Obama arrest, Blagojevich arrest, Patrick Fitzgerald, Rezko trial, Chicago corruption, Obama Rezko ties, Obama lies, Campaign donations, Fraud, Obama just as corrupt as Blagojevich, USDOJ corrupt?

Barack Obama

Arrest

Part 2

I was going over some notes, preparing to put up the next article explaining in detail why Barack Obama should have already been arrested when I came across some old articles that I had saved. The articles were so compelling on their own that I decided to present them as standalone evidence that Obama and Blagojevich should have been indicted and arrested by mid 2008. This leaves several glaring questions.

Why did Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Dept of Justice wait until after the election to arrest Blagojevich? The excuse of waiting for the US Senate seat to be sold was a diversion. There was plenty of evidence against Blagojevich. The amount of evidence placed before the public was sufficient and Fitzgerald has much more.

If you arrest Blagojevich, you have to arrest Obama. Obama was just as steeped in Chicago and IL corruption.

Perhaps that was the reason for focusing on the selling of the IL senate seat.

However, if you examine the complaint and subsequent indictment of Blagojevich, you will see the same references to corruption that ensnares Obama.

And now Obama has picked Fitzgerald to be the Interim chairman of the Attorney General’s Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys.

What does that mean? 
What is also significant about the following articles is that they came from the Main Stream Media. However, prescious little of this was revealed on television.

From the LA Times blog, Top of the Ticket, April 7, 2008:

“Ticket Special Report: Obama and Rezko, the early years”

“The trial of Antoin “Tony” Rezko, one-time patron to Sen. Barack Obama and Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, has turned lurid.
 
Under cross-examination by Rezko attorney Joseph Duffy, star prosecution witness Stuart Levine, a Chicago-area lawyer, is admitting to conspiracy, extortion, bribery, fraud and other bad acts while he “served” at the Illinois public school teachers pension fund board.
 
At Duffy’s urging, Levine is detailing 30 years of drug usage including sordid day-long binges with other men at a Chicago inn called the Purple Hotel. Rezko’s attorney Duffy is wondering whether all that cocaine, crystal meth and other drug use has perhaps fogged Levine’s memory.
 
That aside, much of the trial’s focus is on money — much of it given in the form of campaign money in the careers of Obama and Blagojevich.
 
It’s an unfolding, seemingly local political story that’s fascinating in its revealing details about the subterranean world of business, financial and family connections in Illinois and Chicago politics that helped take a virtually unknown black Chicago attorney, nurtured him politically and financially and turned him into….
 
the polished candidate who today thrills crowds of thousands across the country with his eloquence.
 
Obama currently leads in delegates for the Democratic nomination for president.
 
This tale is long by Ticket standards. We’ll do this rarely. But for those interested in delving into details it provides important background about the early political connections of a little-known newcomer to the national political scene.
 
This story concerns two men, neither of whom face any legal charges today. They are two of Illinois’ top Democratic politicians — Gov. Blagojevich, who’s been mentioned often in court, and Sen. Obama, who’s received only passing mentions. They’re entwined in the Rezko saga, particularly through the bounteous campaign money he raised for them both.
 
Get used to that name. Rezko’s currently in a long-running Chicago trial on federal extortion and bribery charges. Few campaign donors were more responsible than Rezko for the rise of Blagojevich (Blah-goy-ah-vitch) and Obama. Both politicians came to rely on him for political and personal advice — and lots of campaign money.
 
 
 
Their intimate relationship is coming into focus through Rezko, a Syrian-born businessman who made his money in real estate and restaurant franchises and now sits daily in the federal courtroom of U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve. The trial’s daily events are covered in this Tribune Rezko court blog.
 
So far, Blagojevich, reelected in 2006, is more deeply enmeshed in the scandal than Obama, who’s not been implicated in any wrongdoing.
 
But all three operated in the murky world of Illinois Democratic politics, where money, family relationships and long business associations provide the invisible glue of the local political world.
 
Witnesses in Rezko’s trial have testified that Rezko recommended friends and associates for government jobs and posts on Illinois state boards when Blagojevich took office in 2003, and some of those friends were generous donors to Blagojevich.
 
An early trial exhibit from prosecutors was a spreadsheet. Prepared by an FBI agent , the spreadsheet identifies Rezko-related donors who supplied $1.43 million between 2001 and 2004 to Blagojevich, who was first elected governor in 2002.
 
Using Federal Election Commission and Illinois state records, The Times’ Dan Morain compared donors on the FBI spreadsheet to Obama’s contributors. Guess what.
 
Sen. Obama received $222,000 during the same 2001-2004 period from Rezko-related Blagojevich donors.
 
And Obama received at least another $32,000 from them for this presidential run — although Rezko, indicted in 2006, has not been involved in Obama’s current campaign.
 
Those Obama-Blagojevich donors include Rezko himself, along with his family members, employees and associates of his various business enterprises. There’s also the head of a major Chicago investment firm that received Illinois public teachers’ pension money to invest.”

Read more:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/obamarezko.html

From the Chicago SunTimes April 23, 2007:
“Obama and his Rezko ties
DAY ONE OF TWO”
“For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago’s South Side.
 
It was just four years after the landlords — Antoin “Tony” Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru — had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn’t find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building.
 
Obama has been friends with Rezko for 17 years. Rezko has been a political patron to Obama and many others, helping to raise millions of dollars for them through his own contributions and by hosting fund-raisers in his home.
 
Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a legislator to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko’s low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers.
 
The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers.

Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.
 
“Their buildings were falling apart,” said a former city official. “They just didn’t pay attention to the condition of these buildings.”
 
Eleven of Rezko’s buildings were in Obama’s state Senate district.
 
Obama, now a U.S. senator running for president, has come under fire over his friendship with Rezko, who was charged last fall with demanding kickbacks on state business deals under Gov. Blagojevich.”
 

“Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama’s time with the firm.
 
Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:”
 
•                         Seventeen buildings — many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat — ended up in foreclosure.
 
•                         Six buildings are currently boarded up.
 
•                         Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.
 
•                         Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.
 
•                         At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.”
“Obama works on Rezmar deals

Obama spent the next eight years serving in the Illinois Senate and continued to work for the Davis law firm.  Through its partnerships, Rezmar remained a client of the firm, according to ethics statements Obama filed while a state senator.”
“But Obama did legal work on real estate deals while at Davis’ firm, according to biographical information he submitted to the Sun-Times in 1998. Obama specialized “in civil rights litigation, real estate financing, acquisition, construction and/or redevelopment of low-and moderate income housing,” according to his “biographical sketch.”
 
And he did legal work on Rezko’s deals, according to an e-mail his presidential campaign staff sent the Sun-Times on Feb. 16, in response to earlier inquiries. The staff didn’t specify which Rezmar projects Obama worked on, or his role. But it drew a distinction between working for Rezko and working on projects involving his company.”

Read more:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article

239 responses to “Obama arrest, Blagojevich arrest, Patrick Fitzgerald, Rezko trial, Chicago corruption, Obama Rezko ties, Obama lies, Campaign donations, Fraud, Obama just as corrupt as Blagojevich, USDOJ corrupt?

  1. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Great Stuff, CW…

  2. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I’ll add, that Obama’s legal experience kind of points to where he may have learned the importance of forging documents, hiding evidence, engaging in stalling tactics in court and how to cover the most self-incriminating evidence.

    Honest men don’t have such talents…

  3. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Michelle you wrote:

    “We know he was a spy, but for what purpose? It looks like every country he touched, had major issues. In other words he did more destruction than good for the world. Was he a spy (which country) that was making policy? No wonder he creeps most Americans out? He has many masters, yet none. This guy is not only dangerous to the United States and all the proud things we have done for the world. He is a danger to the entire world. This fool really believes he is the messiah, which makes him insane.”

    His being a spy explains why he is

    1) so used to lying
    2) So used to inventing stories about himself
    3) So used to faking
    4) Experienced at being a charmer (some spies are prostitutes; was Obama a bisexual agent charged with such tasks?)
    5) Experienced at slick presentations and convincing others he is on their side

  4. citizenwells

    I know that much of the material relating to Obama’s arrest is a rehash for some
    of you, but there is a whole new audience out there, including those in Congress
    that need to wake up. This material is not intended to supersede the eligibility
    issue, but rather to strengthen the argument that Obama is a liar, fraud, narcissist
    and usurper.
    Please help to educate the American public.

  5. Patriot Dreamer

    OT, but thanks to Leo Donofrio, I have a new favorite poster:

    http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpropaganda-news.htm

  6. I thought the Blago interview with Glenn Beck was most interesting. I know Beck had such disdain for Blago and couldn’t wait for him to leave the set. However, I thought Blago was trying to tell all of us (wanted to scream out) there’s a much BIGGER story here than perhaps any of us will ever know, and the players are BIG players.

    But, as usual with these corruption cases, there is always a fall guy. Such as the case with Bernie Madoff. As such, the story dies, the courts are backlogged, and ….

  7. If we want an outside perspective about government run healthcare, perhaps we should ask a Veteran? It’s pathetic the kind of care these great folks are subjected to.

    They have recently had many new restrictions placed on their care outside of the Veteran’s clinic/hospitals circle. Private physicians used to be able to get an approval to see Vets outside of the V.A. I think this is no longer the case! And, in some cases, they now have to travel great distances to be seen. And…greater distances to be treated.

    Of course, we should question why they have SEPARATE clinics/hospitals in the first place. Is it perhaps the government doesn’t want the private sector docs knowing what they’ve been exposed to or injected with?!

  8. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Following up on that article on Barry being a CIA front man…

    if BHO is a pawn for the Saudi led coalition mentioned, he is following the perfect playbook.

    He has to grap more power, and become more hated; destroy as much as he can…

    And then at the climax of his being detested, the Saudi led coalition will have a stooge or ops assasinate him.

    This will setup the perfect “sympathy reaction”, and the MSM will brand the patriot movement as repsonsible: cite blogs which talked about this, and quote bloggers who said “Thank’s be to God, he’s dead!” and the like.

    This will be used to take away more of our civil liberties, and push the Islamicization of the west even more. It will be ground for legal protection and preferences for Muslims, and the ultimate collapse of the West to the perfect Islamic plot to advance the Muhhamadist mania world wide…

    O.K., I’m given to speculation, but its is a possibility…

    However, if this were the case, how to counter it?

    It seems such a good plan, that I cannot see any counter effetive measures…

  9. Great post CW

    !

  10. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Except a Christian movement to take back this country, for Christ, and fundamentally reject the notion that the Constitution requires a secular government…

    We Christians don’t have sufficient sense of political dignity…we need to collaborate more in political life, now more than ever….

  11. TRAITOR IN TREASON AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
    BUSH-CLINTON CRIME FAMILY SYNDICATE FIXER
    U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald

    Remember, Fitzgerald conducted an illegal NSA-sponsored ‘Stellar Wind’ spy operation against former Democratic Governor of Illinois Rod Blagojevich, who, like former Democratic Governor of Alabama Don Siegelman, knew too much about the activities of the Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate aka their role with General Electric’s Home Medical Supplies, a massive money laundry and the attempt to keep cheaper Canadian prescription drugs out of the United States.

    June 27, 2009 Intelligence Briefing
    P.P.S. We can now reveal that Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate cover up artist, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, TRAITOR Patrick Fitzgerald, is threatening to arrest internet bloggers who are critical of him and soon will conduct a libel suit against author Peter Lance who is writing a book that will un-mask and finger Fitzgerald for what he is, a stooge and puppet for the Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate.
    [Fitzgerald is in frequent contact with the Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate’s daddy Bush aka George Herbert Walker Bush].

    http://blogs.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel

  12. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    For those who can’t get to Orly’s Blog, this new post says it all:

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3795

    “Obama’s eligibility is considered to be “the buzz”, the most talked about issue. I did 4 TV shows on major networks and one more is coming tomorrow, as well as articles in the major news papers and radio. Most of the interviews are in Hebrew, channel 7 is half Hebrew, half English.

    One of the most significant interviews was with veteran TV journalists Yaron London and Moti Kershenbaum. From what I understand Kershenbaum used to be the director of one of the channels. At the interview they brought one more investigative reporter, who stated that they ran google trends and found that the top search was Orly v Obama, but I am not sure if this is correct.

    Another interview was with Dan Margalit- his investigative reports led to resignation of Yitzhak Rabin.

    The interviews were done for Galei Zaal- it is a radio network of the Israeli military”

    ————-

    I sure hope that the Israelis remembe all those billions we’ve given them gratis over the years, and come to help us now, in our darkest hour.

    I hope they remember that only in the Christian West, do Jews have the liberty to be Jews…

  13. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Cq,

    That Heneghan link goes to a site, whose author calls Al Gore “the duly elected President”….

    Talk about far, far, far, far, far left…

    If only Dems could punch their ballots correctly….if only Dems could think, and such like…

    These are hypotheticals contrary to fact…

  14. Here for instance Obama and Lugar were detained for 3 hours in Russia-2005. Passports were reviewed
    http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/39511

  15. CW,

    We need to find a way to get Fitzy and Holder removed. Let’s see if we can find someone within the DOJ who has the guts to investigate the massive fraud going on.

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I believe if we dig enough we can find some criminal connections between all 3.

  16. Time to investigate Fitzgerald. Let’s find where he’s lived, what cases he’s filed, who his friends are, and whatever juicy information we can dig up.

    Someone in Chicago can help as a lot of this information is available, but only locally.

  17. song // August 11, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    Hi song,

    Wait a minute…read the article again: ‘The 41 year old Obama.’ This piece was from 2005.

    41 years old????

  18. http://www.bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/co-operation/39511

    They sure got BO’s age incorrect here. It states:

    “The 41-year old Obama, having won one of Illinois’ two Senatorial seats in 2005, is seen by many on Capitol Hill as heir-apparent to many of the non-proliferation concerns spearheaded by Lugar. ”

    Should he have been about 44 in 2005?

  19. Haahaa, SueK, I noticed that also and I see that you did too!

  20. No! I didn’t notice it…

    Very interesting indeed!

  21. No! I didn’t notice it…

    Very interesting indeed!

  22. ps

    sorry for the double post?

    I guess that means

    very very interesting interesting

    hmm

    lol

  23. kittycat // August 11, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Hey Kitty,

    Great minds think alike :).

  24. No Wonder the Public is Shouting at the Town Hall Meetings

    The media are claiming that the public is using extreme words when it describes the Obama health care plan as “evil, euthanasia plan, death warrant bill, or comparing it to Hitler or Nazi Germany.” The media suggests these words are too extreme and harsh. To me the words are not strong enough under the government we are now suffering and fearing for our lives. The people didn’t write the health care bill. They are merely accurately describing what already exists in the bill. To use any words that fail to describe sections of the plan is simply watering down, distorting the horrible intent and reality American citizens will face if this bill gets passed-in any way, shape or form. Murder is murder by any other name is murder. So is government control of your bank account total control of your money by any other name is still control of your bank account. (See pages 58/59 of the HC Bill) Read the bill, and you will hear every lie and the supporters of the bill are baldface telling the public.

    In the past week, a conservative black man passing out “Don’t tread on me Flags” outside a town hall meeting was attacked by the Obama’s Purple shirts. The other day Sola tried to be heard regarding his son in a wheel chair. The police escorted him out. He said they were civil to him. Then he was visited in the middle of the night by Obama’s purple shirts. He sated publicly he would go to jail for killing them if they every return to his property again. Sola is a man with guts and back bone.

    The media is denigrating the shouting, anger, frustration, and seeming hysteria of the people attending the meetings claiming this is no way to get things done. Some of the Congress people have actually walked out of their own meetings. The people have sent letters, faxes, made telephone calls, politely sat through many meetings while being lied to their faces, rallied, carried signs, and taken this government to court hundreds and thousands of times since January 20, 2009 to now. They have been ignored, demeaned, threatened, ridiculed, manipulated, lied to, and while witnessing the DOJ, Eric Holder, the entire judicial system, and the Supreme court deny and convolute our laws and justice system on the behalf of wrong over right so consistently they have reached their last nerve. The Chicago style of politics that is being practiced in Washington today is so offensive to people with integrity, it is all they can do to remain calm in the face of the lying to their faces these foolish Congress people are doing. They now realize the American Government of checks and balances is no longer working because they have all been bought off or intimidated by Obama thugs paid for with George Soros money. (Moveon.org) Not that I wish to see it, because I don’t. America is only a few steps from becoming violent.

    Though it may be argued that people don’t learn from history, I do believe the great value of history is to see and learn from it. It doesn’t take a genius to see the many parallels between pre World War II Germany, Nazi Germany and today’s government. Obama’s Acorn, Seui aka “Purple shirts” are the equivalent to Hitler’s Brown shirts. There is an old movie I recommend to look up and watch again—CABERET, which is about pre World War II Germany. While the German people were being entertained in the night clubs, the Jews were being beaten in the street. The German government at that time was no longer hearing the people. Any one who dared disagree or criticize the government was harmed or murdered. Pay attention and notice how similar it is getting to that right now. Sola is only the beginning. The pity is under America’s Constitution, Sola should never have had to be pushed against the wall and have to threaten he will trade his freedom to protect his family. The thugs who threatened him should be the ones worrying about their freedom sitting in jail now. Look at what Obama has done to America with his Acorn, Seui thugs, his “snitch on your friends and neighbors, and his hit back twice as hard. We are the citizens of the United States. Since when do citizens have to live in fear of being “struck back twice as hard” because they honestly point out negative facts about the health plan. This is some sick, sick strategy. It is very reminiscent of pre world war II Germany. So people are not exaggerating when they use these words—incendiary as they may be.

    Whether Democrat or Republican government is about listening to the people with a servant’s heart. Obama’s government has it all upside down. They are there to serve the people and not the other way around. It isn’t about forcing unwanted, unnecessary programs onto an unwilling public. It also isn’t about government being responsible for the 46,000,000 uninsured people in America. Even though Obama proclaims 46,000,000 uninsured people in America is some kind of travesty–that is his biased, hidden agenda opinion. It is not my opinion. Maybe it is not yours either. To be honest it is neither the government’s nor the people’s problem! That is the price of life! America already has excellent health care for those who worked to earn enough to pay for their own health care. It is the greatest system in the world. Obama wants to destroy it because he wants to control 20% of American business health represents.

  25. Well no he is 50 it would help to explain the sudden grey hair..

  26. I got this from another article…”Today Russian President V. Putin ordered U.S. Senator Barack Obama who is also tight with MOSSAD, to be held in custody under suspicion of being a British operative illegally spying in Russia at off-limits secret facilities. ”

    Vedy interesting….

  27. This story was covered by the MSM and should be available in other outlets. We need to scourer archives and see if we get this in more than one source.

  28. queue “Goldfinger” music…

  29. Wow Greg! (by the way–did you see my post yesterday? The link you posted was from a far eastern state of India). I could not read (v. limited Hindi knowledge). Possibly Hindi or another language/dialect).

    This is from today. Protesters against health care arriving at New Hampshire town hall:

  30. Patriot Dreamer

    GREAT post at Free Republic today:

    “The Emergence of the Ruling Class”
    by wildwood

    Silent No More

    It became clear to me today.

    The media are missing a significant piece of the puzzle in reporting what is happening across the United States. They cover the town halls and demonstrations in sound bites, moving quickly to elite panel discussions of how rude and discourteous taxpayers are being to their elected representatives, how this rudeness does not advance true discourse, how they are ruining their own arguments because no one can hear above the screaming, how the rudeness perhaps masks racism against the President of the United States.

    Well, fine. Washington’s not been listening anyway. That’s why we’re screaming. What have we got to lose, at this point?

    The truth is this: we’re not just protesting the government takeover of health care.

    We’re protesting the blatant and audacious emergence of a ruling class.

    We don’t like it. It is un-American. And unconstitutional.

    Here’s a link to the rest of the post:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2313591/posts?page=1

  31. it’s also called an “Oligarchy”, as I learned recently…and posted, on several occasions, the video that explains it so well.

  32. I realize this could be anywhere/any time…but this is how I found it…

    NBC camera captures man with gun at NH protest (picture):

  33. Patriot Dreamer

    I understand that open carry is legal there in NH. Gasp! That man is exercising TWO of his Constitutional rights at the SAME TIME! (/sarc)

  34. “there’s something happening here
    what it is aint exactly clear
    there’s a man with a gun over there
    he’s telling me, I’ve got to beware…

    it’s time we STOP, hey, what’s that sound?
    everybody…look…what’s going down…”

  35. if a re-do of the video clip is warranted, just say the word and I’ll put it up…again.

  36. twe, I did see you post of yesterday and posted a thank you.

    There are many people here in NH that openly carry a side arm. I see it quit often.

  37. twe // August 11, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Very proud of my neighbors to the north today!

  38. There’s this:

    Anyone ever heard of Sherman Skolnick?

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/131626

  39. This story was reported in the Chicago Tribune. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-135552630.html

    There is a subscription to view the whole story. I went the Chicago Tribune but was unable to find a way to retrieve that story.

  40. Here’s the video of the guy with a gun (and additional commentary–goes on for about five minutes):

  41. Google this!!!! “sherman skolnick obama”

  42. Thanks Greg–I must have missed it…I don’t stay on all the time, can’t…
    Sometimes I just observe.

  43. Patriot Dreamer

    Ladyhawke // August 11, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Another suspicious death.

  44. Greg–thanks for the google tip…makes other things make sense. Wow!

  45. Patriot Dreamer

    Today’s silly word of the day:

    “Obamunist”

  46. OMG A GUN!!!! Gawd what a bunch of whooses.. Do any of the people around look concerned? No. If I was there I would feel safer…

  47. Patriot Dreamer

    Greg, I would feel safer from purple-shirted union thugs! 😉

  48. Chicago politics is a cesspool. I guess most of us know that. Now we have a Chicago Mossad operative (Rothschild agent) RUNNING the campaign of a Chicago Senator who has long ties to Muslim radicals. WTF???
    Does any of this make any sense to anyone?
    Let’s say this slowly…. ok… one, two, three…
    A Mossad agent is the campaign manager for a man who has been tied to Muslim extremists… Percy Sutton (Malcom X’s Lawyer) and an Obama supporter Says, Barack Obama Knows And Was Financed By The Racist Radical Muslim And Saudi Adviser Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour…. among others
    And NOW Obama awards the coveted position of Chief of Staff position to the MOSSAD AGENT who kept Bill Clinton on a short leash while his Israeli buddies set him up to be blackmailed and therefore controlled!!
    Does anyone besides me smell something so fishy here that it just doesn’t compute???

    http://www.theuniversalseduction.com/articles/sherman-skolnick-of-chicago-said-emanuel-was-the-head-of-the-mossad-in-the-usa-what-the

  49. Greg…this was written by him in September of 2005!!

    That is U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D., Ill.) originally from the former British colony of Kenya ……….

  50. Get this from Atlas Shrugs:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/-obamas-thugs-to-visit-your-home-to-check-on-how-youre-raising-your-kids.html

    “Obamacare, page 838: ‘Home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children’… (hat tip Carl)

    It’s all bad. Get your tuchus to the town hall meetings. Seriously. It’s ugly.

    Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government’s coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

    It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

    The bill says that the government agents, “well-trained and competent staff,” would “provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains … modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices,” and “skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development.”

    Are you kidding me?! With whose parental principles and values? Their own? Certain experts’? From what field and theory of childhood development? As if there are one-size-fits-all parenting techniques! Do we really believe they would contextualize and personalize every form of parenting in their education, or would they merely universally indoctrinate with their own?

    Are we to assume the state’s mediators would understand every parent’s social or religious core values on parenting? Or would they teach some secular-progressive and religiously neutered version of parental values and wisdom? And if they were to consult and coach those who expect babies, would they ever decide circumstances to be not beneficial for the children and encourage abortions?”

  51. sandy, I hear ya. Look at all the information we have uncovered in ten minutes. Think what God damned jahornalist could have dug up with over a year to work with. And I was typing this. I typed god and not God, and my spell checker did not pick that up as missed spelled!

  52. Most people don’t know of Rahm Emanuel’s frightening past. After President Clinton’s election many years ago, one day Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s future chief of staff, allegedly named each of the enemies of the Clinton campaign and then stabbing the table with a knife while yelling “dead!” after each name prior to stabbing the table. When you probe deeper into Congressman Emanuel, you find that he is the son of an Irgun Fighter, the same Irgun that blew up the King David Hotel in a terrorist bombing and killed British Military, who were classified as Terrorists by the British in Palestine but from the Israeli perspective were looked upon as freedom fighters. Rahm when he turned 18 was enlisted in the Israeli Defense Forces. He is know as RAHMBO for his pitbull posture!

  53. This Sherman Skolnick affiliation to Obama and CIA, and British Colony, Saudi Arabia, etc. is just too much!

    The CIA has to know this, and what do we hear?

    ************ CRICKETS ***************

    Our country has been high-jacked by Saudi Arabia, and Obama is the Secret Son of MalcomX if you ask me.

    There’s just way to many points that add up to espionage at the highest levels. This shit is straight out of a James Bond movie!

    I mean you couldn’t write a better screen play for a suspense thriller if you tried!

  54. Look at Glenn Beck now on Fox- Powerful

  55. I cannot believe what I am reading on Rahm Emanuel….He is running this country, and under the threat of blackmail and worse, murder.

  56. truthbetold11

    obama is dotting his i’s and t’s seems like he has a back up plan upon back up plan well in advance. to counter any suspious behavoir,. the msm is quilty of the worse because they refuse to print the truth to protect a criminal

  57. truthbetold11

    i can’t believe i have to write to protect a criminal by the media this is unreal

  58. So, the Red Chinese with the aid of their secret political police are able to funnel billions from dirty business coming out looking like soybean and foreign currency deals in Chicago. An instrumenal reputed player/facilitator in all this has been Rahm Emanuel and his gang. On a local PBS TV outlet show in Chicago, Rahm bragged how as Clinton White House Senior Advisor he had a desk closest to the Oval Office. The TV cameras were allowed right into the White House to show this. In effect, Rahm is reportedly the Deputy Chief, for North America, of Israel’s secret police, The Mossad. Rahm is permitted to have dual citizenship. During the Persian Gulf War, he went to Israel to serve in their armed forces, reportedly in an espionage capacity. And Rahm Emanuel apparently has two faces. He supposedly has been a Clinton administration loyalist. BUT, at the same time, he reportedly controlled and directed the Israel/Red Chinese secret police circle that manipulated Clinton on sexual scandals, diverting our attention from the oil fraud and similar important matters.. Rahm’s gang ostensibly included Monica Lewinsky, whose parents for years were reportedly assets of The Mossad. Clinton/Rahm Emanuel sent Monica to the Pentagon to sniff out what Admirals and Generals were planning a coup against Clinton. In the process, she got pregnant and had an abortion.. Included apparently in the circle is Linda Tripp who previously was a covert operative of the Delta Forces, one of the few women in that capacity.”

    http://www.abundanthope.net/pages/article_2263.shtml

  59. Okay…..I can’t even follow this all….my head is spinning…..

    WTH??

    We are in deep doo doo

  60. Sandy,

    You aren’t kidd’n! This is one helluva a web of espionage and treason against the United Sates.

  61. From ,what I read, when Clinton was Pres. Emanuel couldn’t get a security clearance, do to his association with Mossad.
    What has changed?

  62. From 1958 to the time of his death, Sherman H. Skolnick was a court reformer, and from 1969 to 1993 alone, twenty judges and over forty attorneys went behind bars as a result of Skolnick’s public exposure of their crimes. In 1963 he founded the Citizen’s Committee to Clean Up the Courts, a public interest group researching and disclosing certain instances of judicial bribery and political murders. From 1995 on, he was producer/moderator of “BROADSIDES,” a one-hour weekly taped public access Chicago Cable TV Show that reached an audience of 400,000 viewers.

    Skolnicks been putting away corruption for years

  63. One thing everyone should know is that everyone on these sites wishes Obama a very long life in jail. We would hope everyone involved in treason and/or suborning treason long life in jail. We want examples made, not martyrs. Tangled webs, and “players” who’s who, what’s what in this- we can and will find out.
    Is it possible they started out with one thing and all went rogue and they switched masters many times.

  64. I cannot find any details of his death…

  65. Although this is interesting dialogue, I believe we need a firm Patriot communication network. This list of trusted patriots must have checks and balances to ensure intrusion by the government is next to impossible. After all we have a right to our privacy.

    I am devising a plan which will help fellow patriots communicate effectively without the government realizing what we’re doing. At this pace we have to work quickly. Any assistance will be welcome.

    I’m opening the forum to our intellects posting here for any suggestions, although I do already have a large list of techniques dating back to the 1600’s.

  66. Greg Goss (August 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm) said:

    === This story was reported in the Chicago Tribune. . . .

    There is a subscription to view the whole story. I went the Chicago Tribune but was unable to find a way to retrieve that story. ===

    Greg, a useful trick for googling the elusive is to google for the very last words that a truncated story has published. In this instance, I googled the Web for “enforcing their whims of the day without deference to” (within quotation marks) and the search results added to that line the word ‘world’. So then I googled for “enforcing their whims of the day without deference to world” and a number of related articles came up, at least one published in more than one Russian news outlet.

    I’m racing through here, haven’t read all the posts (began at the bottom) so don’t know if what you’re looking for is in any of those articles.

  67. Mouse, thank you, twe yes I saw that. but being such a controversial person you would think that there be a report on how he died, or if there was an investigation….the silence is deafening.

  68. citizenwells

    Michelle.
    Regarding your comment
    Submitted on 2009/08/11 at 1:07pm
    just me: I didn’t want you to worry re: death threat, I didn’t know if you saw it due to problems with web-site. Josh reported this person to authorities.

    The idiot making the threat has theatened me, us, many times.
    What the imbecile did not know is that I am intimately familiar
    with Everett, WA.

  69. Sandy (August 11, 2009 at 5:11 pm) said:

    === Greg…this was written by him in September of 2005!!

    That is U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D., Ill.) originally from the former British colony of Kenya ………. ===

    That is exciting! What a find!

    Since I haven’t read all the posts here but wanted to know more about that in a hurry, I googled for the statement and eight links came up. Is there anything in this one that is not in other links as well?

    http://www.remoteviewer.nu/?p=5026

  70. The Skolnick stuff gets a little strange when you also read he thought Monica Lewinsky was Moussad controlled and Linda Tripp was a member of Delta Force.

  71. You’re welcome, Greg (August 11, 2009 at 7:42 pm). Were you looking for something specific in the missing part of that Chicago Tribune article that hasn’t been found elsewhere?

  72. JeffM guys and fellow patriots.
    Machiavellian If you describe someone as Machiavellian, you are critical of them because they often make clever and secret plans to achieve their aims and are not honest with people. Who do we know like that and how many of them are there? While these guys are playing jr. James Bond’s who is running the country. If they all want to be James Bond let them make a movie and get as far away from government as they can possibly get. They should not be responsible for the care of small animals.

  73. Now an interview with the guy carrying the gun today:

  74. twe,

    Thanks for the post. This guy handled himself very well. It shows because Chris backed right down. One for the patriots!

  75. NOTE: PLEASE VISIT GOOGLE ===& enter
    Barry Soetoro

  76. Ken,

    I still haven’t heard you answer Kittycat.


  77. Saw this on the way home today

  78. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Folks,

    Please lets not call Zero “James Bond”, there are marked differences of ethics, talent, and loyalty

    …although both seem to be fictional characters…!

  79. GG

    I found a Skolnick obit that said he died of an apparent heart attack after becoming a self-proclaimed recluse for 2 or so years.

    I can try to refind the link if you think it would be helpful.

  80. http://www.news1130.com/news/world/more.jsp?content=w114063527

    Health care reform and the violence it can incite.

  81. Nancy Peacock

    I guess Sherman Skolnick had to die . . . I wonder why.

    http://www.skolnicksreport.org/

  82. It truened out that I still had the window open. Here is the obit:

    http://www.wesawthat.blogspot.com/2006/05/judicial-activist-sherman-skolnick.html

  83. Kittycat // yesterday you & other guy saying to me where is the answer for me telling you ALL go to. Go google & all other search engines /I beleave & hope others went there & got the information /you got to close this www go there & beleave me you will see what I’m giving this to you all thank you…………..

  84. Someone needs to tell Chris , that not all people, who carry guns, fit, his stereotypical description, of a gun wielding ,American.

  85. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Is a long 140 pp article by Skolnick, it reads like Andy Martin, a long list of assertions, cites only his own publications, says “We found” to prove what he said…

    —————-

    You know, I’d like to see references.

    This blog should not descend into rumour mill mania…

    Its a distraction…

    We already know that Obama could have a British Passport.

    What proof have we than he worked for a CIA front, knowingly?

    Also when was the elder Bush head of the CIA? Did he recruit Obama?

  86. http://www.news1130.com/news/world/more.jsp?content=w114063527

    As Krauthammer says “Obama knows to offer the candy (universality) today before serving the spinach (rationing) tomorrow”.

  87. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.skolnicksreport.com

    to read Skolnick’s reports as they were published on his website before his death…

  88. Does any one know enough about the proposed health care bill to determine if doctors can practice outside of the government program? My husband is a physician, he is against the bill, but doesn’t understand the evil intent behind the bill!

  89. Ken-twe-Venice-
    Ken-I googled Barry Soetoro, once upon a time that used to go right into a White House web-site. I’m not getting the message that you are trying to send unless its Obama is Soetoro, which I thought everyone knew.
    I am not a gun person, but I believe in the Constitutional right for people to use, own etc.
    I have a brother and sister who are dead-eyes and I never miss at basketball or throwing paper into a wastebasket so I probably am also, except I can’t put a gun in my hand. I suppose if I had to I could learn I just hate violence. In regard to the man with the gun, he had it holstered, it is his right, he was obeying the law. Police go around with holstered guns all the time. I don’t know why Chris Matthews was trying to brow-beat this man as he did. Neither the government nor the media can make this into a violent movement because it is not. It is citizens trying to inform their government that they are much more knowledgeable about the Constitution than those who represent it and took oaths to defend it. That is the story-Chris.

  90. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Look this Skolnick is a vicious anti-Catholic baiter, in my opinion, blames the assasination of 7 presidents on the Jesuits…as a Jew he certainly was no friend of Catholics, claims Kennedy was assasinated by the Jesuits…in another piece says Kennedy was assasinated by the Oil Cartel…which is it?

    He’s a gossip…not everything he says is true, but everything he says is designed to shock and get your attention, for that is the nature of gossip…

    NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFO, folks…

  91. Michelle,

    I don’t disagree with you fundamentally. But health care reform, more than any will expose the seriousness weaknesses of this administration.

    If the public’s back is pushed to the wall, as many are clearly already expressing it’s hard to predict the outcome.

  92. For those who are not from Chicago this is about Mayor Harold Washington, whom Mr. Skolnick said was murdered. Harold Washington died of a heart attack. When Mayor Harold was running for mayor I think he weighed 150 # approx. he was in good shape he had been a first sergeant in the Air Force. After a few years in office Mayor Harold was up to 310-320# approx. he was a little guy, not very tall. His doctor wanted him to diet, but Mayor Harold just didn’t do it, and I know those girls from the South Side of Chicago they are fantastic cooks and lure guys with their good cooking. I don’t have the gift, but I have tasted those morsels and all I can tell you they are ought of sight. Soul Food it so good. That’s what did Mayor Harold in. Everybody loved Mayor Harold he was one of the good guys.
    “He was an exceptional gentleman – his sense of proportion, his sense of fairness, his ability to want to serve the people, not only of the City of Chicago, but if you notice that he’s been active nationally in urban problems,” Rice said. “So his influence has transcended this local area here, and to the national picture.”

  93. Truth Exists

    I’m glad you’re being suspicious of Ken; I did it and it messed up my computer (luckily only lightly{curioisity killed the cat!}).

    I hope everyone has read this and sent it to anyone who doesn’t “get it”. As a teacher and an attorney, this is the best explanation of natural born that I’ve seen. Mario has it posted on his site. http://birthers.org/misc/logic.htm

  94. twe // August 11, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Hi twe,

    Thanks for the laugh!

    Other than Barky, Matthews is the biggest turd I’ve ever seen. Calling him a moron would be a compliment. No wonder Saturday Night Live lampoons him all the time.

    Time to take out the trash…

  95. MICHELL== yes you back there went to check BUT BUT beleave me Michell White House as you said Yes ok then & beleave me whats new well over 1,090 hits on Google on Barry to date & never will this infomation go to the WH

  96. I have an “everything that’s really wrong about health care” story if anyone wants to hear it.

    My husband has been on jury duty for 6 weeks. It was a medical malpractice civil case.

    It ended this morning and I have spent most of the day listening to the details.

    Now I know why he has been in such a fowl mood since the jury deliberations began.

  97. CNN–I’m with you. As I mentioned earlier, he thought Linda Tripp was Delta. Oh, pul-ease! I’m sure Delta had a good chuckle over that.

    He got a few things right…but that doesn’t mean everything he wrote was true. In case anything turns up in this area, we can always go back to it.

  98. Ken,

    To save you further grief, I believe you have burned your bridges here.

  99. Ken–What in the world are you talking about?
    Where is this new information that you say has well over 1,090 hits on Google?
    Why don’t you just post the link here?
    What’s your point?

  100. venice // August 11, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Hi Venice,

    I somehow don’t think that English is the first language, for some reason.

    Makes no sense whasoever…

  101. ‘Whatsoever.’

    I’m having a ‘spell’ tonight.

  102. twe
    Ken–What in the world are you talking about?
    I missing the point too.

  103. Sue K,

    I believe its all part of the cover-up. Trust me they know exactly what we’re saying.

    I’ve seen this so many times already.

  104. Ken…I googled Barry Soetoro, but I have no idea what you’re referring to. Can you just tell us? thanks

  105. I think Obama is desperate to get this health plan passed. It is a benchmarck for him. Failure to pass it could mean the turn in his shameful political career.

    The bag of dirty tricks Obama will be pulling are just beginning. Stacking his town hall meetings, demonizing any opposition, and lying about what is in the bill are just a few of the tricks we are seeing. It is going to get really ugly.

    I hope the opposition to the health care plan remains steadfast and makes it very clear to all the incumbant politicians who plan to run for reelection they won’t get one vote if they pass that disgustinng bill!

  106. I would like everybody to take notice how much time and attention Ken has already taken up. It’s a game folks, that’s all it is.

  107. If you choose to: read the entire chapter 18 of John’s revelation…and see what you think of the description of a nation whose colors are ‘scarlet, linen, and purple’ (red, white, and blue?). You may think that’s ‘out there’…and maybe it is; or maybe it isn’t.
    Fire away if your reading results in some questions.
    I pray the eyes of your heart will be opened.
    Sincerely, just ‘a watchman’.

  108. Barry Soetero Fraud

    It’s too bad the Republican party is so weakened or maybe fraud Obama would have been derailed prior to his fraud ridden election. The best we can do now is keep drawing attention to his fraud all the way up to 2012.

  109. For all of those who can’t get into Orly’s site.
    « Go to all of the townhall meetings, demand your congressman or senator bring Obama’s illegitimacy to the judicial committee hearing, demand that he join as an additional plaintiffKenyan birth certificate is real
    Anonymouse Submitted on 2009/08/11 at 3:08am
    Orly, I firmly believe your Kenyan Certified Copy of Registration of [Obama’s] Birth is authentic. MUCH evidence has been found that shows the Bomford CCRB is a hoax.
    Look at posts 1444 and 1445 on this Free Republic page. The six layers strongly suggest that someone began with a basic South Australian CCRB form and covered specific sections of the form with different text, deriving the information from that posted in the Bomford family’s genealogy page. (Delete spaces so link will work):
    ht tp :// ww w.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?q=1&;page=1401#1444
    For a close-up of the third layer — the one that says “FATHER” — go to this Free Republic post no. 51:
    ht tp :// ww w.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307802/posts?page=51#51
    The URL for the image itself is at:
    ht tp :// img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Finklestink/Fold.jpg
    See that the word “FATHER” is straight, almost like floating above the fold’s crease in the page, and does NOT get distorted with the crease? That is more evidence that the Bomford CCRB is a hoax.
    The logical conclusion is that someone, or a team, quickly created, or altered, the Bomford CCRB in order to make it appear to be authentic and thereby make the Kenyan CCRB appear to be fraudulently copied from the Bomford.
    In fact, the allegedly fraudulent Bomford CCRB makes the Kenyan CCRB appear to be authentic.
    And is it a coincidence that “the folks at Politjab who found the Bomford template now have found the spoofer”? Read this Free Republic post:
    ht tp :// ww w.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2310979/posts
    Don’t give up, Orly . . . RIGHT is on your side!

  110. usapatriots-shout,

    Desperate indeed! But don’t underestimate him, there’s little that he won’t resort to to get his way.

    This is why the Sinclair story is so important. It is a microcosm of the larger story.

  111. Re-do, the correct term for that book is the Revelation of Yahushua the Messiah.
    It starts out: A Revelation of Yahushua messiah (aka Jesus)….which it was revealed to John, meaning John the divine.

    Also, those colors in the Scriptures stand for royal colors. But when it’s referring to Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots, it’s a reference to false religion.

  112. TRUTH EXISTS——————————–
    Thank you you being a teacher & Att., & I’m far from that ///hopefull many others see read & as you no lots on those many pages vidios ect. .

  113. These MEDIA MORONS go on about a Citizen with a Legal gin LONGER THAN THEY HAVE SPENT on O’JOKER’s background or his Eligibility.

    What’s teh problem with this man havign a LEGAL gun? Cops carry guns are they gonna do a story on that too?

  114. Another day as obama world turns

  115. Dear CW,
    I don’t post here very often, but I always read your blog. Thank you so much for doing this work about the Chicago politics with Blago, Rezko and Kenya Boy. You are splendid, and I appreciate it so much. God bless You. God Bless Our Patriots, and God Bless America.

  116. ReDo and Kitty Kat–Yes, I read through (keep several Bibles at my side). There are all kinds of interpretations of Revelation. Any country or person could be Babylon. The basic point is–amend your life, you know neither the hour nor the moment (when your time–and the end of the world– will come…and it can come even to the rich and powerful).

  117. venice // August 11, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    OK, Venice-I’ll take your word for it.

    It looks as if ignoring is the way to go.

  118. this corruption is unsustainable, we need to have stimucorrupt bill, its 5,000 pages long and 1,00 page amendments. It is filled with ways to arrest these corrupt people who’s gone to the darkside arrest should take place asap

  119. Ken–
    Where are you?

    Are you in Indonesia?
    Are you in Kenya?

    If you are serious, please be clear about your comments.

    If you don’t know how, just post the link here,
    or put the connection here,
    or put the words here that we need to put into the search on Google.

    Where do we click?

    Thank you. Gracias. Merci. Danke Shoen. Shi shay.

    Habla espanol?

    Parle vous Francais?

  120. twe-Thank you Ken I just don’t know what he is attempting to say.

  121. Look this Skolnick is a vicious anti-Catholic baiter, in my opinion, blames the assasination of 7 presidents on the Jesuits…as a Jew he certainly was no friend of Catholics, claims Kennedy was assasinated by the Jesuits…in another piece says Kennedy was assasinated by the Oil Cartel…which is it?

    He’s a gossip…not everything he says is true, but everything he says is designed to shock and get your attention, for that is the nature of gossip…

    NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFO, folks…
    __________________________________

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say he’s not a reliable source. Anyone who put 20 “judges” and over 40 “attorneys” away, and caused TWO Supreme Court Justices to resign with his investigative work is not exactly what I would call an unreliable source.

    I’m sure some of what he’s wrote is not all 100% accurate, but it’s very evident that a lot of what he has investigated and reported on was accurate.

    So don’t be so quick to disregard all of his investigate work as “unreliable”.

    There is a very good chance that what we have read today has a lot of truth to it

  122. TWE, that’s for writing, but in my research, the Scriptures interpret themselves. No doubt the whole world is in the Babylonian system, but the “harlot” (a woman) stands for religious system, specifically false religion. There are two themes of women in the Bible, the good woman is Yahweh’s women, his assembly in all the places that they are in. The other woman, the harlot, is false religion. What does Babylon mean anyway? It means confusion.

  123. Testing

  124. TO: kittycat // August 11, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Get this from Atlas Shrugs:

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/-obamas-thugs-to-visit-your-home-to-check-on-how-youre-raising-your-kids.html

    “Obamacare, page 838: ‘Home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children’… (hat tip Carl)

    ============

    For 1000s of yrs Humans were able to raise their children just fine and NEVER once were on the LIE-berals extinction list (not even during the Deluge) NOW we need Erosionists invading our privacy and family to tell us hwo to raise children? Now onder they want to kill off granny so we don’r learn how to raise children the RIGHT WAY.

    Time to WEED the Political Garden.

  125. TO:
    JeffM // August 11, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Although this is interesting dialogue, I believe we need a firm Patriot communication network.

    ==================

    I’m with you and have mentioned this many times before. We need to move on that quickly because soon the net maybe jammed.

  126. TO:
    twe // August 11, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Thank you. Gracias. Merci. Danke Shoen. Shi shay.

    ==========================
    And of course Portuguese, the 6th most spoken language: OBRIGADO

  127. Michelle

    Orly only has the picture of a fake birth certificate. They’re all fakes, Berg admitted on the radio that he fell for a hoax certificate and he lost some money as well…………

  128. Civis Naturaliter Natus (August 6, 2009 at 3:54 am, in citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/obama-patrick-fitzgerald-august-5-2009-attorney-general’s-advisory-committee-obama-indictment-in-jeopardy-nixon-fired-special-prosecutor-archibald-cox/ thread) said:

    === I did look again. And yes 10th of April has the number 1 and not the lower case L. Its seems to be the only number 1 on the page, all the others are letters l.

    That is an anomaly, and it argues that the Bomford BC original is authentic.

    Why?

    Because typewriters have the number 1, at least all the ones I used. But the Kenyan does not use the number 1 ever, only the lower case L. ===

    Have you ever seen a typewriter circa the year the Bomford purports to have been typed? I don’t know the exact year of this Royalite, but it looks like it’s vintage ’50s or ’60s. (I’m omitting the ht tp://s so this won’t forever be in moderation.)

    mrmartinweb.com/images/type/royalite.jpg

    – – – – – –

    This Olivetti sans 1 but with a zero is vintage ’50s.

    scottishpoetrylibrary.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/olivetti21.jpg

    – – – – – –

    A late ’50s Olympia typewriter has neither the 1 nor the zero, then in the ’60s at least one Olympia model had a number 1 but no zero:

    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Keyboard_on_a_typewriter.jpg

    – – – – – –

    Here’s another typewriter with no 1 but a 0.

    bbk.ac.uk/cnzs/images/DonorTypewriter.JPG/

    – – – – – –

    Smith-Corona, vintage 1960s

    patternoflife.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dsc_00021.jpg

    – – – – – –

    For write-ups about Bomford-era typewriters, google for this line:
          typewriter “no one key” OR “no 1 key”

    – – – – – –

    Then you said:

    === Its quicker to forge, by using only the lower case L, and it is quicker to type using the lower case L, but other than that this observation does not seem to tip the scales much either way… ===

    If you yourself were forging the year 1959 or 1964, it would be quicker for you to type the lower case ‘l’ and then reach up two levels to type the remaining three numbers?

    The Bomford’s numeric keys pose another problem. I can’t find even an IBM Selectric with numbers designed like those of the Bomford.

    stat.pitt.edu/stoffer/redsel.jpg

    Have you looked closely at the Bomford’s numbers? The 3, 5, 7, and 9 all have ‘tails’ (descenders) that swirl down below the baseline. Even the 4’s descender dips below the baseline. Those are a designer font’s numbers, known as old style. Those are used in the printing of books. I have never seen old style numbers on a typewriter, which makes me wonder if the Bomford’s type font was designed for computer imitation of a typewriter font . . . but the typographer got carried away and could not resist curving the numbers down below the baseline.

    Certainly there could be a typewriter brand out there that had old style numerals when none of its letters were as elegant. If you, or anyone, can find a vintage 1950s or 1960s — or even much later — typewriter with numbers designed like the Bomford’s, I hope you’ll post it here.

    Here’s something else to examine. If the Bomford is authentic, not fraudulent, why does its word ‘FATHER’ not bend with the document’s fold? Why does it appear to float, in all its perfection, above the fold?

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Finklestink/Fold.jpg

    Yet another point . . . look at the Bomford’s descenders — the ‘tails’ of the g, p, and y. They are shortened, scrinchy! That is a trick of COMPUTER font designers so that there will be less leading, less space, between the lines of type. When more lines can fit on a page, book and magazine publishers can spend less on paper.

    In my opinion, the Bomford typeface — mixing long numeral descenders with midget letter descenders — is a yucky design, not one I would even accept as a gift let alone buy.

    Is the Bomford an authentic 1960s document? Not to me, it isn’t.

    But I cannot find a single anomaly in the Kenyan document, so I firmly believe it is authentic and that the Obots hastily constructed their Bomford version by using the information in the Bomford site’s detailed genealogy.

    One more observation . . . why was Politjab, the website that published the ‘discovery’ of the Bomford, the same identical website that published the ‘confession’ of the ‘spoofer’? How many websites are on the Web? Yet both discoveries came from one leftist website?

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2310979/posts

    ——————

    Michelle (August 11, 2009 at 10:20 pm), I just now saw your post. If I’d seen it before writing this one, I would’ve saved myself some time and effort. LOL

  129. TO:

    KEN.

    GOOGLE is flooded with Barry Soetoro what do you want us to find.

    Tell us: MORE INFO NEEDED.

    What you are telling us so far we have known for over ONE YEAR.

  130. Obrigado Peter. Of course, I should have included it.

    …and Shukria…and Spassibo…and Grazie.

  131. Ken–maybe he is having a language issue. Perhaps he posted something anonymously and can’t identify himself with it. Perhaps he is referring to Google in another country.

  132. KEN, is just trying ot get us to waste time away from our important work to go look for a piece of straw in a haystack because there is no needle there.

    KEN GIVE UP we are not fools and won’t fall for stupid human tricks.

    Moving right along.

  133. Looks like Orly is having trouble with the Major Cook case!

    This is a clip from what she has written on her site below…

    US District Judge Richard A Lazarra from the Middle District of FL, Tampa division, refused to hear the case. We have filed a Rule 59 motion for re- hearing and a motion to recuse Judge Lazarra, as one showing bias. We attached a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate to show urgency of the matter.
    Something totally unbelievable happened. Lazarra denied both motions immediately and put his actual orders, his reasoning under seal. He refuses to show to the plaintiff Major Cook and to me, as his attorney, his actual orders- those are sealed, secret. This is a total travesty of justice and a total and complete insanity, this is a behavior that can happen only in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. How can I appeal his decision if he refuses to show me the orders, his reasoning.

  134. The South,

    For a judge to behave this way means he is under major threat, to himself and possibly his family. Nothing else could explain the speed, nor the manner with which he/she did this.

    This is very serious and increasingly the judicial and political structures all seem to behaving according to mob rules.

  135. Don’t remember if CW had this before!!

    In Allen v. Soetoro, apparently the White House has accepted service for Soetoro (according to this link):

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5550296508&topic=11680&post=104090&_fb_noscript=1

  136. The Hong KOng government will press on with a program of drug tests for students despite signs of growing opposition and worries about privacy laws being breached.

    The scheme is set to be launched as a pilot program at 23 secondary schools in Tai Po in December, with a review of progress in the middle of next year. The main thrust of the scheme is to provide counseling for those who test positive.

    But social workers have joined the Catholic Church in taking a stand against it, and Privacy Commissioner Roderick Woo Bun has said under-18s may not have the capacity to consent to tests and that the law does not allow parents or guardians to agree on their behalf.

    Permanent Secretary for Education Raymond Wong Hung-chiu said yesterday the government is also concerned about privacy, which is why the Department of Justice was consulted before the government went public with its plans. And the testing will conform with the law, he insisted.

    A spokesman for the Education Bureau said Woo has been contacted about his concerns. Bureau officials, along with the Security Bureau’s Narcotics Division, will soon explain to him plans for protecting privacy.

    Wong is also confident there will not be lawsuits once the program begins because “we will explain to parents and students the reason for collecting the data and how they will be used. The government will put in place measures to protect personal data.”

    Wong’s views received a measure of support from Hong Kong University assistant professor Eric Cheung Tat- ming. The Privacy Ordinance does not come into play, he said, as students have the right to refuse to be tested. Still, students should sign agreements to clarify their consent, and schools must explain how data will be used.

    Social workers, meanwhile, worry that students identified as drug abusers will face expulsion or discrimination by school management.

    Social welfare lawmaker Cheung Kwok-chu said more than half of 500 social workers polled see an invasion of privacy. They also feel that disclosure of test results should not rest with school authorities.

    Deputy Secretary for Education Betty Ip Tsang Chui-hing and Commissioner for Narcotics Sally Wong Pik-yee have already talked with school-based social workers in Tai Po about their roles in the scheme, but what was said has not be revealed.

    Principals, including those from several religious schools, yesterday reconfirmed a commitment to testing. “If we chicken out now, nothing can be done,” said Buddhist Hui Yuan College principal Sung Lim-ping. “So we should take the first step.”

    Confucian Ho Kwok Pui Chun College board member Elaine Lee Bik-wah said: “In secondary education, privacy is not our main concern. It will do them good if we insist on this and be strict.”

    The Catholic Church, however, continues to disapprove, with vicar- general Yeung Ming-cheung describing drug testing as negative.

    Education Is a better alternative, he said.

    香港仔時昌迷你倉

  137. http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

    This from the best and brightest of the left. Jump past “I don’t have buyer’s remorse”. After this first denial, she actually tells it as it is.

  138. ARMY D.A.V. (August 11, 2009 at 11:01 pm) said:

    === Orly only has the picture of a fake birth certificate. They’re all fakes, Berg admitted on the radio that he fell for a hoax certificate and he lost some money as well………… ===

    But was Berg’s hoax the same certificate as Orly’s?

    According to reports, soon after Orly posted her certificate, some Obots redirected her copy of the certificate to other versions of it. Whether that’s fact, I don’t know. But I think the closest a seeker can get to Orly’s original version (which was a JPEG, consequently lossy) is the copy at PACER, which, unless corrupted by some Obots, has been preserved by Acrobat.com aka Share.Acrobat.com. If your monitor’s brightness and contrast are near the max, you can see the PACER information at the page top.

    https://share.acrobat.com/adc/adc.do?docid=adc629e5-d94b-4bab-8988-13d274db22a1

  139. What does the Hong Kong government have to do with the price of gas this week?

  140. WOW the CATHOLIC CHURCH has BALLS in CHINA but is castrated in USA?

  141. SueK,

    I ask myself the same question?

  142. TO:
    SueK // August 11, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    ======================

    I can see some relevance. The Red Commies are doing in Hong Kong what Half White Commie wants to do in USA

  143. ORLY needs to do like the ACLU and LIE-berals do…SHOP JUDGES look for a Conservative Judge

  144. PRWH,

    Orly could try, but Conservative judges could be bought and paid for, or worse blackmailed. I have no idea what the next step might be.

  145. venice // August 11, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    I don’t know, Venice-my eyes must be really going at this hour; there have been a few tonight, haven’t there?

    PRWH Peter, sorry, but I don’t see the relevance of drug testing in Hong Kong at all, but maybe it’s me.

  146. truthbetold11

    sue k to bad i didnt make the 90 mile dr up to portsmouth nh to listen to the usurper but he seems to discredit himself very nicely everytime he speaks.

  147. Didnt I read where a lot of military would follow in Maj Cook’s shoes. Need to get many suits going!

  148. Sue K,

    Yes there have been. I was even wondering how to you address a post whose name you can’t even copy.

  149. Rush’s play by play of the ursurper meeting was pathatic, unpresidential and on and on. Lie after lie.

  150. NEVER EVER, EVER, GIVE UP.

    Things are coming our way every day.
    The mighty have fallen before and so too this shall be, soon I say.

  151. 迷你倉 // August 11, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Thanks for the news. It appears we are seeing a massive global front of tyranny. How far and how wide remains to be seen.

  152. Peter,

    Can’t disagree with you there. As Churchill said…

  153. Rocknee,

    You’ll never see a draft for sure. Everyone will just pull a Cook on them. LOL!

  154. Jeff M.

    Silly me. There is always the copy mode.

  155. It is getting late and I am tired.

  156. truthbetold11

    Jesus made a whip went into the temple and cleared the money changers this is my fathers house .Jesus had righteous anger. Same thing with this health care anger people have righteous anger and can’t be bought off

  157. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Anonymouse & Michelle,

    The arguments against the Bomford fonts are unsound.

    First of all, I have amply demonstrated with the help of others on this blog, that there are 2 Bomford BC images, the original from Bomford net. and a modified one, which can be dissasembled in Photoshop Elements, and a third in the negative. The second was uploaded, I believe, by the forger himself, by mistake and inhaste, during the height of the controversy.

    As for fonts, that post amply shows that some typewriters had the number 1 but not a zero; but none of them show what typewriters in South Australia have for fonts. I’d expect a colonial holdover, kept in good condition and rarely used, to have some elegant fonts.

    The alleged fonts floating over cracks, is false. I have at least 7 times examined these claims in photoshop with the Bomford BC jpg from Bomford Net and in every case there is noticeable distortion. The reason that the distortion is irregular, is that not all the folds are consistent, as with the Kenyan BC; because the Bomford seems to be folded without care; a forger folds with care…

    As for those who want to assert the Kenyan BC is not a forgery, you have to explain the inexplainable:

    1) E F Lavender, secretary for the Clerks Union in Victoria in 1914, having the same name as the district registrar in Mombasa in 1964.

    2) There are to Millers, who work with 2 Lavenders…in British Dominion offices

    3) Mombasa was not part of Kenya until 1964, but part of Zanzibar, and as such did not belong to the Kenyan Coast Province or region

    4) The Kenyan BC has fewer irregularities in its fonts: (I’d bet you find that those fonts are from an American typewritter…) but same exact form as the Australian, when published images of BCs from Kenya, show that in line with the custom of Arabic writing, Kenyan Dominion BCs had the titles to each entry on the LEFT not the RIGHT. Zanzibar’s official language was Arabic and Swahili, I believe, so this tradition should prevail there too.

    5) Both Richard Bomford and David Jeffrey Bomford attest to the authenticity of the Bomford BC image, and to its existence before 2007.

    6) Finally, I have a friend that followed Berg’s cases, Leo’s cases and Plains radio, and he says he saw this Kenyan BC image in the same setting on red cloth, more than 6 months ago…

  158. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Venice,

    No, the Judges in FL are known to be nasty and crooked. He sealed his reasons, because he has none…

    Jbjd,

    Cannot Orly now appeal the decision to seal the reasons, on the ground that they obstruct Cooks due process rights, and then when unsealed, file an appeal on the merits…?

  159. CNN,

    Your comment supports my point.

  160. Ken,

    I need an Alka Selzer.

    all of the Barry Soetoro stuff..

    do u know what I mean?

  161. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://birthers.org/misc/logic.htm

    concludes by saying that filing a false statement is grounds for arrest, and that any policeman in AZ can arrest Barry when he’s instate…

    Can you be arrested for filign a false form?

    Does there have to be a warrent first?

  162. I would report that Judge to the Court Ethics Overseeing Entity in Florida

  163. truthbetold11 // August 12, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I was thinking the same thing, TBT11, but I thought that with things as they are lately, I’d probably get arrested for exercising my First Amendment rights. I do tend to have a mouth on me; it’s better that I stayed put, yelled at the computer and threw the F Bomb, as appropriate.

    Gotta get it out of the system somehow.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Good night, Venice…I couldn’t even figure out the little squares….

  164. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Anonymouse,

    by spreading those false claims against the Bomford BC, you are doing Obots’ work in deceiving Orly…

    Have you been paid by Obama to convince Orly to refiled the Motion for Rogatory Discovery so that you or someone else can then file a complaint to the CA Bar Association against Orly for fililng a known forged document?

    You nick, does not convince me you are an honest person, to boot…

  165. Good night Sue.

  166. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 12, 2009 at 12:55 am

    ================

    I don’t think any charges can be brought vs Orly if she believes it is a legit Doc, PLUS she is asking the court for help to see if it is legit NOT introducing it as a legit Doc. Totally diff things.

  167. Venice, you are right. I wouldn’t put anything past Ozero either– or his equally viscious staff. That is why I mentioned their bag of dirty tricks. I believe between now and the time Congress reconvenes we are in for a truly ugly time. These next couple of months are critical!

    Here is a letter to Barbara Boxer from a pilot in Alaska that sums up his frustration and I honestly believe all of our frustration with our elected officials:

    Some of us witnessed the arrogance of Barbara Boxer (CA) as she admonished a brigadier general because he addressed her as “ma’am” and not “Senator” before a Senate hearing. This letter is from a National Guard aviator and Captain for Alaska Airlines. I wonder what he would have said if he were really angry. Long fly Alaska !!!!!

    You were so right on when you scolded the general on TV for using the term, “ma’am,” instead of “Senator”. After all, in the military, “ma’am” is a term of respect when addressing a female of superior rank or position. The general was totally wrong.. You are not a person of superior rank or position. You are a member of one of the world’s most corrupt organizations, the U.S. Senate, equalled only by the U.S. House of Representatives.

    Congress is a cesspool of liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals, and other low level swine who, as individuals (not all, but many), will do anything to enhance their lives, fortunes and power, all at the expense of the People of the United States and its Constitution, in order to be continually re-elected. Many democrats even want American troops killed by releasing photographs. How many of you could honestly say, “We pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor”? None? One? Two?

    Your reaction to the general shows several things. First is your abysmal ignorance of all things military. Your treatment of the general shows you to be an elitist of the worst kind. When the general entered the military (as most of us who served) he wrote the government a blank check, offering his life to protect your derriere, now safely and comfortably ensconced in a 20 thousand dollar leather chair, paid for by the general’s taxes. You repaid him for this by humiliating him in front of millions.

    Second is your puerile character, lack of sophistication, and arrogance which borders on the hubristic. This display of brattish behavior shows you to be a virago, termagant, harridan, nag, scold or shrew, unfit for your position, regardless of the support of the unwashed, uneducated masses who have made California into the laughing stock of the nation.

    What I am writing, Senator, are the same thoughts countless millions of Americans have toward Congress, but who lack the energy, ability or time to convey them. Under the democrats, some don’t even have the 44 cents to buy the stamp. Regardless of their thoughts, most realize that politicians are pretty much the same, and will vote for the one who will bring home the most bacon, even if they do consider how corrupt that person is. Lord Acton (1834 – 1902) so aptly charged, “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Unbeknownst to you and your colleagues, “Mr. Power” has had his way with all of you, and we are all the worse for it.

    Finally Senator, I, too, have a title. It is “Right Wing Extremist Potential Terrorist Threat.” It is not of my choosing, but was given to me by your Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano. And you were offended by “ma’am”?

    Have a fine day. Cheers!
    Jim Hill 16808 – 103rd Avenue Court East South Hill, WA 98374

    Please circulate this to remind every voter that the “cesspools” MUST be pumped out when we go to the polls in November, 2010. Honoring and respecting the voters is a thing of the past for many of those in our congress and senate.We need to vote their arrogant, self serving asses out of office if America is to get on the long road back from the devastation that these self serving cowards have brought upon us!
    WE NEED DIVINE INTERVENTION

  168. CNN,
    What do you think? Would Judge Carter in Santa Ana be able to hear Maj. Cook’s case, even though he lives in Florida? Perhaps Orly might add him in with the other members of the military in her cases?
    This is such distressing news. I can’t wait for Orly to get back. I want to see a court date!!
    Thank you CNN.

  169. STEP RIGHT UP LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AND TELL US WHICH ONE IS YOUR FAVORITE:

    http://www.upyoursobama.com/

  170. Civis Naturaliter Natus (August 12, 2009 at 12:19 am):

    === First of all, I have amply demonstrated with the help of others on this blog, that there are 2 Bomford BC images, the original from Bomford net. and a modified one, which can be dissasembled in Photoshop Elements, and a third in the negative. The second was uploaded, I believe, by the forger himself, by mistake and inhaste, during the height of the controversy. ===

    Will you post, for instance at Share.Acrobat.com, the two images and evidence of their creation and modification dates?

    === As for fonts, that post amply shows that some typewriters had the number 1 but not a zero; but none of them show what typewriters in South Australia have for fonts. I’d expect a colonial holdover, kept in good condition and rarely used, to have some elegant fonts. ===

    Do you consider a font with long, curving numerical descenders and very short, stubby alphabetic descenders elegant? Another oddity, the Bomford font’s numbers are sans serif and its letters have serifs! In my opinion, that font’s design is notably inconsistent. I have done my share of computer typesetting (for a fee, not as a hobby), and of the hundreds of both computer fonts and historical fonts I’ve looked at, I have never seen one like the Bomford’s bizarre Mutt & Jeff.

    === The alleged fonts floating over cracks, is false. I have at least 7 times examined these claims in photoshop with the Bomford BC jpg from Bomford Net and in every case there is noticeable distortion. The reason that the distortion is irregular, is that not all the folds are consistent, as with the Kenyan BC; because the Bomford seems to be folded without care; a forger folds with care… ===

    Again, are you willing to post the image with ample identification?

    A skilled forger folds in accordance with the impression he wants to convey. If you yourself folded a document carefully, would that be evidence you are a forger? Or might it evince that you are by nature a careful folder? Or that you worked in an office and necessarily folded the office papers carefully?

    === As for those who want to assert the Kenyan BC is not a forgery, you have to explain the inexplainable:

    1) E F Lavender, secretary for the Clerks Union in Victoria in 1914, having the same name as the district registrar in Mombasa in 1964.

    2) There are to Millers, who work with 2 Lavenders…in British Dominion offices ===

    Have you ever looked at names in 1914 and 1964 censuses to find out who descended from whom and who inherited his ascendant’s name? How many duplicate names have you seen in telephone books . . . unless you live in Pokunk. 🙂

    === 3) Mombasa was not part of Kenya until 1964, but part of Zanzibar, and as such did not belong to the Kenyan Coast Province or region ===

    I read the explanation for that, but am too tired to go look for it, so I’ll pass on that one.

    === 4) The Kenyan BC has fewer irregularities in its fonts: (I’d bet you find that those fonts are from an American typewritter…) but same exact form as the Australian, when published images of BCs from Kenya, show that in line with the custom of Arabic writing, Kenyan Dominion BCs had the titles to each entry on the LEFT not the RIGHT. Zanzibar’s official language was Arabic and Swahili, I believe, so this tradition should prevail there too. ===

    Did trade between the U.S. and Kenya exist at the time the Kenyan typewriter was bought?

    The forms are not the same. The Bomford has a redundant block asking for the informant’s signature, description, and residence. Would an authentic form ask for the identical information twice? Would you yourself design a form with redundancies? If so, why?

    Since the data was in English, and not in Arabic, why should the Kenyans have designed its English form to read from right to left? Why should forms be designed anomalously?

    As far as a local tradition prevailing, the global language is and has been English. Have you read any of the minutes of government meetings held in Kenya, like the one where they stated Obama is a “son of the [Kenyan] soil”? The ones I’ve read, and government documents on file (like the one rebuking Obama for his political interference and disparagement of Kenya’s government when he visited his cousin Raila Odinga) are in English.

    === 5) Both Richard Bomford and David Jeffrey Bomford attest to the authenticity of the Bomford BC image, and to its existence before 2007. ===

    Are they leftists? Are they in Obama’s tank? Have they been bribed? Do you have a verifiable answer to at least one of those questions?

    === 6) Finally, I have a friend that followed Berg’s cases, Leo’s cases and Plains radio, and he says he saw this Kenyan BC image in the same setting on red cloth, more than 6 months ago… ===

    Did he provide you with a link to that image? Without verification, it’s hearsay.

  171. Donewithcliques

    I have been lurking here for well over a year. This will be my first and most likely last post.

    All you people do is chat chat over mostly nonsense. You ignore contributions made from new posters, without comment. There was a very interesting one posted this weekend that was completely ignored.

    Is it because the regulars feel empowered? Before you discount that question – rethink it. Citizen Wells has tried a great experiment. A blog with mostly unmoderated commentary. That only works as long as the commentators have not taken over the blog. Wells, that has happened here.

    There is only a conversation going on amongst the regulars, with no room for new input.

    Your numbers may be up – I saw some bragging versus Freepers – but that can only go so long.

    I much prefer Donofrio’s site – where posters must stay on topic or he deletes them

    I do not imagine that Wells will adopt such a policy, but the clique of regular posters might be more welcoming to newcomers.

    The impression many of you leave is that you want to be noticed more than you want to save the country. I hope that plan will not work.

    I tried. You can listen to me or not. I used to love reading what was posted here. My work is done.

  172. SONG ..this about Barry Soetoro the alka Selzer ?

  173. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Anonymouse,

    I have seen the Obot technique before at TRSOL, so I recognize your attempt at a rebuttal, mixed with ad hominems…

    You should consider my objections with a calm mind, if you are honest, not with flippent hypotheticals…

    You have no human testimony to back your assertions other than your own, and as I said, your arguments are as valid as your Nick. If you want to participate in a mature manner, get a mature nick…you can’t expect me to have an adult discussion with an Anony-mouse…!

    As for your one observation: the form which has the second entry for a verified witness, actually is the real one; because 2 real men, Bomfords, said so; and you can do a white page search in Australia and call them up and ask them. I need not refute the rest of your hash, accordingly, just because you are too lazy and immature to pick up a phone…

  174. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    live oak,

    CA Federal courts do not have jurisdiction over men who are fired in FL…think about it…

  175. Civis Naturaliter Natus (August 12, 2009 at 12:55 am) accuses:

    === by spreading those false claims against the Bomford BC, you are doing Obots’ work in deceiving Orly… ===

    Now WHY does the defender of Obot forgery — the defender of the Bomford hoax — accuse me of trying to deceive the person who is giving her all, and risking her life, to give America back to Americans?

    === Have you been paid by Obama to convince Orly to refiled the Motion for Rogatory Discovery so that you or someone else can then file a complaint to the CA Bar Association against Orly for fililng a known forged document? ===

    You know what, Civis Naturaliter Natus? I will not dignify your bizarre ad hominem attack with an answer.

    === You nick, does not convince me you are an honest person, to boot… ===

    Why do you think your opinion of me matters to me??

  176. Civis Naturaliter Natus (August 12, 2009 at 3:19 am):

    === you can’t expect me to have an adult discussion with an Anony-mouse…! ===

    If you need an excuse to retreat from this discussion, my alias being inferior to your alias is as good an evasion as any.

  177. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Pick up a phone and give it a break…mouse…

    But as your nick being inferior to my, tu id dixisti …

  178. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    === Have you been paid by Obama to convince Orly to refiled the Motion for Rogatory Discovery so that you or someone else can then file a complaint to the CA Bar Association against Orly for fililng a known forged document? ===

    ————

    Mouse,

    If you think that is bizarre, you are totally uninformed, because several frivolous complaints have already been filed.

    do a google search, and read, before putting an American Patriot in danger by false counsel…

    This is not a football game or a rugby match…

    Grow up…

  179. Civis Naturaliter Natus
  180. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Send Judge Lazarra your thoughts:

    http://www.flmd.uscourts.gov/judicialInfo/Tampa/JgLazzara.htm

    The Honorable Richard A. Lazzara
    United States District Judge
    Tampa Division

    TEL: 813-301-5350
    FAX: 813-301-5359

    Official Biography:

    JUDGE LAZZARA received his B.A. degree in 1967 from Loyola University of the South and his J.D. from the University of Florida College of Law in 1970. Judge Lazzara served as an Assistant County Solicitor and as an Assistant State Attorney for Hillsborough County from 1970 through 1973. He then entered the private practice of law in Tampa until his election to the Hillsborough County Court in 1986. In 1987 Governor Martinez appointed him to the Circuit Court of the Thirteenth Judicial Circuit and he was elected to a full term without opposition in 1988. In 1993 Governor Chiles appointed him to the Second District Court of Appeal where he served through October of 1997. On November 1, 1997, Judge Lazzara was sworn in as a United States District Judge where he continues to serve in the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division.

  181. Anonymous said?

    “Now WHY does the defender of Obot forgery — the defender of the Bomford hoax — accuse me of trying to deceive the person who is giving her all, and risking her life, to give America back to Americans?”

    Seems to me, as a casual observer that CNN also challenged JBJD the same way?

    Hmm

  182. CNN said? “This is not a football game or a rugby match…”

    rugby?

    hmmm

  183. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Song,

    You name should be “hummmm”. Grow up..

  184. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    PATRIOT NETWORK NOTICE

    I have a friend whose been following this eligibility issue from the beginning, and he’s fed up with all the propaganda from the MSM.

    He’s interested in recruiting Constitutionalist, Article II patriots, who are willing to pick up the phone, go to libraries, and do actual investigative reporting, who would be willing to collaborate in the start up of a on-line news journal, without the spin, as contributing journalists and reporters, in every medium, text, video, audio.

    If you are interested, go to

    http://workingroup.wordpress.com

    I am not collaborating, there, because I don’t have the time. But there are a lot of patriots on this site, who are excellent writers and thinkers and researchers. Maybe you can.

    Spread the word…but please keep it off Freepers..

  185. “THERE IS ONE THING MORE DANGEROUS THAN RUSSIA AND ALL HER ARMIES-NATIONAL BANKRUPTCY” – Dwight David Eisenhower

  186. WHERE IS OldSalt?

  187. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Haven’t seen him in days…probably at the beach…

  188. THANKS CNN. JUST CHECKING.

  189. I’ve not seen WND rise to Farah’s claims for documentation..so far only circumstantial stuff….

    My take on the BC issue so far is, summarized thus:

    1) Obama actually does not have a long form vault BC, hospital generated, like the Nordyke Twins do

    2) He has an at home birth affidavit, signed by Grandma Dunham

    3) These at home birth affidavits, as I understand, ask the baby’s race

    4) It lists mother and child a white

    5) It lists the Lefforge’s home as the birth site

    6) It bears no attestation by Father or Mother

    7) After divorce in 1964, a COLB is issued which had the info on the COLB found at Fact Check, with negro as the race.

    8) In 2007 this was modified, and now the race indicates African

    ————-

    Obama won’t release this information, not because he is hiding that he is not NBC — he openly declares the facts necessary to prove that he is not.

    No, he is hiding this info, because of his race politics…

    And because it puts in doubt his entire birth story, as he “penned” it…thus destroying his credibility…

  190. twe:
    Don’t remember if CW had this before!!

    In Allen v. Soetoro, apparently the White House has accepted service for Soetoro (according to this link):

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5550296508&topic=11680&post=104090&_fb_noscript=1

    Thank you for this post. I have often wondered about Soetoro usuing the alias Obama. I hope there is a case here. I believe it is totally illegal.

    twe, I am surprised there has been no responses to your post.

  191. FYI: ever wonder why ken wants posters at CW to Google barry soetoro’s name? Doesn’t google store IP addresses? Wouldn’t it be easy to pull a list of IPs during a certain time period?
    Just thinking out loud….

  192. BO is the biggest criminal usurper in the history of our nation. I don’t think we have had any president in the past who has committed such crimes as him. BO really should be arrested. He is not a real president since he is ineligible.

  193. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_failed_to_master_alinsky.html

    The Obama administration is getting caught in its own tangles.

  194. TO:
    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 12, 2009 at 7:52 am

    ============

    I appreciate what you have pitched in to contribute to the issues that we deal with that siad I don’t appreciate how you have “childishly” chastised people for their nicks. That is uncalled for. Stock to the issue please.

    I beleieve all of you have presented valid point and NOBODY has a monopoly on “FACTS”.

    Just because you talked to someone on the tel. really means very little. People do phone pranks all the time. Berme Madoff talked to people on tel all the time.

    Please don’t attack people and keep in mind that many times things aren’t as they seem… your firends could be your enemies and the ones that you may think are your allies are truly your enemies.

    Just my 5 cents.

  195. Sorry for the usual typos but this AM I had an excuse a finnicky baby on my lap. 🙂

  196. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    PF,

    I talked on the tel with someone I have known for years…someone that means more to my version of reality, that anything I read here: especially theories by immature people who have no idea of how to move from thought to reality and back again; because they are caught in a Cartesian universe where their ipse dixit is reality…

    Sorry, PF…I take a strong stand on this, because that’s the way the real world works…I’m not here to chat for my own inner personal needs…

  197. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Silver,

    I think you are on to something…

  198. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    YYYeeeessss!

    There are now more who dissapprove in toto, than approve…

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

  199. http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

    I posted this yesterday, but will repost. This author has tremendous pull with the left.

    It mostly deals with amateur antics of this administration regarding domestic policy. The left’s support is quickly evaporating and this is consistent with the tepid Dem support in Congress re: health care.

  200. Just logging on early in the a.m. so have not read many of the newer of teh 206 comments here.
    My first item was this from WND:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106654

    Only skimmed it far enough to notice the mention of “The Constitution Party”…as an alternative to the current two…that’s the first time I’ve ever read that in any ‘publication’.
    How does that sit with y’alls “Constitutionalists”?!
    ——————————————————-
    gonna go check out some comments and be back later….

  201. Hello everyone,

    Don’t know how many of you signed up for RedState e-mail updates. I you haven’t I would highly suggest it. It’s a quick easy way to stay informed with Headlines or in depth if you like.

    Here is a story from Today’s e-mail, it seems like ObamasCare Bill is again full of PORK (maybe he is not a Muslim after all if he likes pork so much). Money for Sidewalks, jungle gyms (I wonder if everyone will get one like the one at the white house):

    HEALTHCARE FACT OF THE DAY

    Billions in Pork Barrel Spending for ‘Community Transformation’ and ‘Beautification’

    Under the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee’s “Affordable Health Choices Act,” local governments can apply for “community transformation” grants to build jungle gyms, sidewalks, bicycle paths, and grocery stores, to install streetlights, and to establish new farmers’ markets.

    The dollar amount of these grants, and of the total “community transformation” earmark program, is left to the discretion of the Obama administration.

    Cities can also apply for “community makeover” grants, which can provide them with up to $10 per resident in taxpayer dollars for “beautifying streets.”

    Sen. Tom Coburn, MD (R-OK) sponsored an amendment to the HELP Committee bill that would have prevented any funds it made available from being used “to build, develop, or maintain sidewalks, parks, bike paths, or street lights.” The amendment was defeated by party-line vote.

    The “Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009,” the House of Representatives’ health overhaul legislation, also contains an earmark for these grants. The House bill sets the amount available for their funding at $1.6 billion.

    Sources: “Affordable Health Choices Act,” Title III, Subtitle C
    HR 3200, § 3151

    Please click here for the rest of the post.
    http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/12/1health-care-bill-fact-of-the-day-billions-in-pork-barrel-spending-for-community-transformation-and-beautification/?preview=true

  202. Re-do,

    Good to see you.

    I believe there alreaday is aConstitution Party.

  203. Found this on Drudge- by Norris yesterday- below is the jist of it:

    Dirty secret No. 1 in Obamacare is about the government’s coming into homes and usurping parental rights over child care and development.

    It’s outlined in sections 440 and 1904 of the House bill (Page 838), under the heading “home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children.” The programs (provided via grants to states) would educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills.

    The bill says that the government agents, “well-trained and competent staff,” would “provide parents with knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains … modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices,” and “skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development.”

    We are living in the Matrix right now.

  204. sadly, I find myself much in agreement with the 2:57 post…save for the few steady & reliables; you know who you are…
    adios, amigos…

  205. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002447.html

    As Axelrod states: “his instinct whenever there is controversy is to talk directly to the people”, yes the only real trick he has: try and charm them once again. It isn’t working.

  206. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    You know the 2:57 post is self contradictory.

    On the one hand he says posts should be about substance, and on the other hand he faults the posters here for not paying attention to the post of a newbie, as if this blog were about socializing…

    Sorry, don’t buy it…

    2:57 might like Leo’s Blog, but such a post would be deleted there…

    Be a bit mature: sometimes posts are not responded to by old timers, because the old timers know about these facts already.

    If a newbie has a lucid thought or new fact, he is always thanked and welcomed…that is the purpose here, sharing of information, first…if some of us socialize, well forgive us, we are humans…!

  207. (Congress). . . can make no law which will not have it’s full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as the great mass of people. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interests and sympathey of sentiments, of which few governments have funished examples, but without which every government degenerates into tyranny. James Madison

    The heart of the health care takeover. I am sending this to my beepin reps!

  208. TO: ms. helga // August 12, 2009 at 7:55 am

    Good morning. I ABSOLUTELY need your help with something that I thought of today.

    I believe this bunch of EROSIONISTS that we have today are some form of the following.

    KarmaMarxists (Karmarxists) my favorite.
    Karma Crooks (Krooks).
    Karma Benders
    Karma Reflectors
    Karma Frauds
    Karma Rubbers
    Karma Kryptons

    or ……………

    Here is how I arrived at this but haven’t really found a term yet to tie it all together.

    No matter how much Karma on them they seem to have the ability to reverse that Karma (by Hiring their co-conspirators in the Media fellow Erosionists) and try and use it against their enemies.

    Some examples:
    Nancy Pelosi chatising Bush’s Approval ratings when hers were less that half of his and MORONS believed her, because the Hired Media sold it.

    Mortgage debacle and proof of Dems chastising any attempt at regulation and then blaming Reps for no regulation.

    They had a majority in CONgress Bush’s last two yrs (Obama was there also) voting for all the crap that brought on our current situation but are somehow able to blame Bush and say they “Inherited this Mess”. What they inherited was what their majority VOTED for.

    They are falling apart and losing support every day yet they proclaim the GOP is at risk of demise.

    They have held the Presidency for 8.5 yrs of the last 28.5 yrs, less that half, yet act like they have won elections like crazy and Reps either stole them or been lucky.

    They use MOB THUG tactics and Bus People everyewhere and use PAID P{rofessional Protesters, Paid Bloggers and accuse others of doing it.

    They talk of being Uniters and Bi-Partisanship yet are the Most Partisan…even saying. “Get outta the way and SHUT UP” or ” get in their face if you have to” and “hit them back twice as hard”, etc.

    They have leadership that is hugely unpopular yet prop them up as great leaders.

    ETC., ETC.

    I am committed to Karma Marxists but willing to take input in a Uniting Bipartisan Way.

  209. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/health_care_its_personal.html

    Healthcare – its very personal and it matters like nothing else.

  210. Karma-chameleon?

  211. VOTE BUYING –

    http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_billionaire_feds_give_out_175m_to_aid_neediest_students_around_the_state_its_fre.html

    He made 1 BILLION $ in ONE day selling the British Pound short. He is not allowed to enter France.

  212. Jacqlyn Smith

    Don’t know if you all have gotten this or not…Major Cook needs our help….PASS THIS ON~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    From: Orly Taitz
    Subject: Important- Major Cook Case, Nazi Germany mode of behavior of Federal judge Richard A Lazarro
    To: “Orly Taitz”
    Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:20 PM

    As you know, I am an attorney for Major Cook, US army major, whose orders to go to Afghanistan were revoked when he demanded to verify legitimacy of Barack Hussein Obama for the position of Commander in Chief. Military has retaliated against major Cook by applying an enormous pressure on his employer Simtech, inc, a private defense contractor, to have him fired from his $120,000 job. We have responded by filing a legal action against Simtech, Robert Gates-secretary of defense and Obama, seeking reinstatement and damages.
    Originally the case was filed in GA, since Major Cook was supposed to be deployed from GA, however US District Judge in GA, Clay Land, responded by stating that he no longer had jurisdiction and recommended we refile in FL, where the plaintiff and the defendant Simtech reside.
    US District Judge Richard A Lazarra from the Middle District of FL, Tampa division, refused to hear the case. We have filed a Rule 59 motion for re- hearing and a motion to recuse Judge Lazarra, as one showing bias. We attached a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate to show urgency of the matter.
    Something totally unbelievable happened. Lazarra denied both motions immediately and put his actual orders, his reasoning under seal. He refuses to show to the plaintiff Major Cook and to me, as his attorney, his actual orders- those are sealed, secret. This is a total travesty of justice and a total and complete insanity, this is a behavior that can happen only in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia. How can I appeal his decision if he refuses to show me the orders, his reasoning. If this is allowed to continue, next they can take your houses in eminent domain and give you cents on a dollar and provide no answer, no reasoning; they can send you and your loved ones to FEMA camps behind the barbed wire and provide you no answer, no reasoning. Every decent American has to go to the White house, each and every Federal building, offices of congressmen and senators, state representatives and state senators and DEMAND IMMEDIATE JUDICIAL HEARINGS IN US AND STATE HOUSES OF REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATES OF THE ISSUE OF OBAMA’S ILLEGITIMACY FOR PRESIDENCY AND IMMEDIATE ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENAS FOR ALL OF OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS, DEMAND THE COURTS TO HEAR THE CASES OF OBAMA’S ILLEGITIMACY FOR PRESIDENCY, DEMAND REMOVAL FROM THE BENCH OF ALL OF THE GUTLESS AND CORRUPT JUDGES WHO REFUSE TO HEAR THIS MATTER, DEMAND REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE US ATTORNEYS, ATTORNEY GENERALS, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS AND ALL THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WHO REFUSE TO INVESTIGATE OBAMA’S ILLEGITIMACY FOR PRESIDENCY.

    Orly Taitz DDS Esq

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    Mission Viejo Ca 92691

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    ph. w 949-586-8110 c-949-683-5411
    fax 949-586-2082

  213. ms. helga,

    They’re putting out all the stops. I wonder what’s next.

  214. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    J.S.,

    They seeem to want to make a martyr of Cook..but the judges refusal to recuse himself and sealing his reasons, only confirms that he was fired on orders from Obama.

    The judge, by the way is a Clinton appointee…

  215. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Venice,

    I expect the following (sorry I am not an optimist):

    1) Puzzo’s case will be denied on Aug 17, on grounds that Kercher lacks standing

    2) Judge Carter will toss Orly’s case on Sept. 11 on proceedural grounds, or citing national security

    3) CA Bar will disbar Orly for the Kenyan BC, without sound reason

    4) March in DC in september will be greated by Brown Shirts, violence will be blamed on patriots

    5) Congress when it reconvenes will impose Death Care, and pass new security legislation to make it illegal to protest in presence of congressmen…

    ….

  216. Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 12, 2009 at 10:24 am –

    VERY SIMPLE -“ABSOLUTISTS”

  217. TO: Venice

    +============

    American Thinker articles needs to be read by all and passed on.
    For those that didn’t read it here is part of it to make it easier:

    Alinsky’s 12th Rule of Tactics: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

    You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his sudden agreement with your demand and saying, ‘You’re right – we don’t know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us.’
    Why is President Barack Obama suddenly drowning in a sea of widespread resistance to his centerpiece legislation? Because it has now become quite clear to Harry & Louise Q Citizen that this was a man without a “constructive alternative” to the out-of-control healthcare system he has badgered and rhetorically beaten bloody to a pulp.

    Obama himself, Organizer in Chief, had no plan. He proposed no plan to Congress. He has let committee after committee of witless tax-and-spend, haggard old liberals write the convoluted mess they’re calling healthcare reform, and has virtually done nothing for own his part but bash the insurance companies, the doctors and even the patients, who ask for individual control over their own life-and-death choices.

    This, dear readers, is the fundamental difference between an empty-suited celebrity and a nuts-and-bolts executive: flim-flam artistry vs. substance and real results.

    Barack Obama, the eternal campaigner, held a healthcare townhall, which even Helen Thomas and her just-as-liberal cohort, Chip Reid of CBS, called “orchestrated,” “tightly-controlled,” and seemingly “less transparent” than any previous White House occupants had ever dared. The questions posed to the President, it’s now quite obvious, must indeed be orchestrated because he is tasked with selling legislation that he himself has neither read nor understands. And the worst of this becoming-nastier-by-the-day conundrum is that the whole cockamamie plan is built upon a disastrously failed European-socialist model, which has proven again and again and again to raise costs, lower quality and ration care. The only real difference seems to be that the Democrats’ plan will allow those already at the table to reap even more profits than before, and we will be the ones footing the outrageous tab.

    The President trips over his explanations with one real gaffe after another because he utterly failed to master Alinsky #12 before we allowed his ascension to the power-perch in the highest office in the land.

    This Obama failure to form workable solutions to gigantic problems should come as no surprise to any American. When a supposedly literate public elects a man to the most powerful position in the universe upon a resume that would fit neatly upon the back of a postage stamp, the result is easily predicted long before Inaugural Day.

    Honey, even a nitwit knows that when a president must hire out his real job to 32 czars, he was never CEO material.

    When Saul Alinsky’s early observers voiced the concern that he was building a host of agitated mobs, who could be overtaken and controlled by a skillful “fascist demagogue,” those fears were well-founded.

    What happens when a stranger to one’s community comes in from nowhere and begins to ingratiate himself with the locals, with the sole intention of forming a political body of disgruntled folks, ready to demand from their government whatever the organizer tells them they really need?

    The result of such a deceitful maneuver is a lot of very angry people, making demands without a single clue that the organizer knows what he’s talking about. If he were truly one of them, if they had known him all his life, if he lived down the street and had grown up among them, they would know whether his words could be trusted, whether his intentions were truly good and whether he had the real smarts to lead them.

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is a perfect example of a true leader, and the antithesis of an Alinskyite community organizer. Dr. King wasn’t leading a movement of complete strangers. Nor was he dropped into Atlanta by a gang of professional troublemakers, intent on …

    Read Rest here:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_failed_to_master_alinsky.html

  218. Where is DUE PROCESS?

    I guess the Judge heard O’Joker loud & clear “Just SHUT UP”.

    Orly need to start an JUDICIAL ETHICS & MISCONDUCT investigation. It is the only recourse that the Judge left her.

  219. CIA STUFF – Back in the fifties I was living in Washington when the CIA was formed from the OSS. The biggest inside joke here was when you asked someone what government agency one worked for they would say i.e. The State Dept, The Dept of Agriculture etc. BUT if someone worked for the CIA they would only say “They work for the government” obviously giving away their disguise. DUH

    The biggest fear we have as folks is that the total work force of the Federal,State,County,city and town governments outnumber the Private sector.When that happens it is OVER.

  220. ms. helga,

    I agree it would give the State a decisive edge, but many battles were won by the outnumbered, because quality trumps quantity most of the time.

  221. From World Net Daily-please see video of our fellow citizens, it is very good. I know a lot of people that are attending these town meetings are getting very frustrated with having doors slammed in their faces. In many cases it was due to fire codes, which is correct. The only solution government is have these in bigger halls, unless they are doing that on purpose to shut the citizens out. The citizens are venting loud and clear, underlying message we don’t trust you (personally) or the government you are trying to represent (unsuccessfully). What ever they are trying to sell on any given day WE THE PEOPLE are not falling for it. Could it be they lied so many times in the past? and this garbage with the ONE and his perpetually sealed documents is a farce. Doesn’t the government realize if they abandon the Constititution all laws are null and void?
    Georgia
    Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., hosted an Aug. 10 town hall meeting at the Georgia Perimeter College campus in Clarkston. At least 500 citizens showed up in an auditorium while between 1,000 and 1,500 watched the discussion on closed circuit television screens in the gymnasium. Hundreds of citizens stood in an exceedingly long line to have their voices heard while as many as 500 people left the event. Though there was a mix of booing and cheering, attendees stayed calm during the discussion
    The following video by a group called Secular Stupidest shows the length of the line:

  222. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    PF,

    DeathCare has Obama’s finger prints all over it…I disagree with American Thinker on this one…

  223. ms helga, SueK can tell ya that the number people “dependent” on the state of MA out number the people that are not. As evidenced with a vote to keep the income tax here…

  224. Patriot Dreamer

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 12, 2009 at 11:03 am

    PF,

    DeathCare has Obama’s finger prints all over it…I disagree with American Thinker on this one…
    **************************************
    CNN, I agree. John Holdren (Science “Czar” and co-author of the book “Ecoscience”) and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel) are two people that I can envision working “behind the scenes” on this bill.

  225. TO:
    Patriot Dreamer // August 12, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 12, 2009 at 11:03 am

    PF,

    DeathCare has Obama’s finger prints all over it…I disagree with American Thinker on this one…
    **************************************
    CNN, I agree. John Holdren (Science “Czar” and co-author of the book “Ecoscience”) and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel) are two people that I can envision working “behind the scenes” on this bill.
    ==================

    I think that both you and American Thinker are correct, they all think alike the reason why O’Joker allows the LIE-berals to write all the bills is because tthere is no disagreement they all think alike.

    There is a Portuguese saying for these type of people that are exactly alike:
    One’s ass is just like the other one’s face.
    Tought translation. But can’t tell O’joker’s ass from Pelosi/Reid face and vice-versa.

  226. venice // August 12, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Hi Venice and Ms. Helga,

    I heard this on the news this morning and lost some coffee to my lap.

    So, hard working parents who are barely able to scrape by get zilch for their kids?

    The era of the ‘Gimmie Girls’ is alive and well. You either have to be very rich or very poor in this America; those of us who are in between get the screws put to us on a regular basis.

    I refuse to spread my ‘wealth’ around!

  227. Greg,

    We all *know* that MA is the “Gimmie State’ and not the Bay State that appears in the history books, don’t we?

    They are ENTITLED, don’t ya know?

  228. Hi Ms. Helga. I have been wondering about OldSalt77, too. His abscence has me concerned. I hope it is because he is enjoying a good vacation and is not ill.

    I love this site. I often think, if it were not for this site, I don’t know how I would handle the attacks upon America’s freedoms, Constitution, and integrity that have been occurring in a steady stream since ozero took office. This is one place I can go and release my fears and frustrations and imagine I have accomplished something!

    This site means something different to each visitor and poster. Some people share the results of their tremendouos research or legal knowledge. I have learned volumes from them. Others simply share quick little points to underscore some other persons statements. They have given me a different point of view. Sometimes visitors criticize other posters–they shouldn’t say this or that, they should “stick to the subject”, they are accused of being Obots, or whatever.

    I read those, too, and learn very little from them. Yet, I think,, maybe they needed to say that in the same way I need to share whatever is bothering me at the moment. I realize how grateful I am to Citizenwells he permits such varied expression without crticism to any of us.

    To me, this site is just perfect the way it is with all its imperfections! It is good for my soul to see wise or not so wise comments people make.

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