Obama GA ballot challenge administrative court January 26, 2012, Atlanta Georgia, Judge Michael Malihi denied Obama motion to dismiss, Natural born citizen ruling

Obama GA ballot challenge administrative court January 26, 2012, Atlanta Georgia, Judge Michael Malihi denied Obama motion to dismiss, Natural born citizen ruling

“Why did Obama, prior to occupying the White House, employ Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie, to assist him in avoiding the presentation of a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells

“Why has Obama, since taking the White House, used Justice Department Attorneys, at taxpayer expense,  to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells


“Why is Obama now employing private attorneys to keep his name on state ballots, despite compelling evidence that he is not a natural born citizen?…Citizen Wells

My hat is off once again to to Sharon Rondeau and the Post & Email for their efforts to report the news that counts.

From The Post & Email January 7, 2012.

“Atty. Van Irion Discusses Georgia Ballot Challenge and the Constitution”

“Constitutional attorney Van Irion, who is also founder of the Liberty Legal Foundation, spoke with The Post & Email regarding the ballot challenge he has filed on behalf of his client, David Welden, which claims that Barack Hussein Obama is not constitutionally eligible to serve as president.
The interview was completed one day before Judge Michael Malihi denied a Motion to Dismiss filed by Obama’s attorney, Michael Jablonski.
Welden had originally filed the challenge pro se and Irion later agreed to represent him. The hearing is scheduled for 9:00 a.m. on January 26, 2012 at the Justice Center Building located at 160 Pryor Street, Atlanta, in courtroom G40. Irion’s case is the first of three cases expected to be heard that day.

On January 3, 2012, Judge Michael Malihi affirmed that Georgia statute 21-2-5(s) gave registered voters standing to challenge the eligibility of a candidate for state or federal office. In response to the judge’s decision, Irion stated on his foundation website, “Hopefully the Georgia court will set the groundwork for victories across the country. If any court rules that Obama is not Constitutionally qualified to hold the office of President, it will be a major victory and should make international news.“

Irion had also requested that his case be separated from those of Atty. Orly Taitz and Atty. J. Mark Hatfield, which the judge granted. Hatfield, also a Georgia state representative, is acting as counsel to two Georgia voters whose case has received television coverage.
We asked Irion what kind of action he has filed, and he responded: “I represent one person in an administrative action very specific to Georgia state law. We’re actually not going to a civil court. It’s an administrative court specifically set up by Georgia statute, and the entire purpose of the court is to advise the Secretary of State. I’m going to be starting by saying, ‘We recognize that your main purpose for being here is to be able to advise the Secretary of State on the facts and the law.’ Ultimately, regardless of what the court does, either side can appeal to a law court in Georgia, and that’s certainly what’s going to happen regardless of who wins.”

Irion continued:

Liberty Legal got involved after David Welden, who is our client, filed the challenge himself. Georgia law allows for any voter who is qualified to vote for a candidate to challenge the constitutional and statutory qualifications of that particular candidate. He and a handful of others did that. There’s a very short period of time: two weeks after the candidate qualifies with the Secretary of State. He did that, and after that, he contacted me. He based his complaint largely on Liberty Legal’s complaint in our Certification lawsuit in Arizona. He looked at our complaints and used a lot of the same language and citations. He didn’t ask us for our help right off the bat, and he didn’t expect our help, which was important to us, because he did it right, following Georgia code the way it needed to be done; and also, he came to us with a very gracious attitude of “I’m doing this because I think it’s the right thing to do. I don’t expect your help, but if you can, if you’d like to, I wouldn’t mind talking with you about this.” So we ended up having several conversations and at the end of the day, we said, “Hey, I think we can help you.” So that’s how we ended up representing David Welden.

David Welden and Liberty Legal are going first on the 26th. Atty. Orly Taitz will be there representing other plaintiffs, and there are other plaintiffs who may not have attorneys. I hope that we both win.

The reason we are going first and being heard separately is that I plan on calling one witness — my client, David Welden. I plan on asking him three questions; that’s it, we’re done, and making one argument. The presentation of evidence and testimony will take 15 minutes or less. We’ll probably argue the law for quite some time after that, but that’s the whole point. That’s the way I do law: I generally try to find the clearest, easiest-to-understand argument that I can support, and that’s what we present. If it doesn’t work, I rarely argue alternatives. Most lawyers do that habitually; there’s good reason for it; I understand why, but I also think it’s become very ineffective because courts have become numb to multiple alternative arguments.

The Post & Email asked, “What is your argument?”

Here it is: Barack Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court, in Minor v. Happersett, defined “natural born Citizen” under the Constitution as “being born in this country with both parents being U.S. citizens at the time the candidate was born.” That’s “natural born Citizen;” that’s the Supreme Court’s definition; it’s never been overturned or challenged or questioned; therefore, Barack Obama is not qualified to be president by his own admission. Here’s the thing: the defense still has not addressed that substantive argument. They throw up all kinds of procedural arguments; they throw up all kinds of interpretations of Georgia code that don’t allow us to get to our argument. But at the end of the day, there’s one thing that’s very simple: Georgia code is very clear such that even if my client doesn’t have standing to raise this, even if no voter has standing, the Secretary of State, according to one specific code, “shall determine the qualifications of the candidate before the election.” It’s one sentence. It does not give them any option to not do it. And they can, at any time before the election, look into those qualifications. So if this court decides that David Welden doesn’t have the ability to raise this because of the procedural arguments brought up by the defendant, this court’s purpose is only to advise the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of State absolutely has to address, by law, the substantive qualifications of this candidate. “So even if you find that you have to dismiss our case, you still have to tell the Secretary of State what to do with this argument wherein the Supreme Court has defined the term “natural born Citizen,” and Barack Obama has repeatedly admitted that he doesn’t meet those qualifications. You can’t avoid the substantive issue even if you rule against us on a procedural matter.”

“Is there a way that the judge could declare that having one citizen parent is enough to qualify a person as a ‘natural born Citizen?’”

Let me answer your question with a truism: a judge can do anything he wants. They are the final arbiters of what’s right and wrong. The fact that a higher court can overturn them is always there. It’s also true that that usually doesn’t happen. No matter how many levels of appeal you have, getting a higher court to overturn a lower court is always an unlikely outcome in any appeal. It’s difficult. They do it only when the lower court has made a glaring error or they philosophically completely disagree with the judge who happens to be sitting in the lower court.

The good news is that Judge Michael Malihi was the first judge anywhere to actually issue a subpoena to the Hawaii Department of Health to a) show up and be questioned, and b) have the original written birth certificate with you or a darn good explanation why you don’t, and the microfilm. This is a judge who understands that he has some authority here, and the court has the authority to force documents and witnesses to show up, and he’s doing it. Just that fact made me think, “We might actually get a fair hearing here.””

Read more:

http://www.thepostemail.com/2012/01/07/atty-van-irion-discusses-georgia-ballot-challenge-and-the-constitution/

 

49 responses to “Obama GA ballot challenge administrative court January 26, 2012, Atlanta Georgia, Judge Michael Malihi denied Obama motion to dismiss, Natural born citizen ruling

  1. “OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DEFENDS HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL IN FIRST SUPREME COURT BRIEF”

    By Lee Ross
    January 6, 2012
    FoxNews.com

    “WASHINGTON – Arguing that President Obama’s health care law was designed to fix an intractable national problem of exploding costs during a crisis, the administration submitted its opening brief to the Supreme Court Friday defending the law as both necessary and constitutional.

    The 63-page brief is the first salvo in one of four cases accepted by the high court challenging the controversial health care law. Those cases will be heard in March. This filing is specifically focused on the suit challenging the law’s so-called INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, OR REQUIREMENT TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.

    Critics of the law, including the 11th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals which struck it down, contend the Affordable Care Act goes too far in forcing Americans to obtain insurance or face a financial penalty.

    The government continued to argue that the law is permissible under the Constitution’s Commerce Clause allowing the feds to regulate economic activity in the states. “As Congress found, the minimum coverage provision is thus necessary to achieve Congress’s concededly valid objective of reforming the interstate market in health insurance,” wrote Solicitor General Don Verrilli.

    Those reforms include forcing insurance providers to relax their coverage standards and ultimately make their coverage more affordable. WITHOUT THE PREMIUMS COMING IN FROM ALL PEOPLE NOW FORCED INTO THE SYSTEM, THE LAW COLLAPSES. “THE [INDIVIDUAL MANDATE] MINIMUM COVERAGE PROVISION IS KEY TO THE VIABILITY OF THE ACT,” Verrilli said, calling the law’s focus on the insurance aspect of health care eminently reasonable.

    A fundamental question before the court is whether this law, or any, can force Americans to buy something or face a penalty. Opponents say that’s a step too far for the government to take. In this instance, they say the government can’t force Americans who choose not to buy health insurance into paying for coverage.

    In separate briefs, Florida and 25 other states urged the Supreme Court to throw out the entire health care law if the individual mandate is struck down. Dozens of GOP senators also filed a brief critical of the law.

    […]

    “ANOTHER ISSUE BEFORE THE COURT IN THIS CASE IS HOW TO PUNISH PEOPLE WHO DON’T OBTAIN INSURANCE. THE LAW SAYS PEOPLE ARE TO BE PENALIZED FOR NON-PARTICIPATION. OPPONENTS SAY THERE IS NO [LEGAL] JUSTIFICATION FOR SUCH A [PUNISHMENT] PENALTY. [OPPONENTS] WONDER HOW ELSE COULD THE GOVERNMENT PUNISH CITIZENS, BE IT FOR NOT EATING A CERTAIN VEGETABLE OR ANY NUMBER OF NON-ACTIONS.”

    Read More Here:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/06/obama-administration-makes-health-care-overhaul-case-to-supreme-court/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews

  2. I personally suggest that everybody pray like never before, but just don’t hold your breath. At the moment Judge Malihi seems to be straight up. I am wondering though what he will do after the WH makes threats against him. He might find HIMSELF between a rock and a hard place. At that point we will learn the truth about him. I would say there is a 50-50 chance. Again…..I am not holding my breath! If Judge Malihi remains receptive, and asks for all evidence anyone would then realise that he has just told the WH to go straight to hell, and at that point he will be committed.

  3. Starla……………….
    It is clear that the Healthcare laws are founded upon LUNACY. Even I can see that. When you attempt to force people to eat, sleep,and breath by Federal doctrine you have created the Marxist state. If any court actions are unsuccessful it is clear that 2012 will be the year in which the US will NO LONGER EXIST as a free country. Yet the YUPPIE MORONS among us still support Soetoro with everything they can muster. Sadly it is THEY who have the MOST to lose. Talk about jackasses!

  4. http://malaysia.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120108131056AAp0mJ3

    “On Yahoo Asks”, Daisy asks if Barack Obama perjured himself in the investigation of Rod Blagojevich’s selling of the Senate seat..It looks like nobody knows for sure.

  5. Can this be the straw that broke the camel’s (usurper’s) back?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-recess-appointments-are-unconstitutional/2012/01/05/gIQAnWRfdP_story.html

    From the Washington Post…………..

    Obama’s recess appointments are unconstitutional

    By Edwin Meese III and Todd Gaziano, Published: January 5

    Edwin Meese, who served as U.S. attorney general under President Ronald Reagan, is chairman of the Center for Legal & Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation. Todd Gaziano worked in the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel under three previous presidents and is director of Heritage’s Center for Legal & Judicial Studies.

    President Obama’s attempt to unilaterally appoint three people to seats on the National Labor Relations Board and Richard Cordray to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (after the Senate blocked action on his nomination) is more than an unconstitutional attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role. It is a breathtaking violation of the separation of powers and the duty of comity that the executive owes to Congress.

    Yes, some prior recess appointments have been politically unpopular, and a few have even raised legal questions. But never before has a president purported to make a “recess” appointment when the Senate is demonstrably not in recess. That is a constitutional abuse of a high order……..

  6. “IRAN OFFERS TO SHARE NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY WITH AFRICA”

    Published January 07, 2012
    Associated Press

    “TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s nuclear chief says his country is willing to help what he called “friendly” African nations that have uranium reserves to set up facilities to process the ore into nuclear material.

    Fereidoun Abbasi says Iran has mastered the entire nuclear fuel cycle from extracting uranium ore to producing fuel for reactors and is ready to share the technology.”

    Read More Here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/07/iran-offers-to-share-nuke-technology-with-africa/?test=latestnews#ixzz1iuE1T8FZ

    * * * *

    “SAVAGE: ‘DICTATOR’ OBAMA ‘COMING OUT OF HIS CHRYSALIS'”

    Michael Savage
    January 7, 2012

    “We’re watching a dictatorship emerging now where he is literally coming out of his chrysalis and showing his true nature,” Savage told his listeners last night.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/savage-dictator-obama-coming-out-of-his-chrysalis/

    * * * *

    “CHURCH BOMBINGS RE DECLARATION OF WAR, SAY NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS”

    “Head of Christian group criticises Muslim leaders and government for failing to intervene after series of deadly attacks”

    David Smith in Johannesburg
    guardian.co.uk,
    Thursday 29 December 2011

    “A car burns outside a Catholic church on the outskirts of Abuja after a bomb attack on Christmas Day.”

    “Christian leaders in Nigeria have accused Muslims of making a “declaration of war” after a series of fatal attacks, raising fears of sectarian conflict.

    “Islamist [Muslims] targeted [Christian] churches in a series of explosions on Christmas Day, leaving more than 40 people dead and dozens wounded. On Tuesday a Christian couple and their one-year-old baby were shot dead.

    At a meeting with the president, Goodluck Jonathan, on Wednesday, Ayo Oritsejafor, head of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), an umbrella group for all [Christian] denominations, said Christians had become victims of “ISLAMIC JIHAD.”

    “It is considered as a declaration of war on Christians and Nigeria as an entity,” Oritsejafor said. He did not want to encourage acts of revenge, he said, but “Christians should protect themselves … in any way they can”.

    Oritsejafor criticised Muslim leaders and the government for failing to intervene. “CAN has found the responses of … Islamic bodies on this matter to be unacceptable and an abdication of their responsibilities. The Christian community is fast losing confidence in the government’s ability to protect our rights,” he said.”

    Read More Here:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/29/church-bombings-nigerian-christians?intcmp=239

  7. To the people who will be voting in 2012. While the election is still many months off you might feel that you won’t think about it until the moment that you are going to press the button. At that point you will have been successfully steered by the LIBERAL LEFT. It is absolutely imperative that you do a GREAT DEAL OF THINKING long before voting day arrives. We are fighting a criminal enterprise that makes Chicago crime look like the handiwork of children at recess time. We are fighting a BEAST that has a MILLION tentacles,and each one is deep into one aspect or another of our personal lives,and our rights, as citizens of the US. Each tentacxle is slowly sucking up our sustenance, after which those of us who survive will be hollow and empty shells. We will have NOTHING, except a CHAVEZ GOVERNMENT (dictatorship). Watch for it, because as long as nobody fights back it will be at your doorstep very soon. If it becomes a Castro type government then look for your home to be confiscated as well. It will be GIVEN to some of HER EXCELLENCIE’s friends.n You know,………..the slimey ,odorous, halfwits who call themselves OCCUPY.

  8. ……………Everything else is being GIVEN to them,including Healthcare at YOUR expense, along with millions each day in the way of FREE HANDOUTS……..again AT YOUR EXPENSE. The SLIME of our so called Society, are enjoying their FREE living. As I said earlier,if WE THE PEOPLE keep sitting on our duffs, thinking UP is DOWN then watchout, because you might find yourself being forcibly evicted from your PAID FOR homes. That is JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

  9. Bob Strauss…………..
    If you are out there will you look and see if you can see a comment from me at 4:51 PM today. Thanx I am not sure if CW is responsible for this moderation or not.

  10. I have read that 26 states have filed actions against the Healthcare act. Doesn’t it look as though we have a percentage somewhat greater than 50 %of the states? I think that this could easily be taken an additional 12 states. This would constitute the level of majority necessary for Constitutional amendment (75%). All these states need to do is to amend the Commerce Clause specifically to prohibit it’s use in mandates against private citizens.

  11. The next time you get one of those political emails asking for a contribution to a campaign, I suggest you reply with a few choice words explaining your disgust that we have a socialist fraud in the White House who is totally disregarding the Constitution. Tell them that our elected officials in Congress are a bunch of spineless do-nothing cowards who sit idly by while our country goes to hell in a hand basket. Tell them that they will not get one red cent from you as long as this administration remains in the White House. You may want to give them your list of Obama’s impeachable offenses, or send one of these lists………

    From the White House to the Big House: 25 Impeachable Crimes and Counting
    http://itmakessenseblog.com/2012/01/03/from-the-white-house-to-the-big-house-25-impeachable-crimes-and-counting/

    PRESS RELEASE: Presidential Candidate Terry Jones Calls for Obama’s Impeachment
    http://www.standupamericanow.org/press-release/2012/01/press-release-presidential-candidate-terry-jones-calls-for-obamas-impeachment

    On second thought, don’t wait for a plea for money. Write your Senators and Representatives right now. Please do it for our country. Do it for your children and grandchildren. Congressional action is the only way to stop him. Here is contact info if you need it………

    http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt?action=myreps&myzip=10000&submit=GO
    (At this site your comments can also be posted to the Congress.org website for all to see.)

  12. By amending the Commerce Clause take the decision out of the hands of a criminally complicit court environment,and give the decision making to the states where it should be anyway.

  13. Old Salt, I do not see a comment from 4:51 just your latest one at 5:20. Thank you for all of your posts. I agree that prayer for Judge Malihi is essential. we have a chance though I am not holding my breath. As conservatives we will have these last few months to inform others of the media bias. As news is presented it is up to us to be as knowledgeable as possible so that we can discern the truth and alert others. God help us all.

  14. Jonah ………….
    Will you look and see if my 4:51PM comment is showing on your screen? Thanx please get back to me. You have my email, or you can put it on CW….whichever is easiest.

  15. CW………….
    I am asking if you will kindly remove the MODERATION of my comment @ 4:51PM. This comment might seem controversial to you but in short it is intended to inspire people to get off their DUFFS and be productive.

  16. citizenwells

    oldsalt.
    I did not put your comment in moderation.

  17. hrmfc………………..
    I for the last year have been in contact with many VFW (commands), and they too are taking up the issues at hand. As you might know the VFW is a National entity,and has posts throughout the US. If you have any VFW connections I would ask if you can contact the head honchos and see if you can talk to them. I admit that while I have been successful with most of the posts that I have tried to talk with several have declined the invitation. We need to get as many as possible on board.

  18. From one of Lori Stacey’s articles in DC Conservative Examiner, posted by Starla on prior thread:
    (quote)
    While Rick Santorum was in the US Senate, he actually did have a couple of accomplishments worth noting. He managed to make CREW’s (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) list of “Most Corrupt Members of Congress” for both 2005 and 2006. In 2005, there were only 3 Senators that earned this dubious destinction so you might say that Rick Santorum actually was at some point really in the Top-tier.”
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    I say,
    We ought to know more about CREW:
    From Wikipedia:
    CREW has been described by major media organizations, including the Washington Post and New York Times, as a liberal watchdog group and by others as Democratic-leaning, left-leaning and progressive.

    Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington was founded in 2003 to expose, deter and litigate legal and ethical wrongdoing by members of Congress. The idea for the organization originated in part with co-founder Norman Eisen, as a counter-weight to conservative watchdog groups like Judicial Watch.

    Guess who CREW included as “Most Corrupt 2010”? Among others, Marco Rubio (R-FL),Allen West (r-FL), J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), who was defeated by RINO McCain.
    Where is Rep. Rangel (D-NY) and a number of other crooked Dems?

    The founder and present director is Melanie Sloan. Prior to founding CREW in 2003, she at one time worked for Congressional Democrats, John Conyers, Charles Schumer, and Joseph Biden. She is not exactly unbiased against Repubs.

    Then-U. S. Senator Hillary Clinton and her associates played a role in the early stages of CREW’s history. A key staffer to Clinton, Jodi Sakol, attended brainstorming sessions that established CREW.[20] Sakol made Clinton aware of CREW’s need for “Democratic progressive money.” Mark Penn, Clinton’s pollster and chief strategist, became a director and vice president at CREW.

    Moral: Think twice before you believe CREW’s “facts” as being fair and impartial.

  19. Thanx CW. That PROVES to me that we have sustained invasion into our computer systems. I for one know exactrly what to do about it and it will be happening Monday AM. Thanx again CW. You have confirmed something which I have suspected for some time. I advise everybody to get a anti spyware ability put into your computer…….very soon. But have it cleaned out PROFESSIONALLY FIRST.

  20. CW…………..
    You will notice that this is happening to anyone who is outspoken against the crap from the WH. There is a definite pattern. Now it is time to act to boot them out of our hard drives, and keep them form returning.

  21. oldsalt79 | January 8, 2012 at 4:55 pm |

    Bob Strauss…………..
    If you are out there will you look and see if you can see a comment from me at 4:51 PM today. Thanx I am not sure if CW is responsible for this moderation or not.
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    oldsalt79, yes it is on my screen, but it has been a while since you posted.

  22. oldsalt79 It really ruins your message when the post shows up hours after the subject matter has changed, and people have to go back thru the posts from earlier in the day.

    I am going to post one from yesterday that got me put in the dog house, I want to see what happens.

  23. ‘Where Have All The Leaders Gone?’.

    Lee Iacocca Says:
    ‘Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We’ve got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer our ship of state right over a cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even run a ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing
    $26 billion of the taxpayers’ money, much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, ‘trust me, the economy is getting better…’
    Better? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned ‘Titanic’. I’ll give you a sound bite: ‘Throw all the Democrats out, along with Obama!’

    You might think I’m getting senile, that I’ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore..

    The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.. While we’re fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving ‘pom-poms’ instead of asking hard questions. That’s not the promise of the ‘ America ‘ my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I’ve had enough. How about you?

    I’ll go a step further. You can’t call yourself a patriot if you’re not outraged. This is a fight I’m ready and willing to have. The Biggest ‘C’ is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C’s of leadership, with crisis being the first.)

    Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It’s easy to sit there with thumb up your ass and talk theory. Or send someone else’s kids off to war when you’ve never seen a battlefield yourself. It’s another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

    On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here’s where we stand..

    We’re immersed in a bloody war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving.. But our soldiers are dying daily.

    We’re running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and it’s getting worse every day!

    We’ve lost the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.

    Gas prices are going to skyrock again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.

    Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers’ union.

    Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegal’s amnesty and free healthcare.

    The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.

    These are times that cry out for leadership.

    But when you look around, you’ve got to ask: ‘Where have all the leaders gone?’ Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point..

    Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?

    We’ve spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened..

    Everyone’s hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government will make it better for them. Now, that’s just crazy… Deal with life.

    Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when ‘The Big Three’ referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!

    Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

    I have news for the Chicago gangsters in Congress. We didn’t elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don’t you guys show some spine for a change?

    Had Enough? Hey, I’m not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I’m trying to light a fire. I’m speaking out because I have hope – I believe in America .. In my lifetime, I’ve had the privilege of living through some of America ‘s greatest moments. I’ve also experienced some of our worst crises: The ‘Great Depression,’ ‘World War II,’ the ‘Korean War,’ the ‘Kennedy Assassination,’ the ‘Vietnam War,’ the 1970′s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years since 9/11.

    Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It’s our country, folks, and it’s our future.
    Our future is at stake!!

  24. bob strauss | January 8, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    ‘Where Have All The Leaders Gone?’.
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    Just as I thought, lets see how long it takes for this to show up?

  25. Bob Strauss……………….
    There are several ways that keyed spyware can be put into your computer. I am not up on the technical explanations so I won’t try. But I do know what to do about it. Thanks to a nephew who operates a computer dealership,and was also at one time a programmer at the old SAC, and learned it HANDS on. They also taught computer counter infiltration. He says there are several ways to keep spyware out of your computer. Any good tech knows ALL of them these days. Bob have your system VACUUMED for spyware.

  26. Bob Strauss……………..
    I forgot to tell you one of the most popular ways to get info out of your computer is via a KEYLOGGER. If you use a tech to clean it up,tell him that you need to see if a keylogger has been put in to your system. It can also be utilised to make you think you are in moderation. Just wanted to get this to you before I shut down for the night.

  27. oldsalt,
    Your 4:51 comment was not up when I posted my comment at 5:23 but it is there now.. I see no reason why it was put in moderation.

    I am surprised that my comment wasn’t in moderation. I strongly urged patriots to write Congress about impeaching Obama.

  28. oldsalt79 | January 8, 2012 at 6:45 pm |

    Bob Strauss……………….
    There are several ways that keyed spyware can be put into your computer. I am not up on the technical explanations so I won’t try. But I do know what to do about it. Thanks to a nephew who operates a computer dealership,and was also at one time a programmer at the old SAC, and learned it HANDS on. They also taught computer counter infiltration. He says there are several ways to keep spyware out of your computer. Any good tech knows ALL of them these days. Bob have your system VACUUMED for spyware.
    ***********************************
    Thanks OldSalt79, I will get my nephew to assist me in getting rid of the bug.

  29. 7:11 pm —

    “I forgot to tell you one of the most popular ways to get info out of your computer is via a KEYLOGGER.”
    ———-
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  30. Frustrated in FL

    Can some one PLEASE give us the dates of the comments
    posted above by Lee Iacocca. I am encouraged IF they
    are current…otherwise this info doesn’t help at all???????????

    GO ROGUE….NOMINATE SARAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. My post shows now at 6:19pm.

    I just ran a system scan on my system that repaired a bunch of errors, we’ll see if that helps. I obviously need to do that more often.

  32. Frustrated in Florida.
    We can not afford to divide the vote. That would be a guaranteed win for Mr. Soetero. I wish we had an ideal candidate but we do not at this time. We do however know exactly who we must oppose and in that cause we must unify.
    Old Salt,
    My husband is a veteran but not a member of the VFW. Every veteran and active duty member that I know is against Mr. soetero.

  33. Frustrated in FL | January 8, 2012 at 7:53 pm |

    Can some one PLEASE give us the dates of the comments
    posted above by Lee Iacocca. I am encouraged IF they
    are current…otherwise this info doesn’t help at all???????????
    *******************************************
    Based on what he is talking about it sounds fairly recent, I will check on You Tube.

    I found this on the email I was sent; No virus found in this message.
    Checked by AVG – http://www.avg.com
    Version: 2012.0.1796 / Virus Database: 2082/4494 – Release Date:
    09/13/11

  34. Frustrated in FL | January 8, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    Can some one PLEASE give us the dates of the comments
    posted above by Lee Iacocca. I am encouraged IF they
    are current…otherwise this info doesn’t help at all???????????
    ***************************
    I remember reading a version of this article by Lee Iacocca a couple of years ago and just now googled in “Lee Iacocca letter”. You will find evidence that this has been around in one version or another for several years.

    I don’t have the time to thoroughly investigate this, but it has been stated that it has been tweaked to refer specifically to Obama and the Dems in a way different from the original version. So you might want to check it out yourself. The original article has been authenticated to have been written by him.

  35. Will Republicans Commit Romney-cide?
    by Don Feder 01/08/2012

    http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df010812.html
    (quote)
        Since 1976, every time the GOP has run a RINO for president, the party has suffered an ignominious defeat – against a peanut farmer in ’76, a serial lecher in ’92 and a Marxist in 2008.
    (snip)
    •  Interviewed on The O’Reilly Factor, also in December — and following the establishment Republican don’t-say-mean-things-about-our-first-black-president guidelines — Romney couldn’t bring himself to call Mr. Class Warfare a socialist. After constant prodding by the host, the ex-governor finally screwed up his courage to admit: “I prefer to use the term that he’s just over his head. (Give ‘em hell Mitty) I consider him a big government liberal Democrat.” Listen, Obama’s wife, daughters and dog think he’s a socialist, and are damned proud of it. So, what do you call someone who’s increased the national debt by 40% in less than three years, socialized whole industries, moved to nationalize health care, and declared war on wealth? Not a socialist, if you’re Mitt Romney.
    (snip)
    After his landslide victory in Iowa, Mitt issued a call to arms: “President Obama is a nice guy. He just doesn’t understand how to run the economy.”
    (snip)
       To win, the Republican candidate will have to light a wildfire at the grassroots. He’ll have to inspire a patriot army to make any sacrifice and endure any hardship to make him president. He’ll have to mobilize doorbell-ringers, callers and sign-wavers – not to mention donors large and small. It’s hard to be mobilized when you’re holding your nose and hopping from foot to foot to avoid being burned by your candidate’s record. 

        

    I can see it now, we’ll all go into battle behind banners proclaiming: “Mitt didn’t mean anything he said when he ran against Ted Kennedy,” “RomneyCare really isn’t ObamaCare – honest, you gotta believe me,” “Obama’s a nice guy who just doesn’t understand how to run the economy,” “Obama: he’s just over his head,” and “Mitt Romney – he’s good enough!” 


  36. Bob Strauss………………..
    Where have all the leaders gone is the name of a book written by Lee Iacocca, and it was published in 2007. The text of the comment is from that book.

  37. Actually the Iacocca comment, is indeed a well thought out, and well stated literary work. While the statements are a bit old they are by no means outdated, or otherwise superceded. If they serve to motivate those who would simply go HO HUM, then outdated or not Iacocca’s comments are quite valuable. But being 5year old literature doesn’t in any way shape or form make it meaningless. It still applies and is still dead on the money. GO GET EM LEE. TEAR EM A NEW ONE,bud.

  38. Tina | January 9, 2012 at 12:27 am |

    Tina, great article by Thomas Sowell, one of my favorites. What he says makes a lot of common sense!

  39. Good Morning All; I don’t know when exactly Obama hired Robert Baur, but I do know that it was Baur that accompanied Obama to the meeting with the 4 federal agents when summoned by Patrick Fitzgerald. He needed him pretty early on, it was December 18th of 2008 when Obama turned over his “internal investigation” written by Craig Greg to the feds, Baur at his side. Is there any way that 4 federal agents investigating the sale of the Senate seat neglected to ask Obama about his participation when they already knew about his contact with Balanoff. The feds had to wonder WHY Obama left it out of his report, they had to ask…

  40. citizenwells

    Good morning Bessie, et al.

  41. Cabby – AZ | January 8, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Will Republicans Commit Romney-cide?
    by Don Feder 01/08/2012

    http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df010812.html

    ====================================
    Excellent summation of the obvious danger we’d still be in with such an easily co-opted individual.

  42. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/3838769-418/fbi-looking-at-cook-countys-project-shield.html

    @ Bessie

    Rahmbo and his Suntimes pals are whacking the heads of Chicago’s 5 family’s.

    1.Daley- coverup of murder
    2.Stroeger- corruption
    3.Quinn – next?
    3.Madigan-next?
    4.Hynes-next?

  43. These words may award me a ticket to a FEMA camp–DOA:
    patriot@proofpositivenews.com
    Comment, 11 Jan 12:
    Don’t forget that judge Roll of Arizona was assassinated a few days prior to a crucial judgment against the usurper. If Malihi does not succumb to natural causes, a deadly car wreck, an acute lead poisoning from a thug, or a sudden disappearance; the chameleon and thief will not attend the GA court, for the entity will be distracted by another ‘national crisis’ (NDAA?).
    albert, PILMOC

  44. No ruling in ‘birther’ challenge | ajc.com http://bit.ly/xQDbIW

  45. Ainsworth Hunt

    I wrote this to the Governor of New Jersey yesterday:

    January 25, 2012

    Governor Chris Christie
    Office of the Governor
    PO Box 001
    Trenton, NJ 08625

    re: Misprision of Felony

    Dear Governor Christie:

    I am an American citizen who resides in the State of New Jersey within the County of Essex.

    Pursuant to Title 18 U.S.C. Chapter 1, § 4 (“Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”), I believe I am compelled by law to make known to you the commission of a felonious fraud.

    On April 27, 2011 Barack Obama released an image that he claimed was his long form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. After more than two years of claiming that nothing was available but a Hawaiian abstract (a Certification of Live Birth that was posted on the Internet), Barack Obama publicly stated, “As many of you have been briefed, we provided additional information today about the site of my birth.” His usage of the pronoun “we” implies his personal involvement in what was released.

    Enclosed is a detailed analysis of the long form birth certificate that came to my attention today: “Expanded Analysis of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth” by Douglas Vogt. This analysis proves what Barack Obama released was, indeed, a forged computer-generated image. Forgery of a government document used for identification is a felony.

    Due to Title 18 U.S.C. Chapter 1, § 4, after receiving this report of felonious fraudulent activity and its supporting documentation, because of the duties incumbent upon your position, I believe you have little choice but to either personally investigate this crime, or refer the crime to the proper law-enforcement agent for its investigation.

    I would appreciate being apprised of the progress of that investigation, as I care deeply about my country. I object to anyone who commits fraud remaining in elected office, and trust you do as well. As I am not the only one upon whom this fraud was perpetrated, I will be reporting the findings of your expected thorough investigation with others across our State and the country who also witnessed the commission of the fraud.

    In light of the evidence provided herein, I trust your response will not be immediately dismissive. Please do not be misguided by the deceptive spins and scripted misinformation that a growing number of citizens of our country have received from mainstream media and the Office of The President of The United States.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Very Truly,

    Ainsworth Hunt

    Enclosure 22 pages

    cc: Lt. Governor and Secretary of State Kim Guadagno
    New Jersey Attorney General Jeffrey S. Chiesa
    US Representative Donald M. Payne
    US Senator Frank R. Lautenberg
    US Senator Robert Menendez
    Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

    http://keithcu.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/56433457-News-Release-Expanded-Analysis-of-Obama%E2%80%99s-Certificate-of-Live-Birth-May-22-2011.pdf

    I don’t give or provide legal advice but if you think after reading this that you want to use my text and the information found in that link, please feel free to do so.

  46. Ainsworth Hunt

    Will I ever be able to get on a plane after this? Or should I worry about disappearing in a black van? Please copy, post and ask others to do the same. Please also adapt the text of this for use with the board of elections in your State. Please take action on this NOW!

    January 26, 2012

    Lt. Governor and Secretary of State Kim Guadagno
    New Jersey Division of Elections
    P. O. Box 304 by fax (609) 777-1280 and certified mail
    Trenton, NJ 08625-0304

    Dear Lt. Governor and Secretary of State Kim Guadagno:

    I am an American citizen who resides in the State of New Jersey within the County of Essex.

    According to the New Jersey Department of Elections, candidates for President of the United States are required to be Natural Born Citizens.

    Today, in a Georgia evidence was presented about the fact that the current President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama II’s father, Barack Obama, Sr., was from Kenya. Further testimony was entered into the court record regarding the definition of Natural Born Citizen citing Minor vs Happersett opinion from a Supreme Court written opinion from 1875. The court was presented with information which clarified the difference between “citizen” and “Natural Born Citizen” via charts and copies of the Minor vs. Happersett opinion.

    The 14th Amendment does not alter the definition or supersede the meaning of Natural Born. Lower court rulings do not conflict with the Supreme Court opinion nor do they over rule the Supreme Court Minor vs Happersett opinion. As Minor vs Happersett clearly states “parents” and not parent, the fact that one of Barack Hussein Obama II’s parents was a U.S. Citizen at the time of his birth may make him a citizen, but it does not make him a “Natural Born Citizen.”

    To be a Natural Born Citizen, one must have two parents who, at the time of the birth in question, are citizens of the United States. As Obama’s father was not a citizen, it is clear that Barack Hussein Obama II, according to Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution is ineligible to be President:

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    Five supporting documents regarding this court case are provided so that there can be no question as to the fact that a court in another state has heard been presented with evidence and testimony that proves Barack Hussein Obama II is ineligible for the office which he now holds.

    Since the President has declared his intent to run for re-election, it is imperative that The New Jersey Department of State ascertain Barack Hussein Obama II’s status as a “Natural Born Citizen” pursuant to Minor vs Happersett. Provided The New Jersey Department of State agrees that Barack Hussein Obama II’s father, Barack Obama, Sr., was from Kenya, then the current President of the United States, per Minor vs Happersett must be declared ineligible to run for the office he currently holds in the upcoming election.

    Please understand this is not a partisan issue. The same lack of eligibility exists with Mitt Romney, whose parents were Mexican nationals (at the time of Mitt’s birth). Mitt’s father, Governor George Romney of Michigan, was born in Chihuahua, Mexico, to American citizens who had renounced their citizenship and became Mexican citizens. They moved to the United States when George Romney was five.

    Very Truly,

    Ainsworth Hunt

    Supporting documents: Five

    1. Partisan Candidates Eligibility Requirements, State of New Jersey, Department of State, Division of Elections (Natural Born Circled)
    2. MINOR v. HAPPERSET, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 88 U.S. 162; 21 Wall, 162, October, 1874 (highlighted)
    3. GEORGIA COURT TOLD OBAMA SLAM-DUNK DISQUALIFIED, 4 pages
    4. Results Of Obama’s Eligibility Hearing In Georgia, 3 pages westernjournalism.com
    5. Results Of Obama’s Eligibility Hearing In Georgia, 3 pages freerepublic.com

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/minorvhapp.html

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/georgia-court-told-obama-slam-dunk-disqualified/

    http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4138

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2838364/posts

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/results-obama-eligibility-hearing-georgia/

    The above links to supporting documentation will save you some time. In contacting a department of state, you have to actually provide them with the court case you reference: they won’t look it up on their own. Please make sure to include the supporting documentation. Help it go viral!

  47. DO NOT CENSOR THIS POSTING!!! THANKS!! THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS POST THAT WOULD JUSTIFY CENSORING IT!!

    The issue is quite simple. To be President of the USA or to run for the Presidency of the USA, Obama must be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA. The term “natural born citizen” has been defined previously and it requires two conditions:
    1) Obama must be born in the USA.
    Obama’s long form birth certificate that Obama has provided through the White House web site HAS BEEN DECLARED BY MANY EXPERTS TO BE SIMPLY A FORGERY!!!
    —See evidence that Obama forged the birth certificate that was posted on the White House servers on 27 Apr 2011 (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3166684
    —See evidence that Obama is using a SSN 042-68-4425 that was not legally issued to him (!!) at http://www.scribd.com/collections/3260742
    —Just type the keywords Obama long form birth certificate forgery in http://www.google.com and you will find many articles that thoroughly explain why Obama’s long form birth certificate is simply a forgery!!!
    —Therefore, the only way to check this long form birth certificate is to go to Hawaii and to check directly the original long form birth certificate and in particular to assess if even this original is genuine that is if it is not also a forgery to cover up for the possible fact that Obama was never born in Hawaii!!
    2) Obama’s parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
    We know that Obama’s father was a Kenyan and that he NEVER was an American citizen!!!!!
    Therefore, THIS SECOND CONDITION ALONE DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA AND IT ALSO DISQUALIFIES OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA, NO MATTER THE FACT THAT HE WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!

    More, Obama is a former lawyer. Therefore, he knew perfectly well that he was not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA but he nevertheless did it DISHONESTLY, FRAUDULENTLY, deceiving purposefully the entire American people.

    Furthermore, Obama was confronted with the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is when he directly participated in the investigation of John McCain’s eligibility to run for the Presidency of the USA. Obama then signed Senate Resolution 511 from April 30, 2008 that reveals the indispensable requirement of having two US citizen parents in order to be a “natural born citizen” according to the Constitution of the USA and therefore to be eligible to run for the Presidency of the USA or to be President of the USA!!!!!
    Therefore, once again, Obama knew very well that he FRAUDULENTLY decided to run for the Presidency of the USA despite the fact that he knew perfectly well that he was NOT a natural born citizen and therefore that he was not entitled, according to the Constitution of the USA, to be President of the USA.

    First Conclusion:
    —Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and therefore he is not entitled to run for the Presidency of the USA nor is he entitled to be President of the USA, no matter the fact that he won the Presidential election!!!!
    —Finally, Obama is a former lawyer and therefore OBAMA CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY COMPLETELY DECEIVED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA WHEN HE KNEW PERFECTLY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT ENTITLED TO DO SO SIMPLY BECAUSE HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE WAS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, AS THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA REQUIRES ONLY ON THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!
    —THIS HUGE DECEPTION IS MORE THAN A FRAUDULENT ACT, IT IS WORSE THAN ANYTHING IMAGINABLE BECAUSE:
    1) IT RELATES TO THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE LAND, THE PRESIDENCY OF THE USA, THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINED;
    2) IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA BEING TRAMPLED UPON FRAUDULENTLY AND ILLEGALLY BY OBAMA;
    3) IT RELATES TO THE FACT THAT OBAMA INTENTIONALLY DECEIVED AND MISLED THE ENTIRE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
    ANY PERSON GUILTY OF SUCH SERIOUS FRAUD SHOULD AT LEAST GET A JAIL SENTENCE, NO MATTER THAT OBAMA HAS FRAUDULENTY HELD THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT OF THE USA FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!

    If you really want to have an expert legal explanation on what a “natural born citizen” truly is according to the Constitution of the USA and why legally speaking it is this way, then I suggest that you read at least a few articles on Attorney Mario Apuzzo’s web site “Natural Born Citizen – A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
    In particular, read:
    —“The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth” at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html

    Second conclusion:
    —If you are a rational person, no matter your political affiliation, you surely will be forced to conclude that the facts speak for themselves and that there is no doubt legally that a “natural born citizen” indeed requires that the President of the USA has to have two parents that were BOTH American citizens at the time of Obama’s birth.
    —The Constitution of the USA is sacred to any American citizen AND it applies to every single American citizen, no matter one’s political affiliation, no matter one’s color of the skin, no matter what!!!!
    Therefore, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UNDER THE RULE OF LAW LIKE ANYBODY ELSE (NOT ABOVE IT!!!) AND IN PARTICULAR OBAMA IS UNDER THE RULE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA LIKE ANYBODY ELSE!!!!
    —You now have the facts fully on the table concerning what a “natural born citizen” truly is, you cannot evade the truth about these facts!!!
    Now, what path are you going to choose?
    1) Keep Lying and hiding the facts, hoping that they will disappear by themselves!! Or
    2) Choose to acknowledge these facts fully and be determined to fight for the truth?
    The choice is yours! But the Constitution of the USA is at stake!!!

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