February 18, 2010, Open thread, Blagojevich Trial, Obama ties to Blagojevich and Rezko, Fox and MSM cover for Obama

This is the open thread for February 18, 2010. Comment about anything that you desire. However, I intend to present more details about the Blagojevich indictment, upcoming trial and why the story needs to be told of Obama’s involvement in the same corruption that ended in the indictments and/or convictions of so many of his associates and contributors. Have you asked Bill O’Reilly or Glenn Beck why they are not covering this?

290 responses to “February 18, 2010, Open thread, Blagojevich Trial, Obama ties to Blagojevich and Rezko, Fox and MSM cover for Obama

  1. I’ve been busy sending letters to various state legislators. The following is a response from a Tennessee Legislator:

    YES YES YES YES YES

  2. Here’s one response from an Iowa legislator:

    We have several bills to strengthen the constitution… will not get past the Democrat Majority.

  3. Blago’s confident that he’ll be exonerated. I wonder what he’s got.

  4. Frustrated in FL

    Tonight I listened to about TWO minutes of Bill O’Idiot and had smoke coming out of my ears!
    He was blabbing about Tea Party people being violent and idiotic and ranting about people who question Nobama’s citizenship and lack of eligibility! I could not even stand to watch Sarah Palin’s time w/ him that followed. Sarah certainy needs to drop ANY connection w/ FOX if she is as smart as I think she is!!!!!!!!!!!
    Having been a LOYAL Fox News fan ever since 9/11 I feel so betrayed w/ all of them.
    It is thoroughly DISGUSTING and it makes me ready to give up every thing except internet sites like yours CW!!!

  5. Zach, I noticed you mailed to Kentucky…if you get a response, I’d like to know what it was and from which legislators……..do you have a copy of the letter??.thanks

    JJ

  6. don in california

    Why are bill o, beck, etc suddenly going to california and out of NY??

  7. Federal Budget Cuts Could Put Your Health at Risk
    by: Kristen Guilfoos
    NewsChannel 10

    Amarillo, Texas – Local doctors say they’re having to provide less services to patients… Not because they want to, but because they have to.

    NewsChannel 10’s Kristen Guilfoos has more on why they say it could be putting your life at risk. We’re talking about cardiologists in particular… The feds have already cut their medicare reimbursements by nearly fifty percent and another round of cuts is due next month.

    It’s becoming a major concern because they’re now forced to see more patients in a shorter amount of time… On top of that they are also forced to cut back on the services they provide because they have no way to fund it. Something that could have deadly consequences. Dr. Ali Jaffarr says “They’re used to screening, lets say, once in two years. And now suddenly we have to cut it back to once in three years, four years.

    You know, people don’t have symptoms many times with heart disease. You’ve heard of people dropping dead with no symptoms. Those patients will get missed. I guarantee you we lose about twenty to twenty five percent of patients that we catch now because we can actually do things.”

    Surprised??? Oh, it will get worse.

  8. ANGEL IS NEXT – excerpt from Webster Tarpley’s book, 9/11 Synthetic Terror

    According to Bob Woodard’s mainstream account: “At about 10:30 a.m. Cheney reached Bush again on Air Force One, which was still on it’s way toward Washington. The White House had received a threat saying, “Angel is next.” Since Angel was the codeword for Air Force One.

    This points to the fact that the terrorists definitely had inside information and showed their hand with the use of this code word.
    This was the moment when Bush flew to Louisiana instead of back to Washington.

    Tarpley contends with this knowledge of the code word “Angel” it further documents insider status, and their possible access to nuclear codes. He feels this represents the single most important clue as to the sponsorship of 9/11. To quote Tarpley, “They were not located in a cave in Afghanistan, but were rather a network located high within the US government and military. It was a moment of capital importance, the thread which, if properly pulled, will unravel the entire fabric of 9/11 deceit.”

  9. don in california

    Zack, IF you should happen to hear back from ANY California legislators, I would be interested in knowing about it. I can’t get them to even respond with form letters anymore.

  10. JJ – I will send you a private email if I hear from Kentucky. I do not want to complicate anyone’s efforts to support the Constitution. Have a great night! Zach

    I did get one response from somewhere accusing me of be racist. I wrote back that I would put gladly my life up against anyone and compare commitment to justice, equality, and fairness.

    I never heard another word.

    Take care , Zach

    Here is the letter that I sent:

    Subject Line:

    Urging passage a legislative bill similar to Arizona HB 2441 – Requiring documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen for Presidential elections.

    Dear Sir or Madam:

    The reason I am writing today is to urge passage a legislative bill similar to Arizona HB 2441, which is currently awaiting a hearing before the Arizona House Judiciary Committee. Given that Article, Section 1 of the Constitution has be severely weakened this past year when not one Secretary of State required proof from any candidate to would establish he or she were a natural born citizen.

    My fear is that if one or two states do not pass legislation requiring those who supervise elections to scrutinize the eligibility of candidates in 2012, we might as well cut Article II, Section 1 from our Constitution. This provision continues to be needed today. It helps to ensure that whoever is chosen to lead our military and county will not have divided loyalties.

    I urge you to read and consider the following article that I wrote recently. Thank you for all of your work. America needs state legislators who will not cede more and more power to Washington D.C.

    Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter.

    Respectfully,

    Zach Jones

  11. don in california // February 16, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Why are bill o, beck, etc suddenly going to california and out of NY??
    ***********
    An illegal alien convention??

  12. don in california

    JJ // February 16, 2010 at 9:36 pm
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    I was thinking they might know something about NY that we don’t.

  13. don in california // February 16, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Hey Don,

    How did you do today at the doc’s?

    I’d say it sounds like they’re all getting outta Dodge…

  14. Also, maybe some one can explain this:

    How does a jumbo jet the size of a football field leave a hole in the ground the size of a one car garage?

    Eye witnesses said the hole in PA was approx. 20 ft x 10 ft. Video footage of the site shows the same (a small hole that looks like a missile hit it)

    No bodies, no blood, no airplane parts, no seats, no engines, nothing.

    Zilch-Zip-Nadda.

    Maybe the Ewoks showed up and stole all that stuff before emergency vehicles arrived.

    Another funny note: The hole that was blown in the side of the Pentagon had no wing silhouettes, and the beams are showing they were blown ‘outward’ towards the front lawn.

    First time I ever seen something going in, but looking like it was coming out instead.

    Maybe the people who survived the plane crash, jumped out of the burning aircraft and all stampeded back out of the hole they came in, which caused a blow back effect. I can see that happening with 200 people trying to get through a small hole in the wall at the same time.

  15. JJ,

    yes, my husband has talked with several of the Cardiologists here in our town. Many have limited the number of patients they”l see and others have quit seeing Medicare patients all together. Sad fact. And you’re right, it’ll get worse.

  16. So, what’s this about Beck and O’Really and California? Is it just a visit or they’re relocating? I don’t listen to them any longer so I’m not aware.

  17. #

    don in california // February 16, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Why are bill o, beck, etc suddenly going to california and out of NY??

    Don, didn’t you hear? Surfs up at Mavericks

  18. Don in California: It has taken time each day to find states that list legislators’ emails – or that do not make them impossible to send emails to them one at a time.

    Regarding California – they will be further down on my list. I don’t expect any positive responses from them. I will try.

    The responses I have received shows that it is important to get majorities in the state legislatures so that they can enforce the Constitution.

    Take care, Zach

  19. don in california

    SueK // February 16, 2010 at 9:39 pm
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    I did ok, just tired. Won’t get the results for a few days.

    Thanks for asking.

    I just don’t understand why they need to go to California to do they tv programs when interviews can be done from NY.

  20. don in california // February 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Zack, IF you should happen to hear back from ANY California legislators, I would be interested in knowing about it. I can’t get them to even respond with form letters anymore.
    ********************************
    Don, how strange, I just commented about that also…my emails are not getting any response and I don’t think it’s lack of postage or paper.
    (well, could be)

  21. don in california // February 16, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    OK, Don, at least it’s over with. Get a good rest tonight!

    Something’s up in NY, and I’m a little too close for comfort.

  22. Sue K,

    can you fill us in? I don’t know what’s up with Beck/O’Reilly. Why are they going to Cali?

  23. don in california

    zachjonesishome // February 16, 2010 at 9:43 pm
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    Zack, thanks for all that you do for the rest of us. I know pelosi and boxer have their e-mail setup through their gov. webpages. Makes it difficult to e-mail them with others at the same time.

  24. “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.” St. Thomas -one of the 12 Apostles-this I take on faith.
    Unless I see Obama’s legitimate records-all of them I will not believe a word he says, since he is not the Messiah-if he really believes that he’s even crazier than I originally thought-this I do not take on faith-I do not trust because this has never been verified.

  25. don in california

    beck has been in California all week. bill o said tonight that he would be broadcasting from calif, next week I think. I have quit watching, but the wife still does, so I overhear a few things.

  26. justme and south, I watched as much of Glenn Beck as I could, but I can tell you that their talking about how Social Security was never meant to cover people when FDR put it in. They said life expendency was 58men and 60 women so no one would ever need the money. So Beck and his little partner are saying they need to go back over the rolls and see who really needs it and if they don’t cut it and actually they want to cut the whole thing.

    I could only watch 3 segments before I was so pist I couldn’t stand it. They have always wanted to get rid of Social security especially now since the baby boomers are coming of age. Lets see we had crappy Vietnam for the globalists to get rich on and now they don’t want to pay social security to us.

  27. So the death panels are real. The only thing is that the republicans don’t want them, they do, they just don’t want you to know about it.

  28. JJ,

    there are also a lot of new mandates given to the hospitals due to the new Medicare rules and cuts. The government is already exercising control over your medical protocol. It’s not just about not seeing patients because of the dismal reimbursement rate, it’s more involved and complicated than the public even knows.

    Medicare, for the medical profession, carries the same stigma and threat to them as the IRS does for the American taxpayer. They are another evil arm of the government.

    The reimbursement rates to physicians and hospitals have continually been reduced NOT increased for years. Meanwhile the bulk of the population are reaching retirement age. If you factor in the rate of inflation the reimbursement rates are far, far below what would be normal.

  29. I have sent multiple emails and letters to my Repub congressman in CA (Bilbray-50) with no response. Set up a meeting with his local district director, met with her for over 1 hour, she promised a written response to a reasonable request for his position on eligibility and for him to sign on to HR 1503. Again no response.

  30. TO:

    Michelle // February 16, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.” St. Thomas -one of the 12 Apostles-this I take on faith.
    Unless I see Obama’s legitimate records-all of them I will not believe a word he says, since he is not the Messiah-if he really believes that he’s even crazier than I originally thought-this I do not take on faith-I do not trust because this has never been verified.
    \\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////

    But even Jesus, The Real Messiah, when questioned whether it was he or not PROVIDED PROOF EXPEDITIOUSLY.

  31. connie, the “death panels” were in the stimulus bill:
    H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The Council is the brain child of former Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle. Before the Porkulus Bill passed, Betsy McCaughey, former Lieutenant governor of New York, wrote in detail about the Council’s purpose.

    Daschle’s stated purpose (and therefore President Obama’s purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept ‘hopeless diagnoses.’

    http://exposingliberallies.blogspot.com/2009/08/death-panels-in-stimulus-bill.html

  32. JustMe,

    You asked earlier today about Saudi’s reaction to Iran. One article stated that their idea of immediate sanction to Iran included restriction of the West Bank settlement.

    But that’s a tired diplomatic manoeuvre. So what’s really going on?

    China is being blackmailed into joining the U.S., the EU and Saudi Arabia into tightening sanctions against Iran.

    Iran as we all know is a strategic country, both for its oil and its geographic location. So why have China on side?

    As I have said repeatedly China is resolute, patient and highly strategic.

    While Europe and the U.S. have faced insurmountable financial troubles, China is expanding its base, financially, militarily and geopolitically.

    On that basis China will decide when and where it will engage with its partners and its enemies. It will not be strongarmed by the U.S., Saudi, Russia, the EU or anyone else. To blackmail them is laughable. We don’t even know how much gold they have, nor how much they can produce and that’s just a small start. Obama bombed that visit. His presidency has been backpedalling ever since.

    So Saudi, or anybody else can say whatever they want. If there is to be a Mideast crisis, China will not engage. As always they are very clever.

  33. ANOTHER one of The INSURGENCY PRESIDENCY’S terrorists appointments.

  34. Connie,

    So, where IS all that Social Security money? It was supposed to be placed in a trust fund.

    Every working human being paid their share AND their employer matched. When it came time to draw THEIR OWN money they were only allowed to receive a very small percentage of it.

    Think about the folks that have passed on and never used their funds. Where’s that money – theirs and the matched funds. Or the spouse of someone that has passed on and if both worked and paid into the system, they are only entitled to a small percentage of the one with the larger contribution.

    This was just another ponzi scheme.

    Now Beck and O’Reilly are shaming us for even thinking we deserved access to these funds? If it isn’t obvious by now they are the mouthpiece of the government then…ooooo I’m peeved, too! They have money for all these friggin wars, but NOTHING for the American people funding these wars.

    I just read that Greece raised their retirement age to 70 because they are so indebted to the elite bankers. Hell, they’ll be dead by then.

  35. Anybody have a chance to listen to Tarpley on Alex Jones today?

    I’d be interested in hearing his take on the false flag to be staged.

  36. don in california

    JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Connie,

    So, where IS all that Social Security money? It was supposed to be placed in a trust fund.
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    A Dem congress unlocked the SS lock box and started to replace the money with IOU’s, which they never redeemed.

  37. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g8z_EpbW3zzPAyxGqajwav9J6F0A

    JustMe, this article I just looked at makes me laugh “China is a mystery”. Of course it is, they never reveal their hand. That’s how they win.

    If the financial elites, aka the UN, need China to push their governance forward, they’ll be waiting a long time. China’s “mystery” means they are losing the battle.

  38. don in california, Its not just the dems that opened the lock box, both partys have done so. It just so happens the last two Presidents decided the only way to get rid of Social Security was to run the country off the cliff. They’ve done it.

    BTW, I am a healthcare worker and have been for 23 years, I can tell you the Doctors hate social security because they don’t want to pay it either, they are just as much to blame for its current condition as the politicians. Doctors have been at the feeding trough of insurance and social security scams for years.

  39. Venice,

    thank you. Yes, the Chinese are very clever. We are…well, not so much…Remember when Geithner made his journey to China and the students at the university laughed at him? I heard recently that the Chinese teach their students well about these things and of course, use us as the example. A former super power, a force to be reckoned with, now reduced to this.

    What I’m wondering is if Hillary’s visit to Saudi was more for “show.” In other words, the plans are already mapped out to hit Iran. They’ve been itching to do it for sometime now. Hillary, knowing the Chinese would decline her request – which they did – was “pretending” to use Saudi to help in her cause. All the while knowing the Chinese would never go back on their word. It’s a moral code they have in their cultural. So, the Saudi’s issued a predictable statement (link you provided earlier today) and well…Hillary then can say, we have no option but…

    Something about the Saudi’s reaction seemed somewhat contrived. I guess that’s why I questioned if her visit there was more of a formality or for show…to be able to say she did it.

    Guess we’ll know soon enough.

  40. I just went to movies and saw percy jacksons movie about the greek gods. When a comment weas made that the gods come down and mate and with us humans then leave, so the kids are called demigods. half. One of the characters made a point to say they even go all the way up to the white house. I almost threw up. Listen carefully to these liberal dilect going on

  41. don in california

    connie // February 16, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    don in california, Its not just the dems that opened the lock box, both partys have done so. It just so happens the last two Presidents decided the only way to get rid of Social Security was to run the country off the cliff. They’ve done it.
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    My point was a dem controlled congress, and a dem president. Of course, the repugs joined in.

  42. Congressman Deal’s Letter to Barack Obama

    Rep. Nathan Deal discusses the letter he sent to Barack Obama in Dec. 2009 requesting Obama let him know where his constituents can go to get verifiable proof of his eligibility for office of the President of the United States of America.

    Either we have a Constitution or we don’t.

    Call your Congressman and Senator and ask them to do the same.

    Get engaged in the effort to demand full disclosure. No one is above the law.

  43. JustMe,

    I agree. The Saudi’s reaction was almost banal. In an article I read today stated that Iran (through their own intelligence) expects Israel to strike either this spring or summer, and of course this was denied by Israel.

    The key player to watch here is Russia, who has to’ed and fro’ed with their position regarding Iran.

    China may very well surprise us (isn’t that what they do). Here’s an article dated 2004 that speaks to the relation between China and Iran and I doubt much has changed since.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55414-2004Nov16.html

  44. don in california

    According to “Real Clear Politics”:

    Congressional Job Approval
    RCP Average
    Approve20.4
    Disapprove73.4
    Spread -53.0

  45. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Hi JustMe,

    Nothing concrete on NY but they have a huge bullseye right over the City-they represent everything the terror groups hate.

    I think that the next attack will be soft targets (malls, sporting events, anywhere people congregate-watching the security at the Olympics now, but that might be too obvious).

    With sh*t-for-brains in the White House, I feel as though we’re sitting ducks; I never felt that way with Dubya.

    Regarding Social Security: I worked in the private sector all my life, and paid in for many years. Now that I work in the public sector, I will get a pension when I retire. Now, many companies have matching 401K funds for their employees however, I do not. Every dime that goes into that pension fund is MY money.

    To add insult to injury when I retire, I *may* get 20% of what I paid into SS all these years. They say it’s because I’m drawing a pension but hell, I paid into the system, and can’t get a return on my investment when I retire?

    How fair is this and where does MY money go if I can’t get it back?

  46. Connie,

    Doctors have been at the feeding trough of insurance and social security scams for years.

    /////

    You will find corruption in any business or profession, that’s true, and physicians certainly aren’t exempt. But when I hear this and other comments about all of these kick backs and perks they receive I have to scratch my head and wonder what I’m missing. I’m married to a physician and I’ve never seen any kind of perk like they’re accused of receiving. No swimming pool, no trip to the Carribbean, no new car…nothing. Maybe an ink pen, a coffee mug – actually LOTS of coffee mugs – and a paper weight with big pharma logos on them. That’s about it. I managed his clinic and also was responsible for the billing. I can tell you the way the system is set up there’s no way to feed at the trough as you say. We had to write off a lot of stuff at the end of the year because of the crazy system.

    I’m interested to know how this “feeding” was possible. Really, I am. Because I always hear this, but I’ve never witnessed it. Was this sometime ago, or do you still see this happening?

  47. don in california

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/

    Hayworth: Obama birth certificate an ‘identity theft’ issue – Thanks oilforimmigration.org

    February 16th, 2010
    AZCENTRAL Published

    Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth, who on Monday officially entered Arizona’s Republican race against Sen. John McCain, defended his recent call for President Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate, suggesting his questions stem not from conspiracy theories that Obama was really born in Kenya but from concerns about identity theft.

    During a Monday evening interview on CNN (watch it here), Hayworth pointed to the case of fugitive Vietnam War protester Howard Mechanic, who in 2000 sought a seat on the Scottsdale City Council using the alias “Gary Tredway.” After he was exposed, Mechanic eventually received a pardon from President Bill Clinton.
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    Someone else asking questions.

  48. Hitler is disappointed in Glenn Beck’s failure to sabotage Debra Medina (video)

    (sorry, put this in the wrong thread earlier)

  49. Sue K,

    that’s what I want to know…WHERE’S ALL THAT MONEY.

    If, as Beck and O’Really are contending, that when SS was set up it was never meant to…blah, blah, blah…then it was a damn ponzi scheme from the start!!!! A theft of taxpayer dollars. And they are promoting the idea that theft of our money was okay. That we don’t have any reason to be angry. I really believe they’ve been given the task to quell the public’s rising up. I don’t know how they sleep at night.

    I also hear they will go after 401k/IRA’s next. They may just nab them right out from under you. And, to boot, I think it was Peter who posted earlier about some Windfall Profit Tax she is proposing on these plans. The tax that really p•sses me off is the death tax/inheritance tax. That was money that was already taxed and they’re taxing it again. Tell me how that’s legal???

  50. When is the msm reporter gonna tell the truth. just one to open the can of worms

  51. I like jd’s approach saying it could be a indentity case. Bascially making the public aware that the president could be a victim of i d theft, but in reality its the pres with the theft problem, smart way for jd hayworth to cover his butt

  52. Think for yourselves folks and believe the witnesses…..they are the ones who really know!!
    A teacher from my school district was on that plane that crashed into the Pentagon…..she was able to contact her family before she died….Sad but true….not a conspiracy!!! Listen to the witnesses….not the figment of someone else’s imagination!

    Home Videos Channels Shows
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    Pentagon Plane Crash pt 1

    Pentagon Plane Crash pt 2

    Pentagon Plane Crash pt 3

    Pentagon Plane Crash pt 4

    Pentagon Plane Crash pt 5

    Now please…..after studying these videos and listening to the witnesses who lived through it……how can people still believe a plane didn’t go into the Pentagon……think for yourselves people…..don’t follow Alex Jones off a cliff!

  53. Whatever happened to no DOUBLE TAXATION? Did it become quintapled Taxation?
    We are taxed and taxed at every turn.

  54. TO:
    SueK // February 16, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Hi JustMe,

    […]
    Every dime that goes into that pension fund is MY money.

    To add insult to injury when I retire, I *may* get 20% of what I paid into SS all these years. They say it’s because I’m drawing a pension but hell, I paid into the system, and can’t get a return on my investment when I retire?

    How fair is this and where does MY money go if I can’t get it back?
    \\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////////////

    One of teh very Few things Bush was right about allowing people who wanted to to start their own private retirement account and of course The Party of Failure and their Media Accomplices jumped all over it and then the dumb ass doesn’t know how to defend himself.
    Individual Retiremnet accounts are the Fair thing to do it is OUR MONEY and we can pass it onto WHOEVER WE WANT, untaxed because it was already taxed BEFORE.

  55. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Sue K,

    that’s what I want to know…WHERE’S ALL THAT MONEY.

    If, as Beck and O’Really are contending, that when SS was set up it was never meant to…blah, blah, blah…then it was a damn ponzi scheme from the start!!!! A theft of taxpayer dollars. And they are promoting the idea that theft of our money was okay. That we don’t have any reason to be angry. I really believe they’ve been given the task to quell the public’s rising up. I don’t know how they sleep at night.

    I also hear they will go after 401k/IRA’s next. They may just nab them right out from under you. And, to boot, I think it was Peter who posted earlier about some Windfall Profit Tax she is proposing on these plans. The tax that really p•sses me off is the death tax/inheritance tax. That was money that was already taxed and they’re taxing it again. Tell me how that’s legal???
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    That’s what I wanna know, JustMe-where’s the bloody money? I know I won’t get back what I put in, and I’m probably one of millions in the same boat.

    Sorry, but this has Ponzi written all over it. Yes, apparently stealing our money is OK; since when did you have a *choice* whether or not to contribute to FICA-it’s like a vampire sucking the life out of its victim-and now, you can’t get it back?

    I’m sorry, but if they go after people’s private retirement funds, you’ll see an all-out war. They need to be stopped and stopped now!

    I’m subject to that ‘Windfall Profits Tax’ due to the pension. Looks like the gub’mint wants to keep you on 400 bucks/month until you die!

    I can’t count how many times a tax is levied, then the item is taxed again; in MA, liquor is a good example. No wonder the Colonists dumped that damned tea into Boston Harbor. Maybe it’s time we do something like that again but this time, it’ll be Senators and Reps who go into the drink.

  56. don in california

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2010/02/16/republican_wins_special_nh_legislative_election/?rss_id=Boston.com+–+Latest+news

    Home /News /Local /N.H.
    Republican wins special NH legislative election
    February 16, 2010
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    E-mail|Print|Yahoo! Buzz|Text size – + MANCHESTER, N.H.—Voters in a New Hampshire district have chosen a new state Senator.

    Unofficial returns from all communities in District 16 show Republican state Rep. David Boutin defeating Democratic state Rep. Jeff Goley.

    New Hampshire Republican State Committee Chairman John H. Sununu has issued a statement congratulating Boutin.
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    Another Dem bites the dust!

  57. Beck seemed to back off of the birther’s,and truther’s tonight anybody else watch him today,he didnt really,blame us but said we should stay foccoused on defeating the aganda.he wasnt really bad,the emails must be getting to him.

  58. don in california

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=125351

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    BORN IN THE USA?

    Oops! Obama tells another nativity fib?
    Records indicate father not part of Kenyan airlift, as prez said

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    Posted: February 16, 2010
    11:00 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2010 WorldNetDaily

    Official documents catch Barack Obama in another apparent misrepresentation of his life story, this time challenging a claim made during his campaign that his father was part of a JFK-era airlift to bring Kenyan students to the U.S. to study in American universities.

    WND research indicates Barack Obama Sr. was not brought to Hawaii in 1959 by any airlift of Kenyan students organized by baseball great Jackie Robinson, John F. Kennedy or the African-American Students Foundation, the AASF.

    Nor was Barack Obama Sr. on any of the three subsequently chartered airplanes in what became known as the “second airlift” organized by Kenyan Luo politician Tom Mboya in 1960 after the Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. Foundation contributed $100,000 to AASF.

    Moreover, after a thorough search of the Jackie Robinson papers at the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress, WND can find no mention of Barack Obama Sr. in the files on deposit, either as an applicant or candidate for an airlift from Kenya to study in the U.S.
    ///////////////////////////
    So, obama is STILL lying!! No surprise!

  59. Everyone that is talking about how much they tax us…when we get our social security cards we become liable for our country’s debt. We are indentured servants. Obama just raised the PUBLIC debt ceiling – so that we are now responsible for trillons more. Born into bondage was not how our founding fathers envisioned us. They started this in 1936, wasn’t that shortly after they took everyone’s gold?

  60. Could those airplanes and many other have been shot down by satellite?

  61. JS,

    I think it’s pretty obvious from todays discussions that people ARE thinking for themselves.

    And all anyone is asking for is another INDEPENDENT investigation.

  62. Kim,

    yep

  63. JustMe, example, My daughter is an ultrasound tech at a small rural hospital that does alot of OB for medicaid. According to medicaid there are certain rules for having extra ultrasounds. The Doc told my daughter straight up there are ways to get around medicaid to get extra stuff. In otherwards inflating the medical record for the pt. to get an extra ultrasound when the pt. just had one 3 days ago and it was normal then and it was normal now. This is just one example, but there are many. There is much fraud and waste in medicaid, medicare and esp. insurance. I once did some prn work for a DR. that worked hand in hand with his brother a lawyer to get extra money for people who had wrecks. I have never done some many c-spine xrays in my life as I did when I worked there for a couple of days. I know there are many, many honest Dr.s , nurses, allied health professionals, but there are some bad too. Its not a slap on the profession as a whole, but there is enough fraud out there if taken out of the equation the price of a policy would go down.

  64. Well then I guess we could tell the govt. then if they decide to get rid of Social security, they need to give us the money back each of us paid in with interest, thats what the bankers would ask for.

  65. social security: sounds Orwellian
    Does anyone feel secure?

  66. Concentrate on defeating o.’s agenda???

    o. doesn’t meet eligibility requirements. o. is out of office. No more o. agenda. Agenda completely defeated.

    Simple. Not hard at all.

    Why can’t GB and other media mouths get that simple fact?

    THEY are the ones with the hidden agenda. They are the ones prolonging o.’s agenda.

  67. South…….this might help you to see the truth about flight 93…..at least 3 people saw the plane head toward the ground and heard the explosion….one guy even said it was upside down at a 90 degree angle…..if the passengers were fighting with the terrorists then that could be the reason the plane was flying upside down…and why Todd Beamer’s last words to his family were…..Let’s Roll!!

    9/11 Debunked: 95% of United 93 found

    9/11 Debunked: United 93 not Shot Down

  68. I just love news like this.

    Texas on the Potomac
    Washington news with a Texas accent

    February 13, 2010
    Poll: Obama’s ratings tank in Texas

    President Obama’s approval ratings continue to slip nationally. But in Texas — at least among independent swing voters — he’s fallen off the cliff.

    A new poll of Lone Star State voters found that just one in three Texans — and only 19 percent of independents — are satisfied with what is happening at the White House. That’s way below the 46 percent approval rating Obama receives nationally among independents, according to the latest Gallup poll.

    “Democrats are having trouble everywhere right now, but the numbers in Texas are particularly eye-popping,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “It’s the first place we’ve polled where the President’s approval with independents is under 20 percent.”

    “The survey of 1,200 Texas voters conducted by Public Policy Polling found that 33 percent of both men and women approve of the president.”

    more . .
    +++++++++++++++++
    As your name, O God, so your praise reaches to the ends of the earth. Your right hand is filled with victory. from Psalms 48

  69. Connie,

    oh my…

    Perhaps it’s easier, too, in some specialities than others. I don’t know. All I know is I had a heck of a time and couldn’t get them to pay for a lot of things.

    The one thing I didn’t understand was why the government didn’t have a universal data base of patients. This is one thing my husband said that actually made it easy for fraud. People could go to docs in other states and then bill Medicare without it being tracked in a seemless fashion. He mentioned some of the investigations of this fraud was actually tracked back to mafia.

    In other words, the government’s lack of oversight made it easy to “feed at the trough.” Wow, that’s a big surprise. Have you seen the figures that outfits like Blackwater are charging the government to fight their wars? I heard a military man call in to a talk show reporting the price of his meal in the cafeteria. It was something like $12.00. And if you went back for seconds they didn’t give you any financial break. All of this is outsourced now, so they’re charging the government and ultimately the taxpayer a pretty penny. This guy said he didn’t earn enough to pay that kind of money for a meal.

    I remember someone on television saying we need to put American Express in charge of healthcare. He said try using your card if your’re over your limit or your payment is a day late. You can’t. I had to laugh.

    Thanks for your response, Connie. Keep up the good work.

    Have to call it a night.

  70. Today Rush was speaking out against 3rd parties, then tonight Hannity was talking about his new book and also advising against 3rd parties. Both dems and repubs fear the tea party movement. Very telling.

  71. Sorry if anyone has already said this, but with Blago (what we in IL call him), he keeps saying that he wants ALL the tapes played. He doesn’t say things, he must have something on Obama and trying to hint that Obama will get nailed for corruption if all the tapes are played. I’m sure he is looking for a pardon. He is such a sleaze bag!!!

    He has done so many things to screw up our state and it was a matter of time before he got booted out.

  72. #

    JustMe // February 17, 2010 at 12:07 am

    JS,

    I think it’s pretty obvious from todays discussions that people ARE thinking for themselves.

    And all anyone is asking for is another INDEPENDENT investigation.
    ******************************************

    JM….Just reiterating what you and South keep telling everyone about thinking for themselves and presenting the facts and not the myths!

  73. Top of the Ticket
    Politics and commentary, coast to coast, from the Los Angeles Times

    About that 2012 election, a majority of Americans now say NObama second term
    February 16, 2010 | 3:56 pm

    It’s buried way down in the 11th paragraph. But a new CNN / Opinion Research Poll just out finds that only 392 days into his first term, a minority of Americans now favor a second term for Barack Obama.

    Just 44%.

    In fact, a majority of 52% already say the Democrat does not deserve a second term.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/02/obama-polls-2012-tank.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+topoftheticket+%28Top+of+the+Ticket%29

  74. just me,

    we must always remember that where ever theres money theres a thief to steal it. That goes double for the govt. and our taxes.

  75. I think we are scaring the heck out of Washington and the globalists. LOL!! We are waking up to their games.

  76. Jacqlyn Smith………………………………..
    From all the bullsh## that has been put out on CW blog today alone tells me that the blog has been infiltrated by OBOTS.These people are hell bent on driving everyone else out of the blog which they think will destroy it. I and many others aren’t like OBOTS. These MORONS who spin their nitwit stories about 9-11 think that all others are at their own level of intelligence. They cannot even add 2+2 without getting 5 for an answer. I am not one of these morons. I have put 78 years on earth and have done a lot of things. Among them is the attendance and graduation from grade school,high school, and Business College. So having done this the instructors,and the dean saw fit to graduate me. So I guess that I have the intelligence to distinguish UP from DOWN,and right from LEFT. these morons would have everybody believe their absurd lies. They think that if they can anger us enough we all will leave CW blog. These are people who have sold out the interests of others on the blog, and will probably continue their SLIMEY LITTLE VENDETTA. In reality it is designed to drive people away from this blog. All day today they have been trying to spin their BALONEY relating to 9-11. If you are willing to listen to their stupidity you would believe that George Bush actually flew the plane into the Pentagon. This is the sort of really sick crap that they think everybody will believe. By the way, I personally watched the second plane fly into the Trade tower. It was televised nationally. Obviously these morons don’t know that.

  77. don in california

    oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 1:06 am
    ///////////////
    I just pass over the posts that I don’t have any interest in and do not respond to them.

    I believe that if they are ignored, they lose their steam and go away.

  78. Oldsalt, Do you know of any place else that discusses the eligibility issue? If you leave or find one, I’d sure like to know and I’ll check it out also. I’m ready to bail.

  79. don in california

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/barbara-boxer/2010/02/16/poll-boxer-ropes

    So, is California’s brittle Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer about to become the next Harry Reid? Which is to say, embattled at home.

    As Reid worked the wallets of San Francisco on Presidents’ Day to raise money for his endangered seat in Nevada, some stunning new Rasmussen Reports poll out today makes a compelling point:

    For the second straight month the three-term senator is unable to break the 50% mark against any potential Republican opponents, the historical measuring mark of vulnerability for an incumbent nine months before an election.

    For a Democrat in a Democrat state that gave Barack Obama 61% of its votes in 2008 (and still likes him more than many other places) to be mired in the mid-40’s is a sign of real trouble.
    /////////////////////////
    Good reading. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person, other than pelosi.

  80. don in california

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/joe-biden/2010/02/16/brown-not-taking-bidens-guff

    Brown Not Taking Biden’s Guff
    Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown took a swipe at Vice President Joe Biden today — saying that President Obama’s No. 2 was “off base” when he said the Republican get his facts straight when it comes to military tribunals and whether he is aware that terrorists have the right to a lawyer.

    “It was insulting,” Brown, a critic of Obama during his recent Senate campaign, told Politico.com.

    The comments came a day after Biden blasted Brown during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation” when he said he didn’t “know whether the new senator from Massachusetts understands: When you get tried in a military tribunal, you get a lawyer, too.”

    “He’s trying to give me a lesson on military law, and I didn’t think it was appropriate,” said Brown. “And I thought he was off base when it comes to explaining to the American people that somehow I need a lesson on whether people get attorneys — of course they get attorneys. There’s a difference as to what type of attorney they’re going to get and when they’re going to get that attorney, and how are they treated, and what rights do they in fact get.”

    The newly elected lawmaker, who served in the Massachusetts Army National Guard for 30 years, added, “I know the military rules and regulations and procedures from A to Z.”
    ////////////////////////////////////
    Go Brown!!! And I don’t mean UPS.

  81. Connie…………………………..
    You need to realise that Beck was probably making a point. From the time that Social Security was started in 1936 the retirement age to collect it has been 65. It was finally moved upward to 67, 68, 69, and 70 on a graduated scale using your birthday as the figuring point about 5 years ago to compensate for a longer life span of people today.In addition it seems that Beck is trying to say that ALL people who paid in DIED AT EITHER 58 years of age for males, and 60 years of age for females. I have a little news for that meat head. My father lived to 81 not 58, nor did my mother die at 60. She died at 91 years of age. Both my father and mother collected Social Security until their respective deaths. They both paid in to it as well. Beck would have to be completely insane if he thinks ALL males have died at 58 years of age since Social Security began.
    This only cnfirms his jackass status.How damn moronic can these obots get. I am betting that he is getting a lot of feedback on that one. It is PROVEN fact that MOST people take out one hell of a lot more money than they ever paid in. That is one of the primary problems. The Fund USED to be a giant ANNUITY, AND WAS CONCIEVED AS SUCH. In the 60s the Congress allowed the Social Security to be moved into the GENERAL FUND. This allowed it to be RAPED AT WILL by all members of our government,for literally anything they decided to blow it on. A lot went for PORK. Had this not occurred it is probable that it would not be in as serious trouble as it is now. Most of the problems that it now has is resultant of NO OVERSIGHT. Sort of like Barney Frank and the Freddie mac,and Fannie May, debacle.

  82. As far as I know Biden has NEVER been in ANY branch of the MILITARY SERVICES. Pray tell, where does he get his expertise in UCMJ? Once again it is a product of his WARPED MIND, and DIAHARREA mouth.

  83. oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Jacqlyn Smith………………………………..
    From all the bullsh## that has been put out on CW blog today alone tells me that the blog has been infiltrated by OBOTS.These people are hell bent on driving everyone else out of the blog which they think will destroy it. I and many others aren’t like OBOTS. These MORONS who spin their nitwit stories about 9-11 think that all others are at their own level of intelligence. They cannot even add 2+2 without getting 5 for an answer.

    *******************************************

    OldSalt78……Did you see what Greg posted??? Yes some days it gets to be a little much here….well okay….a lot much……mainly for me it is the personal attacks that I don’t care for…..many times some here insinuate because we don’t agree with their nonsense we are not as intelligent as they are…..Like you…..I’ll put my education and life experiences up to them any day of the week!

    As long as we just stick with the facts and the witnesses from the planes and the people on the ground and of course like you said…..we saw it over and over again on TV….in fact my husband worked for US Airways at that time and they grounded all of their planes as soon as everyone learned that two planes had been flown into the WTC….like the Kennedy assassination this debate will go on for years…..I do agree with you…..much of this truther movement stems from the hatred many LIEberals hold for the former President Bush…..known as Bush Derangement Syndrome!!!

    Questioning is okay….it’s just that some of it is way too far out there for me!

  84. don in california // February 17, 2010 at 1:31 am

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/joe-biden/2010/02/16/brown-not-taking-bidens-guff

    Brown Not Taking Biden’s Guff

    *****************************************

    Good stuff Don….thanks for posting it….Love that Mr. Brown!!! 🙂

  85. !?!!-

    God Bless Texas!!!!

  86. #

    oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 2:04 am

    As far as I know Biden has NEVER been in ANY branch of the MILITARY SERVICES. Pray tell, where does he get his expertise in UCMJ? Once again it is a product of his WARPED MIND, and DIAHARREA mouth.

    ******************************************

    Old Salt…..You and Brown would make a heck of a team to gang up on Joe ” the gaffe a minute” Biden!! 🙂

  87. Suek…………………………………..
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news,but you will be taxed on any money that you draw from your k 401 account,as well. It should not effect yopur SS earnings. It is only when you work part time somewhere that you could see a substantial loss of SS money,if you earn TOO much. Thje last I knew the amount that you could earn above and beyond your SS was around $8000.00 before it would effect your SS income. I have a traditional IRA that I draw from in addition to my SS. I pay the Federal,and State taxes on each draw. The tax is witheld by my IRA custodians.

  88. don in california

    Jacqlyn Smith // February 17, 2010 at 2:17 am
    ////////////////////
    As dumb as I am, I could out debate biden. If he ever knew what he was talking about, he forgot it long ago.

  89. don in california

    oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 2:19 am
    //////////////////////
    That $250 “make work pay” check that some of us received, is also counted as income and is taxed.

  90. I am protesting on April 15th….this will be the first time I don’t file taxes…..guess what??? I don’t care either…..can’t get blood out of a turnip!!

  91. don in california

    Going to bed. Have a good night, my friends.

    May God Bless you all.

  92. Thanks Don….you too…..I’ll be heading that way soon myself!

  93. Ticktock………………………………………..

    I haven’t yet done any shopping around. There are a few blogs one of which is Americas right.com, and Worldnet daily. These are two that I still visit from time to time. Bob Farrah gets a lot of criticism from the usurper’s GOON squad. That makes me think that he is touching nerves.
    Both John Feeny,and John Charleton are excellent writers. John Feeny was associated with America’s Right, and Charlton has his own blog. There is also Free Republic, and Judicial Watch. I should also mention the United States Juctice Foundation. The latter has been looked upon unfavorably in the past, but I have heard that they cleaned up their act. Many commenters on some blogs use a little more than mild language. It is often offensive. So beware! Sadly the CW blog has been everything that anyone could want,until recently. It is obvious that it has been infiltrated.

  94. Donincalifornia…………………………..
    Hope your tests turned out OK. It almost seems like the “GOLDEN YEARS” doesn’t refer to a peaceful retirement…….rather it seems to be a time when your DOCTOR ends up retiring with ALL OF YOUR GOLD.

  95. Oldsalt, Those sound like some great recommendations and I plan on checking them out! Thanks.

  96. Texas Patriot // February 17, 2010 at 2:15 am

    Amen and Amen! Texas says NO to o.

  97. I would like this place to continue being a place where you can ask questions, discuss points of view WITHOUT being ridiculed or censored.

    Either we don’t trust our gov’t or we do. I think most of us don’t. If you don’t them in most things why would you trust them on other things without questioning it, or at least allowing others to question it?

    I have an open mind and I at least analyze what others present here some I agree with some I don’t and some I am undecided on and just discussing it further to try and get to the truth.

    I think that is all we are after here and I am glad that it is that way and hope it stays that way. If these is a post I don’t want to read or doesn’t interest me I move my mouse down to the next.

    It is like going to a store they carry many brands of the same product because there are different tastes. Same thing here.

    TRUTH is TRUTH and if we are all honestly and openly seeking it than nobody should be ridiculed for it.

    Just think if we have infiltrators here, there could be infiltrators at HIGH PLACES that are opportunistic and know how to use a crisis to push their agenda or fill their pockets or both.

    Even if all about 9/11 is exactly as the gov’t said it was questioning it keeps them honest and knowing that we are WATCHING THEM. This helps to keep them attentive and cautious because we are vigilant.

    QUESTION AUTHORITY TO PROMOTE HONESTY.

  98. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS slogan not allowed by Olympics, more reason not to watch the Olympics which I haven’t done since they started allwoing professionals.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/olympics/2010/02/16/support-our-troops-slogan-falls-foul-of-olympic-rules/

  99. BOMBSHELL Investigation into Black Caucus Corruption by the NYTimes. Must be pretty bad if the LIEberal media is writing about it. It probably is so huge they ran out of manure to hide it under.

    NYT: The Corruption of the Congressional Black Caucus
    By: Mark Hemingway
    Commentary Staff Writer
    02/14/10 4:19 PM EST

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/NYT-The-Corruption-of-the-Congressional-Black-Caucus-84348862.html#ixzz0fmtVaTZC

  100. Add us to the anti-government healthscare list:

    KENTUCKY HEALTHCARE FREEDOM ACT!!!

    HB 307 to
    –prohibit the General Assembly from requiring any individual to participate in any health care system or plan, or to impose a penalty or fine regarding participation
    — permit an individual or an employer to pay directly for health care services and a health care provider to accept direct payment without penalties or fines
    –direct the Attorney General to undertake and initiate all necessary legal proceedings to protect and defend Kentuckians’ rights as set forth in this Act
    –prohibit the Governor, the Personnel Cabinet, and state agencies from participating in or complying with any FEDERAL LAW, REGULATION, OR POLICY that would compromise the freedom of choice in the health care decisions of any resident of Kentucky.

  101. >>>>Connie,
    Doctors have been at the feeding trough of insurance and social security scams for years<<

    Connie,
    I'm very sorry you don't really know the story. Truly, I am a physician, a surgeon, and the story of my work would make you embarresed by what you just typed. To pay my business overhead to practice, I must work about 80 hours a week. That is 80 hours of work before I can even start taking home a paycheck…..do you work 80 hours before you take home anything to your family? I enjoy what I do, and I make a difference for so many, but I would NEVER recommend my children be physicians.
    Reinbursement is laughable for what I do, my plumber gets paid more to fix a broken water pipe than I get to save someones life in the middle of the night…..and the plumber expects payment immediately.

    BTW, my wife works 60+ hours a week as a ER nurse, and we raise 3 children as well. The life isn't sexy, it's not glorious, but we are committed to quality and helping people. Training 16 years of your life on your own dime; 4 college, 4 medical school, 6 years general surgery residency, 2 years fellowship, mostly at unbelievable hours; to struggle to make a living documents how misguided our country has become.

    I was standing and covered in others peoples blood and guts through most of my youth. I missed just about everything for my children along the way. You really have no idea what it's really like for us, this I am certain.

  102. They have always wanted to get rid of Social security especially now since the baby boomers are coming of age.
    **************
    Not true; TPTB want to dispense with payments because TPTB have raided the Social Security Trust Fund for years and it is EMPTY’!!!

  103. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I know everyone thinks I’m looney-tune…but your message reenforces my theory that the Illuminati, Elitists, NWO, global govt entity, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, and all, don’t want mass death, for anyone can see the health hazards addressed with human bodies and animals to dispense with even with one city at a time; but, put something in the water, or H1N1, a vaccine, or aerosol spray by plane, like chemtrails, and sterilize the population and with no new babies, and the death of the elderly, the population is decreased dramatically just in two decades.

  104. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Too sci-fi???
    In 1951, the USA used something (a spray??) in Switzerland and made 500 in a village go crazy with about 5 suicides……..think it can’t happen??

    F. William Engdahl: French Government Queries USA re 1950’s Secret LSD Experiment –
    http://labvirus.wordpress.com/

  105. Pete, 7:52 am.

    Not only that Pete, but it’s not just 80 hours, it’s what you do in the 80 hours a week. This is what many don’t understand.

    Having people’s lives in your hands hour after hour, day after day, year after year. There is NO money that can compensate you and your kind for what you do. It’s just a token compensation.

    Thank you doesn’t even begin to express what many feel.

  106. JJ,

    From what I’ve seen there’s nothing about you that’s looney tune. Quite sharp I would say.

  107. The story on Social Security is sickening and makes one angry.

    There is about 6 trillion dolars in Social Security can anyone evnture what tupe of a return on investment that money gets?

    0-2% usually around 1%.

    If you had one 5,000 to invest you would be able to invest it at more than double or triple what they get with trillions. No wonder the account is depleting quickly.

  108. Healthcare simple solution.

    Allow doctors to practice like they used to directly with the patient just like dentists do.
    Allow minute clinics like Walmart, CVS, etc where people can walk in and get stuff taken care of my a nurse or doctor.
    Allow nurse practitioners to take care of most common issues for patients at savings.
    Allow doctors to provide membership savings plan for their patients like the doctor in New York state that charged about $79 month to take care of most things that didn’t need hospitalization.
    Allow hospitals to have private plans of their own as well as accept other insurance while allowing those taht can pay to pay directly at a significant savings.
    Have two or three tier insurance plans with different plans for different illness coverage Minor, major and catastrophic plans.
    Safety net for Legal hardships.
    Tort Reform.
    Only care for illegals if it is a lifethreatening issue otherwise no insurance, no money, NO EMERGENCY ROOM SERVICE.

  109. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Something I never understood………we always hear the economy needs a war to boost it……

    How can this be a boost when the Treasury Dept and every other U.S. dept is broke, bankrupt and war is not a credit, but a liability with its daily, staggering costs??

  110. oops, forgot a link to the article in above post…I can’t take credit for writing all of it.

    snipped from
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17624

  111. JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Sue K,

    that’s what I want to know…WHERE’S ALL THAT MONEY.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    It helped build those undeground facilities they’ll resort to when they spray us???

  112. Whatever happened to no DOUBLE TAXATION? Did it become quintapled Taxation?
    We are taxed and taxed at every turn.
    ****************

    Have you ever really figured your net after taxes??

    I worked cashier, minimum wage, and the feds weren’t taking out, so I stuck back 12%…with local, county, state and federal, I netted $5.40 an hour…now figure in other needs, esp. gas and the term “she works for groceries” isn’t too far-fetched, is it??

  113. oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 2:19 am

    Morning, OldSalt,

    I don’t have a 401k rather, a pension. I’m not sure about the tax situation with it because I’m a ways away from retirement.

    I do know that I’ll only get a portion of what I paid into SS all these years. It wouldn’t be a ‘double dip’ because that’s money I’ve paid for the last 40 years or so.

    I’m not sure I can even think about retiring in a few years, but my health may force it.

    Can’t win, can we?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I just skip over posts that are way off target and read what I wish to read. I feel that we have a helluva issue on our hands, and would like to concentrate on that.

    BTW, I think you must be thrilled that Bayh is ‘retiring?”

    Have a great day!

  114. connie // February 16, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    congratulations, connie, you’re cutting and pasting!!! Way to go!!

  115. ARREST THE PRESIDENT.
    ARREST THE PRESIDENT.
    HE HAS NO DOCUMENT.

    ARREST THE PRESIDENT.
    HE HAS NO DOCUMENT.

    Just replace Bush with Obama consider this one a practice run that can come in handy now that it is Really Nedeed.

  116. ticktock // February 17, 2010 at 1:26 am

    Do all of you here realize that you are treating me as the left treat you about your views on the NBC issue??
    That it’s preposterous, couldn’t happen with so many big, bad, abc agencies around and the credible MSM????
    They ask you where’s the NBC proof?? Oh, you have none, yet, but in your soul, you still fight for the issue because you know it’s right??

    Ahah!! Aren’t you being a little short-sighted and actually displaying hypocrisy??

  117. JustMe // February 17, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Let’s consider this about those with an outright aversion to the MORONS and INFILTRATORS on this site asking questions or seeking honest answers to the truth of 9/11, who continue to cling to the official story as reported to us by the media.

    *******************************************

    Those of us seeking the truth are not listening to the media or the government…..we are listening to the witnesses from the day…..our own experiences on that day and the experts who have examined the evidence and have debunked nearly all of the 9/11 truther movement nonsense being peddle by people like Alex Jones….a mere entertainer and actor!!! Sean Penn should play him in the movie!

  118. I believe Dick, George, and Rumsfeld were involved through 2 weeks of researching the 9/11 issue and you can’t change my mind…

    Just as you believe XXXX, XXX, XXX, and many others were involved in electing an ineligible, illegal alien to the POTUS.

    The turtle didn’t get on top of that fence post by itself!!!

    That doesn’t make you or me a bad person, does it, because I feel like I’m a great citizen.

  119. Good video on Obama’s mysterious life story,connections and documents problem:

  120. Jacqlyn Smith @ 9:34,

    Jacqlyn, i agree. In reference to Alex Jones, i had him on my favorites for a test drive. He lasted a couple of day’s and wound up in the trash bin.

    Webster Tarpley is there also ! Smoke coming off of him !

  121. Pete // February 17, 2010 at 7:52 am

    God bless you, Pete….and as all fields, there is good and bad..
    I was an educator for 6 years, so I speak from experience.
    Fortunately, I have a great doctor, no BS, asks me what I want, never a case of waste.

    Thanks again, and we pray for more like you.

  122. OK Finally something we can all agree on and unite to promote and make more readily available BECAUSE the schools are “censoring” it.

    The Declarationa and Constituion, The Supreme Law of the USA. They wre able to govern a country on 68 Pages and now we can’t get any law in less than 100’s of pages. Oh how I wish all bills were still written by hand with inkwells and fountain pens.

    I want us all to commit to ordering at least 10 each and give them out to family members and even as BD or CHRISTmas presents. If you buy at least 10 they are only $3 each well worth it.

    Here is a PDF preview that can also be sent to others to read especially children and young adults.

    https://store.cato.org/pdfs/PocketConstitution.pdf

    To Order:

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  123. #

    Richard // February 17, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Jacqlyn Smith @ 9:34,

    Jacqlyn, i agree. In reference to Alex Jones, i had him on my favorites for a test drive. He lasted a couple of day’s and wound up in the trash bin.

    Webster Tarpley is there also ! Smoke coming off of him !
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Richard…..It isn’t just that….for me it is all of the credible witnesses from the day and the experts who have debunked a lot of his nonsense……and NO it is not hypocrisy as some want to believe……there is NO proof to some of the “truthers” outrageous claims…..as far as getting the truth about the FRAUD…….if we could unseal several of his backgroud history documents we would uncover the truth…..this is not a “conspiracy theory”….it is a fact….once a judge grants discovery or if the Congress would move to have the FRAUD’s records unsealed we would know almost immediately if he is lying about most everything he has said about himself or written in his books…..the conspiracy is the people behind the prevention of those documents ever seeing the light of day…..I think the “truthers” have had many of their own people examine stuff and as I said….nearly all has been debunked by scientists and experts!

  124. GBAmerica // February 17, 2010 at 9:58 am

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    Good find GB…..kind of like the White House crashers that the FRAUD didn’t know he did a photo op with…..UMMMMM…another priceless find!!! 🙂

  125. It’s time for a change in tactics. Instead of working on the eligibility angle, it’s better to pursue Obama on fraud charges. Would also suggest naming FactCheck as the other party to fraud. Obama’s jpg of an alleged COLB does not match the document photographed by Fact Check , which itself contains a certificate number that can’t belong to Obama — especially if he claims to have been born in Kapiolani hospital. Getting standing in court would be much easier for fraud than for eligibility. Once in court, then the state of Hawaii has to turn over Obama’s birth records, plus just about any other institution that may have records pertaining to him.

  126. I think most of us here are aware of the below information but this is just the short list…. go to the link below for the rest of his donors he has placed in ” his” government…..this is NO longer the people’s government!!!

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/16/obamas-bundlers-occupy-dozens-of-key-positions/
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    Obama’s bundlers occupy dozens of key positions
    By Chris Palko – The Daily Caller 02/16/10 at 8:28 pm

    Barack Obama has long decried the corrupting influence of money in politics. As a candidate, he ran against lobbyists and the pay-for-play culture of Washington. As president, he has continued to hammer the theme, most recently in his impassioned attacks on the Supreme Court’s ruling in Citizens United v Federal Election Commission.

    Given this, it’s a little surprising to learn that Obama has not only embraced the sordid money-driven culture of DC, but actually outdone his predecessors. An analysis by the American Foreign Service Association, for example, found that Obama has stuffed the diplomatic corps with more political appointees (i.e., cronies) than any president in the past 40 years. Only a year into the administration, close of half of the president’s biggest donors already have federal jobs.

    Below is a list of Obama campaign bundlers and the taxpayer-funded positions they’ve received:
    The Big Changers’ Club ($500,000+)

    Avant, Nicole (Los Angeles, CA)
    Position: Ambassador to the Bahamas

    Barzun, Matthew (Louisville, KY)
    Position: Ambassador to Sweden

    Beyer, Don (Alexandria, VA)
    Position: Nominated to Ambassador to Switzerland and Liechtenstein

    Bleich, Jeff (Piedmont, CA)
    Position: Ambassador to Australia

    Danzig, Richard (Washington, DC)
    Position: Member, Defense Policy Board

    Donahoe, Eileen Chamberlain (Washington, DC)
    Position: Nominated to Ambassador to UN Human Rights Council

    Eacho, William (Bethesda, MD)
    Position: Ambassador to Austria

    Forester, Christine (San Diego, CA)
    Position: Member, Presidential Committee on the Arts and Humanities

    Genachowski, Julius (Washington, DC)
    Position: FCC Chairman

    Gips, Don (Boulder, CO)
    Position: Ambassador to South Africa

    Gutman, Howard (Washington, DC)
    Position: Ambassador to Belgium

    Harris, Scott (Washington, DC)
    Position: General Counsel, Department of Energy

    Katz, Allan (Tallahassee, FL)
    Position: Nominated to Ambassador to Portugal

    Kennard, William (Washington, DC)
    Position: Ambassador to the European Union

    Oreck, Bruce (Boulder, CO)
    Position: Nominated to Ambassador to Finland

    Overton, Spencer (Chevy Chase, MD)
    Position: Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Office of Legal Policy

    Perrelli, Tom (Arlington, VA)
    Position: Assistant Attorney General

    Rivkin, Charlie (Los Angeles, CA)
    Position: Ambassador to France and Monaco

    Roos, John (Hillsborough, CA)
    Position: Ambassador to Japan

    Sanchez, Frank (Tampa, FL)
    Position: Undersecretary of International Trade

    Solomont, Alan (Boston, MA)
    Position: Ambassador to Spain

    Spinner, Steve (Menlo Park, CA)
    Position: Loan Programs Advisor, Department of Energy

    Stroum, Cynthia (Seattle, WA)
    Position: Ambassador to Luxembourg

    West, Tony (Oakland, CA)
    Position: Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division

  127. ksdb // February 17, 2010 at 10:20 am

    It’s time for a change in tactics. Instead of working on the eligibility angle, it’s better to pursue Obama on fraud charges. Would also suggest naming FactCheck as the other party to fraud

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    ksdb…..Dr. Taitz and some of the other attorneys have been trying this for a while now…..NO judge has the you know what to investigate the charges…..all we get is dismissals because of standing or jurisdiction……both reasons are shallow and are just cop outs!!!!

  128. Snipped from the JagHunter.

    I agree Commander Fitzpatrick !

  129. Beck loses 103 sponsors in the UK.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/16/beck-uk/

  130. The FRAUD is out peddling his bullCRAP again today!!! Get off the TV traitor!

  131. The South // February 17, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Beck loses 103 sponsors in the UK.

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    Can you say British Empire is in control!!!!

  132. Declaration of Health Care Independence

    SIGN THE PETITION
    We, the undersigned, assert our rights as sovereign citizens of the United States of America to declare our independence from any government health-care schemes that violate the Constitution and the spirit of freedom, privacy and self-governance that has defined America since its founding.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=124921

  133. I see Biden went to church and is displaying his ashes……talk about a hypocrite……supports murder of babies in the womb at the same time he claims to be Catholic…..one of them cafeteria types I guess…..

    Those who are described as “Cafeteria Catholics,” who are not opposed to abortion etc. or “Hatch ’em, Match ’em and Dispatch ’em” Catholics who never attend Mass unless it’s a Baptism, Wedding or Funeral.

  134. Rubio is on now…..I love him……he is leading Crist now by 12%!!!!

  135. LM // February 17, 2010 at 10:46 am

    Declaration of Health Care Independence

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    Thanks LM….I signed it and will pass it on to friends and family!

  136. TO:
    ksdb // February 17, 2010 at 10:20 am

    It’s time for a change in tactics. Instead of working on the eligibility angle, it’s better to pursue Obama on fraud charges. Would also suggest naming FactCheck as the other party to fraud. Obama’s jpg of an alleged COLB does not match the document photographed by Fact Check , which itself contains a certificate number that can’t belong to Obama — especially if he claims to have been born in Kapiolani hospital. Getting standing in court would be much easier for fraud than for eligibility. Once in court, then the state of Hawaii has to turn over Obama’s birth records, plus just about any other institution that may have records pertaining to him.
    \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ///////////////////

    I have been saying this since FactFraud (FactCheck) came out with those pics with folds, shadows, etc and seemed to use at least TWO different Documents, some for front shots some for back photos. Someone needs to analyse carefully all those pics inch by inch and note differences. With the naked eye at the time some of us found differences and I believe FactFraud even remove some pics from the original post because of it.

    If O’Fraud made the document available to FractFraud why not make it available to NYTimes. LATimes, CBS, CNN, etc andWHY didn’t these News Agencies File a Court Challenge to be able to SEE THE DOCUMENTS ALSO. After all they are the PRESS and have a right to Investigate and Report first hand and not play second fiddle to some Biased Website.

    I think it should start there. Some Newspaper Challenge needs to challenge Why They Didn’t Have EQUAL access and instead it was given to some website that is NOT TRUSTED and has been WRONG too numerous times to count.

    There is FRAUD in them there Documents.

  137. Where is the Raukus about the Corrupt Caucus???

    Article:

    NYT: The Corruption of the Congressional Black Caucus
    By: Mark Hemingway
    Commentary Staff Writer
    02/14/10 4:19 PM EST
    Today’s New York Times has a bombshell of an investigation into the Congressional Black Caucus. Here’s an interesting fact from the article — “All eight open House investigations involve caucus members, and most center on accusations of improper ties to private businesses.” The bottom line is that it appears the Congressional Black Caucus is devoted to two things — spending millions of dollars on lavish parties and raising money from corporations and lobbyists. And many of the caucus’ fundraising arrangements are suspect at best:

    From 2004 to 2008, the Congressional Black Caucus’s political and charitable wings took in at least $55 million in corporate and union contributions, according to an analysis by The New York Times, an impressive amount even by the standards of a Washington awash in cash. Only $1 million of that went to the caucus’s political action committee; the rest poured into the largely unregulated nonprofit network. (Data for 2009 is not available.)

    The caucus says its nonprofit groups are intended to help disadvantaged African-Americans by providing scholarships and internships to students, researching policy and holding seminars on topics like healthy living.

    But the bulk of the money has been spent on elaborate conventions that have become a high point of the Washington social season, as well as the headquarters building, golf outings by members of Congress and an annual visit to a Mississippi casino resort.

    In 2008, the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation spent more on the caterer for its signature legislative dinner and conference — nearly $700,000 for an event one organizer called “Hollywood on the Potomac” — than it gave out in scholarships, federal tax records show.

    There is, of course, the pernicious influence of lobbyists at work:

    Even as it has used its status as a civil rights organization to become a fund-raising power in Washington, the caucus has had to fend off criticism of ties to companies whose business is seen by some as detrimental to its black constituents.

    These include cigarette companies, Internet poker operators, beer brewers and the rent-to-own industry, which has become a particular focus of consumer advocates for its practice of charging high monthly fees for appliances, televisions and computers.

    Caucus leaders said the giving had not influenced them.

    Not influenced them, eh?

    For instance, Representative Danny K. Davis, Democrat of Illinois, once backed legislation that would have severely curtailed the rent-to-own industry, criticized in urban districts like his on the West Side of Chicago. But Mr. Davis last year co-sponsored legislation supported by the stores after they led a well-financed campaign to sway the caucus, including a promise to

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/NYT-The-Corruption-of-the-Congressional-Black-Caucus-84348862.html#ixzz0foI8AhL4

  138. Found at…..

    http://americangrandjury.org/

    Rush makes great points as to why Palin is in a NO WIN situation…..much like what the commenter Peter has said here…..she must play SMART POLITICS if she is to out-smart the opponent!!

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    McCain Goes Hard After Hayworth; Sarah Palin (R) in No-Win Situation
    February 17th, 2010

    rush logo

    So what we have here, folks, is a teachable moment about RINO Republicans: They will go after conservatives more than they will ever go after any liberal, including ones who are destroying the country!

    From McCain’s campaign staff:

    Senator John McCain has full confidence that the people of Arizona will again return him to the US Senate this year and will work hard to earn their continued support. … Former Congressman Hayworth obviously disagrees, and it was sad to see [Hayworth] use blatant lies and fabrications to attack Senator McCain when he ‘officially’ entered the race for US Senate today. … Mr. Hayworth falsely said [blah, blah]. Mr. Hayworth falsely said [blah, blah]. Mr. Hayworth falsely said [blah, blah]. Mr. Hayworth falsely said [blah, blah, blah, blah]. … One would think that when asking Arizonans to entrust him to represent them in the US Senate, Mr. Hayworth would have the decency to at least respect them enough to tell the truth.

    Instead, Mr. Hayworth has started his campaign with a litany of lies. Sorry J.D., the people of Arizona aren’t stupid. They’re on to you.

    Mr. Hayworth has obviously resorted to lies and distortion today because he has no record of his own to stand on.

    RUSH on this LAST statement: Now, this is a great line coming out of the campaign McCain. Why the hell didn’t they use it against Obama? Why DON’T they use it against Obama? Talk about no record of his own to stand on! He was a community agitator. He had a five-minute career.

    CALLER: Sir, I would like to hear your opinion on Sarah Palin’s endorsement and campaigning for John McCain. Thank you, sir.

    RUSH: Well, I’ve been waiting for this question to come up, and I see there’s a story out there today that Joe the Plumber says that he cannot and will not support Sarah Palin because of her endorsement of McCain. It is problematic, but you know what’s going on here. She’s a Republican. She’s not a tea partier, she’s not a third party person. She’s a Republican. McCain picked her. No matter what has been written about how she wasn’t supported by some people, I think — and I’m not coping out here — I just think I understand the reality of the circumstance. Maybe she coulda stood mute and not said anything but it would have really, really caused some problems in the other direction for her if she had not endorsed McCain. She’s in a no-win in this situation as far as I can tell. I’ll have more when we come back.

    I haven’t forgotten about Sarah Palin and McCain, I’m not avoiding this. Folks, I’ll say again, Sarah Palin is not a tea partier, she spoke there, but she is a Republican, and I’ve interviewed her a couple times for my newsletter and the radio show, but I haven’t gotten into any of this kind of thing. We talked about her bio and her book. So my guess is as good as yours. But I think if she’s going to have a political career, it’s going to have a big capital R next to her name, not a capital TP or some other party, not third party. She’s going to go Republican. And there are just rules. Politics is repulsive to a lot of people for a lot of different reasons, but the one thing that she knows — I mean, you’ve seen the story about how she went into Daytona and totally took over the place. Danica Patrick who?

    Palin in Datona

    Sarah Palin went in there and was mobbed at the Daytona 500 on Sunday. She was in there to speak I think to the Daytona Chamber of Commerce on Monday, and she went into the drivers meeting before the race on Sunday and got standing O’s from everybody on every crew. She could not get out of there, signing autographs, and there’s one person that made that happen, and that’s John McCain. Despite whatever happened during the campaign to belittle her and closed budget and all that stuff, one thing she knows is that nobody would know any more about her than they knew before McCain picked her were it not for the fact that he picked her.

    This is why, folks, the tea party movement must stay oriented on reclaiming the Republican Party and not going third party, but reclaiming it, and then establishing a new set of principles here that rewards conservatism first, foremost, and down the line. It’s going to be a slow evolutionary process because the RINOs are entrenched in this party, and a lot of them are very wealthy, personally and corporately. And they’re not going to give up the power that they’ve got easily. It’s going to be an ongoing battle. We’ve talked about this battle for two years. As conservatives you and I know that we’re persona non grata in the RINO Republican Party and in the liberal Republican Party, the New York elitist, Washington corridor Republican Party. We know those are the people saying the era of Reagan is over. They’re the ones that didn’t like Reagan in the first place. He was embarrassing, they didn’t like abortion. It boils down to the social issues with these people.

  139. Lets get a bunch of lawyers to help obama with the fact that his idenity has been stolen or compromised. How would he say no to that. Then the real truth will come out.

  140. Don’t post often, and here lately I proceed with caution everytime I read on CWs site…For the last 8-9 years there has been ongoing prayer for the Texas highway to be non-existant, led by Cindy Jacobs and Chuck Pierce ministry Gods Generals…We all know who the author of confusion is…The 9/11 truthers are mainly a group of Bush haters and they desire the terrorist attack to be an inside job…Do not allow any of this to keep you from pursuing the eligibility issue, as the motive is to side track the REAL NBC issue….Thanks for all you do CW, you have no idea how much good you do for this country…God bless you all

  141. Jacqlyn Smith // February 17, 2010 at 10:32 am

    ksdb…..Dr. Taitz and some of the other attorneys have been trying this for a while now…..NO judge has the you know what to investigate the charges…..all we get is dismissals because of standing or jurisdiction……both reasons are shallow and are just cop outs!!!!

    – – –

    No, these cases so far have revolved around eligibility and trying to overturn the results of the election or to disprove his eligiblity for office or to overturn local ballots, etc. In some cases, the objective has been to overturn military orders due to Obama being an illegal president.

    I’m suggesting that any new lawsuit ignores Obama’s eligibility and simply pursue charges of fraud. The courts then don’t have to look at the ramifications of trying to overturn the election or remove a sitting president from office or overturning military orders, etc. Standing can hopefully be made more particularized rather than from being a voter or soldier (I’m not sure how yet). If convicted of fraud, Obama would have then committed an impeachable offense. Even without a conviction, the goal is to have a justiciable case that would allow discovery and force the state of Hawaii to release Obama’s real birth certificate. Once it’s in the public, it will be obvious whether Obama committed fraud. Even if a lawsuit fails, public opinion from obvious misrepresentation could potentially be enough to force him to voluntarily step down from office.

  142. Some of the Big Boys aren’t happy…what’samatter??…..somebody went home with the ball and game over???

    Three major US companies said Tuesday they were leaving a coalition pushing for action on climate change, dealing a potential fresh blow to landmark legislation to cut carbon emissions.
    The companies — oil groups ConocoPhillips and BP America and equipment maker Caterpillar Inc. — said they backed efforts for a green economy but felt that proposed laws were unfair to them.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.d2c68d7f8f25b1009e42a6baf82dd136.df1&show_article=1

  143. ksdb // February 17, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Jacqlyn Smith // February 17, 2010 at 10:32 am

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    Some have been a combination of the FRAUD and the eligibility!! I think you could do something with just the FRAUD but getting the witnesses and proof so far has been difficult…also getting the justice system on our side even seems to be a bigger obstacle!!

  144. oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 2:04 am

    As far as I know Biden has NEVER been in ANY branch of the MILITARY SERVICES. Pray tell, where does he get his expertise in UCMJ? Once again it is a product of his WARPED MIND, and DIAHARREA mouth.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Biden is a gutless draft dodger.

    Democratic vice president Joe Biden received five student draft deferments during the Vietnam War, the same number of deferments received by Vice President Dick Cheney, and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.

    In “Promises to Keep,” a memoir that was published last year (07?) and became an instant best-seller after he was tapped as Obama’s running mate, Biden never mentions his asthma, recounting an active childhood, work as a lifeguard and football exploits in high school.

    The gutless hypocrite!!

  145. don in california

    Reese // February 17, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    and later was disqualified from service because of asthma as a teenager.
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    I had asthma most of my young life and still served over 20 years in the military. To me, that is NOT a valid excuse for avoiding military service.

  146. Rush is on fire today. He is attacking the useless stimulus. The theme of the day is “The Big Lie.”

  147. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe // February 16, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Something I never understood………we always hear the economy needs a war to boost it……
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    JustMe, many people believe that WW2 pulled us out of the Great Depression. But it was not the war itself that brought us out of the Great Depression. When we finally got rid of the “New Deal” people in the Administration, that’s when we started to do better again economically. WW2 being good for our economy is an example of the “broken window fallacy”. After WW2 was over, we were stuck with debt that we have never paid off.

    Herbert Hoover made the Great Depression “Great” by his big-government, taxing and spending, and his New Deal “lite” policies (among other things). And under FDR, the government picked economic “winners” and “losers” while expanding on Hoover’s economic policies. Sounds kind of like what’s been happening again, doesn’t it?

    If we really wanted to fix our economy, we would cut taxes and cut spending. But, we aren’t going to do that. Instead, our federal government is going to do the exact opposite.

    State and local governments are already raising taxes. Last night, I heard about some property taxes (on private homes) that have tripled within the past 6 years. People are now starting to lose their homes, because they can no longer pay the property taxes on them.

  148. Jacqlyn Smith // February 17, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Some have been a combination of the FRAUD and the eligibility!! I think you could do something with just the FRAUD but getting the witnesses and proof so far has been difficult…also getting the justice system on our side even seems to be a bigger obstacle!!

    – – –

    One of Orly’s biggest problems has been having cases that are too broad and unfocused. She tries to throw the kitchen sink at Obama and list everything that has been posted on a blog or a forum about Obama, without weeding out the nonsense.

    My idea is to focus singly on a fraud charge and not put the court into a position of deciding a Constitutional issue or tyring to supercede the roles of the Congress and the military. Instead of focusing on where he was born or who his father was, focus on the idea that the FactCheck photographs were edited to remove data indicating they took the pictures three months before they claimed they took them. Focus on the fact that the state of Hawaii refuses to specifically authenticate the pictures and Obama’s scan when they have the legal authority to do so. Focus on the fact that the scan does not match the document photographed by FactCheck. And finally, focus on the fact that Obama’s certificate number in the FactCheck photos prove he was not born in Kapiolani hospital as claimed. Notice this doesn’t address Constitutional questions or an NBC definition. Surely, there’s a law somewhere that states it’s illegal to present a false legal document as genuine. If so, it becomes a criminal case rather than a civil case. No standing is needed, just a complaint, IIUC.

  149. Patriot Dreamer

    Obama’s bundlers occupy dozens of key positions

    “… Obama has stuffed the diplomatic corps with more political appointees (i.e., cronies) than any president in the past 40 years. ”

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/16/obamas-bundlers-occupy-dozens-of-key-positions/

  150. Patriot Dreamer

    “Senator Gregg: Obama Bankrupting Nation, American People Face ‘Horrific’ Future”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452957/posts

  151. It looks like there’s a pretty specific law that could be pursued. Not sure how it would have to be prosecuted (whether on a local, state or federal level).

    “The False Identification Crime Control Act of 1982, Public Law 97-398, amended Title 18 of the United States Code to provide penalties for certain false identification related crimes.

    Section 1028 of that law addresses fraud activity in connection with identification documents. This law makes it a crime to knowingly produce, transfer, or possess false identification documents with the intent to defraud the United States.”

    Source: http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf

    This would definitely apply to Tommy Vietor, FactCheck and the Obama campaign headquarters who allegedly supplied the fraudulent birth certificate to FactCheck for photographic purposes.

  152. Pete, First of all, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you do. You are a hero in my book. I think it’s shameful how doctors are treated currently. They should be living well, very well as far as I’m concerned. Not many people are willing to take the time and dedication that you have to help their fellow man. The insurance costs alone because of our sue happy world are enough to put most doctors out of businesss before they even get started.

    I “hear” what you’re saying and wholeheartedly agree. The doctors are left completely out of this whole “reform” conveersation, and they should be at the forefront. If it weren’t for the great healers in our society, many of us wouldn’t even be here discussing this.

    You’re right up there with the American Soldiers in my book.

    Keep on getting your message out Pete. Many of us are listening!

  153. ksdb @ 10:20 am
    It’s time for a change in tactics. Instead of working on the eligibility angle, it’s better to pursue Obama on fraud charges. Would also suggest naming FactCheck as the other party to fraud. Obama’s jpg of an alleged COLB does not match the document photographed by Fact Check , which itself contains a certificate number that can’t belong to Obama — especially if he claims to have been born in Kapiolani hospital. Getting standing in court would be much easier for fraud than for eligibility. Once in court, then the state of Hawaii has to turn over Obama’s birth records, plus just about any other institution that may have records pertaining to him.

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    I agree ksdb, it seems a more productive road, easier to prove and would naturally lead straight to the uncovering of the BC also. It also seems to take alot of the politics out of it, making standing a better possibility.

  154. PRWH…………………………………….
    I personally think that there is a need for more NURSE PRACTIONERS. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be much incentive for RNs to upgrade. It seems that most are comfortable with the nearly $30.00 per hour wage that they receive. My wife was in geriatric nursing for over 25 years of her life. Nursing in general has become an administrative nightmare. They are expected to be office people in addition to what they are trained to do. Many have left nursing because they cannot cope with all of the administrative burden being placed upon them. My wife retired from nursing as soon as she turned 62. She had to accept a reduced level of SS but she was satisfied with it. She said that it was like breathing again.

  155. And finally, focus on the fact that Obama’s certificate number in the FactCheck photos prove he was not born in Kapiolani hospital as claimed.

    ksdb, how do you know this??

    Just interested, since noone has ever answered my question…
    Where did the liar get his # displayed on the BC and how does it align chronologically with the babies born hours before and after him??

    Anyone can address this for me if the research has been done.

    Why the extra zero compared to the Nordyke twins??

  156. #

    abby // February 17, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Rush is on fire today. He is attacking the useless stimulus. The theme of the day is “The Big Lie.”

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    abby…..that’s because the FRAUD had his mug on tv again today trying to peddle his bullCRAP…..when will these people ever learn….no matter how many times they say the same thing over and over…. “we the people” are not buying it!!

  157. One of Orly’s biggest problems has been having cases that are too broad and unfocused. She tries to throw the kitchen sink at Obama and list everything that has been posted on a blog or a forum about Obama, without weeding out the nonsense.

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    ksdb…..yes Orly certainly does throw everything including the kitchen sink into her cases…..I agree….we need someone to focus on just the FRAUD…..I wish some other attorney would do that…..not Orly….though she does have a lot of research already complete….just NO judge will touch anything she has to say!

  158. REESE…………………………………………

    ………….at which point Biden has NO business trying to ADVISE a 30 year veteran as to military regulations. Biden is once again spouting his usual DIHAREEA of the mouth….. a complication secondary to CONSTIPATION OF THE BRAIN.

  159. ksdb // February 17, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    ********************************************
    good job ksdb….great find!

  160. Just interested, since noone has ever answered my question…
    Where did the liar get his # displayed on the BC and how does it align chronologically with the babies born hours before and after him??

    Anyone can address this for me if the research has been done.

    ******************************************

    JJ….I remember some research being done on this but I can’t remember who or how to locate it! Maybe it was here JJ….

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

  161. oldsalt78 @ 1:14 pm
    I have heard so many nurses say the same thing, it is unbelievable. The ladies I talked to said they went into nursing to help people (hands-on). They did not go into nursing to be administrative people (paperwork-“self defense medicine”). They should have a different category for nurses-administrative and hands-on. The registered nurses do a great job and now they are opening their own clinics.

  162. imo, Rush is part of the Big Lie. The Big Lie is that BO is a legal, duly elected president.

    Focusing energy, resources and attention to resist and defeat BO’s “agenda” is a powerful diversionary tactic, which also adds legitimacy and credibility to the Big Lie.

    The people exposing the real Big Lie are the plaintiffs, lawyers, and patriots who insist that BO is not eligible to be president.
    +++++++++++++++++++
    “Behold, you desire truth in the inward being; therefore teach me wisdom in my secret heart.
    ……. Fill (us) with joy and gladness.” from Psalms 51

  163. rush its all a big lie! if he keeps saying it obama just might believe he’s a liar!!!

  164. JJ @ 1:18 pm
    Why the extra zero compared to the Nordyke twins??
    That extra zero has bothered me for a long time, it sticks out like a sore-thumb. Any answer? I haven’t seen any. A mistake? A mistake on purpose. All forms should be consistent, especially when they are within in days of each other.

  165. Rush said,
    “…the tea party movement must STAY ORIENTED on reclaiming the Republican Party and not going third party, but reclaiming it, and then establishing a new set of principles here that REWARDS CONSERVATISM FIRST, foremost, and down the line.”
    (Emphasis mine)

    What is he talking about rewarding conservatism? That sounds like government as usual.

    And what about the dems and indies? They were a part of the tea party to begin with. The tea parties were never oriented on the Republican party.

    We the People were and are speaking out against a government that is ignoring our Constitution and taking away our freedoms.

    It’s interesting to see how everyone tries to spin the tea parties to their advantage…

  166. There are two more Senators who have arrived on the quarterdeck of the sinking ship. It appears that they might be wearing life preservers. It certainly appears that they intend to ABANDON SHIP, just like the 7 others before them….SPLASH…..SPLASH….SPLASH AS THEY JUMP OVER THE SIDE. I AM KEEPING COUNT OF THE SPLASHES. THE HANDWRITING IS ON THE BULKHEAD FOR EVERYBODY TO READ.

  167. Actually, Obama’s whole life seems to be nothing but a work of fiction. The man has never shown himself to be Constitutionally eligible to hold the office he now occupies.

    If you’d like to see something from a different point of view, watch the two short videos below which, even though they start slowly and have a bit of fun, contain a wealth of factual data – more than we’ve seen from Obama.

    In fact in the second video a famous senator is quoted speaking about someone that sounds for all the world like “Our Boy” and really strikes a chord.

    Only thing is the senator was the Roman named Cicero speaking in 42 BC – but the message is still very directed and pertinent for all of us:

    Three Little Words

    Merry Christmas OmeriKa!!

  168. Kim @ 1:40 pm
    As a Dem, I think much of the growth of the Tea Party is because most normal Dems ran to it as fast as they could. What Democrat wants to be part of the corrupt, inept Obama machine? I can’t see it as a third party too risky in upcoming elections, but for center right people it is the place to be. If the Republicans want their party more to the right that’s ok, it is their party. I agree with Tea Party and Republicans when it comes down to Constitutional issues and fiscal responsibility-two of the biggest hurdles facing all of America right now. Obama cannot handle this job he so diligently usurped.

  169. Patriot Dreamer

    oldsalt78 // February 17, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Which 2?

  170. Pete, I am sorry you don’t think I understand what its like to work 80hrs a week before I can bring home any money for the family. Well then why do you do it??
    Yes I do know, I work for a small rural hospital, I work from Friday a 6pm to Monday at 6am, sometime with no sleep as pts. keep coming on the average of every two hours. For this 60 hrs of work I am paid for one 12 hour shift which is about 300.00. The rest of the time I am there I am on call, so when the er doctor orders an xray I get to punch in for one hours work, well sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesnt. So I beg your pardon I do know what its like to work past a person’s ability to keep moving.
    I can’t compare to your 16 years of schooling, but by the same token I was thrust into the workforce during the oil glut made by another democrat administration when I had three small children and husband who could not find work and unemployment in our little town was at 25% percent. I had enough money to get me thru my first year of xray school and the second year my grades were high enough to get scholar ship for the rest of my tuition. However , this money only covered my tuition, I still had to feed my family and pay my gas and bills. I therefore was lucky enough to get a job at a local hospital where I worked from 5pm to 11pm mon-fri and I had call 3 nights a week and call every other weekend. I want to remind you my youngest child was 3 and she was lost without her mom there. For all this work the hospital paid me 4.50 an hour. I graduated with a 4.0 and went on to work my ass off at other hospital who took advantage of my need to work and gave up to my childrens childhood. I repeat I was the mother, who most expect to be there for their children. As I cannot compare to your 16yrs getting to where you are, you cannot compare my earning 800. a weekend to your 125,00 a year for what you do. So get off the soapbox, people, all people who work in healthcare work their asses off with little or no thanks, at least you live in a nice house and you have a way to make a living even if you hurt your back and wind up in a wheelchair, you can still make money. I on the other hand, have 5 bulging discs in my back, most days my right leg is numb and my left knee is in constant pain from a torn meniscus, all from pushing and pulling and lifting your pts. The thanks I get from the hospital and this govt. is that the hospital laid me off because they wanted to cut the wages of its highest paid employees and our wonderful govt. doesn’t want to pay us social security. So really Doc, I will gladly trade my condition for yours. The fact is Doc you don’t understand the working man/woman’s life anymore than the elitists that advocating a complete collapse of our economy so the wages they pay me can compete with China’s.

  171. Here is a question that has been churning over and over in my mind.

    The high percentage of vote fraud during the 2008 presidential election has been extensively documented.

    A report from the House Judiciary Committee found a minimum of 40% fraud. (I cannot seem to find a link to that article.)

    So, the final vote counts in most, if not every, state are inaccurate in terms of the one vote per registered, legal voter method. (I am speaking about realities here, not hoax generated statistics.)

    BUT all the polls published percentages that were very close to the published (inaccurate) vote totals.

    That fact is a glaring, flashing red light to me. If the vote totals are, in fact, inaccurate and do not represent how the people actually voted, from where did the polls get their info?

    Seems like somehow, poll takers are connected into this whole mess at some level.

    C.W. has published many excellent, factual articles about vote fraud. I know I saw the newspaper article about the House Judiciary Committee report at this site also. I link one of C.W.’s articles here.

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/acorn-voter-fraud-obama-us-house-of-representatives-report-voter-registration-fraud-widespread-deceit-and-corruption-committee-on-oversight-and-government-reform/
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Have mercy on me, O God, according to Your steadfast love; according to Your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. from Psalms 51

  172. Have a great day, All.

  173. Tuesday, February 16, 2010

    Krauthammer Calls Palin a “Talent”; Says She Has a “Major Lack of Substance” – Video

    http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2010/02/krauthammer-calls-palin-talent-says-she.html

    Just one opinion…

  174. Jacqlyn Smith,
    Are you going to the Las Vegas townhall that Zero will be attending?

  175. Patriot Dreamer

    “TSA to swab airline passengers’ hands in search for explosives”

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/02/17/tsa.hands.swabbing/index.html?hpt=T1

  176. Linda from NY // February 17, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Tuesday, February 16, 2010

    Krauthammer Calls Palin a “Talent”; Says She Has a “Major Lack of Substance” – Video
    ###############################

    He’s an Elitist Republican with Nuancy!!

  177. Patriot Dreamer @ 2:16pm
    —————————————-
    Ive set the bomb detectors off at the airport before. The guy said that disposable cameras set it off. This is going to be wonderful for airports, bomb being detected every day if this goes into affect.

  178. Patriot Dreamer

    Hazado // February 17, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I don’t doubt it!

  179. palin is a truther on you tube ,hey beck you lied about medina

  180. ms. helga // February 17, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Was surprised by his comment, however, not by yours…suspected it all along even though I was interested in what he said about pp and his policies.

    Thanks for confirming my suspicions…Linda

  181. Wednesday, February 17, 2010

    U.S. Forces Being Put at Greater Risk because of Restrictive “Rules of Engagement” in Afghanistan – Video

    http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2010/02/us-forces-being-put-at-greater-risk.html

    This makes me angry…this is irresponsible!

  182. Impeach Obama website popsup. It should be ARREST and REMOVE Obama not IMPEACH, but it’s a start.

    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/

  183. Ms. Helga, krauthammer is a vision is his own mind. He also appears not to like women in power. A misognist. In my day we called them “males chauvanist pigs”, which I like better.

  184. If the least thing Barry is worried about releasing his BC is for fear of some embarrassing fact, I for one would be tickled giddy to discover his legal name is “Stinky” Steve Dunham.

    “Stinky” Steve.

    Yeah. I’d like that.

    It would explain much how he’d subconsciously chose his new initials of B.O!!!

  185. ACORN funder confirmed to head Corporation for National and Community Service

    washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 02/16/10 11:37 AM EST | Mark Hemingway

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2453467/posts

  186. Pete,

    My daughter who is an ultrasound tech, tells me if your overhead is that high, maybe you should get a new office manager. She works for cardiologist who tell her that once they get out of school most are millionaires in 5 years. I also would like to tell you my son who is a cath lab tech married a Dr.’s daughter. He is in family practice in a average size two of about 60,000 and billed out over 1 mil last year and got about 3/4th of it back. He is a mulimillionaire and has only been practicing less than 10 years. I don’t know where you live, you might consider moving. The Doctors here in Texas seem to be doing just fine since the pay for office workers is about 10.00 an hr. and we have tort reform, but of coarse the Dr.s are still complaining about the lawsuits even with tort reform.
    The problem I see you know from a laymens view, is that your not happy unless you can make a million a year for all the heartache, work and trouble you went thru to get your education, you think we owe it to you. I for one would like for you to actually want to help people because you have to God given ability to do so, not because you can make one million a year. If you wanted that much money why did you not go into Wall St. where there bonuses are upwards of 5mil a year besides their paycheck. Bottomline Doc, this is what your really mad about.

  187. check out the betrayal website about sara palin being a truther. hey where beck on this and fox

  188. #

    Fernley Girl // February 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith,
    Are you going to the Las Vegas townhall that Zero will be attending?
    *******************************************

    NO way…..I went to the one Dina Titus had and I protested at the Harry Reid Climategate conference….I wouldn’t walk across the street to see the FRAUD….the other two were a waste of time as well!!!

  189. Received this in an e-mail…thought I would share…

    A few well chosen words . . .

    Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?

    Did you know his trial is over?
    Did you know he was sentenced?
    Did you see/hear any of the judge’s comments on TV or Radio?
    Didn’t think so.!!!
    Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
    Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

    Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt
    to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his ‘allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of
    Allah,’ defiantly stating, ‘I think I will not apologize for my actions,’ and told the court ‘I am at war with your
    country.’

    Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:
    January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.
    Judge Young: ‘Mr.. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.
    On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General.
    On counts 2, 3, 4and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run
    consecutively. (That’s 80 years.)

    On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just
    imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that’s an aggregate fine of $2
    million. The Court accepts the government’s recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the
    amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.
    The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply
    because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.
    This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous
    sentence.

    Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are
    Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the
    utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals.
    As human beings, we reach out for justice.

    You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war.. You are a terrorist. To give
    you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or
    your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not—– you are a terrorist. And we do not
    negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them
    down one by one and bring them to justice.

    So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You’re no warrior.
    I’ve known warriors. You are a terrorist.. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a
    very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you
    wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: ‘You’re no big deal.’
    You are no big deal.
    What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly
    as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this
    courtroom today?

    I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of
    unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you.
    It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
    It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our
    individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually
    choose.

    Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because
    we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see,
    that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom’s sake that your lawyers are
    striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other
    judges.
    We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own
    liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our
    freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
    The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

    Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice,
    individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United
    States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be
    judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mould and shape and refine
    our sense of justice.
    See that flag, Mr. Reid? That’s the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this
    is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

    Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.”

    So, how much of this Judge’s comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more judges like Judge Young.

    Pass this around. Everyone should hear what he said. Powerful words strike home.

    Can we hire this judge?

  190. JS said,
    “NO way…..I went to the one Dina Titus had and I protested at the Harry Reid Climategate conference….I wouldn’t walk across the street to see the FRAUD….the other two were a waste of time as well!!!”
    ***********
    I was hoping for an “insider” view of the mood of the people attending……..I can’t imagine, considering the condition Nevada is in, that there are many Nevadans still supporting Zero. But I doubt the news will bother to show anyone who doesn’t support him.

  191. I can’t wait to hear this said to the O’fraud:

    “Mr. Custody Officer, stand him down.”

  192. You are to appoint over you the King the Lord Your God chooses. Appoint a King from your Brethren, you are not to set a Foreigner over you who is not of your people.

    Deuteronomy 17-15

  193. Jacqlyn…. Does this mean you will not be going to make a citizens arrest? 🙂

  194. #

    Fernley Girl // February 17, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    JS said,
    “NO way…..I went to the one Dina Titus had and I protested at the Harry Reid Climategate conference….I wouldn’t walk across the street to see the FRAUD….the other two were a waste of time as well!!!”
    ***********
    I was hoping for an “insider” view of the mood of the people attending……..I can’t imagine, considering the condition Nevada is in, that there are many Nevadans still supporting Zero. But I doubt the news will bother to show anyone who doesn’t support him.
    *******************************************
    FG….Yeah…..I hope someone I know attends so I can get the real scoop….not some media bullCRAP!!

  195. Margie // February 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Jacqlyn…. Does this mean you will not be going to make a citizens arrest?

    *****************************************

    Margie…..Unfortunately NOT!!! 🙂 I heard you had to stand in line to get tickets…..what moron is going to do that…..I might drive by and see who those morons are…..on second thought….why waste the gas! 🙂

  196. don in california

    Linda from NY // February 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Received this in an e-mail…thought I would share…
    ///////////////////////////
    Maybe some of the AGJ Presentments should be sent to this judge. Think he might act on them?

  197. Biden Forgets Which Century It Is While Defending Stimulus in Michigan (video)

    WCPO ^ | Feb. 17, 2010

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2453424/posts

    Take that!

  198. don in california // February 17, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I have heard many say we need just one Honest Judge…wish we could hire Judge Young.

    Do we really have a choice? I was wondering…

    Happy Day…Linda

  199. Michelle // February 17, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Many substitute teachers now are not teaching because of the BS paperwork, meetings, seminars involved………

    In Ky, subs make great money and I was unaware of that until I lost my minimum wage cashier job last week and I had teachers and assistants advising me to begin sub work.

  200. ALERT: Democrats Push HR 4530, a Radical Safe Schools Czar’s Dream Come True

    Gateway Pundit ^ | 02/17/10 | Jim Hoft

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2453420/posts

  201. JJ // February 17, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    And finally, focus on the fact that Obama’s certificate number in the FactCheck photos prove he was not born in Kapiolani hospital as claimed.

    ksdb, how do you know this??

    Just interested, since noone has ever answered my question…
    Where did the liar get his # displayed on the BC and how does it align chronologically with the babies born hours before and after him??

    Anyone can address this for me if the research has been done.

    Why the extra zero compared to the Nordyke twins??

    – – –

    I’ll address your questions in reverse order. The extra zero, I believe, is just part of the database system to allow for six-digit births (if Hawaii was to get that big). There’s also a four digit year on the current COLBs. The Obama forgery is consistent with other known COLBs, such as the Patricia DeCosta COLB found at a genealogy site. The only differences are the ‘Date Filed’ section and the typo in the date. When all the original data from archived birth certificates was entered into the database, my guess that the dates and numbers were converted to match national standards. We know that’s why “Date Accepted” was changed to “Date Filed.”

    As for when the certificate number is issued by the state (after being turned in by the hospital), butterdezillion has done a lot of research (posted at her blog page) to find out the state’s procedure for filing births. At this point, I don’t see a reason to distrust her info, although I can’t vouch for its accuracy. You can read more at her WordPress blog.

    The Nordyke long-form certificates, and the subsequent finding of the published birth announcement (four days after Obama), point out several inconsistencies with Obama’s alleged COLB and call into question the certificate number. The Nordyke twins were born Aug. 5 (Satuday). The certificate form was signed by the mother on Tuesday, Aug. 7. It wasn’t signed by the doctor until Friday, Aug. 11, but it was signed by the state registrar that same day. The birth announcement was published Wednesday, Aug. 16.

    Somehow, even though born after hours Friday, Obama’s certificate had to have been signed by the mother or father, the doctor and the state registrar by Tuesday Aug. 8. The question is why would it get signed by the doctor sooner than the Nordykes but have a higher certificate number, especially from the same hospital when born on practically the same day??

    I think it’s possible that the certificate number was issued when the application form was started. The forms may have been preprinted with certificate numbers and then filled out haphazardly in the hospital.

    butterdezillion thinks the applications didn’t have certificate numbers and only received them when processed by the state registrar. If so, there’s no way Obama could have been born in the same hospital, been filed three days early and received a higher number.

    My personal guess is that Obama was not born in the hospital and that his birth was legally unattended. He may have still been born in Hawaii or he could have been born out of state, and the information was called in to Granny Dunham sometime on the Weekend of Aug. 5. She then went to the registrar’s office and filed the birth on Monday or Tuesday. Whatever number was issued was probably much, much lower than the Nordyke’s certificate number.

    Nevertheless, the birth was filed with the state, although the application may have been incomplete, yet sufficient to be submitted to the newspaper on Wednesday or Thursday to meet the deadline for Sunday birth announcements. The Nordyke’s certificate was filed too late for the Sunday paper and was instead printed Wednesday.

    Whatever Granny submitted to the state, as I mentioned earlier, may have been sufficient to get the birth published in the paper, but not sufficient to get a certified certificate of live birth or maybe not even a certificate number. The state may have wanted additional information to prove Obama was born in Hawaii, which may have only come later in the form of an affadavit from the mother and/or another witness, such as a midwife, friend or the husband. Maybe if signed later in the week, the certificate number was issued and could theoretically be higher than the Nordyke twins. Seems like a stretch, though.

    If there were supplementary affadavits that had to be signed and submitted, that would give us the additional ‘vital records’ as referenced by DOH director Fukino in her statement that Obama was born in Hawaii … except we don’t know how reliable the affadavits were.

    We still don’t have a confirmation from Fukino that the posted COLB is authentic nor the FactCheck photos. The hold-up?? IMO, it’s the certificate number. When Obama’s COLB was forged, it was probably copied from somebody else’s COLB, with Obama’s information inserted in place of the other person. The information may or may not be false. The object was to avoid submitting a long-form to the public that was not signed by the parents or a doctor with a mysterious place of birth.

    What the forgers didn’t have at the time of creating the forgery was the certificate number. So they simply blacked it out, pretending it was a security issue and needed to be redacted.

    Later, Janice Okubo, the spokesbabe for the DOH, says the certificate number wasn’t a real strict security concern, but regardless, she couldn’t give out specific information about Obama’s birth records under any circumstances. Only about a week after this statement was made, FactCheck suddenly claims they went to take photographs of the COLB which magically is now not redacted. IOW, they knew Hawaii would cover them and not say anything about the certificate or the number, so it was safe to make one up. It’s real close to being a potentially valid number (maybe it belongs to one of Obama’s buddies), but they of course, didn’t know the Nordyke announcement would come out later and call their work and the number into question.

    The biggest incriminator is that Hawaii refuses to authenticate the COLB or the certificate number, despite having the statutory authority to do so. If the FactCheck photos are legitimate, there’s no logical nor legal reason the state of Hawaii cannot say so.

  202. And I heard an Angel cry out, “Woe, woe, to the [Citizens of the United States], for [Obama] has come down unto you having Great Power and Wrath, for he knows HIS TIME IS SHORT”

    Revelations 12-12 (gently tweaked)

    🙂

  203. I’m glad this is an open thread to talk about anything, because I have a question for everyone, especially those who believe the government story of the 911 events.

    Fact: before the collapse of the section of the Pentagon which fell, the impact hole of whatever hit the Pentagon was approx. 16 feet wide by 9 feet high. The collapse occurred about an hour later.

    Find a picture of this impact hole and just look at it for a while. Find a picture that you believe is real, they are out there on the web.

    After looking at this picture, if you can, please explain to me how a 757 with a vertical stabilizer which is about 47 feet high, 2 engines which weighed over 6000 pounds each, and a wing span that was far beyond 16 feet, left no markings on the face of the Pentagon where the plane supposedly flew into the building.

    When you look at the picture of the impact hole, you will notice that most of the windows surrounding the impact hole are still intact. The engines were not found embedded in the face of the Pentagon, nor were they on the lawn of the Pentagon. The vertical stabilizer, the wings, and the fuselage were also not found embedded in the face of the Pentagon nor were they found on the lawn. Being that most of the windows surrounding the impact hole were still intact, it can’t be assumed that the parts of the plane went through the windows and then into the Pentagon.

    To believe the government version of the Pentagon events, is to believe that all, if not most of the 757 went into and through a hole that was only 16 feet across by 9 feet high.

    The question I would really like answered is how is it possible for a 757 to go through a hole this size? If no one knows the answer then can you show at least 1 photogragh of a similar plane disappearing into a similar sized hole? I have never found anyone who could answer this question and I have asked around over the years.

    My conclusion is it is impossible for a 757 to go through such a hole and that a 757 did not go through the hole. There is no evidence to prove that it did. If there is proof to how this can happen, I am open to hearing it.

  204. Obama Declares He Will Rule by Authoritarian Decree…..!

    http://informationliberation.com/?id=28899

    Interesting read it would appear that the Obama administration doesn’t care about constitutional law or what the people want. Can’t get anything passed in congress because 67% to 80% of the American people are opposed to the House and Senate Bills proposed by this administration?

    I will rule by Authoritarian Decree, to hell with the Constitution and the congress. Folks this is way past being a serious question of constitutional malfeasance, this is cut and dried treason. If this administration implements this type of governance it will be an act of war against the constitutional government of the United States of America and its people.

  205. My thoughts on Barry leaving the WH:

    Scorched Earth, folks, Scorched Earth.

  206. jbjd, Just read you over at your blog, and I live in Texas, if there is anything I can do let me know. I want to thank you for all your hard work. I was a Hillary delegate at the county convention and I am almost sure that Boyd Ritchie was new and put in that year. So some background information on Mr. Ritchie might be helpful.

  207. One more overlooked legal option:

    Who else remembers that VERY LAST EO Bush signed just before he left the WH? Didn’t it give authority to investigate Federal officials for ‘Ftitness for Service’? Or did the VERY FIRST EO Barry signed sealing his records countermand the entire thing?

    What good good are laws if no one acts on them?

  208. Barack Hussein Obama is a “domestic enemy” of the United States of America.

    Article VI: The Senators and Representatives …shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support [DEFEND] this Constitution.

    Senate Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

    Congress Oath of Office: I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    Oath of Military Officers: I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    Oath of Military Enlisted: I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

    Oath of an individual appointed to an office of honor [Federal Judges and Supreme Court Justices]: I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

    Oath of Federal Judges and Supreme Court Justices taken before performing the duties of their offices: I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.

    Oath of President: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Article III, Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist… in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort…

  209. Here’s a little something on Ritchie being endorsed in 06′

    House Democratic Leaders Endorse Richie
    By Vince Leibowitz on Mar 21, 2006 in Texas Democrats ShareThis Buzz up! Tweet This Post
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    The following press release was sent out yesterday in the TDP Chairmanship Race:

    House Democratic Leaders Endorse Boyd Richie For Texas Democratic Chair

    Endorsement by St. Rep. Jim Dunnam
    “I would like to announce my endorsement of Boyd Richie for Chair of the Texas Democratic Party,” said Dunnam.

    “Boyd has committed to working with the Legislative leadership to put together a unified message and implement a plan that will allow Democratic House gains to continue. This spring it is important that we not miss one step down that road,” Dunnam continued. “With Boyd Richie as our next State Chair we will continue to build a strong, unified Democratic Party that will win in November and beyond.”
    Rep. Dunnam is the House Democratic Leader and represents House District 57.
    Rep. Coleman Endorses Richie for State Chair
    State Representative Garnet F. Coleman issued the following statement after endorsing Boyd Richie for State Democratic Chair:

    “Boyd has proven himself as a great steward for the party both on the state and local levels,” Coleman said. “He has exhibited the commitment and ability needed to carry out the duties of party chair.
    I hope that the SDEC chooses him to lead us through this important time in our party’s history.”
    Rep. Coleman represents District 147 in Houston and is the Chair of the Legislative Study Group (LSG) and the immediate past chair of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus (TLBC).

    I do notice the legislative black caucus endorsed Ritchie. I smell a stench in this.

  210. Anyone who thinks the Clintons aren’t part of the socialization of America need to open their minds.

    The Tea Party is in their sights for destruction.

    “Not only do Democrats face the possibility of losing their congressional majorities, massive losses in state house races could jeopardize redistricting next year and set back the progressive agenda for at least a decade.

    So, the Clinton Empire is planning to strike back.

    Big Government has learned that Clintonistas are plotting a “push/pull” strategy. They plan to identify 7-8 national figures active in the tea party movement and engage in deep opposition research on them. If possible, they will identify one or two they can perhaps ‘turn’, either with money or threats, to create a mole in the movement. The others will be subjected to a full-on smear campaign. (Has MSNBC already been notified?)

    Big Government has also learned that James Carville will head up the effort.

    http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/02/17/clinton-plotting-tea-party-counterattack/

  211. A prominent insider has told Infowars that Texas Governor Rick Perry and other establishment neo-cons have decided to deliberately target grass roots constitutionalists with dirty tricks campaigns in an effort to derail and hijack the growing liberty movement whose influence is threatening to blow the Texas gubernatorial race wide open.

    Our office was contacted by a national personality, a household name, who told us that they were in a green room at a national public event a few weeks ago with Rick Perry. The individual was shocked when Perry said directly that there were three people who ‘got under his skin’ and who ‘had to be dealt with’ immediately.

    One – Debra Medina, two – Alex Jones, and three – Ron Paul.

    Perry told the individual that these three people had to be targeted and stopped in order for the Republican establishment to shut down any real voices of opposition that were threatening to have an influence on the Tea Party movement, which has been blatantly hijacked by the neo-cons in recent months.

  212. UpstateWarrior // February 17, 2010 at 3:36 pm

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    Upstate…..go back on this thread to…..

    Jacqlyn Smith // February 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Watch all 5 parts….I believe your questions will be answered and the people answering them are actual witnesses who lived through and the fireman who actually saw the plane crashing into the Pentagon…..please it wasn’t a missile!!!

  213. Katie // February 17, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Anyone who thinks the Clintons aren’t part of the socialization of America need to open their minds.

    ********************************************

    Katie….I wouldn’t put it past them and look for more dead bodies…..BTW….I can’t stand James Carville…..how that Mary woman ever got with him is beyond me!!!

  214. Acually, James and Mary are the perfect illustration of how the two parties are in bed with eachother!

  215. Kim @ 3:00 pm
    you read my mind, exactly what I thought after I read Judge Young, now we know that there is one Judge in the United States of America who understands the law, what a terrorist/murderer really is and supports our laws.

  216. Start listening to this at about 3 minutes in and tell me what you think Sarah says about “birthers”

  217. From Dr. Orly’s site:

    Posted on | February 17, 2010 |

    Gino DiSimone Says (#132):
    February 16th, 2010 at 1:10 am

    My name is Gino DiSimone and I am the leading Independent non-partisan candidate for Governor of Nevada. Immediately after I take the Governors seat, I will require the birth certificate and I will exercise all my executive powers to get this done! It will be the biggest issue you have ever seen. I have already laid the foundation to blow this wide open like never before and it will be from the executive powers of a Sovereign State Governor.

    Please send my info around the USA. God be with us as we take this tyrant down, fast and hard. Your support is greatly appreciated.

    Sincerely,
    Gino DiSimone
    Candidate, Governor of Nevada 2010, Independent non-partisan, GIN ! (Go Independent Nevada ! )
    http://www.ginoforgov.com
    775-544-2765

  218. UpstateWarrior @ 3:36 asked,

    The question I would really like answered is how is it possible for a 757 to go through a hole this size?
    ___________________________________

    Maybe the pilots exited the airplane and unbolted the wings from the body of the plane, letting them crash into the ocean, then climbed back in the plane and rode the now torpedo into it’s final destination, the Pentagon.

    You are correct: the hole as seen in many photos and videos, was 16′ wide x 9′ high, and it was a nice clean hole (no engine or wing silhouettes).

    You’ll never convince non believers, no matter how much evidence you poke them in the forehead with, because they are too emotionally invested to turn back now.

    Yes, we all seen airplanes hit the WTC’s (except for bldg. 7, it must have felt sorry for the other two).

    But a clear wall breach hole in the Pentagon before the ceiling collapsed, and only parts you could carry in by hand were found at the scene, as described by news reporters on the ground at the scene (see video above).

    No parts or bodies found in PA either (as described by news reporters on the ground at the scene), as seen in the video above.

    Yeah, a plane hit the Pentagon alright — LOL

  219. GBAmerica @ 3:35 pm
    Coming from Chicago what this statement means to me is: Obama stuck it to Blago many times and now Obama wants the same thing for free. I tend to doubt that this is the first time their paths crossed and it was the standard operating procedure-all of them-except Blago decided to to play well.
    “It’s also the same recorded conversation in which Mr. Blagojevich uses an obscenity to refer to Mr. Obama, before the governor makes clear he won’t give the president-elect the seat for free. “F— him. For nothing? F— him.”

  220. connie @ 3:58 pm
    Connie-you are a Texan. This is GiGi Gaston’s We Will not be Silenced re: the terrible voter fraud in Texas if you are not aware of it. Disgusting. I’m so glad you Texans were smart enough to video, all this evidence. Some of the people worked for weeks to build their cases for fraud. Texas is one state, I wonder how many other states had fraud this bad. May some day these videos be used in a court of law for evidence in a usurper case.
    http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/hinzsight_story/david_hinz/2008/10/08/we_will_not_be_silenced_a_film_by_gigi_gaston

  221. TruthSeeker @ 3:58 pm
    so what was the time gap between the Bush EO and the Obama EO? Sounds like Obama did not comply with the law in the intervening time period. Hmmmm???

  222. JJ @ 3:18 pm
    Good idea from your friends JJ. You will love the kids.

  223. Me thinks a missile hit the Pentagon, and wall charges may have been secondary explosions deeper inside.

    Look at this video footage of what appears to be a missile. If that was a jumbo jet, you would have seen a HUGE aircraft in this video with respect to the size of the walls.

    What do we so though? A small object that appears to be 1.5-2.5 ft. in diameter with respect to the size of the walls.

  224. Obama is linked in to so many criminal activities that no one is going to believe it. The family I was in for more than 26 years who are directly involved in a huge Drug system and much more are also linked directly to Obama.

    Guess who setup their family business in Florida?
    Mexico drug plane used for US ‘rendition’ flights: report Sep 4, 2008
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j6QonBKKMo2gw1e3ql-xUcQEZbVg

    Clyde O’connor is family!

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL

  225. Michelle, I am going to find every piece of garbage I can find on Boyd Richie. I now know he was selected by Bill Clinton to serve on the selective service board. So probably hated the Clinton’s over DADT and he decided he would thrust this idiot on us. I’ve been trying to call the Texas state DNC, but they don’t seem to pick up there phones. I know that Mike Corcoran is Richie’s assistant. Nobody know how long a chairman serves or if there are term limits. It seems they have to call Obama before they can answer the simplest questions.

  226. Go to 1:12:00 (that’s one hour and twelve min.)

    9 of the supposed 19 high jackers are still alive.

    I choose to think for myself, but my government would rather I didn’t.

  227. Katie // February 17, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    As a Democrat I hope the Obama faction loses heavily. This politics of destruction is one of the many things the American people are sick of, hence the Tea Party Movement, which is moving away from the Dems. The best thing for the Republicans to do is stay on the high road, present their ideas clearly-stress fiscal responsibility. A full smear on folks from the group that has never including today vetted Obama that is really rich. I hope it ruins the progressives forever not 10 years-if that is what Obama is pretending he is for.
    “Not only do Democrats face the possibility of losing their congressional majorities, massive losses in state house races could jeopardize redistricting next year and set back the progressive agenda for at least a decade.
    The others will be subjected to a full-on smear campaign. (Has MSNBC already been notified?)
    Dems have got to quit pulling their potus material out of the cesspool of corruption South Side of Chicago, I mean really how low can you go.

  228. dyoung @ 4:36 pm
    Great candidate-this is what I love about the Tea Party so many new and fresh faces not corrupted by the same old, same old disgusting nonsense coming out of DC.

  229. Beck is putting Medina in the radical blackboard with Obama’s radical friends right now

  230. connie, he should put a big fat picture of his own face right next to Obama!

  231. This question is to The South:

    Are there any current polls that are available on the standing of Debra Medina? Haven’t heard anything in a couple of days and I’m very curious. Do you live in Texas? What is the buzz down there? Thanks for your imput!

  232. The South,

    Why would the camera footage be blurry ?

    Tomahawk cruise missiles only go about 200 mph.

    All other footage from cruise missiles are very clear. Except this one.

    I’ve been on the flight lines with jet’s going 600 mph, which is like a Blue Angel doing a sneak pass,
    and it is still very identifiable. Very visible, very defined.

    With all do respect to your point of view.

    The theory that everyone on board, including the pilot, Commander Burlingame, are now AWOL just so bush could push through his executive order, and go to war with Iraq ?

    No neighbors next door to the pilot ever came forward screaming foul play.

    So he’s in hiding from his wife and daughters this whole time ????????

    Veteran from Top Gun, NAS Miramar (FIGHTER TOWN USA.)

    Commander USN

    Engineering Degree !!

    True Patriot.

    You could not pay him to break his sworn oath of allegiance, and also stay away from the wife and kids.

  233. Just to keep it interesting…Medina must scare the bejeebers out of some people…

    BREAKING: Sara Palin 911 Truther Controversy- Prediction: Debra Medina will win Texas Governors race by a Landslide – Thanks and may God bless you Prophet
    Posted on February 17th, 2010 by David-Crockett

    BREAKING: Sarah Palin 9/11 truther controversy makes hypocrite of Glenn Beck

    Sarah Palin 9/11 truther controversy explodes days after Texas Gubernatorial hopeful Debra Medina outcast as ‘pariah candidate’ for 9/11 comments

    Aaron Dykes & Alex Jones
    Infowars.com
    February 17, 2010

    Days after Debra Medina’s rising bid for Texas Governor was stung by controversy over comments about 9/11 on the Glenn Beck Show, it has emerged that former Vice Presidential candidate and “Tea Party’ darling Sarah Palin has done her one better– stating her support for a new 9/11 investigation just before the 2008 election, and going far beyond Medina’s mild statement.

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=5567

  234. Richard, I don’t know why the footage is blury (it’s that way in every video I’ve seen so far). I’d imagine because the frames per/sec allowed to be viewed from the right of the screen to the wall is minute at best.

    One thing I do know; if a plane hit that wall, you’d see AN AIRPLANE in that video, and not something the size of missile.

    That plane would have taken up a large portion of the video screen with respect to the wall in size proportions.

    9 of the supposed 19 high jackers have been proven ‘alive and well’ (as in they weren’t on the planes that hit the WTC’s).

    As far as the pilot on the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon, I have no idea.

    So many unanswered questions.

  235. The South,

    Way to many brother’s and sisters, Military, friends, relatives, who are highly credible, and have never yielded to any conspiracy’s.

    http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm

  236. Beck and Matthews share the same talking points, blasting Medina. Are they both getting their orders from Cass Sunstein?

  237. so a plane leaves no debris in a field in pa bascially blown to simereens and no red flags.huh?

  238. The South,

    Where i worked in Del Ray Beach Florida, most of the terriosts’ lived less than one mile from my office.

    I used to drive right past the apartment building every morning coming from Palm Beach.

    Several lived a stones through away. All over the papers. Airport video’s with them bording the planes ……………….

    Enough said.

  239. Upstate…..go back on this thread to…..

    Jacqlyn Smith // February 16, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    Watch all 5 parts….I believe your questions will be answered and the people answering them are actual witnesses who lived through and the fireman who actually saw the plane crashing into the Pentagon…..please it wasn’t a missile!!!

    *******************************************

    Jacqlyn, I just finished watching the 5 part video series you suggested.

    I ask you to do me one favor. Find the best photo that you can of the impact hole before the collapse and then post it.

    The reason I ask you to do this is because nothing in the National Geograhic video series supports what the picture of the impact hole shows.

    For example in the 3rd video between the times 7:00 – 7:09, the computer similation shows that most of the wings, along with one of the engines entered into the building supposedly still intact and then folding in on itself. When you look at the picture of the impact hole you do not see any indication of an airplane engine or the wings hitting the building. There should be marks of their impact, but there are absolutely none.

    Look at the same simulation and towards the end of the simulation you can see the 47 foot high vertical stabilizer approaching the building. Look at how high the stabilizer is. It is at least 4 or more stories high. There clearly should be according to the similation, outside impact marking of where the stabilizer slammed into the buiding. Look at the picture of the impact hole and you will see that there is not one indication of a vertical stabilizer hittting the Pentagon. The similation makes the plane magically fit into a hole 16 feet wide by 9 feet high. The picture of the impact hole tells the truth, not the National Geographic or the Popular Mechanics stories.

    Something that also bothered me about the video from National Geographic is in part 2 around the time of 1:03. The person says that this is the only video footage that exists of what hit the Pentagon. This is clearly a lie, because we know that the FBI went around and grabbed all the video footage showing what hit the Pentagon. They only released this one video.

  240. Richard // February 17, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    The South,

    Why would the camera footage be blurry ?

    Tomahawk cruise missiles only go about 200 mph.

    *****************************************

    Richard….You are wasting your time….these people already followed Jones off the cliff instead of thinking for themselves!

  241. @ Glenn Beck, 2 questions

    Have you ever broadcast while drunk?

    Have you ever beat your wife?

    Answser yes or no

    That’s what you did to Debra Medina, now didn’t you.

    Glenn you are Natural Fool, look it up.

    You might also want to look up Humility, apparently you have forgot what that means.

  242. Jacqlyn @6:14 pm,

    Richard….You are wasting your time….these people already followed Jones off the cliff instead of thinking for themselves!
    _____________

    Jim Jones ?? Hah !

  243. Richard // February 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    The South,

    Where i worked in Del Ray Beach Florida, most of the terriosts’ lived less than one mile from my office.

    ******************************************

    Richard…..If you watch the 5 videos of the actual witness statements and the survivors who got out of the building alive then the truthers wouldn’t have to dream anything up….BTW the fireman on duty near the Pentagon and outside that morning saw the plane go into the building….like I said…..don’t waste your time….they don’t want to know the truth!

  244. #

    Richard // February 17, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Jacqlyn @6:14 pm,

    Richard….You are wasting your time….these people already followed Jones off the cliff instead of thinking for themselves!
    _____________

    Jim Jones ?? Hah !
    *****************************************

    Yeah…..Maybe that Jones too but I was thinking of Alex!

  245. Jacqlyn, I just finished watching the 5 part video series you suggested.

    I ask you to do me one favor. Find the best photo that you can of the impact hole before the collapse and then post it.

    *******************************************

    Upstate……If you watched you would know that the one in….I think it was video 2…..was the only impact one that was captured by anyone or anything and because of the time between each picture that was taken outside the building it only captured the plane already in the building…..did you not hear the fireman verify he saw the plane coming in low and into the building…..they also know it was a low flying plane as some lights were clipped as it came in…..a missile would have come in at a whole different angle….not low and near the ground!

  246. Jacqlyn @6:22,

    There would have to be too many airplanes, stewardess’, pilots, passengers, all in collusion and all in some holding pen somewhere. Then everyone’s family and spouses would have to cover up for them…….

  247. Something that also bothered me about the video from National Geographic is in part 2 around the time of 1:03. The person says that this is the only video footage that exists of what hit the Pentagon. This is clearly a lie, because we know that the FBI went around and grabbed all the video footage showing what hit the Pentagon. They only released this one video.

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    Upstate…..I don’t know of any other picture that was live when the plane hit……according to the statement of the fireman he verifies he saw the plane…..maybe the video you speak of was made up by truthers….who knows….I wouldn’t put it past any of them…..they want so badly to prove that George Bush and Cheney were behind the attack…..I say hogwash….not according to the witnesses and the survivors of 9-11!

  248. #

    Richard // February 17, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Jacqlyn @6:22,

    There would have to be too many airplanes, stewardess’, pilots, passengers, all in collusion and all in some holding pen somewhere. Then everyone’s family and spouses would have to cover up for them…….
    ******************************************

    Richard…..like I said…..don’t waste your time….common sense tells us the truth….just like common sense tells us you don’t keep your records hidden if you don’t have anything to hide!

  249. JS,
    You use a broad brush to paint the “Truthers.” I simply don’t believe the story we were fed. The discussion here relates to the VALIDITY of the report NOT who did it.

  250. #

    Prairie // February 17, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    JS,
    You use a broad brush to paint the “Truthers.” I simply don’t believe the story we were fed. The discussion here relates to the VALIDITY of the report NOT who did it.
    *******************************************

    Prairie……I don’t believe the story you are fed either…..witnesses and survivors tell the truth….and I guess if the shoe fits……wear it….I’m not a truther and proud of it!

  251. connie and all,

    Beck set up Medina, now it looks like this is dirty politics at it’s finest. Karl Rove, a contributor to FOX news and the man that propped up George W. Bush while in office and a close friend of Perry has been fingered to be behind Beck’s attack on Medina.

    Here’s the link.

    http://www.infowars.com/neo-con-hierarchy-launches-dirty-tricks-campaign-against-real-constitutionalists/

  252. Watch this to the end. Then notice the Pentagon footage of the small white puff of smoke/missle at 4:47 in the frame.

    That’s not a 757 JUMBO JET. It’s a damn missile.

    Notice in the video, he points out ‘not one bit of damage to the roof’ where the tail fin should have hit.

    and the video is dated 9/12?

  253. Folks do you know that Sarah Palin is more of a 9/11 truther than Medina who is running for Gov of Texas? We are being played on by Fox News and it has to stop. Too bad they let a Saudi buy stock in that company and now he calls some of the shots. Remember 19 of the hijackers were Saudis !!! Glenn Beck and O’reilly need to be boycotted and for you fellow Texas Americans please do not vote for Kay Bailey or Rick Perry.. Stand behind Medina ! She has no real connections to the same ole same ole. I say we need to be more proactive to stop people like Sarah from shooting herself in the foot and that is just what she is doing by being associated with Fox. It’s amazing how Fox can be 90% upfront with us but then in just 10 percentage points ruin it by lying and playing politics. This is global folks. If you want to reply to me you may email me at n0tb0rnhere0bama@aim.com. the zeros are just that zeros.

  254. The South // February 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Watch this to the end. Then notice the Pentagon footage of the small white puff of smoke/missle at 4:47 in the frame.

    That’s not a 757 JUMBO JET. It’s a damn missile.

    Notice in the video, he points out ‘not one bit of damage to the roof’ where the tail fin should have hit.

    and the video is dated 9/12?

    ******************************************

    Didn’t see anything to change my mind…..watch the 5 videos I posted last night and listen to the witnesses and the survivors…..the fireman saw the plane….and it came in low to the ground….that’s why it wasn’t a missile and there is NO damage to the roof….you answered your own question….now think about it…..a missile would have damaged the roof…….the airplane wouldn’t have! Case closed!

  255. RichM. Isn’t there some folks you there in New York like Rev. Manning that is willing to go to Fox News and protest this for us. I don’t know Rev. Manning myself, but has anyone thought about doing this??

    Fox is a fraudulent news and so are the rest of them. The internet is the only place for the real truth.

  256. **** New Post ****

  257. “Case closed.” LOL
    That sounds like, “the science is settled.”

  258. .a missile would have damaged the roof…….the airplane wouldn’t have! Case closed!
    __________________________________
    A missile would have? A missile 2-3 ft in diameter would have damaged the roof at the low level it came in at?

    An airplane with a height of 44 feet would not have damaged the roof?

    I think you said it JS, case closed, you’ve lost your mind.

  259. don in california

    The 9/11 videos do raise a lot of questions, but then the videos go into UFO videos. Really makes one wonder.

  260. Here’s some photos of the wreckage back then.

    Eyewitness testimony at the end of the article.

    Multiple people saw the plane with the wings tipping up and down.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

  261. #

    The South // February 17, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    .a missile would have damaged the roof…….the airplane wouldn’t have! Case closed!
    __________________________________
    A missile would have? A missile 2-3 ft in diameter would have damaged the roof at the low level it came in at?

    An airplane with a height of 44 feet would not have damaged the roof?

    I think you said it JS, case closed, you’ve lost your mind.
    ******************************************

    South….That’s not what I said and that’s not what the witnesses said either…..quit making things up…..listen to them…and you will know the truth!

  262. Richard // February 17, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Here’s some photos of the wreckage back then.

    Eyewitness testimony at the end of the article.

    Multiple people saw the plane with the wings tipping up and down.

    ****************************************

    Richard…..these truthers here are not going to listen to common sense….they have already followed Alex Jones over the cliff!

  263. #

    Kim // February 17, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    “Case closed.” LOL
    That sounds like, “the science is settled.”
    *********************************************

    Unless the science says it was an airplane that slammed into the Pentagon then yes it collaborates with what the witnesses say who saw the plane…..I doubt a fireman would mistake a missile for an airplane…..think about it!!!!

  264. 9-11, money was put down 100 million for 2 months with a insurance return of 7 + BILLION. Numerous stock trades with inside information. Demolition of toxic ASBESTOS laden buildings with no cost, only profit. Theft of funds under the W.T.C, and loss of financial files in the buildings. Unlimited War, on a global basis with no reason for it, other than to root out the mythical terrorist. Patriot act that targets the real militia movement that another Oklahoma City style event could not do.

    The unheeded creation of Blackwater type of so called security companies that are to be used in the USA. Unlimited funds for ” DEFENSE ” spending, even after they said the day before 9-11 that they don’t know where 2.5 TRILLION dollars of unaccounted for money was at.

    At some point one would think you’d stop believing the msm.

  265. Katie // February 17, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Katie, maybe Bill needs to get in touch with Perry…

    Our office was contacted by a national personality, a household name, who told us that they were in a green room at a national public event a few weeks ago with Rick Perry. The individual was shocked when Perry said directly that there were three people who ‘got under his skin’ and who ‘had to be dealt with’ immediately.

    One – Debra Medina, two – Alex Jones, and three – Ron Paul.

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    Yeah, a plane hit the Pentagon alright — LOL

    Look at the Pentagon lawn…a 747 to make that maneuver over the highway at 500 MPH (LOL), and knock down that street lamp, (which was by the way not on the course of the area hit)would have to be about 3/4 feet above that grass and no burn marks??

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    The theory that everyone on board, including the pilot, Commander Burlingame, are now AWOL just so bush could push through his executive order, and go to war with Iraq ?

    Be careful …..our govt is capable of bad things.

    Ahhh…the disappearing passengers and flight crew of KAL Flight 007…murdered congressman Larry McDonald.
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    Richard // February 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Not enough said….I’ve seen pics of some of the scapegoats buying tickets, NEVER have I seen any of the 19 boarding a plane, Richard, if you’re speaking of the tragic 9/11 event.

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    Richard….You are wasting your time….these people already followed Jones off the cliff instead of thinking for themselves!

    Right…..

    And you can’t find one employee from the Pentagon that saw or heard a plane!!!!

    And you can’t explain why Rumsfeld changed protocol in July, 2001, to make him commander of the charge to shoot down enemy planes, not NORAD, and reverted back to usual propocol September 12, 2001……soooo obvious!!!

    One better, how can 19 Arabs from caves defeat a multibillion dollar defense system protecting the most guarded building on this planet???

    And the scariest and most egregious….who gave orders to NOT fire the missile from the Pentagon at an ‘UNFRIENDLY INCOMING’????

    How was that missile not released???? That’s impossible, that protected air space is programmed for a STA missile attack.

    OH, NO , COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS NO INCOMING???? BINGO!!!

  266. Seems this blog has been infiltrated by trolls.. Paid,maybe?

  267. #

    Kim // February 17, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    9-11, money was put down 100 million for 2 months with a insurance return of 7 + BILLION. Numerous stock trades with inside information. Demolition of toxic ASBESTOS laden buildings with no cost, only profit. Theft of funds under the W.T.C, and loss of financial files in the buildings. Unlimited War, on a global basis with no reason for it, other than to root out the mythical terrorist. Patriot act that targets the real militia movement that another Oklahoma City style event could not do.

    The unheeded creation of Blackwater type of so called security companies that are to be used in the USA. Unlimited funds for ” DEFENSE ” spending, even after they said the day before 9-11 that they don’t know where 2.5 TRILLION dollars of unaccounted for money was at.

    At some point one would think you’d stop believing the msm.
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    You are the one believing the media…..we Anti-truthers are believing the witnesses and the survivors who tell the truth…..why would anyone believe the Lame Stream Media!!!

  268. And you can’t find one employee from the Pentagon that saw or heard a plane!!!!

    And you can’t explain why Rumsfeld changed protocol in July, 2001, to make him commander of the charge to shoot down enemy planes, not NORAD, and reverted back to usual propocol September 12, 2001……soooo obvious!!!

    One better, how can 19 Arabs from caves defeat a multibillion dollar defense system protecting the most guarded building on this planet???

    And the scariest and most egregious….who gave orders to NOT fire the missile from the Pentagon at an ‘UNFRIENDLY INCOMING’????

    How was that missile not released???? That’s impossible, that protected air space is programmed for a STA missile attack.

    OH, NO , COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS NO INCOMING???? BINGO!!!
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Quit making stuff up…..of course there are witnesses who saw the plane hit the building……you don’t have any witnesses that saw a missile hit it!!! Believe what you must but much of what you truthers write borders on the ridiculous ….especially if it is a figment of someones imagination…..we actually have people who witnessed the plane striking the building…..BINGO!!!!

    As Richard said above….go here it explains a lot!

    Multiple people saw the plane with the wings tipping up and down.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

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    Amy1 // February 17, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Seems this blog has been infiltrated by trolls.. Paid,maybe?
    ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Amy1……NO……just people who can’t wrap their brain around the truth and have listened to one too many conspiracy stories!!!

  270. Maybe all the passengers on the 9/11 jets are all in witness protetion!!

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