Tim Adams affidavit, No Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, No medical records Queens Medical Center Kapi’olani Medical Center

Tim Adams affidavit, No Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, No medical records Queens Medical Center Kapi’olani Medical Center

“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

From World Net daily January 24, 2011.

“Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

His position was senior elections clerk, overseeing a group of 50 to 60 employees responsible for verifying the identity of voters at the Absentee Ballot Office. It was in this capacity that Adams became aware of the search for Obama’s birth-certificate records.
“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”
In a recorded telephone interview, Adams told WND that it was common knowledge among election officials where he worked that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate could be found at the Hawaii Department of Health.

“My supervisor came and told me, ‘Of course, there’s no birth certificate. What? You stupid,'” Adams said. “She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn’t know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady.”

Moreover, Adams was told that neither Queens Memorial Hospital nor Kapi’olani Medical Center had any records of Obama’s birth at their medical facilities: “Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama’s birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961.”

“We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi’olani,” Adams stressed. “Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there.””

Read more:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C4eE2swz

I am calling for the immediate arrest and removal of the usurper Barack Hussein Obama from the White House.

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85 responses to “Tim Adams affidavit, No Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, No medical records Queens Medical Center Kapi’olani Medical Center

  1. BO committed fraud when he had his forged COLB posted on the internet and falsely alleged that his Long Form BC was on file in Hawaii. BO should be immediately indicted for fraud.

    Contact your congressman, senators, County Sheriff, DA, State Legislators, Governor, and County Grand Jury Foreman and demand that they indict and prosecute BO and all his local co-conspirators for the Birth Document Forgeries and Fraud.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html

  2. C.W.
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  3. The only question for Adams now is why swear to the truth now and not in 2008???
    Hell, I’d have been on every news station and talk radio in the U.S. if I had these goods on the fraud.

  4. “My supervisor came and told me, ‘Of course, there’s no birth certificate. What? You stupid,’” Adams said. “She usually spoke well, but in saying this she reverted to a Hawaiian dialect. I really didn’t know how to respond to that. She said it and just walked off. She was quite a powerful lady.”

    ———————————-
    BO and Gibbs and the Health Dept of Hawaii are all prima facie GUILTY of FRAUD.

  5. JJ | January 25, 2011 at 3:22 pm |

    “The only question for Adams now is why swear to the truth now’
    ———————————————-
    Because the Powers that Be have carefully gathered the evidence now to indict BO and his co-conspirators for their crimes.

  6. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-25/six-justices-will-attend-state-of-union-address-court-says.html

    … the Supreme Court’s spokeswoman, said that six justices are planning to attend tonight, though she wouldn’t specify which ones. Justice Samuel Alito is in Hawaii, and two other Republican-appointed justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, have strongly suggested in public comments that they won’t go.

  7. Guess who all is involved in Billions ,SLUSH FUND,found at VATICAN BANK

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  8. “FRIEND SAYS ABERCROMBIE TOLD HIM, “THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTICATE! (UPDATED)”

    By Jack Cashill
    January 25, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, “There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii.” After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has “got some egg in the face.”

    Read More Here:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/friend_says_abercrombie_to_him.html

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Excellent Comments:

    “All the evidence points to this:

    Zero’s real legal name is Barry Soetoro, since his adoption. He never reconfirmed his American citizenship at age 18 in the United States of America – after living in Indonesia with his second foreign parent Lolo Soetoro. Zero’s a current illegal alien & he used a foreign Indonesian passport to travel to Indonesia and Pakistan & obviously not a U.S. passport because he is not a documented legal U.S. citizen!!

    Zero never had a valid U.S. issued passport until he was able to receive a diplomatic one as Senator. 

    Born at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, modern day Kenya.

    Foreign born failure of jus solis, NBC requirement of U.S. Constitution. Usurper, fraud = jail time.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “By American Law he had to have asserted his American citizenship within 6 months of his 18th birthday, which he never did (USC 1483) and he traveled on an Indonesian passport at age 20 to Pakistan.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  9. JJ | January 25, 2011 at 3:22 pm |
    The only question for Adams now is why swear to the truth now and not in 2008???
    ____________________________________________________
    Because it’s all coming to a head right now. It’s out of our hands and the ptb’s are taking the ball now. There is a reason that things seem like they are reaching a “critical mass” right now.

  10. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/19/justice-antonin-scalia-state-union-juvenile-spectacle_n_785927.html


    WASHINGTON — In remarks to the conservative Federalist Society on Thursday night, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia decried the “juvenile spectacle” that is now the State of the Union address, saying he believes it is inappropriate for justices to attend the annual tradition.

    Comparing the gatherings to “cheerleading sessions,” Scalia said

  11. http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/sources-say-smackdown-of-obama-by-supreme-court-may-be-inevitable

    According to sources who watch the inner workings of the federal government, a smackdown of Barack Obama by the U.S. Supreme Court may be inevitable.

    Ever since Obama assumed the office of President, critics have hammered him on a number of Constitutional issues. Critics have complained that much if not all of Obama’s major initiatives run headlong into Constitutional roadblocks on the power of the federal government.

    The tongue-lashing clearly did not sit well with the Court, as demonstrated by Justice Sam Alito, who publicly shook his head and stated under his breath, ‘That’s not true,’ when Obama told a flat-out lie concerning the Court’s ruling.

    Continue reading on Examiner.com: Sources say smackdown of Obama by Supreme Court may be inevitable – National Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/sources-say-smackdown-of-obama-by-supreme-court-may-be-inevitable#ixzz1C5AWUDPj

  12. BO will soon learn the lesson that the Murdering of Federal Judge Roll by his Supporter the Arizona Killer Loughner is reprehensible to all Judges, with the possible exception of his fellow perverts.

  13. “JACK CASHILL SLAMS CONSERVATIVE MEDIA FOR NOT REPORTING OBAMA’S PAST: DISCUSSES THE EXPLOSIVE DETAILS ABOUT OBAMA’S MISSING BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    EXCELLENT Videos and Articles:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/jack-cashill-slams-conservative-media.html

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  14. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/24/chief-justice-state-union-alito-begs/


    Just one day before President Obama’s State of the Union address, it’s still not clear whether Chief Justice John Roberts will attend or, like high court colleague Justice Samuel Alito, skip the event.

  15. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/24/chief-justice-state-union-alito-begs/


    “To the extent the State of the Union has degenerated into a political pep rally, I’m not sure why we’re there,” Roberts said last March.

    Another factor that could play into his decision is U.S. District Judge John Roll’s murder during the Tucson shooting rampage. Roberts is the highest-ranking member of the federal judiciary and has twice publically noted Roll’s death, offering high praise for Roll’s service.


  16. “I don’t go because it has become so partisan,” Justice Clarence Thomas said to students in Florida last year just days after the State of the Union speech, which he did not attend. “And it’s very uncomfortable for a judge to sit there. There’s a lot that you don’t hear on TV: the catcalls, the whooping and hollering and under-the-breath comments. One of the consequences is now the court becomes part of the conversation, if you want to call it that, in the speeches. It’s just an example of why I don’t go.”

    Scalia was even more stinging in his critique.

    “It is a juvenile spectacle, and I resent being called upon to give it dignity, Justice Scalia told the Federalist Society in November. “It’s really not appropriate for the justices to be there.”

  17. Truth Now,
    You may find it interesting to research the “Empire of the City.” It follows with your recent postings and provides a theory for the role of the Vatican Bank. It is wild… but what isn’t?

    http://sovereignsentience.blogspot.com/2008/12/trinity-of-global-empire.html

  18. “FELLOWSHIP OF THE MINDS: 4 VERSIONS OF OBAMA’S CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH…………..ATLAS SHRUGS: A NEW TWIST IN OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE MYSTERY”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/fellowship-of-minds-4-versions-of.html

  19. Jacqlyn Smith

    Spread the word folks…an important conference if you can come…..

    Below is an email I received from a friend….this should be a great conference and one I would urge everyone to attend……just check out who the speakers are……awesome!

    Annual Conference Aims to Uncover Controversial Topics Banned by Major Media
    Conference will be hosted by Freedom Law School covering a wide range of controversial topics such as income tax hoax, 9/11 controversy, IRS fraud and much more. Conference starts February 18-21, 2011 at Ontario Airport Hotel in Ontario, California.

    January 18, 2011 — This time of year is one of the busiest for Freedom Law School as they prepare to put on their Annual Freedom Conference. Every year, its founder Peymon Mottahedeh, and a host of volunteers, spend many hours not only putting the event together, but arranging unique speakers that will educate the public to issues affecting Americans every day.

    Mr. Mottahedeh has had speakers covering a wide range of topics such as health, freedom, and the financial crisis. This year, with the shift of power going from one party to another, the American People told us that they are fed up with the way things are going in this country, and we are going to do something about it. This year, Mr. Mottahedeh will address just that.

    This year’s conference focuses on freedom, uncovering the truth, and exposing the true nature of what the corrupt politicians are trying to do to us. The Mass Media shifts aside these types of stories, but Freedom Law School will spread them for everyone to hear.

    This year’s conference is at the Hilton Ontario Airport Hotel in Ontario, California from February 18-21, 2011 (Friday to Monday). The main event and banquet dinners include speaking engagements by:

    Congressman James Trafficant – as a former Congressional Representative from Ohio, Mr. Trafficant will inform us how the United States is freefalling into an economic collapse of epic proportions, but there are remedies to fix this.
    Joe Banister – Ex-IRS Special Agent will share how he quit his job after the IRS failed to show any law requiring the average American to file and pay personal income tax.
    Sheriff Richard Mack – Richard Mack is the former Sheriff of Graham County, Arizona. He successfully defeated the Brady Bill Gun Control Law in the U.S. Supreme Court. He will share how the County Sheriff is America’s last line of defense against tyranny and oppression.
    William Rodriguez – National hero and the last survivor out of the North Tower will share his heroic story on how he saved hundreds of lives on 9/11.
    Stewart Rhodes – Founder and Director of the Oathkeepers, this Constitutional Attorney will share why we shouldn’t stand aside and just let the Government disarm America and strip Americans of our Constitutional rights.
    Adam Kokesh – Former U.S. Marine who served seven months in Fallujah, Iraq. He will share about his experiences there and how his time during the war shifted his ideology from Blind Patriot,to Revolutionary Winter Soldier against the current war in Iraq.

    Both Friday and Monday will have special all day classes with the President and Founder of Freedom Law School, Peymon Mottahedeh along with legal experts: Shawn O’Connor and Dave Wellington.
    The Friday class will cover the US Constitution and Income Tax, and how the law does NOT require the average American to file and pay an income tax.

    The Monday Home Mortgage class is a class no home owner should miss! It will enlighten you on how the banks have been defrauding home owners, and how you can prevent and stop a home foreclosure even if you stopped making monthly payments.

    For more information or to pre-register for the main event, banquets, or classes, please visit FreedomLawConference.org.

  20. I wonder if Justice Alito, vacationing in Hawaii, is interviewing Hawaiian officials about the long form American birth certificate that does not exist on file in Hawaiian records.

    Didn’t BHO say he registered for selective service when he turned 18?

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4428/exclusive-did-next-commander-in-chief-falsify-selective-service-registration-never-actually-register-obamas-draft-registration-raises-serious-questions/

  21. Jacqlyn Smith
    have the conference address this Billions ,SLUSH FUND,FOUND VITICAN BANK TOP POLITICIANS INVOLVED
    http://WWW.REPUBX.COM DISTURBING TO SAY THE LEAST

    ALSO GIVE THEM THIS INFORMATIVE SITE http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM

  22. Arizona Judge Stood Firm With Sheriff Mack
    http://falseflags.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/who-was-the-real-target-in-the-tuscon-shooting/

    During the hours following the Tucson tragedy, as the details slowly emerged and we learned that a relatively unknown congresswoman was seriously wounded and a federal judge had been among the six killed, many Americans wondered if there was a specific target and who that might have been. More importantly, why was Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) getting all the ink while Judge John Roll remained virtually unnamed for a whole day? In this business, we at AFP long ago learned to read the white part of the newspaper.

    We were in good company. Even Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul’s daily Internet news release was asking the same questions the following week. Next, former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack* came forward with illuminating information that none of us remembered: Judge Roll was one of the few “good guys” on the federal bench. He had ruled favorably in Mack’s case against the Brady Bill in 1994 when Mack had sued the federales for trying to force him and all the other sheriffs in America to do their work for them.

  23. Was the judge the REAL target?

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/154262?page=2

  24. Smoke and mirrors… while we worry about the BC, communist communities go up in all 50 states! Foreign Trade Zones…get use to the term.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/25/jb-campbell-foreign-trade-zones-2/

  25. SeriouslySickOfObama

    I am going to give SSOO time to respond if she is still interesting in fixing this problem. Then I will state my answer to “the question”.
    —————-
    My post to you is still in moderation three threads over! I am not sure what you think I can do, if asking everyone to respect each other, not read a comment and automatically think it is directed at you, I can not wave a magic wand, I did not come here to defend FS, you or anyone else here on this blog, EXCEPT CW and also, if anyone ever attacked ZACH, then you would see a side of me that you would not like, but, back to my main point, anyone posting my comments and using is at validation that I am giving them permission to continue bad behavior is mistaken, just like follow someone around demanding they sign a pledge is Wrong!!
    —————-
    As to the topic of the day, if this Gov. can not find the BC and swears it is not in Hawaii, then he must go and see Nancy P. and demand to see what she certified and if it is a Hawaii BC, then the Gov. needs to contact ISSA asap. Today, I have no only had blood work done to see if I am cancer free for another year, I have left messages for Issa, the Gove. of Hawaii, my state Gov. I find little time to rebuttal every statement on this blog bc I am fighting for this country in the only way I know I how. I have faxes ready to be sent to Boehner, Cantor, SCOTUS, Gov. of Hawaii, my Gov. Issa to show them the affidavit. What did you do today? That question is for everyone, I find a hundred ways to be part of the solution and not the problem.

  26. SSOO…What did I do today? I saved a life.

  27. SeriouslySickOfObama

    AMY, I LOVE THAT, THANK YOU!!! Are you in the medical field or just happen onto something?

  28. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/sources-say-smackdown-of-obama-by-supreme-court-may-be-inevitable

    ===============================

    Counterpoint / the rest of the story

    This is very old information and many of us believe it is not credible. Instead we believe that the USSC has had ample opportunity to address this issue and if they were really going to, they would have already. We do not like to see this posted again and again as if it were something new.

  29. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 4:55 pm |

    =============================

    Counterpoint / The rest of the story

    This was once a good question. Subsequent investigation reveals that this is almost certainly not the case. He appears to have been collateral damage. The shooter has not even been charged with this. We think it bears watching because more information may come to light. But as things sit right now, this is a non issue.

    We have also asked that this not be posted over and over. Every time it is posted people get excited that some new dramatic information has been found.

  30. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 5:33 pm |

    ================================

    Why do you think an anti-bullying pledge is wrong? People have asked us to settle our differences. The only difference we have is that I agree not to bully and he has not. What is wrong with this picture?

    It would also be very helpful if you told us all what you think that answer to the question is. I will tell you my answer and then we can compare notes. We may already be on the same page. If not, I think we can discuss it and get on the same page.

    If you and I were on the same page, then that is progress. One down and one to go.

  31. Cabby – Prairie – Paxton –

    I left you some stuff down below. I forgot which thread we were on.

  32. SeriouslySickOfObama

    CW, all other blogs are calling for a boycott of tonight’s speech and saying to watch it on youtube later so the networks do not get the ratings, LOL!! I wasn’t going to watch anyway, I have heard enough of his lies!!

    Also, my inbox is full with my other contacts saying the same thing, DO NOT WATCH!!

  33. OK, back to real work – – –

    Serious question for serious thinkers – totally different topic.

    I would post this over at Miss Tickly’s but I can’t. But sometimes she reads here or maybe someone knows how to shovel this to her.

    I have read the entire pertinent laws/regulations on the HI vital records. While they clearly indicate the need for privacy on some DOCUMENTS, and while it is self-obvious that it would be imprudent to issue certified and sealed BC’s to other than the indicated person – it is equally obvious that the legislature intended for AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE of the records to be publicly available.

    The releasable data not only includes whatever documents are not particularly sensitive, but ALL index data. This data AT A MINIMUM includes the names/titles of the documents, the dates of filings or revisions, and the individual responsible. The regulation also seems to imply that adding notes or retrieving documents is also part of this index data. Accountants and IT professionals will recognize this as “audit trail”.

    To-date nobody has received this index data. And not for lack of trying. Many of us have formally requested it. I believe the most you get back when requesting index data on the name Obama, is a list of two or three people with that name who have records on file. A far FAR cry from actual index data.

    Further, the regulation not only spells out how to request the data via hardcopy or electronic, but it specifies an address and place where you can go look for yourself. The image and paradigm conveyed is something entirely like a “card catalog” in a library. A mechanism to see what is available and then “ask at the reference desk” for it.

    In this day and age, the mechanism may be a book or a computer screen, rather than “cards” – the the idea is the same.

    Has anybody ever gone to that place and availed themselves of this service? I have never heard a report back form anyone like that? If not, why haven’t any of our local HI friends tried it?

  34. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle,
    Ask me one question that you want me to address? What is the most important question you have you want to resolve this?

  35. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 6:05 pm |

    This is probably the most important in that it will clear up the meaning of a critical word that has been thrown into the accusations:

    It is widely known that some of us think that CGJ’s are an unworkable idea and a diversion and dilution from the main point of attack. Further, that the suggestion that citizens (amateurs) do these things is dangerous.

    Now, here is the key question. You answer first and then I will give you my answer.

    Knowing that to be the case, FS posts and posts and drums and drums and pounds and pounds on this MULTIPLE TIMES every day. Do you think that should be characterized as “baiting” us?

  36. http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-supreme-court-state/2011/01/24/id/383774

    Will High Court Conservatives Boycott Obama?

    There is no Constitutional requirement for justices to attend the speech, and the fallout from the president’s attack on the independent judiciary will be obvious this year. Alito’s staff has already announced he has a prior commitment in Hawaii.

    Conservative Justice Clarence Thomas — who says justices hear “catcalls, the whooping and hollering and under-the-breath comments” — is an annual no-show at the State of the Union already.

    So is conservative jurist Antonin Scalia. He has called the event a “juvenile spectacle,” and adds: “… I resent being called upon to give it dignity.”

    That leaves only two conservatives who might attend: Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and frequent swing vote Justice Anthony Kennedy. Kennedy by nature has a moderate, thoughtful temperament. But it’s worth noting that he wrote the Citizens United opinion that Obama excoriated on national television.

    Roberts is no fan of the venue, either. Last year he said he was “very troubled” by the scene of justices sitting stone-faced as Democrats surrounded them cheering and jeering.

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Will High Court Conservatives Boycott Obama?
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!

  37. http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=591988

    Supreme Court justices set to boycott
    Obama’s State of the Union address as
    President opens his 2012 re-election bid

  38. I will be watching reruns of Law and Order at 9:00, keep educating the uninformed, stay safe, God Bless.

  39. MUST SEE!!!!!!!!!

    “FOIA APPEAL: EVIDENCE OF A COVER-UP THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE ILLEGALLY DESTROYED OBAMA’S MOTHER’S PASSPORT APPLICATION(S)”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/foia-appeal-evidence-of-cover-up-that.html#comment-form

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    “HOLLYWOOD REPORTER MIKE EVANS: GOVERNOR ABERCROMBIE TOLD ME THRE IS NO BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN HAWAII; ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF!”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/hawaii-hollywood-reporter-mike-evans.html

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  40. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 6:05 pm |

    ============================

    And then there is this I posted earlier today. I sifted through comments from the last several days and distilled these questions and conclusions. I am not really asking you to answer them, unless of course you want to. But you dropped in here with a self-avowed purpose of “making things better” – and clearing up things you thought were disrespectful of the purpose here and the man you admire.

    If I were you I would find this quite alarming. A sizable chunk of people here seem to have no clue as to proper rules of operation and blog etiquette. I know CW likes to imagine that we are all adults, but since you have no control or vetting process, that is probably a fairy tale conclusion. I don’t know, but given the confusion, perhaps even a simple statement in the masthead would have positive effect. “Discussion and debate encouraged – keep it civil – and no bullying”.

    ——————————–

    I have a VERY IMPORTANT and VERY SERIOUS question for you. It is the nature of a poll, really. I would welcome your answers and anyone else who would like to participate.

    1. Should we encourage or discourage commenters here to post their opinions and theories and questions?

    2. Should we encourage or discourage commenters here to analyze, critique, or add counterpoint, to other’s opinions and theories?

    3. Should we encourage or discourage commenters here to blast other commenters, lie about them, misquote them, and call them names and disparaging adjectives?

    —————-

    Here is my current sense from reading the various comments and responses recently:

    1. Almost everybody says “encourage”, with some occasional reservations on WHO the commenter is. It is amazing that in spite of all the fawning over “freedom of speech” there are some who are unsure on this one.

    2. This one seems to be a head-scratcher for most. But it becomes much easier when you consider a totally logically equivalent proposition. Does the first poster of a comment/topic get to own that topic, be the authority on that topic, and be the sole beacon of truth on that topic?

    3. Amazingly enough there seem to be a sizable slice of commenters who think it is OK to do all these things. I had hoped that this one would be self-obvious and achieve a 100% score of “discourage”. Perhaps someone can further enlighten me on why this is the case.

  41. Carlyle – I left you a post at the bottom of two threads ago. The “elevator” ascended quite quickly in the last several hours. Ha.

  42. All Patriots should follow the good example of Justices Scalia, Alito and Thomas and boycott BO’s obscene pep rally.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-supreme-court-state/2011/01/24/id/383774

  43. Carlyle – Sorry, it was just ONE thread below this one.

  44. “WH/media going on the offensive bigtime on issue. Has already started as you probably know. Talking very specific, very confrontational, very scary stuff here. Don’t wish to drag you into that. Much bigger fish are circling this. They can survive what could be coming. Not sure about me. Let the big players handle this now. This thing will either break out big or disappear. Apologize for past doubt/ridicule. There is something there. 100% certain of it. God help us.”

  45. I have a strong stomach, but not that strong.
    I will not watch it.
    Stuart Varney of Fox nailed it this afternoon.
    I will try to find a video or transcript.

  46. From insider at newsflavor

  47. citizenwells | January 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm |
    I have a strong stomach, but not that strong.
    I will not watch it.
    Stuart Varney of Fox nailed it this afternoon.
    I will try to find a video or transcript.

    —————————————-
    Ditto!

    I wish I had the Golf Channel so I could watch Rush’s Golf Lesson. I would rather watch SEWAGE decompose that to watch BO spew LIES from his FOUL MOUTH.

  48. citizenwells | January 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm |

    I have a strong stomach, but not that strong.
    I will not watch it.
    Stuart Varney of Fox nailed it this afternoon.
    I will try to find a video or transcript.

    ================================

    BINGO

    I have done everything and seen everything –
    (I mean in regards really gruesome stuff.)
    but even MY stomach is not this strong.

    There is not enough camphor in the world
    to put under my nose to keep me from retching.

    The only thing worse than his speech will be
    the media fawning over how wonderful it was.

  49. Free Speech | January 25, 2011 at 6:59 pm |

    I would rather watch SEWAGE decompose that to watch BO spew LIES from his FOUL MOUTH.

    =========================

    Thank you again dear sir. A brilliant use for your invective. Keep it coming and keep it pointed the right direction. We love it.

  50. SeriouslySickOfObama

    In my opinion, Free Speech was acting as an activists and thought posting over and over would make others want to join the cause and do something about it. Free Speech was not aware his numerous posts were costing CW money with bandwidth until I pointed that out, so he has agreed to stop that. I don’t believe he was baiting you in a way to piss anyone off, I believe he thinks most people rather blog about it then take action and do something about it. Free Speech did use words that in his responses that are words he uses in his own way of speaking to anyone such as nonsense, BS and after I ask him to use other words bc some people are offended by that, he did in fact stop. But, you are just as guilty with posting the same thing about the pledge and costing CW money with bandwidth, but you don’t see you are doing the same thing. Since I have spoken to FS, he has stopped his numerous posts, but you have not with the pledge idea. I do not want to offend you, but if you followed me around with that I would consider it cyber bullying. If you address someone that is doing something and showing them the reason they should not do what they are doing, such as bandwidth cost, names that others find offensive and then they do not stop, the CW should email them, address it with them in private and not PUBLIC LASHING of who is right or who is wrong. It is my opinion you were both wrong and now that FS is aware of how to speak to others or ignore comments he disagrees with, it should calm down the blog unless you, Carlyle keep on with the with posting what FS post. You were both wrong, IMHO!

  51. BREAKING FROM WND: “HAWAII OFFICIAL SWEARS: NO OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN HAWAII!! SIGNS AFFIDAVIT DECLARING LONG-FORM, HOSPITAL GENERATED DOCUMENT ABSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    Read More Here: “Hawaii Official Now Swears: No Obama Birth Certificate In Hawaii!!”

    http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C0c0HJxj http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=254401

  52. SeriouslySickOfObama

    CW,
    I am washing my hair, shaving my legs, cleaning my stove by pressing the self clean buttons, maybe dust my living room, I would rather do all these things than to listen to the Liar in Chief!! Oh, two of the justices will not be there, one is in Hawaii, LOL!

  53. Cabby – AZ | January 25, 2011 at 6:53 pm |

    Carlyle – Sorry, it was just ONE thread below this one.

    ==================================

    Got it – responded already. LPH has let loose with a few ripe ones today. They are a joy to watch. As long as we – all of us – keep our howitzers pointed “that a way” instead of “this a way” – we will all be fine.

    Things are getting really weird – out there – Obama-wise, I mean – GOD BLESS US, and GOD HELP US AS NEEDED!

    Something’s about to pop – – –

  54. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle, I don’t have the time to answer all your questions. I just came off a 12 treatment I have to do every Jan. for Breast Cancer Prevention. Today was my last day of treatment. I can not go back into the past of this blog and address every issue that went wrong, when and how. I only ask that when I started communicating on this blog again, that it would become a new beginning to stop the past issues and move forward. I don’t know what your bottom line is except you want FS banned, censored, what? You throw out all these questions and comments I lose what your really wanting in your translation. What do you want CW to do, what is it exactly you want from CW?

  55. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:04 pm |

    =====================================

    You address two issues together. I will separate them.

    1. As I understand it I agree with you. FS posting these things so frequently is extremely annoying. And I wish he would not do it. And I have asked him a number of times to quit doing it. HOWEVER – in the end, that is not my call and I must defer to what CW directs him to do. But your are absolutely right – annoying as it is – IT IS NOT BAITING. He has every right to express his opinion, just as I have a right to express my opinion. And I have every right to disagree with him as he has every right to disagree with me. THAT kind of dialog is how we ALL come to some truth and air out ideas and kick them around. It keeps us all honest and keeps from any one person – for whatever reason – claiming to be the final answer (“god”) on any topic. Furthermore, given the annoyance factor I maintain that what he has done is far worse than anything I have done in terms of posting opinions. Since I further say that he was not baiting me, then clearly I was not baiting him either. So maybe we can just flush that word from our vocabulary and all admit that it does not apply or enter the equation in any manner.

    2. I am still at a loss of your extreme (over?) reaction to “the pledge”. How is it even remotely wrong or irritating for anyone to ask a fellow disputant to foreswear attacking and bullying? That seems like the most reasonable and mild thing imaginable. Even if you did not want to single him out or pick on him – what is wrong with saying to everybody “Allright, positively absolutely no bullying or personal attacks!” I would have “said, yes, OK” and he would have said whatever. Why is that anathma to you?

  56. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:04 pm | In my opinion, Free Speech was acting as an activists and thought posting over and over would make others want to join the cause and do something about it. Free Speech was not aware his numerous posts were costing CW money with bandwidth until I pointed that out, so he has agreed to stop that. I don’t believe he was baiting you in a way to piss anyone off, I believe he thinks most people rather blog about it then take action and do something about it. Free Speech did use words that in his responses that are words he uses in his own way of speaking to anyone such as nonsense, BS and after I ask him to use other words bc some people are offended by that, he did in fact stop. But, you are just as guilty with posting the same thing about the pledge and costing CW money with bandwidth, but you don’t see you are doing the same thing. Since I have spoken to FS, he has stopped his numerous posts, but you have not with the pledge idea. I do not want to offend you, but if you followed me around with that I would consider it cyber bullying. If you address someone that is doing something and showing them the reason they should not do what they are doing, such as bandwidth cost, names that others find offensive and then they do not stop, the CW should email them, address it with them in private and not PUBLIC LASHING of who is right or who is wrong. It is my opinion you were both wrong and now that FS is aware of how to speak to others or ignore comments he disagrees with, it should calm down the blog unless you, Carlyle keep on with the with posting what FS post. You were both wrong, IMHO!

    —————————————
    Thanks for your suggestions, SSOB. It is so much easier simply to IGNORE. Then I don’t even have to bother with typing NONSENSE. LOL!

  57. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:04 pm |

    … ignore comments he disagrees with … unless you, Carlyle keep on with the with posting what FS post …

    =========================

    I touched on this above. I will address these specific words. I hope this is not what you said, but it seems so – so let me say:

    This is very wrong. It is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that commenters here weigh in on other people’s posts. This is the only way to conduct a debate or a discussion and arrive at any kind of understanding. You seem to miss the point entirely —

    The point is to do it in a civil manner without bullying or personally attacking people.

    Otherwise the blog become total anarchy and tyranny. The first one to post a topic then “owns” that topic, and is considered the “authority” on that topic, and “the sole truth”. That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Why is this so difficult. Educated people all over the world know how to debate and discuss and toss ideas around. How come it is only on this blog where there is a issue?

    And – for whatever it is worth – I am a trained and certified TQM and 6 Sigma meeting and brainstorming facilitator and have worked with some of the largest companies all over the country. I know what I am talking about. Further, in any group of over a few people there is almost always a bully and somebody who operates via personal attack via logic and reason. WE DON’T PUT UP WITH IT. NOT ONE SECOND. No matter how important they are, if they don’t shape up, they are dismissed. The success of the team is far more important than the ego or whatever of the single person.

    If you do not know what to do about the situation by now, or do not know how to advise CW, I am afraid I can’t help. I have tried my best to explain it thoroughly. The past history is important because if you don’t understand it you are doomed to repeat it. You cannot just start with a clean sheet of paper. You have to understand the genesis of the problem.

    I am on record as saying it cannot be “fixed”. But the one thing that has not been tried that might work is for CW to go on record (as I have suggested, maybe in the masthead) as to making this a bully-free and attack-free zone. If that does not work, I would say a direct spit in the face of the blog master’s explicit request probably warrants expulsion.

    As a professional, I fail to see why this needs to be so difficult.

  58. Citizen WElls,

    I appreciate you and your thoughtful reports.

    I wish I could find the rights words to say…

    you are so generous…

    I, for one, come to read what you have to say as I believe all things lead back to Chicago. I believe the crimes that transpired over the past 20 years and now commingle in the White House and all Branches may be the key to this undoing. The Conspiracy. The Theft. The deliberate mission to transform our Country and deprive natural born citizens of our birthrights, our treasure, our terrain and traditions is a plan coming to fruition.

    Thank you for keeping these issues in the spotlight day in, day out. Your work matters to me and I am grateful to you for your courage in being relentless in your pursuit for discussion. I often wonder where Evelyn Pringle is today… she is here, thanks to you.

    I wish with all my heart that your readers would respond to your headlines and the body of your work and offer input on the investigations. ~ Like one group of people sifting through the jigsaw pieces in putting together the final picture…

    Sincerely,

    Papoose

  59. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Ok, I will state without the permission of CW, as a PERSONAL FRIEND OF CW’s, WOULD EVERYONE STOP POSTING THE SAME THINGS unless you are mailing a check to CW to pay for the posting of the same post over and over, START COMMUNICATING IN A RESPECTFUL DEBATE AND NO ONE NEEDS TO TAKE A PLEDGE, JUST MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF DIGNITY, INTEGRITY AND RESPECT WHEN YOU DISAGREE. WE ARE ADULTS, WE SHOULD ALWAYS MAINTAIN THAT STATUS OF MATURITY AT ALL TIMES FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING AND NOT POSTING.

    IF ALL AGREE, SAY AMEN!!

  60. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm |

    ==============================

    AMEN and THANK YOU.

    If nobody bullies or attacks anyone, I will never mention this again.
    (And even if they do, unless it becomes a pattern, I will likewise maintain silence.)

  61. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:45 pm |

    Amen!

  62. Papoose | January 25, 2011 at 7:41 pm |

    I wish with all my heart that your readers would respond to your headlines and the body of your work and offer input on the investigations. ~ Like one group of people sifting through the jigsaw pieces in putting together the final picture…

    =========================

    Well put! That is EXACTLY what is needed. Debate discussion, spiraling to the truth and answers.

    And some of us have sharper tongues than others – we need to save our barbs for “deserving” outsiders, not amongst ourselves.

  63. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Carlyle,
    If you make the choice to answer someone’s comment, then you have made the choice to start an argument with that person. It is that simple. I did not say not to comment to anyone, I said if you feel someone is posting something you dislike ignore it, but you want to continue to keep going on and on about your right to rebuttal, then you are making the adult decision to continue an argument if it escalates to that level. You keep saying I am saying to ignore everyone you disagree with and not respond, I have not said that, I said, if you chose to respond you are choosing to create more disputes. This is an adult blog, I have ask everyone to act like adults. Debate is one thing, continuing down this road is just another way that you are keeping it going, IMHO!

  64. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Papoose,
    I deeply admire your words to CW!!
    Are you familiar with the WH insider? This man Ulsterman has he claims a WH insider saying exactly what you stated that all roads lead back to Chicago, which is what CW has said all along. I remember three years ago when CW ask me to follow the money, I did and found he is correct, the Chicago machine made this man, Barry. If you would like to go to this link, start with the first insider interview and up to today’s post and you will see, CW has been right about everything Obama from day one!!

    http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/white-house-insider-proceed-at-your-own-peril/

  65. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Dear Papoose,
    I deeply admire your words to CW!!
    Are you familiar with the WH insider? This man Ulsterman has he claims a WH insider saying exactly what you stated that all roads lead back to Chicago, which is what CW has said all along. I remember three years ago when CW ask me to follow the money, I did and found he is correct, the Chicago machine made this man, Barry. If you would like to go to this link, start with the first insider interview and up to today’s post and you will see, CW has been right about everything Obama from day one!!
    Google, ULSTERMAN and read his post!

  66. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Sorry, my posts are out of order, my laptop is rejecting our rainstorm and hiding from my DSL, LOL!

  67. SSOO…@ 5:45pm….. Yes, I am a nurse… Found a patient in her home in full cardiac arrest.. Got her heart started, gave her an aspirin, squad arrived. She’s in hospital now. They just put 3 stents in. She will be ok…

  68. About O’s State Of Union Address, I will be watching Fox News, as always.. His speech will be aired. I will be watching all the false promises come out of his mouth,so I will understand the responses afterwards, both Ryans and Bachman’s…I prefer seeing things first hand, when at all possible.

  69. SeriouslySickOfObama

    Amy,
    I deeply admire that!! Thank you for choosing a life of service in the health care field!! GOD BLESS YOU!!

  70. Hi everyone.

    I only comment once in a blue moon (I think I’m averaging 5 times a year, so far, having posted roughly ten times) , but I just want to say to Amy, I know you probably do many, many good things every day.

    You should be proud of all of them, not just the dramatic ‘life saving’ things.

    Little things you do every day may go un-noticed, but can can save lives. I hope you know that some of us recognize that.

    Also to SSOB, good luck and God Bless you as far as your cancer treatment goes. I’m coming out of my third phase of Chemo and Radiation, so I can make a good guess at what you’ve been through to get this far 🙂

    And finally to Carlyle. I don’t agree with everything you say, but your determination in attempting to stop the accusations of ‘OBOT!’ levelled against anyone who posts a question, or a response that isn’t immediately understood as being lock-step in accord with others hasn’t gone un-noticed.

  71. Dear Seriously Sick of Obama,

    yes, I am very aware of Ulsterman. I verify before I trust. There is something not right about those posts. There is no reason to hide.
    I say, show me. Don’t tell me.

    I am just as seriously sick of barky soetero as you.

    he’s a creep. and I am frightened beyond belief. Somedays I feel as though its a crime and a threat to be an American and profess my love and patriotism as it may be used against me for some odd reason.

    i hope i live to see the day he’s shackled in “stocks and bonds” in front of the White House so we may pass by and laugh in his commie face.

    Have a great night, SSO.

    ~~
    Lets show respect to CW in every way we can; let’s think about the purpose of this blog each and every time we invite ourselves to comment. Its only right. Let’s read and comprehend the headline before we submit. We owe that much as we are merely guests. Let’s respond directly to CW’s reports when we post our thoughts. This is a forum provided to us through the generosity of someone who cares about the State Of Tomorrow.

    proud to be a compatriot. gratefully, yours,

    Papoose

  72. SeriouslySickOfObama | January 25, 2011 at 7:57 pm |

    ===============================

    Disputes are fine. It is the name calling and attacks that must stop.

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  74. If there is so much proof that there is no birth certificate and that there has been a cover up in Hawaii,Why hasn`t an investigation be done? What is Issa waiting for? Why has not Obama been arrested? Why has not Pelosi been Investigated? What is the hold up? As usual, there will be no investigations. BUT I say this. I believe that the supreme court better start telling the truth, and start doing their job. This cover up has gone on long enough.Is this country being run by payoffs? Is that what the constitution all about? I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! The vote no longer means anything.

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