LTC Terry Lakin court martial, CDR Charles Kerchner and Captain Pamela Barnett will attend, Obama and Army on trial
From The American Patriot Foundation December 11, 2010.
“CDR Charles Kerchner to Attend Lakin Court Martial
The American Patriot Foundation is pleased to announce that CDR Charles Kerchner (Retired), the Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner et al v Obama case, will be attending the court-martial of LTC Terry Lakin beginning on December 14.
Click below for the full press release.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/kerchertoattend.html
VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR THE LATEST ON THE COUNTDOWN TO TERRY’S COURT MARTIAL.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/tlawsummary.html
Check back on Sunday afternoon for specific information about where to gather during the court martial.
// Margaret Hemenway
// www.safeguardourconstitution.com
WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW
Support Terry’s Communications Efforts
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/support-the-foundation.html
Add a Banner to Your Website
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/banners-and-graphics.html
Forward this email to anyone you feel may have an interest in Terry’s case.
Click here for forward this email to a friend.”
http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1103333458669&a=1104059794468&ea=ebay%40kerchner.com
Press release.
“CDR Charles Kerchner to Attend Lakin Court Martial
The American Patriot Foundation is pleased to announce that CDR Charles Kerchner (Retired), the Lead Plaintiff in the Kerchner et al v Obama case, will be attending the court-martial of LTC Terry Lakin beginning on December 14. The Kerchner case was fought in the federal court system, and CDR Kerchner (Retired) recently submitted a Petition to the U.S. Supreme Court on the matter of Obama’s Constitutional eligibility under Article II, Section 1, but the court refused to grant it a hearing.
CDR Kerchner is coming to the Court Martial in Fort Meade, Maryland, to demonstrate his support for LTC Lakin, “in his heroic stand to attempt to get the U.S. Constitution’s eligibility clause (Article II, Section 1) enforced and Obama’s original contemporaneous, primary source birth records released to the public and properly vetted.”
We are pleased to have this distinguished retired military officer attending this important trial, who also challenged Obama to prove conclusively that he was born in Hawaii as claimed, by releasing certified true and correct copies of his original. long form birth registration records and any and all amendments to same.
We anticipate that other prominent activists in the eligibility movement will be in attendance at court-martial next week, also showing their solidarity with the cause, along with other military officers and veterans.”
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/kerchnertoattend.html
Captain Pamela Barnett, USA Retired, will also attend.
From Unlawful President December 11, 2010.
“Captain Pamela Barnett, USA Retired and Commander Charles Kerchner, USN Retired, will both stand with LTC Terry Lakin during his court martial trial next week Dec. 14-16 at Fort Meade, MD, in a show of solidarity in wanting proof that Barack Hussein Obama is a lawful POTUS under the U.S. Constitution under Article II, Secion 1, Clause 5. Both Barnett and Kerchner are/were lead plaintiffs in separate lawsuits (Ambassador Alan Keyes is the other lead plaintiff with Barnett) challenging Obama’s eligibility and both groups of plaintiffs were also denied justice just as LTC Lakin has been denied justice. Neither case (Barnett, Keyes et al v. Obama or Kerchner et al v. Obama et al) were heard on merits or granted discovery on whether Obama is a lawful potus under the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN clause.
Both lawsuits stated that prior SCOTUS rulings and historical meaning define a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN (Not native born as Obama has stated he is on his campaign website) as someone born of two U.S. citizen parents on U.S. soil, and both arguments provided evidence that obama may have not have been born in Hawaii and may have lost U.S. citizenship, if he ever had it, when he was adopted by an Indonesian father when he was living in Indonesia. A lack of u.s. citizenship would explain Obama’s refusal to release his school records in addition to his birth records.
Barnett’s case which is on appeal to the 9th Circuit has also included two affidavits from licensed private investigators that show Obama’s use of a Connecticut issued social security number when he never lived in the state. The report also showed that the SSN Obama uses is also shared with someone born in 1890. The SSA refuses to release the original application to show who originally applied for this SSN. This situation is indicative of SSN fraud. The U.S. State Department has stated in a FOIA response that Obama’s mother’s passport records were destroyed prior to 1965 even though most peoples records were not destroyed prior to 1965. This would have given us insight to her location at the time she gave birth.”
Read more:
Citizen WElls 
Good Morning! Excellent news CW.
Good morning.
Dean M. (from prior thread) has explained in more detail his beliefs about Obama’s origins and history. If what he believes should be found to be true, then Obama MAY (I say that with reservation) truly be a NBC and the details that would support that are being kept secret by the CIA, according to Dean M’s theory; however, there is another VERY important factor that needs to be considered.
Obama has been shown to be a Marxist-Leninist both from his prior history, including college and later associates, and from his present stand re. government policies. For that and other reasons, including alleged sexual deviancy, he could never pass a national security clearance test. Our ELECTED officials are not subject to FBI investigations with respect to clearances because it is assumed that they have already been vetted thoroughly by an investigative press and the public. That is a serious loophole, as we have found.
So now we have a such a president in the Oval Office who has access to all of our nation’s military secrets, as well as his hand on the nuclear button. On that basis alone he should not be CiC, or, at the least, his orders in wartime would be suspect. Where is his allegiance, for pity sakes? He has at times shown himself to be friends with our sworn enemies, e.g., Hugo Chavez, for one. Fidel Castro has long been the darling of Obama’s socialist friends, too. We all know to whom he bows.
For now the brave, truly patriotic Lt.Col. Lakin will probably be thrown under the bus; but I believe that this is going to fan the flames of those of us who see the truth and that fire is going to be built under members of the 112th Congress until something is done to rectify this horrible, ghastly injustice.
“Interview with attorney Stephen Pidgeon. The case for probable cause of high treason against Barack Obama. Atty Pidgeon explains how there is already enough probable cause to warrant investigations and indictment against Obama for high treason under the Logan Act. Atty. Pidgeon also explains Obama’s constitutional eligibility in full detail.”
Videos(3) at link:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/interview-with-attorney-stephen-pidgeon.html
Good morning Cabby – AZ
When a stand up man like Lt. Col. Lakin is treated by the government like he has–it can go in only one of three directions. The government will eventually assassinate him, throw the jail key away after court martial, or admit their mistake (by public out rage and legal force) and set him free.
What ever this regime does now that is has shot it self in the foot in the way it handled Terry Lakin will ultimately be their undoing. I truly believe Lakin will rise like the phoenix bird from the flames as America’s brightest light during its darkest history.
What I want in my heart most is for the courts to over turn his court martial and demand Sotoero prove his eligibility or stand down. However, strange as this may sound–if Terry Lakin is court martialed—it will only empower him, our cause and prove beyond a shadow of the doubt America is under tyranny. God forbid–which I don’t believe they would dare do–something fatal happens to Lt. Col. Lakin, it will hasten the revolution upon which we are teetering. Yes. I do believe Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is the phoenix.
I would hope everyone is tracking that LTC Lakin’s premise is correct but his methodology for challenge is wrong. Though he has my respect for courage and conviction, his manner is inconducive with the known facts and responsibility to maintain good order and discipline within the ranks [prosecuting a war].
Good luck and God Bless him…but he is wrong to have refused to ship, not to mention the example he has set.
The Congress is the only entity that can relieve a sitting President according to the Constitution. As such, the anger should be directed towards our representatives and the AGs who can file QW on our behalf in the DC court.
Lastly, from what I have read regarding his CM…the lawyers have absolutely botched the opportunity for discovery in accordance with the rules per the MCM.
Folks will bitch about the outcome and sadly never put the onus where it belongs…the Congress and Lakin’s incompetent defense.
-Pieter Nosworthy
Cabby-AZ – Given the two choices :
1. The NBC factor
2. The X Factor
They will choose the NBC. One is a kilo ton bomb and the other is a Mega ton Bomb
Does anyone have the Scribd links to the FOIA filed with the SSA? If more than one, please post that as well. If any Responses from the SSA “FOIA Denied”, then post the Scribd link for that also.
Thanks,
Probable cause for high Treason read this http://www.commieblaster.com
read connection to KGB,communism in schools,congress and much more
pass on lots of info
Last night I watched a previously televised segment of CSPAN book review where they hosted a conservative (yes there still are a few) college professor, Paul Kengor. His latest book, Dupes, is an indepth look into how the communists “duped” Americans into believing in communism. It spans the 20th century to the current White House. In particular, he discusses 3 people who he considered “duped” namely John Dewey, Frank Marshall Davis and Ted Kennedy. He does discuss FM Davis as Obama’s mentor in Hawaii and documents Davis as a card carrying communist very precisely.
The entire program runs 1 hour 17 minutes and was excellent. The discussion confirms and reaffirms what the astute bloggers here at CW already know. Might be a good video to send on to some of those who choose to keep the blinders on. The Q&A was also very good. He discusses the liberal academia, the weather underground, etc. I especially liked the last question by a communist refugee who is absolutely shocked that this can be happening here in the Land of the Free.
If you have the time to spare, it’s worth viewing.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Dupe
Thanks HonorFirst
Pieter.
I believe that Lakin has set the supreme example, jeopardizing his career
and freedom for his country.
No, citizenwells, I thank YOU!
But I am happy to share when I can.
I pray that as many upper echelon officers,both ACTIVE and retired as possible will attend the Courts Martial of LTC Terry Lakin. There is an urgent need for this. When MMMMSSSS.IMPORTANT does,and/or states anything that further deprives Lakin of his rights,THERE WILL BE CREDIBLE WITNESSES,who will both SEE AND HEAR LIND”S BULLSH##. Hopefully they will be allowed to record the entire proceedings,both in written manuscript,and electronic medium. I pray that at least one of the JOINT chiefs are keeping up to speed on the trial. I hope the both Generals McInerney,and Valelly will also be on hand.If for no other reason than to intimidate MMMMSSSS. IMPORTANT.m Hopefully somebody will also bring along a competent court RECORDER as well. This way all testimony will become CERTIFIED TESTIMONY.Nobody will be able to tamper with it.
Sir William……………OT by necessity!
In Northern Indiana there is a WELL ESTABLISHED COMPANY who is looking for a COMPETENT EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED HERE IS THE ADDRESS TO WHICH YOU WILL NEED TO SEND YOUR RESUME;
FWN CONFIDENTIAL FILE #3988MB, PO BOX87, FORT WAYNE,INDIANA 46801-0087. I PASSED THIS ON TO YOU BECAUSE I KNEW THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT. WHILE THIS PART OF OUR STATE IS STILL IN DEEP RECESSION SOME KEY INDUSTRIES ARE STARTING TO TURN AROUND. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED NOW IS INDEED THE EXACT TIME TO STRIKE.
CW,
Lakin fell on his sword for no other purpose than passionate conviction with regard to our Constitution. My argument is one of whether it was proper for him to do so in the manner he chose.
Yes, he is brave and righteous. And from the comfort of your livingroom, I understand your support. But it is ill founded and poorly placed.
He will languish in prison because folks did not say “stop”, “yours challenge is not the correct venue”, and “let me, the citizen, whom which you defend go to Washington and insist my representative challenge this issue on my behalf”.
Only Congress or the DC court can relieve a sitting President. His actions are reflection that he KNOWS that his CIC is ineligible…something he can’t possibly have. Mere doubt is not grounds for abrogating Duty, especially during time of war.
Yours most respectfully,
1SG Nosworthy
Pieter, my post in the morning will add !!!
A commenter by the name of jj jones just sent the following:
“A lakin’s life will be ruined over it and you birthers will be still be on first base.
pitiful losers you are.
seriously though, anyone tries to remove Obama and I promise you we black americans will burn the country to the ground.
don’t test us.”
Any attempt to burn this country by people of any color will be met with a force exceeding “hell hath no fury.”
You do not speak for all Black Americans.
Most have better sense.
Everyone…………..Please keep in mind the fact that Soetoro CANNOT go on courts martialing officers without bringing HEAVY SCRUTINY upon himself. The more officers that he imprisons, the GREATER THE INTENSITY of the scrutiny. In reality he is SHOVELING MANURE AGAINST THE TIDE. I salute LTC Lakin and ALL who have taken their oaths as commissioned officers of our military to uphold our Constitution seroiusly. I pray that LAKIN will have the strength to OUTLAST his OPPRESSOR. He will need all the help that all of us can offer him as well. If he is convicted,it will be only for awhile. IF HE IS CONVICTED,AFTER NOT BEING ALLOWED A FAIR TRIAL,THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF EVIDENCE ON RECORD TO USE AGAINST BOTH LIND, AND SOETORO,LATER. THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY,NOR ARE ANY OF US VETERANS GOING TO FORGET.
CW,
Er, “add” what? Forgive me, I’m slow as is common those who refuse to quit thier uniformed federal service.
Yours,
Pieter
Exclamation marks (with respect as well)
CW,
I’m lost as to your meaning…add with exclamation marks? No doubt this a common and obvious reference…but I am am to dim or unhip to understand.
What is it, exactly, that you mean (you might have to type slowly)?
14DEC10 will be interesting and a watershed in the eligibility challenge. Unfortunately, most folks are uniformed regarding the scope of MCM, the CM trial process, and who or what can constitutionally relieve a sitting President.
As you can imagine, I’m unhappy with LTC Lakin’s effort…both the lack of pretrial discovery and the expectation of redress from a Courts-Martial.
Pieter
No one knows what the eventual outcome of this trial will be. But I sense, with all the dissent going on EVERYWHERE (repubs and democrats alike), with the divisiveness among ordinary citizens, with the recent smears by the late night comedians, SNL and even some of the liberal media….. the economy tanking, high unemployment, etc., that someone, somewhere, is going to break and break bigtime. Something akin to the climategate leaks that broke the entire fraud wide open. Think about it….Climategate was a monumental fraud perpetuated by people spanning the entire globe. Trillions of dollars and ultimate power were involved. Talk about dangerous! Yet somebody had the absolute courage to break it wide open!
The tension is palpable and you can almost smell the “stench” in the air.
Obama and his sickening ilk are mere puppets and soon we will see the end of their treacherous tale. America has never surrendered! There always seems to be a “divine” intervention (a sudden twist of fate) that has kept this great country victorious in her battles.
I pray for LTC Terry Lakin and his family and I admire his courage to stand up to his convictions. Remain vigilant folks and stay on guard.
Our time is coming!
Pieter Nosworthy………………………………………
ARE you now or have you ever been a commissioned officer in any US military service? There are certain words in your text that seem to imply that you have never been in any of our services. LTC Lakin by himself decided that his OATH as an OFFICER COMPELLED him to REFUSE TO OBEY A COMMAND WHICH HE BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN ISSUED BY AN ILLEGAL CINC. LAKIN NOR ANY OTHER OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO OBEY SUCH AN ORDER. FURTHER IT IS THE DUTY OF AN OFFICER TO REFUSE TO OBEY SUCH AN ORDER. YES HE IS UP AGAINST A “KANGEROO”COURT,BUT IN THE SAME VANE SOETORO CANNOT CONTINUE TO PROSECUTE OUR MILITARY OFFICERS WITHOUT BRINGING VERY INTENSE SCRUTINY UPON HIMSELF……..PERHAPS EVEN RETRIBUTION.
Constitutional Crisis in the Garden State
Christie refused to reappoint Jersey supreme court justice John E. Wallace. It is totally within his rights as governor not to reappoint a justice, but it has never previously happened in New Jersey history.
In response, the chief justice, Stuart Rabner, a Democrat, not only blasted Christie’s move to nominate a new justice for the court — he appointed a justice of his own as an interim one …. not clearly within his constitutional rights.
http://tinyurl.com/3ypp64r
So now it appears liberal judges want to decide which judges can serve on a court.
Pieter Nosworthy | December 12, 2010 at 1:49 pm |
What oldsalt79 | December 12, 2010 at 1:33 pm | said.
He’s forcing the issue , this ain’t going to go away .
These people are going to find out pretending that he is the President isn’t going to stand .
Salty79,
I have the distinct pleasure of never being a commissioned officer. It has been my goal and singular purpose to matter and have consequence in the realm of military service.
Feel free to call me “First Sergeant”.
LTC Lakin was wrong to pursue his convictions through CM. LTC Lakin was right to have doubts as to the eligibility of his CIC. If he had requested guidance from an NCO, perhaps he could fight the good fight on firmer ground.
1SG Nosworthy
Good campaign bunper sticker for 2012.
“Obama, America’s First and Last Communist President”
Is Mc NEARNEY AND RETIRED GENERAL CURRY ATTENDING lAKIN’S COURT CASE??? Be great if they has several Retired Generals there!!
Orly has numerous military clients,be great if many could attend,think she has 160 military as clients!!!!!
CW @ 1:32 p.m.
Here are two examples of those “Black Americans having better sense”:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2010/12/two-prominent-black-georgia-democrats-bolt-party-to-join-gop/
Or more accurately, have COME to their senses.
citizenwells @ 1:32 pm |
Thank you CW-this is why the South Side of Chicago is in the pitiful shape that it is today along with other cities scattered around the nation. The cities ignited during the 60’s never to be re-built again. Businesses left never to return, drug dealers and gang-bangers moved in. The most innocent got punished along with the guilty. I don’t know about other cities but the South Side has so few remaining intact buildings I don’t what may remain to “burn”. You are correct most of my fellow Black Americans do have better sense plus the women and children some of which are babies could use a roof over their heads.
“Any attempt to burn this country by people of any color will be met with a force exceeding “hell hath no fury.”
You do not speak for all Black Americans.
Most have better sense.”
Here is another Black American with better sense. Very inspirational!
I’m beginning to think Obama has more stories than Scheherazade and she had a lot. Obama to Judge/Congress/Anyone in general-you don’t believe my current fictions, I have lots more tales to spin. The lies are one set of troubles, but now you can add tons of cover-ups, attempts at cover-ups-this is beyond Watergate territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Thousand_and_One_Nights
One Thousand and One Nights (Arabic: كتاب ألف ليلة وليلة Kitāb ‘alf layla wa-layla; Persian: هزار و یک شب Hezār-o yek šab) is a collection of Middle Eastern and South Asian stories and folk tales compiled in Arabic during the Islamic Golden Age. It is often known in English as the Arabian Nights, from the first English language edition (1706), which rendered the title as The Arabian Nights’ Entertainment.[1]
Pieter Nosworthy…………………………
Are you implying that you were a FIRST SEARGENT? That is fine and if true I salute you for your service. Exactly when did you serve? Just for background ,I began my military involvement in 1949,in our Indiana National Guard. When the Korean war began I requested active duty in the US Navy. Entered in 1951,and honorably discharged in 1955. While in I attended UDT special training . That is as far as I can legally go. I am still bound to silence even though 58 years has passed in the interim. In short,I was trained to help extricate downed or ditched pilots out of their aircraft. It was sometimes stomach wrenching to see the condition of these pilots. A few were already dead by the time we were able to get to them. What did you do with regard to your service? Did you confront the enemy,on his own turf?
I think Herman Cain would be a great candidate for President. Herman is a Sagittarius like me-Happy Birthday Herman. I think Bill Clinton should have talked to Herman before he tried to tackle health care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain
Herman Cain (born December 13, 1945) is an American newspaper columnist, businessman, politician, and radio talk-show host from Georgia. He is best known as the former chairman and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza. Cain’s newspaper column is distributed by North Star Writers Group. He currently lives in the Atlanta suburbs.
On September 24, 2010, Cain announced that he was prayerfully considering a run for President in 2012 on the Republican ticket.[7]
The Clintons would later blame “Harry and Louise,” the fictional couple in the ads aired by the insurance industry, for undermining health reform. But the real saboteurs are named Herman and John. Herman Cain is the president of Godfather’s Pizza and president-elect of the National Restaurant Association. An articulate black entrepreneur, Cain transformed the debate when he challenged Clinton at a town meeting in Kansas City, Mo., last April. Cain asked the president what he was supposed to say to the workers he would have to lay off because of the cost of the “employer mandate.” Clinton responded that there would be plenty of subsidies for small businessmen, but Cain persisted. “Quite honestly, your calculation is inaccurate,” he told the president. “In the competitive marketplace it simply doesn’t work that way.”[2]
With respect to JJ Jones threats, if Obama is removed it will be because of his corruption and ineligibility (that he hid in plain sight), not because of “birthers”. Secondly, if JJ Jones threats come to fruition what will mostly likely occur is that they will burn down their own communities like they have done so many times in the past. Makes no sense.
Sir William, here is Neil Sankey’s investigative material.
Neil Sankey – Barack Obama Addresses & SS Numbers
The person who generated the list of names, addresses, and SSNs is Mr. Neil Sankey, a … policeman who’s now a licensed private investigator in Los Angeles.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/20976501 – Cached
Salty,
I’m still serving…which as you can imagine has been troubling since the 08 election. And, no, I’m not a door kicker. Been support all of my career…combat medic and later an avionics mechanic on rotorwing aircraft.
Seen interesting times in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Philipines.
Thank you for your service to this wonderful and special Republic which has never been seen in human history and, if allowed by the enemies of the Constitution, will never be seen again.
-Noz
Hey Pieter…………………………….
What makes you believe that a NON COMMISSIONED OFFICER (NCO) can better represent LTC LAKIN. I am not completely sure that a NON COM would even be allowed to represent him. But I hasten to add that many of today’s lawyers could easily have once been non coms themselves. It would seem to me that the qualifying factor would largely be in his/her established legal competence, and experience in the UCMJ. Perhaps even a little of the ARMY regs thrown in as well. I can’t shake the feeling that Lakin is being treated as he is in part because he is only a STAFF officer. He is not necessarily looked upon in the same light as a LINE officer. Sometimes there is a pre existing hostility between these officers. LDOs were shamelessly chastised often,and for even very small mistakes on their part, by their Academy Graduate counterparts. I hope that this has turned around. WOs don’t need that sort of crap.
Salty,
No one in uniform can properly challenge the POTUS through CM. Period. Commissioned or NCO has nothing to do with it. I’m just saying NCOs are smarter, better looking, and actually make the Armed Forces function as advertised.
-Noz
Paxson…………………..
I once lived in Brooklyn NY, and I have travelled extensively through the Greater Chicago area,and in both areas,one thing is clear,the places IN WHICH these people live are so RAT INFESTED, and otherwise in such a state of disrepair that if they were to burn down their own neighborhoods they would actually be doing the cities a service. It would save the cities the cost of DEMOLISHING the rat nests.
Pieter………………………..
In our Navy it has long been the concensus that the CPO runs the Navy,and everybody else are ADMINISTRATERS. I respectfully exclude the NON COM WARRANTS, or even CWOs for that matter. I sort of see them as the WORKING CLASS.
Pieter………………………….
In civilian life we refer to choppers as ROTARY wing. But what the hell rotary, or simply rotor,they both do the same thing. I just thought I would be remiss if I didn’t say something. Actually I used to be much better at terrorising barmaids,instead of comparing words.
oldsalt79 @ 3:16 pm |
Old salt that is something I never understood, I was in the suburbs but my cousins lived in the city, near South Side but not in the crime ridden part. We used to walk very far away from the buildings because they looked like they would fall down any minute. I used to ask my cousins why don’t they just tear them down, nobody ever had a good answer. Between the rat problem and the criminal elements as far as I know that is all they are used for. It’s not that City of Chicago couldn’t use some parking. I wonder if these poor old buildings somehow survived the first Chicago Fire (Mrs. O’ Leary’s cow) they always looked ancient to me. Off to library.
Salty,
Fortunatley, motorcycles and helicopters will always be cool. I don’t care what folks call them. Choppers are a throwback to the Huey, and aircraft that beat the air into submission to attain flight.
Again, thanks for your hard days of service way back when.
The topic is Lakin, though. I appreciate the public lionizing him and respecting his conviction…it is sad that many do not realize he FAILED on several counts; abrogation of Duty on grounds not his to determine, challenge in a venue not conducive to for question, and set the wrong example to the rank and file during time of war.
My opinion.
-Noz
It is obvious, the Federal Courts and now the military have dog-faced the American Citizen Patriot Soldiers of this Nation. Past and present, its stand in line and get shot in the head. As every Officer takes the Oath of Enlistment and the Officers Enlistment, it is there were the Court fails to balance its justification. In enlistment or by appointment to the Armed Services. Lt.Col. Lakin’s defence is to his actions and the military’s admitted neglect to recognizes the call to arms and to hasten to the cannon fire. Its baudish claims of protocol are in themselves court-martial offences. If they are willing to bleed for this fraud, then let them. If, Lt.Col. Lakin’s superiors can claim military protocol, then the Uniform Code of Military Justice should turn the cannon for the many countless millions who would prefer justice to tyranny. For over two years running the American citizens and former military have sounded the alarm and now an active military soldier. It is neglect of Lt.Col. Lakin’s superiors and not the neglect of Lt.Col. Lakin to preform his duties. Without justification of protocol within the military there is no authority of the military to court-martial. 883. ART. 83. FRAUDULENT ENLISTMENT, APPOINTMENT, OR SEPARATION
Any person who–
(1) procures his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for the enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder; or
(2) procures his own separation from the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his eligibility for that separation; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
884. ART. 84. UNLAWFUL ENLISTMENT, APPOINTMENT, OR SEPARATION
Any person subject to this chapter who effects an enlistment or appointment in or a separation from the armed forces of any person who is known to him to be ineligible for that enlistment, appointment, or separation because it is prohibited by law, regulation, or order shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
Anybody check out my latest?
http://thenaturalbornpresidency.blogspot.com/2010/12/problematic-cic-and-lowly-nco.html
-Noz
Pieter………………………
When I began my military involvement,the M1 was still the standard rifle issued to infantry personell. I quickly discovered that it had a very lethal action that could turn a thumb into a very painful,throbbing, and purple green coloration in less than a second. The rifle was 9.6lbs, and on the grinder became a deadweight to excersise with, to the tune that the DI chose to yell. or otherwise invoke the 16 count manual of arms. I dsid however manage to qualify it at 144. Not exactly 180, but still good enough to provide an enemy a new anus at 300 yds. The M16 has really changed things. Of all the NEW equipment I still like the M 107 the best. It is sometimes known as the Barrett M82. If I was an infantryman today I would take along a lot of M18s,(Claymores) and the four banger LAW.in addition to a good old M1 rifle.
James…I am a bit confused. Are you saying that Obama is guilty to begin with for procuring his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for the enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder?
It would make sense to believe… obama voted president, thence appointed CIC. So he knowingly and falsely represented himself. And he has deliberately concealed the evidence.
Or am i missunderstanding your post?
Salty,
Believe it or not, the military is returning to the old ways. The M4/M16 and the 5.56 lacks the punch of the M1/M14. Same can be said for the 9mm M9 compared to stopping power of the 1911.
Who says new is better? Albeit there are some weapon systems being fielded that a simply unbelievable compared to any era (i.e. M320 and XM25).
-Noz
James…………………………..
Until the top echelon brass decide to side with the UCMJ with regard to prosecuting their own people, and STOP siding with a SUSPECTED ILLEGAL CINC will we ever have any clarification as to the truth. I am personally sickened by what is happening. While to a point I agree with Pieter, I also recognise that LTC Lakin has his own mind,and I believe that he weighed his options,found that there was a far more importatnt reason for him to refuse to obey the orders given him. I still think,and I will always think that somebody will always fall to the first shots fired,but successive firing will be more intelligently directed, and with any luck at all the defendants in subsequent Courts Martials will prevail,and the enemy will end up as a DEFENDANT HIMSELF,or as the case could easily be…..herself.
Honor First………………………..
First of all the CINC is NOT a member of the military. He is the civilian counterpart . While he does command the Military,he is NOT subject to the UCMJ. He is a civilian! The UCMJ is the law of the military only.
“Video: Again, Saturday Night Live pokes fun at Obama’s eligibility to be president. In the opening skit “Obama” addresses the nation about his recent “hostage” situation with Republican leaders and the tax cut extensions. At the end of the skit, “Obama” says; “Now, in closing, let me reassure you that however long it takes, this nation’s current troubles will pass because you Americans never have and never will give up. I say you Americans because even though I always thought I was born here, lately I’ve begun to have my doubts.””
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/snl-goes-birther-again-i-say-you.html
Salt,
You’re right and wrong. The CIC is a member of the military but, as you say, not subject to UCMJ. As the National Command Authority, the sole civilian entitled to direct members of the Armed Forces, he/she is entitled to the obedience that all members are by Duty obligated.
Wierd, but true.
-Noz
Pieter…………………OT…
In the early 1960s I had an opportunity to buy a brand new never issued M1 Garand rifle. Not knowing what I would ever do with it I bought it for a paltry, $350.00. Today the same rifle is commanding well over $1500.00. I have had a few offers for it. But I just enjoy doing the cleaning takedown and oiling process. I sit out on my deck which is on the South side of my home , and clean my M1 to my hearts content. Nostalgia!!!!!!!
By the way I also own a Winchester Super Model 70. This rifle is one of only a few that were ever made. Most were chambered for .416 which was also a one time Holland and Holland round. My rifle is chambered for .458 Winchester.
CIC is not a member of the Military. Top of the Military COC must be civilian .
otherwise you would have a military junta or something.
citizenwells | December 12, 2010 at 1:32 pm |
A commenter by the name of jj jones just sent the following:
“A lakin’s life will be ruined over it and you birthers will be still be on first base.
pitiful losers you are.
seriously though, anyone tries to remove Obama and I promise you we black americans will burn the country to the ground.
don’t test us.”
__________________________________________
ms.helga | December 12, 2010 at 11:23 am |
Cabby-AZ – Given the two choices :
1. The NBC factor
2. The X Factor
They will choose the NBC. One is a kilo ton bomb and the other is a Mega ton Bomb
CW – “jj jones” belongs to The X Factor side.
Lame Cherry seems to agree with my Boehner assessment, as next POTUS (perhaps in the hiatus before Palin):
“I do suppose though when John Boehner is Speaker, that when Mr. Obama according to the Pelosi certification files is proven undocumented, that America would in the succession of power actually have John Boehner being President………..and then for the first time there would be someone darker in the White House than the Obama’s.”
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/12/shades-of-boehner.html
OldSalt, Pieter and Army D.A.V. thanks for the clarification. So then, my question is what was James referring to in his post?
Hi,Everyone – I just got back home and have been enjoying and stimulated by the posts, especially Old Salt and Pieter Nosworthy, as they discuss the military.
For some time it has been my opinion (from my non-military background) that the good Lt. Col. Lakin may have not received the best legal advice in the beginning. My feeling is that he should have mounted a defense around what he knew to be provable re. Obama’s origins and not tried to obtain discovery, which we have since found out, was bound to fail in the court martial proceedings, what with Judge Lind and her insistence that orders come from the Pentagon and not from the CiC. That position seems completely irrational and untrue and surely must be weight enough against her to eventually seek HER removal as a judge.
Perhaps this week we will have to accept the seldom considered fact that “a bad thing can turn out to be good if it gets bad enough.” In others words, this matter may have to get worse before it can get better.
Honor,
Best I can tell, James went through the articles specified in the MCM and discovered one that pertains to fraudulent enlistment…which is not even remotely applicable to the POTUS. In fact, nothing in the UCMJ is applicable to the CIC unless it has to do with the nature of lawful orders or those entitled to give them.
My two cents.
-Noz
ms.helga | December 12, 2010 at 11:23 am |
Cabby-AZ – Given the two choices :
1. The NBC factor
2. The X Factor
They will choose the NBC. One is a kilo ton bomb and the other is a Mega ton Bomb
*********************************
Ms. Helga, sometimes my imagination factor is a little slow (I tend to be too literal- Ha) – Are you saying that if it were found out that Obama’s true father was Malcolm X, that this would cause more of an upheaval than the lack of NBC status? Therefore, the PTB would opt for a breach of the NBC requirement to avoid the “Mega ton Bomb”? Weigh in if I’ve gotten it wrong.
To see how much the MSM is burying the LTC Lakin trial I googled the “news” section with “LTC Lakin + court martial” and got this measley 17 articles –
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=LTC+Lakin+%2B+court+martial
With whatever intimidation the presence of retired generals might provide to MMMMSSSS.LIND, it is doubtful that their presence will change anything……………But it isn’t what goes on as much as what is RECORDED exactly as it is said. Then it needs only to be certified by the RECORDER, and it cannot be tampered with or changed,by ANYONE including the POTUS. Sadly people like MMMSSS.LIND can,and probably will refuse to allow even incontrovertible evidence to be introduced.I still believe that while he could lose the battle he will ultimately win the war, along with his many counterparts who have brought suits that have been dismissed by Obama supporting judges. None of it will be reconciled overnight, but in the end the law does prevail. I am now 79 years of age,and I pray that I will live to see Soetoro brought down by legal means. Even if it is only at the ballot box.
HonorFirst | December 12, 2010 at 5:08 pm | OldSalt, Pieter and Army D.A.V. thanks for the clarification. So then, my question is what was James referring to in his post?
********************
All authority comes from the Constitution , the Military has no authority to conduct anything under an Indonesian usurper, including war, all unlawful orders .
Generals traded in their stars for bucks , going for the Nuremberg Defense .
“CDR Charles Kerchner provides an excellent explanation of how the Obama birth announcement could be placed in the Hawaii newspapers without Obama being born in HI.
“His grandmother mailed in a form to the birth register in Hawaii, simply stated that Barry was born at home. This way Barry got his citizenship. Later, the birth register printed out registered births for the previous week and sent it to the newspapers. GIGO.”
https://citizenwells.com/2010/12/12/obama-birth-announcement-not-proof-of-hi-birth-form-mailed-in-hawaii-dept-of-health-notified-newspaper/
Pieter………………….Ref..5:16 PM.
Right on bud.
OT, but important:
AP Enterprise: FAA loses track of 119,000 aircraft
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101210/ap_on_bi_ge/us_misplaced_planes
****************
This is serious business. Records for 1/3 of the 357,000 private and commercial aircraft in the U.S. are missing. F stand for Federal. Then we expect the Federal government to administer ObamaCare and handle our lives?
Cabby-AZ – Exactly. I lived through that era that unfortunately our younger Americans know nothing about, OR TAUGHT ABOUT.
Thanks Army D.A.V. Now I see.
As I stated in earlier comments,the more of our officers,and elisted personell that Soetoro ILLEGALLY prosecutes the more intense the scrutiny of himself will become. I think that sooner or later somebody of authority is going to realise what can happen to them for supporting treason,and he/she is going to get scared enough that they will tell the entire story…….of course in secret,in a judge’s chambers, and with only a bonded recorder present to get the testimony WORD FOR WORD. This is what is sorely need now with regard to MMMSSS.FUKINO, and MMMSSS. OKUBO. We already have the testimony recorded of Mr.Adams,who worked at the HDOH.
My last two cents…LTC Lakin had every right to question and none whatsoever to act upon. Doubt is not grounds for disobedience, if somehow he were privy to a TRUTH unequivocable then he would be absolutely righteous.
Last I heard, only Congress or the DC court can make that determination.
Sounds to me that he might have exceeded his pay grade…or has magic powers nearing prophetic that can determine such truths.
Meh. He’s a Soldier and lives in the same fog as the rest of us, as such is obligated to fufill his Duty to obey the orders of President.
Imagine Private Shmetlab seeing a Colonel behaving as he does on the grounds given…see the problem?
-Noz
>>>Only Congress or the DC court can relieve a sitting President. His actions are reflection that he KNOWS that his CIC is ineligible…something he can’t possibly have. Mere doubt is not grounds for abrogating Duty, especially during time of war.
Yours most respectfully,
1SG Nosworthy<<<
Pieter Nosworthy,
Forgive me if I think your statement is well…..bogus. Lt. Col. Larkin NEVER asked the POTUS to be removed. He asked if he had a legal order to deploy oversees. Should I be incorrect here, please educate me at what time this Lt. Col Lakin asked, demanded, or otherwise stated that the CIC be removed in any of his legal briefs or discussions.
The question this man asked was if he had a legal order. He is OBLIGATED, and ACCOUNTABLE to follow only a order that is legal. So the question isn't if Obama shouldn't be POTUS. The request was NEVER to have Obama removed. Nope, this Marine ONLY ASKED IF THE ORDER TO DEPLOY WAS LEGAL.
My problem with your statement, is that you intentionally mislead people by making a statement that is absolutely false, then try to accuse this man of 'dereliction of duty in time of war'. I call that Bogus!
You make false statements and assumptions, and build guilt of this person based upon that, basically calling him a coward. Why? Why not ask why the Joint Chiefs, Congress, and YOU can't answer a simple question if this Lt. Col. order was legal?
Next year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address occur on the same day.As someone pointed out, “It is an ironic juxtaposition of events: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog.”
Well, Pete,
You must be pretty smart to be able to parse realities;
1. I will not deploy due to the fact I believe my CIC lacks the authority give me an order.
2. I am not challenging the actual authority of the President due to my lack of concrete knowledge on the matter.
So, he acted on mere doubt. Can we agree on this? Do you consider this sufficient for a complete breakdown of military discipline?
Yeah, me neither.
-Noz
Pete | December 12, 2010 at 5:51 pm |
Asking for IT to produce his paper work is in fact demanding his removal, indictment , he doesn’t have the correct paper work, remember ?? .
>>>Pieter Nosworthy,
My last two cents…LTC Lakin had every right to question and none whatsoever to act upon. Doubt is not grounds for disobedience, if somehow he were privy to a TRUTH unequivocable then he would be absolutely righteous.
Last I heard, only Congress or the DC court can make that determination.<<
You have a right to your two pennies. LTC Lakin has an OBLIGATION to question (Marine Corp Code), and an obligation to act or not act (Marine Corp Code). He questioned, and was denied an answer, so he made a decision not to be a 'war criminal'. He took the risk, knew what it was. Now those whom didn't answer need to 'make their pay grade' and provide the evidence that he was 'mistaken'. Many years from now, these events will stand as a stark reminder to the insanity of a cover-up for people whom didn't do their jobs for political reasons, and left a good man behind.
Hey Pete,
Check it out…I’m happily obeying the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, am I a war criminal?
If the POTUS is a usurper, then relieve him of his duties. Is that too much to ask?
Go stand on your congressman’s desk and scream bloody murder on our behalf…or is that inconvenient with your tight schedule of cheetos and blogging?
-Noz
>>So, he acted on mere doubt. Can we agree on this? Do you consider this sufficient for a complete breakdown of military discipline?
Yeah, me neither.
-Noz<<<
Let me get this right. You consider that he is a threat to military discipline because he asked if his orders were legal and he received no answer. I really hate to point this out to you, but your attempting to preserve something that no longer exists!! The discipline would have started when he asked the question and they gave him a legitimate answer, as they were required to do. Thus, your defending something called 'military discipline' that was the VERY FIRST THING that was tossed in this dispute. Like you said, it wasn't his job to vet the POTUS, it's above his paygrade.
Pete
Pieter Nosworthy | December 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm |
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”
HonorFirst | December 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm |
Next year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address occur on the same day.As someone pointed out, “It is an ironic juxtaposition of events: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication, while the other involves a groundhog.
*************************************
For a minute there I thought you were going to insult the ground hog.
To NOZ and Old Salt…..
I have read your blogs here with great interest….may I chime in?
First let me give my military background as reference…I started as a private…rose in ranks to SFC (SgtFirstClass0…then decided I wanted to be an officer…went to “Benning School for Boys” (that’s army talk for Officer Training School) on the Chattachoocee river at Ft. Benning, Georgia..was commissioned a Second Lt of Infantry..I have served in line positions in six different Combat Divisions plus the Berlin Brigade in a variety of leadership positions. I have jump wings, ranger tab, and a combat infantryman’s badge…3 tours in Nam with a 5 man American team advising Vietnam infantry soldiers on how to fight their war, and fighting and bleeding along side of them.
I retired with over 26 years of active service, and loved every moment I spent commanding some of the finest fighting men our country has ever produced….who in my opinion never received the thanks they should have from the people of America.
LET IT BE SAID LOUDLY HERE AND NOW THAT THE AMERICAN SOLDIER DID NOT LOOSE THE VIETNAM WAR…THE DAMN POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON GAVE IT AWAY! Over 58, 600 names are on a black grante wall in Washington, if their voices could speak for themselves, all would tell you what I have just written above.
With that out of the way… let me say I took an oath as an officer to “SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC”.
NO WHERE in my officers oath did I commit myself to “blindly support the president, or support anyone pretending to be the president, or any person NOT qualified according to our Constitution to be the president.
I was in Vietnam when Lt. Calley and Capt. Medina got into all that trouble over the Me Lye incident. Their excuse was; they were “only following orders”. That was a terrible dark day in the Army’s history. At that time in our history in Vietnam, the Army was being micro- managed right down to squad level. We had 2 star general’s flying in their helicopters over combat actions on the ground giving orders without really knowing the situation units were facing….this was very bad leadership.
Nevertheless, as an officer, I have always known I have NO responsibility what so ever to follow an UNLAWFUL order. That’s how Calley and Medina got into trouble.
Secondly, the CHAIN OF COMMAND does go all the way up the ladder to the President of the United States in his role as COMMANDER IN CHIEF. That snotty nosed military judge that said Ltc. Larkin’s Chain of Command ends at the Pentagon needs to go back and refresh herself on the “chain of command” or get the hell out of the Army!.
Like it or not…Obama is at the top of that Chain…and he damn well better be able to prove he meets the requirements according to our Constitution! A lot of brave solder’s lives depend on that.
If the President is NOT qualified according to our CONSTITUTION to be PRESIDENT, then he is also not qualified to be the Commander-in-Chief.
NO OFFICER is obligated or required to take orders from a Commander in Chief who cannot, or will not legally document his right to that position. Obama has proven he can legally document his right to that position. LTC Larkin had a right to question Obama’s citizenship. Ltc Larkin had a DUTY to make his challenge know to the world.
The simple fact that Obama won the general election in 2008 DOES NOT give him the right to rule UNCONSTITUTIONALLY. In fact, the only right he has as a usurper and a fraud is to go directly to jail.
The question is: Did Ltc. Larkin have a right and a duty to refuse deployment based on Obama’s refusal to prove his citizenship? The answer to that question is : YES he did… and all other officers have that same DUTY, …but sadly it appears the officer corps of today’s Army has lost it’s backbone somewhere along the way.
Will Ltc. Larkin be convicted next week? Most likely he will. He will not be facing a fair and impartial Court-Martial…he will be facing a trumped up Kangaroo Court of “made up law”. He has already been told he cannot put on a defense seeking the discovery from Obama that would clear him of all charges, because “it might embarass” the president.
What kind of judicial ruling is that !!! A brave officer has stepped forward when all others are remaing in the shadows, and this “military judge” tells him that what he wants from Obama may “embarass” him by producing it! That legal response goes beyond the pail…or understanding.
But there is light at the end of the tunnel….. Immediately upon his conviction, he will be the ONLY man in AMERICA that will have PROVEN AND DAMAGES that will meet a “standing requirement” in any county of the world.
If the Supreme Court refuses to hear an appeal from him…then we better all start packing our bags for exit from this country because we will know sure that our CONSTITUTION has no meaning or value any more.
Many eyes and ears will be tuned to Ft. Meade next week…Ltc Larkin will be in the prayers of all…he is a brave man for doing what any officer who has taken an oath should be doing. Were I still an active “officer of the line” my DUTY to county tells me that I would be standing along side of him in this court martial next week.
Pieter Nosworthy,
>>Hey Pete,
Check it out…I’m happily obeying the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, am I a war criminal?<<<
I don't know if your a war criminal. Do I think it could be used against you if you were captured? Yes! Do I think it would be an excuse to treat you outside the Genova Convention? Yes! Do I believe that those enemies oversees care about those sorts of things anyway (rights of captured soldiers). No. I understand that reality, but believe when we ask/expect people to stick their necks out for us that they have some chance at being treated as military if everything goes wrong. Finally, sooner or later it ALWAYS goes wrong.
BTW, I think that Lt. Col Lakin took a big one for you, as he clearly did more than just talk to a Congressperson.
Now back to my cheetos.
Pete
correction: read in” HAS NOT proven his right to that position.
ms.helga | December 12, 2010 at 5:37 pm |
Cabby-AZ – Exactly. I lived through that era that unfortunately our younger Americans know nothing about, OR TAUGHT ABOUT.
*********************
I hear you, ms. helga! I did, too, live through that era.
RMinNC | December 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm |
To NOZ and Old Salt…..
I have read your blogs here with great interest….may I chime in?
*************************
RM, what a wonderful, inspiring essay! I believe you 100% when it comes to Lt. Col. Lakin’s right to insist he be sure of the CiC’s eligibility.
First of all, you know whereof you speak, having been a career military man and an officer also.
Secondly, you share the same passion as most of here do, except yours, along with Army DAV and Old Salt, is at a higher level than that of us non-military folks, because you all are a band of brothers. We sincerely salute you and pray for Lt. Col. Lakin’s welfare!!
Pieter Nosworthy | December 12, 2010 at 6:06 pm |
Hey d.ckwad. Thank you for you service. However, the simple information that Lakin has requested should have been readily available under the Freedom of Information Act. He wasn’t asking for classified information. The fact that it has been hidden tells us all that our Usurper in Chief is hiding something. Lakin went through the proper channels and the information that he requested should have been given to him and us all upon request.
What type of country do you want to live in? A place where a person can have his entire history hidden from view and become President of the United States of America? Because that is where we are at.
I haven’t had a chance to listen to this yet, although I will. If they are knocking Boehner for shedding tears, when what’s the damn problem? Anyone should be able to shed tears if they take a hard look at our nation, and I don’t give a crap who you are.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20025417-10391709.html
Anyone who sees their country going up in smoke, when once it was a decent nation, should be shedding tears.
Generally Speaking in brief,
The U.S. Military Officer holds a substantive difference in questioning whether or not orders are legitimate vs. an NCO. One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers DOES NOT include any provision to “obey orders”; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.
Furthermore, from the Officers Oath in delta differences states, in part.. “I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” from the NCO Oath, in part…”that I will obey the orders of the “”President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ..
No Officer in the U.S. Military is “Obligated” under oath, to obey any order of any current sitting President, rather the officer is bound to obey and support the U.S. Constitution solely. The same cannot be said by an NCO.
The Nuremburg Trials taught the world military officers a highly vital lesson of not questioning orders, and subsequently Hung to death for such Non-action. No NCO during the Nuremburg trials was ever tried for the same, and rightfully so.
Lastly, LTC. Lakin has NEVER asked for the “Removal” of the current sitting President of the United States, legally sitting or not. Rather LTC. Lakin has “Questioned” whether his orders are are legitimate via meeting the U.S. Constitutional requirements. In fact, no legal suit in the past or currently pending has ever asked for a District, Federal, Appellate or U.S. Supreme Court to “Remove” the President.
As one poster mentioned previously, this constitutional requirement is a requirement of the Congress and Senate of which is correct. However, no one has ever asked the Judicial system for such ridiculous notion.
just saying, in short.
kittycat77 ——
Saw your comment:
“I’m not privy to Obama File anymore. …”
=======
“The Obama File Archive is an open website that documents the life and times of Barack Hussein Obama II. … The “Subscribers” section is for members only. The rest of the archive and the forum is available to all researchers and interested persons.”
Archive:
http://www.theobamafile.com/index.html
——-
Forum:
http://theobamafileforum.lefora.com/
SirWilliam | December 12, 2010 at 7:33 pm |
The U.S. Military Officer holds a substantive difference in questioning whether or not orders are legitimate vs. an NCO.
___________________________________________________
Sir William, you have heard me make this argument before and I have always been the biggest skeptic, along with Free Speech, regarding the fact that our system is currently working. I still want to believe this. However, I don’t particularly like the tonality of this new person. Lakin is drawing a line in the stand, as the information that he has requested should fall under FOIA. Perhaps this is where the Supreme Court is going, FOIA (I’m sure that you have been reading about SCOTUS and the cases revolving around Obama’s assault on the Act). It is important not to set precendent that will be abused by the anti-Americans in the future.
Gordo, and all, in case you don’t already have it bookmarked, if you need research material, or to check a fact, this archive comes in handy.
http://69.84.25.250/blogger/archive.aspx
HonorFirst, Oldsalt79 – The military judge has denied Lt.Col. Lakin his right to discovery of Obama’s bonafides as to his defence. Still as to defence, the military must now proof that Obama’s appointment as CIC has no bearing on Lt.Col. Lakins enlistment within the Armed Services. And so. Judge Lind states the orders were legal within the protocol of the Armed Services. So it is the protocol that it is for Lt.Col. Lakins superiors to determine as Lt.Col. Lakin has stated that the appointment of CIC was fraudulent, according to the Constitution. Nevertheless, this would be an embarrassment of protocol. As the Judge is aware that the current protocol determines a known enlistment, as to an unknown appointment (Obama), she herself would be found in deraliction of duty, not to support a known enlistment as to that of a proported fraudulant appointment within the Armed Services. Lt.Col. Lakin’s defence consel should move to a complete dismissal of all charges, should not the military move to an investigation of the fraudulant appointment. Justice vs. Tyranny
Paxson,
I once called into the Liddy Gordon show and when I mentioned the differences in the Military Oath of office between a Officer and an NCO.
Shortly after, an NCO called in and Stated there is “Absolutely” NO differences in their oaths….
Not only does it show such blatant “Ignorance” and constitutional reasoning for inserting a difference by congress when established, but the arrogance from which claims were made with pure lack of historical and legal mentality of “Why” they are different.
just saying.
I remember reading or hearing, that when LTC Lakin was asked for his Birth Certificate (after previously producing it) is when he decided to opt out of his orders. I wonder if he produced an “online” version or a questionable copy of anything to document his identity would that have been accepted by the military? Is there any documentation that he needs at the trial that he could try to submit as evidence. Why doesn’t he photocopy his military ID when he enters the court martial. If they question the validity of a photocopy, then voila….checkmate.
A stretchy, wishful thought, but that is ALL we’ve gotten from Obummer. An online version of a forgery…. are we supposed to accept that?
Paxson,
To add,
Most all of my family (males) served in the U.S. Military. Most were NCO’s and a few Officers. When together, they “josh” each other about job duties and responsibilities. Its quite funny at times. My Uncle, who is a retired U.S. Army Sergent Major gives them all the most “hell”. As he always stated, which is true, he would never salute any officer unless a Major or above. His attitude, F**k um, it takes an Act of Congress to remove my ass. And of course, my cousins and others which were Master Sergent’s and high ranking NCO’s from the Navy, all enjoy the round table agreements they are better than and know more than any officer.
Is this the reason the current poster “Wishes” LTC. Lakin should have sought advice from an NCO? Who knows. I cannot speak for him, but he sounds like my Uncle and Cousins.. quite humorous.
Of course, from those that were officers, such as my father, disagree. It is quite the family gathering during holidays.
Just saying.
If Malcolm X was his father and SA durham is not his mother,as Ihave read a few months ago, when he became involved with Ayers ,Davis——and worked for the CIA—the Commie infiltrated CIA—-OBAMA’S RECORDS ARE ”CLASSIFIED”. Since they wanted him to help Soros destroy the USA,THEY GAVE THE EXCUSE-THEY WOULD ENDANGER THE NATIONALSECURITY OF THE USA.
As i wrote before ,somewhere—this conspiracy story is so “CONVOLUTED”THAT I PERSONALLY DO NOT THINK WE IN OUR LIFETIMES WILLEVER “KNOW THE FULL STORY” —BUT FOR A COUPLE OF WHISTLEBLOWERS—-that finally found their conscious in the CIA and blow the ”BLOW THE ROOF OFF SOMEDAY”!!!
Possible,yes —–probable, no,in “MY OPINION”. I BELIEVE THE INSIDER from “NEWSFLAVOR”–SAID ——-WATCH “CHICAGO” !
Keep your eyes on Chicago–that may be our “ANSWER” !
‘
Sir William…..
Ltc Larkin had no reason to seek the advice of any NCO before doing what he did….after 18 years as a commissioned officer, he knew exactly what he was doing.
and by the way….that Sgt Major uncle of yours was lower in rank than the lowest commissioned officer… a second Lt. I seriously doubt he ignored saluting an officer lower in rank than a Major, but if you say so, I take your word for it, and so be it……but had your uncle been in one of the units I commanded, he sure would have rendered a salute to ALL officers regardless of their rank, or the Sergeant Major and I would have had a serious chat.
Just protocol….
Anne Marie,
I for one simply do not buy into the Malcolm X was his father theory, nor more than I buy into Obama is a direct descendant of George Washington, which is next.
ANNE MARIE | December 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm |
Why do you keep bringing up the Malcolm X theory? Sure there is a chance,given the the timelines of all parties invovled, and I won’t discount it, but the fact of the matter is that we don’t know squat about Obama. Unless you have new facts, bringing it up over and over again makes us all look like complete nutjobs. It is one of a thousand theories, all of which are plausible. But you are here for nefarious reasons, in my opinion.
Did anyone see this website;
http://octaman.com/comments/malcolmo.html—-click 1st site
In support of my previous blog,this may be interesting to you. In leiu of all the “PHOTO-SHOPPED” pictures we have seen—–doesn”t this page make you wonder ? I cannot be sure-neither can anyone,but the members of the “CONSPIRACY” to take over the USA.
”SURE MUST ADMIT THERE’S A “REMARKABLE RESEMBLENCE” !!!
PAXSON 9:07
Never would I bring this up for “NEFARIOUS” reasons. I happen to be a TEA PARTY PATRIOT. I love my country, just as much as you,I REALLY DO.
I will not mention it until i have more reliable sources. BUT please nefarious —-“NEVER”.
THANKS FOR THE REPLY—-TAKE CARE, ANNE MARIE
ANNE MARIE | December 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm |
I’ve seen all of the Malcolm X theories. I find them to be just as plausible as about a thousand others. Getting your teeth stuck into one theory, over another (where there isn’t corraborating documentation) is buying into the misinformation campaign that they use to discredit all of us. For instance, it is apparent that he became an Indonesian citizen as there is corraborating documentation that proves this theory (in the school and mother’s passport records etc). On the other hand there are theories, as with the Malcolm X (while possible), there is nothing concrete. So why keep repeating it? It is meaningless until something tangible ties them together.
RMinNC,
As I said,
The arrogance of differences between an NCO and an Officer. Was I there to question his stance of saluting or not? Of course not. But it begs the point of my original intent of statement. Only an NCO could render the plausible conclusion that a Military Officer would have been better off had they sought advice from them, the NCO.
My father, also stated the exact same thing you just did in the past, “Your highly lucky you were not in my Unit”… ect.. Albeit my father was only a Capt.
Percy Sutton
Paxson @ 9:49 pm |
Somewhere along the line DC got their priorities mixed up. At the top is WE THE PEOPLE then our governing bodies elected by the people in free, fair and honest elections. If any election laws are broken at any level crimes have been committed and should be prosecuted as such. The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches provide for balance of power when operating correctly, legally and honestly. We are a Constitutional Republic-not a dictatorship, oligarchy, or any other fascist type government. The White House, Capitol Building etc., are merely symbols of power they are not power unto themselves. All the power is derived from the people, of the people, for the people and by the people. If DC does not start behaving better very fast 12 is going to be a bigger upset than 10.
Michelle | December 12, 2010 at 10:10 pm |
I know that I’m a grouch sometimes. I am so tired of this whole thing. I just want the levee to break, so to speak. Whatever direction.
The Congress is the only entity that can relieve a sitting President according to the Constitution.
Why don’t ‘we the people’ get it??
HE IS NOT A ‘SITTING’ PRESIDENT….AND NEVER WILL BE DUE TO HIS PARENTAGE. IF IT IS REVEALED THE FRAUD HAS AN AMERICAN FATHER, THE FRAUD CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WAS ADOPTED AND HE HAS DUAL CITIZENSHIP…THE FRAUD HAS NOT PROVEN HE CHANGED HIS NAME; THEREFORE, HE HAS COMMITTED PERJURY FOR YEARS!!
THE FRAUD HAS ALSO VIOLATED THE LOGAN ACT AIDING AND ABETTING CRIMES WITH HIS COUSIN ODINGA!
Learn this; imprint it on your brains.
Paxson @ 10:21 pm |
I agree, if one American questioned his credentials not over 100 million that person as an American should have received a polite, honest answer. Helen of Troy the face that launched a thousand ships, Obama the South Side slum landlord that launched a thousand conspiracy theories when there should be none. Every President back to George Washington we know everything about them, in some cases a lot more than I personally would want to know so how come this guy is exempt-hands-off etc.
Paxson | December 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm |
ANNE MARIE | December 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm |
….”as with the Malcolm X (while possible), there is nothing concrete. So why keep repeating it? It is meaningless until something tangible ties them together.”
____________________________________________
Paxson,
I fully agree with your analogy here. To elaborate slightly, the possibilities for discovery “Outside” the “Known” factors of just who Obama’s father is, becomes highly out of calculable reach. It is my opinion, we go with what is “Known” in accordance to his claims and limited documents as well as personal biography. Prove that to be a lie, then you capture the liar. Try to deviate away from that, and you risk losing yourself in an Ocean of possibilities and never reaching land.
For example. With what I currently know in the several deviated theories, their are 9 different variables in play, (State(s), Countries, Dates, Relationships, ect. ), coupled with 3 levels of factors (Dad1, 2, 3) ect. Not to risk boring anyone to death with Math, but what that simply means is this: Well over 60,000 (Sixty thousand) possible explanations of determination of the correct answer.
Is it best to Catch and prove Obama is a Liar at his own word, and expose his current known records, to show who this guy really is. Or risk throwing out another 59,982 additional theories of “What if”?
just saying; stay the course…
Pieter Nosworthy | December 12, 2010
Hell, Pieter, maybe he’s just our Moses.
No one here professes to know his reasoning…do you??
SirWilliam | December 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm |
“just saying; stay the course…”
__________________________________________________
Yep..that’s all that I am saying. Sometimes I come off the wrong way, but so many people here are just so far outside the scope of reality (and I’m not discounting the possibility of anything). There is plenty of information out there that is provable without wild speculation (again, not that the speculation isn’t plausible).
For instance, we know for a fact that Beau Biden (Joe Biden’s son), the Attorney General of Delaware at the time, (a man who claimed the Barack Obama had oral sex and did cocaine with him) had Larry Sinclair arrested (across state lines) and held him until the day after the Democrat National Convention when he dropped the trumped up charges. This is a fact.
We know for a fact that a Mutual Bank underwriter had a ‘whistleblower’ charge against Mutual Bank for inflating the value of the property that Barack Obama purchased to make sure that Obama’s “loan to value” worked with the loan that Tony Rezko’s wife, Rita’s, land purchase that enabled him to purchase his mansion. We also know that Tony Rezko was essentially broke and recieved his money through Fintrade and Nadmi Auchi while they were working on a power plant deal in Iraq..
…and on …and on…and on. There is too much known information to focus on the “what ifs”. The “what ifs” is their battle plan.
Obama panics…..pressure!!
Ulsterman Report: “What happened during the Clinton – Obama closed door meeting?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2641702/posts
Obama… “Please Resign”
RMinNC…is part of the reluctance to investigate on a military level the repercussions sure to come WHEN the fraud is found to be ineligible due to his dual citizenship?? among the other issues.
A riot of blacks may be the last thing to worry about when Dems discover the truth and Republicans need to find a safe haven also.
Do you really think bill {SLICK WILLY} CLINTON,will now be “NOBAMA’s’assistant -in-chief ? to get back the moderates,PUMA’S and hold his base solid ? Wow,one of them at the podium is certainly enough for me—-two of them ——MY,MY CANNOT STAND IT !!!!!
“DRAFT HILLARY IN 2012”—-IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT ? NEVER,EVER —TRUST A “CLINTON”—“SLICK MAN”!!
If the President is NOT qualified according to our CONSTITUTION to be PRESIDENT, then he is also not qualified to be the Commander-in-Chief.
And in that light, he also can not be removed by CONgress…he isn’t the president.
Anne Marie,
It is not possibly, in my opinion, slick willy Bill Clinton will run on a ticket in 2012 with Obama. When Obama had Clinton “Speak” for him on the tax portion of the current proposed bill in the house, its because Obama is incompetent and cannot himself, nothing more. This is true in Every Position appointed that speak for him in every realm of business of running this Country.
Slick Willy would rather have his wife Hillary in position than be the “Servant” V.P. of an Incompetent Obama and be his yesa master boy. Clinton would not lower himself to that standard.
just saying, ain’t happening.
Hillary run in 2012, Highly Possible. but not electable.
Just to elaborate a bit,
Obama WILL RUN in 2012, but it will not be for President of the United States…. Extradition laws will not allow any prosecution or act of congress to bring him back for trial.
He’ll run alright……
I’ve enjoyed reading the posts here this evening. The military discussion is interesting. The discussion of officers versus NCOs–my view as a retired Army Noncom is the best officers always seek advice from their NCOs. As to orders, officers give “direct orders.” NCOs give “lawful orders” to carry out a direct order of an officer.
Also, enlistments relate only to enlisted personnel. Officers do not have enlistments. They are commissioned. Enlisted personnel are thus non-commissioned officers when they achieve the rank of corporal or above.
As to LTC Lakin’s case, his primary duty as an officer is to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. LTC Lakin has suspicions as to the legality of Obama as President and CnC. President Obama has promoted these kind of suspicions, knowing that he is “covered.” So LTC Lakin, an honorable man, is in a weak position. It takes a brave man to stick out his neck like that.
As to the Malcolm X idea, Obama, himself, rather gives it away in his book, DREAMS FROM MY FATHER. Have any read the book? Who is his real father? In the book he says he patterned himself after Malcolm X. I quote:
“Only Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different. HIS REPEATED ACTS OF SELF-CREATION SPOKE TO ME; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force of will. . . . I IMAGINED MYSELF FOLLOWING MALCOLM’S call . . .”
1. “Repeated acts of self-creation”
2. “Following Malcolm’s call”
3. Dreams from whom???
His book is entitled DREAMS FROM MY FATHER. What are the dreams? Who is his real father? Are they the dreams from the alcoholic Kenyan, a ne’er do well who eventually died in a car crash under the influence? Or are they the dreams from a world figure who died a hero’s martyr’s death for his cause? Though not directly stated, can we read between the lines?
The “evidence” is also standing before us in Obama’s pigmentation and build or stature and tallness. Look, he is more than half caucasian. Malcolm X was part white. Obama Sr. was very dark and much shorter. Would we not expect a darker, shorter Obama as son by the natural law of genetics? Sure, he would have received something from his mother’s side, but then we come to the issue of dominant and recessive genes. The odds of being so fair and tall with such a short, dark man as one parent are very remote. This is not to mention features.
The “embarassment” that would be caused to the President if LTC Lakin were allowed “discovery” relates to this. He is a natural born citizen, born in Hawaii to two natural born citizens, Malcolm Little and Stanley Ann Dunham. LTC Lakin will just be considered “collateral damage” to the insider elites that share secrets with the CIA.
But even if that is true, Dean M, wouldn’t Obama have lost his US citizenship( in any case) when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, and lived in Indonesiona for about 8 years?
This is just a test:
TestingTesting
Cabby,
Awake this late night, but I see your test, if that is what you wish to confirm as a visual in your post.
Dean M. | December 13, 2010 at 12:32 am |
I’m not discounting anything, Dean. The timelines in Seattle are definitely there. But it’s merely speculation. We deserve better than what we are getting as a population. The interesting thing will be next Presidential election cycle. What benefit would any candidate have to release anything from their past? How will the press handle it?
Even though it is possible to see a resemblance to Malcolm X, there are good reasons to discount that theory. The major reason to discount it is that at the time that there might have been contact Malcolm X was a married man and he was faithful to Betty, his wife.
What everyone ignores is the fact that getting DNA proof is possible. Maya Soetoro is the half sister. If Ann is not his mother then there will be no DNA match between the two. Likewise with the Øbama half-brothers and sisters if there is no DNA match then Øbama Sr. is not the father. That would leave Frank Marshall Davis and there is a son who could be used for DNA comparison.
We need to be careful regarding these theories because some of them make those questioning Øbama’s birth details look like kooks. If Øbama Sr is the father as claimed then Øbama jr. cannot be NBC because he was not born of citizen parents as required to be NBC.
Hi, Aussie – Good to hear from you again! Of course, you make some good points. Dean M.’s counter argument would be that he had a weak moment and could have fathered O. It is all speculation, yes, and some ideas are more trustworthy than others. This has all become a tantalizing mystery that begs solving, but there are more important aspects right now. It is unlikely that DNA tests would ever be made, because the truth is “out there”, or should we say, “hidden out there somewhere”, although you are exactly right about the ways to check parentage.
What angers me is that the American people have a right to know who there president really is. Believe me, I’m going to put heavy pressure on my senators and representative to do something, like push for investigations of a few outrageous acts like suing the State of AZ, failure to secure the borders, involvement with Pickford settlements, violations of Logan Act, and other egregious acts. Something somewhere, somehow, will be his waterloo. If he can be charged with alleged crimes, the eligibility question will fall into its rightful place.
BTW, how are things going “down under”? Take care.
There was a buzz way back that DNA was taken off dishware Stanley Ann’s parents used, by CIA or FBI, and Obummer was related to neither of them. The question being asked at the time was whether Stanley Ann had been adopted to account for it. It all fell of the radar long ago, so the validity may have been questionable.
There was a buzz way back about DNA being lifted from dishes used by Stanley Ann’s parents, by CIA or FBI, and it proved no relationship to Obummer. Questions asked at the time was if Stanley Ann had been adopted. It fell off the radar a long time ago, so maybe the validity was questioned. Obummer could be anybody, just using this identity.
Sorry for double post…having trouble with my computer.
How is it that Lakin gets a military court and military jury persons and the terrorists get a ‘soft underbelly’ civil court and and released to kill more of our sons and daughters?
The system smells to high Heaven and I suspect that the LORD will punish us shortly for all of our national sins against HIS holy Being. 9/11 was HIS wake up call for our beloved nation called the United States of America. We are still not getting it!!
Pray for HIS coming for all Christians around the world. It is over!!