This is the Citizen Wells open thread for Thursday, October 15, 2009. However, I have a request. Before the general election in 2008, we created the US Constitution Hall of shame. We contacted state election officials and congressmen regarding Obama’s lack of eligibility to be president and asked these public officials to honor and follow the dictates of the US Constitution.
As I have stated repeatedly, the biggest single problem in this country is Congress. They allowed Obama to be elected. They contributed to the mortgage and financial meltdowns and subsequently, in tandem with the illegal, corrupt and socialist Obama administration, exacerbated our financial problems with rampant government spending. Now they are trying to ram down our throats a unpopular health care plan that will greatly worsen our health care and financial situation.
Now, with the upcoming 2010 elections approaching, is the time for united, single minded efforts, as Americans first, to change this un American, non constitutional, out of control Congress. We must put aside our differences of politics, religion and most certainly our egos.
Our efforts as well as other concerned Americans to contact congressmen and record their lack of respect for the US Constitution will be used as a springboard to move forward into and beyond the 2010 elections. We will use voting records on ACORN funding and the health care bill as score cards. Let them pass a health care bill.
Congress has acted in utter defiance of the US Constitution and the will of the American public. Their day of reckoning is near. Let them ramrod a health care bill down our throats. We will replace these politicians with statesmen who will do the job they are elected to do.
What I am asking you to do is this. Let’s begin the process of coming together to organize. This will not be easy and we will be fought to the end, tooth and nail.
First of all, provide your thoughts in comments here today. Begin compiling a list of trusted individuals, bloggers, talk show hosts, attorneys, etc. I plan to be part of this, however, we must combine our resources and efforts. When we choose who to align with we must be careful to pick only those who put God and America first, those with respect for the US Constitution and those who are not motivated by money.
Also, there are websites out there now that do a good job of covering certain aspects, perhaps they can be a central repository for that information.
SC Representative Joe Wilson, a patriot and statesman, will be our poster congressman.
Share your thoughts here.
Citizen WElls 
Health care plan is such a pathetic excuse for our hyper- erroding into communism which it is the goal. Let’s face that fact
Rush being denied the opportunity to own an NFL team when the Black-eyed-Peas can is a TRAVESTY and an indicator as to the persecution we conservatives now face. This is not a free country…..much to the left’s glee.
The only hope I have is a local story. We had a guy trying to sell a large gym. The only buyer was his enemy so he wouldn’t sell. After a few months, a new buyer came around and bought the gym. The old owner was unaware that this buyer had been hired for 25K by the original owners enemy to buy it and sell it to him…..GO RUSH….this chess game is still in progress
Absolutely NO photos of a pregnant Obama mommy!
Since Obama’s maternal grandmother (38 years old when Obama born) unilaterally submitted birth info to Hawaii (generating the COLB), not Obama’s ‘mother’ (then 18 years old), who’s to say Obama’s grandmother is not his mother!?!
I mean what is next for conservatives? Back of the bus seating? Conservative only water fountains?
To kick things off, let’s begin with this
Tim Geithner’s Treasury Dept Is A Veritable Viper’s Nest Of Wall Street Thieves
http://truthingold.blogspot.com/2009/10/tim-geithners-treasury-dept-is.html
http://truthingold.blogspot.com/2009/10/tim-geithners-treasury-dept-is.html
H/T Golden Truth
Don’t know if this has been posted. A 2004 Chicago News article that refers to BHO as … Kenyan Born.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Vote out the bastards that put their party before country. We are sick of the same old do nothing politics, back stabbing and disregard for the Constitution, all the while robbing the country blind. Who needs politicians like the ones we have?
Jack, with the twists and turns of Obama’s history I wouldn’t rule out any possibility. Just another reason to see his credentials and find out who we are dealing with.
Val, send that link about Obama, Kenyan to Leo D. I would do it but I haven’t learned how link to a story. AP story out of Kenya, very interesting. Thanks Bob
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
“Meet the father of world currency”.
Michelle Bachmann, congresswoman from Minnesota!!! Former State Senator, Federal tax litigation attorney…mother 0f 5, has 23 foster children. A true conservative and dedicated to reform and gutting the corruption in DC
I have seen this woman in action on the House floor and she is one tough, common sense lady.
I would put her right up there with Joe Wilson.
P.S. She is currently on the top of Nancy Pelosi’s hit list. Any help her way is vital to keep her in office.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/obama_the_impotent_a_dangerous.html
Just a reminder that inaction is a more powerful force than action.
Children who are systematically neglected suffer more damage than those who are actively beaten.
Linda fm NY–nope, don’t like purple lips either. They can get that way from being cold, too.
Jack–in those days, some women didn’t want to be photographed while pregnant.
CW–Great idea…and something that someone should have done long time ago re trusted sites, etc. Perhaps you should list the obvious ones so the thread doesn’t get bombarded with those. I nominate CW site first!! 🙂
Then, we can work on the not so well-known or obvious. Also recommend listing by types of sites such as blog sites, radio shows, TV shows, etc, so we can be organized about this. Show identifying data such as phone numbers, email addys, etc. Perhaps, you don’t want to publish something that might not be so public. We could notify you first via this method, then you can contact us in return so we could provide privately.
Just some thoughts.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/166541-gold-s-next-bull-market-has-begun
A global interpretation of gold’s rise.
EVERYBODY………………………………….
ABOVE ALL DON’T TAKE THE WORD OF OTHERS AS GOSPEL.USE YOUR GOURD, AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE BADMOUTHS ANOTHER PERSON THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION TO IMMEDIATELY LOOK UPON THAT PERSON AS BEING A POTENTIAL DETRIMENT TO A CAUSE. DIG OUT THE TRUTH THEN DECIDE IF HE/SHE HAS CREDIBILITY.
CW………………………………
I am hopeful that then information I provided will be useful. I done this in the spirit
of trying to help where Leo Haffey is concerned. I made no guarantees, nor did the judge. He simply stated that he would make some inquiries. While I have little knowledge about Lamar Alexander, I was given this name as a person to contact regarding Leo’s plight. When you DON”T know it is always smart to turn over all the stones, so that you might soon know. I hope that Leo is able to receive a little justice soon. Perhaps Ms.Joy will see fit to provide some names of people who can help Leo. All I tried to do was help someone in need. Anyone who can help should jump in there. Here is sombody who is being unfairly,and possibly illegally detained. Keep at it!
I know this was posted earlier but maybe, we should keep an eye on these three possible Patriots who are trying to protect our national security from infiltration.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/63023-republicans-accuse-muslim-advocacy-group-of-trying-to-plant-spies
We’ll see if this one keeps his word:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63103-mcconnell-gop-will-not-be-intimidated-on-healthcare
This might be a hopeful sign:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63093-more-fundraising-trouble-for-dodd-as-simmons-outraises-him
brought over from previous thread
As revealed in a new book detailing the operation and its findings, the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Rather, as indisputable evidence now shows, CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system
from worldnetdaily
Muslim Mafia —by Gaubatz & Sperry
Read more on WND
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-kenyan-born-african-newspaper.html
Not a Chicago article that declares Obama Kenyan born
Hmmm…more fundraising news…
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63091-fundraising-highlights-white-raises-15-mil-pearce-500k
Absolutely, LindaNY, we need to keep a very close eye in this “Islamic” arena…..
House Republicans accuse Muslim group of trying to plant spies
By Jordy Yager – 10/14/09 08:46 PM ET
Republican members of the Congressional Anti-Terrorism Caucus said the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) have tried to plant “spies” within key national-security committees in order to shape legislative policy.
Reps. Sue Myrick (R-N.C.), John Shadegg (R-Ariz.), Paul Broun (R-Ga.) and Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), citing the book Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America, called for the House sergeant at arms to investigate whether CAIR had been successful in placing interns on key panels. The lawmakers are specifically focused on the House Homeland Security Committee, Intelligence Committee and Judiciary Committee.
Evening, CW,
I have been in touch with several or Orly’s plaintiffs in her Barnett case, one state Rep. is very local to me.
Also, I was asked to connect a popular conservative talk show host in the area to the tea parties-he ended up hosting one. I’m sure he’d come on board, if asked.
It’d be no problem to reconnect with them.
I think that at this point, we’ll need to list some common talking points so that our trusted colleagues could ‘speak with one voice.’
What say you?
Suggest we all e-mail Reps: Myrick–NC,
Shadegg–AR, Broun –GA, and Franks –AZ
and thank them for calling for an investigation
as to whether CAIR has infiltrated key panels
of our government.
Linda 9:54pm,
Yesterday he said the bill will not pass Senate. Today he says Repubs will not be intimidated.
That’s quite a jump, don’t you think?
Olympia Snowe’s goal—push ME up into
Canada. … comment on Limbaugh today
Encouraging…
RINO ‘On the Run’ in NY23 Special Election
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/10/14/rino-on-the-run-in-ny23-specia
maddie // October 14, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Speaking for myself, from Kentucky, I have shared my letter from McConnell, who will hopefully ride this roughshod as he said, the bill would not get to the Senate floor, without closed door meetings and another 1000-page government-run mess(paraphrasing here)and I have seen he voted no on many bills involving taxpayer’s money; Bunning will retire and Rand Paul is seeking that position.
Venice, he didn’t say what you’re implying about the bill not passing the Senate. He said that it would be changed first.
Hey CW: Ron Paul is going after Lindsey Graham!
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/14/ron-paul-vs-lindsey-graham-on-the-future-of-the-gop/
Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and a growing number of Muslim staffers.
The first Muslim elected to Congress and a de facto CAIR board member, Ellison predicted in one CAIR power breakfast he soon would be flanked by 15 other Muslim congressmen, “Muslim Mafia” notes.
Chris Gaubatz, in fact, once found himself praying elbow-to-elbow with Ellison during a Friday prayer gathering attended by CAIR inside the U.S. Capitol.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the book says, is totally in the dark about the threat, and so is the White House.
In fact, reveals “Muslim Mafia,” in the White House President Obama is hiring Muslims – including an adviser who advocates compliance with Shariah law – based on resumes solicited from Muslim Brotherhood fronts.
Meanwhile, the FBI is in conflict internally about how to deal with the Brotherhood, with some top officials in favor of maintaining outreach, while counter-terror case agents in the field strongly object, pointing to evidence the network is a factory for homegrown terror and is secretly carrying out activities hostile to the U.S.
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worldnetdaily
Paulajal,
Yes, thanks. You mentioned that yesterday and I understand the difference, but the introduction of qualifying steps that he says are necessary doesn’t persuade me that his intended outcome will be substantially different.
Paulajal,
I guess I see it as the magician just introducing a few more distracting and colorful manoeuvres.
One to watch:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/election_2010_pennsylvania_senate_election
But this isn’t the only Kenya paper that referenced Obama as a native. Besides this one they had a couple of others. Doesn’t Phil Berg have one on the banner at his web-site. It was on video when Obama went to Africa and skipped Kenya and it made the newspapers at that time also. It seems that Kenya is proud of it’s native son and has published this fact, possibly not appreciating what they are publishing. That or Kenya is determined to make the United States look like fools.
HonorFirst // October 14, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Michelle Bachmann, congresswoman from Minnesota!!! Former State Senator, Federal tax litigation attorney…mother 0f 5, has 23 foster children. A true conservative and dedicated to reform and gutting the corruption in DC
I have seen this woman in action on the House floor and she is one tough, common sense lady.
I would put her right up there with Joe Wilson.
P.S. She is currently on the top of Nancy Pelosi’s hit list. Any help her way is vital to keep her in office.
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I read today that queen botox had collected $25,000 to defeat Ms. Bachmann, so Ms B must be up for re-election.
Beck talks to Michelle Bachmann about ACORN funding…
http://www.thehopeforamerica.com/play.php?id=2207
jihadwatch.org….
Info on Keith Ellison Muslim Rep. from MN…
Ellison’s Republican opponent, Alan Fine, have raised questions about Ellison’s alleged ties to the Nation of Islam, as well as about a number of unpaid parking tickets that led to the suspension of his drivers’ license. But the Monitor doesn’t mention the most troubling aspect of Ellison’s record: the support he has received from the Council on American Islamic Relations.
Journalist Joel Mowbray has been virtually the only journalist who has pursued this connection, exploring in a recent column “Mr. Ellison’s seemingly tight connection with Nihad Awad, co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), whom he met almost two decades ago at the University of Minnesota.” Mowbray reports that “Mr. Awad headlined a fundraiser last month that the campaign estimates netted $15,000 to $20,000, and in July, and it appears that CAIR’s co-founder bundled contributions totaling just over $10,000. (The campaign issued a terse denial on the latter point, though it refused to explain away overwhelming evidence to the contrary.)” Faced with this evidence, Ellison’s backers have
venice: @10:07 PM That is a problem, isn’t it? All the more reason we have to pay attention to their “actions” and not their “words!” But, hey, we’ll be watching!
Let’s see—-Nation of Islam, bundled money,
CAIR affiliations, Rev. Wright, Obama and his Muslim “friends,” Keith Ellison, Muslim appointees in DC, Farrahkan, Shariah
Law, Mosques and Islamic Schools spreading
across the US, Jihad against America and
Israel
If you don’t see the “big picture” here,
think again and do something about it.
Obama Lets Russia Inspect U.S. Nuke Sites While Putin Says No to Iran Sanctions .
There is only one way this could happen………….
The only way any this makes sense , considering everything else that’s going on …… it’s a surrender ….
Our Constitutional Republic has been overthrown.
Now , everything else makes sense to me, from the eligibility cases to why Congress is drawing up a socialized health program against the will of the people.
The only thing now is to find out who Dr. Evil is.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/056lfnpr.asp?pg=1
The good doctor delivers again. A must read.
What’s going on in New Jersey?
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGIyN2QzZjEyYjg0MGQyMDJkN2IwZWQ5MDU1YWVkZjU=
Old Salt, my remarks about Alexander had nothing to do with you and the Judge you talked to. I lived in the same little(city) town that Alexander did, actually not very far from his residence. He is a Politician and has been a dirty one throughout from the state house to the Senate. I gave Citizen Wells an attorneys name and then called him myself. He has always been a fighter for things like this, however after reaching him, I learned he is under sanctions himself by a corrupt Judge. If I said something that upset you, I apologise, I love to read your comments, so what I said had nothing to do with you trying to help.
Some times politics gets rough and tumble as we are well aware of. The tactics used against Jack Ryan and his former wife Jeri Ryan were unnecessary. These records were sealed for the sake of their 9 year old son. The only purpose served was to remove Jack Ryan. Again the innocent get punished. Just not right.
Real life vs. television roles
The great irony of this political scandal is that Jeri Ryan apparently is not a sex pot, she just plays one on television. Unfortunately, even her husband may have miscast her in the role. In the spring of 1998, the Los Angeles Daily News asked Jeri Ryan if Seven of Nine was her alter ego. She laughed. “My husband wishes it were,” she said. “He thinks she’s the perfect woman, meaning she looks good in a cat suit, is efficient and always on time.”
“She is cast in roles where she’s going to be the object of desire,” says Robert Thompson, professor of popular culture at Syracuse University. “One of the things she was being asked to play by her husband was the kind of role she plays professionally, demonstrating there is a difference between human beings and the roles they play.”
In real life, Jeri Ryan defies the conventions of the classic political scandal. She was a National Merit Scholar. She is forever telling interviewers that she does not mind being cast in sexually appealing roles — as long as the characters also are strong, intelligent and well-written.
Jack Ryan’s campaign released a statement from Jeri Ryan on Monday, when the candidate was keeping hope alive.
“I consider Jack a friend,” she said. “Jack is a good man, a loving father, and he shares a strong bond with our son. I wish him all the best, both in his life and career. I have no doubt he will make an excellent senator.”
Dick Morris urgent plan to stop Obama:
http://leagueofamericanvoters.com/obama_care.aspx
Locally, I am getting a neighborhood watch program started.
For us to be more organized online, step it up on targeted actions. We have to focus our efforts simultaneously. Identify an elected official or issue that needs leaning on and act. Bloggers can help strategize how best to attack an issue.
More cohesiveness with other blogs so we can spread info even faster. Find other blogs to bring in.
CW, you have already been doing an awesome job of bringing issues to us that need attention. Thank you so much for all you do!
We all have talents we can bring to the table. We just need to utilize our talents.
ARMY D.A.V. Are you trying to say Putin is latest potus.
more fascinating information about MN Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison AKA Keith X Ellison
AKA Keith Ellison-Muhammad AKA
Keith E. Hakim ———–and you thought only
Barack H. Obama AKA ad inf. was the only
Muslim with all the alias!
from Katherine Kersten’s article in the Star Tribune….
Ellison’s background is, shall we say, unorthodox. He is a former outspoken supporter of Louis Farrakhan’s notorious Nation of Islam, a virulently anti-white, anti-Semitic organization once led by Black Muslim leader Elijah Muhammad.
Ellison apparently first came to public attention in 1989, when, using the name Keith E. Hakim, he defended Farrakhan in a Minnesota Daily article while a law student at the University of Minnesota. In a 1990 Daily column, Ellison claimed that splitting America into two nations, with five Southern states set aside for blacks, would be preferable to “liberal social programs.”
“Black-white interaction would be voluntary instead of compelled,” he wrote.
In 1995, Ellison helped organize Minnesota participation in the Million Man March in Washington, D.C., which the Nation of Islam convened. At a fundraiser for the event, he shared the stage with Khalid Abdul Muhammad, who described himself as Farrakhan’s “flamethrower.” In 1994, according to the Washington Post, Khalid had called Jews “the bloodsuckers of the black nation.”
Here in Minneapolis, at the event where Ellison shared the stage with him, Khalid delivered “racist ranting,” according to a Star Tribune article. “If words were swords,” said the article, “the chests of Jews, gays and whites would be pierced.”
Media Matters Urge: Really go after Fox:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112897
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63103-mcconnell-gop-will-not-be-intimidated-on-healthcare
“I can give you some examples of the kind of time spent on other issues,” the Republican leader added. “Last Congress we spent four weeks on a farm bill. Within this decade we spent seven weeks on No Child Left Behind and eight weeks on an energy bill.”
Well, I guess this needs about 6 months consideration.
Here’s my suggestion….holding them accountable……..
As you had a Hall Of Shame, create something to that effect to allow posters to share comments, articles, voting records, and stories about each state’s congresscritters to access their stands on all issues(with links provided and resources)………categorize it by state/party/topic and interested parties can come here to learn about their officials.
Just as I reported what McConnell stated in my letter.
ArmyDav—Can you believe it?! WTH
Frankly I think the time of rallies and
court rooms are just about over. I wouldn’t
say more but read my thoughts.
JJ–love the idea
How’d you like my Ellison-MN info?
I’d like to see us all move up from comfortable at- arms-length discussions to posting direct requests for participation. We need to focus and take action…everything is getting way out of hand…we are losing more ground every day!
Hall of Shame List
Constitution for/against Corruption Groups
Suspected Corrupted Individuals Incompetents
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/ap-declares-obama-kenyan-born/
AP declares Obama “Kenyan-born”
evidently Obama’s 2004 campaign was telling the AP that he was born in Kenya
venice: @10:46 Excellent article. Amazing detailed analysis…I recommend everyone read this one…please…thank you for sharing!
“Senate Republicans are going to insist that this be a real Senate debate, a multi-week debate that gives everyone on both sides an opportunity to freely amend this measure and the American people an opportunity to fully understand what’s in it,” he added.
No hit-and-run here. Multi-week debate.
See CW, these are the facts voters need to know before going to the polls…….just needs itl own category and labeling state by state, etc.
The first Muslim elected to Congress and a de facto CAIR board member, Ellison predicted in one CAIR power breakfast he soon would be flanked by 15 other Muslim congressmen, “Muslim Mafia” notes.
Chris Gaubatz, in fact, once found himself praying elbow-to-elbow with Ellison during a Friday prayer gathering attended by CAIR inside the U.S. Capitol.
To All,
Don’t be blind sided by COLB sinerios and other claims against Barry. These never ending (Legitimate) accusations are distractions connected to far more shadowy, sinister, plans. I believe the US economy has been under terrorist attacks for at least 11 years. Be prepared and expect the worst. If the $USD is replaced as the standard to buy oil, we are all screwed! Believe me when I say, America’s global dominance is teetering on the brink of disaster. For all we know, the Gaggel of Gangsters entrenched in DC and in most levels of state government, may have put us up for collateral. China, and God knows who else, are hearing the sounds of *Cha Ching!*
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
So, some of you still believe de Vattel wasn’t used extensively by our framers? Read on:
Elbridge Gerry requests de Vattel’s Law of Nations for purchase himself and other delegates, October 15, 1875:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:1:./temp/~ammem_FTPt::
Francis Dana’s Foreign Correspondence to Britain citing Livingston’s err in improperly citing de Vattel, September 5, 1782:
http://memory.loc.gov/ll/lldc/005/0700/07020702.tif
Thomson cites de Vattel regarding sovereignty law at the Continental Congress, August 29, 1786::
Hon. Charles Pinckney cites de Vattel during debate regarding treaty law, January 16, 1788:
U.S. Office of Foreign Affairs cites Vattel Law regarding commerce, November 24, 1785:
And we’re just getting started. Just wait until you read about “natural-born” and how it evolved in the Constitutional Convention of 1787.
Michelle
Mr. Evil is still unknown .
God Bless you all here!May God watch over all of us!Don’t ever give up!!!
AKA Keith Ellison-Muhammad AKA
Keith E. Hakim ——
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I would ask how in the he** he got elected but with the illegal in the oval office, I think it would just rhetorical.
WE are the media
WE are the natural born citizens
WE might have to be the military, the fallen heroes…
I say, “Let’s Roll!”
maddie
What HRC did was treason , so my question is why no reaction from anyone ?.
Why are they knowingly drawing up an unconstitutional bill against the peoples wishes .
No one in the federal government is required to take background checks, then how can you take an oath office?.
etc………
Linda 11:12pm,
Krauthammer has a way of exposing Obama’s perverse ideology as a destructive force against Obama’s venerable, magnanimous convictions, that his writing is a masterpiece.
It is a lengthy but worthwhile read. I’m glad you agree.
JJ //
Since we’re dropping names ………Bad discharge , how do you become a federal employee?.
Bobby Rush
Democratic Member of Congress
Member of the Progressive Caucus
In 1968, went AWOL from the U.S. Army
Co-founder of the Illinois branch of the Black Panther Party
In 1969, served six months in jail for an illegal weapons conviction
Advocates reparations for African Americans
http://freeleohaffey.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-notes-from-leo-transcribed-posted.html
More notes from Leo.
We transcribe these letters from Leo as time permits.
Thanks to those who have contributed to Leo’s defense fund. So far we have $610. That probably wouldn’t be enough to tempt a law student to look at the case,
Leo is going back to court on October 20th. I sure would like to make sure he is represented by someone who actually cares about justice, or at least is a hired gun for justice.
maddie // October 14, 2009 at 11:06 pm
ArmyDav—Can you believe it?! WTH
Frankly I think the time of rallies and
court rooms are just about over. I wouldn’t
say more but read my thoughts.
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Revolution isn’t coming…….Maddie, it’s here….just lots of people don’t know it yet.
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maddie // October 14, 2009 at 11:07 pm
That is the type of info I like to learn……this scares the bejesus out of me….I stated months ago, this country will be overthrown from within …it’s happening. Who needs Iran attacks, China calling in their loans, Al Qaeda from Afghanistan, heck, we have our own Jihad going on right here.
IF YOU’E NOT SCARED YET, YOU’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!
GBAmerica: Thanks for the beautiful videos and for your blessings on all of us.
We owe our military our gratitude and respect for what they do to protect our freedom, a precious gift and blessing from God through their sacrifice!
Peace GBAmerica…Linda
Then, count me out.
Because I understand that, respecting the Constitution but requiring devotion to God, is an oxymoron. And the oppression imposed for individual thought, by those on the left , is no less onerous than by those on the right. Actually, imposing this religious litmus test in the name of preserving America is worse, because it adds hypocrisy to the mix.
In my America, fealty to those ideals and principles enshrined in our Constitution is not evidenced by religious oaths.
Rather, my work establishes my credentials as a ‘crusader’ for democracy.
I don’t know if anyone has gone through all the youtube videos of the BHo / Keys debates. here is one of a series of 6 that were taken Oct 2004. On the list to the right of the video there are a lot more Obama / Keyes debates. I have to go to bed or I would go through them. If we have any late nighters who are bored … go for it!
I’m sure if it was that easy the German people would have taken Hitler to court when he took away Germany’s constuition……….
Your welcome Linda from NY.Peace to you too!
We are actually a Republic, not a democracy.
Today’s executive order from Barry.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2362779/posts
Here are citizenship notes from Thomas Jefferson in December 1783 and is included in the Letters of Delegates to Congress:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?hlaw:2:./temp/~ammem_jUrM::
Pay particular attention to the following:
What he’s saying here is that the father confers citizenship status, something we already knew from de Vattel. If a child born in Virginia had a father who was a Citizen, naturalized or otherwise, that citizenship is conferred through birthright.
I’m sure Soetoro is fully aware of these documents from our framers.
Arianna Huffington to Biden: Resign if Obama escalates Afghan conflict
If President Barack Obama escalates the “disastrous” war in Afghanistan, Arianna Huffington has some advice for Vice President Joe Biden: resign.
Planting The Huffington Post, her popular news and aggregation site, in an ever firmer place to the left of the Obama administration, Huffington cited the arguments Biden has made in private against Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s request for 40,000 additional troops in Afghanistan, and wrote that “if the president does decide to escalate, Biden, for the good of the country, should escalate his willingness to act on those reservations.”
Huffington’s attack on the escalation plans under consideration by the White House ran under a banner headline which said: “Arianna: Why Joe Biden Should Resign.”
While Huffington Post was decidedly pro-Obama in its 2008 campaign coverage, its editor-in-chief has not been afraid to take on his administration and the Democratic Congress. Just a few days ago, she told ABC News’s George Stephanopoulos that embattled Democratic congressman Charles Rangel should step down from his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee while under an ethics investigation.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28318.html#ixzz0TyQptnlE
Kim,
Yes you are correct we are actually a republic not a democracy.
JeffM // October 14, 2009 at 11:29 pm
So, some of you still believe de Vattel wasn’t used extensively by our framers? Read on:
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JeffM….You are very well read on the subject….thanks for the info!
I agree and am with you all the way! The sooner we get rid of these crooks the better! I will spread the word… keep us posted on ways to better become united!
GBAmerica,
Perfect!
House anti-terror caucus wants CAIR probed
Islamic group’s infiltration of Capitol Hill ‘unnerving, to say the least’
Myrick Calls for Investigation 02
Kim,
Your welcome!God Bless!
Jacqlyn Smith,
Thanks. I’ve been doing a little light reading on citizenship and the framers. Yes, the Kenyan is going down. We’re starting to see the signs:
1. More and more damning articles being unearthed
2. Attorneys getting air time on CNN and other misinformation media sources
3. More and more “birther” news
Etc., etc.
CW….
To me this is one of the best commentary requests you’ve put out. Were on the same page for this one. Yes, we need to get started and organized. It can be done, lets rid ourselves of all the bad CongRATS once and for all.
I would like to suggest to start by adding a new subject banner to your title page.
“Re-election 2010”
List both R and D candidates who will be up for re-election. To me, if a R is rotten, then let’s get them out of office, and likewise if a D is good, perhaps they should be kept.
I know that many on this site have much to report, which is good. But, I feel this is a topic that needs special attention and should be kept seperate from the daily blogs. Further, we need to target those who will be most vulnerable in 2010. Example: No hope Reid. Reid has to go in 2010 period.
I’m from CA and we have some real dodo’s in Congress. Most should be in a rest home….. As I’ve previously stated its not easy to find qualified replacement candidates, but we need to get started.
The big Q: “WHAT CAN I DO?”
Will report later…
2010 is a wash people. There’s simply not enough time to organize as we should have started back in January. We can, however, make the lives of CONgrass rats very very difficult, if not impossible to complete.
JeffM
2010 is a wash people.
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ACORN is going to be even more powerful in 2010 because they’ll be getting a big bonus package Sept 1.
Besides they still control the polling machines , big business, Banks,FEC ,FTC, and the Media…….
JeffM,
Here in Nevada Reid is working toward $25M in campaign funds. Danny Tarkanian has raised just a little over $200,00. I don’t know if enough people across the US want Reid out and will spend enough money to finance the winner of the Republican primary in NV. As far as I’m concerned the Pelosi and Reid elections are the two most important of 2010. If we could oust just those two it would be a huge message to the Dems and the WH. I think that is where we need to focus money and energy.
Jeff…
There are some cherries ripe for picking. Not “ALL” some. More than ever we need targets to focus on. Give me twenty hard working dedicated people and you can move mountains!
CNN,
Here is a link to the AP article in 2004 Titled a “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Some may want to “Archive” this, as I am quite confident it will be “Scrubed”………..
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/googles-archive-shows-obama-birth-story-has-changed/
Google Newspaper Archive shows that Obama’s Birth Story has changed…
Read RED STATE daily update in your e-mail.
TODAY it is HARD HITTING Right On…WOW
http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/14/the-totally-real-and-not-fake-stupid-quotes-shenaniganza/
http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/10/14/how-limbaughs-embodiment-of-mlks-dream-changed-my-life/
If you are not signed up yet it is a MUST Erik does a great job and to find out today he used to be a lieberal …… it’s the first thing I read every AM.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosures-rise-5-percent-apf-346539737.html?x=0
Kim // October 15, 2009 at 12:03 am
We are actually a Republic, not a democracy.
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We were a republic, not sure what we are now.
CW,
Quoting you,
We must put aside our differences of politics, RELIGION and most certainly our egos.
Quoting you,
When we choose who to align with we must be careful to pick only those who put GOD and America FIRST, those with respect for the US Constitution and those who are not motivated by money.
I am not into God or religion but am a loyal and dedicated American. I am a conservative who believes the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and as a Navy veteran I faithfully served our country during the the Vietnam war.
I was active in the last election cycle and plan to be more so in 2010. I would like to be involved with your efforts but it appears that you have disqualified me.
Eric
GBAmerica // October 15, 2009 at 7:57 am,
What the article fails to mention is that 3.5 million homes is 7% of the total number of homeowners.
I predict foreclosures will hit double that, 15% of all homes. This is a very scary number, considering at the peak of the Great Depression, foreclosures were at 13.3%.
Welcome to yet another Great Depression. If you don’t know by now, we’ve been in one since the beginning of the year.
wow, and I thought it was about freedom for the individual, personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility, safety of our nation and limited gov’t.
I guess if your criteria becomes narrow in demand then only certain people will be able to serve.
I do not believe this! CW was just establishing the minimum criteria for determining whether or not we will support a candidate for the 2010 elections. Just because you are not a “believer” does not mean you are excluded, disqualified, and cannot participate. We need all the help we can get to get the best qualified people in office. Your views and observations are important, and it is imperative we all work together toward the same goal…to support the best people we can find into office. Nobody checked their credentials at the door when they marched on DC at the 9-12 Protest! They came together because they were AMERICANS, not Catholics, Protestants, Pentacostals, etc. or Republicans, Independents, and Democrats!
Please leave your baggage at the door!
We are all AMERICANS fighting to keep our REPUBLIC and CONSTITUTION in tact as it was when our Founding Fathers created OUR great country!
Peace…Linda
conservatives don’t own the values of limited gov’t, personal responsibility and safety of the nation. these are values that all Americans and all people can embrace irrespective of religious beliefs.
anyone who only practices Buddhism or draws their values from Confucius are not eligible. perhaps conservatives have become about religious dominance rather than pluralistic acceptance – which our nation was founded on.
Off Topic:
Sorry if this is a re-run but I still find it interesting:
from http://james4america.wordpress.com/
2004 AP Headline: “Kenyan-born….”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Taitz must be devastated getting hit with that hefty $20K fine!!
Eagle said:
We are now a Kleptocracy.
the only criteria the Constitution requires, Article 1, Section 2, is that you attain the age of 25 years and have been 7 years a citizen of the United States
Linda, it’s a bit disingenuous to imply “leaving one’s baggage at the door” when clearly stated, time and again from conservatives and this post, is that they are demanding a religious tone to politics.
I agree that we need to welcome any American who wants to serve, who is willing to uphold the Constitution, to endorse pluralistic endeavors of limited gov’t, personal responsibility & safety of the nation.
infringing on the conscious mind, for which our founders carefully held fidelity to each person deciding for self such, is itself antithetical to freedom. religious people don’t own the values of goodness simply because they believe. I know many people who don’t believe and I would hold up their integrity as far greater than those of religion, their actions are exercised from their humanity not a promise of reward or recognition.
as much respect as I have for Citizen Wells, no one has the right to decide for another the criteria not set forth within the Constitution to decide if people are “qualified”.
it might be recalled that those who set up our government were themselves, citizens with a variety of beliefs and depersonalized our founding documents so that ANY American could serve and ANY American was protected as an individual against the mob mentality which tends to bully.
and if you’re uncomfortable with this discussion then perhaps conscious choice of words ought to be the focus of those who put in writing or speak in language which itself seeks to discriminate.
owning choice, having the ability to respond to choice, doing so at no cost to others without consent – if all Americans developed personal responsibility, discussions of such would never occur.
ICONIC FREEDOM said:
Then you might want to let the liberal line-towing pro-Soetoro people to get their head out of their rectal cavity or there won’t be a nation left to defend.
We’re about 2 years ahead of you my friend. My suggestion is to get off your high horse, stop making this into yet another partisan pissing match, and assist the rest of us in getting this corrupt band of thugs removed from office.
What? We’ve got work to do!
ACORN, Payola and Color of Law
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/acorn_payola_and_color_of_law.html
About the 2004 Nairobi-Kenya article titled “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate” at
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
When you view it in Firefox with ‘Load images automatically’ unchecked, this text appears underneath the photo location:
nh-obama.jpg (12114 bytes)
Is ‘nh’ the photographer’s initials?
FWIW
Jeff, it has been the history of Republicans and Conservatives who have been misguided into elevating themselves above others which created this war with dems.
It’s an easy win in any argument when Republicans speak only to freedom and nothing more. When Republicans speak to limited gov’t, personal responsibility, fiscal responsibility and safety of the nation. No discrimination. No special interest. No favoring.
And no, it is very likely you are not “ahead of me”, given your post. You do what libs do, you get emotional and then lash out instead of having discussion and debate.
Republicans are not self-correcting their own “baggage” in order to position themselves to win every debate on freedom and take back the house/senate and in 2012 the executive.
contempt prior to investigation
William & All—
Yes, everyone should “archive” the eastandard
(link above various postings) article with
Obama… KENYAN-BORN…..etc.
It’s on my desktop just in case..
ArmyDAV—
Who is Mr. Evil (there are so many)?
Is it Soros?
There is, was, always has been , and always will be religious tone in politics. What are you inferring? That religion should not guide the morals and principles of government?
And before you cite the Constitution, please be aware that having leaders who are religious does not equate to a government founding a religion for We the People.
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ICONIC FREEDOM // October 15, 2009 at 8:37 am
conservatives don’t own the values of limited gov’t, personal responsibility and safety of the nation. these are values that all Americans and all people can embrace irrespective of religious beliefs.
anyone who only practices Buddhism or draws their values from Confucius are not eligible. perhaps conservatives have become about religious dominance rather than pluralistic acceptance – which our nation was founded on.
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Conservatism can be embraced by all people if they choose….the sorry fact is….the radical LIBERALS who are jamming all kinds of things down our throats do not embrace limited gov’t, personal responsibilty or a strong national defense…..every time one of them gets in the White House all of this goes South….the problem we face now is that we have NO checks and balances in the other branches of gov’t either…..we are now led by radical revolutionaries whose only vision is to take this country as far away from Capitalism as can be…..they want control over every section of your life and they are trying to achieve that at warp speed as we all blog here day in and day out!!!
What we TRUE conservatives know is this……GOD is the center of our being and he and he alone controls what will happen in the end……now you can be conservative in anyway you wish but the statistics show that we are a religious and Christian nation at 75%…..and the other statistic says that 40% of us are Conservative compared to only 20% being Liberal….maybe you fall in the other 40% that are not Conservative or Liberal!!
ICONIC FREEDOM,
First off, I am no Republican, so please don’t stereotype here. Second, may I suggest you stop using the fork tongue approach at partisan politics.
We weren’t dropped off the apple cart yesterday. Yes, we know that the Republicrat party, i.e. the Purple Party has failed to represent “We the People”. But we also know there are plenty of consternators such as yourself who come into this discussion with a nice tidbit on “you’re intolerant, racist, evil, etc”.
Yes, I am intolerant to those who make a legal, Constitutional discussion into a political pissing contest. There are certain folks out there who do a wonderfully fine job making this entire legal fiasco into a political one.
I find it curious that an AMERICAN would find the need to write about his birth certificate in his book (years before the “birther movement”).
I can understand why an Immigrant would be so proud to receive legal documentation.
CW did the correct thing in bringing forth from the start that we need a UNITED front, and to be united we must not let our own “private agendas” get in the way of The US Constitution, our Freedoms, our American way of life (as we used to know it). We must put politics aside, that is imperative. You have seen it, the petty squabbles from time to time Rep vs. Dem vs Independent—all juggling for the “power.” Well, the fact is if we continue in that vein, Constitutional Restoration will not occur because “a House Divided cannot stand.”
I look forward to the future in a fully restored Constitution and being a part of electing the individuals who will carry this out in Washington DC.
Indeed, religion is but one source in the world where Americans and others draw their morals and values
morals are opinions
values are placed by the individual, much like a free market upholding freedom in the apex of personal decision
infringing on the conscious mind of another human being to impose a source of morality or value is antithetical to freedom itself
in as much as another human being is not infringing on your freedom of choice in this world, what care does one have in how another chooses his morals, how another places his values
the only reason for wanting “ownership” is to then imply and impose one’s view of the world in bully fashion upon others – again, antithetical to freedom itself
let each care for self and all will be cared for
Think of Goldilocks, she kept choosing until she found what was “just right”, so too, each can decide where to derive his morality from
you can argue facts, you cannot argue opinion
“shared”, “agreed”, etc. regarding morals and values is meaningless. many shared and agreed slavery, suffrage, discrimination, genocide were just fine. it’s not a credential.
Maddie, I agree with you, we need a united front!
if we keep strong to limited gov’t, personal/fiscal responsibility and safety of our nation – we can draw many from all parties who are awakening to their freedoms!
South Park goofs on ACORN
Two more “Kenyan Born” articles.
http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/4112008/news/news1.html
Last sentence of the paragraph that begins “A biography”… toward end of article
http://www.newspageng.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=71&Itemid=37
CW: This man needs help…
Help with ACORN facts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2362944/posts
ICONIC FREEDOM – WHERE IS YOUR FREEDOM FOR THE UNBORN CHILD?
Jeff, again, you have contempt prior to investigation.
I speak of Republicans, not directed at you, but at a party which has always had the greater capacity and ability to self-correct after self-evaluation.
your passion is getting the better part of your logic when reading my posts.
you know nothing of my writing, my distaste for those who scream racism, for those seeking favor or special interest, etc.
again, contempt prior to investigation. perhaps you click that little link and read a bit on my blog before you jump to such conclusions. we likely agree on much more than you probably think. your choice to lash out simply reveals your own self-interest for whatever reasons.
Prairie,
We should start sending these articles to INjustice Land right away with a nice note on it saying “Who’s paying you off?”
You Decide
Investigate Council on American Islamic Relations?
Should a wide-ranging federal investigation –- including the Internal Revenue Service and the Justice Department –- be launched into CAIR?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/15/investigate-council-american-islamic-relations/
Ms.Helga – indeed, it would be great if we valued and regarded ALL life!
how amazing would it be to get gov’t out of the abortion business and let free markets create and innovate ways of educating women so that one day we all look back and wonder why we went through all of this.
the more educated about regard for life, the greater the potential for not taking life arbitrarily. it’s an individual placing personal value on ANY life by which to decide to take it for sustenance, for safety, for sport, etc.
yes, let’s have regard for ALL life and not just waste it. let’s educate women so that they will choose accurately and not use abortion for contraception, indeed.
ICONIC FREEDOM,
This is what you said:
Did I miss something here or did you just say this pissing contest was created by the Republicans?
Everyone’s to blame for this problem we’re in, including ourselves. Perhaps I don’t understand your intentions. If you understand the big picture and know this is a complex legal and political problem, why do folks like yourself try and play the blame game?
BTW – Ms. Helga, what does it say about someone who favors another species over their own?
What does it say when “gorebal warmers” favor another species over their own?
We naturally favor our own species, perhaps our choices might reflect that to greater degrees in our future as it has thus far. We find greater ways of living in our humanity rather than taking life just for the hell of it.
environmentalists are the worst racists, they hate the human race.
Go to Google’s archive search at:
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_q=obama&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Search+Archives&as_epq=kenyan+born&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_user_ldate=2003&as_user_hdate=2005&lr=&as_src=&as_price=p0&as_scoring=a
Check out first two articles.
The USA TODAY article says:
=== It was [Barack Obama], a 42-year-old unfamiliar to most Americans, who seemed to really move the Democratic faithful and may have instantly established his credentials as a national political force. Obama, who is favored to become the Senate’s only African-American member, used his speech to celebrate his improbable journey from being the son of a Kenyan-born father to becoming a rising Democratic star. ===
The Bloomberg article says:
=== “We have more work to do,” said Obama, whose Kenyan-born father married a woman from Kansas when he came to the U.S. to study. ===
Were those two news sources trying to undo/negate the damage done by the Nairobi AP article?
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Prairie (October 15, 2009 at 9:12 am), SUPER find!! Your first article erased my nagging suspicion that the Nairobi article’s “Kenyan-born” is a hoax insert!
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ICONIC FREEDOM // October 15, 2009 at 9:16 am
Jeff, again, you have contempt prior to investigation.
I speak of Republicans, not directed at you, but at a party which has always had the greater capacity and ability to self-correct after self-evaluation.
your passion is getting the better part of your logic when reading my posts.
you know nothing of my writing, my distaste for those who scream racism, for those seeking favor or special interest, etc.
again, contempt prior to investigation. perhaps you click that little link and read a bit on my blog before you jump to such conclusions. we likely agree on much more than you probably think. your choice to lash out simply reveals your own self-interest for whatever reasons.
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ICONIC…..You must be new here as all of us know that JeffM is a long time blogger and I would have to say if anyone investigates before blogging about an issue it would be him….he is very informed about our current situation and the ins and outs of politics….and I for one agree with him on most things….not ALL…..and this is NO exception!!
Jeff, there is no blame game, there is only owning of our choices and the consequences of such.
again, perhaps you misunderstood something in an earlier post.
all life is trial and error.
one of my earlier points was to not disenfranchise potential candidates and voters who can also hold the values of limited gov’t, personal/fiscal responsibility and safety of our nation.
when people start using language which starts to discriminate or have an “assumption of existence” by which they impose some religious overtones to politics, then we must speak out against this
religion has no place in politics – it’s personal and subjective; how one gathers their morals and values is irrelevant to you and me – our focus is on the pluralistic foundations of our nation as stated above
anyone utilizing religion in politics is seeking favor, entitlement and manipulation – there is no need – we can all uphold freedom irrespective of religion – that was the point from the beginning
Val–thanks for posting that vid last night. When I get a little time, I want to listen to it and check. We have been searching for one of these vids. I hope this (or one of the others you mentioned) is the one where he says he is not eligible to be POTUS.
Prairie: Great find…better save those before the “scrubbing bubbles” conveniently delete them. Thanks for sharing!
BTW…how’s the weather?
I can’t find it this morning- but I read a post last night explaining that the Kenyan Born article was found by an investigator and verified. Said anyone should be able to go to their library and find it in hard copy- quickly before it is pulled. I will keep looking for the post.
In the mean time: McCarty calls for BC today.
http://bobmccarty.com/2009/10/15/release-the-birth-documents/
Video: Bill O’Reilly Discusses Rush Limbaugh’s Legal Options Over NFL Loss
Rush Limbaugh Threatens To Sue Every News Outlet That Called him A Racist!
twe: I listened to the first one Val posted. I came away with nothing but admiration for Ambassador Keyes. As far as the “other one,” is concerned…well you decide.
Happy Day…Linda
Jacqlyn Smith, I care not of Jeff’s credentials or anyone else’s, I can see through people’s self-interest.
I can appreciate his passion but he has contempt prior to investigation of understanding.
I’m glad you agree with him and enjoy that experience, it’s not a credential for someone assimilating freedom.
my drive in life is about freedom – I can easily tell when people are not doing so but claiming so – as a citizen I’m going to speak out against it at every opportunity – I’m tired of individuals thinking they KNOW freedom when, in fact, they quite often aren’t aware they are imposing their ideology, from wherever its drawn, upon others.
ideology isn’t about religion, it’s about thinking one person knows how another should live this life when our Constitution simply encourages the conscious mind to decide for self without infringing on the freedom of another.
Eagle – True that!
Prairie – I could not find the dates of the “Kenyan-born” articles in your links. I hate it when that happens.
Iconic Freedom, now more than ever is the time to find God. Actually, and I mean no disrespect, He’s not lost, you are. Look to your soul.
Our Country, like it or not, was founded on Christian tenants. The Constitution will not work without them.
At least understand that this Country needs it’s core Christian beliefs to succeed. Welcome them if you cannot embrace them.
Correction: I meant TENENTS
I hate it when that happens too!
Leaked memo and media control to advance agenda.
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/10/15/leaked-memo-reveals-the-white-house-has-control-of-your-television-set/
Iconic Freedom: In this country, you have the “freedom” to express your opinion, and so do I and all of the others here. However, if in the course of expressing your opinion, you see fit to discredit others who do not agree with you, well…in my opinion, that is not only unkind, but unnecessary. Also, in my opinion, we do not impose our ideology on anyone; we merely express what we think, believe and espouse, and we are “free” here to do that as are you!
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Prairie: I am glad my TV is not operational. Thanks for the warning, though!
Linda, I don’t discredit anyone, I simply do not use their “experience” as credential or just about anything else as “credential”, it’s part of what has gotten politics in the mess that it is – everyone wanting credential for personal experience.
when a post and those who blog start speaking of “god” then an assumption is already thrown down. from that position much is inferred. to say that there is no “imposing” of ideology is simply not accurate as the facts show.
the mere assumption of existence for anyone other than one individual who then speaks of it as though everyone just, of course, would be of the same mindset, is not about freedom.
I would defend any person’s right to their religion or beliefs, irrespective of my own – what’s different about myself is that I find no need to reveal such since they are personal to me and no relevance in politics.
there’s a difference between someone disagreeing, which I take no issue with, and someone espousing they uphold freedom when the facts do not represent such.
Kim, I can appreciate your lecturing me about your belief system. I seek no reward or recognition from any source outside myself for the humanity that lives within me which moves me to act toward my fellow man.
mine is a genuine act as I respect any human being and seek to be certain my actions would not infringe on his freedom of choice to act in his own self-interest, so much as either choice is not at a cost to us without the consent of the other.
can you say the same for yourself?
morals espoused are mere weapons by which to elevate the self and manipulate others. why else would someone speak of such? what would be the purpose of spouting off about one’s values or morals?
if a person is willing to elevate himself above others in one situation, what’s to stop him from doing it in all situations? to what end? to what degree?
this is why politics is so ugly, everyone thinking they hold the key to morality and values, when freedom, which is self-evident, is what all humankind can reflect and decide value.
it’s all about ideology, thinking you know how others should live, the way to live, even to the extent that you want me to believe it; somehow I’m lost otherwise, etc.
well, that’s not freedom, that’s attempt to control and manipulate. it’s fine, for you. thinking everyone should is you acting just like liberals: thinking you know how everyone else should live – if they only would seek god, all would be right in the world
how about if they would all just assimilate freedom which is self-evident and upholds all ideas of life.
how about if everyone developed personal responsibility.
Iconic Freedom: I do not believe “experience” should be excluded as a credential for forming an opinion and/or belief. While experience is limited and should not be the only qualifying factor, it is what people believe gives them a basis from which to form an opinion and/or belief. If I have not experienced “freedom,” how do I know what it is like to be “free?” My experience may only tell me it is the opposite of what I have experienced.
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ICONIC FREEDOM // October 15, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jacqlyn Smith, I care not of Jeff’s credentials or anyone else’s, I can see through people’s self-interest.
I can appreciate his passion but he has contempt prior to investigation of understanding.
I’m glad you agree with him and enjoy that experience, it’s not a credential for someone assimilating freedom.
my drive in life is about freedom – I can easily tell when people are not doing so but claiming so – as a citizen I’m going to speak out against it at every opportunity – I’m tired of individuals thinking they KNOW freedom when, in fact, they quite often aren’t aware they are imposing their ideology, from wherever its drawn, upon others.
ideology isn’t about religion, it’s about thinking one person knows how another should live this life when our Constitution simply encourages the conscious mind to decide for self without infringing on the freedom of another.
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Well…it seems to me that you have some sort of ideology as well that you are trying to impose here and I for one am not buying it…..you are welcome to your opinion though and have at it….whether you want to embrace religion or not is your choice but it is a fact that most of us here are Christians who embrace God as our leader first and country second…..we are not shy to tell you about it either as it is a sense of pride……the 10 Commandments use to appear everywhere in halls of justice and “IN GOD WE TRUST” used to be a motto that nearly every American embraced at one time…..the progressives have taken over and all we want to do is get our country and our morals back on track and as CW points out….for many of us….that means including GOD and religion in our ability to achieve freedom…..our inalienable rights first come from our creator…..re-read the Declaration of Independence and you will see…..this section is important….
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
and so is the last part of the Declaration….
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
Our founders were “believers” whether you want to admit to it or not…..that is a fact and it is also a fact that many believed our government could not stand up unless we were a religious and moral country…..thus the quote from TJ~~~
“Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” ~John Adams
ICONIC FREEDOM
” ideology isn’t about religion”,
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religion is an ideology……….
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” Constitution simply encourages the conscious mind to decide for self without infringing on the freedom of another”
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GOD is not a religion…….
Constitutional Republic = Law
The US of America is not a Democracy, it’s a Republic………
The problem now is not whether one is a liberal or conservative but rather if one is a Marxist , Atheist ,communist , socialist , globalist , collectivist or an American.
I only know of three Americans in Congress right now , that’s the Crisis you should be worried about.
And these boys and girls care not about Constitution , liberty, freedom or America, they care about power.
The enemy with-in ,We are in a Constitutional Crisis.
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ARMY D.A.V // October 15, 2009 at 10:21 am
ICONIC FREEDOM
” ideology isn’t about religion”,
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religion is an ideology……….
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” Constitution simply encourages the conscious mind to decide for self without infringing on the freedom of another”
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GOD is not a religion…….
Constitutional Republic = Law
The US of America is not a Democracy, it’s a Republic………
The problem now is not whether one is a liberal or conservative but rather if one is a Marxist , Atheist ,communist , socialist , globalist , collectivist or an American.
I only know of three Americans in Congress right now , that’s the Crisis you should be worried about.
And these boys and girls care not about Constitution , liberty, freedom or America, they care about power.
The enemy with-in ,We are in a Constitutional Crisis.
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AMEN….Army!!!
Vladimir Putin and the Russian Inferiority Complex
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/vladimir_putin_and_the_russian_1.html
Jacqlyn/Army: There is a sentence in the above referenced article that might interest you both…see if you can find it…thanks.
Peace…Linda
Linda from NY
Grandiosity,power and Athesism…..
conservatives don’t own the values of limited gov’t, personal responsibility and safety of the nation.
Yes, and your point being what?
Looking at the facts of today though that “limited gov’t, personal responsibility (I would add accountability to that too) and safety of the nation” is in obvious decline and felt by all. And THAT decline is owned by those with all of the obvious control of the gov’t. It’s theirs. It’s on their timeline. They own it – NOT the conservatives!!! Conservatives are basically powerless. There’s just enough of them. All others who back the policies of this decline are NOT conservatives. We certainly see that in both parties.
Jacqlyn: Thanks for the link. Think that might be incentive for them to “keep quiet?” I do.
ICONIC FREEDOM
A healthy debate. Well written. The effects of which, based on responses, sparked some anger. Understandable. Consider, though, you perhaps provoked/spurred some into deeper thought.
They may be timid about saying so. I am not. In fact this debate serves to “create the space” to have an honest discussion. I have mentioned before on this site it wasn’t necessary to use religion as a means to validate one’s point of view/opinion.
I appreciate one’s religious convictions, and respect they have them. But, like you, have experienced times when “that card” was played inappropriately, and for manipulative reasons.
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JustMe // October 15, 2009 at 12:02 pm
ICONIC FREEDOM
A healthy debate. Well written. The effects of which, based on responses, sparked some anger. Understandable. Consider, though, you perhaps provoked/spurred some into deeper thought.
They may be timid about saying so. I am not. In fact this debate serves to “create the space” to have an honest discussion. I have mentioned before on this site it wasn’t necessary to use religion as a means to validate one’s point of view/opinion.
I appreciate one’s religious convictions, and respect they have them. But, like you, have experienced times when “that card” was played inappropriately, and for manipulative reasons.
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Just me…..give examples of “that card” being played here at this blog inappropriately for manipulative reasons…..I and I’m sure others would like to know????
Hi, I’m new to this site, just wondered if anyone has contacted Zach Wamp in Tennessee about Leo’s plight?
Also, have you seen this article at blacklistednews.com
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-5961-0-9-9–.html ?
The constitution is a complex edifice (the walls and roof, if you will) that was set on a foundation of Judeo/Christian morals. Without the foundation the edifice will crumble.
One can imagine and hypothesize a constitution set on a different foundation. Or even a constitution was was self-contained and needs no foundation. But that is just an academic and philosophical exercise – not reality.
It is not possible to be a ‘constitutionalist’ without understanding and accepting this fact. You can be whatever religion you want, or even an atheist. But you must accept that we are a Judeo/Christian nation. i.e. that the body of knowledge that is widely known as ‘Judeo/Christian Morals’ is an integral part of the constitution. You don’t have to believe it is divinely inspired. Just accept that it is there. Similar to how you might regard the 2nd amendment. I don’t think that these particular words are necessarily inspired, they are just ‘in there’.
John Adams still said it best: “Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
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tennbrock // October 15, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Hi, I’m new to this site, just wondered if anyone has contacted Zach Wamp in Tennessee about Leo’s plight?
Also, have you seen this article at blacklistednews.com
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-5961-0-9-9–.html ?
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Welcome tennblock….you have found a great blog in case you didn’t know it!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
JS,
You have once again rewritten my words and added your spin. Please reread my post.
I don’t intend to get into any explanation with you. My post wasn’t directed at you. Move on.
Iconic Freedom, what I said to you was not a lecture. Ask my son what a lecture is!
Personally, I don’t elevate myself above anyone else and I believe in value for value in interactions. I give respect unless it becomes apparent you don’t return it. I trust (a little) until you show me I can trust you more or that you cannot be trusted.
As for our Country, our founders embarked on a great experiment, a faith based idea that we are individuals with God given rights, not government given rights.
It is those who have no higher power that seek to elevate themselves above other men.
I will bow to no man.
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DOES THE VACCINE MATTER?
(Snipped from link provided below)
Influenza causes only a small minority of all deaths in the U.S., even among senior citizens, and even after adding in the deaths to which flu might have contributed indirectly.
When researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases included all deaths from illnesses that flu aggravates, like lung disease or chronic heart failure, they found that flu accounts for, at most, 10 percent of winter deaths among the elderly. So how could flu vaccine possibly reduce total deaths by half?
Tom Jefferson, a physician based in Rome and the head of the Vaccines Field at the Cochrane Collaboration, a highly respected international network of researchers who appraise medical evidence, says: “For a vaccine to reduce mortality by 50 percent and up to 90 percent in some studies means it has to prevent deaths not just from influenza, but also from falls, fires, heart disease, strokes, and car accidents. That’s not a vaccine, that’s a miracle.
Full article here: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
A lengthy article, but well written and worth the read. You’ll see the stats being used to sell vaccines require a bit more scrutiny on the public’s part.
Print it out and take/send it to your physician.
CW, Et Al: in order to present a truly ‘united’ effort via this ‘open thread’ it seems imperative to weed out and clearly identify those of divided loyalties…ones not totally aligned with candidates and their supporters who stand together under the banner of ‘restoring the Constitutional Republic’. And that ‘call-out’ in and of itself may very well have the ‘appearance’ of being divisive…even difficult and provocative.
So, I wonder if that can even be accomplished in such a ‘venue’ as this…aside from presenting whatever it is that it will take to make it simply ‘too hot and uncomfortable’ for those of divided allegiance to remain. Sounds like a monumental task to me. Or, maybe the unity can emerge in spite of the ‘feigned committed’?
This still all seems kind ‘new and strange’, when trying to express thoughts without eye-to-eye contact and the added inflection and emphasis of spoken words. In order to not be misunderstood, sometimes you have to not only write what you mean…but also state what it is that you’re NOT ‘saying’….and that just becomes cumbersome; like right now! heh.
(ah…’let my words be few’…)
There are already a number of issues and topics that have been discussed and debated here for a long time…even ‘over-cooked’ by some measure;
and there certainly have been very heated, even nasty, exchanges…some to the point of using ‘threating’ language. So I’m not sure how much of a ‘united front’ you hope to establish here: but it’s certainly a noble idea and ‘charge!’
I appreciate being able to visit here and get perspectives on current news items in such a concise form….save for the ‘hunerts n hunerts’ of comments! heh.
This place leads the pack.
Adios.
Thanks Re-do.
As old Ben Frankin said, we must all hang together.
We have no choice.
Its past time for the change. My change consists of booting the whole lot out and starting over with real Americans whom think about its people and OUR country the GOOD OLE US of A.