Alan Grayson Town Hall Meeting, Orlando Florida, August 17, 2009, Congressman Alan Grayson, Obama health care, He’s stacked the deck, 30 non supporters allowed in

Here is another example of a so called town hall meeting regarding Obama’s health care bill. This one was in Orlando FL on August 17, 2009.

“Here’ the bottom line: It was stacked against the citizens of the 8th Congressional District. There were 126 seats in the room. They let in 31 people. The rest were stacked with people who were in a previous Democrat meeting. I was embarrassed to be in the room. I’m a Vietnam Veteran, there were World War II veterans in wheelchairs outside who didn’t get in. A lot of Democrats were allowed in, and a lot of pro-Grayson people allowed in the back door. It was (shaking head)… I was ashamed. We thought it was going to be a real Town Hall. It wasn’t. Ninety-five of 126 seats were already taken. Shame on him. Shame on him.
If the Democrats think they are going to benefit from behavior like this, they are going to be sadly mistaken come election day 2010.”

“comments:
Ashley,  August 17, 2009 11:46 PM  
I was outside this town hall, and I believe that it was definitely held under unfair circumstances.

Alan Grayson was able to hold a town hall meeting on short notice, and directly after a meeting (I heard it was a Union meeting, but I could be wrong) of local Democrats. Not to mention the fact that the building only had about 125 seats, in contrast to some 300,000 voters whom Alan Grayson represents.

This seems absolutely ridiculous to me. I can confirm the fact that only about 30 of the ‘regular people’ with tickets got let into the meeting. I watched a few selected people go in through back and side doors, and of course a few of the representatives of the media walk in through the parking lot.

The other few hundred of us were left to wait outside to see if there may be a chance of the door opening one more time to the public. This was supposedly a public meeting, and yet only 30 people from the group outside got let in. If you had been outside the building, you’d have seen that the majority of the people there were protesting the bill. Of course, there were those who were there to provide a counterargument for the protesters, but their numbers were scarce in comparison to the amount of people in opposition to the bill.

However, despite the fact that the protesters were the obvious majority of the attendees, I later read that the majority of the people inside the meeting were actually supporters of Rep. Grayson. How does that work out? The only answer I can think of is that Grayson and company “stacked the deck”, to put it in the words of a protester outside the meeting.

I’m only sixteen years old, but I think I can read enough into this to figure out that something’s not right.”

Read more:

http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/man-on-grayson-town-hall-meeting-we.html

From the Orlando Sentinel:

“The hastily-called meeting was held in a relatively small union hall which limited attendance to about 120 or so members of the public. But it was held just after a regular meeting of local Democrats, some of whom stayed behind for the town hall in the scarce seats.

Outside the union hall, a frustrated crowd of hundreds of people who could not get into the hall waved signs and chanted simultaneously for and against health care.

There were so many different chants that they were unintelligible. At one point, Andy Showen, 49, of Orlando, angry he couldn’t get in, pulled on a side door until police officers stopped him.

“You’re a real hero,” he told an officer. “You just stopped me from talking to my congressman.” ”

“Others were more frustrated.

“I’ve given up,” said Carmen Simeone, a 60-year old general contractor, who opted just to protest outside. “I understand what’s going  on. He’s stacked the deck.””

Read more:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/08/packed-grayson-town-hall-meeting-underway-.html

“Alan Grayson Town Hall Meeting – Orlando, FL – 8.17.09

This is video I shot at Congressman Alan Grayson’s Town Hall Meeting in Orlando, FL on 8/17/09. Mustering every bit of cowardice that he could, the Congressman announced the meeting just 24 hours before it was to take place. It was held at a Union Hall. The hall seats about 125 people. Just prior to the Town Hall meeting there was a Democrat meeting of some kind. Those in attendance remained for the Town Hall, thereby leaving room for only 30 or so other people who had come to attend. So, the room was stacked heavily. Listen to a Vietnam Vet (one of those who got in) describe it.

The mainstream media is reporting that Grayson’s supporters outnumbered protesters, however this is is simply not true. My estimate is that about 20% of the people there were in support, the rest were in protest. Of course, inside the building things weighed in his favor, due to the aforementioned pre-loaded room.”

 

This Town Hall is a Joke
“Alan Grayson – TOWN HALL MEETING
Monday, August 17, 2009
7:45 P.M.
IBEW Local 606 Union Hall
820 Virginia Drive
Orlando, Florida 32803”

 

Congressman Alan Grayson will be added to our new Congress Watch efforts as we evaluate and monitor all in congress prior to the 2010 elections.

Thanks to commenter Patriot Dreamer for the info.

128 responses to “Alan Grayson Town Hall Meeting, Orlando Florida, August 17, 2009, Congressman Alan Grayson, Obama health care, He’s stacked the deck, 30 non supporters allowed in

  1. We need to disguise ourselves as union thugs so we can get into these events. Imagine the look on their faces when someone who looks like a friendly tears into them..

  2. truthbetold11

    These congressman are stacking royal flushes what a shame

  3. It just came on 6 pm news there is a meeting in Stuart, Fl re: healthcare. Meeting was supposed to start at 6 pm which is now. Hundreds, maybe a thousand folks trying to get in-locked out. As of now they don’t know when meeting will start.

  4. TO:
    Greg Goss // August 18, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    We need to disguise ourselves as union thugs so we can get into these events. Imagine the look on their faces when someone who looks like a friendly tears into them..

    =================

    Exactly what I said before. INFILTRATE to INFURIATE. Even better is join their ranks temporarily and then say you are leaving because they are RADICALS.

    We need to organize ACORN and SEIU Protests especially outside the homes of the leadership ACORN/Alinksy style protests to DEMAND they Disband their Criminal Enterprises

  5. Every thing a person obtains via deceipt and theft becomes a monument to his/her own bad character. That is why the wealth and amenities such people collect in their life time brings them neither pleasure nor satisfaction.

    Not only is Obama no class–everything that surrounds him is no class. What makes them think they are fooling the American citizen? Everything Odisgrace and his thugs have touched has turned into a cesspool.

    They are so jaded they don’t even realize we see through them as if we were looking throug plastic.

  6. Though it seems like a great plan, Greg, I don’t think people would be willing to stoop so low to their level in order “impersonate” union thugs just to get in. I’m greatly worried about your rights and freedom, I sure hope you find a way to get him out of office. I’m a Mexican citizen living in my own country watching how this man destroys the most powerful nation that has ever existed. I may not agree with everything American, but I respect your country and strongly hope you guys manage to get it back from the hands of Obama and his minions.

  7. truthbetold11

    How do these people live with themselves! Like i work for obama the most decietful person on the planet.

  8. PRWH— How would we defend ourselves
    when they point a gun or pull a knife at us?
    I have a Swiss Army set, but that’s about it.

  9. PRWH–Remember what BO said to HRC….
    He said if the opponent’s side brought a
    “knife” to the fight, his side would bring a
    “gun.” HRC, the real nominee and not a thug, had no strategy against these LOW LIFE CREEPS.

  10. How about we protest Acorn wearing shirts with a picture of the “Nutcacker” on it?

  11. OT: article on “HRC drinking Kool Aid”…

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/goodwin/index.html

    funny…she’s not been in the vicinity of either Barry or Joe in some time, and yet she seems to have contracted the same “hoof-in-mouth” virus that those two have exhibited…maybe it’s a global-thing after all, eh?

  12. Lil // August 18, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Welcome, Lil, and thank you for your post.

    I think we all feel as you do; we just want our country back.

    Salud!

  13. truthbetold11

    AARP had 60,000 canceled memberships and counting seniors are hopping mad

  14. Lil–gracias por su comentario honesto. Es muy lamentable lo que esta pasando en nuestro pais. Hay que orar mucho que no terminamos en socialismo, o peor, como Alemania en la Segunda Guerra Mundial o algo al estilo. Que la santisima Trinidad nos proteja. Que Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe, patrona de las Americas, intercede por nosotros.

  15. JF–also take witnesses with cameras with you. Should something happen, as much documentation as possible is optimal.

  16. twe –
    Don’t worry about witnesses – all the RI Young Republicans will be there. The grand majority of us are Irish, and we won’t really be in any mood to make nice.

  17. This just in from Carl Swensson!

    <a href="http://riseupforamerica.com/crimeofthecentury.html"<Looks like the fight is on!

  18. citizenwells

    truthbetold11.
    First lesson: AARP loses members.
    Second lesson: Congressmen lose seats.

  19. Dang..South….it IS on!!!!!!!!!

  20. Fly the American flag and show “them” how
    many Patriots are out here against them.
    Flag flying is increasing IMHO all around
    us in this rural area:) YES!!!

  21. The South // August 18, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    sandy // August 18, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    WOO HOO! It’s finally moving! I didn’t see a date on that post, but I assume it’s recent.

    Time to take the gloves off….all of them.

    Thanks for posting, The South; finally, a bit of encouragement. I’m raising a glass of soymilk right now for the cause :).

  22. I visited my sister in Danville Ca, and almost every house was flying the Star Spangled Banner.

  23. Fly your American Flags high, right above your GADSDEN FLAGS. That will tell them where you stand. Right field extremist Militia? How wrong they are! They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

    DON’T TREAD ON ME!!!

  24. I have a question….please advise.

    My son is a Journalist with ABC News and was covering a City Council meeting today (all Democrats on this Council). A Council member proposed a planned attack and disruption of Tea Party Events.

    Question….Is this promoting Civil Unrest by a person in authority?

    My son said they have all this on tape.

  25. Pat Smith,

    It is a Federal Offense covered under U.S. Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 102, § 2101.

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002101—-000-.html

    What they are attempting to do is incite riots.

  26. Drudge: no link yet – Dems plan to go it alone on healthcare! What a surprise.

  27. If this is on tape then, he has evidence that a public official contrived to deprive citizens of their 1st amendment rights to speech, assembly, and petition their government. The public can ask the state or federal court – I recommend federal; one decision ‘could’ help the whole country – to issue an injunction forestalling such conduct as part of a national effort to chill all expression of opposition. To make this case, Plaintiffs can introduce into evidence photographs/memos/videos from meetings around the country, tied into the WH(?), evidencing a pattern or practice.

  28. Pat Smith // August 18, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Well, Pat, I suppose it depends on what he means by ‘attack and disruption.’ The word ‘attack’ seems to suggest civil unrest, doesn’t it?

    I’d like to see them try to disrupt the 9/12 events slated for Washington, D.C. I would hope that someone would get *that* on tape!

    Maybe our legal eagles here have a more thorough answer?

  29. Yep, looks like Carl is taking it to the next level.

    I’m not sure what/who he has on his side to help push these warrants through?

    I guess we’ll see!

    Good luck Carl!!!!!!!!!!

  30. Pat Smith,

    Are “they” ABC news, and if so does your son have a copy?

  31. venice,

    That’s not only illegal, it’s Unconstitutional. It will be appealed and the lower decision will be overturned. The model really lives up to her reputation.

  32. Thanks JeffM.

  33. Thank to allc for responding.

    Yes, this is ABC News and yes, he has a copy.

    I initially advised him to send it to Hannity and then realized it is the property of his Station.

    On another note…my husband sits on 4 Boards of Directors…3 Public, 1 Private. In connection with one of these Boards he has received an Inquiry from the Dept of Defense asking if he holds “dual citizenship”.

  34. http://www.freedomnuts.org/
    Gotta see this!Completely awesome!!!

  35. Pat Smith said:

    “On another note…my husband sits on 4 Boards of Directors…3 Public, 1 Private. In connection with one of these Boards he has received an Inquiry from the Dept of Defense asking if he holds “dual citizenship”.”

    Your husband should have demanded they tell him where they found a copy of his COLB online.

  36. http://acorncracked.com/
    Look into this one also!!!About Acorn!

  37. TO:
    twe // August 18, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Lil–gracias por su comentario honesto. Es muy lamentable lo que esta pasando en nuestro pais. Hay que orar mucho que no terminamos en socialismo, o peor, como Alemania en la Segunda Guerra Mundial o algo al estilo. Que la santisima Trinidad nos proteja. Que Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe, patrona de las Americas, intercede por nosotros.
    =======================
    Come on now a greeting or sentence in a foreign language is nice, but a whole comment especially to someone that to their credit speaks English rather well is really counterproductive especially to others on here that are no poliglots.
    English Please.
    Thanks

  38. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Re-do // August 18, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    OT: article on “HRC drinking Kool Aid”…

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/goodwin/index.html

    funny…she’s not been in the vicinity of either Barry or Joe in some time, and yet she seems to have contracted the same “hoof-in-mouth” virus that those two have exhibited…maybe it’s a global-thing after all, eh?

    ***************************************************

    Re-Do…the last line of the article says it all….they don’t care about the best interest of the country…it’s still about getting GWB!!!
    This is what it says….
    For her and Obama, everything is still about George Bush. Anything he touched is the Dark Ages and they have self-aggrandizingly anointed themselves the Enlightened Ones.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/goodwin/index.html#ixzz0OaWgGAN5

  39. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    What’s being done against constituents in these town hall meetings, is a very bad sign that the current congress had already decided that there will be no elections in 2010. Criminals who act this way, have no intention of allow themselves voted out of office, for if they did, they would be deferential to the voters. Having totally thrown out any spirit of democracy, the democrats seem set squarely upon permanent dictatorship…

  40. CNN,

    You are 110% correct. There will be no more elections. And if there is, they will be staged like many dictatorship elections have in the past.

    Welcome to Berlin, 1934.

  41. Lil: Thanks, from the bottom of our hearts, thanks.

  42. JeffM…THERE YOU ARE! Can you please tell me/us how to best buy platinum???

  43. bho boo,

    I’d recommend:

    http://www.monex.com/prods/platinum.html

    They have some of the lowest prices I’ve seen on .995 Platinum bullion. I bought mine cash locally back in November of last year. So far I’m up 37%. 8)

    Best of all Platinum looks like so many other “worthless” metals so it can be hidden quite easily.

  44. twe — I thought your message en espagnol
    was endearing. I don’t speak Spanish but
    understood most of it as it’s somewhat like
    French. Anyway, I thank Lil for her concern
    and thank you for the post.

  45. JeffM // August 18, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Thanks, Jeff, for the info.

    I have a *very* stupid question (because I’m financially challenged): Exactly what does one do with bullion once one buys it?

  46. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5GCC80&show_article=1

    Former FBI agent, says he was trained by FBI to be an

    Agent Provocateur

    against “Right Wing” groups, so as to cause them to do things to get arrested….

    What is an Agent Provocaeur, and why all of us should BEWARE of FBI infiltration of our forums and pro patriotic groups…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

  47. PF–just trying to go the extra mile…but, yes, here’s the translation (oh and by the way, I don’t always understand all the legalese and technical stuff either; that can be another language, too!! Ha!–obrigado).

    Gracias por su comentario honesto. Es muy lamentable lo que esta pasando en nuestro pais. Hay que orar mucho que no terminamos en socialismo, o peor, como Alemania en la Segunda Guerra Mundial o algo al estilo. Que la santisima Trinidad nos proteja. Que Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe, patrona de las Americas, intercede por nosotros.

    Thank you for your honest commentary. We have to pray much that we don’t end up in socialism, or worse, like Germany in WWII or something of that nature. May the Blessed Trinity protect us. May Our Lady of Guadalupe, patroness of the Americas, intercede for us.

  48. Oops! Forgot the second sentence:
    It’s lamentable what’s going on in our country. (Insert after “Thank you for your honest commentary.”)

  49. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    jbjd,

    Just who would have standing to get such an injunctoin against the rigging of Town Hall meetings?

    Are access to town hall meetings a constitutional right?

    I am not a lawyer, so please explain how access to a seeming discretional activity of a Congressman, could be the basis of seeking an injuction for such access….?

  50. TO:
    twe // August 18, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    PF–just trying to go the extra mile…but, yes, here’s the translation (oh and by the way, I don’t always understand all the legalese and technical stuff either; that can be another language, too!! Ha!–obrigado).
    ============
    Thanks for translation for the benefit of others. NO translation needed for me I can scratch a Lil espanol lingo LOL. Just a thought but maybe she don’t even speak Spanish LOL

  51. Why hasn’t this gone VIRAL?????

    BO, BaWRECK Obamerica, caught carrying a book written by a Muslim Felow about the Times After America. This is a SUPPOSED PRESIDENT reading such garbage:

    STORY can be found here with a Pic if him walking with the book with his finger marking a page. I wonder if he took the cover and inside actually is his ex-lover’s book by Larry Sinclair. Visit and look at the pic and PASS ON:

    LINK it’s about 7 page clicks down: http://riseupforamerica.com/crimeofthecentury.html

    The name of the book, Obama is reading, is

    called The Post-American World, written

    by a fellow muslim.

    Post-America-The world After America ???

    Please forward this picture to everyone

    you know, conservative or liberal to expose

    Obama’s radical ideas and intent for this

    country!

    photo verified by snopes

  52. TO:
    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 18, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    jbjd,

    Just who would have standing to get such an injunctoin against the rigging of Town Hall meetings?

    Are access to town hall meetings a constitutional right?

    I am not a lawyer, so please explain how access to a seeming discretional activity of a Congressman, could be the basis of seeking an injuction for such access….?
    =================
    I think the problem mentioned above was somewhat diff from what you say. During OFFICIAL BUSINESS they discussed Political Conspiracy and Disruptive Actions that would restrict Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly. All this done by elected officials that took an OATH to Uphold the Constitution and Protect People’s rights while being in the duty of their functions in a Public Building. Seems inappropriate and outright illegal.

  53. JeffM, thanks for your response. I still wonder why the DOD is asking if these Board members are dual citizens. One of the Board members was in Clinton’s Cabinet.

  54. PRWH,

    That photo first appeared to my knowledge last summer (July or August) because I remember commenting on this photo on this blog then.

  55. Dick Armey is RIGHT ON:

    […]“Congress in recent years has shown itself to be perfectly capable of being stampeded like a bunch of lemmings off a cliff into making the wrong policy decisions because of their fear of being seen as the guy that did nothing,” Armey says. “That’s how we got things like TARP, the auto bailout and these massive takeovers and spending programs.”

    Armey says that in September or October, in their frustration, the Obama administration ––along with its “auxiliary organizations in the press” –– will “create the illusion that we’ve got a flying flu outbreak that is greater and more dangerous than the bubonic plague, and they’ll stampede these guys into the votes.”

    Armey finds Rahm Emmanuel’s “never let a good crisis go to waste” remark a joke.

    “That cracked me up. One of the things about liberals that amuses me is those kind of moments where they slip and tell the truth. Every now and then when they do that, they give you a moment to remember, and Rahm Emmanuel gave us one there. I’m sure he was severely scolded by all his associates and colleagues, and reminded, ‘Rahm, in our philosophical framework, we don’t tell truths. That’s against the law.’”

    Armey believes that given the agenda of Obama and the liberal leadership of Congress, Republicans stand a good chance at taking back control of the House and at diminishing their disadvantage in the Senate in 2010.

    “I think there’s a very big chance,” he says. “All the electoral cards are stacked against [the Democrats] in 2010. It’s a crucial year for liberty in my estimation because, as you know, in the year 2010 when they conduct the census, you’re going to have the most crooked census in the history of the nation.

    “I’m laughing at these guys. They are going to say, ‘We’re going to use a method called sampling, and they way that works is we put all the congressional district maps on a table and we take a look at the different maps and how we’d like them to be and who we’d like to be in the different districts. Then we’ll decide what the populations will be. And they send ACORN out to do the canvassing.

    “I don’t know what this ACORN outfit is, but I’ve got to tell you, they [have their hands] in everything that comes through Congress these days, and there’s money for ACORN in it. There’s money for ACORN in this healthcare bill. I don’t get it. Saul Alinsky must be a genius –– he made doctors out of all these social activists.”

    See Video: Fomer House Majority Leader Dick Armey talks about the movement to defeat Obamacare – Click Here Now

    © 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

    Read whole story here:
    http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/armey_healthcare_march/2009/08/18/249269.html?s=al&promo_code=85A1-1

  56. TO:
    venice // August 18, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    PRWH,

    That photo first appeared to my knowledge last summer (July or August) because I remember commenting on this photo on this blog then.
    ============

    Thanks,
    First I heard of it it should be big news. He wants to change the consitution and he is reading Muslim books to possibly get new ideas on how to change it.

  57. Now they are trying to set up their government take over/looting plan under another name. They are now claiming “a co op health plan that is run by the ‘membership'” First of al a government takeover of the health care system is a fancy name for socialized medicine. Secondly, sociaized medicine is socialized medicine. By any other name is socialized medicine. Thirdly it sounds an awful lot like the way Home Owner’s Associationa (HOA’s) are run. If any of you have ever been a member of an HOA, you knoow what evil hell it is.

    No compromises. No deals with the devil!

  58. SueK @ 10:04: well…I’ll take a stab at that one:
    make soup and drink it…it’ll colloidalize all them viruseseses…(what’s the plural of virus? vi-rye?)
    and we’ll ‘piss away’ our fortunes…or fill jars with the most valuable pee in the world? they wouldn’t wanna come confiscate those, would they?…it’s all so confusing…trying to resolve so many problems all at once…dang…
    (just kidding, of course…)

  59. Pat Smith said:

    “JeffM, thanks for your response. I still wonder why the DOD is asking if these Board members are dual citizens. One of the Board members was in Clinton’s Cabinet.”

    That’s an excellent question, especially if they are applying for DoD contracts.

    And the answer is simple. What applies to the Military also applies to the commander in chief. One cannot obtain sensitive military contracts because of issues with allegiance. It is near impossible to obtain a security clearance with dual citizenship.

  60. If only I would remember to proof read before I post my blogs. They would not have so many typos in them.

  61. US PATRIOTS SHOUT……………………………..

    After watching the videos I believe more than ever that we are looking a very bad omen in the face, and need to come together in a common bond very soon,because we are very possibly going to become involved very soon in hostilities. We are up against an ENEMY who thinks he is going to live FOREVER, and will be able to rule his fellow man, and otherwise force everyone to kiss their feet. I have some very BAD news for the scum bags who do this; first of all they aren’t going to LIVE FOREVER. Those of us who are still living when the A__HOLES depart will find their monuments which the AHOLES build to themselves, and we will deposite our bodily wastes upon them. Those who think that they can lie to their neighbors, and get away with it need to go back to WW2 history and take a long hard look at what an Italian impeachment looks like. Il Duce was hung standing on his head from a light pole, and people lined up to get a chance to spit on him,or otherwise strike him. He died while strung up from the pole. I can’t help but wonder how many of our alleged politicians will need to recieve the same treatment before they finally realise that Americans have had enough of their slimey behavior.

  62. SueK said:

    “I have a *very* stupid question (because I’m financially challenged): Exactly what does one do with bullion once one buys it?”

    Not a stupid question at all. You put it in a safe place. It is the same thing you do with gold bullion. It’s the most valuable form of precious metals one can hold. Barter and trade if you like. It has no “coin value” because it’s based on purity instead of face value. Whatever the market rate is at the time is what the bullion is worth, minus the trading and other fees of course.

  63. PRWH,

    I stand corrected. It was Oct 17, 2008. This was my comment, which of course would be different now.

    Interesting piece. Few would disagree that heads of state need to forge a new direction for the post modern world. The issue at hand in this election is by whom.

    As the very left, not conservative, and perhaps moderate dems, engage in intellectual discourses regarding the changing face of our planet, politically, environmentally, and culturally, they attain an irritating smugness , confident that they have a deeper understanding than “Joe the Plumber”.

    Focus on issues they say. What well educated person would not? Deliver statistics, data, the never ending mind bending nuance of information, the almost orgasmic state of deep knowledge (remember Chris’ tingle). Its enough to leave poor “Joe the plumber” at the doorstep feeling like he entered another galaxy.

    Yes, these are the latte drinkers. I have known many and have worked with them.

    Unfortunately these are the pseudointellectuals of our time. They have little wisdom. They have lost connection with human experience, favoured by emotional impoverishment, not material.

    They never ask who will take the reins of their nation and guide them with courage, with honour, with wisdom, and with the security of a steady and compassionate hand.

    Leave intellectuality at the doors of your ivy schools.

    Governing requires that, but it requires much much more

  64. PF–I had that same thought…but I like to think Lil does speak the local lingo…a little at least.

    BTW–I also remember seeing that photo before. This, though, seems to be the time when it is coming to the fore. For everything there is a season.

  65. Pat Smith…………………………………..

    You are 100% correct. I contracted with DOD for many years, and assisted many others with DOD contracts.

  66. http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_13154046?nclick_check=1

    Well here’s the article on Dems going it alone on healthcare.

  67. venice,

    That took me to an SSL site with an expired certificate. I would stay away from the article.

    Beside, we already know they were going to attempt this trainwreck because that’s what tyrannical governments do.

    No surprises here. Just wait until we hear all the grinding axes, sharpening of pitchforks, and the cocking of firearms around the nation.

    Pretty unfortunate but that’s what the government wants and that’s what they are going to get.

  68. JeffM,

    I’m not sure understand because my last post is now on the front cover of NYT.

  69. venice,

    The link is to mercurynews.com and it redirects, at least when I click on it. Is this the link you were referring to?:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=1&hp

  70. JeffM,

    Yes, when I saw Zeleny as author I should have gone direct to NYT to post that link.

  71. There are two sacred cows in the U.S:

    1. Guns
    2. Healthcare

    They’re going after #2 now. Watch and witness the baby boomer generation going postal over this.

    However, I predict this pig slop bill will wind its way up to the top and pass with flying colors. By January we will see gun control bills being passed and by February there will be infighting in the streets along with riots and other things we used to see on television happening in nations such as France, Russia, and Iraq.

  72. LaRouche Warns: British Oligarchy, Furious At Obama, Could Go For the
    Kill

    August 17, 2009 (LPAC)—Two major British Sunday newspapers—the Observer
    and the Independent—published black propaganda stories today, claiming
    that the outpouring of opposition to the President’s health care
    “reforms” is coming from a rabid rightwing extremist movement, that
    could attempt to assassinate the President. Lyndon LaRouche promptly
    denounced these British stories, warning that if there is any attempt to
    assassinate the President, it will come from top circles in London, who
    are furious at President Barack Obama, for flubbing the British demands
    to impose fascism on the United States.

  73. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I’ve been told by a friend who is a brit, that in the UK there is the equivalent FOIA statute, and that anyone, even a foreign citizen resident overseas can file a FOIA request…those looking for info on birth at Mombassa in 1961, would contact the Home Office, explicitly stating that the request is made under the UK Freedom of Information Act, and citing the specific kind of information requested.

  74. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kim,

    It is obvious that the NWO folks have as much to gain from Obama as from assasinating Obama. I think too they have to get rid of Biden in that scenario, because Biden does not seem to be a Dictator wannabee…Hilary perhaps, but you need a real devil for that role, and I see no equals in DC to Obama…

  75. Things are looking bad in the windy city. Chicago is officially beyond bankruptcy:

    http://theeprovocateur.blogspot.com/2009/08/will-citizens-of-chicago-rise-up.html

    I’m guessing it will happen in other cities shortly. Not looking good folks. Not good at all.

  76. I hope no assassination ever happens and I have said this many times. BUT if it happens it will be an INSIDE JOB. Once Obama is useless, irrelevant and TINY they will do the deed in a calcualted attempt to make him relevant forever. I say it is TOO LATE he will be a FRAUD FOREVER, a Real ZERO. That has done us a favor by Unwittinggly Exposing Erosionistic Alisnky Marxism and with it the Fraudulently Aquired LIE-beral Majority that will be elminated in a Correction in the next couple of election to NEVER gain power again.

    The Palin Plan will emerge for Conservative Constitutionalist Revival.

  77. Most all LIE-beral governed states and cities will be bankrupt within 12 months. People will rush to Conservative runs states which hopefully will not be infiltrated with Obama Supporting SCUM.

  78. Can’t tell y’all where I read it, but this came from a few sources-somewhere around 30 threats to His Holiness/day-far more than any other President.

    All Presidents receive threats and some are even successful, but the numbers are unprecidented, so they say.

  79. I was at a tea party Saturday and I talked to some LaRouche reps. Very scary stuff. LaRouche says,
    “Right now, the overwhelming majority of states are bankrupt‑‑perhaps as many as 46 or 48 states. Very soon, we are going to have people dying in the streets in various states, if the current Obama‑controlled policies are allowed to go on, past the end of this month. We must put the entire Federal Reserve System through bankruptcy reorganization, return to Glass‑Steagall standards. Protect the necessary commercial banking functions, let the speculators go broke. The very survival of the United States, in the short‑term, is on the table. Right now, 30 percent of our people are unemployed. In 38 states, there are no funds to provide for unemployment insurance. People are going to be dying, in the immediate days and weeks ahead, if we do not get a dramatic change in policy out of the White House.
    It is not too late to act, but we now have days and weeks, not months. If the needed changes have not been enacted before Labor Day 2009, all hell will break loose. So let those in the governing institutions of this country come to their senses. Take the only action that can save this country and the world from disaster. Put the entire Federal Reserve System through bankruptcy reorganization. Protect those commercial banking functions that are vital to our economy. Launch a massive investment in job‑creating high‑technology infrastructure: nuclear power, high‑speed rail and maglev, water management. Rebuild our healthcare infrastructure. Do this through the creation of a National Bank, through the establishment of our Constitutionally‑mandated system of national credit, legislated by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by the President of the United States. The Federal government must issue longterm credits, at 1‑2 percent interest, for these vital infrastructure projects, creating tens of millions of new productive jobs. All of this can be done, under our Federal Constitution, by act of Congress, and by the stroke of the President’s pen.
    I wish we had a President.

  80. Peter Francisco,

    Almost all states and cities are on the verge of collapse. Take a look at this:

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0009.htm

    And that was back in 2007!

  81. Jeff,

    Thanks for the platinum info-I’ll look into it. Time seems to be of the essence..

  82. SueK,

    No problem. Just make sure you don’t sink everything into one item. Diversify. Get a certain percentage of silver for quick barter along with ammunition and supplies. When times get difficult, it will save your bacon, literally.

  83. I would suggest buying a cow and chicken or at least any daily survival supplies that you don’t think you could survive without before investing in any precious metals that won’t feed you or your family or protect your property.

  84. I want to get a generator but it will need gas to run. Am worried about losing a packed fridge…

  85. Jacqlyn Smith

    He’s done it again!!!
    I love this guy!!!

  86. TO:
    Kim // August 19, 2009 at 1:09 am

    I want to get a generator but it will need gas to run. Am worried about losing a packed fridge…
    ================
    I would suggesting getting a diesel generator and get an extra heating oil tank maybe one form someone that converts to gas usually Free because they cost money to get rid of. And have it filled up now 275 Gals will run a generator fo a long time. Be careful with Carbon Monoxide when you run it.

  87. Thanks PRWH. I’ll look into it.

  88. Edwin Viera says for us to not accept defeat and get to work:

    “Why should average Americans presume that their country is lost, and their freedoms and prosperity with it? Are average Americans not smart? Do they not, collectively at least, have as much knowledge and as many skills as—or far more, if the truth be told, than—their oppressors? Are average Americans not rich? Do they not exercise immediate physical control over most of the valuable property in this country? Could they not easily extend that control to all the rest of the property worth controlling? And, as the old saw has it, is not actual possession “nine-tenths of the law”? Are average Americans not powerful? Do not “we” outnumber “them” by orders of magnitude? And does not God favor “the big battalions”? Yes, yes, and once again yes! So the obviously correct course of action is for Americans to stop sniveling and whining about their impotence and vulnerability and instead to set about doing something decisive with the strengths they have.”
    He says we need to:
    1. Identify a State in which a sizeable segment of the population will support—yea, will demand—two measures:
    (a) regaining the Power of the Purse through the introduction of an alternative-currency system based on silver and gold; and
    (b) regaining the Power of the Sword through revitalization of “the Militia of the several States” in that State.

    And then everyone from the other states get behind them!

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3006

  89. Fernley Girl

    j.b. at RosettaSisters posted this link.

  90. zachjonesishome

    Good Morning. I’m taking a short break from blogging. Going to horse-races tomorrow, so I have to get prepared.

    Have a great day! Zach

  91. MY MY….you all posted some great info and GREAT links last night.

    I have been a bit busy lately and it is so nice to be able to count on you all to tie it all up with a bow and bring it here to this one great spot!

    Thanks so much PATRIOTS ….er….um…..I mean extremist mobsters!!

  92. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26240.html

    This story isn’t surprising, but the unrelenting attacks are accelerating soon to seal the fate of this administration.

  93. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kim,

    Such radical methods as LaRouche suggests are not necessary.

    All the Federal Government has to do, is impose strict regulation on speculators, loan companies, banks, and start spending much less than it takes it, so as to pay down the national debt. The cities and states need to do the same, start spending less than then take in, and pay off their debts.

    Those who advocate radical economic reorganization don’t know a thing about economics…

    While I am all for the idea of a gold/silver standard, there is not enough gold and silver in the world to be the money supply of the modern world. Why every day some 65 trillion flows through the currency trading companies of NYC alone….

  94. I am still thinking of Pat Smith and the ABC tape. Is it not a punishable crime if ABC conceals the information? Are they not guilty of conspiracy if they do nothing?

  95. Jacqlyn Smith- Marcus is GREAT. We should replay this at least twice a day.

  96. TO:
    Kim // August 19, 2009 at 2:57 am

    Edwin Viera says for us to not accept defeat and get to work:

    “Why should average Americans presume that their country is lost, and their freedoms and prosperity with it? Are average Americans not smart? Do they not, collectively at least, have as much knowledge and as many skills as—or far more, if the truth be told, than—their oppressors? Are average Americans not rich? Do they not exercise immediate physical control over most of the valuable property in this country? Could they not easily extend that control to all the rest of the property worth controlling? And, as the old saw has it, is not actual possession “nine-tenths of the law”? Are average Americans not powerful? Do not “we” outnumber “them” by orders of magnitude? And does not God favor “the big battalions”? Yes, yes, and once again yes! So the obviously correct course of action is for Americans to stop sniveling and whining about their impotence and vulnerability and instead to set about doing something decisive with the strengths they have.”
    He says we need to:
    1. Identify a State in which a sizeable segment of the population will support—yea, will demand—two measures:
    (a) regaining the Power of the Purse through the introduction of an alternative-currency system based on silver and gold; and
    (b) regaining the Power of the Sword through revitalization of “the Militia of the several States” in that State.

    And then everyone from the other states get behind them!

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=3006
    ====================

    Actually his last name is VIEIRA a fellow Portuguese just like Meredith Vieira.

    Mr. Vieira is right on we need to start organizing for American Survival and bring the country bacn under control of it’s rightfull owners, and respect the Foundings and again take Guidance from the hand of God as it was during the First Revolution so shall it be again it can be a peaceful Revolution like the Portuguese Caranation Revolution or it can be Bloody. That decicion sits with the enemies of the People sitting in USURPED Positions of power.

    I suggest United States of Texas (temporarily) until we can get our country united again under the Constitution.

  97. My Congressman would not hold a town hall meeting so the man running against him for 2010 decided to organize one. It was a great success!
    Great marketing.
    He gave anyone who wanted to speak pro or con on the health care issue the microphone. Many were excellent, they had actually read the bill! The room was packed with overwhelmingly anti-socialist people.
    Here is poll about who you would like to vote for in 2012. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_poll_gop_heavyweight_sarah_palin_would_lose_in_2012_election_against_president_b.html

  98. TO:
    Kim // August 19, 2009 at 2:17 am

    Thanks PRWH. I’ll look into it.
    ========================

    Reason why I suggested Diesel is because it is easier to store, not explosive (not good for Molotoves thougth LOL), can be manufactured (biodiesel), etc.
    Anyone heating with Oil Heat should consider installing a second oil tank…..it’s cheaper when you buy 500 Gal instead of 250 plus if there is rationing and shortages it will last you twice as long.
    Also consider wood stoves, etc.

  99. TO:
    Stephanie // August 19, 2009 at 8:46 am

    My Congressman would not hold a town hall meeting so the man running against him for 2010 decided to organize one. It was a great success!
    Great marketing.
    =========================

    This is a Great idea that needs to be done by all prospective candidates. It is a great way to start organizing. OUr movement should also organize and start our own Town Halls Listening Tour to educate prospective candidates for 2010 and 2012. If we start lining up the ALTERNATIVE it only benefits us and helps the country to listen.

    It’s time to make this movement more ACTIVE and take actions that will give us long term rewards. lets start lining up our Political Powers. For now we will support any new candidate but ONLY endorse those that have similar Consitutional Values as us.

  100. citizenwells

    Stephanie.
    Can you provide more details about the town hall?
    Any video?

  101. TO:
    Stephanie // August 19, 2009 at 8:46 am

    My Congressman would not hold a town hall meeting so the man running against him for 2010 decided to organize one. It was a great success!
    Great marketing.
    He gave anyone who wanted to speak pro or con on the health care issue the microphone. Many were excellent, they had actually read the bill! The room was packed with overwhelmingly anti-socialist people. …
    ==================

    Thanks Stephanie,
    Right now when I Voted Sarah is DEMOLISHING O’Joker 71% to 23% totally pissing on this News Story.

    ACTION CALL:
    Please go there and Vote on the poll right below Sarah’s pic. THANKS.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_poll_gop_heavyweight_sarah_palin_would_lose_in_2012_election_against_president_b.html

  102. From Red State (everyone should sign up for easy updates in your e-mail concise ourline with links of conservative news)
    ——-
    Because I am a big fan and come from a family of donors to the Heritage Foundation, I take no pleasure at all in writing this post. But this must be said.

    The Heritage Foundation, which played a vital part in building conservative support for Romneycare in Massachusetts, is setting the stage for Republican capitulation on healthcare. This is the second time in less than a year that Heritage will have been instrumental in organizing a conservative collapse in opposition to big government. The first time was when Heritage gave conservatives cover to support TARP, calling it “vital and acceptable.”

    Now with healthcare, because Heritage is trying to be “helpful”, confusion is starting to crop up among Republicans in Congress at a very critical time in the healthcare debate. Capitulation and compromise are now on the table using a bastardized version of a Heritage proposal.
    Rest of Story: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/19/dear-senator-mike-enzi-and-heritage-foundation-shut-up/?preview=true

    Also other stories in today’s e-mail:
    1- POTUS talks 90% of the time at TownHells 9 times as much as listening.

    Thank God he is more of a talker than a do-er LOL

    All stories here:
    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/19/morning-briefing-for-august-19-2009/

  103. It would seem that if anybody is going to defeat anybody in 2010,and 2012 we had better start seeing some viable candidates……..soon. I am thinking that there is DEFINITELY going to be a need to dilligently research the backgrounds of ALL who toss their hat in the ring,which will INCLUDE their birth certificates. As near as I can distinguish,there is only a HANDFUL of people who even come close to being QUALIFIED to hold ANY office……..including DOG CATCHER! If we are to see all of the SLIME voted out of office we are going to need one hell of a lot of qualified people to replace them with. This starts with the two numbskulls who presently call themselves our leaders, and extends clear through Congress,and our Federal Courts, and the latter includes the SCOTUS. In the interim we need to somehow fix it so that people like MMMMSSSS. Tunafish PELOSI, JACJASS REID, DODO DURBIN, DUMMY DODD, Big Buck MURTHA, Oh-Oh LEAHY, Stick em up SCHUMMER, etc,etc can never again hold any elected office. Our work is cut out for us.

  104. Healthcare opponents screened out of poll numbers. When is the last time we trusted polls? I know, before Barry.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2319497/posts

  105. oldsalt77.
    Most choices in life come down to
    “choosing between the lesser of evils’
    or
    “going with the devil we know vs the devil we don’t know.”
    It will be crucial that no matter which choice or devil gets in
    that they know we are constantly watching them and expect
    them to work for us.

  106. oldsalt77 // August 19, 2009 at 10:21 am

    It would seem that if anybody is going to defeat anybody in 2010,and 2012 we had better start seeing some viable candidates……..soon.
    ===========

    Need to Organize a Constitutionalist Candidate Vetting Committee. Anyone else agree and have know how to do it?

  107. Portuguese.
    I have begun talking to a few people.
    I believe it is important to collect info on all the town hall meetings,
    eligibility responses, etc and post in one place.
    I will share more on this as it develops.

  108. CW:

    I suggest we start something either here or on the website:
    Organizing for the Constitution
    Which will be a more active hands on forward looking solutions to getting our gov’t back under the rightfull control of We the People.

  109. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    venice // August 19, 2009 at 8:19 am

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26240.html

    This story isn’t surprising, but the unrelenting attacks are accelerating soon to seal the fate of this administration.
    *************************************************************

    I have never liked Axelrod….seems like a SLIME to me….and he looks too much like HITLER!!!

  110. We need to find viable candidates to unseat all the Political Pigs that will not keep their Oath to the Constitution….SO FAR it is ALL OF THEM.
    We have Constitutional Chaos.

  111. Jacqyln- Thank you for the Lloyd Marcus video-this is the second video I saw with him. I just noticed something about him other than politics as opposed to Obama-Lloyd has great innate charm, very articulate, honest and sincere-everything Obama is not. I am a Democrat who did not vote for Obama, I agree with Peter Francisco, we wish Obama a long life in jail. As a Democrat the only question I have is how many would care to join him on the way out the door? Obama is sinking like a stone. Why? Has anyone ever seen the media do a job on the American people like the worship of Obama during the last election cycle? They got carried away on the “historic” thing. I wanted to hear from Hillary, Sarah, John McCain but they were either drowned out or totally ignored. Everything out of Obama’s mouth was some “pearl of wisdom”. What a joke. I grew up in the Chicago suburbs-I do not know why the press did not examine (as they should) the community organizers success story the South Side of Chicago-bombed out Berlin was in better shape before and after Obama did his thing. This is an area where all of the taxpayers money magically disappears federal, state and local. Chicagoans know what that means-it is called lining the politicians pockets. It has been this way forever. Every once in awhile an attempt to clean it up-the graft- but the many headed hydra keeps coming back. Same crime, different players. An intrepid reporter should grab a video camera and film this disaster area for the world to see. It is gang bangers, welfare queens, welfare kings, and every degenerate activity you can imagine. The true horror: honest law abiding citizens don’t stand a chance. Children (small) abandoned by their drugged and drunk parents. I don’t know how many times we saw that on TV or the news. This children had no food, the heat was turned off etc. The follow up report would state something like-parents received $2,000.00 in welfare per month with other benefits-it just went to booze and drugs guns. So sick.
    I don’t know what the Republicans are doing, we Democrats are receiving requests for donations. We are sending ours back with NO money, marked either-usurper, no representation-no money-etc.
    Mine says the Republicans are continuing to obstruct president*Obama’s agenda…defeat 50 vulnerable Democrats…the usual. I say keep up the good work Republicans, many of our conservative Democrats are in this with you and many more to come.
    The Democrats have the easiest out in the world, the birth certificate. If they were smart and patriotic they would go with the Constitution.

  112. Portuguese.
    I am open to a viable solution.

  113. I personally think that we need to get Guilliani,Romney,Huckabee, involved and there are several blacks who come to mind,first and foremost is Alan Keyes. In there own way,I think that ALL of the people have something to offer, and should ALL be asked to participate. These are the people who can provide the GUIDANCE necessary in finding qualified people to run in 2010, and 2012. We NEED people who we can get into the public view….NOW! The voters who are rebounding from their OBOT positions will NOT want to be BURNED again. We need to provide leaders who WON’T burn them.

  114. OldSalt77 @ 10:21: thank you for echoeing (sp?) what I’ve been writing here, too…SOON is not soon enough…I had already moved on to the newest thread to continue to dialog about this, pointing out the huge tabloid ‘attack’, if truly it is as it appears to be, organized against Sarah Palin…a desparate attempt to squash her.

    I’ll reiterate that, from what I’ve been able to discern (thus, my opinion) is that a DeMint/Palin ticket (provided all the crap hasn’t truly dented her) stands the BEST chance of rallying Constitutional Republic-supporters…folks like we’re seeing rise up in these town hall things…who will RUN to their support…leaving the ‘traditional party softies’ caught like a deer in the headlights.
    ————————————————–
    okay…that’s the last post from this old boy on this thread…see ya on the new one…

  115. This is very interesting!

    Is Agent Double 08 in the Oval Office?

    What was on those CD’s and IPOD Obama gave to the Brits???

  116. Jacqlyn Smith

    Michelle // August 19, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Jacqyln- Thank you for the Lloyd Marcus video-this is the second video I saw with him. I just noticed something about him other than politics as opposed to Obama-Lloyd has great innate charm, very articulate, honest and sincere-everything Obama is not.
    ******************************************************

    Michelle….I love his story and his singing abilities…..I was thinking the other day though….you know there are a lot of folks…all races who have such a story to share….it doesn’t just pertain to blacks anymore!!!! Oh well….I’m glad I could share 🙂

  117. oldsalt77 // August 19, 2009 at 10:21 am

    It would seem that if anybody is going to defeat anybody in 2010,and 2012 we had better start seeing some viable candidates……..soon. I am thinking that there is DEFINITELY going to be a need to dilligently research the backgrounds of ALL who toss their hat in the ring,which will INCLUDE their birth certificates. As near as I can distinguish,there is only a HANDFUL of people who even come close to being QUALIFIED to hold ANY office……..including DOG CATCHER! If we are to see all of the SLIME voted out of office we are going to need one hell of a lot of qualified people to replace them with. This starts with the two numbskulls who presently call themselves our leaders, and extends clear through Congress,and our Federal Courts, and the latter includes the SCOTUS. In the interim we need to somehow fix it so that people like MMMMSSSS. Tunafish PELOSI, JACJASS REID, DODO DURBIN, DUMMY DODD, Big Buck MURTHA, Oh-Oh LEAHY, Stick em up SCHUMMER, etc,etc can never again hold any elected office. Our work is cut out for us.

    *******************************************

    Good post, OldSalt77! Yes, the challenges of 2010 and 2012 won’t be a walk in the park sir; however, it’s folks like yourself and the fellow commentators here and elsewhere espousing patriotism and promoting the true vision of the Founding Fathers offers a sense of hope. Please don’t sell yourself short, OldSalt77, as you and others can throw your hats into the political ring and do the Founding Father’s proud.

    Yes, admittedly, Obama makes pretty speeches, but come 2010 and 2012 let’s hope that speaking truth trumps his flair for fluff.

  118. Oldsalt77

    I see the future, and brother it is murder!

    I have a hunch you and I come from the same type of cultural back ground and have no problem getting on the same page. I agree about the politicians. I have been shouting for months that every one of them needs to be terminated from their jobs and replaced with fresh non corrupt blood. Limit their terms.

    Among the criteria politicans should have prior to being placed on the ballot are:

    No prior arrest or criminal record of any kind

    A thorough knowledge of the Constitution and be tested on that knowledge.

    Absolutely no connection with nefarious or other types of suspicious characters who buy politicians for their own benefit and agenda.

    Moral turpitude. To date I can name only two politicians with moral turptidue–Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman.

    High personal integrity and outstanding strength of character.

    Said person should also be educated and very knowedgable in the differences of socialism, facism, communism, dictaroship, republic, democracy. and all other forms of government.
    (AS unbelievable as it seems, the words communism, socialism, facism or distatorhsip are not bad words to the young generation. They truly do not understand what they mean. I hears one idiot radio talk show host say: “So what’s wrong with communism if I can keep my house and my job?”

    The candidate must not be a member of the following: Tri-latera, Illuminati, Bilderberger, or any other NWO groups and schemes.

    The protection of Capitalism must be a basic belief along with placing America first and making certain every action is to first protect America.

    It makes no difference what race the politican is but because Muslims have repeatedly proven their religion requrires them to age jihad against infidels–Muslims can not be permitted to become part of our government.

    I insist any politician who will get my vote must demand Obama stand up or step down.

    By bringing in fresh and perhaps somewhat idealistic politicians into government, America we have a great chance to heal and restore itself to a republic under the constitution because these people will not have a track record of years of under the table deals with crooks.

    If we could all agree on these–which I know–many will not, we would have a chance to clean up America and make it the leading country of the world again.

  119. Jeff M: Obama has Cloward Pivened the USA by bankrupting her, overextending the military into his own Obamanam and has built in failures with Embalmacare.
    Thanks for the platinum info.

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