Blagojevich jurors speak out, No smoking gun presented, Rezko for example, Citizen Wells open thread, August 18, 2010

Blagojevich jurors speak out, No smoking gun presented, Rezko for example

From the Chicago Tribune August 18, 2010.

“”They were very strong personalities,” foreman James Matsumoto said of the jurors. “They were all independent thinkers.”

He said he would have convicted Blagojevich on all counts, saying that the case slowly built, “layer upon layer.”

“You just say, ‘God, what was he doing?’ You find out here they were selling seats on boards and commissions. That to me was shocking,” Matsumoto said.

But in the end, he said, the “lack of a smoking gun” was too much of a hurdle for jurors to reach more than the one unanimous decision.

“We deliberated logically and with respect for each other’s opinions,” Matsumoto said. Still, he added, “it was very frustrating.”

Erik Sarnello, 21, of Itasca, said a female juror who was the lone holdout on convicting Blagojevich of attempting to sell the Senate seat “wanted clear-cut evidence, and not everything was clear-cut.”

Sarnello, a sophomore at College of DuPage studying criminal justice, said the main problem with the prosecution’s case was that it was all over the place.

“It confused people,” he said. “They didn’t follow a timeline. They jumped around.”

The foreman said jurors came close to convictions on a number of the 24 counts — as close as 11-1 — but remained far apart on others.”

Read more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/blagojevich/ct-met-blagojevich-verdict-jury-20100818,0,1234825.story

Obviously, Tony Rezko is the biggest smoking gun.

124 responses to “Blagojevich jurors speak out, No smoking gun presented, Rezko for example, Citizen Wells open thread, August 18, 2010

  1. CW,
    You knew the fix was in. You knew when they shut off the wire taps when the Obama’s started calling. You knew when witnesses started turning up suddenly dead. You knew when Fitzgerald got promoted. You knew when Obama didn’t have to answer questions. You just didn’t know the ‘means’ until they didn’t call Tony Rezko. The way they got the hung jury was to withhold the testomony of the smoking gun, it was effective. The impetus was to protect Obama and ensure Fitzgerald’s climb.

    Pete

  2. When is Rezko going to be sentenced? Where is he?
    What’s the hold up?
    Will he get out for time served? Is he even in jail?
    Has anyone ever heard of sentencing being suspended for an indefinite period of time?

  3. citizenwells

    Papoose.
    These are good questions.
    Rezko did begin serving time immediately after conviction, so the clock is running.

  4. Sounds like bo’s jury rigging worked better than I thought. At any rate, these revelations are very bad news for blago.

  5. Good Morning! Blago had better send that Jury on a Cruise to the Bahamas and make sure any new jury is aware of what happens after a favorable verdict. The prosecutors did not put on vital witnesses out of fear it would involve Obama. Now the question is will they really try this time around.

    Here’s an interesting article – part II from Wayne Madson:e
    Special Report. The Story of Obama: All in The Company – Part II
    Posted on 16. Aug, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Hot Topics

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/special-report-the-story-of-obama-all-in-the-company-part-ii/

    By Wayne Madsen

  6. Pete | August 18, 2010 at 7:31 am |
    CW,
    You knew the fix was in. You knew when they shut off the wire taps when the Obama’s started calling. You knew when witnesses started turning up suddenly dead. You knew when Fitzgerald got promoted. You knew when Obama didn’t have to answer questions. You just didn’t know the ‘means’ until they didn’t call Tony Rezko. The way they got the hung jury was to withhold the testomony of the smoking gun, it was effective. The impetus was to protect Obama and ensure Fitzgerald’s climb.

    Pete
    ***************************************************
    I agree the primary purpose of the blago trial was to protect bo.

  7. Part I of Madsen’s article is a thread of discussion on Pravda!
    http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?293622-Special-report-the-story-of-obama-all-in-the-company(part-1)
    Special report :the story of obama all in the company(part-1)

    Special Report: The Story of Obama
    All in The Company (Part I)

    from the French Free Press

    by Wayne Madsen*
    Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen has discovered CIA files that document the agency’s connections to institutions and individuals figuring prominently in the lives of Barack Obama and his mother, father, grandmother, and stepfather. The first part of his report highlights the connections between Barack Obama, Sr. and the CIA-affiliated operations in Kenya to counter rising Soviet and Chinese influence among student circles and, beyond, to create conditions for obstructing the emergence of independent African leaders.

    17 August 2010

    From
    Washington D.C. (USA)

  8. Zach Jones | August 18, 2010 at 8:25 am |
    ________________________________________________

    The question is not – Who works for the CIA? BUT
    WHO DOESN’T WORK FOR THE CIA?

  9. Ground Zero Mosque
    Do you think that Obama’s apparent support of the mosque will lose him votes at the midterms?
    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7074/pub_detail.asp

  10. Philo-Publius

    U.S. may sue Arizona’s Sheriff Arpaio for not cooperating in investigation

    Justice Department officials in Washington have issued a rare threat to sue Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio if he does not cooperate with their investigation of whether he discriminates against Hispanics. The civil rights inquiry is one of two that target the man who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff.” A federal grand jury in Phoenix is examining whether Arpaio has used his power to investigate and intimidate political opponents and whether his office misappropriated government money, sources said.
    http://tinyurl.com/2b7pyhr

  11. Philo-Publius

    JAG Captain: Lakin’s CO needs to investigate prosecutorial misconduct

    A former Captain in the Judge Advocate General’s office sent a letter to Lt. Col. Lakin’s Commanding Officer calling for an investigation after the Army threatened to taser him once the hearing was over.
    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=4824

  12. Philo-Publius

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, called for an investigation of those who are protesting the building of the Ground Zero Mosque
    http://tinyurl.com/2d2bpls

  13. Free Speech | August 18, 2010 at 8:23 am | Sounds like bo’s jury rigging worked better than I thought. At any rate, these revelations are very bad news for blago.
    !!!!!!
    You mean beef up security, check all foods before eating…….and definitely staty out of the hot tub???!!!

  14. Hey, Free Speech, I’ve been reading about Scalar Technology…..if THEY want him, THEY can get him!

  15. Spike Lee says bo/bp oil disaster could be the “downfall of America.”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38747461

  16. Philo-Publius

    Obama said Tuesday that he has “never been more confident that our nation is headed in the right direction.”

    “We are doing what is needed to move forward, and we’re doing what’s necessary not just to rebuild the economy for the short term, we want to rebuild it for the long term,”
    http://tinyurl.com/2b3s9w5

    The direction we are moving is down and that’s exactly where he wants to take us….Cloward–Piven.

  17. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 9:59 am |

    JAG Captain: Lakin’s CO needs to investigate prosecutorial misconduct

    A former Captain in the Judge Advocate General’s office sent a letter to Lt. Col. Lakin’s Commanding Officer calling for an investigation after the Army threatened to taser him once the hearing was over.
    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=482
    ******************************************************************
    Philo-Publius, WND has the same story, just finished reading, and was thinking about linking to it here at CW’s.

    I hope the backlash from this episode gets people riled up.

    Lakin has put himself into the “blender” on this eligibility issue, and the threat he poses to the usurper is great.

    I fear for his welfare.

  18. WH releases Obama’s passport; blurs dates of issuance, expiration…

    Read all the comments on the page LOL

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0810/Dont_look_birthers_Obamas_passport.html?showall

  19. Philo-Publius

    bob strauss at 10:20 am |

    Lakin has put himself into the “blender” on this eligibility issue, and the threat he poses to the usurper is great.

    I fear for his welfare.

    ————————————
    This story has gone to public for any physical harm against Lakin as that would be too obvious. However, the Obot machine and the news media will keeping painting him as a right-wing nut and send him to jail as a warning to others.

  20. Philo-Publius

    Louisiana At Leading Edge In Fight Against Shariah

    “The legislature finds that it shall be the public policy of this state to protect its citizens from the application of foreign laws when the application of a foreign law will result in the violation of a right guaranteed by the constitution of this state or of the United States, including but not limited to due process, freedom of religion, speech, or press, and any right of privacy or marriage as specifically defined by the constitution of this state.”

    Because Shariah is inherently violative of the basic constitutional liberties which Americans hold dear, this law arms judges and attorneys with the tool they need to prevent anything such as happened in Maryland and New Jersey from happening in Louisiana.

    Act 714 is now model legislation for the rest of the country and has already been used by legislators in states from coast to coast to prepare legislation in the 2011 legislative session.
    http://tinyurl.com/26os4nf

  21. bob strauss | August 18, 2010 at 10:20 am |

    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=482

    Article didn’t come up.

  22. HEY……….MMMMMSSSS. PELOSI YOU ARE WELCOME TO HAVE ME INVESTIGATED. IF YOU CAN STAND MY B.O.AND BAD GAS.. I LEAVE SOME REALLY NASTY SLIDERS.I EAT LOTS OF GARLIC,AND BELCH A LOT. IF YOU ENJOY SMELLING REALLY NASTY BEER GAS, MY ALLIGATOR BREATH, AND MY SMELLY BACKSIDE COME RIGHT ON OVER, SET A SPELL,.TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF. AND WE’LL TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUUND.

  23. Anybody know what’s going on with thepostemail?

  24. http://www.hillaryis44.org/
    After this November for the first time all the questions we have about Barack Obama can finally be investigated. There are a lot of questions. Obama earmarks in the millions of dollars for his wife’s employers meant a windfall for the Obamas as Michelle Obama got a substantial raise in pay (Maxine Waters gets investigated, Obama got a free pass). The boxes of papers Obama cannot seem to find would answer the questions about what he knew and when he knew it about freezing tenants in Rezko housing (as Obama got Rezko money). The Rezko house, the many deals with corrupt and corrupting individuals, the money deals and investments – all can be investigated after November.
    But it was “protect Barack Obama” time in the Chicago courts.

  25. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    Louisiana At Leading Edge In Fight Against Shariah
    ************************************************
    All Patriots should demand that their State Legislatures do the same.

  26. http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/
    As a person who currently holds a U.S. passport, there are some notable differences between Obama’s passport and mine. Take a close look at these two images. On my passport you clearly see my gender and place of birth above the date of issue. In contrast, Obama’s gender is missing entirely, and furthermore, his place of birth is flush left with the margin. My place of birth is typed about 1/2″ to the right of my gender. Since the U.S. government would never issue a genuine passport that omits the holder’s gender, why is Obama’s gender missing on his passport?

  27. Philo-Publius

    ms. helga at 10:50 am |

    Article didn’t come up.

    ———————————————-

    Try this link:
    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=4824

  28. Free Speech…………………………………………
    Did you actually think that BLAGO would be convicted? At first I was naive enough to think that he would be “HUNG OUT TO DRY”. After all of the harangueing, a new picture quickly formed in my mind. This is one of erroneous,unproveable, and otherwise meaningless statements,and the 5th. Where have I seen all of this before? In the early to mid fifties,I lived in Brooklyn N.Y for a few years and it just so happens that the FED was trying to nail some top dog MAFIA figures at the same time. Lo and behold…….hung juries, bribed jurrors,mistrials they done it all. Hell this is nothing more than DALY,and MAFIA style trial fixing. I don’t know if Daly Sr. first copied the MAFIA, or whether the MAFIA copied Daly Sr. But nonetheless it is how the MOB done things for a long time in NOOO YAWK. PURE,and SIMPLE!. In all probability Blago will not be returned to another trial. The news will all be nicely cleaned up,and in a few months everybody will have forgotten who the hell BLAGO,even is.

  29. We all knew that Blago would either be aquitted or a hung jury. This should be of no surprise.

    This was recognized by many posting on this blog and credit (kudos) to CW and FreeSpeech whom first understood this when the prosecution withdrew further calling of witnesses and clearly protecting bo.

    Now I have a question. FreeSpeech, please chime in with your professional opinion as I respect your legal views.

    Blago siad while still in capasity as the Governor and was at that time being charged, he was removed as the sitting Governor without being tried or even found guilty. As he said, this is not due process of the law, to punish someone being accused of a crime before a trial had found him guilty is in itself a violation of his constitutional protection.

    I happened to agree with his statement although I personally thought he would have been found guilty. It matters not in my opinion. The point is that no one should be denied due process nor should they be punished before a trial has began.

    Do you think that Blago will no quickly file suit against the State and Government? Of course Knowing that the government will never retry this case. They cannot retry this and not expose bo.

    Just my thoughts

  30. I am about ready to pop my head. I am watching the USURPER talking live to Ohio families in a backyard. To me he seems to be saying-

    “I know I am not eligible to be the president of the USA, but I am the smartest guy to ever to hold this position, whether you like it or not.”

  31. Michelle | August 18, 2010 at 11:03 am |
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/
    After this November for the first time all the questions we have about Barack Obama can finally be investigated. There are a lot of questions. Obama earmarks in the millions of dollars for his wife’s employers meant a windfall for the Obamas as Michelle Obama got a substantial raise in pay (Maxine Waters gets investigated, Obama got a free pass). The boxes of papers Obama cannot seem to find would answer the questions about what he knew and when he knew it about freezing tenants in Rezko housing (as Obama got Rezko money). The Rezko house, the many deals with corrupt and corrupting individuals, the money deals and investments – all can be investigated after November.
    But it was “protect Barack Obama” time in the Chicago courts.
    *********************************************************

    blago’s corruption pales in comparison to bo’s CAPITAL CRIMES. The good thing about the blago verdict is bo’s corruption will be on display through the mid-term elections.

  32. AZ-legal citizen

    I don’t know much about juries but I always thought Lawyers and Cops etc were not on Juries. The lone hold out in the Blago trial: Sarnello, a sophomore at College of DuPage studying criminal justice.

  33. HEY FOLKS…………………………………..
    I am not really sure that we should put a whole lot of stock in the posted picture as being a copy of Soetoro’s missing passport. There is no way of even knowing the exact color of the passport, or certain other features that it could have had. Until it can be PROVEN to be a copy of the missing passport,I would at least keep an open mind. I seriously doubt that the US passports were MULTI Colored to begin with. I looked at a US Passport in 1958, and it was on a manila colored paper,and in a binder with dark gree covers,as I remember. But I won’t swear to the color of the covers. All I am saying is don’t bite on a bait that could be just as phoney as the COLB.

  34. Free Speech @ 11:33 am |
    “The good thing about the blago verdict is bo’s corruption will be on display through the mid-term elections.”
    Let’s hope, so much has NOT been investigated, to me with Obama/Jarrett and all the “players” around them-the whole passel of crooks is his 20 years as a “community organizer”, an area in Chicago that has gotten progressively worse-crimes,drugs, murders over the years. It is all tied up in this, and other similar projects, but I don’t know how they did it. The streets of Chicago should be “buzzing” with information after this so-called trial. Hope that there were some reporters listening up. There are those who will be thinking close call we got away with criminal activities, others will think doggone it they got away with crimes again, loose lips still sink ships.
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
    The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

  35. Sir William……………………………………
    That is specifically why I yesterday stated that Lisa Madigan will now look like a dipstick…………..BUMB EVEN. One would think that the Il AG would have covered all the bases.

  36. SirWilliam | August 18, 2010 at 11:23 am |
    We all knew that Blago would either be aquitted or a hung jury. This should be of no surprise.

    This was recognized by many posting on this blog and credit (kudos) to CW and FreeSpeech whom first understood this when the prosecution withdrew further calling of witnesses and clearly protecting bo.

    Now I have a question. FreeSpeech, please chime in with your professional opinion as I respect your legal views.

    Blago siad while still in capasity as the Governor and was at that time being charged, he was removed as the sitting Governor without being tried or even found guilty. As he said, this is not due process of the law, to punish someone being accused of a crime before a trial had found him guilty is in itself a violation of his constitutional protection. THE IL LEGISLATURE DID RIGHT THING IN REMOVING BLAGO. IMHO A MAN AS CORRUPT AS BLAGO SHOULD NOT BE GOVERNOR OF ANY STATE.

    I happened to agree with his statement although I personally thought he would have been found guilty. It matters not in my opinion. The point is that no one should be denied due process nor should they be punished before a trial has began. LEGISLATIVE ACTION IS SEPARATE FROM JUDICIAL ACTION. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE IL LEGISLATURE REMOVING BO. IT WAS NOT A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS. IMHO BLAGO’S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS WERE REPEATEDLY VIOLATION IN THE TRIAL IN ORDER TO PROTECT bo.

    Do you think that Blago will no quickly file suit against the State and Government? Of course Knowing that the government will never retry this case. They cannot retry this and not expose bo. NO, I SEE NO BASIS FOR BLAGO TO SUE THE LEGISLATURE. “retry this case?” FITZGERALD PLEDGED TO RETRY THE CASE. JURY WAS HUNG 11-1 TO CONVICT ON MULTIPLE COUNTS. I DON’T SEE ANY WAY FOR FITZGERALD TO AVOID RE-TRIAL UNLESS BLAGO ACCEPTS A PLEA BARGAIN FOR A LIGHT SENTENCE.

  37. OldSalt,

    I have not heard anything on the passport issue you are referring too. Are there any links?

    Thanks

  38. When the government arrested Mob Guys over the years, the government called it extortion, when the government does the same thing what do they call it? Competition? Same crime different entity pulling it off.
    http://michellemalkin.com/
    Becker is the left-wing lawyer Obama sneakily installed on the National Labor Relations Board. The U.S. Senate rejected Becker’s nomination on a 52-33 cloture vote in February. Obama responded by flipping the bird and ramming through his recess appointment during the congressional spring break. (The New York Times approvingly dubbed it a “muscular show of his executive authority.” When that authority was exercised by GOP President George W. Bush, of course, the Times editorial board called it a “constitutional gimmick.”)
    Today’s column targets SEIU consigliere Craig Becker and the latest White House gift to Big Labor. So far this summer, Team Obama is fronting the SEIU-backed $8 billion Child Nutrition Act expansion and forked over the union-stamped $26 billion BigGovJobs bailout. And as I noted yesterday, the next big government/labor payoff is on the way in the form of the PBGC bailout. How many more union payoffs can we afford?!

  39. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | August 18, 2010 at 9:05 am |

    “Nonstop Plumes Emanating from Sea Floor” video

    ========================================

    Here is the kind of critical analysis I require of myself and any other person attempting to report actual news or The Truth:

    1. Who is the source of this video?
    2. Where and when was it taken?
    3. What does it mean? Is it related to WW or just one of many natural events?

    Until you answer those questions, and/or find some credible discussion or analysis of the video, and are able to give your audience an estimate of it’s reality and credibility – well, then you really oughtn’t to be publishing stuff. Huffing and puffing and hand wringing smells a lot more like a Three Little Pigs fairytale than a serious attempt to provide information or seek truth.

    But, then, maybe I shouldn’t hold others to the same high standards I aspire to.

  40. Michelle…………………………….
    “Chicago tenements fall into disrepair;
    In order to FALL into disrepair they have to first be in at least acceptable condition which can be called good repair.The several times that I was in Chicago on business, I traveled through a portion of the Southe East side. It appeared to be a MASS OF DISREPAIR. My visits were in the interim period from about 1960 through 1995. On my last visit I remember that there was some teardown going on. I used to visit a few suppliers in the Chicago area, one was in Whiting, another was in Demster, and still another was up in Northbrook.

  41. Fishmen speak out about bo/bp Oil Plumes in Gulf.

  42. AZ-legal citizen @ 11:40
    Erik of Itasca was speaking of a woman who was the hold-out. In the nothing lasts forever category seeing the name of Itasca (a very pretty little town in the suburbs where I grew up) reminded me of something. We had to go to a wedding in a country club was it Itasca or Wood Dale, I can’t remember–the brides parents were divorced-I remember somewhere along the line he came into the reception hall, so I said who is that man-I was told he was the brides father and he was a Mob lawyer-you could see the crowd physically move away from that man, it was that visible, I don’t think he stayed 20 minutes. Yes, mob guys require a defense but there is something huge in public opinion. Remember mob guys in Chicago are murders and not respected by anybody.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/blago-juror-speaks-holdout-didnt-see-what-we-saw/
    A federal jury deadlocked Tuesday on all but one of 24 charges against former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich. Juror Erik Sarnello of Itasca, Ill., said one woman on the jury ‘just didn’t see what we all saw.

  43. http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/new-oil-threat-looms-floridas-gulf-coast

    The movement of the oil, driven by chemical dispersants, could wreak environmental havoc on the sea bed, John Paul, a USF marine microbiologist, told CNN Tuesday.

    “The dispersant is moving the oil down out of the surface and into the deeper waters, where it can affect phytoplankton and other marine life,” Paul said.

    Paul and a dozen other USF scientists aboard the Weatherbird II research vessel detected oil droplets settling in DeSoto Canyon, a spawning ground for fish.

    The USF findings echo University of Georgia researchers, who announced Monday that “70 to 79 percent” of the spilled oil and its toxic byproducts are still present under the surface of the Gulf.

  44. oldsalt79 @ 12:07 pm |
    Old salt, I’m with you. As a suburbanite we rarely went this deep into the city and these are neighborhoods people are warned never to go near, because they are so dangerous. Our boss made us go to a baseball game on the South Side, I was never so horrified or depressed in my life. These buildings were barely still standing, they must have been the only ones missed in the Chicago Fire-Mrs. O’Leary’s cow, but they did not fare well in the riots in the late 60’s. Why these buildings were not torn down years ago is beyond me. I asked and someone said something about taxes were still being paid???? This is the area “turf” taken over by gangs, drug dealers and assorted criminals. If it was up to me I’d turn it into farmland.

  45. It is VERY ODD that judge zagel did not give the Allen charge and demand that the jury deliberate further when they were hung 11-1 on multiple counts.

    a

  46. It is also VERY ODD that the jury had voted to convict on 2 counts on Thursday but came back with only 1 count of conviction on Monday.

  47. It was also VERY ODD that Defense Attorney Sam Adam called Fitzgerald “Nuts,” yesterday.

  48. Philo-Publius

    SirWilliam at 11:54 am |

    OldSalt,

    I have not heard anything on the passport issue you are referring too. Are there any links?

    ——————————————-

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0810/Dont_look_birthers_Obamas_passport.html?showall

  49. AZ-legal citizen

    Pelosi makes Blago corruption look like a bunch of amateurs.
    Pay to Play: Treasure Island: Appointment to TIDA Boards/ Campaign contributions/ Pelosi’s Campaign Manager (now Lobbyist)/ Pelosi’s Nephews/ Pelosi’s son…
    Pelosi has used her power to push the crony-infested project for years. She pushed aggressively for legislative language that would have forced the military to fork over high-value property at no cost to local communities. And as the Washington Times recounted last fall, she presided over a “den of corruption” to secure the coveted property:

    http://michellemalkin.com/2010/08/18/pelosi-and-the-treasure-island-land-grab/

    http://www.fogcityjournal.com/news_in_brief/kirshenbaum_061029.shtml

  50. Too many more criminals were not arrested, to hang on 1 guy. Soetoros pay to play should have been prosecuted.

  51. Philo-Publius

    New York Officials Refuse to Allow Christians to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9-11

    Greek Orthodox leaders trying to rebuild the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks expressed shock this week after learning, via Fox News, that government officials had killed a deal to relocate the church. The St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church…for the past eight years, been trying to rebuild its house of worship.

    Though talks between the church and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey stalled last year, church leaders say they’ve been trying to kick-start discussions ever since. But amid debate over whether a proposed Islamic community center should go forward near Ground Zero, government officials threw cold water on the prospect of any deal with the church — telling Fox News the deal is off the table.
    http://tinyurl.com/2uo2jfa
    http://tinyurl.com/39bahjy

  52. FreeSpeech,

    Thank you for your responce. I respectfully hold a different opinion. Here is my point.

    Just because a person holds an elected position, does this exempt them from Due Process of the law? In my opinion, it does not. I also believe we all as individuals have the presumptive right of innocense until proven guilty through our constitutional protection.

    If I did not believe this, then I fear participating in our government representing the people would be futile and simply corrupt from the onset. One could easily argue that winning the position of Mayor, State Rep. Or local commissions would or might be met with a corrupt Federal Government if you failed to yeild to their will. Such failure would be to bring charges against you, have you remove and replaced with someone whom obides their demands. Only later to find you were not convicted. Now what? You have a complete tyrrantical, out of control judical system removing elected officals at whim, replaced by unelected officials.

    I am not advocating that Blago is not guilty, or many others, they are. I am stating that they should be charged and proven guilty while in capasity. If not, then this is a sure fire way of removing our entire democracy.

  53. Philo-Publius

    Reid Birthright Video Found

    Looks like Republican opposition researchers finally are getting their act together in countering the Reid campaign machine, as they unearthed video of Harry Reid forcefully arguing against birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens in 1993.
    http://tinyurl.com/2fe9p23

  54. Philo-Publius

    Stolen Valor Act Unconstitutional?

    Court Rules People Have a Right to Lie About Receiving Military Medals

    The Tuesday ruling involves the case of Xavier Alvarez, who falsely claimed in 2007 to have won a Congressional Medal of Honor. He was charged with violating the federal Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a crime to falsely claim to have won a military medal.

    Alvarez challenged the law on appeal as a violation of his free-speech rights.

    A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with him in a 2-1 decision. The majority said there’s no evidence that such lies harm anybody, and there’s no compelling reason for the government to ban such lies
    http://tinyurl.com/24qc8hl

  55. I have seen many juries rigged by prosecutors for conviction and I have seen a few juries rigged by defense attorneys for acquittal, but blago is the first time that I am aware of that the prosecution rigged a hung jury on multiple counts and the prosecution rigged the same jury for conviction on only 1 count.

  56. old salt, philo-publius,
    If you watch the WH video you will learn the passport is new. The POTUS personal secretary filled out the application for the new passport as one of her 1st jobs. The new passport is held with the advance staff. This passport is meaningless and proves nothing either way. This is standard op for all new Presidents.

  57. http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/juror-blago-seemed-guilty-but-evidence-not-there/

    Early Tuesday morning, the jury had agreed to two guilty counts. A charge related to an allegation of attempted extortion of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel fell by the wayside as jurors lost confidence in the government’s evidence on that charge, said another juror, Erik Sarnello, 21, a student who lives with his parents in suburban Itasca.

    The government had alleged that Blagojevich held up a state grant to the Chicago Academy until Rahm Emanuel’s Hollywood-agent brother, Ari, would throw him a fundraiser.

    From the start of deliberations, some jurors admitted they believed from the start of deliberations that Blagojevich was guilty. “Some people said they thought he was guilty, but the evidence is really not there,” he said.

    Sarnello said he knew by day three of the 13-day deliberations that the jury was in for a long haul. That prompted him to give a speech in which he sought to persuade fellow jurors to agree with each other rather than than extending deliberations. At that point, Sarnello believed Blagojevich guilty on several counts.

    “It was obvious to me that some of these people needed clear-cut evidence, but we kept going at it for another two weeks. Not much changed,” he said.

    Sarnello addressed the question of why the jury Tuesday asked for a copy of the oath they took at the start of deliberations. Some jurors felt one of the jurors was not deliberating in good faith. “Some people felt that they were deliberating not under what the law told us to do,” he said.

    “What they were looking at wasn’t what we were supposed to be looking at based on what the judge gave us as a set of rules,” Sarnello said.

  58. Free Speech says August 18, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    I have seen many juries rigged by prosecutors for conviction and I have seen a few juries rigged by defense attorneys for acquittal, but blago is the first time that I am aware of that the prosecution rigged a hung jury on multiple counts and the prosecution rigged the same jury for conviction on only 1 count.

    ************************************

    I believe as OldSalt stated previously, one only needs to turn the clock back to the 1950’s during the Mafia Trials. Judge, Jury and Prosecution were all corrupt and paid for. Its not that far back in our history.

  59. Philo,

    Thanks for the passport link and stories associated with it I reseached.

    Apparently, the White House is on the run in defensive mode. There is no reason to show his dipomatic passport, unless one is trying to dilute information.

    It will not work. This is no different than showing a Certification of live Birth, but not the Birth Certificate. Showing his Diplomat passport but not his civilian passport and its history is worthless as prima evidence of anything.

    This stunt would not work in the real world of Marketing and Sales, but nice try.

  60. SirWilliam | August 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    It is now clear the purpose of the prosecution of blago was:

    1) Exonorate bo.

    2) Convict blago on minor charge that does not involve bo to silence him regarding bo.

  61. Philo-Publius

    American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School

    The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition, Judge Edith Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, told the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School on February 28.

    She said that the question of what is morally right is routinely sacrificed to what is politically expedient. The change has come because legal philosophy has descended to nihilism.
    http://tinyurl.com/3hrce

  62. Philo-Publius

    The above is an older article and things are even worst today…i.e. no one has standing.

  63. Officer’s case over Obama’s eligibility already tainted?
    Retired expert says treatment of Army flight surgeon needs to be addressed
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=192305

  64. Report: Obama used tax money for ‘propaganda’
    Congressman says GAO needs to investigate ‘pro-stimulus cheerleading’
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=192613

  65. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 2:27 pm |
    American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School

    The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition, Judge Edith Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, told the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School on February 28.

    She said that the question of what is morally right is routinely sacrificed to what is politically expedient. The change has come because legal philosophy has descended to nihilism.
    http://tinyurl.com/3hrce

    **************************************************
    Amen

  66. CNN: Pelosi to Wolf Blitzer: I promise no pork in the stimulus

  67. Philo-Publius

    9th Circuit finds a right to lie

    We have no doubt that society would be better off if Alvarez would stop spreading worthless, ridiculous, and offensive untruths. But, given our historical skepticism of permitting the government to police the line between truth and falsity, and between valuable speech and drivel, we presumptively protect all speech, including false statements, in order that clearly protected speech may flower in the shelter of the First Amendment.
    http://tinyurl.com/22tjam6

    Rush weighted in and said if a court says its ok to lie about a medal, why is it not ok for Blago to lie to the FBI?

    The court did say they protect all speech including false statements. Blago can use this to overturn his conviction.

  68. Philo-Publius

    Gallup Crater: Obama Slips to 41% Approval, 52% Disapproval
    http://minx.cc/?post=304798

    Mathews doesn’t look too happy.

  69. Philo-Publius

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) have proposed a law that they say would sweep away overly stringent regulations imposed by the D.C. Council after the Supreme Court struck down the city’s 32-year ban on handguns.
    http://tinyurl.com/39qchw3

    Harry will never let it get to the floor for a vote.

  70. Free Speech says August 18, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    SirWilliam .

    It is now clear the purpose of the prosecution of blago was
    1) Exonorate bo
    2) Convict blago on minor charge that does not involve bo to silence him regarding

    **************************************

    I would agree, but take it a step further.

    1). The Prosecution had full intent by initial showings in the case to prosecute Blago and the corrupt Chicago machine.
    2). The Prosecution failed to realize the indepth discovery of Obamas ties at the time.
    3). Once Obama had met with the Prosecution, Twice, the twist and fix was in. Remeber when Obama claimed he never met with Blago pertaining to the Senate seat and other denials on public t.v.. but the Judge and the Prosecution stopped the tape for the Jury everytime Obama or Michaelle called in?
    4). On the last meeting in Chicago when Obama met with the Prosecution, during the BBQ event, the following week is when the prosecution refused to call anymore witnesses. Coincedence? I think not.
    5). When is the last time in our history that a President, legal or not, personally confers with a federal prosecutor with himself being involveled in the criminal activity?

    Lastly, the federal prosecutor can claim to the media and rant and rave all he wants, displaying that justice was not served, while he met privately with the annointed one. It is a joke, and nothing more than a display in the media. He did all he could do and will continue the good fight, as he proclaims.

    Meanwhile, he and Obama, and sone to be Blago, are drinking some mia tie (Mytie) in the WH Garden.

  71. Philo-Publius

    Frank: Abolish Fannie and Freddie

    Barney Frank suddenly can’t understand why government should push home ownership, nor why government should be involved in mortgages at all. In an interview with Neil Cavuto on Fox Business, Frank called not just for the liquidation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but also for curtailing federal government interest in home ownership.
    http://tinyurl.com/2bha5fa

    Why didn’t he say that when Bush warned Congress F&F could cause a financial collapse? Instead ol’ Barney feed the beast.

  72. Meanwhile,

    he and Obama, and soon to be Blago, are drinking some mia tie (Mytie) in the WH Garden.

    To add Eric Holder present patting the prosecution on the back for a well done job…..

    But they won’t be grilling hot dogs or pork chops. I wonder why.

  73. Meanwhile,

    he and Obama, and soon to be Blago, are drinking some mia tie (Mytie) in the WH Garden.

    To add Eric Holder present patting the prosecution on the back for a well done job…..

    But they won’t be grilling hot dogs or pork chops. I wonder why.

  74. Free Speech | August 18, 2010 at 2:24 pm |
    SirWilliam | August 18, 2010 at 2:07 pm |

    It is now clear the purpose of the prosecution of blago was:

    1) Exonorate bo.

    2) Convict blago on minor charge that does not involve bo to silence him regarding bo.
    ___________________________________________________-

    I agree, FS. Our options are limited right now with the power that the Democrats have over society right now. We need to get the power of the supboena into the hands of Issa. Then it will be “game on”.

  75. Ask the FBI to Indict Obama and corrupt Government OfficialsSign Letter to FBI Director Mueller…Please sign last day August 20, 2010
    The election coming up in 2010 is vital to health of our Great Nation. Congress has been infiltrated with socialists whose only goal is to tear down America and remake her into some kind of dictatorship whereby the elites rule at the top and the American citizen is reduced to nothing.
    http://americangrandjury.org/public/fbi/

  76. Philo-Publius

    Paxson at 3:26 pm |

    I agree, FS. Our options are limited right now with the power that the Democrats have over society right now. We need to get the power of the supboena into the hands of Issa. Then it will be “game on”.

    ——————————————–
    It doesn’t matter anymore if they get supboena power. Its now a protect right to lie.

  77. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm |

    I didn’t say that it was our only option, but Issa is hot on their trail. Someday even Democrats will wonder how they were so blind to letting this farce happen in our country.

  78. Blago’s Mentor’s were Obama and Rezko, thus the hurriedly arrest of Blago was to save obama’s ASS. Fitzgerald took his payoff when he accepted a position in the administration. Blago was denied the tapes that would have proved ALL of them were involved. The lone Juror who dissented on the charges is evidently taking her studies in law seriously. In my way of thinking, the Judge kept the Defense lawyers from putting on a solid defense again to save Obama’s Ass. Rezko was not called to keep all the loose ends from being tied. Personally, until a fair trial can be held (if ever) any normal juror would have to do as the young Law Student did. All are guilty, but why convict the lessor of all the evils??

  79. The One is annoyed, too darn bad.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/annoyed-obama-has-no-regrets-over-mosque-comments/
    Answering a reporter’s question at a political event in Columbus, Ohio, the president initially paused, then turned to a TV camera and said, “The answer is — no regrets.”
    The President appeared somewhat terse and annoyed at the question.

  80. Although I was born in Chicago, I was raised in the suburbs, I had to keep asking cousins and friends what Ward Politics really means. My best guess is if you had the most minor of problems, you called your ward committeeman and they fixed it for you, somehow this translates into votes. In the suburbs you fixed it yourself ie. tree branch in the way, you sawed it down, pot hole you filled/fixed it yourself-we did not have paved roads, but they were as hard as concrete and easy to fix after a bad winter.
    To the claim we are not all corrupt it would take 100 years of good behavior to get the citizens to believe that, too much corruption, too long, too much allowed to happen without being addressed. Of course on the other hand most of Illinois ex-Governors are in the slammer so maybe that is a good sign.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/12/ward-boss-son-defends-chi_n_150631.html
    Ward Boss’ Son Rostenkowski Defends Chicago: We’re Not All Corrupt
    During my career as a public official, I always tried to steer away from the minority of my colleagues who viewed public service as a potential commercial enterprise. They’ve always been there and can be found in state capitols and in Washington.
    But I find [Blagojevich’s] reported behavior troubling. There’s a big difference between running a sloppy office and staging a personally-beneficial auction to make policy and personnel decisions. That’s what disturbs the public. It bothers me, too.
    It would be a mistake, though, to conclude that Chicago or Illinois produced a disproportionate share of bad apples. They’re present in both parties whenever opportunity appears.
    And while they tarnish the reputation of the entire political profession, there’s little evidence suggesting the small minority involved is any larger than it is among doctors, lawyers or corporate executives. In each field, honesty and integrity are the norms. In each, a small number stray, some seriously. Cynics who see corruption as pervasive in politics are wrong.

  81. Joy | August 18, 2010 at 3:46 pm |
    I agree that it appears that Fitzgerald took payoff in accepting position in the Administration and with your assessment in general. There is one thing that needs to be cleared up : According to CW’s article the lone Juror who dissented is not the young law student.

    Here is the portion from CW’s report:
    “Erik Sarnello, 21, of Itasca, said a female juror who was the lone holdout on convicting Blagojevich of attempting to sell the Senate seat “wanted clear-cut evidence, and not everything was clear-cut.”
    Sarnello, a sophomore at College of DuPage studying criminal justice, said the main problem with the prosecution’s case was that it was all over the place.”

    For the record, Sarnello is the student who SAID “a female juror who was the lone hold out……” (a minor technical point, but for truth’s sake)

  82. Michelle | August 18, 2010 at 4:22 pm |

    Chicago is not the only city that is a cesspool of corruption.

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  83. http://www.breitbart.tv/new-ad-against-ground-zero-mosque-features-911-families/
    As we were with the people of New York on that terrible day, we are with them today-also the people of the Gulf and all other tragedies around our nation. I think that is part of what being an American means, that you help your fellow Americans especially when they are hit by forces beyond their control, unfortunately the current government is NOT with the citizens, but actively working to make life harder for these people in more ways than one.

  84. ms. helga | August 18, 2010 at 10:50 am |

    bob strauss | August 18, 2010 at 10:20 am |

    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=482

    Article didn’t come up.
    **************************************************************

    ms helga, You can find the article at World Net Daily.
    Officer’s case over Obama’s eligibility already tainted? Breaking News

  85. bo/bp has put all the people of America who enjoy Shrimp at risk of bo/bp oil/corexit poisoning.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2913409720100430

    The Gulf Coast region ranks as one of the most productive U.S. fisheries, especially for shrimp, accounting for more than 70 percent of a nationwide catch valued at $442 million in 2008, the last year for which federal figures were available.

  86. Would Moving the Proposed Mosque Site a Few Blocks From Ground Zero End the Controversy?
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/18/moving-proposed-mosque-site-blocks-ground-zeroend-controversy/

  87. http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/08/safety-issues-hang-over-slow-starting-gulf-shrimp-season/

    No one has been more optimistic than President Obama’s top environmental adviser, Carol Browner, who credited “Mother Nature” for doing “some nice work for us in terms of evaporation and dissolution of the oil in the water.”

    If Gulf waters were getting cleaned up, it would follow that the seafood is safe. Federal agencies say they’ve taken 3,500 samples of seafood from the Gulf, and found none with enough oil or dispersant to be harmful to people.

    Those so-called smell tests are backed up with a chemical test for oil. There is no chemical test for Corexit, the dispersant favored by BP. Almost two million gallons of the solvents were poured on the oil to break it up.

    A couple dozen Gulf community, environmental, and religious groups hooked up with the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC) Tuesday to press for more transparency in that testing by NOAA and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    “With the opening of shrimping season and near-daily re-opening of fishing areas, seafood safety is a major issue right now,” said Gina Solomon, a senior scientist with NRDC. “The government needs to show it is putting strong safety criteria and testing standards in place to ensure that the seafood from the Gulf will be safe to eat in the months and years go come.”

  88. Rep. Melissa Bean IL8 sends in the thug

  89. KeepAmericaSafe.com: WE REMEMBER

  90. Remeber when Obama claimed he never met with Blago pertaining to the Senate seat and other denials on public t.v.. but the Judge and the Prosecution stopped the tape for the Jury everytime Obama or Michaelle called in?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    http://www.therightperspective.org/2008/12/12/new-obama-blagojevich-pics-found/

    New Obama-Blagojevich Pics Found

    Barack Obama insists he has not been in contact with Rod Blagojevich since the Illinois Governor was busted trying to “sell” Obama’s vacant Senate seat, but two new photos have been found contradicting the president-elect.

    The first one comes from the Nov. 12 edition of Governor’s Gazette. The text, describing how Blagojevich will begin the process of finding a replacement for Obama’s vacant Senate seat, is identical to this Nov. 5 press release from the Illinois Governor website. That text also confirms the two met to discuss possible Senate replacements for Obama’s seat:

    The second photo comes from a Dec. 2 meeting of the National Governor’s Association in Philadelphia. After the scandal broke on Dec. 9, Obama said, “I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening.”

    http://24ahead.com/photo-barack-obama-and-rod-blagojevich-confer-about-senate

  91. Obviously there is a totally corrupt government right in the middle of New York City.. Now we are hearing many of the city officials laud the possible construction of an Islamic Mosque that never existed in Manhattan,yet the same city officials have refused for 8 years to allow a Greek Orthodox Church to REBUILD their church which was destroyed in the 9-11 attack. What the hell is wrong with this picture?One thing is clear,Bloomberg WILL NOT be NEW YORK’S NEXT Mayor. Nor will a hell of a lot nof his slimey little buddies be holding positions in the City government. I think that there will be a thorough house cleaning by some really angered citizens very soon. It is obvious that Bloomberg is every bit as corrupt as Daly in Chicago. I personally am going to add a prayer each day that God will give ALL OF the SLIMEY perpetrators of corruption in both cities a transfer to a much hotter bivouac.

  92. Why President Bush embraces Islam as peaceful
    http://www5.renewamerica.com/columns/shroder/040626

  93. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 3:21 pm |
    Frank: Abolish Fannie and Freddie

    Surprising! But perhaps his boyfriend doesn’t work for them anymore!

  94. It is no longer the little statement that “WE REMEMBER” it is now “WE WILL REMEMBER”. Think about it Soetoro……….”WE WILL REMEMBER” You think we are all stupid. We might be ,but NONE OF US have BAD MEMORYS. YOU WILL WANT TO REMEMBER THAT FACT!.

  95. Bill Cutting

    My reply at Citizen Wells:

    Bill Cutting: Looks like the paid operatives at the dr. communist blog are getting desperate again.

    The Lakin trial must really have them spooked.

    Hi Bill. Someone posted your comment over at ObamaConspiracy.org. I don’t know if you were referring to me or not, but in case you were, I’ll reply.

    I’m old enough to remember the 1950′s when you could get some traction calling someone a communist, but today? Communism is ancient history. You need to use something trendy like “jihadist.” However, I am none of those; I’m a Lutheran, and most to be feared.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Yes I was referring to your blog.

    You are correct, Communist is out date, since the Democratic Party is now the Communist Party.

    How about the “dr. Liar or Fraud blog” that seems more fitting.

    I think the Lakin case is misguided for the following reasons.

    1. A Natural Born Citizen is the child of US citizens wherever the place of birth. IMHO , see Alexander Porter Morse
    2. LTC Lakin has staked his career/ freedom on a document that any government agency could fabricate, if so inclined.
    3. A government agency could destroy any document rather than turn them over to the defense in this case. ( remember Sandy Berger ?)

    Finally
    I could care less what “candidate Obama” is spending on Legal fees for his defense in eligibility cases.
    Not one red cent of taxpayer money or the use of DOJ attorneys should or should have been used to defend lawsuits that were filed before “candidate Obama” took the oath of office.

  96. Philo-Publius

    Families of 9-11 Victims Release Ad Against Ground Zero Victory Mosque (Video)
    http://www.keepamericasafe.com/

  97. Sir William…………………………………..
    Did you find the links that you were looking for, that pertained to the alleged passport? I telephoned an old friend today who also held a passport in the mid 60s. He doesn’t remember it being multi colored either. The alleged passport could have existed for a very long time. but could just as easily be a fairly recent change. As such it would have little significance. I think that it might be wise to ask around of people who you might know who travelled internationally back during the 80s,70s,and 60s. At this point I think that it is far too early to trust anything that the WH posts. Remember the PHONEY COLB?

  98. Bill Cutting…………………………….
    Hey Bill, the thief of all the documents wasn’t Sandy Berger, it was Sandy BURGLAR.

  99. DAV..
    Time for prayer……OOOAAHHHHHHHH…………AAAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHHH………….LLAAHHZZZAAAA……..CCCCRRRREEEEEZZZZZAAAAALLLLLAAAAHHHH.!!!!!!!

  100. DAV (I apologise)
    My dog howls a lot better than I do. Particularly when I play my harmonica. I should have recorded his VERBS.

  101. Bill Cutting

    oldsalt79 | August 18, 2010 at 6:28 pm |
    Bill Cutting…………………………….
    Hey Bill, the thief of all the documents wasn’t Sandy Berger, it was Sandy BURGLAR
    ———————————————————————————————

    LOL

  102. oldsalt79 | August 18, 2010 at 6:28 pm |
    No doubt, Old Salt. Yet G. Gordon Liddy is the bad guy. Sandy Burglar is way worse and the press gives him a pass. Where do we stand as citizens? Oh yeah, way below the Muslim terrorists under this regime.

  103. Philo-Publius

    Paxson at 6:57 pm |
    Where do we stand as citizens?
    ——————————-
    We have not standing…that’s the problem.

  104. Philo-Publius

    Oopps. Should be “We have no standing…that’s the problem.”

  105. Paxson……………………………..
    If we use those two names as qualification I am really afraid to even venture a guess. I would probably have to agree with you.

  106. yo | August 18, 2010 at 11:01 am |

    Anybody know what’s going on with thepostemail?
    *******************************************************
    http://www.thepostemail.com/feed/

  107. Philo-Publius | August 18, 2010 at 7:00 pm |
    Paxson at 6:57 pm |
    Where do we stand as citizens?
    ——————————-
    We have not standing…that’s the problem.
    _______________________________________________–

    It’s sad that our rights as citizens are below the Mooslums (as Lame Cherry would say) and the Illegal immigrants under this administration..
    u

  108. I have a question for the White House and Politico as respects the bogus potus’s passport:

    Point?

  109. oldsalt79 | August 18, 2010 at 6:33 pm |
    DAV..
    Time for prayer……OOOAAHHHHHHHH…………AAAAAOOOOOOHHHHHHHH………….LLAAHHZZZAAAA……..CCCCRRRREEEEEZZZZZAAAAALLLLLAAAAHHHH.!!!!!!!
    *************************************
    Old Salt, you make me laugh!!! I know what you mean about your dog carrying on when music is being played…..We have had dogs that just howl and howl and no stopping them. Apparently there are musical sounds that affect their ears.

    Back to the “call to prayer” – What would be worse than hearing that 5 times a day , if you are non-muslim? Answer: 5 times EVERY day. Obummer says it is the most beautiful sound. Hmmm……..now we know.

  110. President Obama Fundraising: Nightmare For Local Residents

  111. LM-CW started a new article.

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