Blagojevich trial witnesses, Alonzo Monk, June 9, 2010, Blagojevich chief of staff, Rezko trial revelations
Alonzo Monk, former Blagojevich chief of staff and law school roommate, will likely be one of the first witnesses called by the prosecution. Monk has plead guilty to scheming with Rod Blagojevich to shake down a racetrack businessman for a $100,000 campaign contribution. Here is some background on Alonzo Monk and his involvement in Chicago and Illinois corruption.
From the Tony Rezko trial in 2008.
March 10, 2008
“”He called me and he said we need to move on Stuart Levine,” Hayden testified. Hayden said Rezko told her he had already spoken to her boss, Blagojevich chief of staff Lon Monk, about the Levine reappointment and been assured the appointment would go through.
Hayden said Rezko laughed when she said she would have to check with Monk herself. “I took that to mean that I could go ahead and ask him, but it was already a done deal,” she recalled.”
March 19, 2008
“Levine also said that Rezko told him that he and fellow Blagojevich fundraiser Christopher Kelly “exercised the most influence” in Blagojevich’s kitchen cabinet. And Levine said Rezko told him that “all the major decisions in the governor’s office were cleared through [chief of staff] Lon Monk and through Mr. Rezko.”
“Mr. Rezko told me that he was able to have individuals appointed to state boards and was able to have individuals hired into state agencies and that he spoke very often — and in fact went over decisions — that Lon Monk would put into place,” Levine said.”
April 15, 2008
“Cari said he met with Stuart Levine at Rezko’s office in January that year. Rezko said he had the power to award contracts and get consultants hired through the governor’s then-chief of staff, Lon Monk, Cari said.
“Mr. Monk took direction from [Rezko],” Cari told the jury.
Rezko illustrated his clout by picking up the phone and apparently calling Monk in front of him, Cari said.”
Alonzo Monk pleads guilty in 2009.
From CBS Chicago Oct 20, 2009
“Blagojevich Pal Alonzo Monk Pleads Guilty
Former Chief Of Staff Cooperating With Feds In Exchange For Reduced Sentence”
“Former Rod Blagojevich Chief of Staff Alonzo Monk pleaded guilty Tuesday to his role in an alleged scheme by Blagojevich and his top aides to profit off state business deals.
A longtime friend and ex-chief of staff to Rod Blagojevich said he was an eyewitness to a litany of corruption — including a scheme by the former governor and his top aides to profit off state business deals, according to a guilty plea entered Tuesday.
Lon Monk, 51, of Decatur, said in a plea agreement with the federal government that during the ex-governor’s first term in office, there was an ongoing agreement among Blagojevich and his closest advisers that involved making hundreds of thousands of dollars off state business deals.
A personal friend of Blagojevich who was also the ex-governor’s law school roommate, Monk said Blagojevich sat in on meetings where there were discussions about splitting money from state business four ways, according to the plea. The alleged recipients: Blagojevich, the now-deceased Christopher Kelly, convicted businessman Tony Rezko and Monk.
The plea indicates that Rezko was responsible for setting up money-making arrangements from the state deals. Monk said that Blagojevich and Monk agreed to use “their power and authority in state government” to help Rezko and Kelly make money. Monk said as part of the agreement, he and Blagojevich would “share in the money that was made” but they wouldn’t get their cut until after they were no longer in government, according to the deal.
Monk’s plea pledges his cooperation with federal prosecutors in exchange for a two-year prison sentence instead of the nearly four years he faced.”
“One of the state deals involved the refinancing of $10 billion in Pension Obligation Bonds by the state of Illinois in 2003, according to the plea.
Monk says that two of Blagojevich’s advisers picked the underwriter that Blagojevich subsequently chose to take the lead role on the bond sale. Monk said he learned there was a deal in which the four would split a $500,000 kickback from an investment firm acting as a consultant on the deal. The plea agreement doesn’t give further details about the money.
Discussions about making money off of state deals stopped when the FBI visited Stuart Levine, a member of two state boards and a longtime political donor, according to the plea.
Still, Monk claims he received cash payments from Rezko from 2004 to 2005. Rezko delivered to Monk $10,000 in cash payments seven to nine times, his plea says.
“Rezko never suggested that [Monk] would have to pay Rezko back and [Monk] understood that the money that Rezko provided was a gift, not a loan,” the plea indicates.”
“Monk also claims in his plea deal that Blagojevich and others met about making money off of a lucrative piece of property at Roosevelt and Clark in Chicago.
“Rezko talked about different ways that [Monk], Blagojevich, and Kelly could benefit from the Roosevelt and Clark Project, such as by having Blagojevich’s wife work on marketing the project or by allowing [Monk] to work on the project after [Monk] left state government,” the plea indicates.
While Monk admitted to knowing about a variety of alleged schemes including one involving a tollway project and another involving state money for Children’s Memorial Hospital.”
Read more:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/alonzo.monk.plea.2.1258765.html
From Citizen Wells April 3, 2010.
“This issue may be sorted out soon enough because Fitzgerald’s charts matching up Obama’s contributions, visits and calls are bound to be every bit as thorough as the ones produced to prove Rezko is guilty as charged in the first trial. They simply were not produced because they were not needed to prove the defendant guilty in the first case.
As an example of what records might be squirreled away, consider that an FBI agent presented a chart to the jury on April 28, 2008, showing 257 calls from Rezko’s phones to Blagojevich’s chief of staff, Lon Monk, between March 2004 and May 2004 alone.”
To learn more about Chicago and Illinois corruption and Alonzo Monk’s involvement:
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bob strauss // June 9, 2010 at 10:11 am
Got through and listened to Tim Adams, now who is going to do anything about it? Our courts seem to be worthless at protecting the people.
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bob strauss,
Our courts are worthless at protecting the people because they are part of the TPTB, and they aren’t here to protect us, just them. We all know about MObama’s involvement in the patient-dumping scheme. See any indictments coming her way? We all know about Zero and Rhambo’s involvement in more illegal activities than I can even list. No indictments. Blago is the sacrificial lamb. Soothe the people with a dog-and-pony-show stab at “justice”.
In medieval times the lords only took 25% of what the serfs raised. The government (at all levels) now takes almost half of what we make. Then only difference between then an now is we have a fake justice system instead of a king or lord who can just say, “Off with their head.”
Oh, sh*t, didn’t Zero recently issue a “shot to kill” order for an American citizen by the name of Anwar Awlaki? King Obama. Off with his head. So much for the justice system protecting its citizens.
Nothing is as it seems. Nothing is the way it was. We are all now in THEIR rabbit hole, and living by their rules, whether we want to, or not.
Fernley Girl.
I have done some minimal research trying to vet Adams.
You get me the proof & I will do something!
Hi …Did anyone hear how Orly did in her run for Secratary of State in Cal.? I didn’t find anything at her site. Thanks for all info. God Bless !!
Hi CW
I found this on Tim Adams on the Western Kentucky University web site. It’s public info.
Timothy Adams
timothy.adams773@wku.edu
CH 20
745-5767
http://www.wku.edu/pcal/faculty
Taitz lost by 48 points to Damon Dunn.
WKU faculty/staff directory on-line provides no hits for Tim or Timothy Adams
Bill G.
I just found Adams there.
Things are moving fast here. I try to post items at least near the correct part of the discussion. Hence, I suggest everybody keep tabs on at least the last 3 or 4 threads.
CW… The website featuring article about Tim Adams was removed due to reason stating stormfront not welcome there. Stormfront is a racist group.
Hi amy
Which web site?
Lurker.. I searched Tim Adams Kentucky and clicked onto the site with what was suppose to be an article about what Tim stated on the radio. It had been removed
I search him thru Ky just to see what I would get
I can empathize with Mr. Adams when you have info that boCohorts are trying to suppress you will go on any radio program or forum that allows Free Speech, but that does not mean that you agree with everything that is said or posted on the site.
If the Tim Turner thing is legit, it will surface again.
It would be easy to find out if the man who called into the radio is in fact the man listed on the roster of the English Dept at WKU. His contact info is right there with his name
Perhaps many who have information such as Tim Adams realize how dangerous o is. Perhaps they need to go public for their safety.
Timothy Adams Facebook:
Education
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College University of Hawaii ’08
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High School Little Miami ’83
Thanks amy
Okay, I performed the same search as you “Tim Adams Kentucky”and found the dead link. It was from freerepublic.com. I recognized the name “pissant”, a longtime FR commenter.
Timothy Adams Facebook:
Likes and Interests
.Other ‘Let’s eat Grandma!’ or, ‘Let’s eat, Grandma!’ Punctuation saves lives., Oregon, Kamehameha Schools, Barack Obama, National Marriage Boycott, Matthew Shepard Foundation, University of Hawaii Alumni Association, Mafia Wars, How likely are you to go to jail?, Comedy Central Insider, 1,000,000 Strong for Repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT)Show all (11)
‘Let’s eat Grandma!’
If you have studied how the evidence against bo has been exposed. It has never been through the traditional msm outlets. It has been revealed on CW, the Steady Drip, Atlas Shrugs, Investigating Obama etc. I know if it had not been for websites like those, the truth about what happened to my Family would never have been revealed. CW has written extensively about the Orwellian aspects of the bo regime. bo’s aim is to channel all info through a media bottle neck that he can control. He can’t control internet media sources so that is where Patriots go to reveal the truth about bo.
Thus, it is not surprising to me that Mr. Adams revelations were first heard on James Edwards program, much to the surprise of Mr. Edwards and the rest of us.
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=62492433062#!/profile.php?id=1354180138
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Perhaps many who have information such as Tim Adams realize how dangerous o is. Perhaps they need to go public for their safety.
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That was certainly true in my case. Had I not gone public I would be dead.
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
One part of Adams story is true. At the link, HI does hire temps during election cycles.
http://www.honoluluelections.us/about_us
CW @ 1:08 pm
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
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Hi CW
What did you find that makes you think Tim Adams is a fraud? I went to his FB page that you posted and noticed a link to BO’s FB. I haven’t found any TA comments (yet) on BO’s FB. Did you find something there?
Hey all –
While ‘distracted’ by all these things, there is another “Rome Is Burning” thing going on. The GOM Oil Gusher could overwhelm everything else – Nationally, and perhaps worldwide.
Read my latest extensive report at
https://citizenwells.com/2010/06/08/citizen-news-reports-june-8-2010/
I mistakenly posted this on another thread.
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jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm
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William // June 9, 2010 at 9:55 am
In other words, there was rock solid absolute proff that Dunn was registared as a democrat in florida and switched parties, however to run on his new party ticket, now the repubican ticket, he had to have been a repubican for a minimum of 12 months to be eligeble to run, which he was not. Also, proff that he contacted Florida and tried to get them to scrub the date he switched, which they refused to do.
Is it just me or does it appear the democrats are switching parties because they know itls over, infiltrated by the socialist party and now wish to infiltrate the republican party.
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The links were up last night for everyone to see. According to news reports (and not the narrative of Ms. Taitz), Mr. Dunn registered as a D in FL, when he played ball there; and then moved. Election law in FL says, when verifications of voter registration have been sent by the state and return as undeliverable; and the voter names on those notices fails to vote in 2 (two) state elections for federal officers; the registration is removed/voided/canceled. Mr. Dunn registered in CA as a R, more than a year after FL expunged his voter registration in that state. Thus, he did not hold the registration in the D party during the one-year period preceding his registration in CA as R. Orly argues, incorrectly, that since Mr. Dunn personally failed to withdraw his D registration in FL then, he was a D until he was a R, violating CA law regarding party affiliation eligibility to be placed on ballot.
Does this clarify the issues?
Well, over at the FB place, under things that he likes, it says Obama. Is this what you’re referring to?
This was also on that other thread.
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jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 12:57 pm
See, people’s time and energies have been misdirected on another wild goose chase.
Yesterday, someone posted the link to the radio show. I saw that the show (and the video) were sponsored by the organization, Council of Conservative Citizens. Immediately, I was suspicious. (The logo looked much like a Klan logo to me, too.) Still, I listened to the first couple of minutes. I chuckled. Why would a state of HI elections official end up on this show? In other words, it did not pass the smell test. So, I looked up the CCC. And that’s how I found they are a white supremacy group. Then just to touch every base, I looked up Mr. Adams. Not surprisingly, I found nothing.
I reported back what I had found, with links.
The only reason I spent more than a few seconds on this endeavor was the fact, people are posting this drivel all over the internet. And well-intentioned people are following up.
Waste of time and energy. More importantly, the only reason to pursue even this bogus ‘lead’ would be to advance the argument that BO is not Constitutionally qualified for POTUS and, therefore, should be Impeached. But this will not accomplish that. To get BO out of office, first, people have to understand state election laws.
If people cannot spend at least as much time and energy learning how BO got into office, as involving themselves in wild goose chases at the drop of a hat; then perhaps having a Constitutionally unqualified man in the WH is not the biggest problem faced.
Even on a practical level, if people in each state have no idea that 1) Electors are not required by law to vote only for a Constitutionally qualified candidate; 2) they only elect Electors in November; or 3) Electors may elect a POTUS whose name didn’t appear on the general election ballot, for example then, they will not write the laws that can change this.
Of course, writing new laws will change nothing as long as citizens fail to insist the existing (ballot) laws of their state must be followed. Because if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writingnew laws change their minds?
Hi kittycat @ 1:20 pm
I asked the same question. lol And, anxiously awaiting an answer.
Thanks for the info. on Orly…..bummer…..keep on fighting fellow citizens….God Bless!!!
Maybe CW’s still trying to figure it out. Don’t know.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
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Thanks CW!
Any ideas regarding the purpose of the fraud. Was it merely to try and discredit sites like The Steady Drip & CW?
Everything I have seen of bo’s regime leads Gme to believe that they are prepared for litigation in Federal Court on eligibility and prosecution in Federal Court in DC on bo’s fraud.
What the bo regime is not prepared for are multi-State Citizen Grand Jury Indictments of bo.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writing new laws change their minds?
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Exactly…they would just ignore them as well.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
http://www.wnd.com
http://www.repubx.com articles FALSE FLAG OIL SPILL????? READ ARTICLES
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Philo-Publius // June 9, 2010 at 1:25 pm
if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writing new laws change their minds?
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Exactly…they would just ignore them as well.
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And that’s why we need to make them enforce existing laws. How? By visiting their offices, and getting our fellow citizens to visit their offices, and bringing the press along when we and our fellow citizens visit their offices.
But first, we have to KNOW our existing laws; and which laws were broken; and then, petition (literally) our government to do its job.
Fortunately for the citizens of GA, HI, MD, SC, TX, and VA, I have already done this work for you. You passed election laws in your state requiring candidate eligibiltiy to get on the ballot; these laws were broken; you documented this violation in a citizen complaint, sent your complaint to the appropriate state official, and asked this official to investigate your complaint. Nothing happened. Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.
my response to last night’s discussion has been posted on the original thread. i do not plan to bring it upstairs b/c this thread is dedicated to the Blago trial and wish to respect CWs new rules. Helen
Isn’t it convenient how jbjd had all this info in advance on CCC & Adams? Makes it apparent that jbjd was part of the setup of Aristotle & CW.
jbjd is shameless. Now he/she comes back pointing fingers at the people who followed the bo SCAM and opining that We the People should not demand a reform of Election Laws because the boBot messiah will ignore them.
Give it a rest jbjd, you have no more credibility than bo.
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PELOSI,BOYD RICHIE,ALLICE GERMOND AND OTHERS PERPETRATED NATIONWIDE ELECTION FRAUD BY LYING TO STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS TO GET BHO ON THE 2008 BALLOT
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Helen @ 1:33 pm
Hi Helen
I must have missed CW’s new blog rules, as I’m sure others have as well, judging by all the O/T comments here. Would you please paste the link where CW posted these rules so everyone is aware? None of us here want to be disrespectful, Helen.
How about a little humor while we wait to hear from cw re: Tim Adams……..
newsbusted — June 08, 2010 — Topics in today’s show:
— Helen Thomas retires
— Gaza flotilla passengers attacked Israeli soldiers
— Ump costs Tigers picture perfect game
— Obama visits Gulf again
— Gov. Brewer talks immigration with POTUS
— Al and Tipper Gore separate
— Paul McCartney: Bush doesn’t know what a library is
— Women fired for being too hot
CW,
Would it be worthwhile to contact the host of the radio show and ask him to confirm the FB photo of Adams is the same person that told the story about the long form bc on the show?
Helen,
It is easy for boBots to distract from sound legal arguments since they are lawless and not bound by any law in the UTTER NONSENSE that they post. When the boBots post NONSENSE that they can not back up they try to deceive by saying only they have some “truth” that only they & the “elders” know & can not reveal.
They can’t reveal it because it is all BS and they know the intelligent posters here will see that it is NONSENSE.
Carly Fiorina won the R primary in CA for US Senate. She will be going up against Senator Barbara Boxer. Want to see a GREAT victory speech?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/barbara-boxer-doesnt-scare-me-a-bit/
“We march with our vote.” “We all belong to one party this year, the “Had Enough Party.”
I ran across some great Chinese proverbs.
“Do not use a hatchet to remove a fly from your friend’s forehead.”
“Mankind fears an evil man but heaven does not.”
“One generation plants the trees; another gets the shade.” (Or the cesspool, as the case may be)
“Even a hare will bite when it is cornered.”
http://www.famous-proverbs.com/chinese.htm
Lurker, my understanding of CWs new rules is he will post “open thread” for those who wish to share and comment on other topics while other threads are dedicated to the topic he’s posted.
At least this is my understanding. Happy to be wrong.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Fortunately for the citizens of GA, HI, MD, SC, TX, and VA, I have already done this work for you. You passed election laws in your state requiring candidate eligibiltiy to get on the ballot; these laws were broken; you documented this violation in a citizen complaint, sent your complaint to the appropriate state official, and asked this official to investigate your complaint. Nothing happened. Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.
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LOL!
DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ANY SANE, REASONABLY INTELLIGENT PERSON TO BUY UR BS?
“Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.” LOL!
Leo
What is your beef with jdjb? Everyone is entitled to FREE SPEECH. Lay off please.
Larry Sinclair —
Just want you to know I pray for your protection and deliverance from the evil and injustice perpetrated against you.
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TRUTH NOW // June 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm
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http://WWW.WND.COM WHISTLEBLOWER MAGAZINE
PELOSI,BOYD RICHIE,ALLICE GERMOND AND OTHERS PERPETRATED NATIONWIDE ELECTION FRAUD BY LYING TO STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS TO GET BHO ON THE 2008 BALLOT
PASS THIS FAR AND WIDE
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TRUTH NOW, as you and everyone else on this blog knows or should know by now, this ‘lying to election officials to get BO’s name on the state ballot’ is my work on election fraud. (The heading you posted leaves out this qualifier: lying about BO’s eligibility only constitutes fraud in applicable states.) Fortunately, I began posting my work on election fraud over a year-and-a-half ago now; I posted the first election fraud complaints last August. But when I went to the link you provided, I could not find the article.
Can you provide a more direct link?
Helen.
That is the basic idea.
Thanks.
Fernley Girl.
Yes.
jbjd says, “Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.”
NONSENSE! Now you need to INDICT the bo co-conspirators in your State who violated the Election Laws.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
citizenwells @ 2:08 pm
Is this where you want us to post unrelated comments?
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/blagojevich-trial-witnesses-alonzo-monk-blagojevich-chief-of-staff-ghost-of-christmas-past-open-thread/
Free Speech.
D I V E R S I O N S
One of the oldest battle tactics.
kittycat.
Until I am proven wrong, Adams is a fraud.
Here’s one I missed because the local news didn’t bother to report it.
Bust of communist dictator Stalin placed at the National D-Day Memorial
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/7/stalin-bust-has-virginia-town-red-faced/
Thanks for heads-up about posting expectations. I missed that bit, too.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Free Speech.
D I V E R S I O N S
One of the oldest battle tactics.”
Yes, Wells. It is a testimony to our fortitude that we are able to defeat the forces of bo’s regime with such quick dispatch. Thanks again for exposing the boAdams Scam.
jbjd, Dunn would have voted for Obama, is this not in the window of eligibility to be a democrat?
“Monk said that Blagojevich and Monk agreed to use “their power and authority in state government” to help Rezko and Kelly make money.”
And here we have the crux of the matter. Our erstwhile officials have banded together to use “their power and authority in state government” to keep themselves in power and to keep the true statespeople, you know, the ones into reasoned governance that builds up a nation and benefits the citizens, OUT of government.
New laws, old laws, Constitution — nothing diverts these intractable crooks from their self-appointed mission of self-aggrandizement (the act of making oneself more wealthy, powerful, etc, especially in a ruthless way; the act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one’s own importance, power, or reputation.)
Right now, the Blago trial, Dr. Orly, jbjd, Cmdr Kerchner, Mario Apuzzo, LTC Lakin, the eligibility plaintiffs, we-the-people are in dire need of people who are solidly invested in enacting the laws according to foundational precepts of the Constitution.
Birther Army Doc Waives Hearing, Court Martial Likely To Move Ahead
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2531108/posts
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:53 pm
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That speech by Carly was a great Stem-winder.
She just has to keep playing this over and over in her ads –
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Why would lt.Col.Lakin’s waive the hearing?
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It is unusual that a Defendant would waive a preliminary hearing? Even when I didn’t want to present any evidence at a preliminary hearing, I always made the prosecutor present evidence to support the charge. A lawyer can learn a great deal from a preliminary hearing.
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
“A court martial will give him more standing in appeal.”
A Defendant waives a hearing when the facts and evidence are not in dispute and when only the law will be litigated. Lt. Col. Lakin’s conduct is not in dispute here, but only whether that conduct rises to the level of the crime charged under the UCMJ.
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ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
“A court martial will give him more standing in appeal.”
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It was a preliminary hearing in his Court Martial was’nt it?
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm
A Defendant waives a hearing when the facts and evidence are not in dispute and when only the law will be litigated.
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NONSENSE.
The facts & evidence are DEFINITELY in dispute in Lakin’s case, i.e., bo is NOT a legitimate POTUS, thus Lakin did NOT disobey a legitimate order, among other facts and evidence in dispute.
Moreover, there is no downside to forcing the prosecutor to present evidence to support his charge at a preliminary hearing.
ok thanks alot for the input. I guess I won’t be going there on friday then.
Am I wrong – I thought all cases brought before the Supreme Ct so far were thrown out because The Average Citizen has been determined to have no standing according to them? LTC Lakin is saying he won’t take orders from an ineligible CIC because he would have something, along with all other service people, to lose by taking orders from a fraud -HIS LIFE. ALL HE WANTS TO SEE ARE THE USURPERS LEGITIMATE COLB.
What happens now?
Unless the accused waives this right, no charge may be referred to a general court-martial until a thorough and impartial investigation into the basis for the charge has been made. This pretrial proceeding is known as an “Article 32” investigation or preliminary hearing and essentially serves the equivalent function of a grand jury hearing in civilian jurisdictions
The only reason I can find that he waived his right is to move the trial out of this judge’s jurisdiction as soon as possible and on to appeal on up – based on the refusal of his rights for an “impartial” investigation. Did he take the advice of his attorney in this??
Also, this avenue may later give the Supreme Court a chance to refer the case back to correct the procedure rather than having to rule on the case itself … and remember, Thomas mentioned the fact that the Court was “dodging” this type of decision themselves but he seemed to want a situation where the question could be addressed finally.
Press Release: Lakin Waives Preliminary Hearing
American Patriot Foundation, Inc.
1101 Thirtieth Street, N.W., Suite 500
Washington, D.C. 20007
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com
PRESS RELEASE
DECORATED ARMY DOCTOR LTC TERRY LAKIN WAIVES PRELIMINARY HEARING AND ANNOUNCES NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO
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CASE TO NOW PROCEED DIRECTLY TO GENERAL COURT MARTIAL
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HEARING WILL NOT PROCEED ON JUNE 11, 2010
Washington, D.C., June 9, 2010. Saying that the Army has made it “impossible for me to present a defense”
at the Article 32 “preliminary hearing” previously scheduled for June 11, 2010, Lt. Colonel Terrence Lakin has officially waived –cancelled—that proceeding. Therefore, the case will move inexorably on to a General Court Martial. The punishment for the charges filed against LTC Lakin carry a maximum term of four years in the penitentiary. Lakin expects the trial to be held in the early fall, but this has yet to be determined. The next step will be the formal referral of the charges by Lakin’s Commanding General, Major General Carla Hawley-Bowland, followed by his arraignment before a Military Judge, both of which are expected before the end of June.
Lakin, through his legal defense team, requested the testimony of Dr. Chiyome Fukino of the Hawaii Dept. of Health, and all of that agency’s records that exist concerning the president’s birth. Lakin had also requested the testimony of the custodians of records of, and the records relating to Obama’s admission and financial aid that exist, of the Punahou School, Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. All these requests were also summarily denied, leaving Lakin without any ability to mount a defense at the hearing. However, in that this hearing was preliminary in nature in the first place, Lakin will renew his requests to the Military Judge at the appropriate time.
Lakin also released a new 5-minute video on Youtube explaining why he believes there are reasonable arguments that President Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief. The video can be viewed at http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/video2.html.
The video is being released under the auspices of the American Patriot Foundation, a non-profit group incorporated in 2003 to foster appreciation and respect for the U.S. Constitution, in the one month since establishing a fund to provide a legal defense to LTC Lakin, has received generous donations from more than 1,200 separate individuals. Further details are available on the Foundation’s website, http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com.
Lt. Col. Lakin admits he is disobeying a direct order. Assuming according to the rules of procedure in this case, if he can offer an affirmative defense – that is, a ‘yes I did it but I should not be punished because…’ – that affirmative defense will be either 1) the order was illegal and, therefore, under the UCMJ, he was obligated to disobey; or 2) the order was legal but in conflict with another mandatory provision of the UCMJ.
If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.
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Washington, D.C., June 9, 2010. Saying that the Army has made it “impossible for me to present a defense”
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There you go. See, he is not denying, he broke a rule. Seems he wanted to argue an affirmative defense that, he broke it but… And the court has ruled, he will not be allowed to claim this affirmative defense.
This case will never reach the issue of Presidential eligibility.
Thanx FS for that last post. I will be sending in a donation to the defense fund for LTC Lakin.
Well there sure are grounds for someone to demand that Obama present a VALID birth certificate. We now have a retired Major General (MG Valley) calling for O’s ouster!
Since Obama is entrusted with the highest state secrets of our country, Obama must also have a VALID security clearance.
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
Something stinks in Washington and it isn’t the fish!
SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM
Why on earth are you contributing to a Foundation set up in 2003, and which no where even ‘promises’ to divert Foundation funds to Lt. Col. Lakin’s defense, let alone cite any evidence whatsoever that the man authorized them to collect such funds, on his behalf?
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Thanx FS for that last post. I will be sending in a donation to the defense fund for LTC Lakin.
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U R welcome Helga.
jbjd,
UR ATTACKS on the Honorable Lt. Col. Lakin, a man who has distinguished himself in Service to our Nation, in defense of bo is DESPICABLE!
I suspect that in waiving the prelim, Lakin’s attorneys have another strategy up their sleeve, a strategy that obviously FRIGHTENS jbjd & boBots.
RMinNC // June 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Well there sure are grounds for someone to demand that Obama present a VALID birth certificate. We now have a retired Major General (MG Valley) calling for O’s ouster!
Since Obama is entrusted with the highest state secrets of our country, Obama must also have a VALID security clearance.
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
Something stinks in Washington and it isn’t the fish!
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Good Question!
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It seems to me that jbjd’s own posts evidence a strategy more supportive of BHO than not. A regular reader at CW, I discount and scan over every jbjd entry as not informative or constructive.
He is who he says he is as far as being from Hawaii and Kentucky.
CW Why so quick to call him a fraud. I’ve been looking around and can’t confirm or deny the validity of his comments’
Article & Fox news video
Blago Stares Down Old Friend as Lon Monk Takes Stand
Excerpt-Monk testimony
UPDATE: 4:03 p.m.
Monk remains on the stand, now describing $10 billion pension obligation deal, which Blagojevich cronies allegedly steered to connected firms.
UPDATE: 3:12 p.m. by Larry Yellen
Lon Monk remains on the witness stand this afternoon, laying the foundation for a variety of alleged schemes supposedly participated in by former Gov. Blagojevich.
He described how then-Congressman Rahm Emanuel said he wanted a state grant for the Chicago Academy, a school in the congressman’s district, but that then-Gov. Blagojevich said the grant should be held up until more was learned about a possible fundraiser to be held for Blagojevich by the congressman’s brother, a California talent agent.
During this testimony, President Barack Obama’s name surfaced for the first time, as Monk indicated that Emanuel is now the White House chief of staff.
Later, Monk testified how Monk, Tony Rezko, Chris Kelly and Blagojevich gathered in late summer or early fall, 2003, when Rezko laid out eight or nine ways that they could make money from Blagojevich’s position.
“It was in all likelihood wrong and breaking the law,” Monk testified, and said the plan was for the four of them to divide the money equally after Blagojevich was out of office.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/rod-blagojevich-trial-lon-monk-day-five-20100609
RMinNC
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
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Soetoro can’t get a security clearance . He belonged to organizations that promoted the overthrow of the government. He also had many terrorist friends and acquaintances.
This also makes his oath of office completely bogus , a usurper in many different ways.
Look up the qualifications to take the oath of office.
Once again, jbjd, is proven as a prevaricator of FALSEHOODS. At the end of part 2 of Lt. Col. Lakin, his attorney refers to the website for donations.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/about.html
All elected officials get a “security clearance” by virtue of the people electing them to the office they won. BHO/BS was tacitly given a security clearance because he was allegedly elected to the office of POTUS.
Aristotle,
I have offered to Mr. Adam’s affidavit & deposition for his safety and the preservation of the evidence against bo. He has not responded to my email.
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Blagojevich trial witnesses, Alonzo Monk, June 9, 2010, Blagojevich chief of staff, Rezko trial revelations
Alonzo Monk, former Blagojevich chief of staff and law school roommate, will likely be one of the first witnesses called by the prosecution. Monk has plead guilty to scheming with Rod Blagojevich to shake down a racetrack businessman for a $100,000 campaign contribution. Here is some background on Alonzo Monk and his involvement in Chicago and Illinois corruption.
From the Tony Rezko trial in 2008.
March 10, 2008
“”He called me and he said we need to move on Stuart Levine,” Hayden testified. Hayden said Rezko told her he had already spoken to her boss, Blagojevich chief of staff Lon Monk, about the Levine reappointment and been assured the appointment would go through.
Hayden said Rezko laughed when she said she would have to check with Monk herself. “I took that to mean that I could go ahead and ask him, but it was already a done deal,” she recalled.”
March 19, 2008
“Levine also said that Rezko told him that he and fellow Blagojevich fundraiser Christopher Kelly “exercised the most influence” in Blagojevich’s kitchen cabinet. And Levine said Rezko told him that “all the major decisions in the governor’s office were cleared through [chief of staff] Lon Monk and through Mr. Rezko.”
“Mr. Rezko told me that he was able to have individuals appointed to state boards and was able to have individuals hired into state agencies and that he spoke very often — and in fact went over decisions — that Lon Monk would put into place,” Levine said.”
April 15, 2008
“Cari said he met with Stuart Levine at Rezko’s office in January that year. Rezko said he had the power to award contracts and get consultants hired through the governor’s then-chief of staff, Lon Monk, Cari said.
“Mr. Monk took direction from [Rezko],” Cari told the jury.
Rezko illustrated his clout by picking up the phone and apparently calling Monk in front of him, Cari said.”
Alonzo Monk pleads guilty in 2009.
From CBS Chicago Oct 20, 2009
“Blagojevich Pal Alonzo Monk Pleads Guilty
Former Chief Of Staff Cooperating With Feds In Exchange For Reduced Sentence”
“Former Rod Blagojevich Chief of Staff Alonzo Monk pleaded guilty Tuesday to his role in an alleged scheme by Blagojevich and his top aides to profit off state business deals.
A longtime friend and ex-chief of staff to Rod Blagojevich said he was an eyewitness to a litany of corruption — including a scheme by the former governor and his top aides to profit off state business deals, according to a guilty plea entered Tuesday.
Lon Monk, 51, of Decatur, said in a plea agreement with the federal government that during the ex-governor’s first term in office, there was an ongoing agreement among Blagojevich and his closest advisers that involved making hundreds of thousands of dollars off state business deals.
A personal friend of Blagojevich who was also the ex-governor’s law school roommate, Monk said Blagojevich sat in on meetings where there were discussions about splitting money from state business four ways, according to the plea. The alleged recipients: Blagojevich, the now-deceased Christopher Kelly, convicted businessman Tony Rezko and Monk.
The plea indicates that Rezko was responsible for setting up money-making arrangements from the state deals. Monk said that Blagojevich and Monk agreed to use “their power and authority in state government” to help Rezko and Kelly make money. Monk said as part of the agreement, he and Blagojevich would “share in the money that was made” but they wouldn’t get their cut until after they were no longer in government, according to the deal.
Monk’s plea pledges his cooperation with federal prosecutors in exchange for a two-year prison sentence instead of the nearly four years he faced.”
“One of the state deals involved the refinancing of $10 billion in Pension Obligation Bonds by the state of Illinois in 2003, according to the plea.
Monk says that two of Blagojevich’s advisers picked the underwriter that Blagojevich subsequently chose to take the lead role on the bond sale. Monk said he learned there was a deal in which the four would split a $500,000 kickback from an investment firm acting as a consultant on the deal. The plea agreement doesn’t give further details about the money.
Discussions about making money off of state deals stopped when the FBI visited Stuart Levine, a member of two state boards and a longtime political donor, according to the plea.
Still, Monk claims he received cash payments from Rezko from 2004 to 2005. Rezko delivered to Monk $10,000 in cash payments seven to nine times, his plea says.
“Rezko never suggested that [Monk] would have to pay Rezko back and [Monk] understood that the money that Rezko provided was a gift, not a loan,” the plea indicates.”
“Monk also claims in his plea deal that Blagojevich and others met about making money off of a lucrative piece of property at Roosevelt and Clark in Chicago.
“Rezko talked about different ways that [Monk], Blagojevich, and Kelly could benefit from the Roosevelt and Clark Project, such as by having Blagojevich’s wife work on marketing the project or by allowing [Monk] to work on the project after [Monk] left state government,” the plea indicates.
While Monk admitted to knowing about a variety of alleged schemes including one involving a tollway project and another involving state money for Children’s Memorial Hospital.”
Read more:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/alonzo.monk.plea.2.1258765.html
From Citizen Wells April 3, 2010.
“This issue may be sorted out soon enough because Fitzgerald’s charts matching up Obama’s contributions, visits and calls are bound to be every bit as thorough as the ones produced to prove Rezko is guilty as charged in the first trial. They simply were not produced because they were not needed to prove the defendant guilty in the first case.
As an example of what records might be squirreled away, consider that an FBI agent presented a chart to the jury on April 28, 2008, showing 257 calls from Rezko’s phones to Blagojevich’s chief of staff, Lon Monk, between March 2004 and May 2004 alone.”
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Fernley Girl // June 9, 2010 at 11:02 am
bob strauss // June 9, 2010 at 10:11 am
Got through and listened to Tim Adams, now who is going to do anything about it? Our courts seem to be worthless at protecting the people.
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bob strauss,
Our courts are worthless at protecting the people because they are part of the TPTB, and they aren’t here to protect us, just them. We all know about MObama’s involvement in the patient-dumping scheme. See any indictments coming her way? We all know about Zero and Rhambo’s involvement in more illegal activities than I can even list. No indictments. Blago is the sacrificial lamb. Soothe the people with a dog-and-pony-show stab at “justice”.
In medieval times the lords only took 25% of what the serfs raised. The government (at all levels) now takes almost half of what we make. Then only difference between then an now is we have a fake justice system instead of a king or lord who can just say, “Off with their head.”
Oh, sh*t, didn’t Zero recently issue a “shot to kill” order for an American citizen by the name of Anwar Awlaki? King Obama. Off with his head. So much for the justice system protecting its citizens.
Nothing is as it seems. Nothing is the way it was. We are all now in THEIR rabbit hole, and living by their rules, whether we want to, or not.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 11:05 am
Fernley Girl.
I have done some minimal research trying to vet Adams.
You get me the proof & I will do something!
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 11:48 am
Hi …Did anyone hear how Orly did in her run for Secratary of State in Cal.? I didn’t find anything at her site. Thanks for all info. God Bless !!
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 11:53 am
Hi CW
I found this on Tim Adams on the Western Kentucky University web site. It’s public info.
Timothy Adams
timothy.adams773@wku.edu
CH 20
745-5767
http://www.wku.edu/pcal/faculty
Philo-Publius // June 9, 2010 at 11:54 am
Taitz lost by 48 points to Damon Dunn.
Bill G // June 9, 2010 at 12:02 pm
WKU faculty/staff directory on-line provides no hits for Tim or Timothy Adams
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Bill G.
I just found Adams there.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 9, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Things are moving fast here. I try to post items at least near the correct part of the discussion. Hence, I suggest everybody keep tabs on at least the last 3 or 4 threads.
amy1 // June 9, 2010 at 12:43 pm
CW… The website featuring article about Tim Adams was removed due to reason stating stormfront not welcome there. Stormfront is a racist group.
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Hi amy
Which web site?
amy1 // June 9, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Lurker.. I searched Tim Adams Kentucky and clicked onto the site with what was suppose to be an article about what Tim stated on the radio. It had been removed
amy1 // June 9, 2010 at 12:51 pm
I search him thru Ky just to see what I would get
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 12:53 pm
I can empathize with Mr. Adams when you have info that boCohorts are trying to suppress you will go on any radio program or forum that allows Free Speech, but that does not mean that you agree with everything that is said or posted on the site.
amy1 // June 9, 2010 at 12:54 pm
If the Tim Turner thing is legit, it will surface again.
amy1 // June 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm
It would be easy to find out if the man who called into the radio is in fact the man listed on the roster of the English Dept at WKU. His contact info is right there with his name
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Perhaps many who have information such as Tim Adams realize how dangerous o is. Perhaps they need to go public for their safety.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Timothy Adams Facebook:
Education
.Employers english department Western Kentucky Universityenglish department Western Kentucky University
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High School Little Miami ’83
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Thanks amy
Okay, I performed the same search as you “Tim Adams Kentucky”and found the dead link. It was from freerepublic.com. I recognized the name “pissant”, a longtime FR commenter.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Timothy Adams Facebook:
Likes and Interests
.Other ‘Let’s eat Grandma!’ or, ‘Let’s eat, Grandma!’ Punctuation saves lives., Oregon, Kamehameha Schools, Barack Obama, National Marriage Boycott, Matthew Shepard Foundation, University of Hawaii Alumni Association, Mafia Wars, How likely are you to go to jail?, Comedy Central Insider, 1,000,000 Strong for Repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT)Show all (11)
‘Let’s eat Grandma!’
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm
If you have studied how the evidence against bo has been exposed. It has never been through the traditional msm outlets. It has been revealed on CW, the Steady Drip, Atlas Shrugs, Investigating Obama etc. I know if it had not been for websites like those, the truth about what happened to my Family would never have been revealed. CW has written extensively about the Orwellian aspects of the bo regime. bo’s aim is to channel all info through a media bottle neck that he can control. He can’t control internet media sources so that is where Patriots go to reveal the truth about bo.
Thus, it is not surprising to me that Mr. Adams revelations were first heard on James Edwards program, much to the surprise of Mr. Edwards and the rest of us.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:04 pm
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=62492433062#!/profile.php?id=1354180138
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Perhaps many who have information such as Tim Adams realize how dangerous o is. Perhaps they need to go public for their safety.
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That was certainly true in my case. Had I not gone public I would be dead.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
Fernley Girl // June 9, 2010 at 1:15 pm
One part of Adams story is true. At the link, HI does hire temps during election cycles.
http://www.honoluluelections.us/about_us
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 1:16 pm
CW @ 1:08 pm
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
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Hi CW
What did you find that makes you think Tim Adams is a fraud? I went to his FB page that you posted and noticed a link to BO’s FB. I haven’t found any TA comments (yet) on BO’s FB. Did you find something there?
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 9, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Hey all –
While ‘distracted’ by all these things, there is another “Rome Is Burning” thing going on. The GOM Oil Gusher could overwhelm everything else – Nationally, and perhaps worldwide.
Read my latest extensive report at
https://citizenwells.com/2010/06/08/citizen-news-reports-june-8-2010/
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:19 pm
I mistakenly posted this on another thread.
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jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:09 pm
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William // June 9, 2010 at 9:55 am
In other words, there was rock solid absolute proff that Dunn was registared as a democrat in florida and switched parties, however to run on his new party ticket, now the repubican ticket, he had to have been a repubican for a minimum of 12 months to be eligeble to run, which he was not. Also, proff that he contacted Florida and tried to get them to scrub the date he switched, which they refused to do.
Is it just me or does it appear the democrats are switching parties because they know itls over, infiltrated by the socialist party and now wish to infiltrate the republican party.
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The links were up last night for everyone to see. According to news reports (and not the narrative of Ms. Taitz), Mr. Dunn registered as a D in FL, when he played ball there; and then moved. Election law in FL says, when verifications of voter registration have been sent by the state and return as undeliverable; and the voter names on those notices fails to vote in 2 (two) state elections for federal officers; the registration is removed/voided/canceled. Mr. Dunn registered in CA as a R, more than a year after FL expunged his voter registration in that state. Thus, he did not hold the registration in the D party during the one-year period preceding his registration in CA as R. Orly argues, incorrectly, that since Mr. Dunn personally failed to withdraw his D registration in FL then, he was a D until he was a R, violating CA law regarding party affiliation eligibility to be placed on ballot.
Does this clarify the issues?
kittycat // June 9, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Well, over at the FB place, under things that he likes, it says Obama. Is this what you’re referring to?
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:20 pm
This was also on that other thread.
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jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 12:57 pm
See, people’s time and energies have been misdirected on another wild goose chase.
Yesterday, someone posted the link to the radio show. I saw that the show (and the video) were sponsored by the organization, Council of Conservative Citizens. Immediately, I was suspicious. (The logo looked much like a Klan logo to me, too.) Still, I listened to the first couple of minutes. I chuckled. Why would a state of HI elections official end up on this show? In other words, it did not pass the smell test. So, I looked up the CCC. And that’s how I found they are a white supremacy group. Then just to touch every base, I looked up Mr. Adams. Not surprisingly, I found nothing.
I reported back what I had found, with links.
The only reason I spent more than a few seconds on this endeavor was the fact, people are posting this drivel all over the internet. And well-intentioned people are following up.
Waste of time and energy. More importantly, the only reason to pursue even this bogus ‘lead’ would be to advance the argument that BO is not Constitutionally qualified for POTUS and, therefore, should be Impeached. But this will not accomplish that. To get BO out of office, first, people have to understand state election laws.
If people cannot spend at least as much time and energy learning how BO got into office, as involving themselves in wild goose chases at the drop of a hat; then perhaps having a Constitutionally unqualified man in the WH is not the biggest problem faced.
Even on a practical level, if people in each state have no idea that 1) Electors are not required by law to vote only for a Constitutionally qualified candidate; 2) they only elect Electors in November; or 3) Electors may elect a POTUS whose name didn’t appear on the general election ballot, for example then, they will not write the laws that can change this.
Of course, writing new laws will change nothing as long as citizens fail to insist the existing (ballot) laws of their state must be followed. Because if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writingnew laws change their minds?
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Hi kittycat @ 1:20 pm
I asked the same question. lol And, anxiously awaiting an answer.
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Thanks for the info. on Orly…..bummer…..keep on fighting fellow citizens….God Bless!!!
kittycat // June 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Maybe CW’s still trying to figure it out. Don’t know.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:23 pm
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Timothy Adams fraud.
Spread the word.
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Thanks CW!
Any ideas regarding the purpose of the fraud. Was it merely to try and discredit sites like The Steady Drip & CW?
Everything I have seen of bo’s regime leads Gme to believe that they are prepared for litigation in Federal Court on eligibility and prosecution in Federal Court in DC on bo’s fraud.
What the bo regime is not prepared for are multi-State Citizen Grand Jury Indictments of bo.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
Philo-Publius // June 9, 2010 at 1:25 pm
if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writing new laws change their minds?
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Exactly…they would just ignore them as well.
TRUTH NOW // June 9, 2010 at 1:32 pm
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
http://www.wnd.com
http://www.repubx.com articles FALSE FLAG OIL SPILL????? READ ARTICLES
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm
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Philo-Publius // June 9, 2010 at 1:25 pm
if public officials continue to ignore state laws with impunity, why would writing new laws change their minds?
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Exactly…they would just ignore them as well.
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And that’s why we need to make them enforce existing laws. How? By visiting their offices, and getting our fellow citizens to visit their offices, and bringing the press along when we and our fellow citizens visit their offices.
But first, we have to KNOW our existing laws; and which laws were broken; and then, petition (literally) our government to do its job.
Fortunately for the citizens of GA, HI, MD, SC, TX, and VA, I have already done this work for you. You passed election laws in your state requiring candidate eligibiltiy to get on the ballot; these laws were broken; you documented this violation in a citizen complaint, sent your complaint to the appropriate state official, and asked this official to investigate your complaint. Nothing happened. Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.
Helen // June 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm
my response to last night’s discussion has been posted on the original thread. i do not plan to bring it upstairs b/c this thread is dedicated to the Blago trial and wish to respect CWs new rules. Helen
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Isn’t it convenient how jbjd had all this info in advance on CCC & Adams? Makes it apparent that jbjd was part of the setup of Aristotle & CW.
jbjd is shameless. Now he/she comes back pointing fingers at the people who followed the bo SCAM and opining that We the People should not demand a reform of Election Laws because the boBot messiah will ignore them.
Give it a rest jbjd, you have no more credibility than bo.
TRUTH NOW // June 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm
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Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Helen @ 1:33 pm
Hi Helen
I must have missed CW’s new blog rules, as I’m sure others have as well, judging by all the O/T comments here. Would you please paste the link where CW posted these rules so everyone is aware? None of us here want to be disrespectful, Helen.
Jonah // June 9, 2010 at 1:50 pm
How about a little humor while we wait to hear from cw re: Tim Adams……..
newsbusted — June 08, 2010 — Topics in today’s show:
– Helen Thomas retires
– Gaza flotilla passengers attacked Israeli soldiers
– Ump costs Tigers picture perfect game
– Obama visits Gulf again
– Gov. Brewer talks immigration with POTUS
– Al and Tipper Gore separate
– Paul McCartney: Bush doesn’t know what a library is
– Women fired for being too hot
Fernley Girl // June 9, 2010 at 1:50 pm
CW,
Would it be worthwhile to contact the host of the radio show and ask him to confirm the FB photo of Adams is the same person that told the story about the long form bc on the show?
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Helen,
It is easy for boBots to distract from sound legal arguments since they are lawless and not bound by any law in the UTTER NONSENSE that they post. When the boBots post NONSENSE that they can not back up they try to deceive by saying only they have some “truth” that only they & the “elders” know & can not reveal.
They can’t reveal it because it is all BS and they know the intelligent posters here will see that it is NONSENSE.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Carly Fiorina won the R primary in CA for US Senate. She will be going up against Senator Barbara Boxer. Want to see a GREAT victory speech?
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/barbara-boxer-doesnt-scare-me-a-bit/
“We march with our vote.” “We all belong to one party this year, the “Had Enough Party.”
!?!! // June 9, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I ran across some great Chinese proverbs.
“Do not use a hatchet to remove a fly from your friend’s forehead.”
“Mankind fears an evil man but heaven does not.”
“One generation plants the trees; another gets the shade.” (Or the cesspool, as the case may be)
“Even a hare will bite when it is cornered.”
http://www.famous-proverbs.com/chinese.htm
Helen // June 9, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Lurker, my understanding of CWs new rules is he will post “open thread” for those who wish to share and comment on other topics while other threads are dedicated to the topic he’s posted.
At least this is my understanding. Happy to be wrong.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 2:01 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Fortunately for the citizens of GA, HI, MD, SC, TX, and VA, I have already done this work for you. You passed election laws in your state requiring candidate eligibiltiy to get on the ballot; these laws were broken; you documented this violation in a citizen complaint, sent your complaint to the appropriate state official, and asked this official to investigate your complaint. Nothing happened. Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.
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LOL!
DO YOU REALLY EXPECT ANY SANE, REASONABLY INTELLIGENT PERSON TO BUY UR BS?
“Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.” LOL!
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Leo
What is your beef with jdjb? Everyone is entitled to FREE SPEECH. Lay off please.
!?!! // June 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Larry Sinclair –
Just want you to know I pray for your protection and deliverance from the evil and injustice perpetrated against you.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm
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TRUTH NOW // June 9, 2010 at 1:44 pm
RETIRED GENERAL WANTS BHO to RESIGN NOW !!!!!!!!!! STARTING PETITION
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PELOSI,BOYD RICHIE,ALLICE GERMOND AND OTHERS PERPETRATED NATIONWIDE ELECTION FRAUD BY LYING TO STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS TO GET BHO ON THE 2008 BALLOT
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TRUTH NOW, as you and everyone else on this blog knows or should know by now, this ‘lying to election officials to get BO’s name on the state ballot’ is my work on election fraud. (The heading you posted leaves out this qualifier: lying about BO’s eligibility only constitutes fraud in applicable states.) Fortunately, I began posting my work on election fraud over a year-and-a-half ago now; I posted the first election fraud complaints last August. But when I went to the link you provided, I could not find the article.
Can you provide a more direct link?
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Helen.
That is the basic idea.
Thanks.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Fernley Girl.
Yes.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm
jbjd says, “Now, you need to schedule a follow-up meeting with these same state officials to learn why they ignored you and the laws you wrote.”
NONSENSE! Now you need to INDICT the bo co-conspirators in your State who violated the Election Laws.
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 2:13 pm
citizenwells @ 2:08 pm
Is this where you want us to post unrelated comments?
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/blagojevich-trial-witnesses-alonzo-monk-blagojevich-chief-of-staff-ghost-of-christmas-past-open-thread/
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Free Speech.
D I V E R S I O N S
One of the oldest battle tactics.
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:26 pm
kittycat.
Until I am proven wrong, Adams is a fraud.
Philo-Publius // June 9, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Here’s one I missed because the local news didn’t bother to report it.
Bust of communist dictator Stalin placed at the National D-Day Memorial
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/7/stalin-bust-has-virginia-town-red-faced/
!?!! // June 9, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Thanks for heads-up about posting expectations. I missed that bit, too.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 2:34 pm
citizenwells // June 9, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Free Speech.
D I V E R S I O N S
One of the oldest battle tactics.”
Yes, Wells. It is a testimony to our fortitude that we are able to defeat the forces of bo’s regime with such quick dispatch. Thanks again for exposing the boAdams Scam.
bob strauss // June 9, 2010 at 2:36 pm
jbjd, Dunn would have voted for Obama, is this not in the window of eligibility to be a democrat?
!?!! // June 9, 2010 at 2:52 pm
“Monk said that Blagojevich and Monk agreed to use “their power and authority in state government” to help Rezko and Kelly make money.”
And here we have the crux of the matter. Our erstwhile officials have banded together to use “their power and authority in state government” to keep themselves in power and to keep the true statespeople, you know, the ones into reasoned governance that builds up a nation and benefits the citizens, OUT of government.
New laws, old laws, Constitution — nothing diverts these intractable crooks from their self-appointed mission of self-aggrandizement (the act of making oneself more wealthy, powerful, etc, especially in a ruthless way; the act or practice of enhancing or exaggerating one’s own importance, power, or reputation.)
Right now, the Blago trial, Dr. Orly, jbjd, Cmdr Kerchner, Mario Apuzzo, LTC Lakin, the eligibility plaintiffs, we-the-people are in dire need of people who are solidly invested in enacting the laws according to foundational precepts of the Constitution.
marmar // June 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Birther Army Doc Waives Hearing, Court Martial Likely To Move Ahead
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2531108/posts
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 1:53 pm
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That speech by Carly was a great Stem-winder.
She just has to keep playing this over and over in her ads –
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Why would lt.Col.Lakin’s waive the hearing?
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It is unusual that a Defendant would waive a preliminary hearing? Even when I didn’t want to present any evidence at a preliminary hearing, I always made the prosecutor present evidence to support the charge. A lawyer can learn a great deal from a preliminary hearing.
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
“A court martial will give him more standing in appeal.”
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm
A Defendant waives a hearing when the facts and evidence are not in dispute and when only the law will be litigated. Lt. Col. Lakin’s conduct is not in dispute here, but only whether that conduct rises to the level of the crime charged under the UCMJ.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm
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ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm
“A court martial will give him more standing in appeal.”
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It was a preliminary hearing in his Court Martial was’nt it?
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm
A Defendant waives a hearing when the facts and evidence are not in dispute and when only the law will be litigated.
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NONSENSE.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm
The facts & evidence are DEFINITELY in dispute in Lakin’s case, i.e., bo is NOT a legitimate POTUS, thus Lakin did NOT disobey a legitimate order, among other facts and evidence in dispute.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Moreover, there is no downside to forcing the prosecutor to present evidence to support his charge at a preliminary hearing.
Margie // June 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm
ok thanks alot for the input. I guess I won’t be going there on friday then.
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Am I wrong – I thought all cases brought before the Supreme Ct so far were thrown out because The Average Citizen has been determined to have no standing according to them? LTC Lakin is saying he won’t take orders from an ineligible CIC because he would have something, along with all other service people, to lose by taking orders from a fraud -HIS LIFE. ALL HE WANTS TO SEE ARE THE USURPERS LEGITIMATE COLB.
What happens now?
observer // June 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Unless the accused waives this right, no charge may be referred to a general court-martial until a thorough and impartial investigation into the basis for the charge has been made. This pretrial proceeding is known as an “Article 32″ investigation or preliminary hearing and essentially serves the equivalent function of a grand jury hearing in civilian jurisdictions
The only reason I can find that he waived his right is to move the trial out of this judge’s jurisdiction as soon as possible and on to appeal on up – based on the refusal of his rights for an “impartial” investigation. Did he take the advice of his attorney in this??
observer // June 9, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Also, this avenue may later give the Supreme Court a chance to refer the case back to correct the procedure rather than having to rule on the case itself … and remember, Thomas mentioned the fact that the Court was “dodging” this type of decision themselves but he seemed to want a situation where the question could be addressed finally.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Press Release: Lakin Waives Preliminary Hearing
American Patriot Foundation, Inc.
1101 Thirtieth Street, N.W., Suite 500
Washington, D.C. 20007
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com
PRESS RELEASE
DECORATED ARMY DOCTOR LTC TERRY LAKIN WAIVES PRELIMINARY HEARING AND ANNOUNCES NEW YOUTUBE VIDEO
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CASE TO NOW PROCEED DIRECTLY TO GENERAL COURT MARTIAL
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HEARING WILL NOT PROCEED ON JUNE 11, 2010
Washington, D.C., June 9, 2010. Saying that the Army has made it “impossible for me to present a defense”
at the Article 32 “preliminary hearing” previously scheduled for June 11, 2010, Lt. Colonel Terrence Lakin has officially waived –cancelled—that proceeding. Therefore, the case will move inexorably on to a General Court Martial. The punishment for the charges filed against LTC Lakin carry a maximum term of four years in the penitentiary. Lakin expects the trial to be held in the early fall, but this has yet to be determined. The next step will be the formal referral of the charges by Lakin’s Commanding General, Major General Carla Hawley-Bowland, followed by his arraignment before a Military Judge, both of which are expected before the end of June.
Lakin, through his legal defense team, requested the testimony of Dr. Chiyome Fukino of the Hawaii Dept. of Health, and all of that agency’s records that exist concerning the president’s birth. Lakin had also requested the testimony of the custodians of records of, and the records relating to Obama’s admission and financial aid that exist, of the Punahou School, Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School. All these requests were also summarily denied, leaving Lakin without any ability to mount a defense at the hearing. However, in that this hearing was preliminary in nature in the first place, Lakin will renew his requests to the Military Judge at the appropriate time.
Lakin also released a new 5-minute video on Youtube explaining why he believes there are reasonable arguments that President Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief. The video can be viewed at http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/video2.html.
The video is being released under the auspices of the American Patriot Foundation, a non-profit group incorporated in 2003 to foster appreciation and respect for the U.S. Constitution, in the one month since establishing a fund to provide a legal defense to LTC Lakin, has received generous donations from more than 1,200 separate individuals. Further details are available on the Foundation’s website, http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Lt. Col. Lakin admits he is disobeying a direct order. Assuming according to the rules of procedure in this case, if he can offer an affirmative defense – that is, a ‘yes I did it but I should not be punished because…’ – that affirmative defense will be either 1) the order was illegal and, therefore, under the UCMJ, he was obligated to disobey; or 2) the order was legal but in conflict with another mandatory provision of the UCMJ.
If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.
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jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Washington, D.C., June 9, 2010. Saying that the Army has made it “impossible for me to present a defense”
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There you go. See, he is not denying, he broke a rule. Seems he wanted to argue an affirmative defense that, he broke it but… And the court has ruled, he will not be allowed to claim this affirmative defense.
This case will never reach the issue of Presidential eligibility.
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Thanx FS for that last post. I will be sending in a donation to the defense fund for LTC Lakin.
RMinNC // June 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Well there sure are grounds for someone to demand that Obama present a VALID birth certificate. We now have a retired Major General (MG Valley) calling for O’s ouster!
Since Obama is entrusted with the highest state secrets of our country, Obama must also have a VALID security clearance.
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
Something stinks in Washington and it isn’t the fish!
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm
SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM ALERT SCAM
Why on earth are you contributing to a Foundation set up in 2003, and which no where even ‘promises’ to divert Foundation funds to Lt. Col. Lakin’s defense, let alone cite any evidence whatsoever that the man authorized them to collect such funds, on his behalf?
About the American Patriot Foundation
The American Patriot Foundation was formed as a non-partisan, non-profit national foundation with the primary function of educating the American public as to the importance and relevance in today’s society of the United States Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist Papers and other founding documents.
To achieve this goal, the corporation will educate and advocate (through a broad diversity of educational programs) to the American public the importance in today’s society of patriotism itself, and of the patriotism of the founding fathers and other patriots throughout our nation’s history, and how their philosophies shape our destiny, and thereby to rediscover our heritage of freedom.
The American Patriot Foundation was granted non-profit 501(c)(3) status by the Internal Revenue Service in 2003. You can see our full information at GuideStar (free registration required).
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/about.html
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 4:57 pm
ms. helga // June 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Thanx FS for that last post. I will be sending in a donation to the defense fund for LTC Lakin.
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U R welcome Helga.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:03 pm
jbjd,
UR ATTACKS on the Honorable Lt. Col. Lakin, a man who has distinguished himself in Service to our Nation, in defense of bo is DESPICABLE!
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm
I suspect that in waiving the prelim, Lakin’s attorneys have another strategy up their sleeve, a strategy that obviously FRIGHTENS jbjd & boBots.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:12 pm
RMinNC // June 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Well there sure are grounds for someone to demand that Obama present a VALID birth certificate. We now have a retired Major General (MG Valley) calling for O’s ouster!
Since Obama is entrusted with the highest state secrets of our country, Obama must also have a VALID security clearance.
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
Something stinks in Washington and it isn’t the fish!
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Good Question!
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Bill G // June 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm
It seems to me that jbjd’s own posts evidence a strategy more supportive of BHO than not. A regular reader at CW, I discount and scan over every jbjd entry as not informative or constructive.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Aristotle the Hun // June 9, 2010 at 5:21 pm
He is who he says he is as far as being from Hawaii and Kentucky.
CW Why so quick to call him a fraud. I’ve been looking around and can’t confirm or deny the validity of his comments’
Lurker // June 9, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Article & Fox news video
Blago Stares Down Old Friend as Lon Monk Takes Stand
Excerpt-Monk testimony
UPDATE: 4:03 p.m.
Monk remains on the stand, now describing $10 billion pension obligation deal, which Blagojevich cronies allegedly steered to connected firms.
UPDATE: 3:12 p.m. by Larry Yellen
Lon Monk remains on the witness stand this afternoon, laying the foundation for a variety of alleged schemes supposedly participated in by former Gov. Blagojevich.
He described how then-Congressman Rahm Emanuel said he wanted a state grant for the Chicago Academy, a school in the congressman’s district, but that then-Gov. Blagojevich said the grant should be held up until more was learned about a possible fundraiser to be held for Blagojevich by the congressman’s brother, a California talent agent.
During this testimony, President Barack Obama’s name surfaced for the first time, as Monk indicated that Emanuel is now the White House chief of staff.
Later, Monk testified how Monk, Tony Rezko, Chris Kelly and Blagojevich gathered in late summer or early fall, 2003, when Rezko laid out eight or nine ways that they could make money from Blagojevich’s position.
“It was in all likelihood wrong and breaking the law,” Monk testified, and said the plan was for the four of them to divide the money equally after Blagojevich was out of office.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/rod-blagojevich-trial-lon-monk-day-five-20100609
ARMY D.A.V. // June 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RMinNC
The 64 million dollar question is: How did he get that top secret clearance WITHOUT a full BACKGROUND investigation of his past to include all supporting documents. This requirement for a TOP SECRET CLEARANCE cannot be waivered.
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Soetoro can’t get a security clearance . He belonged to organizations that promoted the overthrow of the government. He also had many terrorist friends and acquaintances.
This also makes his oath of office completely bogus , a usurper in many different ways.
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U R absolutely correct!
Soetoro can’t get a security clearance . He belonged to organizations that promoted the overthrow of the government. He also had many terrorist friends and acquaintances.
This also makes his oath of office completely bogus , a usurper in many different ways.
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U R absolutely correct! Army
Bill G // June 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm
It seems to me that jbjd’s own posts evidence a strategy more supportive of BHO than not.
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I found her post to be objective, and furthermore, not supportive of BO as you implied.
Leo Donofrio has the same position regarding Col. Lakin’s case as well as several other attorney’s.
What’s wrong with being objective ?
Richard // June 9, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Bill G // June 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm
It seems to me that jbjd’s own posts evidence a strategy more supportive of BHO than not.
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I found her post to be objective, and furthermore, not supportive of BO as you implied.
Leo Donofrio has the same position regarding Col. Lakin’s case as well as several other attorney’s.
What’s wrong with being objective ?
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Richard
My sentiments exactly.
FS,
How often have you studied jbjd’s work? She has her own opinions, and she has the right to them just like you do, just like I do.
kittycat // June 9, 2010 at 5:52 pm
FS,
How often have you studied jbjd’s work? She has her own opinions, and she has the right to them just like you do, just like I do.
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jbjd does have the right to advocate for bo and against Honorable Patriots like Lt. Col. Lakin and I have a right to expose jbjd’s FALSEHOODS.
jbjd stated that Lt. Col. Lakin’s refusal to obey bo’s unlawful orders was indefensible & that his defense fund was a fraud.
How many of you agree with jbjd in those FALSE STATEMENTS?
FS,
Then give her a chance to speak for herself. That’s only fair, isn’t it? And you could be jumping to conclusions, she may have made a mistake.
If in fact Tim Adams is a fraud, it is for this very reason I mentioned getting a leagle deposition/affidavite from him to attest to his claims least face purgery. Or in the case he refuses, then you know a fraud and scam. One way or the other, place these peoplels claims under oath and on paper, otherwise forget them.
However, I still believe in researching the verosity of his claims and checking his timeline, rather than writing him off as os yet… no one that I am aware of, except maybe CW, has done a complete background investigation on this Tim Adams. If you have, please post you facts…. Hoax? I don’t know, but worth investigating….
Here is an excerpt from an article I wrote about Lt. Col. Lakin and posted on my blog one month ago.
correction: I authored and posted that article about Lt. Col. Lakin 2 on my blog (two) months ago.
(geesh, all thumbs)
I authored and posted that article about Lt. Col. Lakin on my blog 2 (two) months ago.
By the way, fox news has well over a million hits for being racists……
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm
… potential catastrophic harm to the country if individual soldiers determined for themselves when to serve …
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That is precisely what Nuremberg was about. Are you going to disavow that? And disavow Geneva Conventions also?
An illegal/fraudulent CIC commits a war crime everytime they deploy forces. Any officer following those orders also commits a war crime. This is serious business. Not just some fluffy ‘game’.
PS – it is also precisely the reason offices swear an oath to the constitution, not to the CIC.
William // June 9, 2010 at 6:17 pm
If in fact Tim Adams is a fraud, it is for this very reason I mentioned getting a leagle deposition/affidavite from him to attest to his claims least face purgery. Or in the case he refuses, then you know a fraud and scam. One way or the other, place these peoplels claims under oath and on paper, otherwise forget them.
However, I still believe in researching the verosity of his claims and checking his timeline, rather than writing him off as os yet… no one that I am aware of, except maybe CW, has done a complete background investigation on this Tim Adams. If you have, please post you facts…. Hoax? I don’t know, but worth investigating….
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I emailed Mr. Adams & offered to take his affidavit & deposition and make it available to all attorneys prosecuting cases against bo.
CC, your response to the excerpts I posted, introduces straw dogs into the argument. That is, I explicitly included in that abbreviated text, I was not proposing Lt. Col. Lakin should in any way alter his conduct. I only pointed out, in my opinion, failing to acknowledge the dangers to a ready armed force, of having individuals determine which orders to follow and which to ignore; does him a disservice. (Perhaps you would be less confused if you read the complete article I wrote. I left out the part in the article wherein I quote Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who says, ‘roughly,’ ‘fight an unjust law but don’t expect not to be put in jail.’)
Crystal // June 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
All elected officials get a “security clearance” by virtue of the people electing them to the office they won.
This is exactly and completely correct.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Soetoro can’t get a security clearance .
This is also correct. Zero has never gone through the security clearance process, and would EPIC FAIL if he tried. He is not even in the ballpark of being able to get one. This is a major flaw with our current election system.
Under normal circumstances this would never happen. The media would be forthcoming with questioning and complaining and interviewing various CIA and FBI authorities, and the court of Public Opinion would kick in.
Our national system of government (either the original constitution or what it has evolved to) is absolutely dependent on an unbiased and uncorrupt media. Without that, We The People do not have the information needed to make wise choices.
A certain number of ‘reverse racists’ and Obamessiah disciples would have voted for him anyway – but not anywhere near enough to make him a serious candidate, let alone get elected. We have to find a way to lay blame for all this right at the feet of the MSM and fix it for the future.
CC,
That is exactly my point as well. In fact the internation tribune of war crimes held during the Nuremburg trials, whereby senior officers as well as junior officers claimed they were obligated to follow orders by the high command, least they face death or have their careers replaced, was found to be of no excuse, thus hung to death. The ultimate reasoning coming from the Nuremburg trial that spoke to the entire world, the Geneva convention per se, is that you do not blindly follow orders, least you face the same penelty. It also told the world military leaders you have every right to question an unethical order, by any means. LTC lankin did just that, he desivers to be praised. He knowas his history obviosly
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 9, 2010 at 6:26 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm
… potential catastrophic harm to the country if individual soldiers determined for themselves when to serve …
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That is precisely what Nuremberg was about. Are you going to disavow that? And disavow Geneva Conventions also?
An illegal/fraudulent CIC commits a war crime everytime they deploy forces. Any officer following those orders also commits a war crime. This is serious business. Not just some fluffy ‘game’.
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Well Stated!
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm
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Thank you for the attempted clarification. But I was really just addressing your one sentence where you said that every soldier deciding for themselves is a philosophy that “cannot serve him well”.
My point is that this philosophy is exactly what soldiers are required to do and taught to do – there are specific rules of ethics and appropriate chain of command conduct.
Blindly following orders, without question or delay, is one such philosophy they are taught. But it applies much more to the front-line grunts. It does NOT apply to the officers.
Officers are REQUIRED to contemplate ALL orders and DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES if they are legal and moral.
This ought to be an open and shut case. LtC Lakin was doing what he was taught and what modern international rules of war require.
William // June 9, 2010 at 6:43 pm
CC,
That is exactly my point as well. In fact the internation tribune of war crimes held during the Nuremburg trials, whereby senior officers as well as junior officers claimed they were obligated to follow orders by the high command, least they face death or have their careers replaced, was found to be of no excuse, thus hung to death. The ultimate reasoning coming from the Nuremburg trial that spoke to the entire world, the Geneva convention per se, is that you do not blindly follow orders, least you face the same penelty. It also told the world military leaders you have every right to question an unethical order, by any means. LTC lankin did just that, he desivers to be praised. He knowas his history obviosly
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Agree. Lt. Col. Lakin deserves to be praised not discredited.
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Crystal // June 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
All elected officials get a “security clearance” by virtue of the people electing them to the office they won. BHO/BS was tacitly given a security clearance because he was allegedly elected to the office of POTUS.
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You are absolutely correct. Several posters continue to get this wrong, notwithstanding (I thought) we thoroughly de-bunked this issue several months ago, on this post. (Leo D. had written a post on his blog in which he proposed an interpretation of both the U.S. Code in conjunction with an accompanying Executive Order, that could result in the following scenario. The head of the intelligence agency (appointed by the POTUS) could refuse to release classified documents/information to the POTUS, his boss. As I pointed out at that time, on its face, this made no sense. But the limitations of the scope of application of this law were clearly spelled out in the law itself: this applied only to the discretion held by the agency head, in issuing security clearances for contract employees.
By law, including the U.S. Constitution, the POTUS is the CiC, and is therefore entitled to all of the secrets of the realm related to national security.)
” catastrophic harm to the country if individual soldiers determined for themselves when to serve; cannot serve him well” .
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Doesn’t apply to Lakin , not just an individual soldier.
He’s an officer ,big difference , they take a different oath .
Military is under civilian leadership , CIC , all commands come from the top.
With a Indonesian immigrate usurping as CIC , there is no legitimate chain of command .
The problem with jbjd DESPICABLE statements regarding Lt. Col. Lakin are not merely philosophical.
jbjd DEFAMED Lt. Col. Lakin stating that his honorable actions were “illegal” and “indefensible” and that his defense fund was a “fraud.”
Her statements regarding the Honorable Lt. Col. Lakin are some of the most DESPICABLE that I have read.
Free Speech,
Way to step up to the plate big guy……. If he is willing to stand uner oath, then there may be something to follow up on. Nevertheless, you put the ball in his court, good job….
ARMY D.A.V. // June 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm
” catastrophic harm to the country if individual soldiers determined for themselves when to serve; cannot serve him well” .
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Doesn’t apply to Lakin , not just an individual soldier.
He’s an officer ,big difference , they take a different oath .
Military is under civilian leadership , CIC , all commands come from the top.
With a Indonesian immigrate usurping as CIC , there is no legitimate chain of command .
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Well Stated!
BO was lawfully elected POTUS. That is, in each state, we elected Electors, according to the procedure spelled out in law. The Electors elected BO, according to the procedure spelled out in law. The Congress upheld the process employed by the Electors to reach their selection, as spelled out in law. And the CJ of the SCOTUS swore him in to office, as prescribed by law.
All of the tantrums in the world will not make BO’s election unlawful, notwithstanding he is not a NBC. And the UCMJ, according to the (former) judge advocate general cited in my article, will never reach that issue, anyway, as Lt. Col. Lakin is not refusing to obey the order of the CiC but rather, the order of his immediate superior.
In the past 2 (two) years since the 2008 election, I wonder how many citizens ostensibly ‘aggrieved’ by the ‘usurper’ in the WH; have amended their state saws so as to require the Presidential Electors to elect only a person Constitutionally qualified for the job?
It would be in the best interests of this country if all those running for elected office as well as federal appointees had to be formally vetted for the security level they seek to operate within. If they are not vettable, they should not be allowed to run.
I bet this would effectively eliminate half of congress, and most certainly, it would have eliminated BHO/BS from running.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 6:53 pm
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Crystal // June 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm
All elected officials get a “security clearance” by virtue of the people electing them to the office they won. BHO/BS was tacitly given a security clearance because he was allegedly elected to the office of POTUS.
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‘You are absolutely correct, says jbjd.
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More ABSOLUTE NONSENSE from jbjd.
William // June 9, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Free Speech,
Way to step up to the plate big guy……. If he is willing to stand uner oath, then there may be something to follow up on. Nevertheless, you put the ball in his court, good job….
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Thank you. I will do whatever I can to regain the Rule of Law in our Country.
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Crystal // June 9, 2010 at 7:11 pm
It would be in the best interests of this country if all those running for elected office as well as federal appointees had to be formally vetted for the security level they seek to operate within. If they are not vettable, they should not be allowed to run.
I bet this would effectively eliminate half of congress, and most certainly, it would have eliminated BHO/BS from running.
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In the case out of Texas, TDP v. RPT, which I first wrote about in March; the federal court ruled, states (and political parties) cannot expand upon the Constitutional qualifications for Congress. These requirements can only be changed by amending the Constitution.
Speaking about Tim Allen Free Speech….way to step up… thanks
If anyone finds out anything else of substance about Timothy Adams,
please let me know. Not everyone agrees with my assessment.
I hope that I am wrong.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm
“BO was lawfully elected POTUS.”
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NONSENSE.
His candidacy was unlawful at its inception, i.e., he knowingly campaigned for an office for which he is constitutionally unqualified. Furthermore, his campaign engaged in wholesale VOTER FRAUD & IDENTITY THEFT.
Wow, Yahoo is really going overboard shilling for Obama. Now they have a story up about buying or renting the alleged apartment in NYC that Obama stayed in while a student at Columbia. So how have they verified this? I think it is listed on Craigslist, a notoriously left-wing organization.
Someone check this out and see what this is all about.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2503
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 9, 2010 at 6:51 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm
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Thank you for the attempted clarification. But I was really just addressing your one sentence where you said that every soldier deciding for themselves is a philosophy that “cannot serve him well”.
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Silly goose, I wrote nothing of the sort! On the contrary, I said, the fact the people around him have failed to raise this issue does not serve him well. That is, they appear to be in denial as to the grave implications of his conduct, notwithstanding they would have us accept they sincerely believe he was justified in what he did.
CW,
I beleive it is worth investigating to match the claims with the facts. Either we will discredit this guy or finf something of interest. One way or another we will know soon. Yes, I am scepticle, too many hoax for disinformation in the past , reason to fully investigate,inmy opinion….
From: Stand Up America US
http://standupamericaus.com/
“Lincoln Reagan Dinner
Published on 06/08/10
Virginia City, Montana, June 5th, 2010
By Paul E. Vallely
“The Declaration of Independence states: “To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
We cannot permit the current leaders in the White House and Halls of Congress to continue in their efforts to lead us down the road of Progressive Socialism and destruction of America. This is the current battle that we Constitutionalists face and we must be aggressive in our efforts. Incompetence, Deceit, Fraud, Corruption,
Dishonesty and Violation of the US Constitution and oaths of office of officials now come into play as relates to our National Character, National Security, Economy and the Nation’s well-being and is the rationale for resignations. Demand Resignation of derelict officials by the people of this country in now required.
Where is our Moral Compass?
The oath of office is simple and reads:
“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”
Sadly, we have seen them violate their oath. Fraud, lying, and corruption are rampant and some have engaged in treasonous activities, and they effectively thumb their noses at us and have sold you to the highest bidder.
The Articles of Confederation were replaced with the Constitution, which granted the federal government enough authority to cultivate, promote and secure the Blessings of Liberty. The balance of authority and individual liberty was understood. Power was confined to that which was enumerated in the Constitution with a certain and meaningful intent for check and balances.
Lincoln issued this warning in his inaugural address, “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one. This is a most valuable and sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.” Being a representative republic, not a democracy, “rising up” means other than revolution by means of arms. The people must “rise up” from the grass roots across this great country as we think of the greater good of this and future generations. We are limited in the peaceful transfer of power…resignation, death, elections, and impeachment.
“We the People” have had enough. Enough is Enough. The Obama White House and identifiable Members of Congress are now on a progressive socialist, treasonous death march and are bankrupting and weakening the country. We have watched them violate their sacred oath of office. “We, the People” cannot wait for and solely rely on the next round of elections in November of this year. It is now and each day that these public servants must put the citizen’s interests above self-interest by resigning immediately.
Our so-called Representatives and Senators are more interested in party loyalty than performing their duties. So, do not expect them to resign en masse or be impeached. Therefore the “people” must decide. A civil uprising is brewing. We now must call for the immediate resignation of Barry Soetero (AKA President Barack Hussein Obama) …..based on Incompetence, Deceit, Fraud, Corruption, Dishonesty and Violation of the US Oath of Office and the Constitution.
And a call for a National Petition for new elections to select the next President of the United States of America must be initiated. We can wait no longer for a traditional change of Power and New Government.”
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“CALL FOR OBAMA’S RESIGNATION CITES “DECEIT, FRAUD, DISHONESTY”
Posted on June 9th, 2010 by David-Crockett
Excerpt:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=164409
“We can wait no longer for a traditional change of power and new government”
By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily
A retired U.S. military leader who now is a presence on the Internet with his Stand Up For America and Veterans Defenders websites has issued a call for President Obama’s resignation and a new election to replace him.
The call comes from Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely, who served in Vietnam and retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as deputy commanding general for the Pacific.
We now must call for the immediate resignation of Barry Soetero (AKA President Barack Hussein Obama) … based on incompetence, deceit, fraud, corruption, dishonesty and violation of the U.S. oath of office and the Constitution,” he said in remarks delivered to a Lincoln Reagan dinner in Virginia City, Mont., last week and published today on the Stand Up America website.
“And a call for a national petition for new elections to select the next president of the United States of America must be initiated,” he continued. “We can wait no longer for a traditional change of power and new government.”
A number of retired military members have sought the removal of Obama from office. They mostly have tried to utilize the courts to challenge his eligibility based on claims he fails to meet the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.” Few have asserted Obama needs to walk away from the Oval Office for the best of the nation.
“The Declaration of Independence states: ‘To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness,’” Vallely said in his remarks.
“We cannot permit the current leaders in the White House and halls of Congress to continue in their efforts to lead us down the road of progressive socialism and destruction of America. This is the current battle that we constitutionalists face, and we must be aggressive in our efforts,” he said.
He pointed out that the oath of office for the president is basic, stating, “I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”
“Sadly, we have seen them violate their oath. Fraud, lying, and corruption are rampant and some have engaged in treasonous activities, and they effectively thumb their noses at us and have sold you to the highest bidder,” he said.
“Lincoln issued this warning in his inaugural address, ‘Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one. This is a most valuable and sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world,’” Vallely said.
“Being a representative republic, not a democracy, ‘rising up’ means other than revolution by means of arms. The people must ‘rise up’ from the grass roots across this great country as we think of the greater good of this and future generations. We are limited in the peaceful transfer of power…resignation, death, elections, and impeachment,” he said.
“‘We the People’ have had enough. Enough is enough. The Obama White House and identifiable members of Congress are now on a progressive socialist, treasonous death march and are bankrupting and weakening the country. We have watched them violate their sacred oath of office. ‘We, the People’ cannot wait for and solely rely on the next round of elections in November of this year. It is now and each day that these public servants must put the citizen’s interests above self-interest by resigning immediately,” he said.
Vallely graduated from West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961. He served 32 years before retiring, including in theaters in Europe and the Pacific Rim.
He saw two tours of combat duty in Vietnam.
He’s of late been a military analyst for the Fox News Channel and a lecturer on counter-terrorism. From 1982 to 1986 he commanded the 351st Civil Affairs Command that included all special forces, psychological warfare and civil military units in the Western United States and Hawaii.
He told WND he is speaking as an American citizen who wants to see the nation restored to a role of world leadership peacefully.
Vallely said Obama’s record is of failure at just about everything, from the massive buckets of cash handed out in his bailout programs to his instability on foreign policy and his “lack of resolve” on military issues.
He said while he doesn’t call himself a “birther,” even the issue of Obama’s eligibility remains unresolved.
“Certainly as a citizen I don’t buy off on his eligibility,” he said.
But more significant than Obama’s record, history, qualifications or even presidency is the nation’s future, he said.
“We cannot continue to self-destruct here.”
He said he’s calling for the resignation of the president because that’s what responsible citizens should be doing. Congress, certainly, is not going to take responsibility and get the job done, he said.
“I want the people to stand up and take government back, peacefully,” he told WND.
On Vallely’s website, forum participants were in lock-step:
“As a Vietnam veteran and believer in the Constitution I am in full support of these observations and comments,” said Ralph Kennedy. “It seems that even the military forces have been in decline along with the political culture in our country since Mr. Obama has been in place. … I applaud the courage and the common sense exhibited by Mr. Vallely in his statement.”
Added Ronald Hei, “As a Vietnam veteran and retired military officer, I fully support Gen. Vallely’s call for the resignation of Obama. Failing resignation, I call for the petition of the U.S. Congress (existing) for his impeachment for ALL of the transgressions listed above and some not listed.”
David J. Austin said, “Our government under the current president has demonstrated moral corruptness in nearly all aspects of its performance. Our country and flag have been disgraced by the actions of Obama. … I would like to see the new Congress, after the 2010 elections, demand his immediate resignation or begin impeachment proceedings.”
The topic of Vallely’s work also was scheduled to be on the Patriots Heart Network online report tonight.
Peter Ferrara, on the American Spectator website, also has predicted Obama’s resignation.
“I am now ready to predict that President Obama will not even make it [to 2012],” he wrote. “I predict that he will resign in discredited disgrace before the fall of 2012,” Ferrera said.
There’s a new strategy to get answers to Obama’s eligibility questions. See how you can help.
In his Spectator piece, which came only days before Vallely’s remarks, Ferrera said, “What leads me to predict President Obama’s early political demise are his numerous, enormous vulnerabilities to further adverse developments, threatening a geometrically accelerating downward spiral, for him politically, and for America substantively.”
Ferrara cited Obama’s controversies over the Rep. Joe Sestak scandal, his lack of management of the Gulf oil spill, more and more taxes for Americans, a “blind” energy policy and others.
“The president himself has laid the foundation for his biggest political vulnerability of all,” he said. “He won our votes and the election in 2008 with ‘the firm pledge’ not to raise taxes ‘in any form’ on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. Now he has already backed away from that pledge,” he said.
A voter backlash against Democrats expected in November will result in Democrats themselves having “limited tolerance for the above described political pressures and chaos,” he said.
“With the very survival of their party at stake, the Democrats will buckle and desert President Obama, joining the calls for his resignation.
“At that point, with zero prospects for re-election, and unable to govern effectively, he will resign,” Ferrara said.
Other military officers have taken a more direct approach to challenging Obama’s presidency.
WND has reported the case of Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, a career physician who has refused Army orders because of the lack of documentation for Obama’s eligibility.
Lakin was not the first officer to raise questions. Others have included Army doctor Capt. Connie Rhodes and Army reservist Maj. Stefan Cook.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
WND has covered a multitude of challenges and lawsuits over the issue. Some have alleged that he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he has written, or that the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens – Obama’s father was a subject of the British crown at Obama’s birth – from being eligible for the office.
Besides Obama’s actual birth documentation, the still-concealed documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.”
The Full Article Continued here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=164409
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From: American Spectator
“The Coming Resignation of Barack Obama”
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/the-coming-resignation-of-barack-obama/
Posted by admin on June 3, 2010 ·
By Peter Ferrara, American Spectator
“Will Obama Resign?
Months ago, I predicted in this column that President Obama would so discredit himself in office that he wouldn’t even be on the ballot in 2012, let alone have a prayer of being reelected. Like President Johnson in 1968, who had won a much bigger victory four years previously than Obama did in 2008, President Obama will be so politically defunct by 2012 that he won’t even try to run for reelection.
I am now ready to predict that President Obama will not even make it that far. I predict that he will resign in discredited disgrace before the fall of 2012. Like my previous prediction, that is based not just on where we are now, but where we are going under his misleadership.
Watergate was supposed to have established that Presidents are not above the law. If that is so, President Obama may have to resign for breaking the law in the Sestak affair.
Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) is now the Democrat nominee for the Senate seat held far too long by Arlen Specter. President Obama induced Specter to switch parties and give the Democrats their very temporary, 60 vote, filibuster-proof majority, in return for endorsing him for reelection and promising him no opposition in the Democrat primary. But Sestak had already announced that he was running for the seat, and he refused to get out. Two week ago, Sestak defeated the unprincipled, opportunistic Specter for the Democrat nomination, continuing the perfect string of everyone who Obama endorses and campaigns for going down to defeat.
For months now, Sestak has publicly claimed that President Obama tried to keep his promise to Specter by offering him a high-ranking administration appointment if he would get out of the race. The rumor is that Sestak, formerly an Admiral, was offered appointment as Secretary of the Navy. The problem is that a federal statute explicitly provides that it is a federal felony, punishable by up to one year in prison, to attempt to bribe a candidate with a federal job, or anything of value, to influence an election.”
You Can Read The Full Article Here:
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/the-coming-resignation-of-barack-obama/
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“Lt. Col. Earl-Graef – Open Letter to Leo Donofrio (in response to RIGHT SIDE OF LIFE
Posted on April 26th, 2009 by David Crockett
Dr. Orly Taitz published
Friday, April 10, 2009 2:25 PM
From:
“David Earl-Graef”
To:
dr_taitz@yahoo.com
Orly,
Is there some way to get this to The Right Side of Life web site ? Leo needs to get in the fight or back out !!
David
“Open Letter to Leo Donofrio (in response to RIGHT SIDE OF LIFE article)
Leo,
I am fully cognizant that we are on the same side and that our goal is the same; uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. In keeping with that please accept my comments in the spirit of brotherhood in which they are intended. You made the statement “I say there is no Justice outside of the Constitution and that if you sink to that level of thought the true enemies of the Constitution will have defeated you and it forevermore”.
I agree wholeheartedly with the statement regarding relevance of Justice to the Constitution however, I strongly disagree with your reference to the Citizens Grand Jury. You go on to say: “But the people have not even come close to doing everything in their power to see that the Constitution is protected.
The Constitutionally proper way to challenge POTUS eligibility is via the DC Code quo warranto statute”.
To this latter statement I reply: While I appreciate your efforts you miss a MAJOR point. Those individuals such as the US Attorneys, Congressman, Officers of the Court etc. that have not taken timely action to ensure our Constitution is not being abused, ignored or dismantled are under oath to defend it.
It is nothing short of a travesty that those with the power to investigate the Constitutional qualifications of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of President must be forced or even asked to do what they are required by their oath of office to do.
I am sorry Leo, but what you are espousing as a reasonable course of action is by analogy like calling for 1 million letters to be sent to every single American Soldier demanding they uphold their oath of office to defend the Constitution.
This is absurd! We do this without asking. Our leadership is under oath just as certainly as I am. Make no mistake, if I fail in my duty or my oath of office which is to the Constitution there are severe
consequences that I will suffer.
So it is that I ask you. Should Congress, US Attorneys, Officers of the Court etc be held to a LOWER standard than each and every military member? Should we acquiesce to their dereliction or hold them
accountable? What are the consequences for them should they fail? My own Senator Mark Warner from Virginia has turned a blind eye to this and after 17 years in the service of my country absolutely turned his back on me.
Should those like him who send our young troops off to die in defense of the Constitution be given a pass on their allegiance to the Constitution and our Country? Should the American People have to send “a million letters” to get a US Attorney to do what they are sworn to do?
If indeed they are derelict in their duty or worse aiding and abetting treason at what point does the POWER vested in them return to the PEOPLE? How do we know when that point has been reached? If we
remain uncertain if they are derelict or not because of their failure to investigate the questions surrounding Barack Obama and his refusal to be forthcoming must we remain uncertain forever?
Should we have to wait until much damage is done to vote them out ? This again is absurd!! We are not asking them do die for our Country just see that our Constitution is being followed. Why have they not done so already and what does this tell us about their motivations and allegiance?
This discourse is not to say we should discontinue in our efforts to resolve this by every means possible using the methods you suggest to include writing letters in mass and calling them. This is to question by what reason you assert the people have not even come close to doing everything in our power via the Courts, pleading with Congress etc etc?
The truth is we should NOT even be burdened by this!! So how is it that you claim we have not done nearly enough through the courts? This is not to say that the ultimate responsibility to uphold the Constitution does not rest with We the People, because it does.
I hope that our leaders wake up and listen! I have already warned them, while it has been my prayer that the defense of the Constitution should not come to the citizenry and the ends of means allocated to them by the Constitution; I see it is already happening. The very fact that we are now seeing the formation of Citizens Grand Juries and TEA parties is saying we are farther along that road than we should ever have to be. Is the leadership really that blind or do they feel so empowered they may ignore their responsibility to the Constitution without consequence?
With each tic of the clock the questions mount and beg to be answered but are only greeted with deafening silence or worse scoffing, arrogant public officials. The top on this kettle is going to blow and I would not want to be in the kitchen when it does but no matter, there will be no escape for most of us. Ignore the Constitution and we become a Nation without law. Based on my observations, without a change in course, we are headed for social chaos.
I know in most all things there is ALWAYS a point of no return; a marriage that fails, a war that is lost or a treaty broken. Just as certain there is surely a point of no return where the cost to restore our Country to the vision of our Founding Fathers will be at great human suffering and sacrifice. To think that we should lose her is not something I am ready to accept but I can not deny that possibility.
It is not the Citizens of the Grand Juries who have sank to a lower level of thought but our Government. God help us and God forgive them if THEY HAVE sank to the point where they believe the Constitution is not worthy of defense and in doing so placed us all in peril. I still hav hope in my heart that this great land will survive; my question now is at what cost and who among them are willing to be the first, if any, to rise to her defense when it is still not clear that they should profit themselves by it.
Sincerely,
Lt Col David A. Earl-Graef USAFR MC”
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[David Crockett remark] Amen To That.
4 Responses to “Lt. Col. Earl-Graef – Open Letter to Leo Donofrio (in response to RIGHT SIDE OF LIFE”
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Marcia // Apr 26, 2009 at 3:56 am
WOW WHAT A GOOD LETTER THIS IS.
Lt Col Earl-Graef has hit the point. We as citizens of the USA should not have to sue the President to show his BC he should be forthcoming but he is not.
I have written letter after letter is each Supreme Court Justice and to my senators and representatives on this matter and we are getting no where fast. I will continue to write letters and send them but where is it getting us?
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njresident // Apr 26, 2009 at 4:26 am
Lt Col Earl Graef is truly inspiring, courageous, insightful and patriotic. Too bad we don’t have political leaders such as him.
It is so true – all these government officials and ‘lawmakers’ are elected or appointed to uphold the US Constitution and work for WE the people to ensure that we can have life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. However, just about all of them have violated their oaths and spit on the Constitution. We are forever burdened with the daunting task of reminding them of their duties and oaths. Each one of us has to take time out from our work to write letters to each and everyone of them, whereas each and everyone of them can devote all their time to violating the Constitution while ignoring all of us, with no consequences at all! After all the exhausting work in writing and countering their attacks on the Constitution, we are left to feel so very guilty at not having kept a watchful eye on each and everyone of them all these years! Guess what, all these work and guilt and we don’t even get a penny for it – we get taxed to death instead! Whereas the fat cats up there are laughing all their ways to the banks with all our money!
We are so exhausted and breathless, but we only have ourselves to blame!
It certainly is NOT good to be a lowly ‘REPRESENTED’ ; it is much better to be KING OBAMA or THE REPRESENTATIVES!
On second thought, I think I will run for a political job so I can afford to be lazy, arrogant, have fun shredding the Constitution all day long and laughing at “them” – you know, those I represent, every time I get a letter from them.
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JeffM // Apr 26, 2009 at 7:16 am
Thank you Earl!
Leo, if you’re surfing this blog, please remember this. You don’t have to feel you need to protect the patriots of this great nation. Many are prepared to give their lives for freedom and liberty. Almost every true patriotic service man and woman have sworn an oath to protect the patriots and people of this great nation. And they are prepared to give their lives for us.
Focus on what is right in your heart. Take risks. Ratchet up your bootstraps and move forward. You feel your life is in risk and are afraid. What about the rest of us???? Take a stand. Be a man. And for God’s sake FOCUS!!!
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Piecemaker // Apr 26, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I agree, this is a great letter. Why not post it on Leo’s blog? He reads all comments. He may not post it but he will read it.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/”
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>>>JBJD,
Lt. Col. Lakin admits he is disobeying a direct order. Assuming according to the rules of procedure in this case, if he can offer an affirmative defense – that is, a ‘yes I did it but I should not be punished because…’ – that affirmative defense will be either 1) the order was illegal and, therefore, under the UCMJ, he was obligated to disobey; or 2) the order was legal but in conflict with another mandatory provision of the UCMJ.
If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.<<<<
The facts of the case:
1. Larkin admits he will not deploy outside of US territory.
2. Jurisdiction for his military service transfer from Gov. of state to POTUS when on foriegn soil.
3. Service in military on foriegn soil, without a legal order from a legal POTUS, makes you a war criminal in international eyes.
4. WWII war trials DID NOT recognize a defense of "following orders" even if from HITLER himself or the EMPEROR.
5. Larkin has a DUTY to refuse to follow any order he believes is illegal.
6. Larkin DID try to get confirmation, through channels, that the POTUS was legitimate and his orders were illegal. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT—HE ATTEMPTED TO GET CONFIRMATION OF THE LEGALITY OF THE ORDER AND WAS DENIED!!!
I believe your logic is flawed that LTC Larkin has to PROVE obama is ineligible. He has to prove that he is at risk (which he is), That he BELIEVES the order was Illegal (which he does), and that he attempted, through appropriate channels, proof that his order was legal (which he did) and was denied (which is was).
Assumptions that he has to PROVE that an order was illegal not to follow it, would have allowed many WAR CRIMINALS a perfect defense in WWII. "I couldn't prove that the order from Hitler to kill Jews was illegal, so I killed them" or better "I couldn't prove that the order to 'consume' Australian POWS when we ran out of food was illegal on a south pacific island cut off from communications, so we did it". I find any logic that allows this to be acceptable is flawed.
Pete
Pete // June 9, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Exactly
Excellent
I stink at typing on my blackberry eh?
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 7:13 pm
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In this case jbjd is correct. See specifically the comment: “… the federal court ruled, states (and political parties) cannot expand upon the Constitutional qualifications for Congress. These requirements can only be changed by amending the Constitution.”
All constitutionally elected officials are given Security Clearances, no questions asked.
There is also a good reason for the Federal court ruling. Whoever dispenses security clearances could “go rogue” and control the elections by withholding security clearances. In other words, they become king makers.
That is why I said earlier that the MSM is so important. It is THEIR job to expose the facts in individual cases and get the information in front of the electorate. If the electorate is fully informed, then their ‘wise’ decisions combined with eligibility requirements become the final answer.
Right now the constitution does not list “passing a security check” as one of the requirements for President. But I guarantee you that if We The People were made aware that Zero could not of and why, we would not have elected him.
That is the way it is supposed to work.
Pete // June 9, 2010 at 8:00 pm
>>>JBJD,
Lt. Col. Lakin admits he is disobeying a direct order. Assuming according to the rules of procedure in this case, if he can offer an affirmative defense – that is, a ‘yes I did it but I should not be punished because…’ – that affirmative defense will be either 1) the order was illegal and, therefore, under the UCMJ, he was obligated to disobey; or 2) the order was legal but in conflict with another mandatory provision of the UCMJ.
If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.<<<<
The facts of the case:
1. Larkin admits he will not deploy outside of US territory.
2. Jurisdiction for his military service transfer from Gov. of state to POTUS when on foriegn soil.
3. Service in military on foriegn soil, without a legal order from a legal POTUS, makes you a war criminal in international eyes.
4. WWII war trials DID NOT recognize a defense of "following orders" even if from HITLER himself or the EMPEROR.
5. Larkin has a DUTY to refuse to follow any order he believes is illegal.
6. Larkin DID try to get confirmation, through channels, that the POTUS was legitimate and his orders were illegal. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT—HE ATTEMPTED TO GET CONFIRMATION OF THE LEGALITY OF THE ORDER AND WAS DENIED!!!
I believe your logic is flawed that LTC Larkin has to PROVE obama is ineligible. He has to prove that he is at risk (which he is), That he BELIEVES the order was Illegal (which he does), and that he attempted, through appropriate channels, proof that his order was legal (which he did) and was denied (which is was).
Assumptions that he has to PROVE that an order was illegal not to follow it, would have allowed many WAR CRIMINALS a perfect defense in WWII. "I couldn't prove that the order from Hitler to kill Jews was illegal, so I killed them" or better "I couldn't prove that the order to 'consume' Australian POWS when we ran out of food was illegal on a south pacific island cut off from communications, so we did it". I find any logic that allows this to be acceptable is flawed.
Pete
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Well Stated, Pete! I suggest you send that to Lakin's attorneys. It would be great in a opening statement or a closing argument.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm
“BO was lawfully elected POTUS.”
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In this case, jbjd is wrong. Or let me be VERY precise and parse the words. After I do that, you will see that if jbjd is right, she is still short of the full truth.
The important phrase we are looking for is
“BO is the lawful POTUS”
Notice the different but CRITICAL difference in wording.
In order to be a lawful POTUS, there must TWO things be true: 1) the proper election process must be followed, AND 2) the candidate must be eligible. These are two separate things and must both be true.
So perhaps jbjd is correct to say that
“BO was lawfully elected POTUS”
(although, given the frauds and misrepresentations, I am personally not willing to say this – but I am no Judge)
But you need the other half
“BO was lawfully eligible for POTUS”
As a mathematician and logician, I will put this in the correct formal statement of logic:
If BO is lawfully eligible for POTUS
AND
If BO is lawfully elected as POTUS
THEN
BO is lawfully POTUS
See – that is very clear, simple, conclusive, and seemingly not contestable. I really don’t know how people continue to get their knickers in a twist over this. It is neither Brain Surgery nor Rocket Science. Just simple logic.
Obama cannot be a lawfully elected president, yes jbjd, I understand your points and they are well noted. However, a binding contract is not binding if a party entered it knowing fraud and deceit was intentional… We the people hold the legal binding contract of our represenatives, our employees, not the other way around.
This would be akin to Berrnie Madoff legally defrauding millions of investors with a defence claiming, “hell, they legally placed their investmest funds with him, therefore itls legal”…..no harm no foul…. I fully and whole-heartedly agree with you and your writings whereby state officials should be accountable, in short. (Impossible to put you entire legal reseah into a single phrase).
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm
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I apologize and accept punishment if I mis-represented your position.
But I am still hung up on the phrase “the potential catastrophic harm to the country if individual soldiers determined for themselves when to serve”. You seem to imply that this is a problem or that it is something to be considered.
I say not so. It is the way the military is supposed to work. Therefore there is no downside. You have no basis to have an opinion about it or to disrespect it. It IS the way it IS. So why do you keep harping on it. Just let it drop. It is not a valid part of any counter argument. Nobody should advise him of that fact. He is not being ill served by anyone.
The is NO catastrophic harm!
Starla // June 9, 2010 at 7:54 pm
From: Stand Up America US
http://standupamericaus.com/
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Thank you, Starla. However, I don’t understand the point of Col. Graef’s letter. Why does he think he needs Leo Donofrio’s help to form a Grand Jury?
Please direct all arguments against my evaluation of the major issues presented in the Lakin case, to (former) Judge Advocate General Phil Case, whom I quote directly in my article. He now practices military law as a civilian, and agrees with everything I have said. Thank you.
William // June 9, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Obama cannot be a lawfully elected president, yes jbjd, I understand your points and they are well noted. However, a binding contract is not binding if a party entered it knowing fraud and deceit was intentional… We the people hold t he legal binding contract of our represenatives, our employees, not the other way around.
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U R correct. this matter is addressed in this article.
http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Isn’t it convenient how jbjd had all this info in advance on CCC & Adams? Makes it apparent that jbjd was part of the setup of Aristotle & CW.
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FS – jbjd wasn”t the only one who had info in advance on CCC. As far as Adams is concerned, I expressed
possible doubt early on. Does that make me, in your opinion, “part of the setup of Aristotle & CW”, two sites that I have a high regard for?
You have a right to your opinions just as jbjd has, and it seems out of decent character for anyone to form such snap judgments. I know you are passionate and a “no nonsense” guy, but can’t we treat others as we would like to be treated?
You repeatedly say, “NONSENSE” to something you don’t agree or approve. It gets a little old after awhile. Please don’t think I’m being a “policeman”, I think we would all feel better if we are more respectful to each other, that’s all.
Re: “Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 8:26 pm
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Pete // June 9, 2010 at 8:00 pm
>>>JBJD,
Lt. Col. Lakin admits he is disobeying a direct order. Assuming according to the rules of procedure in this case, if he can offer an affirmative defense – that is, a ‘yes I did it but I should not be punished because…’ – that affirmative defense will be either 1) the order was illegal and, therefore, under the UCMJ, he was obligated to disobey; or 2) the order was legal but in conflict with another mandatory provision of the UCMJ.
If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.<<<<
The facts of the case:
1. Larkin admits he will not deploy outside of US territory.
2. Jurisdiction for his military service transfer from Gov. of state to POTUS when on foriegn soil.
3. Service in military on foriegn soil, without a legal order from a legal POTUS, makes you a war criminal in international eyes.
4. WWII war trials DID NOT recognize a defense of "following orders" even if from HITLER himself or the EMPEROR.
5. Larkin has a DUTY to refuse to follow any order he believes is illegal.
6. Larkin DID try to get confirmation, through channels, that the POTUS was legitimate and his orders were illegal. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT—HE ATTEMPTED TO GET CONFIRMATION OF THE LEGALITY OF THE ORDER AND WAS DENIED!!!
I believe your logic is flawed that LTC Larkin has to PROVE obama is ineligible. He has to prove that he is at risk (which he is), That he BELIEVES the order was Illegal (which he does), and that he attempted, through appropriate channels, proof that his order was legal (which he did) and was denied (which is was).
Assumptions that he has to PROVE that an order was illegal not to follow it, would have allowed many WAR CRIMINALS a perfect defense in WWII. "I couldn't prove that the order from Hitler to kill Jews was illegal, so I killed them" or better "I couldn't prove that the order to 'consume' Australian POWS when we ran out of food was illegal on a south pacific island cut off from communications, so we did it". I find any logic that allows this to be acceptable is flawed.
Pete
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Well Stated, Pete! I suggest you send that to Lakin's attorneys. It would be great in a opening statement or a closing argument.
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What Great Insight Pete!! This Is Extremely Well Stated Pete!! I concur!! Lt. Col. Lakin's attorney's need to see this, and should use it as opening arguments…..
Great Insight Pete And Great Insight Free Speech!!
None of these arguments is as powerful as this one: BHO has repeatedly and publicly declared that his Dad was British. No discovery is needed to demonstrate to any party, including a fifth grader, that BHO is a usurper and all of his orders are illegal under the Constitution. Codes of Military Justice and rules of the court are all completely irrevelent. It is as if someone suggests in court that it is June, a commonly accepted fact. No proof is needed if it IS June. No proof is needed by Lakin to show that any order he receives is illegal. In fact the government lawyers and magistrates are under trial here, not Lakin. This is all much simpler that many are characterizing it.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Please direct all arguments against my evaluation of the major issues presented in the Lakin case, to (former) Judge Advocate General Phil Case, whom I quote directly in my article. He now practices military law as a civilian, and agrees with everything I have said. Thank you.
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jbjd, I have a great deal of respect for your judicial mind and intensive work and realize that you have much confidence in the opinion of former Judge Advocate General Phil Case; however, there are many bright legal minds out there who are equally experienced in military justice that may have differing opinions, or, at least, variances in those opinions.
Personally, I agree with the many posters here who feel that Lt. Col. Lakin has every right to the discovery that would defend him in his right to not follow orders of a CIC that is unqualified to be POTUS. The reasons cited by our military posters and others are valid to me, considering the greatly increased risk posed on the battlefield, especially with the presence of U.N. officials and nations only too ready to indict our dedicated armed forces for some sort of alleged war crimes. The world is even more dangerous than it was during WW II, in a different sort of way.
Cabby,
Most of what jbjd posts is nonsense & some is blatantly false, but her attacks on Lt. Col. Lakin were beyond the pale.
I will continue to expose nonsense & falsehoods.
Cabby – AZ // June 9, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Isn’t it convenient how jbjd had all this info in advance on CCC & Adams? Makes it apparent that jbjd was part of the setup of Aristotle & CW.
FS – jbjd wasn”t the only one who had info in advance on CCC. As far as Adams is concerned, I expressed
possible doubt early on. Does that make me, in your opinion, “part of the setup of Aristotle & CW”, two sites that I have a high regard for?
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In fact, as I explained in my first comment here on the subject, I had no advance knowledge of CCC. (C-Z, I am not faulting you for repeating the mischaracterizations of my work, planted by others.)
I followed up with this comment, explaining in more detail the thought process that went into this ‘discovery.’
Bill G // June 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm
None of these arguments is as powerful as this one: BHO has repeatedly and publicly declared that his Dad was British. No discovery is needed to demonstrate to any party, including a fifth grader, that BHO is a usurper and all of his orders are illegal under the Constitution. Codes of Military Justice and rules of the court are all completely irrevelent. It is as if someone suggests in court that it is June, a commonly accepted fact. No proof is needed if it IS June. No proof is needed by Lakin to show that any order he receives is illegal. In fact the government lawyers and magistrates are under trial here, not Lakin. This is all much simpler that many are characterizing it.
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I agree. It is simply a matter of definition.
Here is the definition:
The following is the passage from Law of Nations that was used as the definition for a Natural Born Citizen by our Founding Fathers:
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Now what part of Vattel’s clear and concise Definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN do Communists, Socialists, Liberals and Democrats not understand?
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Cabby,
Most of what jbjd posts is nonsense & some is blatantly false, but her attacks on Lt. Col. Lakin were beyond the pale.
I will continue to expose nonsense & falsehoods.
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FS – OK, I hear you! And in the spirit of fairness you have the right to speak your convictions, also, just as we all do. It’s just that…….. let’s try to watch ourselves and be civil while doing it,
Patriot! Peace!
Personally, FS, I don’t know why you have such anger in you. You need to release it, but no release it on others who have not hurt you at all.
Haven’t you ever learned what your mamma may have taught? You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar? Well, I’m not saying that we’re flies, but maybe you can understand what I’m saying. Learn to love your neighbor as yourself. Show them the same courtesy as you wish to be shown. Do unto others AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!
“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!” Late Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater
Cabby – AZ // June 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Please direct all arguments against my evaluation of the major issues presented in the Lakin case, to (former) Judge Advocate General Phil Case, whom I quote directly in my article. He now practices military law as a civilian, and agrees with everything I have said. Thank you.
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jbjd, I have a great deal of respect for your judicial mind and intensive work and realize that you have much confidence in the opinion of former Judge Advocate General Phil Case; however, there are many bright legal minds out there who are equally experienced in military justice that may have differing opinions, or, at least, variances in those opinions.
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C-A, thank you for appreciating the work.
I just want to point out, no other expert in military law has come forth to fault the legality of the ruling of the tribunal to limit the scope of Discovery. Sure, people argue their emotions; but ‘ours is a country of laws and not men.’ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/conversation/july-dec01/mccullough_07-04.html
Actually, I think this point might even clarify the situation. The tribunal, in either limiting the scope of Discovery or, in disallowing an Affirmative Defense that, the POTUS is not Constitutionally qualified for the job; is not ruling on whether BO is Constitutionally qualified for the job. It is only ruling, as the scope of the legal analysis only rests in the refusal to follow orders of a direct superior – as opposed to the CiC – an inquiry as to whether the CiC is Constitutionally qualified is irrelevant to Defendant’s guilt or innocence.
Does that help?
kittycat // June 9, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Personally, FS, I don’t know why you have such anger in you.
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You really don’t understand why Patriots are angry about boChorts destroying our Country? My question is why aren’t you angry? Why aren’t you angry about jbjd saying that Lt. Col. Lakin had “no defense” from his honorable actions? Why aren’t you angry about jbjd’s FALSE STATEMENT that Lakin’s defense fund was a “fraud?” The man’s liberty is at stake and she tries to discredit his defense fund and that does not make you angry?
More UTTER NONSENSE from jbjd:
“If he argues the affirmative defense that, the order he disobeyed is unlawful on the basis that BO is not the lawful President then, he will have to establish BO was not lawfully elected. That burden never shifts to the prosecution.”
THE BURDEN IS ON THE PROSECUTION TO PROVE THAT HE IS GUILTY OF DISOBEYING A LAWFUL ORDER.
Ever heard of the concept of innocent until proven guilty, jbjd?
JBJD
It is only ruling, as the scope of the legal analysis only rests in the refusal to follow orders of a direct superior – as opposed to the CiC – an inquiry as to whether the CiC is Constitutionally qualified is irrelevant to Defendant’s guilt or innocence.
Does that help?
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Officers oath
I (insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.
Military officers do not have to follow what they deem are unlawful orders .
Enlisted personnel must follow all orders unlawful or not, and must obey all orders from superior officers and the CIC .
Enlisted oath
In the National Guard (Army or Air)
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God
http://www.hillaryis44.org/
Impeach, Remove, Imprison Barack Obama? – Part II
Obama knew. Criminally negligent Obama knew. Instead of organizing an armada of small fishing ships equipped with oil skim equipment to protect the bayous and the estuaries; instead of organizing an armada of larger vessels in an outer ring to scoop up escaped oil; instead of organizing an armada of large tankers surrounding the gushing oil rig itself, Obama chose to deceive and distract.
Obama knew. Instead of organizing an armada of ships to intercept the oil, like the Israelis blockade terrorist Hamas in Gaza, Obama chose to deceive and distract. Instead of scooping up the oil the order was to drop toxic “dispersants” which would hide the oil, drive the oil into the deep, away from human eyes. Instead of telling the truth to the American people and organizing an armada of ships to protect the mainland Obama held glamorous events and met with celebrities – deceive an distract.
For his criminal negligence Obama the answer is Impeach, Remove, Imprison Barack Obama.
Americans need an investigation to prove with legal finality that Obama knew. The public record is clear that Obama knew.
(more)
Thanks Army! The order clearly compels an Officer to do exactly as Lakin did.
Under the UCMJ, all orders are presumed on their face to be lawful. But if someone knows orders are unlawful then, this is a different story.
The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC. And, absent such knowledge, disobeying an order on the basis of suspicion violated the Code. Period.
Lt. Col. Lakin’s lawyers are doing their client a disservice; actually, the disservice occurred before he broke the law. Using the courts or a military tribunal as a crap game to exonerate personal beliefs, however dearly held, concedes the argument. That is, Defendant is admitting, ‘I have no documentary evidence on which to base my belief; I just believe.’
Okay in church but not in court.
(I wonder why they are not going with the argument, it is this absence of documentary evidence that led to the Lt. Col.’s belief BO is Constitutionally ineligible for the job? Still, exoneration would be a long shot. The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.)
Thanks Army! The oath clearly compels an Officer to do exactly as Lakin did.
jbjd @ 10:20.
“The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC”
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Well, I know he’s not a NBC, he said so on his own website when he said he was born with dual citizenship through his daddy.
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC. FALSE!
Lt. Col. Lakin’s lawyers are doing their client a disservice; actually, the disservice occurred before he broke the law. FALSE!
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
“The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC. And, absent such knowledge, disobeying an order on the basis of suspicion violated the Code.”
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– MO stating multiple times on tape that Kenya is o’s “home country.”
– Notes of the Kenyan parliment.
– Countless periodicals from the time o was a senator state he was “Kenyan.”
– O’s campaign web page stated “Native” not “Natural”
I could go on but see no point. No basis for Lakin’s suspicion? Not buying it. I’m not a lawyer, but, I’m not a fool either.
Michelle // June 9, 2010 at 10:15 pm
http://www.hillaryis44.org/
Impeach, Remove, Imprison Barack Obama? – Part II
Obama knew. Criminally negligent Obama knew. Instead of organizing an armada of small fishing ships equipped with oil skim equipment to protect the bayous and the estuaries; instead of organizing an armada of larger vessels in an outer ring to scoop up escaped oil; instead of organizing an armada of large tankers surrounding the gushing oil rig itself, Obama chose to deceive and distract.
Obama knew. Instead of organizing an armada of ships to intercept the oil, like the Israelis blockade terrorist Hamas in Gaza, Obama chose to deceive and distract. Instead of scooping up the oil the order was to drop toxic “dispersants” which would hide the oil, drive the oil into the deep, away from human eyes. Instead of telling the truth to the American people and organizing an armada of ships to protect the mainland Obama held glamorous events and met with celebrities – deceive an distract.
For his criminal negligence Obama the answer is Impeach, Remove, Imprison Barack Obama.
Americans need an investigation to prove with legal finality that Obama knew. The public record is clear that Obama knew.
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Crimes of omission.
Sorry; left out the cite.
According to the law, military orders are presumed to be legal. The burden of rebutting this presumption is always on the accused.
Of course, the Accused is presumed Innocent (of disobeying a presumptively lawful order in violation of the UCMJ) until proven Guilty.
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm
“The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC. And, absent such knowledge, disobeying an order on the basis of suspicion violated the Code.”
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– MO stating multiple times on tape that Kenya is o’s “home country.”
– Notes of the Kenyan parliment.
– Countless periodicals from the time o was a senator state he was “Kenyan.”
– O’s campaign web page stated “Native” not “Natural”
I could go on but see no point. No basis for Lakin’s suspicion? Not buying it. I’m not a lawyer, but, I’m not a fool either.
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That is jbjd’s problem only fools or bobots would buy her arguments.
Everyone, the reason I already know what I am talking about when it comes to Lt. Col. Lakin is that I conducted most of this research more than a year and a half ago. I posted this on my blog.
Some of you will remember this.
People were flocking into court to contest BO’s Constitutional eligibility for POTUS. The courts consistently ruled, Plaintiffs had no standing. I thought of a way to gain standing. I figured out, a member of the National Guard called up for active duty could have standing; and, even better, s/he would not be subject to discipline under the UCMJ until actually reporting for duty. Up to that point, the ‘CiC’ is the Governor of the state!
I never recommended the way to go was initiate a court case; but for those who did, I drafted the model case, using the Federal Declaratory Judgment Act; and fashioned the model Plaintiff, a member of the National Guard called up to active duty, BEFORE reporting.
All of this is old. We are sliding backwards. People are so easily wasting our time.
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 10:32 pm
“The problem is, no one knows whether BO is a NBC. And, absent such knowledge, disobeying an order on the basis of suspicion violated the Code.”
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– MO stating multiple times on tape that Kenya is o’s “home country.”
– Notes of the Kenyan parliment.
– Countless periodicals from the time o was a senator state he was “Kenyan.”
– O’s campaign web page stated “Native” not “Natural”
I could go on but see no point. No basis for Lakin’s suspicion? Not buying it. I’m not a lawyer, but, I’m not a fool either.
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If this ‘evidence’ in the public record proves BO is not a NBC and, Lt. Col. Lakin is basing his claim BO is not a NBC on this ‘evidence’; then why does he need Discovery, anyway? Remember, under the law, the burden is on him to establish, he had no obligation to obey what is a presumptively lawful command.
I think at least 90 per cent of Democrats agree the sooner the former Democratic party is put out of it’s misery the better for the whole country.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/
Dimocrats and even Republicans and even some conservatives, like Bill O’Reilly, want to apply dispersants to the problem which is Barack Obama. These behind the curve dolts “blame the staff” or whatever the excuse of the day is. But the problem is Barack Obama. There is only one solution: Impeach, Remove, Imprison.
http://hillbuzz.org/
We believe the Democrat Party is a dead man walking.
Honestly, we think the DNC has done so much damage in the Golden Age of Obama that we don’t want to see the party saved. We want it destroyed, with the Earth around it salted so that it permanently joins the Whigs on the scrap heap of history
The information in public record validates Lakin’s suspicion and request for confirmation of o’s nbc status. Personally, I don’t think Lakin needs discovery. I believe enough evidence exsists in public domain to convict o of usurpation, treason, war crimes, voter fraud, identity theft, bribery, and possibly being an illegal alien.
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 10:59 pm
The information in public record validates Lakin’s suspicion and request for confirmation of o’s nbc status. Personally, I don’t think Lakin needs discovery. I believe enough evidence exsists in public domain to convict o of usurpation, treason, war crimes, voter fraud, identity theft, bribery, and possibly being an illegal alien.
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He has a right to discovery, but I agree there is plenty of evidence of treason, war crimes, voter fraud, identity theft, bribery et al.
Know those Dutch ships en route to the Guif delivering rigs that could plug the leak? The Dutch first offered this assistant 3 (three) days after the explosion. BO said, ‘No thanks.’
I predict that if this equipment does the trick; the fact it could have done the trick 50 days and hundreds of thousands of barrels of spilled crude oil and thousands of dead birds, fish, mammals and acres of wetlands ago; will signal the end of BO’s Presidency.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/7043272.html
jbjd @ 11:10 pm
Check out the video in the link below to see how the Dutch oil skimming arms work.
Lurker // June 7, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Okay, I just found this May 28th Dutch article which confirms that the US finally asked them for help in the Gulf. Why did they wait so long to except help?!? See the second video on this page to see how the “sweeping arms” work. I’m very grateful to the Dutch.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-company-glad-help-out-gulf-mexico#comment-form
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This is from May 4th at the same Dutch site.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/dutch-oil-spill-response-team-standby-us-oil-disaster
Listen to the Newsline interview with Wierd Knoops
jbjd @ 11:10 pm
” BO said, ‘No thanks.’”
The Dutch and many others from what I read, all rejected by HIM. Our local news was just on Florida Keys is preparing for the oil spill, they don’t think it is going to hit them, but they want to be prepared just in case. A Mr. Goldstein plumber was on with his good idea to fix, I tried to get video but I couldn’t , thousands of people attempted to send ideas to gov’t and BP, they are now going local, Gov. they found out pretty quick federal govt. BP useless.
“I predict that if this equipment does the trick; the fact it could have done the trick 50 days and hundreds of thousands of barrels of spilled crude oil and thousands of dead birds, fish, mammals and acres of wetlands ago; will signal the end of BO’s Presidency.” I think he is already there, if the Democratic party is that dumb what can I tell you. They can’t seem to get their brains out of money and power, for the people it is about their lives, their businesses, their families. Obama/DNC cannot schmooze, or finesse their way out of this one.
NO WAY.
From an American to the Dutch and all others who tried to offer assistance immediately to my fellow Americans in their time of need, Thank you.
This is a must see!
Yet Another Example of Tea Party Violence
Posted by Brian Simpson (Profile)
Wednesday, June 9th at 11:12PM EDT
http://www.redstate.com/simpson316/2010/06/09/yet-another-example-of-tea-party-violence/
Some call the Oil Spill Obama’s Katrina, I see it more like the sinking of the Titanic, yet another catastrophe that did not need to happen. Short-cuts were taken, inferior products used, tried to speed up the trip, too few lifeboats and an ARROGANT attitude.
http://www.historyonthenet.com/Titanic/blame.htm
Lurker @ 11:34 pm
Sometimes I think what does the rest of the world think. Do they think the American people are being held hostage by idiots? That’s what I would think if I lived in France.
“The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.
This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more.
The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.
The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. ”
Complete article:
http://www.rense.com/general91/oilor.htm
Michelle @ 11:45
I know what you mean Michelle. It’s so embarrassing. France? Hey, are you by any chance related to Beldar and Prymaat? hehe
Lurker, OMG, I missed your earlier post. I went to the site; I can only cry. (And post the link to the site on Progressive sites which will allow the comment to appear.)
Thank you.
I always thought that Dr. Ballard was such an interesting person. I remember years ago he said we know more about outer space than we do our Oceans, maybe now our Oceans will get a little respect. He and his team invented mini-sub marines, underwater cameras and a lot of neat stuff along the way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ballard
Robert Duane Ballard (born June 30, 1942 in Wichita, Kansas) is a former commander in the United States Navy and a professor of oceanography at the University of Rhode Island who is most noted for his work in underwater archaeology. He is most famous for the discoveries of the wrecks of the RMS Titanic in 1985, the battleship Bismarck in 1989, and the wreck of the aircraft carrier USS Yorktown in 1998. Most recently he discovered the wreck of John F. Kennedy’s PT-109 in 2002 and visited the Solomon Islander natives who saved its crew.
Ballard joined the United States Army in 1965 through the Army’s Reserve Officers Training program. Ballard was designated as an intelligence officer and initially received a commission as a second lieutenant in the Army Reserve. He was called up to active duty in 1967 but requested to fulfill his obligation in the United States Navy. His request was approved and Ballard was transferred to the Navy Reserve on the reserve active duty list. After completing his active duty obligation in 1970, Ballard was transferred back to reserve status where he would remain for a good portion of his military career being called up only for mandatory training and special assignments. He retired from the Navy as a commander in 2004 after reaching the statutory age limit.
Lurker @ 11:52 pm
I’m part French, have a little respect. Marie Antoinette and Louis XV1 paid for our Revolution and in more ways than one.
Beldar and Prymaat I’ll have to google this up.
Lurker @ 11:52 pm
Oh Coneheads.
Obama will not survive a run in 2012. Hawaiian law allows for a finding of eligibility for a presidential candidate to be challenged:
“(e) If the applicant, or any other party, individual, or group with a candidate on the presidential ballot, objects to the finding of eligibility or disqualification the person may, not later than 4:30 p.m. on the fifth day after the finding, file a request in writing with the chief election officer for a hearing on the question.”
This is from HRS §11-113: Presidential ballots.
The law requires: “A statement that each candidate is legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution.”
So, with no documentation other than a signature to claim Obama is eligible, Allen Keyes or another concerned party could go to the chief elections officer and say, “Not so fast. This candidate’s wife says Kenya is his home country, not the United States. His father is a foreign national and there’s no documentary proof Obama is a natural born citizen. I want him off the ballot.”
jbjd @ 11:56 pm
You’re quite welcome jdjb. I check that Dutch site often. They’re really keeping an eye on the Gulf and American news.
Michelle // June 10, 2010 at 12:05 am
Lurker @ 11:52 pm
Oh Coneheads.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Lmaoooooooooo!!!
Sorry Michelle, I just couldn’t resist. You’re a good sport. 😀
Lurker @ 12:13 am
I’m glad you’re having such a good time. Really
ksdb @ 12:06 am
In my mind this ceased to be about politics-the oil spill after day 3. I wonder what the Democrats will do, James Carville is still flipping out, will he do the right thing? The Dems could end this farce of a presidency tomorrow, so they lose face, they lost the respect of most of the American people 19 human made disasters of Obama months ago. They should cut their losses, do the right thing, put their tails between their legs and disappear for awhile.
Former Dem now Tea Party.
Michelle @ 12:15 am
Have a good night, Michelle. 🙂
Prairie // June 9, 2010 at 11:49 pm
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See my report at Citizen News from yesterday. It is accurate and up to date. The piece you quote is speculative and ONE of the things that MAY happen.
This COULD happen. The science is reasonable. But we are a long ways from that yet. Current worry is that the well cannot be stopped and that it will continue like it is or slightly worse for many months or years. The ‘disaster’ in that case would be oily gunk on all of GOM shores, probably gunk on entire eastern seaboard, with a potential for international gunk. The environmental damage would be staggering and the hit on the economy to the US (and to the world), incalculable. That is probably enough FUD to absorb for now.
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
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I will not say FALSE.
I will not say NONSENSE.
I will say BIZARRE.
Stance on abortion rights.
Understanding of economy.
Socialistic tendencies.
Healthcare plans.
Energy policy.
Foreign relations.
Religious or cultural proclivities.
Experience and character.
These things are all political questions.
Eligibility is part of the constitution.
The constitution is the supreme LAW of the land.
Eligibility is obviously and clearly a LEGAL issue.
Any informal or formal determination otherwise is
just plain WRONGHEADED and BIZARRE!
I almost forgot! I saw a small blurb on the news today that Kevin Costner talked about his and brothers oil cleaning machine in Congress. I found a video. Why should it take an act of Congress to allow help? sigh Good night all.
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/playlist/279/1506746?title=ap_top_news
Crimes committed by BHO co-conspirators: Murder, Identity Theft, Child Abuse are enough to get life sentences for BHO and all of his co-conspirators; and that is just Nashville that I am talking about. If you multiply those charges by every City in America wherein BHO & his co-conspirators committed similar crimes, you literally will have thousands of Indictments against BHO and his co-conspirators.
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville
Thus, it is baffling that some Patriots limit their cases against BHO and his co-conspirators to a single issue, e.g., the birthplace issue and the Natural Born Citizen issue are not either or; i.e., if BHO was not born in the USA, then he is not a Natural Born Citizen. Furthermore, the fact that his father was a British/Kenyan subject (citizen) means that he is not a Natural Born Citizen regardless of his place of birth.
In short, in your Indictments, Patriots, you should charge BHO and his co-conspirators with all of the Crimes committed by his campaign in your Cities and Towns (Voter Fraud, Identity Theft etc.) along with charges of fraud regarding his Natural Born Citizenship status should be one of the charges.
http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 10, 2010 at 12:31 am
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
==========================
I will not say FALSE.
I will not say NONSENSE.
I will say BIZARRE.
Stance on abortion rights.
Understanding of economy.
Socialistic tendencies.
Healthcare plans.
Energy policy.
Foreign relations.
Religious or cultural proclivities.
Experience and character.
These things are all political questions.
Eligibility is part of the constitution.
The constitution is the supreme LAW of the land.
Eligibility is obviously and clearly a LEGAL issue.
Any informal or formal determination otherwise is
just plain WRONGHEADED and BIZARRE!
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Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 10, 2010 at 12:31 am
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
==========================
I will not say FALSE.
I will not say NONSENSE.
I will say BIZARRE.
Stance on abortion rights.
Understanding of economy.
Socialistic tendencies.
Healthcare plans.
Energy policy.
Foreign relations.
Religious or cultural proclivities.
Experience and character.
These things are all political questions.
Eligibility is part of the constitution.
The constitution is the supreme LAW of the land.
Eligibility is obviously and clearly a LEGAL issue.
Any informal or formal determination otherwise is
just plain WRONGHEADED and BIZARRE!
**********************************
U could Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 10, 2010 at 12:31 am
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
==========================
I will not say FALSE.
I will not say NONSENSE.
I will say BIZARRE.
Stance on abortion rights.
Understanding of economy.
Socialistic tendencies.
Healthcare plans.
Energy policy.
Foreign relations.
Religious or cultural proclivities.
Experience and character.
These things are all political questions.
Eligibility is part of the constitution.
The constitution is the supreme LAW of the land.
Eligibility is obviously and clearly a LEGAL issue.
Any informal or formal determination otherwise is
just plain WRONGHEADED and BIZARRE!
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You could also Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // June 10, 2010 at 12:31 am
Free Speech // June 9, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jbjd // June 9, 2010 at 10:20 pm
The federal courts have already ruled, whether the POTUS is Constitutionally eligible for the job is a political question, and not a question of law.
FALSE
==========================
I will not say FALSE.
I will not say NONSENSE.
I will say BIZARRE.
Stance on abortion rights.
Understanding of economy.
Socialistic tendencies.
Healthcare plans.
Energy policy.
Foreign relations.
Religious or cultural proclivities.
Experience and character.
These things are all political questions.
Eligibility is part of the constitution.
The constitution is the supreme LAW of the land.
Eligibility is obviously and clearly a LEGAL issue.
Any informal or formal determination otherwise is
just plain WRONGHEADED and BIZARRE!
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Carlyle,
Thank you. You could also use the words: DECEPTIVE & MISLEADING for jbjd’s posts.
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