End justifies the means, Elitist liberals know more than average Americans, Citizen Wells open thread, December 5, 2010

End justifies the means, Elitist liberals know more than average Americans

I do not pretend to be an expert on some subjects but I can ask questions. This morning, before my mind got preoccupied with details, I pondered a question. That is, since 2009, with Obama in the White House and Democrats controlling Congress, and their forcing an unpopular tax and control bill, aka, health care bill down the throats of the American people, and promising that unemployment would not rise above 8 percent with their initiative strategies, what happened to the health care of all of those people who lost jobs in that period?

The stated, reported unemployment rate, was just announced to be 9.8 percent. We all know that the real figure is much higher. That represents many millions of Americans who lost their jobs. Did they retain health care? If their only option was Cobra, it is very expensive.

I have friends and acquaintances of all ages and political persuasions. Some of them are otherwise intelligent, but tend to associate with the university or arts crowd who are for the most part extremely liberal, extremely brainwashed and in some cases have a entitlement mentality. Most are oblivious to the real Obama and, whether they are aware or not, believe that the end justifies the means. They have touted the health care bill without considering the way it was passed, the impact on the economy and ultimately the impact on our health care system.

So, once again I am curious, those of you who lost your jobs, in part to the end justifies the means mentality of the left and Obama wanting to add a narcissistic feather to his cap, has your health care improved?

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100 responses to “End justifies the means, Elitist liberals know more than average Americans, Citizen Wells open thread, December 5, 2010

  1. CW
    Since Obama has come into government, my health care diminished slightly. However the attitude of many in health care has become increasingly belligerent towards to patients. I had one incident where I went to be treated for a broken shoulder in which my privacy rights were totally violated. I was brought into an examining room with another male patient waiting in the same room. The aid began taking my temperature, asking me personal questions while the man was sitting and listening. I became uncomfortable and the aid why the man was there. She simply grinnned and made a funny noise but avoided the issue.

    To make a long story short, I wrote letters to the administration who explained to me they were short on help and had too many patients–yadda, yadda, yadda. If it was that bad before Obamacare got passed, I had no problem imagining how much worse it was going to become.

    My husband accidently cut himself with an exacto knife which required two stitches. I took him to the emergency room at our local hospital. We waited seven hours before he was finally seen by doctors and we were biller over $1200. Out of pure boredom, I started addressing the other people by asking them how they liked Obamacare in action. You would not believe how many people began defending Obama. You can guess their ethnic background.

    Obamacare, in my opinion, is an act of pure cruelty upon the citizens of a great and good country because the Muslims of the world have only one desire —that is to harm America.

  2. Charles Curran

    OT What’s the latest on the Berg lawsuit?

  3. Read this Wikileaks timeline and ask yourself who other than BO had a motive for WikiLeaks?

    A WikiLeaks timeline
    The National Post ^ | 11-28-10 | Post Media News

    Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 10:34:12 AM by FS11

    September 2008: Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin’s Yahoo email account is compromised by a member of Anonymous, an online group of hackers, in the final months of the presidential campaign. Personal emails are posted to WikiLeaks, and questions are raised about whether Palin used the personal account to flout public records laws.

    April 2010: A video of a U.S. Apache helicopter killing Iraqi civilians and two Reuters journalists is posted to WikiLeaks. While the U.S. had never denied that the civilians and journalists were killed, the graphic footage of the horrors of war quickly goes viral online.

    July 2010: WikiLeaks publishes 92,000 pages of U.S. military memos termed the Afghan War Diaries. Among the dump’s contents are reports confirming that members of Pakistan’s intelligence agency routinely met with Taliban fighters between 2004 and 2009, as well as field notes on mounting civilian casualties throughout Afghanistan.

    October 2010: Some 400,000 pages on the Iraq War that the Pentagon called “the largest leak of classified documents in its history” are posted by WikiLeaks. The group’s de facto spokesman, Julian Assange, says the documents show 15,000 civilian deaths previously unreported, as well as numerous instances of abuse of civilians at the hands of Iraqi security forces.

    Nov. 28, 2010: Through several mainstream media partners, WikiLeaks releases confidential U.S. diplomatic cables, frank assessment of various American allies, with some incriminating information about U.S. foreign activities. WikiLeaks says the information, to be followed by further releases later in the week, will contain “seven times” as many documents as October release.

  4. Assange was in league with Obama in helping him elect his cousin, the Marxist Odinga, as President in Kenya. During that election, that Obama (then Senator) was helping Odinga with and even bringing in some big name Democrat workers, some documents were released that were damning to Odinga, showing, among other things, he was involved in murders and supported Sharia law. After a lot of bloodshed on Odinga’s part, and Obama campaigning for Odinga, Assange rode in to Odinga’s rescue releasing hacked documents through Wikileaks about Odinga’s opponent. Odinga ended up winning.
    Sources:

    http://stanfordreview.org/article/barack-obamas-kenyan-connections

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/web/the-aussie-whos-changing-the-world/2008/07/08/1215282800995.html%22

  5. Something that I found out after recent surgery…. medical bills are negotiable. After I got home and began to receive bills from the hospital, the anesthetist, the X-Ray tech, etc., I sat down and began calling them. I told them that I would have to make monthly payments of $10.00 until they were paid in full. This would require that they carry me ob their books for several years. Then I told them that if they would discount the bills for cash, I would make arrangements to borrow the money and pay them off in ONE payment. They went for it. I got up to 50% off my bills.

  6. In case any of you missed this last night I am re posting this info from miss tickly, where she proves the seal on Obama’s “birth certificate” is a forgery.

    misstickly | December 4, 2010 at 2:55 pm | Reply

    I hope you guys don’t mind if I leave a link to a post here from my blog. It’s my first one in a very long time and I only published it today, so please let me know if you notice any glitches.

    The Hawaii Department of Health finally disclosed an image of their ‘departmental embossed seal’ to me through a UIPA request and not only did they do everything to try to keep from giving it to me–but *ahem* it is probably not what Obama voters imagined.=) Anyway, everything is in the post….thanks!

    http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/unveiling-the-hdoh-seal/

  7. Sometimes some of my fellow Americans only understand concepts if you explain it in terms of bucks (dollars). Say Obama was not potus, say he owned an outfit called Obama Enterprises Inc. and you were a vendor. Say he owed you $5o,000.00 and he said that he would pay you with an online image of a $50,000.00 bill. Would you accept that as a payment? I don’t think so. To stretch a point you could construe this image of a $50,000.00 bill as an IOU, but you could not to take that online image to a bank and cash it. COLB is the same thing an image.

  8. Free Speech @11:35 am |
    ” Assange was in league with Obama ”
    I beginning to wonder if Assange is also part of the cabal of queens, maybe that is why he knows the rape charges are bogus-not possible.

  9. RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, WikiLeaks did not “leak” anything. I don’t know who leaked it, but since there’s no mention of Obama and his administration, the regime, in any of these tens of thousands of documents, I’d have to say somebody in the regime leaked ‘em. But WikiLeaks did not leak ‘em. They just published ‘em. WikiLeaks is just a sponge, a useful idiot sitting there over in the UK and some disgruntled military guy in Afghanistan somehow has access to all of this and hands it over. …

    “…..Isn’t it amazing that 91,000 secret documents have been published and not one of them mentions the Obama regime? Not one! ……”

    RUSH: “….Obama clearly is not acting upset about it because the perception is it hurts America, and you got enough diplomats saying, “This is very devastating to American foreign policy,” which is the Obama idea. So in that sense he even likes it. There’s Eric Holder out there, this incompetent guy threatening to bring him up on charges. Big deal. We know that will never happen. Holder is still trying to secure a trial for the grand sheik mastermind of 9/11.”

    MORE: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/tools/search.member.html

  10. Here is a treasure trove of links of BO to WikiLeaks and other crimes.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637720/posts

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  12. bob strauss | December 5, 2010 at 12:31 pm |
    In case any of you missed this last night I am re posting this info from miss tickly, where she proves the seal on Obama’s “birth certificate” is a forgery.
    =============================
    Bob,
    I have reason to believe that MissTickly’s comparison is moot.
    Unlike MissTickly, I have actual family Hawaii COLBs and truthfully, the embossed imprint on my documents does appear to be almost identical to Obama’s seal that is pictured at factcheck.org (designated “The raised seal”).
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Oldsalt has personally seen one of my family COLBs. Maybe he will confirm that I do indeed hold an official Hawaii COLB, and that I am telling the truth when I say MissTickly’s comparison is moot.

    However, I do agree Obama’s “birth certificate” is a forgery. The glaring evidence that something is fishy can be seen without the benefit of forensic evidence. It has to do with the horizontal folds in the paper, are lack thereof.

    A freeper, with whom MissTickly has had heated discussions, recently posted photos of her own Hawaii birth certificate and COLB at Free Republic. Danae’s COLB clearly reveals the folds in her document, exactly like my documents.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2606951/posts?page=1545#1545

    Obama’s COLB was first posted at his website. Notice that there are no folds in the document. http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

    But they mysteriously appear later in the factcheck.org COLB
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Obviously, these photos are not of the same document. One or both COLBs are fakes. Why would Obama provide a fake COLB if he had a real one? The Hawaii DOH has never stated that the fightthesmears or factcheck COLBs were issued by their department. I wonder why

  13. I tried to send a copy of Obama’s forged birth document to Glen Beck but failed. If anyone knows how to send info to Beck or the Blaze feel free to do so.
    From miss tickly AKA terri K
    The Hawaii Department of Health finally disclosed an image of their ‘departmental embossed seal’ to me through a UIPA request and not only did they do everything to try to keep from giving it to me–but *ahem* it is probably not what Obama voters imagined.=) Anyway, everything is in the post….thanks!

    http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/unveiling-the-hdoh-seal/

  14. “I have reason to believe that MissTickly’s comparison is moot.”

    Desperate to get this message out much, Jonah the Obot. Has it occurred to you Obots yet that if the law authorizes disclosure of the image provided to me by the HDOH, then any other embossed impressions of other seals and their corresponding black & white drawings along with the rules that define them and govern their use are also authorized to be disclosed.

    Trust me when I say that it occurred to me, if you know what I mean. I take my responsibility to help oversee our government through Open Records Law seriously.

    You get what I am saying, bot?

    ALSO, I responded to your scam already, but here it is again:

    #
    misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 1:30 am |

    You are an anonymous person online. I am going with what the Department of Health provided me.

    You and the others pushing these fake seals are simply not credible in the face of the facts below from the update I just added to my blog. You can find the links to my citations there, too. Yes, I know who you are.

    You expose yourself in your attempt to discredit me and indisputable facts. If the seal on a vital record presented to an official failed to match when verified against what the HDOH provided them, it would be deemed worthless if not fraudulent.

    “[*Handy information about the Hawaii Department of Health’s uniform practices:]

    Dr. Fukino has authority over only one image, and it is the one they provided me and is described & attached to the agency administrative rules as ‘Exhibit A.’
    FACTS:

    • Typeface is a significant identifying feature of the seal. Obama’s is wide and bold, the HDOH seal lettering is condensed and a much lighter weight.

    • Present is a type treatment anomaly seen in the word ‘OF.’

    • Two stars are missing but described in those administration rules.

    Due to these indisputable facts, the seal on Obama’s COLB is not the HDOH seal and Dr. Fukino does not have authority over the seal appearing on Obama’s COLB according to the description in the Title 11 rules AND the version disclosed in my records request. The seal seen on Obama’s COLB HAS NO LEGAL WEIGHT either online or as a physical copy.

    Furthermore, agency rules are rightly called ‘regulations’ in that they make the operations and administrative practices UNIFORM. See the Chapter on Rulemaking from the Hawaii Revised Statutes, this one in particular:

    Ҥ91-2 Public information. (a) In addition to other rulemaking requirements imposed by law, each agency shall:

    (2) Adopt rules of practice, setting forth the nature and requirements of all formal and informal procedures available, and including a description of all forms and instructions used by the agency.”

    Obama’s seal is not uniform to the seal described in the Title 11 Administrative Rules but the one supplied to me directly by the HDOH is.

    Also worth noting is that only the Director of the Department of Health may issue a certified copy of a vital record. Therefore, all seals on all certified copies since 1988 should be uniform.

    There is no room for debate.”

    #
    misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 2:35 am |

    And one more thing Jonah: What part of the words ‘official seal’ do you think we don’t understand? There is only ONE official seal and isn’t on Obama’s COLB.

    It’s over. We know what the real seal looks like now. The gig is up.

    “HDOH Title 11-1 administrative rules: “§11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.

    a) The official seal of the department of health shall be circular in shape, two and one-fourth inches in diameter. At the curve on the top portion there shall be the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and at the curve on the bottom portion there shall be the words “STATE OF HAWAII .” At the curve on each side portion shall be a star. In the center of the seal shall be the Caduceus, a winged rod entwined with two serpents, which has long been recognized as a universal symbol of medicine. The Caduceus shall be encircled by an indentation, which shall separate it from the words “DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH” and “STATE OF HAWAII .” For illustrative purposes, a black and white drawing of the official seal is attached at the end of this section as Exhibit “A,” titled “Seal of the Department of Health,” and dated November 1, 1988, and made a part of this section.””

  15. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637794/posts

    WikiLeaks Dumps Clinton Wedding Docs
    Scrappleface ^ | 7-27-10 | Scott Ott

    Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29:10 PM by FS11

    (2010-07-27) — Despite upbeat official assessments of the progress of Chelsea Clinton’s wedding plans, scores of documents just released by WikiLeaks reveal a starkly different picture behind the scenes.

    The disclosure of “sensitive information” comes just days after WikiLeaks made public 92,000 secret U.S. military documents related to the war in Afghanistan.

    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said he felt a “moral obligation” to release the Clinton wedding papers, which reportedly cover everything from disagreements over rules of engagement, to specific intel about targeting ‘drones’ on the guest list.

  16. Forgive me for my compulsion to correct the first two sentences from my last comment by ending them properly with question marks:

    “Desperate to get this message out much, Jonah the Obot? Has it occurred to you Obots yet that if the law authorizes disclosure of the image provided to me by the HDOH, then any other embossed impressions of other seals and their corresponding black & white drawings along with the rules that define them and govern their use are also authorized to be disclosed?

    Trust me when I say that it occurred to me, if you know what I mean. I take my responsibility to help oversee our government through Open Records Law seriously.

    You get what I am saying, bot?”

  17. Can anyone call Julian Assange, and inquire if he has anything dealing with the eligibility? We have waited 2 1/2 years already, and we need this nightmare to end.

  18. Wiki-gate Links of BO to WikiLeaks:

    http://www.nachumlist.com/Wiki-gate.htm

  19. miss tickly, thanks for your research, and honesty, in the quest to expose the fraud, and the obots, I had no idea that Jonah was an obot.

    Your post about the seal on Obama’s “COLB” is the biggest bombshell to hit the internet. I hope it goes viral, and results in the arrest, and conviction of all guilty parties.

  20. Miss Tickly; I noticed the lack of legibility of the raised seal on the Factcheck version over 2 years ago; thanks for quantifying my suspicions and the differences between official and forged.

  21. misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 2:27 pm |
    ==============================================
    I have been a daily visitor at citizenwells for over two years and no one has ever considered me an obot. As I remember you were removed from here a while back.

    I do agree with you that the seal that the HDOH gave you in no way resembles the Obama seal. It doesn’t resemble the seal on my certified copies of family members’ COLBs either. As I said, the seal on my documents very closely resembles Obama’s. Factcheck has removed the closeup of the seal from their website but it is still available to view here…………….
    See Hawaii State Seal image
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/not_born_in_hawaii/

    My certified COLBs look almost identical to that seal. I am not legitimizing his document, only saying that comparing that image you have to Obama’s COLB is highly disputable and in no way proves its lack of validity. Comparison with an official COLB is more desirable.

    Keep in mind that the Hawaii State Seal isn’t necessarily identical to the HDOH seal. Obviously the state seal would not carry a caduceus, a symbol of the medical profession. Did HDOH confirm to you that they certify birth documents with the state imprint seal or the HDOH imprint?

    I have good reason to believe that Obama’s COLB is a fake so we both agree on that.

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  23. Thank you, bob. It’s time to stick together and have confidence in what we know to be true and reasonable. All seals should be uniform in style and application. State agencies must operate openly under uniform rules.

    Yes, Jonah particularly comes of nice as pie for an Obot. But he/she is an Obot, none-the-less.

    It’s time to stop playing nice though and aggressively call them out. This IS a bombshell story because the very thing that authenticates Obama’s COLB as legal and valid, does not conform to the image provided to me by the HDOH which they expressly stated is the embossed OFFICIAL SEAL of the Hawaii Department of Health. The ONLY seal mentioned in their departmental regulations.

    BTW, if an agency does not have records requested under the UIPA, for example–oh, I don’t know…maybe the SEAL from Obama’s COLB or any other seen in the COLB images online, they are required BY LAW to tell the requester.

    It’s called Open Government and I thank the thinking-lawmakers who came up with the idea.
    And don’t be confused if we find that the HDOH did issue the record Obama posted. They may have, but, it was NOT certified by the HDOH.

    Personally, I suspect he may have posted a ‘verification’ not a ‘certified copy’ of his birth certificate (short or long), which shall be considered a ‘certification’ (as in ‘Certification of Live Birth’ maybe?) and described here:

    “[§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy.

    (b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.” (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0014_0003.htm)”

    Or, perhaps what we see is some kind of abstract uncertified copy of a ‘Late Certificate of Birth,’ which, BTW, expressly states that it is not valid UNTIL it is accepted by the State Registrar. (http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/delayed-birth-certificate-and-foreign-birth-forms.pdf) And we all know that Obama’s COLB does not state it was accepted by the State Registrar.

  24. “Obama’s Certificate of LIve Birth (COLB)” page at “The Obama File”
    ————
    “The Beginning — The Daily Kos & AsperGirl”

    “When the Daily Kos posted the now-infamous Certification of Live Birth (COLB) image along with a cover story on June 12, 2008, the Kos received 648 comments in a span of only 24 hours, of which the first 644 were about the most insipid, lame, and mindless reactions ever accumulated in one place.

    The fake “birth certificate” just appeared Thursday morning on dailykos without any reference as to who released it or where it came from.”

    http://www.theobamafile.com/obamacolb.htm

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  26. “Keep in mind that the Hawaii State Seal isn’t necessarily identical to the HDOH seal.”

    The Hawaii Department of Health authenticates their certificates with the Department Seal, NOT the State Seal. Clearly all the COLBs online including Obama’s state “Department of Health.”

    Ҥ11-1-2 Seal of the department of health.
    (c) The seal of the department of health may also be reproduced, in either an enlarged or a reduced size, on official stationery, reports, certificates,
    equipment, supplies, uniform insignia, and other objects and items to be used or produced by the department of health, but the reproduction and use of the seal shall always be subject to the exclusive control of the director of health.” (http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-1.pdf)

    IF you are just very confused about what you do see on your family’s COLBs, and it appears you are, and you are not an Obot plant–I very much apologize, for jumping the gun. However, anyone insisting they know better about the practices of the HDOH in their use of the department seal than Dr. Fukino, the Director of the HDOH–is really opening themselves up for criticism.

    Because it is very clear you are confused about which seal is used for certification (the state seal appears at the top in ink) I apologize to you ,and only you, for calling you an Obot.

    But, let me say, you are wrong about what you think you have seen.

  27. Margie | December 5, 2010 at 2:31 pm |

    Margie,

    If you’ve been following along here at CW and other factual blogs and news outlets, the consensus is that Assange is in on the whole thing. I found it interesting to watch the rest of the world throw a hissy fit upon the release of this information, while the White House was curiously silent; no press conference called by ‘Miss Gibbs’ (as OldSalt puts it) to try to diffuse the situation. Nothing.

    This leads me to believe the WH either sanctioned the release, or had a hand in it; a very big hand. I believe the whole release was perpetrated to discredit Hillary and ruin her chances for a 2012 Presidential run. Now, she’s saying that her Secretary of State position if the last public office in which she’ll serve so if the release was indeed done for that reason, it succeeded.

    Just my gut feeling…

  28. Let it be known that anyone telling me or others to put faith in something other than what the HDOH provided for comparison, is very likely to get called an Obot, whether they are or not.

    No reasonable person can expect people to do such a thing.

  29. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637824/posts

    WikiLeaks cables: Barack Obama is a bigger danger
    The Guardian ^ | 12-5-10 | Ambassador John Bolton

    Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:13:20 PM by FS11

    WikiLeaks has yet again flooded the internet with thousands of classified American documents, this time state department cables. More troubling than WikiLeaks’ latest revelation of US secrets, however, is the Obama administration’s weak, wrong-headed and erratic response. Unfortunately, the administration has acted consistently with its demonstrated unwillingness to assert and defend US interests across a wide range of threats, such as Iran and North Korea, which, ironically, the leaked cables amply document.

  30. Misstickly,
    Very good to hear from you again!! I hope all is well with your family. BTW, you had me with released images of the official seal and Obama’s colb don’t match. LOL Further, I have know this was a forgery for a long time, as does everyone else whom took the time to look read and research it. Further, an ‘expert witness’ whom has testified on digital photos confirmed the COLB had evidence of tampering and wasn’t a clean scanned image. The COLB drama is far more than just about Obama, from what I read, it has to do with the State of Hawaii, Fraud, SS fraud, and Federal cover-up of state fraud. Basically, outing Obama exposes deep corruption beyond just Obama and the DNC. I suspect the full resources of the Federal Government and agencies are behind the cover-up. Somewhere, right now some liberal/progressive/communist elitist (some call them Obots) is either saying that ‘your research is fake/distorted…..or we the people can’t handle the truth’ or perhaps both.
    Pete

  31. By leaking State Department Cables BO has made himself public enemy #1 of all Diplomats worldwide and subjected himself for a lawsuit to legally remove him from office directly before SCOTUS.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html

  32. Jonah,

    This is the link to the Public Health Statistics Regulations 8, 8A, 8B and they expressly state the following on page 19 of the pdf:

    8B 2.4 (B.) (1) (b)
    Form of certification. Standard certified copies shall contain an appropriate certification statement over the signature of the registrar having custody of the record and be impress with the raised seal of the issuing office….”

    Since 8B 2.4 (A.) (1)–also on page 19 of the pdf–states that only the Director of Health shall issue certified copies of a vital record, the Department of Health seal is the ONLY seal the Director of Health is authorized to use.

    http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8%208A%20B%20VR%20Admin%20Rules.pdf

  33. Pete,

    Thank you for your reply, your words give me encouragement to fight the good fight.

  34. And so you know, Jonah…Danae’s COLB does not bear the official seal of the HDOH.

    And that’s the end of that.

  35. Correction:

    “Form of certification. Standard certified copies shall contain an appropriate certification statement over the signature of the registrar having custody of the record and be impressED with the raised seal of the issuing office….”

    (I had to key this in myself because the pdf did not contain live text.)

  36. By leaking State Department Cables, BO has made himself public enemy #1 of all Diplomats worldwide and subjected himself to a lawsuit to legally remove him from office directly before SCOTUS.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html

  37. misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 3:46 pm |
    But, let me say, you are wrong about what you think you have seen
    =================================
    My, what a condescending attitude! How dare you tell me what I know and what I’ve seen! I am a person of very few words but someone asked for thoughts about your post and I replied with facts. Then you come here and start ranting and raving . You obviously are steering people to your new website. And why is it you make comments here and free republic and other places but you don’t allow comments on your own website?

    RE: “only the Director of Health shall issue certified copies of a vital record, the Department of Health seal is the ONLY seal the Director of Health is authorized to use”.
    I repeat, my documents and Obama’s show the signature of Alvin T. Onake, Ph.D., STATE REGISTRAR, not the signature of the DIRECTOR OF HEALTH.

    Danae’s COLB may not have been certified but my documents are. That’s a fact whether you choose believe it or not. And I agree, the embossed imprint looks nothing like your black and white seal.

    Most of the good people here are discerning and think for themselves so they can believe what they want. I have reason to believe that your HDOH seal proves nothing. That’s my opinion. Rant on all you want. I have seen too many chit disturbers here on citizenwells and I refuse to succumb to wasting time and space to bickering with you.

  38. Facts are facts, Jonah.

    You’re back on the possible Obot list.

    Onaka’s the state Registrar with custody of the certificate, he is not authorized to issue a certified copy, but he is authorized to withold one.

    Why don’t you authorize Dr. Fukino to disclose me (as ‘MissTickly–she knows me by this moniker) a certified copy of one of your COLB bearing the same seal found on Obama’s COLB–with whatever information you want redacted–and I will gladly pay for it.

    K?

  39. Jonah | December 5, 2010 at 5:02 pm | misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 3:46 pm |

    By leaking State Department Cables, BO has made himself public enemy #1 of all Diplomats worldwide and subjected himself to a lawsuit to legally remove him from office directly before SCOTUS.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html

  40. Jonah | December 5, 2010 at 5:02 pm |
    Jonah, I have read enough of your posts to know that you are a sound thinking person, who is patriotic and seeks the truth. Regardless of the “bombshell” that misstickly has uncovered, your research and factual information should not be ignored even if it seemingly contradicts his/her recent findings. When there is an earnest search for the truth, a good investigator doesn’t just dismiss other apparently opposite info but rather seeks to reconcile them. There is always a tendency in human nature to feel that we have clinched the deal, when there still may be much more to come. Just my thoughts.

  41. Again Jonah:

    “Form of certification. Standard certified copies shall contain an appropriate certification statement over the signature of the registrar having custody of the record and be impressED with the raised seal of the issuing office….”

    Onaka is the State Registrar having custody of State Accepted vital records and Dr. Fukino is the Director of Health, his boss, who is authorized to ISSUE copies certified BY him.

  42. “When there is an earnest search for the truth, a good investigator doesn’t just dismiss other apparently opposite info but rather seeks to reconcile them.”

    And I cannot reconcile what Jonah is saying. I am through arguing with Obot plants. I know they work in groups.

  43. misstickly 5:14 PM
    Facts are facts, Jonah.

    You’re back on the possible Obot list.
    ********************************
    Jonah has been posting here for a long time and she is NOT an Obot! Throwing that label around the way you do does not help your credibility as far as I’m concerned.

  44. If I have to step on some toes, so be it.

    Hawaii disclosed their official seal and it is not the one found on Obama’s COLB.

    Take your credibility issues up with them in your own UIPA request. I provided the proof. The burden is on YOU to PROVE the Hawaii Department of Health issues certified copies bearing Obama’s COLB seal.

    The end. Have a nice evening.=)

  45. Concerning WikiLeaks…………………

    I think that Mike Huckabee got it right!

    ” If we want to keep our nation’s secrets ‘Secret,’ store them where
    President Obama ‘stores’ his college transcripts and birth certificate.”

  46. SueK… yes it was just wishful thinking, kinda like wanting to believe in Santa Claus…which I do, he just lost my address…

  47. Margie | December 5, 2010 at 5:39 pm |

    Just my take on it, Margie; I’m sure others have opinions, as well. Bottom line is with everything that’s happening, no one knows the truth about anything anymore!

    I texted Santa this year to make sure he had my house on his radar and he does. After he’s finished here, I’ll send him over to your place :).

  48. Look at the seal at the 47 second mark in this video, it is just like the one misstickly posted from the state of Hawaii Dept of Health.

    Note: the word OF is capitalized, and the stars are at 3 oclock, and 9 oclock.

  49. Soros ,Obama’s boss NOW RUNNING AMERICA NEED TO GET HIM OUT OF AMERICA,DESTROYED SEVERAL ECONOMIES WORLDWIDE

    NEW ARTICLE SCROLL DOWN http://WWW.COMMIEBLASTER.COM

  50. What good is it arguing about whether the correct seal was used on a forged document ?. The document is not a long form BC as required by law . We all know to be a NBC as required by the US Constitution both parents must be US citizens or by some theories the Father must be a US citizen .

    Mr. Soetoro has dual citizenship , multiple SS# , multiple aliases, associated with groups and persons that planned the overthrow of the US government, treason , criminal background , etc and you’re worried about a seal ?.

  51. For anyone thinking that Obama posted as his birth certificate, like Glen Beck,or Bill O Rielly, this just shows what they said was real is a proven forgery, with a forged seal as evidence. Against these criminals you need every piece of evidence you can get your hands on.

  52. misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm |

    Thank you TerriK. I’ve always liked you….

  53. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637923/posts

    Just what does Julian Assange want?
    The Guardian ^ | 12-5-10 | Theo Brainin

    Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12:12 PM by FS11

    In interviews, and in articles by Assange now circulating on the web, the WikiLeaks leader is painting a picture of his underlying purpose. It is not a pretty one.

    Assange writes of turning counter-terrorism on its head, to target the “authoritarian” regimes that practise it. He views such regimes as vast conspiratorial networks, communicating secretly, safe in the ignorance of their citizens. The secrecy, he reasons, is there because these regimes would face opposition if they communicated openly – and if a regime wasn’t authoritarian, why on earth would it need to keep secrets?

  54. Lets not forget Obama’s Fraudulent Secret Service Application. The Form he Filled out and dated 1981 was actually printed out AFTER 1993 (the current form they are using now). The 1981 Form has 8 blocks to fill out. In 1993, they added a block for “Branch of Service” and put it in the 8th Block. They then moved the old 8th block down to the 9th Block. All forms before 1993 had 8 Blocks. All forms after 1993 has 9 blocks. Obama’s form has 9 blocks, but is dated by his signature for 1981. Mistake 1.

    In 1973, Richard Nixon converted the United States Post Office (USPO) to the United States Postal Service (USPS) which is still in use Today. The Postal Stamp used on Obama’s Fraudulent Selective Service Application was a USPO stamp. Why is a stamp from 8 years ago used on the form? Because the people faking the form were Idiots. They went to far back trying to Authenticate the seal. Whoops. Also the Date on Obama’s Signature is dated one day After the Stamp Date. When you go to the Post Office to fill out this form, you are given a BLANK form to fill Out. The Post Office then verifies your Information, and then Stamps you form for that Day. It seems that his Post Office Verified his form 24 hours PRIOR to him having filled it out. Obama needs NEW FORGERS.

  55. Emudude @ 9:12 pm |
    I think that is why all the subterfuge re: documents all the time. They must have been in a terrible hurry, these seemed to be very young and inexperienced forgers who thought they could get by with a little tweaking of the lastest printers and scanners. They keep trying to cover tracks that had been screwed up previously-and on and on. NEW FORGERS I wonder where the old forgers might be?

  56. Webster Tarpley: Media’s Wikileaks”CIA Style Spin”Gives Obama Excuse to Invade Iran & Pakistan! 1/5

    http://chrisrecord.com/webster-tarpley-medias-wikileakscia-style-spingives-obama-excuse-to-invade-iran-pakistan-15/

  57. I wonder-this mortgage meltdown, can’t find paperwork, bankruptcies could this be some new way to launder drug money? About 6 months ago I talked to an old friend from Chicago he was telling me how Frankfort, Illinois (farm country-real rural) has entered the wonderful world of drug creation the kind they cook up on the stove and sell in bricks I forget the name of the drug. Today I was talking to another friend -these 2 friends do not know each other-the subject was Hampshire, Illinois (was farm country) she was telling me that Mexican or Mexican looking people arrive in town and magically one weeks later own McMansions each with their own runways. Most of the citizens have figured that one out. I’m just beginning to think this bubble bursting with the created housing market and weird documentation may be a big cover-up for money laundering. People gone rogue at banks, infiltrated by mobsters, CFO/CEO’s players? Some parts of these stories just don’t add. I know the Feds know most of the money laudering schemes but this may be a new one on them.

  58. Free Speech @ 9:44 pm |
    Obama is ineligible and the whole world knows it, so he cannot sign any foreign treaties, deals etc. Could this wiki-leaks publication be a cover for that-making it look like foreigners want nothing to do with us?

  59. Michelle | December 5, 2010 at 9:55 pm | Free Speech @ 9:44 pm |
    Obama is ineligible and the whole world knows it, so he cannot sign any foreign treaties, deals etc. Could this wiki-leaks publication be a cover for that-making it look like foreigners want nothing to do with us?

    ———————
    It is quite obvious that BO is behind WikiLeaks but it backfired on him, because no foreign leaders or diplomats trust BO now and I suspect that they will soon start leaking incriminating info on BO in order to force him out of office.

  60. Michelle | December 5, 2010 at 9:47 pm |
    I wonder-this mortgage meltdown, can’t find paperwork, bankruptcies could this be some new way to launder drug money?
    ___________________________________________________

    Michelle, the bit about the original deeds of trust etc. is being overblown. Don’t buy into that hype. Mortgages are originated and then sold on the secondary market. The mortgage meltdown wasn’t caused by mortgage servicing companies. It was caused by unscrupulous underwriting guidelines, orginators and the borrowers themselves. Ultimately it is the borrowers who are not complying with their end of the contract that they themselves signed. MERS is essentially just a tracking organization that follows the mortgage as it is transferred from servicer to servicer. There really is nothing nefarious about the organization. They have been made out to be the bad guy because people in foreclosure are trying to “game” the system by forcing their current servicers to produce the original deed of trust.

    There has been a lot wrong with mortgage lending, but MERS really isn’t one of them… We need to focus on real issues. Typically the people whining about MERS etc. are the same people who are not paying their mortgages.

  61. Michelle, I am not denying the second part of your point in that money laundering and massive fraud (of all kinds) did occur in the mortgage lending industry. So don’t get me wrong there. I am just saying that mortgage servicers weren’t part of that problem and they are being made out to be the scapegoat, again by people trying to game the system.

  62. Paxson @ 10:47 pm | Thanks for info Paxson, it is one confusing mess and I know many people who were trying to game the system. In the flipping game here in FL, to maximize profits here in FL the “investors” instead of buying one property were buying 10 to flip. Crazy and there was so much of it. The two people I know personally were attempting to do a loan modification starting about a year ago, every time they attempted to get any paperwork nobody had any. They have not missed a payment.

  63. Free Speech @ 10:33 pm |
    “It is quite obvious that BO is behind WikiLeaks but it backfired on him, because no foreign leaders or diplomats trust BO now and I suspect that they will soon start leaking incriminating info on BO in order to force him out of office.”
    Lord, I hope it is soon, I never trusted him in the first place-he’s just a common ordinary South Side hood slum landlord now with airs-I hope they leak like a sieve.

  64. Michelle | December 5, 2010 at 11:11 pm |

    It is extremely complex. Just for clarification, with respect to your friends seeking loan modification, what type of paper work were they trying to obtain from their servicer?

  65. Paxson @ 11:15 pm |
    I’m not sure, I think they were having problems getting any paperwork. I told the one lady I think you need to see a lawyer.

  66. Michelle, sounds wierd. Not sure what an attorney is going to do to help them get a loan modification.

  67. Paxson @ 11:24 pm |
    Paxson the whole real estate market since 2005 was weird-I told my friends not a market I want to play in. Buildings were doubling over night-but the old timers that were used to the FL boom and bust real estate since the 1920’s kept issuing warnings but people would not listen. Most of the high end housing is going for half price so people are starting to pick up deals.

  68. Michelle | December 5, 2010 at 11:30 pm |

    …and those people that didn’t listen are getting bitten in the arse. But that isn’t the fault of the mortgage servicers.

  69. This is a test…..
    Reduce unemployment. Plenty of firld workers needed in California, send illegals back to Mexico!

  70. WikiLeaks Will Release Encrypted ‘Doomsday File’ if Site Blocked

    “Assange has warned he can divulge the classified documents in the insurance file and similar backups if he is detained or the WikiLeaks website is permanently removed from the internet. He has suggested the contents are unredacted, posing a possible security risk for coalition partners around the world.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/wikileaks_assange_will_release_encrypted_TMdRdOm0JfvW4Z9rjWwLQO#ixzz17JHclFdB
    ****************************
    In essence, this is Assange’s way of insuring himself against arrest and/or blockage of site. I don’t think we can depend upon Holder’s DOJ to even attempt to do anything, even if it were legally possible.

  71. Good Morning CW, Zack, et. al.,

    I will chime in later this morning (in a couple of hours or so) after my business errands are finished. I will pose a few questions and plausibility pertaining to the brief topic discussion of the Hawaii DOH seal. I honestly do not believe its level of difficulty holds high value for the questions I will propose.

    I do not study the B.C. Photo irregularities and never really have over the last 2 plus years. I have always focused on the legal side of NBC status and not a Birth Certificate. However, do to Misstickly comments of resent discovery and Jonah, I decided to conduct a brief research simply to “refresh” my memory. I am now left puzzled.

    This is not a topic I desire to spend a significant amount of time on, but I do think its worth brainstorming briefly.

  72. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/12/obamas-power-madness-state-department-warns-columbia-university-students-do-not-discuss-wikileaks-on.html

    Obama’s Power Madness: State Department Warns Columbia University Students: DO NOT Discuss WikiLeaks On Facebook, Twitter

    Obama knew of the WikiLeak dump (he sanctioned the last two), and did nothing about virtually assuring their release and its incalcuable damage to our great nation.

    And the media’s silence on this borders on criminal negligence. As one Puff Ho-ster opines, they are “so in the tank for Obama that they drowned. That’s the only explanation I can come up with for their silence.”

    Why is Obama getting a free pass over WikiLeaks?

  73. Jonah…………………………..
    Regarding the family member COLB that you sent to me in 2009,to examine, I have no reason to doubt it’s authenticity, or the seal which appears on it. Was the copy that you have issued prior to 1988? Miss Tickly has stated that DOH has told her that they have used the same seal since 1988. I am wondering if since DOH referenced this date that the seal may have changed at that time. Although I do find it interesting that the same seal appears on the (alleged) COLB which was posted by Miss Gibbs.If the seal did NOT change then it would seem that the seal on Soetoro’s alleged BC was put there by someone at Hawaii DOH,or it was put there by those people who were involved in the rest of the forgery process ( Fastcheck). This seems to be more consistent with my general viewpoint in which MMMSSS.FUKINO, and MMMSSS. OKUBO are both suspect in what appears to be a deliberate attempt to ASSIST people like FASTCHECK in constructing the FALSE,and otherwise deceptive document that was posted on a PUBLIC medium, referred to as “Fight the Smears” by the Soetoro administration. At present I have seen nothing which I personally view as authentic where the alleged CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH is concerned. Further I personally think that the CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH is a USLESS pursuit. We need to find a certified copy of the original long form BC that WOULD HAVE BEEN ISSUED in 1961 if Soetoro was BORN IN HAWAII AT ANY OF THE HOSPITALS. That is if any such doument even exists. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ISSUED A LONG FORM CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH EXACTLY LIKE THOSE ISSUED TO THE NORDYKE TWINS WHO WERE BORN WITHIN HOURS OF SOETORO. Their respective LONG FORM BCs were both published online. I DON’T SEE ANY WAY THAT SOETORO CAN GET AROUND THAT FACT. NO HOSPITAL IN HAWAII HAS YET PUBLICALLY, AND AFFIRMATIVELY STATED THAT HE WAS BORN AT ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS. SO FAR SOETORO HAS ALREADY STATED THAT HE WAS BORN IN…. TWO….. OF THESE HOSPITALS. NEAT TRICK! THAT TELLS ME SOMEBODY DOESN’T HAVE THEIR STORY STRAIGHT. His story also includes him having been in 57 states as well. Again ……….a NEAT TRICK! Of course we ALL KNOW that UP IS REALLY DOWN………..how could we have been so remiss that we forgot that fact! I know that Soetoro would personally scold you for forgetting it. In his world EVERYTHING that is …..UP…..is really DOWN,and MISS GIBBS agrees with it.
    Glad you’re back Misstickly. Perhaps as a group we can eventually put together a accurate,and damning portfolio of evidence that will be useful in ending Soetoro’s criminal career. As for Hawaii DOH, I personally tend to think that MMMMSSSS.FUKINO,and MMMSSS. OKUBO are both Soetoro supporters, and as such would even compromise their positions if necessary to promote Soetoro’s interests……….right,wrong,or indifferent.
    Keeping an open mind is important with regard to what is going on in our country. However we need to act to do whatever we legally can, and continue the efforts to get the truth out and infront of the skeptics. Otherwise the youngsters in our country will be facing a very uncertain future. While I tend to believe that which I choose to believe,I have some reservations regarding anybody who sets themselvesa up as the ONLY person with the real truth,and facts. But at the same time I take the time,and patience to hear what everybody has to say. Because I know from EXPERIENCE that even if there is only one word of truth,and accuracy in what anyone has to say it is well worth hearing,and that person is indeed helping by saying what he/she thinks. To discredit someone,or otherwise demean what he/she has to say has to say something about the person making the allegations. I know that I myself am often guilty of this. I am angered when somebody makes unfounded statements about our military services,particularly when I know that person has NEVER been in the military themselves. I sometimes get angered when somebody makes a statement that is either scientifically incorrect, or a statement that again by EXPERIENCE I know to be in error. I will be 80 years of age in June of 2011. In the interim years of my life I have done a lot of things, and tried a lot of other things. In so doing I have learned a little about these things. But I am certainly not an expert on some of the these things. However I do regard myself as being knowledgeable enough regarding things that relate to copying,various forms of printing,and issues relating to paper,and it’s many variations. Further I consider myself to be intelligent enough to recognise phoney from authentic when I see it. Especially when the facts support my viewpoint. But this said, what I believe is still, and remains ONLY my OPINION. By stating my opinion on the CW blog it is not my intention to mislead anyone, or to otherwise confuse anyone. After all MOST OF YOU are twenty one years of age, adults ,and certainly free to think whatever you wish,which I also whole heartedly support. If we all remain together in our efforts to separate the Soetoro lies ,from any truths that he might (inadvertently) pass on to us we will ALL be winners in the end.

  74. Paxson……………………….
    In reading your comment relating to the alleged mortgage meltdown, it occurred to me that “GOLDEN SLACKS” played an importatnt part in the meltdown by virtue of their continually LOSING plays in the DERIVATIVE CONTRACTS market which WE THE PEOPLE payed for……dearly. This sort of brings to mind the surnames PAULSEN,and GEITHNER,just to name two.

  75. Paxson……………………
    Then to compound the problem the alleged watchdog over Fannie Mae, and Freddy Mac was TOO BUSY with his LIFESTYLE to give a damn what happened to either of the home loan underwriters. Yet he won re election. Ohhh Wellll.

  76. I am back from errands. Didn’t take quite as long as I suspected.

    Good Morning Oldsalt.

  77. As pre-posted,

    I have a few basic questions for proposals pertaining to the released Hawaii DOH Seal sent to Misstickly and comments thereof from others. This should be simple, it is “Binary” in nature (Yes/No for example) and does not require me to run some full factorial Design of Experiment with 3 Factor levels and 65 variables to understand or ask questions – Yes, I have had to conduct such DOE’s in Processes and is highly complex in nature – but this does not meet such criteria for circumstance.

    Give me a few min. to type my questions and analogy.

  78. Ok,

    So writing freely here, giving a simple analysis of what I have come up with, in the form of current knowledge – of which some may be verified – whilst others cannot, I have thus far concluded this basic analysis with additional questions.

    I would like to start off by stating that I personally from the bottom of my heart, believe that both “Misstickly and Jonah” are true Patriots of America and I have absolutely no reason to doubt their integrity whatsoever. I will attempt to lay this out in a semi-Chronological order and applied emphasis of my own .

    1) Misstickly received from Hawaii the DOH Seal issued (a change) that is relevant from 1988 to present.

    2) Jonah stated that her COLB (I personally don’t know if that is a Certificate of Live Birth or Certification of Live Birth, nor that it matters) from the State of Hawaii. I Believe Jonah when she states this claim, I have no reason to disbelieve her. I have checked with other COLB recipients online and theirs are the same (which I will get to shortly) that “Verifies” What Jonah is saying is True. (All the more reason to believe Jonah comments).

    3) After reviewing Jonah’s statements whereby her COLB Seal’s are “Identical” to Obamas, and knowing that fact as well as reviewing the Online COLB from Obama and several other Hawaiian born persons that offered theirs for comparison, born in the same year, Jonah becomes even more correct when she states that her seals are “Identical” to Obama’s, and so are the others.

    However, and this is the part that truly begets me, is why are they Identical and should they be? According to Hawaii Dept. of Health and their State Laws, they Should Not Be………

    Obama COLB is from 2007, NOT 1961….. Which is what everyone in Hawaii that has provided an “Example” of online for review of their individual COLB. Every Example happens to be a Certificate of Live Birth, not a Certification of live Birth, as Obama admin. Photographed.

    But that is irrelevant in the perspective of which form of COLB is presented, its the seal that’s relevant at this point. Therefore, ANY COLB Presented “AFTER” 1988, Should reflect the seal of Hawaii DOH in the Embossed form at the bottom of the page. Note that the “State Seal” is at the top of all of them and is simply a Pad Stamp, not embossed (raised press as the DOH Seal).

    Therefore, why Does Obama have a PRE-1988 DOH Seal on his 2007 COLB the same and Identical to those that have a PRE-1988 DOH Seal? He Shouldn’t… Considering he ordered his in the year 2007, the one on Factcheck and others obtained, it should reflect the new “Changed” 1988 DOH Seal, but it doesn’t, its the older version. The one that is on all of the Hawaiian volunteers is in fact Identical. But theirs is all pre-dated before 1988, therefore it makes sense that they are identical.

    So, since I do not have a Post-1988 COLB to confirm my conclusion, I would like to know if you Jonah could file a lost COLB from the State of Hawaii, and it should show the new 1988 DOH embossed Seal, and not the pre-DOH embossed seal if I am correct.

  79. OldSalt,

    You have the same analogy and questions that I have. (smile)

    I am not surprised. A man such as yourself does not start a business as an Entrepreneur and grow it 20 fold without common sense, technical intrigues and highly capable of reviewing analysis of placement.

    I think you and I are on the same page with this Hawaii DOH Seal issue.

  80. SirWilliam | December 6, 2010 at 10:47 am |

    Good analysis.

  81. oldsalt79 | December 6, 2010 at 9:35 am |
    Paxson……………………….
    In reading your comment relating to the alleged mortgage meltdown, it occurred to me that “GOLDEN SLACKS” played an importatnt part in the meltdown by virtue of their continually LOSING plays in the DERIVATIVE CONTRACTS market which WE THE PEOPLE payed for……dearly. This sort of brings to mind the surnames PAULSEN,and GEITHNER,just to name two.

    ____________________________________________________

    I agree with you, but this is systemic and not necessarily related to the individual contracts that each borrower signed.

  82. Sir William………………………..
    That was exactly my thoughts when I stated that it was interesting that the COLBS all showed the same seal. Soetoro should have had a PRE 1988 seal style. Great thinking . While I do not at this point question the information posted by Miss Tickly,instead I for one am looking at EVERYTHING for correlation. I do like misstickly’s style. In a way she is a little like JBJD..UP FRONT,and TO THE POINT. At the same time I have conducted conversations via email with Jonah,and have personally examined the CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH which she sent to me to analyse for her. I personally believe that her interests are the same as mine or the rest of the patriots on the blog. I see NO reason for referring to her as an OBOT. As I stated earlier zeal is a great commodity. But sometimes overly zealous people can sometimes offend out of their own frustrations. Sir William………………..
    Regarding the COLB that was allegedly issued in June of 2007,I am wondering once again if any prior info to 1988 would have even been relavent. Perhaps it is a proceedure in which no matter what the date is of the alleged long form, that when a copy CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH is requested that it automatically receives the seal which is in use at that date. If Soetoro’s original has the prior seal it might not be relavent with respect to a document issued after 1988. Do you see what I am thinking?

  83. Re: usapatriots-shout | December 5, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    The only people who support the Foreign Terrorist Usurper Barry Soetoro Soebarkah alias THE DAILY SERIAL CRIMINAL, INSANE & DELUSIONAL, CONSTANTLY LYING CON-MAN MADMAN SOCIOPATH, 100% ILLEGAL ALIEN TERRORIST USURPER BARACK OBAMA are:

    (1) Either being paid in bribes to protect his, 100% Illegal Status in the USA, or who are receiving illegal paychecks in illegal & unconstitutional job placements by Soetoro Soebarkah’s 100% ILLEGAL COMMUNIST/
    FASCIST/MARXIST, RADICAL ISLAMIC MUSLIM JIHADIST TERRORIST TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP NWO REGIME – Or – (2) People of any color or level of education who are completely (at this time) ignorant of what he is and what 100% Illegal & 100% Unconstitutional Daily Serial Crimes & Evils he is actually committing and doing in the USA.

    Most of his supporters are very ignorant very poor people, illegal aliens, ignorant black people, ignorant lazy people who refuse to work, or ignorant drug addicts.

    Educated, hard working, intelligent, and humble Americans are the Faithful and True Americans who can 100% see right through Usurper Serial Criminal Barry Soetoro Soebarkah alias the Foreign Born, Insane & Delusional Sociopath, Daily Serial Constant Liar, Con-Man Madman, Foreign & Domestic Enemy Combatant Of War against the USA, Terrorist Psychopath ans see what the DAILY SERIAL CRIMINAL CON-MAN Soetoro/Obama truly is.

  84. (1) Either being paid in bribes to protect his 100% Illegal Status in the USA, or who are receiving illegal paychecks in illegal & unconstitutional job placements by Foreign Born Domestic Enemy Usurper Barry Soetoro Soebarkah alias the Foreign Illegal Alien Usurper Barack Obama’s 100% ILLEGAL COMMUNIST/FASCIST/MARXIST, RADICAL ISLAMIC MUSLIM JIHADIST TERRORIST TOTALITARIAN DICTATORSHIP NWO REGIME –

    P.S. Many of these people who are supporting and protecting Usurper Barry Soetoro Soebarkah/Obama are millionaires, and multi-millionaires and many of them 100% fully know that he is a 100% Illegal Alien, 100% complete fraud, and a massive daily serial criminal. These people unfortunately are afraid their crimes will be exposed if they expose Obama. So they won’t expose him, because they also are afraid of being silenced & murdered by his evil 100% lllegal & 100% Unconstitutional Foreign Regime, and/or that their own High Crimes & High Treasons they have committed against 310 + Million USA American citizens will be exposed!! So they keep quiet, and they do not risk exposing Soetoro/Soebarkah Obama’s OBVIOUS very evil & outrageous High Crimes & High Treasons he is committing daily for these reasons!!

  85. Did you guys notice how Jonah sent us to Dr. Conspiracy’s (a KNOWN OBOT) website (www.obamaconspiracy.org) for reference? Sorry, but that is WEIRD!:

    Jonah | December 5, 2010 at 3:14 pm | misstickly | December 5, 2010 at 2:27 pm |
    ==============================================
    I have been a daily visitor at citizenwells for over two years and no one has ever considered me an obot. As I remember you were removed from here a while back.

    I do agree with you that the seal that the HDOH gave you in no way resembles the Obama seal. It doesn’t resemble the seal on my certified copies of family members’ COLBs either. As I said, the seal on my documents very closely resembles Obama’s. Factcheck has removed the closeup of the seal from their website but it is still available to view here…………….
    See Hawaii State Seal image
    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/not_born_in_hawaii/

    My certified COLBs look almost identical to that seal. I am not legitimizing his document, only saying that comparing that image you have to Obama’s COLB is highly disputable and in no way proves its lack of validity. Comparison with an official COLB is more desirable.

    Keep in mind that the Hawaii State Seal isn’t necessarily identical to the HDOH seal. Obviously the state seal would not carry a caduceus, a symbol of the medical profession. Did HDOH confirm to you that they certify birth documents with the state imprint seal or the HDOH imprint?

    I have good reason to believe that Obama’s COLB is a fake so we both agree on that.

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