2010 elections, Congress, Action plan, October 17, 2009, Citizen Wells bloggers, Congressmen accountable, US House, US Senate, Statesmen not politicians, We must all hang together

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”…Benjamin Franklin

Part I – October 15 post request for comments on changing Congress in 2010

“This is the Citizen Wells open thread for Thursday, October 15, 2009. However, I have a request. Before the general election in 2008, we created the US Constitution Hall of shame. We contacted state election officials and congressmen regarding Obama’s lack of eligibility to be president and asked these public officials to honor and follow the dictates of the US Constitution.

As I have stated repeatedly, the biggest single problem in this country is Congress. They allowed Obama to be elected.

They contributed to the mortgage and financial meltdowns and subsequently, in tandem with the illegal, corrupt and socialist Obama administration, exacerbated our financial problems with rampant government spending. Now they are trying to ram down our throats a unpopular health care plan that will greatly worsen our health care and financial situation.

Now, with the upcoming 2010 elections approaching,  is the time for united, single minded efforts, as Americans first, to change this un American, non constitutional, out of control Congress. We must put aside our differences of politics, religion and most certainly our egos.

Our efforts as well as other concerned Americans to contact congressmen and record their lack of respect for the US Constitution will be used as a springboard to move forward into and beyond the 2010 elections. We will use voting records on ACORN funding and the health care bill as score cards. Let them pass a health care bill.

 Congress has acted in utter defiance of the US Constitution and the will of the American public. Their day of reckoning is near. Let them ramrod a health care bill down our throats. We will replace these politicians with statesmen who will do the job they are elected to do. 

What I am asking you to do is this. Let’s begin the process of coming together to organize. This will not be easy and we will be fought to the end, tooth and nail.

First of all, provide your thoughts in comments here today. Begin compiling a list of trusted individuals, bloggers, talk show hosts, attorneys, etc. I plan to be part of this, however, we must combine our resources and efforts. When we choose who to align with we must be careful to pick only those who put God and America first, those with respect for the US Constitution and those who are not motivated by money.

Also, there are websites out there now that do a good job of covering certain aspects, perhaps they can be a central repository for that information.

SC Representative Joe Wilson, a patriot and statesman, will be our poster congressman.

Share your thoughts here.”


One of the reasons for this post was to get feedback from you. Thank you for your comments.
If you want political correctness, you are in the wrong place.

“In God we trust” was removed from this coin. The word God will not be removed from this blog.



Next I need to clarify what I mean by God.

God is a word we humans use, inadequately to refer to the creator of the universe. We all have a different perception of this entity. Part of this comprehension of our place in the universe is understanding that we are not God and consequently we need a moral compass to guide our actions and interactions with other humans, life forms and the universe itself. So I am referring to a moral compass that is larger than our egos and personal desires. Without it we are savages.

I by no means am trying to impose my beliefs on anyone. In fact, as I stated in the post of Oct 15, we must put aside our minute  differences to save this country. However, all one has to do is examine the lack of moral compass of this administration
and some members of Congress to realize that we must be guided by principals that override our own personal desires and agendas.

Whether or not you believe as I do, you are welcome on this blog.

Part II – October 17 feedback on your comments and steps we can take to prepare for 2010 elections

The Obama administration, Obama thugs and far left mainstream media have characterized opposition to the socialist policies of Obama and Congress as right winger, Republican attacks. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of this groundswell of concern and patriotism has come from everyday working people of all political parties who are fed up with having legislation rammed down their throats. Fed up with socialist, criminal groups like ACORN receiving hard earned tax payer dollars. Fed up with political games that endanger existing health care coverage and threaten to further destroy  this nation’s economy. Fed up with Obama lies.

We have witnessed historic gatherings of American patriots in Tea Parties and Town Halls across the nation. This has clearly been a grass roots effort of people who care about this country and the nation they will leave to their children and grandchildren. We have witnessed good people that comment on this blog attending Town Halls and Tea Parties across the country. Some of these people not only took the time and expense to attend but some took photos and reported the stories. The beginning of citizen journalism to report the truth despite the best efforts of the MSM to cover it up.

I have stated repeatedly for many months, and I am 100% certain of this, that Congress is at the core of most of our collective government problems. We have an opportunity in the 2010 elections to change Congress. This is a turning point in US History and we must not fail.

I have also stated repeatedly that I do not care for any of the political parties, To state the obvious, they are extremely self serving. I do not see how anyone who cares about this country, who is intelligent and well informed, can support the modern day Democrat party. The Democrat party has been hijacked by far left, socialist and even communist extremists. This does not mean that I totally support a Republican, Independent or other party agenda. Many choices in life are between the lesser of evils. We may have to kick all the Democrats out of Congress just to get rid of Obama. And believe me, the Obama thugs will fight this like a cornered wild animal.

One of the most important things we must do is to get lazy, apathetic Americans off of their behinds to get more involved and most certainly more informed. Who is going to inform them? You and I.

The other important thing we must do, with the help of our newly motivated friends, family and neighbors is to send a clear signal to congressmen that we are watching henceforth to the end of time. We expect them to listen, to act more like statesmen and less like career politicians and do the job of representing our best interests and protecting this nation. This can be done without organizing, without committee meetings without raising funds. I have been doing this with my local sphere of influence. One of the comments from the October 15 post impressed me:

Kim // October 14, 2009 at 10:51 pm

“Locally, I am getting a neighborhood watch program started.

For us to be more organized online, step it up on targeted actions. We have to focus our efforts simultaneously. Identify an elected official or issue that needs leaning on and act. Bloggers can help strategize how best to attack an issue.

More cohesiveness with other blogs so we can spread info even faster. Find other blogs to bring in.”
One person can make a difference. The multiplier effect of each person that gets involved and in turn involves others, is enormous. One of my favorite examples of how each person affects the lives of those around them is Jimmy Stewart in “It’s a Wonderful Life.” Clearly our actions, inactions and impact on our world does indeed matter.

Here a some more comments from October 15 post on this blog:

twe // October 14, 2009 at 8:41 pm
“CW–Great idea…and something that someone should have done long time ago re trusted sites, etc. Perhaps you should list the obvious ones so the thread doesn’t get bombarded with those. I nominate CW site first!!
Then, we can work on the not so well-known or obvious. Also recommend listing by types of sites such as blog sites, radio shows, TV shows, etc, so we can be organized about this. Show identifying data such as phone numbers, email addys, etc.

Perhaps, you don’t want to publish something that might not be so public. We could notify you first via this method, then you can contact us in return so we could provide privately.”


SueK // October 14, 2009 at 10:03 pm 

“Evening, CW,

I have been in touch with several or Orly’s plaintiffs in her Barnett case, one state Rep. is very local to me.

Also, I was asked to connect a popular conservative talk show host in the area to the tea parties-he ended up hosting one. I’m sure he’d come on board, if asked.

It’d be no problem to reconnect with them.

I think that at this point, we’ll need to list some common talking points so that our trusted colleagues could ’speak with one voice.’

What say you?”


JJ // October 14, 2009 at 11:03 pm

“Here’s my suggestion….holding them accountable……..
As you had a Hall Of Shame, create something to that effect to allow posters to share comments, articles, voting records, and stories about each state’s congresscritters to access their stands on all issues(with links provided and resources)

………categorize it by state/party/topic and interested parties can come here to learn about their officials.

Just as I reported what McConnell stated in my letter.”


Michelle // October 14, 2009 at 11:08 pm

“Hall of Shame List
Constitution for/against Corruption Groups

Suspected Corrupted Individuals Incompetents”


hapnHal // October 15, 2009 at 12:40 am 

To me this is one of the best commentary requests you’ve put out. Were on the same page for this one. Yes, we need to get started and organized. It can be done, lets rid ourselves of all the bad CongRATS once and for all.

I would like to suggest to start by adding a new subject banner to your title page.

“Re-election 2010?

List both R and D candidates who will be up for re-election. To me, if a R is rotten, then let’s get them out of office, and likewise if a D is good, perhaps they should be kept.
I know that many on this site have much to report, which is good. But, I feel this is a topic that needs special attention and should be kept seperate from the daily blogs. Further, we need to target those who will be most vulnerable in 2010. Example: No hope Reid. Reid has to go in 2010 period.

I’m from CA and we have some real dodo’s in Congress. Most should be in a rest home….. As I’ve previously stated its not easy to find qualified replacement candidates, but we need to get started.

The big Q: “WHAT CAN I DO?”

Will report later…”


Kim // October 14, 2009 at 11:38 pm 

“WE are the media
WE are the natural born citizens
WE might have to be the military, the fallen heroes…

I say, “Let’s Roll!””


Let’s Roll

427 responses to “2010 elections, Congress, Action plan, October 17, 2009, Citizen Wells bloggers, Congressmen accountable, US House, US Senate, Statesmen not politicians, We must all hang together

  1. We are at war (like never before seen) for the survival of the American Constitutional Republic:

    John Charlton // October 17, 2009 at 10:35 am:

    Judge Carter shows his ethics


    1 Thing is certain about Obama


    SSN Fraud tied to Obama’s SSN


  2. Do your civil duty – selfishly – get involved in your civic league , the precinct level , the schoolboards the PTA/PTO – keep your ears to the ground and keep the socialist mentality out of the classroom .
    teach your Children about their faith , use vigilance in instructing them about their History as Americans and what the constitution is regarding their rights to be free – to dream – to live large or small if they so choose . Let them hear you voicing the truth about how our country is being hijacked by angry marxist brainwashed hippies from the ’60’s connect the dots – its easy / show them where the weapons are within the bill of rights and the constitution to stop the maddness and NEVER GIVE UP !

  3. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jack…..we are at WAR….unfortunately millions of Americans still have NO Clue…..that is what apathy and ignorance has led us to!!!

  4. Jacqlyn Smith

    Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

  5. I am very upset about this new development with Judge Carter’s clerk that he supposedly hired on October 1st. I doubt he will even answer the new filings that Orly worked so hard to prepare…that would likely force discovery…I do not have a background in law. I’m afraid that Carter will stay silent, just like Holder has done with the Quo Warrento Orly filed 7 months ago.
    Please someone tell me I’m WRONG!!

  6. From the last blog: JS, in those days you didn’t automatically get an SSN for your child at birth. The IRS required it years later. I know my children were all various ages when we were forced to get them SSNs to put on our tax returns.
    Leave a Comment

  7. Jacqlyn Smith


    Paulajal // October 17, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    From the last blog: JS, in those days you didn’t automatically get an SSN for your child at birth. The IRS required it years later. I know my children were all various ages when we were forced to get them SSNs to put on our tax returns.
    Leave a Comment

    Thanks Paulajal…..I got it! 🙂

  8. CW – apparently the Republican Party is doing some public research to learn more about their core constituents concerns and how to frame their messaging. Recently, they held several Focus Groups (would love to see those videos) which theobamafile.com has posted today. This research may help to inform your community as y’all plan.

    The Word From Captain Obvious

    In an article entitled, “Study: Obama Foes Aren’t Race-Driven,” Politico is reporting that racism is not a factor driving conservative opposition to Barack Obama, according to the results of focus groups conducted by Democracy Corps, a Democratic organization, released on Friday.

    Nevertheless, members of the conservative base of the GOP said they believe Obama is pursuing a “secret agenda” designed to push the country toward socialism.

    “This is a pretty dominant view in the Republican Party,” said Democratic strategist James Carville, who worked on the report.

    Rather than attributing their dislike of Obama to race, participants in the focus groups, which were a project of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, said that their disaffection was borne out of a sense that Obama was orchestrating an effort to steer the country away from its “founding principles.”

    “They want him to fail,” said pollster Stan Greenberg. “It’s not just a political motivation, it’s an ethical imperative given what they think Obama’s goals are.”

    Continue reading here . . .

    There’s some interesting comments near the end:

    Democracy Corps senior adviser, Karl Agne, who participated in a conference call with reporters on Friday to announce the findings, also said conservatives were deeply skeptical of Obama’s political rise. In the Atlanta sessions, Agne said, participants routinely asked: “Who got him here? He couldn’t possibly have done it on his own. There has to be money, there has to be power behind him.”

    “That’s one of the things they desperately want to uncover about him,” he said.

    Agne said conservatives “truly identify themselves as a minority and feel under attack in a lot of ways.” He added that members of this voting bloc also explicitly rejected the mainstream media and labeled conservative commentators on talk radio and on Fox News as “truth tellers.”

    Despite their vehement opposition to Obama and the Democratic agenda, Carville noted that conservatives were also unhappy with their own party primarily because they believed Republican leaders are abandoning core party principles.

    “When Republicans try to be like Democrat-lite,” one conservative focus group participant said, “they’re not going to convert any Democrats to them and they’re just going to lose conservatives.”


  9. Venice,

    Tarpley is on live now, if you’re interested.

    He was just saying that now many people suspect the Robert Fisk speech may have been a plant by Soros.


    Click the “On Demand” button above Tarpley’s photo. Otherwise at 2:05 you can access the poscasts via the link on same page.

  10. I’ve said this before, but I am going to repeat it. When push comes to shove, it is really hard to get most people to change the way they have always done things. The vast majority of people in the U.S. have been taught that one party is “good” and the other party is “bad”. In the face of a rotten representative from their own party, most people will disdain doing it, but ultimately will still vote for their own party; they are too scared to do otherwise.
    Anyway, smart people learn to get around “the way it is” so as to win. If we take into account that most people will vote for one of the major parties, then it follows that taking out bad incumbents must be done within their own party at the primary level.
    I believe we should start an organization of people from all parties dedicated to stopping embedded politicians from forcing this unresponsive government upon us. We concentrate on changing politicians at the primary level- both sides united in this.
    Unless we change the whole system (which we should) independents only work to “spoil” one of the two major party candidates (I say this with sadness, since I’m an independent.) {IMO What we should have is a primary with all the candidates from which only the top two will run in the election, regardless of party affiliation.}
    But change will be hard. Even on this blog there are people who resist believing that things must be done differently. Times have changed.

  11. Jacqlyn Smith

    Posted at Orly’s site now…….


    from Columbus GA

    Posted on | October 17, 2009 | No Comments
    Hi Orly,

    I am a resident of Columbus, GA and a true patriot. I would like to help you to help this country! I have been keeping up with Judge C. Lands and the $20,000 . Unbelievable! Anyway, I am a registered Nurse…Clinical Coordinator at St Francis Hospital ER. I have contact with many….espcially Doc’s, Medical Professionals, and the public.

    The more I read about Obama and this Administration…the more amazed I become as to how this con-man could ever hold the highest position in the world!

    Please mail me or call if I can be of any assistance.

    Thanks for all your hard work. PLEASE don’t GIVE UP!!

    Annella Larkey
    I need help in putting together $20,000 . I need help in raising the whole Fort Benning in outrage for what was done to me. I have to file another case on behalf of a number of members of military, particularly ones that are about to be deployed, to show them that they can’t break us they can’t scare us with their outrageous sanctions. There is less chance that they will retaliate, if a number of members of military will join. After these sanctions I can demand a different judge because this one is obviously biased. No member of US military can take orders from this Kenyan- Indonesian dictator without violating his oath to protect the Constitution of United States of America. We need to remove from office this fraud and tyrant and everybody else in the government, who was aiding and abeting him. All of them will need to be prosecuted for aiding and abeting this massive fraud and treason. I need more plaintiffs with strong standing in different states. Actually, any citizen can be a plaintiff. What is the most important, is to find judges, who have guts, who have a backbone, and who weren’t bought and paid for with promises of advancement, seat on a Supreme Court one day or cushy job for their friends and relatives.

  12. Check your State’s Constitution. According to an E- Mail Michigan has it where we can recall our Senator’s. We should not wait till … to vote them out, recall them now. I wish I had more info. If I can get the correct writing, I will go knocking on doors for signatures. God Bless America.

  13. I think that there is a need for a hell of a lot of mail to Judge Carter to let him know that WE KNOW ABOUT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT HE IS NOW INVOLVED IN BY HIRING SIDDHARTH VELAMBOR. CARTER NEEDS TO KNOW THAT ORLY’S BACKERS ARE WATCHING,AND LISTENING. Is anybody going to register a complaint? I am!

  14. Jacqlyn Smith…………………………………
    As late as 1947 you didn’t have to acquire a SS number until your 18th birthday,which is also when I applied for mine. It was not then mandatory under 18 years of age.

  15. Just an idea,,,,,,,,,

    Wanted candidates from the 912 project, tea party movement and veterans to fill positions in all federal and State offices.

    Incumbents, RINO’s ,DINO’s need not apply.

    Must show proof of citizenship and pass background checks.

    Must be in good physical condition , some foreigners and communists may have to be dragged to the streets.

  16. From the Federal Judicial Code of Ethics:
    Canon 2A. An appearance of impropriety occurs when reasonable minds, with
    knowledge of all the relevant circumstances disclosed by a reasonable inquiry, would conclude
    that the judge’s honesty, integrity, impartiality, temperament, or fitness to serve as a judge is
    impaired. Public confidence in the judiciary is eroded by irresponsible or improper conduct by
    judges. A judge must avoid all impropriety and appearance of impropriety. This prohibition
    applies to both professional and personal conduct. A judge must expect to be the subject of
    constant public scrutiny and accept freely and willingly restrictions that might be viewed as
    burdensome by the ordinary citizen. Because it is not practicable to list all prohibited acts, the
    prohibition is necessarily cast in general terms that extend to conduct by judges that is harmful
    although not specifically mentioned in the Code. Actual improprieties under this standard
    include violations of law, court rules, or other specific provisions of this Code.

  17. Old Salt77,
    I didn’t get my SS number until I was 17 or 18 and that was in the mid 60’s.

  18. And, The duty under Canon 2 to act in a manner that promotes public confidence in the
    integrity and impartiality of the judiciary applies to all the judge’s activities, including the
    discharge of the judge’s adjudicative and administrative responsibilities. The duty to be
    respectful includes the responsibility to avoid comment or behavior that could reasonably be
    interpreted as harassment, prejudice or bias.

  19. oldsalt77 I am going to register a complaint and I’m also going to call the O.C. news

  20. I just sent an email to Judicial Watch and I begged them for their help and expertise. I attached the article that Charleton wrote today from the Post&Email. I don’t know if or when I’ll hear from them; I’ll let you know as soon as I do hear.

  21. Margie // October 17, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Found this on recall search –


  22. Actually Army D- your suggestion is exactly what should be done to eradicate of political diseased system of the corruption – its the only way to be strong and healthy again – a cleansing –
    In the past political parties have arisen out of need and discontent – oh boy – do we have discontent – We haven’t quite found that banner for us to call the new party – many feel a new party would splinter the efforts to defeat current 2 party system – perhaps we are the no party – like nonothings – we are the people ‘s republic ( sounds like China ) we are the Patriots -whatever the banner we are the people to stop the crazed corruption.

  23. Canon 3B(3). A judge’s appointees include assigned counsel, officials such as referees,
    commissioners, special masters, receivers, guardians, and personnel such as law clerks,
    secretaries, and judicial assistants.
    B. Outside Influence. A judge should not allow family, social, political, financial, or other
    relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgment. A judge should neither lend the
    prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge or others nor
    convey or permit others to convey the impression that they are in a special position to
    influence the judge.

  24. I got my SSN when I was around 17, but now most parents file for SSN’s when children are born. It was required for so many documents in the past by doctors, etc. Now with all the ID theft, they’ve backed off on requesting it as much.

  25. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe // October 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    JustMe, which Robert Fisk speech.

  26. My husband was born in 1961 and got his SS number when he got his first job. It is most likely that the phoney SS numbers that have been used by O came from the the SS death index retrieval, so as not to show up twice in the US. To get the numbers someone would have to have had access to the files.

  27. Jacqlyn Smith


    JustMe // October 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm


    Tarpley is on live now, if you’re interested.

    He was just saying that now many people suspect the Robert Fisk speech may have been a plant by Soros.


    Click the “On Demand” button above Tarpley’s photo. Otherwise at 2:05 you can access the poscasts via the link on same page.

    Just Me…..I have been listening now for the last half hour…..he says Barney Franks derivative bill is a joke…..another smokescreen and misdirection….appointing someone who is suppose to keep an eye on this problem is like the fox…watching the hen house!!

  28. ERIC………………………………
    I know the SS laws changed in regard to when one is required to register, but I don’t remember when. Apparently the laws changed sometime after the 1960s. This might also effect what I have in mind regarding Soetoro’s alleged SS number.

  29. Margie // October 17, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Check your State’s Constitution. According to an E- Mail Michigan has it where we can recall our Senator’s. We should not wait till … to vote them out, recall them now. I wish I had more info. If I can get the correct writing, I will go knocking on doors for signatures. God Bless America.
    Boy, I like that idea. I’m not in MI, but OH –same same here if you can guess what I mean.
    I’d like to recall ours, too. Will you post the info here when you find it? If it’s possible to do before the election, let’s try it.
    How much money would be involved? Any idea? Thanks, Margie, for telling us about this idea.

  30. Linda from NY

    Copied from previous post:

    Jacqlyn: My daughter was born in 1986. One of the forms I was given in the hospital was from the IRS to be used to apply for an SS#.

    My intuition tells me pp’s grandmother got him an SS# later in life because he needed it to apply for a job. She had access to them so where else would she get one for an illegal alien? So she took one from a deceased person. She never thought anyone would question it or even look into it.

    JJ: I missed that…thanks for pointing that out to me. I had read Dr. Taitz was questioning it, that’s all.

  31. I cannot believe the news about Carter hiring the o-connected law clerk now. Like Carter’s really “unbiased.” WTH is going on?

  32. Linda from NY

    Paulajal: Thanks for information. That is disturbing to say the least. Dr. Taitz needs to take note and take appropriate action [whatever that is]. Do you know what she might have to do?

  33. Linda from NY

    I do not know if this is reputable information:


  34. People

  35. Preparing for 2010 elections could start here:

    NH State Rrepresentative – Live Wed. nite 9pm EST !
    Oct 21, 2009

    CommiteesofSafety.org is pleased to have NH State Representative Timothy Comerford joining us once again to discuss Committees of Safety Caucus of State legislators. We are forming Committees of Safety Caucus’s in all our States. We will also be discussing the new Committees of Safety Pledge. We will be asking all of you to get your Governor and State Legislator to sign the Pledge. Don’t miss this important call ! Click on Conference Call link on our homepage CommitteesofSafety.org

    I listen, I learn, I share.

  36. Carmen………………………….
    For me to follow the course that I have in mind I need the name of the original holder of the SS number,and I have to know if benefits were paid out to the same name. It is important that we learn if benefits was paid from at least 1955 forward. If somebody out there knows how to nail this information, I would greatly appreciate a note.

  37. Maddie // October 17, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    I cannot believe the news about Carter hiring the o-connected law clerk now.


    More like assigned…………..

  38. Linda from NY

    Army D.A.V.: Do you mean Carter did not have a choice? Is so, how do you know?

  39. Carmen–
    Did you happen to see the way bo looked in SF when giving another campaign style speech–I thought he looked angry (and evil) and tired. This is when he made the comment
    I’m not going to quit.
    Which on the other thread I mentioned I thought he just might actually “quit.”
    And you mentioned a good point that quitting probably has gone through his mind.

    OK, now we know he’s weak —to verbalize “quit” or the idea of leaving office plus the fact that he and Axelrod and Emmanuel are arguing among themselves—i.e. chaos is reigning INTERNALLY and EXTERNALLY from the WH. Obama does not have a strong advisor—and boy does he need one.
    The only person who smiles these days that is covering international politics like it’s a piece of cake wears a dark suit sometimes also–obama’s rival –higher in all the popularity polls than
    the usurper. Staying above the fray is the strategy and according to Dick Morris last night she is doing it well as the stats prove.

  40. For you Texas cowboys and cowgirls, I know Charles from
    restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com site.

    A good Christian man from all his emails in the last year…….
    (is this what you mean CW, share the feeling so to speak?)

    Committee to Elect Charles Lingerfelt

    Charles Lingerfelt for U. S. Congress – 2010

    Conservative Republican

    Please remember: “It Isn’t All About Change…It’s About Direction!”

  41. If Obama finally can’t take the pressure any longer he may seek an “exit strategy.” Not that I am willing to give him anything short of life in prison, but what are the possible scenarios to get him out of there, short of revolution and judicial?

  42. Linda from NY

    Just an assumption…….

  43. JJ—If this is “change,” I know a lot of people who’d be happy with same old, same old.

  44. ArmyDAV—

    assigned sounds better than deliberately
    It just feels like another kick in the pants.
    thanks, though, for the info on this.

  45. Army D.A.V. – totally agree with you on the assumption of “assignment”. It may very well be a compromise of some sort. Just so you all know, I went to the Coie professional directory and they’ve already scrubbed the attorney’s info.
    Nothing on yahoo either.

    great post by drkate http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2009/10/17/infiltration/

  46. If grandma swiped a SS number of a deceased person, there would have been immediate controversy the first time witholding was paid from an employer into the account,because the account number would have been reclassified into the death list,and they would have taken immediate action to clarify the status. This tells me that either NO SS has ever been witheld from any of his earnings,if he has ever had any earnings at all. That would mean that all of his years as Senator no SS was ever witheld. SS laws dictate that EVERYBODY must pay in. It is Federal law. I am theorising that he might not have even been a legal US senator either. Which is why no SS was ever witheld.

  47. oldsalt77, The only thing I could think of to do is turn the number in to the SS Administration and have them check for fraud from 1955 to the present. They could probably go through the death index first to see what year the person died. We own a construction business where some people just work a short time, during the quarterly business returns we have received many notices where peoples SS numbers do not match with names. Each year when w2’s are sent we get notices telling us the number is wrong and they have put it on file. Wish I could be more help…

  48. If my theory is correct then it is also probable that he never paid any Federal income tax either.

  49. Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials:

    New Jersey
    North Dakota
    Rhode Island

    The District of Columbia also provides for recalls. Virginia is not listed as a recall state because its process, while requiring citizen petitions, allows a recall trial rather than an election. In at least 29 states (some sources place this number at 36), recall elections may be held in local jurisdictions.

  50. Carmen………………………………..
    I have a problem with turning the number over to SS because if he is registered as the legal holder of this number they will discover it very quickly, and the OBOTS within the organisation will short circuit any sort of investigation. We need to find someone who perhaps for a small fee would consider doing this service for us. I am sure there must be a way.

  51. Maddie, There is no doubt he is mad as a wet hen. When people can make us angry they have control over us let’s try to make him as angry as we can, and he can’t take ridicule either, so that is a good thing to do at this time…..A lot of mess ups come out of anger. A whole lot of shakin going on. I also believe Biden is fussing with him, too!

  52. Are these SSN# complete…….

  53. I think you can look someone up by their ss# at this website. I don’t know the ss# O was using or I would have tried it already.

  54. All,
    Here are a couple of other reference sources that come in handy.


  55. oldsalt77, I see what you mean. What about the private investigators Orly uses?

  56. OT …This is our Vice President? He can challenge the other drunk guy. Just for fun … what do you think Hillary is thinking? … ” And he picked this fool over me …”

    I actually feel for his wife. Look at her face.

    But … read Hillary’s mind …

  57. If the SSN# are complete you can run them though the Selective Service site.

    1980-81 needs Name, SSN#

    Non -citizens also had to sign up but under a different process.

    Soetoro SSN#
    Obama SSN#

    No match means he didn’t sign up for the draft…..If he didn’t sign up for the draft
    then he’s not eligible for any federal position.

  58. Val,

    looks like someone has slowed the audio speed down. Watch the speed of other movements.

    But…it is hilarious, nonetheless.

  59. Sad to report but MissTickly/TerriK has gone off the reservation. For a brief moment she was a shining light. She had discovered and proved a legal channel to get the HI DOH to cough up a lot of information about Vital Health Records.

    Working with Leo Donofrio, they had even discovered a way to formally escalate – all the way to expedited review by the courts – any monkey business in getting proper access.

    Leo still seems to be pursuing this. MT/TK seems to have a short attention span and has got sidetracked exploring the geneology of Obama and possible links to the HI Royal Family.

    Terribly fascinating stuff, to be sure, but totally worthless to the task at hand. She has also sucked most of her “followers” into this as well.

    What a great loss of intellectual energy and willing researchers. We neet to all take up the slack and keep pressing on the UIPA angle. Keep reading Leo D. It may give clues as to how to best help.

    I am working hard on this and will report here anything I find – or any suggestions as to how you all can help.


  60. DAV…………………
    So far as I know the list that Susan Danials obtained are complete numbers. One of which is allegedly that which Obama uses. Again I reiterate that if any witholding was ever paid in to his alleged account there would have been immediate controversy, because it was originally held by a person now dead. So this leaves the door open to the notion that NO witholding has ever been paid into the account.Then to extrapolate further,it would at least suggest that nothing was ever paid in during his years as Illinois Senator. During his time as Senator the Law was EVERY US Citizen pays into Social Security. It is Federal Law. That is why it and Federal tax on earnings is witheld. So there is more than an even chance that he also usurped the State Senators Office as well. He probably chose to withold his own SS,and never done it. This is a little strange as well because IRS has a little to do with SS information as well. So I think that he might never have paid any Federal income tax either.

  61. Another one … Archie Bunker nailed the Democrats long ago.

    Funny, I have never met Oldsalt other than on this blog, but I can’t help but think of him when watching this! No offense Oldsalt … I loved Archie!

  62. If all of the foregoing should be proven to be true I would immediately suspect MMMSSS. Jarrett as being a party to possible Social Security fraud where he is concerned. I have heard it said many times that he never made any business decision until he has discussed it with Jarrett first. Enough said for now!

  63. Sorry … OT Again.

    You gotta love Archie. Listen to his advice about security on airplanes …

  64. Jacqlyn Smith

    Thanks Val….I love Archie as well….I miss him….didn’t he pass away???

  65. oldsalt77

    Name , SSN# , Date of birth………


  66. Regarding the US sovereignty issue in December that was commented on in an earlier post, I get more concerned about it being true when Atlas Shrugs runs the story. I can’t believe that this is going to happen, but I have thought that about lots of other things that have turned out to be true.


  67. JS,

    Sadly enough he did. I would love to hear his thoughts of what’s happening in the country now. He would rip them apart …. like OldSalt! 😉

  68. oldsalt77

    BTW…… If he didn’t sign up for the draft, not only could he not hold a federal job, but he could not become a US citizen by law.

    In 1980 , 800,000 did not sign up for the draft.

  69. live oak,

    You do understand Judicial Watch is a private self-described conservative organization. So, asking them for help with what you perceive are problems with the federal bench, is misguided.

    If you want to complain about a judge, your tax dollars support this web site, which provides useful information.

  70. Something else MAY be going on here, that is, by Judge Carter’s hiring of Siddharth Velamoor (from the law firm representing and closely connected to Obama) as his law clerk 4 days before the Oct 5 hearing.

    It’s simply too obvious. I’m assuming Judge Carter would surely know this would be relevant — and be grounds for Motion for Recusal by Orly of Judge Carter

  71. OldSalt77,

    Here are the laws and changes towards the SS from 1950 forward.

    On June 22, 1950, the Selective Service Act, scheduled to expire on June 24, 1950, was extended by Congress to July 9, 1950. On June 27–28, soon after the outbreak of the Korean War, Congress approved an additional 1-year extension of the law to July 9, 1951. By the end of 1950, U.S. Army draft calls totaled about 210,000.
    In June 1951, Congress adopted the Universal Military Training and Service Act, which basically amended the act of 1948. The act provided for developing a plan for a universal military-training and service program. It lowered the draft-age liability to 181/2 and increased the period of military service to two years of active duty plus a maximum of six years in the reserves. Lowered physical and mental standards and a limit of 5 million for the armed forces personnel were other important provisions.
    Selective Service qualification tests were given to college students seeking deferment, beginning in 1951. Selective Service boards, in determining whether to grant deferments, could be guided by grades obtained in these tests as well as by the scholastic standing of the student. These tests, discontinued in 1963, were resumed in 1966–67 but again abandoned because of the revision of the basic law.
    Subsequent Legislation.
    An executive order from President John F. Kennedy in 1963 authorized deferment for fathers and married men. A subsequent order in 1965 ended exemptions for men married after Aug. 26, 1965.
    The system underwent major revision with the passage of the Military Selective Service Act of 1967. This act changed the name of the basic law and extended for four years the authority of the Selective Service System to order for induction men between the ages of 181/2 and 35. Under the terms of the new act, deferment of undergraduate college students was continued for all who requested it and who satisfactorily pursued a full-time academic course; the deferment remained in effect until the student graduated or reached his 24th birthday, whichever came first.
    Lottery Selection.
    On Nov. 26, 1969, President Richard M. Nixon signed into law an amendment to the Military Selective Service Act of 1967, which permitted establishment of a random selection sequence for induction into the armed forces. The first draft lottery since March 17, 1942, was held on Dec. 1, 1969.
    The 1967 act was further amended in 1971. Men were required to register with a local board of the system within a 60-day period commencing 30 days before their 18th birthday. Registrants were placed in one of various classes. Qualified registrants were placed in Class 1-A (available for military service), in Class 1-A-O (conscientious objector available for noncombatant military service), or in Class 1-O (conscientious objector available for alternate civilian service) and were selected for induction in an established order of call.
    Among changes in the processing of registrants was the phasing out of student deferments. A new classification, 2-D, created a mandatory deferment for divinity students satisfactorily pursuing full-time courses. The lottery selection procedures were continued.
    Other changes affected the makeup of local boards, which were required to be proportionately representative of the race and national origin of the registrants in their jurisdiction. The minimum age for board membership was reduced from 30 to 18; no person might serve who had reached age 65 or had served for more than 20 years.
    On Jan. 27, 1973, Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird (1922– ) announced that the use of the military draft had ended. An all-volunteer armed forces has taken the place of the draft. In July 1980 the system of registration—but not compulsory military service—was reinstituted for 18-year-old men.
    Selective Service System.
    The function of the Selective Service System is to be prepared to supply the armed forces with sufficient personnel to ensure the security of the U.S. The system is headed by a director, who is appointed by the president with the advice of the Senate. National headquarters is in Washington, D.C. Prior to the ending of the draft, local boards had the authority to decide all questions of inclusion, deferment, and exemption from Selective Service for the area, but individual cases could be appealed to a state appeal board. In 1976 state and local boards were closed and replaced by six regional offices located throughout the nation.

  72. Here is the link,

    If you wish to go back to 1917 with the SS and all the changes till present.


  73. Since there conceivably can be an Evidentiary Hearing (which would entail discovery) in connection with a Motion for Recusal of Judge Carter for hiring an Obama-connected law clerk, perhaps this is an avenue for Orly to be granted discovery without Judge Carter having to deny Obama’s and the Government’s Motion to Dismiss, which would be appealed and tied up in the Fed. Appeals Ct.

    Just thinking — especially since Judge Land’s (obviously) gratuitous rulings and penalties against Orly would give ground for discovery there.

  74. Archie Bunker, in real life, was a huge liberal. I think his name was Carolle? His job on the show was to make a mockery of right wingers. He painted all right wingers as wife abusing racists. They purposely had him attract all kinds of views to suck people in. Many right wingers found just enough stuff they could relate to and would watch the show and put up with the mockery anyway, cuz they painted it in such a humorous way.

    Make no mistake, the goal of the show was to portray the young hippie lefties as the “wise” ones and Archie as the right wing racist nut.

    The fact of the matter is, that the right has been in reality the “open” group…so open that they were willing to me mocked and spit upon and just turned the other cheek, always “understanding” the other persons point of view. The left has taken this weakness of the right and used it so masterfully, that they even got the right to dig their own grave and throw themselves in!

    Don’t be fooled by the left tactics! That’s what they are…tactics…it’s all about THEM.

  75. Patriot Dreamer

    This is the speech/interview that is believed to have been a plant by Soros. Who knows any more? I posted on a few threads back, but here it is again for you.

  76. ok, use tax money to put me in a home. I think I am losing my mind.

  77. @jbjd,
    Thank you so much. I had no idea. You are very kind. I have the weblink address now and I will take action!
    God bless you and good luck with your important work with the election fraud.

  78. Has anyone been able to pull up the letter on Orly’s site from CBN? I can’t get it up, I have spoken to them about Orly and Leo H. If anyone can get it up I would love to read it. Thanks

  79. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe, thanks for the link!

  80. Yegads!!! Look at this:

    Scary signs in England that everyone here should expect soon.
    From a Glen Beck twitter:

    PS Does anyone know how to post a picture here?

  81. Suggested simple filter to start with for determining who to vote out in 2010. Vote out anyone who will not co-sign and actively work to pass into law HR 1503.




  82. @Jack,
    I saw your comments. I was hoping you would take pity on me and explain in layman’s terms what you mean. It’s very confusing. Is Carter going to even answer Orly? Doesn’t he have to answer? Is this his way of getting himself removed from the case? What recourse does Orly have? Where on earth is she going to find a judge with a backbone and a conscience that will hear the case? Is the entire judiciary corrupt? I have to say YES IT IS!!! What happens now? This is such a terrible blow. I am beside myself and I’m at a loss as to what to do to help. Yes I am going to file a complaint for all the good it will do. I can’t send any money right now because of other expenses we have. It’s all so discouraging. I believe Carter will ignore her just like Holder did with the Quo Warrento. Please advise. Thank you for taking the time so that all of us can understand. I only know nursing law.

  83. truthbetold11

    I researched on of those ssn addresses from bho a while ago to a massachusett residence. Former owner A Wang is on the general counsel at Harvard also on Deval Patricks commitee, and she was on harvard law review editor. same time as bho was supposedly there.

  84. I do not know who will conduct the recall for michigan Senators… The proper paper work.. I will do whatever it takes.. Where doI get the proper paper work? I need help.

  85. IMHO, Judges, especially federal, simply don’t do such obvious over the top things, like with Judge Land bashing Orly, gratutiously, as he has done — giving grounds for Recusal, OR, Judge Carter, hiring an Obama Law Firm-connected attorney 4 days before the hearing on the Gov’s Motion to Dismiss.

    Having said that, were Judge Carter to deny the Gov’s Motion to Dismiss, there’s the very considerable possibility/probability the Gov could tie the case up in the Fed Ct. of Appeals — because they would instantly appeal — so we’d never get to discovery or trial for a very long time.

    On the other hand, if Judge Carter does something giving Orly grounds to seek Recusal of Judge Carter by reason of the appearances of, if not real, conflict of interest — which relief is afforded Orly under federal statute, there would be a hearing in connection with that Motion for Recusal, for which Orly could present evidence (and maybe there’d be discovery in connection therewith) to show the Obama-related conflict of interest which could embrace issues surrounding Obama which are in issue in the case. So, BINGO, Obama matters (birth, natural born citizen, etc.) including operations of the law firm on behalf of Obama and the DNC (which it apparently represents as well) are before the Court AND NOT ABLE TO BE APPEALED OR KEPT FROM THE COURT, AND EVEN IF THERE IS ATTEMPT TO HIDE THOSE MATTERS, IT WOULD PLACE TEAM OBAMA IN AN EXTREMELY UNTENABLE POSITION.

    Remember, the key to the whole case is Standing and Jurisdiction, not the merits of the case — which are SLAM DUNK AGAINST Obama, at least insofar as the meaning of “Natural Born Citizen” requiring two citizen parents. So, Standing and Juruisdiction ARE THE BALL GAME. If there ever is standing or jurisdiction, it’s then immediately all over for Obama; it will never even get so far as a trial — discovery would end it all (and a scenario could then very well be the Democrat Congress selects/votes Hillary Clinton as President — and I already think she knows this may be coming down the pike, hence her re-emergence on the national scene — obliquely challenging Obama).

    OK, all the above is IMHO, but seems to make sense.

  86. The above comment is to adress Live Oak’s inquiry.

  87. ARCHIE BUNKER (Carroll O’Conner) was also a US Merchant Mariner during WW2. Sailed on the EC2 Liberty Ships (Kaiser Coffins)

  88. Dem officials set stage for corporate-backed health care campaign

    At a meeting last April with corporate lobbyists, aides to President Barack Obama and Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) helped set in motion a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign, primarily financed by industry groups, that has played a key role in bolstering public support for health care reform.

    The role Baucus’s chief of staff, Jon Selib, and deputy White House chief of staff Jim Messina played in launching the groups was part of a successful effort by Democrats to enlist traditional enemies of health care reform to their side. No quid pro quo was involved, they insist, as do the lobbyists themselves.


  89. @Jack,
    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!! (Every profession has it’s own language and law is so confusing to me.)Maybe Carter is trying to help her? Is it okay with you if I copy what you said to help some of my other friends who are concerned about this?

  90. Pennsylvania Firefighter Suspended for U.S. Flag on Locker

    A Pennslyvania firefighter was suspended without pay for refusing to remove an American flag sticker from his locker, Myfoxphilly.com reported.

    James Krapf of Chester, Pa., violated a department policy that states personal items can only be posted inside employee lockers when he stuck the flag on the outside. According to Myfoxphilly.com, the firefighters’ union warned 11 others to remove personal items or face similar suspensions, all without pay.


  91. live oak, I’m assuming anything I post on the internet can be copied.

  92. @Jack,
    I like to ask. Really,,,thank you so much for taking the time for me!!! I hope I can return the favor. If you ever need help with a question about nursing or health, I’ll always try to help out and answer right away. I’ve been an RN for 22 years….not practicing now, but still licensed.

  93. live oak,

    and remember, Judge Carter is more than between a rock and a hard place. He’s sitting (assuming he never wanted it) on the most significant single federal case since the Civil War era, perhaps most significant federal consitutional case in all of American history.

    Wouldn’t want to be in his shoes!

  94. Informative blog on one of Chicago’s neighborhoods is here —


    But, especially enjoy the slideshow on today’s “march on the media.’

    Notice the sign comment on Obamacare. It’s pretty good: “The efficiency of the Post Office: the compassion of the IRS!”

  95. live oak // October 17, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!! (Every profession has it’s own language and law is so confusing to me.)Maybe Carter is trying to help her? Is it okay with you if I copy what you said to help some of my other friends who are concerned about this?

    Jack // October 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    live oak, I’m assuming anything I post on the internet can be copied

    Jack you’re correct, but courtesy, and often law, suggests we should always credit the person whose post/information we are using.

    Like Oak, you can do this by copying Kack’s post and also providing a link so people can find it in its original contaxt 🙂

  96. @Jack,
    Thank you again. I meant what I said too. I keep my promises.

  97. Yikes, Apologies for the horrendous typo on Jack’s name.

  98. Jack,
    I know your comment was addressed to Live Oak’s inquiry, but, if you could hazard a guess to this question, I’d appreciate it….

    Which route do you think Orly will take, based on your scenario above?
    Thanks, Maddie.

  99. Does anyone have any links to Susan Daniels? She is the person who provided Orly with the SS number information. I need to get an email to her. I need the numeric structure of the number. I thought that I had it but when I attempted to look it up it was gone. I don’t know how I done such a dumb thing but obviously it got deleted. I searched the wastebasket but it too was cleaned out. Looks as though I am back to square one.

  100. live oak,

    I’m merely a very concerned American citizen who loves and appreciates living here and am literally in disbelief as to what I am witnessing going on, both as to the current coup d’etat of our constitutional republic as well as utter silence of the media.

    Can’t believe this is happening. Can’t believe this is happening.

  101. Evening, folks…
    I haven’t had a lot of time to get caught up on things here, but I do have a question…what’s the status of the 1/26/10 court date? Is it still a go? I’m understandably skeptical.

  102. John Feeny,

    It’s a date for trial, but assumedly could be postponed or withdrawn if Judge Carter would entirely dismiss the case as requested by the Government. If even one plaintiff is left standing, it could be a go (but again it’s up to Judge Carter).

    By the way, there’s a Motion for Summary Judgment scheduled for November. Theoretically, Judge Carter could rule at that time on the existing merits for Orly or Obama/Dept. of Justice.

    Remember, there’s NO DISPUTE that Obama’s dad was a Kenyan/British citizen on baby O’s birth — so COULD BE a Summary Judgment FOR Orly (but I wouldn’t hold my breath).

  103. No, I’m not going to…I can’t help but think that we’ve only seen the first stage in a much larger takeover of this country.

  104. John Feeny, if the courts won’t act for Orly (or for Mario Apuzzo on the east coast in his federal case), in essence, the country IS ALREADY taken over — and there very well could be revolution (you could say the 2nd American Revolution).

  105. Which brings me back to what I’ve been driven to distraction about…..we need the military that’s here to act….at some point.

  106. Jack // October 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm
    Remember, there’s NO DISPUTE that Obama’s dad was a Kenyan/British citizen on baby O’s birth — so COULD BE a Summary Judgment FOR Orly (but I wouldn’t hold my breath).

    Well there is dispute about that, as some of us think that his father was Frank Marshall, (which I think would make him NBC beyond any doubt) BUT My DH informs me that there have been at least 4 Presidents who have been born with a parent of another nationality. But I can’t talk about it here as this will be a divorce situation if I do.

  107. John Feeny:–

    I suspect the Military Joint Chiefs already are aware Obama is constitutionally inelligible (hence Gen. McChrystal’s challenge to Obama) as well as foreign governments (they have to know). I think the Olympics Committee knows as well, hence, would NEVER chance a Chicago olympics with the possibility in the interim Obama is removed from the Presidency.

  108. @Jack,
    I love my country and the military with all my heart and I always will. I’ve been following this whole thing since last October when Alan Keyes put that legal document of his on the internet. I’ve been fighting this ever since and supporting Orly. It’s absolutely frightening and I will never ever give up until we’re safe again.
    I have a mind to file a judicial misconduct report on Carter, and I asked Orly if it would help. Right now I think she’s on her way to Houston, so I don’t know when I would get an answer.
    I keep praying for justice for all and I pray for our soldiers in the military. There is so much to be done!!! First things first. I want Kenya Boy out of the WH and locked up at Gitmo!!!! I want Congress cleaned out and all those aiding and abetting treason locked up. I especially want Ayers brought to justice. It’s very disturbing that he’s a teacher!!!!!! How did that happen???? The list is long and the work is nonstop, but I’m up to the task. I always keep my word. I’m here to the end. Integrity is all we really have…you HAVE to keep your promises!

  109. Maria,

    Even if Frank Marshall Davis were his father, it’s too late, Obama has already claimed Obama Sr. as his dad, and goes by that to the world.

    As far as other Presidents, that is, not living at the time the Constitution was adopted, ONLY Chester Arthur is potentially one — but at that time, NO ONE KNEW the truth about his dad, so is in no way a precedent.

  110. live oak,

    I pray every day for America!

  111. I’m afraid Gates won’t do a thing, or he already would have. He doesn’t have a spine or a conscience.

  112. @Jack @ 7:18
    So do I…day and night! and for Orly too and her family.

  113. Val // October 17, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Hi Val,

    How humiliating!

    Drunk as a skunk.


  114. As far as other Presidents, that is, not living at the time the Constitution was adopted, ONLY Chester Arthur is potentially one — but at that time, NO ONE KNEW the truth about his dad, so is in no way a precedent.

    Well OK, thank you for that. Odd position here as my DH is serving your country (NBC) and I’m not. You see my dilemna?

  115. One key thing to remember about the military — I believe back in January or February, a Guantanimo Military Judge flat out refused Obama and was going to continue his case there (he may have had support from the military higher-ups).

    In any event, the Obama administration backed down — and simply took the case away; nothing was ever done to that Military Lawyer Judge who essentially said “screw you Obama”.

    Moreover, when one of Orly’s plaintiffs refused to be deployed to middle east, the Obama Administration just backed down and withdrew the deployment.

    Hence, where there have been military challenges against Obama, it has been Obama, not the military backing down. Perhaps they are waiting (I dunno).

  116. Yeah, it’s hard to know what they’re waiting for. The fact that the Pentagon backed down lets me know that they don’t trust he is NBC.

  117. Jack // October 17, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    One key thing to remember about the military — I believe back in January or February, a Guantanimo Military Judge flat out refused Obama and was going to continue his case there (he may have had support from the military higher-ups).

    In any event, the Obama administration backed down — and simply took the case away; nothing was ever done to that Military Lawyer Judge who essentially said “screw you Obama”.

    Moreover, when one of Orly’s plaintiffs refused to be deployed to middle east, the Obama Administration just backed down and withdrew the deployment.

    Hence, where there have been military challenges against Obama, it has been Obama, not the military backing down. Perhaps they are waiting (I dunno


    I will look into the thing you mentioned in Jan/Feb, Jack, I think you might be onto something there. As to the Client where they backed down, I heard that to, but the excuse was
    that the cost of providing someone to be with him (not sure of the legal term) was massive, and it just wasn’t worth it to pay for someone who was ‘resisting’, so they let him go, but of course the other way of putting it puts a whole different slant on it.

    I have to be very careful about checking…very slow, and careful.

  118. Linda from NY

    Jack: Can you get any information on this case?
    I found it on the webofdeception website.


    Jamie Ader vs Barack Obama

    Defendant: OBAMA, BARACK


    Filing Date: 1/15/2008

    Case Number: 1265766


    Filing Type: CIVIL

    Case Type: CIVIL OTHER



  119. ANYBODY- EVERYBODY………………………..


  120. oldsalt77-Since I’m orginally from Chicago (suburbs) and Obama crawled out from that cesspool of corruption Cook County Chicago, are you thinking the same way they got Capone income tax evasion. You’re working on just one SS # Obama has/had quite a few that they are sure of, several others may be “iffy” and that’s just on one of his names, he has several that they know of, possibly more. Who the heck is this guy anyway?

  121. oldsalt77-I read what was posted on Orly’s site, it really is bad everybody. Very sick mind at work-I’m glad Orly published it really is GROSS, but it is a good indicator of what kind of person you’re looking for.

  122. Maria // October 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Jack //

    Guantanimo Military Judge flat out refused Obama


    An Officer doesn’t half to obey an unlawful or unconstitutional order.

    An Officers oath is different then a non-com , his oath is to defend the Constitution only.

  123. Army D.A.V.


  124. Val-I worked part time in a restaurant that served alcohol. We would not be able to serve him, since he is obviously drunk. I don’t know when this video was made, but his wife needs to get him into detox, or back to AA meetings if he has been skipping them. I think as bad off as he was I think the ladies were more concerned that he would either get worse or black-out on the stage.

  125. To: anyone who has a thought….
    Which route do you think Orly will take with
    Judge Carter’s addition of a “biased” law clerk
    on this case?
    Recuse or not?
    Thanks, Maddie.

  126. No freedom loving American would infringe on another’s source for drawing his morality or values in life.

    Morals are nothing more than opinions of how one thinks he should life this life. His source of this morality is vast and expansive and has not authority over another human being.

    The “assumption of existence” when speaking to others with whom you have no idea regarding their “belief” systems, is itself antithetical to freedom of the conscious mind to decide for self how to choose his morals in this world.

    Agreements, shared ideology, majority votes are merely bullying tactics as exampled through slavery, genocide, suffrage and discrimination which were “agreed” on, shared by, voted on by others.

    The boy who cried wolf is a great story regarding the consequences of lying, has nothing to do with religion. Morality of lying can easily be obtained by such stories.

    Let each care for self and all will be cared for.

    If god exists for one and not others it means nothing as each has the freedom of his conscious mind to decide – our founders held fidelity to this idea so that ALL Americans can live free.

    Either a person supports freedom of the individual or they do not. Assumption of existence imposed in discussion with a pluralistic society only reveals the nature of the person who would impose on another’s freedom to decide.

    Celebrate ALL the religions. Celebrate ALL the holidays. Keep government OUT of ALL of it because of the subjective nature and personal value placed by any one individual.

    Blogs endorsing god or religion is great, for those who enjoy it. Thinking our government or candidates need to favor such belief is seeking favor and entitlement – a sure way to lose elections in the future when you impose your ideological belief systems.

    People don’t want to be controlled or manipulated. No one has the knowledge to decide for another, if you think you do, then you have no standing against liberals who do the exact same thing.

    How grand it could be if Americans could have this conversation openly in order to advance.

    How grand it would be for Republicans to self-correct this understanding of individual freedom in order to bring ALL Americans, regardless of party, into the election process voting for Republicans who uphold:

    Limited Government
    Personal/Fiscal Responsibility
    Safety of our Nation

    No party owns these values, but the Republicans can speak to them where liberals are so busy attempting to control people they are the antithesis of freedom itself.

    Freedom or Control – which side are you on?

    You want freedom? How much? How much freedom are you willing to extend in order to have?

    Your answers reveal the nature of your own control or freedom from within.

  127. Val & SueK–
    on the video–chug-a-lug
    Look at HRC’s face–the little cat swallowed a
    canary look—she knows.
    And Mrs. B—looks sad and like, Joe, just get this over with!

  128. oldsalt77

    All she needs is a tracer program , it’s freeware,the tracer will take it directly to the IP provider.

    Orly contacts the IP provider , they take it from there…….


  130. truthbetold11

    a obot on repubx is using my name so be cautious they could come here

  131. btw – if you want to attempt to use the criteria of “the majority of Americans believe in god…”

    that’s fine. Reports of Islam becoming the fastest growing religion would then one day make the “majority of Americans believe in allah…” so you’ll be okay having set the standard of “majority” to subjugate yourself to the dominate religion, right?

    Claims of America being founded as a Christian nation, first of all isn’t true (you can read conservative professor Robert Netles work about that) and second, merely reveals the desire for ownership of the nation so you can set the rules – which itself is the antithesis of freedom.

    freedom of choice, even when it’s not the choice you would make.

    you set the criteria, you’ll live and be held to the criteria

    set the criteria of freedom and you never worry about someone infringing on your freedom, free choice or civil liberties


    Clearly, as your name reveals, freedom is critical for you. How would you define freedom?

  133. sorry FREEDOM, must be a slip.

  134. truthbetold11

    You can bet on it……Holder’s new paid heathens .

  135. DAV……………………………………..


  136. Here comes the sun on the “so called most transparent administration” in the history of mankind. Anybody who has Integrity or Honesty in the name of their business is always completely the opposite…

  137. maddie,

    I think someone has intentionally slowed down the audio speed to make him appear drunk. Reason being the movements on other “things” are slowed as well. Watch it again.

    Have to admit, it is hilarious, though.

  138. I have a question for Jack or anyone here who could answer. I read where a judiciary law clerk program is intended for RECENT law school graduates who have not yet engaged in the practice of law. Seddharth Velamoor passed the state bar in summer of 2008. It stated that he was an ASSOCIATE of Perkins Coie after that, before being hired by Judge Carter.. What does an associate mean? I know it does not mean a partner. Are newly licensed lawyers required to go thru an internship before actually practicing? How could he have been an associate right after becoming licensed and then be a law clerk now? It doesnt make sense.

  139. JustMe,

    Thankyou for your continuous good sources of information. I’ve listened to all three. I first heard Tarpley speak months ago, and perhaps because he is multi-lingual, there is a cadence to his speech, in addition to the wealth of information, that make him a pleasure to listen to.

  140. All,
    If you haven’t read the Don Nicoloff series of articles it is fun reading. The article noting that nearly all of the campaign released pictures are photoshopped is very interesting. This guy is a bit bizarre but he seems to have a lot of details right too. You can access all 7 or 8 articles through this link. Some take a while to download because of several pictures. Some of these I read almost a year ago but am surprised that now they seem to make even more sense. Take the time if you haven’t already read these.

  141. PD and Jacqlyn,

    From previous thread. I did note the author, Lynn DeForester. She was interviewed I believe on CNN last year about a month or two before the elections, and unequivocally stated that Obama would not win because the U.S. is fundamentally a centrist-right nation. She is still right, but the Soros et al. contingency was not factored in.

  142. When Judge Carters law clerk took his state bars in summer of 2008, he was just one of 600 candidates (70%+ of the ones who took the exam) to pass it. What are the odds of that 1 out of 600+ being hired by Judge Carter 4 days before that court date? Out of all them, seems fishy to me that he would have the Obama connections.

  143. Is it possible that it might be smarter to challenge Judge Carter’s clerk’s “connections” AFTER the ruling (if he does indeed wimp out), in the chance that this may be the only judge to still be swayed to hear the case?

    On the other hand in reading the transcript of the last hearing you couldn’t help but notice though the obvious effort he made to lay the ground for wiggle room to possibly get out of Dodge in the future. I also didn’t like the way he accused Orly of asking people on her blog to call his court and then gave her no way of responding – cutting her off. He seemed to be more solicitous to Kreep (who appeared more like Obama in his appeasement attempts) while Kreep spent more time “gossiping” about Orly and whining. It was like the meeting of two dogs with their individual tails between their legs – in the company of a female who had more _____ – fill in the blank! This obvious disagreement in definitions and foundational crux in their complaints, between Orly and Kreep, should have forced the judge to eliminate Kreep for the sake of a fair hearing for Orly’s many clients. All the while Kreep kept saying that it wasn’t ethical for him to speak for Orly’s clients, he still sabotaged their own case by his discrediting remarks re: Orly, their attorney. And yes, Orly is correct when she stated that she had to carry the case for the first hour or so before Kreep showed up. Towards the end, it looked more like an “old boys'” club.

  144. Linda from NY

    Battle of Copenhagen
    Posted on October 16th, 2009 by Patrick J. Buchanan


  145. amy1, No there is no required internship to be an attorney (should be though). Some people clerk with judges as an intern so as to help their job prospects later (I did!). However, those interns are overseen by clerk who are experienced attorneys. The “big boys” (higher up judges) have attorneys from big gun lawfirms as their clerks. Remember, while they are called clerks, they have an important and well paid job doing the research for the judges. So, they can often guide judges in one direction or another.

  146. oldsalt77 /

    The easy way.

    Run a complete trace on the IP address . The tracer program runs the complete route to his ISP . Using the tracer program you can file a complaint with his ISP. His ISP will contact him and the FBI if needed.

  147. clerks, sorry

  148. Paulajal, but that lawclerk already had a position as an associate with a well-known firm. Also, I researched and saw where judicial lawclerks are recent graduates???

  149. How did they get the info of the Obamas’ charitable contributions (or lack thereof) listed on their past income tax forms, during the campaign? Are those forms accessible for SSNs?

  150. truthbetold……………………………….
    The M.O. is exactly the same as the last time,and it is from nearl exactly the same geographical area. Very strong probability that it is the same horses a$$. Probably doesn’t have the money to buy his anti psyc drugs.

  151. A WIKI definition:

    Law firms are typically organized around partners, who are joint owners and business directors of the legal operation; associates, who are employees of the firm with the prospect of becoming partners; and a variety of staff employees, providing paralegal, clerical, and other support services. An associate may have to wait as long as 9 years before the decision is made as to whether the associate “makes partner”. Many law firms have an “up or out policy” (pioneered around 1900 by partner Paul Cravath of Cravath, Swaine & Moore[2]): associates who do not make partner are required to resign, either to join another firm, go it alone as a solo practitioner, go to work in-house in a corporate legal department, or change professions (burnout rates are very high in law[3]).

  152. oldsalt77

    OrgID: SHAWC
    Address: Suite 800

    Fred Jones


    Address: 630 – 3rd Ave. SW
    City: Calgary
    StateProv: AB
    PostalCode: T2P-4L4
    Country: CA

  153. Where I come from obscene, disgusting messages like the ones Orly has been subjected to, you just call the police. Nowadays at the same time, you send them all the details via email…they do the rest,and they do it very quickly!

  154. maddie // October 17, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Hi Maddie,

    I hadn’t read the rest of the posts whe I posted but I tend to agree that the tape was slowed down however, the looks on the ‘women in blue’s’ faces spoke volumes.

    Rather than looking mortified (as Mrs. B) did, Hillie had a peculiar look of satisfaction on her puss. And that was before the election.

    Oh, she knows; they all know!

  155. If anyone in here has anyconnections with Glen Beck, I believe he might like to know that a judge in a case against Obama just hired a lawclerk with connections to the wife( Anita Dunn) of a law firn the clerk worked for. Anita Dunn was Becks main topic this week and you know how he likes to connect those dots

  156. oldsalt77

    OrgID: SHAWC
    Address: Suite 800

    Fred Jones


    Address: 630 – 3rd Ave. SW
    City: Calgary
    StateProv: AB
    PostalCode: T2P-4L4
    Country: CA

    RTechHandle: ZS178-ARIN
    RTechName: Shaw High-Speed Internet
    RTechPhone: +1-403-750-7428
    RTechEmail: ipadmin@sjrb.ca

  157. Observer, TY

  158. Maria, I am very concerned for Orlys safety. That person is deranged

  159. I’ve walked around this question of whether Orly will or will not file a Motion to Recuse Judge Carter.

    I think she has to and will, and I think this could be checkmate for Orly against Team Obama — and here’s why I think this could be the case:

    If Team Obama (which team really is the US Govt. thru the Justice Dept.) opposes Orly’s Motion to Recuse, they’ll have to argue why, and an evidentiary hearing on the recusal motion would follow. Evidence would encompass “birther and natural born citizen issues” since that is the case for which recusal is sought. As soon as a court is forced to look at the evidence (that being evidence of what facts are germaine to the case and areas of law which would need to be addressed in the main case, and/or discovery on those matters) IT’S ALL OVER FOR OBAMA! As I said before, the case will never go to trial anyway. If there ever is jurisdiction (standing), it’s all over THEN for Obama.

    On the other hand, if Team Obama (meaning the Fed. Govt.) agrees to the Recusal (to avoid the Motion and Evidentiary Hearing on the issues of recusal) WHAT DOES THAT SAY?

    And even aside from the above, even were the Judge to Summarily dismiss Orly’s Motion to Recuse, she needs to have her Motion for Recusal on the case record, to preserve her rights for later.

    Either way, I think Orly is gonna have to file the Motion to Recuse.

    The real interesting question is why did Judge Carter do such a blatant thing of hiring an Obama-law firm attorney as a law clerk 4 days before the Oct 5 hearing.

    Did he do it on his own as the only way to get this case to evidence without delays in the Appeals Court (which would happen if he simply denied the Motion to Dismiss), or did Obama people (stupidly) put the pressure on Judge Carter to hire the lad.

    Wow, this is better than any book or movie of fiction!

  160. Also, Didnt someone say the IP address was somewhere near Seatle Border? How about Mercer Island? That is where that lawclerk lives or did live. And one of Obamas lawyers is in Seatle. Strange coincidence

  161. ARMY D.A.V // October 17, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Hi Army,

    You’re *brilliant!*

    Can you or someone get this info to Orly?

  162. All.
    I am sure this is old news for the majority of the people here, but for those that may not have read Don Fredrick’s “Obama timeline” this is also a great reference. This is a guy that has been writing a “living history” of everything that is known about Obama. Interesting site and pretty all inclusive of the known facts surrounding this mystery guy. A good link to keep in a folder to check once a month to find out what is new. If you scroll to the end you can see new info from the last few months. He seems to do a good job of documenting his facts.


  163. DAV…………………………….
    The last time this idiot was on CW he called himself “casper”. You can get a pretty good psychological profile of him by going to Orly’s site and scrolling down a little on the left side of the page.

  164. ARMY D.A.V. WOW! I’m impressed. That was quick

  165. Fred Jones is CASPER?

  166. SueK

    Be my guest, //// dr_taitz@yahoo.com


  167. Hi JustMe,
    On second review, I agree, the speed probably was tampered with. So much “stuff” is happening it’s impossible to know what we’re all looking at, for sure.

  168. Paulajal–
    Remember, while they are called clerks, they have an important and well paid job doing the research for the judges. So, they can often guide judges in one direction or another.
    Interesting info, so what do you think Orly will do based on the “law clerk” issue now?

  169. More references for Siddharth Velamoor here:


    There are a slew of offices in various states for this law firm … and a slew of “associates” at each, including Seattle. Is it ethical for a clerk to be affiliated with another law firm while clerking – does he merely take a leave of absence while getting his experience?? Also, looks like the firm’s page of this guy has either been scrubbed or he’s not associated with them at the moment.

  170. carmen@2:54pm, I think his grandmother had access to those types of records when she worked for the bank where she was employed.

  171. ARMY D.A.V. oldsalt77-I googled see what you think.
    News Director: Natasha Rapchuk
    Phone: (403) 716-6500 Fax: 444-4366
    Address: 630, 3rd Avenue SW
    Calgary, AB T2P 4L4
    E-mail: info@qr77.com

  172. I really hope Orly has had her house cleaned lately. Housecleaning is a term used for finding and removing bugs from within,that were placed there by your enemies who want to eavesdrop on your private conversations. There is a device that is called a “Hound Dog” that when energised inside of a house having planted bugs, all of the bugs will begin squealing real loud. Makes them EASY TO FIND. YOU JUST CARRY THE DEVICE LIKE A NOTE BOOK COMPUTER FROM ROOM TO ROOM, AND SOON……VOILA, YOU HAVE FOUND THEM ALL.

  173. Just read comments on Taitz. While this is the product of a regressed and disturbed person, probably male, it is not as threatening as it could be.

    The worrisome threats are the ones you don’t hear about. Larry Sinclair was sent material that was beyond description and highly threatening.

    Taitz however is taking the right steps and should do what she can to protect herself. One can never be certain with infantile and unstable characters. So thanks Oldsalt and Army.

  174. I have no idea what Orly will do. I think she should at least write the judge a letter of inquiry about it. It does not pass the smell test.
    Having said that, I hope she does nothing right at this moment, but that others write him letters of inquiry. She can question it later, and right now she might not want to upset the applecart.
    But Carter should be aware that we all know and are watching.

  175. Jack,

    This case is where it’s at because of Judge Carter, not because of Orly’s skills.

    It may work to the plaintiffs benefit by having the NEW HIRE work for the judge.

    It appears that this case is out of proper Jurisdiction being filed under Quo Warranto any ways.

    Carter himself asked WHY he should hear the case, being that the District of Columbia is where it should be tried, according to the federal Quo Warranto statute.

    Why recuse Judge Carter, when he handed it to the people, besides the DOJ should have won, if they had cited precedent cases, which they failed to do.

    This case has no legs. I say let go forward as is.

  176. The real interesting question is why did Judge Carter do such a blatant thing of hiring an Obama-law firm attorney as a law clerk 4 days before the Oct 5 hearing.

    Did he do it on his own as the only way to get this case to evidence without delays in the Appeals Court (which would happen if he simply denied the Motion to Dismiss), or did Obama people (stupidly) put the pressure on Judge Carter to hire the lad.

    I just read (and now I can’t remember the link) where it listed Judge Carter hiring 2 clerks for the year who would serve at different intervals – one beginning at one month and the other beginning in Oct. – each serving for a specified period. So it may already have been a done deal beforehand.

  177. Jack,
    Very interesting analysis. This looks more promising than I originally thought.

    I’m assuming that Judge Carter was aware of the new law clerk’s “connection” with the Obama law firm?—emphasis on the word “aware”

  178. ARMY D.A.V.-oldsalt77 this is the web-site where I got the info re: Natasha Rapchuk @9:29

    Click to access PoliticalAction2004ContacInfo.pdf

  179. @ARMY DAV and SueK,
    I am willing to contact Orly about the crazy man’s info if it’s okay with you. We have a magic jack and it doesn’t cost anything.

  180. Oldsalt77,

    Anyone can buy wireless audio and video transmitters and receivers online, even in the MICRO category, and can sit up to a thousand yards away and monitor by way of laptop.

    You can buy a device to sit in any room for about $ 100-$ 150- dollars that will scream if any wireless audio or video frequencies are present.

    You didn’t here that from me though.

  181. Michelle // October 17, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Hi Michelle,

    Sorry to be dense, but this crap came from a radio station?????

    I’d like to send the info to Orly, but what do I send??

  182. Judge Carter:

    Law Clerks
    Since joining the federal bench, Carter has hired two term law clerks per year. Carter’s clerks start on staggered dates, such that one starts in August and the other starts in October.

    Term August October
    1998-1999 Thomas J. Noguerola Robert W. Mockler
    1999-2000 Lisa M. Greenwald Kevin Deeley
    2000-2001 Rebecca S. Engrav Catherine D. Whiting
    2001-2002 Lee K. Fink Wendy C. Houle
    2002-2003 Matthew V. Johnson Michelle S. Mehta
    2003-2004 James P. Fellers Bonita D. Moore
    2004-2005 Marissa W. Grimes Khaldoun “Kal” Shobaki
    2005-2006 Lisa Ells Darren S. Teshima
    2006-2007 Douglas J. Brown Alyssa M.Q. Soares
    2007-2008 Ryan D. Taylor Damion D.D. Robinson
    2008-2009 Carrie Friesen-Meyers Julia Roberson
    2009-2010 Lindsay A. Lutz Siddharth Velamoor

  183. Sue K-Igoogled by address see the link I just sent, I matched up addresses. A nurses political action committee, a radio station?????Weird, in Canada no less???? All I know is the addresses match, could be anybody in that building.

  184. live oak // October 17, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Hey live oak,

    Yes, please send to Orly…I was away for a bit and got confused; I don’t have access to that software.

    I read what ‘Fred’ had posted and it was sickening. She needs help to bad the bastid.

    Send away, and thanks!

  185. Michelle // October 17, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Ok, Michelle…brain is in ‘underdrive’ today. Thanks!

    Live oak will send to Orly.

    I didn’t think anything could shock me these days, but that was repulsive.

  186. I found the history of SSN at this site…

    This is an archival or historical document and may not reflect current policies or procedures
    Social Security Numbers
    Social Security Number Chronology

    1935 •The Social Security Act (P.L. 74-271) is enacted. It did not expressly mention the use of SSNs, but it authorized the creation of some type of record keeping scheme.
    •Treasury Decision 4704, a Treasury regulation in 1936 which required the issuance of an account number to each employee covered by the Social Security program.
    •The Social Security Board considered various numbering systems and ways (such as metal tags, etc.) by which employees could indicate they had been issued a number

    1936-1937 Approximately 30 million applications for SSNs were processed between November 1936 and June 30, 1937.
    1943 Executive Order 9397 (3 CFR (1943-1948 Comp.) 283-284) required:

    •All Federal components to use the SSN “exclusively” whenever the component found it advisable to set up a new identification system for individuals.
    •The Social Security Board to cooperate with Federal uses of the number by issuing and verifying numbers for other Federal agencies

    1961 The Civil Service Commission adopted the SSN as an official Federal employee identifier.

    Internal Revenue Code Amendments (P.L. 87-397) required each taxpayer to furnish identifying number for tax reporting.
    1962 The Internal Revenue Service adopted the SSN as its official taxpayer identification number.
    1964 Treasury Department, via internal policy, required buyers of Series H savings bonds to provide their SSNs.
    1965 Internal Revenue Amendments (P.L. 89-384) enacted Medicare. It became necessary for most individual s age 65 and older to have an SSN.
    1966 The Veterans Administration began to use the SSN as the hospital admissions number and for patient record keeping.
    1969 The Department of Defense adopted the SSN in lieu of the military service number for identifying Armed Forces personnel.
    1970 Bank Records and Foreign Transactions Act (P.L. 91-508) required all banks, savings and loan associations, credit unions and brokers/dealers in securities to obtain the SSNs of all of their customers. Also, financial institutions were required to file a report with the IRS, including the SSN of the customer, for any transaction involving more than $10,000.
    1971 SSA task force report published which proposed that SSA take a “cautious and conservative” position toward SSN use and do nothing to promote the use of the SSN as an identifier. The report recommended that SSA

    •Use mass SSN enumeration in schools as a long-range, cost-effective approach to tightening up the SSN system, and
    •Consider cooperating with specific health, education and welfare uses of the SSN by State, local, and other nonprofit organizations.

    1972 Social Security Amendments of 1972 (P.L. 92-603):

    •Required SSA to issue SSNs to all legally admitted aliens at entry and of anyone receiving or applying for any benefit paid for by Federal funds;
    •Required SSA to obtain evidence to establish age, citizenship, or alien status and identity.
    •Authorized SSA to enumerate children at the time they first entered school.

    1973 Buyers of series E savings bonds are required by the Treasury Department to provide their SSNs.

    Report of the HEW Secretary’s Advisory Committee on Automated Personal Data System concluded that the adoption of a universal identifier by this country was not desirable; also found that the SSN was not suitable for such a purpose as it does not meet the criteria of a universal identifier that distinguishes a person from all others.
    1974 Privacy Act (P.L. 93-579) enacted effective September 27, 1975 to limit governmental use of the SSN:

    •Provided that no State or local government agency may withhold a benefit from a person simply because the individual refuses to furnish his or her SSN.
    •Required that Federal, State and local agencies which request an individual to disclose his/her SSN inform the individual if disclosure was mandatory or voluntary. (This was the first mention of SSN use by local governments.)

    1975 Social Services Amendments of 1974 (P.L. 93-647) provided that:

    •disclosure of an individual’s SSN is a condition of eligibility for AFDC benefits; and
    •Office of Child Support enforcement Parent Locator Service may require disclosure of limited information (including SSN and whereabouts) contained in SSA records.

    1976 Tax Reform Act of 1976 (P.L. 94-455) included the following amendments to the Social Security Act:

    •To allow use by the States of the SSN in the administration of any tax, general public assistance, driver’s license or motor vehicle registration law within their jurisdiction and to authorize the States to require individuals affected by such laws to furnish their SSNs to the States;
    •To make misuse of the SSN for any purpose a violation of the Social Security Act;
    •To make, under federal law, unlawful disclosure or compelling disclosure of the SSN of any person a felony, punishable by fine and/or imprisonment.
    •To amend section 6109 of the Internal Revenue Code to provide that the SSN be used as the tax identification number (TIN) for all tax purposes. While the Treasury Department had been using the SSN as the TIN by regulation since 1962, this law codified that requirement.
    Federal Advisory Committee on False Identification recommended that penalties for misuse should be increased and evidence requirements tightened; rejected the idea of national identifier and did not even consider the SSN for such a purpose.

    1977 Food Stamp Act of 1977 (P.L. 96-58) required disclosure of SSNs of all household members as a condition of eligibility for participation in the food stamp program.

    Privacy Protection Study Commission recommended that:

    •No steps be taken towards developing standard, universal label for individuals until safeguards and policies regarding permissible uses and disclosures were proven effective; and
    •Executive Order 9397 be amended so that Federal agencies could no longer use it as legal authority to require disclosure of an individual’s SSN. (No action taken.)
    The Carter Administration proposed that the Social Security card be one of the authorized documents by which an employer could be assured that a job applicant could work in this country but also stated that the SSN card should not become a national identity document.

    1978 SSA required evidence of age, citizenship, and identity of all SSN applicants.
    1981 Reagan Administration stated that it “is explicitly opposed to the creation of a national identity card” but recognized the need for a means for employers to comply with the employer sanctions provisions of its immigration reform legislation.

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 (P.L. 97-35) required the disclosure of the SSNs of all adult members in the household of children applying to the school lunch program.

    Social Security Benefits Act (P.L. 97-123)

    •Section 4 added alteration and forgery of a Social Security card to the list of prohibited acts and increased the penalties for such acts.
    •Section 6 required any Federal, State or local government agency to furnish the name and SSN of prisoners convicted of a felony to the Secretary of HHS, to enforce suspension of disability benefits to certain imprisoned felons.
    Department of Defense Authorization Act (P.L. 97-86) required disclosure of the SSNs to the Selective Service System of all individuals required to register for the draft.

    1982 Debt Collection Act (P.L. 97-365) required that all applicants for loans under any Federal loan program furnish their SSNs to the agency supplying the loan.

    All Social Security cards issued to legal aliens not authorized to work within the United States were annotated “NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT” beginning in May.
    1983 The Social Security Amendments of 1983 (P.L. 98-21) required that new and replacement Social Security cards issued after October 30 be made of banknote paper and (to the maximum extent practicable) not be subject to counterfeiting.

    The Interest and Dividend Tax Compliance Act (P.L. 98-67) requires SSNs for all interest-bearing accounts and provides a penalty of $50 for all individuals who fail to furnish a correct TIN (usually the SSN).
    1984 Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 (P.L. 98-369)

    •Amended the Social Security Act to establish an income and eligibility verification system involving State agencies administering the AFDC, Medicaid, unemployment compensation, the food stamp programs, and State programs under a plan approved under title I, X, XIV, or XVI of the Act. States were permitted to require the SSN as a condition of eligibility for benefits under any of these programs.
    •Amended Section 6050I of the IRC to require that persons engaged in a trade or business file a report (including SSNs) with the IRS for cash transactions over $10,000.
    •Amended Section 215 of the IRC to authorize the Secretary of HHS to publish regulations that require a spouse paying alimony to furnish IRS with the taxpayer identification number (i.e., the SSN) of the spouse receiving alimony payments.

    1986 The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-603):

    •Required the Comptroller General to investigate technological changes that could reduce the potential for counterfeiting Social Security cards;
    •Provides that the Social Security card may be used to establish the eligibility of a prospective employee for employment; and
    •Required the Secretary of HHS to undertake a study of the feasibility and costs of establishing an SSN verification system
    Tax Reform Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-514) required individuals filing a tax return due after December 31, 1987, to include the taxpayer identification number–usually the SSN–of each dependent age 5 or older.

    Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986 (P.L. 99-750) authorized the Secretary of Transportation to require the use of the SSN on commercial motor vehicle operators’ licenses.

    Higher Education Amendments of 1986 (P.L. 99-498) required that student loan applicants submit their SSN as a condition of eligibility.

    1987 SSA initiated a demonstration project on August 17 in the State of New Mexico enabling parents to obtain Social Security numbers for their newborn infants automatically when the infant’s birth was registered by the State. The program was expanded nationwide in 1989. Currently, all 50 States participate in the program, as well as New York City, Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico.
    1988 Housing and Community Development Act of 1987 (P.L. 100-242) authorized the Secretary of HUD to require disclosure of a person’s SSN as a condition of eligibility for any HUD program.

    The Family Support Act of 1988 (P.L. 100-485):

    •Section 125 required, beginning November 1, 1990, a State to obtain the SSNs of the parents when issuing a birth certificate.
    •Section 704(a) required individuals filing a tax return due after December 31, 1989, to include the taxpayer identification number–usually the SSN–of each dependent age 2 or older.
    The Technical and Miscellaneous Revenue Act of 1988 (P.L. 100-647):

    •Authorized a State and/or any blood donation facility to use SSNs to identify blood donors (205(c)(2)(F)).
    •Required that all title II beneficiaries either have or have applied for an SSN in order to receive benefits. This provision became effective with dates of initial entitlement of June 1989 or later. Beneficiaries who refused enumeration were entitled but placed in suspense.
    Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 (P.L. 100-690) deleted the $5,000 and $25,000 upper limits on fines that can be imposed for violations of section 208 of the Social Security Act. The general limit of $250,000 for felonies in the U.S. Code now applied to SSN violations under section 208 of the Social Security Act. Also, penalties for misuse of SSNs apply as well in cases where the number is referred to by any other name (e.g., taxpayer identification number (TIN)).

    1989 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989 (P.L. 101-239) required that the National Student Loan Data System include, among other things, the names and SSNs of borrowers.

    Child Nutrition and WIC Reauthorization Act of 1989 (P.L. 101-147) requires the member of the household who applies for the school lunch program to provide the SSN of the parent of the child for whom the application is made.
    1990 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-508):

    •Section 7201 (Computer Matching and Privacy Protection Amendments of 1990) provided that no adverse action may be taken against an individual receiving benefits as a result of a matching program without verification of the information or notification of the individual regarding the findings with time to contest.
    •Section 8053, required an SSN for eligibility for benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA).
    •Section 11112, required that individuals filing a tax return due after December 31, 1991, include the taxpayer identification number–usually the SSN–of each dependent age 1 or older.
    Food and Agricultural Resources Act of 1990 (P.L. 101-624), Section 1735:

    •Required an SSN for the officers of food and retail stores that redeem Food Stamps.
    •Provided that SSNs maintained as a result of any law enacted on or after October 1, 1990, will be confidential and may not be disclosed.

    1994 Social Security Independence and Program Improvements Act of 1994 (P.L. 103-296):

    •Section 304, authorized the use of the SSN for jury selection.
    •Section 314, authorized cross-matching of SSNs and Employer Identification Numbers maintained by the Department of Agriculture with other Federal agencies for the purpose of investigating both food stamp fraud and violations of other Federal laws.
    •Section 318, authorized the use of the SSN by the Department of Labor in administration of Federal workers’ compensation laws.

    1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-193) (Welfare Reform ):

    •Section 111 required the Commissioner of Social Security to develop and submit to Congress a prototype of a counterfeit-resistant Social Security card that: is made of durable, tamper-resistant material (e.g., plastic); employs technologies that provide security features (e.g., magnetic stripe); and provides individuals with reliable proof of citizenship or legal resident alien status.
    •Section 111 also required the Commissioner of Social Security to study and report to Congress on different methods of improving the Social Security card application process, including evaluation of the cost and workload implications of issuing a counterfeit-resistant Social Security card for all individuals and evaluation of the feasibility and cost implications of imposing a user fee for replacement cards.
    •Section 316 required HHS to transmit to SSA, for verification purposes, certain information about individuals and employers maintained under the Federal Parent Locator Service in an automated directory. SSA is required to verify the accuracy of, correct, or supply to the extent possible, and report to HHS the name, SSN, and birth date of individuals and the employer identification number of employers. SSA is to be reimbursed by HHS for the cost of this verification service. This section also required all Federal agencies (including SSA) to report quarterly the name and SSN of each employee and the wages paid to the employee during the previous quarter.
    •Section 317 provided that State child support enforcement procedures require the SSN of any applicant for a professional license, commercial driver’s license, occupational license, or marriage license be recorded on the application. The SSN of any person subject to a divorce decree, support order, or paternity determination or acknowledgement would have to be placed in the pertinent records. SSNs are required on death certificates.
    •Section 451 provided that, in order to be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit, an individual must include on his or her tax return an SSN which was not assigned solely for non-work purposes.
    Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1997 (P.L. 104-208) ( Division C (Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996) (Immigration Reform)):

    •Sections 401-404 provided for 3 specific employment verification pilot programs in which employers would voluntarily participate. In general, the pilot programs would allow an employer to confirm the identity and employment eligibility of the individual. SSA and the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) would provide a secondary verification process to confirm the validity of the information provided. SSA would compare the name and SSN provided and advise whether the name and number match SSA records and whether the SSN is valid for employment.
    •Section 414 required the Commissioner to report to Congress every year, the aggregate number of SSNs issued to noncitizens not authorized to work, but under which earnings were reported. Also required the Commissioner to transmit to the Attorney General a report on the extent to which SSNs and Social Security cards are used by noncitizens for fraudulent purposes.
    •Section 415 authorized the Attorney General to require any noncitizen to provide his or her SSN for purposes of inclusion in any record maintained by the Attorney General or INS.
    •Section 656 provided for improvements in identification-related documents; i.e., birth certificates and driver’s licenses. These sections require publication of regulations which set standards, including security features and, in the case of driver’s licenses, required that an SSN appear on the license. Federal agencies are precluded from accepting as proof of identity, documents which do not meet the regulatory standards.
    •Section 657 provided for the development of a prototype Social Security card. The requirements were the same as in Section 111 of the Welfare reform legislation (described above) with the exception that the Comptroller General is also to study and report to Congress on different methods of improving the Social Security card application process.

    1997 Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 1997 (P.L. 104-208) (Division C–Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996) (Immigration Reform):

    •Sections 401-404 provided for 3 specific employment verification pilot programs in which employers would voluntarily participate. In general, the pilot programs would allow an employer to confirm the identity and employment eligibility of the individual. SSA and INS would provide a secondary verification process to confirm the validity of the information provided. SSA would compare the name and SSN provided and advise whether the name and number match SSA records and whether the SSN is valid for employment.
    •Section 414 required the Commissioner of Social Security to report to Congress every year the aggregate number of SSNs issued to noncitizens not authorized to work, but under which earnings were reported. Also required the Commissioner of Social Security to transmit to the Attorney General a report on the extent to which SSNs and Social Security cards are used by noncitizens for fraudulent purposes.
    •Section 415 authorized the Attorney General to require any noncitizen to provide his or her SSN for purposes of inclusion in any record maintained by the Attorney General or INS.
    •Section 656 provided for improvements in identification-related documents; i.e., birth certificates and drivers licenses. These sections required publication of regulations which set uniform standards, including security features, and, in the case of drivers licenses, required that an SSN appear on the license. Federal agencies are precluded from accepting as proof of identity documents which do not meet the regulatory standards.
    •Section 657 provided for the development of a prototype Social Security card. The requirements are the same as in Section 111 of the Welfare reform legislation (described above) with the exception that the Comptroller General is also to study and report to Congress on different methods of improving the Social Security card application process.
    1997 Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 (P.L. 105-34)

    •Section 1090 required an applicant for an SSN under age 18 to provide evidence of his or her parents’ names and SSNs in addition to required evidence of age, identity, and citizenship.
    Report to Congress on “Options for Enhancing the Social Security Card” released on September 22, 1997.


    The Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act of 1999 (P.L. 105-277)

    •Section 362 provided that no funds appropriated for the Department of Transportation (DOT) may be used to issue the final regulations required by section 656(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996. Section 656(b) prohibited Federal agencies from accepting as proof of identification a drivers license that do not meet standards promulgated by the DOT. The standards include a document that contains a Social Security number that can be read electronically or visually and is in a form that includes security features to limit tampering and counterfeiting.
    Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 (P.L. 105-318)

    •Makes identity theft (transferring or using another person’s means of identification) a crime, subject to penalties.
    •Defines “means of identification” to include name, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driver’s license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, and employer or taxpayer identification number; and
    •Establishes the Federal Trade Commission as a clearinghouse to receive complaints, provide informational materials to victims, and refer complaints to appropriate entities, which may include credit bureaus or law enforcement agencies.
    Vice President announced new policy to allow victims of domestic violence to change their SSN without proof that the abuser had misused their SSN.

    P.L. 105-379 11/12/98 amended the Food Stamp Act, effective June 1, 2000, to require:

    •Each State agency that administers the food stamp program to enter into a cooperative arrangement with the Commissioner of Social Security under section 205(r) of the Social Security Act to verify whether food stamp recipients are deceased to ensure that benefits are not issued to deceased individuals.
    •The Secretary of Agriculture is to report to Congress and to the Secretary of the Treasury on the progress and effectiveness of the cooperative arrangements established.

    1999 October 9, 1999 P.L. 106-69, Department of Transportation (DOT) and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2000:

    •Section 355 repealed section 656(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996.

    December 14, 1999 P.L. 106-169, the Foster Care Independence Act of 1999:

    •Section 209 deems SSA’s privacy standards meet all State privacy standards for purposes of sharing data.

    2000 Social Security Number Confidentiality Act of 2000 (P.L. 106-433):

    •Section 2 requires the Treasury Secretary to ensure that SSNs are not visible on or through unopened mailings of government checks or other drafts beginning 11/06/03.

    2001 DOT and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2002 (P.L. 107-87)

    •Section 311 provides that no recipient of funds via this Act shall disseminate information, including SSNs, obtained by a State DMV except as authorized by law; Effective 12/18/01.

    2002 2002 Supplemental Appropriations Act for Further Recovery From and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the United States (P.L. 107-206)

    •Title I, Chapter 11 provides funds to the Department of Transportation to be used for purposes of coordinating driver’s license registration and SSN verification.
    Help America Vote Act of 2002 (P.L. 107-252)

    •Section 244 requires the newly established Election Assistance Commission to submit a report, prepared in consultation with the Commissioner of SSA, not later than 18 months after section 303(a)(5) takes effect. This report will discuss the feasibility and advisability of using SSNs or other information compiled by SSA to establish voter registration or other election law eligibility or identification requirements; the report shall address the matching of relevant information specific to an individual voter, the impact of such use on national security issues, and whether adequate safeguards or waiver procedures exist to protect the privacy of an individual voter.
    •Section 303 requires each State to create a computerized voter registration list, using a unique identifier developed by the state. It also amends the Social Security Act to require the Commissioner to enter into agreements upon the request of the official responsible for a state driver’s license agency to verify the accuracy of certain information regarding applicants (including whether the name, date of birth and SSN of an individual provided to the COSS match the information in SSA’s records and whether such individual is shown as deceased on SSA’s records) for voter registration in Federal elections; effective 01/01/04 except where a waiver applies.

    2003 The Basic Pilot Program Extension and Expansion Act of 2003 (P.L. 108-156)

    •Section 2 extends the operation of the pilot programs for an additional 5 years (to a total of 11 years).
    •Section 3(a) expands the operation of the pilot programs to all 50 States not later than 12/01/04; provides that employers in all States must be able to participate in the pilot program.

    2004 The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (P.L. 108-458)

    Section 7213:

    •Not later than one year after the date of enactment, requires the Commissioner of Social Security to:
    — Restrict the issuance of multiple replacement Social Security cards to any individual to 3 per year and 10 for the life of the individual. The Commissioner may allow for reasonable exceptions from these limits on a case-by-case basis in compelling circumstances.

    — Establish minimum standards for the verification of documents or records submitted by an individual to establish eligibility for an original or replacement Social Security card, other than for enumeration at birth (EAB).

    — Require independent verification of any birth record submitted by an individual to establish eligibility for a Social Security account number. SSNs assigned through the EAB process are excluded from this requirement. The Commissioner may allow for reasonable exceptions from independent verification on a case-by-case basis in compelling circumstances.
    •Notwithstanding section 205(r) of the Social Security Act and any agreement entered into thereunder, requires the Commissioner to add death indicators to the Social Security number verification systems used by employers and State agencies issuing driver’s licenses and identity cards. The Commissioner may also add death indicators to other verification routines as determined appropriate. The death indicators must be added no later than 18 months after enactment.
    •Requires the Commissioner to add fraud indicators to the Social Security number verification systems used by employers and State agencies issuing drivers’ licenses and identity cards. The Commissioner may also add fraud indicators to other verification routines as determined appropriate. The fraud indicators must be added no later than 36 months after enactment.
    •Requires SSA, in consultation with the Department of Homeland Security, to form an interagency task force for the purpose of further improving the security of Social Security cards and numbers. Not later than 18 months after the date of enactment, the task force must establish security requirements, including standards: for safeguarding cards from counterfeiting, tampering, alteration, and theft; for verifying documents submitted for the issuance of replacement cards; and actions towards increasing enforcement against the fraudulent use or issuance of Social Security numbers and cards. The Commissioner is also required to provide for the implementation of these security requirements.
    •Requires the Commissioner to make improvements to the EAB application process as soon as practicable after the date of enactment. These improvements shall be designed to prevent the assignment of Social Security account numbers to unnamed children, the issuance of more than one Social Security number to the same child, and other opportunities for fraudulently obtaining a Social Security number. Not later than one year after enactment, the Commissioner must provide a report to Congress specifying the extent to which these improvements were made.
    •Requires the Commissioner to conduct a study to determine options for ensuring the integrity of the EAB process, including methods to reconcile hospital birth records with birth registrations submitted to State and local agencies and information provided to SSA. Not later than 18 months after enactment, the Commissioner must report to the House Committee on Ways and Means and the Senate Committee on Finance on the results of the EAB study, including recommendations for legislative changes as deemed necessary by the Commissioner.
    Section 7214:

    •Prohibits Federal, State, and local governments from displaying SSNs, or any derivative thereof, on drivers’ licenses, motor vehicle registrations, or other identification documents issued by State departments of motor vehicles.

    2005 The Real ID Act, (P.L. 109-13)

    Establishes State driver’s license and identification security standards which requires States to confirm with Social Security a SSN for issuance of a drivers license or identity card

    Table last updated 11/09/05

  187. http://hillbuzz.org/Most Democrats are ashamed and disgusted with well the DNC as a whole, their shenanigans are worse.
    What does it mean to be a Democrat today?
    Posted by hillbuzz under Uncategorized | Tags: 2010 elections, tidal wave coming, What does it mean to be a Democrat? |
    [54] Comments
    This is a questions we’re asking ourselves more and more lately, upon witnessing the utter travesty that’s taking place in Washington these days.
    What Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are doing in Congress is illegal, criminal, treasonous, and unconstitutional. We’re talking, of course, about the plot to ram through Utopiacare using backdoor, secret, reconcilliation means instead of voting this important, world-changing legislation up or down properly in the House and Senate.
    We’re lifelong Democrats around here…whose faith in the party was first shaken by the way the DNC backed Dr. Utopia and used all its resources to bring down Hillary Clinton last year. The final straw broke our backs on May 31st, 2008 around 5pm or so when we heard news the DNC had awarded Dr. Utopia some of Hillary Clinton’s Michigan delegates. That outrage will never be forgotten. They actually TOOK delegates away from a woman who earned them because they wanted to give them to a black man who did absolutely nothing for them. How the Democrats have behaved since taking over all three branches of government has been stomach-turning. If it weren’t for the Clintons, who we will always be loyal to, we’d no longer call ourselves Democrats. We’d be independents, or members of the new Tea Party that’s forming…whatever that ultimately turns out to be. Not Green, not Libertarian, not anything that exists currently, but something else…something PUMA-flavored that’s still brewing.

  188. All,
    law and medicine are two of my weakest areas of knowledge but common sense tells me that a case of this national importance will not actually be heard by Judge Carter. If it should go forward and Judge Carter somehow grants “standing”, the supreme Court will take this over. Because it is the POTUS I believe that the SCOTUS was waiting for a good excuse to hear this case. But then what do I know…Let’s all hope that someone will take this on. I cannot wait until 2012 as my head will explode!! Thanks for all of the good research and great information from all of you. //M-P

  189. Sue K-I was disgusted when I read that pornographic filth. Orly is such a nice person, works so hard, no woman on the face of this earth should have to take abuse like that. Just disgusting, and it was scary.

  190. I mentioned this a while back, looks like it’s starting to unfold.

    All good revolutionaries know that after the revolution the first thing to do……..get rid of all the leftists.

    Unfortunately for Soetoro you can’t do that in America….

    They will become Soetoro worst nightmare now.

    Let the leftist counter – revolution begin………

    That’s why I said from beginning , A Marxist revolution will never work in America.


  191. Thanks DAV
    Sadly this horses a$$ is in Canada. I don’t know if they police their internet at all. One can file a complaint with the Calgary police and see what happens. Ill have to give it some thought. So far it has only been invective. The question is when will it become violence?

  192. Hey Richard,

    just as a point of interest as to your comments (with which I am largely in disagreement), when you say the case has “no legs” are you referring to MERITS or PROCEDURE?

  193. Michigan-Patriot,

    Even if the case goes to the US Supreme Court, the findings of the trial court as to facts are vital. And on the law, that is, the legal meaning of “natural born citizen”, that’s SLAM DUNK (against Obama) — but as I also said, the case will essentially be over the day there is standing and jurisdiction, that is, Obama will be compelled (by Congress and the Democrats) to leave office. There will be no case reaching the Supreme Court; it will be moot (with the exception of cases on the impact of Obama’s ineligibility on all the actions of the Federal Government under him as a usurper).

  194. @SueK and ARMY DAV,
    I sent the email and I called Orly’s number to tell her I sent the information and what heading it is under. … “VERY IMPORTANT”….so she can find it. I just hope she gets it soon.

  195. Oldsalt,

    CSIS (Canadian Securities Intelligence Service), equivalent to CIA, and the RCMP(Royal Canadian Mounted Police) equivalent to the FBI communicate regularly between Canada and the U.S. So the answer to your question is yes.

  196. @Jack,
    Good question for Richard…..I was wondering what he meant by “no legs”.


  197. For instance, even if the Nationalization of the Health Industry were passed by Congress, it would be open to legal challenge as invlaid as being passed under a pretend ‘Presidency’ — aside from the other legal challenges to the Fed. Govt. taking over the health industry under the Constitution.

  198. Jack,
    I hope you are right. I want him out and the sooner the better. //M-P

  199. Michigan-Patriot, well if none of these federal courts take jurisdiction, he ultimately still may be out via Revolt of the American people!

  200. live oak // October 17, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Thanks, live oak..you’re a good soul!

    I’m sure that Orly will be relieved to get that info so that she can catch up with that S.O.B!

  201. Pope wants to join with Chairman Soetoro in creating a Mao Tse-Tung communist New World Order……

    What do you guys make of this …………

  202. Jack,
    I think there are more people than we know that are ready for the first time in their lives to stand up and do whatever is necessary to take back our country. I hope that it isn’t necessary because I am getting too old, but if it is the only way, I will be there too. //M-P

  203. @SueK,
    It was a pleasure to do it. I mean it. I had to laugh at myself….I was so nervous and excited calling. Too bad I got “not available” so I left a message and told her it was headed as “VERY IMPORTANT” in her email.
    I hope I get to meet her someday. If Major Cook ever gets his trial in Tampa, I’ll go down. It’s only 2 hours away. I want to hug Orly and I’m afraid I wouldn’t let go!!! She’s family to me.

  204. Patriot Dreamer

    ARMY D.A.V // October 17, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Do you have a link for that?

  205. Great to read, live oak!

    I know she gets plastered with e-mails, so it was good that you followed up by phone.

    If she ever heads up my way, I’d love to meet her, too! I’ve never seen anyone like her and she must have to reach deep inside to find the intestinal fortitude to keep on pushing.

    My Dad’s family was from Communist Eastern Europe, so that’s where I think Orly gets her ‘fight’-I’ve seen that before.

    God bless her every move, and God bless you for helping her with this matter :).

  206. There is a guy at Fourwinds10.com by the name of Casper is this the same guy?

  207. Jack // October 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Are you a hunter?.

  208. Army DAV,

    The only way the Pope would endorse a global government would be a Catholic one , just as the dispersements of missionaries globally were required to do.

    If he had any hint that Obama’s inclination were Islamic, I doubt he would be making such a statement.

  209. Patriot Dreamer

    ARMY D.A.V // October 17, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Ah, OK. Oh, boy. That’s all I’m going to say in public here.

  210. venice

    I don’t know,,,,,,,, the pope has his own secret service, surely he knows he’s a communist……..

  211. Jack,

    No legs, as in proper jurisdiction.

    Again, Judge Carter knows this, but is allowing it to go forward for SOME reason, perhaps because the DOJ totally failed to site the following precedent case, which most likely would have, and should have, CLOSED this case.


    Special emphasis on the last paragraph !

    Do you still largely disagree ?

  212. Patriot Dreamer

    Yea, I know what you mean , scary stuff.

  213. Army DAV,

    You’re right about the secret service, but as you know the Vatican (no disrespect to the Church) is a political force and always has been.

    As the article points out there are many points of difference, starting with abortion, late term abortion no less, the decline of health care etc.

    But because the Pope and the Catholic Church has been aspiring to a global government for millenia, I think it would be politically prudent for the Pope to support this messianic (no pun intended) ambition, and put aside the other.

  214. Richard:–

    Quo warranto may be a red herring.

    Plaintiff Alan Keyes doesn’t need quo warranto to recover damages (even nominal) damages against Obama. As soon as Keyes won, it’s all over for Obama — politically he’d have to leave office. And the beauty of that is that, his leaving office would obviate the need of the appellate federal court (and Supreme Court) to review the consitutional issue BECAUSE WITH OBAMA GONE, THAT IS MOOT!!!

    also, it may get around the problem of having to deal with all federal actions under an invalid President being invalid themselves — which would be a legal/litigation nightmare of monumental proportions — in other words, Keyes wins based on CANDIDATE Obama’s fraud, not ‘PRESIDENT’ Obama’s fraud; and by virtue of the fraud Obama must politically leave ala Nixon, and there’s no case left for Constitutional review.

  215. venice: I agree. The Pope’s position is a catholic position; catholic meaning universal.

    Also, he is no stranger to the Nazi totalitarian regime. He knows the havoc wreaked by communist regimes as well. After all, he has lived through it all.

    The Pope is not talking about increasing global poverty; he is talking about eliminating it. I am sure he is well aware of who our pp is and what his evil intentions are. He is no fool!

  216. Let me state it another way.

    Orly’s case vis a vis Alan Keyes is a tort case in fraud against Candidate Obama — and the US Govt. is not a party to THAT case, nor does Alan Keyes necessarily seek removal of Obama, just recovery for the fraud!

    Once Candidate Obama is shown (proven) in Judge Carter’s court to be a fraud, Congress will make Obama leave office under tremendous political pressure to do just that (and then, of course, the Congress votes on/selects Hillary Clinton as the President — who will then be the best Democrat to face Sarah Palin in 2012).

  217. I think Hillary knows it’s coming (Judge Carter was a Clinton appointee you might remember).

  218. venice // October 17, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Army DAV,

    The only way the Pope would endorse a global government would be a Catholic one , just as the dispersements of missionaries globally were required to do.

    If he had any hint that Obama’s inclination were Islamic, I doubt he would be making such a statement.

    Maybe we should e-mail the Pope next?
    I’m sure he knows bo is a marxist and is
    ineligible. The whole world is going crazy!

  219. Jack,
    Has HRC already been told somehow?

  220. This may happen, but I think Hillary Clinton’s opponent would be Mike Huckabee (he’s the leading GOP candidate at present according to FOX News tonight).

  221. AFSCME head Gerry McEntee takes on Obama’s White House

    The president of one of America’s largest labor unions, Gerry McEntee, has emerged as a major obstacle to the White House’s efforts to maintain a unified front in the health care debate.

    The veteran president of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) has crossed lines that few labor leaders – even those who quietly agree with him – would go near.

    McEntee led workers in chanting a barnyard epithet to describe Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus’s health care bill, which would levy a new tax on expensive health care plans. He published an op-ed in U.S.A. Today warning, in terms that could be used against Democrats in the midterms, that the plan could tax the middle class and cost workers their health care. And he blew off a plea from White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and published an open letter promising to “oppose” legislation that contained the tax – published over the objections, several labor officials said, of other union presidents whose names appeared on the letter.

    “We have had just about enough of his gratuitous slaps,” said a senior White House official Friday, calling the politically charged language “outrageous and unacceptable” from an ally — even from one that had, the official noted, devoted substantial resources to health care efforts.


  222. There is a calm before the storm. Watch this video and know that we are all in this together. Enjoy the little things, like the people in this song do when they know they are going down. Keep in mind that we won’t go down because we are Americans, but gain some inspiration about what is important.

  223. . As soon as Keyes won, it’s all over for Obama — politically he’d have to leave office. And the beauty of that is that, his leaving office would obviate the need of the appellate federal court (and Supreme Court) to review the consitutional issue BECAUSE WITH OBAMA GONE, THAT IS MOOT!!!

    Then what? Does Obama just “go away” or does he face prison time?

  224. maddie:–

    Palin can only go UP from where she is now; Huckabee’s been on tv all the time and such.

    Palin’s the only one who REALLY EXCITES!!!

    She can destroy the GOP if she elected to pull out. SHE’s gonna be the nominee.

    By the way, the Dems and MSM WOULD LOVE to have the GOP nominate Huckabee (whereas they FEAR Palin like no other).

    Palin/Pawlenty ’12.

  225. maddie, really, who cares, let Obama make a plea bargain just to leave.

  226. benedictxvi@vatican.va
    I sent the Pope an e-mail advising him of Obamas usurper status, the court cases– Orly, Phil Berg, Leo. People swearing oaths to God to protect and defend the Constitution and not doing it , with a request that all Catholic 1.5 billion pray for our country and our Constitution. Requested they look on the internet for all the suppressed articles that are now appearing.
    Is it any wonder why I would get in trouble with the nuns?

  227. @Jack,
    Why would HRC be installed as interim president when she’s named in the suit along with Kenya Boy, Biden, MO, and Gates? She’s complicit in that she knows he’s not constitutionally eligible. It’s also in Orly’s Oct. 11th filing. I found it in her blog archives.

  228. Jack,
    That what I always thought, so I was surprised to hear how far down in the polls Palin was (in the low teens). According to FOX there were several above her and the only person lower was Palenty (sp?). But they said Huckabee was at the top. I was surprised as well.

    Actually, if I were to pick a candidate it would be Lynn Cheney.

  229. Michelle,

    A recent article stated there were 1.57 billion Islamics and 2.2 billion Catholics. I guess it depends on how the census was collected.

  230. correction: Liz Cheney.
    I always get their names turned around…

  231. venice- Thanks that many more prayers for the people of the United States.

  232. live oak— Wouldn’t the list of “who knows”
    about bho’s ineligibility have to be way longer than just a hand full—-
    why not call out the entire Congress + the Justice Roberts and the entire SCOTUS +
    many more. What do you think?
    I’d think this is a very long list.

  233. Linda from NY

    I didn’t know this……..

    Pope’s Nazi past
    Benedict XVI former Hitler Youth member.

    nickname the “Panzer Cardinal”. Like the tank.

    Two years later, when he was 16, Ratzinger was drafted again by the German Army.

    So he should know the evils of socialism and Chairman Soetoro’s agenda.

    The new world order is evil , the total prohibition of religion and freedom.

  234. live oak, Hillary’s not gonna be a defendant in any lawsuit remaining at the end of the day; hell, Hillary and Obama are BITTER BITTER enemies — always have been.

  235. maddie:–

    Huckabee was in higher 20’s, then Romney, then Palin (3rd).

    The election is 3 years away.

    Hell, Palin is the prime moving GOP person against National Health care, against Obama — she’s the de facto leader of the GOP and the primary anti-Obama political operative/leader.

    (from a kitchen table lap top, she beat Obama)

  236. ArmyDAV—
    So it’s true. The Pope has a Nazi past.
    We are in trouble!

  237. @maddie,
    They are all complicit…the entire Congress and Senate…Reid, Peloser, Dodd and CJ Roberts. I think they should be locked up for life for treason and sedition…doesn’t mean they will. Maybe they will just be outcasts in society if they somehow avoid prison.
    You are so right maddie…it’s a very long list. They make me sick.

  238. I wonder why Palin quit as governor?
    She was doing a nice job in Alaska, it doesn’t
    equate why she left???

  239. maddie: I do not think Huckabee would prevail.


  240. Who picked Huckabee, the obots ……… isn’t Huckabee the one that called all of us fringe wacko’s.

    Palin won the election and no one will ever convince me otherwise.

  241. live oak—definately Pelosi and I want Howard Dean on that list and Donna Brazile and Barney Frank, well there are so many. Agree, it is so sickening!

  242. @maddie,
    The lawsuits were costing her a tremendous amount of money and she wanted to spare the citizens. I think that was the main reason. I like her very much and would love to see her run. I need to find out more about Pawlenty.

  243. maddie: Palin left because of the toll the ethics lawsuits took on both her and her family. She believed she was selling Alaska short because she was not devoting 100% of her time to her job.

  244. CW….
    It appears that most readers are missing the mark. Let’s address the problem you are asking us to talk about…Members of Congress! We need to find suitable replacements for those will be up for re-lection. This, of course, is easier said than done. Can we find suitable replacment candidates? Each replacement candidate needs to be screened for their views, positions and most importantly CAN THEY BE TRUSTED! We need patriots who will not buckle to the pressure of special interest groups.

    We can start by looking at our own local situations. Talk to your friends, local community and civic groups, local government personnel and even those who may be retiring from local government postions. And don’t forget those who are involved with community Tea Party orginizations.

    We need to move one step at a time. People are angry and want CHANGE. I don’t care how much money is in the incumbents coffers, they can be removed with a good organized grassroots effort.

  245. Army & Linda—
    It was on FOX News tonight—Huckabee is the top GOP contender according to a poll they mentioned and Palin was not up there with him, she was just above Palenty. I watched solid FOX tonight so it could have been of Beck, don’t think Huck had it on about himself, and may have been on Geraldo R. —-As I say, I like Mike Huckabee just didn’t think he was #1, and the GOP poll results came out that way.
    He does have a very popular show now.
    Why don’t people like him? My hubby will vote for him if he runs. Right now, I like Ms. Cheney.

  246. Jack // October 17, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Hi Jack,

    Maybe not, but she *is* named as a defendant and is in legal trouble with her SOS role.

    She’s positioning herself for something…I’m hoping it’s retirement.

  247. LindaNY–Yes, I know that was the reason given, but was it something else, too?
    Not that lawsuits aren’t good reasons to leave any job, but it just didn’t seem like Sarah Palin.
    I voted for her with John McCain in the Generals because I thought she was full of never quit, full of spunk spirit.
    Now, I’ve heard L. Cheney speak, and she very good. I know she’s forming a committee of sorts.

  248. >>>PhapnHalz: people are angry and want CHANGE. I don’t care how much money is in the incumbents coffers, they can be removed with a good organized grassroots effort.
    Leave a Comment<<<

    When I talk to people they don't seem angry, they are beyond angry. They have reached that quiet place, where they seem unable to comprehend the treason seen before them. I hope people are waiting for a grass roots effort to re-elect congress, and not just waiting for something else. I saw a poster when the DC protestors marched "We came unarmed…..this time".

    BTW, I'm glad some of you noticed my earlier post about the 1977/1978 change in SS law that happened to correspond with Obama use of his SSN number as he was 'dropped off' by his mother in Hawaii and was taken care of by his grandmother the same time.

  249. maddie // October 17, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Ya know, Maddie, I never liked this Pope-something sinister about him. His predecessor’s shoes are indeed hard to fill, but I don’t trust Ratz as far as I can throw him.

    The Vatican is completely out of touch with the rest of the world yet, they think it’s their role to try to manage it.

    Nope, can’t buy Ratz and his Nazi past.

  250. hapnHal

    First we have to fumigate DC , get rid of all the sewer rats from Chicago…….

  251. SueK–
    What was the outcome of the SOS thing with Hillary? Never heard anything more about it.
    The R word is definately not in Hillary’s vocab.

  252. maddie, lot’s of people like Huckabee; but Palin is a super-star.

    They’re simply not in the same league (one poll notwithstanding).

  253. maddie

    Huck is a nice guy , a gentle forgiving , loving soul.

    I like Huck , good Ole boy, but for POTUS , he would be a joke ……….worst than the corrupt McCain the Globalist pig.

    Did you see any of these girly men coming to Palin’s defense?.

  254. I think all the Republican candidates have critical weaknesses, including Palin. If I was Micheal Steele I’d be courting\grooming General Petraeus as the GOP nominee right now.

  255. @SueK //11:57,
    I had to laugh at your comment about the Pope. I feel the same way….I don’t trust him one bit. John Paul was a saint. My aunts called him “Popey Dearest”. That still makes me laugh.

  256. maddie: Sarah Palin was a mover and a shaker. If she could not do the job to the best of her ability, it was better she leave it in the hands of someone who could. She loves Alaska and has done her best to represent the interests of the people. I think Sarah Palin saw a need on the national level for someone to “speak out” against the policies of the current administration without having his henchmen interfering with the commentary.

    Both Huckabee and Romney are finished; they cannot galvanize the party. Pawlenty and others are stepping up to the plate, but we do not know enough about him or others as yet. We have much research to do.

  257. Sue K: I believe the SOS case has been delayed due to several requests for continuances, and that may be why we have not heard of any progress.

  258. Gen. Petraeus is NOT a conservative.

    By Palin leaving as Governor of Alaska she actually enhanced her programs and issues and accomplishments there. Her Lt. Gov. replacement is not a lame duck (like Sarah would have been) and he’ll now win re-election (which might not have been the case for a GOP governor there). The new Governor, Parnell, is doing a great job — carrying on Palin’s programs.

    Look, with Huckabee on TV and Romney going on TV easily all the time, Palin HAD to get down to the lower 48 to make her mark. ANY GOP Congressional candidate would LOVE to have Palin come and campaign for them. She’s building her campaign warchest and campaign team. She’s one smart and talented lady — a combo of Thatcher and Reagan.

    Moreover, with the growing energy issues, she’s the GO TO energy expert pol. Barring some unforseen personal circumstance, she’s goin all the way to the White House (meantime the MSM and RINO’s who are afraid of Palin will tout Huckabee — a definite loser in a national election).

  259. I know that I will not be voting for any one that has not stood up for America these past 18 months. I think that Sarah Palin has been the only one to ask any questions about obama and his cronies. Joe Wilson is another good guy. I would vote for him before I would vote for Huck. (don’t get me wrong,…. I like Mike, but I do believe he is wishy -washy………he never thought the birth thing was an important effort of “WE THE PEOPLE”. I want someone who believes in America enough to stand up for her. WHO IS THAT?

  260. Q-and-A with VA gov candidates
    By Kathy Kemper – 10/12/09 02:36 PM ET


    Q-and-A with the VA gubernatorial candidates, Part II
    By Kathy Kemper – 10/16/09 11:43 AM ET


  261. The Broken Common Bond

  262. Linda from NY

    Two doctor groups oppose Senate ‘doctor fix’ bill
    By Tony Romm – 10/16/09 04:08 PM ET


  263. maddie // October 18, 2009 at 12:15 am

    Linda from NY // October 18, 2009 at 12:38 am

    That’s what I read, Linda. More stalling.

    Maddie, looks like we wait out another one.

    One thing I can say about her is that she’s got Pit Bull endurance, even if you don’t like her politics.

    I’m looking for a POTUS candidate with a moral compass-haven’t seen one for a long time.

  264. Linda from NY

    Hatch: Dems’ ‘doc fix’ is a ‘budget gimmick’
    By Tony Romm – 10/17/09 02:47 PM ET


  265. Linda from NY

    GOP celebrates end to CMS “gag order”
    By Tony Romm – 10/17/09 12:23 PM ET


  266. JAck,

    Do you have a time line in mind? Do you believe BHO is going to be out? If so, when?

    ….The sooner the better.

  267. LNY,…… Yes,… a moral compass would be a good thing. I know that Mike Huckabee fullfills that part,… I don’t know if he has guts to stand up to The EVILNESS,

  268. Val:–

    within 90 days


    to the EVILNESS, that has swollowed our county. The political correctness ,…. playing the poor me race card is driving me crazy,… and it is destroying this COUNTY. It has to be controlled.
    (Who has enough guts and influence to do this?)
    …… just thinking aloud tonight!

  270. If Huck really cared he would go to the WH and perform an exorcism on Chairman Barry..

  271. live oak // October 18, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Live oak, John Paul was one in a million and there won’t be another of his caliber.

    People always used to ask my Dad if he was the Pope (spitting image!).

    I went to the Mass on Boston Common in 1979 when he visited and even though it was a miserable day, just seeing him changed me. A child in a wheelchair with Down Syndrome reached up to hug him after the Mass. I’ll never forget that!

    At the time I was working for TWA (when it was still an airline), and we had the honor of reconfiguring an L-1011 (‘Shepherd One’) to bring him from Rome to the U.S. We were al very proud!

    Ratz is an entirely different case…

  272. Jack,

    You seem pretty certain of this …?

  273. ARMY D.A.V.,…… I agree. I just feel like screeming. Can’t ,…. for the life of me,…
    UNDERSTAND why nobody in our government
    has enough gall to simply ask obama to step down. When someone has enough love for this Country to do that,…. that person should be our leader. (don’t care what political party he or she is with)

  274. Joyceaz,

    Did you see the exchange with Juan Williams and I beieve that guys name was something like Balentine ..?? On O’Reilly Thursday night. Balentine, I believe is a radio guy and he’s black
    ( Sorry jbjd, bit it matters in the story) and he and Juan were disagreeing on the Rush NFL issue. At one point Balentine comments: _: Ok, Juan you can go get back on the porch” Meaning … Uncle Tom and House Negro.

    Last night Juan hosted the O’Reilly show and he was not happy!! Juan flat out said – obviously if you disagree with the Whitehouse… you’re a racist. He then had on a black ( again jbjd important to the story) ex NFL football player who went on to say he will come out to defend Rush. That they have been best friends for a long time.

  275. Jack,

    I sure hope you’re right!

    Again … the sooner the better. I’ll take 90 days over 3 1/2 more years!!

  276. Val,…. Yes, I watched that. I was proud of Juan. He actually did a better job that Mr. O could have. Juan is pretty common sense guy,… (he sometimes leaves his brains at home tho). Once in a while he acts like a lib.
    I think he finally sees what the left is actually doing to our Country. When he becomes the target,….. IT HITS HOME.

  277. Jack,.. & Val,…. I hope you are right too.
    Why do you say 90 days? What is in your thought process to figure (90) days? If you don’t want to comment (due to obots peeking in) I will understand….

  278. Jack,..& Val, You were discussing THE POPE.
    I am not catholic,… but, I do feel that POPE Benedic is a true CHRISTIAN. His eyes are full of “love”,…. “kindness” & PURE CHRISTIAN.
    I believe that you cannot FAKE the eyes.
    Your eyes are the pits of your soul……. YOUR EYES TELL THE TRUTH. obamas eyes are EVIL,….. PURE EVIL. I can’t stand to look at him….. he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I KID YOU NOT!

  279. joyceaz

    ” that person should be our leader”


    We don’t have a leader and we don’t what one.


  281. joyceaz why are you yelling at me .

  282. I didn’t yell. I guess I was typing,..and sometimes it is easier to just type in all caps. I don’t see that it is yelling when all caps are use.

  283. Linda from NY

    Thursday, October 15, 2009
    A Tea Party greets Obama in San Francisco


  284. Good night all ….

  285. Linda from NY

    SARAH PALIN: Make your voices heard before it’s too late


  286. Look people Joseph Ratzinger Pope BenedictXVI is not a bad man and was never a Nazi! All young boys were forced to join Hitlers youth. Actually Joseph Ratzinger ran away from the Hitler youth and got captured by the US military. I believe God was protecting young Joseph Ratzinger. His parents were very good people who despised Hitler and the SS. Yes, Joseph Ratzinger is very different from Pope John Paul II in the sense of personality. But they both hated the Nazi’s and hated and hate Communism. You say you like Pope John Paul II, well Pope John Paul II made Joseph Ratzinger his second hand man. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was made head of the Doctrine of The Faith by Pope John Paul II. The” liberals” meaning liberation theology aka marxists Saul Alinsky types in the Church hated and still hate Joseph Ratzinger! I suggest you read some books on Pope Benedict XVI before he became the Pope. Ignatius Press website has many on him. Don’t believe everything that supposedly comes out from the Vatican as what the Church believes or says about world or politics etc.. There are many Judas’s there trying to destroy Pope BenedictXVI. I love Jesus Christ and His Church and His representative hear on earth. Pope Benedict XVI loves Jesus Christ and His ( Jesus Christ’s Church). Please do factual research before you go bashing a very good man, because of some bias you have against the Catholic Church. By the way, when Pope Benedict XVI visited here in the USA, you can see clearly he loves our country and I am sure is fully aware spiritual battle of what is happening here and is praying for all of us. This is very much a spiritual battle and all of Satan’s demons will try to poison the minds of people against Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church actually they have been doing this since day one and through out history to the present day and they will continue, till Jesus Christ returns in all His Glory to claim His Bride The Church! I have participated in several Tea Parties April 15th in Yorba Linda, July 4th in Buena Park and Sept 12th in west Los Angeles at the Federal Building and today the the protest in front of the NBC Studios in Burbank here in California. I also went to the court hearing on October 5th in Santa Ana. I will continue to do my part in this battle to save this great country, my country which I love and my grandfather fought for in WWII, my uncle in Korean War and great uncles in WWI.

  287. Jacqlyn Smith


    live oak // October 17, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Why would HRC be installed as interim president when she’s named in the suit along with Kenya Boy, Biden, MO, and Gates? She’s complicit in that she knows he’s not constitutionally eligible. It’s also in Orly’s Oct. 11th filing. I found it in her blog archives.

    I think Jack is getting the cart before the horse….HRC is part of the problem….they will all have to be removed and hopefully a special election would be held…..no DemoCRAPS would be allowed on the ballot….after all the entire DNC is guilty of treason on a huge scale…..a lot of them know that is FRAUD is illegal….possibly an alien….no way any of them will get close to the White House for a long time…if ever again!!

  288. Oldsalt:ARCHIE BUNKER (Carroll O’Conner) was also a US Merchant Mariner during WW2. Sailed on the EC2 Liberty Ships (Kaiser Coffins)

    Oldsalt, Thank you for this info about Carolle O’Conner. I have a new found respect for him….maybe he isn’t all that I assumed of him. 🙂

  289. oldsalt77 // October 17, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    The M.O. is exactly the same as the last time,and it is from near exactly the same geographical area. Very strong probability that it is the same horses a$$. Probably doesn’t have the money to buy his anti psyc drugs.
    An obot on Gut Check America courtesy of MSNBC continued using horrid, crass, gross, crude insults (like those from Fred)to me as his response to having no arguments about the fraud aka Obama………soooooo, another poster told him if he didn’t stop, he would be reported to the site, for it was against policy of course.
    It got really bad………but he would go back and delete the remarks……….therefore, no evidence.
    sooooo…….I began using his remarks as a new topic starter with his name/marker/handle; yep, he couldn’t erase my topics or my posts………and eventually, he realized they were there to stay, and could be used against him, and he stopped the vulgar comments.

  290. @Jacqlyn Smith,
    HRC is a BIG problem imho. I could never stand the Clintons. I keep praying for justice and I’d like to see Peloser, Reid, Franks, Dodd and the whole lot of them carted off to prison. My husband says he doubts it will happen. I don’t see why not!
    I hope Jack is right and Kenya Boy is out of the WH in 90 days or less. Less is good!

  291. Have a lovely Sunday everybody! I’ll be checking in on and off throughout the day!!

  292. LNY,
    Thanks for your explanation re: Sarah Palin. I was getting very tired, and my comment sounded so idiotic! It wasn’t just all that money and debt from the lawsuits asa her reason for stepping down as governor!
    Palin is a great patriot and I have much respect for her. So few people in politics have a conscience.

  293. @SueK,
    You are so lucky to have seen Pope John Paul. What a lovely story!

  294. BTW, I’m glad some of you noticed my earlier post about the 1977/1978 change in SS law that happened to correspond with Obama use of his SSN number as he was ‘dropped off’ by his mother in Hawaii and was taken care of by his grandmother the same time.

    This may be what brings him down, imho.

  295. Jack // October 18, 2009 at 12:45 am

    Gen. Petraeus is NOT a conservative.
    Jack – I would like to see a Palin -Petraeus ticket. Gen. Petraeus’s Father-In-Law General William Knowlton’s fore fathers fought with George Washington at Valley Forge. As Casey Stengel used to say “You can look it up”


  296. Susanne // October 18, 2009 at 2:54 am

    Susanne,….. I agree 100%.
    I too believe that Pope BenedictXVI is a good man. All you have to do is look at his eyes.

    There is no Evilness when you look into the pit of his soul. He does have THE LOVE OF JESUS in his heart,….. AND IT SHOWS! IMHO.

  297. found the history of SSN at this site…

    This is an archival or historical document and may not reflect current policies or procedures
    Social Security Numbers
    Social Security Number Chronology

    1935 •The Social Security Act (P.L. 74-271) is enacted. It did not expressly mention the use of SSNs, but it authorized the creation of some type of record keeping scheme.

    1998 change in SS.
    Identity Theft and Assumption Deterrence Act of 1998 (P.L. 105-318)

    •Makes identity theft (transferring or using another person’s means of identification) a crime, subject to penalties.
    •Defines “means of identification” to include name, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driver’s license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, and employer or taxpayer identification number; and
    •Establishes the Federal Trade Commission as a clearinghouse to receive complaints, provide informational materials to victims, and refer complaints to appropriate entities, which may include credit bureaus or law enforcement agencies.
    Vice President announced new policy to allow victims of domestic violence to change their SSN without proof that the abuser had misused their SSN.
    That VP would be the one and only Al Gore…. right?

  298. Val,

    Identifying the speakers by color was absolutely critical to this story. (Did you watch the videos? Dynamite.)

  299. @SueK //11:57,
    I had to laugh at your comment about the Pope. I feel the same way….I don’t trust him one bit. John Paul was a saint. My aunts called him “Popey Dearest”. That still makes me laugh.

    Yes, they don’t now call John Paul II “the great” for nothing. He was called for a very special time in world history. And yet, we have now another man, albeit with another personality, who has demonstrated great sacrifice (esp. his age – JPII was a much younger man when he became Pope) and humility and obedience in position as Holy Father – through the working of the Holy Spirit. He wanted only to retire to his writings and study which he was doing when he was chosen to serve in such an important position as the head of the office of the Doctrine of the Faith upon whom JPII relied heavily. Above all J. Ratzinger was dragged through the mud while he upheld Church teachings against the divisive and apostasizing lefties/Marxists during the most tribulant years of turmoil in the faith.

    And then once he was chosen to replace JPII, in great humility, he only spoke about his unworthiness to fill such a man’s shoes. Being an introvert it has been much sacrifice for him to enter (or be forced) the public square. How would any man like to follow JPII – who was a specially chosen mystic?? And yet, even at his age, he has tried to continue the same outreach to the world through travels that would wear on anyone. That must be a great cross for him and his frail health – but appreciated by Christ. And he has spoken the truth to the enemies of Christ in the world – in pointed words that may not be the delight of the “now, be nice” crowd. Remember, there were many who were crying for JPII to step down when he was so challenged to even speak during his long illness. Remember too, as Mother Theresa said, “we are not called to be successful, but to be faithful”.

    And, of course, as far as the side of emotion only by our sweet relatives goes re: personality, also remember how these same Catholic folks placed JFK on the level of sainthood, with his picture in, at least, every Irish home!! The best sign was that all the liberal feminists, dissident priests, etc. were miserable at the announcement of the choice of Benedict. And we have CINOs today (Catholic in name only) who have the same mistaken personality cult approach towards Obama. And besides, St. Jerome, the great translator of scripture to what we have today, was a pointed grump who would chase out the bothersome ignorant from his cave, throwing his books at them!! Certainly God knows better than we do! Read the prophecies of St. John Bosco to realize where we are today and the roles of the last and present popes in steering the ship of Church and anchoring it to its foundations all the while being attacked from all sides. Let us not join in with the attackers!

  300. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    There has been so much talk about Pope Benedict, I feel as a Catholic I must speak up.

    First, he is a theoretical theologian; not a pragamatic one; and very naive when it comes to international politics, he does not like confrontation at all.

    He means to say there should be a peaceful just order in the world to help the poor and not use economics to exploit and impoverish.

    But this is a moral ideal, not a practical program.

    The Vatican, by the way, never aspired to be a world government…what a crazy theory….

    Yes, in Catholic kingdoms during the middle ages it was accepted that the Pope had spiritual power over kings and churches, subjects and princes; but that was because they were catholic.

    The authority the Pope has over the entire world refers to his duty to proclaim Christ, teach faith in Christ, settle disputes between believers, who ask him; and disputes in matters of faith and morals, as to what Jesus meant.

    It has nothing to do with world government in the civil sense of the term, why the Vatican does not even have a spy network, nor a judicial or crimal system!

  301. During the primaries when Gov. Richardson decided to nominate Obama instead of Hillary, I thought I heard Hillary tell Richardson “He can’t win.”

    That statement tells me she knew something at that time.

  302. SueK–
    Good morning. Just for clarification, as I
    stated last night my vote went for the McCain ticket (with Palin on it last time I looked).
    So, it’s not “her politics” that’s in question.
    I just think she should have stayed in the
    Gov’s role before going forward.

  303. Susanne // October 18, 2009 at 2:54 am

    Look people Joseph Ratzinger Pope BenedictXVI is not a bad man and was never a Nazi! All young boys were forced to join Hitlers youth. Actually Joseph Ratzinger ran away from the Hitler youth and got captured by the US military. I believe God was protecting young Joseph Ratzinger*****************************************************************************

    Susanne…..Thanks for posting this and setting some people straight here…..I wanted to do the same but hadn’t gotten around to it……You all are making it sound like Pope Benedict XVI is a supporter of the FRAUD’S……the Catholic Church did not support the election of him or any other DemoCRAP for that matter……including HRC because they are followers of Satan with their Pro-abortion agendas……the Pope and several high ranking Bishops all have informed Pelosi, Biden and Kennedy(when he was alive) that they were spreading false information to Americans in their beliefs on when life begins….all were told they should not take communion as they are all in violation of the Churches teachings…..which is totally and absolutely against abortion, euthanasia and the death penalty!!! This Death Scare plan that the DemoCRAPS are trying to push down our throats is totally immoral and unjust!!

  304. jbjd @ 9:56,

    (Did you watch the videos? Dynamite.)


    Not sure I understand your comment.

    If you’re asking me if I watched the Juan Williams video’s …. yes.

  305. maddie // October 18, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Morning, Maddie,

    I don’t know the reason for her going forward but I do believe it was the Clintons’ usual power games.

    I’ve always questioned their politics and have never been a fan of either; they simply won’t go away.

    Thanks for clarifying. I voted for Palin.

  306. maddie – many agree with you that she should have stayed put, but she didn’t.

    she’s bigger than Alaska meaning her brand of policymaking is what is sorely lacking in the leadership ranks of the Repub Party. She’s a solid conservative with a bit of a slant toward libertarianism.

    Imagine if she would have stayed in office, she would have had to have been extremely cautious in her policy strategy. Every bill she would have sponsored would have gone under such severe scrutiny by the D’s that gridlock would have become modus operandi b/c the D’s would have done everything they could to trash or kill her bills. Therefore, she’d be spending two years as a lame duck and the peoples business would not have been served.

    She made the right decision IMHO. Now she is free to walk whatever pathway she chooses, whereas b4 she would have been carrying the responsibility of the state’s business on her shoulders.

    Her choices were stick it out and damn the people or leave and free up the people’s business.

    Honestly, JMO, I admire her even more for walking away from a job she loved. Making the decision was tough enough, but to actually turn in the keys two years b4 your term as Governor was up had to have been a very sad day for her. She had no other reasonable alternative. The D’s were relentless w/their bogus ethics claims and they were not going to let up.

  307. #

    Greg Goss // October 18, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Retry 4 SCOTUS Decisions Define NBC


    Thanks for the post Greg…..John did a great job laying there laying out the cases which tell us who can be a NBC!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  308. Thanks for the post Greg…..John did a great job laying there laying out the cases which tell us who can be a NBC!!!


    Try that again Greg….I’m not quite awake…..Suppose to say…..

    Thanks for the post Greg……John did a great job laying it all out there with the cases that tell us who can be a NBC!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Sorry about that!

  309. Dr. Orly and Pope BenedictXVI both came from evil systems that is why they know those systems so well and how demeaning and destructive they are to the human spirit. Most of us have only read about these governments, they suffered under them.

  310. The media is still treating Obama as if he has high numbers which he has not had since June 30.
    Sunday, October 18, 2009 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement
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  311. A great new write up by Mario Apuzzo…..can be found at his blog…..


    Saturday, October 17, 2009
    Congress and the Media Have Placed America at Risk of Being Attacked from Within
    An election for President and Commander in Chief of the Military must strive to be above reproach. Our public institutions must give the public confidence that a presidential candidate has complied with the election process that is prescribed by our Constitution and laws. It is only after a presidential candidate satisfies the rules of such a process that he/she can expect members of the public, regardless of their party affiliations, to give him/her the respect that the Office of President so much deserves.

    All those who have been following the Obama eligibility issue well know that Article II, Section 1, clause 5 provides that “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . .” At this blog, I have already explained the importance of the “natural born Citizen” clause. See my essay entitled, Why the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of Our Constitution Is Important and Worth Preserving, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-natural-born-citizen-clause-is.html. In order for Obama to prove that he is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” he must conclusively demonstrate that he was born in the United States to a United States citizen mother and father. For legal support for this definition of what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, see, among others, my articles at this blog entitled, The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth, located at
    Article II “Natural Born Citizen” Means Unity of Citizenship At Birth, located at
    and ‘The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law’ as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/law-of-nations-and-not-english-common.html.

    At present, there is much controversy regarding where Obama was born. We have seen much contradictory information regarding this issue. Obama maintains he was born in Hawaii at Kapi’olani Medical Center and as his best evidence he has posted on the internet a computer-imaged Certification of Live Birth (COLB, which is a summary of his alleged long-from hospital-generated birth certificate) to prove that fact. According to the laws of Hawaii, this summary document, which does not contain information as to which hospital he was born in or what doctor delivered him, is only prima facie evidence of a birth in Hawaii. On the other hand, there exists evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. For a presentation of this evidence, see my essay on this blog entitled,
    Obama Has Not Met His Burden Of Proving He Was Born In Hawaii, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-has-not-met-his-burden-of-proving.html. Additionally, just over the last few days, we have seen surface on the internet old newspaper articles that were written in African newspapers in 2004 stating that Obama was born in Kenya. http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/video-documents-discovery-of-ap-story-declaring-obama-kenyan-born/; http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/2-more-african-news-agencies-declare-obama-kenyan-born/; http://thepmnews.com/2008/11/25/two-nigerians-tipped-as-potential-%E2%80%98british-obama%E2%80%99. Because of this conflicting information, the prima facie validity of the COLB must fail. Hence, Obama should present evidence that corroborates his and the State of Hawaii’s position that he was born in Hawaii and that he is a “natural born Citizen. He has without good reason refused to provide this evidence.

    It has been reported how past Hawaiian State practices with its birth certificate procedures have presented opportunities for birth certificate fraud. An example of such fraud is that of Chinese native, Sun Yat Sen, one of the founders of the Republic of China, who was born in China but was able to obtain a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth in 1904 based on his fraudulent affidavit and evidence submitted by witnesses to the Hawaiian authorities stating that he was born in Hawaii on November 24, 1870. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii. See also the September 2000 report of the Office of Inspector General, entitled “Birth Certificate Fraud,” which provides an update on the nature and extent of birth certificate fraud, found at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf. Because of critical importance of knowing for sure who the President is, the potential for birth certificate fraud, and since Obama’s original long-form birth certificate housed in the offices of the Hawaii Department of Health can be some type of certificate (even a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth) that is based on some family member’s affidavit of personal knowledge but which includes no documentary evidence of an actual birth in Hawaii, it becomes crucial to confirm whether there exists any corroborating evidence of Obama actually being born in Hawaii. Consequently, various members of the public have tried to obtain information that would adequately confirm Obama’s and the State of Hawaii’s statements that he was born in Hawaii. These concerned citizens have made requests to the State of Hawaii and to various hospitals there for such information. The State of Hawaii, Kapi’olani Medical Center, and Queens Medical Center (originally claimed by Obama’s sister to by his birth place) have publicly stated that they cannot release the needed details of Obama’s birth, including whether his deceased mother was even a maternity patient in any of those hospitals, because of Obama’s state and federal privacy rights. Not being successful, some of these concerned citizens, feeling duty bound to the Constitution and our country, have filed law suits and Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) actions against Obama and others to obtain this information.

    Given that Obama and/or his agents have already publicly released some information regarding his place of birth, one commentator, William, has asked me on my blog ( http://puzo1.blogspot.com/. ) whether Obama has waived his privacy rights to such birth information. At least two arguments can be advance that Obama has waived any privacy right that he might have in his birth information located in the State of Hawaii and in its hospitals. One is that he has waived his privacy rights to his alleged long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate by posting his COLB on the internet for the world to see. A problem with this argument is that the COLB does not disclose all his private information (name of hospital, doctors, etc.) and he can argue that his waiver is only as to the information contained on the COLB and no more. As a response, it can be argued that Obama waived his privacy right as to the identity of the hospital in which he was born given that he allegedly wrote a letter dated January 24, 2009 to Kapi’olani Medical Center in which he acknowledge being born there and which letter the hospital posted on its web page (suspiciously posting not a scan of an actual paper letter but only a computer-generated image created with HTML code) for the world to see. For more details, see the WND story on the letter at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=104146. I have grave doubts whether this letter is authentic given that both Obama and U.S. Rep. Neil Abercrombie D-Hawaii, who allegedly gave the letter to the hospital and publicly read the letter during the hospital’s centennial celebration, refuse to confirm whether this letter is real.

    The second argument is more powerful and convincing. Under Article II, a would-be President must be a “natural born Citizen” to be eligible for the Presidency. Hence, any candidate knows that such “natural born Citizen” status is required to hold the public Office of President. No one winning an election and wanting to fill that public office has a reasonable expectation of privacy as to where he/she was born given that job’s eligibility requirement that one must be a “natural born Citizen.” See my article on this blog entitled, Obama’s Personal Right To Privacy Cannot Trump The Right Of The People To Know Who Their President Is, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/obamas-personal-right-to-privacy-cannot.html. Of course, that person’s obligation to prove his/her “natural born Citizen” status includes providing credible, competent, and sufficient documentary and other evidence of, among other things, place of birth. Clearly and without doubt, the public interest in knowing that the President-elect is eligible for the office he/she seeks to fill by far out weighs any privacy interest that the person may have in his/her birth documents. It is also clear that knowing who the person is who will occupy the Office of President and Commander in Chief concerns national security and the safety of the United States and the whole world. It is not reasonable to believe that such a person’s privacy interest would out weigh the People’s need to safeguard national security and for self-preservation. Simply put, it would be beyond absurdity to honestly contend that such a person has a right to shield from the same People that he/she is constitutionally duty bound to serve and protect information that he/she must provide to them to show that he/she is qualified for that singular and all-powerful public position which would vest him/her with great power to affect every aspect of the People’s lives.

    But underneath the privacy rights question lurks a much more serious concern. We can see the absurdity of Obama sitting on privacy rights to conceal his long-form birth certificate from the public. It is downright despicable for our media and Congress and others to apologize for Obama and let him get away with it. They know full well that he has no such privacy rights. The birth information and documents that Obama refuses to reveal to the public surely are revealing of whether his is eligible to hold the Office of President. Why has the media not filed any legal actions against Obama, the State of Hawaii, and other parties, seeking to legally lift any privacy barriers to Obama’s birth information as it has so many times in the past filed actions against others running for public office who sought to prevent the public from learning details of some aspect of their private lives? What is a travesty of justice is that Obama was probably able to win his U.S. Senate seat because the media (Chicago Tribune) filed a legal action against rival Republican Jack Ryan in which it was successful in getting the “kinky sex” details of his divorce released to the public. Why the media in our country would believe what type of sex two consenting married adults practice is more important than making sure that the national security of our country is protected is beyond comprehension and represents the quintessence of warped priorities. I do not believe that anyone who truly cares about our country and Constitution can express enough in words the outrage that he/she feels about how cowardly our political leaders and media have acted with Obama on the question of his place of birth.

    Congress has abdicated its constitutional oath and the media, the so-called fourth branch of our government, has failed to perform its journalistic duty to the People of the United States to assure them that Obama’s election to the highest and most powerful office in the land adhered to our Constitution and laws. Congress has been given a chance to correct its failings and still it refuses to perform its constitutional obligation. With the assistance of its media cronies and others, they all ridicule and suppress the efforts of those who are fighting to make sure that our Constitution has been respected in the last Presidential election and that our nation is safe with Obama currently occupying the Presidency and being the Commander in Chief of our military might.

    We must then ask ourselves why Congress and the media have not pressed Obama for the necessary and relevant birth information for at least the sake of the integrity of the Presidential election process and the safety of our nation? Moreover, Obama cannot be an Article II “natural born Citizen” because under the British Nationality Act of 1948 when Obama was born in 1961 his father was a British subject/citizen and Obama himself was born a British subject/citizen. See Obama, the Putative President of the U.S., Is Currently Also a British Citizen, located at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-president-of-us-is-currently-also_29.html. Like a naturalized citizen who is not eligible to be President, Obama was born with an allegiance to a foreign power and is therefore not eligible to be President and more so not eligible to be the leader of our military men and women. To allow Obama to hide his birth information and to not challenge him for not being an Article II “natural born Citizen” is nothing more than at best, politicians and those in their coterie allowing corrupt party politics, self-interest, and/or cowardice to blind their constitutional duty to protect and defend our country and Constitution, at worst, part of someone’s plot to attack and destroy the United States from within, or both. Given that any attack on the United States will most likely come from within, these latter two scenarios must be given serious consideration and ruled out only after sufficient evidence exists to so rule them out. Hence, the deliberate or reckless failing by those who are supposed to protect and defend our country and Constitution is tantamount to treason.

    All members of Congress that have allowed and continue to allow the raping of our Constitution and the placing of our nation at risk to being attacked from within need to be removed from Congress, without any exceptions. As to what to do with those members of the media and others who have failed and continue to fail to do their job to adequately protect and defend our Constitutional Republic, that is a question for another day.

    Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
    185 Gatzmer Avenue
    Jamesburg, New Jersey 08831
    October 18, 2009

  312. @Observer,
    I was not criticising the new Pope. I was just stating my opinion. I don’t trust him, that’s all.
    I can’t stand the Kennedy’s and never could. I don’t like the Clintons either.
    I am a Libertarian. I vote for the best candidate….always have. Right now the government is a sewer and there is no law in DC.

  313. The new write up by Apuzzo is fantastic…..I tried to post the whole thing but it is in moderation so go to his blog and read it…..


  314. Pope Benedict does know what O is about. It’s evident to everyone…even to obots who have eyes to see but refuse to do so. Benedict is a theologian. He is not a glad-hander. I know a priest who personally knew both and has high regard for both. They have different personalities. So, Benedict can’t be JPII and vice versa. Both are very learned men. Being Pope is not a personality thing. A Pope has to uphold the truths of the Catholic Church. He is the proverbial line in the sand. He is commissioned, not hired, to look after the flock. There have always been controversies about the papacy. Some have agreed with it, but didn’t wanted the sitting Pope to be there. Some wanted the papacy to go back to the way it was in the 9th century. And on and on it goes. Benedict didn’t want this job but it was thrust on him by the Holy Spirit. Lots of responsibility. Give the guy a break!

  315. live oak // October 18, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Morning Live Oak,

    As you probably know, Orly received your message and posted your info on her web site (I knew it was you because you mentioned CW!)

    I’m sure one of her assistants will be able to get to the bottom of this!

    Good job! 🙂

  316. http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/catechismonabortion.htm
    Catholic teaching re: Abortion
    2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person — among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.(71)
    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you. (72)
    My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth .(73)
    2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
    You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish .(74)
    God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.(75)
    2272 Formal co-operation in an abortion constitutes a grave offence. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ‘A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae’ (76) ‘by the very commission of the offence’, (77) and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law . (78) The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

  317. Patriot Dreamer

    Richard // October 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Richard, Judge Carter is not required to follow cases that come from the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. His court falls under the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and their precedent court decisions.

    Even so, I am expecting him to dismiss the quo warranto part of her case, with instructions that if she wants to pursue quo warranto, then she needs to do it in D.C. Judge Carter can, in his discretion, allow the rest of her case to proceed.

  318. Good morning all. Thought I’d share this video:

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  320. Nancy: What a beautifully composed video! Thanks so much for sharing!

    Happy Day…Linda

  321. Our enemy is the “Progressive Caucus”. This is the focus we need to maintain to rid congress of ultra left idealogues. They have hijacked congress and taken control of the executive branch. //M-P

  322. Linda:

    You are welcome! I know I enjoyed it, although it did bring tears.

  323. All of these Obama Kenya Africa newspaper articles went viral-every website now has copies. The Steady Drip, The Obama Files, Radio Patriot, etc. I doubt scrubbing at this time would be effective. Another description of Obama see below:
    Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others.
    I don’t know if all of these links will be working when you see this as O Bama’s people are “scrubbing” them as fast as they are posted. They were working when I checked last night.

  324. Patriot dreamer:–

    Quo Warranto may be a red herring.

    Orly’s case vis a vis Alan Keyes is a tort case in fraud against Candidate Obama — and the US Govt. is not a party to THAT case, nor does Alan Keyes necessarily seek removal of Obama, just recovery for the fraud!

    Once Candidate Obama is shown (proven) in Judge Carter’s court to be a fraud, Congress will make Obama leave office under tremendous political pressure to do just that

  325. Wasn’t Old Salt looking for that SSN Susan Daniels has for b.o.? Although I’m sure he has the affidavit, I noticed that even though the number is blacked out, you can pretty well make it out on some of the pages.

  326. Oh my goodness, those pages have been removed from the online affidavit. I swear, they were there just earlier this morning!

  327. OK, I’ll try this link. I think all 11 pages are still on this one:

  328. Moreover, as said before, it’s SLAM DUNK that Obama’s not a “natural born citizen” which requires 2 citizen parents. The federal judges know this and Team Obama knows this. That is precisely why jurisdiction and standing in any federal court IS the entire ball game against Obama.

  329. The blacked out numbers appear (at least to me) to be 042-68 (the last 4 digits are not blocked out) – 4425. Is this what Old Salt was looking for?

  330. nancy.. Thank you for sharing that video. I am sending it to all my friends. We ARE going to take America back. We ARE. I can just feel it. TY Nancy

  331. Amy:

    Thank you for the positive feelings. We have to stick together. With all the steps people are taking to save our country, we have to also BELIEVE we will.

  332. Palin’s last night comments on Facebook has it right.. by sarah palin: Good Intentions Arent Enough With Healthcare Reform

  333. Yes, Nancy… We will never give up. The truth is coming out. We WILL get this fraud out of the WH, legally and responsibly.

  334. amy1 // October 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Hi Amy,

    Thanks for the link….it’s now bookmarked!

  335. Sue.. You are welcome

  336. jack – what are you basing the “90” day prediction on? Orly’s case?

  337. Sure hope Obama doesnt sign that Copehagen Treaty in Dec, ceding US Soverinity

  338. amy1:–

    Treaties signed by a usurper are null and void.

    Surely some of these foreign nations are aware that Obama is ineligible to be President of the USA as not being a “natural born citizen” under Article 2 of the US Constitution.

  339. d21,

    Imagine what would happen IF Judge Carter were to find no standing, no jurisdiction.

    Certainly there is at least standing for Alan Keyes for the tort of fraud against Candidate (not President) Obama! (which is why quo warranto is a red herring)

  340. Officer attempts to intimidate Open Carry owner and fails. This is why it’s important to know your rights, depending on what state you’re in.

  341. Nancy —

    An observation for the ‘minute detail’ group —

    Did you notice on the official SSN card the TWO dates — o8/04/1961 — and — 04/08/1961 ?

    These are the same date in two formats — the American format, and the British format.

    This would seem to indicate that Stanley Ann Dunham, applying for a Social Security Number for her 16 to 18 year old son, Barack — presented a ‘British-format Birth Certificate’ AND a American-format “Certification of Birth!”

    The questions are: Why 2 documents? and Why in Connecticut?

  342. Happy Sunday all, The congress has allowed the Socialist/Marxist/Commies to do more damage to this country than has ever been done before hopefully the damages are not irrepairable. When O is removed I believe Joe Biden will be put in and the court proceedings will have to start all over again with evidence that Biden was a party to the usurption. Each individual will have to have a hearing with evidence of the part they played in this scam. The evidence is mounting and surely there is someone that will want to save their butt, Hillary and Bubba could do this if they would. If there is anything we have found out it’s that O is not very smart, even though he has pulled the biggest con in history. There are more of us each day as the word is getting out all over the world of O not being a NBC. I am running a flyer in a local newspaper with info on his ineligibility. The libs defense of him is sounding weaker every day. The American people have a lot more guts than O and his backers counted on. Let’s remove the filth from the WH, with any available means possible. GOD bless you all!!

  343. Linda from NY

    venice: Thanks for the link. I have already passed this information onto friends and family who have elderly parents.

    It never ceases to amaze me how much time and effort our pp expends destroying anything that is good!

  344. Here is the latest from Orly’s site. I know oldsalt77 would be interested in this. Please forgive me if it’s already been posted.

    Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:00 AM

    View contact details
    nsankey, dr_taitz@yahoo.com

    Please, notice that Obama used 2 social security numbers of other individuals in Land’s hometown of Columbus GA. Any judge with integrity and any respect for the law and the Constitution not only would not sanction me and would grant me further discovery, but would sua sponte forward a copy of the pleadings to the local DA, to Atty Gen of GA , local US atty, police and FBI for criminal inveastigation .

    Additionally now there is a mountain of evidence of illegal activity in relation to Michelle Obama. National databases show her going by different last names in association with the same social security number xxx-xx-2302, born 09.03.66. We have her under the names of Michelle Meyers and Michelle Paton in national databases in Alfaretta, GA, Atlanta GA and Suwanee GA as well as numerous other locations around the Nation, such as Owatonna MN and Port Jefferson NY.

    Interesting observation:

    There is a sale of a house in Alfaretta, GA parcel 22-4952-1050-115 at 225 Relais trce, Alfaretta GA. The sellers are Michelle and Fred Meyers. Social security number used, is one used by Michelle all her life xxx-xx-2302 (I am not allowed to publish the full birth certificates number, I have to redact it. The full number can be published only for the deceased). Who is Fred Meyers, listed on the deed with Michelle? Did Obama go by that name? Is this a real sale of a real house or was it a banking money laundering transaction used with a bogus name and address? Why is our worthless department of Justice (Injustice) and FBI (as in FalseBirthcertificates and Ids) doesn’t do a thing to investigate this criminal activity and bring Obamas to justice.

    I don’t know if you have these complete SSNs for Obama:

    xxx-xx–6554 1000 NW 33 Ave., Forth Worth, TX

    485-40-5154 (Deceased) 83775 Bates Rd., Jackson, NJ

    xxx-xx–2965 and xxx-xx-2961 505 Farr C, Columbus, GA

    799-89-7090 111 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, UT

    xxx-xx-8765 1236 Po Box, Provo, UT

    xx-xx-2302 5450 S East View Park 1, Chicago, IL

    None of these are from Hawaii. Those all start with 575 or 576.

    Susan Daniels
    Daniels and Associates Investigations, Inc.

  345. Linda from NY

    carmen: First, I do not believe there is anything that is irreversible.

    We the People have not been conned, IMHO; hypnotized maybe, but not conned. We are victims of the most massive Fraud in history.

    I still do not believe we had an election; our votes did not count. It was a pre-determined result planned by some very clever people. IMHO

    I also do not believe Biden would be in charge if pp was removed, especially if the reason pp was removed was determined to be Fraud. Biden is part and parcel to the Fraud, and anyone else who knew he was not eligible is part and parcel to the Fraud [i.e., Pelosi].

    I believe you are correct; each would have to defend him/herself against charges of culpability, and that could take a great deal of time. However, if he is removed [not sure about this], but I think anyone he appointed other than those who were affirmed by the Senate [i.e., Cabinet members] would have to be removed as well.

    The best part would be that anything he signed into law would be null and void if it is proven he is a usurper.

    We are truly blessed by God to be among those who contribute here, carmen!

    Happy Sunday…Linda

  346. Linda from NY

    live oak: Wow! What a find! Sure is “fishy!” Maybe, we should report it to the government “fishy” line…lol

  347. amy1 // October 18, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Sure hope Obama doesnt sign that Copehagen Treaty in Dec, ceding US Soverinity


    I think U.S. sovereignty largely went out the window back in April, with the creation of the Financial Stability Board.


  348. An archives audio of Otunno referring to Kenyan born Luo tribe member Obama becoming US president before any Luo member ever becomes president of Kenya:

  349. LindaNY, I sure would love to believe you are right! Yes, I know when he is removed all he has signed into law will be voided. My thoughts are the charges are being brought against O not the others. I pray the WH will be cleaned out with his eviction. I do believe his Hocus Pocus routine is over. God bless

  350. Again… Thanks for all the info. God Bless America!!!

  351. CNN , Susanne , Jacqlyn – thank you for your comments regarding Pope Benedict . I was about to do the same . Points well served – the Pope is the universal symbol of Christ on earth – head of the Catholic church and the church is concerned about the spiritual emotional and physical strength of every human being on earth as the belief is we were all created by God – special each unto themselves to be equally valued while on this earth – but politically the line is drawn in the sand as are right and wrong / black and white issues – relativism is no language engaged in b the church as it is by Obama .

  352. Jacqlyn Smith

    This is what cracks me up….here we have a real criminal in BHO…..yet in less than a week we can have “balloon boy” and family lynched and hung out to dry for what the MSM believes is a HOAX….yet all of the criminal evidence and lack of documents for the FRAUD and family…..he is still running around the world pretending to be POTUS and the MSM refuses to let the sunshine in….WTH is going on here…..MSM is killing our country!!!! MURDERERS….all of them!!

  353. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: I read the link you provided with great interest. However, I think this board is limited in its power and reach. As I read the list of what the FSB will do, I noticed the verbs that were used to describe its purpose and responsiblity.

    “Monitor, assess, advise, set guidelines, undertake strategic reviews, manage contingency planning, and collaborate with the IMF to conduct early warning exercises…” This tells me they are nothing but an oversight board with no power or authority, but to “suggest” possibilities.

    IMHO, we are not relinquishing sovereignty by participating; we are merely keeping an eye on what everyone else is thinking and proposing.

    It may be a precursor of things to come, but I do not think it should cause alarm. We should be monitoring them IMHO.

  354. Jack, I agree with you 90 days he is out,Hillary in. I guess you know that when you bring up Hillary’s name ,the people here go ,well I think you know what I mean.

  355. Linda from NY


    Counterinsurgency Doctrine and the Global Jihad


  356. Patriot Dreamer

    Bob // October 18, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Nancy –

    An observation for the ‘minute detail’ group –

    Did you notice on the official SSN card the TWO dates — o8/04/1961 — and — 04/08/1961 ?

    These are the same date in two formats — the American format, and the British format.

    This would seem to indicate that Stanley Ann Dunham, applying for a Social Security Number for her 16 to 18 year old son, Barack — presented a ‘British-format Birth Certificate’ AND a American-format “Certification of Birth!”

    The questions are: Why 2 documents? and Why in Connecticut?
    Bob, good catch and very good questions!

  357. Go to 32:50 into this radio program, sit back and listen, and you’ll understand why standing and jurisdiction IS THE BALL GAME against Obama (there’s no need ever to get to the merits):–


  358. Linda from NY

    Jack: Many have said, “Never underestimate the Clintons.” Many have said, “Hillary will live to fight another day.” Many have also said, “Hillary, no way!”

    Some questions for you: If Hillary and Bill knew he was ineligible, why would they remain silent when uncovering the “Fraud” during the primary would have gotten Hillary the nomination and possibly, the Presidency?

    Was it not Bill who eluded to telling us something in January, but never did?

    Why would those who did not vote for Hillary accept her taking the reigns?

    Is there something in the protocol of disqualification, that would allow Hillary to step into the Oval Office?

    I would appreciate your thoughts…thanks.

  359. Linda from NY

    Patriot Dreamer: Isn’t Harvard in Connecticut?

  360. Harvard is in Cambridge, Mass.

  361. Patriot Dreamer

    Linda, Harvard is in Massachusetts. Is there a Connecticut connection to BO or his family? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

  362. Linda from NY

    PD: Thanks…it’s my day of rest for both mind and body…looks like I need it…lol

    If there is a CT connection, we will find it I am sure!

  363. Linda from NY

    Michelle: Please read the link I posted at 2:13 PM. I know you will find what Netanyahu has to say quite relevant. Thanks.

  364. just wondering

    Citizen’s Agenda:

    No to Cap & Trade
    No to Health Care Reform as presently suggested
    No to another Stimulus debacle
    No to global Governance
    No to the Federal Reserve
    No to higher taxes
    No to the UN
    No to funding ACORN & Affiliates FOREVER
    No to the czars
    No to the Unions/Card Check
    No to SEIU
    No to the census counting non-citizens
    No to limits on Free Speech
    No to the Apollo alliance and affiliates writing any bills or getting any funding
    Not to pork spending! Let local communities figure out how to fund their own projects
    No to any new justices unless they are constructionist
    No to Cost of living increases on social security when there is no raise in the cost of living
    No to Freddie and Fannie
    No to Community Reinvestment Act
    No to funding Hamas
    No to interfering in Hondouran politics
    No to funding the UN
    No the ‘Laws of the Sea Treaty’
    Not to telling us what kind of light bulb or shower head or toilet we have to use!

    Yes to Investigating and abolishing the Fed (AND Prosecute all involved in the crimes)
    Yes to Investigating ACORN and Prosecute all involved (They are clearly not a non-partisan group, and ALL who benefited from their fraud should be prosecuted as well. I am sure politicians knew who they were benefiting from)
    Yes to investigating Fannie and Freddie and prosecuting all involved (and I mean Congressmen and Senators and Attorney Generals and Jamie Gorelick TOO! This investigation needs to be thorough including the ACORN involvement at state level payoffs form banks, and connections between congress and bank boards who benefited from these connections)
    Yes to selling off all Fannie and Freddie assets so that the government can no longer distort the housing market
    Yes to getting the Government out of the Student Loan business
    Yes to getting the Government out of the Auto Industry and all other industries!
    Yes to Abolishing the EPA and all other obstructive agencies
    Yes to TORT reform
    Yes to getting the government out of the Banking industry
    Yes to Repealing all laws that are unconstitutional
    Yes to Seriously protecting our borders!
    Yes to Evicting all people here illegally. All this would require is allowing our law officers to be able to ask about citizenship. People would return on their own. One way tickets back are less than the costs imposed on our health/education/welfare systems
    Yes to Forcing the Justice department into allowing states to purge the voter rolls of illegals and dead people and all who were signed up by ACORN and affiliates
    Yes to Drilling in ANWAR
    Yes to English being the Only language
    Yes to eliminating welfare, food stamps and all other handouts. Charity should happen on a local level and be voluntary, not forced
    Yes to throwing out our ridiculous tax code and replacing it with a Flat tax eliminating all other federal taxes
    Yes to a limit on the size of bills say 5 pages of 12 font
    Yes to a bill that would require eliminating two laws for every new law passed
    Yes to term limits
    Yes to Prosecuting government officials for TREASON! ALL of You who have taken an oath to uphold the constitution and yet purposefully undermine it are guilty!

    The US government should not be involved in the Health care industry or the education industry or any other industry. Your regulations are strangling We the People! We want to be able to decide how to run our own schools and our own industries and our own households. We want to be able to hire and fire as we see fit. STOP the insanity.

    On a State level we need to:
    Require that CANDIDATES prove their eligibility before we put them on a ballot
    Purge our voter rolls
    Require proof of citizenship to register
    Limit voting to one day!
    Require photo ID to vote
    Have paper ballots (I do not trust the computerized voting machine as they have shown the ability to be tampered with)
    Have voters fingers dyed to prevent double voting.
    Make sure that the number of votes =number of voters=number of people exiting the polling place(minus children)

    Make sure our AG’s are working for We the People
    Have Acorn investigated and eliminated
    No State dollars should fund any group or Union
    Lower state taxes
    Immediately Eliminate 1/3 of State Employees

    I am sitting here wondering what the purpose of a State government is supposed to be? Isn’t it more like a protective layer between the people and the Federal Government? Maybe someone could comment on what their roll is meant to be. Am I wrong in thinking that government has gotten way to big on all levels?

    I see all levels of Government as more of a defense. I do not think that Congressmen and Senators getting together to write up new legislation is good idea! It usually ends up restricting our rights not enhancing them! And, the effect of the legislation usually benefits a small number of citizens (and govt. officials)at the expense of the rest of us. I say NO. Stop the insanity. It is not a good thing when Senators McCain,Snowe, Collins and Graham decide to cross the aisle to ‘Get Things Done…” We are better off without the “Things” every time.

    We the people, the Tea Partiers, the 912ers the Can You Hear us Now?, etc…we all need to join together and tell the Republicans who our candidates are! The republican party can chose to embrace them if they are smart, or reject them at their peril. I am not against the Democrats embracing them if they want to, it just seems less likely.

    Please Add to the list any ideas you have and fell free to question those you disagree with…and let’s Take Our Country Back!

  365. Holder Receives Thurgood Marshall Leadership Award

    In a gala held at the Galleria on 21st Street, Attorney General Eric Holder was honored at the 11th annual Thurgood Marshall College Fund Community Leadership Awards Ceremony, held during the Congressional Black Caucus Legislative Week.

    The attendees greeted Holder with thunderous applause as he walked the green marble steps to a podium set up in the Galleria’s ballroom. “I am really humbled,” Holder said.

    Holder delivered brief remarks on the importance of education to D.C.’s African American community. He said fulfilling Thurgood Marshall’s legacy meant students pushing themselves and becoming socially engaged. “Thurgood Marshall saw what
    our world could become. So he pushed to build it,” Holder said.

    “Now it’s our turn to make the world what it can become,” Holder said. ” Now it’s our turn to push.”

    The best way to push for change, Holder said, would be to ensure students have the opportunity to go to college. For that, Holder thanked the Thurgood Marshall fund, for providing scholarships to students attending the nation’s historically African American public colleges and universities.

    Before he was presented with the first Community Leadership Award of the night, Holder was introduced by former Assistant U.S. Attorney for New Jersey Peter C. Harvey, currently a partner at New Jersey law firm Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler. “No one in the history of the Department of Justice has come to [the position of Attorney General] better than General Holder,” Harvey said.


  366. Linda from NY


    Harris Poll: Obama approval at 45%


  367. Bob // October 18, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    No, I didn’t notice those dates. Good observation!

  368. Linda from NY

    LM: Thanks for your post and link.

    Geeez…do they have to keep rewarding themselves to justify themselves as being human?

    What a joke! However, I am not laughing! Are you?

  369. Linda-

    I would really like to know how it is possible that even 45% approve of b.o.

  370. Linda from NY

    Nancy: Good question!

  371. Linda from NY

    Happy Days are here again! NY Times says recession over


  372. Linda from NY

    LM: LOL…and who elected him the “news” expert? Gosh, that man gives me hives!

  373. Someone here had posted the other day about b.o.’s service stuff on tv from Oct. 19-25. I didn’t know the details. But, I think Jeff Schreiber had described it quite well:


  374. Linda from NY

    This is sick!



  375. Trudy // October 18, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Not wise to insult these ‘people here’ as you call us….
    Wiser on your part to go to these links and see if you can make heads or tails out of all the deaths surrounding the Clintons.

    the Clinton Casualties

    the Clinton Body Count

  376. Linda from NY


    Sunday, October 18, 2009
    UK: Welsh, “We Are Happy Living With Muslims”


  377. Linda from NY

    On a lighter note [?]…great pix!

    Man builds working replica of Noah’s Ark (exact scale given in Bible)


  378. Linda: Regarding McDonnell – All eyes are on Virginia’s election next month to see if Dems get voted out. Also, same thing here in NJ. If our Gov. (Corzine), who has had very low ratings, gets re-elected, we’ll know something fishy happened. Afterall, we do have those electronic voting machines, with no paper trail. You know, the ones that can be hacked into within minutes.

  379. Linda,

    Thanks for the Noah’s Ark story. I’ll pass it along to family & friends.

  380. Linda-an added note to my above post about the Noah’s Ark story. I can’t wait to send it to my family’s friends (about 90 years old now). Not only very devoted Christians, but he was a boat builder. Now he builds model boats, which he actually sails by remote control. They will LOVE that story. Thanks again.

  381. Linda from NY

    Nancy: Those electronic voting machines have got to go! They pose the biggest problem to securing the integrity of the vote. Too bad someone hasn’t done something about that yet, but there is still time enough to change them, no?

  382. Jacqlyn Smith

    JJ // October 18, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Trudy // October 18, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Not wise to insult these ‘people here’ as you call us….
    Wiser on your part to go to these links and see if you can make heads or tails out of all the deaths surrounding the Clintons.


    JJ….Unfortunately that is why our government is in such shambles…..can you say COVER-UP?????

  383. Linda from NY

    Stop The Madness. No More Power For Obama.


  384. Linda from NY



  385. Jacqlyn Smith

    Linda from NY // October 18, 2009 at 3:17 pm


    McDonnell, a poised presence, could lift the GOP

    Linda….I sure hope he wins out over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds! Is this the race where Clinton is going one day….then Biden and last but not least the FRAUD who claims to be POTUS….I hope they all show up and then Deeds gets his A$$ whipped will serve them right!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  386. Linda from NY


    Jewish World Review Oct. 16, 2009 / 28 Tishrei 5770

    An ACORN-Friendly, Big Labor-Backing, Tax-and-Spend Radical in GOP Clothing


  387. Jacqlyn Smith


    Nancy // October 18, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Linda: Regarding McDonnell – All eyes are on Virginia’s election next month to see if Dems get voted out. Also, same thing here in NJ. If our Gov. (Corzine), who has had very low ratings, gets re-elected, we’ll know something fishy happened. Afterall, we do have those electronic voting machines, with no paper trail. You know, the ones that can be hacked into within minutes.

    Nancy….I think this is the race where Clinton is coming on Monday…..then Biden and then the FRAUD…..the MSM propaganda machines are working overtime saying Corzine is in the lead and with the support of big wigs like the 3 musketeers I mention above he will pull it out…..What say you……is there a big push to get him out??? Isn’t New Jersey bankrupt??? Why would any thinking citizen there want the same BS to continue under this LIBERAL MORON????

  388. @JJ,

    Trudy // October 18, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Not wise to insult these ‘people here’ as you call us….
    Wiser on your part to go to these links and see if you can make heads or tails out of all the deaths surrounding the Clintons.

    the Clinton Casualties

    the Clinton Body Count

    I just wanted to say thank you for calling her out. I’m not here to insult anyone or criticise their point of view. I only stated my opinion that I have never liked the Clintons. HRC is an Alinsky admirer and supporter and a communist at heart. I don’t think Bill was a good president at all. Everyone has their own opinion. No need to be rude or ugly about it. We are all adults here.

  389. Linda from NY

    BUZZ WORTHY: Doug Hoffman NY-23 on Freedom Radio 8PM EDT Sunday (tonight)


  390. Linda from NY

    More problems…

    Wesley J. Smith: Assisted Suicide Advocates Seek to Euthanize The Rule of Law


  391. Jacqlyn Smith

    More news at Orly’s site…..WTH?????

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  392. I am resubmitting this today as it seems to be in keeping with the general thoughts about a moral compass.

    Obama Politicians Proved Their Moral Turpitude

    We lived in a poor run down and rough neighborhood in Detroit when I was going to grade school. My family seemed to be the poorest of them all. My father was cruel and abusive to me and my mother. Life was very hard and terrifying for me then. School and reading were all I had to hang on. The stories I learned and read about another life of people with outstanding character and vision are all that kept me going. These were the people who made the world a better place because of the finest within them. I knew one day I would find the finest within me and my life would be better.

    Some of the highlights of my childhood experiences were discovering the finest within humanity through the attendance of wonderful concerts of classical music, ballet, and art museums. I could take abuse at home for months after one visit to an art museum. Best of all were the stories of George Washington. Remember why he cut down the cherry tree? Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Abe Lincoln, Patrick Henry, Alexander Hamilton and many others who contributed to the greatness of the American Republic all gave me the courage to aspire to develop the finest within me.

    Though I never reached any place of public significance in my life, I always respected and admired those who did climb to a place of major public trust and influence. My belief was they could never have attained their powerful positions with out outstanding good character and the manifestation of the finest within themselves. In my naïve way, I trusted our elected officials and our government as I am certain most Americans who voted for them did also. I used to think they had to be the best or they wouldn’t have won elections.

    Oh yes, I wasn’t quite so naïve as to be unaware of crooked politicians and dirty dealing. The scandals were plastered in Main Stream Media. The bad guys were caught, exposed and made accountable. Life went on. They were the exception and not the rule—so I thought. It was my mistaken idealistic belief that 95% of our elected politicians were courageous, patriotic, honorable, loyal to their sworn oaths and fiduciary duty to the public, and above all well educated and learned regarding the Constitution, America & world history. I believed they were acting for the highest good of the country above their own political gains. It took me over fifty years to discover how wrong I was. Like a pitcher of ice water thrown over me while in a deep sleep, it took the 2008 election to awaken me to reality. Maybe most Americans are more sophisticated than I am and already knew and accepted what I finally learned, but not dumb optimistic me. That is why when I finally discovered the whole reality of what happened to America during my fifty years of sleeping, I went into a traumatic shock from which I have still not recovered.

    Nancy Pelosi, Hilliary & Bill Clinton, Harry Reid, Obama and the Democrats gleefully shout; “We won! Now you have to do it our way.” If these knuckleheads realized what their statement and their so called win revealed about their inner characters they might not be so willing to shout; “We won!” Everything about this Democratic win is a monument to the bad characters of those who participated in supporting Obama. Obama’s win reveals the foulest within these people.

    This so called win of the Democrats is the most shameful and heinous win in America’s political history. It was a win upon a slippery slope of BLATANT CHEATING. The dregs of humanity (Obama’s campaign managers, friends and funders) orchestrated this win by a show of willingness to commit criminal conspiracies, lies, cheating, rape of our Constitution, voter fraud, harm to others, and riddled with disgrace of every kind. This past election revealed to the whole world how thoroughly the Democrats’ lust for power corrupted them. These bottom of the barrel slimy characters have proven themselves to be so totally lacking in moral turpitude by their actions in this election, they were willing to commit any crime and violate any sacred law or American tradition to reach power. They willingly did commit crimes at the price of their own personal decency and integrity. They willingly announced to the world their lack of moral turpitude. Now anyone can get what he wants from them by “making them an offer they can’t refuse.”

    The Democrats and many Republicans totally under estimated American intelligence. They thought Americans either wouldn’t notice their crimes, not care or simply forget them. In their shameful win, the Democrats and many Republicans continue to commit crimes and violate the US constitution and work towards the destruction of the American Republic.

    Any one of the items listed below would be enough to make a person of decency and integrity sick with guilt from a troubled conscious. It appears not one of the items listed below bothers Obama or the Obama camp. Obama’s campaign advisors, any workers, and any elected politicians who were aware of these items and continued to support him should be worried one day they will have to be made accountable for what they did to America in trade for thirty pieces of silver. The whole world is thoroughly aware of all the items mentioned below:

    1. Obama stole the delegate votes from Hilliary Clinton who should have been the Democratic Nominee to run. (Moral turpitude, ruthlessness)

    2. Obama was never properly vetted to prove he met the three eligibility qualifications to be president. When the ridicules Democrats realized they had a potential winner in Obama, they were so corrupt they didn’t even bother to properly check him out. When they finally realized this was a serious issue, they simply conspired to shove the issue into a closet and conspired with MSM to suppress the story. Nancy Pelosi is the defendant of some law suits accusing her of committing perjury by signing that Obama qualified to be president. (moral turpitude, betrayal, criminal & Constitutional violation)

    3. Obama made clandestine deals with Hillary to get her to support him instead of oppose him (which Hilliary should have done.) Obviously Mrs. Clinton chose career over country. (moral turpitude, betrayal)

    4. Obama violated the election rules and accepted millions of dollars of foreign money to finance his campaign. Not one Democrat seemed to have a problem with that—as long as he won. (moral turpitude & lawlessness)

    5. Obama has a long and exclusive list of nefarious characters with whom he was and is associated—most who belong in jail–Some who are in jail and others who are going to jail. Obama made the real estate deal of the year through some of those suspicious characters. That also didn’t bother one single Democrat whose actions proved that obtaining power was more important that protecting the American People. (moral turpitude & lawlessness)

    6. Obama went to Europe when he was campaigning and tried to supersede Bush’s powers by attempting to make a deal with the government of Iraq to stall the withdrawing of American troops until after he was elected. It is treason for any politician but the president to make deals with foreign governments on behalf of America. That was soon suppressed and forgotten. That also didn’t seem to bother one Democrat as long as Obama could become president. (moral turpitude, lawlessness, treason)

    7. Then the big attack on America came in the form of a Cloward-Piven sabotage of a falsely created economic crisis in America. How convenient for Obama that came just at the time he needed it most to turn the American voter away from McCain to Obama. Not one Democrat seemed to care about the major harm this caused America and the world. (moral turpitude, lawlessness, & intent to harm America)

    8. When Obama was challenged in the judicial system to produce his birth certificate and other records to prove his presidential eligibility, he paid a small fortune to attorneys to buy off judges to dismiss cases on technicalities at he price of our NATIONAL SECURITY. Now America is in the greatest Constitutional and National Security Crisis in her history. Did the Democrats care as long as they could steal power? (moral turpitude, lawlessness, recalcitrance, treason, intent to harm America)

    9. Obama had the gall to pull a cheap shot and produce a forged document calling it his proof he qualifies. What is worse are the number of Senators and Congress people who have actually conspired with this forgery to claim Obama is qualified. These idiots refused to challenge Obama on January 8, 2009 when the electoral votes were counted because they “were afraid they would be laughed out of their careers.” Isn’t it comforting to the trusting American people to know the people they elected to office to work for them placed their careers above our country and our rights. (moral turpitude, disloyalty, breach of duty, ignorance of the Constitution, and conspiracy)

    10. Let us not forget Acorn (about to receive 5.2 billion dollars from Obama’s stinkulus plan) that has been indicted in 15 states for voter fraud. These cases—to the best of my knowledge—are still in the courts today. Another issue Democrats seems to have no concern or embarrassment over. (moral turpitude, conspiracy, lawlessness)

    11. When his opponents posted ads Obama didn’t like he tried to get the DOJ to have them removed. (moral turpitude)

    12. Remember. America is still the greatest country in the world and even the poor have a better life standard than many in other 3rd world countries. Obama through exaggeration and convolution of the truth belittled, berated, and hurt America to persuade the gullible that America is such a terrible country it needed change. His change. (moral turpitude, betrayal, ruthlessness)

    13. Obama is himself a living violation of the US Constitution. He is not qualified to be president. So what does this pillar of society do? Obama perjurers himself by taking the oath of Presidency with Justice Treasonor Roberts. Now there is an imposter and usurper in the Whitehouse aided and abetted by the Supreme Court. (moral turpitude, criminal conspiracy, lawlessness)

    14. Obama created a false image of himself when in went to Germany where he gave free beer and a great rock&roll band to attract a crowd to make it look like the Germans came to see him. There were also other issues about Obama’s visit between him and the German Chancellor. (moral turpitude, conspiracy, lawlessness)

    Now the Democrats are in a great big rush to continue passing laws, bills, directives, plans, and orders to obtain total dictatorial control before Americans actually take them out of office for breach of the US Constitution. What on earth makes these gangsters in congress thing we the people are going to continue turning the cheek in the face of all the slaps the American people have received this past year? What makes these knuckleheads think they are fooling us? Everyday and in everyway, we the people are growing more knowledgeable, stronger, and more determined than ever to take back our country and return it the Republic under rule of law of the Constitution it was designed to be.

    March 1, 2009

  393. usapatriots-shout.com

    Brilliantly written! This addresses my point of a moral compass perfectly (there is none).

    Thanks for posting.

  394. Linda from NY

    USAPatriots -shout.com

    Thank you for this thoughtful commentary.

    Sue K:

    I agree, and this was written in March of 2009!

  395. Linda from NY

    What a shame!

    Pelosi Funnels Federal Money to California District


  396. Linda from NY

    McChrystal, Watch Your Left Flank


    Don’t be shy; tell us what you really think.

  397. Linda from NY

    Nancy: This one’s for you!

    New Jersey Governor’s Staff Caught Cooking the Books?

    by Mark Impomeni 10/16/2009


  398. CIA Involvement With Religious Groups Not a New Charge.

    By Wayne Madsen
    March 10, 2009

    “Accusations that the CIA is involved with various religious movements, including the Nurcilar movement of Pennsylvania-based Turkish moderate Islamist leader Fethullah Gulen…follow a long history of suspicions that the U.S. intelligence agency is deeply involved with some religious movements…”

    Look here for Fethullah Gulen

    Snipped from:

  399. Linda from NY // October 18, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Hi Linda,

    (BTW, snow north of Boston sticking to the grass and rooftops :(. Two months early. Anyone seen Gore lately? )

    I hadn’t seen Therese’s piece before today, but it’s a great article! Too bad that nothing’s changed since March, eh?

  400. “The family that prays together stays together”

    This campaign was harnessed by the CIA between 1958 and 1965 and funded (and to some extent, directed by) in order to combat leftist influence in Latin America.

    An Irish-born Roman Catholic priest, Reverend Father Patrick Peyton, is the founder of the post World War II prayer movement called, “Family Rosary Crusade.”

    Father Peyton made famous the slogans, “The family that prays together stays together,” and “A world at prayer is a world at peace.”

    He would also pioneer in conducting public rallies to bring families to pledge to pray the Rosary as a unit. These series of Rosary rallies attended by millions would become the most significant event where Father Peyton could be best remembered.

    According to historian Hugh Wilford, “Peyton himself was deeply conscious of the political dimension of his mission, proudly proclaiming in a 1946 radio broadcast, ‘The rosary is the offensive weapon that will destroy Communism—the great evil that seeks to destroy the faith'” (The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America [Cambridge and London: Harvard University Press, 2008], p. 187).

  401. SueK–I posted on the new post for you–snow here, too!

  402. Linda from NY

    Sue K: Gore left the planet…or he is hiding out in a cave somewhere with Bin Laden…lately, he’s just as popular…lol

    Snow…you say…beautiful fall day here! Absolutely stunning! Trees no where near “peak” here so we aren’t expecting any snow anytime soon. Maybe, after Thanksgiving, that is, unless that will be canceled, too!

    Maybe, Thanksgiving will be the highlight of this year…if pp is gone! We can hope!

  403. twe // October 18, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Thanks, twe…didn’t see the new post. Must be snowblind.

    Linda from NY // October 18, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Well, at least in a cave you can’t say that ‘global climate change’ affects you!

    We didn’t expect snow today either. Watch the weather guys try to backpedal on Monday…

    **NEW POST**

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