GA Secretary of State warns Obama, Brian P. Kemp cautions Obama attorney Michael Jablonski, Georgia ballot challenges, Natural born citizen deficiency

GA Secretary of State warns Obama, Brian P. Kemp cautions Obama attorney Michael Jablonski, Georgia ballot challenges, Natural born citizen deficiency

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“Why did Obama employ Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie, to request an advisory opinion on FEC matching funds that he was not eligible for?”…Citizen Wells

“Why is Obama now employing private attorneys to keep his name on state ballots, despite compelling evidence that he is not a natural born citizen?…Citizen Wells

The following letter was sent from Georgia Secretary of State Brian P. Kemp to Obama’s attorney Michael Jablonski:

The Office of Secretary of State

January 25, 2012


Michael Jablonski
260 Brighton Road, NE
Atlanta, Georgia 30309

RE: Georgia Presidential Preference Primary Hearings

Dear Mr. Jablonski:

I received your letter expressing your concerns with the manner in which the Office of State Administrative Hearings (“OSAH”) has handled the candidate challenges involving your client and advising me that you and your client will “suspend” participation in the administrative proceeding. While I regret that you do not feel that the proceedings are appropriate, my referral of this matter to an administrative law judge at OSAH was in keeping with Georgia law, and specifically O.C.G.A. § 21-2-5.

As you are aware, OSAH Rule 616-1-2-.17 cited in your letter only applies to parties to a hearing. As the referring agency, the Secretary of State’s Office is not a party to the candidate challenge hearings scheduled for tomorrow. To the extent a request to withdraw the case referral is procedurally available, I
do not believe such a request would be judicious given the hearing is set for tomorrow morning.

In following the procedures set forth in the Georgia Election Code, I expect the administrative law judge to report his findings to me after his full consideration of the evidence and law. Upon receipt of the report, I will fully and fairly review the entire record and initial decision of the administrative law judge.
Anything you and your client place in the record in response to the challenge will be beneficial to my review of the initial decision; however, if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.

I certainly appreciate you contacting me about your concerns, and thank you for your attention to this matter.


Brian P. Kemp

cc: Hon. Michael Malihi (c/o Kim Beal –
Van Irion, Esq. (
Orly Taitz, Esq. (
Mark Hatfield, Esq. (
Stefan Ritter, Esq. (
Ann Brumbaugh, Esq. (

190 responses to “GA Secretary of State warns Obama, Brian P. Kemp cautions Obama attorney Michael Jablonski, Georgia ballot challenges, Natural born citizen deficiency

  1. Good morning,

    Well, its not long now until the hearing begins. Time to get out the chips and dip, put the beer in the cooler for later, make a few table snacks.

    This is about to get interesting!!

  2. William,
    No matter how this plays out, it will be interesting!

  3. Good Morning. Should be an interesting day today. Regarding Obama’s spat with Gov. Brewer – it might be a good time for legislators in Arizona to resummit the eligibility legislation to her for her signature.

  4. This is so overdue. On the outside looking in, I couldn’t for the life of me understand how Obama could get away with what he has already. The poll fraud from back in 2008 until now is still going on and no one seems to care that it has. The US election is a farce and will be again if Obama isn’t made an example of. I truly hope this judge doesn’t bend and see him for what he truly is. A FRAUD who can take an entire country into an illegal war, to kick dirt at the Constitution and force American citizens to abide by his illegal laws. Both Romney and Gingrich seem they too could take a back door cheque. Please, please do the right thing. This will be the last chance. If a judge is wise and honest enough to go this far, please don’t let this happen to your country again.

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  6. Zach,

    I did see the photo with Gov. Brewer pointing her finger at Obama close range and an obvious heated exchange of words. That type of behavior and body language says a ton.

    I agree, she should reconsider her position on the Arz. ballot laws especially after the Sheriff releases his report in the upcoming weeks. I’m confident she will receive a copy.

  7. Good morning Zach, et al.

  8. Even if Romney wins the nomination (has easiest path forward) it is important to let establishment know how pissed voters are. It is critical for the establishment to know that the VP choice had better be someone who is clearly for fiscal discipline, states’s rights, 2nd Amendment, and limited federal government.

  9. I agree William. Thanks for reminding me about the Sheriff’s report.

  10. I for one have given up hope that there are honest and courageous men in public office anymore. The few that do still fall under this category are undoubtedly faced with impossible odds. The Obama minions aren’t stupid: if they can’t corrupt or influence this man, they will corrupt the next one. The ones they can’t corrupt, they ridicule and/or diminish. There is no shortage of cowards and sycophants to fill the gaps.

    I will be genuinely surprised if anything comes of this hearing, but we can always HOPE.

  11. Live stream video has started of the Atlanta trial.

  12. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    William -They said Gov. Brewer handed Obama a letter. Maybe it was a subpoena!!!

    Switching over to NOW

  13. i hope the sound improves on the live streaming, mine is all garbled

  14. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    “Obama’s lawyer has had enough of ballot eligibility suit in Georgia”

  15. I don’t think it is garbled.. I think it is backround noise.. Lawyers are meeting in chamber with the judge. I hope this is not bad news.

  16. From Drudge:

    Obama to Ignore Order to Appear in Atlanta Court

  17. Subtitles anyone?

  18. I hope they really emphasize the SSN e-verify response as well as the entrance records to Occidental as probably a foreign student. That makes more immediate the question of any type of citizenship. I think the NBC question will take forever to sort out….esp. since there are so many things that point to BO senior not being the real father and they will litigate the NBC precedent cases forever and we don’t have that long. Get the experts there re: the photoshopped phony BC.

  19. I do hope that everyone recognizes the historical significance of this!

  20. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    In a statement released by the Georgia Democratic Party chairman, Mike Berlon said: “In light of these developments the Democratic Party of Georgia has no plans to continue to be involved in these baseless cases. Furthermore the Democratic Party of Georgia will cooperate with the President and his campaign in any way requested to make sure that his name appears on the primary and general election ballots for 2012.”


  21. Just in:

    The Atlanta Journal & Constitution –

    Brian Kemp to Barack Obama’s attorney: Skip ballot hearing ‘at your own peril’

  22. John in Illinois

    are there any Defense lawyers there?????

  23. observer: The college records are so important. With those records, we can piece together this confusing mess, that the usurper has created.
    CW: Indeed, and to think the media has kept mum. Amazing to me.

  24. I just placed a comment on the AJC article.

  25. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    citizenwells | January 26, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    Just in:

    The Atlanta Journal & Constitution –


    The Atlanta Urinal & Constipation

    PS- Carl Swenson is now on the stand.

  26. citizenwells | January 26, 2012 at 9:42 am |

    I do hope that everyone recognizes the historical significance of this!
    Will the U.S. Constitution prevail?

  27. bob,
    Ultimately, in the end, I have hopes that it will.
    We are witnessing it in operation now.
    Remember the arguments from 2008, that the states controlled the elections up to Congress
    certifying the votes. This is true. We are witnessing a state exercising that power.

  28. John in Illinois

    Watching this stream is like a dream come true…..after 4 yrs finally some truth is coming forward ……Go Georgia !!!!!!!!

  29. If you get a chance & I hope that you do, post a factual comment here:

    The Atlanta Journal & Constitution –

    Brian Kemp to Barack Obama’s attorney: Skip ballot hearing ‘at your own peril’

    The obots are out in full force. Confuse them with facts.

  30. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    CW – Senate Resolution 511 is ALL THAT NEEDS to be stated. Obama signed it and it says PARENTS.

  31. I sure wish it had better sound. Are there any defense people there at all?

  32. Folks, we are watching HISTORY being made ……over three long hard years of struggle and this is the FIRST time Mr. Obama has been challenged on MERITS in a lawful court room anywhere in the United States.

    Shame on all the FEDERAL courts for their lack of action on this Usurper.

    Someone said earlier on this post that we are watching a state exercise it’s rights under the Constitution of the United States….I agree

    God Bless the State of Georgia !

  33. Her accent and the bad sound makes it impossible to understand.

  34. Linked the live feed on militarytimes thread. Unfortunately, I can’t get feed. It is being heard.

  35. what was orly showing when the judge said that he didn’t think it was relavent to the case?

  36. Orly is making a fool of herself. The udience is leaving. the judge is questioning her methods. The first two attornies did a good job.

  37. She is hem hawing too much, IMO

  38. CW, I guess you have been told! You are a well known racist down in those parts. Wow, learn something new everyday! lol

  39. Orly has to remember that she has to walk the judge through the various evidence or he will give up attempting to connect the dots. Stick with the main evidence in hand from the govt’s own system and the adoption as Indonesian citizen as pointed to by Franciscus school and expert testimony. Pray for Orly to ask substantive questions. Hooray the expert is being questioned.

  40. LD,
    of course, anyone questioning their messiah is a racist or wingnut.
    Notice that the Obots continue to respond with attacks instead of facts.
    I just corrected one on illegal aliens giving birth in this country.

  41. Not sure Orly’s diversions to SSN and passport fraud will resonate with Judge who merely needs to make recommendation regarding eligibility.

  42. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Orley is AhAHHing too much. Very nervous

  43. John in Illinois

    Daniels testimony does tell us there is major confusing with BO’s social security #

  44. Well,

    I certainly hope there will be a full transcript as the audio is garbled for me as well.

    Does anyone have any brief interpretations of what is going on thus far?

  45. Bill,
    you may be correct.

  46. Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | January 26, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    Orley is AhAHHing too much. Very nervous
    I can understand her doing that though. English is her second or third language and she has to think of the English word she wants to use.

  47. John in Illinois

    confusion , sorry

  48. However……
    This is getting coverage & may get the topic in front of more people.

  49. John in Illinois

    Ah the Adobe expert will be good !!!!!!

  50. John in Illinois

    Sure wish some major network would report this……this great

  51. does anyone know if mara zebest or whatever her name is…is going to be there to testify?

  52. John in Illinois

    And the conclusion from the Adobe expert should be that it is a FORGERY !!!!

  53. John in Illinois

    If you or I forged a document like that we would be sent to jail

  54. If she accomplishes anything, it will be a miracle!

  55. Orly went too high tech. She should have used paper. IMO

  56. A Crazy Old Coot | January 26, 2012 at 10:30 am |


    If my memory serves me correctly, English was her third language. Natural Russian, then Hebrew (where she met her husband and lived in Israel), then English…

    I think.. ..

  57. Can’t believe this is actually happening!

  58. Hope there is a transcript, because the audio is bad. This IS history, however, in spite of the limitations.

  59. John in Illinois

    again the conclusion needs to be stated that the BC is a forgery !

  60. Isn’t this 3 different cases being heard one behind the other?

  61. I respectfully disagree re: the use of fraudulent SSN resonating with the judge. A lot of stuff may be theory to the judge re: historical precedent, but phony SSNs are all too common these days in usage so the judge should be more immediately connected to such crimes. He’s no dummy and is used to expert witnesses about technical evidence….esp. when it is related to current criminal use.

  62. John in Illinois

    Gonna be a one – two punch when Sheriff Joe releases his posse info !

  63. Good…current expert says that in his opinion there is enough evidence to warrant further investigation into what has been sealed by HI and for the SSN to be further looked into by the SSA! He’s speaking to the use of other aliases as well. And he’s giving specific ways and specific depts that should be used for clarification.

  64. The site has crashed. I await your updates. Thanks!

  65. LD & CW,

    Yes, anyone that questions Obama or supports America for Justice by participating with anything against Obama, is called a racist, threatened physically and also threaten their lives and that of their families.

    I had them for nearly a year, enough to frighten my wife. I still get them from time to time, but not nearly as much as the time I filed my sworn federal affidavit in D.C. against the DOJ.

    Just think what others much more involved receive? Quite significant I can assure you.

  66. I lost it.

  67. Orly is painful to watch.

  68. Oh, jeezus!

    Now she’s cross-examining herself.

    :shaking head:

  69. When do you think the judge will make his decision? 12/2013?

  70. She does not seem to know what her closing argument is and what testifying is. Judge getting ready to pull the plug.

  71. A Crazy Old Coot | January 26, 2012 at 10:52 am |

    Isn’t this 3 different cases being heard one behind the other



    Orly was last.

  72. I assuming since there is no defence, a default judgement comes immediately, no matter what orly presents.

  73. Orly is irritating the judge…my stomach is in knots!!!

  74. I didn’t get to see anyone before Orly. Surely the other cases will prop
    her up?

  75. she made a lot of valid points. She brought up ez verify,passport records use of name Barry Soetero, and loss of law license.

  76. yeah, i lost the connection a while ago….probably good because watching Orly is frustrating. She doesn’t seem to know what she’s doing and never seems to understand what the judges are telling her.

  77. My computer says, “server not to be found”. Does this mean that someone has interfered with the transmission?

  78. I can’t seem to get my connection back. What’s going on?

  79. I couldn’t understand half of what was said. The sound is terrible. I just hope I will be able to understand the judge, if he makes a decision.

  80. Good thing she stopped talking, looks like we will have to wait for the decision. Interesting..

  81. It looks like a good crowd in the courtroom though.

  82. Looks like DOC CON in the yellow blazer.

  83. I wonder if we’ll hear what type of sanction the judge will hand out to Obama’s atty or was anything said at the beginning of hearing. If it were me…ha….I’d simply say that enough evidence was presented, without any refutation, by Obama’s side for his name to be kept off the ballot unless otherwise convinced with real discovery.

  84. I guess it is over, everybody is leaving.

  85. It’s over. The first two attorneys were great. I hope Orley didn’t ruin everything.

  86. Observer,
    I like your thinking.

  87. Wyntre,
    Can you explain further about the first attorneys?

  88. SueQ | January 26, 2012 at 11:12 am | I can’t seem to get my connection back. What’s going on?

    Happened to me earlier. I got the connection early on and then inadvertently lost it and when I tried again couldn’t connect. I think it may be due to overloading the site. It finally took a lot longer to get the connection eventually.

  89. No more feed, they ended with Susan Daniels interview.

  90. Pat 1789, I lost my feed also. I wonder?????

  91. Pat 1789 | January 26, 2012 at 11:08 am |

    I assuming since there is no defence, a default judgement comes immediately, no matter what orly presents.


    That is my understanding as well. This is a civil hearing, not criminal. No different than suing your neighbor for their tree falling in your yard. If they don’t show up, you are grant a default judgment.

    In this case ( I think) it simply means that the judge will take under consideration the presentation presented before him (absent of Obama’s Attorney and lack of providing the court requested documents), and forward his decision to the Secretary of State Mr. Kemp. Without any documents, I believe the Judge will have no choice but to advise the SoS to keep Obama off the GA Ballot in 2012.

    Of course, there will be an appeal to the Superior Court of GA, which is also good news. They will (or should) uphold the GA State law as well. But, from my understanding (which may be incorrect) if the SoS keeps his name off the ballot until fully resolved, it should remain that way until then.

    We shall soon see. But it will be heading to another court, that you can bank on, and lets hope so.

  92. from what I could decipher from the garble, the first 2 attorneys were establishing obama is not a NBC

  93. The hearing is over…..
    The facts have been spoken…..
    A legal record has been made…..
    The people will judge…..
    The verdict will be rendered…..
    Justice will have been served…..

    All is well

  94. TC | January 26, 2012 at 8:25 am |

    I for one have given up hope that there are honest and courageous men in public office anymore.
    Governor Roemer is such a man; but, unfortunately, it appears that even assuming people really believe the most important characteristics in a government official are honesty and integrity; they will not support such a candidate unless he is ideologically in lockstep with their opinions in other matters. (I have written a few articles about the man; here is the link to his campaign web site.

  95. usapatriots-shout

    There may be more to the significance of Judge Mahlili’s decision and Brian Kempt, the SOS to challenge Obama’s eligibility. Up until now, every judge who was petitioned to hear the merits of Obama’s eligibility dismissed the case based upon lack of standing. It was obvious those cowards were ignoring the laws of the land and protecting their own careers. Our question then was who or how were these judges bought off. It became crystal clear to us patriots that judges were not making decisions on this matter unless the power in back of them gave them permission.

    Along comes the new American hero, Judge Mahili, who boldly handed down decisions based upon Georgia law and the Constitution. The SOS is in unanimous support. Me think this would not have happened if the invisible power behind them didn’t either order this decision or assure safety of those who are publicly standing up to the Obama machine.

    This is good news. If this is so, then we can be assured that the challenge to Obama’s eligibility won’t stop in Georgia. (5 other states doing same) It is a subtle hint the eligibility challenge will not be all that will be challenging Obama in 2012. My suspicions are there is a powerful group that is determined to stop Obama and the eligibility issue is only a wedge to open the door to not just stop him but eventually to indict him.

    The benefit of Obama being denied on the Georgia ballot is that whoever may be his main opponent can use that fact quite legitimately to bring public focus on his criminality.

  96. 1-26-12 11:08am cst.
    Where can an update be found? This case is too important to just have it fade away … again. Why isn’t one single televised media outlet covering this?

  97. Cabby,

    I just sent you an email..

  98. I already know this comment will go into moderation.

    Sharon Rondeau of the Post and Email has an excellent summary of the proceedings in GA this morning for those who couldn’t watch:

    Site has been up and down, but keep trying; it’s worth the read.

  99. usapatriots-shout | January 26, 2012 at 12:09 pm |

    Good points, usa. It could be that powerful forces in the Dem Party (not all are aligned with O now) are exerting their influence. Time will tell. There still are some blue dog Dems around, and there are the old-liners who are not willing to see O completely destroy the party.

  100. I clicked on the “Vattelvision” link for the hearing and the sound was a bit better. I’m not very good at transcribing, but I tried to transcrib some of what was being discussed after the break.
    Talk Wisdom: GA Hearing On Obama Ineligibility, Jan. 26, 2012 9:00 a.m. Eastern

    Scroll down to read my partial transcript.

    IMHO, Orly’s information was good but it was difficult to understand her and her delivery was quite poor. The judge looked and sounded annoyed. I wish I had done some transcribing when the first two lawyers presented their evidence. Hopefully a video and transcript of the entire hearing will be available soon.

  101. OK, I give up, is this all really just some kind of joke? No media talking about this, no updates, no nothing? Should I just agree with the people who call the Birthers crazy? Nobody can tell me anything?

  102. Anyone who gets through to the Post & Email transcript, could you please copy and paste it here? I keep trying to get in, but after a long wait I end up getting an “Internal Server Error” message.

  103. No links to this story work, none of them anywhere. If they ever did, they they don’t anymore.

  104. Mike | January 26, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    Why isn’t one single televised media outlet covering this?
    Probably because they have been bought and paid for by the regime.
    The internet sites are overloaded, it seems.

  105. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    CW – You sure have started a hornet’s nest over at the Atlanta Urinal & Constipation. Take awhile and read the comments.

    Wait until someone tells them that Ms. Hillary was the first to question his eligibility!!

  106. Here is a detailed summary of what took place in court today:

  107. giveusliberty just reported that the judge granted orly a summary judement and BHO will not be on the ballet?

  108. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    GET THIS OUT. I just found it at the AJ&C site –



    I just got off the phone with Dean Haskins who was in the courtroom this morning assisting with the Art 2Pac live stream. Judge Malihi talked to the attorneys in chambers before the hearing this morning and told them that he was going to enter a DEFAULT JUDGMENT against Obama and recommend that Obama’s name not be on the Georgia ballot! All the attorneys expressed a desire to put an abbreviated streamlined case on the record and the judge agreed. How does the mainstream media spin this? The Georgia SOS has already indicated that he will follow the judge’s recommendation. Obama will not get any popular vote or electors from the great state of Georgia! Congratulations to all freedom-loving Americans!

  110. “Isn’t it just too damn bad that Mr. IMPORTANT has had enough of the stuff in Georgia. Now is the time to jam a hell of a lot more down his nitwit throat. Give him a real good taste of “Don”t tread on me”,and what it really means. He needs a real good cathartic.

  111. I would suspect that a lot of people feel that Mr.IMPORTANT can go straight down ,and they wouldn’t miss him….AT ALL.! Go get em Judge Malahi,….. sic em boy! You know what to do.

  112. Come on Mr. JABBER JOCK SKI DO YOUR DAMNDEST. Then WE THE PEOPLE will do our best. Who do you think will win?

  113. observer | January 26, 2012 at 1:03 pm |


    I just got off the phone with Dean Haskins who was in the courtroom this morning assisting with the Art 2Pac live stream. Judge Malihi talked to the attorneys in chambers before the hearing this morning and told them that he was going to enter a DEFAULT JUDGMENT against Obama and recommend that Obama’s name not be on the Georgia ballot!
    People, get a hold of yourselves! Even if you still have no idea about the nature of these proceedings (because you haven’t yet bothered to read the extensive analysis I offer on my blog), please, use what is left of your common sense in this regard.

    Do you suppose that if Judge Malihi had actually uttered these sentiments; at the end of today’s hearing, d2i would have interviewed Susan Daniels instead of one of the attorneys? (Dean Haskins was not one of the attorneys; anything he reports is heresay, at best!)

    You are being jerked around by people who have made an industry of Obama’s Constitutional ineligibility. Get off the merry-go-round. Become an activist citizen and take care of business on your own.

  114. I am in moderation at 1:26.

  115. has great coverage. is covering it.
    Drudge has a link…..forget the lamestream media. Make the switch
    now to alternative websites and turn off your TV. Some of you have
    an addiction to it and it won’t be easy to break. Strangely, Alex
    Jones is not covering this story, in general, he is the best newsman
    around today….

  116. WE ARE WATCHING………..Jabber Too bad the AZ Governor isn’t here. I bet she would have put her finger right UP YOUR PIMPLY LITTLE NOSE. If she has the courage to POINT her finger at SCUM BAG then she probably would do a hell of a lot worse damage to an insignificant “barrel bottom” alleged attorney like you.
    Go get em JAN,………sic em! You know exactly what to do…..CALL ARPIAO!


  118. Thank you Citize Wells for maintaining this site and hanging in there! Great news! May other states follow in suit.

  119. It will be interesting to see how people like Levin, Limbaugh, Hannity and other “conservative” talk shows handle all of this. IF barry is not allowed on the ballot they can’t simply ignore it anymore. Maybe THEN it will matter to them…Those “conservative” media folks are equally responsible for the mess we are in. In fact, they are more responsible than the other media in that we expect them to ignore anything negative about Barry. Levin and them told their listeners it wasn’t important…no issue….pathetic….just pathetic!

  120. I have coined a new food icon for Mr. unimportant. I call it BUNGLEWORST!

  121. Mr.Bill…………….
    Hasn’t it always been the case that Soetoro has a severe dual disorder ever since he ran for office. It is loosely called DIARRHEA of the mouth,and CONSTIPATION of the brain. Congratulations you will soon be receiving your POLITICAL ILLNESS class graduation certificate.

  122. OldSalt,

    I suggest a side dish of Shitava, spiced with a bit of pissonya and topped with a sprinkle of screwedyaovea and call it toughshita

    But the Marxist loving Hillary was no different. Opps. Meant to say “Progressive” Hillary… Same thing… just not politically correct to say Marxist Socialist.

  123. keith | January 26, 2012 at 1:02 pm |

    giveusliberty just reported that the judge granted orly a summary judement and BHO will not be on the ballet?


    Has this been confirmed? Can I breathe yet?

  124. Just when I was losing all hope, this develops. Thanks to all who have persevered.

  125. OldSalt,

    That would be what I would call the Obama food group, they way he feels about America, citizens and the rule of law.

    Its currently hung up in moderation.

  126. bye the way,

    The Marxist loving Hillary (and hubby) was no different. Opps. Meant to say “Progressive” Hillary… Same thing… just not politically correct to say Marxist Socialist.

    We wouldn’t want American’s to think of former Socialists Countries such as the USSR, CUBA, ect.. are negative in personal freedoms. That is simply not politically correct. Call themselves, Progressives and Liberals.

    America, the sleeping giant, is waking up.

  127. You are on a ROLL OldSalt, dual disorder hahaha!

  128. This is really great news!!! I wonder how the obots are going to handle this? Probably denial, denial, denial. A judge with the law and truth on his side will render a proper verdict regardless of the failings of any messenger. Judge Malihi must be that kind of man and also a person of great courage.

    This should give impetus to other states who already have cases before them.

  129. Post & Email is down. Dying here…..

  130. This happening in GA should give Sheriff Joe’s cold case posse new momentum and encouragement. It will be interesting to see what comes from their findings.

  131. Michael Kingman


    The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA. The term “natural born citizen” has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
    1) Obama must be born in the USA.
    The forged document provided by the White House web site of Obama’s supposedly long form birth certificate is simply that, a bad forgery!
    Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii and to check directly the original long form birth certificate and in particular to assess if even this original is genuine that is if it is not also a forgery!!
    2) Obama’s parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
    We know that Obama’s father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!

    More, Obama is a former lawyer. Therefore, he knew perfectly well that he was not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA but he nevertheless did it DISHONESTLY, FRAUDULENTLY, deceiving purposefully the entire American people.

    Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain’s eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
    Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.

    First Conclusion:
    —Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!

    If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a “natural born citizen” truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s web site “Natural Born Citizen – A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers” at
    In particular, read:
    —“The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth” at

    Second conclusion:
    —If you are a rational person, no matter your political affiliation, you surely will be forced to conclude that the facts speak for themselves and that there is no doubt legally that a “natural born citizen” indeed requires that a President of the USA has two parents that were BOTH American citizens at the time of birth.
    —The Constitution of the USA is sacred to any American citizen AND it applies to every single American citizen, no matter one’s political affiliation, no matter one’s color of the skin, no matter what!!!!
    —You now have the facts fully on the table concerning what a “natural born citizen” truly is, you cannot evade the truth about these facts!!!
    Now, what path are you going to choose?
    1) Keep Lying and hiding the facts, hoping that they will disappear by themselves!! Or
    2) Choose to acknowledge these facts fully and be determined to fight for the truth?
    The choice is yours! But the Constitution of the USA is at stake!!!

  132. Cabby,
    The obots will scream racism. They will have trouble considering the only other possible reality. They have assisted in treason, just like the other recent democratic operatives and the CIA. Party before country and constitution, leads to treason.

  133. Update: Obama’s Georgia Ballot Hearing: Judge Wanted To
    Immediately Enter Default Judgment Against Obama
    Dean Haskins on the Scene at Hearing

    As we are trying to get a quick lunch, and then do some interviews, this is just a very brief synopsis of what happened today. Before the hearing started, the judge called the attorneys into his chambers and explained that he was going to enter a default judgment in their favor. Attorneys Hatfield and Irion requested to be able to present abbreviated versions of their arguments so that they would be on the record. At that point, Irion estimated he would need 20 minutes, Hatfield estimated he would need 30 minutes, and Taitz estimated she would need 2 hours.

    Van Irion and Mark Hatfield made their arguments, and left. Taitz then presented her argument, calling several witnesses, until the judge asked her to make her closing statement. As her closing statement began, the judge asked if she was testifying, and, in an unconventional move, Taitz took the witness stand to testify. The judge finally asked her just to make her closing statement, which she did.

    We believe that the default judgment automatically translates into the judge’s recommendation to the Sec. Of State being that Obama should not appear on the ballot in Georgia.

    Back to work . . . more to come!

  134. Looks like we get a foot in the door to win by default. Also documents and testimony put into evidence. Since I have NO legal knowledge, can some of the legal experts weigh in. Does that evidence have a chance of going anywhere, should Obama’s side try to get this default judgement overturned?

    I hope the Judge takes some time to look at what was presented. I would think a subpoena to Hawaii to clear any questions would be the next logical step. Remember the Governor who said he would finally put all this to rest, has never come forward with anything substantial. Why did that story die?

    By Craig Andresen on January 26, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Given the testimony from today’s court case in Georgia, Obama has a lot of explaining to do. His attorney, Jablonski, was a NO SHOW as of course, was Obama.
    The following is a nutshell account of the proceedings.

  136. It appears that ONCE again Soetoro will be in default. But for those who don’t remember he was in default at a hearing in the past where all of these questions were addressed. This was in Berg’s lawsuit. He did not appear ,so everything that Berg alleged became facts…….also look at what came of the default judgement in that case …………nothing, in spite of OVERWHELMING evidence presented by Berg.

  137. jbjd | January 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm |

    You are being jerked around by people who have made an industry of Obama’s Constitutional ineligibility. Get off the merry-go-round. Become an activist citizen and take care of business on your own.
    Considering the various viewpoints expressed here at CW, I would conclude that most folks are doing just that – becoming “an activist citizen” and taking “care of business on your own.” Even though not legally trained, we do have heads and can discern in our own way – with the help of various legal eagles – what is true and right. We can dispose of the chaff, too. All of that just may take some time.

  138. The only thing that Soetoro will lose is the state of Georgia, but there is a very significant benefit to Newt Gingrich as a result of a default judgement. This will ultimately bring even more voters over to Newt’s side in EVERY state. Once the word gets out via the internet, it is likely that potential voters are going tro pick up on the judgement and they will side with the WAR HORSE. Romney’s DRIVEL will become ineffective.

  139. Wow, the attacks on Newt are coming hard and fast. They are all scared stiff!. Just found a great positive article on him.

    Send us Newt!

    I continue to be amazed at my very liberal friends and family who are supporting him. He is clearly getting his message out there and turning some very stiff necks.

  140. Reading about all the events here, and wish to state my support for what’s going on in Georgia today. Really incredible. Thanks to everyone keeping this going. True heros in my book; all of you. I wonder if this will now get the real ball rolling and the truth will come out or if the press will continue to overlook these events. Georgia is a red state anyway. Obama doesn’t need Georgia to win, but if other states follow suit or if the press simply reports on this, that could help a lot. Thanks again to all of you. Keep up the good fight.

  141. Cabby AZ……………..
    I stand behind Brewer in having pointed her finger at Soetoro. Had it been me I probably would have punched him squarely in his oral BS spreader. Of course that would have gotten me a hell of a jail term but it might have been the SMACK heard around the world.


    To all the old grunts out there, keep your head down and your powder dry!

  143. I sure hope Malahi is wearing body armor. I fear that there might be attempts by lunatic obots to assinate him.

  144. Good article, Honor First! (2:47 pm)

  145. Another good article:

    What really happened in the Gingrich ethics case?
    by Byron York

  146. 1:39 pm —

    “Levin and them told their listeners it wasn’t important…no issue….pathetic….just pathetic!”

    “Mark Levin is known to hang up in your face if you mention Obama’s eligibility issue”

  147. jbjd,

    As I have stated many times in the past, I fully recognize (and so do many others that have been involved over the years) your beginning efforts and pioneered efforts of Ballot challenges in 2012 as a means to address Obama and the DNC with various states.

    I briefly spoke over the phone with one of the Listed Plaintiffs whom happened to be represented by an Attorney (not Orly). He is due to call me back shortly. Now certainly anything he explains to me and I repeat on this site, will be legally considered hearsay. I understand that.

    But is that somehow different if he and his attorney speaks personally on the phone with you, and you repeat it, considered not hearsay? Its the same thing. A few of us, do personally know those involved, and have personal phone conversations with each other.

    Yes, its hearsay by repeated the information. Not admissible in a court of law. But this website is not a court of law. No more than if the plaintiffs and their attorney personally called you and relayed to you what the judge said behind close doors to them and you wrote about that conversation on your website.

    Maybe Im not following your complaint here. Please clarify if I am missing your point of relaying personal third party conversations, as if they are not truthful or should not be believed. Especially when you personally know the individuals involved.

  148. oldsalt79 | January 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    Cabby AZ……………..
    I stand behind Brewer in having pointed her finger at Soetoro.
    Wasn’t that great? She has been criticized by some, but overall she is doing fine. She has spunk and fortitude and gave a personal, handwritten letter to Soetoro inviting him to visit the Border!! Of course, he didn’t go and will not in the future either. They say he has only visited once in TX, and that’s it. He was also very rude in that he walked away while she was still talking to him. What a bumbling cad – brought up in a sawmill.

  149. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    As Michael Kingman said here is the whole case against Obama –

    Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain’s eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!

  150. P.S. I should apologize to sawmills.

  151. Here’s another good one!

    Newt Gingrich Is Exposing the Corrupt Media

  152. What is it with Levin? I don’t understand what he is doing.

  153. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Gordo – The only thing Rush, Levin, Hannity, Oh Really etc. worry about are –

    1 – RATINGS
    2 – Cleavage
    3 – “Absolutely”

  154. I apologize for the many misspelled words in my comment to jbjd currently held up in moderation.

    I was going back and forth from my phone and typing quickly without checking.

  155. Newt Gingrich wants to colonize the Moon, just like Lyndon Larouche wanted to colonize Mars. LMAO

    How’s he going to pay for it?? Fail

  156. Katie,

    Here’s a snippet from another blog.

    results of the obama cases from:

    Anonymous said…[Reply]
    witness # 1 identified obama’s internet birth certificate and a passage in “dreams of my father” citing Barack Sr’s Kenyan passport was revoked.
    January 26, 2012 6:39 AM

    Anonymous said…[Reply]
    witness #2: filed a freedom of information act and found Barack Sr. was at Harvard as a foreign student. barack sr. was not a us citizen at the time of barack jr. birth.



    not all citizens are natural born citizens.
    January 26, 2012 6:44 AM
    Anonymous said…[Reply]
    Attorney explaining Minor v Happersett 1875 decison
    January 26, 2012 6:50 AM
    Anonymous said…[Reply]
    Attorney close:


    Witnessess have shown Barack Sr. has never been a US citizen; Therefore he is not “constitutionally eligible” for the Presidency.

    Case # 2 Mark Hatfield, Attorney

    Carl Swensson v Barack H. Obama Jr.

    Witness # 1 Carl Swensson

    identifies official Georgia ballot challenge for Obama to be on the DNC Ballot

    identifies divorce records of Obama’s parent Stanley and dunam and Barack Sr.

    identifies certified copy of Nomination of Barack Obama

    identifies discrepancy between democratic and gop certificate of nomination to POTUS. Dems do not use “constitutional requirement” gop does.

    identifies immigration and naturalization document

    identifies jablonski letter to kemp suspending proceedings by defendant obama
    January 26, 2012 7:05 AM
    Anonymous said…[Reply]
    Witness #2

    identifies 181 page microfilm doc from immigration and naturalization service regarding barack sr. and stanley ann dunham sotoro and lolo sotoro:

    barack sr. was NEVER A CITIZEN

  157. We can now call Newt supporters Moony’s
    I wonder if you donate to him, you get to move up on the transport list?

  158. I read many, many many comments over at AJC today and quite a few Obama supporters expressed the opinion that Obama would withhold federal funds to Georgia in retaliation to this move by Judge Malihi (justifiably so in their opinion) and shame at their fellow Georgians that this subject was ever broached, calling them racist rednecks etc. Shame on all of these commentators! Kudos to CW and and others from this blog for pointing out the truth. I for one am proud of Georgia, and you guys as well, whatever the outcome.

  159. Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | January 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm |



    I would add:

    4) Future
    5) Fear
    6) Forgetfulness

  160. Pat 1789 | January 26, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    No, Pat, if you are interested in any space travel, you will have to convert your dollars into rubles or yuan. Our military depends on space (satellite imagery, gps, to name a few) to maintain its might. Think about it.

    Obama is putting us into the perfect storm….devalued currency, no energy and he is slowly dismantling our weaponry and defense assets. God help us all.

    If you have a few minutes, here is the speech that Newt delivered on space yesterday in Florida.

  161. Don’t forget about one of the “predictions” made by WHI I believe about the ultimate false flag Obama’s regime will use when things may start going down against him….and blame it on “racists”! If this initial decision catches fire in other states (with objective judges will to obey state laws re: eligibility for state ballots) don’t be surprised about that ultimate “crisis”.

  162. William | January 26, 2012 at 3:04 pm |


    I briefly spoke over the phone with one of the Listed Plaintiffs whom happened to be represented by an Attorney (not Orly). He is due to call me back shortly. Now certainly anything he explains to me and I repeat on this site, will be legally considered hearsay. I understand that.
    When I used the word, “hearsay,” I was not speaking legalese. What I mean is, unless one of us is there AND hears the words “default” AND understands its context then, the validity of anything printed here on-line depends in large part on 1) the history of reliability of pronouncements of the reporter; or 2) whether, on its face, the report makes sense.

    I don’t know you or the lawyers in that room but, as I posted on my blog, the fact their brains haven’t learned the OSAH is part of the Executive branch of government, and not the Judicial branch does not bode well for the credibility of anything that comes out of their mouths.

  163. Michael Kingman | January 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm |


    Here is something to think about,

    “The common law of England is not the common law of these States.” –George Mason

    Under the old English common law doctrine of natural-born subject, birth itself was an act of naturalization that required no prior consent or demand of expressed allegiance to the nation in advance. Furthermore, birth was viewed as enjoining a “perpetual allegiance” upon all that could never be severed or altered by any change of time or act of anyone. England’s “perpetual allegiance” due from birth was extremely unpopular in this country; often referred to as absurd barbarism, or simply perpetual nonsense. America went to war with England over the doctrine behind “natural-born subject” in June of 1812.

    Because Britain considered all who were born within the dominions of the crown to be its natural-born subjects even after becoming naturalized citizens of the United States, led to British vessels blockading American ports. Under the British blockade, every American ship entering or leaving was boarded by soldiers in search of British born subjects. At least 6,000 American citizens who were found to be British natural-born subjects were pressed into military service on behalf of the British Empire, and thus, the reason we went to war.

    More can be found in full detail by the U.S. Constitutional Historian Madison below. I hope this adds to your insightful thoughts.


    p.s. I would add that reviewing the federalist papers is also an excellent read, many times over.

  164. Somebody needs to tell Newt that NASA is too busy with their Muslim Outreach Program to worry about Mars.

  165. I have never posted here before but have been lurking about for years for which I apologize.
    In observance of a recent epiphany, it has become clearer, to me at least, that we have indeed been chasing the wrong boogey man. Our focus, due to the mystery and secrecy surrounding (THE ONE) has been our downfall, as it was intended from the start. Kudos to JBJD!..
    Our focus all along should have been the DNC itself….think of the implications now…the DNC, whoever and whatever that is, and by way of their man now occupying the executive, has now been granted access to the most sensitive of state secrets, both political and those of the military.
    For whatever reason, during this past election, the DNC has chosen to deliberately go beyond that threshold of ethical prudence and restraint, to commit an act of political subversion against the United States.
    To borrow a quote from another source : ” to consider these people to be inept or stupid, is to invite disaster”…It is my belief that they knew exactly what they were doing from the start and can hardly believe their good fortune at not being found out sooner….

  166. I don’t know about everyone else on this website, but as for me, I’m getting damn sick and tired of the ultra liberals calling me a “Birther”.

    I am not a “Birther”, let me repeat that, “I am not a Birther”, but I readily admit I am a “CONSTITUTIONALIST”.

    I personally don’t care if Obama was born on the beaches of Hawaii, or on satin sheets in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House where he now poaches.

    I don’t care if his Mommie was married to the Kenyan drunk he claimed as his father in the book that Bill Ayers wrote, or if she was just sleeping around with him.

    I don’t care if “Uncle Frank”, whom he admired and learned so much from, showed him wet brown stains on his underpants and looked for the same on young Barry’s.

    I don’t care if his supposed granddad served with Patton’s army and help liberate that famous concentration camp in Poland (not counting the fact it was Russians who actually did that, of course).

    I don’t care if he sat in Rev Wright’s Church for 2o years and never heard the hate and venom coming out of that holy man’s mouth. I don’t care if he thought of Wright as a father figure and his mentor.

    I don’t care if he was a member in good standing of the Down Low Club in Chicago that caters exclusively to the gay community. I don’t care if his personal body man’s name was Reggie Love. I don’t care if he’s gay, hetro, homo,or both AC/DC.

    What I do deeply care about is what he has done to my country in a short period of three years. I care about the devision he has brought to our people.

    I care that as a nation we are rapidly losing our freedoms and will soon be totally controlled by an out-of-control Marxist form of government. Each day we learn of a new ‘czar” that reports directly to Obama.

    I care that we have a Congress that has surrendered it’s power to a Dictator. We have recently learned Obama wants to consolidate many agencies of our government under his control. Remember he did that same trick in Chicago and look at the graft it brought.

    I care that we have national news media outlets that support and defend his illegal behavior. I fear that “fair and balanced” news is just a catch word now, and a propoganda arm of who ever is in power. This mornings hearing in Atlanta is a prime example of the see no evil-report no evil concerning this corperate bought politican.

    I care deeply that daily our most prized document which has given us freedom and choice for over 230 years is quickly become “just another piece of paper” to be ignored at will by those in power.

    Today gave me a glimmer of hope for America. Today, I saw average citizens, just like you and I, standing up in defense of their Constitution. I saw a judge that did not cower down and run when threatened by the political mafia

    Hitler once said “that ideas are the hardest things to fight”. On this point, I will agree. The idea of freedom was started in the small villages and on the common greens throughout Colonial America. The sound of freedom spread like wildfire because it was the right thing to do.

    Again today, the sound of freedom was heard in that small court room. Today, as over 200 years ago, citizens stood their ground and delivered.

    Now it is up to us to carry this banner and spread the news by whatever means we have. We cannot, we must not, we shall not let this “call to arms” be muffled by those who would oppose the very things America was founded for.

    So if being someone who believes in the Constitution of the United States is also someone called a Birther then…………. so mote it be.

    I guess we can turn that around and say, if you are not a Birther, then apparently you don’t believe in the Constitution.

  167. Well,

    I certainly agree that NASA needs to continue its space program as its science certainly benefits our U.S. technologies. This does not need to ride on the backseats of other countries as Obama dreams, but independent of course. America should never take the back seat to China, Russia and/or India in space technology with the Hope and change that they just might share such newly discovered technology with us, just because….

    That is stupidity and recklessness, with a whopper of marxism.

  168. rminnc | January 26, 2012 at 3:54 pm |


    Damn WELL SAID!!!!!!!

    Salute to you Major, well done..

  169. rminnc.
    Bring this forward please.

  170. Anybody think that Obama and atty’s reasoning was to force a default judgement but then keeping the judge from actually ruling on the evidence presented? Any recommendation given to the SoS won’t be based on any of the testimony since the ruling of default was made outside of hearing that testimony and for other reasons. The recommendations of the expert witnesses to have further investigation into SSN and via HI records won’t necessarily be heeded since there was no rebuttal by the other side in order to force the discovery. How can one boxer show what he has when his opponent doesn’t show up and he wins by default? Now, if he continues not to show at any other state hearings and starts collecting more of same rulings things could become a problem. Waiting for SoS’ wording in ruling.

  171. William | January 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm |

    Michael Kingman | January 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm |


    Here is something to think about,

    “The common law of England is not the common law of these States.” –George Mason
    I am no lawyer, nor historian. I gather from what you are saying that the whole NBC argument falls apart. Educate me please.

  172. Thanks for the updates everyone! Why does JBJD appear to be the voice of doom? I don’t think “default” can be misconstrued?! I see being cautious in our optimism, but the JBJD posts always try to remind us that it is folly to believe that a lower/administrative proceeding is for naught and will have no consequence.

  173. Katie…….how do you spell Obot?

  174. coldwarvet | January 26, 2012 at 3:47 pm |

    Our focus all along should have been the DNC itself….



    While I certainly appreciate your forwardness to post your opinion and respect it as such, I do not agree that the entire focus should have been about the DNC.

    For example, should American’s completely ignore Congresses Duties under the Constitutional Amendments, their duty under law, to ignore what they should have done, which was to vet “any” candidate? And blame just the DNC?

    Should American’s (regardless of party) be denied a redress of grievance in a court of law with our judicial branch, granted to us by the U.S. Constitution?

    Should American’s be denied representation as citizens for redress of criminal activities, simply placed as nothing they can do?

    The DNC and RNC, have no constitutional authority, but the branches that do, ignored the problem.

  175. SueQ | January 26, 2012 at 4:05 pm |


    Just take 10 min. of your time, read both links I provided, then it will make sense.

    Great read. Mario Apuzzo agrees as well.

  176. William…
    In answer to your question, it was never my intent to imply there was not a remedy available elsewhere….and that our legislative branch had an obligation concerning our securiy . Your statement that the two parties have no legislative authority is correct and I have no problem with that, or anything else you were advocating for that matter…
    My insight was merely that, by virtue of the right to advance a candidate gives the party a tremendous amount of influence over the outcome of an election. The foregoing is especially true when one considers that, as a result of running a candidate in any election, it then becomes possible to accept the funds for such candidate to be successful. When considering these facts, it begins to be clearer as to where the head of the snake truly resides.
    By the way, I am in total agreement that there is more tha ample room for change concerning how our Constitutional guarantees are implemented and should be attended to, quite frankly, before they become irrelevent.

  177. William,

    It took a good 20 minutes of my time to absorb only half. Guess I am somewhat challenged. Anyway, I intend to continue and I appreciate the links.

    As I read the first part. I couldn’t help but remember the case of Elian Gonzolas who was returned to Cuba at the request of his father during the Clinton admin. Remember the whole Janet Reno debacle? It broke my heart. The mother’s desires were never considered though she lost her life trying to reach freedom. But that’s another story. Thanks. I will ponder what you said.

  178. My point about EG (though I didn’t express it well) was that I guess Reno was following the law…

    “When a child inherits the citizenship of their father, they become a natural-born citizen of the nation their father belongs.”

  179. I doubt very seriously if this is going any where. I have seen it to many times already. Don’t get me wrong, I sure wish it would. They have had enough on Obama for two years now to throw him out ten time over and no judge or politician would touch it. Now here is something that will really turn your stomach. If they can not get him off of the ballot in a few states he will go right back into office and the American people will be the ones to do it. Why? Because Romney will never beat him in the general election. Romney will not get the Ron Paul supporters and he will never beat Obama without them. This is the reason I am voting Ron Paul. He has the best shot at knocking Obama off. RP will get the Republican vote because we have no choice, it would either be Obama or Paul. Paul can also get a lot of Independents and cross over Democrats taking them away from Obama. I will vote Paul and if he does not get the nomination then I will vote for who ever pops up. But if we go with Romney or Newt then we are toast. Just a word of warning.

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