    Bush Sr on the other hand is an entirely different animal. His public persona is one that says “grandfatherly” “caring” and “passionate” however, his private persona speaks volumes to “deviousness” “plays to keep” and “dangerous”. Two very different people which leads me to ask the question “who the hell is he, really?” Something tells me that his public persona is all show while his private self is who he really is.

    We’ll know sooner rather than later if there is any truth to the work Story has done. In the meantime, I’m looking for clues and CW’s post upstairs about the Fed’s siezing $500 Million from mosques certainly strikes me as odd. Especially since we have never done such a thing and after learning the bites I have $500M is a lot of money for who knows who?
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    I don’t agree with your analysis of Bush….in sounds more like the Clintons!!

  204. d2i // November 12, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Now, it makes sense…mind control, manufactured assessment and evaluations for Hasan……..yep, it makes sense now.
    No need to kill Hasan……he probably doesn’t remember a thing……..I’m disgusted with my country…..I read a book of a woman’s account of the brainwashing of her sister and she, the things they did.

  205. Don // November 12, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    d2i.
    I read the “News” article and really couldn’t understand over 60% of it/ It made me nervous reading it though. Is there any way to verify the claims made?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey, Don, I’m a girl…….

    I’ll ‘splain it to ya.

    While the guy under mind control was shooting, the black op helicopters were bringing in personnel to retrieve the boxes of gold belonging to China stored there by the thieves, Bushes and Clintons.

  206. DenisetheMenace // November 12, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    d2i
    OMG, OMG, OMG

    Today has been a mind blowing day on this site.

    I need to go away and process for awhile.

    First a question, how will we know when this is real?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But, admit it Dennis, you’re not shocked!!!

    The last year has prepared us for these revelations.

    I expect the Bushes and Clintons to disappear to some small island and get face sculptures real soon.

  207. So, is Obama the bad guy in this? It did not sound like it. Is this settlement payment to China a good thing?

    I understood there is no settlement payment-that is has been stolen and redirected to places unknown…….what could he be paying with??

    We’re broke.

  208. JustMe // November 12, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    DenisetheMenace,

    so, you understand this? Can you paraphrase for us?

    I heard the same thing to about the criminals land purchase. I think Cheney’s escape is in Dubai.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Not to say I told you so………but months ago I asked everyone to think of one reason for Congress and the administrations of past to let all these illegal damned Mexicans come into our country in ‘their back yard’ and the answer was ………..it’s not their back yard, it’s ours……they’ll be flying out soon to their new digs.

    But, I told you so!!!

  209. d21
    facts:
    1)we know we’ve been robbed by the elites
    2) we know we’re broke and bankrupt

    unknowns:
    1) was the eligibility issue really a diversion
    2) where will these thieves go
    3) if money in any form is salvaged, will this country get back trillions stolen by the elites
    4) if the Bushes and Clintons have the money in foreign currency in foreign banks, will it continue to be theirs or returned to us
    5) this payment to China and other entities that were bamboozled, is it part of the gold boxes from Fort Hood

  210. JS,

    Not really as nothing has happened and the majority of Americans don’t buy into the Conspiracy theory!

    ////////

    And therein lies the problem. Those same Americans are still buying the government’s b/s and wondering how we ended up where we are today.

    You may want to have a look at the link I posted for Venus. It’s an impressive list of people that aren’t buying the government’s story.

  211. Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    venice // November 12, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    d2i,

    Part of the difficulty here I believe is that it is still not clear what transpired at Fort Hood from the 1st link you provide. Leaving aside the psy ops or false flag operation, the real operation that took place is as follows (please confirm my understanding).
    ******************************************

    A friend sent me the statements from an eye witness who saw the policewoman shot by the terrorist and he reports it the same way the army is reporting it! It seems people are already trying to make this into some kind of conspiracy when in reality it is simply and act of terrorism on our own soil with a Muslim terrorist performing the insane acts!!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    JS…….Noone is questioning these eye witness reports…….I think you missed the point here..

    I have read lots of books and accounts of mind control use by the govt and CIA operations….many have been experimented on and with ……visions, flashbacks, cue words, etc,
    Now, what is being presented is that Hasan, familiar with this mind control technique, was used and possibly the psy ops happened at the same time…black helicopters during a shooting at a military post would be expected……no surprise there.
    It could have easily been orchestrated to get the gold boxes back, trying to avert a national crisis……I mean, seriously, how many times can the Chinese govt turn their cheeks when told “oh yeah, we can’t pay you now, we’re keeping your gold.. That deal we made was really a farce to gain your trillions, what ya going to do about it??”…….”

  212. Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    I have spent weeks….have lots of pages of notes………accounts say only about 2 dozen were in on the 9/11 tragedy…….
    I can surely say a man who changed protocol of initiating fighter pilots in June 2001, and reverted back to old standard protocol 9/12/2001 was definitely one of the 2 dozen…..expecially when he is viewed pissing around on the Pentagon lawn when he should have been in his office during an air assault on the Pentagon giving orders to shoot down those planes …….who, you say??
    Donald Rumsfeld.
    I have a total of 90 facts and inconsistencies to prove that Arabs from caves with box cutters didn’t take down the most guarded building on this planet that is equipped with a multi-billion dollar defense system…….an incoming unidentified would have been shot down by missile instantly…….it would have never made it within the restricted air space of the Pentagon.

    Sorry, guys, just had to show off a little!!!

  213. Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Americans have been so programed to think of the conspiracy theory first instead of using “common sense”
    NOT…….common sense would tell you that a 767 couldn’t get through that small hole left in the Pentagon bldg.
    And common sense would tell you there would be parts, wings, motors, and especially bodies…..where the hell did they go??
    I am finished, but I showed my skeptical husband the pics of the Pentagon and he said Gosh damn…..how could a huge plane leave such a small hole and oh, yeah, let’s not show any of the videos grabbed instantly by the SS, CIA, and FBI!!!

  214. #

    JJ // November 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Americans have been so programed to think of the conspiracy theory first instead of using “common sense”
    NOT…….common sense would tell you that a 767 couldn’t get through that small hole left in the Pentagon bldg.
    And common sense would tell you there would be parts, wings, motors, and especially bodies…..where the hell did they go??
    I am finished, but I showed my skeptical husband the pics of the Pentagon and he said Gosh damn…..how could a huge plane leave such a small hole and oh, yeah, let’s not show any of the videos grabbed instantly by the SS, CIA, and FBI!!!
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    JJ……I have read the reports about the planes and the crashes…..especially the one in Pennslyvaina….and yes it is possible to leave a large plane to leave a small hole depending on the rate of speed and the distant from the earth at impact…..sorry…..I don’t buy the conspiracy theory…..my husband and I have both done extensive reading and books written by victims families who were on those planes and in contact before the planes crashed…..all were hijacked by Muslim terrorist….you can imagine what you want but I am going with the eye witnesses and the truth…..the conspiracy theory has never been proven with good reason….it isn’t true!!

  215. #

    JJ // November 12, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // November 12, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    I have spent weeks….have lots of pages of notes………accounts say only about 2 dozen were in on the 9/11 tragedy…….
    I can surely say a man who changed protocol of initiating fighter pilots in June 2001, and reverted back to old standard protocol 9/12/2001 was definitely one of the 2 dozen…..expecially when he is viewed pissing around on the Pentagon lawn when he should have been in his office during an air assault on the Pentagon giving orders to shoot down those planes …….who, you say??
    Donald Rumsfeld.
    I have a total of 90 facts and inconsistencies to prove that Arabs from caves with box cutters didn’t take down the most guarded building on this planet that is equipped with a multi-billion dollar defense system…….an incoming unidentified would have been shot down by missile instantly…….it would have never made it within the restricted air space of the Pentagon.

    Sorry, guys, just had to show off a little!!!
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Sorry…..still doesn’t prove anything except what actually happened…..the planes were hijacked and driven into prominent buildings…except the one headed for the White House which was taken over by the passengers to save the lives on the ground!

  216. #

    JustMe // November 12, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    JS,

    Not really as nothing has happened and the majority of Americans don’t buy into the Conspiracy theory!

    ////////

    And therein lies the problem. Those same Americans are still buying the government’s b/s and wondering how we ended up where we are today.

    You may want to have a look at the link I posted for Venus. It’s an impressive list of people that aren’t buying the government’s story.
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    A list does not a conspiracy theory make…..sorry…..I am not buying it…..but you can imagine and believe what you want…..the proof and evidence just isn’t there!

  217. Patriot Dreamer

    SueK // November 12, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Hi Sue, thanks for sharing. Life & times after the anthrax scare! Some scary people out there.

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