Obama birth certificate, Natural born citizen debate, Justia Supreme Court decisions altered, Conspiracies Lies and Justiagate
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells
“The following statement at the bottom of the image placed on WhiteHouse.com, disqualifies the image as proof of being Obama’s original birth certificate: ‘or abstract.'”…Citizen Wells
“Just because something is a Conspiracy Theory does not mean it’s not true”
I did not take the Obama birth certifcate controversy too seriously until Philip J Berg and others filed lawsuits in 2008 and Obama with the help of private and USDOJ attorneys avoided presenting his records. This became a conspiracy theory, a bit of grey area subject to debate. However the following statement of Obama’s use of USDOJ attorneys in the question, which I adopted several years ago, is not a theory. It is a fact.
Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?
This is a good, simple, honest question. The American people deserve an answer.
I would like to add another statement.
The following statement at the bottom of the image placed on WhiteHouse.com, disqualifies the image as proof of being Obama’s original birth certificate: ‘or abstract.’
From American Thinker October 29, 2011.
“Conspiracies, Lies, and Justiagate”
“I have never believed in conspiracies — at least, not in the vast kind that Hillary felt the right wing deployed against her philandering husband. More often, it seems the cover-up of truth, not the circulation of manufactured untruths, lies at the root of such conspiratorial ideas.
Nor do I believe in the kinds of conspiracies seen in movies, with a “spooky dude” in a tower plotting a global takeover while ordering minions to carry out his evil intentions. Though I sometimes get carried away, especially after listening to Glenn Beck, my imagination does have its bounds.
But I do believe in the remarkable potential of a seemingly unguided force, either good or evil, consisting of great numbers of individuals doing what alone may appear insignificant — yet, when combined with the work of others moving in the same direction, all this work put together has the potential to become something very powerful. The history of our great nation is a testament to the notion of the formidable forces of good.”
“Bearing these concepts in mind, I’ve been puzzled when others refer to the “birthers” as believing in a conspiracy, while plots of planting birth announcements in local newspapers or the cover-up of a teenage girl’s 1961 trip to Kenya did seem a little over the top. When Tim Adams, a former Hawaii elections clerk, came forward and asserted that he and others in his office knew in 2008 that Obama had no birth certificate, I wondered: is it possible that others in Hawaii were also aware of this information, yet somehow resolved to keep it secret? Recall also Governor Abercrombie’s failed attempts to produce the certificate. Was he “in” on it, too?
Finally this past spring, on the heels of Donald Trump’s noisy demands and with a flourish befitting the finale of a dramatic three-year-long performance, the president presented a copy of what was purported to be his original long-form certificate. Immediately, multiple experts dissected the “layered” digital image, and arguments continue to circulate the internet as to its authenticity.
I must admit that I do find the “birther” controversy fascinating, and I have kept up with the phenomenon since its inception. A complete retelling of the whole thing, including the sometimes outlandish subplots (like Sheriff Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse”), combined with the history of the Constitution’s qualification phrase and the technicalities of law, would make for a book thicker than War and Peace and likely completely unbelievable, even if labeled fiction.
Yet even if we assume that the released certificate is legitimate, something still doesn’t feel quite right. Do all of these sensational news tidbits seem just a little too contrived, making them and the timing of their release appear rather…conspiratorial? Does a real conspiracy indeed exist, and if so, has it been clouded by all of the birth certificate hype?”
“Attorney Leo Donofrio was the first to assert the claim that Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him and also had the first eligibility case, in a long line of others, rejected for a full hearing by the Supreme Court. In his ongoing quest to prove that the founding fathers never intended to allow the commander-in-chief to have divided allegiance at birth, Donofrio recently uncovered a strange situation he calls “Justiagate,” documented in an article by Dianna Cotter.
Cotter describes Justia as an “influential legal research website,” and “since Google most often returns Justia.com’s version of the case being searched for as the first or second hit, Justia’s version of Supreme Court opinions are most influential in the blogosphere’s forums and comments.” She detailed Donofrio’s alarming discovery that at least 25 Supreme Court decisions on Justia’s database had been subjected to some sort of tampering.
It just so happens that all of the affected cases are relevant to the “natural born” citizen debate, all of the changes relate to the especially important decision of Minor v. Happersett (which contains a definition of “natural born citizen”), and all of the noted revisions occurred during the period from mid-2008 to when Donofrio’s discoveries were published.
Were the anomalies simply innocent programming errors, as Justia’s Tim Stanley asserts, or were they created intentionally, with or without direction from somewhere above?
And while “Justiagate” has been gaining in publicity in the blogosphere, preceded by the previous weeks’ renewed and related interest in the laws granting birthright citizenship surrounding the al-Awlaki killing, new headlines are screaming — and guess what about:
The birth certificate.
Donald Trump CNN Piers Morgan interview, Trump questions Obama’s birth certificate, Rick Perry strategy, CNN investigation?
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
Donald Trump was interviewed on CNN by Piers Morgan on October 26, 2011. Trump continues to question Obama’s birth certificate.
From CNN.
“During an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, the real estate mogul
said the issue would help the Texas governor in the Republican
presidential primary, but might not be “good for him in the general
election.”
Trump championed the “birther” issue during his flirtation with a bid
for the White House. President Barack Obama, who was born in Hawaii,
eventually released the long form version of the document to seemingly
combat the growing rumors.
Texas Gov. Perry recently expressed doubts about the validity of the
birth certificate.
On Wednesday, Perry told Florida’s Bay News 9 he was “just having some
fun with Donald Trump.”
But Trump continued to raise questions about the certificate, saying
Obama “might have been” born in America.
“My gut tells me a couple of things. Number 1, you know it took a long
time to produce this certificate and when it came out, as you know,
you check out the internet, many people say it is not real. Okay? It’s
a forgery,” Trump said. “And the other thing is, nobody has been able
to see the day of his birth, they had twins born, they had the other
one born. Nobody has been able to find any records that he was born in
that hospital.”
CNN released the results of its own investigation into the controversy
earlier this year. Documents and statements from numerous public
officials and childhood friends made clear that the president was born
in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”
Donald Trump Fox Greta interview, Trump not convinced of Obama’s birth certificate, Governor Rick Perry, Greta Van Susteren believes Obama
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
“The term abstract is subject to different meanings, but in a legal sense, it refers to an abbreviated history of an official record.”…USlegal.com
On October 25, 2011, Greta Van Susteren interviewed Donald Trump on his current stance on Obama’s birth certificate after Governor Rick Perry quoted Trump as still being a skeptic.
Van Susteren stated “Well, I actually — I’m convinced it’s the real deal,” Here is some of the more compelling evidence:
1. Obama has used private attorneys and USDOJ attorneys at taxpayer expense for over 3 years to prevent presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records.
2. When an image was placed on WhiteHouse.gov in April of 2011, no “chain of record” was authenticated.
3. Here is one a first year law student would question:
It states true copy or abstract.
4. Tim Adams, a election official in Honolulu in 2008 has signed an affidavit, a legal document, stating that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii in 2008.
5. Retired Major General Paul Vallely, a former Fox contributor, has had the image evaluated by document experts and ex CIA employees. He states emphatically the the image is a forgery.
What law school did Greta attend?
Interview transcript:
“VAN SUSTEREN: Donald, nice to talk to you.
DONALD TRUMP, TRUMP ORGANIZATION (Via Telephone): Hello, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: I’ve got a lot — a long list today of questions for
you, a lot of topics. Let me start with…
TRUMP: You always do, Greta. You always do.
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, this time, I wrote them all down.
TRUMP: Well, that’s good.
VAN SUSTEREN: Anyway, Governor Rick Perry said that he had dinner with
you recently and that you do not believe the president’s birth
certificate is real or not. Is the governor correct that you don’t
believe it? I thought that you were satisfied.
TRUMP: No, I’m not a major believer. I mean, I don’t know how it just
miraculously appeared, and we’ll see what happens. But I’m never —
I’ve never been a major believer. All of a sudden, after years and
years, it was produced out of nowhere. Some people have serious,
serious doubts as to its validity.
And I frankly really want to get on to much more important subjects,
although that’s a very important one because if, in fact, it’s not 100
percent, he’s not supposed to be the president of this country, which
is a pretty important fact.
But nevertheless, I want to talk about jobs. I want to talk about the
economy. I want to talk about how China and OPEC and others are
ripping us off. But I’m not a fan.
VAN SUSTEREN: I thought last April that it was finally put to rest with you?
TRUMP: No, no, never to rest. I’m at a point where I say, Look, the
country is going to hell in a handbasket, and something has to be done
about it. And we shouldn’t be talking about the birth certificate. But
people love to talk about it.
For instance, it’s your first question. I guess at a luncheon or in an
interview, Governor Perry had mentioned that I said that I’m not a big
believer, and I’m not. I mean, you know, people look at the hospital.
There are no records that his mother was ever there. There are many
other things that are really suspect.
So you know, out of — after years of Hillary wanting it and McCain
wanting it and everybody wanting it, and I put the big pressure on,
all of a sudden, it appears. And people have real questions about the
validity.
Now, I don’t want to talk about that. I want to talk about jobs. I
want to talk about how to get this country great again. But I’m not a
big fan.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Well, I actually — I’m convinced it’s the
real deal, so you know, that…
TRUMP: Well, that’s good. I’m glad you are. That’s OK. And some people
are and some people aren’t. And you know, I’m just not as easily
convinced.”
Stanley Ann Dunham Obama biographies, Obama birth mystery, The Bridge, A Singular Woman, The Other Barack, The Obamas, No hospital record of Obama’s birth in Honolulu
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed
–if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the
Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”…George Orwell, “1984″
“When you pick up your morning or evening newspaper and think
you are reading the news of the world, what you are reading
is a propaganda which has been selected, revised, and doctored
by some power which has a financial interest in you.”
…. Upton Sinclair
From World Net Daily September 7, 2011.
“The hole in Ann Dunham’s biography”
“In the last year or so respected publishers have released four biographies by mainstream authors that feature, as a central fact, the birth of President Barack Obama to his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Ann), in 1961.
Given that there has been a certain controversy about the birth, one might expect that each of the books would, if not settle the controversy, at least deal with it intelligently. None of them does.
These books include a 2010 biography of the president, “The Bridge,” by New Yorker editor David Remnick; a 2011 biography of Dunham, “A Singular Woman,” by New York Times reporter Janny Scott; a 2011 biography of Barack Obama Sr., “The Other Barack,” by Sally Jacobs of the Boston Globe; and a 2010 multi-generational biography of the Obama family, “The Obamas,” by BBC journalist Peter Firstbrook.
Clearly, if Dunham had not given birth to Obama, none of these four books would have been written. Yet the authors are shockingly mute on the subject of Dunham’s pregnancy and Obama’s birth.
University of Hawaii records show that Dunham left school at the end of January in 1961, and subsequent divorce records suggest a Maui wedding on Feb. 2. This is where the paper trial ends.
As to the Maui wedding, everyone writes with uncertainty. Jacobs says only, “The couple apparently had a quiet civil ceremony.” Scott writes that the wedding took place “reportedly on the island of Maui.” (Italics mine)
In Remnick’s account, Dunham tells no one about the wedding, but in Firstbrook’s imaginative account, the parents accompany the happy couple on the trip to Maui. As Obama has conceded, there are no wedding photos and no documents.
Jack Cashill’s literary investigation uncovers revelations galore about Obama’s alleged life narrative. Order the book “Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America’s First Post-Modern President”
After the wedding, Dunham disappears from the record. Not one of these authors provides the slightest hint of what she may have done or where she may have gone between Feb. 2 and Aug. 4 of 1961. Nada. Not a word.
All of these books were published with the eligibility controversy in full flower. The informed reader would expect the authors, especially Dunham’s biographer Scott, to at least comment on the absence of information. None does.
The reporting on Obama’s birth is, if anything, even more evasive. All four rely on the certification of live birth (COLB) first posted online in 2008 by the Daily Kos.
Since the COLB does not specify a hospital, the authors seem to have accepted Obama’s post-election claim to having been born at Kapiolani. Before the election, however, news reports routinely cited Honolulu’s Queen’s Medical Center as Obama’s birthplace.”
“As to those “officials in Hawaii,” one of them was Tim Adams, who served as the senior elections clerk for the City and County of Honolulu in the run-up to the 2008 election.
In his recently posted masters thesis, Adams repeats what he told the media in 2010 before being gagged by his university and menaced by the Obots and their media allies.
“There is no hospital record of [Obama’s] birth in Honolulu and the Hawaii Department of Health told us in the Elections Office that there was no birth certificate.”
To a person, these biographers fail to provide the kind of supporting evidence that would refute Adams’ claim, either with photos or personal testimony.”
“No matter. In the age of Obama, the media “debunkers” have turned their sights not on the powers that be but on those who would challenge those powers.
Neil Abercrombie Obama birth certificate facts, Abercrombie found no birth certificate, Exists in the archives written down
“Oh the tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”
“Birds of a feather flock together.”
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
In a review that I wrote on September 2, 2011 of John Woodman’s new book, “Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?”, I wrote the following:
“Governor Abercrombie stated that he could find no birth certifcate for Obama. Only a notation.”
Mr. Woodman responded to that statement and others that I made.
“Instead, he claims, “Governor Abercrombie stated that he could find no birth certifcate for Obama. Only a notation,” — completely ignoring the evidence that I presented in the book as to what Governor Abercrombie actually did and did not say.
We might ask Mr. Wells to provide proof of his statement, to give us a direct and verified quote from Governor Abercrombie in which the Governor specifically stated that he found no birth certificate, and that he instead only found a notation.
But he can’t, because it doesn’t exist. I’ve looked.”
The astute reader will immediately notice that I did not provide a direct quote of Abercrombie. Instead I provided an accurate representation of what Abercrombie said and did.
Here are the facts.
From a Honolulu Star Advewrtiser of Governor Abercrombie January 18, 2011.
“Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?
A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)
It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down …
…What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.”
Anyone with average reading comprehension skills and vocabulary should notice that Abercrombie states “written down” and that is one of the definitions of notation.
Next for my use of the word stated, one of the definitions of state.
State (verb): To express or present in a non verbal way.
Implied assertion: Evidence of the truth of some fact that can be inferred from some statement, behaviour, or conduct put forward as evidence in court.
Assertion: Positive statement.
To the best of my knowledge, Governor Abercrombie has not announced that he has located an original birth certificate proving Hawaiian birth for Obama.
Anyone really seeking the truth would be statisfied with the facts presented above. However, as the regulars on this blog are aware, I always try to provide as much verification as possible.
Mike Evans, a celebrity journalist, is a friend of Governor Neil Abercrombie. Evans confirms that Abercrombie could find no birth certificate for Obama. Evans then trys to backtrack, but gets caught.
From The NY Daily News January 27, 2011.
“Evans went on to tell KQRS that he talked “with Neil’s office, Neil says that he’s searched everywhere using his power as governor” at the two hospitals Obama was likely born at in 1961 – Kapiolani Medical Center and Queens Medical Center – only to come up empty.
“There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii,” Evans claimed he was told by the governor’s office. “Absolutely no proof that he was born in Hawaii… now [Abercrombie] admits, publically, that there is no birth certificate.”
Evans now says it was all a big misunderstanding.”
“But less than a month later, when it was Abercrombie’s turn to produce the long form, he turned up empty-handed, and instead offered some ambiguous lines about something “written down” that “actually exists.”
Enter a new player to the game: journalist friend of Abercrombie, Mike Evans, on the radio a few days later touting “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii — absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.” Evans backtracked after the story went national, saying he “misspoke” and had not conversed personally with Abercrombie, and that this error occurred in only one of the 34 interviews he had done that morning. Further research, however, found that Evans repeated his misstatement more than once and “appeared to be reading from a script and ad-libbing around it as he read.””
John Woodman book “Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?”, Citizen Wells analysis and review, Another messenger shooter, Woodman’s motivation
“There is an epidemic of messenger shooting in this country.”.”…Citizen Wells
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
*** UPDATE BELOW ***
Preface:
I had pretty well formulated most of what I was about to write up until a few minutes ago. I was leaning toward giving John Woodman more benefit of the doubt. However, after mulling this over for a few more minutes a disturbing trend or puzzle picture emerged. A number of things Mr. Woodman has stated, used as evidence or omitted concern me. Whether this occurred at the subsconscious level or intentional level I do not know. John Woodman has stated and the premise of his book is debunking the debunkers. He seems more concerned about doing this than arriving at the truth about Obama’s eligibility and whether or not the image placed on WhiteHouse.gov proves a Hawaiian birth for Obama. More on this at the conclusion.
My analysis:
Bold face type used below to emphasize important points.
John Woodman has written and published a book titled “Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?”. I contacted Mr. Woodman several days ago to find out more about the book and his motives for writing it. We have similar work and education backgrounds and we had a pleasant series of email exchanges. I explained my motivation to Mr. Woodman and that I would notify him when I respond. Mr. Woodman has done a good job of analyzing the PDF file and explaining his methodology.
I have well over 30 years experience in Information Technology beginning in 1968 over a broad base of software, hardware and application areas. I have extensively researched and written about Barack Obama. My only motivation is love of and concern for this country. Perhaps my knowledge of Obama, his documented pattern of lies and deception, has better prepared me to evaluate the image placed on WhiteHouse.gov with a clearer lens. With my decoder ring on Orwellian language interpret settings. Mr. Woodman stayed true to his objective of debunking the debunkers. There is no reason thus far for me to believe he had a hidden agenda. However, before I continue, my biggest overall criticism of Mr. Woodman is this. The burden of proof is on Obama. Even Little League participants are required to submit a photostatic copy of an original birth certificate. Mr. Woodman is guilty of shooting the messengers.
“Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?
I understand that John Woodman probably used that title for publishing purposes, to catch the attention of the public. However, from an objective analysis standpoint, that begins the process with an unproved assumption. And furthermore, Mr. Woodman continues with that nomenclature throughout the book. To his credit, he does mention a few times that the image may be a fraud, but the trend was already established and per Orwell, Hitler and Goebbels, the “lie” was repeated and therefore to be believed.
The correct description and one that I have adhered to when writing about it is:
Is the image placed on WhiteHouse.gov a photostatic copy of a legitimate long form birth certificate for Obama proving birth in Hawaii?
The difference between these 2 statements is crucial in determining the truth.
Why is this important?
1. An image was placed on WhiteHouse.gov with absolutely no proof of chain of document, one that with a cursory examination is highly suspect. Even if proven to have come from the Hawaii Department of Health, it may simply be an abstract.
2. The Hawaii statutes in 1961 and today allow for a birth certificate for a non Hawaiian birth.
Mr. Woodman makes the following “hasty conclusion” or over generalization on Page 205 of his book:
“How Do The Experts Score?”
“So why do the “for’s” at this point, outnumber the against’s?”
Part of the answer is that a few of the individuals in the “for” group have experience and points of view that may not be adequate for, or not quite applicable to, the task. One is a teenager; one is mostly a business owner; another is mostly a financial specialist; one is a writer of non-technical books.
Another is a typographer working with distorted fonts.”
So business owners are incapable of analysis and drawing proper conclusions? This reminds me of the classic attitude of the left and so called intellectuals.
Mr. Woodman, I am uniquely qualified to offer my analysis.
Some of Mr. Woodman’s assertions are wrong or misleading.
From Page 207:
“Dr. Corsi has publicly promoted, either in writing or on the radio, at least twenty-three evidence-of-fraud theories that we cover in this book.
In writing and speaking about his own theories as well as those of others, he has publicly identified the following as potential indicators of fraud:
the nature of the layers
alleged editing of items on the certificate
the white halo
the duplicated characters
the date stamps
the “scanner with x-ray vision
the altered PDF posted at archiveindex.com by Doug Vogt
the supposed kerning
comparison with the “African birth” forgery
the supposed lack of text curvature
the apparent lack of a seal
the alignment of Ann Dunham Obama’s signature
the supposed existence of “hidden text”
the idea that a different document exists
the out-of-sequence birth certificate number
Paul Irey’s theory of different typefaces
the supposed misspelling of the word “THE”
the supposed “smiley face” in the signature stamp
the supposed record of the forger’s initials
the supposed lack of hospital records for Mrs. Obama
the discrepancy in Barack Obama, Sr,’s age
the allegations by Tim Adams
and the idea that Governor Abercrombie had stated that no birth certificate existed.
As we have seen, not a single one of these twenty-three alleged indicators or “proofs” that the document is a fraud or invalid really holds up under close examination..
Not one.”
Semantics! If we strictly look at only the image on WhiteHouse.gov as being tampered with, then perhaps Mr. Woodman can get away with this, although it makes me question his motives. Some of the items above are certainly open to inspection and questioning. However, if our objective is to ascertain whether or not the image represents a legitimate birth certificate, then Tim Adams affidavit and Governor Abercrombie’s statements are highly relevant. And has Mr. Woodman viewed any hospital records for Stanley and little Obama?
On page 217 Mr. Woodman states:
“Also weighing against the idea of a forgery is the fact that any conspiracy would need to involve:
high officials in Hawaii state government (most likely, stretching across two gubernatorial administrations of both parties)
lower-level Department of Health staff.
probably at least one official from the White House
most likely some intelligence agency personnel
and Barack Obama himself.
As the number of people required for the conspiracy to work goes up, the likelihood of a successful conspiracy goes down.
Nonetheless, I will admit that it’s possible to believe that a fraud has been committed.”
Tim Adams, documented as having worked in the Honolulu elections office in 2008, has signed an affidavit stating that there was no birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii than and that it was common knowledge. Governor Abercrombie stated that he could find no birth certifcate for Obama. Only a notation.
Tim Adams and Governor Abercrombie may not relate to the image being a fraud, but they certainly do to Obama being one.
Mr. Woodman spends much of his efforts trying to debunk the layers and anomalies pointed out by others. He may be correct about some of his assertions. His explanation for most of this is a software program. By doing so, he is in fact proving that the image is not a photostatic copy.
He further compares the image to that of certified copies for the Nordyke twins. He states that they are from the same type of forms. However, the biggest difference between the 2 images is that the Nordyke twins certificates have a stamped seal and verbage that states:
“This certifies that the above is a true and correct copy of the original record on file.”
The WhiteHouse.com image has the following:
“I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of health.” Alvin T. Onaki, Ph.D.
Abstract: “The term abstract is subject to different meanings, but in a legal sense, it refers to an abbreviated history of an official record.”
I am not certain what Mr. Woodman is trying to prove on Page 182:
“Did Barack Obama pay $2 Million on lawyers in order to avoid releasing his long-form Birth Certificate?”
“No figure is publicly available on what part of the $2.8 million spent by Obama campaign on legal assistance has gone specifically to pay attorneys in Obama’s eligibility lawsuits.”
“Whatever the amount paid by Mr. Obama to his lawyers for his defense, then, it doesn’t appear to be anywhere approaching the amounts that have sometimes been claimed.”
The sums paid in money are enormous and debatable. However, numerous Justice Dept. attorneys at taxpayer expense have been used since early 2009. Mr. Woodman does not mention Robert Bauer, of Perkins Coie, who represented Obama in lawsuits and was hired as White House Counsel by Obama in 2009.
Page 217
“In other words, if the document is a forgery, then – far from being a sloppy one – it must have been done by an absolute professional with almost flawless attention to subtle detail.
Approaching the subject from a bit different angle, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was a rather different and remarkable young woman. Even so, upon reflection, I find it very unlikely that a white young woman of 18 years would travel by herself, in 1961, literally halfway around the world in order to have her first baby alone in East Africa.
For this reason, the circumstances of the mother weigh against the likelihood of a forgery as well.”
Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was certainly different. I am not sure how he applied logic and onjectivity to arrive at that conclusion. We still have no proof of the location of Obama’s birth. It could have been in Canada for all we know.
Page 221
“I am all for declaring Barack Obama ineligible to be President – if he really is ineligible.
But if nobody can produce hard, credible evidence that that’s the case, then Mr. Obama must be understood to legitimately be occupying the Office of President, and be recognized as the choice – for now, at least – of the American people.”
“For too long, politicians and others in our society have gotten away with bending, even twisting the truth. Some have freely profited from doing so, and often at the people’s expense.”
Mr. Woodman, the burden of proof is on Obama just as it is on the young person going out for a little league team. Only, far more important. Obama’s pattern of lies and deceit and keeping his records hidden has heightened the need for scrutiny. We have plenty of proof that Obama is ineligible and none that he is.
John Woodman gets to the bottom line.
Page 206
“I have heard people ask, “Well, if the birth certificate isn’t a fake, then why is it that not one single expert has come forward to state that it’s authentic?”
“In my personal view, a good expert should not attempt to state authoritively that a document “is authentic” without – at a minimum – full access to the original document; and in this case, the record-keeping systems.
This is something we do not have.
Since we don’t have such access, then, we are limited to forming an opinion, based on the evidence we do have.
This includes our detailed, point-by-point analysis, and it includes the relevant statements from the Hawaii Department of Health testifying as to the documents authenticity. On these things we must base our conclusions.”
Access to an original birth certificate proving Hawaiian birth has not been provided. “Relevant” statements from Hawaii officials have been hard to come by. Most of this has been manipulated by the media.
Page 216
“On the other hand, disproving the various claims of fraud cannot prove that the birth certificate is genuine.
You may recall that at the beginning of this book, I stated that a birth certificate might pass every single test we could throw at it, and still be a forgery.”
Aside from any “expert opinion” we have these facts to rely on:
Tim Adams, who is documented to have worked in the Honolulu elections office in 2008 and who signed an affidavit stating that there was no birth certificate for Obama in 2008 and that it was common knowledge. Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
Governor Neil Abercrombie stated that he could find no birth certificate for Obama, only a record of birth.
The WhiteHouse.gov image has the following certification:
“I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of health.”
The image could easily be an abstract, a collection of data permitted by Hawaii law in 1961 and today.
Conclusion:
Regardless of whether or not the image placed on WhiteHouse.gov is a fraud from the standpoint of being altered is irrelevant. The practices of Obama and his cohorts are fraudulent. He has provided absolutely no proof of Hawaiian birth. This does not supercede or diminish the other aspect of his non eligibility. He is still not eligible as a Natural Born Citizen simply because both parents were not US Citizens.
Mr. Woodman, I welcome your response and if I have misrepresented you or erred factually, please inform. But I challenge you to get out of messenger shooting mode and direct your energies toward holding Obama accountable. Your talents are welcome in that endeavor.
Wells
*** Update September 2, 2011, 7:30 PM ***
This comment was so well written it is worthy of being an addendum.
From commenter Pete:
“Citizen Wells,
No expert can verify an internet document as legitimate, but you can declare it a fraud. Hawaiian law states that public display of private records removes the Hawaiian obligation to protect them. Simply put, if Obama displays his Birth Certificate copy on the internet or on a Federal Government website, he has no right to privacy.
Here are undisputed facts:
1. The Federal Government, via the Executive Branch, has published a Document they claim is Obama’s Hawaiian BC. Not disputed.
2. There is no legal chain of Custody for the document published by the White House.
3. The DoH (Department of Health) in Hawaii REFUSED a legal subpeona to review the Document by experts in person after pre-arrangements had been made.
Obviously the Hawaian DoH has acted appropriately in this case because the information on the White House site does not match DoH records. Specifically, they are obligated to continue to protect the privacy of Obama since his actual records have not been released and seen by the public, or contain information confirming late birth registration.
Further, Judge Lambert’s recent ruling, in contrary to other national judges and Obama senate campaign (the Ryan Divorce documents) has declared that a politician has the right to privacy. That privacy must be given for certain vital records per national law, but that privacy is null and void if the individual make them public (puts on internet).
I don’t think it could be more clear that Obama has privacy laws protecting him as he has NOT released a legitimate copy of his COLB or long form Birth Certificate. What the public has seen is not what is in the record, or he wouldn’t be protected.
As Sherlock Holmes once said “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”.”
John Woodman book, Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud?, Computer guy, Market Watch article, Citizen Wells emails Woodman
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
I posted the following article at Citizen News this afternoon.
“From Market Watch Aug. 30, 2011.
“‘Tea-Party Conservative’ Refutes Claims of Obama Birth Certificate Forgery”
SPRINGFIELD, Mo., Aug. 30, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ — New book details 3-month investigation that found “no credible evidence” of fraud
“As Tea Partiers flock to hear Sarah Palin speak in Iowa this Saturday, one conservative who identifies with the movement is busy shredding the “expert claims” that President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is forged.
And John Woodman insists that what might be seen by some as odd behavior for a conservative is, in fact, completely in harmony with the Tea Party’s “Restoring America” theme.
“I didn’t set out to disprove the forgery claims,” he says. “I set out to discover the truth. And truth, even when some may find it inconvenient, is definitely one of the values we need to preserve and restore in our society.”
In this case, unraveling the truth took Woodman, a computer professional with 20 years’ experience, a full 3 months of careful investigation. He meticulously researched more than 30 different claims of evidence that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate is forged – and ended up dismissing them all.
“There are certainly a lot of odd and interesting things about the birth certificate,” he says. “But in spite of what you’ve heard, not one of them amounts to credible evidence that it’s a fraud.”
A related survey by Mr. Woodman suggests at least two-thirds of Americans have heard the rumors that President Obama’s birth certificate – publicly released by the White House in the form of a computer PDF file – is an obvious and proven forgery. And those claims have been backed up by an entire panel of experts showcased by conservative website WorldNetDaily. But Woodman says that all of “their experts” are wrong – and that his detailed analysis proves it.
The full story of the investigation is being released nationwide today in a 221-page book titled Is Barack Obama’s Birth Certificate a Fraud? A Computer Guy Examines the Evidence for Forgery. The book, with more than 70 illustrations, is available through Amazon and other major outlets, in both paperback and e-book formats.
Woodman says his investigation also reveals mysteries about the birth certificate not talked about anywhere else: “In about 20 different instances, I’ve presented information that is either entirely new, or very little known until now.”
But is he worried that WorldNetDaily’s panel of experts will be able to counter his analysis?
“I’m always willing to be proven wrong. But I’d say they’re the ones who are now going to have to backtrack,” he replies. “So it will be interesting to see what happens from here.”
I have over 30 years experience in IT including OCR and a strong technical background. I sent John Woodman the following email a few minutes ago:
“Hi John.
I do not know you & I do not know what your motives are.
However, before I potentially “let you have it,”
how do you account for the following:
1. No chain of document.
2. I assume you have not seen the original.
3. It is clearly not a photostatic copy of an original HI long form
birth certificate.
There is plenty more.
Do you wish to respond before I put an article up?
Or debate?
Let me know.
Thanks.”
I have engaged in a rather extensive email exchange with John Woodman since posting that article. I will be evaluating what he has written and responding soon. Mr. Woodman has welcomed my scrutiny of his research.
Congressman Bob Goodlatte on Obama birth certificate, Concerns have been raised with relevant oversight committees, Howard Coble’s office informed, Action required
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
I recently questioned General Colin Powell’s patriotism and asked if he is a traitor. Despite overwhelming evidence that Obama has not presented a legitimate birth certificate and in fact has taken part in a conspiracy to deceive the American people by presenting a fraudulent image on WhiteHouse.gov, General Powell covers for Obama, a usurper.
I certainly will not refrain from questioning members of Congress.
Congressman Howard Coble of NC and his office have been informed of the Obama eligibility issues as well as ties to Chicago corruption. I will be following up with them shortly.
Congressman Bob Goodlatte of Virginia has exhibited a concern for upholding the US Constitution and has cosponsored a presidential eligibility bill.
From the Bob Goodlatte Biography:
“Bob Goodlatte began his tenth term representing the Sixth Congressional District of Virginia in 2011.
Bob’s service to the people of the Sixth District began in 1977 when he became District Director for former Congressman Caldwell Butler. He served in this position for two years until 1979, and was responsible for helping folks across the District seeking assistance with or encountering problems from various federal agencies. In 1979, he founded his own private law practice in Roanoke. He was a partner in the law firm of Bird, Kinder and Huffman, working there from 1981 until taking office.
In January 2011, Bob was elected to serve as the Chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Competition, and the Internet. This Committee will be at the forefront of some of the most significant issues of our day. The jurisdiction of the subcommittee includes copyright, patent, trademark law, the Internet and information technology, innovation issues and antitrust matters. Additionally, Bob serves on the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security.
Bob has been an active member of the House Judiciary Committee since arriving in Congress. The jurisdiction of the Judiciary Committee is well-suited to many of Bob’s legislative priorities such as protecting Constitutional rights including private property and Second Amendment rights, securing our borders through immigration reform, strengthening our criminal laws, decreasing health care costs through medical malpractice reform and oversight of the Judicial branch. One of Bob’s top legislative initiatives is his Constitutional amendment to require a balanced federal budget so that Congress will be forced to control spending. The Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over all proposed amendments to the Constitution.”
“Under a rule proposed by Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-Va.), the U.S. Constitution will be read in Congress on Jan. 6. While it isn’t a bad idea, it seems a little like reading the Ten Commandments to an adulterer caught stealing his neighbor’s ox on the Sabbath.
The problem isn’t that members of Congress don’t know what’s in the Constitution (some probably don’t) but that they don’t care.
Any member of Congress who hasn’t already read the Constitution carefully is pathetic, but Washington is full of pathetic politicians. We shouldn’t be surprised. America is full of voters who haven’t read the Constitution, either. Until “we the people” take an interest in the document, we’ll continue to elect men and women who feel free to ignore it.”
“JUDICIARY COMMITTEE PASSES GOODLATTE BILLS TO PROTECT OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AND STRENGTHEN OUR LAWS AGAINST IDENTITY THEFT”
“July 21, 2011 4:35 PM The Judiciary Committee passed two separate bills introduced by Congressman Bob Goodlatte.”
“The House Judiciary Committee also passed H.R. 2552, the Identity Theft Improvement Act, legislation introduced by Congressman Goodlatte. This bipartisan legislation will strengthen the federal criminal laws punishing identity theft.”
“Goodlatte continued, Identity theft occurs when someone intentionally and unlawfully uses identity documents that are not his own. Our federal statutes should reflect this reality. My legislation will provide the clarification needed to help prosecutors put identity thieves behind bars and will help safeguard American citizens from identity-related crimes.”
Congressman Bob Goodlatte was a cosponsor of H.R.1503, Presidential Eligibility Act.
“Official Summary
3/12/2009–Introduced.
Amends the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the Office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.”
From From The Trenches World report June 24, 2011.
“Obama’s Phony Birth Certificate – Congressman Bob Goodlatte Acknowledges Problems – Now What?”
“Could it be that members of Congress are finally reacting to possibly one of the largest frauds in the history of America? Patriotic Americans, be assured that at least one member of Congress cares enough about the Constitution of the United States, to at least acknowledge a problem with Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama’s birth certificate nightmare, not to mention the legality of his social security number.
It has taken until now to finally receive some reasonable feedback from a member of Congress to at least acknowledge there is a problem. Hopefully, as more evidence continues to flood members of Congress, the appropriate oversight committees will spring into action. How soon these people will actually move is another story, as the implications will be enormous.
At least there is some communication from Congress acknowledging the problem so many patriotic Americans are questioning. Surprisingly, we read in the letter that there is no official agency that verifies the president-elects eligibility, something that I find unconscionable, as this American president has presided over some of the worst times in recent history.
A constituent received this letter from Congressman Goodlatte:
“Dear Mr. Haskins:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the recent release of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. It is good to hear from you.
As you know, the Constitution establishes the qualifications of President of the United States. Only a natural born citizen, at least 35 years of age, and having resided in the United States for at least 14 years is eligible for the Office of President.
A President-elect’s eligibility has traditionally been verified by public record and vetting done by the parties. It is crucial that any President-elect meet the eligibility criteria as determined by the U.S. Constitution and provide the necessary assurances of eligibility.
Currently, there is no office or agency that certifies a President-elect’s eligibility for the office. However, I believe that there should be a more formal process of review and validation as a matter of routine certification of candidates. The Office of the Presidency is undermined if Americans don’t have confidence that the candidates for the highest office in the land are qualified for the position as required by the Constitution.
As you know, President Obama recently released to the public the long-form version of his birth certificate. Since then, concerns have been raised about the validity of the birth certificate as well as the claim that the President has been using a Social Security Number previously issued to another person. These concerns have been raised with the relevant oversight committees in the Congress and if there is enough evidence and more experts reach the same conclusions then these claims will lead to an investigation.
During the last Congress I co-sponsored legislation which would require the principal campaign committee of any candidate for election to the Office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate and any other documentation necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution. This legislation would ensure that proof of eligibility is provided by candidates before each Presidential election.
While the issue of eligibility has come up in past elections, including whether Chester Arthur (our 20th President succeeding to the office upon the death of James Garfield) was born in the U. S. or Canada, never has the issue arisen as to the eligibility of both major party candidates as it did in 2008 with regard to both John McCain and Barack Obama. The public discussion, controversy, uncertainty and the undermining of the Presidency can all be avoided by a routine requirement that future candidates establish their eligibility under the Constitution.
The United States is a nation based on the rule of law. The Constitution clearly sets forth the qualifications for the Office of President, Members of the House and Senate, and members of the federal Judiciary. Any circumvention of these Constitutional requirements would be a slap in the face to the rule of law and our very Democracy. I believe that our Constitution is a solemn contract between the American people and their government. I will continue to work to ensure its terms are adhered to by all elected and appointed government officials.
Again, thanks for the benefit of your comments. Please feel free to contact me whenever I may be of assistance.
“As you know, President Obama recently released to the public the long-form version of his birth certificate. Since then, concerns have been raised about the validity of the birth certificate as well as the claim that the President has been using a Social Security Number previously issued to another person. These concerns have been raised with the relevant oversight committees in the Congress and if there is enough evidence and more experts reach the same conclusions then these claims will lead to an investigation.”
I will be following up on this statement to determine what the status of the “relevant oversight committees” is.
Hawaii officials must explain Obama birth certificate, District Court Magistrate Judge Richard L. Puglisi, Why Orly Taitz prevented from seeing 1961 documents
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
From World Net Daily August 9, 2011.
“Court tells Hawaii officials to explain Obama’s birth records”
“California attorney Orly Taitz today secured an order from United States District Court Magistrate Judge Richard L. Puglisi demanding representatives of the Hawaii Department of Health appear in federal court Sept. 14 to show why Taitz should be prevented from seeing whatever original 1961 documents the agency has on record regarding Barack Obama’s birth.
Taitz returned to federal court in Honolulu today after Hawaii DOH officials presented her with a letter refusing to comply with her subpoena on grounds that Hawaii privacy laws prevented officials from releasing Obama birth records to the public.
“It’s ridiculous,” Taitz told WND.
She had argued previously – without getting a response from the state – that Obama had waived all privacy rights by releasing his long-form birth certificate to the American public at a White House press conference April 27.
Get the New York Times best-seller “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President,” by Jerome Corsi.
The ExParte Emergency Motion for Order to Show Cause and to Compel Attendance for Production of Documents that Taitz filed with the federal magistrate asked the court to demand Hawaii DOH head Loretta Fuddy appear in court to explain why she would not comply with the subpoena.
“Getting a federal judge to demand Fuddy’s attendance at a show-cause hearing is a victory,” Taitz said. “I will return to Hawaii on Sept. 14 and I expect then to be able to force the Hawaii DOH to turn over the relevant records as demanded by the subpoena.”
Taitz arrived in Hawaii Sunday evening to present the subpoena in person at the Hawaii DOH offices in Honolulu at 10 a.m. today.”
Obama natural born citizen?, Obama born in Kenya?, Howard Coble and Congress must investigate, Obama birth certificate fraudulent
“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense, to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
Why did multiple news sources before and during 2008 state that Obama was born in Kenya?…Citizen Wells
Beginning in 2007, proceeding into 2008 and to this day, Barack Obama has been asked to present a legitimate certified copy of his birth certificate and he has not done so. The image placed on WhiteHouse.gov has been proven to be fraudulent. Where was Obama born? We do not know.
By the time that the Tony Rezko trial took place in early to mid 2008, I began hearing rumors that Obama was born in Kenya. After several months evidence began appearing that confirmed that Obama was born in Kenya. Then we found out that some of that evidence had been altered or scrubbed.
The first Citizen Wells article questioning Obama’s birthplace was presented on June 10, 2008. That article has received 89,057 views.
“Obama has been asked repeatedly to present a copy of his birth
certificate. Obama has refused to supply a copy of his birth
certificate. Is Obama eligible to be president?
Was Obama born in Kenya? I have two powerful sources that indicate
that Obama was born on Kenya. One is a reporter working behind the
scenes. The other is from the following site. The headline is shown
below and states:
“Kenyan-born OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination.””
The USA Africa Online article quoted above originally had this caption.
This was not the only reference to Obama being Kenyan that existed. From The Sunday Standard June 27, 2004.
Here is some more information on this story from the Post & Email October 14, 2009.
“2004 PIECE DISTRIBUTED WORLD-WIDE PUTS FOCUS ON TIMELINE OF CLAIMS
And 2008 AP Story Repeats the Claim!
UPDATE: Federal Court requested to investigate AP Story
UPDATE Nov. 21, 2009: See our reply to the Snopes.com article rebutting this story.
by John Charlton
(Oct. 14, 2009) — What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.
How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office. Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources (ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case), the inference seems inescapable: Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.
The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama: because if you search for “Kenyan-born US Senate” you wont find it, but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.”
I received the following email from CDR Charles Kerchner at 2:17 AM ET
on October 16, 2009.
“Since you are all covering this newly released/discovered webpage for
the June 27, 2004 article in your news sites and blogs, and that the
Obots are immediately labeling it a fake, I thought I’d share with you
a video recorded by a volunteer research on July 9th, 2009 showing the
documentation of the existence of the article’s page being found on
the net early this year, but contents scrubbed … but then in early
July the volunteer researcher found two copies in TWO (2) Way Back
Time Machine process archives servers at two locations in the world.
The second system has not been revealed as of this time before, as of
yet that I know of, while the first one was found and revealed by
someone yesterday. This video evidence we had been saving is hereby
being shown to you for news release via an attached video piece done
by the researcher that shows that the June 27th, 2004 article found is
not fake and existed on the net for quite some time and copies of the
article were inventoried and were still in the Way Back Time Machine
at two separate sites in the world on 9 July 2009.”
To:
Congressman Howard Coble,
Members of Congress
Here is what we know:
Obama has not released a legitimate certified copy of his birth certificate.
Obama has employed private attorneys and US Justice Department attorneys at taxpayer expense for 3 years to avoid presenting a birth certificate and college records.
The image place on WhiteHouse.gov, purporting to be Obama’s birth certificate, is clearly fraudulent.
We do not know where Obama was born.
Based on the evidence, why should we believe that Obama was not born in Kenya.
I am demanding an immediate investigation by Congress.
I believe that I speak for millions of concerned Americans.
Citizen WElls 