Donald Trump CNN Piers Morgan interview, Trump questions Obama’s birth certificate, Rick Perry strategy, CNN investigation?

Donald Trump CNN Piers Morgan interview, Trump questions Obama’s birth certificate, Rick Perry strategy, CNN investigation?

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

Donald Trump was interviewed on CNN by Piers Morgan on October 26, 2011. Trump continues to question Obama’s birth certificate.

From CNN.

“During an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, the real estate mogul
said the issue would help the Texas governor in the Republican
presidential primary, but might not be “good for him in the general

Trump championed the “birther” issue during his flirtation with a bid
for the White House. President Barack Obama, who was born in Hawaii,
eventually released the long form version of the document to seemingly
combat the growing rumors.

Texas Gov. Perry recently expressed doubts about the validity of the
birth certificate.

On Wednesday, Perry told Florida’s Bay News 9 he was “just having some
fun with Donald Trump.”

But Trump continued to raise questions about the certificate, saying
Obama “might have been” born in America.

“My gut tells me a couple of things. Number 1, you know it took a long
time to produce this certificate and when it came out, as you know,
you check out the internet, many people say it is not real. Okay? It’s
a forgery,” Trump said. “And the other thing is, nobody has been able
to see the day of his birth, they had twins born, they had the other
one born. Nobody has been able to find any records that he was born in
that hospital.”

CNN released the results of its own investigation into the controversy
earlier this year. Documents and statements from numerous public
officials and childhood friends made clear that the president was born
in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”

CNN did not do much of an investigation or did not want the truth.

CNN, present your evidence and we will present ours.

60 responses to “Donald Trump CNN Piers Morgan interview, Trump questions Obama’s birth certificate, Rick Perry strategy, CNN investigation?

  1. Here is exactly what Cain said. It’s a very long statement. Not a gaff. Basically it says he’s against abortion, but as President, he’s not going to interfere with abortions or tell anyone what to do. That’s basically pro-choice.

    CAIN: What it comes down to is not the government’s role or anybody else’s role to make that decision. Secondly, if you look at the statistical incidents, you’re not talking about that big a number. So what I’m saying is it ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president. Not some politician. Not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family, and whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn’t try to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive decision (on abortion).

    CNN MORGAN: But by expressing the view that you’ve expressed, you are effectively… You might be president. You can’t hide behind the mask of being the pizza guy. You might be president of the United States of America. So your views on these things become exponentially massively more important. They become a directive to the nation.

    CAIN: No they don’t. I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to a social decision that they need to make.

  2. Until I see Trump ACTIVELY pursue the Soetoro truth, I will look upon Trump as a TAGALONG to the bandwagon. He is out for TRUMP,and that appears to be the bottom line. Nothing else matters to him.

  3. Rick Santorum told the Associated Press that Cain’s position was “basically the position that just about every pro-choice politician has in America.”

    Rick Perry said:

    “It is a liberal canard to say I am personally pro-life but government should stay out of that decision. If that is your view, you are not pro-life, you are pro having your cake and eating it too.”


    Perry and Santorum are correct on this.

  4. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    I think I just read form Oldsalt on last thread that Romney’s father was born in Mexico. What a fine mess we have got ourselves into now! Here is wikipedia’s info –

    PS – He did not have a military exemption.

  5. “Fool me once, shame on you…Fool me twice, shame on me.”

    Trump is out for Trump…I would’nt believe him on a stack of Bibles…

    He’s carrying Obama’s water….always has been, always will.

  6. Trump has said some very important things so matter what your political opinions are. He says OPEC is rolling over America. He wants us to exploit our energy resources, basically drill baby drill. He says China is eating our lunch, and he is keeping the questions open on Obama’s eligibility. He needs to start attacking his social security number and calling for Obama’s college application.

  7. Hillary Clinton leads GOP presidential candidates, poll says
    Would someone tell me what this woman has done that has ever been correct, truthful, and courageous. Another case of overhyped personage – top 100 smartest women who couldn’t pass the D.C. bar; is a bobble head apologizer to abusive, lying men, even after knowing their reputations/ couldn’t get business even while a gov’s wife so Bill had to influence his friends to throw some work her way; and even then she screwed it up, couldn’t deal honestly when she was handed her big chance to do a universal healthcare (in private); now works for a crook and accepts “some” sharia law that is the fruit of their enabled Arab spring. It goes on and on….yet people have swallowed another lie and would get just what they’re getting now. She tries to play with the big boys and winds up covering for their mistakes while calling herself a “feminist” type – then again….those types are all the same!

  8. Regardless of where George Romney was born, his son, Mitt Romney was born on American soil of two citizens…that makes him a “natural-born citizen”

    Now Mr. Obama produce your TWO citizen parents (African doesn’t count) and I shall be happy to call you “a natural-born citizen”.

  9. If Romney’s papa was naturalized cit before Mittens was born then Mittens is ok as far as nbc is concerned assuming mama is a US cit too. If papa was not naturalized when little Mitt came into this world then indeed Mitt has a problem according to what we all believe is the definition of ‘natural born cit.’ Who’s going to bring this up to the powers that be though??? Probably no one as happened with McCain and dear ol’ fraud in chief in 2008.

  10. Willard M. (Mitt) Romney was born or 2 US citizens in the city of Detroit, on March 12, 1947. that makes him 62 years of age, and a “natural-born citizen”.

    Now I know it’s hard for some to accept Detroit as part of the US, but really is.

    Come on now Obama…tell us who your real daddy and mammy are !

  11. My basic opinion on all of the eligibility issues is that the GOP has handled it incorrectly. The Supreme Court needs to rule on who is eligible and who is not. If the Dems see it as attacking Obama, they will do whatever is necessary to protect him. Jindal, Rubio, Obama and others have eligibility questions and they all should be examined. I knew Romney’s father was born in Mexico, but thought the issue was resolved, but honestly now can’t say why. The US Supreme Court has refused to take this up and has done the country a great disservice, but again, I think it should be a bi-partisan issue, and not just an Obama issue. Maybe then it would be a more acceptable question. Maybe Trump can bring it up as a bi-partisan issue and it would get more play in the press. Someone should suggest it to him.

  12. Get a load of this:
    Here is a very interesting article. According to the following, don’t ever expect Mitt Romney to challenge Obama re. his eligibility. Think upon that.

    (written in April, 2011)
    Romney to Trump: Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate

  13. That is an interesting article, Cabby. The GOP is wrong not to challenge eligibility questions. But maybe they are hiding something too.

  14. From Cain’s website, not much of a plan sounds like gibberish.
    What does he mean by promoting the existing path to citizenship, more anchor babies?

    [ We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship. Protecting our nation’s sovereignty should be a paramount concern of those elected to lead us, not an afterthought or a reaction once the problem becomes even worse. Further, taking a stand on the issue does not mean one lacks compassion, but instead, that one respects the rule of law and the importance of not becoming a lawless nation.]

  15. Cabby – AZ | October 27, 2011 at 5:08 pm |

    A direct attack by a Prewsidential candidate on Obama’s birth place is suicide. That’s what surrogates are for. (Trump)
    No serious candidate is going to go down the birth certificate rabbit hole.

  16. Read for yourselves, pretty weak.

  17. No don’t go down the RABBIT hole….. send a FERRET down instead. Then stand by at the top of the hole with a 12 guage. I guarantee the rabbit will beat a hasty exit in very short order. Better still if it is a TRAINED ferret.

  18. Do you suppose Trump could be trained to be a ………”FERRET”?

  19. Pat 1789 | October 27, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Read for yourselves, pretty weak.
    They are only weak if your position is to support the technocrat beauracracy of the federal government. Those that are the technocrats that have destroyed our country will always sound better versed in their own b.s.


    By Mike Shedlock


    “The Justice Department of the Obama Administration, the self-proclaimed “most transparent administration ever Proposes Letting Government to Respond to Freedom of Information Requests Denying Existence of the Documents.

    A longtime internal policy that allowed Justice Department officials to deny the existence of sensitive information could become the law of the land — in effect a license to lie — if a newly proposed rule becomes federal regulation in the coming weeks.

    The proposed rule directs federal law enforcement agencies, after personnel have determined that documents are too delicate to be released, to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests “as if the excluded records did not exist.”



    “This proposed law is pure insanity. Wrong accused persons might go to prison or guilty persons purposely protected based on this law.

    All that is required is for some government official (possibly protecting himself or his department) to think information is “too sensitive”.

    The U.S. should be ashamed to even consider such a law. It;s just a license to cover up by government officials.


    “A few weeks ago everyone knew German Chancellor Angela Merkel lied about leverage to the German Parliament. Nonetheless, and disgustingly, this morning the Bundestag was all too willing to Approve a “Blank Check” for Unlimited EFSF Leverage.”

    Read More Here:


    By Mike Shedlock

    Read More Here:

  22. Hey Salt….Trump doesn’t need any training…that comes natural to him.

  23. Salt…the only problem is……Trump is the RABBIT

  24. Paxson:

    yes. The establishment may have destroyed the country, but Cain is not the only candidate. The conclusion does not point to Cain necessarily, unless he lifts his game.



  26. Orly, shot down, again. Oh well, now Donald can’t say, “I told you so”. Would’ve been nice if he could have bought this Judge.

  27. Fast & Furious Exposes Mafia Run White House: Nightly News Report

    * * * *
    Issa: Holder Should Come Before House Judiciary to Clarify Fast and Furious Statement

    * * * *

    FBI hiding facts on “fast and furious” scandal?

    * * * *
    ‘Fast and Furious’ Shows Team Obama’s Contempt for Real Reporters and Press

  28. The Real Newt Gingrich

    John F. McManus anaylzes the voting record and actions of former Congressman Newt Gingrich, revealing that Gingrich is not the conservative he portrays himself to be.

    Click to access Colorado_Foreclosure_Laws.pdf

  29. The Real Newt Gingrich

    John F. McManus anaylzes the voting record and actions of former Congressman Newt Gingrich, revealing that Gingrich is not the conservative he portrays himself to be.

  30. If Romney is an establishment Republican, how come he was not
    “selected” in 2008 ?

    Whoever is going to win the R nomination has to be able to raise enough cash to beat the usurper. Right now that’s Romney.

    The Fox news “candidate of the week” conservative credentials, are suspect IMO.

    I don’t see Romney losing at this point unless he implodes on something stupid. Getting my Mitt 2012 bumper sticker ready.

  31. Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious

    “The president has directed us to take action to fight these cartels and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the Administrations’ comprehensive plan…..”

    * * * *

    Smoking Gun: Obama Ordered Operation Fast and Furious – Project Gunrunner – 2009

    * * * *

    Obama Knew! ATF Agent Shared Fast & Furious Info with White House Last Year

  32. The Most AMAZING video on the internet★2012 Election★RP revolution

    * * * *

    RON PAUL is EXPLODING (Jon Stewart 2012 Trust Today)

    * * * *

    Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano on the Federal Reserve 10/06/10

  33. A video that finishes Gingrich 100%

    Newt Gingrich and Nancy Pelosi – We Can Solve It

  34. Here is proof that the PB Oil Spill was truly a 100% created crisis “false flag” that was factually 100% criminally manufactured so “Obama” could use it to force his totalitarian dictatorship over the federal government to make the fed. gov. through Congress have the federal government take over and “REGULATE ALL BUSINESSES & ALL HOMES.” At about the 53 mark “Obama” said the BP oil spill battle was “tantamount to a war.” (Yes, “Obama” the foreign-born domestic enemy terrorist usurper is waging a war against We The People and the USA with other foreign & domestic enemies who are working together with him to destroy and end the Sovereignty of the USA, to overthrow the USA government, to intentionally overspend in insane overspending to intentionally by design financially bankrupt the USA to intentionally conquer, annilhilate, kill, end, destroy, stop, and crush the USA from being a superpower; and to completely stop, overthrow, destroy, and annihilate our USA military, businesses, the USA Constitution, & civil rights, freedoms, liberties which will be crushed, overthrown, conquered, killed, & annilihated due to “Obama’s” intentional by design financial bankruptcy of the USA!

    The BP Oil Spill was a 100% created crisis and “Obama” knew all about it, he was involved in it, and he went along with it being waged as a domestic terrorist act of war against the USA American citizens & against the USA. Listen carefully at the 39 mark & at the 53 mark:

    Judge Napolitano on BP Oil Spill & Obama Pt 1/3

  35. “Napolitano’s claim that she knew nothing of Fast and Furious until it hit the news headlines is almost certainly a brazen lie, since she was responsible for launching the previous incarnation of the same program less than two years earlier. If the DHS chief is found to have lied under oath, she is guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice, and faces a jail sentence of a minimum of five years.”

  36. Agreed, Pat. If someone is better than Romney, let them come forward. So far no one yet has more support, more money, more name recognition, and better debating skills. I would have gone with Cain or Perry if they had beaten Romney in the debates and were strong on the issues. They didn’t. Perry complains that he is not as smooth as Romney in the debates, but he is also weak on some key issues. Cain has to educate himself on the issues. We need to beat Obama before we can turn this country around.

  37. Pawlenty keeps saying he should have stayed in the race. No he should not have. He would have lost.

  38. Liberty Legal Foundation and Presidential Candidate John Dummett File Federal and State Lawsuits Against National Democratic Party to Block Certification of Candidate Obama for Inclusion on 2012 Ballot | @

    CDR Kerchner (Ret)

  39. Which of Cain’s conservative principles are “suspect”, Pat? Don’t support him, but don’t be like Tina and list three b.s. things and call him a “flip flopper” and then go forward to endorse Romney who, like I said earlier, has had more positions that the Karma Sutra. Cain brought the “flat” tax or “fair” tax issue to the forefront, which is good. Our tax code is corrupt.

  40. RMINNC…………………………..Ref 6:21 PM
    Then Trump better pray that the person standing at the entrance to the rabbit hole with a 12 gauge isn’t Elmer Fudd, or somebody having a similar level of mental prowess as Fudd.

  41. Paxson | October 27, 2011 at 8:59 pm |

    1. No one thinks Cain’s 999 has a chance of going anywhere.
    2. Cain really doesn’t have a plan for stopping illegal immigration, unless you think an electric fence is a good idea. I’m sure that comment really attracted the Latino vote.
    3. I never heard of Cain until 6 months ago.
    4. Exactly how is Cain going to cobble together a National campaign that attracts disenchanted D’s and idependents in the general election ?
    5. Cain says he is not a flip flopper, how do we know. I have heard 2 different versions of his pro life position.
    6. Cain has never been elected to anything and has no record at all. Good or bad.
    7. He has gotten a free ride thus far IMO, that’s going to change soon.

    So let’s see what happens, he’s got a lot of work to do.

  42. Good Morning! 4 inches of snow this morning. I was hoping this was not going to happen this year.

  43. Good morning Zach, et al.

  44. zachjonesishome | October 28, 2011 at 7:58 am |

    Excellent article by Dr.Jack

  45. Looks like Obama is not only passively putting Iraq into a position of being eaten alive by Iran, he is setting the Kurds in the North up for destruction as well. (Also in Iran’s interest)

    Obama Administration Wants to Give Turkey SuperCobras
    Israel National News ^ | 10/28/2011 | Gavriel Queenann

    Posted on Friday, October 28, 2011 8:58:35 AM by sukhoi-30mki

    Obama Administration Wants to Give Turkey SuperCobras

    An unorthodox deal sees Washington providing Ankara with in-service US Marine Corps attack helicopters to aid in its war with the PKK.

    The Obama administration wants to provide two currently in-service US Marine Corps attack helicopters, Reuters reported Friday.

    The highly unorthodox move is being considered as Ankara seeks to exact revenge for a major attack by Kurdish separatists.

    Turkey has been seeking AH-1 SuperCobra helicopters to replace those lost fighting separatist rebels from the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) for some time.

    Congressional officials say the Marines would get two new Textron Inc Bell AH-1Z SuperCobras to replace thee in-service AH-1W aircraft to be provided to Ankara.

    The AH-1W sold previously $10 million. Turkey bought 10 of them in the 1990s. The larger, twin-engine AH-IZ may sell for about $30 million, according to industry sources.

    But the administration’s plan has been held up by questions from lawmakers about the row between Turkey, which has shifted its sympathies towards Syria and Iran, and key-US ally Israel.

    Under the US Arms Export Control Act the Congress must be notified at least 15 days prior to proceeding with any significant arms transfer to a NATO partner, which includes Turkey.

    Turkey vowed “great revenge” and launched air and ground assaults on Kurdish guerillas in

    (Excerpt) Read more at …

  46. Good morning Old Salt….re: you comment about the Rabbit and Elmer Fudd……your right ole Elmer don’t shoot blanks!

  47. Look Who Cited To Justia For Supreme Court Holding.
    Posted in Uncategorized on October 28, 2011 by naturalborncitizen

    There’s a bogus astroturfing mantra going ’round the blogosphere which sounds something like this, “No real lawyer would ever use an online web site like Justia.“ The talking point is thoroughly debunked by a very powerful legal source. Ever heard of Perkins Coie? They are the law firm which defended Obama in eligibility suits before he was elected. Ever heard of Bob Bauer? He is a partner in Perkins Coie and was General Counsel of Obama For America 2008, then White House Counsel, and is now back in private practice as Obama’s personal attorney to lead the charge in the 2012 election.

  48. Pat,
    I’m not going to challenge you except for point number 5. Cain has not gained the power of ‘Politspeak’ yet. I believe him when he says that he is anti-abortion. I’m wondering why you give Romney a pass on the myriad of issues that he has had real influence on government and then has truly flip flopped in order to navigate a Republican primary.

    As I said many months ago, Herman Cain is still a long shot (although less so now). I believe that we need some fresh blood in office. I would like to see a fresh perspective on how to handle the issues of government taken from the perspective of a problem solver. Going back and reviewing Romney’s record as governor of Mass., as a person from the Western U.S.. out here in Colorado, I see a person more liberal than most Democrats out here when he was campaigning in that state and the chief executive as Governor.

    I’m not going to blow smoke up your you know what and say that Cain is perfect. I just think that he will so disrupt the status quo of political thought in our country that it will send the Democrats reeling. I say this for many reasons, not just his race and personal history.

    Whatever the case, I will vote Republican, no matter whom it is. Also, I did support Romney last go around against McCain. Mostly because Romney is smart and is a good moral man.

  49. BIG SNOWSTORM coming to the Northeast this weekend…..

    YEAAAAAAAAAAAAA…..that should wash most of that filth their calling “Occupy” down the drains of NYC, Boston, DC, etc…., or can we now expect Mr. Obama to order the cities to provide adequate housing, food, and warm buses ( like his new shiny big black one) to move them to and from their frolic.

    Police in Atlanta yesterday arrested over 50 of their “occupy mob” and closed down their operation….now what will your evil little minds come up with Mr. Obama and Mr. Soro’s to harass the law abiding citizens of this country?

    Charlotte NC announced this morning (Charlotte Observer) that they were taking steps to outlaw using city property being used by the “Occupy group” during the Democratic National convention. What a bunch of blue-bellies they have turned out to be. In essence, the city council is saying, “it’s OK to occupy the taxpayers city property, create havoc, harass citizens, destroy person property, and all that stuff, UNTIL Mr. Obama and his three-ring circus, (the DNC) COMES TO TOWN,….. YOU HAVE TO LEAVE and go harass people somewhere else.

    Boy, those super smart people with the “Occupy groups” are dumber than door knobs, but almost smart enough to boil water (in a year or two) ! …

    I think the 1% is imploding and crawling back into their holes.

  50. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    zachjonesishome | October 28, 2011 at 7:58 am |

    This is interesting advice for candidates addressing the eligibility issue.

    Jack Cashill did an outstanding job exposing the Arkansas Blood scandal during Clinton’s Governorship.
    And the Democrats did a wonderful job keeping it covered up.

  51. Paxson | October 28, 2011 at 10:09 am

    I also agree Romney is not the perfect candidate, but I don’t think he’s the RINO the chattering class is painting him to be. In 2008 they said he was too conservative.

    If it’s Cain in the end, I am with him 100%

  52. Motion for Rehearing Filed by Orly Taitz in Birth Certificate Case


    by Sharon Rondeau

    The city of Honolulu is located on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, which means “the gathering place.”

    (Oct. 27, 2011) — On October 21, 2011, The Post & Email reported on a hearing held on October 12, 2011 in Honolulu, HI as a result of Atty. Orly Taitz’s request for a Writ of Mandamus in the case of Taitz v. Fuddy and Onaka. Taitz has filed for a rehearing in the case based on her assertion that Fuddy’s defense counsel, Hawaii Deputy Attorney General Jill T. Nagamine, “misrepresented to the court” certain facts and “made up the rules of evidence.” Taitz also contends that Nagamine’s defense of Obama’s “privacy” in refusing to release the document which the Health Department allegedly has on file is moot, as Obama himself released an image identified as a certified copy of his birth certificate on April 27, 2011.

    Fuddy is Director of the Hawaii Department of Health and refused to comply with a subpoena from the U.S. District Court in Honolulu which gave her a deadline of August 8, 2011 to allow inspection of Barack Hussein Obama’s original birth certificate. When Taitz and two document examiners arrived on August 8 to inspect the document, they were instead handed a letter from Fuddy’s representative stating that it could not be released due to concerns of privacy.

    Obama claims he was born in Hawaii, while evidence has surfaced which indicates that his birth occurred in Mombasa, Kenya. Obama’s father was a British citizen and therefore unable to pass on U.S. citizenship to his son, much less “natural born” status, which is required by Article II of the U.S. Constitution.

    When The Post & Email spoke with Taitz, she had just returned from meeting with Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has stated publicly that he is in possession of information about Obama which will prove to be a “shock” to the American people. Taitz was invited to meet with Arpaio by an Arizona a Tea Party group.

    Regarding her request for a rehearing, Taitz explained:

    First of all, there was a conflict of interest between the Deputy Attorney General, who represented the case for the state of Hawaii and the state of Hawaii. Nagamine has ties to the Obama family; her husband is a family attorney for Obama’s sister. She did not deny this fact. She was acting more as a private criminal defense attorney instead of the Deputy Attorney General of the state. She completely misrepresented the requirement; for example, in her proposed order and at the hearing, she stated that the judge cannot refuse an agency appeal because there was no proper agency hearing. Right after the the hearing, together with two of my supporters, one of whom is a reporter for Channel 8 news, we actually walked from the courthouse to the Health Department, which is only a few blocks away, and we checked. They don’t have any official form for a hearing, and that’s how it is in any state or federal agency. When you ask for an agency review, they review your papers and then they respond. The words “agency hearing” means “agency review.” I have requested access to the original birth certificate and was denied. I asked for an agency appeal; they did not grant it, and I went to court. So I fulfilled all of my obligations with the agency before going to court. This is just more stonewalling. The Deputy Attorney General of the state of Hawaii is criminally complicit by playing games, playing with words, and obfuscating the issue.

    I raised with the judge that their statute, 91-2, dealing with administrative appeals, clearly states that an original is preferred if it is easily available. If it is not available, a certified copy is allowed; however, either party has the right to see an original in lieu of a certified copy. That is the basic rule of evidence in each and every state, in federal court, and everywhere in the world. Otherwise, any forger can create any forgery. The whole point is to have an original document. The Deputy Attorney General made up rules that don’t even exist in the court, saying that the only verification they do is by a one-word, “yes” or “no” answer. She just made it up.

    I stated to the judge that not only was this an error to base a decision on such a statement by the Deputy Attorney General, and the decision needs to be reversed in my favor, and I should get access to the documents. Also, the Deputy Attorney General should be sanctioned for making up a statute that doesn’t even exist. How can a person be allowed to work as the Deputy Attorney General of the state when she is simply making up statutes that don’t exist, does not follow the law, and is being criminally complicit in the forgery of a document.

    I provided all of this in my motion for rehearing. Of course, they will respond. For now, the hearing in state court is tentatively scheduled for November 16 and in federal court for November 21. So I might just go once to Hawaii, as it’s very expensive to fly there twice. I might just stay there for both hearings.

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