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Thrivent claims experiences impact on my faith and others, Thrivent claims core Christian values but that was not my experience, Impact not just financial physical & emotional 

Thrivent claims experiences impact on my faith and others, Thrivent claims core Christian values but that was not my experience, Impact not just financial physical & emotional

“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal”…1 Corinthians 13

“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words.”…2 Peter 2:1-3

“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”…Jesus, John 8:32

 

This may be the most important article that I write about my claims experiences with Thrivent Financial for Lutherans (and now anybody).

Aside from the devastating financial, physical and emotional impact of their treatment of me over many years and 2 claims experiences, there was potential for impacting my faith.

If Thrivent had been my predominant experience with the Lutheran Church, I would have run away screaming in despair.

From the Washington Post March 28, 2014.

The change from “Thrivent Financial for Lutherans” to just “Thrivent Financial” was not a simple response to declining membership in the Lutheran church, Moeller said, although that factor was discussed during the lengthy transition talks.

It’s more about having a long-term strategy to share the company’s Christian business principles with more people, he said.

“It will open many, many new doors for us in terms of our ability to expand and help our members and communities,” he said.

The U.S. has three main Lutheran denominations, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. The ELCA, the largest of the three with 3.9 million members in the U.S., reported a drop in weekly attendance of 26 percent from 2003 to 2011.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/thrivent-financial-is-no-longer-for-lutherans-only/2014/03/28/2b47102e-b6ae-11e3-9eb3-c254bdb4414d_story.html?utm_term=.acc9a426cfda

There are 2 main messages in what I write here:

1. Put your faith in God and the message of Jesus.

2. Whether you are involved in an organized religion or not, live your life properly, as Jesus taught. People may not believe what you say but they will certainly believe what you do.

“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 5:16

I was baptized as an infant in the Lutheran Church, raised attending, was an acolyte, attended catechism class and confirmed at age 12.
I sang in the choir for years.

As I grew older I became less enamored with organized religion, with its emphasis on money, buildings and temporal matters.

I have attended other denominations and hung out with the Baptists.

I have known many Godly people of various denominations.

I have also observed behavior that would turn many away.

During my first claims experience with Thrivent in 2002, I had a conversation with Sandy Kruse. I had been in great pain before, during and after surgery. I had been trying to get a proper date of disability from the surgeon to Thrivent. It was frustrating. As it turns out, and well documented now, Thrivent used the incorrect language of “unable to work” instead of “unable to perform regular occupation.” Thrivent later corrected a form but never apologized to me or made reparations.

During the conversation, as indicated by Thrivent in the transcript of the call I requested, I quoted 3 different bible verses. Ms. Kruse was offended and went on to slander and libel me with the local Thrivent rep.

In the second claims experience, beginning in 2009, I now have proof that Thrivent fraudulently misrepresented the policy provisions and used this posture for unreasonable requests and ultimately to accuse me of fraud when in fact it was they who were committing fraud.

Thrivent has been the antithesis of exhibiting core Christian values.

I am not the only one affected.

George Tiedemann, a Lutheran, was surprised at how he was treated by Thrivent:

“The insurance the Tiedemanns bought in 1993 didn’t restrict their ability to sue over disputes. But in 1999 Aid Association for Lutherans amended its bylaws, effectively blocking policyholders from the courts and substituting a three-step dispute-resolution process.

For members who have found themselves in disputes with Thrivent, the retroactive change rankles. “You’re wondering how Lutheran organizations can treat their own customers that way,” says Mr. Tiedemann, an 83-year-old retiree who navigated the dispute-resolution process for more than two years before giving up. The couple is maintaining Lucy Tiedemann’s policy, who is recovering from a recent fall.”

http://eachstorytold.com/2018/06/24/george-tiedemann-obituary-mr-tiedemann-featured-in-wsj-article-about-thrivent-some-life-insurers-play-by-different-rules-george-and-lucy-tiedemann-navigated-the-dispute-resolut/

I quote the bible more than ever.

Putting too much faith in people and institutions will fail.

Thrivent has not shaken my faith.

However, my trust in the Lutheran Church or any other organized religion has diminished.

Perhaps that is a blessing.

I have long believed that there needs to be another reformation.

I strongly believe that now.

I consider myself more a Christian than Lutheran.

 

More here:

https://citizenwells.com/

http://citizenwells.net/

 

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Thrivent claim struggle, What would Jesus say?, Jesus often quoted Old Testament, Thrivent core Christian values?, Answer in bible

Thrivent claim struggle, What would Jesus say?, Jesus often quoted Old Testament, Thrivent core Christian values?, Answer in bible

“I worked at Thrivent Financial full-time (More than 8 years)”                      “Claims to be based on Christian values but does not adhere to them.”…Former Thrivent employee

“Companies And CEOs Rarely Admit To Wrongdoing”…NPR, Sept. 20, 2013

“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”…Jesus, John 8:32

 

My first claim experience with Thrivent was in 2001-2002.

I was criticized by Sandy Kruse then for quoting 3 bible verses.

Jesus often quoted the Old Testament.

My much larger, much more significant claims experience with Thrivent has been from 2009 on.

I have been put through hell without experiencing any blessings from Thrivent’s touted core Christian values.

I have been honest and timely with information required per the contract for the claim.

I have written Thrivent direct, had 2 attorneys write letters or represent me otherwise and have appealed multiple times in articles on the internet for Thrivent to do a proper investigation and realize the harm they have done to me.

I have also appealed directly to 2 Thrivent outside attorneys providing them with the true facts of the case and recently provided one with a heads up regarding the wacko “Alice in Wonderland” contract explanation sent to the NC Insurance Commission by a Thrivent employee.

The employee is Sandy Headington.

I even offered, in the spirit of compromise, Thrivent a face saving option, to engage me as a consultant to reveal serious flaws in their claims process.

“Pride goeth before destruction.” Proverbs 16:18

I have tried everything I can think of to get the attention of Thrivent, to get them to see the light, and to do the right thing.

I have tried to do the right thing.

How should disputes and offenses be dealt with
between believers in the church fellowship?

“In Matthew 18:15-17, Jesus established a procedure to be followed in the event that a brother would commit a sin or offense against another Christian. Many Christian scholars believe that this is one of the most neglected teachings of the entire Bible. It’s been said that if all believers would simply obey scripture, to go and confront their offenders in the manner Jesus gave, it would solve over half of all problems which exist in the church.

It is important to confront those brethren who have trespassed against us for the following five reasons:

(1) To resolve misunderstandings. Most offenses in the church result from misunderstandings and many could be quickly resolved if offended parties would just go to the source and find out the facts. Unfortunately, some offended people will just absorb the offense silently, while growing bitter and resentful. It is important to God, and a matter of obedience to His Word, that such issues are confronted.

(2) To maintain peace in the body of Christ (Eph. 4:1-3). Whenever there is friction and turmoil between believers it affects the whole body. It hinders people from entering into worship and receiving from God’s Word. It creates an uninviting atmosphere for visitors in the church, it may hinder people from coming to Christ, and can even grieve the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:30-32).

(3) So Satan cannot gain advantage over us (2 Cor. 2:10-11). For our own spiritual well-being, we must be quick to resolve our differences with brethren and forgive. Satan can hinder our spiritual life, and even deceive us into apostasy, through harbored bitterness or unforgiveness (Matt. 18:35).

(4) So that the offender is held accountable — to not repeat his actions to harm the faith of others (Matt. 18:6). Persons who bring offense against you are likely to repeat similar acts against others. Confronting their offensive behavior may cause them to restrain their actions from causing further offenses.

(5) To restore a fallen brother (Gal. 6:1). Christians must make every attempt to restore brethren who fall into sin. Especially when the transgression has been committed against us, our love for our brother’s spiritual well-being demands that we confront the brother so that he might be reconciled to God.

How to deal with the trespasser: The following scripture is how Jesus taught for Christians to confront those brethren who have wronged them.

Matthew 18:15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
18:16 But if he will not hear you, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.””

http://www.victorious.org/cbook/chur29-confront-disputes

Are Sandy Kruse and Sandy Headington the same person?

Every internet search that I did revealed that Sandy Kruse was also referred to as Sandy Headington and vice versa. Sandy Headington is married. Same address.

Both Sandys apparently did not understand earned income in the context of the contract.

Sandy Kruse criticized my use of bible verses.

Sandy Headington totally misquoted the contract and then attacked me.

Core Christian values?

Sandy Headington, in her letter to the NC Insurance Commission, wrote:

“In 2018, Wells took to social media in an attempt to paint Thrivent in an unflattering light”

“Thrivent, through Attorney [redacted], has advised Wells to remove any and all postings designed to smear Thrivent’s name. Wells has been advised Thrivent will move forward with arbitration proceedings, including an injunction preventing further posting and any such action deemed appropriate based on Wells’s actions.”

From the Thrivent Code of Conduct:

“How might my behavior be perceived if it appeared in social media feeds, on the news or in tomorrow’s headlines?”

 

More here:

https://citizenwells.com/

http://citizenwells.net/

 

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans “Code of Conduct” vs my claims experience, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity”

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans “Code of Conduct” vs my claims experience, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity”

“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal”…1 Corinthians 13

“We ended the year with a total adjusted surplus of $ 4.6 billion.”…Thrivent Magazine spring 2010

“How might my behavior be perceived if it appeared in social media feeds, on the news or in tomorrow’s headlines?”...Thrivent’s latest “Code of Conduct”

 

I recently received a “gift” from the NC Insurance Commission regarding my claims with Thrivent Financial for Lutherans.

This “Rosetta Stone” reveals the “Alice in Wonderland” protocol and subsequent treatment of me and my claims.

I have a code of ethics.

First and foremost, I do not lie. I do not misrepresent the policy provisions or claims information.

Thrivent has indicated that they do not like what I have written. They have threatened me with legal action.

I gave Brad Hewitt, Chief Executive Officer a heads up in a Citizen Wells article dated July 30, 2018.

I gave their outside attorney a heads up in an email dated August 22, 2018.

I am prepared to move forward with the truth.

Below are some relevant highlights from Thrivent’s “Code of Conduct” from several years ago.

“How would my action look as a headline in tomorrow’s newspaper?” from Page 4 seems relevant.

Page 2

“Just as The Thrivent Way encourages all of us to be trustworthy in character and competence, our Code of Conduct helps us live out and demonstrate the principles of The Thrivent Way. Thrivent’s Code of Conduct helps guide our actions and choices.

At its core, the Code of Conduct boils down to common sense—treat others with
respect, follow the law and adhere to Thrivent policies and expectations. It’s a simple concept that helps us best serve our members and society.”

Page 4

“The Thrivent Way

Our mission, vision and values
We are a membership organization of Christians, and our members are our owners. Our purpose is to serve our members and society by guiding both to be wise with money and live generously.
We believe that all we have is a gift from God and that generosity is an expression of faith.
We succeed when our members, their families and their communities thrive.
We value our relationships, so we will:Be trustworthy in character and competence,
and Act like owners and treat each other as owners, and Live balanced and generous lives.”

“Thrivent Financial is dedicated to acting in the interest of our member-owners.
Ethics matter, and we expect everyone acting on behalf of Thrivent to know and
understand our Code of Conduct and follow its principles.”

“Making the Right Decisions

Our Code highlights key principles that guide our behavior at Thrivent, but it can’t address every ethical situation. In those cases, use your best judgment to make the right decision or seek guidance.

Consider these questions before you act:
• Does my action conflict with The Thrivent Way?
• Is it legal?
• How would my family or friends view my behavior?
• How would my action look as a headline in tomorrow’s newspaper?
• Could my behavior harm Thrivent’s reputation?”

Page 13

“Know the Signs of Fraud
Fraudulent activities are known to have occurred in most companies.
Although most people have honest intentions, it’s in our best interest
to remain vigilant and help prevent fraud by understanding the common
signs of fraudulent behavior.”

“Misrepresentation related to an application or claim.”

Page 14

Fraternal Status
To protect our fraternal heritage and maintain our fraternal status, Thrivent will follow the federal and state requirements applicable to fraternal benefit societies.
We will not inappropriately utilize our fraternal status to competitive advantage.

Thrivent’s latest “Code of Conduct.”

http://cdn.coverstand.com/37774/271455/0b8f1921bcfd7ec219a6e30e93157d88675a9955.62.pdf

Note the latest version states:

“How might my behavior be perceived if it appeared in social media feeds, on the news or in tomorrow’s headlines?”

Once again I present to Thrivent:

“Those who use the sword will die by the sword.”…Matthew 26:52

 

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https://citizenwells.com/

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Jesus Christ Superstar, Why I did not watch, Put simply: it trivializes Jesus and Christianity, NBC fake news, Truth Magazine: “There seems to be no end to the methods Satan will use to destroy faith in God”

Jesus Christ Superstar, Why I did not watch, Put simply: it trivializes Jesus and Christianity, NBC fake news, Truth Magazine: “There seems to be no end to the methods Satan will use to destroy faith in God”

“Evangelist Franklin Graham doesn’t believe it was the Russians who intervened in this year’s controversial presidential election.
It was God, he declared during President-elect Donald Trump’s final public rally before the Electoral College vote Monday.”…Franklin Graham

“NBC presents ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’. More fake news.”…Citizen Wells

“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”…Jesus, John 8:32

 

Why I did not watch “Jesus Christ Superstar” on fake news NBC last night?  Put simply: it trivializes Jesus and Christianity.

Truth Magazine explains this well.

“There seems to be no end to the methods Satan will use to destroy faith in God, in Christ, and in the Bible. The widely publicized and popular rock opera, Jesus Christ Superstar, is but another bold attack against the deity of Jesus and the truthfulness of the Bible. A greater distortion of the Bible and of the real character of Jesus would be hard to imagine. It depicts Jesus as being only a man who is deceived into thinking he is God’s Son. As a man he is depicted as being immoral by having a love affair with Mary Magdalene, who is supposed to be a harlot that has “had so many men before.”

In the opening song, “Heaven On Their Minds,” Judas is speaking to Christ and says:

“Jesus! You’ve started to believe

The things they say of you

You really do believe

This talk of God is true.

This is even a misrepresentation of Judas for he believed Jesus was speaking the truth. In Matt. 27:4 Judas said, “I have betrayed the innocent blood.” One of the charges against Jesus was that he claimed to be the Son of God. The only way he could be innocent regarding this charge was by being what he claimed.

In the opera when Jesus is instituting the “Lord’s Supper,” he says:

“For all you care this wine could be my blood

For all you care this bread could be my body

I must be mad thinking I’ll be remembered — yes

I must be out of my head!

Look at your blank faces!

My name will mean nothing

Ten minutes after I’m dead!”

Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus manifest doubt as to whether the apostles would remember him after his death. In Matt. 26:29 he promises to eat the Supper again with them in the “Father’s kingdom.” He knew this would be after his death and that they would be remembering him by eating the “Lord’s Supper.” Furthermore, Jesus never accused the eleven of not caring about him as is implied in the statement above.”

“These are only a few examples of the many perversions which are found in the script of Jesus Christ Superstar. The album sells for $10.98 at the local record shop here in Camden, and I understand that it has already sold over one million copies. It is amazing what a high price the Devil can charge for his perverted gospel and still get millions to buy it. This rock opera may portray “the modem interpretation of the last few days of Jesus life” as they claim in their advertisements, but it does not portray the interpretation of the inspired writers of the New Testament. The thing about it that amazes me most is the claim of some Christians that they cannot see anything wrong with it. But then Jesus did say some would close their eyes lest they should see (Matt. 13:15). Its whole design is to destroy faith in Jesus as God’s Son and makes a mock of all who believe him to be so. It depicts him as a mentally mad, would-be king, who failed in his quest for power. It ends with his death. Nothing is said about his resurrection. Thus, by implication they make his death the end and deny the one fact that proves his deity.”

Read more:

http://www.truthmagazine.com/jesus-christ-superstar

 

 

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Hillary quotes reveal sociopathic personality, Hillary Clinton is evil and if you support her you cannot be a Christian Jew believer or a good person, Quotes are a window into her tortured soul, More to come on why Hillary is a sociopath

Hillary quotes reveal sociopathic personality, Hillary Clinton is evil and if you support her you cannot be a Christian Jew believer or a good person, Quotes are a window into her tortured soul, More to come on why Hillary is a sociopath

“Billy and Hillary Clinton continue to be lying, cheating, manipulative, scratching, clawing, ruthlessly aggressive, insatiably ambitious politicians who are giving public service a bad name – and nothing about them has changed in the past forty-plus years, except that they have deluded more and more people,”…Dolly Kyle Browning

“The Clintons’ “systematically abuse women and others – sexually, physically, and psychologically – in their scramble for power and wealth,” says the book’s press release.”…”The Clintons’ War on Women”

“The devil’s in that woman.”…Miss Emma, Clinton’s cook, governor’s mansion

 

 

Most things are simple, even though we try to complicate them.

The message of Jesus Christ was simple in contradiction to the Pharisees who tried to complicate things.

I rejected evil as a child.

I still do.

That is the reason that I reject Hillary Clinton.

It is not because she is a Democrat.

If you claim to be a Christian, Jew or believer and you support Hillary Clinton, you had better quickly wake up, repent, pay attention, ask questions and inform others.

Hillary Clinton is a sociopath and is of evil.

It is that simple.

Here are some quotes that provide a window into her tortured soul.

““When are they going to get those f—ing ree-tards out of here?!”
Hillary reportedly grew frustrated that handicapped children weren’t collecting their Easter eggs quickly enough on the lawn of the Arkansas governor’s mansion.

“Where is the goddamn fucking flag? I want the goddamn fucking flag up every fucking morning at fucking sunrise.”
—Hillary to Arkansas state troopers at the guardhouse as she was pulling out of the governor’s mansion on Labor Day, 1991 (The
First Partner, p. 192).

“Fuck off! It’s enough that I have to see you shit-kickers every day. I’m not going to talk to you, too. Just do your goddamn job and keep your mouth shut.”
—Hillary to her Arkansas state trooper bodyguards, after one of them told her “good morning” (American Evita, p. 90).

“If you want to remain on this detail, get your fucking ass over here and grab those bags.”
—Hillary to a Secret Service agent who is trained to keep his hands free at all times to protect his boss. According to countless
witnesses, this kind of demanding and demeaning behavior and attitude is very common for Hillary over the years.

“Get fucked! Get the fuck out of my way! Get out of my face!”
—A typical comment from Hillary to Secret Service agents throughout the 1990s (Hillary’s Scheme, p. 89).

“Stay the fuck back, stay the fuck away from me! Don’t come within ten yards of me, or else! … Just fucking do as I say, okay?”
—Hillary to her Secret Service detail (Unlimited Access, p. 139).

“Bimbos,” “sluts,” “trailer trash,” “rednecks,” and “shit-kickers.”
—Terms Hillary commonly used to describe Arkansans (American Evita, p. 139).

“Goddamn, L. D., did you see that family right out of Deliverance? Get me the hell out of here.”
—L. D. Brown, Bill’s favorite state trooper, while at a county fair in Arkansas in the early 1980s. They had just spoken to “salt of the
earth” country Arkansans who wore bib overalls and cotton dresses. Brown also said that Hillary would reduce grown men state
troopers such as Trooper Mark Allen to tears with her vicious attacks (Crossfire, p. 85).

“You goddamn stupid fucking fool.”
—Hillary to Bill while in the presence of Chelsea, then a toddler (Newsmax, July 15, 2000).

After Hillary had heard some bad news about Whitewater, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson describes the scene: “As soon as the elevator closed, she exploded at the president with a spew of four-letter words. Every vulgar word you’ve ever heard poured from her mouth: ‘Goddamnit,’ ‘you bastard,’ ‘it’s your fucking fault.’” Patterson said Bill just hung his head, took the abuse while the Secret
Service agents and a doctor looked on mortified. (Dereliction of Duty, p. 68).

“That’ll teach them to fuck with us.”
—Hillary said to aides right after her comments to Matt Lauer in January 1998 that a “vast right-wing conspiracy” was out to get the Clintons (The Case Against Hillary Clinton, p. 162).

“These women are all trash. Nobody’s going to believe them.”
—Hillary on Bill’s accusers (Bill & Hillary, p. 220).

“I want to get this shit over with and get these damn people out of here.”
—Hillary, over the Arkansas governor’s mansion intercom as preschoolers who had been invited to the governor’s mansion were
posing on the lawn for a photograph (The First Partner, p. 192).

“We have to destroy her.”
—Hillary on Gennifer Flowers (The Final Days, p. 13).

“You fucking Jew bastard.”
—Hillary to campaign manager Paul Fray on the night of Bill’s loss in his 1974 congressional race (The State of a Union, p. 153).

“[You] Jew bastard! … [You] Jew motherfucker!”
—Hillary and Bill would often call each other these slurs, according to former Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson (The State of
a Union, p. 155).

Here are just a few from Bill.

“What’s all the fuss about? It was just a goddamn motherfucking pig.”
—Bill Clinton seeing people at the funeral of a black Arkansas state trooper, according to Larry Patterson on an audiotape
interview called More Than Sex, which was produced by Newsmax.

“I can do any goddamned thing I want. I’m the president of the United States. I take care of my friends and I fuck with my enemies.
That is the way it is.”
—Bill to his staff who challenged him after he said he wanted every member of the Independent Counsel’s office audited by the IRS.

There are many many many more quotes.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

I have not included her deeds nor yet provided why she qualifies as a sociopath.

The quotes are enough to make you wonder.

The proof is forthcoming.

Many of the quotes came from the book “The Clintons War on Women.”

I have read part of the book and intend to read the rest.

I highly recommend it.

clintonswaronwomen

 

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https://citizenwells.com/

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Hillary Clinton lies and hypocrisy on marriage religion, Bill Clinton well documented sex exploits, Hillary knew he was cheating, Affair with Vince Foster, Open marriage? Marriage for political expediency

Hillary Clinton lies and hypocrisy on marriage religion, Bill Clinton well documented sex exploits, Hillary knew he was cheating, Affair with Vince Foster, Open marriage? Marriage for political expediency

“I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that exists between a man and a woman, going back into the mists of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.”…Hillary Clinton 2004

“Bob Hartlein reports for The National Enquirer, Nov. 14, 2014, that in his sworn testimony, Officer L.D. Brown said he had eyewitnessed the wife-swapping of Bill, Hillary, and their respective lovers.”
“Brown said that Bill and Hillary Clinton are wild “swingers” – a bombshell disclosure 
that can ruin her chances of winning the White House in 2016”…DC ClothesLine November 22, 2014

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”…Matthew 7:15

 

 

Even in the nineties, when internet reporting and researching was in its infancy, I knew enough to know that Bill Clinton was a womanizer many times over and that Hillary was aware of it.

One of my so called Christian associates in the nineties was constantly defending Bill Clinton and that it was not a big deal. The end justifies the means.

Another friend from a few years ago, somewhat liberal, but I believe a Christian, said she would never vote for or support Hillary Clinton because she tolerated Bill’s infidelity.

In searching for Hillary Clinton quotes on marriage I encountered the following.

From The Gospel Coalition April 24, 2015.

What is marriage? Back in 2004, Senator Hillary Clinton gave a pretty good definition. To be fair, the larger context was her speaking against the idea of a federal marriage amendment, but in the course of her speech she resolutely defended the notion that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they become adults.

She later sounded quite conservative in warning about the consequences of what we might call non-traditional family situations.

We could stand on this floor for hours talking about the importance of marriage, the significance of the role of marriage in not only bringing children into the world but enabling them to be successful citizens in the world. How many of us have struggled for years to deal with the consequences of illegitimacy, of out-of-wedlock births, of divorce, of the kinds of anomie and disassociation that too many children experienced because of that.

Mrs. Clinton even defended the rights of the states to define marriage as they see fit.

The States, which have always defined and enforced the laws of marriage, are taking action. Thirty-eight States–maybe it is up to 40 now–already have laws banning same-sex marriage. Voters in at least eight States are considering amendments to their constitutions reserving marriage to unions between a man and a woman. But the sponsors argue that we have to act with a Federal constitutional amendment because the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution will eventually force States, if there are any left, that do not wish to recognize same-sex marriages to do so. That is not the way I read the case law. With all due respect, the way I read the case law is that the full faith and credit clause has never been interpreted to mean that every State must recognize every marriage performed in every other State.”

“Three cheers for the Clintons–of 1993 and 2004! Are there any Democrats or Republicans or college presidents or members of the mainstream media who would dare to say the same things today?”

Read more:

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2015/04/24/three-cheers-for-bill-and-hillary-clinton/

God I hope not.

Talk about drinking the koolaid.

Kevin DeYoung is senior pastor of University Reformed Church in East Lansing, Michigan.

Mr. DeYoung, you are taught as a Christian to beware of false prophets.

Did you really believe the Clintons?!!

From Joe the Plumber April 28, 2015.

“Hillary Takes Direct Aim at Changing Christian Beliefs: Media Silent”

“Clinton, the proud recipient of the Margaret Sanger award in 2009, the award from none other than the “mother of eugenics,” now wants to change your “deep seated…religious beliefs” among other aspects of your culture, so that abortions will be available without interference from principles that shouldn’t matter.

“Rights have to exist in practice — not just on paper,” Clinton argued. “Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will.” “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed,” Clinton added.”

“It was perhaps Clinton’s attempt to hammer the final nail into America’s proverbial coffin by lessening Christians’ religious, cultural, and familial beliefs. If achieved, the result will be that God, the Bible and the U.S. Constitution which was founded upon Christian principles, will take a back seat to other progressive agendas, at least in a Clinton presidency.”

“In an answer that Pelosi could be proud of, Clinton answered, “At the risk of appearing predictable, the Bible was and remains the biggest influence on my thinking.” She continued, “I was raised reading it, memorizing passages from it and being guided by it.” Clinton concluded, “I still find it a source of wisdom, comfort and encouragement.””

“I’m not buying it. Let us not forget how Clinton once “evolved” on her views toward gay marriage when she was first against it and then for it.

Undoubtedly, if true to Clinton form, look for her further evolution when it comes to changing Americans’ religious beliefs, family and culture should she be elected president.”

Read more:

http://joeforamerica.com/2015/04/hillary-clintons-speech-2015-womens-summit-beginning-another-evolution-geared-toward-transforming-christian-beliefs/#

From Citizen News April 28, 2015.

“Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation”

“L. D. Brown has been a witness to almost all of the alleged offenses circling around Bill Clinton in Arkansas: misuse of state funds for sexual liasons, Whitewater, illegal campaign fundraising and bribery, as well as cocaine use and cocaine smuggling. Through his cooperation with prosecutors and congressional investigators, Brown has learned the inside story on Robert Fiske’s and Kenneth Starr’s operations and on congressional hearings. But most of all, L. D. Brown can tell the story of the methods used by the Clinton White House to control potentially damaging witnesses. Most of what is written in this book has been told under the penalty of perjury to investigators for Congress and the Office of Independent Counsel.”

“He announced that the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster could not be properly concluded until someone INTERROGATED Hillary Rodham Clinton about her affair with Vince Foster. “You’ve heard the rumors and the denials, but I’m here to give first person evidence that it was real. I saw it and talked to them both about it. And she’s never even been interviewed!””

“From DC ClothesLine November 22, 2014.

“Arkansas State trooper: Bill and Hillary Clinton are swingers”

“On Nov. 10, 1997, Brown gave a deposition at the DoubleTree Hotel in Little Rock. The text of the deposition, published in full by The Washington Post on March 13, 1998, was released by Paula Jones’s lawyers, as part of their response to the Clinton legal team’s motion for summary judgement.”

“Now that Hillary Clinton, from all indications, has her eyes set on running for president in 2016The National Enquirer undertook a special investigation and succeeded in tracking down a testimony that L.D. Brown had made under oath during a government investigation into the mysterious 1993 suicide of the Clintons’ White House lawyer, Vince Foster. In his testimony, Brown said that Bill and Hillary Clinton are wild “swingers” – a bombshell disclosure 
that can ruin her chances of winning the White House in 2016.

Recall that it was the Enquirer — when other media refused to — that alone pursued and broke the scandalous story of then-Democratic vice-presidential candidate John Edwards’ adultery and “love child” with political groupie Rielle Hunter. (See “John Edwards, a cad to the end“)”

“Bob Hartlein reports for The National Enquirer, Nov. 14, 2014, that in his sworn testimony, Officer L.D. Brown said he had eyewitnessed the wife-swapping of Bill, Hillary, and their respective lovers.

Brown told independent counsel Kenneth Starr that he was guarding then-Arkansas Governor Clinton and his wife at a Little Rock restaurant while they dined in a private dining room with two other couples.

What happened was “a diagonal swap,” bolstered by booze. Officer Brown watched in astonishment as Hillary and Vince kissed and fondled each other, while Vince’s wife looked on. Bill sat just a few feet away, kissing and hugging the wife of the third couple, whom Brown described as a “beautiful, gleaming Kewpie doll with brains.”

When the couples left the restaurant, Brown said Hillary and Foster were “drunk, kissing passionately,” and Foster had “his hand on Hillary’s rear and is just squeezing it all to hell.”

Brown also said both Bill and Hillary had admitted to him that they had an “openmarriage.” Bill referred to the wife-swapping, saying: “We need to be happy, satisfied. Some people are satisfied in different ways!””

http://citizenwells.net/2015/04/28/l-d-brown-witness-in-the-clinton-investigation-bill-and-hillary-clinton-are-wild-swingers-wife-swapping-vince-foster-affair-hillary-lies-on-marriage-not-supported-by-her-actions/

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1111 resurrection of Jesus, Getting our attention, The truth shall set you free, We are being lied to on a scale unimaginable by George Orwell in “1984”, Angels or God trying to get our attention

1111 resurrection of Jesus, Getting our attention, The truth shall set you free, We are being lied to on a scale unimaginable by George Orwell in “1984”, Angels or God trying to get our attention

“Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”…First Corinthians 1:25

“And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”…Jesus, John 8:32

 

 

This morning, Easter Sunday, April 5, 2015, I had a few moments to reflect on the resurrection and message of Jesus of Nazareth, on the fact that it took such a drastic, traumatic step to get our attention and we still are not listening. I thought to myself, no wonder it is so difficult to get people to pay attention to the warnings from me and others. The serious economic scenario that is mushrooming, the alarming jobs situation and even scarier the lack of moral leadership in Washington.

One thought led to another and I was reminded of something most people have never heard of. The constant beacons of electronic clocks showing 1:11 or 11:11.

Thousands of people have been experiencing this for years. Being drawn to viewing the device when those numbers are shown.

Sounds bizarre doesn’t it? But I have reason to believe that it is happening.

I did some reading on the subject some time ago & my curiosity and math background kept revisiting the subject. It happened again this morning.

One thought I had was that 111 in binary is equal to 7. 7 is used throughout the bible and has a special significance. Not to mention the 7 seals from Revelations.

Another tack led me to the bible. The 11th book First Kings, Chapter 11, verse 11.

“So the Lord said to Solomon, “Since this is your attitude and you have not kept my covenant and my decrees, which I commanded you, I will most certainly tear the kingdom away from you and give it to one of your subordinates.”

That one gave me cold chills.

Here are some articles that are interesting.

From Doreen Virtue.

“If you continually see the numbers 11, 111, or 1111, there’s a reason. The most common way that angels communicate with humans is through the universal languages of numbers and music.

The ancient Greek philosopher Pythagoras was the first to establish that numbers hold vibrational properties.  He taught that the entire universe is mathematically precise.

When you see repetitive number sequences, this is a message from your guardian angels. You can ask your angels what they are trying to tell you, and if you listen in stillness, you will hear their answers clearly. Sometimes, though, if you’re stressed or in a hurry, it’s not as easy to hear your angels.

So, Angel Numbers are a shorthand code between you and your angels. In the case of 1’s, they represent the post of an energy gateway. The more 1s you see, the stronger the path is.”

Read more:

http://www.angeltherapy.com/blog/meaning-11-111-and-1111

From Uri Geller.

“If your attention has been drawn to clocks and watches at exactly
11:11, then read the following:

I started experiencing this rather bizarre occurrence when I was forty
years old, at first I thought they were coincidences, I would stand
with my back to a digital clock and something made me turn around and
I would notice that the time would be 11:11. These incidents
intensified I would be checked into hotel rooms on floor 11 room 1111.
I started noticing these digits on computers, microwave ovens, cars,
documents, etc. I decided to write about it on my website. I was
immediately inundated by hundreds of emails from all around the world.
Individuals were telling me their own 11:11 stories, almost always
saying “I thought it only happened to me”. It is difficult for me to
decipher what this is all about but my intuition tells me its
positive.”

“When I see the number 1111: I pray for sick children and world peace,
the prayer takes a moment but it’s very powerful. Please if you can do
the same I believe it helps!!!!

I believe that people who have constant contact with the 1111
phenomena have some type of a positive mission to accomplish. It is
still a mystery to me what it is that we all have to do or why are we
all being gathered and connected together, but it is very real and
tangible, I feel that it is immensely positive, almost like there is a
thinking entity sending us these physical and visual signs from the
universe. In me, it activates the power of prayer, love and
determination to some how help the world. Some day I suspect we will
find out the true meaning behind this puzzling phenomenon. It could
start happening to you too after reading my website.

String theory is said to be the theory of everything. It is a way of
describing every force and matter regardless of how large or small or
weak or strong it is. There are a few eleven’s that have been found in
string theory.

I find this to be interesting since this theory is supposed to explain
the universe! The first eleven that was noticed is that string theory
has to have 11 parallel universes (discussed in the beginning of the
“11.11” article) and without including these universes, the theory
does not work.”

Read more:

http://www.december212012.com/articles/11-11/The_11_11_phenomenon.htm

Whether or not you believe the above, I believe that a higher power is trying to get our attention.

I also believe that the message of Jesus is pure and extremely relevant to saving the world.

God works in mysterious ways.