Neil Abercrombie, Big brother spokesman, Orwellian speak, Hawaii corruption much like Illinois corruption, Obama tied to both states

Neil Abercrombie, Big brother spokesman, Orwellian speak, Hawaii corruption much like Illinois corruption, Obama tied to both states

“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

Things we can depend on from the left. The end justifies the means. Orwellian lies as the means. And corruption. Two of the most corrupt states in the country, Illinois and Hawaii and Obama is closely tied to both states and their corruption.

Neil Abercrombie the newly elected Democrat Governor of Hawaii, is fast becoming the new Orwellian spokesperson for the Obama camp and the left. The LA Times, which did some honest reporting on Obama early in 2008, follows the Orwellian Pied Piper and regurgitates falsehoods from Abercrombie, FactCheck.org and other Obama mouthpieces.

“For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama ‘birthers’ is a top priority”

“Neil Abercrombie knew Barack Obama’s parents when the future president was born here in 1961, and he has been aggravated by the so-called birther movement, which alleges Obama was not born in the United States and thus should be expelled from office.

Now Abercrombie has an office of his own — he became governor of Hawaii on Dec. 6. — and he intends to do something about it.

What, exactly, is unclear. But in an interview this week at the state Capitol, he left little doubt that torpedoing the conspiracy theorists was a priority.

“What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons,” said Abercrombie, 72. “Maybe I’m the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’ ”

One of Abercrombie’s aides said the governor is voicing the frustration of many Hawaiians who continue to be troubled by the rumors, which they see as emblematic of the view that Hawaiians are not Americans in the same way as those who live in the continental United States.

Abercrombie’s Hawaiian pride may be trumping practical politics. Ample evidence has been produced to discredit the “birther” movement, so in the view of the White House, the Democratic governor’s comments are reviving an issue that most people see as resolved.

Although Abercrombie’s goal may be to support Obama, experts who study political extremism say the release of additional evidence would only perpetuate the conspiracy theory. They say people who embrace such theories are guided by suspicion and, therefore, view any contrary evidence as part of the conspiracy.”

“That June, the Obama campaign released a certificate of live birth, an official document from the Hawaii Health Department certifying the facts of a person’s birth, as proof of his birthplace. Investigations by two prominent fact-checking organizations, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org, concluded that the certificate was authentic. FactCheck also turned up a 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser marking the birth of a son to “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of Kalanianaole Hwy.”

But the Hawaii birth document, dated 2007 and generated at the request of the Obama campaign, was insufficient for some of Obama’s detractors. They demand the release of his original birth certificate, which in Hawaii is not a public record. Several lawsuits have been filed seeking to force Obama to disclose more information, but they have been routinely dismissed by courts.”

Read more:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama-birthers-20101224,0,3744847.story

Let’s examine the first piece of Orwellian spin by Abercrombie (with the help of the LA Times).

“Neil Abercrombie knew Barack Obama’s parents when the future president was born here in 1961”

My response:

People in Kenya knew Obama’s parents, so he must have been born there, applying that logic.

Second.

“Maybe I’m the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’ ”

My Response:

I was here when that baby was born. Does that mean Obama was born in NC?

Duh!

Third.

“That June, the Obama campaign released a certificate of live birth, an official document from the Hawaii Health Department certifying the facts of a person’s birth, as proof of his birthplace.”

My response:

First of all, the COLB posted on the internet is a certification not certificate. The one posted on the internet was never validated as having been issued by the state of Hawaii. And even if it had been, a HI COLB does not prove birth in Hawaii. It is as Lou Dobbs stated, a document that refers to another document.

Fourth.

“Investigations by two prominent fact-checking organizations, PolitiFact and FactCheck.org, concluded that the certificate was authentic.”

My response:

Would you trust securing the office of the presidency and upholding the US Constitution to these two FactCheck.org employees?

Fifth.

“FactCheck also turned up a 1961 birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser marking the birth of a son to “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama of Kalanianaole Hwy.””

My response:

Once again, we have more proof that a birth occurred, but not where.

To quote Kevin in the movie “Home Alone”

Hey you morons!

70 responses to “Neil Abercrombie, Big brother spokesman, Orwellian speak, Hawaii corruption much like Illinois corruption, Obama tied to both states

  1. Merry Christmas!

  2. Merry Christmas CW and everyone here!

  3. Merry Christmas everybody!!

  4. Hope everyone has a blessed and Merry Christmas. We have the possibility of a white Christmas here in SC.

  5. That commie is the biggest liar. He said that bo’s father was a native of Kenya. So, that right there disqualifies bo from being natural born. His top priority is to do more covering up and lying about bo and not releasing the real birth certificate to prove his claim.

  6. THANK YOU Citizen Wells for your relentless pursuit of the truth, and creating this place where we can all find the REAL news.

    May you all have a magical holiday with those you love the most.

    Merry Christmas!!!

  7. Merry Christmas, everyone! 🙂

  8. Merry Christmas everyone !!! Well I can look him in the eyes and tell him he is full of sheet, and to ignorant to boot. a Foreignor can not produce a Natural Born Citizen.

  9. From “The Obama File”:

    “Obama’s Life Beard”

    “I routinely refer to Hawaiian congress-critter Neil Abercrombie as Obama’s “life beard,” because Abercrombie is the only human being on the planet to put Barack Hussein Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham in the same room together. The first time that there was any documentation of a relationship between the two was in 1971, when Senior mysteriously showed up in Hawaii, “to attend to family business.”

    Neil Abercrombie has continually provided his imprimatur to the “legend of Barack and Stanley.” In July, 2009, Abercrombie attempted to sneak language into an innocuous resolution celebrating Hawaii’s statehood anniversary that affirmed Hawaii was Barack Obama’s birthplace. The measure was blocked by Rep. Michele Bachmann on the floor of the House.

    If he is elected governor of Hawaii, you can bet that all kinds of documentation supporting Obama’s fable-ific life story will be discovered, and anything prejudicial to Obama’s version of events or eligibility to serve as Commander-in-Chief will disappear — forever.”

    http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Senior.htm

  10. My wife visited our usual Wal Mart Superstore this morning very early. When she returned home she told me that it seems as though all the other people had the SAME idea. She arrived at Walmart in between 8:00 and 9:00 AM,and it was already a MADHOUSE. Perhaps a LOT of people waited right up to the very last minute. Fortunately she only needed to pick up some groceries. At any rate Christmas dinner would not be complete without my favorite WHITE wine.(Manichewitz Cream White Concord) Goes great with PORK LOIN, and English roast potatos. Anybody hungry yet? . I’m the only wine drinker here so I get to have whatever I want. I don’t wish anyone any bad luck but maybe we will all get lucky enough to see Soetoro step in a very big pile of doggy do.

  11. jbjd has written an article about Obama’s birth announcements.

    Regular readers of “jbjd” already know that documentary evidence available in the public record establishes Barack Obama stole the 2008 D Presidential nomination and then snookered a slight plurality of the American people into voting for him by tricking election officials in several states that require eligibility for office as a precondition to printing the candidate’s name on both primary and general election ballots, to print his name on the ballot, notwithstanding neither he nor anyone else who vouched he was qualified for office disclosed documentary evidence available in the public record that would establish, he is eligible for the job. But you might have missed this.

    Mr. Obama has begun wiping the 2008 slate clean, thereby announcing he intends to preserve the option to do this to us all over again in 2012.

    Way back in August 2009 I published an article on this blog entitled, RUMORS, LIES, and UNSUBSTANTIATED ‘FACTS’ in which I established that Annenberg Political FactCheck (“APFC”), the source often cited by members of Congress to their constituents whose work they wrongly assert has ‘proven’ the ‘fact’ Obama is a NBC, does not actually check facts. For example, I showed the image of a ‘newspaper birth announcement’ displayed on APFC’s web site which they accredited to the Honolulu Advertiser claiming the information they were posting on the APFC site had been uncovered by a “researcher” whose results an anonymous commenter then posted on the td (TexasDarlin) blog. Based only on this chain of custody, that is, unnamed researcher->anonymous blogger->td blog->APFC, APFC now opined that this image they had thus obtained proved Obama was born in HI. Just to be clear, clicking on the fourth hand image on APFC did not bring me to the work of this “researcher” or, to the birth announcement page of the edition of the Honolulu Advertiser APFC claimed was printed on “Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.” Instead, it took me back to the td blog.

    Yep; APFC claimed to authenticate Obama was born in HI with the use of an unauthenticated image of text they named “Obama’s birth announcement” only viewable through the aid of a computer screen.

    Well, since I first posted that article ‘outing’ APFC in August 2009, a couple of noteworthy changes have occurred. First, the Honolulu Advertiser is now the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. (The paper ceased publication in July 2010.)

    Second, APFC has amended that suspect link so that clicking on the image of that fake newspaper announcement posted on their blog now takes the reader not to the td blog but to the current front page of the recently formed Honolulu Star-Advertiser! (H/T azgo.)

    (APFC has posted several updates on that same page I referenced in my August 2009 expose. But, for some reason, while they note the date and reason for these other updates, they notably fail to mention they updated the link in the fake birth announcement image.)

    For those people who bother to verify such information, winding up at the site of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser would be enough to end their search and to assume the information posted on APFC was true. But we know better.

    If you try hard, you can find a link on the front page of the Honolulu Star-Advertiser to Archives from the old Honolulu Advertiser. However, this archive function only allows readers to trace articles back to 11.30.02. So, even if this fictional Obama birth announcement was real, readers still could not locate this birth announcement via the on-line Archives, anyway. If any birth announcements were published on Aug. 13, 1961, evidence of such publication might be found by researching microfiche or microfilm holdings of earlier publications. These could be ‘screen captured’ and posted on the APFC site. But they are not. (Maybe that’s because the State of HI Libraries keep no copies of the Honolulu Advertiser from way back then. http://www.state.hi.us/lrb/serials1/serialsh.html and http://ipac2.librarieshawaii.org:81/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=129F790MT7494.375&menu=search&aspect=basic_search&npp=10&ipp=20&spp=20&profile=main&ri=1&source=~!comres_train&index=.NK&term=honolulu+advertiser&x=9&y=8&aspect=basic_search)

    So, it would seem even with their surreptitious tweaking, APFC again clearly intended to provide inquiring minds with no verifiable evidence the old Honolulu Advertiser carried a birth announcement for Barack Obama on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961. On the contrary, if they had meant to support their claims with verifiable documentation, they could have given readers more information than just their word, now or the last time they pulled such tripe.

    Then again, why bother, when just their word was good enough to fool people the last time.

  12. CW, if you said nothing more than this, “Neil Abercrombie, Big brother spokesman, Orwellian speak, Hawaii corruption much like Illinois corruption, Obama tied to both states”, you’ve said enough to speak volumes. Then you proceed to succinctly analyze those several “pronouncements” and rip them to shreds. Excellent!! Superb talking points!

    We all sense that we are immediately facing the next wave to prepare the way for Obama in 2012. Oh, may God give us the wisdom and strength to stop him from even running again. Can the country stand another two years of his presidency? The trouble is that there are “none so blind as those who will not see”, and we seem to have an awful lot of those whose eyes are covered.

  13. To CW and all you wonderful Patriotic Constitutionalists who have kept up the good fight, may you have a Warm & Happy Merry Christmas.

    ms. helga

  14. Lt. Col. Terry Lakin Court Martial : Eyewitness Speaks Out
    US Naval Commander Charles Kerchner (Ret.) discusses his eyewitness account while attending the court martial of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin

  15. speedy @ 9:44,

    I agree.

    “Progressives” as of late have had a track record of being incredibly stupid (Sharpton’s baseless charge before the FCC that Rush is spewing flagrant racism, etc. comes to mind).

    Bringing up Zero’s Kenyan Daddy and his lack of legally admissable documentation before the public will only backfire on Abercrombie.

    How fortunate for us that they’re incredible idiots.

  16. Oh and by the way,

    Merry CHRIST’S Mass everybody,

    May the blessings of the TRUE Messiah be upon us all this coming New Year!

  17. Merry Christmas, 68Truthseeker!

    Here’s hoping folks can still tell us apart!

    🙂

  18. Merry Christmas to CW and to all of my friends and fellow patriots!
    May this be a time of blessing and renewal for all. I greatly appreciate the way we can share our thoughts and concerns with each other here. There is a wonderful sense of community, even though we have differences of opinions from time to time. That very fact authenticates the soundness of this blog and challenges us to THINK. Thanks to all, and may you have a blessed Christmas!

  19. We can’t even find out what grade he flunked out of school.
    ————————————————————–
    WHERE IS OBAMA’S COLLEGE GRADES ?

    WHERE IS OBAMA’S LAW LICENCE ?AND MICHELLE’S

    WHERE IS OBAMA’S BIRTH CERT. ?

    WHERE WAS OBAMA DURING DESERT STORM ?

    WHERE IS OBAMA’S PAST GIRLFRIENDS ?

    WHO’S YOUR DADDY OBAMA ?

  20. “Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie: discrediting anti-Obama ‘birthers’ is a top priority; Bring it on you Commie Scumbag, Got Citizen Parents!?”

    “For Obama’s eligibility being a “non-issue” it sure has Abercommie’s red panties in a wad. Hey Abercommie, while you’re at it, why not explain why your new Lt. Governor Brian Schatz, the former Democratic Party of Hawaii chairperson, signed Obama’s certificate of nomination with the “legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution” section removed!? Maybe you can also explain why there is no certificate number under the redacted section on the first COLB posted at the DailyKos and then at Obama’s website Fightthesmears!? And what about the different COLB posted at Factcheck!?”

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/hawaii-governor-neil-abercrombie.html

  21. Merry Christmas, Wells, Zach, Oldsalt, and everyone. Off to the kitchen to make some more reindeer poop. Good cookies!

  22. Sorry -OT Just heard Neil Boortz, conservative talk show host, claim that new Senator Marco Rubio of Fl. would be our next President. Is he trying to tease the Dems into stating he would not be eligible?? WHAT GIVES? Rubio’s parents are Cuban.

  23. Wishing you and your reader’s the Merriest of Christmas’ and most prosperous of New Years.

  24. Who would have believed three years ago, what we have learned these past two years. Three years ago we used to say, “This is America. It can’t happen here.” Now we end 2010 traumatized that the SCOTUS simply refused to hear Mario Apuzzo’s case on behalf of Kerchner, LTC Lakin was kangarooed in a military court, that in spite citizens fought passionately regarding Rahm Emanuel’s failure to prove residency–he is still permitted to run for mayor of Chicago, that the “crotch bomber has a better chance for a fair trial than Lakin, that main stream media remains deafeningly silent.

    Who would ever have imagined that in spite of all the Tea Party rallies, millions of letters and calls to our Congressmen, Senators, Assemblymen and the amazing Dem defeat this past November election that Obamacare, Food bill act S510, DADT, Financial control, more stimulus via extended unemployment benefits, the nationalization the GM, banks, Janet Napolitano (Beast of Bucharest) would make patriots terrorists, and children were told not to say “Merry Christmas” in schools NO ONE HEARD US.

    Let us hope we will be heard in 2011. May I be heard now–?

    MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO CITIZENWELLS AND ALL WHO POST AND VISIT HERE.

  25. Which Government Organization Was The First To Say, “Obama was born in Hawaii”?

    To anyone who thinks the answer is “The Hawaii State Department of Health”…

    Sorry, that answer is not a winner.

    And look at the role Neil Abercrombie played…

    Every member of Congress neglected their sworn oath and failed to support and defend the Constitution, including Section 3 of the 20th Amendment, which calls on them to take action if neither the President-elect nor Vice-President-elect qualify, so their is an implicit directive to first determine whether or not they qualify!

    Every member of the House of Representatives allowed themselves to get duped by Neil Abercrombie into voting for H.Res.593 and it’s unsubstantiated claim that “Obama was born in Hawaii”, which then becoming the legal basis for Dr. Fukino’s second news release.

  26. How the Obama Stole Christmas!

  27. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment, which calls on them to take action if neither the President-elect nor Vice-President-elect qualify, so their there is an implicit directive to first determine whether or not they qualify!

  28. Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?

    I think the answer is yes, based on

    Federal Rules of Evidence
    Rule 902. Self-authentication

    (10) Presumptions under Acts of Congress. Any signature, document, or other matter declared by Act of Congress to be presumptively or prima facie genuine or authentic.

    I guess it depends on whether a “Resolution” is considered an “Act” of Congress. If “Acts of Congress” are limited to actual bills that pass both houses and are signed by the President to become an official Act, then no. But if a simple “Resolution” of a single chamber of Congress is considered an “Act of Congress”, then yes.

    Members of Congress never inspected any original, initial vital record to verify the “Obama birth narrative”. They neglected their responsibilities under Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. They effectively “outsourced” those responsibilities to an unelected, unaccountable third party that has connections to Obama (via Annenberg). They Assumed that the fraudulent COLB which was shown to a small, select, controlled audience from Annenberg Political Fact Check was actually authentic.

    Members of Congress voted in favor of H.Res. 593 with the assumption that the COLB was authentic, and never realized that they were being played… they themselves were unknowingly becoming the ” prima facie” evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Did the State of Hawaii make the claim that “Obama was born in Hawaii” base on H.Res. 593 and not based on any hospital record of Obama’s birth in Hawaii? I think so.

    But now that Neil Abercrombie has become Governor, I have little doubt that new documents will be manufactured in Hawaii.

    But, even if documents are eventually produced to show that the Obama Birth Narrative is 100% true, that would prove that Obama was born a British subject, by both Natural Law and British law (The British Nationality Act 1948). And our Founders would not have considered someone born a British subject to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

  29. Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?

    I think the answer is yes, based on

    Federal Rules of Evidence
    Rule 902. Self-authentication

    (10) Presumptions under Acts of Congress. Any signature, document, or other matter declared by Act of Congress to be presumptively or prima facie genuine or authentic.

    I guess it depends on whether a “Resolution” is considered an “Act” of Congress. If “Acts of Congress” are limited to actual bills that pass both houses and are signed by the President to become an official Act, then no. But if a simple “Resolution” of a single chamber of Congress is considered an “Act of Congress”, then yes.

    Members of Congress never inspected any original, initial vital record to verify the “Obama birth narrative”. They neglected their responsibilities under Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. They effectively “outsourced” those responsibilities to an unelected, unaccountable third party that has connections to Obama (via Annenberg). They Assumed that the fraudulent COLB which was shown to a small, select, controlled audience from Annenberg Political Fact Check was actually authentic.

    Members of Congress voted in favor of H.Res. 593 with the assumption that the COLB was authentic, and never realized that they were being played… they themselves were unknowingly becoming the ” prima facie” evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Did the State of Hawaii make the claim that “Obama was born in Hawaii” base on H.Res. 593 and not based on any hospital record of Obama’s birth in Hawaii? I think so.

    But now that Neil Abercrombie has becomes Governor, I have little doubt that new documents will be manufactured in Hawaii. But even if documents are produced to show that the “Obama birth narrative” is 100% true, that will prove that Obama was born a British subject by both Natural Law and British law (The British Nationality Act 1948). And our Founders would never have considered someone born a British subject to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

  30. My comment is not posting, so I’ll break it up…

    Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?

    I think the answer is yes, based on

    Federal Rules of Evidence
    Rule 902. Self-authentication

    (10) Presumptions under Acts of Congress. Any signature, document, or other matter declared by Act of Congress to be presumptively or prima facie genuine or authentic.

  31. I’m having difficulty getting a comment to post, so I’ll break it up…

    Could H. RES. 593 be used as “prima facie” evidence by the State of Hawaii to issue Dr. Fukino’s second News Release and finally make the claim “Obama was born in Hawaii”?

    I think the answer is yes, based on

    Federal Rules of Evidence
    Rule 902. Self-authentication

    (10) Presumptions under Acts of Congress. Any signature, document, or other matter declared by Act of Congress to be presumptively or prima facie genuine or authentic.

  32. I guess it depends on whether a “Resolution” is considered an “Act” of Congress. If “Acts of Congress” are limited to actual bills that pass both houses and are signed by the President to become an official Act, then no. But if a simple “Resolution” of a single chamber of Congress is considered an “Act of Congress”, then yes.

    Members of Congress never inspected any original, initial vital record to verify the “Obama birth narrative”. They neglected their responsibilities under Section 3 of the 20th Amendment. They effectively “outsourced” those responsibilities to an unelected, unaccountable third party that has connections to Obama (via Annenberg). They Assumed that the fraudulent COLB which was shown to a small, select, controlled audience from Annenberg Political Fact Check was actually authentic.

    Members of Congress voted in favor of H.Res. 593 with the assumption that the COLB was authentic, and never realized that they were being played… they themselves were unknowingly becoming the ” prima facie” evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Did the State of Hawaii make the claim that “Obama was born in Hawaii” base on H.Res. 593 and not based on any hospital record of Obama’s birth in Hawaii? I think so.

    But now that Neil Abercrombie has becomes Governor, I have little doubt that new documents will be manufactured in Hawaii. But even if documents are produced to show that the “Obama birth narrative” is 100% true, that will prove that Obama was born a British subject by both Natural Law and British law (The British Nationality Act 1948). And our Founders would never have considered someone born a British subject to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.

  33. Merry Christmas to everyone, and that includes you Cabby.

    Be safe, stay away from salad bars (Sue K) and love each other.

    Peace

  34. itooktheredpill | December 24, 2010 at 3:14 pm |

    I guess it depends on whether a “Resolution” is considered an “Act” of Congress. If “Acts of Congress” are limited to actual bills that pass …
    __________________________________________
    I wrote this last week –

    ms.helga | December 17, 2010 at 11:25 am |

    Natural Born Citizen

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

    “On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood, including the text, “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”[71] The vote passed 378-0.[72]”

    This appears to prove that the Republicans were “snookered”

    EGGNOG TIME

  35. I have been reading..”Bonhoeffer” by Eric Metaxas. The comparisons of Nazi Germany in the early 30’s to what is happening here…so very much alike. Would the Christian pastors .. please WAKE UP and issue some warnings or your freedom in the pulpit will be non-existant!
    Merry Christmas to everyone!

  36. Merry Christmas Larry, et al.

  37. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

  38. Merry Christmas CW and the rest of the CW crowd.
    For those who live in Chicago, looks like an early Christmas present.

    Chicago elections board says Rahm a Windy City resident

    …The city where the dead vote now says a man who lived in Washington was actually living in Chicago, at least in his heart. The city’s Board of Election Commissioners ruled that Rahm Emanuel never intended to give up his residency status, even though he moved to DC for almost two years
    http://tinyurl.com/2f4tg2j

  39. Helen 3:17 PM
    Merry Christmas to everyone, and that includes you Cabby.
    ************************
    Same to you, too, Helen.

  40. Susan | December 24, 2010 at 4:09 pm |
    I have been reading..”Bonhoeffer” by Eric Metaxas. The comparisons of Nazi Germany in the early 30′s to what is happening here…so very much alike. Would the Christian pastors .. please WAKE UP and issue some warnings or your freedom in the pulpit will be non-existant!
    *******************************
    Some months ago I read a true story by a lady who lived as a teenager in Nazi Germany. The name of the book is, “Hitler’s Hell”, but I don’t remember the author right now. Her vivid recollections of the shift in the churches and the adulation of Hitler by many, spoke to me, too. I agree that we are seeing much of the same indifferent, silent attitude in most churches today, and the exultation of Obama in the classrooms today is much like that which occurred then.

  41. ms.helga | December 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm |
    Your mentioning Rubio as being considered a 2012 presidential candidate reminds me that today I read where Grover Norquist, a leading conservative who heads American Taxpayer Union, is referring to Bobby Jindal as a possible suitable contender in 2012. As far as we know he does not meet the NBC requirement either. Is this ignorance on the part of these spokesmen, or do they ascribe to some different interpretation than we do, or, possibly, are we living in an age when anything goes?

  42. Cabby – AZ | December 24, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    ______________________________________________

    I think they are trying to set the Dems up. “How can you say our man is not eligible when yours is definitely not?” I hope this doesn’t lead into an attempt of changing of the Constitution.

    Back to the Eggnog & Merry Christmas

  43. Cabbyaz………………..
    One blatant fact that Abercrombie,or anyone else cannot change is the fact that we now KNOW exactly what a LONG FORM BC should look like if ISSUED IN 1961. A birth certificate issued AFTER THE FACT WILL BE PHONEY. Either there WAS a long form BC issued,or there wasn’t They have NO WAY AROUND THAT FACT. If a CERTIFICATION olb was issued then there WAS NO LONG FORM BC.Simply correlate the known facts. Allegedly Soetoro was born Aug 4 1961, in not just one Hawaiian hospital but indeed TWO of the hospitals. He must be a magician or perhaps he was “BORN AGAIN”. Pardon the PUNN. G’nite all I’m out of here until sometime after tomorrow. Everybody enjoy yourselves and don’t overeat!

  44. wow this was really Eye Opening! Obama that guy… Nothing more to say about him
    Thanks for this!

    Oh yeah Merry christmas!

    Jeremy
    talk fusion

  45. oldsalt79 – The birth certificate issue can’t be made any plainer than you have at 6:07PM. Have a great weekend – Aloha! I’m going to be spending a quiet time tonight and tomorrow, since I got worn out Mon. eve. having a dinner party for 13, which included 8 kids. It has taken me all week to get back in shape and I’m still not there. “The old gray mare ain’t what she used to be.”

  46. Teresa…it’s Janet Nappytonto!!!

  47. Hi, itooktheredpill…haven’t heard from you in a loooong time…

    JJ

  48. ms.helga | December 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Sorry -OT Just heard Neil Boortz, conservative talk show host, claim that new Senator Marco Rubio of Fl. would be our next President. Is he trying to tease the Dems into stating he would not be eligible?? WHAT GIVES? Rubio’s parents are Cuban.

    Question for : itooktheredpill…
    When Rubio’s parents stepped on American soil from Cuba, were they not instant citizens??
    It’s different from entering via Mexican border, si?

  49. Congressional Research Service
    April 3, 2009
    MEMORANDUM
    Subject: Qualifications for the Office of President of the United States and Legal Challenges to the Eligibility of a Candidate.
    From: Jack Maskell
    Legislative Attorney
    American Law Division

    This memorandum was prepared to enable distribution to more than one
    Congressional office.
    This memorandum addresses inquiries from congressional offices regarding the constitutional qualifications for the office of President of the United States, and the issue of challenges concerning specifically the questioning of President Obama’s “natural born citizenship” status. Many of the inquiries have questioned why then-Senator, and now President, Obama has not had to produce an original, so called “long” version of a “birth certificate from the State of Hawaii, how federal candidates are “vetted” for qualifications generally, and have asked for an assessment of the various allegations and claims of non-eligibility status.
    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/obamas-eligibility-congresss-memo-revealed/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Wouldn’t this memo be evidence that the congressional members were coached or at the least evidence they had doubts too??

  50. CW and many other on this blog,
    Each and all, have a Merry Christmas. Rejoice for Jesus was born today!! I will say a prayer for Terrence Larkin today, and his family, and hope that somewhere in America others remember his sacrifice. I will say a prayer for this great country, hoping that it goes no further into tyranny and despotism. I say a prayer for those whom have served this country, that they be remembered for they sacrificed, but also what they gave to us all. I say a prayer for the progressives and democrats, perhaps they can learn to live without judging or impeding on others freedom. I say a prayer for those bloggers whom come here to learn and make informed decisions, that they be safe. I ask God to remember my family, and care for them all, and the other people that I serve in illness. As the New Year approaches I look for the strength of one vote in Nov. of 2010, one for remembering the core principles of American values of hard work, tolerance, innovative spirit, and God. The greatest gift is a God can give is himself, and the greatest gift a human can grant is freedom. God bless for this great day.

    Pete

  51. Merry Christmas!!!!

  52. Merry Christmas CW and all. I wish you all love, health and happiness in the new year. And may God continue to bless America.

  53. This is what happens when you start down the Lunatic Path. You start believing this sort of stuff and foaming at the mouth.

    ATHENS, Greece — A high-level priest on the morning show of the largest television station in Greece blamed world Jewry for Greece’s financial problems on Tuesday.

    The Metropolite of Piraeus Seraphim also blamed world Jewry for other ills in the country during his appearance on Mega TV.

    Mixing Freemasons with Jewish bankers such as Baron Rothschild and world Zionism, the Metropolite said that there is a conspiracy to enslave Greece and Christian Orthodoxy. He also accused international Zionism of trying to destroy the family unit by promoting one-parent families and same-sex marriages.

    Thirteen minutes into the program the Greek host asked the Metropolite, “Why do you disagree with Hitler’s policies? If they are doing all this, wasn’t he right in burning them?”

    The Metropolite answered, “Adolf Hitler was an instrument of world Zionism and was financed from the renowned Rothschild family with the sole purpose of convincing the Jews to leave the shores of Europe and go to Israel to establish the new Empire.”

    Jews such as “Rockefeller, Rothschild and Soros control the international banking system that controls globalization,” the Metropolite also said.

    The Metropolite of Piraeus Seraphim is not the only Greek priest with such extreme ideas, as Salonika’s Metropolite Anthimos also has preached similar ideas from his pulpit.

    “Watching and listening to the program, I felt disgust hearing the Metropolite of Piraeus expressing himself like that against world Zionism, and shamelessly saying that Hitler with the help of Jewish bankers did what he did,” said Benjamin Albala, president of the Athens Jewish community.

  54. Carlyle | December 24, 2010 at 10:13 pm |
    It is amazing how this stuff is growing new legs more and more frequently. Once folks are swept into this way of thinking it seems that the path of deception leads to increasing blindness. It is very dangerous to believe a lie, or even a half-truth, because of the further delusion it causes. The downward path seems to be irreversible most of the time.

    I believe there is good evidence that we will ultimately see a persecution of world Jewry that will make Hitler’s look mild. The groundwork has been in the process of being laid, and an aroused public needs a scapegoat when problems abound. The blame is shooting forth from around the world, and much more so recently in our own country. I weep.

  55. “Eligibility campaign confronts state lawmakers”

    “AUSTIN, Texas – Just in time for Gov. Rick Perry’s inauguration ceremonies next month and in support of legislation introduced into the legislature requiring all future presidential candidates to establish eligibility prior to getting on the ballot, a new billboard is up in the state capital asking, “Where’s the birth certificate?”

    Farah says his goal is to help persuade several state legislatures to pass simple, straightforward bills requiring eligibility tests for presidential candidates – especially for “natural born citizenship.”

    “As I have said many times, if Obama didn’t have something to hide, he would have long ago produced the original birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii August 4, 1961, as he claims,” said Farah. “Just such legislation is pending right now in Texas and is expected to be introduced in several other states in 2011. When that happens, I am firmly convinced Obama will decide not to run again. At that point, an investigation needs to be launched by Congress to determine whether he was ever eligible to serve and whether any of his initiatives and actions as president are legitimate.””

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=242721

  56. Terry thank you. You have our respect. The evil one won’t prevail. We won’t forget…

    Merry Christmas to all.

  57. This would be a good start. Merry Christmas!
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/23/we-the-people-to-open-next-congress/

    ‘We the people’ to open next Congress
    House to read Constitution
    By Stephen Dinan

    The Washington Times

    The Constitution frequently gets lip service in Congress, but House Republicans next year will make sure it gets a lot more than that – the new rules the incoming majority party proposed this week call for a full reading of the country’s founding document on the floor of the House on Jan. 6….

  58. Lakin trial did not resolve original issue
    Posted by Jack Minor • December 24, 2010

    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=7245

  59. Officer won’t sign order for troop indoctrination
    Asks to be relieved of command over repeal of ‘gay’ ban in military
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=243213

  60. Philo-Publius | December 25, 2010 at 10:12 am |
    Officer won’t sign order for troop indoctrination
    ****************************************
    Thanks for this link. Here is another officer who has the courage of his convictions; I believe that there will be others, too. This repeal of DADT is going to play havoc with order and discipline that are the hallmark of the best military in the world.

    I hate to start Christmas Day out like this, but this dastardly wimp in the WH wants desperately to weaken our armed forces. After all, when a country has a weak defense force, the entire country loses ground and becomes a third-world power. My heart aches for the others who will be forced to make a decision soon. Notice that even though the policy will not be fully implemented until down the road, sensitivity training classes will begin soon to acclimate our troops and break down any convictions they may have.

  61. Cabby – AZ | December 25, 2010 at 12:17 am |

    ===============================

    911 Truthers, pro-palestinians, those who ridiculously divide the jews into Good Jews and Bad Jews (the same ilk who wish to believe there are Moderate Muslims and Extreme Muslims), and to a certain extent those who did and do revel in supposed conspiracy theories about the Gulf Oil Disaster – these people on the lunatic fringe splatter their fairy dust on the rest of us and make us ALL look like space cadets.

    That is one of the major reasons we can get no traction.

    The concept of open dialog and free speech is one thing, but on a serious blog trying to achieve a specific purpose, you just can’t let yourself be infiltrated. Like it or not, there is a Lowest Common Denominator paradigm in-play.

    Hoping for more single-minded and laser-like focus next year!

  62. PS – – –

    As another example – consider the Rev Dr JDM.

    Some weeks ago now, he advertised that he had embraced the extreme form of the “truther” agenda – not the one that just says that the truth is still incomplete and unknown – but the one that says it was an inside job of the Neoconservatives and Mossad.

    At that point he became totally worthless. He is JOKE! He is a millstone around our necks that will drag us down. I don’t want to even hear him mentioned again. He has become an “enemy within”. RUN, don’t walk!

  63. Every time we see the left talk about Obama’s eligibility, they always talk about where he is born. They want to keep the discussion on WHERE he was born, to draw attention away from his British birth. The real Birth Certificate will confirm his DADDY, but we don’t need the BC for proof.
    The USURPER has always claimed he was born to a Kenyan British father. Obama admits he is not a NBC. His “certification of live birth” that he posted shows his Kenyan father. I wish the billboards around the country said “Obama born a British citizen”.
    Lets send our Reps a copy of John Jays letter to George Washington, which warned the first president about Obama.
    John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated 25 Jul 1787:
    “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the Americanarmy shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. ”
    Full copy of the original letter (with original signature) here:

    God bless our fight for freedom!

  64. Excerpt; USCA W OK civ 10-1345-C

    Count 4
    Declaratory Judgement 28 U.S.C. § 2201, §§ Rule 57
    Plaintiff incorporates by reference all of the foregoing allegations as if set forth herein at length.

    12. The issue of who is a “natural born citizen” in conformity with Article 2
    Section 1 Clause 5 is an issue of legal interpretation outside the Constitutional authority of the Congress and the Executive Branch.

    The judicial branch interprets the promulgated laws of this nation which may give rise to ‘cases and controversies’ and where no such statutes exist it rests upon the Courts to interpret the requirements of the Constitution when remedies are otherwise found lacking and yet deemed appropriate.

    In this instance it is the very fact of the proscription upon the Congress preventing promulgation of a ‘law’ which would provide a statutory definition upon the subject matter idiom when it is required that the Congress necessarily yields to the Separation of Powers when looking toward those Article‘s of the Executive.

    It is only by an Amendment could the Congress come close to asserting its imprimatur upon the idiom, however, lacking a ‘legal’ definition prior to an Amendment, then any definition given within such an Amendment would again become subject to judicial review, requiring the defining of the original definition, meaning and intent by the Judiciary in order to make the determination if the ‘Amended’ definition, meaning and intent is indeed Constitutional.

    The ‘cart’ has been hitched ‘before’ the horse on this issue far too long. This action is intended to place the elements of the question of the definition of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen in the proper order and context; i.e., in the 1st instant it is a ‘citizenship’ question with the ‘transient political aspect’ being secondary to its nature.

    It is not necessary for the Plaintiff to assert a definition, meaning and intent of the subject idiom, and, notwithstanding the documents attached to the N-600 Application for Certification of Citizenship indicating that Plaintiff is in conformity to the Constitutional usage of natural born Citizen and the statements and citations previously submitted in support of the assertion, Plaintiff makes no further assertions as to the ‘legal’ Constitutional

    definition, meaning and intent of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen, but rather, Plaintiff asserts that it is the duty and obligation of this court, under the Oaths of Office, to seek, determine, define and Declare the ‘legal’ Constitutional definition, meaning and intent of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen as found in Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the Constitution, while looking narrowly to the Founding Documents, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitutions of the various States and the Constitution its-self, acknowledging the lack of any Amendments or Statutes that may have abridged, enlarged and or modified the idiom in any way since the day it was written into the Clause of the Constitution, notwithstanding the repeal of the 1790 naturalization Act by the Congress of 1795 and various dicta found in Federal Court Opinions/Judgements.

    Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. 1 Cranch 137 pg 174;

    “It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to be without effect, ……”

    Elk Grove Unified School District et al v. Newdow, 542 U.S. 1 (2004).
    Justice O’Connor, concurring in the opinion;

    “There are no de minimis violations of the Constitution — no constitutional harms so slight that the courts are obliged to ignore them”.

    Insofar as Plaintiff is aware there have been no other ‘persons’ of any sort who have approached the Court seeking acknowledgement of the ‘legal’ Constitutional definition of the idiom of natural born Citizen, insofar as Citizenship is concerned, by way of Declaratory Judgement so that it may be compared to their own circumstances of citizenship condition.

    Plaintiff speculates that if the construction of the subject Clause were to read; ‘No one but a person selected from that portion of the citizenry that are the natural born Citizens SHALL be…..“ it would be more plain to comprehend the fundamental nature of the subject idiom to the Representative Republic and perhaps it would not have been left to this Plaintiff to ask the Constitutional question nor left to this Court to embrace or rebuff the effort.

    “The question of whether a statutory provision has a mandatory or directory character is one of statutory construction. . . . ‘Shall’ is considered presumptively mandatory unless there is something in the context or the character of the legislation which requires it to be looked at differently.”.

  65. Carlyle | December 25, 2010 at 1:37 pm |

    Agreed! Unfortunately, when I heard about Rev. JDM’s pronouncement, I can no longer have the trust I once had. His good message has been tarnished – weakened. This stuff becomes excess baggage, “off the point”, and can only hurt, not help, in remedying the present dilemma we are in. At best, it is a diversion – a distraction; at worst, it is, as you say, lunacy. If folks have real concerns over such diversionary matters, it would be prudent to hold them closer to the vest and keep them out of the public arena. They are fractionary when it comes to exorcising the usurper and tend to be very disruptive in related discussions.

  66. JJ | December 24, 2010 at 7:43 pm | Hi, itooktheredpill…haven’t heard from you in a loooong time…

    JJ

    JJ | December 24, 2010 at 7:57 pm | ms.helga | December 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm | Sorry -OT Just heard Neil Boortz, conservative talk show host, claim that new Senator Marco Rubio of Fl. would be our next President. Is he trying to tease the Dems into stating he would not be eligible?? WHAT GIVES? Rubio’s parents are Cuban.

    Question for : itooktheredpill…
    When Rubio’s parents stepped on American soil from Cuba, were they not instant citizens??
    It’s different from entering via Mexican border, si?

    Thanks for the shout-out. I’m not a regular here, but do support what you all are doing here. It’s interesting that your next comment quoted from
    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/obamas-eligibility-congresss-memo-revealed/
    … because WTPOTUS is one of the places I can be found more regularly. (I started that blog when TexasDarlin put her “blog on break”, and many of the people who used to be regulars at TexasDarlin can be found either at WTPOTUS or at DrKatesView.wordpress.com.

    This current CitizenWElls post reminds me of a somewhat similar post I wrote at WTPOTUS in response to Ed Morrissey’s views of “birthers”:

    Just the Facts, Ed

    In regards to your question about Rubio’s parents, I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think they became instant U.S. citizens, and I don’t think they were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, so even if he himself were born on U.S. soil, he would not be a “natural born citizen” by Natural Law. U.S. Citizen? Yes. Natural born U.S. Citizen? No.

    I don’t know where he stands on this issue, but he could potentially be an ideal person to raise the issue himself and bring light to the Constitutional issue and Natural Law meaning of “natural born citizen”.

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