Obama health care, Chicago corruption, Obama and pals cheated Illinois citizens, Blagojevich, Rezko, Levine, Mercy hospital, Childrens hospital

Do you want the government running health care?

Is the government efficient?

How well will a health care system designed and run by corrupt individuals function?

We now have an illegal person occupying the white house.

Try to forget for a moment that Obama has hidden his past and refuses to present a legitimate long form birth certificate. Barack Obama should have been indicted and arrested for his part in crime and corruption in Chicago and Illinois along with his co conspirators, Rezko, Levin, Blagojevich, et al.
Would you trust Obama, et al with your and your family’s health care?

The Citizen Wells blog will be presenting a multi part detailed series on how Obama is well connected to crime and corruption in Chicago and Illinois and his part in rigging the IL Health Planning Facilities Board.
Here are a few facts for you to ponder as Obama’a “health care plan” is being debated.

In the photo below, Obama embracing his good buddy Tony Rezko, Obama during his  chairmanship of the Illinois Senate Health Services Committee and Obama shaking hands with Stuart Levine.

RezkoObamaLevine

From Journalist Evelyn Pringle:

Mercy hospital

“The Planning Board staff still recommended the rejection of Mercy’s proposal. On March 11, 2008, Jones told the jury that experts found the application failed to meet 18 criteria set up for the establishment of a new hospital. He said it was also too close to other hospitals that had too many empty beds and services not fully utilized.
The day before the vote in December 2003, Mercy hired the Chicago-based law firm of Gardner, Carton and Douglas. Gardner had donated $25,000 to Blagojevich in July 2003.

Although the application was rejected the first time, Mercy moved for reconsideration and won approval at the April 21, 2004 meeting. Beck testified that after the meeting, he and Levine drove to Rezko’s office to tell him the plan was approved and Rezko was there with Christopher Kelly.

Once approved, the plan was for co-schemer Jacob Kiferbaum to pad the construction costs on the hospital and pay the kickback through a bogus consulting contract with Levine’s business associate, Dr Robert Weinstein.
After helping set up the Planning Board, Dave Wilhelm became a consultant for Edward Hospital. Edward also wanted approval to build a new hospital. On April 9, 2008, Levine testified that he met with Wilhelm and another Edward lobbyist in the summer of 2003, and came away with the impression that Wilhelm’s contribution to the team was clout with the Blagojevich administration.”

From the Chicago Tribune Rezko trial transcripts Weeks 3 – 4

Childrens Hospital

“Children’s Memorial Hospital seen as potential shakedown target

March 21, 2008; 10:20 a.m.
The snow proved no deterrent to Friday’s session of the Antoin “Tony” Rezko corruption trial, and political fixer Stuart Levine is continuing his testimony for a fourth day.

Finally, and fleetingly, Rezko’s voice was heard on a government wiretap played for jurors.

The brief conversation was between Levine and Rezko on April 24, 2004, just three days after Levine said he and Rezko had rigged a vote of a state hospital planning board to approve a controversial hospital in Crystal Lake. Hospital contractor Jacob Kiferbaum was going to pay Levine and Rezko $1 million in bribes if the Crystal Lake facility won approval, Levine has testified.

Levine testified that he called Rezko on April 24 to set up a meeting to discuss their next shakedown target: Children’s Memorial Hospital. Just minutes before Levine called Rezko, Levine had hung up with a money manager from the investment banking firm Bear Stearns named Nicholas Hurtgen, who prosecutors say was a confederate in past Levine kickback schemes.

A recording of the conversation between Levine and Hurtgen was played for jurors and in it Hurtgen said he had learned that Children’s Memorial was looking to either remodel its aging Lincoln Park hospital or replace it with a new one in a different location. It was a potential $500-million job, Hurtgen said, and ripe for exploitation.

“This is made for Tony and Mr. C,” Hurtgen told Levine. Asked by prosecutors later to explain what that meant, Levine said Hurtgen was referring to Rezko and Republican political insider William Cellini, who were both accomplished real estate developers who might eye the Children’s Memorial property as a development opportunity if the hospital moved.

Hurtgen said any redevelopment or move would likely need government financial help, and he told Levine that could be their opening to impress upon Children’s Memorial that it needed to play ball. Levine told Hurtgen that he would make it a top priority to lk over the Children Memorial opportunity with Rezko.”

From Evelyn Pringle and the Rezko trial

Obama contact with Tony rezko

In the media, Obama always made it sound like he rarely saw Rezko, saying they met for breakfast or lunch once or twice a year. However, the FBI mole John Thomas helped investigators “build a record of repeat visits to the old offices of Rezko and former business partner Daniel Mahru’s Rezmar Corp., at 853 N. Elston, by Blagojevich and Obama during 2004 and 2005,“ according to the February 10, 2008 Sun-Times.

During his March 14, 2008 interview, the Times told Obama, Thomas is an FBI mole and he “recently told us that he saw you coming and going from Rezko’s office a lot.”

“And three other sources told us that you and Rezko spoke on the phone daily.””

From Evelyn Pringle

Valerie Jarrett and Michelle Obama’s job and salary

Obama’s introduction into the “Combine” came when his wife Michelle was hired by Jarrett in the early 1990s, and served as Jarrett’s assistant in Daley’s office and followed her to the Department of Planning and Development.
Jarrett was appointed chairman of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board in June 2006. She was also made chairman of a newly created Executive Committee of that Board, according to a June 13, 2006 University announcement. In addition, Jarrett was named vice-chair of the University’s Board of Trustees, the announcement states.
Michelle landed a high paying job at the University of Chicago Hospitals. Two months after Obama became a US senator, she was appointed vice president for community and external affairs. Tax returns show the promotion nearly tripled her pay to $317,000 in 2005, from $122,000 in 2004.

What you have just read is just the tip of the iceberg.

Stay tuned for more details.

Chicago Tribune Rezko trial transcripts:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-court-week1-story,0,4187820.story

Evelyn Pringle articles:

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/evelyn-pringles-operation-board-games-and-curtain-time-for-obama/

 

291 responses to “Obama health care, Chicago corruption, Obama and pals cheated Illinois citizens, Blagojevich, Rezko, Levine, Mercy hospital, Childrens hospital

  1. “Do you want the government running health care?”

    That’s like asking if I would let Charles Manson marry my daughter.

  2. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/obamabots_go_back_to_sleep.html

    Short article basically stating that the number of minions supporting Obama’s presidential campaign are dwindling assisting in a disorganized attack program. Good news.

  3. On the way back down….Ovomit is at -9 today

  4. LET’S PRAY SOMEONE WITH TESTICULAR FORTITUDE WILL ASK THE USURPER IN PORTSMOUTH,N.H. TOWNHELL MEETING TOMORROW SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, LIKE “WHERE IS YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”

  5. magna, I found the “Listen Now” button on the 969 webpage….I like your taste in music…LOL Do you have an approximate time they took those calls about AFT agents? I would like to get some audio of that on the internet..

  6. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/09/howard_dean_sarah_palin_is_making_things_up_about_health_care.html

    “Euthanasia”, a word many recoil from, is defined as either active or passive actions to end life.

    Howard Dean, a physician himself, attempts to confound the public with his double speak. He states “end of life decisions are discussed with the family”. For example, not giving medication, or beginning an IV, or conducting further investigatins, or performing invasive procedures etc.

    That is euthanasia folks. The question is only the system in place that defines the parameters.
    Obamacare tightens the parameters.

  7. Political Corruption has hit an all new High. Look at what the Administration is proposing now! If they are accusing the right of doing it…. they are already doing it! And of course, our tax dollars pay all expenses. If a previous Administration had done this, they would have been blasted by the media and every Hollywood has-been. Today…nothing mentioned as usual.

    Well funded Organization, anyone?

    Now we know what he is spending the unspent stimulus money on. See the links to the craigs list ads.

    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/etc/1310895349.html

    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/etc/1305256973.html

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/npo/1303456696.html

  8. Note: Go to any Search Engines… Barry Soetoro……
    thank you…………………………

  9. Ken,

    Kittycat already asked you what’s the point. I have not seen you answer this yet.

  10. Ken,

    Are you a robot?

  11. http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/08/10/obamas-state-by-state-approval-numbers/

    If Missouri reflects the sentiments of the nation, things are not looking good for this administration.

  12. JeffM,

    Thanks for a heart warming chuckle.

  13. Mike Sola Gets Visited And Threaten After Town Meeting
    Video: http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  14. And now for today’s…

    TYRANNY TIP ‘O’ THE DAY

    Today’s tip focuses on illegal search and seizure:

    Always answer the door when law enforcement knocks, but do not open the door until a proper Constitutional warrant is provided.

    Some illegal officers like to use the ‘ole “foot in the door” routine to keep it open so they can convince you to allow them in without a proper search warrant. Do not let this occur!

    If they come to search your firearms, make sure they have a legal warrant to do so. Do not get in the way if they confiscate them. You can always get more guns. Contact the NRA and your family attorney immediately.

    Continue this behavior until gun confiscation occurs frequently and unconstitutionally.

  15. Ditto on your 11:08 comment… What’s the Point?

  16. Are we going to be able to stop him before any more damage is done?

  17. venice // August 10, 2009 at 11:18 am

    No problem!

    Laughter is the best medicine, and can be an excellent tool against tyranny. For example, this upcoming New Hampshire town hall meaning shouldn’t be about shouts, but about laughter.

    Just laugh him out of there. Big JOKER type laughs. And if everyone can do makeup like the JOKER, that would will get the message across even faster.

  18. Nancy Peacock

    At the top right hand corner of Page 17 of the New York Post of January 24th, 2009, was a short column entitled “Replacing Michelle” in the National Review “The Week” column. Here it is, word for word, as it appeared:

    “Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run “programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting”.

    In 2005, the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317, 000 nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator.

    Oh, did we mention that her husband had just become a U.S. Senator? He sure had. And that he immediately requested a $1 million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact?… You betcha by golly… He surely did.

    Way to network Michelle!

    But now that Mrs. Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that possibly be??? Especially if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000?

    Oh, by the way, let me add that Michelle’s position was a part time, 20 hour week job at $317,000.00 per year !! And to think they were critical of Blagojevich’s wife for taking $100,000 in fuzzy real estate
    commission.

  19. TO:

    JeffM // August 10, 2009 at 10:13 am

    “Do you want the government running health care?”

    That’s like asking if I would let Charles Manson marry my daughter.

    ================

    I would say it’s more like allowing your daughter to go to Jeffrey Dahmer’s FOR dinner.

  20. Also, anyone remember the movie Back to School?

    There’s a scene in there where the persona played by Robert Downey Jr. heckles a couple of divers with a bullhorn and a mirror shining sunlight in his face while they’re starting their dive.

    Classic.

    Someone needs to start heckling these politicians. It’s entertaining and provides stress relief at the same time.

  21. TO:
    ms. helga // August 10, 2009 at 10:39 am

    LET’S PRAY SOMEONE WITH TESTICULAR FORTITUDE WILL ASK THE USURPER IN PORTSMOUTH,N.H. TOWNHELL MEETING TOMORROW SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, LIKE “WHERE IS YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE?”
    ========================

    What’s the info on this Town Hall I am not far from there anyone else want to go?

  22. Greg, In Houston it airs on FM.”the Arrow”93.7 at about approximate time frame was 6-7 AM.They must be targeting Texans.
    Thanks

  23. Patriot Dreamer

    Mike Sola video:
    “Speaking Out: Father confronts lawmaker on health care”
    http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playlistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749

  24. Patriot Dreamer

    Here’s a link to the article Mike Sola was referring to in the above video:

    “Deadly Doctors: Advisers want to ration care”
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?&page=1

  25. Patriot Dreamer

    twe, great letter!

  26. Death Drugs Cause Uproar in Oregon
    Terminally Ill Denied Drugs for Life, But Can Opt for Suicide

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

  27. Patriot Dreamer

    “Obama’s Health Care Will Make It Worse”
    By Robert Samuelson
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/10/obamas_health_care_will_make_it_worse.html

  28. just found a new word, obamageddon…

  29. Patriot Dream,

    Thanks for the link.

    Robert Samuelson better get a clue. Who cares about the budget when it will destroy the healthcare industry and create a Nazi generation???

    Sheesh, these idiot editorial “writers” need to get a real clue or they themselves will be without health care.

  30. Its saddens me to say somehow I got on this guys email list, David Axlerod, the Inc Man. This is the new info coming out of the White House.

    Dear Friend,

    Anyone that’s watched the news in the past few days knows that health insurance reform is a hot topic — and that rumors and scare tactics have only increased as more people engage with the issue. Given a lot of the outrageous claims floating around, it’s time to make sure everyone knows the facts about the security and stability you get with health insurance reform.

    That’s why we’ve launched a new online resource — WhiteHouse.gov/RealityCheck — to help you separate fact from fiction and share the truth about health insurance reform. Here’s a few of the reality check videos you can find on the site:

    CEA Chair Christina Romer details how health insurance reform will impact small businesses.
    Domestic Policy Council Director Melody Barnes tackles a nasty rumor about euthanasia and clearly describes how reform helps families.
    Matt Flavin, the White House’s Director of Veterans and Wounded Warrior Policy, clears the air about Veteran’s benefits.
    Kavita Patel, M.D., a doctor serving in the White House’s Office of Public Engagement, explains that health care rationing is happening right now and how reform gives control back to patients and doctors.
    Bob Kocher, M.D., a doctor serving on the National Economic Council, debunks the myth that health insurance reform will be financed by cutting Medicare benefits.
    There’s more information and a number of online tools you can use to spread the truth among your family, friends and other social networks. Take a look:

    We knew going into this effort that accomplishing comprehensive health insurance reform wasn’t going to be easy. Achieving real change never is. The entrenched interests that benefit from the status quo always use their influence in Washington to try and keep things just as they are.

    But don’t be misled. We know the status quo is unsustainable. If we do nothing, millions more Americans will be denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions, or see their coverage suddenly dropped if they become seriously ill. Out-of-pocket expenses will continue to soar, and more and more families and businesses will be forced to deal with health insurance costs they can’t afford.

    That’s the reality.

    Americans deserve better. You deserve a health care system that works as well for you as it does for the status quo; one you can depend on — that won’t deny you coverage when you need it most or charge you crippling out-of-pocket co-pays. Health insurance reform means guaranteeing the health care security and stability you deserve.

    President Barack Obama promised he’d bring change to Washington and fix our broken, unsustainable health insurance system. You can help deliver that change. Visit WhiteHouse.gov/RealityCheck, get the facts and spread the truth. The stakes are just too high to do nothing.

    Thank you,
    David

    David Axelrod
    Senior Advisor to the President

  31. For all: I cannot believe how much smarter the constituency is than their so called representatives. I thought about this, but got distracted. Read below this is so good. Go to Andrea’s Radio Patriot network, real cool article about a volcano ready to blow.
    Who would vote in a gut-less representative that either locks them out, or insults them to their face. Not a smart tactic.
    From Andrea Shea King’s web-site
    YOUR REP WON’T HOLD A TOWN HALL MEETING?
    Your Congressional Representative refuses to meet with you in a Town Hall meeting?
    They’re afraid of you and don’t want to see themselves end up on You Tube?
    Here’s the solution one of our locals came up with:
    If your Rep does not wish to speak to the people, then have a Town Hall without him/her!
    Set up a meeting, ask questions, debate (to a picture of him/her) then record/pictures of the meeting and post on YouTube!!!
    Publicize it on your blogs, in your emails, to national and local radio talk shows, letters to the editor — anywhere you can think of.
    Brilliant! Spread the word.
    Keep in mind YouTube’s “Community Guidelines”:
    “We encourage free speech and defend everyone’s right to express unpopular points of view. But we don’t permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).”
    HELP YOUR REPRESENTATIVE SEE IT YOUR WAY…

  32. Patriot Dreamer

    Greg Goss // August 10, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    just found a new word, obamageddon…
    *************************************
    Greg, treds researcher Gerald Celente has been using that term for a while for what he believes Obama is doing to our economy. I don’t know if he coined it or not, but:

  33. Patriot Dreamer

    “trends” not “treds”

  34. Nancy Peacock
    I remember that article about Michelle.

  35. @DellaStreet:

    I did a WHOIS on http://www.JobsThatMatter.org and it seems that it’s own by the same people from http://www.fundforthepublicinterest.org/

    FROM WIKIPEDIA:

    [edit] Labor disputes

    The Fund has been criticized for its policies towards staff. The Fund acknowledges that canvassing directors often work more than 60 hours a week, and portrays a “typical day” as running from 9:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m.[1] As of 2006, assistant directors were paid a starting salary of $23,750 (or $33,400 in California), plus commission. Canvass directors also make a base salary of $23,750 with the opportunity to make a “projected average yearly bonus” that may be up to $1500 for much longer hours and harder work.[2] In a class action lawsuit, former canvassers alleged that they were paid below minimum wage and required to work overtime without compensation.[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fund_for_Public_Interest_Research

    In other words, another scam…

  36. Also ask for COLLAGE RECORDS .Wonder what he would do if someone said hi Barry??

    Grand Jurys Presented to CONGRESS ,NOW WHAT ??
    http://www.riseupforamerica.com
    Any more states becomig sovereign??????
    Texas AUG 29TH

  37. Mike Sola Interview.

  38. Don’t know why embeeded code not working. It is Foxnews.com Top Video

  39. “Progressive Future”, another ACORN-like BS organization.

    http://www.progressivefuture.org/about-us/story

    http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113758

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  41. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    JeffM,

    For those of us who have never been on the other side of the law, can you tell us what does a legit search warrent look like?

    I don’t want to let the Feds in my house when they show me a fake warrent…

    Which they could easily do, since I have never seen a warrent, let alone what it says…

  42. Patriot Dreamer

    Greg, I think I posted the same link earlier at 11:49 am. People should be able to find it.

  43. Patriot Dreamer

    Gerald Celente is not the only one talking about financial “armageddon”. Check out this recent article from ShadowStats.com:

    “Hyperinflationary Depression Remains Likely As Early As 2010”
    http://www.shadowstats.com/article/hyperinflation

  44. eesshh…Good Monday-morning y’all:
    some 800 comments on multiple threads just since I signed off-n-out back on Friday morning…headed for a mountain ‘retreat’ of sorts to be without any communication devise whatsoever. Dang, y’all been busy as ants!

    Greg: from awhile ago, so you may not track backwards that far to pick it up: re Re-do vs. “Typ-O”: if I change my moniker to that, they might want my blood! (LOL?)
    ———————————————————-
    Upon arriving at the desination, one of the first houses I saw had a “don’t tread on me” flag planted in the front yard. My immediate thought was “wonder if that’s ‘Shout’s’ house?!”
    hehe…
    ———————————————————
    Only had time for a really quick skim of all them posts, and so I’m only gonna respond to the one that jumped out at me:

    John Feeny on 8-7…my answer is: “to the contrary, Sir: it may have been a typo or poorly-worded sentence that mistated something(?): I have found your words and links always in “the good”. I may have been attempting to juxtapose items provided by you with othe ‘disinformation’ posts.
    ———————————————————
    Like the new thread, Mr. CW: re the Chicago stuff…thanks for that. I look forward to what you’ve got next.
    ——————————————————–
    Lastly: as I was leaving Friday morning, I drove past a National Guard facility in the area…not intentionally: that happened to be the road I was taking towards the Interstate on-ramp. I have passed by that location many times, and have never seen a soul, nor any activity there. Friday morning there were two young-looking guys wearing full desert fatigues…just sitting, ‘on campus’, as it were…so I’m just saying: it was a first.

  45. Patriot Dreamer

    How enacting Obama’s Health Care plan will result in wage stagnation:

    http://www.poorandstupid.com/2009_08_09_chronArchive.asp#3293351309667487047

  46. Thanx PD, CNN< JeffM. A real search warrant is signed by a judge, indicating what judge and juristiction. Also your exact address must appear and the specifics of the warrant. ie Drugs, illegal activity….Also if you have a detached garage and the warrant does not include the garage then no search of said garage can be made.

  47. And it needs to be an actual document with penned ink on it, not an image of one…

  48. ** BREAKING NEWS on WND **

    Evidence challenges claim over Obama’s birth address

    Documents uncovered by WND strongly suggest Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama’s parents, did not live at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Hawaii – even though birth announcements in local newspapers listed that address.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106258

    WND lost some credibility lately, but this is an interesting article.

  49. ARM YOURSELVES FOR THE TOWNHELL MEETINGS

    Ten Questions Politicians Won’t Answer by US Senator Dr.Tom Coburn of Oklahoma

    1. Why do we need to increase spending on health care by at least $1.6 trillion and steal prosperity from our children and grandchildren when we spend nearly twice per person what other industrialized nations spend on health care?

    In my view, any bill that increases spending is a failure and not serious reform. The problem is not that we don’t spend enough on health care, but that we don’t allocate resources efficiently and get value for what we pay.

    2. What programs will you cut and whose taxes will you raise to pay for health-care reform?

    Any politician — Republican or Democrat — who refuses to answer this question or avoids the topic by deferring to the committees of jurisdiction doesn’t deserve to be in office.

    3. What earmarks or pet projects that you have sponsored will you sacrifice to help finance the cost of health-care reform?

    It is immoral, in my view, to ask taxpayers to make more sacrifices while politicians practice business-as-usual pork-barrel politics.

    4. Will you vote for a public option that requires taxpayer-funded abortion?

    The current version of the so-called reform bill requires taxpayer-funded abortion. In the House, this fact prompted 19 pro-life Democrats to send a letter of protest to Speaker Pelosi. In the Senate, an amendment by Barbara Mikulski (D., Md.) that would require taxpayer-funded abortion passed in committee. Sen. Bob Casey (D., Pa.) objected and voted no, saying, “The way it [the Mikulski amendment] is written could be interpreted down the road to include something like abortion.” Are these Democrats also part of the right-wing scare-tactic conspiracy?

    5. If the public option is so wonderful, will you lead by example and vote for a plan to enroll you and your family in the public option?

    I offered an amendment in committee to force members of Congress to enroll in the public option. Nine out of eleven Democrats on the health committee who back the public option refused. If the politicians creating the public option don’t have confidence in it, neither should the American people.

    6. Will you vote for a plan that will allow a board of politicians and bureaucrats to override decisions made by you and your doctor?

    Both the Senate and House bills set up a government-run “comparative effectiveness” board that will make final decisions about treatment and care. In committee, I gave senators several opportunities to accept language that would forbid this board from denying care. All of my amendments were rejected, which suggests that the intent is to set up a board that will ration care, as is done in the United Kingdom.

    7. If you support a “comparative effectiveness” board, what qualifies you, as a politician, to practice medicine? Have you delivered health care to a single person, much less entire classes of people you claim to represent, such as the poor, the uninsured, or children?

    I’m one of two physicians in the Senate, along with John Barrasso of Wyoming. I know for a fact that very few leaders in this debate have any firsthand experience or knowledge of health care, which is disturbing.

    8. How will a government-run public option perform better than other failing government programs, such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Indian Health Care?

    Forty percent of doctors refuse to accept Medicaid patients because the program is broken. Access to a government program — such as the public option — does not guarantee access to health care.

    9. If increasing spending on health care was the solution, why hasn’t it worked yet?

    The public-option “reform” is not new at all but an extension of 1960s-era public policies that say a little more government spending and intervention is always the answer.

    10. Are you more committed to doing reform right or quickly? Would you consider backing a thoughtful alternative to the public option? If so, which one?

  50. zeeshopper

    why

  51. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Greg Goss,

    Can I ask the feds to wait, while I confirm the authenticity of the warrent they present: such as check to see if such a judge exists, find the court on the internet, call the court, etc…

    What kind of rights do I have to question the authenticity of a warrent when presented: do my rights change if I accept the warrent in my hand…etc..

  52. Rocknee: Joe Farah kept promising for something, but never posted it… I think that he finally did.

  53. My own question – 11.Will you accept the same program you want us to have or give us the same plan all of you Senators or Congreemen have?
    WELL?

  54. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Here is a review of the International Press stories on Dr. Taitz

    SOUTH AFRICAN NEWSPAPERS

    Jacky May (yes that is her name), of the Times of, does a hatched job: very imature writing style

    http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1044813&FORM=ZZNR3

  55. Zeeshopper, there was no newspaper birth announcement. Read all about it. Therefore, analyzing any ‘information’ in that fake announcement is a waste of time.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  56. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    AUSTRALIAN NEWSPAPERS

    The Brisbane Times (Queensland):

    Anne Davies, reporting from Washington
    August 8, 2009

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/obama-born-in-the-usa-some-dont-believe-it-20090808-ed99.html

    the standard rehash of obotry…

  57. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The Australian (on-line newspaper)

    Brad Norington | July 29, 2009

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25849407-26397,00.html

    Slightly objective…

  58. CNN, The simple answer to your question is no. But you certainly can as they blow by you and hand it to you. If it is a false warrant then nothing they find can be used against you. Of course the then knowledge of said items raises questions.

  59. Truth Exists

    Zeeshopper, this can’t the Farah big news; it’s been around for months. Also he promised that there would finally be something that would be able to be taken to court.

  60. jbjd, What struck me about your piece was that the address that was listed just happens to of now deceased people.

  61. citizenwells

    Greg.
    I am not sure which Fox video you were trying to put up, but I just
    put the one about the GA congressman yelling at the DR. on

    http://citizenwells.com

    I will put an article up here later

  62. Truth Exists

    jbjd, Congratulations on an excellent piece. Am I correct in summing up your research by stating that we have no actual evidence that the Hawaiian newspaper announcements exist, and that although we also do not have actual evidence that they do not exist, it is highly unlikely by virtue of Obama’s lack of use of them in court?

  63. It was a Megan Kelly interview of the father of a disabled child at Rep Dingleberries town hall meeting.

  64. CW, Not sure what is going on the citizenwells.com site. It is two pages wide and not much lines up…I suck at ltmh too… 😉

  65. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    MEXICAN PAPERS

    El Diario de Chihuahua, July 15th

    http://www.eldiariodechihuahua.com.mx/notas.php?IDNOTA=158683

  66. English translation for CNN post above.

    American commander Stefan Frederick Cook refuses to go to the war in Afghanistan because she maintains that Barack Obama is not president, since ‘ he was not born in EE.UU.’ , the newspaper The Ledger Enquirer informed yesterday, of Columbus (Georgia). Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after that archipelago became the state number 50 of the United States. The American Constitution stipulates that to be president the person must have been born in ground of the country. But since Obama initiated its presidential campaign has circulated the version of which he is not citizen born of the United States. The lawyer of Cook, Orly Taitz, that also has questioned the legitimacy of the presidency of Obama before other courts, presented/displayed the past week a request before a federal court so that the shipment of the official to the war is prevented and its situation is clear to him as objector of brings back to consciousness. The newspaper indicated that in a document of 20 pages presented/displayed before the Federal Court of the Average District of Georgia, Taitz it asked the judges who grant to their client estatus of objector because she thinks that Obama is not citizen natural of the United States and therefore it cannot be Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of that country. Cook added in its request that ‘ it would act in violation of the international law if it participated in military actions outside the United States under the command of this president, and therefore possible subject of processing like criminal military ‘ . Cook, commander in the reserve of the Army (of Earth), received the 9 from June mobilization orders in the active service. In agreement with this document, that Cook presented/displayed next to its judicial request, it was become ordained to him that one appeared today in Base MacDill of the Air Force on Tampa, Florida. Thence, Cook would have to go to Fort Benning, in Georgia, before its shipment to overseas. Thursday, indicated the newspaper, will be a judicial hearing for the study of the request of Cook.

  67. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Greg G,

    You wrote, in regard to my question to whether I have the right to verify the authenticity of a search warrent:

    “CNN, The simple answer to your question is no. But you certainly can as they blow by you and hand it to you. If it is a false warrant then nothing they find can be used against you. Of course the then knowledge of said items raises questions.”

    You are saying, then that I have no rights. Because if I cannot verify it, then they could just as easily forge one and enter. If they shoot me, and everyone esle in my house, and plant an illegal gun on me, they can claim I resisted search, got violent, and who would every know?

    I can’t believe this.

    This is outrageous.

    I would never let them in my house, if I cannot verify a warrent, because that is tantamount to saying I have no rights…

  68. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jbjd,

    I can’t believe it: Texas Darlin was fooled to pass along unauthenticated information?

    Is she aware of this?

  69. I Propose and Amendment to the ObamasCARE bill that will shake them up.

    Since we have to sacrifice will all Washington Politicians, Staff and Gov’t Employees that have Gov’t/Taxpayer PAID Health Insurance and all also at the state level AGREE to Pay a 20% Tax on that Health Care that they Receive for Free to Help Defray the costs of this BS that you are trying to stick to us?

  70. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 10, 2009 at 12:54 pm,

    Greg Goss is absolutely correct. Here are a few examples of actual Federal search warrants:

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/893673/United-States-District-Court—Editable-Search-Warrant-Blank-Form

    (Yep, the last one is actually BLANK! LOL!)

    State, local, and county warrants deviate quite a bit, but you should definitely contact your law enforcement offices and request sample copies of what they should look like.

    Again, they must have probable cause and it must be explicitly stated in the warrant itself.

  71. citizenwells

    Greg
    It was checked against Explorer & safari on Apple.
    What are you running?

  72. Patriot Dreamer

    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 10, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    I Propose and Amendment to the ObamasCARE bill that will shake them up.

    Since we have to sacrifice will all Washington Politicians, Staff and Gov’t Employees that have Gov’t/Taxpayer PAID Health Insurance and all also at the state level AGREE to Pay a 20% Tax on that Health Care that they Receive for Free to Help Defray the costs of this BS that you are trying to stick to us?
    ****************************************
    I vote we limit it to just the politicians and the union members (SEIU thugs, don’t cha know)!

  73. jbjd

    What gonna happen to obama for saying his hawaii colb is proof of birth when it is a forgery? Would that be classified as perjury?

  74. Greg,

    Is this interview. The audio is desynchronized.

  75. Fernley Girl

    Alex and LetFreedomRing from OC posted a link which then led me to this. It is a seven hour lecture on the Constitution. I have listened to the first 2 1/2 hours, and can’t believe how much I didn’t know!! I haven’t been watching, just listening to it instead of Rush. Please bookmark this site and listen as you have time.

    http://www.archive.org/details/Michael_Badnarik

    A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government. Edward Abbey

  76. Greg,

    Sorry is this the video? Patriot Dreamer did post it 11:49, but now it links with another video.

  77. TruthT, close.

    I am saying, that the article does not exist is evidenced by these facts. 1) Annenberg Political Fact Check (“APFC”) posted the image they stole from an anonymous blogger on td(‘s blog), posted it on their site and called it a picture of the actual birth announcement, and without authenticating the image, called it “clear evidence” BO was born in the U.S.; and 2) BO asked the federal judge to take judicial notice that (AP)FC concluded his BC is “genuine, and “noting” a contemporaneous birth announcement published in a HI newspaper.” Translation of BO’s request to the federal court: APFC wrote on their web site, there is a real piece of paper with the title COLB on top, showing I was born in HI. I scanned a copy of this document and posted it on my web site, FTS. FC also noted that an anonymous blogger posted an image of a birth announcement, which they never authenticated, in a HI newspaper. The reason I cannot name that paper is that, then someone could check it out.

    So, it is true, APFC said there is an actual document called a COLB; and they did make a note of a newspaper birth announcement. And BO wants the court to take judicial notice of this fact.

  78. http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playlistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749

    Greg,

    I don’t know what’s going on but if you click on this lick and scroll down to the video “speaking out”, I think you’ll find the video. Very odd.

  79. Before any kind of health care reform can take place, tort reform must occur.

    Physicians have had to resort to CYA (cover your a**) medicine because of the tactics of plaintiff attorneys. The most visible/well known of the filthy rich plaintiff attorneys would be ambulance chaser Senator Edwards.

    While physicians can barely make their payroll given all the mandates (read employees) from the government and health insurance companies, along with the outrageous malpractice insurance rates they pay, plaintiff attorneys live in opulence.

    Sadly, physicians now are little more than government employees without the benefits.

  80. citizenwells

    JustMe.
    You are absolutely correct!
    George Bush was ridiculed for saying this.

  81. I was just on a site yesterday which directed me to Occidental College site and saw this UNBELEIVABLE STORY RIGHTON THEIR SITE:

    The have removed and sealed EVERYTHING about Obama even removed the Yearbooks from the Library.

    He was there on Full Scholarship which if you look carefully the way they write it they TRY to make it seem like it was a baskeball scholarship which I bet it wasn’t.

    http://www.oxy.edu/x7992.xml

    I think for them to go to thsi EXTREME what they are HIDING is HUGE and probably Criminal.

  82. Venice

    Looking for the foxnews w/ Megean Kelly interviewing the man about his disabled son.

    Scroll down,

    Video: http://countusout.wordpress.com

  83. Prairie Patriot

    Just got back from a class reunion. Spoke at great length to an old friend who has worked on many republican campaigns. She now works for the RNC. She told me the RNC is swimming in donations, Obama is their best fundraiser EVER! She also hinted it may happen that Palin replaces Steele. She said there is talk.

  84. PRWH,

    Yep!

  85. Thanks Rocknee,

    It was Greg Goss who was looking for it and yes its the same as I posted but much easier access.

  86. Prairie Patriot

    Best news today

  87. jbjd —

    VERY interesting!

    We ARE looking at a House of Cards — and I don’t know how long it can STAND!

    One thing that REALLY concerns me —

    Usually its the side that argues and bickers that begins to fall apart, because there is nothing of substance to hold it together.

    Obama’s side is still showing the discipline of the Star Wars Evil Empire, with money and power.

    Our side is still rag-tag and disorganized — still no more effective than the earliest days of the American Revolution. That tells me that we may be in for a long, long slog, and that there are no quick and easy answers.

  88. Palin replacing Steele at the RNC is a bad move in many ways the most obvious is RACE which will be used against GOP. Remember Black trumps Woman as a Pimped Minority.

    Palin can do more good Speaking out and ogranizing and growing the Conservative Wing of the GOP by encouraging at every level Conservatives to run, fudn raise and campaign for them.

    ***WARNING, WARNING… Palin don’t fall in this trap they are trying to Insitutionalize you as an entrenched establishment Republican.

    SARAH Don’t do it. You have nothing to gain and everything to loose. Also the lawsuits may start again if you have a “position”. Be careful RINOS and McCain may be behind this move they are the enemy behind.

  89. Patriot Dreamer

    Bob, I don’t know about that. The fact that they are name-calling and beating people up is a good sign to me that they are starting to fall apart. We need to keep up the pressure, though.

  90. …finding it wearisome that jbjd, who I believe to be an HRC-plant, successfully engages responses from others focusing on the BC stuff, (a diversionary tactic, either truly or feigning contempt for BHO: and it doesn’t really even matter which it is)…which is in continual free-fall from true relevance; while new ‘threads’ such as this one CW posts aims to focus attention where it is truly warranted. (Ah…some fresh air!)

    This tends to raise my suspicions that those who continue to engage do so are either unaware, like lambs to the slaughter, OR, are possibly complicit with the diversion, sadly.
    ———————————————————–
    I’m interested in, and look forward to this new ‘series’ CW has announced…but think I’ll back out of the dialog while the BC ping-pong ‘game’ continues. Frankly, it’s gotten boring…and there’s nothing humorous about it.

  91. CNN, an anonymous blogger posted something on td’s blog. I am unaware that td in any way endorsed the authenticity of the image and accompanying comment posted on her blog. APFC copied the comment with the image from td’s blog, but did not credit her blog. They merely mentioned a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger posted this image. The only way I knew the image was from td is that, I clicked on the image to try to determine the source from which APFC had gotten it, which led me to the now-defunct page from td’s blog.

  92. Fernley Girl

    The question is mine, the link is from sdee at Rosettasisters:

  93. We Chicagoans -when we find someone worthy of respect and a proud American, we do what we can to show our respect. In this case in honor of this brave military pilot an International Airport was named in his honor. Obama you on the other hand have brought only shame and scandal not only to the city of Chicago, but to our nation. I wonder what will be named after you. Cook County, cesspool of corruption-waste management facilities?
    Obama, We did not serve with Lt. Commander Butch O’Hare , we did not know Lt. Commander Butch O’Hare. We wish Lt. Commander Butch O’Hare was a friend of ours . Barack Hussein Obama, you’re no Lt. Commander Butch O’Hare.”
    re: Lt. Commander Butch O’Hare World War II. He had to be exceptionally good at handling a fighter plane, alert with superior coordination and use split-second timing. There was an unprecedented amount of technical know-how to absorb, including complex mechanical systems, electronics, navigation, radio and operational procedures. He had to be a good shot, too. All of this called for unusual judgment, skill and courage.
    Nothing could dramatize these qualities better, or illustrate their value more vividly, than the heroic exploits of Navy Lieutenant Edward “Butch” O’Hare on February 20, 1942. The carrier Lexington had been assigned the dangerous task of penetrating enemy-held waters north of New Ireland. From there her planes were to make a strike at Japanese shipping in the harbor at Rabaul. Unfortunately, while still 400 miles from Rabaul, the Lexington was discovered by a giant four-engine Kawanishi flying boat. Lieutenant Commander John Thach, skipper of the Lexington’s Wildcat fighters, shot down the Japanese “Snooper,” but not before it had radioed the carrier’s position.
    That afternoon Commander Thach led six Wildcats into the air to intercept nine twin-engine enemy bombers. In a determined attack, each of the Wildcats destroyed a bomber and damaged two more. The ship’s anti-aircraft guns finished off the rest.
    In the meantime, nine more Japanese bombers were reported on the way. Six Wildcats, one of them piloted by Butch O’Hare, roared off the Lexington’s deck to stop them. O’Hare and his wingman spotted the V formation of bombers first, and dived to try to head them off. The other F4F pilots were too far away, to reach most of the enemy planes, before they released their bombs.
    As if this weren’t bad enough, O’Hare’s wingman discovered his guns were jammed. He was forced to turn away. Butch O’Hare stood alone between the Lexington and the bombers.
    O’Hare didn’t hesitate. At full throttle, he roared into the enemy formation. While tracers from the concentrated fire of the nine bombers streaked around him, he took careful aim at the starboard engine of the last plane in the V and squeezed his trigger. Slugs from the Wildcat’s six .50-caliber guns ripped into the Japanese bomber’s wing, and the engine literally jumped out of its mountings. The bomber spun crazily toward the sea as O’Hare’s guns tore up another enemy plane. Then he ducked to the other side of the formation and smashed the port engine of the last Japanese plane there

  94. Fernley Girl

    Forgot to postthe question: Is Western Civilization on its deathbed?

  95. How many of you if any are signed up for RedState Daily e-mail updates?I just signed up last week and believe it is very useful I would recommend everyone try it. They are already doing some of the work they delivers links to important stories that we can about usually 5-10 stories with links in an e-mail.

    http://www.paramountcommunication.com/Newsletters/Redstate/index.aspx

    Try it for a few days if you don’t agree that it is very useful you can easily cancel.
    I think everyone should do it. They also have action alerts etc. They look out for the same things we do as well.

  96. What if Obama Threw an Astroturf Party and Nobody Came?
    Proof they are the ones ORGANIZING, Paying and BUSING Protesters to TownHELLS while blaming us of doing it. Up is down and down is up.

    http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/09/what-if-obama-threw-an-astroturf-party-and-nobody-came/

  97. Citizenwells…..

    My husband is a physician….I know this story all too well.

    Didn’t anyone find it odd when Obama was addressing the physicians/AMA and he had to back track with them saying he WASN’T talking about tort reform. I believe the physicians boo’d him.

    Yes, healthcare is currently rationed. We all know that. You can only have “X” number of scans/MRI’s per year. You can only have so many weeks of physical therapy, you can only have a certain medicine, otherwise you pay out of pocket. However, a physician can make his case for what he is recommending/requesting, notwithstanding a threat to the health insurance company they are “practicing medicine.” That option would be gone with this proposed plan.

    You won’t be surprised to know that most physicians are near retirement age. If this passes, good luck finding a physician. Period! At least one that isn’t foreign trained.

    Most physicians agree there needs to be reform. But that reform should be reform the insurance companies AND plaintiff attorneys.

  98. FROM A RETIRED ROCKET SCIENTIST

    Maybe I’m too much of a Systems Engineer?

    OK – folks, “fixing” the healthcare system seems to me to be a lot simpler than Zero and his stooges are making it. For one thing, no one can read and digest 1000+ pages of bizzare and lawyereese. So this is how you do it:

    1. Itemize the specific problems that are so important that they require congress and all the country to participate in fixing. Not all the little stuff, but the big stuff.

    As far as I can tell, there is only one such problem. Too many people do not have healthcare insurance. (And, no, it is not 47 million! It’s not even half of that. But we can’t even begin to have a useful discussioin until we get the number right. And even more to the point, we need to address the “deserving” souls who are not covered.)

    Now, the liberals and conservatives can argue over the definition and scope of “deserving”. And that is how it should be. That is how politics works. I fully expect – and can live with the fact – that the number of such estimated by liberals would be bigger than those estimated by the conservatives. Hey – like it or not – they won – so they get to dominate such discussions.

    2. Now, come up with a solution (a set of legislation) that most simply addresses this problem. For instance – a monetary grant, or something like food stamps, etc. that would be focused on just those individuals. And leave the rest of us alone. I guarantee you that such a solution would be far more effective and a lot less expensive.

    NOW – SEE – This is really simple.

    ( Unless, of course, your REAL objective was something other than to “fix healthcare”. )

  99. Nancy Peacock

    Anybody want to read the Health Insurance Reform Bill? Here it is. I’m reading it, without a lawyer present, and I don’t like what I’m reading. Somebody should send this to Obama’s rat squad.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/

  100. Patriot Dreamer

    Nancy, e-mail it to flag@whitehouse.gov! LOL! 😉

  101. Patriot Dreamer

    Silly word of the day:

    “Obotomized”

  102. TO: Fernley Girl // August 10, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Great Video I had seen a few videos and stories abotu this BUT this video nails it. No wonder it has had over 10 million views in a few months.

    Silent Muslim Invasion is well on it’s way.
    Wake Up People or all the Work fo the Christians Crusades to recapture what the Muslim had stolen will be wasted.

    Start by getting rid of Abortion. Remember Muslim don’t abort.

  103. Peter Francisco-Wouldn’t other members of the class have a copy of this Yearbook?
    This democrat is glad to hear RNC is swimming in donations, we send our requests back with Usurper marked on them-no documentation, no money. I just hope that when the Republicans retake the country that they are not as abusive with power as the current members of the Obama Cabal of Evil-Doers, we all have a pretty good idea of who they are. If they have sunk to removing yearbooks, something is definitely up, somewhat shows you exactly where to look. They not only can’t run, they cannot hide, and they cannot hide everything….but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

  104. TO:
    Carlyle // August 10, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    FROM A RETIRED ROCKET SCIENTIST

    ===================

    I wrote something like that earlier. Why CHANGE what we HOPE to fix instead of CHANGE?

  105. I was looking for something I had blogged about way back and came across this. I think what I was eluding to in this post is coming true. The people are becoming activist.

  106. Patriot Dreamer

    If you missed Sean Hannity’s special on BO’s friends, Oil for Immigration has it on their blog:

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=2886

  107. td blog posted a copy of the memo BO sends out to recruit groups like SEIU and ACORN to attend these town hall meetings across the country. The memo is addressed to HCAN (Health Care for America Now) Field Partners. I suggested, to avoid names for those of us who oppose the health insurance reform bill proposed by BO, like ‘angry mobs,’ or ‘Nazis,’ we should call ourselves Constitutional Republic Field Partners. Our secret hand signal will be holding up 2 (two) fingers on the left hand; 1 (one) on the right! (Get it, Article II, Section 1…)

  108. Re-Do —

    I guess a lot of us would be considered to be HRC plants — So?

    If you check the calendar, the challenges to Obama’s eligibility BEGAN with HRC supporters, and independents leaning towards HRC, and many are still found at obamacrimes, TD-Blog, and Rosettasisters, as well as here.

    In fact, HRC supporter Larry Johnson at noquarterUSA has been accused to be the ring-leader who has fomented all of this.

    So, without HRC plants, this movement would probably be a fraction of the size it has grown to today.

  109. jbjd, If you are facing someone then shouldn’t be two fingers on the right and one on the left?

  110. TO: Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 10, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    One thing that concerns me a great deal is that maybe the current language of the bill is a Rubber Band. Maybe it is intended to stretch things to an extreme limit – so that a negotiated compromise will seem reasonable – but will still be far to the left of what might have otherwise been possible?

  111. TO: jbjd // August 10, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Wouldn’t this be easy to figure out? Doesn’t the newspaper have public archives?

  112. Nancy Peacock

    Yeah, two on the right and one on the left. Good signal. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Left reduces us to communicating by code . . . Aunt Harriet left her umbrella in the cab . . . Vote all of the trash out in 2010!

  113. Nancy Peacock

    Congress shouldn’t even be voting on Americans’ health care choices, according to the Constitution. I notified my senator of that today. It probably won’t do any good.

  114. GG, NP, and Everyone,

    Yes, that sounds better, 2 fingers right; 1 finger left.

    Thanks.

  115. Patriot Dreamer // August 10, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Silly word of the day:

    “Obotomized”

    ———

    That one made me laugh out loud! Thanks for the silly word of the day.

  116. Nancy Peacock // August 10, 2009 at 3:26 pm,

    That’s 100% correct. That is a choice, not a right. CONgrass can’t approve nationalized healthcare because nowhere in the Constitution does it grant them this ability.

    Tell them Article I, Section 8 is specific on what Congress can do, and national healthcare “ain’t one of ’em”.

  117. Nancy Peacock

    Jeff at America’s Right has a good little video from the GOP today.

    http://www.americasright.com/

  118. Nancy Peacock

    Jeff, why does everyone keep ignoring this point? It’s the main point! Congress does NOT have the right, etc., etc., etc.

  119. I just got a call from Sen. Lindsey Graham for a tele-conference which I am on listening right now. Is there anything y’all want me to ask?

  120. Nancy Peacock

    Yes, what gives Congress the right to vote on Americans’ health care choices?

  121. Graham is talking about Sotomayor – not having ethical problems – the person speaking to him now said – can’t believe you didn’t think she had ethical problems!!

  122. Bob @ 3:15, et al: did you notice the post immediately following mine, and the context?
    Nuff Said. I’m tempted to write either , “Duh!” or “Baaaaaaahhhh!”…but I won’t. (oops.)
    ——————————————————–
    IMHO, HRC has proven to be ‘dirty’ from the start, and alignment with supportive ‘tactics’ or whatever you wanna call ’em remain working in opposition to the heart of the Constitutionalists’
    ‘mantra’…such as it is.

    Someone here used the phrase, “pissing into the wind”…which is all the BC stuff is any more…or probably ever was.

    JeffM, for me, has remained the most steady and reliable ‘compass’; notwithstanding CW’s new series…okay that was a ‘re-do’, I know.

  123. I usually only post a lead-in to a relevant article but this one may not be available to the general public because it is cached in Ancestry.com. So here is the entire news article from the Seattle Times news services.

    Wednesday, October 22, 2008 –
    Obama’s grandmother helped mold candidate’s character
    By Seattle Times news services
    MIAMI — Barack Obama’s mother was an adventurous woman who took her son around the globe.

    His grandmother was a rock of stability, giving him the American roots that would ground his teenage years as well as his career in politics.

    His mother died too young to see him become a U.S. senator, much less the Democratic presidential nominee and someone who could become the first African American to win the White House.

    Now, just two weeks before the election of his life, that other maternal figure — Madelyn Dunham, who helped raise him — is in such fragile health that family members are gathering at her Honolulu bedside.

    The 85-year-old former bank executive is said to be “gravely ill” after falling and breaking her hip, and some reports suggest she might not live to see the results of the Nov. 4 vote.

    Whatever happens, she’s already lived long enough to see her “Barry” achieve what she’d wanted for him, her brother says.

    “I think she thinks she was important in raising a fine young man,” said Charles Payne, 83, from his Chicago home. “I doubt if it would occur to her that he would go this far this fast. But she’s enjoyed watching it.”

    Although she was too ill to travel for the campaign, she followed it closely on television — even undergoing a corneal transplant earlier this year so she could watch the coverage.

    “She was almost totally blind,” Payne said. “She’s not physically able to” campaign, he said, “but it doesn’t mean her interest has flagged.”

    The country hasn’t really met this key figure in Obama’s life. Dunham, who turns 86 on Sunday, has rarely spoken to the media, and she doesn’t appear at campaign events.

    Yet she is a crucial part of Obama’s story, a woman he speaks of often when he’s campaigning. He has invoked memories of her at his most crucial moments in politics, notably when dealing with the complex multicultural tapestry that is his personal narrative.

    And when the Illinois senator decided to seek the Democratic presidential nomination, Dunham provided the “Kansas heartland” pedigree he needed to appeal to conservative white voters — and a personal anecdote about racial prejudice that helped the man with the foreign name and Ivy League résumé connect with the African-American experience.

    Those close to Obama say she is more than just a part of that story, she’s part of his personality — a towering image reflected in her grandson alongside that of her daughter, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham.

    “The two women who really raised him, his mom and grandma, are both strong, and they’ve struggled in the course of their lives and overcome great obstacles,” said Valerie Jarrett, a close Obama family friend.

    “They are extraordinarily determined and empathetic, and I see that in him,” she said. “All of these unusual characteristics, they’re all rolled up into one person.”

    Obama’s wife, Michelle, often speaks of the two “strong women” who made her husband who he is. One of those women gave him wings. The other gave him roots.

    Stanley Ann Dunham, who was white, married Obama’s father, a Kenyan student, and had her son when she was 18. She later married Lolo Soetoro, the father of Obama’s sister, Maya, and the couple moved to Indonesia.

    But a time came when the family agreed Obama should return to Hawaii for high school. The grandparents he called “Gramps” and “Toot” took him in, living in a modest Honolulu apartment so they could send him to the elite Punahou Academy. In a rare 2004 interview with the Chicago Tribune, Madelyn Dunham noted her daughter’s global interests and said she and her husband offered Obama a greater sense of normality. “I suppose I provided stability in his life,” she said.

    Obama and others credit Dunham with instilling in him an appreciation for education and hard work, and with setting an example of thrift, practicality and tolerance.

    “I think there’s nobody more important than her, except his mother, in shaping his character,” said David Mendell, who interviewed Dunham in 2004 for the Chicago Tribune and later wrote the book, “Obama: From Promise to Power.”

    Mendell said Obama got “that dreamer quality” seen in his speeches from his late mother. But when he has to decide whom to trust in politics, “that’s his grandmother’s practicality coming out in him.”

    “His grandmother was a real no-nonsense, no-frills woman who was far more skeptical of human nature than his mother,” Mendell said Tuesday. “And in politics, he has to rely on both of those characteristics.”

    This week, Obama returns to those family roots. He is canceling events on most of Thursday and Friday to go to Hawaii where his sister is caring for their grandmother.

    Dunham’s illness may remind some voters of Obama’s white, Midwestern family at a time when Republicans are trying to stir up doubts about his identity. Some supporters, though, worry the temporary suspension of his campaign will cost him precious time on the campaign trail.

    But Obama may be troubled by the painful memory of his mother, who died of ovarian cancer in 1995.

    He has said one of his greatest regrets is not being at her bedside in Hawaii during her final hours, Mendell said.

    “She [Madelyn Dunham] and her husband were really there when he needed their love and support,” Jarrett said. “It should be no surprise that he would say, ‘Yes, this campaign is extremely important, but I am not going to forget the person who raised me and go back and be with her when she needs me.’ ”

    Copyright © 2008 The Seattle Times Company
    http://www.ancestry.com/search/obit/view.aspx?dbid=7545&db=web-obituary&kw=SOETORO&pid=19695717&url=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dweb-obituary%252c%26rank%3d0%26%3d%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%252c%26gsfn%3d%26gsln%3dSOETORO%26sx%3d%26gs1co%3d1%252cAll%2bCountries%26gs1pl%3d1%252c%2b%26year%3d%26yearend%3d%26sbo%3d0%26sbor%3d%26ufr%3d0%26wp%3d4%253b_80000002%253b_80000003%26srchb%3dr%26prox%3d1%26ti%3d0%26ti.si%3d0%26gss%3dangs-i%26fh%3d1&dnyref=1

    Take note of three things. No four things.

    Paragraph 8……. Although she was too ill to travel for the campaign, she followed it closely on television — even undergoing a corneal transplant earlier this year so she could watch the coverage.

    UNDER THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN, OBAMA’S GRANDMOTHER PROBABLY WOULDN’T BE ELIGIBLE FOR A CORNEAL TRANSPLANT BECAUSE SHE’S OLD AND HAS CANCER.

    Paragraph 10 ……. The country hasn’t really met this key figure in Obama’s life. Dunham, who turns 86 on Sunday, has rarely spoken to the media, and she doesn’t appear at campaign events.

    WHY DIDN’T WE MEET MADELYN DUNHAM? JOHN MCCAIN’S 95 YEAR OLDMOTHER APPEARED IN THE MEDIA OFTEN.

    Paragraph 14……. “they’ve struggled in the course of their lives and overcome great obstacles,” said Valerie Jarrett, a close Obama family friend.”

    VALERIE JARRETT WAS NOT ONLY MAYER DALY’S ASSISTANT BUT ALSO MICHELLE OBAMA’S BOSS AND A CLOSE FAMILY FRIEND. AND NOW SHE IS ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT FOR INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT

    Paragraph 23…….This week, Obama returns to those family roots. He is canceling events on most of Thursday and Friday (Oct 23 and 24) to go to Hawaii where his sister is caring for their grandmother.

    ON OCTOBER 26TH WE LEARN THAT OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS SEALED

  124. Under Article I, Congress has the right to regulate insurance plans that operate “among the several states,” and can therefore regulate a single payee for health care claims. (Congress is not determining that physicians must work for the federal government in order to conduct business in the states but only that the insurance paying for the services provided by these doctors, is government insurance.)

    “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; “

  125. I realized this last comment was unclear. I should have said, “In a single-payer plan, for example, Congress would not be determining…” The current plan is not a single-payer plan.

  126. Here’s a better, and easier reading, translation of CNN’s 1:49 post on the Mexican Newspaper article (Greg–the translation you posted reads like it was done by a translation engine)

    US Military Man confirms Obama is not President

    Indicates that the president wasn’t born in the U.S. though a resident of Hawaii.

    Agencias Press, Wednesday July 15, 2009

    Washington–US Major Stefan Frederick Cook refuses to go to war in Afghanistan because he maintains Barack Obama is not president since he wasn’t born in the US, according to the Columbus (Georgia) daily, The Ledger Enquirer.

    Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, two years after the archipelago of Hawaii became the 50th state in the US. The US constitution stipulates that a person must be born on US soil in order to be president.

    But, since the start of his presidential campaign, a rumor has circulated that he is not a natural born US citizen.

    Cook’s attorney, Orly Taitz, who has also questioned the legitimacy of Obama’s presidency before other tribunals (courts), petitioned a federal court last week to stop the official’s deployment as a conscientious objector.

    The daily indicated, in a 20 page document filed before the Intermediate Federal District Court of Georgia, Taitz asked the judges to grant her client conscientious objector status because Obama is not a US natural born citizen and, as such, cannot be Commander in Chief.
    In his petition, Cook added that “he would be acting in violation of international law by participating in US military actions under the orders of this president and would be subject to prosecution as a war criminal.”

    Cook, a US Army Reserve Major, received active duty mobilization orders July 9th.

    In accordance with the document filed in court, he was ordered to report today to MacDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida. From there, he would go to Ft. Benning, Georgia before overseas deployment.

    The daily indicated there would be a judicial hearing on Thursday to study Cook’s case.

  127. I finally figured out how health care ties in with shovel ready projects.
    Allow seniors to die hire people with shovels to bury them.
    NOTE: can’t use machinery because of pollution and oil from foreign lands.

    Another tie in:
    Don’t build nuclear power plants or dig for oil so we can keep outsourcing and sending money to Muslims for oil so that they can spread their influence and religion all over the world.

  128. Greg- a little humor yes, I know darn little. I think Obama has been born everywhere on earth, except the United State of America. Good research on obscure data.

  129. A Watchman on the wall might not fit well among, nor be invited into, the chambers of the skilled scribes and the debaters of the deep affairs of the law and of state…and yet he maintains his post for his ability, and responsibility, to sound a word to the others. It’s not a ‘glorious’ post…but perhaps a necessary one.

  130. Please share your thoughts on each of the questions on your 2009 Proxy Ballot by casting your confidential votes and submitting them.

    https://nrsc.wufoo.com/forms/2009-proxy-online-ballot/

    pass this on, Please.

  131. Zee @ 2:51: great clip…thanks for the post.

  132. TO:
    LM // August 10, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Please share your thoughts on each of the questions on your 2009 Proxy Ballot by casting your confidential votes and submitting them.

    https://nrsc.wufoo.com/forms/2009-proxy-online-ballot/

    pass this on, Please

    +++++++++++++

    I would suggest anyone that fills out this form where they are for who to run for Prez on the LINE OTHER write in: Bobby Jindal is Disqualified he isn’t a Natural Born Citizen like OBAMA

  133. Greg–it’s amazing how those engines are getting better and better. For the general idea of a thing, I guess they’re OK, but can still get things wrong. If you need accurate translation, go to a professional. It’s worth it, legally.

  134. twe, Actually we do as a company do that for any proposals that need translations.

  135. The SEIU member who beat up the guy in St. Louis is running for mayor:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/08/guess_who_beat_up_gladney.html

  136. Carlyle,

    APFC named the Honolulu Advertiser on their site only because they were attributing the image and the statement underneath to an anonymous blogger on td whose comments included the name of the Honolulu Advertiser. Notice when BO asked the court to take judicial notice that APFC noted a HI newspaper had printed a contemporaneous birth announcement, he did not mention the name of the newspaper. I can only speculate as to why; perhaps he knows what you know, that is, this would be so easy to check. (Then, why didn’t Annenberg Political Fact Check, check it?)

  137. Carlyle,

    Post that question on my blog so that I can copy my answer there, please.

    Thanks.

    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  138. Political cartoon:’

  139. We Constitutionalists are a mix of Democrats (Hillary supporters) Republicans, Independents etc. When Obama entered the contest which he should not have, knowing that he was not an NBC, he skewed the entire process and stole from all the other candidates, their supporters, the people who volunteered to help their candidate. To me it is on a par with athlete’s who cheat (steroids), its a lie. Hillary and John McCain are very good friends, and don’t forget she started out as a Goldwater girl. The original Barry he was cool. Don’t forget you don’t need to always agree with someone, but it is essential to respect them and their views. This is where Obama and I seperate.
    For McCain supporters.
    I never saw this side of McCain until after the election. If you need a laugh Google this up. He cracked me up. Maybe I didn’t agree with his politics but I sure respected what he endured for our country in the prison camp.
    JOHN McCAIN Raises the Roof at the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Dinner (Video)

  140. Hey twe, can ya help with this one?

    http://zozamweeklynews.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-kenya-ah-piang-us-president-ni.html

    If there is no information then no need to post. But I would like to the country of origin.

  141. twe-Thank you It is the best political cartoon ever. Hang it right over the Joker poster and even the most obtuse would get the drift.

  142. Hi Greg: btw: I was only kidding about the whole “No Apologies Tour”-thing in lieu of your BBQ, in case you thunk I be serious.

    You be long way from sunny-beach-coast…where I hang out with all the other sunny-beaches, you know? But, if I have the means, by all means…and I can justify the expense of a RT-airfare to your ‘hood…(I’m guessing by then probably in the 5-bills ‘hood?)…AND the whole reason to celebrate ‘warrants’ (pun) it, it sounds mighty tempting, and even fun. Right now I cannot say I’ll be able to attend ABSOLUTELY.
    ———————————————————
    Someone, somewhere posted news about Ben Stein…what was that about?
    Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?!…

  143. http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/10/expelled-from-the-new-york-tim

    Redo, I loved Ferris Bueller. I posted this earlier.

  144. OT: I think the Joker poster is outstanding, and apparantly is just the irritant the oyster needed; I think I read they it’s really causing some seething ‘over there’.

    ‘Would seem like some graphic that utilized it in conjunction with the ‘don’t tread on me’ thing…maybe? Don’t know how that would work. Or, it also makes me think
    “look who’s looking out for you now”…or
    “look who’s looking out for your kids now…”
    …not a good ‘babysitter’ advertisement logo, anyway.

  145. citizenwells

    scarolina.
    Yes.
    How much kool aid did he drink.
    I used to have respect for Graham.

  146. jbjd // August 10, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Under Article I, Congress has the right to regulate insurance plans that operate “among the several states,” and can therefore regulate a single payee for health care claims. (Congress is not determining that physicians must work for the federal government in order to conduct business in the states but only that the insurance paying for the services provided by these doctors, is government insurance.)

    “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; “

    ———————–

    That only applies to commerce. Health care is a service, not merchandise. The word commercium means merchandise.

    Now, if they want to regulate drugs, equipment, and other items crossing over state boundaries, then this would indeed apply.

    And this gets even better. States don’t have to allow regulation by the federal government when the healthcare is:

    1. Provided exclusively by the state
    2. No services are provided outside of the state
    3. No physicians operate outside of the state

    This is just like the gun law passed by Montana. No interstate, no fed control.

    Hence the sovereignty movements by the states. Watch and witness how the state legislators are going to file suit on this Hitlercare bill, if it ever gets passed.

  147. Venic @ 4:49: thanks for the link! I’m pasting this portion I copied from there:
    ———————————————————
    “Then, two things happened to change and end my career at the Times. Well, maybe three. The Times told me they were forced by budgetary pressures to only run me every four weeks. This was a blow and I started to think about where else I might write. (I had been solicited by many major publications while at the Times but my editors had asked me not to write for them and I did as asked.)”
    ——————————————————–
    I loved that last sentence of the paragraph, for they reflect, in their simplicity, the words/heart/integrity of a truly honorable man.
    And it’s words like that that made me suggest the he’d be the perfect spokesperson for someone like Orly…but that’s not likely to happen.

    I certainly do hope to see Ben engaged in the political arena…he woulda been a great addition to, say, a Ronald Reagan-type ‘team’. I think Ben is a gem. I believe he’ll wind up with a better ‘vehicle’….we’ll see.

  148. Venice, Venice, Venice…(practicing hitting the ‘e’ key…) which, in itself sounds like the chirpping of some African bird species…
    “E-key!, E-key!…E-key!, E-key!”…
    which I’m sure has nothing to do with BC’s…
    heh…

  149. Everyone,

    Insurance that operates across state lines, that is, to use the words of the Constitution, “among the several states,” triggers Congressional oversight. An insurance plan that does not operate across state lines, even to use the ‘wires’ to transfer payments or records, for example, generally does not implicate a federal concern.

    I found that understanding what ‘nationalized’ health care looks like was much easier once I looked at how other capitalist democracies have been providing better less expensive health care for their citizens, for years.
    SICK AROUND THE WORLD

  150. Greg–Zozam is from Mizoram, India (one of the far eastern states) and Zozam just came on line in March this year. I don’t know if the language is Hindi or a regional dialect. I only know a few phrases in Hindi…so, no real help there. But, if you know someone from there, perhaps they can translate:

    This is from one of their information pages:

    Zozam Weekly

    * Industry: Communications or Media
    * Location: Aizawl : Mizoram : India

    About Me

    The undisputed number one news weekly magazine published in Mizoram.
    My Blogs

    Team Members
    Zozam Weekly Lalhruaitluanga Chawngte Vanlalhlua Hmingsanga Lalremruata Renthlei Bcha Lalthlamuana Ralte Tetea Sangzuala Hmar
    Blogs I Follow
    Lawrkhawm – news, pictures, videos, and more! / Published News
    mi(sual).com
    ZOZEPUI

  151. Re-do // August 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Thanks Re-do. I try to be consistent. Obviously when facts are revealed some of our ideas change.

    But, the bottom line is, CONgrass is way way WAY out of bounds. They can’t read any bills they pass because the bills they are reading grant too much power to the federal government, something the framers never ever expected to happen.

    Bottom line:

    If you can’t read bills, you’re too big and too fat for your own good.

  152. OT…but “oooo….oooo….oooo!” I just thought of a question I’d like to hear posed to BHO at a Town Hall meeting!…
    “Mr. Resident: would you trust Bill Clinton to be alone with Michelle? (I don’t think Hillary would, by the way…but that’s just me…)”
    ———————————————————-
    As Redd Roxx woulda said,
    “Ah…you’re just tryin’ ta hand me that ‘old tomato’!”
    ———————————————————–
    Hi JeffM…ever notice how often my posts are immediately ‘followed’?
    …coinky-dink, I’m sure of it.

  153. jbjd said:

    “I found that understanding what ‘nationalized’ health care looks like was much easier once I looked at how other capitalist democracies have been providing better less expensive health care for their citizens, for years.”

    There are a few issues with that train of thought:

    1. Many nationalized healthcare nations, like the U.K. and Canada, are ready to ditch their plans because, get this… they’re too expensive to operate and rationing has caused extreme loss of life that could be avoided.
    2. We are not a capitalist democracy.
    3. The regime is counting illegals in their numbers of uninsured “Americans”

    Here’s an excellent summary of what’s going on in other parts of the world:

    http://www.thenextright.com/dave-nalle/the-human-cost-of-healthcare-reform

    And before you make any assumptions about what I’m saying, I have plenty of friends and relatives living in the UK who will clearly vouch just how horrid their system of healthcare is, especially for those with pre-existing conditions or are over the age of 55.

    Do not kid yourselves people. The current system cares for the indegent and poor just as well as regular people pay for. Most facilities do not deny emergency care, and that’s the most critical strength the current system of healthcare.

    The only thing wrong with our current system of health is that we continue to care for NON-CITIZENS!!! You think the illegal immigration problem we have is bad now, wait until all the rest of the Mexicans find out everyone and their uncle will get 100% coverage just by being inside the borders!

  154. Nancy Peacock

    I didn’t know that national health care was considered commerce.

  155. Nancy Peacock

    In fact, I pity the poor woman who has complications while delivering a baby at one of the “birthing centers” (not a hospital) by a certified birthing specialist (not a doctor). I guess only the strong survive.

  156. I’m writing this one to pay a compliment…and no reply is sought, or needed, please… to CW:

    on his exercising such great restraint, as I see it, re who-be-who-here; a sign of wisdom. I can’t help but imagine that there are many ‘scars on your tongue’ from the number of times you’ve withstood the temptation to jump in the pool.
    For the restraint, you’ve won my deep respect’ for whatever that’s worth. and I ask that you forgive me if, in any way, I have added fuel to that temptation.

    Me and my bent for the quick-reply find it difficult to read the words of Abe Lincoln, who’s credited with:
    “Better to be thought a fool, than speak up and remove all doubt.”
    …so for jesters of old, and the present, are oft considered fools for their love of laughter.
    ——————————————————–
    some Proverbs:
    13:17: An unreliable messanger can cause a lot of trouble. Reliable communication permits progress….
    13:20: Be with wise men and become wise. Be with evil men and become evil.
    ——————————————————–
    I like hanging out with the wise guys here…hehe.

  157. Video: MSNBC Host: Word “Socialist” Code For The “N-Word” (f@!%#! Ridiculous)
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  158. ccwarrior,

    Thanks for the link. This is yet the best example of mindf@!%#! I have yet seen.

  159. Nancy Peacock

    I’m with you, Re-do; Methinks I’ll go put on my muzzle.

  160. Re; Portugese revolutionary & Fernley GIRL and Western Civilization.
    First of all join ACT FOR AMERICA.
    Then consider the demography rayes + our current last two generations..they aren’t breeding.They are hanging out with buddies,on their apple ipods,taking a few classes until they are 35 then start hooking up.They pump out babies at 40 if we are lucky.That is…if they are not gay.I cannot count how many in my punk peer group bypassed mating.Sorry its tribal….

  161. ccwarrior–??huh?? not you…but those saying this

    One of the Alinsky rules says that a tactic is to accuse the OPFOR (opposing forces) of doing things you are doing…

    …just saying!!

  162. Speaking of Alinsky, has everyone else noticed that Rules of Radicals by Saul Alinsky is a bestseller (in the top 100).

    Maybe many are finally waking up.

  163. Nancy P @ 5:55: to be clear, I mean that as the Chief of this site, there are understandable reasons for just remaining a silent…against what may be strong temptation…for freedom of exchange to remain as open as it is…meaning: the rest of us can ‘have at it!’
    …being civil about it, of course.

  164. Since when did socialism become a race?

    Sign me up as a socialist then. Do I get to become a protected class too? Can I create a casino where only my “socialist friends” are allowed? Pretty please???

    And what color can I be? Purple? Blue? Green? Can I pull my purple race card out whan I want to???

  165. This is all they got ” The Race Card” crying wolf.
    It will no longer silence Americans. We will “STAND UP” “SPEAK UP” and you can stick your race card UP your “Holy Father” forgive me

  166. Re-Do —

    No, I’m sorry that I did not notice the context.

    However, because of the process of “moderation,” when it is in operation, causes comments sometimes to pass each other like “snail mail.”

    I apologize.

    What I was addressing was this point — our tent is getting bigger and bigger, and the early ones inside the tent need to make room for new people coming in every day.

    I know there are people here who like McCain — I do not — but my reasons I have made clear. His campaign badly mistreated Hollister, who was just trying to get at the truth about HIS birth certificate.

    I know there are people here who do NOT like Hillary — but I’m not one of them, and I have a very high regard for Sarah. However, I distrust Medved, Hannity, and Beck, because I see the world from a different view.

    But, as the tent gets bigger and bigger, then there will be more and more differences in how we all view the world, and room has to be made for all of them, because it is more important to get to the truth about Obama.

    On the other hand, I’m a big fan of Alan Keyes –Go figure!

  167. ccwarrior,

    It’s a sign they’re getting really, really desperate. What this administration is trying to do is to create a racial war out of a constitutional one.

    You have the marxist fascists as one “race”, and “We the People” as the other “race”. They assume that this will work just as well as it did during the campaign when the majority of republicans were white and the majority of the democrats were minorities.

    Those demographics have shifted greatly.

  168. JeffM @ 6:09: okay…but watch out for those
    ‘one-eyed, one-horned, flying Purple People Eaters….’
    ……………………………………………………………
    Bob @ 6:15: call it ‘narrow’ if you want, but I only want reliable, trustworthy defenders of the Constitution in ‘my’ tent…or, maybe I should say, I want to be in theirs. AND: I want the guys at the door to have proven discernment and skill as to identifying the imposters. Make sense?
    They can go create their own village.

  169. Bob…respectfully…I would have to ask you:
    Which parts of the “Chronicles” to you find tolerable?…or are you persuaded all of, or most of, that is fabricated…just a big ‘yarn’? Just ‘propoganda’? If so…where are all those people?

    Secondly, which members of your family would trust into their keeping?…seriously…not being sarcastic here.

  170. JeffM // August 10, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Price of health around the world.

    Comparing apples to pineapples.

    Around the world they don’t have the crisis that we have with malpractice lawsuits. Their doctors get paid little money, they are probably not required to carry Liabiltiy Ins. Workmen’s Comp, etc.
    Medical supplies are probbaly cheaper there and probably no Unions.

    Also Real Estate is probably cheaper there as well. They probably also don’t spend as much money in useless advertising.

    Health Insurance is most expensive for the reasons above PLUS alot of the care that is done now that was unheard of many yrs ago, like all types of transplands and implants which also drives costs up. We have people here that are in their 80’s and 90’s who are walking around, golfing, travelling, etc and in alot of those countries they live as long but are bed ridden or in wheel chairs for many yrs at the end.

    Most people are happy with what they have here I DON’T GIVE A CRAP about what other countries have or don’t have, and there is no need to look to them. They look to us that should tell everyone something.

    If the problem is that some people not insured FIX that and insure them and charge them and leave the rest of us alone. If I have a problem with my toe I don’t expect the doctor to reapair my whole body because my toe is injured.

    This is all about GOV’T CONTROL which is OUT of CONTROL already GET OUT OF MY LIFE ALREADY. We need to SHRINK this Gov’t by 10% every year for the next 9 yrs. That will be about the right size. REVERSE the EROSIONISM of the Republic and Constitution.

  171. I think from what I am reading that one of the major problems with the Obama Bill, is that it covers illegal aliens. In justice that part has got to go, it is not moral nor is it just. I think it is a ploy to buy votes it is just plain wrong. You cannot compare a legal American citizen and a illegal alien as the same thing . They are not, even if Obama suffers from the same status. I read months ago that the Catholic hospitals would not deny critical care for illegals. In justice they have to but they don’t expect others or the federal government to do the same. This country has got to get these citizen issues resolved once and for all.

  172. TO:
    venice // August 10, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Speaking of Alinsky, has everyone else noticed that Rules of Radicals by Saul Alinsky is a bestseller (in the top 100).

    Maybe many are finally waking up.
    ==================

    Probably O’JOKER used taxpayer money to buy a whole bunch and pass it out to all his minions. Mandatory reading to be in the “Radicals Association”.

  173. TO:
    Rocknee // August 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Its saddens me to say somehow I got on this guys email list, David Axlerod, the Inc Man. This is the new info coming out of the White House.
    ==============

    That’s actually a good thing stay there to keep us informed of teh Evil Empires Moves and .gov/FantasyCheck.

  174. TO:

    Michelle // August 10, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    I think from what I am reading that one of the major problems with the Obama Bill, is that it covers illegal aliens.
    =====================

    I think covering illegals that come here is UNFAIR to make it fair we should also cover all the ones that didn’t come. Why not cover all the other Mexican, Guatamalan, Brazilian, Irish, Domicans, etc. citizens that didn’t come I think that is the Fair thing to do. If we can cover foreign citizens of all those countries that came here illegally it is only fair to COVER THEM ALL. Why limit it to only the 20-30Million?

    This is SO MORONIC…..when did common sense get diseased away by LIE-beralism?

  175. JeffM @ 5:17:
    “…I try to be consistent. Obviously when facts are revealed some of our ideas change.”
    ——————————————————
    Agreed…but here, where there known infiltration and an agenda to mislead…the “what” still comes in second to “why?”…not ‘what’ they are saying…but ‘why are they saying that, here…now’?

    Again I’ll refer to “Russia House”..maybe you did see it…it contained some good lessons about Yogi figured out: “you can observe alot by watching”.
    btw: I doubt Yogi ever got invited to the Bilberberg meetings.

  176. typos abounding: “where there is known infiltration…”
    and “maybe you DIDN’T see it…”
    …and, I’m not sure if that’s how you spell “Bilderberg”…but you know the folks…the guys with the big, fat wallets.

  177. CNN,

    Could you please write to Leo D to ask him to change that link from OFI to jbjd? OFI changed actual links that appeared in my original article; thus undermining the article’s credibility. Leo has been alerted and, he put up my comments on the subject. But the link at the top of your comment, to OFI, is still there.

    Thank you.

  178. Bob: notice anything ‘unusual’ lately? Hmmm?

  179. Uh-oh…I feel a song coming on…
    “and it was just my imagination….
    running away with me, yeah…
    ’cause it was just my imagination…
    oooo, yeah….Baby…”
    ——————————————————–
    “baaaaahhhhh!!!”

  180. Obama Caught Lying Again! Making Back Room Deals with Pharmaceutical Lobbyist

  181. Re-do,

    You know that gut feeling you get when something tells you something is not right. Well, not everybody gets it unfortunately, but one can always learn.

  182. We got them Scrambling and pooping themselves.

    Now MOBam Thugs visit a senior citizen and a handicapped citizen in the middle of the night. Visiting TownHells is labelled “Mob” behavior but do the LIE-berals quiet thing s down by asking for civility especially from MOBama Thugs?

  183. If I have this straight Ben Stein wrote an article critical of the one and only Obama and now he’s fired. Is this getting to be a trend? Directly or indirectly how many have been fired for 1. telling the truth 2. being critical of the “ONE”? Does free speech mean you say or write something that the current administration does not like then just sit there and wait until the axe falls? Is the ONE trying to chill free speech? I think he is getting cranky because his numbers are in free fall, and the adoring but idiotic crowds are gone. I truly think he is done. He has totally lost respect of about 85 per cent of the country and I doubt he could ever get it back.

  184. WOW maybe the ObaMORONS are waking up. Was this on CNN? Maybe Lou DObbs was right when he said that Joe Klein was committed to bringing CNN more to the center.

    Aleluia

  185. venice @ 8:06:
    “…but one can always learn.”
    ——————————————————
    yeh…I suppose…if they want to…
    ah: the tricky part. But you know what? money, and the perceived possibility for personal gain has a funny way of stunting that learning process…it’s a pretty powerful thing; that love of money…it’s the root of all sorts of evils.

    Want to get at the ‘root’ of all the corruption? How does the saying go? “follow the money”
    …it always leads you right to it…never fails.

  186. besides…who needs to be learnt if ya got cash?

  187. michelle…reposting venice @ 4:49 something:
    re Ben Stein…just so’s you don’t have to go chasing it down…

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/10/expelled-from-the-new-york-tim

  188. We need to remand Obama into the custody of Chickenman-he’s everywhere, he’s everywhere, just like Obama’s birth certificate.
    Now you can own every radio episode of the most fantastic crime fighter the world has ever known, thanks to
    THE STORY OF CHICKENMAN!
    We need Chickenman because this is the most fantastic crime the world has ever known and even Obama cannot fire Chickenman.

  189. Re-Do —

    I really have no idea what you mean.

    I’ve had had a long history working INSIDE Chicago politics. I used to be known by my REAL first name to the present Mayor’s father, and could walk into his office unannounced.

    I’m the same age as the present Mayor of Chicago, and I knew him when he was still in school, and also HRC before she left for Arakansas (so I think I know her well), but I no longer live anywhere near Chicago (for reasons that I have talked about before), but will not rehash here.

    I know where many of the skeletons are buried, and I could lead you to even better websites than you are reading now. But, it is YOU that I do not know.

  190. Re-do,
    Won’t argue with there, but what about when there ‘s no apparent secondary gain. No matter how you try, the light just doesn’t go on. You know like some (I’m not going to say all) who voted for the One.

  191. goodtimepolitics

    I would not trust Obama at all. He has lied to the American people from the start.
    Look what people in North Carolina says about the Cash for Clunkers Obama program!

    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2009/08/10/do-you-think-the-government%e2%80%99s-cash-for-clunkers-was-a-good-idea-see-for-yourself-what-people-are-saying/

  192. Bob @ 8:23: since you did not (by time or quote) reference which post you are replying to, I cannot respond appropriately.
    ——————————————————
    agreed: you do not know me. As I posted earlier, I’m just a watchman…there are plenty of deep thinkers and those with legal-smarts much better educated and skilled at responding to detailed questions…which is why I visit ‘their tent’ here, so to speak…copying the language of another comment.
    ———————————————————
    I’m sure there are lots of sites to visit…many of them get linked to comments here; when they appear to be of interest and/or relevance, I go there…time permitting. I do have a life, fortunately…and don’t get paid for visiting here;
    so I gotta earn my keep on my own…a concept that seems to be fading into the sunset.
    ———————————————————–
    Guess if things don’t work out in favor of small business, I could go check out a gubmint job…seems they’re into expanding.

  193. Jacqlyn Smith

    Go to ……http://www.americasright.com/

    How many of you have heard about this????
    Won’t investigate the FRAUD in our HOUSE….but now they are going to investigate the CIA….What a joke this is!!!! Any chance someone in the CIA might take out HOLDER and the FRAUD to prevent a National crisis????

    Who, may I ask, is un-American?

    Assigned Reading: Criminal Investigation Into CIA Treatment of Detainees Expected
    (FROM: Los Angeles Times)

    On a day when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House No. 2 Steny Hoyer denounce as “un-American” efforts by everyday constituents’ attempts to have their voice heard on the healthcare debate, we have news that the Justice Department plans to launch a criminal investigation into treatment of terrorists by the Central Intelligence Agency.

    This has been in the works for a long time now, but at this point I wonder what kind of backlash the Justice Department will receive. Americans are awakening to find that we have a party currently in power which is not only actively working against the American economy but against American national security as well.

    What incentive do the brave men and women on the front lines in our intelligence community have to stick their necks out to protect the American people, when it is people like Pelosi, and Holder, and Obama who have the scimitar ready, when they face life-changing danger at home and abroad? The Times piece notes that CIA officials preparing for retirement are sticking around longer to ensure access to the confidential information needed to defend themselves against criminal charges — what kind of environment is that?

    One of these mornings, ordinary folks from across the country are going to flip on the televisions over coffee and find innocent Americans laying dead at the hands of terrorists who could have been stopped with actionable intelligence, but instead were permitted to kill by American Democrats more concerned about power in perpetuity than the safety and security of the American people.

    Who, may I ask, is being un-American?

  194. re-do . Thank you just sent Mr. Stein a mash note. I mean really who could resist that face.

  195. Re-do —

    My grandfather was a chief engineer building the bridges that cross the Chicago River into the Loop, the ones that are filmed in the Batman movies.

    He also built the 1933 Century of Progress Exposition before he retired.

    My mother was a founding member of the Chicago Teachers Union.

    I supported John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. Do you know who Hillary campaigned for — you would be right if you said “Barry Goldwater.”

    After school we would hang out at the same place. The restaurant has placed a plaque the table where Hillary used to hang out. But no one else got one — we went to different high schools.

    Still, I often go there from time to time for Saturday Breakfast when I’m in visiting. She has not been there for years — maybe once or twice when she was campaigning in Illinois.

    So, if I want to support Hillary — I will!

  196. Jacqlyn-“more concerned about power in perpetuity ” these Democrats don’t know it yet, because they are so out of touch with the American people-they are so done, no one except a few die hard supporters, and those on the take will have anything to do with them. Just because they have no morals, no integrity, no patriotism and they are totally corrupt is not a way to stay in their jobs in perpetuity (could be defined as one more week). I think you will see more and more of them booed publicly. Too many lies, people are catching on and spreading the word. I think that is part of the reason for the Health Care Plan fizzling. No time to read, that is the excuse they used for the bail-out bonuses. Do you think any taxpayer is going to forget that lie? You could almost write the Republican slogans for any election coming up. Watch Republicans are going to take everything. Why? Democrats too corrupt, too incompetent. I hope some Independents or other parties run, they may have a very good chance. The Democrats did this to themselves, by supporting the Arrogant One.

  197. Bob @ 8:49: you’ve made your point; clearly.

  198. Michelle @ 6:47:
    “…you just sent Mr. Stein a mash note…”
    ——————————————————–
    Sorry, Michelle…I’m not sure what your comment means; therefore, I cannot tell if that’s a good thing, or a bad thing. Wanna ‘splain me what you mean by ‘mash note”?…Folks in these parts don’t use expressions like that*
    If it’s a good one, maybe they should.

    * they say stuff like,
    “awesome! DUDE!…that’s really gnarly!!” or
    at the lunch rush hour you might hear,
    “ju whan fries weethat?”

  199. Bob-I have some cousins that live in Park Ridge. I used to laugh every time we went thru there because it was “dry”. I wonder if it still is? I just loved those little towns in Illinois-I saw Mrs. Clinton on the news tonight-some translating problem? or the reporter got mixed up and thought Bill is still President. Hillary lost her cool a little bit, which is rare for her. I prefer the feisty Hillary anyway, I don’t know that’s just me. I don’t know if it was me or the camera angle but it looked like she put on some weight, she looked a little swollen. I hope she’s ok. I remember what it was about she told the reporter that she could think and speak for herself, but she would not do that for her husband. Sounds like a girl who grew up in Illinois.

  200. truthbetold11

    that guy with his son in the wheelchair is man of conviction. he would be force with his words ib these healthcare debates. obama smoothed talked the elderly vote and now they see the truth and are furious

  201. WOW, what a difference a little letter makes D instead of R and a few yrs later. Now itseems like Bush was an Eagle Scout.

  202. From: http://www.repubx.com
    A constituent asked where is the birth certificate, crowd cheered. This is a response to another genius congress person. How come so few know anything about our Constitution or are they just playing dumb?
    Sen. McCaskill then needs to investigate the issue……just don’t stand up and say I “do not get it”. There is a legitimate question coming from the people of your State (which should be important to you) because of “where” Mr. Barack Obama was born (Hawaii) and the laws there. There is a legitimate reason to check the original birth certificate to see if it was a “delayed birth certificate” or what? What is bothering all America and continues to grow is the fact that “he knows” and is fighting showing not only his birth certificate but his school records and spending millions to keep it a secret…that Sen. McCaskill is NOT transparency as promised. And, if you “do not get it”, I think you shouldn’t be a Senator working for the people.
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    Mike Smith

  203. I Posted this yesterday BUT it is Relevant Everyday until O’Joker is O’Gone.

  204. Michelle —

    I’ve been a Badger now for more than 20 years —
    but I lived both in Norwood Park and Des Plaines.

    Many opposites from Hyde Park — surrounded by police officers, firemen, small businessmen.

    One night I sat on the sidewalk when John Paul II drove through the old neighborhood.

    Unfortunately, Chicago-style “pay for play” has also entered into Wisconsin politics in a big way.
    Doyle campaigned for Obama.

    Got to see Sarah Palin up-close-and personal in Cederburg, Wisconsin, on her first stop after the Twin Cities convention. She is ALSO VERY impressive, in person.

  205. re-do mash note equals love letter.

  206. Bob-Norwood Park Township, that is where my mother and my godmother grew up. Harlem and Irving Shopping Center, state police headquarters were over there. I remember my godmother flipping out because they were going to close Duning-she said old man Duning bequeathed it as a facility for the insane and it was “in perpetuity”. I remember her saying since when is “in perpetuity” less than 50years. They probably did or tried to do it since the property must have gotten very expensive over the years, but you know how they are in Illinois don’t mess with a will. One of my cousins (21) got killed coming home from work at O’Hare and his father was a Chicago policeman. My mother and I went to the wake, I will never forget the streets were wall to wall police cars for miles. It was wonderful, but terrible at the same time. Did you ever meet Timmy Doyle? (a friend of our family).

  207. Jacqlyn Smith

    The following was posted at the AGJ forum of which I am a member….please read it and pass it to everyone you know!!
    ****************************************************************

    I received this in an email this morning. I am posting it here for all to read because I believe it warrants our attention.

    Quote
    Subject: Dr. Charles Krauthammer

    Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. and a lawyer and is paralyzed from the neck down. A friend went to hear Charles Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in a closed room. What he says here, is NOT 2nd-hand but 1st. The ramifications are staggering for us, our children and their children.

    Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to the Center for the American Experiment. He is brilliant intellectual, seasoned & articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views. He is a fiscal conservative, and has received a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post. The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have summarized his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters economically and internationally. Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free.
    Summary of his comments:

    1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn’t show his emotions. It’s very hard to know what’s behind the mask. The taking down of the Clinton dynasty by a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

    2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he’s on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

    3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including dismantling capitalism. He can’t be straightforward on his ambitions, as the public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

    4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, and NATIONAL HEALTHCARE by the Federal government. He doesn’t care about the auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada . God forbid!

    5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can’t work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he’s a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does, not what he says.

    6. Obama doesn’t really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate & coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America , as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!

    7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is reelected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Dr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

    8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state’s rights.

    9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don’t have. This could lead to hyperinflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity. The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bailouts didn’t work, nor will the stimulus package. These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama’s allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

    10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

    11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept back into power. If it’s under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it’s between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what’s happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal resistance. The work will be hard, but we’re right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it’s far too late.

    Do yourself a long term favor, send this to all who will listen to an intelligent assessment of the big picture. All our futures and children’s futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC, and our action pursuant to that understanding!! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!
    _____________

  208. Patriot Dreamer

    OT:

    “Czech Republic Refuses Baxter Swine Flu Vaccine On Safety Grounds”
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/czech-republic-refuses-baxter-swine-flu-vaccine-on-safety-grounds.html

  209. Jacqlyn,

    Thank you for that post. I have been singing Krauthammer’s praises for some time.

    Please realize that he is an M.D. having specialized in psychiatry. Whatever views you may have about psychiatrists, when you have someone as brilliant as him, their word means something. In this case, it may save the country.

    I can assure you that Krauthammer doesn’t think Obama is a narcissist. He knows it. But that’s just a word. What’s important is understanding the seriousness of this condition in a political leader of this magnitude.

    Please distribute this piece far and wide.

  210. Jacqlyn-I read this some where before. I agree with everything except very intellectual, charming individual. Sounds street smart, throws around some ten dollar words but not too intellectual to me at all. On charm I would go to the snake/mongoose attraction. I don’t and never have seen anything charming or attractive about this guy. I notice comments everywhere are getting more pointed as opposed to veiled. Guys in Congress are being described to use a kind word as eunuchs and more and more are more than hinting that Obama is more attracted to not the opposite sex. Can you see our military reacting to that little issue? He is just so totally boring to me other than his usurper issues.

  211. Charles K is a brilliant man. I could sit and listen to him for hours if they’d give him enough air time. I agree with his analysis of the GOP future leaders, except is Jindahl eligible for the top job or is he not a NBC either?

    Bob and Michelle have said it well regarding Hillary Clinton. Many her supporters joined various groups and many ended up at tea parties and standing up for the Constitution and fighting against Obama’s ineligibility. So I don’t believe that the “Patriots” are exclusively “far right”
    politically. The focus is on getting the usurper
    fraud out, the quicker the better.

  212. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    venice // August 10, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Jacqlyn,

    Thank you for that post. I have been singing Krauthammer’s praises for some time.

    Please realize that he is an M.D. having specialized in psychiatry. Whatever views you may have about psychiatrists, when you have someone as brilliant as him, their word means something. In this case, it may save the country.

    I can assure you that Krauthammer doesn’t think Obama is a narcissist. He knows it. But that’s just a word. What’s important is understanding the seriousness of this condition in a political leader of this magnitude.

    Please distribute this piece far and wide.

    **************************************************
    Venice…I love Charles….anytime he is on the panel of Fox News I listen very intently to him….he is a realist and always comes across with very good comparisons and examples about what is going on in our country today! 🙂

  213. Patriot Dreamer // August 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Thanks. PD, for that article, and good on the Czech Republic! They almost had a massive pandemic on their hands. Glad an astute scientist or team figured out what had happened with the shipment of vaccine that was contaminated.

    Europe will be getting Baxter’s garbage vaccine and it’ll be interesting to tally the flu deaths vs. the vaccine deaths this winter.

    The U.S. will be getting Novartis’ vaccine but again, I caution: Novartis has a patent on an ‘adjuvant’ (a substance that increases the number of doses you can get from a batch) and that adjuvant may be squalene. Squalene is the prime suspect in causing illnesses such as Gulf War Syndrome and perhaps Lupus and MS.

    Their vaccine is being rushed through clinical trials but it still may not be safe. Beware the H1N1 series of two shots and please don’t go there. You’re better off practicing normal seasonal flu precautions (washing hands, covering coughs, staying away from anyone visibly ill, and boosting your immune system).

    No, no, Novartis.

  214. Patriot Dreamer

    No vaccine for me or my kid. I’m going to be a “refusenik”!

    😀

  215. Hannity Last Night what ended up happening?
    Any Videos?

    Thanks.

  216. PRWH

    Isnt his videos on Oil for Immigration?

  217. Rocknee // August 10, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    PRWH

    Isnt his videos on Oil for Immigration?
    =============

    I don;t believe so, those are old videos before the election.

    ANYONE?

  218. Bobby Jindal was born in the USA of two non-citizen parents and is not a natural born citizen. It pains me to say that, but we all have to honor The Constitution. He is ineligible, as is Obama.

  219. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105904

    WND did an article on NBC.

    They quote Kreep saying it doesn’t matter who your parents are!

    Kreep needs to go back to law school. He’s a joke!

    WND studiously avoides citing SCOTUS and even says SCOTUS has never cited.

    This is Obot propaganda, has WND gone over to the dark side?

  220. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    When contacting journalists about the eligibility issue, point out that in not covering this they are hypocrites, because they gleefully dug up bunches of stuff on other candidates

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106051

  221. I am amazed at how quickly people forget that republicans were complicit in getting us to where we are at today. So the democrat trifecta of Obama, Pelosi and Reid are crashing and burning and people are starting to buzz about getting a republican majority in 2010. And the corrupt Hillary Clinton doesn’t look as tarnished now compared to Obama.
    How can we expect anything to improve for us if we continue with any of these career politicians in a two headed one party system???
    And until that illuminati symbol is off of our currency we will never have freedom.

  222. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jbjd,

    Seems like Leo has responded to your request for citation on his blog:

    “[Ed. OK, give me the link to the post you published and I’ll add it to that comment. Furthermore, I am considering a new post for my blog based on this concept and I want to give credit where it’s due – so please send me a history of this publication and correspondence and I’ll make sure you get the proper credit for the idea. It’s a very good point and one that deserves more attention. I’ll send you an email at the email you’ve given here and you can get me all the relevant info. I will not be taking any credit for this idea – but I think it should be discussed. The judicial notice thing seems to have left them wide open to attack. I’m not the go to guy on the BC, but this is interesting from a legal practice perspective as it relates to the issues of the defenses raised in prior litigation.]”

    So I’ll leave it for you guys now.

    A post from me recognizing the fact, I don’t think would have much value.

  223. Craigslist ads recruiting ‘Obamacare’ lobbyists
    ‘Help pass Obama’s health care reform! Earn $325-$550 per week!’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106537

  224. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kim,

    Let’s not forget that McCain still is Obama’s ally on the NBC issue, and is a full supporter of his usurpation.

    He betrayed his country in running for the Presidency, he betryaed his country in lying down like a dog and letting Obama stomp over him; he betrayed his country by not objecting in the Joint Session…

    Thrice a traitor…

    and to his name you can add EVERY other Republican congressman…

    They all need to go…

  225. CNN,

    But your original comment contains the wrong cite, right on top; so that even Leo read the wrong article. It’s the link you posted in your comment that needs to be changed.

  226. Patriot Dreamer // August 10, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Right, P.D! I was talking to my lung doc today and clued her in-she wasn’t aware of the Baxter/Novartis issues. Neither she, nor her hubby and two young’uns will be getting the H1N1 vaccine, either. She agreed that the FDA is going full-throttle to push this stuff out there.

    Please also keep in mind that this will be yet another ‘created’ crisis this fall.

  227. I hope that the momentum continues with the awakening of the Conservatives back to the Constitution. We can’t stop at health care. Personally, I won’t be happy until Monsanto stops messing with our food supply, Baxter and Novartis stop experimenting with our bodies, and (whoever) stops spraying chemicals across the skies.
    There is so much to do.

  228. FOX40 NEWS: Obama’s Birth Certificate Question Asked Of Sen. McCaskill
    (00:55)

    http://www.fox40.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=0c14f39f-726e-493e-a3a0-5ac41c2049d2&src=front

  229. That’s ok, add McCaskill to the “You and your treator f4t a$$ are both FIRED!” list.

  230. Hannity Big News Yeterday anyone know the outcome?
    Any video of his great big story?

  231. McCaskill, that’s RIGHT YOU JUST DON”T GET IT, because you are SO STUPID that you don’t get it we will REPLACE YOU WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL GET IT.

  232. OriginUknown

    Article highlighting the so called “Birth Announcements”, it pains me to realize that no media outlet has even verified these announcements even exist. How is it these things go by News station desks unverified yet are held up as the proof even in “COURT” as the unshakable truth. This PO’s me to a new level. Can anyone in the State of Hawaii verify these announcements for the News Media, there to busy with there heads buried in there a$$e$$ apparently to do any work.

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7014

  233. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Origin,

    Phil posted that at my suggestion: the original article in full is from our resident lawyer, jbjd, with whom I’ve tangled a bit…

    http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/rumors-lies-and-unsubstantiated-facts/

    but on this one, I give him a thumbs up…

  234. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Many posters ask what needs to be done next.

    That question cannot be answered completely in an open forum, because Obamaniacs want to know what we will do next too.

    But what we need to do is get a unified strategy, and stop nit picking the constitutional crisis.

    If we don’t organize, the Usurper will trample us, because in every revolution, the best organized wins.

    The South had a great deal of zeal and the better generals; but they lacked financial organization and economic initiative to respond to the needs of the struggle they began; and they had no idea that they would be met with organized opposition, which Lincoln brought to bear.

    (I mention this as an example, I am not a Southerner…nor a Northerner, my relatives all imigrated here after the Civil War.)

    But the South lost because the North was more organized, even if its generals were almost universally incompetent and corrupt.

    Some common things that can be openly discussed are:

    1) Need to focus attention of everyone you know on the NBC issue, and the Constitutoinal Crisis as the fundamental reason to oust the Usurper.

    2) Need to explain the personal danger everyone is in from of all Obama’s programs and laws.

    3) Need to explain the totalitarian trajectory of the man and his regime; his Nazi tactics, the goals of a Communist revolution

    4) Need to exlain the absolute necessity of loyalty to the Cosntitution in this hour, and why hesitation and delay mean not only defeat, but enslavement for their children and grandchildren…

    5) Need to recruit concerned citizens, who recognize this, into organizations that will do something, not just talk.

    6) For this purpose there needs to be an identification of groups which espouse nn. 1-4 entirely, and accept esp. the definition of NBC cited by Scotus 7 times, that of Vattel.

    7) We need direct attention of fellow citizens to websites of these groups and explain why other groups are obstacles to freedom so long as they refuse to recognize the problem.

    8) Show that the GOP and DNC are tools in the hands of the same NWO folk, and how no trust can be given them any more

    9) Expose the press as a propaganda machine which is now, after Obama, Public Enemy no. 1…

    10) Encourage everyone to take the safeguarding of their own liberty into their own hands, with proper preparations, from owning and using a gun, joining a militia, having a family escape plan, knowing how to respond to abuses of Federal and State authority, etc…

  235. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Under #3, of my post, you can cite this article to your friends

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/obamas-green-czar-is-a-terrorist.html

    Which shows that the Green Czar nominated by Obama is a Weatherman Underground Terrorist member…

    That’s why the “War on Terror” was declared over. The terrorists are now running the USA…

    We’ve been infiltrated from withing; with Saudi Arabia (whose supported Osama) funding now their operative Obama…

  236. Origin, no need to verify anything. BO posts on his web site, trust me; APFC says I am for real. APFC says on their site, he’s real because we stole an image of a newspaper birth announcement that says he is.

    That’s as simple as this is. Stop looking for ‘proof’; there is none. File an election fraud complaint with your AG. NP and the DNC Certified BO was a NBC in order to get his name printed onto the general election ballot but they hadn’t verified he is a NBC. If you live in a state with any kind of law requiring the candidate for POTUS from the major political party to be a NBC; then compel NP and the DNC to provide evidence they complied with state law by vetting the man before submitting that Certification to the state elections official. When we ask them to provide documentation, they ignore us. Okay; they’re a private club. But our A’sG work for us.

  237. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jbjd,

    Which state AG is working for us?

    I’d like to know his name.

    Seing that according to the Constitution the federal AGs are under the President, there is no check an balance for a usurper to be stoped by an AG, because the usurper can pull the AG whenever he likes.

    The Constitution is flawed in this extent. We need an Ammendment which allows a certin number of Federal AGs directly elected by the people for 10 year terms…that would check the power in DC…and in the main parties…

  238. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    If you have a blog,

    please consider posting those 10 points, and listing other blogs which post them, on your side bar.

    That would be a quick way of creating a reliable network of pro-Constitutionalist sites: we need a rapid communication network, to filter out the obotry of the MSM and communicate initiatives to patriots around the country. There are just too many sites and groups for the average citizen to watch.

    I also encourage folks with the talent to start their own News Sites: phil at the Right Site of Life has a great site: its only weakness is that he allows Obots to post, who nearly overwhelm it with propaganda…

  239. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    A decentrailized system of information and news is harder to stop. Esp. if your blog is on a server outside the USA.

    But as a patriotic movement, we do need a centralized leadership.

    I would hope that the Military Brass who are retired see the necessity of taking leadership of the movement to ensure the survival of the Republic.

    Lawyers, jurists, and other statesment, patriots, need also to take the lead in promoting organization in each state and accross state boundaries. Let’s not forget that the Declaration of Independence did not occur in a vacuum; they jurists and politicians and statesment who attended were in communication beforehand, and make preparations…

  240. OriginUknown

    Well i was wondering if the case that this announcement was put forth as evidence, can the defendant be held liable for entering false evidence? If in fact the announcements don’t exist what course could be taken to reignite the case. Seems important to find out either way, if not for future cases.

  241. OriginUknown

    btw CN i have followed this eligibility case since Berg made first announcement prior to DNC back last July. At my work they all know what I think, we have debates so as far as making folks aware I have had personal discussions with at least 12-15 people one on one. I have read most of your posts on both sites actually, nice going.

    I hope somewhere in the pipeline of chatter in the underground hidden agenda setting blog there is plans to call for resignations of Main Stream Media people. These News outlets should be chastised not only in ratings but held lawfully liable for there lack of investigating and reporting. I have no doubt Obama will be found out, and when he does, I hope action is taken to the fullest extreme across the board for all complicit. I appreciate you guy’s reading, writing, and doing the research you do to inform so many.

    Thx for your dedication and diligence.

  242. CNN,

    General elections are overseen by the states. We are talking state A’sG. ‘All politics are local’ is not just wishful thinking. These people live and operate in the community. They want to be re-elected. They might even aspire to higher office. It’s not as easy to ignore your constituents when you are in the same state, not in D.C.

    If they won’t listen, go to the local press with all of your information, and explain you brought this to the attention of the AG, who ignored you.

  243. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    jbjd,

    In many states the Political Machine elects the AGs, the people have no say.

    Infact, since many state AGs have political affiliation, why on earth would they prosecute the Democrats, if that sets a precedent for prosecuting their own party the Republicans (in those states with Republican AGs)…

    You see, the problem arises from an infiltration of the major parites which control our entire state and federal government. You cannot cure such an infection from within…at least not easily…

  244. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Origin Unknown,

    Resignations is too mild, we need them prosecuted for conspiracy to defraud and aiding and abetting in usurpation, coverup and censorship of the people who amply warned and informed them of the facts and the law…Treason, that’s what they’ve done: they have also abused the freedom of speech granted by the Constitution, for such ends as ennumerated….

    Prison for media personalities and staff and editors and CEOs, and billions of dollars of fines against the corporations. Only that would be just…

  245. Somewhat OT- Ms. Helga and others might find this interesting:

    Barack Hussein Obama

    1. Monbassa (original name of Mombassa)
    2. Sarah Obama
    3. One [The]
    4. Messiah [The]
    5. race
    6. bi [sexual/racial?]
    7. smokes/smoker
    8. cocaine/coke/crank
    9. homes
    10. cars
    11. banks
    12. robs
    13. rich
    14. CIA
    15. ACORN
    16. HCAN
    17. SEIU
    18. MSNBC
    19. NBC/CBS/ABC
    20. nbc [natural born citizen]
    21 . bans
    22. ink
    23.sack him
    24. scare us [USA] Obama
    25. Bush
    26. Iraq
    27. Iran
    28. bombs
    29. Asian
    30. mobs
    31. Barack shames USA
    32. He is a sham
    33. He is an ass
    34. mock him/her [Michelle]
    35. She is a man (some say MO looks like a man)
    36. He is a name
    37. He is (no?) Mabus
    38. marks
    39. no care (health?)
    40. He ruins care (health)
    41. He barks
    42. Sarah [Palin]
    43. He robs banks
    44. He robs man
    45. Obama shake USA
    46. yes he can
    47. marches
    48. source
    49. bore in Monbassa
    50. seashore

    There are more words/phrases. I decided not to use them for now.

  246. oops-
    the last word is invalid….replace with

    50. shores

  247. oops, again….well sort of. # 23 should read:

    23. sack Obama.

    It would be convenient if one could edit a comment….)

  248. Well, this is the last correction….I promise…)

    #36. mask his name
    #40. Obama ruins care (health)
    #46. [Yes] he can.

  249. I pray our Military have NOT DIED IN VAIN AND BEEN MAIMED IN VAIN!! How shameful the sooo called leaders??? are acting
    Need to fire them,most of them not doing the peoples buss,not listening.
    McCaskil fooled me,she loves this country???
    Un believeable they are allowing America to be destroyed.Common sense sees what is going on
    Many knew and could see it months ago.Can;t believe some soooo called collage grads were soooofooled,sooo obvious all along.
    ONLY THE TRUTH WILL SET AMERICA FREE AGAIN,AMERICA NEEDS TRUTH NOW

  250. Charles Krauthammer was born in New York, whose father was French, so he was raised in Montreal. He would not think the ‘natural-born Citizen’ clause is relevant to the 21st Century, and so, he could easily support Bobby Jindahl, and just as easily not think very much of Sarah Palin.

    However, he is also strongly ‘pro-Israel.’

    I wonder if he would recognize that Sarah Palin is almost as ‘pro-Israel’ as he is.

    Obama’s policy toward Israel has to be very troublesome to a lot of people who voted for him.

  251. And then there was Canada:
    http://www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm

  252. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Dr Krauthammer is, pardon the expression, intellectually paralyzed. He is summarized as saying:

    “8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state’s rights.”

    Com’on folks stop drinking the NWO Koolaid, the Republicans are completely controled by the NWO. If they win the 2010 elections, is just second gear toward the NWO rather than drive.

    This guy’s an idiot…

  253. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Just look at who is funding the Republicans: the same big money that is funding the Democrats.

    Follow the money, folks!

    In the money trail you see whose caused the Democrates to be like they are, and in the money the Dems dish out, what they are trying to accomplish as regards their socialist revolution.

    To deny this is insanse: Dr. Krauthammer is a spokesman for the conservative NWOrders; not for the American People.

  254. WND shows a copy of McCain’s birth certificate, showing that his parents lived in Colon, Republic of Panama, and not on the Canal Zone, as the McCain Campaign had wanted us to believe.

    In 1936, the Submarine Base at ‘Coco Solo’ did not have a hospital (it was built in 1942), but it did have its own post office, so McCain’s parents’ residence would have been listed as ‘Coco Solo,’ if they were living in base housing — which they weren’t. They were living across the bay in the Republic of Panama, because the housing and shopping were much better, and McCain’s mother was an oil heiress, and could afford to live in Colon.

    Also, the Panama Canal Health Department would have entered the birth certificate in its continuous sequential log book recording births on the Canal Zone, had his parents lived on the Canal Zone. They didn’t, because the parents lived in the Republic of Panama. The medical records of the Panama Canal Zone Health Department were admired around the world in 1936, because its detailed records had helped in the defeat of Yellow Fever.

    Passengers traveled by ship to Panama, just to have their illnesses treated in the Panama Canal hospitals, which considered among the most “beautiful” in the world, at the time.

    So, there are some people who claim McCain’s birth certificate is a ‘forgery,’ but they fail to observe the perfectly valid notarized signature hidden in the left-hand column.

    The date on the birth certificate shows that it was being prepared at the time when the future Senator was being enrolled in 1st Grade during World War II, probably to be mailed to the family in New London, Connecticut.

  255. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    THE SECOND AMERICAN REVOLUTION

    There has been some talk here about what to call ourselves.

    Article II Patriots
    Second Amendment Revolutionaries
    Constitutionalists
    etc.

    I think we ought just to call ourselves

    PATRIOTS

    A patriot is, by his name, loyal to his country, patria in Latin.

    His country is the focus and obligation of his political activity.

    In the FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION

    the 13 colonies were dominated and exploited by the Tories who collaborationed with a foreign potentate to exploit this country for the sake of interests of the British Empire.

    If you replace British Empire with NWO, and the Tories with the NOW internationalists, you have the same scenario.

    We must be patriots and advocate home rule; not just by citizens of this great land, but for the interests of the citizens of this land; not to be part of any international NWO stateless regime: but to be a truly independent national sovereign state.

    Being members of any pro-NWO group or outfit is treason, and we should have nothing to do with these people or groups.

    Its a question of loyalties.

    Obama not being a NBC was necessary to put through the NWO take over, because no natural born citizen could be counted on to betray

    HIS OWN BIRTH RIGHT NATION

    It is in our blood and bones, in the air we breath and in the water we drink, in the blood of our forefathers and the liberties they handed down to us. Betryaing our great nation of America is beyond anything we could every imagine or contrive. Not a fibre of our body or movement of our soul every could manage it. That’s why the NWO could never accept Hilary, she’s a NBC and there would always be doubts as to where her loyalty lied, to the USA or to the NWO.

    Lets call ourselves

    PATRIOTS

    Lets call our adversaries, TRATIORS

    Its black and white.

    We need to work to liberate this great land from the festering malaize which is the secularist, socialist NWO folk. All of them need to be removed from power, peacefully or by force.

    We cannot support any party which does not have these same views as we do.

    We cannot trust big money.

    We can only trust NBCs and other loyal citizens who have American at heart.

    This must be our findamental view, if we are to be victorious…

  256. Thanks for the recap, Bob.

    You said it best. Both McShame and Soetoro are in the same boat. Both are ineligible and will remain ineligible.

    Yet magically CONgrass vets them both with some goofy resolution. Sorry,but Natural Born Citizenship is self evident.

    That’s why, with the exception of Arthur, every President prior to 2008 was easily vetted as it was plain as the noses on our faces they were 100% qualified per AIIS1P5.

  257. I say we get our friends to sign up as paid dem activists…..bleed their coffers a little….spread their wealth

  258. Medical poll:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/august_2009/65_say_they_re_likely_to_get_swine_flu_vaccine

    65% of people polled said they are likely to take a SWINE FLU VACCINE??

    This just re-enforces 65% of the people in the country are clinically insane.

  259. I repeat-

    A LITTLE ALLEGORY

    In the 1957 movie “A Night To Remember” about the sinking of the Titantic, there is a scene with the Captain and the ship’s builder. They decide that since the first 5 water-tight compartment have been breached, the ship was doomed and we all know what happened. Many years later after the wreck had been found there was much speculation about what could have been done. It was determined nothing could have been done except that they could have slowed down the sinking, thus giving more time for more rescue ships to arrive. This could be done by opening the remainder compartments thereby allowing the ship to sink in a more level and slower way, giving more time to rescue more survivors. I think our Government has decided that our country is like the Titantic and they are going to spend all they before we sink and like “rats on a sinking ship” they will grab all they can for themselves. Have a good day.

    PS – Sean Connery had a minor roll as a crewman handing out life preservers.

  260. I think some one should make a bumper stickers,that say So how do you like your vote now.

  261. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Trudy,

    there was no eligible candidate in a main party: so all out votes were stolen.

    We did not elect this monster, he was imposed top down…

    I wouldn’t keep rubbing their noses in his BS,

    the “die hard Obama maniacs” will join his brown shirts,

    the “I’ll do what I am told regardless”, will cooperate in his tyranny,

    The “I supported him when I thought he was great”, will become paralyszed…

    The latest ramunssen pol shows that he has lost some 8% of those who voted for him and all those who supported him after the election, who did not vote for him. White AOL has 85% want to see his BC, which he can never show, because he only has at at home birth affidavit, without hopsital verifications (I opine), and so a good 40% of his 48% will either desert him or not support his tyranny as it gets worse.

    That leaves at least 42% die as patriots, against 8%…it wil be a hands down over run, if it every comes to recruiting militia to over throw this jerk…they will have to rely upon foreign troops, otherwise they have lost…

  262. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Now that Obama is recruiting members of the Weatherman Underground in his Administration (see the post above about the Green Czar), I think this call for action by USA Patiot on Orly’s Blog is appropos, and needs to go viral:

    “Another angle….why not put lots of pressure on the LA Times to release those tapes of the obama dinner that he had with his revolutionary friends. Obama and his goons put a stop to it being released before the election…maybe it’s time to bring that to light again. Let the pressure mount on him..”

  263. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    jbjd,

    I posted a correction to my link at Leo’s blog, and gave you propter citation….my link was to some post which only had half of what you said, even OLIs link was to something else…

  264. New post!

  265. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Georgetown,

    http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/08/10/commentary/op-eds/doc4a80648be1754353895583.txt

    I’m surprised the Bulletin even printed Chuck Norris’ piece,

    as their search engine shows no other articles which mention the NBC issue, nor Orly Taitz’s well known advocacy…

    that’s a very back track record for censorship….

  266. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 11, 2009 at 2:34 am

    McCaskill, that’s RIGHT YOU JUST DON”T GET IT, because you are SO STUPID that you don’t get it we will REPLACE YOU WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL GET IT.
    *******************************************************

    AMEN…BROTHER!!! 🙂

  267. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 11, 2009 at 7:25 am

    Dr Krauthammer is, pardon the expression, intellectually paralyzed. He is summarized as saying:

    “8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. Republicans are pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty & Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state’s rights.”

    Com’on folks stop drinking the NWO Koolaid, the Republicans are completely controled by the NWO. If they win the 2010 elections, is just second gear toward the NWO rather than drive.

    This guy’s an idiot…
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    CNN…..Not all politicians are part of this NWO…..whether it be Rep. or Dem…..I don’t agree with everything Charles says but he certainly is intellectually paralyzed!!!! I would love to see a Alan Keyes/Sarah Palin ticket in 2012……that would satisfy the racists and the women….and I believe the two of them would be a very strong ticket for getting back to the Constitution and letting “we the people” run our government!!

  268. Jacqlyn Smith

    From my previous post to CNN…left out the “NOT”…..

    Suppose to say “is NOT intellectually paralyzed”!

  269. TO:
    OriginUknown // August 11, 2009 at 2:46 am

    Article highlighting the so called “Birth Announcements”, it pains me to realize that no media outlet has even verified these announcements even exist. How is it these things go by News station desks unverified yet are held up as the proof even in “COURT” as the unshakable truth.

    =================

    A couple of weeks ago I contacted one of the Newspapers and inquired about buying papers from the 1960’s and the lady I spoke with said that they don’t have anything like that for sale only the last 4 weeks.

  270. Watch the Spector Town hall meeting in Pennsylvania, A Patriot asked if Obam was an American citizen, Spector remarked Yes he is an american, crowd booed him and and camera’s pointed the the “liar” sign. Then Fox, MSNBC and CNN all turned the camera from the TownHall to the hosts of the shows to talk. —
    Coverup revealed.

  271. Michelle @ 9:48 (re ‘mash note’): Well…I would certainly send a ‘mash note’ to my sweet wife; but remarks about, or directed at, Mr. Stein (or anyone else) are out of respect and/or admiration…and I wouldn’t consider that a ‘love note’, as you suggest; I hope you intended that in a positive way. Maybe you were just being ‘cute’…in a good way.

  272. I agree with an Alan Keyes , Sarah Palin ticket – passion , truth- the color gender argument is totally invisible with people like these two – they are true Americans with a moral compass and they exude wisdom because they are God fearing God centered beings – they understand what is at stake when the ” one nation under God ” is illregarded in its importance to our survival as a nation . It is the glue that provides the notion of freedom , individual freedom from a tyrannical government . This is a trap we must rid ourselves from and in order to do so we cannot any longer accept the run of the mill lying politician who plays a party line just to get elected ! We have to decide to be wise and be concerned for the future of our children .

  273. Does anyone know if the Obama health plan allows physicians to treat outside of the plan? Can elderly pay for health care directly as out of pocket expense, ie like plastic surgery?

  274. I know I promised, but I felt that I HAD to correct #26…..There is NO Q in his name….what was I thinking!….I need to organize more….lol

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