Obama eligibility issue growing, Charles Rice, Law School Professor, Notre Dame, US Constitution, Natural born citizen

Obama eligibility issue growing, Charles Rice, Law School Professor, Notre Dame, US Constitution, Natural born citizen 

“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

From Zach Jones, patriot, writer, veteran, legal mind and friend.

“Dear Rush, Glenn and Hannity:
I hope you will consider the following article written by Prof. Rice of Notre Dame Law School. 
 
This issue is not going away.  As a Veteran (Navy 75-80), I feel that anyone serving under Obama today is having his or her service tarnished and they don’t deserve this. 
 
Hope you will do what you can to help.
 
Respectfully, Zach Jones”
Charles E. Rice is professor emeritus at the Law School of Notre Dame University in South Bend IN. He is the author of What Happened to Notre Dame?

“Barack Obama: Is he or Isn’t he an American citizen?
Tuesday, March 01, 2011
By Charles E. Rice
 
The speculation about President Obama”s eligibility goes on and on, with no reliable access to the truth and with no end in sight. It is time for a new approach.

The Constitution provides: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.” Art II, Sec. 1. Neither the Constitution nor any federal law defines the term “natural born citizen.” Nor has the Supreme Court provided a definition that covers the questions presented in the Obama case.

In Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, the Supreme Court, made an incidental reference to the issue: “[N]ew citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875).”

“I suggest no conclusion as to whether Obama is eligible or not. But the citizens whom the media and political pundits dismiss as “birthers” have raised legitimate questions. That legitimacy is fueled by Obama”s curious, even bizarre, refusal to consent to the release of the relevant records. Perhaps there is nothing to the issues raised. Or perhaps there is. This is potentially serious business. If it turns out that Obama knew he was ineligible when he campaigned and when he took the oath as President, it could be the biggest political fraud in the history of the world. As long as Obama refuses to disclose the records, speculation will grow and grow without any necessary relation to the truth. The first step toward resolving the issue is full discovery and disclosure of the facts.

The courts are not the only entities empowered to deal with such a question. A committee of the House of Representatives could be authorized to conduct an investigation into the eligibility issue. The classic formulation of the Congressional role is Woodrow Wilson”s, in his 1884 book Congressional Government:

It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. It is meant to be the eyes and the voice, and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. Unless Congress have and use every means of acquainting itself with the acts and the disposition of the administrative agents of the government, the country must be helpless to learn how it is being served; and unless Congress both scrutinize these things and sift them by every form of discussion, the country must remain in embarrassing, crippling ignorance of the very affairs which it is most important that it should understand and direct. The informing function of Congress should be preferred even to its legislative function…[T]he only really self-governing people is that people which discusses and interrogates its administration. (p. 198)”

“The American people do not know whether the current president achieved election by misrepresenting, innocently or by fraud, his eligibility for that office. I neither know nor suggest the answer to that question. But it would be a public service for the House of Representatives to employ its authority to determine those facts and to recommend any indicated changes in the law or the Constitution.”

Read more:

 
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=49420&t=Barack+Obama%3A+Is+he+or+Isn’t+he+an+American+citizen%3F

Why did Professor Rice title his article:

“Barack Obama: Is he or Isn’t he an American citizen?”

Once again, and I am not a law professor, the constitutional issue is whether or not Obama is a Natural Born Citizen.

101 responses to “Obama eligibility issue growing, Charles Rice, Law School Professor, Notre Dame, US Constitution, Natural born citizen

  1. Good Morning CW. I’m glad Prof. Rice decided to weigh in. It may give Rush, Hannity and Glenn a different way to approach the subject. Thank you for all your work. Zach

  2. I think he may have titled it the way he did because Obummer may in deed not be a citizen at all. Natural born or otherwise. Indications are that he could be an illegal alien. This is no joke.

  3. Free Speech

    It is great that Prof. Rice has spoken out on this issue. We have come a long way since bo spoke at ND and covered up all the Christian Symbols.

    To take this to the next level We the People must march on Washington with thousands of Indictments of bo and his local co-conspirators. Then congress and the msm will have to take notice.

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-citizen-grand-juries-havent-worked.html


    “GO EGYPT ON BO” –Rush

    CALLER: If nothing changes as a result of the recent elections, and the Tea Party doesn’t get what they want, Rush, what happens next?

    RUSH: Obama can’t complain if we go Egypt on him because he said that’s how democracy works, that’s what he said on Friday. This is the way real democracy works, so he can’t complain if it happens to him, and it will.

  4. Looks like 94 members of Georgia’s 180 Assembly (including 1 Democrat) are supporting a bill requiring proof of eligibility to serve as President. Sounds like good news.
    “Documentation as provided by Hawaii, which has insisted time and time again that Obama was born there, “would not suffice,” Hatfield said.”
    “What’s more, even if the Georgia secretary of state certifies a candidate as native born, HB 401 would give any registered voter a two-week window to challenge the candidate’s bona fides.
    Furthermore, the bill would make it a “misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature” for any Georgia member of the electoral college to cast a vote for the candidate.”
    http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/03/01/new-bill-would-require-barack-obama-to-provide-proof-of-birth-to-get-on-georgia-ballot/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway

    New bill would require Barack Obama to provide proof of birth to get on Georgia ballot
    12:44 pm March 1, 2011, by jgalloway

    State Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Waycross, just handed me a copy of his new bill, HB 401, which would require President Barack Obama to provide certified proof of his birth to the Georgia secretary of state in order to appear on next year’s presidential primary and general election ballots….

  5. I was taught in School who are eligible to become President. Both my Parents must be Citizens, and I would have needed to be born here, or if at a time of war, in other area’s deemed American Soil. As we re-study the facts…Justice Jay Jay…Permit me to hint, whether if would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission to Foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen. We also have John Bingham when it comes to the 14th Amendment..find no fault with the introductory claus, which is simply declaratory of whit is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdictioin of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… We do not need to be Rocket Scientists to understand such simple matters…Natural born citizens are those born in a country to citizen parents.

  6. Free Speech

    Zach Jones | March 2, 2011 at 8:48 am |

    Excellent! Being off the ballot in the demRat primary in Texas or Georgia will end bo’s chance of winning the demRat nomination.

  7. March 02, 2011
    Has Huckabee Gone Birther?
    Jack Cashill
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/has_huckabee_gone_birther.html

    …”For Huckabee going forward — if he still has a political career — and for all Republicans, if asked about the citizenship issue, please answer as follows:

    “George/ David/ Chris etc–if there is ignorance” abroad, as you suggest, it is because of your collective failure to investigate the background of Barack Obama. The truth is we know more about George Washington’s early years than Obama’s.” …

  8. I agree Free Speech. There will certainly have to be a complete discussion about who can and can’t be a Natural Born Citizen.

  9. I really like Jack Cashill’s suggested response for Republicans.

    …”For Huckabee going forward — if he still has a political career — and for all Republicans, if asked about the citizenship issue, please answer as follows:

    “George/ David/ Chris etc–if there is ignorance” abroad, as you suggest, it is because of your collective failure to investigate the background of Barack Obama. The truth is we know more about George Washington’s early years than Obama’s.” …

  10. Free Speech

    Zach Jones | March 2, 2011 at 9:22 am | I agree Free Speech. There will certainly have to be a complete discussion about who can and can’t be a Natural Born Citizen.

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    IMHO, SCOTUS will have to decide the definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Otherwise this will continue to happen with people like mccain, Rubio or Jindal as possible candidates.

  11. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15 (see trends).

  12. Free Speech

    Zach Jones | March 2, 2011 at 9:24 am |

    Did you see the latest STUPIDITY from Huckabee?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/huckabee-questions-obama-history-claims-he-was-raised-in-kenya/

    omg, Huckabee was a candidate in 2008 and he doesn’t even know where bo lived. Huckabee has got to be the dumbest repub of them all.

  13. Did anyone listen to “coasttocoastam” last night? Could the O be a creation of the CIA?

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/03/01

    Webster Tarplay was the guest.

    http://tarpley.net/

  14. Free Speech – Agreed.

  15. Free Speech. I like Huck but his misunderstanding about where Obama grew up I think hurt any chance he may have had. He should have used Jack Cashill’s suggestion.

  16. hockeyfan530

    I had an interesting morning with Jamie Allman. He’s on 97.1 in St Louis…conservative talk show. Dana Loesch used to be on his show.

    But anyway, he was talking about how Huckabee hurt himself by “pandering” to the birthers by talking about Obama being raised in Kenya. So i fired off this email:

    Obama did not grow up in Kenya, probably wasn’t even born there…but Obama was born with dual citizenship because his father was NEVER a US Citizen. That’s why us “birthers” say Obama is not eligible….don’t be an idiot! Us “birthers” are NOT crazy, or loony, we use common sense.

    Obama acts like an imperialists because he was born with dual citizenship with England, which a few years after his birth became dual citizenship with Kenya. That’s why a Natural Born Citizen must not have dual citizenenship, which Obama had at birth.

    Do your research Jamie!

    Dan

    his response:

    so who cares Don? You gonna impeach the guy? Even if you’re correct what are you going to do about out besides bitch and moan in emails?
    We need to focus on his failures and how bad he is for the country if we are to remove him from office in 2012. We know he doesn’t care about truky American vlues and we can demonstrate it by talking about what he has done and the damage he has done. Squawking about where he was born does nothing to get us closer to victory. Stop derailing potentially successful efforts to defeat him. Why don’t YOU use a little common sense and stop ruining our chances of winning by focusing on issues you know you can;’t do anything about. Stop being lazy.

    Jamie Allman
    “Allman In The Morning: Common Sense Radio”

    so i fired this one off:

    Jamie,
    Thank you for responding. Seriously, I appreciate it. But I didn’t say anything about Obama being born in Kenya. I don’t even care about his birth certificate. He could have been born on the steps of the white house…and it still doesn’t matter. He WAS BORN WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP because his father was never a US citizen.

    Who cares you ask? EVERYONE should…it’s the constution! If enough people “bitched and moaned” we can certainly stop him in his tracks. But I digress.

    The truth is I realize this SHOULD have been addressed in 2007 and 2008. If he’s not eligible he’s not eligible. So, no, I do realize that there’s nothing we can do about it until 2012. But we can stop him from running in 2012. Don’t you think if the people knew that the DNC put up an ineligible candidate that would destroy the DNC. IF we went after all of Obama’s records, yes, to include his birth certificate, he would be further discredited.

    I also agree that we need to go after his policies. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. You’re screaming about the cold everyday while you ignore the open window.
    I don’t care if you don’t talk about the “birthers”, I just can’t let you mock something that you,obviously, don’t fully understand.

    thank you

    I doubt he’ll respond further but this is what we’re dealing with

    I was going to turn off his show but i wanted to see if he would respond in any other way….and he sure did LOL. He was calling us annoying. Lazy. blah blah blah. Told me NOT to call him because he’ll hang up on me.

  17. Free Speech

  18. Just received this on Twitter.

    wikileaks WikiLeaks
    Does Vanity Fair know there’s headline on its site that reads: “Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate Probably a Forgery” http://bit.ly/fc5u61

  19. Free Speech

    hockeyfan530 | March 2, 2011 at 9:45 am |

    “Jamie,
    Thank you for responding. Seriously, I appreciate it. But I didn’t say anything about Obama being born in Kenya. I don’t even care about his birth certificate. He could have been born on the steps of the white house…and it still doesn’t matter. He WAS BORN WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP because his father was never a US citizen.

    Who cares you ask? EVERYONE should…it’s the constution! If enough people “bitched and moaned” we can certainly stop him in his tracks. But I digress.

    The truth is I realize this SHOULD have been addressed in 2007 and 2008. If he’s not eligible he’s not eligible. So, no, I do realize that there’s nothing we can do about it until 2012. But we can stop him from running in 2012. Don’t you think if the people knew that the DNC put up an ineligible candidate that would destroy the DNC. IF we went after all of Obama’s records, yes, to include his birth certificate, he would be further discredited.

    I also agree that we need to go after his policies. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. You’re screaming about the cold everyday while you ignore the open window.
    I don’t care if you don’t talk about the “birthers”, I just can’t let you mock something that you,obviously, don’t fully understand.

    thank you”

    ——————————————————

    EXCELLENT!

  20. hockeyfan530 | March 2, 2011 at 9:45 am |

    Good job!

  21. I wonder when these guys who say ‘forget about it’ will realize that millions are not going to ‘forget about it’. Will they say ‘let’s deal with it’? Probably not. They will just go under their rocks.

  22. Free Speech

    Zach Jones | March 2, 2011 at 9:44 am | Free Speech. I like Huck but his misunderstanding about where Obama grew up I think hurt any chance he may have had. He should have used Jack Cashill’s suggestion.

    ======================================
    These idiotic statements by Huckabee really makes you wonder how informed he is and who is pulling his strings.

  23. I remember reading about an Amicus currie brief being filed along with the case to declare Obama care unconstitutional. The friend of the court brief said the bill was signed into law by an ineligible president, usurper, and therefore void.

    Does anyone have any info on this brief ?

  24. “Open Letter to Professor on Obama’s Eligibility: This is Not Speculation!”

    “Dear Editor:

    The following letter was sent to Prof. Charles E. Rice of Notre Dame Law School, who wrote an analysis of the Obama eligibility controversy, recommending “a new approach.”

    Dear Prof. Rice,

    I want to be as polite as I possibly can be with you. I have toiled long and hard and continue to do so on the issue of Obama’s ineligibility. So, I always read articles that suggest a “different” approach with great interest.

    [go to link]

    All the best,

    Cort Wrotnowski”

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/03/02/open-letter-to-professor-on-obamas-eligibility-this-is-not-speculation/

  25. citizenwells

    Thanks to you Zach!

  26. hockeyfan530

    you know, this country is in such sad shape right now. A “conservative” talk show host actually asked “who cares” about the eligibility of the President of the United States….talking about a dumb downed society huh?

  27. Huck slipped a few notches in my estimation with this misguided remark on Kenyan formative years; no one else had been suggesting that. A clarification substituting Indonesia makes no sense given the remarks on antipathy for the Brits. Amazing a guy who speaks to us for a living went out of orbit. Causes me some concern.

  28. Margie | March 2, 2011 at 9:14 am |

    I was taught in School who are eligible to become President. Both my Parents must be Citizens, and I would have needed to be born here, or if at a time of war, in other area’s deemed American Soil. As we re-study the facts…Justice Jay Jay…Permit me to hint, whether if would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission to Foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen. We also have John Bingham when it comes to the 14th Amendment..find no fault with the introductory claus, which is simply declaratory of whit is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdictioin of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen… We do not need to be Rocket Scientists to understand such simple matters…Natural born citizens are those born in a country to citizen parents.

    —————————————————————-
    Yes, Margie, you really have to wonder about a politician who does not understand these simple concepts.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html

  29. hockeyfan530,
    RE your email to Allman:

    hockeyfan530| March 2, 2011 at 9:45 am |
    Jamie,
    Thank you for responding. Seriously, I appreciate it. But I didn’t say anything about Obama being born in Kenya. I don’t even care about his birth certificate. He could have been born on the steps of the white house…and it still doesn’t matter. He WAS BORN WITH DUAL CITIZENSHIP because his father was never a US citizen.

    Who cares you ask? EVERYONE should…it’s the constution! If enough people “bitched and moaned” we can certainly stop him in his tracks. But I digress.

    The truth is I realize this SHOULD have been addressed in 2007 and 2008. If he’s not eligible he’s not eligible. So, no, I do realize that there’s nothing we can do about it until 2012. But we can stop him from running in 2012. Don’t you think if the people knew that the DNC put up an ineligible candidate that would destroy the DNC. IF we went after all of Obama’s records, yes, to include his birth certificate, he would be further discredited.

    I also agree that we need to go after his policies. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. You’re screaming about the cold everyday while you ignore the open window.
    I don’t care if you don’t talk about the “birthers”, I just can’t let you mock something that you,obviously, don’t fully understand.”

    ==========================================

    Great response, Hockeyfan530.
    Are you involved with the St Louis TEA Party?

  30. hockeyfan530 | March 2, 2011 at 10:22 am | you know, this country is in such sad shape right now. A “conservative” talk show host actually asked “who cares” about the eligibility of the President of the United States….talking about a dumb downed society huh?

    =============================================
    Yes, the problem starts with bo but it goes down to the Local School Board level. Our Society has been infiltrated by Marxists and musbros. Obviously, we can not count on politicians to clean up this mess. We will have to clean up the mess one County at a time by the Grand Jury process.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  31. hockeyfan530

    I go to the StL Tea Party rallies but I hate Dana Loesch…She always annoyed me by her hyper personality and “cool points” but she mocks “birthers” as much as Jamie Allman does. I’ve emailed Jamie before and offered to discuss the “birther” issue over a few beers since we live in the same neighborhood I think. Apparantly he’s too “lazy”.
    Are you active in the StL T-Party?

  32. You’re welcome CW. I think- something about the ‘tarnishing’ of every serviceman and woman’s service should be included in every letter to the editor, letter to representative, letter to Talk Radio, etc. This is a serious side effect of Obama’s deception.

    Can they deny such tarnishing is not occurring? It certainly has in my mind. I would bet that many others would agree.

    I’ll be back later. Zach

  33. I think the new approach with the MSM needs to be to look at everyone who could be a candidate, and figure out what a natural born citizen is. If we only focus on Obama, the press will make everyone look silly or racist as they’ve done time and time again which is why all the candidates are making up vague answers on Obama. But if someone says let’s look at everyone and finally get a definition as to the NBC ruling, then we can look at all candidates and see who qualifies. Obviously, I think Obama will not, but others who might be good candidates might not qualify either and the American people need to know that. But for the candidates to constantly say it’s policy rather than birthplace or eligibility, I think that makes them look foolish. They need to say we need a good definition once and for all of what an NBC is.

  34. hockeyfan530 | March 2, 2011 at 10:44 am |
    Are you active in the StL T-Party?
    =======================================
    Yes, I’ve attended most of the StL TEA parties. They protested in Jefferson City on Saturday to show support for WI governor Scott Walker, but I didn’t go. Did you?

  35. Philo-Publius

    The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/high-court-rules-for-military-funeral-protesters/

  36. hockeyfan530

    jonah,
    no i didn’t go to the jeff city one either.

  37. jacqlynsmith

    Might want to listen to this……

    Lindsey Williams: MI6 Funded Muslim Brotherhood and Their “Day of Rage”
    Posted on March 1, 2011 by 333diana

    Lindsey Williams! Your going to want to hear these 2 parts

    Lindsey Williams: MI6 Funded Muslim Brotherhood and Their “Day of Rage” Coming! 2/2

  38. CW………………..
    My question is now why would NotreDame officials have allowed such a travesty of the covering up all of the Christian symbols without asking who is requiring such an action,then telling the requester to go STRAIGHT TO HELL,OUR CRISTIAN SYMBOLS WILL NEVER BE COVERED UP FOR ANYBODY. If it was one of the alleged officials then he/she should be excommunicated.

  39. Mr. Lindsey Williams………………..
    You seem to LIKE the company of your MUSLIM FRIENDS. Then you should probably expect PATRIOTS to include you in their DAY OF RAGE.

  40. Pacepa on Soviet Exploitation of Islamic Radicalism

    http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2011/02/pacepa-on-soviet-exploitation-of.html

  41. jacqlynsmith

    oldsalt79 | March 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm |

    Mr. Lindsey Williams………………..
    You seem to LIKE the company of your MUSLIM FRIENDS. Then you should probably expect PATRIOTS to include you in their DAY OF RAGE.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    OS….did you listen to the videos??? The globalist are at the brink…..mark your calendars for March 11th…..the day of rage……if the good guys don’t stop them we are CRAP! They are ready to take over the planet!

  42. oldsalt, js praises one nutjob after the next.

  43. If in fact NotreDame officials DID in fact sanction the covering up of all of the Christian symbols then I would be seriously examining the present primary affiliation of the ONCE great instution because it aseems that they completely abandoned the Catholic Church,and Christianity in so doing. The top brass in Rome should be made aware of it. I personally doubt that they even know that all Christian symbols were covered up to accomodate a questionable MUSLIM President.They should have been asking him” why do you think that we should cover up all of our Christian symbols while you are here.”?

  44. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/barbour-obamas-policy-is-to-drive-up-energy-prices/

    “In 2008, four dollar gasoline brought my state to its knees, before Wall Street melted down, and we have blown through three dollars a gallon on our way to four,” Barbour, a Republican who is seriously considering a White House bid, said Wednesday in a speech to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “We don’t need that where I am.”

    “But this administration’s policies have been designed to drive up the cost of energy in the name of reducing pollution, in the name of making very expensive alternative fuels more economically competitive,” he said.

  45. New Hampshire has bill to criminalize bo’s TSA Sexual Assaults.

  46. JS……………..
    My point IS…………..NOT ALL OF US ARE GOING TO LIE DOWN AND DIE BECAUSE SOME MUSLIM A$$HOLES THINK WE SHOULD. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID”PATRIOTS DAY OF RAGE”. IF SUCH AN EVENT THAT YOU SUGGEST BECOMES IMMINENT I AM CERTAIN THAT THERE WILL BE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS LIKE ME WHO WILL TAKE AS MANY OF THEM WITH US AS POSSIBLE. IN SHORT THEY WILL PAY A HEAVY PRICE TO ACHEIVE THEIR …..NEW WORLD ORDER, AND AT THE SAME TIME BECOME MARTYRS. DEAD MARTYRS CAN HURT NOBODY ANY LONGER.

  47. GORDO | March 2, 2011 at 11:11 am | “The Jay Treaty Strongly Indicates That Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President.”

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/the-jay-treaty-strongly-indicates-that-obama-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/
    ============================================
    Perhaps I beat this drum too often but re: the Prof. Rice statement, it, like so many other attempts to sum up the various questions involved, usually make a simple reference, among all the others, to the Indonesian history – simply questioning about passports, etc. Now, when you speak about necessary discovery (that Rice would like to leave up to Congress to order) in order to resolve this most important question of real possible fraud, why don’t people ever make a bigger deal out of that one document that evaded being hidden from the public: that legal admittance form to the school which gives a real historical date for acknowledging an Indonesian citizenship (as well as a real history of Muslim devotion)?? Following that date in history where is there any other discovery that points to even a re-naturalization process to make the man now even any kind of a citizen – and which then itself definitely defines the man as anything but nat. born??

    Now I am open to being enlightened re: that usual excuse about nothing taking away U.S. citizenship from a child even by a parent, but adoption would seem to get beyond that excuse since otherwise the parent citizenship, once again, is not recognized as of any influence over the child’s present or future loyalties … and that’s simply unreasonable.

    I have yet to see that Inonesian document itself being brought into any court case which, in itself, would demand discovery to refute its evidence. If further discovery is not presented or not allowed, then the court would have to assume that that document, being the only one introduced, would have to stand on its own until otherwise explained by the accused. So, where is it?

    In the history of court challenges the outcome always seems to rest on opinion – even to the point of being based on “twitters” – and that’s often because they know that there is no public hard documental evidence presented by the challengers … only what they see as “speculation”. That’s also why there must be a final definition of NBC made for precedent reference. So where is the document to be presented to the court that the last known citizenship for O is Indonesian??

  48. This is a great video and shows how the Whitehouse is cooking the books.
    It also show how much Jimmy Carter and Barack O Vomit are the same.

  49. Rosemary Woodhouse

    I read the posts from after I logged off last night, and feel the need to set the record straight as my words are copied/pasted into pro RP threads, and thus could be construed other than as intended. I absolutely unequivocally DO NOT, repeat DO NOT support Ron Paul for president.

  50. Tina…………………
    My primary hope is that people will SOON start looking past the end of their noses with regard to those who they perceive to be PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL. They sure got RIMMED on the alleged POTUS who now occupies the WH. “Fool me once can be, but fool me twice,,,…ITS ME!”

  51. bo’s Thugs attack Democrat Rep who asks that they behave themselves. bo is promoting mob rule in all 50 States

  52. OT……………..
    The Westboro church was upheld by the USSC. They can now intervene in and otherwise verbally assualt people who are just BURYING their children who have fallen in battle. The alleged WESTBORO CHURCH are the absolute worst form of SLIME,on earth. They will one day be JUDGED themselves. Let them try to get around the judgement of GOD.

  53. Rush is now referencing the article I just mentioned in my last comment – re: Sheila Jackson Lee, but for some reason it looks like I got stuck in moderation. It’s really something!

  54. Philo Publius……………….
    I am sure that the TWO recent Soetoro appointees to the USSC got very special “electric gratification” in casting their votes regarding the Westboro matter. The warped function of their……tiny minds…… is very much in evidence.

  55. Oldsalt,
    Fred Phelps (Westboro Babtist) was a big AL GORE supporter. Life long Democrat.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2660147/posts

  56. Free Speech

    Observer | March 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm |

    If you quoted Lee verbatim that is why you went into moderation.
    That is WordPress not CW.

  57. Rosemary Woodhouse

    Phelps ran for office (I believe at a state level) on the Democrat ticket several times.

  58. Mr Clean………………
    It wouldn’t surprise me if we soon learned that Jimmie,and his brother BILLIE, are quietly advising Soetoro. MORONS BEGET MORONS.!

  59. Well, here ya go …. the link instead … so can read for yourself:

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/02/congressional-bosses-from-hell-sheila-jackson-lee/

  60. Kenya Parliament (National Assembly, James Orengo) March 25, 2010
    ” If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity, and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America? It is because they did away with exclusion….
    It is time to send Politicans to Kenya on a Fact-Finding mission…and end this Nightmare. Or we go to the USSC and demand they do their job, or fire them. AKA Prosecute.

  61. Free Speech

    Is algore testifying against bo? Is that why the obots are attacking algore Westboro connection?

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-07-23-gore-obama_N.htm

  62. Free Speech

    Rosemary Woodhouse | March 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Phelps ran for office (I believe at a state level) on the Democrat ticket several times.

    ================================
    Phelps is just one of many racists who supported algore. algore has many family ties to the KKK, including his father.

  63. NO LONGER NEED TO PROVE BARRY NOT A NBC

    The real issue today is not whether or not Barry is a NBC but the collection of politicians, media hosts, and judges who have become complicit in a major fraud committed against America. Why would they all be so willing to become traitors and criminals against their own country. Is it their careers they are protecting? Is it fear for their or their families’ lives that motivates them to refuse to do their duty? Do they truly despise America as Sotoero and his collection of Islam/Communist czars and gladly want to see America destroyed? Why, why, why I ask myself every day would these professionals who know very well Ofraud IS NOT LEGALLY ELIGIBLE TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE US would they take 30 pieces of silver to become a criminal for a cheap shot punk like Barry Hussein Sotoero?

    We must stop beating dead horses and coming up with the same old warmed over soup of information that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the fraud fails to meet the NBC requirements to be POTUS. We must focus on what, when, how and who are the powers that have insulated him from prosecution for fraud and all his other violations and crimes against our constitution and America.

    When nearly all the people in the highest positions in our American system avoid this issue as if it were the bubonic plague, it makes me wonder. WHAT DO THEY KNOW WE DON’T KNOW? Have they been bought out or scared out? In a country where freedom of speech prevailed discussion in detail of Barry’s usurpation is simply not done. Phony Judge Napolitano NEVER EVEN DISCUSSES THE NBC CLAUSE. WHAT OUR LEADERS DON’T OR REFUSE TO SAY IS AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT THEY DO SAY.

    Do we now have to beat back the ever growing Muslim Brotherhood, the unions, all the Acorn people who have morphed into other groups but are still doing their dirty work along with the corrupt judicial system and the lying whore media? Do we have to look under the rocks and in the shadows of Bilderberger, The Committee of 300, The Tavistock Institute, Club Rome, and the rest of the vile groups whose only purpose is to steal what is left of America? Even if Obama is removed or not re elected in 2012, we will still have the rich and well organized nefarious groups who will work tirelessly to take America.

  64. Free Speech

    Margie | March 2, 2011 at 1:24 pm |

    There is already overwhelming evidence that bo and Gibbs are GUILTY of FRAUD.

    BO committed fraud when he had his forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleged that his Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. BO should be immediately indicted for fraud.

    Contact your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman and demand that they indict and prosecute BO and all his local co-conspirators for the Birth Document Forgeries and Fraud.

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  65. Free Speech | March 2, 2011 at 9:28 am |

    There is not a whole lot that CW can do about it, sunstein’s internet brownshirts have the unlimited resourses of bo’s Terror network.

    ==================================

    1. As I said the other day, we are not the same as Citizen Carlyle. But the fact that you call everybody who makes sense Carlyle, or aka Carlyle, seems like more a positive reflection on him then on you.

    2. And as usual, you are wrong in the exactly and correctly quoted bit above. There is a lot CW could and should do about it. The people who repeatedly post nonsense and brain-dead ideas, the ones who are “fixated” against all reason – these are more like LUNATICS than Sunstein Stooges. CW just needs to decide if he wants his blog clogged up with this gunk or not. So far he seems to like it. Go figure.

    On a related topic, I noticed you lied about CW again. Trying to make it sound like he favors you above others he “keeps in moderation”. If I were CW I would smack you hard for lying and about the disgraceful use of his name and reputation to sugar coat yourself. Shameful and despicable.

  66. People have only ‘qualified’ right to Christianity

    “It is important to realize that reliance upon religious belief, however conscientious the belief and however ancient and respectable the religion, can never of itself immunize the believer from the reach of the secular law. And invocation of religious belief does not necessarily provide a defense to what is otherwise a valid claim,” they wrote.

    The judges noted Article 9 of the European Convention, which explains all have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion and the related “practice and observance,” but they said the “manifestation” of Christianity is subject to “qualifications.”

    Munby and Beatson endorsed the belief that it “cannot therefore be justified” that a position “held purely on religious grounds” could be defended by the law.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=269573

    Just wait til they start referencing the NWO “convention” or UN “convention” or even this European convention in our own courts.

  67. Philo-Publius

    Observer | March 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    People have only ‘qualified’ right to Christianity
    ————————————–

    With US judges promoting reliance on International law for decision making, what is happening in the UK can happen here.

  68. NBC Vic Hern

    Zach Jones | March 2, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    Free Speech. I like Huck but his misunderstanding about where Obama grew up I think hurt any chance he may have had. He should have used Jack Cashill’s suggestion.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Just saying:
    Maybe Huck has seen the same “papers” that O’Really has seen, 🙂

  69. SueQ | March 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |

    Oldsalt,
    Fred Phelps (Westboro Babtist) was a big AL GORE supporter. Life long Democrat.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2660147/posts
    ——————————————————
    Free Speech | March 2, 2011 at 1:25 pm |

    Is algore testifying against bo? Is that why the obots are attacking algore Westboro connection?
    ——————————————————
    FS,
    Why do I deserve that name for pointing out the connection? A simple honest answer would be appreciated.

  70. NBC Vic Hern | March 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm |

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I just heard on my local radio station that Huckabee is walking back his statements about Obama growing up in Kenya. He misspoke was what was stated by the announcer.

  71. Philo-Publius

    The Ohio State Senate will vote this afternoon on a bill to curtail collective bargaining rights for public-sector unions, the AP reports.

    The measure passed a Senate committee this morning
    http://www.businessinsider.com/ohio-anti-union-bill-passes-senate-committee-amid-huge-protests-2011-3

  72. Philo-Publius | March 2, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Observer | March 2, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
    People have only ‘qualified’ right to Christianity
    ————————————–

    With US judges promoting reliance on International law for decision making, what is happening in the UK can happen here.
    ==========================================

    Well, come to think of it, I believe it was in MA where Catholic Charities had to closed down its adoption/foster care services when it was ordered to include homosexual “couples” even against natural parents’ wishes.

    I think there was also a same question in CA. And then we have secular opposition against Christian home schooling in Belgium. It’s getting to the point where the seculars feel free to invade private homes and yet look the other way at legalized “back alley” abortion mills.

    Does anyone else feel that in rapid form the world is becoming a pretty dark space in the universe these days?? And only because of minion thug lemmings! People these days don’t care even if it means their own eventual suicide … culture of death indeed.

  73. Michael Moore: Wealthy Americans’ Money is Not Theirs its ‘Ours’; ‘National Resource’, We Need to Take It From Them

    http://www.breitbart.tv/michael-moore-wealthy-americans-money-is-not-theirs-its-ours-national-resource-we-need-to-take-it-from-them/

    our new Madam DeFarge! Does he knit?

  74. Old Salt at 1240.

    JS wants the world calamity to occur. She is willing it to happen in some self fulfilling prophesy where she is the star of the show with her fat arse sitting in front of her keyboard. The rest of us sane people hope that push doesn’t come to shove. But if it does We will be ready.

  75. Pingback: Obama eligibility issue growing, Charles Rice, Law School … | Free Legal News

  76. Free Speech

    I will not respond to obot comments. fyi, obots were outed in this post for those interested. Best just to identify them, then ignore them.

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/blagojevich-trial-juror-names-secret-judge-james-zagel-opinion-media-conduct-improper-and-abusive/#comment-185970

  77. As to what is important and what is not. Think about this. Obama has already appointed two radical Sup.Ct. Justices. If another slot opens it is likely that we could have Socialist legal rulings for DECADES! He must be found to be ineligible! Impeachment, election defeat, withdrawl, legislation, all will not remove the Justices. Work on Eligibility-its more important than many realize. This is urgent.

  78. Free Speech

    Stock | March 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm | As to what is important and what is not. Think about this. Obama has already appointed two radical Sup.Ct. Justices. If another slot opens it is likely that we could have Socialist legal rulings for DECADES! He must be found to be ineligible! Impeachment, election defeat, withdrawl, legislation, all will not remove the Justices. Work on Eligibility-its more important than many realize. This is urgent.
    —————————————————-
    I agree.

    For over two years, Barack Hussein Obama and Robert Gibbs openly, by Gibbs’ own admission, committed fraud in every County, in every State in the United States of America. Obama committed fraud when he had his forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleged that his Long Form Birth Certificate was on file in Hawaii. By posting Obama’s forged COLB on the World Wide Web, Obama and Gibbs perpetrated a fraud on every citizen in every County in every State in the United States of America. Yet, not a single County District Attorney has had the courage to bring fraud charges against Obama and Gibbs. Thus, it is up to We the People to use the power of the 4th Branch of our Government, the Grand Jury, to indict Obama and Gibbs for their crimes against the people.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  79. Philo-Publius

    Oil surges after Libya airstrike near oil terminal
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/02/us-markets-oil-idUSTRE71192R20110302

  80. Philo-Publius

    Eric Holder Plays Race Card for Obama

    Holder harshly criticized scrutiny of the case, calling it “inappropriate” to compare this case to past government defenses of civil rights, adding, “I think it does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line for my people.”

    “Holder’s comment about ‘my people’ illustrates how the Attorney General sees the world through a color-coded lens,”
    http://floydreports.com/eric-holder-plays-race-card-for-obama/

  81. Stock | March 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I totally agree with your statements. I hope I am wrong but I don’t believe we will see another election. I believe that there will be some staged and planned event that will happen and Obama will issue martial law and the 2012 elections will not take place. So timing is of the essence to get him removed. There are too many people that have looked the other way and have allowed this constitutional crisis to take place. How can our leaders sleep at night knowing what they have allowed and are allowing to take place each and every day.

  82. Free Speech

    cynkading | March 2, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    … I hope I am wrong but I don’t believe we will see another election. I believe that there will be some staged and planned event that will happen and Obama will issue martial law and the 2012 elections will not take place.

    —————————————-
    If bo remains in office and there is an election in 2012, it will be rigged like the elections of bo’s musbros in Iran and Venezuela.

  83. Here is in my opinion of what happened to Huckabee,. A week or so ago Huckabee dissed the “birthers” by saying the issue of Obama’s eligibility was “inconsequintial”. He was deluged with emails from birthers like me trying to set him straight on the issue, and he paniced and decided to “make up” with the many who had contacted him, often stating they were going to vote for him, but had changed their minds when he effectively said the Constitution was inconsequintial. In his effort to make up, and being only slightly knowledgeable about Obama’s past, he screwed up and got Kenya and Indonesia mixed up

    His screw up was partly my fault…..but, there you go. stuff happens!!

  84. Tina | March 2, 2011 at 10:58 am |

    There are all goo points Tina. The following are not eligible:
    Bobby Jindal
    Nikki Hayley
    Marco Rubio
    Andy Martin

    In each case their parents were not naturalized citizens when they were born. There is a bit of a question mark over Rubio’s parents because I am not sure of their status as Cuban refugees.

    These names need to be hammered as ineligible.

    John McCain was eligible because there is an exception when the parents are on overseas diplomatic posting. To add to this point I had a recent conversation with an American woman in my home town here in Australia. She gave birth to a daughter. I overheard her telling her son that no his sister was not an Australian citizen because the US Embassy does not recognize the dual citizenship. I assume that she filled out birth documents at the Embassy rather than filling out the Australian forms.

    One thing to note is that here in Australia we do not have the baby footprint on the certificate of birth.

  85. Bob | March 2, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    Bob I doubt that it was your fault that Huckabee is such a screw up.

    I have alwasy said that Huckabee is the Republican equivalent of Jimmah Carter. He would make a terrible POTUS.

  86. Aussie…………….
    Some months back I believed that Huckabee, and Palin would be in the best position to utilise all of the FREE PR that they received via their exposure on FOXNEWS. Recently I have changed my mind a little to allow a greater consideration to a couple of others who I think are at least equal to Huckabee, and Palin. I in no way take anything from either of them,but in re examining what I see on the horizon, I am inclined to hang with the EXPERIENCED WARRIOR Colonel Allen West at this point. He has stated his case in NO UNCERTAIN terms. He has stood up and stated his case in the PUBLIC domain. But I temper this with the knowledge that ONE PERSON,is in fact ONE PERSON, and TALK IS CHEAP! When you are up against all three branches of our ALLEGED government, you need ALLIES who have both the intelligence to be verbally effective, and the intestinal fortitude to verbally execute their argument,within enemy held territory. Otherwise you will be overwhelmed, and”SQUELCHED”. While I think that Allen West should be in Congress for at least one term. if push comes to shove I could forego this requirement. I am presently doing a lot of research on CAIN. Sadly the lack of anything remarkable so far,tells me that he might NOT be REMARKABLE as a potential candidate for POTUS. I have not closed the door on him. I am continuing to research him along with several people who are better trained than myself, in the art of digging up INFORMATION. Hopefully my connections at our local Newspaper will have something about Cain that goes further than boardroom activity. I have still not learned why he is NO LONGER with Burger King. Nobody seems to want to discuss it. If anybody out there knows why and can so state it please do tell me.

  87. Bob …………….Ref5:36 PM
    Wouldn’t the lack of knowledge about our Constitution coming from somebody who should know the Constitution well, seem to be a GIVEAWAY about the truth. Wouldn’t the lack of knowledge regarding our alleged POTUS also say something as well? While Huckabee has a good show on Saturday nite I am wondering if he does anything to learn the truth about anything important………like the eligibility of our so called POTUS. Or does it really mean anything to him to begin with? His own words have left a great deal of doubt in my mind.

  88. Free Speech

    bo’s musbro Farrakhan is the reason that musbro bo has not taken action against their musbro friend Gaddafi.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=210444

    “President Obama,” Farrakhan said, “if you allow the Zionists to push you, to mount a military offensive against Gaddafi and you go in and kill him and his sons as you did with Saddam Hussein and his sons, I’m warning you this is a Libyan problem, let the Libyans solve their problem among themselves.” Farrakhan called Muammar Gaddafi “my brother” and “my friend.”

  89. Free Speech

    rinos cave in again and give bo exactly what he wanted.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/us/politics/03congress.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

    At the insistence of Republicans, the two-week measure would cut $4 billion in spending, eliminating eight programs that President Obama had also recommended be cut. It also reclaims some money that had been designated for projects that now will not be pursued because of the new Congress’s rule banning “earmarks.”

  90. Free Speech

    bo’s Gestapo TSA Thugs plan to body scan pedestrians.>/b>

    http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/03/02/docs-reveal-tsa-plan-to-body-scan-pedestrians-train-passengers/

    One project allocated to Northeastern University and Siemens would mount backscatter x-ray scanners and video cameras on roving vans, along with other cameras on buildings and utility poles, to monitor groups of pedestrians, assess what they carried, and even track their eye movements. In another program, the researchers were asked to develop a system of long range x-ray scanning to determine what metal objects an individual might have on his or her body at distances up to thirty feet.
    “This would allow them to take these technologies out of the airport and into other contexts like public streets, special events and ground transit,” says Ginger McCall, an attorney with EPIC. “It’s a clear violation of the fourth amendment that’s very invasive, not necessarily effective, and poses all the same radiation risks as the airport scans.”

  91. Huck on Bore_illy does a poor job of backing out of his gaff about Kenya. Emphasizes he believes the Hawaiian birth.

    Why is it we need to ‘believe’ the Hawaiian birth; I think we are entitled to evidence.

  92. Rosemary Woodhouse | March 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm |

    Thanks for clarifying your position. It was confusing to me as well.

  93. The Hawaiian birth is irrelevant. Mummy was too yojng to confer citizenship and daddy was not a citizen but did confer British citizenship.

    The meme needs to concentrate on citizenship of the father.

    Also, need more follow-up on the Indonesian connection with the name Soebarkkh as well as Soetoro.

    Østupid is intent upon covering up the Indondesian connection. Since the Indonesians are good at taking bribes I wonder how much was paid to the Indonesian Embassy in D.C. to deny the facts that have been found.

  94. I forgot to add that the Huckster needs to believe in the Virgin birth and stop worrying about an Hawaiian birth!!

  95. the latest from Libya indicates that Gadhafi is strafing his own people in Brega, where there has been a fierce battle, complete with aerial bombings:

  96. TEST

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