Bishop Ron McRae, Sarah Obama, Affidavit, Obama born in Kenya, Obama grandmother present at birth, Bishop McRae statement on Obama, November 11, 2008

“Hier Stehe Ich” (Here I stand)
Martin Luther
Bishop Ron McRae, who signed an affidavit stating that he witnessed
Sarah Obama, Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother, say that she was
present at Obama’s birth in Kenya, has issued a statement. Bishop McRae
speaks of the law of God and the law of man as it relates to our current
situation in this country and the 2008 election. Bishop McRae echoes
my position in the following statement:

“Take my lands, my liberty and my life for my refusal to neither serve nor obey this god-man Obama. But you will never have for your lies the surrender of my conscience before God, my family and this Republic. God Almighty helping this old man for Christ sake!”

Here is Bishop McRae’s statement:

Declaro Di1 

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?”

                                                                                -Psalm 11:3 

      The very foundation of this country was laid upon this precept, “that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”. 2 Howbeit, with that foundational declaration came two other “self evident” truths, the first of which was our fore fathers’ declaration of the very existence and dependence upon our Creator who endowed such rights as we suppose them to be upon us; and also this exhortation of cautious patience, that “prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed”.

      Yet in these dark days where Governmental ends have in Tyrants’ minds, justified their means, to an irreversible hour that the inexplicable corruptions and abuse of Governmental powers “derived from the consent of the governed” have created even in the minds of a peaceful, obedient people these very same revolutionary thoughts that fearfully started this great country, and yet now contemplate the abolishment of that very state which for over two centuries has been the noblest means for securing a peoples’ undeserved endowment from their Creator. This author dares say “undeserved” in that, if such “unalienable rights” be endowed from our Creator, then such endowment lands upon we Creatures3 here below, the mere acknowledgment of such doth bind us to serve Him for the indebtedness of such endowment; and by such noble servitude we soundly proclaim that in this one universal state of being “all men equal”, we are not before God a Free People in deed of this single most indebtedness to God.  

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves

Servants to obey, his servants ye are

To whom ye obey?”

-Romans 6:16 

      Our freedoms and liberties are pluralistic only in those things that are beyond that endowment that binds us to God our Creator in acknowledgement of “the Truth” that stands so self evident to all. In word and thereby in deed we are a Free People in things related to man, but not free from God who created “all men equal” in things relating to man.  

“If God therefore shall make you free,

ye shall be free indeed.”

                                                 -John 8:36

“Mighty in deed and word

before God and all the people.”

                                                  -Luke 24:19 

      Vox Vero4: The deed by which we are endowed by our Creator is signed by our fore fathers in word of that very Declaration of our Independence from the Tyranny of Man, by which we declare our freedom and liberty from the bondage of Tyrants and Despots that would usurp God’s authority as the Author and Mover of our Happiness and the Endower of our rights; by wresting that form of government so “derived from the consent of the governed”, and replace it with the tyranny of an antichrist rule5, where mere men exalt their seats of government so “derived from the consent of the governed” into the throne of God as the absolute Despot to decide what rights we have and to whom they apply and do not apply.  

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,

or that is worshipped; so that he AS GOD

sitteth in the temple of God,

shewing himself that he is God.”

                                        –2 Thessalonians 2:4 

      Howbeit, it is God alone and not man that endowed these unalienable rights to we His subjects. And Governments are created when in the wisdom of God and man, a Free People consent to give certain powers to men like ourselves, chosen from among us as being like us, to “organiz[e] its powers in such form” as to secure to themselves and their fellows that chose them, these unalienable rights of the people they serve in such capacity as we call Government of the People, for the People and by the People. Without Government, men rule as gods, dictators and monarchs. By the Declaration of Independence we threw off the latter, and by love of liberty we repudiate the second! But shall we as men serve men as gods?

“I have said, Ye are gods;

And all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men.”

                                      -Psalm 82:6, 7 

      God Almighty lives; and governments will live on, but only so long as men are free to serve God and not man. Free to enjoy as equals those unalienable rights endowed upon them from God alone and not man. Free to consent to be governed by their fellows who never forget they are fellow men and not gods; and the consent of their fellows to allow them to govern rests only in their duty before God of being true men, qualified and Constitutionally elected for the securing of the rights of their fellows and the protection of the same. Howbeit, none of these shall prevail or long endure unless there remains an absolute final authority that constitutes the laws by which men consent to be governed by themselves, and an absolute final authority by which both man and his governments are subject unto God. America’s Constitution stands as the former. The word of God stands alone as the latter. The throwing off of the latter gave birth to secularistic humanism with a devilish craving to eat up the former on its way to becoming a god and not man. The destruction of the former is the end of the Republic, the fall of equal rights, and the damnation of America as she has always been known before God.

       The hour has come when the unalienable rights of a Free People are threatened with a tyrannical destruction from Government that wrests such powers derived by the consent of the governed, into a satanical belief that they can use such powers to force the governed into likewise consenting to the surrender of those unalienable rights. In these last days of a most vicious war loving administration, that same Government has grown into such a Tyrant that it would kill its own people in mass to establish a warlord political agenda for destroying all that remains of our Constitution by which we consent to be governed, and under which we have these unalienable rights as a Free People. It has long been established before the Highest Court of this Government, that our unalienable rights cannot be taken from us, or transferred to another. They can only be surrendered, and once surrendered there is no discovered way to get them back. Our rights so constituted are not pluralistic in the various concepts for which they stand. They are not a deck of cards to played over and again. They are singular in each regard, whether it be freedom to speak, freedom to assemble, freedom to bear arms, or freedom to worship. There exist no “freedoms to speak”, that allow the speaker to play his hand over and over as he wishes for convenience sake, so long as he does not use up the last of his deck of cards. Non Secus, Haud Secus! Not so! Even as the courts have long held that the accused right to self incrimination is singular and not plural, so that once given up for one statement, it cannot be gathered back to protect against further statements. That surrendered right is gone forever. So too belongs this doctrine of factual reality to all our rights as a Free People.

      “We the people” have suffered long since America’s first civil unrest to throw off tyranny, in repeated suppressions and violations of our Constitutional rights. Howbeit, as our fathers ably stated, “we are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed”; and so we have since the last Great War suffered repeated violations of individual rights, as long as we could appeal to the Highest Court for redress, in order to right those grievances so tyrannically loaded upon us by mere men under color of law. And thus would a peaceful people continue therein, as long as the Courts granted standing to the people to redress these wrongs under the authority of our Constitution’s clear language. But alas, now Tyrants think to deny even our standing to suit for redress and relief from unconstitutional oppressions and violations.

      And to add to these unbearable torments, in these last days, Government now forces upon us an unbearable injustice, and trampling of the Constitution of the United States, in thinking to force the people to accept a foreigner as the President of this Republic, ignoring the single most important qualification for the highest office in our land, that such a one, not just gain such “power by the consent of the governed”, but that he be naturally born amongst us as one of us. There has never been an alternative option to replace “a natural born citizen” as the President of these United States. The Constitution knows no such option. Howbeit, the Federal Courts have repeatedly refused the people’s right to challenge such unprecedented trampling and violation of what the Constitution clearly says, and to date refuses to require such an Imposter to prove his “natural born” citizenship. Those who challenge such facts are libeled as racists, when nothing further could be true. With repeated Constitutional challenges to this Dreamer’s fraud upon the Constitutional requirements that he be “naturally born” among us, lying dormant before the Highest Court, where Justice Souter has no ears to hear it Constitutionally, nor courage to act to enforce such, What are Peaceable Men to Do? What is it that God requires of Peaceable Men and lovers of liberty to do? For fifty years the Tyrants in Washington have taken God from the minds of the people foremost, so that the Law is King, and tyranny will decide what is law! Now men cower under an overwhelming despotism that rattles its sword and murders its own people, to suppress the voice of God and the people, so that silence is the sound of good men dying as Tyrants march them over the precipice of an antichrist rule of death over the Republic for which we all once stood! Men are want to know what saith the Lord God and Creator of all men equal!

      Juris Prudence has held in every state of our Union, and before the Highest Court of our Republic this principle of a Constitutional Government of Laws and not men, “An unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but wholly null and ineffective for any purpose. It imposes no duty, confers no rights, CREATES NO OFFICE, BESTOWS NO POWER OR AUTHORITY ON ANYONE, affords no protection and justifies no acts performed under it. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional statute, and no courts are bound to enforce it.”6

      With the Unconstitutional ascension to the highest office of our Land, a man that by means of his very birth, is by the Constitution unqualified to hold the Office of President, we are now faced with an unprecedented constitutional challenge to the free people of this Republic, to either surrender that blessed document that our fathers laid as the very “foundation” of law from which we define and derive all unalienable rights from God Almighty, or map for ourselves as our fathers mapped for us, another course of history, guided by prudence, supported by the Constitution, and blessed and directed of God. To fail in any of these three, will ultimately and tragically destroy the very foundation we seek to preserve, and abolish all that history has known as the United States of America.

      Because our system of fairness and hope to all peoples that they may be, like we, free and independent from the tyranny of men and devils, we establish means to migrate others to this land of liberty and promise, that they like our fathers may live to give unto their children that rightful inheritance of being “natural born citizens” and not mere immigrants naturalized to a citizenship not theirs from birth.  

“And the chief captain came, and said unto him,

Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

And the chief captain answered, With a great sum

obtained I this freedom. And Paul said,

But I was Free Born.”

                                -Acts 22:27, 28 

      But never should this Free People, naturally born to such a precious inheritance of freedom by birth as natural born citizens ever allow such an endowment, purchased with the blood of countless fathers and sons throughout our rich heritage, to so cheaply pass to foreigners born abroad, or citizens of other countries. None should so presume to falsify and deceive and repudiate the very foundational right of we natural born citizens, to be governed by none but those like unto us. God deliver us.  But what are men to do? When all that lands upon their ears is from Tyrants’ mouths, and liberal puppets tied by strings to an agenda so vile before God and man, that to voice any difference is to be set upon with such vile hatred as to make strong men shutter and weak men lament like widows for the husbands of their youth7.  

“The vile person shall be no more called Liberal

…for the vile person will speak

villany, and his heart will

work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy,

and to utter error against the Lord.

But the liberal deviseth liberal things;

and by liberal things shall he stand.”

                                                  -Isaiah 32:5-8

      Yet in the beginning of this Republic, voices were heard before shots were fired to re-enforce the thoughts of those voices so daring as to utter righteousness before man in God’s stead. And the words so written from our forefathers were convincing even unto this day, that the Founding Fathers knew the mind of God, and thus were not intimidated by threats of imprisonment or death. Yet in these last days, where Tyrants’ minds have “devised liberal things”, and uttered so much error before the Creator of all men, that the liberal, vile cacophony resounds throughout the land to drown out doubtful voices, whose only authority rests in the Document now being trampled under foot of Tyrants with the innocent blood of their citizens dripping from their hands. Voices so accustomed to being stifled by the drumming of the majority’s whims and fancies to be free from God and laws of righteousness unalienable to all men, those weakened utterances have little or no effect, for lack of any authority that runs deep to the conscience of man’s soul! The halls of Congress are silent in sounds and words of the Creator of all men, where endless laws are passed to rid even the memory of the God of America’s fore fathers. Pulpits are filled with errant diatribes about a god no one knows, and none have heard in fifty years or more! Much is said and scribbled across reams of paper of all these injustices, and that which is heard is of little effect having no authority to stand to in support thereof.

“And they were astonished at his doctrine:

for he taught them as one that had authority,

and not as the scribes.”

                                              -Mark 1:22

      O, what are men to do in this hour? Without God, they can do nothing8, and so it cometh to pass that they do nothing! And what they do by voice without God is ignored for lack of authority or impact, and lack of conscience to stand at all costs behind their given voice. Men will not stand for a piece of paper unless God is in it. Their conscience forbids it, and without such strength of conscience, their voice gives way to fear for lack of authority behind what they say they believe. But the time has come when this lack of conscience and authority and courage to stand at all costs goes no further; but rather gives place to the foundational truths that established this great nation, even at the costs of our lives and fortunes. As our fathers Declared their Independence from the tyranny of monarchial men, it now behooves all free men of courage and conscience to declare of God Almighty what course they now take when the consent of the governed has now diabolically transformed such writ into the enslavement of the governed to foreign influence, foreign political agendas and now a foreign head of state.  

“ Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace–but there is no peace…

What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have?

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased

at the price of chains and slavery?

Forbid it, Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take;

but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

                                                                  -Patrick Henry 

      The hour has come and passed already, wherein this preacher weighs opinions any further in this matter. It matters not what others say or wish to do, or what they would have for another day of peace, “when there is no peace”9. Having walked these many years with God as a child of the King, whose supremacy is above all others, this old man knows the Declaration of God for this hour, and cannot go back, come what may. DECLARO DI!

“We ought to obey God rather than men!”

                                                        -Acts 5:29 

      Let weaker men and women enslave themselves at will in surrendering what cannot be taken from them, to gain what they cannot keep or long enjoy, while liberals and devils laugh them to scorn. But as for this old man, my conscience forbids that I go that way to save another day at large without God or conscience! It has long been established in the Declaration of God that “if thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they” (Ecclesiastes 5:8). So too cometh this Declaration of God, that “if the spirit of the ruler rise up against thee, leave not thy place; for yielding pacifieth great offences” (10:5).

      Let Justice Souter and his fellows ignore their consciences along with the Constitution, but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord with a clear conscience; and will never surrender the liberty of our conscience to the lies and frauds of a foreigner who seeketh to govern not by consent of the governed in accordance to the Constitution or the Word of God, but by lies and deceit without conscience towards God or the people of this United States. Forbid it Almighty God! It matters not what course the majority may take, this child of God will not serve, obey or recognize an unlawful governor or head of state that is not natural born to these United States. Take my liberty, my house and lands and by force of strength my life, but you will not get the liberty of my conscience before God Almighty to refuse an unlawful command or office before God and the Constitution of these United States. “Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty” (2 Corinthians 3:17), and that is all that the Constitution of these United States and the Declaration of Independence is about. That is all that the history of America is about. That is the Declaration of God and the gift of God, and such liberty of conscience before God is so right, that neither men nor devils will ever take it by force from a Free People in service of the God that created them so. Only by deceit can such an unalienable right of liberty be surrendered to the tyranny of men.

      It is the darkest of hours for this country, but one of the greatest to be one of the brave and one of the free! It matters not what a corrupt and murderous government may say of itself, or threaten to others. Now is the time to stand to one’s conscience before God and his family. There is no scripture from God compelling men and women to obey lies, frauds and the murderous declarations of unrighteous governments bent for hell to over throw the consciences and wills of a Free People. Whether civilian or military, the laws of this land forbid it. I can do no less! Before God Almighty, with whom we have to do, we cannot render tribute nor honor unto those to whom no tribute nor honor is due (Romans 13:7). The hour is come that to ignore what is true and clearly factual, because others wish for comforts to do the same, is the destruction of conscience and standing before God Almighty. We need no ruling of Court howsoever high, to clearly see and know that the present government of these United States murdered its own people in mass at New York and Washington, D.C. on September 11, 2001. Terrorists, howsoever radical in their religious extremism killed no one on that fateful day, and God Almighty is witness against the souls of the President and Vice President of this country, for their hands are dripping red with blood, that no vain religious lies will ever cleanse. The souls of every policeman and fireman and citizen of this country that died needlessly that day, cry out against the executive Tyrants of the Bush Administration that killed them! And the Declaration of God stands firm that “Be sure your sin will find you out!”10

      Take my lands, my liberty and my life for my refusal to neither serve nor obey this god-man Obama. But you will never have for your lies the surrender of my conscience before God, my family and this Republic. God Almighty helping this old man for Christ sake! 

By the grace of God alone,

Ron McRae

Presiding Bishop

Anabaptists Churches of North America

P.O. Box 5607

Johnstown, PA 15904



27 responses to “Bishop Ron McRae, Sarah Obama, Affidavit, Obama born in Kenya, Obama grandmother present at birth, Bishop McRae statement on Obama, November 11, 2008

  1. Citizen Wells,

    The Bishop is a tad long winded.

    “Salus Populi Suprema Est Lex”
    (The welfare of the people is the ultimate law.)

    When Marcus Tullius Cicero said that he meant ALL the people not just minority groups.

    Having followed this saga from a distance I have the feeling that Philip Berg’s case is going nowhere. Attempts to incite mutiny among members of the electoral college hold more promise of a result.

    Those like yourself, Jeff Schreiber, Texas Darlin’ Pam Geller etc. who see Obama for what he is can play an important role in undermining his presidency from day one. A campaign of passive resistance can quickly make the nation ungovernable. Obeying the law and bureaucratic regulations to the letter can quickly bring government to a standstill.

    Remember, The Audacity Of Hope is a non sequitur. Hope cannot be audacious, hope is what we have left when the ability to help ourselves is exhausted. Audacity lies in being brave enough, creative enough and self confident enough to make things happen. Americans have always been good at that.

    Now is the time to be audacious and not allow yourselves to be hypnotised by the vacuous sloganising of a mediocre egomaniac.

    BTW I’m more than usual pissed off with Obama this week as he presumed to give instructions to my Government, The British Government about how we should deal with offshore tax havens in The Channel Islands. For a man who is supposed to have lectured in constitutional law he’s awfully ignorant of the basics. The Channel Islands are Sovereign Territories, they are independent states that have The Queen as Head of State. Legally we can’t tell them what to do any more than we can tell the U.S. or France what to do.

    These tax havens have been a thorn in the side of Labour Party politicians for a century. A Labour Government tried to shut them down in the 1970s and caused an economic disaster. If Obama does clamp down on tax havens in the Gulf and tries to bully Britain into acting against our local ones the Russians and Chinese, the oil producing nations and asorted African tyrants will simply move their business to tax havens protected by China and India and the rich people will move their money elsewhere.

    Mr Obama needs to learn he was elected President of The united States Of America not President of The World.

  2. Ian.
    Obama, who believes he is the “messiah”, is perceived to have won the general election (I am not convinced that it was legal in many senses).
    He has not even made it to the real election, the Electoral College. We are in agreement that the Electoral College and subsequent Congressional validation are opportunity points.
    I still believe that Berg’s lawsuit, in the spirit of the US Constitution and intent of the founding fathers, has merit.
    Now we have another lawsuit initiated in NJ, before the Supreme Court, that is crafted with an interesting strategy.
    Any support from the land of my forefathers is appreciated.

  3. Your words while filled with gospel indignation ring with dissonance in a courtroom where church is separated from state. Your affidavit rings loud enough with of course your professional credentials. I’d like to see hi grandmothers affidavit, and a video testimonial. That would be th elegal icing on the cake.

  4. I appreciate your practice of posting someone’s entire statwments. However, Bishop McRae goes into a different world, a world that IMO has nothing to do with the background/election of Obama, in his statement:

    “Terrorists, howsoever radical in their religious extremism killed no one on that fateful day, and God Almighty is witness against the souls of the President and Vice President of this country, for their hands are dripping red with blood, that no vain religious lies will ever cleanse. The souls of every policeman and fireman and citizen of this country that died needlessly that day, cry out against the executive Tyrants of the Bush Administration that killed them!”

    Such statments are more relevant to such sites as Perhaps in future postings you could either precede or succeed such authors’ long-winded statments with your own views about them.

    What is the status of the USA Today ad that Berg, et al, were seeking to publish this week? Again, what ever happened to the limo driver who was to corroborate Sinclair’s allgegations?

    I very much appreciate your continued commitment to getting the truth about Obama published. It amazes me that he is unwilling/unable to simply present his “vault-copy of his origainal birth certificate”. I did for my own passport.

    The truth shall set us free. Keep on, keeping on.
    Thank you.


    Liberal Media ‘Elected’ America’s First Marxist President By Guest

    “The Constitution of the United States requires that those who serve as President be natural born.

    What that means is this question won’t end on November 4 (Election Day).

    Berg’s appealed his lawsuit to the U.S. Supreme Court based on Surrick’s statement that ordinary citizens can’t sue to ensure that presidential candidates meet the constitutional requirements of the office of the States do not.

    Berg will argue that “ordinary people” are granted the right to seek redress of their grievances under the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).

    Obama obviously doesn’t believe in Freedom of Speech. No Marxist does. Karl Marx is the father of Communism.

    Obama will soon discover this question must be answered not because Berg demands it, but because the Constitution requires it.

    I want to thank Bill Barnstead, a Republican activist over the past 56 years, for making this information public by taking out full-page ads in The Washington Times and other publications.”

  6. Chad Sexington

    You can have 100 affidavits, it won’t matter. There’s a birth certificate in Hawaii for him that the state has confirmed is valid. Good luck convincing a court that a Bishop’s affidavit overrules that.

  7. Chad.
    Please reply with all of the below that apply to you:
    1. Kool Aid drinker.
    2. Uniformed.
    3. Gullible.
    4. Reading comprehension deficit.
    5. Brainwashed.
    6. Hypnotized.
    7. The Hawaii officials did not state that Obama was born in Hawaii. This was an Orwellian word manipulation employed by the biased MSM.

  8. Chad.
    One more comment.
    “This ain’t rocket science.”
    If there is a legal birth certificate proving birth in Hawaii, please present it.
    McCain did.
    I would advise that Obama also supply a pledge of allegiance to supersede his Indonesian citizenship.

  9. Do you have a point?

  10. Lengthy it is, however, the truth pervades the entire body of the text.. I’ll let no man convince me otherwise.
    Obama is the man with the lies and deception. Does he think that he is smart enough to outwit the constitution of the United States of America. He didn’t study it thoroughly enough. There is lot of room in the constitution to identify who and when to certify that a candidate is eligible to run for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Hopefully this will be clearly delineated for future elections.
    In the meantime we will have not foreign president take over the land of the free because of the brave. Believe me there are some more braves in the 60 million voters for McCain. Including, I might add, John McCain himself.

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  12. Hi,
    I have one question about the Obama case.
    How does Berg know Obama went to Pakistan.
    I believe the infor about Indonesia and school but I am curious about any source of info about Obama’s travel. So far I have not seen any evidence to corroborate these allegations.
    Am good luck tonight, I will be listening!

  13. Chad Sexington

    Yes, they did declare that he was born in Hawaii. You can’t verify a false document, maybe indicated by the line: “State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawai’i.”

    He’s American, born inside the United States. Next conspiracy theory please.

  14. Please show me the quotes of the Hawaii Health Dept officials stating that Obama was born in Hawaii.
    What you referred to was a lying left wing, liberal, pro Obama reporter trying to make people believe that is what they said.
    Read it again.
    If you or Obama have any legal grade facts, please present them.

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  16. Citizen Wells, THANKS FOR KEEPING US INFORMED. I’ve got your site logged in my blog under LATEST UPDATED ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE CASE(S).

    The trouble with this Obamas menace is he’s involved with SO MANY SHENANIGANS it’s hard to keep focused on one and it’s spread all over. Like when you drop a blob of mercury on the floor and it separates into zillions of tiny balls, yet it is all ONE. That’s Obamas, he’s just like his father LUCIFER aka SATAN.



    Bother important.

  17. Hey Chad,

    You are INCORRECT. The ONLY thing that article states is that the Hawaiian officials verify they HOLD OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE – NOT THAT IT IS A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII.

    Simple play on words so they can remain legal-complying with the law, yet at the same time respecting Obamas’ wish to not disclose it. [Keep wishing Obhamas.] READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN, notice they REFUSED TO ANSWER IF IT THE ONE THEY HOLD IS FROM A BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII.

    See, a “certification of birth” doesn’t count, it must be a certificate of LIVE BIRTH IN THE STATE OF HAWAII.

  18. p.s. CHAD,

    They have his Kenyan birth certificate on file, so they are telling the truth that they hold his original birth certificate, THEY’RE JUST LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT A HAWAIIAN ONE.


  19. Citizen Wells,
    Support from the old country? I’m having a bit of a tough time today after a mishap yesterday (long story, I’ve been recovering from a paralysing illness for ten years but can sometimes forget how restricted my mobility really is) but I do have something, more interesting reading than hard facts. Back at the start of the year I read an article about certain things being done in social networking. Now having been an Information Systems consultant I like to write and talk (on radio) about trends on the web so I made a note to enable me to look up the item later. It was about certain unsavoury characters and their activities but it mentioned Barak Obama’s primary (at the time) campaign. Feeling the political connection might turn out to be important it was logged.
    When I came to look up the article it was no in the newspaper’s main archive but filed under “corrections and clarifications.” Surprise surprise, all reference to Obama had disaapeared as had mention of the scam that collected millions of peoples’ credit card details.

    So as I said no immediately useful information but a lot of insight as to how the internet can be used by groups with authoritarian aims.

    I’ll get a link to you but not today as my wife is keeping me strapped down to stop me damaging myself even more.

  20. MoniQue – I agree with you and others that Chad’s statements are factually “challenged”.
    From what I read, the state official mentioned they have a birth certificate. They never said he was born in Hawaii, or who his father was, nor what hospital he was born in or even if it was a birth certificate issued by Hawaii or another government. Supposedly, we won’t know that information until Andy Martin wins his lawsuit next Tuesday, the 18th and is granted access to that document.

    So, how do you know there is a Kenyan birth certificate in the “vault” out in Hawaii?

    If Obama had Indonesian citizenship, when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents, wouldn’t the Federal government have some sort of paper trail showing his re-entry into the U.S. ?

  21. I might add – the wording that Obama was born in Hawaii came from the pen of an AP writer – NOT, and I repeat – NOT from the state officials.

  22. Dear Joel,

    Thanks for appearing on Monday.

    As you are aware I am always one not to leave any stone unturned and as with this proposed order for a Judicial Subpoena Duces Tecum and related stay in the NYS-SC Kings County 29642-08, has been declined by Justice Schmidt this afternoon, and at his direction was faxed to my attention, see attached pdf file.

    Justice Schmidt declined to sign on the basis that the Second Circuit in the original proceeding 08-5422-OP has already ruled on this issue, and accordingly Justice Schmidt believes any further state court action is collaterally estopped thereby.

    I don’t agree with the decision,but because that may end up in a long struggle in 2nd Department Appellate which will burn time, I am moving on the original concurrent jurisdiction with the Supreme Court of the 08-5422-OP, despite the fact that the substantive matter was only heard by a single Judge not a three judge panel as is required and as a flaw seems to be repeated over and over again.

    As of Tomorrow I will appeal my 2nd Circuit denial in 08-5422-OP to the United States Supreme Court first with the attention of Justice Ginsberg (of Brooklyn) with the requested alternate Justice Roberts (of Buffalo). I will send by Friday at 5 PM by two-day mail my motion for relief there with an original and two copies with a single copy to the Solicitor General.

    Best regards,

    Christopher Strunk –

    — On Tue, 11/18/08, Phil J. Berg wrote:

    From: Phil J. Berg
    Subject: RE: Your Monday 11-17-08 Application
    To: “‘Christopher Strunk'”
    Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:20 AM

    Hi Christopher,

    Great Job! As for Ann Dunham, I would have listed her a/k/a’s as Ann Dunham a/k/a Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Obama a/k/a Stanley Ann Obama a/k/a Stanley Ann Dunham Obama a/k/a Ann Dunham Obama.

    It is believed she was using the name “Ann Dunham Obama” and “Ann Obama” at the time of Obama’s birth.

    Hope it helps. Good luck, let us know what happens.


    Lisa Liberi

    Assistant to Philip J. Berg


    From: Christopher Strunk []
    Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:52 AM
    To: Joel Graber
    Subject: Re: Your Monday 11-17-08 Application

    The attached will be notarized filed with the clerk for payment of fee and then taken up to the 10th floor by 9:30 AM. I will give you a call when they are ready fopr a hearing.

    Christopher Strunk

    — On Fri, 11/14/08, Joel Graber wrote:

    From: Joel Graber
    Subject: Your Monday 11-17-08 Application
    Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 4:59 PM

    Dear Chris

    Regarding your application for an order to show cause, you may inform the
    court/clerk’s office that we will remain on call. If the court desires, we
    will come to the courthouse immediately, a trip of about 20 minutes.

    In the meantime, please email your papers ASAP between now and Monday.


    Assistant Attorney General
    Special Litigation Counsel
    New York State Attorney General’s Office
    120 Broadway – 24th Floor
    New York ,
    NY 10271-0332
    (212) 416-8645
    FAX (212) 416-6009

    This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain
    information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended
    recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error
    and that review, dissemination or copying of this communication is
    If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the
    message and notify this office. Thank you for your cooperation.

    >>> Christopher Strunk 11/14/2008 2:49 PM
    10 AM Monday 11/17/08 at the motions intake part Tenth Floor 360 Adams
    NYS Supreme Court

    Christopher Strunk

    — On Fri, 11/14/08, Christopher Strunk wrote:

    From: Christopher Strunk
    Subject: 10 AM 11-17-08 Appearence for Proposed Order to Show Cause in
    To:, “Kimberly Galvin”

    Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 2:15 PM

    The Second Circuit has Denied my Motion for Writ of Mandamus as of today (see
    attached orders)

    On Monday 11-17-08 , I am presenting a proposed Order to Show Cause for
    emergency relief in the Case with Index No.: 29642/2008 at which I am
    your attendence for a preliminary hearing before Justice Schmidt.

    I am requesting:

    1. a Judicial Subpoena of the
    US State Department for the travel documents
    from 1960 through 1963 for
    Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama)

    2. That the Documents be provided to each of the Elected Electoral College
    slate and their filled vacancies before their certification on or about December
    1, 2008;

    3. That until such time that the documents are provided their shall be a stay
    upon the New York Electoral College from voting on or after December 15, 2008

    and / or

    4. Until the stay is lifted by the US Supreme Court or the Justice assigned to
    this case.

    I will have a hard copy of the papers available on Monday morning and by email
    in preparation prior to that time.

    For further discussion feel free to contact me:

    Christopher Strunk
    (845) 901-6767

    Furthermore, notwithstanding anything which is ordered by Justice Schmidt I am
    in the process of filing for a stay in the
    US Supremem Court under rules 22 and
    23 on or about Tuesday 11/18/08.

  23. If Obama’s grandmother says she was present at his birth in Kenya, it would make perfect sense to subpoena her under oath…to give a statment. How about at the US Counselatte or Embassy for Kenya? And how about today!!!
    The hospital in Hawaii sealed his birth certificate record. Get it unsealed. It is only a cert. of live birth.

  24. Ronald Niebergall

    What is wrong with this country when our own government will allow a foreigner to become the leader of this country? Even Barack Obama’s own grandmother admitts that he was born in Kenya. Form the time he was asked to show his birth certificate to now will give his people time to falsify a birth certificate for him (Barack Obama). Is there anyone in this country who cares anymore?

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