I just observed on of the most sickening spectacles of my life.
One of the great commenters on this blog, ms. helga, notified
me that the IL Electors voting was being covered live on Cspan.
The first Elector that I heard presenting her praise, Lauren Beth
Gash, nauseated me. She lavished such undue praise on Obama that
I stood their incredulous in disbelief. Another one spoke of
knowing Obama since he was from Illinois. Most Electors that I
observed said a few obligatory party line words. After about six
Electors, I could stomach no more. No wonder Chicago and Illinois
are such a cesspool of crime and corruption. Democratic Party
Politics in IL is void of integrity. Electors are putting party
politics above the US Constitution and the American People.
Is it any wonder that the Democrat Governor of IL, Rod Blagojevich,
has been arrested and urged to resign. Obama should be next.
If someone out there was able to stomach the entire debacle,
please let us know if all Electors followed the party dictate.
Perhaps there will be electors in other states that will put
country first. If not, let’s pursue some legal remedies to
begin the huge enema that needs to be given to this country.
Citizen WElls 
The Electors are kicking the
Constitution and the American People under the bus. I feel like we are hostages and our rights are slowly fadeing away.I believe that Obama will be caught with his hands in the cookie jar and then i hope all the Electors get sued for violations of our rights.
What amazes me is the MSM while covering the story of corruption is making no connection to Obama. They are saying how clean he is coming from Chicago politics.
I guess knowing the MSM it really should not amaze me.
I agree…
Equaly disgusting, I just watched the President of The PA Electoral College’s comments, I wanna PUKE, oh so brainwashed…Time will tell.
Citizen —
Lauren Beth Gash, D-Deerfield, is clueless, and that is being overly kind.
I know her well — she reflects her district well, also.
Well I broke a mirror yesterday, then the transmission in my car busted and the girl I was dating broke up with me. So the SCOTUS decision is par for the course for me.
This post was hilarious, thanks for the laugh
Leeballz.
I hope that things get better for you.
Shii.
My pleasure.
It would be funnier if it was not so true and with such disastrous implications.
Hey, Folks, don’t forget Ill. and Pa. went dem. in the GE; so, of course their electors are kool-aid drinkers and will fall all over themselves to kiss the ring. I would be very curious to know what repub. state legislatures are doing.
Today is the day a crime is committed against the Constitution.
Good day, Mr. Wells. All along sir all I’ve ever wanted was a fair and balanced set of scales so all parties could be heard, but it’s evident that the powers to be either don’t want any distractions or could care less. Ideally, the next four years, considering our economy is ailing badly and we are at war abroad, should have been a rallying point for all Americans, but whatwith all these unresolved issues surrounding “natural born” citizenship, etc. our country may be less in a mood to rally around Mr. Obama than look forward to 2012. Thanks for your continued commitment to truth sir. Safe travels.
Man,
Why can’t the good guys win just one friggin time?
I just remembered — Lauren Beth Gash would like to be Congresswoman Gash. Was she effusive enough to be allowed to dip into Barack’s brimming campaign treasure chest?
You know, that’s how this works —
Don’t get too upset.
Remember, these people are supporting a television image, and as has been shown, have know idea who this cheap Chicago fixer really is.
Help to enlighten them over the next 4 years while we have a vacant White House. Deprogramming is a delicate endeavor.
Does anyone know what happened when the CA electors voted? Weren’t there at least two involved in the Keyes case? They certainly wouldn’t vote for Obama.
So what is the update on Berg’s suit? Has it been distributed? The stay was denied, but it seems like that suit is just sitting there.
After watching the insanity this should help.
Thank you Samuel Adams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNlg0SK3Yyc
Let’s just try to look at this the optimistic way; let’s see the silver lining or the glass as half full. OK, stop throwing tomatoes at the screen now. Let’s try this:
The cases are still pending, only the stays have been denied BECAUSE ….. the justices WANT the electoral vote to happen!
For four reasons:
1. THEY do not want to be the only ones blamed for upsetting the apple cart.
2. THEY want Patrick Fitzgerald to have the time to let the whole Blago-Rezko-Obamo scene play out so the public will start turning against Obama which would lessen the craziness that would ensue when he is forced to step down.
3. THEY want Obama to show his proof on his own rather than be forced to (won’t happen).
4. THEY realize that they cannot unseat a usurper until he BECOMES a usurper on January 8th.
All I can say is … start storing edibles and bottles of water so you can stay safely home if necessary. Also candles and fireplace logs if you have one. I’ve already started.
Bill Richardson’s world is getting more interesting:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL0GGUluJeT8&refer=worldwide
Leo’s and Cort’s cases were listed as pending by SCOTUS when their stays were denied (12/8,15). I see no listed denials of Writ of Certiorari or Mandamus for these pending cases. Can someone who is qualified offer the rest of us an explanation of why the cases are still pending. Why would they not have been denied as well? Does this mean the Court is reserving the right to act at some future time after events occur, such as the election today or the Congressional actions 1/8? Or is this a false hope?
Bill G.
That is still a good question.
We are all seeking answers.
Thanks.
CW, thank you, you are the only news source I can find in regards to these cases, so thank you for your hard work for justice, and the time that you dedicate to this.
I am tired of hoping. It’s like each time I hope for some glimmer of justice with this trash Obama, it gets thrown in the trash. This Wrotnowski case is just another dash of hope. Deep down I knew they would deny it, but still I had hope that someone, somewhere in that office, would adhere to truth and justice.
But , still nothing. I feel helpless. I honestly feel like all those unfortunate non-German souls during the Nazi era in Europe. No matter what they did, no matter how much they spoke out, they were trodden down. I wonder sometimes if we are more helpless than they were, given that we are Americans, and liberty and freedom and truth are things we live by, and to have that all our lives, and have it taken away, by things beyond our control, by very conniving people, makes it an even more hopeless situation.
I want to have hopes for Berg. I want to have hopes for Broe vs. REed in Washington state, which has now passed on to a hearing. But every time I hope, I get disappointed in the end.
When Blago gate erupted, I had hope too. But somehow, the anointed One managed to emerge unscathed, somehow leading people to believe that he can be the only virgin in the whorehouse.
And, as ridiculous as it may sound, people ARE believing. His approval polls are high.
How can anyone NOT think that we are repeating Nazi Germany, all over again, when such senselessness is happenning right before our eyes.
Will there ever be justice? I just don’t know anymore.
AS I said, I feel helpless. As a proud American, with a proud family of Veterans, this is the worst feeling in the world, and one I never thought I would have as an American.
Thanks CW, best wishes from anywhere is a nice comfort.
Obama has until January 8th to provide proof that he is indeed qualified to be elected president of the United States because on January 8th, if he IS certified, then if he ISN’T qualified, then he IS a USURPER!
And that’s when the parts of the lawsuits that are still pending can be HEARD by the Supreme Court all at once and Obama would have to produce the documents or NOT be sworn in by Chief Justice Roberts.
In the meantime, in between time, ain’t we got fun watching him squirm over the 3 Stooges scenario playing before us: Rezko-Blago-Obamo
And we can add Rhambo in there, too.
I still think that when he goes to Hawaii Dec 20-Jan 1, there is a good chance, that if things have gotten way too hot, that he will not return but the Feds will allow him to cart his arse over to Jakarta or somewhere and when he mysteriously doesn’t return, Hillary will be seated (at about 3am).
Cast your vote here on this aol poll. Send to others and make your voice heard (it’s about evenly split right now):
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/05/hot-seat-obamas-birth-certificate/5
My gut feeling about Hawaii is that that’s where Obama’s mysteries always seem to lie (and I do mean “lie”).
The mystery of his real father.
The mystery of his birth hospital.
The mystery of his mother dying (when? another no funeral, another no death certificate, and her soc security number was alive afterwards, maybe Obama was using it to get her disability payments? That’s common.)
The mystery of his grandmother dying. (when did that really happen … or did it? I guess she won’t be able to live in the White House with the other One’s mother.)
Oh so many mysteries, so little time to explain them all, little O. Tell us another story now. Tell us you have this spot on your lungs – “Yep, they found it in Hawaii! Don’t ask which doctor or which hospital because that info is sealed.
But it looks like I won’t be able to do the Prez gig.
Stop crying, folks. Just erect a statue to me so you can all bow and leave flowers year round. To you, O faithful sheeple, I will always be the ONE.”
Bill G…
When they say “Orders in Pending cases” They mean cases that where pending waiting for an order. Now that they have an order they are no longer Pending. The case is closed. So SCOTUS is done with Leo and Cort unless they decide to try another case. I doubt if that will happen as Leo sounds like he’s given up.
But we can’t quit!
Click to access 121508zor.pdf
see link, orders in pending cases
the Writ is not addressed in the latter category.
decentAmerican
For what it is worth.
I am researching for my article/letter to the US Supreme Court.
One never knows when a sqeaky wheel will get greased.
(maybe if it sqeaks loud enough – you know, “The shot heard round the world”)
Brian,
I listened to about 5 minutes of his speech and got up and walked out. The guy sitting next to me was sound asleap. No lie, he is a party big wig and his entire family are major players in the Phila Democratic party. I guess he has heard it so many times he can repeat it in his sleep.
CW, I would be interested in exploring the possibly of a legal action. If there are any eastern PA lawyers on this site who would have any interest in representing me, have them contact me.
Thanks all.
Eric
I feel my hope dwindling sometimes as well. However, I also believe that the truth always comes out…it just does so in it’s own time.
I’m just wondering, in todays world of leaked information, why we haven’t had a single leak of college records or just one person who laid eyes on the BC?
Janet,
“In the meantime, in between time, ain’t we got fun watching him squirm over the 3 Stooges scenario playing before us: Rezko-Blago-Obamo
And we can add Rhambo in there, too.”
You can now add New Mexico Bill Richardson …
Grand Jury Probes Richardson Donor’s New Mexico Financing Fee
Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) — A federal grand jury is investigating how a company that advised Jefferson County, Alabama, on bond deals that threaten to cause the biggest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, did similar work in New Mexico after making contributions to Governor Bill Richardson’s political action committees.
The grand jury in Albuquerque is looking into Beverly Hills, California-based CDR Financial Products Inc., which received almost $1.5 million in fees from the New Mexico Finance Authority in 2004 after donating $100,000 to Richardson’s efforts to register Hispanic and American Indian voters and pay for expenses at the Democratic National Convention in 2004, people familiar with the matter said.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation asked current and former officials from the state agency if any staff members in the governor’s office influenced CDR’s hiring, said the people, who declined to be identified because the proceedings are secret. Richardson, who is President-elect Barack Obama’s designate for Commerce Secretary, has a staff of at least 30 people.
Rest of the story 🙂 Here>> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aL0GGUluJeT8&refer=worldwide
Perhaps.
I spent over 30 years in IT.
Over the years I came to the conclusion that there are typically multiple good solutions
to most problems and that the solutions are floating around us. We simply must open
our minds, perhaps step away from or into a different setting, and grasp the solution
that is right in front of us.
Reality check.
We have before us the most corrupt politician running for president (they we know of beforehand)
that I have been aware of in my lifetime and one who is clearly ineligible.
We can do this.
Get to work.
Wells
It’s everywhere. Our state is on here locally and there’s no end to the lavish praise. You can’t blame them, if they buck the system because of internet rumors that NO court in the land considers anything but frivolous, there political careers are over for ever. That’s why there’s NO doubt Obama does well and Congress will validate the vote and there won’t even be a blip on the radar. He’s coming out of all this looking better than ever. His poll numbers are up to 81%. There aren’t enough people that give a damn. Being on the losing side over and over again is difficult.
Jerome: Thanks, I understand your reponse.
I still wonder why is it that the denials do not mention the writ nor has either case been listed under denials of writ of certioriari on page 2,3 of list. I thought the stay was for am immediate action and the writ for the case to be heard and that these were separate requests of SCOTUS.
Lightfoot v Bowen SCOTUS docket 08A524
Any possibility this one won’t end up in the trash heap?
CW,
I have worked in IT for 8 years. I’m young, have energy, and know what I’m doing. I feel that there is information to be LEGALLY discovered. Have we looked at what we can get out of the Freedom of Information Act?
Was Andy Martin trying to use the Freedom of Information Act to get the real certificate from Hawaii?
But beyond the birth certificate, let’s look at Cort’s and Donofrio’s cases. Even if these cases are not heard, making public knowledge of information needed to prove these cases could be a huge blow to the cover-up movement going on.
So, what’s needed outside of a birth certificate?
Fitzgerald is on the right track, isn’t he?
Can we use the FOIA to get any information from the latest Blagojevich investigation? How about the tapes? Is there a lawyer that can tell us what we have rights to get our hands on?
I think all of us, especially those that have PHYSICAL access to microfiche news articles, libraries in Chicago, need to get all details possible on Obama, Blago, et. al.
Fitzgerald has most likely done this, but cannot make his information public.
And one last comment for you CW.
Have you considered contacting Ron Paul and Joe Lieberman? Would they be willing to take a serious look at these issues and maybe be the two needed to complain inauguration time?
But, please, someone that is in proximity and has the time, get to the Chicago Library! Indexed databases of newspaper articles and microfiche are at our disposal. The same goes in Hawaii.
As someone stated earlier, winning battles is not winning the war.
Berg’s case will be distributed for conference, but not until January 9.
Wrotnowski did not file a petition for a writ of certiorari, so no further action will be taken on his case unless a petition is filed.
Lightfoot’s petition for a stay was denied by Justice Kennedy – an order will issue shortly. To date, Lightfoot has not filed a petition for a writ of certiorari, so no further action will be taken on that case unless a petition is filed.
-Lawdawg
we all need to pour over YOUTUBE as well. you never know what has been caught on tape and uploaded—sometimes thing uploaded at some point as a “positive” for obama is now the smoking gun we could use to keep him from office.
also, please research people surrounding Obama in public records…such as his mom….franklin marhsall davis ( some believe this is his biological dad)
see where he was living, etc at crucial dates
also research malcom X..also a biological dad possibility. if obama i a LIAR–no matter what is the ultimate truth of his paternity…(and he knew it) he becomes the liar as a candidate- we can bring him down wth many issues….if we find the truth.
CW:
You may or may not want to post this entry publicly.
I can’t believe what I just read. Right on the FERPA webpage, it states the following:
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Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student’s education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions (34 CFR § 99.31):
o School officials with legitimate educational interest;
o Other schools to which a student is transferring;
o Specified officials for audit or evaluation purposes;
o Appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to a student;
o Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;
o Accrediting organizations;
o To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena;
o Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety emergencies; and
o State and local authorities, within a juvenile justice system, pursuant to specific State law.
Schools may disclose, without consent, “directory” information such as a student’s name, address, telephone number, date and place of birth, honors and awards, and dates of attendance. However, schools must tell parents and eligible students about directory information and allow parents and eligible students a reasonable amount of time to request that the school not disclose directory information about them. Schools must notify parents and eligible students annually of their rights under FERPA. The actual means of notification (special letter, inclusion in a PTA bulletin, student handbook, or newspaper article) is left to the discretion of each school.
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Note, “Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;”
So, the Columbia records may not be so out of reach if we can find the right vector to get them. Anyone have an idea?
SCOTUS has now prevented itself from acknowleding the question whether Obama is or is not a “natural born citizen” (as distinguished from “citizen”) three times and counting: First before the Nov 4 general election and twice before the Dec 15 vote of the College of Electors. Other cases on the same question are at, or are heading to, SCOTUS. Whether SCOTUS ultimately decides if Obama is or is not a “natural born citizen” only after the Electors vote, only after Congress acts on the Electors’ vote, prior to Obama’s inauguration, or only after Obama’s inauguration, SCOTUS will have to decide — or the people and/or the military will. The issue no longer is Obama. The issue is SCOTUS.
Does anyone know where Lawdawg the soothsayer hails from? He sure seems to be connected to the mysterious ways of the high court. Does he imply that missing applications are causing these noble cases to be scuttled?
Citizen Wells did you catch this item.
http://arkansasmatters.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=165111
In preparation for 2012, an Oklahoma legislator is considering making a law that all elected officials show their birth certificates to show citizenship. I believe if we get organized we can be successful in getting this passed in state legislatures across the country or collect the signatures in states that have the initiative process. Like Alan Keyes has been stating it must be certain that we have a “natural born citizen” in the White House. I think he will be put on the spot and not run for re-election in 2012 or face perjury charges.
So, lawdawg, are your statements wishful thinking or fact? (Kennedy denies stay) If fact, you are either a seer, or an employee at SCOTUS. Which is it?
The way that Cort or Lightfoot will not end up in the trash heap is to now have one or more Congressmen and one or more Senators join these cases, and ask for a ruling on the citizenship aspects of the case, prior to January 8, so that they may or may not file an appropriate objection to the Electoral College vote.
Yes.
don’t know who “lawdawg” is, but assuming he is credible, then Berg’s case goes to conference Jan 9th. This is in addition to Broe v. REed going to Washington state SC on Jan 8th hearing. Electors get certified on jan 8th.
Could this be the reason? Is the SC trying to subtly tell us that they can not act until Jan 8th? Since they can not otherwise comment on the cases?
I have lost hope on everything, and feel helpless, but when you have no hope, what do you have left? I still have to fight for my country.
I hope lawdawg comes back..could he be saying that if proper paperwork is added to these cases they could be more like chia plants then?
Can anybody tell me if a civil lawsuit is possible against Obama personally,he has violated all our Civil rights!some kind of a class action lawsuit that whould make him show his bithcertificate.
Can anybody tell me if a civil lawsuit is possible against Obama personally,he has violated all our Civil rights!some kind of a class action lawsuit that whould make him show his bithcertificate.
>>>Obama is not in power yet to have violated anybody’s civil rights. However, if I donated to his cause under false pretenses, then I suppose if were “mickey mouse” or “rp3cpo” and really wanted to file a lawsuit I would , claiming that I was one of those anonymous donars. Then make the case that you “thought” he was eligible at the time, but found out about all these cases. Sue him for your donation back , and he will probably settle it and give it back to you.
I agree with the comment above that it’s probably wishful thinking that the SC is waiting until after the Jan 8-9th timeframe because they are adhering to what the Constitution says. I firmly believe that these stays were far over reaching, asking for things that the Court can not grant because you can’t have it both ways.
I believe that the Lightfoot case has the most merit, and I hope the attorney doesn’t over reach. It should pass the question of standing because there are delegates AND candidates on the plaintiff side. And there is also precedent on the SOS side, because the CA SOS obviously dropped the ball certifying a DEAD delegate and ignoring past historical deeds on declaring a candidate ineligible. I think this has more substance than Wort and Donofrio cases. I think Berg’s case is next, except for the standing issue.
Now if the SC dismisses all these cases, and OBAMA gets in, it’s still not lost. Just ignore his rulings, refuse to pay taxes, SS, etc. or whatever he passes. Eventually they will come around to sue or arrest you. Then you, as defendant should have access to all records to defend yourself, especially if you use the defense of “Obama is a usurper, ineligible, has no power whatsoever to collect taxes, or do whatever the executive branch does and until it is proven that he is, then I refuse to acknowledge his executive powers”.
Now there are some people out there who seem to think that just being borne on US soil makes you a “natural borne” citizen. That is the risk you are taking, assuming OBAMA was borne in Hawaii. More precisely , is , that the courts don’t change their previous rulings on the subject matter after 200+ years of historical precedence. So is to say that they may rule against you and change the status quo and say that natural borne means you are borne on US soil. Then you are screwed, good luck.
rigman: regarding the Freedom of Information Act
If Obama believes that he is qualified to be president under the Constitution, then he would not be hiding his BC, his college records and his medical records. Obviously he is hiding evidence. Apparently, it up to us to all be detectives and find this evidence.
To that end, I have come across some info and I started trying to get to the bottom of it – the “bottom” would be a bombshell and would absolutely, without a doubt, cancel Obama out because it would prove that he was an Indonesian citizen and never became naturalized back to an American citizen. You game? Let’s go:
**** Assuming Obama graduated high school when he was 18, and assuming that foreign student scholarship lists are available for the public, we need to find out if he ever received a foreign student scholarship to any colleges. ****
He claims he went to Occidental College but it is now rumored he had a foreign student scholarship to El Camino College in Torrance, CA. I contacted the foreign scholarship dept and emailed the head of it yesterday. So far no info, but I will let you know.
We need to also contact Columbia Univ, NY, and
Harvard University. Any other ideas? He is most likly on a list as Barry Soetoro or Soetoro Mustajab (sp?). Mustajab or similar spelling was his stepfather’s full name: Lolo Soetoro Mustajab. Come on, detectives, we can figure this out. Let us know if you find out anything.
Hey fernley girl, is that Fernley Nv? also intrigued by lawdawg. what is his thinking, and why is Jan 9 the date for SCOTUS to take action?
Hey Janet,
I posted this on the original thread.
———————————————
Hi,
I summed the info of this thread up and sended Orly Taitz (and her helpers) the following email.
Did I miss anything?
“Hello,
yesterday I found a comment on Orly’s site.
by a poster named TruthSeeker:
“LEOLOOK INTO EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL IN CA. OBAMA WAS AN EXCHANGE STUDENT IN 1981
GOT A AMERICAN SERVICE FIELD STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP
LISTED AS
SOETORO MOESTABJAB OF INDONESIA, EL CAMINO HIGH SCHOOL
IN JOURNAL OF THE ASSEMBLY, LEG OF THE STATE OF CA
YOU CAN GAIN A SMALL PORTION OF THE PAGE IN GOOGLE BOOKS, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO PULL UP THE ENTIRE PAGE, ITS MISSING”
Later I posted it on the Citizen Wells blog and I want to forward the information I received.
Also one of the commenters is trying to get a list of foreign students of the year 1981 from El Camino College, Torrance CA.
This is a link to a picture of a “Soetoro” from the El Camino HS, Sacramento, CA yearbook of 1963.
http://democratfreeblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/pics-of-soetoro/
Somebody else found the Journal that was mentioned.
http://books.google.com/books?id=w6s3AAAAIAAJ&q=SOETORO+MOESTABJAB&dq=SOETORO+MOESTABJAB&ei=RsFFSdvQEpDCMtPA3dgN&pgis=1
Unfortunately I cannot see that this is in 1981. And I don’t know how this year came into play.
In my opinion the listing in the journal is the same person as on the picture.
An Indonesian exchange student at El Camino HS, Sacramento, CA.
Possibly the same Soetoro that married Obama’s mother later.
I don’t know if this is a lead or not, I still want to share it with You.
Thank You for Your effords.
Didn’t ANY of the electors in any of the states object, or at least try to hold up their states vote until they could verify Obama’s natural born citizenship?
Didn’t ANY one of them at least TRY to do something?
After all the effort put into this issue by so many people trying to uphold our Constitution, this is really depressing.
I have heard no feedback.
I would love to find out.
It’s not over til it’s over.
Berlin Berlin,
I followed your link and it might or might not be him. I did save it so that if it mysteriously disappears off the internet I’ll still have it.
Here is the link for anyone who would like to get info covered by the Freedom of Information Act.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/04_1.html
Good Evening, Citizen Wells –
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28241363/
It’s official: Obama elected 44th president
Electors gather in state capitols in largely ceremonial procedure
“Monday’s voting was a largely ceremonial procedure, but one mandated by the Constitution. Obama defeated Republican Sen. John McCain in the Nov. 4 election.”
If the electoral college vote was mandated by the Constitution, what happened to the mandate that one has to be a “natural born citizen” to even run for President, much less to be a Party’s nominee and then to be elected in a general election. There appears to be a sound conflict of following mandates if the text of the requirements in the Constitution is to be followed –
Hey Citizen,
OK, check out this youtube video @ 48 seconds it shows a picture of Obama’s father…Soetoro…then go this website that Berlin Berlin posted…and click on the Soetoro pics…I saved the pic and then zoomed in…there is an uncanny resemblance. Check it out.
Crap, I forgot to put the link for Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPXVJuT2vY
Berlin Berlin’s link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPXVJuT2vY
Sorry
Pardon. Not official yet.
Janet and Berlin Berlin….
My Goodness, I completely screwed up that entire post…OK…
go to youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQPXVJuT2vY at second 26 is a picture of Barrry’s father…now go to Berlin Berlins link at 9.54 I can’t seem to copy…click on the link democraticfreeblog…and check out the picture of Soetoro…enlarge it…it’s him
It certainly looks like Lolo Soetoro, doesn’t it?
But it does not look like Barry. We need to know if Barry Soetoro had a college scholarship as a foreign student like all his roommates did.
We need to contact Occidental College and Columbia University. They must have a list of all the students who have received money as foreign students back in 1979 – 1981. Just email or call the specific dept and ask for the list (see their websites) What can they say, no? Or maybe they will send you the list or a link to it. You don’t have to mention Barry Soetoro by name.
This is on the Obama file:
The Justices denied the “stay’ but have retained the “certori.” It isn’t dead. They’re waiting for the Electoral College to actually elect him. Obama is not President Elect until after the Electoral College “elects” him. Then Congress must approve the Election. Only one senator AND only one representative are needed to stop Obama’s election approval.
I dont know if this is true or if it might help anyone but here goes.
I have been raising pure hell here were I live so much so I have looked to be dragged away in chains LOL. finally i was given contact numbers addresses to try and answer my complaints and i was told straight up by some of the big boys in my state that I or no oneelse could do anything as of now because He has simply broke no laws only when he tries to actually take office then its a federal crime up till then he nor anyone else have broke no laws none zip sounds weird but i think they told me the truth no laws have been broken.
Obama intervenes personally on the Michelle tape and Imam document: An urgent meeting held in Oslo between API and Obama’s representatives only hours before the US Electoral College is scheduled to meet.
Posted by africanpress on December 15, 2008
The two months saga nears the end. API did not expect any contact meeting to be initiated by Mr Obama in an effort to tone down the tape and Imamdoc story that has been kept alive by API for the last 60 days.
In a secret meeting held in Radison SAS hotel in Oslo yesterday night between Mr Korir and Mr Gregory Burns, it became clear that the President elect did not wish the story be kept alive any longer, especially because there are now issues with the Governor of Illinois coming up that may place a new burden on Obama.
The President elect in the words of his emissary wants API to stop circulating the story about his Wife’s call to API.
The meeting was attended by Korir, his legal representative, Mr Burns and Mrs Bryant Madelene.
The two personalities told API that they were despatched to Oslo by Obama’s senior advisor. ?The two travelled?back to Washington immediately after the meeting and inside their briefcase taking with them an agreement signed by both parties on how to bring the tape/Imamdoc to a close. On their way to Washington, they will make a stop-over in the UK and hold a short meeting with the Imam and his UK legal representative.
All this is happening hours before the Electoral College takes their seats to deliberate on the US Presidential elections that took place on the 4th of November.
The details of the agreement will not be made public, but API wishes to inform the readers that the parties have agreed to hold a final meeting in Washington in the next 7 days. The deal signed yesterday night was not conclusive, because API has set forward some demands that must be met if the tape and the Imamdoc is not to be made public. One of the demands is to hold a joint press conference with Obama’s senior advisor when announcing the details on the final agreement.
By API Editorial
news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/12/05/hot-seat-obamas-birth-certificate/5
jeanniejo wrote:
If the electoral college vote was mandated by the Constitution, what happened to the mandate that one has to be a “natural born citizen” to even run for President, much less to be a Party’s nominee and then to be elected in a general election.
There’s no constitutional requirement as to who may run or otherwise seek the office of President. The requirements only have to do with holding or otherwise occupying the office of President.
The Constitution leaves running for the office of the President entirely a state issue.
If you want to run for president, you don’t apply to the federal government. You have to apply to each state individually, according to the laws of each state.
k
CW,
With yours and others good work, the TRUTH will prevail. Your informative posts are appreciated and help in keeping the outrage of this debacle alive and well.
Please keep up the good work. Thank you for all the well researched information that you pass on.
“The federal government does not take official notice of the presidential election until the current Vice President opens the ballots on January 8th”
Is that true?
Is that the reason they will hear the first case then?
I just came across this Youtube, that sums it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGmZ0fhH5fM&feature=channel_page
lost somewhere
Apparently they have never heard of High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Ask them if they ever heard of fraud, dereliction of duty, etc.
koyaan.
The state officers and election officials have an obligation to uphold the US Constitution.
Allowing a non qualified candidate to remain on the ballot for Electors to vote for
effectively disenfranchises millions of voters.
Can We the People sue the Electors for violations of our rights? and not holding up US Constitution and the American public?
Congress knows that they can’t elect a candidate who is not qualified for the office.
However, it is anyone’s guess how they will deal with the issue — I truly think they don’t know yet.
They also know that they can’t merely accept a candidate’s “assurances” that he or she qualified for the office, or why would they ever again hold the kind of advice and consent hearings they put nominees for the federal bench through. They would be a laughing-stock.
I sincerely believe that they hoped SCOTUS would lift this burden off their shoulders, but it didn’t — so now they know that they’ll have to deal with it.
So, I think the rallying cry needs to be “full qualification hearings,” as thorough as any hearings of any SCOTUS justice since Robert Bork!
Anything less would be a travesty.
So much for the electors holding out….. Obama passed 270 with no problem. Can’t blame them, it would’ve been political suicide
Wasn’t Alan Keyes supposed to hold a press conference yesterday in California? I can’t find anything on it.
Ms. Helga
The issue of “Obama’s” citizenship is over. He clearly is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and can never be one. Having a British father automatically disqualifies him from ever being President. Constitution clearly says; No person except a natural born citizen is qualified. As the British Broadcasting Company said in one of their articles; ” Obama is a little too British”. The BBC appreciates the meaning of ; Natural Born Citizen, quite clearly, after all, it all began under British rule. That is why British citizens are not allowed to be President and commander in chief of the military. The founding fathers had just finished a war with the British to gain their independence. They were not about to allow a British citizen to be President and commander in chief over the military.
December 6th, 2008
That Bleeping Birth Certificate
by Steven D. Laib
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The government should have an affirmative duty to investigate candidate qualifications and to make public any documentation thereof; after all, when they apply for the highest office in the land, they should be held to the strict constitutional standard and every citizen has a right to see that the Constitution is followed.
Certain elements of the blogosphere have recently paid a tremendous amount of attention to the question of whether or not the state of Hawaii should be required to produce the original birth certificate of president elect Obama. Regardless of claims that this is a red herring, or assertions that Phillip Berg is a crackpot who should be ignored because he is a “911 truther,” the certificate should be produced. Secondly, Berg’s suit should be taken seriously, and his standing to sue should be affirmed.
While the courts have generally looked with disfavor on suits such as his, they have been wrong to do so, and they should allow this suit for a very simple reason. When no one else, i.e. government agencies, is enforcing the law of the land, only private citizens may do so, and the only manner in which they may do so, short of armed insurrection is in the courts. Within this context, Berg is effectively acting as a “Private Attorney General” acting on behalf of all of the citizens of the United States. He does so because the Federal Election Commission, the other candidates and the U.S. Attorney General have done nothing to determine Mr. Obama’s eligibility. All of them could have and should have. The situation is similar to that which occurred in 1968, when the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for President of the United States. California Secretary of State Frank Jordan, discovered that according to Mr. Cleaver’s birth certificate, he was one year short of the required 35 years needed to run. Cleaver was removed from the ballot and Jordan’s actions were upheld in the courts.
The concept of the private attorney general has existed for a long time. Frequently, it has been found in class actions where someone seeks to force the government to follow its own rules. The courts have frequently allowed private attorney general lawsuits to proceed where civil rights violations are concerned. This situation is not significantly different, as the rights of the entire population to see the constitution followed should trump any other consideration. We must ask, if the government is not going to enforce its own rules, then who will, if the courts say that private citizens cannot.
Part of an article from IntellectualConservative.com
Zoppo,
I stopped reading the API some time ago because it became clear to me that this guy is a flake.
It appears he “created” the story about the Michelle tape and whatever the Iman has to generate interest in his web site. If you follow the saga, he holds the carrott in front of you and every day there is a different reason why he can’t give it to you. CIA death treats, lawyer meetings in Canada, meetings in Oslo, UK, Washington prss conferences. “Please”
Its interesting to note that he is going to bring this to a close without ever revealing the Michelle tape or the Iman info. Notice his “out”, a press conference with an Obama senior advisor. That press conference will never take place and he will then generate a BS story about spooks (CIA secert operative types) having threatened him or his family and because of that he will not released the info.
Stay tuned. You will never get the carrott and he has succeeded in generated interest in his web site.
Sorry for the misspelling and taking the air out of people’s balloons.
Eric
There’s still a lot that can be done!
More cases are coming and I’m curious if the case in Washington may have given a Precedent to get past that “standing” issue that most cases have hit? A good lawyer would know.
Still the SCOTUS can be pushed more and then theres Congress. We need only two guys to stand up and object on Jan. 6. So I intend to write letters and send Email. I hope everyone does the same.
Finally If it all fails in the end then we all should think about how to win in the next elections. The parties that supposedly represent us have turned in to nothing but political wimps who traded in their spines for votes. It’s time to do something. Get organized just like the Dems did using the internet. But to do that we would need a new agreement for what we stand for. A new Republican Constitution to govern a new Republican Party. Or something like that. That way everyone will know what we stand for.
Just a thought.
Bob.
My latest article may be of some help. Let me know.
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/2008-election-certificate-of-vote-electoral-college-electors-california-example-secretary-of-state-us-constitution-governor-alan-keyes-lawsuit-obama-not-eligible-citizen-wells-democratic-dis/
I wish I could feel confident that Congress would actually do something on this issue, but the Democratic majority absolutely worships Obama. These days, politics comes before principle. I don’t see how the Pelosi/Reid Congress would actually ask hard questions about Obama’s eligibility.
There are several places at a college you can find information. I worked for a University for 16 years in the Admissions Office. The Admissions Office or International Admissions would have had to process his application. The Registrars Office can tell you if the student is registered–I don’t know about that many years ago. They will give you their name, place of birth, and possibly year of birth. Financial Aid could also be of assistance because if he came as a foreign student on Financial Aid, he would indeed be listed. International Studies might be able to help. Alot of it is who you get ahold of when you call. If he came through International, his name was probably Barry Soetoro or that other name I can’t spell. Most libraries also keep a copy of their yearbooks back to when the school started. That includes high schools and colleges. If anyone lives in these areas, they could probably go to the library and find him under whatever alias he used at the time.
Didn’t Keyes have a tape of a debate he had with Obama that Obama indicated he was not a citizen? That would be sweet. I hope Obama will be stopped, but I am beginning to wonder.bkw
Also, the picture that was shown with name Soetoro I believe was Obama’s step father. If not, they could be twins.
citizenwells wrote:
The state officers and election officials have an obligation to uphold the US Constitution.
But again, the Constitution places no restrictions on who may seek the office of President. Only who may actually hold that office.
So until such time as someone has actually been elected to the office of President, there can be no violation of the Constitution.
Allowing a non qualified candidate to remain on the ballot for Electors to vote for
effectively disenfranchises millions of voters.
No it doesn’t.
First, anyone who doesn’t feel that a candidate is constitutionally qualified, is perfectly free to vote for someone else. Or to write in a candidate where it’s allowed.
Second, party candidates are ultimately placed on the ballots by their respective political parties, not by the state.
If a political party puts up a candidate who isn’t constitutionally qualified to hold the office, and that party’s leaders don’t care, then that’s the political party’s problem, not the state’s.
But no one has been disenfranchised.
k
koyann.
I will be addressing this in an article directed at the Supreme Court.
Disenfranchisement-To care or not to care.
Helga wrote:
Wasn’t Alan Keyes supposed to hold a press conference yesterday in California? I can’t find anything on it.
Not Alan Keyes himself, no.
It was just Wiley S. Drake, Keyes’ VP candidate, and Markham Robinson, Chairman of the American Independent Party of California. There was a third person but I have no idea who he was and his only job seemed to be to just stand there holding up a flag.
It was held just off the sidewalk on the north side of the capitol building.
Since I live in Sacramento not far from the capitol, I drove down and checked it out.
It was, in word, rather sad.
I made it to the capitol at 12:30 sharp, the time scheduled for the press conference and stuck around for about half an hour.
With the possible exception of a lady who was standing there recording it with a small handheld video camera, I didn’t see a single supporter or even any bystanders the whole time I was there.
Not even AIP bothered to put up any signs or banners to indicate to anyone who they were or why they were there. It was just three guys standing just off the sidewalk with one of them holding up a flag.
And the whole time I was there, Robinson was just standing there talking on his cellphone, sounding like he was giving an interview or something. Don’t know.
As for media, I didn’t see any reporters. Just two guys with pro video rigs. One of them was leaving by the time I found a park and walked over to the spot. There wasn’t anything on him or his camera identifying who he might have been with.
The other guy was from a local Spanish language station (a Univision affiliate).
Oh yeah, and there was another guy there with some semi-pro video gear. I think he was working for AIP.
Here are a few photographs I took while I was there.
q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc1.jpg
q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc2.jpg
q-audio.com/images/keyes_pc3.jpg
k
citizenwells wrote:
I will be addressing this in an article directed at the Supreme Court.
Disenfranchisement-To care or not to care.
Ok.
k