Blagojevich trial continues, June 14, 2010, Alonzo Monk testimony, FBI tapes
From Citizen News June 14, 2010.
The Rod Blagojevich trial resumes today, Monday, June 14, 2010. Although the indictment against Blagojevich is extensive and Obama’s name has already surfaced during the trial, the corruption ties involving Rod Blagojevich and Barack Obama are far deeper and go back for many years.
“A few months after receiving his final payment from EKI, Obama sent a request on state Senate letterhead urging Illinois officials to provide a $50,000 tourism promotion grant to another Blackwell company, Killerspin.”
“With support from Obama, other state officials and an Obama aide who went to work part time for Killerspin, the company eventually obtained $320,000 in state grants between 2002 and 2004 to subsidize its tournaments.”
“But Obama portrays himself as a lawmaker dedicated to transparency and sensitive to even the appearance of a conflict of interest.”
“Killerspin’s owner, Blackwell, was a political supporter and friend as well. Both men lived on Chicago’s South Side. Blackwell, a savvy and successful entrepreneur, was one of the first donors to Obama’s early campaigns, including the state senator’s failed bid for a congressional seat in 2000. In the presidential race he is credited on Obama’s website with committing to raise $100,000 to $200,000 for Obama’s campaign.”
“Robert Blackwell had strong ties to Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich who has been mentioned many times during the Tony Rezko corruption trial.
The following is from a news release by EKI Consulting:
“BLACKWELL JR. NAMED TO ILLINOIS GOVERNOR’S TRANSITION TEAM”
The top of the press release reads:
For Immediate Release
Contact: Dan Shomon, (312) 578-0450”
“Obama supported the re-election of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whose administration is embroiled in corruption probes.
EKI, a Blackwell company, gave $20,000 to Blagojevich.
Electronic Knowledge Interchange won $6 million in technology consulting and software development contracts. EKI did no state
work until after Blagojevich took office.”
Read more:
Citizen WElls 
Good morning CW and al. This ia a bit off topic but worth the read.
President Obama on Thursday, June 10, quietly announced a new Executive Order establishing the “National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council.” Claiming the “authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America,” President Obama has truly gone off the deep end this time in his most atrocious attempt to date to contro every aspect of Americans’ lives.
According to Sec. 5. of the Executive Order that details the President’s“National Prevention and Health Promotion Strategy,” the Council will be charged with carrying out “ lifestyle behavior modification” among American citizens that do not exhibit “healthy behavior.”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-issues-executive-order- mandating-“lifestyle-behavior- modification”.html.
Cabby – AZ // June 14, 2010 at 12:42 am
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 13, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Hey William and other non-RAP Patriots
Bottom line is this. Look at everything RAP stands for and everything they claim to know and everything they plan to do.
Now, rather than asking “are they nuts and/or crypto obots?” – ask a different question.
Would you REALLY want “the system” to work they way they say it works?
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You make a very good point, CC. The problem is that we are always told to do the necessary study. The supporters don’t seem to be able to address specific points. Frankly, I’m getting tired of even discussing this,
because it raises so much heat. One who visited here today has gone back “home” and transferred some of my comments to that site, which, to me, is very unethical without asking my permission. Occasionally I blog there but never about this subject, because it wouldn’t be in keeping with the spirit of that blog. As a result, now I am placed under attack over there. It’s OK (If you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen – right?)
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Whether the RAPbots are boBot Brownshirts, fools or lunatics really doesn’t make a difference. The point is that they disrupt intelligent discussions. It is best simply to ignore them.
Good morning Free Speech,
I was just reading over at the wnd website whereby Tim Adams stated he will in fact testify in a court of law if called upon.
I wonder if there any takers.
If the effects of bo’s oil spill fallout is as some expects predict and hurricanes cause States along the Gulf and the south Atlantic Ocean to be blanketed with oil millions will probably die from bo’s created catastrophe. So maybe bill ayers will finally get his wish to kill millions of Americans?
William // June 14, 2010 at 7:39 am
Good morning Free Speech,
I was just reading over at the wnd website whereby Tim Adams stated he will in fact testify in a court of law if called upon.
I wonder if there any takers.
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William // June 14, 2010 at 7:39 am
Good morning Free Speech,
I was just reading over at the wnd website whereby Tim Adams stated he will in fact testify in a court of law if called upon.
I wonder if there any takers.
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Yes, of course, there are.
I am sorry for going OT too. On Wed. the 16th The USURPER will be meeting with BP(BRITISH Petroleum).
“BP’s board is meeting today. It’s unlikely to make any announcements until Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg meets with Obama on June 16 in response to a request from the administration, according to two people familiar with the matter.”
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-13/bp-may-lose-u-s-oil-leases-contracts-as-gulf-spill-punishment.html
This would be the meeting I would like to be the fly on the wall. If there were ever a time that could cause the total breakdown of Anglo-American relations, this could be it. BP’s stability practically touches everyone in England – Pension Funds, Stockholders, Bond Holders etc.
Their ace-in- the hole might be Their Knowledge of the USURPERS’ USURPING. Also the amount of money contributed by BP to his election fund.
THE GREATEST DANGER OF BEING A USURPER IS THE THREAT OF BLACKMAIL
Good Morning!
Update:
Hillary Well Aware of Obama’s Gay Activities
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/78/163/Hillary_Well_Aware_of_Obama_8217;s_Gay_Activities.html
Veteran investigative journalist Wayne Madsen, who first broke the story of Obama’s (and Rahm Emanuel’s) membership in a Chicago gay man’s club, Man’s Country, has a new for-subscribers-only report.
In an article dated June 11, 2010, Madsen claims that, “according to former [Clinton] campaign officials,” Hillary Clinton and her top aides were “well aware of” stories about Obama’s gay activities in Man’s Country and Rev. Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ. However, none of the allegations were investigated in greater detail.
Furthermore, Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus also know about Obama’s activities. One source from the Caucus told Madsen “we knew about Obama for years.” So do “certain elements of the U.S. Intelligence Community.”
Madsen also reports that after the gay man’s club story broke, ”a few national media outlets are now investigating the old charges about Obama.” Madsen does not specify what those “old charges” are, but my guess is that he’s referring to Larry Sinclair’s years-old account that he had two fellatio-cocaine romps with Obama in 1999.
If Obama’s membership in Man’s Country was known to the Clinton campaign, why didn’t they leak the information to the media? Was Obama so precious by then that Hillary feared leaking the information would boomerang to hurt her?
~Eowyn
ms. helga // June 14, 2010 at 7:46 am
THE GREATEST DANGER OF BEING A USURPER IS THE THREAT OF BLACKMAIL
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Although bp was clearly involved in bo’s oil catastrophe, bo is the principal criminal oil spill catastrophe creator. So I suspect that the meeting is just for bo & bp to get their stories straight for their BS PR CON jobs. If anyone is being blackmailed it is the bp execs being blackmailed by bo.
When will Obama issue a new executive order establishng a new federal job description – blowjob profession?
Blowjob Professional –
Russian – Профессиональный минет
Spanish – mamada profesional
Arabic – اللسان الفنية
Helga,
I have always believed the obummmer admin will use the Too Big To Fail analogy with BP… and of course take over yet another private business like they did with AIG. .
Its all about control.
ms. helga, et al.
There is no off topic for open thread.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
I hear that RightNetwork.com will launch July 4.
Thanks Jonah!
Is the right network publicly traded. I would like to buy stock in it
After doing alot of legal research, I find myself with more questions than answers…. So just a few more questions for the legal minds pretty please?
1. There seem to be several legal and lawful ways for the people to challenge Obama (such as jbjd’s charges against state officials who violated state election laws or FS’ citizen grand juries), but all have been stymied either by the courts, Congress, or local officials, and not always lawfully nor Constitutionally. Would this not be considered part and parcel of the original crime, and everyone who worked to deny our right to redress our grievances be accomplices before, during and after the crime? And would it also not be additional crimes?
2. Since the exact meaning of NBC was not defined in the Constitution, and has never been defined by either Congress or the Supreme Court, would it be fair to say there is no hard and fast legal definition, hence the efforts to avoid courts? Could they be planning on using this a defense if necessary? BUT, given all the hearings and such in Congress in the last 20 years abt the nbc clause, would it also be fair to say that everyone in Congress knows damn well what the common accepted definition is — blood and dirt — therefore disqualifying that defense?
3. In 1790, the first Congress “declared,” as opposed to legislated, “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born at sea or out of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens.” Is it safe to assume that they referred to a child from TWO citizen parents? Or is this subject to interpretation? And is it possible for Congress to simply “declare” as opposed to “legislate?”
4. If/when Obama is removed as a usurper (not impeached), and all his actions as usurper are repealed, etc., would it be fair to say that other nations have no recourse as they should have also known he was a usurper, and should not have cooperated with him to begin with? Could they be considered accomplices as well?
5. If Obama is declared a usurper before his replacement is lawfully installed, what could be the repercussions for our troops in battle??? Or after? Could they be declared enemy combatants and prosecuted accordingly?
6. Would it be possible to put aside the NBC issue, and simple challenge Obama on fraud and forgery? Could we simply charge him with forging a birth document, for example, which would be easier to prove than place of birth?
Thank you for any help. My head is spinning with everything I’ve been studying, but I’m determined to understand all this so I understand how we can best move forward.
William // June 14, 2010 at 8:17 am
Helga,
I have always believed the obummmer admin will use the Too Big To Fail analogy with BP… and of course take over yet another private business like they did with AIG. .
Its all about control.
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William – I agree!! There are other facets, as well, such as future energy policy, etc. You know, I’ve been thinking, while we get these issues pinned down in our minds, the O-Squad (meaning O and cohorts) are constantly moving forward with new plans and tactics, probably beyond our wildest nightmares. Something has to give, and soon!!
William – 6:59 AM
Thanks so much for the link re. Executive Order establishing a Health Care Council, et al. While we are absorbed with the oil spill, sinister forces are plotting another assault on our personal freedoms, and, believe me, this one can have far reaching implications. IT MUST BE STOPPED! (nothing new in that statement)
Mia // June 14, 2010 at 10:37 am
After doing alot of legal research, I find myself with more questions than answers…. So just a few more questions for the legal minds pretty please?
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I will be anxiously awaiting the answers to your questions, which seem to be right on target.
Mia // June 14, 2010 at 10:37 am
After doing alot of legal research, I find myself with more questions than answers…. So just a few more questions for the legal minds pretty please?
1. There seem to be several legal and lawful ways for the people to challenge Obama (such as… FS’ citizen grand juries), but all have been stymied either by the courts, Congress, or local officials, and not always lawfully nor Constitutionally. Would this not be considered part and parcel of the original crime, and everyone who worked to deny our right to redress our grievances be accomplices before, during and after the crime?
YES.
And would it also not be additional crimes?
YES.
2. Since the exact meaning of NBC was not defined in the Constitution, and has never been defined by either Congress or the Supreme Court, would it be fair to say there is no hard and fast legal definition, hence the efforts to avoid courts?
NO. THERE IS A LEGAL DEFINITION CONTAINED IN VATTEL’S LAW OF NATIONS WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS.
Could they be planning on using this a defense if necessary? BUT, given all the hearings and such in Congress in the last 20 years abt the nbc clause, would it also be fair to say that everyone in Congress knows damn well what the common accepted definition is — blood and dirt — therefore disqualifying that defense?
YOU OVERESTIMATE THE KNOWLEDGE & INTELLIGENCE OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, SOME KNOW THAT bo IS NOT A NBC, MANY DON’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION.
3. In 1790, the first Congress “declared,” as opposed to legislated, “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born at sea or out of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens.” Is it safe to assume that they referred to a child from TWO citizen parents? Or is this subject to interpretation? And is it possible for Congress to simply “declare” as opposed to “legislate?”
THIS IS A MOOT ISSUE, BUT NO CONGRESS CAN NOT LEGISLATE IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.
4. If/when Obama is removed as a usurper (not impeached), and all his actions as usurper are repealed, etc., would it be fair to say that other nations have no recourse as they should have also known he was a usurper, and should not have cooperated with him to begin with? Could they be considered accomplices as well?
YES, BUT THE LEGAL TERM FOR A RICO PROSECUTION IS CO-CONSPIRATOR.
5. If Obama is declared a usurper before his replacement is lawfully installed, what could be the repercussions for our troops in battle??? Or after? Could they be declared enemy combatants and prosecuted accordingly?
AS A PRACTICAL MATTER DON’T YOU THINK THAT bo’S TERRORIST PALS WILL CLAIM WAR CRIME VIOLATIONS REGARDLESS?
6. Would it be possible to put aside the NBC issue, and simple challenge Obama on fraud and forgery?
HIS FRAUD ABOUT HIS NBC STATUS IS JUST ONE OF MANY CHARGES, SO IT IS WISE TO BRING CHARGES ON ALL OF bo’S & CO-CONSPIRATORS VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW. THAT IS WHY I STOPPED WORKING ON SINGLE ELIGIBILITY ISSUES AND STARTED ADVOCATING GRAND JURY INDICTMENTS. WITH AN ORIGINAL JURISDICTION MOTION, THE GRAND JURY CASES CAN GO DIRECTLY TO SCOTUS.
Could we simply charge him with forging a birth document, for example, which would be easier to prove than place of birth?
OF COURSE.
Thank you for any help. My head is spinning with everything I’ve been studying, but I’m determined to understand all this so I understand how we can best move forward.
U R WELCOME.
Cabby-AZ —
So glad to hear you say that! I worry that I’m missing the big picture sometimes… or that I’m going off on irrelevant tangents…. And that won’t get the job done!
Mia // June 14, 2010 at 10:37 am
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I can’t answer ALL your questions, but – – –
Isn’t anytime The Usurper signs a formal document as Barack Obama – isn’t that prima facie forgery and fraud?
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 14, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Isn’t anytime The Usurper signs a formal document as Barack Obama – isn’t that prima facie forgery and fraud?
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Doh! Hadn’t thought about it that way, but yeah, I guess it is!!! Thanks!
This is the open thread where we can comment on anything, Right?
The other cw post is meant to be on topic, Right?
Do you all remember this disturbing sight? I remember it very well.
Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMOZvbYJMvU&feature=related
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Well now Barrack Hussein Obama is giving $4000 million to these people. I call it treason, aiding and abetting the enemy. What say you?
Obama Gives Palestine $400M More Aid
From the UK’s Guardian:
Barack Obama announces $400m aid package to Gaza and West Bank
Harriet Sherwood in Gaza City
Wednesday 9 June 2010
President Barack Obama said today the US would send $400m of aid to the Palestinian territories following 10 days of international focus on Gaza, which Israel has blockaded for more than three years.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-gives-hamas-400-million-in-aid
Mia, my work has nothing to do with “charges against state officials who violated state election laws.” Citizens in applicable states are charging that officials in the Democratic Party violated state laws, but only in applicable states, by swearing to state election officials BO is Constitutionally eligible for the job so these officials would print his name on the ballot, but the D’s did not ascertain beforehand he was actually eligible fore the job. (Remember, not all states have laws saying, the candidate whose name gets printed on the ballot must be eligible for the job.)
There is no legal definition of NBC.
That 1790 law you cited was revoked, and replaced by another law in 1795.
Our laws of succession provide for a smooth transition of power in all eventualities. (NP is 3rd in line of succession.)
Most individuals have no standing to go after BO as an individual.
jbjd,
Does ANYONE have standing to go after BO?
jbjd // June 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Mia, my work has nothing to do with “charges against state officials who violated state election laws.”
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Then what is there to go after? The Dem party has no legal obligations to their members; only the state officials have an obligation to the citizens. If we can’t go after the state for failing to protect its citizens, we have nothing.
What am I missing?
I’m sorry. I know I’m frustrating you like crazy, but if I don’t understand as hard as I’m trying, think how many others cannot understand…
“There is no legal definition of NBC.”
Perhaps not in the sense that you go to a dictionary and look it up, such as you might for “tort” or “recuse”. But this point is of little utility. The meaning of NBC is well documented.
For thorough discussions for the genesis and legal meaning of NBC please visit blogs by Mario Puzo and Leo Donofrio. The definition base on “blood and dirt” is clear in Vattel’s Law of Nations, in the correspondance, notes and discussions of the founders negotiating the language of the constitution, in the Federalist Papers, in the discussions on amendments in 1790 and 1795 and in several court cases in the 1800’s. Also, as recently as 2009, the Senate Resolution 511 shows that US Senators agree that two US Citizen parents are required. There are no creditable sources, references, or cases that document NBC as anything other than blood and dirt. There are no notes, letters, diaries, publications, speeches or any other records from any founder of this County or SCOTUS judge or case that are inconsistent with this definition. The weight of the evidence for definition of NBC as ‘blood and dirt” is overwhelming.
I think we all, any US citizen, have standing to go after BS/BO, because he lied when he took the oath to uphold the constitution, while knowing fully well he is a scam artist.
tennbrock // June 14, 2010 at 1:51 pm
I think we all, any US citizen, have standing to go after BS/BO, because he lied when he took the oath to uphold the constitution, while knowing fully well he is a scam artist.
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That is exactly what I have been saying for the past year and a half, tennbrock, and We the People don’t need politicians, DA’s or judges to act for us. We have the power of the 4th Branch of our Government, the Citizens Grand Jury.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
Showing newest posts for query find the crooked politicians. Show older postsMonday, June 29, 2009
How to start and lead a Citizens Grand Jury
How to start and lead a Citizens Grand Jury
Everyday I get emails from patriots who want to learn more about Citizens Grand Juries. There are many posts on this blog that explain the constitutional authority of the Citizens Grand Jury. Once you are educated about the history and constitutional foundation of Citizen Grand Juries it is time to start one in your jurisdiction.
The directions for how to start and lead a Citizens Grand Jury are actually simple.
Here are some instructions that the average Patriot could act on:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
4) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11 Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
One of my advising attorneys thought it was important for all people involved in the Grand jury movement to know about this tactic.
It is very important that Patriots know to do this:
1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO.
2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.
3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.
4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.
So important it
bares repeating
1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO.
2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.
3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.
4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.
All of the evidence you will need can be found here:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
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Mia // June 14, 2010 at 1:49 pm
jbjd // June 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Mia, my work has nothing to do with “charges against state officials who violated state election laws.”
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Then what is there to go after? The Dem party has no legal obligations to their members; only the state officials have an obligation to the citizens. If we can’t go after the state for failing to protect its citizens, we have nothing.
What am I missing?
I’m sorry. I know I’m frustrating you like crazy, but if I don’t understand as hard as I’m trying, think how many others cannot understand…
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Yes, it’s frustrating. Please go to the blog and read any of the citizen complaints of election fraud, in the sidebar. Even without any more reading on the blog; just this should explain. Then, get back to me.
(Judging by the general focus of your comments, maybe this is what is blocking your understanding. Namely, whether BO is Constitutionally qualified for the office of President has absolutely no bearing on whether he was elected President. So forget about him! Instead, concentrate on the steps taken to make him President and see whether these were followed. I found one that wasn’t followed, which was those state laws saying any candidate had to be qualified for the office. A candidate for the political party is Certified to be qualified for office, by the party. But this Certification must rest on more than fiat, that is, ‘he is eligible because I say he is.’ No; you need some kind of evidence of eligibility. I contend, the D’s who Certified BO was qualified for office so that state election officials would print his name on the ballot; had no such documentary evidence. That’s election fraud.) (Notice, this has nothing to do with whether he is eligible; it only says, they said he was eligible BEFORE determining he was.)
Robert Gibbs Is Asked About Obama’s Connecticut Social Security Number
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Aahw3NT6E
jbjd,
wouldn’t that only make the election officials guilty of a crime? It wouldn’t necessarily take care of all the fraud committed by BS/BO, especially if no one wants to touch him.
Mia, I want to add something to my previous answer to your questions. I said, ignore BO and whether he is Constitutionally qualified for office. And, for the most part, this is still my best advice. But you will still end up targeting him, in this way.
D officials swore to election officials BO was Constitutionally qualified for office to get his name printed on the ballot. But we know no documentary evidence exists in the public record that would establish his eligibility. So, how did these D’s? We asked; they refused to tell us. So, we charged fraud. Now, faced with a criminal investigation into these charges, will those same D’s now produce for the state officer, AG or DA, some kind of documentation? No; none exists. This gets to BO.
BO knows whether he is eligible. That’s why I said, going after him for fraud for signing a form in say, NH, or AZ, saying he was eligible so as to enter that state’s primary, was a waste of time. First you would have to prove he is ineligible. See the problem?
But once you establish nothing the D’s have says he’s eligible; then, he becomes a part of their conspiracy to get his name printed on the general election ballot.
Get it? That’s the beauty of this approach. We are not trying to prove a negative; the burden is on them to prove they determined he is eligible before swearing he was.
http://jbjd.wordpress.com
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tennbrock // June 14, 2010 at 4:39 pm
jbjd,
wouldn’t that only make the election officials guilty of a crime? It wouldn’t necessarily take care of all the fraud committed by BS/BO, especially if no one wants to touch him.
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tennbrook, see my answer just above, to Mia.
None of my work focuses on state officials as lawbreakers. The laws enacted by citizens of the states do not require any state official to vet the candidate, or to check the Certifications of political parties that their candidates are eligible. And even where wrongdoing is reported, whether to investigate is a discretionary function of the office, by law.
Netanyahu warns: Dark days ahead
Prime minister says committee probing flotilla raid is Israel’s best possible option as it ‘strengthens our ability to fight in the international political arena’, but also warns against ‘surprises’, even from allies
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3905022,00.html
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Jonah // June 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm
jbjd,
Does ANYONE have standing to go after BO?
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For what? In what forum? (The answer depends on what relief you are seeking.)
jbjd,
Thanks I get it now, I didn’t see your post to Mia while I was typing mine.
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Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 14, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Mia // June 14, 2010 at 10:37 am
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I can’t answer ALL your questions, but – – –
Isn’t anytime The Usurper signs a formal document as Barack Obama – isn’t that prima facie forgery and fraud?
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No; it all depends on the law. For example, in some states, you can use whatever name you want, even on driving licenses, as long as you are not using the name specifically to defraud.
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tennbrock // June 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm
jbjd,
Thanks I get it now, I didn’t see your post to Mia while I was typing mine.
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No problem; that happens to me all the time.
jbjd // June 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Jonah // June 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm
jbjd,
Does ANYONE have standing to go after BO?
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For what? In what forum? (The answer depends on what relief you are seeking.)
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I was referring to your comment you had just made on the thread at 1:14. My question immediately followed your comment at 1:33pm.
So obviously my question pertained to your comment – “Most individuals have no standing to go after BO as an individual.”
Soooooooo
Does ANYONE have standing to go after BO?
Never mind that question. Here’s a more difficult question for you or anyone else.
HR 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is 2074 pages and is extremely difficult to understand but I found some questionable exemptions noted in a summary posted on the internet.
Subtitle F: Shared Responsibility for Health Care – Part I: Individual Responsibility – (Sec. 1501, as modified by section 10106) Requires individuals to maintain minimal essential health care coverage beginning in 2014. Imposes a penalty for failure to maintain such coverage beginning in 2014, except for certain low-income individuals who cannot afford coverage, members of Indian tribes, and individuals who suffer hardship. Exempts from the coverage requirement individuals who object to health care coverage on religious grounds, individuals not lawfully present in the United States, and individuals who are incarcerated.
http://thomas.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d111:1:./temp/~bdBPBk:@@@L&summ2=m&|/home/LegislativeData.php|
My question is this…….
If certain religious groups, American Indians, illegal immigrants, hardship cases and prison inmates are exempt from ObamaCare’s health insurance mandate then the law is clearly unconstitutional. How can a federal law dictate adherence by only some groups of people but not others. Why will some religions be required to buy insurance and others will not? An entire race of people is exempted? How far back does your American Indian heritage have to reach in order to allow exemption? Illegal immigrants won’t have to pay for insurance but aren’t hospitals required to treat them anyway?
Can legal experts help me to understand why this law should not be declared unconstituional?
Jonah // June 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm
jbjd // June 14, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Jonah // June 14, 2010 at 1:33 pm
jbjd,
Does ANYONE have standing to go after BO?
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For what? In what forum? (The answer depends on what relief you are seeking.)
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I was referring to your comment you had just made on the thread at 1:14. My question immediately followed your comment at 1:33pm.
So obviously my question pertained to your comment – “Most individuals have no standing to go after BO as an individual.”
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You know what? I meant what I asked you. For example, the set of people who are pledged delegates in vote binding states could go after him for interference with fiduciary obligation… In general, gaining standing in court requires a specific harm that is capable of remedy.
As for federal laws that seem disparate on their face, the general rule is, depending on what kind of right/liberty is impacted, the state must be able to show a particular level of interest/reason for enacting that law (compelling, rational…) So, not all laws on their face are illegal, just because they appear to apply unequally.
Free Speech,
jbjd, All Attorneys,
And All Americans,
ALL AMERICANS MUST READ AN
IMPORTANT STORY ABOUT MASSIVE JUDICIAL ABUSE AND CORRUPTION That Is Posted Today, June 14, 2010 At:
http://www.OilForImmigration.org
The title of the article is, “Lawsuit Charges Florida Supreme Court, Judges, Attorneys and other State Officials with Judicial Corruption! – Thanks Pastor Charles – Posted On – June 13th, 2010 by David-Crockett”
There is a You Tube video there of Bill A. Corbin that is a must see video called:
“Florida Supreme Court Charged With Corruption”
at http://www.OilForImmigration.org
Former Attorney Bill A Corbin Tells His Story to the National Media About Judicial Racketeering – Obstruction of Justice – Abuse of Power, Denial of Due Process – Conspiracy to Violate Civil Rights, and Illegal Confiscation of Property!
Corbin Shares His Concerns About
Judicial Corruption in Florida
with Constitutional Attorney and
Nationally Syndicated Radio Talk Show Host Mark Levin.
The story of former attorney Bill A. Corbin, unlawfully stripped of his law license in 1998, is one that needs to be heard by all Americans.
To see a brief summary of the horrors he and his family have suffered, click “OVERVIEW”… then hear Mr. Corbin’s incredible story in his own words by watching a short four-minute YouTube video that he created. To review the actual complaints before the courts, click “LAWSUITS” on the navigation menu.
For over ten years he has been continuously fighting for his constitutional right to a day in court to correct the injustices done to him.
Judges have systematically and illegally denied Corbin any opportunity to face his accusers in open court. He is determined to clear his name whatever it takes.
Over 3,300 pages have been filed in Corbin’s case over 10 years, but all judges have refused to give him a day in court!
Governor Charlie Crist and Attorney General Bill McCollum are aware of this fact, yet have never investigated it! Concerned citizens should ask:
WHY NOT?
Executive Office of the Governor – Switchboard: (850) 488-7146
http://www.OilForImmigration.org
Posted on June 14, 2010
Office of the Attorney General – Switchboard: (850) 414-3300 ”
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http://www.OilForImmigration.org
MUST READ ARTICLE:
“Lawsuit Charges Florida Supreme Court, Judges, Attorneys and other State Officials with Judicial Corruption! – Thanks Pastor Charles – Posted On – June 13th, 2010 by David-Crockett”
Scroll to the twelfth story.
Informative. Interesting. I have yet to find the date of publication.
The Federal Crime of Election Fraud
Prepared by Craig C. Donsanto Public Integrity Section
The material that follows addresses the role of the United States Department of Justice in criminal matters that arise out of the balloting process, i.e. election fraud.»1
Click to access The%20Federal%20Crime%20of%20Election%20Fraud.pdf
From a list of 10, here are a few behavioral “symptoms” of people involved with an “unsafe” group or leader.
MSM, to a T, imo. Not to mention the mesmerized kool-aiders.
— “Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as “persecution”.”
— “Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.”
— “Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.”
— “Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.”
by Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/shrink-asks-whats-wrong-with-obama.html
CW,
Can you please post this one? And simply delete the few previous posts that look like this? They were generated & sent in before I was finished writing them! Thanks CW!!
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http://sco.biblecommenter.com/genesis/1.htm
Genesis 1
Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)
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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
SCOFIELD REFERENCE NOTES
(Old Scofield 1917 Edition)
A Panoramic View of the Bible (See also THE PENTATEUCH, Book Introduction, and Notes associated with Genesis 1:1)
The Bible, incomparably the most widely circulated of books, at once provokes and baffles study. Even the non-believer in its authority rightly feels that it is unintelligent to remain in almost total ignorance of the most famous and ancient of books. And yet most, even of sincere believers, soon retire from any serious effort to master the content of the sacred writings. The reason is not far to seek. It is found in the fact that no particular portion of Scripture is to be intelligently comprehended apart from some conception of its place in the whole. For the Bible story and message is like a picture wrought out in mosaics: each book, chapter, verse, and even word forms a necessary part, and has its own appointed place. It is, therefore, indispensable to any interesting and fruitful study of the Bible that a general knowledge of it be gained.
First. The Bible is one book. Seven great marks attest this unity.
(1) From Genesis the Bible bears witness to one God. Wherever he speaks or acts he is consistent with himself, and with the total revelation concerning him.
(2) The Bible forms one continuous story – the story of humanity in relation to God.
(3) The Bible hazards the most unlikely predictions concerning the future, and, when the centuries have brought round the appointed time, records their fulfilment.
(4) The Bible is a progressive unfolding of truth. Nothing is told all at once, and once for all. The law is, “first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn.” Without the possibility of collusion, often with centuries between, one writer of Scripture takes up an earlier revelation, adds to it, lays down the pen, and in due time another man moved by the Holy Spirit, and another, and another, add new details till the whole is complete.
(5) From beginning to end the Bible testifies to one redemption.
(6) From beginning to end the Bible has one great theme – the person and work of the Christ.
(7) And, finally, these writers, some forty-four in number, writing through twenty centuries, have produced a perfect harmony of doctrine in progressive unfolding. This is, to every candid mind, the unanswerable proof of the divine inspiration of the Bible.
Second. The Bible is a book of books. Sixty-six books make up the one Book. Considered with reference to the unity of the one book the separate books may be regarded as chapters. But that is but one side of the truth, for each of the sixty-six books is complete in itself, and has its own theme and analysis. In the present edition of the Bible these are fully shown in the introductions and divisions. It is therefore of the utmost moment that the books be studied in the light of their distinctive themes. Genesis, for instance, is the book of beginnings–the seed-plot of the whole Bible. Matthew is the book of the King, & etc.
Third. The books of the Bible fall into groups. Speaking broadly there are five great divisions in the Scriptures, and these may be con- veniently fixed in the memory by five key-words, Christ being the one theme (Lk 24:25-27).
PREPARATION
The OT
MANIFESTATION
The Gospels
PROPAGATION
The Acts
EXPLANATION
The Epistles
CONSUMMATION
The Apocalypse
In other words, the Old Testament is the preparation for Christ; in the Gospels he is manifested to the world; in the Acts he is preached and his Gospel is propagated in the world; in the Epistles his Gospel is explained; and in the Revelation all the purposes of God in and through Christ are consummated. And these groups of books in turn fall into groups. This is especially true of the Old Testament, which is in four well defined groups. Over these may be written as memory aids:
REDEMPTION
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
ORGANIZATION
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
I,II Samuel
I,II Kings
I,II Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
POETRY
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Solomon
Lamentations
SERMONS
Isaiah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Micah,
Ezekiel, Nahum, Daniel, Habakkuk,
Hosea, Zephaniah, Joel, Haggai,
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Thank you, CW.
jbjd — thank you again. I’m too tired tonight, but will start again in the morning…
!?!! — After the sweatlodge tragedy with the self-help guru James Ray, I read quite a bit at Rick Ross forums and saw the same list (or a similar one). I also thought it fit Obama and the Obamania. I don’t think it’s coincidence that Oprah championed both of those narcissistic self-annointed messiahs, isn’t it?
Mia // June 15, 2010 at 12:49 am
I’ve seen similar lists at other sites dealing with the same issue of cults and cult behavior, too.
Nope. I don’t believe much in coincidence any more. Oprah does her fair share in the “let’s delude the people” dept.
Weird how the cult leaders and the “cultees” seem to recognize and support each other.
Blest rest!!!