Obama birth certificate, Natural born citizen debate, Justia Supreme Court decisions altered, Conspiracies Lies and Justiagate

Obama birth certificate, Natural born citizen debate, Justia Supreme Court decisions altered, Conspiracies Lies and Justiagate

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“The following statement at the bottom of the image placed on WhiteHouse.com, disqualifies the image as proof of being Obama’s original birth certificate: ‘or abstract.'”…Citizen Wells

“Just because something is a Conspiracy Theory does not mean it’s not true”

I did not take the Obama birth certifcate controversy too seriously until Philip J Berg and others filed lawsuits in 2008 and Obama with the help of private and USDOJ attorneys avoided presenting his records. This became a conspiracy theory, a bit of grey area subject to debate. However the following statement of Obama’s use of USDOJ attorneys in the question, which I adopted several years ago, is not a theory. It is a fact.

Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?

This is a good, simple, honest question. The American people deserve an answer.

I would like to add another statement.

The following statement at the bottom of the image placed on WhiteHouse.com, disqualifies the image as proof of being Obama’s original birth certificate: ‘or abstract.’

From American Thinker October 29, 2011.

“Conspiracies, Lies, and Justiagate”

“I have never believed in conspiracies — at least, not in the vast kind that Hillary felt the right wing deployed against her philandering husband.  More often, it seems the cover-up of truth, not the circulation of manufactured untruths, lies at the root of such conspiratorial ideas.
Nor do I believe in the kinds of conspiracies seen in movies, with a “spooky dude” in a tower plotting a global takeover while ordering minions to carry out his evil intentions.  Though I sometimes get carried away, especially after listening to Glenn Beck, my imagination does have its bounds.
But I do believe in the remarkable potential of a seemingly unguided force, either good or evil, consisting of great numbers of individuals doing what alone may appear insignificant — yet, when combined with the work of others moving in the same direction, all this work put together has the potential to become something very powerful.  The history of our great nation is a testament to the notion of the formidable forces of good.”

“Bearing these concepts in mind, I’ve been puzzled when others refer to the “birthers” as believing in a conspiracy, while plots of planting birth announcements in local newspapers or the cover-up of a teenage girl’s 1961 trip to Kenya did seem a little over the top.  When Tim Adams, a former Hawaii elections clerk, came forward and asserted that he and others in his office knew in 2008 that Obama had no birth certificate, I wondered: is it possible that others in Hawaii were also aware of this information, yet somehow resolved to keep it secret?  Recall also Governor Abercrombie’s failed attempts to produce the certificate.  Was he “in” on it, too?
Finally this past spring, on the heels of Donald Trump’s noisy demands and with a flourish befitting the finale of a dramatic three-year-long performance, the president presented a copy of what was purported to be his original long-form certificate.  Immediately, multiple experts dissected the “layered” digital image, and arguments continue to circulate the internet as to its authenticity.
I must admit that I do find the “birther” controversy fascinating, and I have kept up with the phenomenon since its inception.  A complete retelling of the whole thing, including the sometimes outlandish subplots (like Sheriff Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse”), combined with the history of the Constitution’s qualification phrase and the technicalities of law, would make for a book thicker than War and Peace and likely completely unbelievable, even if labeled fiction.
Yet even if we assume that the released certificate is legitimate, something still doesn’t feel quite right.  Do all of these sensational news tidbits seem just a little too contrived, making them and the timing of their release appear rather…conspiratorial?  Does a real conspiracy indeed exist, and if so, has it been clouded by all of the birth certificate hype?”

“Attorney Leo Donofrio was the first to assert the claim that Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him and also had the first eligibility case, in a long line of others, rejected for a full hearing by the Supreme Court.  In his ongoing quest to prove that the founding fathers never intended to allow the commander-in-chief to have divided allegiance at birth, Donofrio recently uncovered a strange situation he calls “Justiagate,” documented in an article by Dianna Cotter.
Cotter describes Justia as an “influential legal research website,” and “since Google most often returns Justia.com’s version of the case being searched for as the first or second hit, Justia’s version of Supreme Court opinions are most influential in the blogosphere’s forums and comments.”  She detailed Donofrio’s alarming discovery that at least 25 Supreme Court decisions on Justia’s database had been subjected to some sort of tampering.
It just so happens that all of the affected cases are relevant to the “natural born” citizen debate, all of the changes relate to the especially important decision of Minor v. Happersett (which contains a definition of “natural born citizen”), and all of the noted revisions occurred during the period from mid-2008 to when Donofrio’s discoveries were published.
Were the anomalies simply innocent programming errors, as Justia’s Tim Stanley asserts, or were they created intentionally, with or without direction from somewhere above?
And while “Justiagate” has been gaining in publicity in the blogosphere, preceded by the previous weeks’ renewed and related interest in the laws granting birthright citizenship surrounding the al-Awlaki killing, new headlines are screaming — and guess what about:
The birth certificate.

Again.  And again.  And again.
Conspiracy?

Pass the popcorn.”

Read more:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/conspiracies_lies_and_justiagate.html

 

Thanks to commenter Pat 1789.

51 responses to “Obama birth certificate, Natural born citizen debate, Justia Supreme Court decisions altered, Conspiracies Lies and Justiagate

  1. Herman Cain’s recent actions are perfect examples of the differences between Libertarians and Conservatives. Don’t get me wrong. I wanted Cain to do well. When he announced, I was cheering loudly through my whole house during his speech. My family thought I was crazy.

    However, when Mr. Cain said recently on CNN that he’s against abortion, but won’t do anything as President to interfere with a woman’s right to choose, that’s straight out of the liberal and libertarian playbook. Libertarians want personal choice. They are all about personal freedom. Conservatives want responsibility in personal behavior. When Herman Cain allowed someone to smoke in his recent ad, he again said, he’s against smoking, but wouldn’t interfere with his campaign manager’s personal choice to smoke, where as conservatives would have advocated for personal responsibility and non- smoking.

    Therefore, I’m more inclined to believe that Herman Cain’s very long statement on CNN was not a gaff. He didn’t slip up one word and then correct himself. He stated his position for several minutes over and over again on CNN. He would not interfere as President with a woman’s right to choose, even though, he disagrees with abortion.

    Personal choice is more in line with the liberatarian views Cain supports. Cain’s view on this is not the conservative stance which is why conservatives and libertarians don’t always agree and why Herman Cain is now making me nervous if he wants to be the nominee of the GOP. Newt, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum are all more credible now on the issue of abortion than Cain is, in my opinion. However, Perry is the worst debater in the field of candidates so that’s a problem if Perry is the nominee in going against Obama.

  2. Tina,
    How little, as a people, have we become when we allow the debate on abortion to distract us from those forces whom have declared war on the Constitution? The Constitution dies, and even the debate about the debate on abortion dies with it. Now is the time to consider Country before party or policy, before our enemies swallow freedom whole. There is no god in socialism or communism, only control and slavery.

    Pete

  3. Well said Pete.and by the way you hit the nail squarely upon it’s head. Indeed we need to act to save the country FIRST then if time permits go after the ISSUES and those who support Unconstitutional issues. I might add also go after the legistators who write law that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

  4. The hits just keep coming from OWS, too many to post. This one’s a gem. The Alynskyites are Alynskied by Pro Chicom Nutter. LMAO
    Warning bad language!

  5. Of course we worry about the Constitutional guys, but who says Cain is the only candidate? Secondly, do you really want to pay higher federal sales taxes under his plan? Most conservatives do not. If you want to pay higher taxes, why even be a conservative? It’s Econ 101 when you raise taxes, folks buy less. So under Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, we’d have higher sales taxes, less buying of US products and goods which will put us in an ever deeper recessesion than we have now.

  6. Just for the record I personally think that NOBODY has the right to decide whether another person lives or dies. This is something which is best left to a court of law to decide. I wouls also include a woman who is carring a child. That child IS ANOTHER PERSON, and the MOTHER should NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO intervene in the unborn child’s life. Life begins at conception, not at birth. Birth is only a change of state for the infant. It goes from being alive and umbilically SUPPORTED by the mother to alive, and umbilically UNSUPPORTED by the mother. It is ANOTHER PERSON at conception.(IE) when the egg is fertilised by the sperm. Right wrong ,or indifferent that is my own viewpoint. Sorry Tina if this contradicts your beliefs. Not intended to offend.

  7. What is Cain trying to do with the 9% federal sales tax? Has anyone read his plan? Cain wants to encourage the use of used goods so he taxes new goods at 9%. I don’t want used goods, do you? Also, this is a value added tax. That means everyone builds in the price of the tax and we get inflation plus a recession. So let’s say a farmer sells his milk to a wholesaler. The wholesaler pays a 9% sales tax and passes that on in increased prices to the retail grocery store who pays a 9% sales tax who passes that on in increased prices to you and me. I like Cain’s personality and his ability to talk straight. I’m not sure I like the details of his plans.

  8. Tina, I heard Herman Cain flatly deny that his sales tax is a value-added tax. From what I understand it is a one-time tax imposed at the time of ultimate sale to the consumer.

    As far as abortion is concerned, you will seldom find someone more pro-life than I am – have been since Roe v. Wade. It is our national sin – our holocaust – and I personally believe that God will hold us responsible for the annihilation of tens of millions of the most helpless among us.

    Having said that, to nitpick on Herman Cain because of an interview with a very liberal person on CNN who was trying to trap him, is, in my opinion, unfair and unreasonable. Cain has since made his position on abortion very clear, and I believe him. In the interview he was trying to make it clear that the president doesn’t have the authority to step in and stop an abortion. Cain is exactly right. What authority do you think the president has, except the bully pulpit? You are incorrect to equate that with the philosophy of libertarians.

  9. Okay, Cabby. Let’s take your view for the sake of the debate. If you are not going to stop a woman’s abortion, why then vote for a conservative president to put conservative justices on the US Supreme court? That’s the whole point. That’s been the crux of the GOP since Reagan and the moral majority. Clinton and Obama have also both said they are against abortions, but won’t stop them. How is that different than what you just said Cain believes?

    And the federal sales tax is an additional tax no matter which way you look at it. If you increases taxes or prices, people buy less which creates a deep recession and we’re already in a downturn. Cain says in his plan he won’t tax used goods so people should buy used goods to avoid his sales tax. I don’t want to use hand me down clothes so I don’t pay taxes. That’s what we were doing in the depression. People won’t feel America’s best days are ahead if we’re all running around wearing used shoes and clothing.

  10. I don’t know about you, but this blog seems to have turned things upside down. Yesterday, people were accusing me of being too liberal. Now it’s the Cain supporters who are advocating a women’s right to have abortions, even if they are personally against abortions themselves. Who are the liberals now? And the Cain supporters want to pay more taxes. Go figure.

  11. With his 9% national sales tax idea, I believe Cain, in part, is trying to capture at least some federal revenue from the 20+ million illegal aliens in the country.

  12. oldsalt79,
    I would add Best left to God and then courts abiding by the law.

  13. Bankroller, I agree that is the justification for Cain’s 9% sales tax. But the downside, is the decreased consumption of products, which he admits will happen, and a decreased comsumption of products will lead to economic downturns. Bachmann was right on this. The devil is in the details.

  14. CW……………
    You are right. I should have included God in my comment. Hope that it didn’t offend anybody but as I stated it is how I see it.

  15. Okay. Let me take a different track. I previously said that since Cain is now for a women’s personal choice to have an abortion and won’t stop abortions, Romney doesn’t look so bad. Let me also say, Rick Santorum doesn’t look so bad. Rick Santorum is a conservative who has always been a conservative. He is pro America, pro military and pro Israel. He’s against abortion and his plan is a 0% tax on corporations who bring manufacturing jobs back to America. He’s smart, he’s a family man, he’s a good Christian and he’s a good debater. Why don’t people like him?

  16. “ERIC JANSZEN: WE ARE WITNESSING THE DEATH OF THE DOLLAR”

    Submitted by Adam Taggart of Chris Martenson.com
    October 29, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “What do you get when the producer of the world’s reserve currency takes on too much debt? Nothing less than the end of the US Treasury-based monetary system.

    So says Eric Jansen, economic and financial market analyst and proprietor of iTulip.com. In chronicling the decline of the global economy over the past decade, Eric has formulated a framework called the “Ka-POOM” theory, which endeavors to understand how the immense run-up in global debt will be resolved.

    In short, it looks at the at the credit bubble that began in the early 1980′s, started accelerating in 1995, and has now reached epic proportions. The amounts are so staggering at this stage that Eric believes it is too politically undesirable to let natural market adjustments clear them away – the magnitude of the deflationary pain this would create is simply unacceptable for politicians looking to get re-elected. The only other available option left is to service these debts via a dramatically devalued currency. Hence the key role the Fed is playing today.”

    […]

    “After several decades of being net sellers, the world’s central banks became net buyers of gold in the second quarter of 2009. As Eric puts it:

    There was no plan B in the global monetary system when it switched over to the US Dollar reserve basis for global monetary reserves. The only fallback is gold. Gold is the only reserve asset that central banks hold other than dollars and to some extent euros – but it is mostly gold. So gold is the fallback. What I thought was going to happen is that, over time gradually, that there would be an increase at some point in gold holdings by central banks as they hedged the marginal increase and the number of Treasury bonds that they needed to hold as a result of conducting trade with the US and also simply maintaining the US economy through low interest rates and providing sufficient investment to continue to offer the US government.

    What is very interesting to me is starting in the second quarter of 2009, right after the financial crisis is when global central banks became net buyers of gold which to me indicated that they had as a group, determined that it was time to more seriously hedge their dollar assets, even as they continue to buy Treasury bonds to increase their hedging.

    Before that there were effectively two teams, there were the buyers who were countries like India and Russia and China, and the sellers which are most of your European countries and that structure of the gold market occurred and was maintained until the second quarter of 2009 and it shifted to a much broader base increase in the number of governments participating in the gold market including Saudi Arabia, Mexico and other allies of the United States.

    Eric sees this move by central banks of positioning themselves closer to the door as a natural step to the inevitable endgame here, which is the dissolution of the US Treasury dollar-based monetary system. Due to entrenched special interests, politics, escalating commodity scarcity, and other factors – he does not see the US taking necessary corrective action before confidence in the solvency of the US and its currency collapses.”

    Read More Here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/eric-janszen-we-are-witnessing-the-death-of-the-dollar.html

    * * * *

    “10 SIGNS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ANGRIER THAN EVER”

    “And Record Setting Government Transfer Payments Are Not Pacifying Them”

    The American Dream
    October 29, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “Right now, about the only things that the American people can agree on is that they are angry and that they do not like the direction that this country is headed. Of course a lot of this is being caused by the economy. Unemployment is rampant, millions of families have been kicked out of their homes and our country is drowning in debt. But the economy is not the only cause of what is happening. There is a growing restlessness in America today. An increasing number of people feel very empty and very frustrated. We still have a very high standard of living compared to the rest of the world, and yet there is this growing sense that our country is right on the verge of something really bad. The very fabric of our society is coming apart at the seams and the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted is beginning to disappear. You can almost feel the fear in the air.

    One thing that the federal government has tried to do to keep everything under control is to shovel giant piles of money into the pockets of the American people. Today, government transfer payments as a percentage of GDP are far higher than they have ever been before in all of U.S. history. If you doubt this, just check outthis chart. But even with the federal government showering crazy amounts of money on people, anger and frustration in this country continue to grow to unprecedented levels.

    This year the American people will be getting back more money from the government than they are paying to the government in taxes. That is not anywhere close to sustainable, but what would this country look like if welfare payments and government benefits were cut back substantially?

    That is a scary thing to think about.

    This country is rapidly changing, and not for the better.

    The following are 10 signs that the American people are angrier than ever….”

    Read More Here: http://www.prisonplanet.com/10-signs-that-the-american-people-are-angrier-than-ever.html

  17. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

    from Chris Strunk, author of a number of eligibility and elections law suits

    Posted on | October 28, 2011 | No Comments

    Christopher Strunk to me
    show details Oct 27 (1 day ago)

    You summed it up VERY well in your article. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=26948&cpage=1

    WASTE OF TIME! Whoever the attorney is NOT properly advising the clients.

    Best regards

    Chris Strunk

  18. “SHERIFF JOE PREDICTS OBMA INVESTIGATION TO BE A “SHOCK”

    ‘THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS … THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT EXCITING'”

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WND
    October 26, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “The results of a formal law-enforcement investigation into whether Barack Obama is eligible to be president of the United States could come as a “shock,” according to Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    Tuesday night, speaking to a tea-party group in Arizona, Arpaio said, “I can’t tell you everything, but there could be a shock there somewhere that my guys came up with. I can’t talk too much about it. It’s in the process.”

    Read More Here: “Sheriff Joe Predicts Obama Investigation To Be A ‘Shock'” http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=360645#ixzz1cCRJnoPp

    * * * *

    They will find out that: (1) The man who wants to be called by the name “Barack Hussein Obama II, the president and commander-in-chief of the USA is not currently a legal USA citizen, and he has never held or possessed any legal USA citizenship of any kind in his life, at any time in his life whatsoever. (2) “Barack Hussein Obama II” was not his birth name, and it is not his current legal name. (3) The Foreign-Born Domestic Terrorist Usurper sitting in the People’s House, Our White House was 100% Truthfully & 100% Factually NOT Born in ANY of the 50 States in the USA, nor in ANY of the legal territories of the USA. (4) He was Foreign-Born to TWO FOREIGN CITIZEN PARENTS at the time he was conceived. (5) His foreign birth parents never became USA citizens at any time during their lives. I know more about what Lord Jesus Christ told me in warnings of God about the Foreign-Born Domestic Enemy Terrorist who is illegally & criminally sitting in Our People’s House, and who is working to destroy souls and to destroy and overthrow the USA government, and he must be legally arrested and legally held accountable for the massive crimes he is committing on the earth against God and humanity.

  19. “BARACK OBAMA’S ALLEGIANCE IS NOT TO AMERICA AND GOD, BUT TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND SATAN”

    Saman Mohammadi
    The Excavator
    October 29, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “It is hard to pierce the psychology of psychopathic rulers and politicians without having some understanding of their philosophy towards life. Our civilization would be better served if the belief system of politicians was discussed on the campaign trail and on television. We would all be in for some stomach-turning surprises.

    It is a well understood fact that a number of high-level Iranian politicians believe in the coming of the Mahdi. President Ahmadinejad and his closest advisers produced a documentary for senior government officials that showcased their belief in Islamic end times prophecy. Watch the documentary with English subtitles here.”

    * * *

    “And forget politicians’ tax records, the public needs to know their mental health records to find out how their brain works. If they are clinically insane then that fact alone will mean the end of the current political system because it is obviously broken and demonic.

    If it is shown that high-level politicians lack basic social qualities like empathy and they show signs of psychopathy and mental illness then they must be taken to mental institutions.

    Currently, American political psychopaths are voted into the Congress and the White House by millions of naive and gullible people.

    This is not just a problem in America. Every modern society seems to be under the horrific hypnosis of political and religious power in the hands of totalitarian myth makers who are members of secret societies.

    Another question we should be asking is who is more mentally sick? The blind sheepish believer that is the modern voter, or the arrogant psychopathic deceiver that is the modern politician?

    Both are obviously made for each other.”

    […]

    “II. Reign of The Luciferian Psychopaths

    To get a glimpse into the nature of psychopathy and psychopathic political leaders, read the following articles:

    The Trick of the Psychopath’s Trade: Make Us Believe that Evil Comes from Others
    Ponerology 101: The Political Psychopath
    Truth to Power: Psychopaths Rule Our World
    Ponerology 101: Psychopathy at Nuremburg
    The Psychopath: A New Subspecies of Homo Sapiens ”

    Read More Here: http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-allegiance-is-not-to-america-and-god-but-to-the-new-world-order-and-satan/

    Read More Here:

  20. “BARACK OBAMA’S ALLEGIANCE IS NOT TO AMERICA AND GOD, BUT TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND SATAN”

    Saman Mohammadi
    The Excavator
    October 29, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “It is hard to pierce the psychology of psychopathic rulers and politicians without having some understanding of their philosophy towards life. Our civilization would be better served if the belief system of politicians was discussed on the campaign trail and on television. We would all be in for some stomach-turning surprises.

    It is a well understood fact that a number of high-level Iranian politicians believe in the coming of the Mahdi. President Ahmadinejad and his closest advisers produced a documentary for senior government officials that showcased their belief in Islamic end times prophecy. Watch the documentary with English subtitles here.”

    * * *

    “And forget politicians’ tax records, the public needs to know their mental health records to find out how their brain works. If they are clinically insane then that fact alone will mean the end of the current political system because it is obviously broken and demonic.

    If it is shown that high-level politicians lack basic social qualities like empathy and they show signs of psychopathy and mental illness then they must be taken to mental institutions.

    Currently, American political psychopaths are voted into the Congress and the White House by millions of naive and gullible people.

    This is not just a problem in America. Every modern society seems to be under the horrific hypnosis of political and religious power in the hands of totalitarian myth makers who are members of secret societies.

    Another question we should be asking is who is more mentally sick? The blind sheepish believer that is the modern voter, or the arrogant psychopathic deceiver that is the modern politician?

    Both are obviously made for each other.”

    […]

    “II. Reign of The Luciferian Psychopaths

    To get a glimpse into the nature of psychopathy and psychopathic political leaders, read the following articles:

    The Trick of the Psychopath’s Trade: Make Us Believe that Evil Comes from Others
    Ponerology 101: The Political Psychopath
    Truth to Power: Psychopaths Rule Our World
    Ponerology 101: Psychopathy at Nuremburg
    The Psychopath: A New Subspecies of Homo Sapiens ”

    Read More Here: http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama%e2%80%99s-allegiance-is-not-to-america-and-god-but-to-the-new-world-order-and-satan/

  21. From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=26968

    “WHAT CAN SHERIFFS AROUND THE COUNTRY DO TO STOP OBAMA”

    “answer:

    Sheriff can
    1. Subpoena records for criminal investigation. He can subpoena production of the original birth certificate allegedly on file and the original application to the Social security. This in itself will be such a blow to Obama campaign, that he might decide not to run.
    2. Sheriff can forward his findings to the DA, Attorney General of the state, Secretary of State, Governor and seek criminal charges for elections fraud committed by Obama in Arizona to be filed and for the Secretary of State to refuse to place his name on the ballot in 2012. It is enough for one state to refuse to place his name on the ballot. The publicity and media explosion will finish the job.

    These are only a couple of the most obvious scenarios. I will keep the others to myself for now.
    Orly”

  22. Herman is going to debate Gingrich, one on one. Good for Herman.
    http://pjmedia.com/blog/cain-to-debate-newt-what-is-herman-thinking/?singlepage=true

    I think that they would make a formidable team against Obama.

  23. Cabby said: “Having said that, to nitpick on Herman Cain because of an interview with a very liberal person on CNN who was trying to trap him, is, in my opinion, unfair and unreasonable. Cain has since made his position on abortion very clear, and I believe him ”
    ———————————————————————————————

    No doubt about it Cabby. I also am anti-abortion. Although I am not a true libertarian, or anarchist, I believe that being anti abortion is consistent with a libertarian philosophy. The fetus is a person and should be afforded such rights.

    That being said, I find it curious that Tina is taking one interview that Cain later clarified and now claims to be not only “not for” him but she is actually “against” him. Then she goes on to promote Mitt Romney, who as a long history of actually being “pro-choice” in the state of Mass.

    In addition, from previous discussions with her several weeks ago, it became very clear that she has no concept of libertarian values and how it relates to the founding of our country, consitution and American way. This is not surprising that she, apparently at least in her 50’s but more than likely early 60’s, supported Hillary Clinton who has to be one of the MOST pro-abortion candidates to ever run for President.

    Take what she says with a grain of salt. If she isn’t a dupe, then she realy has no influence on our party politics and her postions should be discarded until she is willing to roll up her sleeves to do her homework.

  24. “BARACK HUSSEIN OBANMA, THE MAN GOD WARNED AND DISREGARDED HIS VOICE FOR MERCY – PROPHETIC”

    Posted by African Press International on October 29, 2011
    Rev. Lainie Dowell

    Excerpt:

    “Barack Hussein Obama recently announced publicly that he has personally taken steps to seek ways to run the government without the United States Congress. That means, he has no regard for the United States Constitution, God, American citizens, or himself. For, he and his cohorts conspired to put him into the White House specifically to remove and destroy the very foundations of the United States of America. As well, he has support from Muslims in and out of government, the least of which are Rep. Keith Ellison (D), Hashim Hanson Clarke (D), Andre Carson (D), and progressives, of which Hillary Clinton (now Obama’s Secretary of State), and many Democrats who identified themselves with Obama as such shortly after he became President-elect 2008.

    Congress is asleep at the wheel. It is foolish and traitorous to allow self-professed Muslims who have publicly stated their hatred of America and support CAIR, to have government access to military and defense classified information while our men and women are on battlefields at war against terrorists. They are the self-same enemies which those aforesaid elected leaders have declared to be their friends and allies! Even Obama publicly stated he would defend Muslims over Americans. And we see that ideology unfolding every chance Obama gets to put it into effect.

    It goes without saying that all of their top-secret access needs to be removed, because insider government information is still being leaked to terrorists who are slaughtering our beloved military, as a result of somebody handing over troop movement data as well as internet disclosures, and certain disclosures obtained via C-SPAN televised and radio transmitted subcommittee hearings. Yet, Congress has refused to take steps to either investigate this or to stop Obama and his cronies from having access in view of the ongoing ambushes to kill our military (even some more troops reported killed today). Terrorists have stepped up their attacks and, yet, our military is further weakened solely by the Obama administration who introduced acceptance of the homosexual agenda, politics, and a nearly weaponless force fighting on foreign shores in defense of American traditions, values, safety. At the same time, Obama has purposely removed many military faith-based activities. Obama is to blame for this ongoing shameful loss of life while he lives it up on the golf course and in ice cream parlors and hamburger joints.

    Obama is a ruthless liar whose name and reputation are known to have been personally associated with Chicago murders, the homosexual lifestyle, lawbreakers, thieves, and many known and unknown enemies of this nation. Yet, the various news media and too many so-called educated folk of all stripe continue to prop up Obama pretty much like that character in the movie entitled, Arthur. People fill in the blanks of what Obama leaves unspoken and they come up with a far grander lie they can live with which makes him look good and endears them to him (or so they must think). Again, I cannot stress enough that Obama has endangered the lives of citizens and our military around the world. He also continues to allow foreigners to come from those battlefields into America. What’s more, they think they have a right to file lawsuits in America to foist Sharia Law and Islamic culture onto Americans but that we aren’t supposed to object.

    How America has fallen!

    No person is above the law, not even the President of the United States, whoever that may be — except that they are keepers of the law who believe they are exempt from obeying the USA constitution and the rule of law (God’s and man’s). And, except that they have pals who believe it is their duty to protect and cover up for the unlawful wrongs of those in leadership.

    It becomes more evident, daily, that Obama wants to be the Chavez, Castro, Putin, Odinga, Saddam, and Gaddafi of the West. But, Christians who know God and pray for relief from the Obama Administration can rest assured that the God we serve never sleeps. He keeps watch. He knows. God responds but those in leadership and many who surround them are slow to hear and to heed God. Ours is just to tell it like God told it, and to move out of His way. Such is this message I am delivering, below, another God-breathed response.

    America’s foundation is, and shall remain, Judeo-Christian. We are entrenched in Spiritual Warfare. This is about God and Satan. We face good and evil. We know right from wrong. We know Godly from Satanic. We discern to know. God reveals all things, as He wills. Continue to pray that God will fully expose both the reported and unreported sinister plots of Obama such that this nation will have no other recourse but to fully and finally remove him from office before his damage becomes irreversible. Obama flaunts his disregard of the law while our congressional leadership fight to uphold the law, but without taking steps to enforce the law!”

    Read More Here: http://africanpress.me/2011/10/29/barack-hussein-obama-the-man-god-warned-and-disregarded-his-voice-for-mercy-prophetic/

  25. Tina – 2:07 pm:
    This is from an e-mail received from Herman Cain himself after the Morgan interview on CNN:
    (quote)
    The abortion issue is very serious.  I believe strongly that this is true, and I believe that you do too.

    Because the news media loves to make mountains out of mole hills, I want to be very clear about where I stand on abortion:

    I am 100% pro-life, period.

    Let me explain.  In an interview yesterday with Piers Morgan on CNN, I was asked questions about abortion policy and the role of the President.

    If you listen to the line of questioning, it is clear that Mr. Morgan was asking if I, as president, would simply “order” people to not seek an abortion.

    My answer was focused on the role of the President.  The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone.  That was the point I was trying to convey.

    As to my political view on abortion…again, I am pro-life.  End of story. 

    Then note this:
    As President, I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution.  Judges who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children.

    I will oppose government funding of abortion.  I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood.  I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life.

    How much more plainly can he say it?

  26. Tina, it is appalling to me that his political opponents who are pro-life are trying to use this as an issue to push Cain back.

  27. Tina – 2:07 pm
    As far as the sales tax in Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, he himself has this to say about it:

    First, for all the hand-wringing about introducing one new tax, critics seem to lose sight of the fact that we eliminate so many existing taxes that do so much damage to the economy. The payroll tax robs many people of large portions of their take-home pay. We eliminate it. The estate tax forces people to sell family businesses after their founders pass away. We get rid of that, too. The capital gains tax discourages investment – a mistake that contributes mightily to unemployment – by presuming to punish people who profit from putting their capital at risk. With 9-9-9, that comes to an end.

    The whole point is that the greatly lowered or eliminated other taxes will give people more spending power, and the lower cost of goods sold (because of lower mfg. costs) will bring down the prices of goods at the retail level.

    No one is suggesting that there won’t be the possibility of changes to his plan. It is just that those who are supporting him see much worth in the man himself and his beliefs and goals. The country is getting mighty tired of politicians who are so steeped in the beltway that they can’t envision new thoughts and ideas.

  28. I had just posted an article about this Justia ‘flap’ when I read a comment on the NQ blog mentioning the subject and, asking my – jbjd’s – opinion! Then, I came here to CW to find, this is also the topic of the latest article.

    For the full analysis, see the blog. But this comment I left at NQ pretty much sums up the issue.

    Even assuming changes occurred in various versions of Justia’s electronic publications; and that these changes were intentionally designed to sway the narrative; Justia has every right to change its ‘facts’ so as to try to sway the narrative, just like the NYT; or MSNBC, or naturborncitizen, or any other purveyor of information which is NOT ACTING IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, that is, exercising authority vested by the people to act on their behalf, in the manner prescribed by law.

    Perhaps some inexperienced and perversely well-intentioned Obama supporter employed by Justia swallowed the common lay misinterpretation of Happersett which Leo champions and has zealously disseminated; and, fearing this misinterpretation could damage Obama’s brand; changed the citations for that reason. Or perhaps, some global change in editing inadvertently tossed out all references to that case. Who knows; more importantly, who cares?

    Perhaps the lesson here is best summed up in this way: 1) don’t trust Justia for your primary legal research; and 2) don’t trust (the ‘legal’ work produced by) anyone who takes anything Justia publishes, seriously.

  29. Cabby – AZ | October 29, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    Thanks for posting this, Cabby. The role of President is not as a dictator and that is essentially what Cain was saying. Currently to overturn Roe v. Wade it would require a constitutional ammendment, in my opinion. This can of worms, although large and very smelly, needs to be left closed until we dispose of Obama and the Democratic Socialist Party of America. It’s a wedge issue.

  30. jbjd | October 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm |

    as expected, Yawn…………

  31. Paxson, You are welcome. I’m so glad I still had this e-mail from Cain. You hit it exactly right about the necessity for a constitutional amendment, imo. Right now is NOT the time to begin splitting hairs over various interviews. We know from past experience that anyone the media doesn’t like is going to be attacked mercilessly by them. Cain knows it, too, and we can expect more of the same, only worse, much worse.

  32. Cabby. You won’t hear me tearing any of them down to the point of inelectability. I supported Romney in the past, as I have freely said. I like the man. He is obviously a good person, albeit a nerd. But a likable one. We need to look upon those who work on gaining trust and then begin to chip away at the edges of the viable candidates. THINK ABOUT IT.

  33. So what’s wrong with Santorum who is pro American, pro Israel, pro military, not confused on the issues, smart, educated, against abortion and has a 0% tax plan on bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. He’s got new ideas too. He’s family oriented and Christian. If Cain is too confused, too tired and needs to be educated as to what is politically correct so he doesn’t make gaffs, what’s wrong with Santorum?

  34. I said I would support Cain, if elected, but we have to look at the pros and cons of all of them. People here seem pretty sensitive if I don’t support their guy. I’ve been the one who had looked at the pros and cons of all of them.

  35. Does anyone also realize Cain has had cancer and is not yet past the 5 year mark? Does that concern anyone?

    Also, the political consensus is that Cain’s campaign is in chaos. There is few staff in place. He’s a great personality and I like him, but can he really pull it off? I hope he’s not taking us all on a ride. I really hope not.

  36. Has anyone looked at Santorum? Why if he’s against abortion and has a zerto percent tax rate on manufacturers bringing jobs back to America is he not catching fire? He’s smart and debates well.

  37. Last point for now…eyes on the prize…the goal is to defeat Obama. It’s not to start a cult around Cain or Perry or Ron Paul or anyone else. It’s to evaluate all the candidates and figure out which one can beat Obama. It’s to get the most electable conservative. That may be Cain. It may be Romney or someone else. Newt even seems good, but he’s got baggage too, and I’m starting to like Santorum more and more.

  38. Tina | October 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    Does anyone also realize Cain has had cancer and is not yet past the 5 year mark? Does that concern anyone?
    *****************************
    What I say to you, Tina, is definitely not to sway your opinion, but I have to respond to the above statement to set the record straight. He has publicly said that he HAS passed the five-year mark and that he is completely cancer free. His doctor has said that he is just as good as if he had never had it. How do we know that the others may not develop a fatal disease? We live in an imperfect world, as you know. Anything can happen to anyone.

    As far as his staff is concerned, we have moved beyond the stage where there has to be a strong staff presence in each state as previously. The internet and all of the debates have done much to change that. But you wouldn’t realize that if you are listening to people like Karl Rove and others who are trying to find flaws wherever they can.

    Frankly, you sound to me as someone who is desperately trying to come to a conclusion before all of the facts are in. Santorum is a very good, conservative man and served well in Congress for many years. I like him, but he just isn’t being taken too seriously at this point. I don’t think he could debate Obama very well. He does have a tendency to come across as mean-spirited at times, but I don’t think he intends to. Perhaps, it is a lack of charisma?

  39. Okay, Cabby. I didn’t know that about Cain passing the five year mark. I don’t feel like I’m trying to come to any conclusion. I want to make sure we beat Obama. That’s what I desperately want, and I feel we have to evaluate everyone farily not annoint anyone.

  40. On another subject, Hamas sent rockets into Israel today killing a civilian and injuring 4 others. Most other countries feel that the rockets from Gaza are not a real threat because they never hurt anyone. Now they have. If Mexico, Canada, North Korea or others sent rockets into the US and killed someone, don’t you think the US would respond? No one would say we shouldn’t so why do people hold Israel back? Israel has every right to defend themselves, and I hope they continue to do so.

  41. Tina | October 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm | Does anyone also realize Cain has had cancer and is not yet past the 5 year mark? Does that concern anyone?
    ————————————————————————–
    I have pointed that out before.
    Surely Obots will make an issue of it in the general election.

  42. Exactly, Pat. Obots will attack any GOP candidate very heavily so they better be able to withstand the criticism.

  43. This has been a good thread, even if off topic for the most part.

  44. Truthbetold11

    Obama cant betouch. Hes is more corrupt than imagined. His handlers are using him. When there done he will be released. He can cause even greater harm if arrested. What do u do with him? Prison .he would run the joint. See this big

  45. Tina at Submitted on 2011/10/29 at 8:22 pm

    Good question.

  46. In today’s SunTimes there is a propaganda article spoon fed by the prosecution their justification for choosing Stuart Levine…No mention of how Tony Rezko would make a better witness, having never been a drug addict, nor did he ever rip off close friends estate, or have affairs on his wife with multiple male companions, or suffer long term brain damage from over 30 years of drug use. They planted this piece in the weekend paper hoping the jury would read it…and we are suppose to trust the U.S. Attorney’s office?

    Tony Rezko and his partner Daniel T. Frawley will be sentenced November 22 and 23rd, the day before Thanks Giving, hoping no one will cover or notice…They think they can sweep these two under the rug and no one will notice….We should let them know we are WATCHING we are paying attention and they could sentence them on Christmas day and we will be there.

  47. Thanks Bessie.
    We are watching!

  48. “FLASHBACK: FIRST OPENLY RACIST, COMMUNIST FAMILY IN THE WHITE HOUSE…AND DON’T FORGET THE X ON MICHELLE’S DRESS…A TRIBUTE TO BARRY’S DADDY: MALCOLM X!…”

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/10/first-openly-racist-communist-family-in.html

  49. Nothing is wrong with Santorum except the fact that he doesn’t seem to be generating any enthusiasm.

  50. “BARACK OBAMA: WE MUST EMBRACE GLOBALISM AND THE EMERGING ONE WORLD ECONOMY”

    The Economic Collapse
    November 12, 2010

    Read More Here: http://www.infowars.com/barack-obama-we-must-embrace-globalism-and-the-emerging-one-world-economy/

  51. Want to thank all of you, for your Powerfull stand against Oboma & His Corrupted political partners.

    But there is so much more we can do. Being aggressive and focusing on the facts and truth is only the first step.

    We musT follow Up with more details standing by our convictions and dont back down.

    Oboma has NOT brought CHANGE, In fact ~! ~ THE ONLY real THING needing CHANGE !….Was Barack Hussein Obama II.

    HIMSELF

    Barack Hussein Obama II ( Who hates American Values ) who is A ” SELF PROCLAIMED Enemy” ~of responsible, Morally Conscious HARD WORKING Americans.

    oBOMAS Irresponsible & DRUG MAFIA and reckless supporters KNOW~ that Barack Hussein Obama II, WILL FORCE YOU to paY THEM, out of your PockeT .{ FOR all of their UNCHECKED Vices and THRILLS/

    { All on YOU | /

    At your COST & Sacrifice

    …This UN~CHANGABLE fraud, has done His VERY BEST to Inspire VIOLENCE. For THESE ARE OBAMAS Very OWN WORDS.. saying ………To his supporters.

    Saying “Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your Fellow Americans”

    – Obama has ALSO DECLARED to his Supporters….“I want all Americans to get in each others faces!– Obama demands !

    “You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” –

    THESE ARE OBAMAS OWN WORDS.. /and ANGER VIOLENCE and more taxes….. THIS IS OBAMAS Change for america /“Hit Back Twice As Hard”. He commands !*Obama on the private sector: ~~ “We talk to these folks…~ / so I know whose a*$ to KICK.“ OBOMA wants to KICK your a*$ /

    Shouting THAT Republican victory would mean ~ “hand to hand combat”

    HE IS EXPECTING people to be on Edge and BORDERLINE killing MODE, VIOLENT / and STAND up for their immoral CAUSES

    THIS IS WHAT HE LIVES FOR ./ ./ ./ THESE ARE OBAMAS OWN WORDS.. !

    * Obama Tells democrats: “ I’m itching for a fight.” !

    ….PLEASE…. go to reXes NEW WebsiTe ~ ! Oboma *( Just like Adolf Hitler~~\oBOMA~~~ Demands ! — [ THE FINAL SOLUTION – for Un~Wanted Children

    Barak Obama is A MURDERER .~Torturing UNWANTED babys on DEATH ROE

    CLICK HERE http://www.obomlnation.webstarts.com/index.html

    OBAMA TAKES a little NEW BORN innocent child. BORN. ALIVE sTabS it iN the head SUCKs ITS BRAINS OUT.

    This is just to wrong and horrible. Please stand for Loving Children and the USA

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