Blagojevich trial, Defense requests delay, Trial moving too fast, Point revealed
The Blagojevich defense team has requested a delay in the trial. I am in the middle of writing a multi part series on US Justice Department corruption, trying to hit a moving target, and the defense team helps make one of my points.
From the Chicago Tribune July 12, 2010.
“Blagojevich’s lawyers sought to delay the federal corruption trial for at least a week to prepare witnesses for a defense case that they had believed they wouldn’t be presenting until late August at the earliest.
Estimates of a sprawling trial that would last well into the fall have evaporated as the government has streamlined its case.
“At all times since the early stages of pretrial litigation in this case, the government asserted to the defense and the court that the government’s case would last approximately three to four months,” the defense filing said. “The government now indicates it will rest its case after just six weeks.””
Read more:
Citizen WElls 
Army DAV — OldSalt
I have a question.
I was just reading some of the DREAM act, created by George Soros of course, wherby one of the several methods for illegal aliens can obtain a pathway to US Citizenship is….
1). Must have served at least 2 years in the US Armed Services.
Question:
Now how does an illegal alien join the Navy or Army, for example???
I am aware that under special military requirements we allow non-US citizens to participate and at times allowed to join, but that is not the same thing as an illegal Alien in the US illegally and simply ran down to the local milatary recrutiers office and was allowed to join the Marines.
Could you enlighten me on this subject please,
Thanks
Oppps…
Military
Impeachable offence???
Pres not willing to secure boarders ,ORDERED THE FENCE BUILDING STOPPED THE DAY HE TOOK OFFICE 1/1/2 YRS AGO. FLOOD GATES OPEN AND POURING IN.
Knows Terroists are coming in America !!
Presidents Main job TO SECURE AMERICAN CITIZENS
http://WWW.WND.COM
http://WWW.REPUBX.COM PICS OF GULF SOOOO SAD
http://WWW.ORLYTAITZESQ.COM
Is it just me?
Persoanlly, my gut feeling tells me that the prosecution team does not wish to call more testimony or witnesses against Blago for 2 primary reasons.
1). Doing so would further expose Obama’s ties to the corruption.
2). Doing so would allow the Defence team an opportunity to cross examine their testimony further exposing Obama in the courtroom.
It appears, at the risk of a lesser sentence and not exposing Obama more than they already have, the Prosecution is willing to quickly settle.
William
DREAM act = conflict of the law, unconstitutional . I could be wrong but I heard it is another George and the GOP that was pushing for the Dream ACT, to avoid restating the draft .
Scott Brown BANS THE TEA PARTY from his FB profile!
http://iamtheteaparty.net/news/scott-brown-bans-the-tea-party-from-posting-to-his-fb-profile
I wanted to share with you all a powerful email message I received……..
Subject: Should Christians respect Obama?
This guy was on Dr. Charles Stanley’s program “In Touch” as a guest speaker. I almost shouted “HALLELUJAH” when I finished reading.
Forward or discard….it’s your choice.
Dr. David Barton is more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but very famous for his knowledge of historical facts as well as Biblical truths.
Dr. David Barton – on Obama
Respect the Office? Yes.
Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.
I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama !
I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.
I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President !
Why am I doing this ?
It is because:
– I do not share Obama’s vision or value system for America ;
– I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
– I do not share his radical Marxist’s concept of re-distributing wealth;
– I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);
– I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
– I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
– I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;
– I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than our American Citizens who need help;
– I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;
– I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;
– I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public);
– I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America ;
– I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East ; and
– I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran ..
Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama’s, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right !
For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs !
They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country!
They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant !
They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years !
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country !
They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society !
They have challenged capital punishment, the right to
bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code !
They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech !
Unite behind Obama? Never ! ! !
I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!
PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his
Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!
Majority rules in America , and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his “goals for America .”
I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country! ! Any more compromise is more defeat !
I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America !
“Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it.” – Thomas Jefferson
GOD bless you and GOD bless our Country ! ! !
Mort Zuckerman: Obama Is Barely Treading Water
The hope that fired up the election of Barack Obama has flickered out, leaving a national mood of despair and disappointment. Americans are dispirited over how wrong things are and uncertain they can be made right again. Hope may have been a quick breakfast, but it has proved a poor supper. A year and a half ago Obama was walking on water. Today he is barely treading water. Then, his soaring rhetoric enraptured the nation. Today, his speeches cannot lift him past a 45 percent approval rating.
http://tinyurl.com/2e9nukq
I posted this in the previous thread, but it won’t hurt to repeat it.
Mort Zuckerman Admits He Helped Write One Of Obama’s Speeches
http://tinyurl.com/29cn2nr
http://tinyurl.com/2cd8mva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETfuslsWZE&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zPmvMiRUYQ&feature=player_embedded#!
LM,
What are these youtube videos about? I don’t see a brief title?
The reason I ask is simply because I am on my G1 mobile and it takes me 10 min. To open one up. Befoe I do that, I would like to know if it is of interest to me.
Thanks
Before
William at 10:41 am
What are these youtube videos about? I don’t see a brief title?
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The first is a video clip of Bill O’Reilly saying that Eric Holder is now the worst attorney general ever.
The second is a video to protect state borders, polls…Vote 2012/12 like its your last chance to save America.
Oakland’s police chief is making some dire claims about what his force will and will not respond to if layoffs go as planned.
Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers will no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.
http://tinyurl.com/29sd725
William // July 13, 2010 at 10:41 am
OK…I will put the title…sorry about that.
Jonah // July 13, 2010 at 9:11 am
Titled should Christians respect Obama ??
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I hear you ! And i respectfully draw attention to the other part of the Clergy who were deceived by Obama’s flattery, and were on the Mall for the inauguration.
T.D. Jake’s, Rod Parsley, Rick Warren, and several others who did not see the trees from the forest.
Who should have known better and not gave him a platform to slander with….
Rick Warren in particular.
Holder worst ag in history
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETfuslsWZE&feature=player_embedded
Jonah // July 13, 2010 at 9:11 am
They were invoking G-D’s blessing. I was quietly invoking, and asking for basketball sized hail on the mall.
Is this not evidence of plot to murder Police Officers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJVPPi_iAk&feature=player_embedded
The beauty of the Citizen Grand Jury system is it only takes 25 Patriots to Indict bo & his local co-conspirators in your city. You don’t need the approval of politicians, judges or da’s.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
Could the idea behind this be that 4 months gives a fall time frame ( November election) and 6 weeks gives enough time to forget the trial of the ‘pay to play’ insinuations of involvement by the fraud??
The beauty of the Citizen Grand Jury system is it only takes 25 Patriots to Indict bo & his local co-conspirators in your city. You don’t need the approval of politicians, judges or da’s.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009/05/presenting-obama-indictments-to.html
The beauty of the Citizen Grand Jury system is it only takes 25 Patriots to Indict bo & his local co-conspirators in your city. You don’t need the approval of politicians, judges or da’s.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
CW,
It is hard to tell it the fix is in for conviction of blago or the fix is in for an acquittal or hung jury.
Regardless of the fix, this trial reeks with cover-up for bo.
Dearborn Mayor Jack O’Reilly has released a five-page letter defending the police department’s arrest of four Christians at a recent Arab festival.
“The City of Dearborn has been under attack for several years by a group identifying themselves as Acts 17 Apologetics,” he wrote. “They arrive in Dearborn with the intent to disrupt a local cultural festival and misrepresent facts in order to further their mission of raising funds through emotional response.”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=178293
Black conservatives from the National Center for Public Policy Research released this powerful statement today condemning the NAACP for their radical resolution against tea party protesters.
http://tinyurl.com/2cjfu2z
Philo-Publius // July 13, 2010 at 11:27 am
I know this is serious, but years ago, when my car was broken into, I was told via phone to go home and report the incident…apparently, this practice frees up officers for other duties—but still, we are aware the tax dollars are being stolen and misplaced –like some particular bank accounts???
Gotta have that pond in the park, also.
Harry Reid said what?!?!
From the man who described millions of illegal alien border crossers and visa-overstayers and deportation fugitives as “undocumented Ameircans” comes a new set of open-borders nitwittery, via Las Vegas 8NewsNow reporter Nathan Baca. Watch Harry Reid claim that there are no illegal aliens working in the construction business in Nevada.
http://michellemalkin.com/2010/07/13/harry-reid-said-what/
From today’s e-mail:: Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
From today’s e-mail::
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Subject: The Gulf Smells………….
1. 4 Weeks before the BP blowout Obama builds an alibi—“I am opening offshore drilling off of all the Coastal U.S.” Goldman Sachs dumps nearly all of its stock 40%+ in BP, a profitable winner. Days before they dump the rest.
2. BP ignores the advice of all the drilling contractors on making the well safe. BRITISH Petroleum had a manager directing drilling who had never been on an offshore rig before, that purposely ignored all safety warnings. BP ignores Transoceanic warnings about a problem with the blowout preventers. BP ignores repeated warnings on numerous problems from numerous sub-contractors.
3. The well explodes under suspicious circumstances, but BP does nothing immediately to control it. Why? The Dutch offer to have it controlled in 48 hours. They are ignored.
4. Obama sacks his National Intelligence Director (a Navy Admiral) who cannot comment on intelligence, or the reasons he was sacked because of Federal Laws.
5. BP top fills the well but it fails as predicted in advance by numerous oil professionals causing downhole damage to the well which has
caused a massive pollution of the southern U.S. The way they bungled
everything, the Gulf will be dead for decades!
6. Obama now declares ALL drilling is suspended in the Gulf and makes numerous PR trips to the Gulf to look like he is outraged.
7. John Podesta is Obama’s man that built his cabinet, and all his Czars
8. John Podesta is also head of George Soros ‘Center for American Progress’ (a socialist organization dedicated to killing capitalism in America and for building according to Soros “A New World Order”)
9. John Podesta’s brother is the lead lobbyist for British Petroleum, whose services are now in huge demand.
10. Soros was a huge contributor to Obama’s campaign
11. Soros invested $900 million in Petrobras, the Brazilian government controlled oil company that plans on drilling offshore in Brazil, yet cannot get the deepwater rigs operating in the Gulf
12. Days after Soros investment, Obama grants $2 billion to Petrobras of U.S. taxpayers dollars to drill offshore in Brazil….the company nets over $15 Billion annually
13. U.S. drilling companies must do something with their now idled rigs and are planning on moving them off to South America—-to Petrobras which will supply the oil to the U.S. as an Import
14. Obama gives a patsy White House Oval Office speech on the disaster, but also during the speech he states the need for Carbon Taxes….Cap and Trade.
15. The carbon tax exchange will be based in…You guessed it…….Chicago….and called the CCX…..The CHICAGO Climate Exchange
The Joyce Foundation, a private U.S. foundation which provides funding and support to initiatives focusing on education, environment and employment in the Great Lakes region. The Joyce Foundation was established in 1948 by Beatrice Joyce Kean of Chicago . Since its inception, the foundation has made grants of more than $600 million.
Some of those grants include $1.1 million to Richard Sandor in 2000-2001 to create the Chicago Climate Exchange. Former Board of Directors’
members include President Barack Obama (1994-2002) and Valerie Jarrett, his top adviser.
Who will benefit from the Chicago Climate Exchange….You guessed it…..Obama and his buddies, Goldman Sachs and the Chicago crew.
Who will benefit from Obama’s shutdown of drilling in the Gulf……You guessed it……Obama and his buddy George Soros
Who benefits from Obama sending $2 Billion of taxpayer dollars to a company that Nets $15 Billion per year…..You guessed it…….Obama and his buddies.
Who is Obama screwing again…..You guessed it…..American Citizens.
Barack Hussein Obama is intent on the total destruction of America.
He does nothing to stop the Illegal invasion from Mexico, he does nothing to fix the banking problem, he does nothing to stop the blowout, he DOES NOTHING to stop the downfall of America while he plays golf, travels to Ohio for 10 minute speeches at a cost of $750,000, listens to Paul McCartney concerts, and goes to baseball games in NY. What do you expect from someone that never produced his Birth Certificate, has gone around the world Apologizing for America ’s past actions, and bowing to the head of the Muslim World.
Thanks Philo and LM,
Intersting. Mr. Bill Oh-really suddenly on board with insulting the annointed one and his admin.?
I don’t buy it, other than he is attmpting to gain back some disappointing viewer ratings from his plundging polls numbers, simular to the socialist dems now claiming fiscal responsibility, smaller government and reduction of spending, at the time of course during election cycle.
As Mr. Bill Oh-Really defended the annointed one during his personal 1 hour interview with him, he claimed he would make a good President because ” he is a loving father, loves his kids and Michelle”.
Since when did loving your kids make you an excellent leader of the free world? BS….., again, he is attempting to gain support, nothing more.
In my opinion of course.
But who knows, maybe I am just frightened to death of Bill Oh-really. I’m shaking. Can’t you tell.
He needs to go
Reporting on the Gulf oil spill is now a Class D felony, punishable by a fine of up to $40,000.
http://tinyurl.com/2d2fbz5
CBS’s Schieffer Interviews Eric Holder, Ignores Black Panther Case
http://tinyurl.com/33usd2j
Guess like the WH, CBS is not paying attention to it.
The news would be if one of these jerks actually asked a serious question and demanded an answer.
previously
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Richard,
“can you cite even one case of a successful CGJ in the last 50 years? Especially one in which a prominent government official was tackled?”
Recent CGJ efforts are mostly PR ploys and are legally impotent.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html
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There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians, 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Tom w. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, in the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Richard,
“can you cite even one case of a successful CGJ in the last 50 years? Especially one in which a prominent government official was tackled?”
Recent CGJ efforts are mostly PR ploys and are legally impotent.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html
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Thank you for posting the excellent article on why the illegitimate AGJ grand juries have not worked:
“Why citizen grand juries haven’t worked up until now:
In short, sloppy legal work and overeager but clumsy and misinformed patriots.
There is a very important issue that isn’t being discussed. The obvious problem with AGJ is even if a presentment were accepted by a jurisdiction the first question a judge or prosecutor would ask would be; “How was this Grand Jury formed?” If the question were answered accurately one would need to reveal that a group of citizens with the desire to indict AKA Obama got together and indicted him. So the next question the judge would ask is, “So there was not a random selection of Grand Jury members to insure basic fairness and people found out that the purpose of the Grand Jury was to indict AKA Obama and that is why they volunteered to serve? Is that is how jury members were selected?”
And we would be forced to say, “Yes Your Honor, that is how it was done.” And the judge would rightfully say, “I can’t order a trial on the recommendation of a Grand Jury convened in that manner.” And the jeering would begin.”
Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be indicted.mp4
Free Speech // July 12, 2010 at 3:43 pm
(from prior thread)
“It’s hilarious how boBots come here intermittantly seeking info on Citizen Grand Jury indictments of their messiah while trying to deny their overwhelming concern about Citizen Grand Jury indictments of their messiah.”
“Here’s some pro bono legal advice for you boBots, if you are in the United States, you are going to be indicted as a criminal co-conspirator in all of the crimes committed by bo, including but not limited to MURDER, TREASON, ASSAULT, IDENTITY THEFT, FRAUD ETC. unless you provide evidence of all crimes committed by bo to your local LEO’s”
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FS, a number of folks that post here have been called boBots. I have reread your above statements several times in order to understand what you are inferring. When you say, “Here’s some pro bono legal advice for you boBots, if you are in the United States, you are going to be
indicted as a criminal co-conspirator in all of the crimes committed by bo, including but not limited to MURDER, TREASON, ASSAULT…..unless you provide evidence of all crimes committed by bo to your local LEO’s”, what exactly DO YOU MEAN?
If you mean the above statements exactly the way they come across, aren’t you making a quantum leap? If there is someone who has supported Obama (not me) and still may hold out hope (not me), you would call that person a
boBot. Is there going to be some sort of witchhunt looking for boBots and charging them with conspiracy? Wow!! That’s all I can say!
It would be great to know that you didn’t mean your remarks as bluntly as you stated them, becaause if you did then we will have vigilante justice, and CGJ justice could end up being worse than what we have now. Far worse!!
Especially in light of some of the caustic and cynical attitude we see displayed among some Patriots these days. Perhaps we are not too far from the days of the Wild West?
Sam Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 1:14 pm
For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this little tid bit:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ms. Pacific and her assistant eventually repaid over $30,000.
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
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Thanks Sam.
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Say what I mean, mean what I say. However, I did not call you a boBot, Cabby, so it is odd that you put on that ignominious shoe.
Free Speech – 1:23 PM
You quote Sam Sewell –
” But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate”
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Point taken – BUT, this is an illustration of a regular grand jury such as operates now (because there is reference to a prosecutor involved) . It is not an example of the CGJ’s you are encouraging, because, as we know, the judicial system has been operating under rules of criminal procedure and won’t accept CGJ presentments.
Isn’t it a bit unfair to use this example to support CITIZEN grand juries (the way you have often described them)? Just asking.
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Say what I mean, mean what I say. However, I did not call you a boBot, Cabby, so it is odd that you put on that ignominious shoe.
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FS, I didn’t put on any shoe – unless it would be that of “lady justice.” Only in the interest of TRUTH was this subject brought up. If you meant what you said in the way that you did, then I have one conclusion to make: You either don’t understand the import of the way you said what you did, OR you are rash and reckless in your beliefs.
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Say what I mean, mean what I say.
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… if you are in the United States, you are going to be indicted as a criminal co-conspirator in all of the crimes committed by bo, including but not limited to MURDER, TREASON, ASSAULT…..unless you provide evidence of all crimes committed by bo to your local LEO’s …
WANH?
I read that to and choked. I just figured there were typos or something got lost in translation. But now that you defend it???
This is totally bizarre. I don’t see a reasonable or tame meaning for this. Perhaps you had better explain in more detail?
Taxpayers have paid out nearly $1 million per year in settlements to congressional employees who have been harassed or otherwise treated badly by their political bosses over the past 14 years, according to records from the Office of Compliance.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39637.html
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 1:51 pm
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I posted some important stuff on this very issue at the end of the previous thread.
The 10 Minutes fight between Megyn Kelly and Kirsten Powers on FNC may be the greatest ten minutes of television, ever.
I mean it.
Somebody please send me this clip. Not only did Kelly reveal Powers to be a know-nothing mouthpiece for the left (something I’ve always asserted), but she further owned her for knowing next to zero about the New Black Panther case.
http://minx.cc/?post=303579
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 1:51 pm
the judicial system has been operating under rules of criminal procedure and won’t accept CGJ presentments.
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U make a false statement. State Courts allow for presentments, but of course U know that don’t U?
My guess is boBots are more afraid of presentments to indict bo & his co-conspirators to Conventional Grand Juries than anything.
UR posts tend to confirm my suspicions.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR is honored by interview with origina Black Panther founder.
Bobby Seale, founder of the original Black Panthers, not to be associated with the New Black Panther movement. What an honor to talk to you today, and what a great discussion. I really appreciate your time, Bobby.
http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/08/cnr.02.html
And this is what they call news? Maybe she got a thrill up her leg!!
There is an old saying, people accuse others of doing what they themselves would do. Given that, we should not be surprised when the Secretary of State in MO, Ms. Robin Carnahan (D), required Mexican born, Mr. Maldonado, to provide proof of US citizenship to run for office. He received the certified letter below, from her office stating that it was “part of candidate verification process.”. Apparently none of the other candidates were required to show proof of citizenship. Ms. Robin Carnahan is also running for the Senate seat. President Obama visited Missouri on July 8, 2010 to campaign for her.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/07/letter-from-mo-sos-robin-carnahan.html
Philo-Publius // July 13, 2010 at 2:29 pm
There is an old saying, people accuse others of doing what they themselves would do. Given that, we should not be surprised when the Secretary of State in MO, Ms. Robin Carnahan (D), required Mexican born, Mr. Maldonado, to provide proof of US citizenship to run for office. He received the certified letter below, from her office stating that it was “part of candidate verification process.”. Apparently none of the other candidates were required to show proof of citizenship. Ms. Robin Carnahan is also running for the Senate seat. President Obama visited Missouri on July 8, 2010 to campaign for her.
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Ah, I see, “jdirt” has recruited helpers for his little scam. Here’s what I told “jdirt” on my blog.
PP, you identify the exhibit as a “certified” letter. Mr. Maldonado identified the letter he received was “Registered.” Either way, as I said, no designation appears in the image provided by this “jdirt” that would allow the viewer to confirm, such letter was actually issued by the office of the MO SoS to Mr. Maldonado.
P.S. Still no such letter appearing on Mr. Maldonado’s campaign web site.
jbjd at 2:41 pm
PP, you identify the exhibit as a “certified” letter.
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Jdirt did. I merely copied/pasted for those interested in reading the full article.
I was not aware of your comments about Jdirt. Now that I know, I will consider the source when reading his postings and I thank you for pointing it out.
A coalition of booksellers and Internet content providers has filed a federal lawsuit challenging a new Massachusetts law that outlaws the sending of sexually graphic instant messages to minors.
The new law was designed to close a loophole that prompted a court to overturn the conviction of a man accused of sending explicit instant messages to a 13-year-old. The court found that instant messages weren’t covered by the state’s obscenity law. The new law added instant and text messages, e-mail and other electronic communications.
In a lawsuit filed Tuesday, the American Civil Liberties Union and the other groups say the expanded law goes too far, allowing for the censorship of legal discussion, such as contraception and pregnancy, sexual health, literature and art.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100713/ap_on_hi_te/us_instant_messaging_loophole_1
So sending porn to young teenage girls is now considered art.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 13, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Thanks, CC, for the notice re. your prior posts –
You hit it right on! Situations are becoming more clear as the discussions progress.
LM // July 13, 2010 at 9:10 am
Hope all the folks who did all the pr0-Scott pre-election calling orchestrate a campaign among MA voters to effect his resignation or recall.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
(Declaration of Independence)
Since Scott’s “power” derives ONLY from the consent of the governed, let the MA citizens revoke their consent to be governed by him.
We don’t elect citizens to the position of unimpeachable mini-tyrant. We don’t have to suffer leaders who misappropriate the power we’ve granted them.
Tell your member of Congress to support House Discharge Petition Number 11
http://www.capwiz.com/americansforprosperity/issues/alert/?alertid=15238206&type=CO
U left out some of most important info.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html
For information on Crimes committed by the bo campaign:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
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Philo-Publius // July 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm
jbjd at 2:41 pm
PP, you identify the exhibit as a “certified” letter.
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Jdirt did. I merely copied/pasted for those interested in reading the full article.
I was not aware of your comments about Jdirt. Now that I know, I will consider the source when reading his postings and I thank you for pointing it out.
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You are welcome. Actually, thank you. Because of your comment, I posted an important update to my original article. Let me explain.
After I corrected your use of the word “Certified” with “Registered,” I went back and ‘checked the tape.’ The Branson Radio interview video, that is. And on that tape, Mr. Maldonado claims, he received a “Certified” letter. (See, Starla, as I said, I make mistakes!) Naturally, I would issue a correction on the blog. Only, first, I re-checked the other tape, that is, the FreedomTorch interview I mentioned in the article, which had occurred one month earlier. And on that tape, Mr. Maldonado clearly states, the SoS sent him a “Registered” letter. (Starla, WND also printed he received a Certified letter, although it appears, having neither seen the letter nor interview the man, the author’s ‘research’ cannot be said to be faulty. No; she was merely transcribing the Branson tape and then posting the transcription with her byline, like any other article.)
More evidence this story is bogus.
Witness: “Rahm Emanuel asked me to call Blagojevich to say President Elect Barack Obama wanted Valerie Jarrett”
When Valerie Jarrett was still in contention for the Senate seat in early November 2008, Rahm Emanuel called longtime Rod Blagojevich friend John Wyma.
Emanuel wanted Wyma to deliver a message to Blagojevich.
Wyma, a state lobbyist, just testified that Emanuel told him to call Blagojevich and express something on behalf of the President-Elect.
“He said the President-Elect would value and appreciate Valerie Jarrett in the Senate seat,” Wyma said.
Wyma said he then tried to call Blagojevich at home but “missed him.”
He then called Blagojevich chief of staff John Harris.
Wyma said he passed on Emanuel’s message.
“I told him it would make sense to have Valerie as a pick,” Wyma said.
Harris told him he would give the message “unabridged and unedited” to the then-governor.
The significance here is Wyma had been cooperating with the government for several weeks. He made a call on Emanuel’s behalf at the time that the then-Governor was hoping to get something in return for the Senate seat. The week before that phone call, Blagojevich had expressed his interest in a cabinet position in exchange for the Senate seat.
While the prosecution played a recording of Robert Blagojevich’s call to Wyma asking for funds from Children’s Memorial Hospital, Wyma admitted to attorney Michael Ettinger that he didn’t know whether Robert Blagojevich also knew that the hospital was at the same time seeking state monies.
Now Blagojevich’s lawyer, Sheldon Sorosky is questioning Wyma: “You don’t mind if I call you John, do you?
Wyma: “Do you mind if I call you Shelly?” He says to much laughter in the courtroom.
Sorosky: “Not at all.”
(Excerpt) more with great comments:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/blago/2010/07/witness_rahm_emanuel_asked_me_1.html
Bill O’Reilly,
Speak the truth. Eric Holder is a lawless despot and o. puppet who is intent upon destroying the rule of law in the U.S., as well as, about subjugating the entire DOJ to the sole will of the foreign usurper in the WH.
Holder is the illegal, unconstitutional appointee of the illegal, unconstitutional, fraudulent (i.e. NOT elected by the people) foreign usurper, whose real name we do not even know. aka obama.
Call him like he is. When you call him the AG, you lend credence to the LIE.
Instead of calling him the worst AG ever, call for his resignation, or, better yet, his arrest, indictment, and conviction for his crimes.
P.S. When will you air your interview with Dr. Orly?
(http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=12233)
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 13, 2010
… if you are in the United States…
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CC, PATHETIC when boBots edit posts to give false impression because they can’t win an argument forthrightly, honestly.
This is a new low, CC.
It appears the boBots are terribly concerned about the information that Sam and I provided today.
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm
• There are many examples of Grand Juries doing their duties are indicting corrupt politicians. 3 judges have been indicted in the last 20 years in Nashville alone. The most recent judge to be indicted by the Grand Jury was Tom w. Brothers for drug money laundering.
It is rare that a Grand Jury indicts a DA but it has happened in the celebrated case of Dutch Shultz, in the Nifong North Carolina case and in these recent cases.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/614/police_drug_corruption
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-medina_15tex.ART.State.Edition1.45a30ee.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury
Sam Sewell // July 13, 2010 at 1:14 pm
For those who are skeptical of the power of the Grand Jury to operate independent of the prosecutor or indeed target a prosecutor. Take a look at this little tid bit:
Because grand juries are generally composed of ordinary citizens with no special training or experience in the law, they usually follow the lead of the prosecutor assigned to them. The classic complaint of defendants’ attorneys is that grand jurors would indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asked them to. But they don’t always do as the prosecutor wishes, as Jeannene Pacific, the district attorney in Jones County, Mississippi, discovered. Ms. Pacific became the target of her own grand jury when it sought to investigate over $35,000 paid by the county’s Worthless Check Unit to Pacific and her staff as “salary supplements.” Alarmed, Pacific asked the local court to forbid the grand jury’s actions. Although the local court did so, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled that the grand jury had the power to investigate:
“The grand jury must be free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench on the legitimate rights of any witness called before it. The court generally cannot limit the grand jury, its legitimate investigation, interfere with its investigatory function, control the nature of its investigation, prohibit consideration of offenses within any particular class of crimes, stay its proceedings, dismiss a matter, or do various other things.”
Ex Parte Jones County Grand Jury, 705 So. 2d 1308 (Miss. 1997)
CC (FUBO) and Richard,
Excuse me for interrupting your ongoing and unrequited requests for citations from Leo the Lawyer but I think I can help.
In so many words, you have been asking for examples of rulings from the court honoring indictments generated by grand juries, where such indictments ‘originated’ with those grand juries and were not reached as the result of specific requests submitted to such grand juries by the prosecuting attorney.
And that’s the information Leo gave you. However, this is not what you were trying to get.
Guys, remember, you are speaking to an attorney. You needed to add a qualifying line at the end, so as to prevent Leo and his pal, Sam, from bamboozling you.
After the words “prosecuting attorney” and before the period, insert these words: “; or issued by a grand jury serving at their own discretion and not as the result of a summons to serve issued by the court”
You are welcome.
http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq1.htm
Have U no response.
Cabby, I don’t care if bo & co-conspirators are indicted by a standing Grand Jury, a special Grand Jury, a Federal Grand Jury, a State Grand Jury, a Citizens Grand Jury or whatever as long as bo & co-conspirators are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Notice that Justice Scalia doesn’t split any of the hairs that you are unsuccessfully attempting to split.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
TIM SCOTT STATEMENT ON NAACP RESOLUTION CONDEMNING TEA PARTY AS “RACIST
Tim Scott, Republican candidate for Congress in South Carolina’s First Congressional District, issued the following statement today:
“I understand that the NAACP, at its annual conference in Kansas City, will vote today on a resolution condemning the Tea Party movement as “racist”. I believe that the NAACP is making a grave mistake in stereotyping a diverse group of Americans who care deeply about their country and who contribute their time, energy and resources to make a difference.”
“As I campaign in South Carolina, I participate in numerous events sponsored by the Tea Party, 9/12, Patriot, and other like-minded groups, and I have had the opportunity to get to know many of the men and women who make up these energetic grassroots organizations. Americans need to know that the Tea Party is a color-blind movement that has principled differences with many of the leaders in Washington, both Democrats and Republicans. Their aim is to support the strongest candidates – regardless of color or background – who will fight to return our country to its Constitutional roots of limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets.”
http://www.votetimscott.com/2010/07/13/tim-scott-statement-on-naacp-resolution-condemning-tea-party-as-racist/
jbjd // July 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm
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Indeed. That is precisely the question. Thanks for the words.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 13, 2010 at 6:20 pm
You keep asking the same old question expecting a different result. No one privy to secret Grand Jury info is going to give you any info. Regarding successful Citizen Grand Juries that have already indicted the info in all over the internet. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.
Frankly, I don’t care if bo & co-conspirators are indicted by a standing Grand Jury, a special Grand Jury, a Federal Grand Jury, a State Grand Jury, a Citizens Grand Jury or whatever as long as bo & co-conspirators are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Fyi, since 1978 several dem politicians have been indicted by Grand Juries in Tennessee: A dem governor, dem senator, 3 dem judges, and several other dems in lesser offices.
Clearly, U have not done much research on the recent history of successful Grand Jury indictments of democrat politicians.
Notice that Justice Scalia doesn’t split any of the hairs that you are unsuccessfully attempting to split.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 13, 2010
… if you are in the United States…
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CC, PATHETIC when boBots edit posts to give false impression because they can’t win an argument forthrightly, honestly.
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I guess that means you just called be a boBot. But rather than stoop to that level, let me try again.
I did not intend to reformulate your statement. I went back and looked and it seems to me the only thing I left out was “Here’s some pro bono legal advice for you boBots … “.
Now, given that boBot is a subjective term that does not mean anything (simply an epithet, if you will), I figured this was just an emotional preamble to the point you were trying to make.
But, be that as it may, rather than attacking me, it would be much more helpful to everybody if you would explain in what way you feel I have mangled your thesis.
After all, that is simply what I asked for in the first place – further clarification on what you were trying to say.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) // July 13, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Come on Citizen Carlyle don’t U have any facts or law to cite. I am not going to humor your personal attacks any longer.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/winning-against-obots-and-astroturfers.html
(brought over from prior thread – it fits)
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Free Speech – After reviewing the exchanges here on this thread and subsequent ones for July 13th, I have come to a conclusion.
Back in 2009 you wrote a serious essay on the strength of and advisability of pursuing citizens grand juries as a means to accomplish judicial relief. I’ve read that and have respect for your thoughts.
Now nearly two years later you are expounding on this approach – many, many times, along with the assistance of Sam Sewell (Aristotle the Hun).
Naturally some of us have serious questions and have frequently brought them out publicly.
Usually your responses to our questions are either side-stepped, ridiculed, or subverted into something never asked. After a certain period of time – weeks and months, not just days – it is pretty easy to come to personal conclusions.
I won’t be so presumptive as to express my own conclusions, because that would not be proper. First of all, I do not have full knowledge of your own circumstances, and it would be patently unfair to make a public judgment.
Secondly, I don’t want to add beyond what is already evident – It’s unnecessary.
I have found that it is not productive to enter into discussions about the CGJ issue with you.
That will free you up to concentrate on other pressing, current matters. I’m always, however, interested in your views accordingly.
Others have and will come to their own conclusions.
jbjd – 5:44 PM
Thanks for expounding on this issue, which seems to be becoming a distraction, of sorts, from realistic efforts that CAN go forward within the present framework of the law.
I remember the first time you posted at CW right after I started using the computer. There were some things you said that I was at odds with at the time. I did express my opinion and remember that your response was well reasoned. Of course, then I did not know of your legal expertise. We may not always agree on everything, but any discussion involving your opinions is profitable and results in traction.
Traction and worthwhile debate are hard to come by at times.
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 7:57 pm
In other words you don’t have an answer to this. I welcome a cessation of your personal attacks. Sad that you had to resort to personal attacks because the facts and law don’t support you.
Cabby, I don’t care if bo & co-conspirators are indicted by a standing Grand Jury, a special Grand Jury, a Federal Grand Jury, a State Grand Jury, a Citizens Grand Jury or whatever as long as bo & co-conspirators are indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
Notice that Justice Scalia doesn’t split any of the hairs that you are unsuccessfully attempting to split.
United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated in the case of United States vs. Williams: “Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history, the Grand Jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the three branches described in the first three Articles. It is a constitutional fixture in its own right…In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.”
Free Speech // July 13, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Cabby – AZ // July 13, 2010 at 7:57 pm
In other words you don’t have an answer to this. I welcome a cessation of your personal attacks. Sad that you had to resort to personal attacks because the facts and law don’t support you.
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FS, I have plenty of answers – just won’t make them public. I have never made personal attacks on you, and you know it, unless you consider honest questions as attacks. Then so be it. No further response on my part is necessary.
Cabby – AZ
Have you been to Sedona ? Painted desert ?
jbjd,
Thank you for the link at 5:44 pm.
Richard // July 13, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Cabby – AZ
Have you been to Sedona ? Painted desert ?
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Yes, to both, Richard. In fact, I have lived in Sedona for the last 34 years – hard to believe.
It is the most wonderful place to live, and although it has grown substantially since we first came, the charm and beauty are still here. “Peace” is the way it could be described.
I only visited the Painted Desert twice – once in 1959 when we first came to AZ. It had just rained and the colors were exceptionally vivid. Later when we returned home to Ohio (moved to Phx a couple of year later) I tried to get slides from the Arizona Highways magazine. None of them came up to what we saw. One other time we took a trip and revisited it again – The colors were much more subdued – still great – but never to repeat that first visit.
Arizona is a wonderful, varied state with something for everyone. Just 27 miles away there is skiing in the winter. I’ve traveled the state considerably. One of my favorites is the Coronado Trail in the White Mountain area (eastern area close to N.M.)
Cabby-AZ,
I can imagine the sunbursts in the mornings and evenings illuminating all of the colors.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, i’ve never been there.
Richard – 9:48 PM –
For those who would like a little respite before bedtime, I want to post a 4 min. video of some of the sights of the Sedona-Oak Creek Canyon area in Az. It is NOT a promotional, but produced by a valuable non-profit, volunteer organization, Keep Sedona Beautiful, whose people pick up litter in and around the city. I hope this is OK and that you enjoy. (just pictures and musical background):
Forgot to post video:
C-AZ: Wow. Just wow.
C-AZ: I cannot contest someone’s opinion; each of us is entitled to that. But I can require reason or, an argument based on fact. Thanks for appreciating the difference.
Richard: You are welcome.
CC(FUBO): I already said you are welcome, in advance!
Candidate For Congress Says The People Have The Right To Know If Obama Is Eligible To Serve
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfMNZqrmZo