Obama pharmaceutical memo, Obama lying, White House Deal with pharmaceutical lobby, PhRMA, Internal memo, Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association deal, Lobbyists,Youtube video

Obama recently made a deal with the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association, PhRMA. That will come as no surprise to you. However, this story was covered by the Huffington Post and CNN. That may surprise you.

From The Huffington Post, August 13, 2009:

“Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: “Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.”

Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline “is simply not accurate.” “This memo isn’t accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies,” said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.

Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.

Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.”

“The deal, as outlined in the memo:

Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.
1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 – 23.1% ($34 billion)

2. Agree to get FOBs done (but no agreement on details — express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say

does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion)

3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion)
This totals $68 billion

4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what

this tax/fee will be based.

Total: $80 billion

In exchange for these items, the White House agreed to:

1. Oppose importation

2. Oppose rebates in Medicare Part D

3. Oppose repeal of non-interference

4. Oppose opening Medicare Part B”

Read more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

Here is a CNN report on this backroom deal:

“Obama:Caught Lying Again-Making Back Room Deals with Pharmaceutical Lobbyist”

 

Thanks to commenter ms. helga.

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74 responses to “Obama pharmaceutical memo, Obama lying, White House Deal with pharmaceutical lobby, PhRMA, Internal memo, Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association deal, Lobbyists,Youtube video

  1. Rep. Trent Franks considering filing a lawsuit of Obama’s citizenship
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  2. Sorta ‘on topic’, given it’s Sunday: just want to make a little Word association that some (who read the Scriptures) might find relevant:
    (someone who is better with the finer points of language translation can offer a more ‘educated-sounding’ explanation than me…):
    When the Scriptures use the word “sorcery or sorcerer” it is referring to “magic arts”…or more specifically “one who mixes potions…for medicinal or ‘feel-good’ purposes”. The root word being the same as the one from which we get our word “pharmacy”.

    When you place that into context with what is written about the ‘deceiving’ in the description of those things that will be evident ‘in the end time’…hopefully some relevance will come to light in all this that is going on NOW.

    BTW: I began noticing several years ago, and again just yesterday…in my area, many prominant intersections…all over the city…which used to be occupied by major name gas stations, have now been replaced by major name drug store chains. Coinky-dink? Gonna get tougher to get gas, and easier to get ‘your pills’?…
    keep an eye out.

  3. Bringing over from last thread. This is the Smith document, but it looks like the document was covered at a different angle than the other one. This one seems to show a slower movement and covers more of the document. I didn’t go back to compare, but it is the same document, but seems to show more info at a slower pace. ????

  4. OT: okay…then I’ll ‘play the game’ my own way:
    I’ll fill up a little space with ‘wise words’…not my own; but of one of my hereos…
    (hope you like ’em; they’re definitely ‘re-do’-worthy, IMHO):
    ——————————————————-
    Yogi-isms
    Posterity may best remember the great Yankee catcher, Yogi Berra, for the linguistic screwballs he has pitched over the years:

    “Sometimes you can observe a lot by watching.”

    “It aint over ‘til it’s over.”

    “No wonder nobody comes here – it’s too crowded.”

    “If the people don’t want to come out to the park, nobody’s gonna stop ‘em.”

    “There are some people who, if they don’t already know, you can’t tell them.”

    “A nickel aint worth a dime anymore.”

    “Even Napoleon had his Watergate.”

    “I want to thank all the people who made this night necessary.”

    “Half the lies they tell me aren’t true.”

    “If you can’t imitate him, don’t copy him.”

    (on why it’s so tough to play right field in Yankee Stadium):
    “Because it gets late early.”

    (ordering sweaters):
    “That’s the kind I want. I want one in Navy blue and one in Navy brown.”

    (on receiving a check made out to “Bearer”):
    “How could you spell my name like that?”

    “Why don’t you pair them up in threes?”

    “Ninety-nine percent of this game is half mental.”

    (a story makes the round about the time a waitress served Yogi a pizza, and asked him if he wanted it cut into four slices or eight):
    “Better make it four; I don’t think I could eat eight pieces.”

    (Yogi’s son, Dale, when asked to compare himself with his father said):
    “Our similarities are different.”

  5. If you want a different perspective, search
    “pharmakeia”…might surprise you where the word comes from…and its synonyms.

  6. Was Obama High During This Interview?

  7. did he say “gallows humor”?! (LOL)…speaking of “Haman”…or in this video, maybe that’s…
    “Hheeeyyyy….Man…!”…hehehe…

  8. When he says “a rock”…is he speaking of the little white kind?

  9. LATE BREAKING NEWS:
    (speaking of “a rock”):
    Word on the wire is that England has agreed to sell The Rock of Gilbraltar and the immediate surrounding land back to France. Sources also state that the French have suggested re-naming the famous precipice after a hero of their own; so in the future it will be known simply as
    “De Gaulle Stone”! …..(rim shot!!)

  10. typo “Gibraltar…” (sorry, too early for that kind of schlap-schtick…)

  11. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Re-do,

    You mean to Spain?

  12. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jbjd,

    I personally find it difficult to see a definition as a proceedure…

    But if there are no laws which allow an agency head to deny the President secret information, what laws are there to require it?

  13. http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel09/mueller082209.htm
    “The Scottish government’s decision to release Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi makes a “mockery of the rule of law” and gives comfort to terrorists around the world, FBI Director Robert Mueller said. ” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anQSA_ofd2Fw
    I have a question for Dir. Mueller. I commend you on being outraged at this decision & speaking up about it but why are you not outraged that we have a President that had close friends who were terrorist. Evidence shows that Ayers even wrote BO’s book. You say that the Scots are making a mockery of the rule of law? How about Article II sec 1 of our Constitution?

  14. Watch C-Span now if you want to get a feel of how these townhell meetings are going. I pray that 9-12 will be at least a million people march on Washington, D.C.

  15. What Have We Done? – Black Woman Doesn’t Like Obama No-More (funny stuff)
    Video: http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  16. Thanks for the video of the Smith document, Val. All I can say is – sung to the tune of a high school cheer: “DOCTOR ANG’AWA – BIRTHERS GOT THE POW-WA!”

    Corny, but it’ll help to remember Dr. James O. W. Ang’Awa’s name. I have a feeling we’ll be hearing/seeing it a LOT in the coming days!

    Here’s Dr. Ang’Awa’s son’s photography website:

    http://www.angawaimages.com/

    There’s a page there where you can email him. Anybody up for asking if his late dad delivered babies in Kenya, at the Coast Province Hospital, Mombasa?

  17. Nancy Peacock

    Death book for veterans. Trying to guilt them into taking lesser care to extend their lives. Sounds like Brave New World.

  18. GBAmerica // August 23, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    GBAmerica, that vid stunned me! Thanks for posting.

    He has done *nothing* right for the American people since Day#1. I guess this is what happens when an illegal alien usurper is installed in the White House.

    I refuse to call him the ‘President’-he is now simply the ‘Resident’ until such time we can throw his azz out.

  19. ccwarrior –

    Trent Franks is having a Townhall meeting on Monday 5:00pm I am going, should be interesting.

  20. Three comments:

    1. ReDo–I was stunned by The Office of Readings of the Liturgy of the Hours, 21st Sunday in Ordinary Time, First Reading from the prophet Zephaniah 1:18
    “Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath…”
    …and we’ve been talking about gold and colloidal silver on CW. This entire reading was on the judgment of the Lord: Zephaniah 1:1-7, 14–2:3

    2. What immediately strikes me about the latest birth certificate is how dark the foot print is. The ones I’ve seen show all the little lines that are skin folds in the baby’s new foot. Either they really inked up the foot…or it strikes me as a false certificate.

    3. Check out this video:

  21. CK OU T BHO reading POST AMERICA, BY A MUSLIM,I THINK
    See picture,scroll down site.Capture picture and post
    http://www.riseupforamerica.com

  22. I agree that the footprint is too dark, so the prints cannot be determined.
    This BC is bullshit, look at the crappy video in the dark secretive alleyways of Kenya, what horse shit.

    Remember, it behooves Obama to keep producing this crap.

    Keep your eye on the tiger, OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS BORN BRITISH AND HE STILL IS BRITISH.

    THAT alone is sufficient to prove him ineligible.

  23. Obama reads Rules For Radicals, by Sal Alinsky

    We need to read Larry;s book
    http://www.larrysinclair-0925.blogspot.com

  24. TO:

    kittycat // August 23, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Was Obama High During This Interview?

    ==============

    THAT i san OUTRIGHT LIE and a FRAUD. How can you place such lies on here about Mr. “Obama”?
    That is just UNETHICAL and Irresponsible, that video needs to be REMOVED or CORRECTED. Everyone knows that the President uses a CRACKPIPE not a Joint.
    He is the first crackpipe prez we ever had as far as we know, according to his ex-lover Larry Sinclair.

  25. TO:
    Stephanie // August 23, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel09/mueller082209.htm
    “The Scottish government’s decision to release Lockerbie bomber Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi makes a “mockery of the rule of law” and gives comfort to terrorists around the world, FBI Director Robert Mueller said. ”
    ====================

    What right does the FBI and Mueller have to “judge” anyone else’s handling of Terrorists when they are Following Mr. Obama’s Handling of Terrorists (Guantanamo) and Pirates.

    If we can send our captured terrorists to Bermuda why can’t Scotland “deport” theirs back home?

  26. Looks like Obama essentially traded $80B of our (future) money for support on his health care initiative.

  27. The newest alleged Kenyan Birth Certificate has the stamp naming Dr. Helton Maganga as the Chief Administrator, CPGH (Coast Provincial General Hospital).

    According to this news account —

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/612678/-/ukb32e/-/index.html

    Dr. Maganga IS the Chief Administrator, CDGH, but the signature above the name looks like another person’s handwriting.

  28. georgie

    Keep us posted on the fireworks, pretty sure their will be some.

  29. In typical Clinton(Kissit) tradition, the groom -to -be father is in jail for fraud.

  30. Did I hear someone here say that during the Alan Keyes and Obama Senate debates Obama said he didn;t need a Natural Born Certificate because he was only running for the Senate? There has to be a transcript or video of this somewhere. That would nail it.

  31. ms. helga // August 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Hi Ms. Helga,

    Yes there was, but it’s disappeared and probably scrubbed. Those who have looked cannot locate it. I believe that someone here on the CW blog actually heard the exchange….it was supposedly ‘off-mic’ but was picked up.

    Obama said (and I’m paraphrasing) that it didn’t matter that he wasn’t an NBC because he was running for the Senate and not for POTUS.

    Dr. Keyes could put it out there, but without a recording of Obama actually saying it, it’s all heresay.

    This, indeed, would be the smoking gun!

  32. Scratch the previous – this is the one

    http://www.congressionalbadboys.com/Mezvinsky.htm

  33. ms. helga, the bastard, was nailed, along time ago, the hard part is, finding someone, that will do something about it. Everyone, is dancing on egg shells, scared of being called racist.

  34. Thanks SueK – I can’t believe that Alan Keyes doesn’t have a transcript of this. Is he aware of the importance now? OR did he forget about it? I am going to google up the”Keyes” + “Obama” + “Debates”

  35. Please accept my apology, I realize this is off-point, but in the interest of spreading the word I felt it necessary to make the information available as soon as practicable. The biggest thing is, the news affects all we senior people who are on Social Security. The article is dedicated to the latest proposition that there will be no COLA adjustments to our Social Security for the next two years, and along with this idea, the cost of the Prescription Drug Plan, Part D will go up slightly.

    I would love to see the COLA, Cost of Living Adjustment tied to the “Cost of Living” and not the more nebulous “Inflation”….

    This is from Newsmax todaay, August 23, 2009

    Newsfront

    Millions Face Shrinking Social Security Payments

    Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:41 AM

    WASHINGTON – Millions of older people face shrinking Social Security checks next year, the first time in a generation that payments would not rise.

    The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won’t be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn’t happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.

    By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly.

    “I will promise you, they count on that COLA,” said Barbara Kennelly, a former Democratic congresswoman from Connecticut who now heads the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. “To some people, it might not be a big deal. But to seniors, especially with their health care costs, it is a big deal.”

  36. Dear People –

    Some of you are getting lathered up over nothing. The new video of the Kenyan BC is “nothing” in and of itself. It may or may not be real. Just like ANY other alleged official document (including the image on FTS), it must be handled and authenticated by document experts.

    It’s main usefulness is to further illustrate the confustion that surrounds this whole issue. And the confustion will NOT go away until the real deal (whatever and wherever it is) is handled and authenticated by impartial document experts.

    The message is becoming louder and clearer – this MUST be run to ground in short order.

    Finally – gross critiques (i.e. overall confirmation) of the document are helpful. Detailed critiques are a waste of time! Do you have the document in your hands? Are you a document expert? For instance, the footprint: If it was irregular for footprints to appear at this time and place, then that is useful information. That the footprints are too dark is ridiculous. Do you think this is THE original BC with an actual inked footprint? Of course not, there is only one of those. At best this is a completely legal, duly certified, XEROX of the original. Give me a break.

  37. Lowest number yet
    Sunday, August 23, 2009 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. These figures mark the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President. The previous low of -12 was reached on July 30 (see trends).

  38. ms helga. I have searched for that video and or text and have not found it. I heard it was there first debate. Someone from Chicago needs to get a hold of a reporter not friendly to Zero and dig into it. That could win such report a Pulitzer!

  39. Taken from a link posted by cq @ 11:45 p.m.:

    http://jsmineset.com/2009/08/19/the-countdown-to-the-implosion-of-the-dollar/

    The implosion of the dollar and accompanying loss of autonomy of the Federal Reserve.

    Gold is set to climb but who knows what the governmnet will do with gold once all is said and done.

  40. Great site http://www.riseupforamerica.com

    GRAND JURYS AND MORE

    scroll down and see what OBAMA’S READING
    POST AMERICA BY A MUSLIM !!!

  41. ms. helga // August 23, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Unbelievable, Ms. Helga, right?

    There was a discussion a while ago on this very CW blog, and it was said that the conversation had been scrubbed. I don’t know if it was a TV or radio station recording that, but it was chatter and evidently picked up on the mic.

    Even if Dreams from My Father was indeed ghost written by Ayres, there’s also an admission in there.

    The bottom line is that this illegal was certified to run for POTUS and those responsible should be prosecuted, starting with Botox Pelosi herself.

    Please post if you find anything…

  42. Ms. Helga, I saw that you tube video months ago. It was a Keyes, Obama debate. Now it is gone but it was posted at one time. At that time I was a listener and poster at Plains Radio, and it was discussed at some length. I do not know why nothing was ever done about it??? I hope Keyes has a transcript of the debate.

  43. ms.helga,

    I remember the Obama Keyes debate and Obama’s reference to NBC discussed last fall. Even then the video could not be found.

  44. Carlyle —

    No one is “lathered up,” and the observation of the document is valuable, because sometimes those who do have a document in hand, do not know what they are looking at.

    Like some other people who post here, I have discovered that the people who do have the documents in hand begin to actually follow the leads of the knowledgeable bloggers here @ CW, and begin to see what they do have in hand, good or bad.

    Unless we post @ CW, no one else will ever know the information.

    I’ve tried to give information at other sites, but CW is the ONLY that gets RESULTS. Until it is posted here, it gets lost.

    I have seen legal cases remarkably improved, because of facts that attorneys have garnered from information FIRST PUBLISHED here!

    So, tighten your seat-belt, and just go along for the ride!

  45. I saw an interview with Keyes in which he was asked about the Obama natural born debate comment. Keyes says he has no recollection of Obama making such a comment.

    I am super skeptical of this new certificate as well…….

    This guy has a sick need to feel the role of potential hero as a means of gaining attention. Remember he did promise a kidney to a guy for months only to back out at the last minute when he decided to ask for money for the kidney (which was illegal) and they said no.

    He has issues to say the least

  46. Why we should NOT close the door on Kenya —

    In a London newspaper, Barack Obama’s 1st Wife gave an interview in which she told the reporter that Ann Dunham was a life-long friend, and that they corresponded frequently.

    Since Obama’s 3rd wife (an American) complained that Obama, Sr. was a drunk who difficult to live with, the question has to be. when did Ann Dunham and Obama’s 1st wife ever meet?

    There must have been a visit to Kenya sometime during what WND calls “the missing 6 months” of Obama’s mama.

  47. Regarding the video I posted at 10:39,

    It is the same document, but it’s not the Lucas Smith youtube. It’s another source. I did not go back to compare, but this video @10:39, seems to cover more of the document. It’s not shaky as the other and it seems to capture the document from a different angle. ????

    As far as Lucas Smith’s video, I got the impression that he may not have it in his possession. He climbs the stairs, gets a clip board with the BC and that’s it. He was handed the clip board. I’m wondering if he had to give it back ???

    Does anyone know when that video by Smith was made. He makes comment that he would like to have it released “today”, but does anyone know what “day” that was. It was posted on the 22nd, but wonder when it was made. In his original statement about the BC, months ago, he says he will make a video showing the BC. I wonder if he went back and this is recent ???

    Another day … another birth certificate!

  48. ms helga 2:55–Thanks. Now I remember that I read about this some time ago. Seems everybody is in bed with everybody else. What an incestuous world we live in!

  49. SueK: Obama said (and I’m paraphrasing) that it didn’t matter that he wasn’t an NBC because he was running for the Senate and not for POTUS.

    Sue, I’ve heard this also, plus I tried to help locate that video/audio on this many, many months ago. It was a lady from the place that is now Restore the Constitutional Republic, and I can’t remember who it was now. She wasn’t the only one saying that she heard it. It was during the debates between Keyes and BO.

  50. citizenwells

    August 29, 2004
    ‘African-American’ Becomes a Term for Debate
    By RACHEL L. SWARNS

    This month, the debate spilled into public view when Alan Keyes, the black Republican challenger for the Senate seat in Illinois, questioned whether Mr. Obama, the keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention, should claim an African-American identity.

    “Barack Obama claims an African-American heritage,” Mr. Keyes said on the ABC program “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos. “Barack Obama and I have the same race – that is, physical characteristics. We are not from the same heritage.”

    “My ancestors toiled in slavery in this country,” Mr. Keyes said. “My consciousness, who I am as a person, has been shaped by my struggle, deeply emotional and deeply painful, with the reality of that heritage.”

    “For me the term African-American really does fit,” said Mr. Obama, 43. “I’m African, I trace half of my heritage to Africa directly and I’m American.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/national/29african.html?position=&ei=5090&en=0bcaf902834f7e0e&ex=1251432000&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=print&position=

  51. **NEW POST**

  52. citizenwells

    Just got this response from a AZ citizen.

    “I have emailed Rep Franks several times,…. and He has responded to me each time….by email and also snail mail letter. Pretty much saying that obama has been vetted and all is in order. MAYBE we should email him some info to WAKE UP his mind a little bit. You prepare what you want and I will make sure he gets it. I will email it and I will also send him a certified letter. WHAT do you think? (I also emailed Sen Mccain,…. but never received any response at all)”

    OK all, let’s let him know we are watching!

  53. Thank you CW for this last post–4:06. Very good.

  54. Richard // August 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    CONGRESS JUST GOT ITS’ COLA

  55. SueK – Here is what I got on-

    ”Keyes” + “Obama” + “Debates” googled

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%E2%80%9DKeyes%E2%80%9D+%2B+%E2%80%9CObama%E2%80%9D+%2B+%E2%80%9CDebates%E2%80%9D&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&fp=c9fe100d9e542c1e

    55,000 sites

    I’ll take the first 10,000

  56. kittycat // August 23, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    SueK: Obama said (and I’m paraphrasing) that it didn’t matter that he wasn’t an NBC because he was running for the Senate and not for POTUS.

    Sue, I’ve heard this also, plus I tried to help locate that video/audio on this many, many months ago. It was a lady from the place that is now Restore the Constitutional Republic, and I can’t remember who it was now. She wasn’t the only one saying that she heard it. It was during the debates between Keyes and BO.
    ==========
    Kittykat and Ms. Helga—-above is what I
    remember also. I am surprised that Alan
    Keyes does not remember this instance.
    Does he feel threatened now if he does
    recall?

  57. CNN @ 11:46: didn’t mean ‘back to France’…just ‘to France’…thanks for catching my oops…hope it didn’t spoil the story.

  58. All founding fathers were British Subjects who’s births were governed by the Monarchy of England (just like Obama) and therefore not Natural Born American Citizens that is why they made a grandfather clause for themselves. Since Obama was not alive at the time of the signing of the Constitution & his birth was Governed by British Act and the Monarchs, by his Own Admission, he’s PROHIBITED to be Prez. As a British Subject at birth the only he could EVER be Preisdent according to Article II Sec 1 is if he was Alive at the signing of the Constitution, like the founding fathers.

  59. TO:
    ms. helga // August 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Did I hear someone here say that during the Alan Keyes and Obama Senate debates Obama said he didn;t need a Natural Born Certificate because he was only running for the Senate? There has to be a transcript or video of this somewhere. That would nail it.
    =====================

    Talked about this many times before but no proof yet.

    BTW if Alan Keyes says he heard Obam asaying it that is NOT heresay…that is a witness’ Account of what he witnessed…heresay would be if Keyes said that someone else heard it and told him.

  60. TO:
    TRUTH NOW // August 23, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Great site http://www.riseupforamerica.com

    GRAND JURYS AND MORE

    scroll down and see what OBAMA’S READING
    POST AMERICA BY A MUSLIM !!!
    ============
    Posted that a few days ago thanks for posting it again.

    Even sent it to Larry to see if he could make that book his book LOL

  61. There were several Obama-Keyes debates. At one time they were all on You Tube. If I remember correctly it was maybe the first debate when the comment was made.
    Sandy, I do also remember when Keyes said he did not recollect hearing the comment. That really surprised me, and wondered at the time why he would say that.
    Of course this was during his first senate race, before any NBC or birth certificate was even thought of. It could be that the comment just got ignored, then later when the contoversy got heated up, the video was scrapped.

  62. WHY bother to put in the grandfather clause unless the founders clearly differentiated natural born citizens from “born citizens”. For example,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison#Early_life
    William Henry Harrison (pres. #9) was, according to the censorship squad’s permissible lies and admissions on Obotipedia, the last born British Subject president, whereas his father Benjamin Harrison was born in colonial 1726 Charles City County, Virginia and his mother Elizabeth Bassett Harrison was born 1730 in Charles City County also…
    So that’s two alien parents but both born in what was to become the USA…

    But Zachary Taylor’s (pres. #12) father Richard Taylor was born in Orange County, VA (colonia) as was his mother Sarah Dabney Strother, so he was as much a child of aliens.

    Tthe argument that born-citizen = natural born American is where they’re trying to obfuscate.

  63. I didn’t know Spain had a DeGaulle…
    then I don’t know much at all
    coulda been a joke
    somebody spoke
    guess it weren’t that funny, y’all.

  64. “…trying to obfuscate.”
    …. and then the organist at the rink would say, “okay, now everyboday obfuscate BACKWARDS!”…

    I think
    that was at roller rink
    in D.C. a long time ago
    (RIM SHOT!)

  65. bho / read this – its its the argument about what our founders agreed NBC meant/means

    todayhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2321848/posts

  66. Etraveler13

    Bob;
    Your statement that Magangas signature did not appear to be his, alludes to the fact that you have seen his signature somewhere else. Your link does not show it, do you have a link or evidence to show that this MIGHT not be his signature?

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