Trent Franks, US representative, Arizona, Town hall meeting, Saturday, August 22, 2009, Obama birth certificate, Franks questions Obama, health care reform, Franks considering filing a lawsuit, ACORN fraudulent

US representative Trent Franks of Arizona, conducted a Town hall meeting, Saturday, August 22, 2009, in Kingman, AZ. Health care reform, national defense and illegal aliens and even fraudulent ACORN were discussed. However, what was most interesting about Trent Franks’ comments was his questioning Obama on not producing a birth certificate and indicating he may initiate a lawsuit. I am not certain if representative Franks really understands the eligibility issues, but at least he understands that there may be a problem.

Here are three action items for us to address:

1. Make certain that Trent Franks understands the serious eligibility issues surrounding Obama as well as his complete hiding of his past.
2. Encourage Trent Franks to initiate a lawsuit and provide data and resources.
3. Let Trent Franks know that we will support his efforts to represent the American people and uphold the US Constitution.

Here are some exerpts from the Mojave Daily News:

“Franks goes on the attack

 
Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:01 AM CDT

 
PACKED HOUSE: U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, from Arizona’s 2nd District, held a town hall meeting Saturday in Kingman discussing issues ranging from health care reform to President Barack Obama’s citizenship. JIM SECKLER/The Daily News 
Congressman critical of Obama’s policies”

“KINGMAN – A big, boisterous crowd largely supported an Arizona Congressman, who lambasted the Democratic president and his policies.

Rep. Trent Franks, a Republican representing Arizona’s 2nd Congressional District that includes Mohave County, held a town hall meeting Saturday afternoon at a jammed-packed Kingman church.

 
Franks started the town hall off by showing a half-hour video on the country’s missile defense system. The movie warned of threats of a missile attack by rogue nations such as North Korea and Iran and the need to protect the country with a missile defense shield.

Franks then criticized President Barack Obama on every issue starting with the president’s lack of understanding of the threat by terrorists to launch an attack against the United States. The conservative Republican also said he voted against the federal stimulus bill and the Cash for Clunkers program, which he said benefited foreign car makers. He also said it would take 34,000 years to pay off the debt that Obama is accruing.”

“The other main issue dealt with numerous speakers questioning Obama’s birth certificate and why there wasn’t an investigation into whether he is a naturalized citizen. One woman said a newspaper announcement of his birth in Hawaii was not sufficient. Another asked how he could have a passport without a birth certificate.

Franks said there was not enough evidence that Obama is not an American citizen. He did say there was a lot of conflicting evidence of Obama’s citizenship and that he was considering filing a lawsuit, the only congressman to do so. Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.”

“Franks also called Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now fraudulent and said it should be investigated by the U.S. Attorney General. He also said the organization was committed to hurting the country and blamed the organization for requiring sub-prime loans that led to the country’s economic downturn.”

Read more:

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2009/08/23/news/top_story/top1.txt

I am not certain if the people were quoted correctly or not regarding the use of the words “citizen” and “naturalized citizen.”

We must make certain that Representative Franks understands the difference.

****  UPDATE ****

I just received this from a AZ citizen:

“I have emailed Rep Franks several times,…. and He has responded to me each time….by email and also snail mail letter.  Pretty much saying that obama has been vetted and all is in order.  MAYBE we should email him some info to WAKE UP his mind a little bit.  You prepare what you want and I will make sure he gets it.  I will email it and I will also send him a certified letter.  WHAT do you think?  (I also emailed Sen Mccain,…. but never received any response at all)”

I certainly hope that Trent Franks did not utter words to placate his audience.

Representative Franks, we are watching you!

 

Thanks to commenter ccwarrior.

206 responses to “Trent Franks, US representative, Arizona, Town hall meeting, Saturday, August 22, 2009, Obama birth certificate, Franks questions Obama, health care reform, Franks considering filing a lawsuit, ACORN fraudulent

  1. Thank you CW for highlighting this.

    On another note, congress is talking about absorbing every state’s pension plan into the social security system:

    http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/congress-talks-of-nationalizing-all-pensions-into-social-security/

  2. For storie, pictures and videos of the recess rallies across the country yesterday, go to TCOT for the links (many). BTW, there were 3,000 in Orlando! Wow!!

    http://www.tcotreport.com/

  3. Just so you know–

    Oh no, not again…

    Seen elsewhere: “Please report incorrect rumors about the president to investigations@whitehouse.gov

  4. Swine Flu: Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine and 30 days in prison

  5. Christian Prophet

    Obama’s mother was an American, so this seems to be a sidetracking issue. If I was Obama, I would welcome the chance to laugh at my opposition. Christians should highly object to Democrats’ attempt to sell their health care bill as Christianity. See “Jesus Christ answers Obama health care:”
    http://constitutionparti.blogspot.com/

  6. Excellent actions alert:
    Will email and call him tomorrow

  7. ccwarrior // August 23, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    ccwarrior, please post a reference for this -where did it come from?

  8. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Ms. Helga,

    Here is the info about the Video Debate between Obama and Keyes.

    Obama and Keyes debated for the US Senate seat in Illinois in 2004, there were 3 debates, and they were video taped in Chicago by a prominent channel (ABC I believe).

    In the second debate, during which Keyes criticized Obama about being opposed to private school vouchers, and in which he asked him where he would be sending his daughter(s), public or private (Obama said public–what a liar!)…

    Keyes did a quick political jab, saying, “Why you are not even a natural born citizen!”

    To which Obama quickly retorted, “So what, I am running for the Senate not the US presidency!”

    These debates were edited and shown on TV in Chicago, this retort was one sequence that was edited and never appeared in Chicago in Oct of 2004.

    However, after Obama’s trouncing of Keyes, there was a lot of talk in DC about his political future, round about Feb 2005. C-Span therefore decided to request the original unedited tapes and air them twice in the second half of April 2005.

    They did this in the morning, when their commentator reads the papers and comments on things shown, with live call in right after.

    This particular video of the second debate was shown sometime after April 15, 2005.

    I know these facts, because I have a friend who watched C-Span in April of 2005…he’s the same guy who called into Plains radio and asked Alan Keyes if he remembers it…Keyes said he had no memory of it…from that point on, my friend no lonber believed that Keyes was honest, but what up to some sort of game on the eligibility question: or at least, was feigning ignorance, to cover for the fact that he should have known that NBC status only applied to presidential candidates…

  9. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    AS for the Smith Kenyan BC…I was visiting a friend with a 3 month old newborn…a child of that age has a foot so small, there is yet very little differentiation on the sole of the foot, with very tiny toes….its a clear forgery….

  10. I have a hard time wrapping my arms around the BC issue anymore. While I understand that its the central issue in trying to get this imposter removed from office, it doesn’t really seem as though any of our politicians are willing to stake their political lives on this (or their actual lives, for that matter). It just seems as though we’d be more effectively served trying to destroy any and all of his marxist policies from the inside-out and stop him from moving beyond 2012.

    I’m also with Sue K – I’d like to know more about this swine flu ultimatum.

    http://conrest.blogspot.com/2009/08/we-should-never-fight.html

  11. Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine

  12. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    See the recent letter by Farah to Obama regarding showing the Birther’s wrong: the tone of the letter is mocking Birthers…there is something not right about that letter…

  13. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Ccwarrior,

    Lest your congressman Frank gets deluged by misinformation (which is what I expect the obots to do, to keep him from getting informed), I suggest you only sending him information about the NBC issue: the lawsuit prepared by Apuzzo, which is currently the clearest of pleadings, along with Apuzzo’s arguments for standing…

  14. Civis Naturaliter Natus
    Will do

  15. ccwarrior // August 23, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Thanks for the vid, ccwarrior.

    You’ll notice in the video that this is for a declaration of a public health emergency, which all states have in place for any number of situations. All this has been batted around before.

    I’ve been saying this all along-the only way to force vaccines would be a declaration of a public health emergency, or martial law. It can’t happen, otherwise.

    Truth be told, I don’t think it’ll come to this. I’d be interested to know if other states are following the MA model…

  16. Patriot Dreamer

    ccwarrior, also send him a copy of the advertisement Mario Apuzzo and Charles Kerchner have been running in the Weekly Edition of the Washington Times (it’s only 1 page, so it’s more likely to be read than the pleadings, but include the pleadings, too, for more details). Here’s a link to that:

  17. CNN–
    When the foot print is done sometimes you don’t see the arch section very well. However,
    the child’s foot is pressed on fairly well and with
    a bit of the back to front movement to get the
    whole print. Some babies, also, have
    larger feet. Don’t think you can rule document
    out on what you “think” the foot print “should”
    look like—they’re all different.

  18. Patriot Dreamer

    At least that video allows you to quarantine yourself. But if you say you’re going to quarantine yourself and you don’t do it, then you’re subject to the penalties. Quarantines are a good idea anyway. People who are sick should stay at home and not expose others to their illness.

  19. Patriot Dreamer :

    Thank you for the reminder and link

  20. Patriot Dreamer

    “Signs of the times”:

  21. Patriot Dreamer

    ccwarrior // August 23, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Patriot Dreamer :

    Thank you for the reminder and link
    **************************************
    You’re welcome and good luck!

  22. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Maddie,

    If that footprint is real, Obama was a gargantuan at birth!

  23. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Or monster!

  24. SueK
    That’s my question; if other states going to follow,and if the citzens refuse…martial law?

  25. CNN —

    I have to disagree @5:02. ALL of my 5 children had infant footprints made (by the hospital, but NOT for the official BC), and their footprints appear to be VERY SIMILAR to the one used as a SAMPLE here —

    http://www.child-identification-products.com/baby-footprint-kits.html

    Be that as it may — the baby in the Lucas Smith video has FLAT FEET!

  26. ccwarrior // August 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Don’t know at this point, cc. As you may know, I’ve been following this all along.

    Other states have their plans, I’m sure, but for some reason, MA is really ramping up, perhaps because the preparedness plans were already written a few years ago; this is the perfect opportunity to use them.

    Right now, I feel that it will be a state-by-state decision; I think that the Feds may get involved if the entire country is involved and I don’t think that’ll be the case however, is any excuse for Barky and his minions a good one to declare martial law?

    I’ve been involved in another situation where ‘self-quarantine’ was suggested and nothing ever materialized.

    I’ll be on this first thing Monday morning and will post whatever I find out. Please, let’s not all hit the panic button just yet-sit tight!

  27. My granddaughter had big feet!!!!!!!!!!

    not even 2 and is 38 inches tall Parents not tall

  28. Some one here mentioned that there is a townhall meeting with Trent Franks in AZ Monday. Is that tomorrow the 24th at 5:00? Please post where it is located at. I am in Ft Mohave AZ and have been trying to find the location and it is not popping up. THANK YOU
    JoyceAZ

  29. Lame Cherry just posted discussion of footprint.

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/

  30. All founding fathers were British Subjects who’s births were governed by the Monarchy of England (just like Obama) and therefore not Natural Born American Citizens that is why they made a grandfather clause for themselves. Since Obama was not alive at the time of the signing of the Constitution & his birth was Governed by British Act and the Monarchs, by his Own Admission, he’s PROHIBITED to be Prez. As a British Subject at birth the only he could EVER be Preisdent according to Article II Sec 1 is if he was Alive at the signing of the Constitution, like the founding fathers.

  31. TO:
    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Maddie,

    If that footprint is real, Obama was a gargantuan at birth!

    ===============
    Os just maybe that was done when he was HANDED OVER months or yrs after birth to be brought to USA for future immigration reasons.
    ObaMOSES

  32. Explosive Back Breaking News

    BushFRAUD’s Mental Collapse, and
    D-Day is Coming
    Part 2 of 2

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=147509065&blogId=506936914

  33. It looks like somebody got to Franks just like McHenry. They both started back-pedaling only minutes after declaring their suspicions of Obama’s eligibility. How many congressmen does this make?

  34. I have heard it asked on here is Lame Cherry a guy or gal. I suspected a gal since the articles speak highly of Sarah Palin.

    If I read this article right, Lame Cherry is a female.

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/08/execute-poor-people.html

    “As I stated I am really a tough little lady so I will next tell people just like Obama and Aaron Burr that you are rich if your household is $50,000 dollars a year.”

  35. cnn – Thank you for that thorough report on Keyes-
    Obama debate.
    Did anyone watch on Turner Classic Movies last night the Sterling Hayden movie “The Last Command” about Jim Bowievand the Battle of the Alamo?

  36. Maddie-
    Re: Gargantuan foot…

    Next time you have a chance take a look at Barrys’ feet. Extermely large. >14″?

    Also, Kittycat on your comment “looks high.” I’ve noticed that also, Look at recent photos. Old habits are hard to break, especially if the pressure is getting to Barry? Or maybe the pharmaceutical boys are handing out free samples.

    Still think it’s a great idea to have all members of Congress and their staff tested for drugs. Can the Pres. be also tested?

  37. #1 ring tone in the country–

    The Day O-care Died:

  38. O disses Brits, Brits release Lockerbie bomber (remember the proviso that Brits got to try him was that they had to consult with US before changing anything):

    http://jdlong.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/obama-insults-brits-brits-release-lockerbie-bomber-whats-surprising-here/

  39. In regard to footprints being large, keep in mind how much taller Barry was than classmates in the photos we have been shown. Just sayin’.

  40. Again, I don’t know if the document is real or a fake, but I seem to agree with Lame Cherry, check it out! You have a baby one, then someone could get an adult one for comparison.

  41. My video that I showed of BO being high was just a joke, guys. It’s just something to laugh at. That’s all. Maybe I should have said it. I thought y’all would realize it.

  42. Cash for Clunkers Killed Her Company:

  43. kittycat,Obama being high was funny. It would be funnier if it wasn’t true.

  44. MoveOn, SEIU, Acorn’s plans to disrupt rally protests:

    http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/291220.php

  45. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 23, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    AS for the Smith Kenyan BC…I was visiting a friend with a 3 month old newborn…a child of that age has a foot so small, there is yet very little differentiation on the sole of the foot, with very tiny toes….its a clear forgery….

    *******************************************

    Excellent assessment! Yet another attempt to discredit the “birthers”, hoping to turn our attention to this purposely created wild goose chase, which only wishes to further discredit the birther’s good faith efforts in simply asking Obama to share his long-form birth certificate and address this issue once and for all. Find it interesting that most–if not all-the attention surrounding Obama’s birth-certificate focuses more upon claims of Where he was born, but hardly anything is ever asked/researched of the actual parents and/or actual date and time of birth (of course, we all know what the manufactured cover story wants us to believe, Obama, Sr. & Ann Dunham concieved a child later born on August 4, 1961 @ 7:24PM).

  46. Before the Dr. Helton Maganga, the longtime Chief Administrator of Coast Provincial General Hospital was the following:

    DR Khadija Sood Shikely
    Street: GPO Bldg DIgo Rd
    Town : Mombasa
    Tel: +(254) 41 2230303
    Country: KENYA
    Email: chiefadmin@cpgh.co.ke

    It is hard to read the telephone number and the email printed on the L. Smith Kenyan BC, which gives all the appearance of being bogus, but with a number of facts which are correct.

  47. Check out the cover of “The Weekly Standard”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/default.asp

  48. it’s b.s.
    total b.s.
    bravo sierra

    stay cued in on the British citizenship at birth

  49. Don’t have a hard source for this but a recent tweet says that Lieberman says no to health care bill!

  50. The Chalice Show

    “The Chalice Show is currently focused on two issues; The Elgibility Issue and the Citizen Grand Juries.”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/PatriotsHeartNetwork/2009/08/24/The-Chalice-Show

  51. Hi Kitty Kat,

    You meant it as a joke, but I have seen him many times stoned to the gills. Look at his lips. Usually they are purple when he has been snorting coke.

  52. Hi All, Even if his footprint is large–according to Larry Sinclair his pee pee is long but not big in girth. I take that to mean long and skinny–just like his flat footed feet.

  53. Someone call Orly and have her contact Rep Franks http://www.orlytaitzesq.com he needs

    lots more truth and info
    also needs Larry’s book !!

  54. twe, found this to back up your tweet
    AP on Lieberman

    http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=489635

  55. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”*

  56. Prairie–thanks. Glad to know it wasn’t just something someone said…

  57. Welcome Brenda! Very interesting stuff.

  58. TO:
    kittycat // August 23, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    My video that I showed of BO being high was just a joke, guys. It’s just something to laugh at. That’s all. Maybe I should have said it. I thought y’all would realize it.
    ============================

    OHHHHHHHH that was a joke? Is that why they call him the Socialism JOKER?

    Come on KittyCat (was he chewing a Kit Kat?)…..you have to give us a little more credit we are all intelligent Constitutionalists here.
    The joke was on you…LOL

  59. TO:
    Brenda // August 23, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Hi Kitty Kat,

    You meant it as a joke, but I have seen him many times stoned to the gills. Look at his lips. Usually they are purple when he has been snorting coke.
    ===============

    According to his former lover, Larry Sinclair, he hits teh crack pipe and doesn’t snort, UNLESS he picked up a new habit with one of the new lovers and is now snorting.

  60. TO:
    Bob // August 23, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    Before the Dr. Helton Maganga, the longtime Chief Administrator of Coast Provincial General Hospital was the following:

    DR Khadija Sood Shikely
    Street: GPO Bldg DIgo Rd
    Town : Mombasa
    Tel: +(254) 41 2230303
    Country: KENYA
    Email: chiefadmin@cpgh.co.ke

    It is hard to read the telephone number and the email printed on the L. Smith Kenyan BC, which gives all the appearance of being bogus, but with a number of facts which are correct.
    =====================

    Google Serach for “cpgh.co.ke” brings this up.
    BUT when entered as a website: http://www.cogh.co.ke NOTHING.

    Healthcare ClassifiedsEmail: chiefadmin@cpgh.co.ke. Dr Charles Migwe Wanyoike Street: Lyric Hse Kimathi St Town: NAIROBI Tel: +(254) 20 2212650. Country: KENYA …
    healthcareeastafrica.com/pediatricians.htm – Cached – Similar

  61. CNN–
    I’m sticking with the possibility that the footprint could be ligit if the document is also.
    All infants don’t have the tiny, tiny feet you are
    talking about.

    Have you ever had YOUR fingerprints done.
    They ROLL your finger around—makes them
    look huge. Pressure is used also.
    So based on that also, I believe the footprint
    could be an infant or young child.

  62. We could all end this country’s frustration
    with WHO THE H*LL is IN the Oval Office by
    a judge DEMANDING ALL of “Mystery Man”
    ?Soetoro’s documents NOW!!!!!!!!

    Enough is enough about this garbage. I don’t think another country on earth would put up with this kind of CRAP!

  63. ccwarrior // August 23, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Swine Flu: Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine and 30 days in prison
    +++++++++++
    So, what do people who have “allergies”
    to for example eggs do with this vaccine??
    I don’t think so!!!!!!!!!!

  64. BO’s sister Miya (sp) is with him in Martha’s Vineyard.

    hhhmmmm????

  65. Correct me if I’m wrong, but possession of crack is either a Class B or Class C felony, depending on how much you have.

    Wouldn’t it be a kick in the pants if the Resident went to jail for possession of crack?

  66. maddie // August 23, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Hi Maddie,

    Don’t know if the process to create the H1N1 vaccine is the same as seasomal flu, which does use eggs.

    That may be tough to find out because each pharma company may use its own methods, and those methods may be patented.

    Will see if I can get some idea as to how it’ll be made.

  67. I will apologize up front … it’s been a long weekend!
    Just can’t help myself ….

    Sue K @ 10:28

    You should ask Oprah about that one. ..

    I heard she got busted at the airport trying to smuggle 200 pounds of crack in her underwear!

  68. SueK—Hi Sue,
    Yes, I need to know about if this Swine vaccine
    is egg-based or has any egg product in it.
    I don’t believe they can force people who have
    allergies to take it, can they?

  69. Val // August 23, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Ahhh, Val, so *that’s* what the yo-yo weight business is all about.

    Ooohhhh……

  70. maddie // August 23, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    OK, Maddie, I’ll see if someone knows BUT, with several different manufacturers in the U.S. their processes may be different and they probably won’t give out ‘trade secrets.’

    Right now, they can’t force *anyone* to take it…remember that tape that ccwarrior posted was from New England Cable News and was specifically speaking about legislation in MA.

    Knowing that people have egg allergies leads me to believe that either they won’t use that process at all (if possible) or have another series of shots with no egg components for those who are allergic. At this point, we don’t know how this stuff is being made and how many companies are involved. Just another big question mark.

    In the near term, just be aware of one state passing legislation that *could* declare a public health emergency.

    I’ll be watching…

  71. Kitty Kat, that video was hilarious!

    Brenda, I think his lips are purple just because he is arabic… aka a “Mooslum.”

  72. The founding fathers were British Subjects who’s births were governed by the British Monarchy, same as Obama, they weren’t Natural Born Citizens. That’s why they needed a grandfather clause. Since Obama was not alive at the time of the signing of the Constitution & his birth, by his Own Admission, was Governed by the Same Monarchs, he’s PROHIBITED to be Prez. As a British Subject at birth the only he could EVER be Prez, by Article II Sec 1 is if he was Alive at the signing of the Constitution.

  73. I just received this in an email. I read it a long time ago and always thought it was a great idea. Think about the money that would be saved…

    Like most folks in this country, I have a job. I work, they pay me I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck in my case, I am required to pass a random urine test (with which I have no problem). What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test.

    So, here is my Question: Shouldn’t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

    Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass – doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money each state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

    I guess we could title that program, ‘Urine or You’re Out’.

  74. truthbetold11

    Birdie on the vineyard, isnt that special!

  75. The obvious questions: Senator Franks, what is it that you think you saw? Where is the document you actually affirmed?

    At least let Americans see the document so forensically we can evaluate it along with others to match its authenticity.

    Then: why are you not insisting on the long form which offers more detail?

    If they confirmed this yahoo from a website called factcheck.org – every one of ’em needs to be voted out!

    it’s flagrant irresponsibility!

  76. maddie // August 23, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    We could all end this country’s frustration
    with WHO THE H*LL is IN the Oval Office by
    a judge DEMANDING ALL of “Mystery Man”
    ?Soetoro’s documents NOW!!!!!!!!

    ******************************************

    Aw Maddie,

    Can feel your fustration lady. Your feelings are understood, but because Mr. ? is simply a pawn/puppet on a string, his handlers will prevent any Judge from making any sense of this “nightmare” until such time his purposes(s) have been fulfilled. Remember, Maddie, only one entity on this planet can defy the SOP and get away with it, and when the right time comes they should at least care enough to bring the country up to speed about why they installed Mr. ? in the first place. Meanwhile, continue to love your country as you do, and try–as differcult as it may seem–to accept what you cannot change. Something within my gut tells me he wasn’t codenamed “Renegade” because someone simply closed their eyes, opened a dictionary and pointed their index finger on a page.

    Sounds like you just want your country back, Maddie, completely understandable. This operation will eventually run its course. Please keep the faith.

  77. The Smith BC youtube has over 35,000 hits in one day!

  78. TO:
    Val // August 23, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    The Smith BC youtube has over 35,000 hits in one day!

    ================

    I am there battling like MAD. The Portuguese Man

  79. Peter,

    I saw that … I knew that was you!! … LOL !

    Go get ’em.

  80. The House has investigated ACORN but they keep giving them money! It’s time to stop funding ACORN!!!!

    U.S. House of Representatives
    Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has repeatedly and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud. Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate.
    Emerging accounts of widespread deceit and corruption raise the need for a criminal investigation of ACORN. By intentionally blurring the legal distinctions between 361 tax-exempt and non-exempt entities, ACORN diverts taxpayer and tax-exempt monies into partisan political activities. Since 1994, more than $53 million in federal funds have been pumped into ACORN, and under the Obama administration, ACORN stands to receive a whopping $8.5 billion in available stimulus funds.
    READ MOORE…….

    Click to access 20090723ACORNReport.pdf

  81. Good job Peter, good job!

  82. THIS IS THE STUPIDITY THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THIS COUNTRY, no wonder we have a fraud in the White House:

    melora72 has replied to your comment on Barack Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate / Lucas Smith / Coast Province General Hospital:

    Slavery existed when the Constitution was written and only landowners could vote. Things have changed in 300 years.

    Natural Born Citizen has never been clearly defined by law. By modern-day standards, being born in the US OR having one American parent is enough to qualify you as a natural born citizen.

    If he was born in Kenya, he would still be a NBC, but it would reveal a serious deception thatwould n ot be forgiven by the American people.

  83. We need to pass a LAW that makes it UNCONSTITUTIONAL to give any taxpayer money to find ANY effort to Register anyone to vote. It also shall be illegal to pass into the Elections Officer more than 4 individual registrations at a time within a 24 hours period and no multiplicles within 48 hrs of the deadline.

    If you can Vote your can Register to Vote on your own. If someone wants to volunteer to register someone to vote within the guidelines above FINE, but no PAYMENTS or hiring anyone to Register anyone else.

    This just a racket to hire LIE-berals and spread taxpayer money to the LIE-berals buddies while they get Taxpayer Paid CAMPAIGN WORKERS.

  84. FOOTPRINT.

    BTW that footprint doesn’t look that big now that I look at it again. It looks 2.5 – 3 inches that is not that big and like I said before that foot print could be of a child a few months old when they brought him in to register if born at home.

  85. Linda from NY

    Dear All: OT
    This information was sent to me by a dear friend. I hope you find comfort in it in your struggle to find the truth!

    *LAUS DEO*
    *Do you know what it means?
    *
    *LAUS DEO
    *

    *One detail that is never mentioned is that in Washington , D.C. there can never be a building of greater height than the Washington Monument* .

    *With all the uproar about removing the ten commandments, etc., this is worth a moment or two of your time. I was not aware of this amazing historical information.

    On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in Washington , D.C. , are displayed two words:/ Laus Deo.
    /*
    *No one can see these words. In fact, most visitors to the monument are totally unaware they are even there and for that matter, probably couldn’t care less.** *

    *Once you know/ Laus Deo’s/ history , you will want to share this with everyone you know. These words have been there for many years; they are 555 feet, 5.125 inches high, perched atop the monument, facing skyward to the Father of our nation, overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia , capital of the United States of America

    /Laus Deo!/ Two seemingly insignificant, unnoticed words. Out of sight and, one might think, out of mind, but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the most successful nation in the world.
    *
    */So, what do those two words, in Latin, composed of just four syllables and only seven letters, possibly mean? Very simply, they say ‘ Praise be to God!’
    /*
    *Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848, when James Polk was President of the United States , it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty-five years to finally cap the memorial with a tribute to the Father of our nation,/ Laus Deo/ ‘Praise be to God!’

    From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure, visitors may take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. From that vantage point, one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l’Enfant ..a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape, with the White House to the north. The Jefferson Memorial is to the south, the Capitol to the east and the Lincoln Memorial to the west.*

    *A cross you ask? Why a cross? What about separation of church and state? Yes, a cross; separation of church and state was not, is not, in the Constitution. So, read on. How interesting and, no doubt, intended to carry a profound meaning for those who bother to notice.

    Praise be to God! Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs the steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message. *

    * *On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore ;*
    * *on the 20th is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians;*
    * *on the 24th a presentation* *made by Sunday School children from
    New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7 , Luke 18:16 and
    Proverbs 22:6 . Praise be to God!*

    *When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be to God! Such was the discipline, the moral direction, and the spiritual mood given by the founder and first President of our unique democracy ‘One Nation, Under God.’

    I am awed by Washington ‘s prayer for America Have you ever read it? Well, now is your unique opportunity, so read on!

    **/ ‘ Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.’/*/ /

    */ Laus Deo!
    /*

    *When one stops to observe the inscriptions found in public places all over our nation’s capitol, he or she will easily find the signature of God, as it is unmistakably inscribed everywhere you look. You may forget the width and height of ‘Laus Deo ‘, its location, or the architects but no one who reads this will be able to forget its meaning, or these words: ‘Unless the Lord builds the house its builders labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain’ (Psalm 127: 1)

    It is hoped you will send this to every child you know; to every sister, brother, father, mother or friend. They will not find offense, because you have given them a lesson in history that they probably never learned in school. With that, be not ashamed, or afraid, but have pity on those who will never see this because someone failed to send it on.. *

  86. SueK,

    You might want to check out a company named Crucell (a Dutch Co, I think.)

    As I understand it, they developed a way to produce vaccines that does not use eggs, and they can produce the vaccines much faster. I read that many companies license this technology from them.

    The thing that worries me the most is that Baxter, the company that shipped lethal Avian flu virus to several countries in Europe, are one of the manufacturers of the vaccine. It was extremely fortunate that the companies that received the Avian flu virus, followed safety protocols and tested the vaccine before releasing it (the test animals all died.)

    Also, I read recently that there have been ‘adjuvants’ added to the usual flu vaccines, that have caused additional problems. And very few sites are mentioning that GBS (Guillain- Barre Syndrome) caused 25,000 deaths here in the mid 1970’s flu epidemic, so after that the vaccinations were canceled.

    It seems that these liberals are very intent on having everyone forced to take the flu shot(s). I
    can’t help but wonder if they will be getting the same vaccine as we peons, or if the plan is for us to be the target of this scare tactic …for as yet there is no pandemic here. With the NWO talking about reducing the world population to five hundred million people, is this another step in their scheme, so they can get their hands on whatever money and property that they have not already grabbed?

    Sorry to be a skeptic, but as yet none of them has been shown to be truthful, and this is another of their programs that is being rammed through, without our having any say about if we want to take flu shots or not. I trust ‘natural’ medicine a lot more than I trust the government or Big Pharma.

  87. I was wrong with the date on the townhall meeting.

    Trent Franks

    Community Church of Joy

    21000 N. 75th Ave., Glendale

    5 p.m. Aug. 25

    I plan on going, work close should be able to get there early. Hope to get inside.

  88. Fed-up Marine has guns blazing to oust Democrats

    ‘They’re destroying this nation, and while I’m still breathing, I will not let it happen’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107417

  89. Congressman eyes lawsuit over president’s eligibility

    Republican finds birth certificate sizzling topic at Arizona town hall

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107784

  90. Linda from NY:
    “Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government”??
    Isn’t our government supposed to be subordinate and obedient to the people?

    Do you know where there are other magnificent obelisks? In the City of London and the Vatican. Do you know that the District of Columbia, the City of London and the Vatican are countries of and to themselves? The District of Columbia commands the military might, the City of London has the wealth, and the Vatican has the religion to control men’s minds.
    What is an obelisk?
    “This vile structure has been worshipped by pagans for centuries and it represents the phallus which is also associated with sun and serpent worship. It was designed by Freemasons, named after a Freemason and the cornerstone laid in Masonic ritual. Therefore it is a sexual, pagan, satanic, Masonic idol that Christians should identify and avoid.”

    I’m sorry, Linda from NY, but this gives me no comfort.

  91. U.S. partner paid salary to al-Qaida ally
    American funds supported leader of group accused of killing Christians

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107738

  92. Obama was born a Brit and is still a Brit!

    Full URL:

    Short URL:

    M Publius Goat
    http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org/

  93. Obama is a Brit and is still a Brit!

    M Publius Goat

  94. TO:
    Kim // August 24, 2009 at 1:12 am

    Linda from NY:
    “Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government”??
    ===================

    I believe she was talking more about Praise be to God than the Monument. It is showing that no matter how big God is ABOVE ALL.

    Also it Proves, unlike what Erosionist lie about, that Religion and God were all over Gov’t. They had chappels, National Cathedral, Daily Prayer, etc. Religion was ALL OVER GOV’T. Freedom OF Religion not Freedom FROM Religion as it is interpreted today.

    Good Job Llinda I am passing it on for sure.

    Anyone that doesn;t believe Religion was all over gov’t just Search for Washington’s and Lincoln’s Thanksgiving Day Proclamation.
    It was ALL ABOUT GOD.

  95. TO:
    mtngoat61 // August 24, 2009 at 1:25 am

    Obama is a Brit and is still a Brit!

    M Publius Goat
    ===================

    Haven’t seen you in awhile.

    The founding fathers were British Subjects who’s births were governed by the British Monarchy, same as Obama, they weren’t Natural Born Citizens. That’s why they needed a grandfather clause. Since Obama was not alive at the time of the signing of the Constitution & his birth, by his Own Admission, was Governed by the Same Monarchs, he’s PROHIBITED to be Prez. As a British Subject at birth the only he could EVER be Prez, by Article II Sec 1 is if he was Alive at the signing of the Constitution.

  96. Linda from NY and PRWH, actually Washington DC was designed as a pentagram, not a cross. A pentagram is a satanic and a Masonic symbol. I am glad they added the Laus Deo. But to whose God are they refering?

  97. If the Smith BC is real, it is only a copy of a long form BC.

    It could have been printed from a scanned file or photocopied from an original. Either way, we have no idea if the document was even printed or copied at 100% scale and certainly a copy or printout isn’t going to reflect exactly a pure authentic footprint.

    I have to admit, for now, I am kinda on the fence about this Kenyan BC. I would be interested to know more…

    Just my 2¢.

  98. We are all on teh FENCE about ANY BC, but it just thickens the plot and makes it more necessary to have an INVESTIGATION into teh Truth.

  99. TO:
    KIM

    Washington Mention Jesus CHRIST our LORD. SO clearly it is a Christian God.

  100. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kim,

    There are thousands of obelisks in the world, mostly in Egypt, where they abound. And no city in Egypt is its own country…actually of London, the Vatican City State and DC, only the Vatican City State is its own country…

    But like other obelisks in the city of Rome (there is one at the piazza infront of the Lateran, all of them have been exorcised, blessed, and have small fragments of the True Cross of Jesus Christ, enshrined in a silver globe, affixed on top with the Cross…to symbolize the triumph of the True Light over this world of darkness and its lord…

    So you’re information has some glaring deficiencies…

  101. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    About babies feet,

    The baby I saw, was 3 months old, and his foot was no more than 1.5 inches….like I said, Smith’s BC’s foot garantuan…and too uniformly black, like it was printed from a silloette on a laser printer…

  102. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    PF,

    If the BG is turning on Kennedy, it must mean that big wigs in the Party have realized that the creature Kennedy put in the White House is their nemesis and undoing…

    I’d expect that after Obama, if we still have free elections, the Dems won’t get a candidate in the White House for another generation, and never be given a majority in either house of congress for at least 40 years….so odious have them made themselves…

  103. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    “all of them” in my obelisk post, refers to “all of them at Rome, in the Vatican and in the city”…

  104. Afghan War Deteriorating:

    Where are the Human Shields?

    Where is Code Pink?

    Where is Cindy Sheehan?

    Where is the Body Counts? The Flag Draped Caskets?

    Where are teh calls of WARMONGER WARMONGER?

    ETC. OHHH I forgot a Democrat is in Power it’s all good. Teh Media can go to sleep like they did during the Election (in Oabama’s Bed).

  105. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107417

    Here is one gutsy ex Marine running for congress in AZ…

    where does he stand on the NBC issue, Arizonans?

  106. “We are all on teh FENCE about ANY BC, but it just thickens the plot and makes it more necessary to have an INVESTIGATION into teh Truth.”

    Seemed like I read a few naysayers–perhaps I was mistaken.

  107. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The Smith BC is a fraud: my reasoning…

    First I presume nothing, and put my presumption of fraud or presumption of authenticity meter at 0%

    Then I consider the facts

    1) the purveyor has history of fraud…this immediately shifts the presumption that the BC is a fraud to 100%

    2) Baby footprint too big for newborn, too uniform for an actual print, fraud meter pinned at 100%

    3) Form noticeable different from others of the period, fraud meter pinned at 100%

    4) Form on Letter sized paper, used in USA, not A4, like is used in rest of world, fraud meter pinned at 100%

    5) Possesor of form won’t show it openly, fraud meter pinned at 100%

    ———-

    And yes, I have not reviewed the video enhancement yet…

  108. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Dear Bloggers,

    Those of you with blogs, that allow banning a poster via their IP, I think it would be in the interest of National Security, to make a list of these Obot ips, assembling the data from all the pro Constitution blogs…that way we could work on identifying these operatives, and finding out if they are actually being paid for by ACORN or the White House….

  109. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    It would also help ferret out double-agents, by identifying which ips are Obots on some sites, which pretend to be patriots on others…

    One thing is for sure, we need to get more organized in defending ourselves, and that means going on the “attack”…

    I’d love it if a patriot lawyer would then use this ip list, to get a nation wide injunction against these folks for conspiring to squelch freedom of speech, and for spreading lies, defamation, detraction, etc…

  110. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Some states have cyber bulling laws, and we could get the prosecuted for that in those jurisdictions…

  111. CNN —

    What do we have to authenticate?

    1. We have the Kenyan Grandmother’s testimony;

    2. We have the 1st Wife’s London newspaper interview;

    3. We have the Houston-based African News headline;

    4. We have the Kenyan Parliament celebration;

    5. We have the Kenyan ambassador’s radio interview from Detroit, Michigan;

    6. We have the name and seal of the present chief administrator of CPGH, Mombasa;

    7. We have the name of a prominent pediatrician who ACTUALLY practiced in Mombasa in the late 1950’s, a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church;

    8. We have the name of his living son, a photographer;

    9. We have the name of his living daughter, a prominent jurist in Nairobi;

    Compared with what we have from Hawaii —

    1. Competing hospital birth claims;

    2. Newspaper announcement lists only Grandmother’s address;

    3. Father’s address is discovered to be in fact a bachelor pad;

    4. Mother’s 6 month’s missing whereabouts;

    5. Hawaiian COLB available even for children born overseas;

    6. Hawaiian health officials curious and vague in their pronouncements, with the timing of their press releases suspect relative to election campaign;

    7. Obama a known liar concerning aliases.

    On balance, despite some obvious problems with the documentation (that you have rightly pointed out) — The Kenyan evidence strongly outweighs the stuff we have from Hawaii!

    That would NORMALLY be a huge problem for POTUS, with a lot of explaining to do, except for the fact that we have a seriously compromised Press Corps.

  112. The emphasis to Franks should be on the admission BY OBAMA HIMSELF that he held dual citizenship at birth (provide the Judge Story – founder of Harvard Law School – definition of NBC) and that a very real unanswered question TODAY is the man’s CURRENT citizenship status and outline the facts (use Apuzzo’s case) that point to Obama as possibly, probably, STILL being a British Citizen. Otherwise everything will once again get stalled on what has been produced by the Obama side mingled with the embarrassment of politicians who do not wish to be associated with “birthers”. IOW, give him CURRENT unanswered questions that need to be solved by the truthful revelation of Obama’s history – like his Indonesian records, school records, health records, passport records, etc. Let him know that there are more facts that cause doubt of CURRENT citizenship status BEYOND birth certificates that argue only place of birth rather than all the other background questions that need to be made known about him.

  113. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 24, 2009 at 2:42 am

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107417

    This was the Warrior I was talking about last week. Someone we can all focus on and be a breath of fresh air. His ad is on top of the Drudgereport everyday.

    GO JESSE KELLY

  114. PRWHPF–great piece on Kennedy…and out of the Globe no less!

  115. Kim–you’ve had some interesting posts. Keep posting.

  116. Pingback: Rep. Trent Franks May Bring Eligibility Suit – WND and CitizenWells – Admiral Mullens’ Afghanistan Doubts – « “The BOPAC Report” & Larry Sinclair’s Allegations – ZachJonesIsHome

  117. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Bob,

    I never denied the known facts…I am only talking about the bogus nature of the Smith Kenyan BC…

    Anyone can take facts and forge a BC…

    I am continually amazed how so many folks have not learned anything about the controversies regarding the Bomford BC and the Kenyan BC proffered to Orly…

  118. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    nor anything from those controversies…like how to doubt, when to doubt, and why to doubt…and why distinguishing between authentic facts and forged documents that attest to known facts is necessary here..

  119. Tanya Tarr on why Democrats should love unions:

  120. cnn–well, sometimes people are just vocalizing their thought processes. Nothing helps you sort things out better than to get it out from your head to paper or voice. It helps to be able to do that. And, CW is a great way to be able to do so. Not everyone comes from the same background. Brainstorming is good. And, what one person says, or the way a person says something, might just be the trigger to solving some issue.

  121. The Federal Communications has actual regulations requiring the Media to have campaigns only for ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES according to state and federal laws, including the President and Vice President. The Mainstream Media giants violated federal regulations by knowing allowing somebody not eligible to run for office. The FCC has actual regulations to shut them down for violation of national laws.

    Interesting I thought. Who wouldn’t like to see Tingles and Madcow behind bars?!

    Click to access 47cfr73.1940.pdf

  122. Prarie-“The FCC has actual regulations to shut them down for violation of national laws. ”
    Question: Could they now show what they used?, as opposed to just referencing the COLB that they wave on air.
    Media-How many stations, companies could this represent?
    What are the penalties for providing erroneous information?
    Everyone will probably have lots more questions.
    This is very enlightening.

  123. Nice find Prairie. All and broadcaster has to point to is the DNC’s signed affidavit stating Zer0 meets the eligibility clause. But it interesting..

  124. Thanks, twe.
    I’m glad that you found my posts interesting.

    My faith lies in God, not in man. Personally, I think that man messes up much that he touches, including religion.

  125. citizenwells

    Kim.
    Amen

  126. GG- but when did the DNC sign this? And isn’t Pelosi’s signature on that? Wouldn’t the MSM attack the DNC and Pelosi to cover their own a$$?

  127. CNN —

    There is enough NEW facts that ought to require a hearing for AUTHENTICATION.

    You talk about KNOWN facts — what we are constantly getting are NEW INFORMATION that actually turn out to be FACTUAL. That’s what’s different here! And, it IS different that what might have been anticipated.

    That’s not so easy to dismiss. It’s not simply a rehash. So, the Press ought to be on the job, BUT THEY AREN’T!

  128. Prairie, I am not sure exactly when she signed it but yes she did and it was probably after the nomination. Also I think that it would have to be shown that they knowingly gave air time to an unqualified candidate.

  129. Prairie-wouldn’t you have to start with original Nancy Pelosi document-she would have to show her due diligence, from there she passes her work off to DNC, DNC to the media. Follow original document (with supporting documentation) thru entire system. Forensic documentation examination, much like forensic accountants do when they are examining fraud cases: Madoff, insurance scams, Chinese wallboard mess. As far as I know you have to go back to the original. I think Ms. Pelosi has some major issues coming up. I’m still torn between incompetent or corrupt, maybe a little of both or a little insanity one of my girlfriends who is a Republican was going to vote for Hillary and she insists Nancy wanted Hillary out of the way so she could be first female president. She was able to follow election cycle closely I was not, so I don’t know what she saw/heard to get her to that conclusion.

  130. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Michelle,

    I go lite when judging women, but I know an senior Italian-American lady, who positively despises Pelosi, saying that she is evil, mad, and power-mad..her emotions are totally out of control, and she is totally dishonest and inept…and that’s one Italian who used to be a life long dem about another Italian lady roughly the same age…so she should know…

  131. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Praire,

    Note that that FCC regulation says that the candidates must meet the requirements of the law regarding eligibility…

    But what law specifies NBC…the argument most Obots use, is that there is no law, only the Constitution, which is technically not a law…

    How does one answer this?

  132. http://www.riseupforamerica.com

    Grand Jurys and more on the move!!

  133. SueK-Remember when doctors and drug companies were honorable.
    In 1955 Salk’s years of research paid off. Human trials of the polio vaccine effectively protected the subject from the polio virus. When news of the discovery was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a miracle worker. He further endeared himself to the public by refusing to patent the vaccine. He had no desire to profit personally from the discovery, but merely wished to see the vaccine disseminated as widely as possible.
    Salk’s vaccine was composed of “killed” polio virus, which retained the ability to immunize without running the risk of infecting the patient. A few years later, a vaccine made from live polio virus was developed, which could be administered orally, while Salk’s vaccine required injection. Further, there was some evidence that the “killed” vaccine failed to completely immunize the patient. In the U.S., public health authorities elected to distribute the “live” oral vaccine instead of Salk’s. Tragically, the preparation of live virus infected some patients with the disease, rather than immunizing them. Since the introduction of the original vaccine, the few new cases of polio reported in the United States were probably caused by the “live” vaccine which was intended to prevent them.
    In countries where Salk’s vaccine has remained in use, the disease has been virtually eradicated

  134. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    SueK,

    In that article there is this stunning admission:

    –“There’s little doubt we’re going to vaccinate people,” said Anthony S. Fauci of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who is leading the government’s testing of the vaccine. “Who and when and exactly how — we have to figure out.” —

    Not over my dead body!….what chutzpah!

  135. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Also in that article:

    —-The CDC is formulating a $4.8 million multimedia campaign to encourage people to get vaccinated and help alleviate concerns and confusion, including radio and television public service announcements, print ads, and messages delivered via Twitter, RSS feeds and video podcasts on YouTube. —-

    Here we know what forums there going to use, so we can counter in those same forum the misinformation Obamaggedon is spreading…

    DONT LET THE USURPER VACCINALIMINATE YOU!

    should be our motto!

  136. Bob-

    Awesome list of reasons.

    Jody

  137. freeUSA // August 24, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Morning freeUSA,

    I’m not familiar with Crucell, but will see what I can find on them.

    At last check, Baxter will be spreading their junk around Europe…The U.S. has *not* approved their vaccine.

    Working from this end on the adjuvant question. Please read the Post article I posted at 10:17AM. The adjuvant I’m really concerned with is the Novartis adjuvant, which contains squalene; this is thought to be the main culprit in causing Gulf War Syndrome. ‘Insiders’ are checking on that.

    This whole thing is a scare tactic. If you were around in 1976, that ‘swine flu emergency’ fell flat and people were vaccinated for nothing…and some contracted Guillain- Barre from those shots. There was also an H5N1 (Avian flu) scare in 2005; that never materialized, either. Yeah, preparedness is a good thing, but don’t send the public into a panic by counting chickens before they hatch.

    This one may very well be a bust, too.

    Never apologize for being a skeptic-I think we’re all there at this point.

    Let me just say again that you will NOT be forced to take this two-shot combo *unless* either a public health emergency is declared in your state, or ‘they’ declare martial law. If given the choice (which we all have right now), stay away from this vaccine. Untested, unproven, long-term side effects unknown.

    More info as I get it.

  138. The Smith youtube now has almost 55,000 hits and he has posted an update on it.

  139. Michelle // August 24, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Morning Michelle,

    Thanks for your post.

    Yes, I certainly do remember a time when doctor’s and pharma’s only interest was treating/curing the patient. While most doctors are still in ‘that’ business, big pharma has become a whore to the almighty buck. I come from that industry and can say that from first hand experience.

    Many have said that the cures for diseases like cancer, MS, Lupus, etc. are out there however, in curing these diseases, pharma would go broke. It’s much more profitable for them to keep us sick. Sad, isn’t it?

    I remember the polio epodemic well in fact, a dear neighbor was the victim of the ‘live’ vaccine and contracted polio. She lived beyond her life expectation for her condition (paralyzed from the neck down and on a ventilator) but passed several years ago; it could’ve been prevented.

    Quite a testament to big pharma, eh?

  140. Patriot Dreamer

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 24, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Praire,

    Note that that FCC regulation says that the candidates must meet the requirements of the law regarding eligibility…

    But what law specifies NBC…the argument most Obots use, is that there is no law, only the Constitution, which is technically not a law…

    How does one answer this?
    ****************************************
    Tell them that the Constitution is the supreme law of this land. It is the legal authority from which all other laws in this country are derived.

  141. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 24, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Morning CNN,

    Yup, they’ll vaccinate alright, but they won’t vaccinate **US.**

    I’m sure that other states have received a porkulus windfall as well as MA, to mount a campaign to vaccinate, and to obtain the shots to the tune of a couple million dollars.

    You see, the amount of panic is directly proportional to the number of people consenting to the shots, and this is exactly what they want to happen.

    I ain’t going there, and neither are you and the savvy bloggers here at CW.

    Work to do…back in a bit!

  142. Al—Thank you so much for your kind advise
    and understanding. Yes, I’m frustrated along
    with most of this country by now I would
    guess. I will cont. to fight and attend Tea
    Parties, mtgs. I just need more patience, I guess.
    Thanks again!!!!!!!!

  143. Peter,

    I see you over there fighting the cause …. keep up the good work!

  144. SueK-“in curing these diseases, pharma would go broke”. In my mind that makes them murders and torturers. The doctors are trying to live up to their Hippocratic oath and I guess you could say Big Pharma is working against them. It is beyond time for a revolution in the pharmaceutical industry. We all want to make a decent living that’s just life in the practical lane, but I guess TOTAL GREED, swept away anything to do with conscience. Another wild and crazy thing is researchers like Dr. Salk are not money kind of people, they are just happy in the lab, making discoveries, it’s in the implementation where this went awry.

  145. Civis Naturaliter Natus-My girlfriend (youngish) who spotted Pelosi as a phony is also Italian. I am not Italian. I wonder what the Italian ladies can see. I think Pelosi is just plain nuts-with some real power trip issues. If that’s a governing style it only works one way-in reverse.

  146. Michelle.
    Well put.

  147. CNN- you state:
    But what law specifies NBC…the argument most Obots use, is that there is no law, only the Constitution, which is technically not a law…

    How does one answer this?

    Simple really, laws do define who is not a NBC. I am a painter. There are three primary colors: red, blue, and yellow- NBC status is like the color red, defined as not blue or yellow. There is a spectrum of colors, but, no secondary colors can make red. No secondary citizenship can make NBC. Or more simply, I am a girl because I am NOT a boy.

  148. The US Constitution is the foundation for all laws.

  149. Brenda: You meant it as a joke, but I have seen him many times stoned to the gills. Look at his lips. Usually they are purple when he has been snorting coke.

    Yes, it was a joke, but probably more close to truth. Go back and notice the special effects again.

  150. Prairie-Thank you for the great analogy re: colors, isn’t funny that everyone comes from different occupations and deduce problems re: eligibility based on their skills involving their occupations. My family is in construction every since we were small children we were on the job site with Daddy. Our jobs when we were small was to clean up the job site for the next group of professionals. My father was a cement man and carpenter, we were expected to do a good job and we did. You also learn a lot. My analogy would be The Constitution is the foundation of the building, it that cracks, breaks is not cured properly the whole building, structure will collapse. That collapse could be immediate or structural damage, cracks etc. slow. In the end it will collapse under its own weight.

  151. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 24, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Praire,

    Note that that FCC regulation says that the candidates must meet the requirements of the law regarding eligibility…

    But what law specifies NBC…the argument most Obots use, is that there is no law, only the Constitution, which is technically not a law…

    How does one answer this?

    ***************************************

    Constitution is the law

  152. We all need a good laugh every now and then.

    Huckabee’s Opinion: 8/22

    The POTUS can read from his TOTUS which he does even when he’s just introducing someone for the SCOTUS
    READ MORE…….

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=8555428&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/huckabee/index.html

  153. Where do people come up with this garbage from? Only one parent needs to be an American? Even if he was born in Krnya he would still be a NBC? Total Ignorance !!! A NBC is one born in a Country of citizen Parents, period.

  154. From the Obama File: To me 9/11 is a day of sadness and a day of deep reflection on the horrible events of that day. In no way should it be politicized by anybody. For the victims families nothing will ever be the same, they will live with a pain that those of us who were not direct victims will never understand.
    There is something I did notice though thinking about this: The New York firefighters and police ran toward these buildings to save lives, as opposed to our gutless representatives who are running away from the citizens at town hall meetings. The differences in these two groups is beyond glaring. Hero’s on one side, gutless wonders on the other.
    Obama’s Plan To Desecrate 9/11
    Obama is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert 9/11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.
    This effort to reshape the American psyche has nothing to do with healing the nation and everything to do with easing the nation along in the ongoing radical transformation of America that Obama promised during last year’s election campaign. Obama signed into law a measure in April that designated 9/11 as a National Day of Service, but it’s not likely many lawmakers thought this meant that day was going to be turned into a celebration of ethanol, carbon emission controls, and radical community organizing.
    Obama’s plans were outlined in an August 11, 2009, White House-sponsored teleconference call run by Obama ally Lennox Yearwood, president of the Hip Hop Caucus, and Liv Havstad, the group’s senior vice president of strategic partnerships and programs.
    On the August 11th call, Yearwood and other leaders kept saying repeatedly that they wanted 9/11 to be used for something “positive,” “forward-leaning,” and “productive,” said a source with knowledge of the teleconference.
    The plan is to turn a “day of fear” that helps Republicans into a day of activism called the National Day of Service that helps the left. In other words, nihilistic liberals are planning to drain 9/11 of all meaning.
    “They think it needs to be taken back from the right,” said the source. “They’re taking that day and they’re breaking it because it gives Republicans an advantage. To them, that day is a fearful day.”

  155. Margie-A NBC is one born in a Country of citizen Parents, period. Maybe they get this from being raised in a single parent household. Those of us who grew up with 2 parents know that the mother and father RULE. I hope most of us were blessed enough to have two parents, but unfortunately some parents do become widows and widowers. I’m from a big family and children who were from mothers of many multiple marriages were always at our house. They were looking for something that they were not getting at home, maybe just the luxury of just being a kid. I always got the feeling those poor kids were missing something that was very important to them. They were like little sad old before their time people.

  156. Michelle // August 24, 2009 at 10:48 am

    You bet big pharma is working against the docs, Michelle.

    You also know about the perks pharma gives to docs for prescribing ‘their’ drug. While they’re trying to do away with that business, the payola for docs will always be there.

    Funny, when you go to the doc with (whatever) medical complaint, how often are you given a ‘sample’ of a medication, followed closely by a prescription for that same med? No diagnosis, but here’s a pill. It’s like putting a Band-Aid on a broken leg, if you ask me.

    Pay-to-play is alive and well in the pharmaceutical industry.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if ALL docs and researchers actually worked to help people, rather than worship the almighty buck? Dr. Salk would be *so* pleased….

  157. Michelle-
    Using your analogy, I’d say DC was built on swamp land and sinking fast.

    One of my senators, Tim Johnson, just changed his leaning on HC after Barry appointed his son (Brendan Johnson) states AG. ****head! Like Dashel, Johnson is famous for buying/rigging votes on the Indian Reservations.

  158. SueK-Mercifully I am on no drugs. We were blessed in Illinois to have an old fashioned GP-also physician and surgeon, and a displaced person from WW2. You did not get medication unless absolutely necessary. None-very old fashioned. Most things I get I can fix with an aspirin, but I know not everyone is so blessed.
    When we were little kids we had a neighbor who was under psychiatric care for 36 years. Drug addict due to doctors, husband had very good insurance. To see that from when you are little on-horrible. Each doctor over the years different diagnosis and a pill for it. Soon she was on everything, everyday all day long. Much like Elvis, Anna Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson. I cried when I saw the Anna Nicole stuff, that was our neighbor-so screwed up with this garbage in their systems. Our neighbor was so beautiful naturally-Anna Nicole was a magician with make-up. Couple of years on all that garbage our neighbor looked like an old hag. She blew up like Anna Nicole, looked to me like their bodies were retaining water somehow, other times she looked like a concentration camp victim. Sometimes lucid, sometimes not-rambling and very whiny I know I tried to escape from her clutches when she got me by the mailbox, it was horrible one solid hour of God knows what. Terrible thing to witness, but God love her she did try but the drugs take over something. Yet both of the ladies were very loving mothers. I think they both suffered from really mean mother syndrome. There was something not right with Anna Nicole’s mother, to me she was scary mean.

  159. I went to the Jackson-Lee townhall on Saturday. Total snow job complete with a whining ACORN leader holding a baby explaining the inaffordability of healthcare.They had a violin player while waiting on Queen Sheila to arrive.She took about 10 questions told a concerned business owner he would not be a part of the pie graph represented as those to be hit with a “surcharge”.He reiterated his knowledge of the IRS being able to keep up with businesses out of compliance for not covering their employees and she pointed out that it was not a “penalty” he would get hit with it was a “surcharge”. I hope he felt better.
    I quoted Margaret Thatcher’s the problem with socialism line that eventually you run out of other people’s money and had her respond. She of course denied that this bill was socialist….
    Anyway what was funny was that I had planned on using a bullhorn but these was a question as to the city’s property and church property so I blew it off and went in to ask a question. Tons of cops about 8 Acorn suckers. Two of her staff asked about my bullhorn I had thrown over my shoulder I reassured them that i had no intention of using it in the church.
    Later my husband told me that I should have said I will only use it if Jackson-Lee anwsers a call on her cell phone. I did film alot while there.

  160. Regarding vaccines:
    My boys just went back to school and I have a stack of forms to fill out. The REQUIRED health form states:
    “Signing this form gives the school district permission to perform various health screenings throughout the year. . . If it is impossible for the school to reach me, I authorize the school to make whatever arrangements it seems necessary.”

    All parents READ THE FINE PRINT!

  161. Magna Carta.
    Thanks for the report.
    Are you going to post the “film” here or on YouTube?
    Let me know, I will put it up.
    Wells

  162. Michelle–the Italian ladies see someone who says she is a Catholic but does not uphold/follow the teachings of the Church.

  163. SueK–a person who I know who is a Democrat and voted for O saw the article on required vaccinations or quarantine or $1000/day fine and sent me back the response–Wow! This is really scary. This person doesn’t believe the vaccine is safe and believes they will only get the seasonal flu shot. This person also has a severely disabled child.

  164. The “Help Protect Our Liberty” advertising and education drive needs all our help. Please visit and help if you can:

    http://www.protectourliberty.org/

    M Publius Goat

  165. I just got off the phone with Congressman Franks office. He said that he did not say he would pursue a lawsuit, but rather that he would pursue looking into this. I also explained that it is much more than the long form birth certificate. I further stated that he had to simultaneously ask for the college records and passport records to be opened up to fully understand the depth of this. The staffer said they have been flooded by calls today about the birth issue and he took my message down, in great detail, and promised to pass it along to the Congressman. Everyone needs to call and relay this same information. He can get a fake birth certificate, but he cannot forge the passport and college records as well. These elements are critical to bringing about the truth!

  166. SCRUB ALERT!! I think we should try to collect photos – man, this is going to sound weird – of Obama’s bare feet, before the obots scrub (no pun intended) them all. I may have already seen this happening at Huffington Post:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/obama-shirtless-in-hawaii_n_152873.html

    Anyway, it’s an idea I thought I’d throw out there before it was too late. This Smith birth certificate looks like it very well could be legitimate.

    The Lame Cherry article was excellent – thanks for posting it! He’s a pretty sharp guy (I can’t believe that a woman would write some of the racy stuff that Lame Cherry churns out!).

  167. Lie to whomever and whenever.

    Tell the shot nazis you just got over the swine flu and therefore have the ammunities….

    My son was sick Friday and I was HOPING it was swine flu because Tamaflu works on it and then he would have an excuse not to take it. We will be lying or flying because we will NOT roll up our sleeves for any one

    It was strep but the doctor said that now that school is back in, they are seeing at least 5 cases of swine a day. He also said that they don’t expect a vaccine until November at the earliest.

  168. twe // August 24, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    SueK–a person who I know who is a Democrat and voted for O saw the article on required vaccinations or quarantine or $1000/day fine and sent me back the response–Wow! This is really scary. This person doesn’t believe the vaccine is safe and believes they will only get the seasonal flu shot. This person also has a severely disabled child.
    ****************************************
    Hi twe,

    OK, we need to remember that this is only a preparedness *plan* should a public health emergency be declared however, I’m glad that your Obot friend has taken off the blinders. YAY!

    I don’t believe the shot is safe, either; perhaps if they had sufficient time to fully test it and get rid of the adjuvant (or not add it in the first place) these shots may be worth consideration. As it is now however, no.

    This person also needs to look at all the immunizations his/her child had as an infant. Did you notice the exploding incidence of Autism, ADD, ADHD, and other disabling diseases/afflictions kids have been diagnosed with over the last 20 years or so? Sorry, but I don’t attribute that to ‘improved screening procedures.’

    You’ve gotta ask yourself what was in those shots? Again, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it seems like nearly every child these days has some sort of physical/mental issue. And all that would be brought on by what, exactly?

    Hmmm…..

  169. Disgusted.
    I finally got my request to meet with him to go through on his website.
    We shall see what transpires.
    Bottom line – we are watching them all.

  170. sandy // August 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Good on ya, Sandy-stick to your guns!

    Surprisingly, we may see a *decrease* in swine as the weather gets cooler, the reason being that swine likes warm weather, while the seasonal flu thrives in cold.

    Glad that your son just had strep…I know that’s serious, but at least it wasn’t some unknown/untreatable bug.

    Keep your head held up, and your sleeve rolled down.

  171. SueK- You may already know about this:
    Dr Howard Jarvis
    Explores the miracle health benefits of organic, raw apple cider vinegar, a natural detox, antibiotic and antiseptic that fights germs and bacteria
    google to: Cancer-Soundwaves lots of articles on this. I saw the man who invented this on TV. He was in the hospital due to his cancer-non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma but while he was there he was in with a lot of small children who had cancer. When he left the hospital, the children haunted him. He said there must be a better way for treating these children. He had been a sound engineer before he retired. Then curiosity and imagination met-he attacked his wife’s pie pans and experimented with sound waves-off to doctor researchers, they felt he was really on to something. Possible big Pharma freaking and want to get the last nickel before this comes in-I don’t know. Lots of articles on this. This cure if it works will not help this man, does not work in his case or he is too advanced in the disease. He did it so the children did not have to suffer especially from the chemo side effects.
    Poor St. Jude with all these troubles in the US, we are going to work that poor saint to death.

  172. This is an excellent compilation, Bob, which I will pass around. As far as collecting ips, I know whom we should start with!

    “CNN –

    What do we have to authenticate?

    1. We have the Kenyan Grandmother’s testimony;

    2. We have the 1st Wife’s London newspaper interview;

    3. We have the Houston-based African News headline;

    4. We have the Kenyan Parliament celebration;

    5. We have the Kenyan ambassador’s radio interview from Detroit, Michigan;

    6. We have the name and seal of the present chief administrator of CPGH, Mombasa;

    7. We have the name of a prominent pediatrician who ACTUALLY practiced in Mombasa in the late 1950’s, a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church;

    8. We have the name of his living son, a photographer;

    9. We have the name of his living daughter, a prominent jurist in Nairobi;

    Compared with what we have from Hawaii –

    1. Competing hospital birth claims;

    2. Newspaper announcement lists only Grandmother’s address;

    3. Father’s address is discovered to be in fact a bachelor pad;

    4. Mother’s 6 month’s missing whereabouts;

    5. Hawaiian COLB available even for children born overseas;

    6. Hawaiian health officials curious and vague in their pronouncements, with the timing of their press releases suspect relative to election campaign;

    7. Obama a known liar concerning aliases.

    On balance, despite some obvious problems with the documentation (that you have rightly pointed out) — The Kenyan evidence strongly outweighs the stuff we have from Hawaii!

    That would NORMALLY be a huge problem for POTUS, with a lot of explaining to do, except for the fact that we have a seriously compromised Press Corps.

    Bob // August 24, 2009 at 7:13 am

  173. Michelle // August 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Thanks, Michelle.

    Yes, I’ve heard about this and I believe that nature has provided us with all that we need to fight virtually anything out there.

    I’ll check into the soundwaves a bit more…interesting.

    And I really don’t think St. Jude minds; after all, he’s with us for impossible and hopeless cases. That’s his job, and he’s very good at it!

  174. Vitamin D3 is strongly recommended to boost immunity.

  175. Michelle // August 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    twe, I have a 15 year supply…..

  176. Sorry, twe…that was a response for you, but I’m sure Michelle knows about it too -;

  177. SueK–I am there… when I run out!

    1242–you go CW!!

  178. Prairie -In Chicago where I’m from this is called patronage. If you were Tim Johnson wouldn’t you be insulted if you were even asked to this to change your vote. This is such obvious patronage I wonder if it’s against the law-bribery etc.? Some of these senators and representatives are so begging to get voted out of office. We are keeping score and when the next election comes, bye bye to all of the evil doers (whichever method they picked).

  179. Jacqlyn Smith

    Below is from http://www.americasright.com/

    There are other good posts there as well…if you have time go there and read and leave your own comments. 🙂

    “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““
    Hurry Up and Retire

    In a nutshell, this is why I don’t like Arlen Specter. Even when, from a distance, it seems as though he’s doing good, upon closer inspection you realize that he’s only doing it, whatever it is, for his own gain.

    In this case, a Fox News piece yesterday detailed how Specter was speaking out against an end-of-life care guide, entitled “Your Life, Your Choices,” that had been suspended under the Bush administration but revived under the current administration’s Department of Veterans’ Affairs, calling for hearings into what an official in the previous administration deemed a “hurry up and die” message being given to veterans.

    For anyone who saw or heard Chris Wallace’s interviews on Fox News Sunday, it was amazing — despite being an absolute hero in her own right (she suffered catastrophic injuries in Iraq, which resulted in the amputation of her legs), Assistant Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs Tammy Duckworth maintained, over and over again, that the manual was not reinstated despite being shown example after example that it was.

    Specter stated that the guide raises “a lot of questions.”

    On its face, Arlen Specter’s decision to bring the “Your Life, Your Choices” guide a little more scrutiny could be a good one, right? Well, the problem is that Specter himself voted for the so-called “stimulus” package despite knowing that it had all sorts of end-of-life consequences in it for all seniors, not just for veterans. He did so because, at the time, the world was in love with Barack Obama, and he felt as though Pennsylvanians thought the stimulus was needed. Fast-forward to now and, with his poll numbers dwindling in the Keystone State (home to the nation’s second-largest population of seniors, next to Florida), Specter is suddenly concerned about seniors being told to “hurry up and die,” already?

    Specter does what’s right, politically, for Arlen Specter. Frazzled after being endlessly criticized for supporting the stimulus bill, he opposed “card check” legislation despite flipping and flopping publicly on the issue within a matter of weeks, knowing that he needed to assuage his base. Sobered due to the reality that he likely would not prevail in a GOP primary in 2010, Specter switched parties, publicly acknowledging that he did so for his own political gain.

    Specter has nobody in mind but Arlen Specter. And, so, when I see faux outrage like this over a subject worthy of genuine outrage, it makes me dislike my senator even more.

    Most elected officials at least try to hide their own hypocrisy. I, for one, would love for someone to stand up and ask the senator whether, at 75 and 78 years of age, he would have been able to obtain several brain surgeries and rounds of chemotherapy under the “public option” at the center of the Democrats’ health care reform. Ask him about how his particular health care needs comport with the very model he’s advocating, at the heart of which are Tom Daschle’s argument that seniors like Specter “should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.”

    Every single time Senator Specter opens his mouth, I wonder more and more whether it is hypocrisy rather than blood that his heart pumps through his veins. Out of any other elected official, Democrat, Republican or somewhere in between, I would feel good about someone in Washington truly looking out for our veterans by shining the light of congressional scrutiny on this end-of-life care guide. Coming from Specter, however, I know that his motives aren’t genuine.

    He might say that I have a “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” type of attitude toward him, and he would be right. The thing is, what he doesn’t realize is that any person or politician must earn the right to be given the benefit of the doubt. Specter, instead, is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with American politics at this day and age. Self-serving? Check. Elitist? Check. Out-of-touch? Check. Willing to depart from principles in order to curry favor and win re-election? What principles?

    Forget the “hurry up and die” message in the end-of-life care guide. What we really need is a “hurry up and retire” message to be given to Arlen Specter.

  180. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    SueK,

    “Surprisingly, we may see a *decrease* in SWINE as the weather gets cooler . . .”

    …not in Washington DC we won’t!

  181. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Can anyone give me a link to the interview with Obama Sr’s first wife?

  182. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Regarding Kenyan Birth,

    I agree, the circumstantial evidence that Dunham was in Kenya, is now overwhelming….

    Whereas the contrary evidence is dissolving month by month…

    You don’t hedge with the truth; you hedge with lies…Obama treats his own birth story as a lie, because he hedges with information to prove its true…

  183. SueK google to: Natural healer
    HILDEGARD VON BINGEN
    (1098 – 1179)Abbess, mystic, musician and writer. Composed plainchant and wrote learned treatises on natural science, medicine and theology.
    Google said Obama’s Health Plan will destroy alternative medicine. I disagree I think that it will drive people toward alternative medicine. When a person is sick they do not have the time of energy to run to various bureaucrats, nor endless paperwork. You would only go to a doctor in the direst of emergencies. Not only is this bill inhumane, it is idiotic and impractical.

  184. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3949

    Orly is reporting that Face Book shut her Face Book account down, without her authorization or request…

    Who owns FaceBook? Who’s on the Board of Directors there?

  185. Pingback: Trent Franks town hall, Update, Representative Franks meeting, August 25, 2009, Franks did not say lawsuit?, pursue looking into Obama birth certificate, eligibility « Citizen Wells

  186. I can’t get this story to load from NewsMax but it is basically “Beck Boycott Backfires” HA!

    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/beck_boycott_fox_backlash/2009/08/23/251369.html?s=al&promo_code=85E5-1

  187. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    arlen specter…..

    Don’t forget, he’s the young lawyer who came up with the theory that 1 bullet changed direction four or five times and caused all the injuries in President Kennedy and those in the limosine with him…

    For that he was rewarded with a long career in the Senate…he’s a crony, a crook, a fraud, and enemy of the people!

  188. citizenwells

    *** New Post ***

  189. Michelle,

    A little info for you on physicians and their limitations.

    There are very specific protocols, also referred to as standard of care, that must be followed by law. Physicians (Medical Docs) are limited to approved prescription drugs ONLY, and specific procedures set forth in treatment protocol guidelines. (clinical trials are another story) Diagnosis ABC = treatment and or Rx for ABC.

    A physician can’t write you a different prescription that HE thinks would work better if it doesn’t fit that diagnosis (code). Your insurance probably wouldn’t pay for it anyway.

    Even if a physician knew of an alternative treatment that would be better than something being hawked by big pharma, he couldn’t recommend it if it was outside the established protocol. In addition to the risk of being sued he would have his license revoked and his medical liability insurance would be cancelled.

    On the other hand, a Naturopathic Physician is trained in “natural” treatments and can & does sell you herbs/vitamins, counsel you on your diet, etc. He is limited to THIS realm. So, if you needed a prescription drug he would have to refer you to an M.D. There are a few docs that are both a medical doctor and a Naturopath. This to me is the best of both worlds.

    Remember, pharmaceutical companies & major foundations such as the Rockefeller Foundation also fund the med schools, donate huge sums of money for research grants, etc. They also control the content of information delivered to physicians in professional medical pubs/journals due to their enormous ad budgets. The Rockefeller family has controlled the field of medicine for years. It’s an interesting history to read if you are so inclined.

    Samples of medications provided to physicians by big pharma are typically given so as to save their patients money. It allows a physician to use some meds as a “trial” on a patient without any out of pocket expense. Others meds are given to folks that have little financial means. Other than an ink pen, coffee mug or occasional lunch from the drug reps, there are no perks for the average physician. Big pharma is lining the pockets of the politicians not the physicians. Physicians don’t have any financial incentive to prescribe one med over another.

    It’s interesting to note there are some people that feel if they leave a physician’s office without a prescription, that somehow they didn’t do anything for them.

    I’m hopeful you find this valuable.

  190. TIME TO STAND UP !! THIS IS DEPOPULATION!! OBAMA and THE GOVERNMENT ARE TERRORIST.. PLANNING MASS KILLING!!
    Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine
    This is a violation of the 4th Amendment
    PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO AND WARN EVERYONE !!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oD55WvDmM


    Australia said NO to the vaccine, because it is DANGER !!

    Some countryin EUROPE said Swine Flu is NOT danger , it’s just a flu and will go away by itself.. Your body will built up their own defence system to any flu!!

    IT’S TIME TO ACT NOW !! DON’T ALLOW THIS CRIMINALS KILL AMERICANS !!

    REMOVE THE USURUPER NOW, BEFORE IT’S TO LATE !!

    Read more about the flu
    http://www.eboards4all.com/575231/

    REMEMBER THE TERRORISTS ARE IN THE WHITEHOUSE !!

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