Lakin court martial Judge Lind, Col. Denise R. Lind words and ruling prejudicial, Alan Keyes, Citizen Wells open thread, September 6, 2010

Lakin court martial Judge Lind,  Col. Denise R. Lind words and ruling prejudicial, Alan Keyes

From Alan Keyes September 4, 2010.

“Is Lakin’s court-martial an American ‘Dreyfus affair’?

I doubt that most people would be shocked to learn that sometimes the influence of power can interfere with and even derail the course of justice in our legal system.  Behind the scenes, a phone call from a powerful politician, or a corporate mogul often affects the actions or judgments of people whose personal ambitions they are in a position to help or hinder.  Usually though, people giving heed to such considerations have enough sense to cloak what they do with words or actions that give their corruption at least the appearance of probity.  Maybe its the tribute that vice renders to virtue.  Maybe its nothing more than self-serving prudence (the mask of honesty that facilitates corruption.)

However, when court officers conclude that such hypocrisy is no longer worth the effort, things are pretty far gone.  The video featured with this post  focuses on the recent decision by Col. Denise R. Lind, the military judge charged with presiding over the court martial of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin.  People who still care about American justice will recognize the facts as confirmation that America has passed ‘far gone’ and is approaching the point of no return.

Judging by Col. Lind’s demeanor, the court marital is apparently slated to be the inaugural “show trial” of Obama style Stalinism in the United States.  Without even a show of rational argumentation ( as WND’s story reporting Judge Roy Moore’s insightful comments makes clear) she has denied Lt. Col Lakin “the right to obtain potentially exculpatory evidence” for use in the Court Martial proceedings brought against him on the charge of refusing to obey lawful orders from the military chain of command until the issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility for the Office of President has been investigated and resolved by the decision of a properly constitutional  authority.

The Judge’s derelict disregard for constitutional right adds this military tribunal to the long list of civilian courts that have made themselves vehicles for the anti-American elite’s purposeful derogation of the authority of the U.S. Constitution.  In the course of her dereliction, however, Lind spoke of the documentary evidence Obama has thus far abused government power to suppress.  She proclaimed that “opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president.”

It’s marvelous that a supposedly competent legal officer of the United States military could cram so much prejudicial nonsense into so few words.  She refers to Obama as president.  But because, among other things, of her own action, his status as president is, as the lawyers might say, a fact not in evidence.  If he is in fact not constitutionally eligible for the office, then he is not president.  If he is not in fact constitutionally eligible, then no lawful authority emanates from him to the military chain of command.  Therefore,  Lt.Col Lakin is not guilty of the charge against him.  Judge Lind’s language is prima facie evidence of prejudice, and she should either recuse herself or be removed from the case.

She suggests that the evidence might be embarrassing to Obama.  Since when is the embarrassment that may attend the discovery that a public official has sworn or acted dishonestly a lawful reason to suppress evidence tending to establish his official malfeasance?  Since when does the mere possibility of such official embarrassment justify suppressing the constitutional rights of a person accused of a serious crime and liable, upon conviction, to onerous punishment?

Judge Lind’s words appear at the very least, prejudicial. However, they may also raise the possibility of serious malfeasance on her part.  How has she reached the conclusion that the evidence in question may be embarrassing to Obama?  Has she privily received communications to that effect?  If so, why did she not publicly indicate the source or sources of these communications, so that Lt. Col. Lakin could claim his constitutional right to confront, in a proper hearing, the witnesses against him?”

Read more:

http://loyaltoliberty.com/WordPress/2010/09/is-lakins-court-martial-an-american-dreyfus-affair/

298 responses to “Lakin court martial Judge Lind, Col. Denise R. Lind words and ruling prejudicial, Alan Keyes, Citizen Wells open thread, September 6, 2010

  1. ” MMMMSSSS. IMPORTANT ” has not only voluntarily chosen to violate her officers plesdge to the Constitution, she has also chosen to be a conspirator in TREASON against our country in so doing. She will discover the error of her choice SOON. Unfortunately AFTER THE FACT. TOO LATE THEN!

  2. Alan Keys has just put to paper what I said last week about the Larkin situation.

    I said America has is’s own “Dreyfus case”, and it does.

    Apparently no one in our military today studies history any more. We will live to see the shame that will come from the railroad job being done on Ltc larkin.

    I say again, every soldier who is ask to place his life in harms way has a Right to know beyond a shadow of doubt that his CinC is a “natural born citizen” and duely elected to the position of POTUS.

    Otherwise our Constitution has no meaning and is a worthless piece of paper. It is hard for me to understand how our top ranking generals can expect our young men and women to fight in god forsaken countries for a CinC who by our Constitution cannot occupy that position.

    Are those in charge telling us, without telling us, that we no longer have a Constitution of these United States?

  3. TO THE CW RECORDER OF FACTS…………….IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT EVERYTHING LIND SAYS,AND DOES BE RECORDED WORD FOR WORD AND STORED FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THIS MUST BE THE ACTUAL WORDS FROM HER OWN MOUTH BOTH VISUALLY, AND VERBALLY! HER OWN WORDS WILL PUT THE GARROTE ABOUT HER OWN NECK.

  4. RM in NC…………………………………….
    I beg to differ with you sir,we do indeed still have a Constitution. and will have until such time as at least 3/4 of the states reject it. Neither the POTUS,nor Congress can reject it, even though in their psychotic little minds they think they can. WE THE PEOPLE are the ULTIMATE ENFORCERS OF OUR LAWS. NEVER FORGET IT!

  5. The woman who faces death by stoning in Iran, has been sentenced to be lashed again. And they want to bring this radical culture and sharia law to America. This is why women must stand up and protect our freedoms here in the US, anyway we can, especially at the voting booth.The Democrats want to defend radical Islam and punish Israel and America, in my opinion. We must fight back.

  6. Yes Old Salt, old friend, you are correct, we do indeed have a Constitution. I hope we will always have a Constitution. But those in leadership positions, who are responsible for insuring our government does not overstep it’s bounds, have ALL turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the writing on that document that has withstood many hardships of time.

    If they continue to ignore this document though, there is only two courses 0f action for the American people. 1) Accept the slavery that will follow, or 2) Rise up in mass and change this corrupt government.

    God forbid we have to do course of action 2 by force. But you are right, until one of the mentioned courses of action occur, we do indeed still have a Constitution.

    The big question is: For how long?

  7. The question I have is who is in charge of the Military?
    1. Apparently orders are not coming from the person posing as CIC.
    2. Who gives thre order for a nuclear strike, the Pentagon?
    3. What is the purpose of swearing an oath to support and defend Constitution by our military officers?
    Apparently it means nothing. Support and defend against who?

    If LTC Lakin wasn’t facing Prison time, this story would be like watching Dr. Stranglove with Peter Sellers.

  8. THERE IS NOW ONLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS REMAINING UNTIL THE LIBERAL EXTREME LEFT MEETS THEIR RETRIBUTION. WE MUST GO IN FIGHTING,AND WITH FIXED BAYONETS. WE MUST HAVE THE COURAGE TO VOTE AGAINST THE LUNATIC LEFT NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OF HIM/HER. THIS IS OUR FIRST SHOTS FIRED IN THE COMING WAR. WE MUST MAKE THEM COUNT.

  9. ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY
    UNDER THE GATEWAY ARCH
    SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 12TH
    12 NOON – 4 PM

  10. ……………IF WE FAIL WE FACE THE LOSS OF OUR COUNTRY,AND OUR WAY OF LIFE.!

  11. Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.
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    I agree, Bill G., cc fubo posts, like the following, clearly show his false flag colors

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    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:21 pm |

    “The Nail in Lakin’s Coffin… orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…

    “That nails it. It totally derails Lakin’s case and totally removes Zero from the discussion. In fact: END OF DISCUSSION!”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm |

    Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will… So, we have a choice – ignore the eligibility aspects and nothing bad happens – or out the b*st*rd and maybe (almost certainly?) all hell breaks loose. So, which do I choose?”

    “But outing him over “eligibility” is a lose/lose proposition.”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:43 pm |

    “How is Obama being ineligible ruining the country? His being ineligible does not appear to have harmed the country in any way. After he is voted out in 2012, we can all breath a great sigh of relief and move on. We could even then pass stricter vetting legislation – either national or state or both. This would prevent any problems in the future. In the meantime nothing horrible is happening.”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm |

    “we cannot…rely on “constitution says I have a right to do this or that”. The leaders and decision makers give not a fig for that.

    The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty… You can’t win a war if you don’t recognize when a battle has been lost – and it is time to retreat…”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 12:51 am |

    I am convinced… that whether or not Zero is eligible is no big deal either way… there is no down side to Zero being ineligible and there are serious potential repercussions if he is formally kicked out for this single reason.”

  12. WHILE SERVING IN THE US NAVY, THE SHIP I SERVED ABOARD HAD A MOTTO. IT SIMPLY WAS “CAN DO, WILL DO”.

  13. Citizen Carlyle FUBO……………………………….
    Have you ever been in any of our military services? If you have then you would KNOW that the PENTAGON is the entity that executes the CINC policy. Not the other way around. The buck DOES stop with the CINC., not at the JOINT CHIEFS. However it appears that they are in complete concert with the (alleged) POTUS, making them as much of the problem as the CINC. I believe that they too will face retribution.

  14. Jonah @ 10:22 am |
    Jonah-Thank you for the video, I had to go back and see the inspiration for the Tea Party-Rick Santelli and the Chicago guys-considering his rant started Feb 09-the Tea Party sure grew from there-mainly I believe because Rick was telling the truth.

    CNBC’s Rick Santelli’s Chicago Tea Party
    Rick Santelli’s Shout Heard ‘Round the World
    Feb 22, 2009

  15. This is what is going on in South Florida real estate today.
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/realestate/sfl-cheap-homes-pg,0,7894691.photogallery
    About 6000 single-family homes and condos in South Florida are priced at $50000 or less, according to a recent report from …
    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/realestate/sfl-homes-under-50-photos-08162010,0,3794161.photogallery
    South Florida homes under $50,000 The real estate crash has brought plenty of pain to South Florida, but for those with money to spend, there are unprecedented deals. Here’s a look at the kind of real estate one can buy for $50,000 or less in Broward and Palm Beach counties. “It’s a great time to be buying,” said investor investor Laura Trebatch, who bought a three-bedroom home off Sample Road in Pompano Beach for $47,000, fixed it and resold it for $99,000. “Banks are trying to get rid of their inventory. Buy low and sell low. Don’t be greedy.”
    Image 1 of 12

  16. Citizen Carlyle Fubo…………………………………….
    You obviously have never read the words of one of our most famous Admirals who the enemy thought was defeated, he stated to the enemy “SURRENDER? I have not yet begun to fight”. He went on to roundly defeat the enemy. Those of us who are steeped in the tradition of the services to which we STILL BELONG, do indeed believe in ourselves, and if for no other reason we will win both the battle and the war.

  17. Unfortunately, We Patriots have no control over Col Lakin’s Military “court” or the federal “courts” that have denied Patriots due process in proving bo’s ineligibility, but we do have control over our State Grand Jury system and that is where we must wage this legal battle to remove bo and his local co-conspirators.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”

    You see our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.

    That is one of the primary reasons that they bestowed upon us that extraordinary Bill of Rights which provided for the Grand Jury System controlled by the people not the politicians.

    In our Founding Fathers’ prescient wisdom, they designed a Grand Jury System in which no man, not even the President of the United States, is above the Law.

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  18. oldsalt79 | September 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    Citizen Carlyle Fubo…………………………………….
    You obviously have never read the words of one of our most famous Admirals who the enemy thought was defeated, he stated to the enemy “SURRENDER? I have not yet begun to fight”. He went on to roundly defeat the enemy. Those of us who are steeped in the tradition of the services to which we STILL BELONG, do indeed believe in ourselves, and if for no other reason we will win both the battle and the war.
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    Well Said.

  19. Does anyone know if FUBO is a HE or a SHE?

  20. Maj.Gen. Jerry Curry : Obama’s Eligibility Issue Moving Toward Critical Mass

  21. Dr. Alan Keyes Discusses His Upcoming Obama Eligibility Lawsuit

  22. oldsalt79 @ 10:48 am |
    Old Salt-“SURRENDER? I have not yet begun to fight”. Not only never surrender but there are so many different ways to engage the enemy. One of the creative ways Vera and her people had to sabotage the enemy was via a dead rat-I’m not kidding there is a picture in the book. They would stick dynamite in the rat and the Nazis in the factory would see the rat and throw it into the boiler (heat source) and blow up the factory. I think that you would really enjoy this book. They didn’t have much money so they really had to rely on their wits.
    http://www.amazon.com/Spymistress-Atkins-Greatest-Female-Secret/dp/1559707631

  23. CRITICAL MASS for our country is just 58 days from now….

    Will just ONE Patriot step up and demand Obama show his birth certificate. He either is, or IS NOT legally our POTUS. If he proves to be legal, lets IMPEACH the bas- – – -. If he proves to be a Usurper, lets JAIL the fraud.

    Every citizen has a right to know, one way or the another. Who will carry our torch? Who will bear our cross?

  24. Hey old Salt, I think FUBO is really Michelle Antoinette. Has to be a woman…

  25. oldsalt79 | September 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    You obviously have never read the words of one of our most famous Admirals who the enemy thought was defeated, he stated to the enemy “SURRENDER? I have not yet begun to fight”. He went on to roundly defeat the enemy. Those of us who are steeped in the tradition of the services to which we STILL BELONG, do indeed believe in ourselves, and if for no other reason we will win both the battle and the war.

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    One thing that Judeo-Christians have on our side is True Faith in the one True God of the Judeo-Christian Faith.

    I am convinced that is the reason that we Judeo-Christians have always prevailed over the fascists, communists and islamo-fascists. We have the one True God on our side and faith in Eternal Life.

  26. Something there is that doesn’t love a thug, best to prepared for surprises-I wonder what Obama and thugs will do in their desperation?
    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/october-surprises-maybe-every-day-and-all-day/#comments
    “October Surprises, maybe every day and all day”
    Obama and his advisors may seem hapless now, but we are watching a ruthless Chicago politician — the “thug from Chicago,” as President Clinton referred to him, and anything is possible from this clique. The next two months will be very interesting.
    (more)

  27. Michelle…………….

    An ENRAGED, VENGEANCE SEEKING,and otherwise determined fighting force, is with out a doubt the most dangerous force to engage. The Germans discovered this the HARD WAY at Bastogne. (Battle of the Bulge.) in WW 2.

  28. I hope everyone gets a kick out of this.

  29. Old Salt…may I add: an enraged vengeance seeking GEORGE PATTON was the most dangerous force the Germans encountered….

    He completely turned his well trained, well lead, 3rd Army around, headed north.

    They got to Bastogne in less than 24 hours, and as he would say; “made those poor bastards die for their country”!

  30. In case anyones interested.

    Commenter Mick, slcraig and others are taking it to the legal community about the US-NBC issue at the Volk Conspiracy legal blog.
    Almost 1000 comments!

    http://volokh.com/2010/08/31/the-ultimate-legal-blog-comment/

  31. Michelle………………………………………..
    …………………..nor do you fight DEFENSIVE actions and think this will win a war. Not as long as there is an ability to mount sizeable offensive actions which are designed to rout the enemy,then you keep pressing attacks on both his flanks and his rear,to keep him on the run. You mest NEVER give the enemy a chance to regroup. Keep him separated from his logistics, and he WILL fall.

  32. oldsalt79 @ 11:16 am | Since my father and my god-father served under Patton they must have been in the Battle of the Bulge. I don’t remember them talking about that Battle but I remember my father talking about serving in Spain and North Africa, and the invasion of Italy, Palermo , Sicily-somewhat of a jumble in my mind. I didn’t know how bad the Battle of the Bulge was until I saw the movie Patton-still my favorite movie of all time and I will always love George C. Scott-one of the best actors of our time. What struck me the most re: Battle of the Bulge was our soldiers were half starved, frozen to pieces but due to Patton so well trained and hardened that they were able to continue fighting under such adverse conditions. God Bless them all. Hitler threw everything he had at them, had the US lost that battle God only knows.

  33. We must apply the same logic to the coming elections. It is workable and possible. We only need the PATRIOT SPIRIT. We will meet the enemy ,and he will be OURS. …..”FIRE WHEN READY GRIDLEY!”

  34. Free Speech 11:05 AM
    I am convinced that is the reason that we Judeo-Christians have always prevailed over the fascists, communists and islamo-fascists. We have the one True God on our side and faith in Eternal Life.
    *******************************
    Yes, I believe that although BHO and cohorts are extremely cunning, they are also self-deceived. In other words, they are SO determined to carry out their diabolical plans against our country that they have deceived themselves into thinking that Americans are soft (and multitudes are) and will easily fall for the bait (big government programs, etc.)

    This self-deception has blinded them to the fighting spirit and courage that dwells within so many of us. In the words of Patrick Henry, “Give me liberty or give me death.” England had that spiriit in WWII under Churchill, who said, “Never give in, never give in, never, never, never….” AMEN.

  35. When Admiral Dewey told his gunnery officer Charles V, Gridley he may fire when ready, he also implied “At any target he felt was appropriate.”

  36. Cabby – AZ @ 11:47 am |
    One thing re: the Gestapo (terrorists) -the name may change but the tactics are the same-subjugation.
    http://www.presentationmagazine.com/winston_churchill_speech_fight_them_on_beaches.htm
    Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

  37. http://www.breitbart.tv/labor-day-special-breitbart-vs-trumka/
    April 2010: Andrew Breitbart challenges AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka on his assertion that Tea Parties are fomenting rage in America. During his response, Trumka claims that he heard racial slurs shouted at congressmen in Washington DC during ObamaCare protests. Mr. Trumka has never been identified in any of the many videos available from that day. Mr. Trumka’s annual salary $260,781.

  38. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 11:56 am |

    _________________________________________________
    Where is OUR CHURCHILL? – His mother Jenny was an American.

  39. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 11:40 am | oldsalt79 @ 11:16 am |

    Since my father and my god-father served under Patton they must have been in the Battle of the Bulge.
    Spain and North Africa, and the invasion of Italy, Palermo , Sicily-somewhat of a jumble in my mind.

    ******************
    There is an easy way to find those answers …………..and much more .

  40. From the point of view of preparation/strategy this is important to know. We Dems who are now Tea Party (the government does not know we even exist, but they don’t care about center right Dems anyway) will do everything we can to vote the Republicans in and start righting our ship of state.
    http://www.breitbart.tv/in-mid-terms-democrats-running-away-from-being-democrats/
    The political round-table on Face the Nation discuss the political realities facing the House Democrats.

  41. Michelle…Trumka is right…the TEA Party is fomenting rage…..OUTRAGE at this crooked government and demanding CHANGE. … and millions of Americans are damn glad they are !!!

    It’s strange that a peaceful gathering of concerned citizens can be labeled RAGE while a gathering of street thugs burning our flag and littering our streets is labeled a citizens protest by our main stream media.

    Mr Trumpka is a bold faced lier like his idol…Mr Obama.

  42. It would be interesting to know who voted for who in the last general election. I will start it off:

    I bite by tongue and voted for McCain, the lesser of two evils.

  43. Speaking of General Patton – Never forget his definition of”politicians” –

    “Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest for of politician.”

    PLEASE PASTE THIS QUOTATION ON YOUR FOREHEAD

  44. ms. helga @ 12:07 pm | Thank you for the Churchill video, I always admired him-he is a Sagittarius like me. Normally we are the most easy going, live and let live type of people, until we get hit with a Hitler, an Obama, a Gestapo and then we just flip out. Despots always try to destroy everything in their path, they try to wreck the spirit, the will, the heart, the soul-we report to a higher authority for us it would be God Almighty himself the Divine Lawgiver, our Constitution and our Constitutional Republic.

  45. ms. helga | September 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm |
    ms. helga-I think we need to add a corollary to Gen. Patton’s remarks which is all in government, military who do not live up to their oath’s of office are the scum of the Earth. They swear not only to WE THE PEOPLE but to God Almighty.
    “Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.”

  46. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    oldsalt79 | September 6, 2010 at 10:37 am |

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    What’s your point? I agree with what you say and never said otherwise. Except for your last sentence. I have recently come to believe that they will be part of the protected “too big to fail”.

  47. NATHAN HALE IS PROUD OF Lt. COL. LAKIN!

  48. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I LUV ol’ Free Speech. He has the most unusual debating technique. He not only uses a strawman, but mangles the strawman, then attacks his own mangled strawman, then vilifies the author of the original work.

    VERY BIZARRE! Oh well, I trust anyone important sees what he writes, when in these moods, for what it is.

  49. I think the only way to save what is left of the USA and its constitution is to promote activities at the state level aimed at protecting the constitution. What is happening at the federal level is CYA. If we were to give BHO the boot, we would end up with Pelosi as POTUS. And yes, I know she was an accessory to getting an invalid person elected, but it would take time to prove this. She would be the acting POTUS.

    Even if repubs take the house in November, I seriously doubt they will take steps to OUT BHO. Look at all the RINOS in the senate. The senate is the body that would be responsible for impeaching the POTUS. Looks like McCain is going back, then there is Lindsay gayRam, of course Olympia Snow, Scott Brown (who many on this blog were orgasmic over), Collins, and others. So even with a majority of repubs in the senate, do we really think they are going to impeach BHO? Personally, I think they are scared to death of getting a majority and being exposed for their liberalism. Unfortunately when we elect RINOs as senators, they are there for 6 years unless there is a way to impeach them.

    Actions we can take at the state level:

    1. Pass laws that require the secretary of state to confirm the identity and the eligibility of any candidate placed on a state or federal election ballot. This includes everyone. Every candidate should go through a process of checking their ID, their birth certificate, their social security number, their history of misdemeanors or felonies (across all states not just the state they are running in), their work history, their travels, and their schooling. Many people trump up their resumes. If they want to be a public official, they must be willing to be an open book.
    2. Elect conservative state level officials.
    3. Lobby for term limits and no pension plan for all local, state, and federal representatives.
    4. Craft legislation that makes it legal to remove a sitting senator when s/he votes against positions they took during their election campaign.
    5. There should be an effort to take over the smaller states that always lean to the liberal side. Conservative people should make an organized effort to move to liberal states and then vote for conservative candidates. This is a longterm plan.
    6. Every state should vote for legislation that would OUTLAW any form of sharia law. Islam is an ideology not a religion and should be treated as such. Islam should not be treated as a religion until they go through a reformation like Christianity did over a 1000 years ago.
    7. Every person with children in a public school should get elected to the board and at that point they should only vote for conservative issues. Better yet to homeschool your children, but if you can’t, get involved with your local politics.
    8. Run for mayor of your city. Go door to door, sit at the local diners and coffee shops and talk about your platform. Be visible. Visit all the local-owned businesses and meet the people in your community.
    9. This is personal, but have a consistent philosophy of life. If you believe something then live it too.
    10. Start local book clubs that read books about the USA’s history, etc.
    11. Our genuine interest in other people will always pay off in positive influence.
    12. Learn how to argue your points. Come up with index cards of issues and ways to address these issues conservatively. Don’t resort to ad hominem attacks on other people. This is a turnoff for most people.

    2.

  50. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    I find it alarming that the folks who post here who claim military heritage fail to understand the concept of a strategic retreat. Maybe a rereading of

    SunTzu, The Art of War

    Clausewitz, On War

    would be in order. Just blindly charging into the meat of the enemy’s defense over and over and over is a pretty good way to make slow progress and generate a lot of harm to yourselves.

  51. ll G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.
    ============================================

    cc fubo’s posts show his false flag colors.

  52. RMinNC | September 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm |

    ______________________________________________

    This guy Trumpka makes me nervous –

    “As head of the United Mine Workers, Trumka ordered a nationwide strike against Peabody Coal in 1993. On July 22, a non-union worker, Eddie York, was shot in the back of the head and killed as he attempted to pass striking coal workers. Picketers continued to throw rocks after York was shot, preventing his would be rescuers from assisting him.[14] Trumka and other United Mine Workers officials settled a wrongful death lawsuit with Mr. York’s widow out of court in 1997.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Trumka

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014794-503544.html

  53. http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    The Washington Times posted a hard-hitting expose last night by Rep Chris Smith, R-NJ, focusing on how Barack Obama helped enact Kenya’s new pro-abortion, pro-Sharia constitution. So did you; Obama lobbied for the new constitution with your money. Rep. Smith has noted this kind of advocacy is undoubtedly offensive and may be illegal. He writes that Obama, through the U.S. Agency for International Development:
    (more)

  54. Why would the Muslims see Obama as a Muslim? Guess they really believed him when he said he was a Muslim.
    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    Pakistani Minister calls for Obama to become “Caliph of Muslims”
    that a government minister has asked that Barrack (sic) Hussein Obama be named “Caliph of Muslims.”
    Did Americans simply accept that Obama was a Christian during the campaign because his surrogates said so? The evidence says otherwise.
    (more)

  55. Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.
    ============================================

    Good advice. cc fubo’s posts are clearly intended only to disrupt intelligent discussion.

  56. I think that all CC Fubo is saying is that “there is more than one way to skin a cat”. But I could be wrong.

  57. The Obamacare bill must be rescinded as soon as possible.
    http://idiots4obama.blogspot.com/2010/09/sen-coburn-democrats-intentionally-set.html
    Of course it is, that’s why most of the garbage in the bill doesn’t go into effect until 2014-2016, so by the time the idiots (democrat voters) figure it out, the dems are long gone. Then those same idiots can blame the republicans in power as if they had anything to do with the bill. It’s just how ‘slow’ they are…

  58. Crystal | September 6, 2010 at 12:36 pm |

    If we were to give BHO the boot, we would end up with Pelosi as POTUS. And yes, I know she was an accessory to getting an invalid person elected, but it would take time to prove this. She would be the acting POTUS.

    *************************
    Impossible scnario…the line of succession could not work , both are felony crimes and treason . To prove one would also incriminate the other.

  59. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 12:54 pm |
    Why would the Muslims see Obama as a Muslim? Guess they really believed him when he said he was a Muslim.
    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
    Pakistani Minister calls for Obama to become “Caliph of Muslims”
    that a government minister has asked that Barrack (sic) Hussein Obama be named “Caliph of Muslims.”
    Did Americans simply accept that Obama was a Christian during the campaign because his surrogates said so? The evidence says otherwise.
    =================================================

    Michelle,

    According to muslim teaching, a child of a muslim is a muslim. So, of course, muslims consider bo a muslim from birth. His embracing islam has reinforced the obvious fact that bo is a muslim.

    To understand what muslims mean when the muslims call for bo to be a caliph, just read the definition of caliph.

    The Caliph (Arabic: خليفة‎; /khalīfah/) is the head of state in a Caliphate, and the title for the leader of the Islamic Ummah, an Islamic community ruled by the Shari’ah.

  60. >>>oldsalt79 | September 6, 2010 at 10:48 am |
    You obviously have never read the words of one of our most famous Admirals who the enemy thought was defeated, he stated to the enemy “SURRENDER? I have not yet begun to fight”. He went on to roundly defeat the enemy<<<

    John Paul Jones, not an admiral. Did say these words (at least that is what legend says) from the deck of the Bonhomme Richard as it engaged the HMS Serapis. I don't think John Paul Jones ever made admiral, he wasn't politically correct, but he successfully defeated a british ship of equal armament the Serapis and took her, which at the time was HUGE. BTW, the Bonhomme Richard was so damaged that she sank shortly after the capture of the Serapis.

    Moral of the story: When you have nowhere else to go, and you got nothing left, that's the time you get mean. Unfortunately, unlike Obama, I am a NBC and have no other country that claims me, I have nowhere else to go.

    Pete

  61. The only colors the Tea Party is interested in are primary colors: red, white and blue.
    http://idiots4obama.blogspot.com/2010/09/pathetic-racist-naacp-desperate-left.html
    The NAACP must think EVERYONE is dumb, not just democrat voters…
    A new website sponsored by the NAACP and left-leaning media operations is seeking videographers and bloggers who will search out “racism” and “extremism” among Tea Partiers.

  62. Paxon, please re-read cc fubo’s posts. Bill G. was correct about cc fubo when he wrote: “CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.”

    cc fubo never offers solution (“ways to skin the cat’) all he does is spout pro-bo propaganda.
    ===============================================

    “Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm |
    “…we have to lay off the “birther” business…”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm |
    … nothing horrible has happened in two years, so another two years – not so bad.’’
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
    ‘’YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT HE IS FOREIGN BORN. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW FOR SURE, YOU DON’T COUNT. YOU ARE NOT THE DECIDER. THE DECIDERS BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
    There is no current legally binding definition of NBC

    The One…will not ever be taken down on the NBC issue…’’

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm |

    Obamessiah. He will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised.
    .

    MY expectation is that he will use the power and forces at his disposal to escape to another country where he will be honored and cherished.

    Obama will be a GOD
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:21 pm |
    The Nail in Lakin’s Coffin..
    … orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
    “That nails it. It totally derails Lakin’s case and totally removes Zero from the discussion. In fact: END OF DISCUSSION!”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
    Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will… So, we have a choice – ignore the eligibility aspects and nothing bad happens – or out the b*st*rd and maybe (almost certainly?) all hell breaks loose. So, which do I choose?”

    “But outing him over “eligibility” is a lose/lose proposition.”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:43 pm |
    “How is Obama being ineligible ruining the country? His being ineligible does not appear to have harmed the country in any way. After he is voted out in 2012, we can all breath a great sigh of relief and move on. We could even then pass stricter vetting legislation – either national or state or both. This would prevent any problems in the future. In the meantime nothing horrible is happening.”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    we cannot…rely on “constitution says I have a right to do this or that”. The leaders and decision makers give not a fig for that.
    The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty… You can’t win a war if you don’t recognize when a battle has been lost – and it is time to retreat…
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 12:51 am |
    I am convinced… that whether or not Zero is eligible is no big deal either way… there is no down side to Zero being ineligible and there are serious potential repercussions if he is formally kicked out for this single reason.”

  63. Free Speech @ 1:08 pm | Imagine this, the Hollywood set who thinks Obama is so cool, the ladies having to wear the burqa, most people would be grateful if they wore clothes at all. This could be big trouble down the road.

  64. Free Speech @ 1:18 pm | There is another scenario possible due to Obama’s ineligibility-what if there is a Hitler like entity roaming the Earth today and that person decides Obama is a sissy-woos. He mulls it over in his head, I can take Obama easy, so usurper #2, usurps/overthrows usurper # 1-that could create quite a mess. Anybody’s guess whether it would be peaceful or the alternative.

  65. The signs still point that Obama will not run for a second term, far too hurdles this time around.

    Something notable though, is Hilary Clinton now meeting with her high ranking donars, even with those that backed Obama? Why? I say she is behind the doors preping for the 2012, relying on Obama’s complete failures and the Buyers remorse from those that backed Obama plus the voters remorse. It will not be obama she runs against and she knows it.

    But even so, those independants and Dems that do have buyers remorse and are posting here and elsewhere as well as joined the tea party, will follow Hillary in a heartbeat when she runs.

    The humor is that there is absolutely zero, nada, no difference between Hillary and Obamas beliefs. They both believe the government is above the people and constitution, forced healthcare, open boarders for illegal immigrants, against states rights, big government, high taxes, anti capitalists,
    Spreading the wealth through theft, the love of Marx, Mao and Stalin, pandering to our enemies, and the list goes on and on.

    Hillary is in fact a progressive liberal socialist and very proud of it.

    A COMMUNIST IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SOCIALIST WHO REALLY MEANS IT………..

  66. The signs still point that Obama will not run for a second term, far too many hurdles this time around.

    Something notable though, is Hilary Clinton now meeting with her high ranking donars, even with those that backed Obama? Why? I say she is behind the doors preping for the 2012, relying on Obama’s complete failures and the Buyers remorse from those that backed Obama plus the voters remorse. It will not be obama she runs against and she knows it.

    But even so, those independants and Dems that do have buyers remorse and are posting here and elsewhere as well as joined the tea party, will follow Hillary in a heartbeat when she runs.

    The humor is that there is absolutely zero, nada, no difference between Hillary and Obamas beliefs. They both believe the government is above the people and constitution, forced healthcare, open boarders for illegal immigrants, against states rights, big government, high taxes, anti capitalists,
    Spreading the wealth through theft, the love of Marx, Mao and Stalin, pandering to our enemies, and the list goes on and on.

    Hillary is in fact a progressive liberal socialist and very proud of it.

    A COMMUNIST IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SOCIALIST WHO REALLY MEANS IT………..

  67. Obama’s latest attempt to buy votes, that’s how I see it.
    Obama proposed $50 billion to rebuild road, rails and runways
    MiamiHerald.com – Steven Thomma – ‎21 minutes ago‎
    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama Monday proposes a quick $50 billion boost in federal spending to rebuild roads, railways and runways – a move he says will create jobs and which Democrats hope will improve their election prospects …

  68. Carlyle…. on your reference to Suntzu and von Clausewitz

    I can’t prove it, but I would wager a bet that I was seriously studying SunTzu and Von Vlausewitz in the military when you were still in kindergarten…but nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing how you would fight this war when you seem to be turning your back to the enemy all the time.

    And please make no mistake about it, …WE ARE AT WAR and have been ever since 20 January 2009.

    As Pogo would say…Are you with us or against us?

  69. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm |

    One of bo’s biggest problems is that the muslim mobsters control him. They put bo in office and they can take him out if he is no longer useful to their goal of muslim world domination.

  70. We all have to make sure we get out and vote.
    Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 48%, Democrats 36%
    Monday, September 06, 2010 1:35:44 PM · by ChicagoConservative27 · 12 replies
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot ^
    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely Voters would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate, while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent. The survey data was collected on the seven days ending Sunday, September 5, 2010.

  71. Free Speech @ 1:42 pm |
    “One of bo’s biggest problems is that the muslim mobsters control him.”
    I wonder why the Italian mob is putting up with this, now I’m trying to guess who are the bigger control freaks.

  72. RMinNC | September 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm |
    Carlyle…. on your reference to Suntzu and von Clausewitz

    I can’t prove it, but I would wager a bet that I was seriously studying SunTzu and Von Vlausewitz in the military when you were still in kindergarten…but nevertheless, I would be interested in hearing how you would fight this war when you seem to be turning your back to the enemy all the time.

    As Pogo would say…Are you with us or against us?
    ===========================================

    cc fubo is clearly anti-America.

  73. ooooooops sorry for this mistake…before someone jumps on me….

    my old fingers can’t keep up this morning.

    the last post should have been von Clausewitz instead of von Vlausewitz.

  74. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    RMinNC | September 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm |

    =================================

    I turn my back to the enemy the same way that might appear the case in an “end around” or “double reverse”. Running the ball up the middle over and over and over makes no sense. Especially when “the enemy” has signaled that they are totally ready for that.

    We need a bigger and more sophisticated play book.

    And for those of you who accuse me of resigning the war – I said no such thing. I said we lost a battle – I did not say we lost the war. I am suggesting that we “regroup” and charge a different hill, or charge the current hill from a different direction.

    And again – contrary to what FS say – which is always the case – over the last several days, in particular, I have specified several better solutions. More specifically in one of my essays I specifically highlighted “that is a weak play” vs. “this is a strong play”.

    I really hope FS enjoys boxing with his own self-created malignant strawmen. He sure does a lot of it.

    Paxson, above, hit the nail pretty square. I am helping you all THINK. There is indeed more than one way to skin a cat. But I would go even farther – there are BETTER ways.

  75. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    !?!! | September 6, 2010 at 1:34 am |

    All you others in positions of responsibility,

    Aka obama’s secrecy about his past is just. plain. WEIRD . . . . I mean, W.A.A.A.A.Y.Y.Y. WEIRD — for any human being.

    For the sake of us all, especially for our children, reconsider your reasons for ignoring this obvious fact. Whatever those reasons are, they aren’t good enough.

    =========================================

    This is the right approach. This is very critical stuff but does not mention birth or eligibility or NBC even once.

    The strong argument is that Obama’s hiding of documents and past is a national security threat of unimaginable proportions. That is the “point of the spear” of the argument.

    If he indeed has problems with birth and eligibility, then that will come out as a byproduct. This is the way we win. Not to lead with the birther stuff but to have it come out as a conclusion.

    I have more SUGGESTIONS than anyone else here – and maybe more than all put together. Many/most of you seem fixated in pounding your heads against the same spot on the same wall over and over – even though the wall is getting thicket, not thinner. If that amuses you, I cannot stop you. But if I can provide even a glimmer of insight to a few of you, I will have succeeded.

  76. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584092/posts
    Virginia’s attorney general, already at legal war with the federal government on two fronts, said Thursday that more offensives are possible.
    “Unfortunately, we have a federal government that’s giving us more opportunities than I wish they would,” Ken Cuccinelli – who’s in battles over climate change and health care – told an overflow crowd of more than 200 at a town hall meeting.
    Although most in the crowd appeared supportive of Cuccinelli, his comment came in response to one of the dissenting voices, a citizen who wanted to know how much the attorney general’s clashes are costing taxpayers.
    Since he took office in January, Cuccinelli has brought three legal actions that touch on hot-button initiatives of the Obama administration.
    (more)
    Comment
    To: DeaconBenjamin
    …how much the attorney general’s clashes are costing taxpayers.
    How much is your freedom worth?

  77. Army DAV, First, thanks for your service. Regarding removal of BHO and presidential succession, at a minimum, we would be entering uncharted mined territory.

  78. sorry FUBO

    But you make absolutely no sense to me.

    I can’t speak for anyone else on this blog, but to me it’s your logic thats W.a.a.a.a.y.y.y WEIRD.

  79. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Hey, FREE SPEECH, I actually love it when you extensively quote from my work. It gives my research and analysis longer legs and extra life! But if you are going to do it, here are the proper HTML tags (see, in addition, the gray text under the comment box).

    Instead of the “b” inside the angle brackets to begin a bold, use “blockquote” to begin a quote. To end, use “/blockquote” inside the angle brackets. Also, you can use the “bold” or “italics” designators (or both) inside the blockquote to highlight various things.

  80. We must be careful not to offend Muslims – Geez, are we nuts?
    Multitudes of Muslims around the world chant “death to America”, but we are advised to be careful not to offend them. A local Muslim who is pro American and anti-violent Islam once said to me, “I fear they will win because they don’t have a ‘turn the other cheek’ teaching”
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/we-must-be-careful-not-to-offend.html

  81. Crystal @ 2:05 pm |
    “Regarding removal of BHO and presidential succession
    entering uncharted mined territory”
    Yes, but face it we must-this gives me a whole new respect for George Washington and his 30 per cent-rebels v/s crown. Talk about uncharted territory against the biggest power in the world. Read this book for inspiration, George Washington still has the power to inspire. What a great man, what a great leader-how petty and stupid and incompetent/corrupt Obama looks like in comparison (actually it would be insulting to George Washington to compare).
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/107874/summary_of_the_book_1776_by_david_mccullough.html
    The book 1776 by David McCullough covers a series of events from the announcement of war against the American colonies by King George the III in 1775, to the great American victory at Trenton in 1776. Washington lead an army of Americans from various backgrounds and ages most of whom were inexperienced and had had no training. The British Redcoats on the other hand were well equipped and experienced and were being commanded by general William Howe. Henry Knox, a bookseller at the age of thirty five and Nathaniel Green, a quaker at the age of twenty five were both inexperienced generals in general Washington,s army, the commander-in-chief.
    (more)

  82. CC Fubo, I take you at your word that you are on your side and I agree with a few aspects of what you are saying. That is why I am so pro-Issa getting subpoena power. There are plenty of ways to attack the criminality of this administration and ending with the “eligibility” prosecution is just as fine with me as leading with it. The bottom line is that it cannot be swept under the rug as the precedent will have been set and any globalist organization will be able to come into our country and “set up shop” to control us, as they have today as we speak.

    That being said, I think what troubles FS and others is that you refer to “birthers” as somebody else, like here…”The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty”. We are all “birthers” here and you sound like a run of the mill RINO when you diminish what has, and will continue to, foist our country into a constitutional crisis. You don’t believe that Obama fits the NBC eligiblity requirement, do you? Obama, at the minimum, is not eligible due to the dual citizenship that he held at birth. There are many other scenarios from there, that we all know about and I’m not going to get into here. Sweeping it under the rug for fear of social unrest is garbage. If he isn’t eligible, which we know that he isn’t, then let the chips fall where the may for the sake of our children’s future.

  83. KABUL—The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said the planned burning of Qurans on Sept. 11 by a Florida church could put the lives of American troops in danger and damage the war effort.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703713504575475500753093116.html?mod=WSJ_newsreel_world

    Methinks Generalesimo Betryus should reconsider commenting on US domestic affairs. Last time I checked we had freedom of religion and 1st ammendment rights to free speech.

  84. Very true Paxson,

    I am amazed at how many people often critize any and all legal strategies and “Only Their” tactic will work, hense drop your battle, join me, your cause is lost without it mentality.

    Personally I am no fan of putting all your eggs in one basket. No fight, No Battel, No War has ever been won in such manner.

  85. I wonder where the order for Gen. Betrayus to comment on the actions of a Church in Florida originated from?

  86. Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

    I am no admirer of the Muslim religion, but the visual of a stack of burning Q’urans will undermine everything that we are trying to accomplish here and elsewhere. It will accomplish absolutely nothing positive and will be used against us. It’ll be compared to the 1950’s and the bannning of books like Huckleberry Finn etc.

    We need to be agressive, but let the leftists (the Trumka’s of the world) do the stupid stuff. Let’s use our brains.

  87. According to UCMJ experts, the Army does not need to conduct discovery to prove that Lt. Col. Lakin is guilty of missing troop deployment and is guilty without any need to conduct discovery about what it considers extraneous matters outside it jurisdiction. If so many in the UCMJ legal community were able to predict this outcome, why did Lt. Col. Lakin receive advice that he would be entitled to conduct discovery of the CIC’s documents? To think that he could/will be shorn of his officership and incarcerated based upon faulty counsel seems needless and tragic. The Pentagon acts to insulate a CIC because Congress, SCOTUS, and SOS’s refused to do their jobs. We see now that no one is accountable for this nonsense except our troops, which adds insult to injury since they must obey all of his lawful orders, but are not entitled to question his legality to issue those orders.
    Leo Donofrio’s suit reiterating Candidate Obama’s British citizenship at birth through his Kenyan father makes the birth certificate issue moot, imho.
    How absurd that George Washington led troops to fight, bleed, starve, freeze and die for the idea that men have a right to govern free from an imperious, foreign monarch only for the people in 2008 to elect a POTUS and CIC who will not produce his papers to establish he is free from foreign influence? But, why take my word on this when you have C-Span to inform you on the absolute truth on the question of the nbc clause, and other issues already under attack by the left?
    Watching the C-Span video about the issue of succession and the left’s desire to maintain party control over the presidency after a declaration of disability, prompted me to watch the other two videos again and reflect on why we are still asking for proof from the President when he still refuses us transparency? A pundit on of the cable channels called the Office of the Presidency our equivalent of an elected monarch. As this was not the intent of the Founders, we should resist foreign usurpation by holding fast to the nbc clause of the Constitution to maintain the rule of law at all costs. Perhaps, this is what Lt. Col. Lakin is trying to communicate through his self-sacrifice to what he believes in and his military code of honor.
    Presidential Requirement Amendment
    July 24, 2000
    House Judiciary Committee
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/158377-1
    Video at 34:45 mark references President’s role as CIC. “The one area of presidential authority that is unchecked and uncheckable is the President’s power as Commander-in-Chief,” states Professor Forrest McDonald, University of Alabama, professor of History and author and expert on The Constitution.
    This hearing on the proposed amendment to substitute the natural born citizen requirement for the presidency in favor of candidates with 20 years as a U.S. naturalized citizen was proposed in 2000 by Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA). Although the video is ten years old, it is a very good primer on what the House Judiciary (under the Republican leadership) understood to be the qualifications for the highest office in the land. If you have not googled U.S. Senate Resolution 511 (2008) handling the question of John McCain’s eligibility for the presidency and establishing the definition of nbc as one born to two citizen parents on U.S. soil, it would behoove you to do so.
    If you’re pressed for time, begin at 28:53 when Professor McDonald addresses the committee on Washington’s letter to John Jay transmitting the need to insulate the presidency from foreign influence and divided loyalties. McDonald explains the historical context of the Founders’ concerns were rooted in the usurpation of the Polish elected monarch’s power in 1772 through influence of the foreign agents of Austrian, Russian and Prussian governments. Professor McDonald begins his remarks with some comical relief positing that his belief in the absolute justification of the natural born citizenship clause arises from Ahnold Schwarzenegger. Professor McDonald’s concerns were justified by the recent presidential aspirational rumblings from the Governator.
    The video below foreshadows thinking in the legal community and left on how to insure political continuity should the Chief Executive or Vice President be disabled and unable to serve. By legally empowering the President to appoint a Cabinet member as third in line to the presidency, bypassing the Speaker of the House in the event of a catastrophe, the party in power would maintain the status quo and continue the President’s agenda. No succession would occur to the opposition party regardless of the will of the voters.
    25th Amendment and Presidential Disability
    April 16, 2010
    Fordham University, Law School
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293043-2
    And, this curious exchange between Brian Lamb, C-Span founder, who is not known for being confrontational, yet who seems to lob a grenade into the middle of what should be an innocuous puff piece about the perks of living and working in the White House and matters of interior decoration in the Oval Office.
    President Obama Oval Office Interview
    President Obama Oval Office Interview
    August 12, 2010
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295273-1
    At the 7:49 minute mark Lamb asks the President, “Do you ever feel, in the White House, like you’re going to be here for a long time?”

  88. “We need to be agressive, but let the leftists (the Trumka’s of the world) do the stupid stuff. Let’s use our brains.”

    I agree not the smartest thing, but it’s their right to burn whatever book they want.
    Betratus needs to do his job and quit making excuses. It’s above his paygrade to be commenting on US domestic affairs.

  89. I meant “Betrayus”

  90. Hi Michelle – There is always a possibility of causing a LOT of unintended consequences by pushing the agenda to remove BHO. If you look back to the civil war, it is possible that the issues at stake could have been framed in a way so as to prevent the incredible blood shed and loss of life. There will be complicity at all levels, even within the birther movement. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t push this agenda, it just means we need to do so with a lot of forethought and with an unwavering dedication to the cause. It helps to be on God’s side….

    CURRENTLY, the patriots of this country do not have a political voice in how this country is run. The patriots, in the sense that we are a representative republic, are not being represented. This means that if we want a non-violent solution, we must work through the election process and we must find ways to re-align the politics to be constitutionally based. We have to do this beginning at the local level. Anyone who thinks the repubs are going to prosecute and remove BHO is a fool! NO ONE AT THE ELECTED LEVEL WILL GO ALONG WITH THE BIRTHERS. No one will support removing BHO. I HATE to be wrong, but I don’t see a repub house or senate beginning in 2011, willing to do any different. Now Issa might get subpoena power, but that doesn’t mean he will get cooperation. The tentacles of guilt touch almost all the elected officials in DC. It is also possible that Issa is corruptible.

    In my opinion, our country is suffering the consequences of allowing evil to gain a foothold through the guise of tolerance of all the -isms. When it is acceptable and even vogue to put a crucifix in a jar of urine and call it brilliant “art” with hardly an outcry of offense, our culture has failed and the mainstream media has been successful in re-defining this country as a secular nation.

  91. Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm |
    “We need to be agressive, but let the leftists (the Trumka’s of the world) do the stupid stuff. Let’s use our brains.”

    I agree not the smartest thing, but it’s their right to burn whatever book they want.
    Betratus needs to do his job and quit making excuses. It’s above his paygrade to be commenting on US domestic affairs.
    __________________________________________________

    I never said that it wasn’t his first ammendment right to do so. It’s just that we are in a battle for the “hearts and minds” of about 10 to 15% of the population who identify as “independents”. Unfortunately without them we will ultimately lose. Their minds are malleable (mostly because they are morons) and the MSM will do it’s best to take away any gains that we have made.

    The bottom line is we need to fight our battles and we need to fight them hard. But if you see somebody doing something stupid in our name, especially over the next two months, you need to wonder if they are “plants” to diminish our arguments. The October surprises will be filled with a bunch of people, whom they attribute to being us, doing stupid sh.t that makes us look bad. Be on the lookout.

  92. Crystal | September 6, 2010 at 2:05 pm |

    Army DAV, First, thanks for your service. Regarding removal of BHO and presidential succession, at a minimum, we would be entering uncharted mined territory.
    ***************
    Realizing that , would you still be willing to enter the uncharted territory. ?

  93. Sam Sewell, Bill Cutting, etc.: Instead of burning ko-rants in a bonfire, how much better we just take the ko-rant verse by verse and their ha(te)diths and argue against the use of religious moral teachings to justify stonings, hanging homosexuals, maiming people, beheadings, torture, mandatory Islamic faith, obligatory prostration, suicide bombing, etc?
    How much more useful those korants would be in the hands of internet posters posting one ko-rantic verse at a time and arguing for reason and tolerance?
    We may not like it but the video of the burning of the ko-rants at this church may inspire physical acts of violence against our troops. We need to use the kor-rant as a tool to demystify, argue against and delegltimize religious justification for violence, discrimination, intolerance and advancement of theocratic government aka the Calip-Hate. This is a far better use of our free speech, one in which we dismantle the moral legitmacy of such a barabaric and discriminatory manifesto of war. Their own book and a focused campaign on the internet to inform the public of the truth behind their teachings, especially that all the later violent teaching of their book negate the earlier, peaceful teachings. We need a discussion, a dialogue and the musselmen don’t want to admit to the facts, they rely on ignorance, fear and hate. Can’t we keep our heads and use reason to combat ignorance, superstition, oppression and propaganda?
    Our troops are working to liberate these people from the shackles of ignorance. They are risking their lives to break the bondage of institutional violence. Can’t we work to assist them on the home front?

  94. Lillibet | September 6, 2010 at 3:11 pm |

    I 100% agree with everything that you said here, Lillibet.

  95. If there is anymore discussion on Piglosi taking over the Office, I will hunt you down. She is the SCUM responsible. That thing belongs in Gitmo!!!!

  96. Paxon @ Lillibet
    That kumbaya stuff stopped on 9/11 for me.
    I am not fine with some General commenting on US domestic affairs. If we can’t win this war, Betrayus needs to say so, then have the Pentagon order the immediate withdrawl.
    I stand by the right of these morons to burn whatever book they want, no matter what the Islamists radicals and their Lackeys in Washignton say.
    Either we live under a Constitution or we don’t.

  97. The MSM has spent the better part of two years working hard to define us so the can make a caricature out of us. At first they said that we were meaningless and fringe. Then we gained real influence. Influence that their pointy little heads can’t wrap their arms around. They want us to have leaders, because then they can destroy the person in our name (it is much easier to take down one person, rather than a movement). What they don’t get is that our leader is the United States Constitution as it was written. Although we have lost some major battles, I believe that good will prevail over evil. I do agree that (paraphrasing) all that it takes for evil to succeed is for good men (and women) to do nothing.

    The last thing that we need to do is give the MSM a caricature of our movement to exploit for the leftists. Let’s keep moving forward, with all methods at our disposal. Each person doing their part, big or small. In fact, the collection of all of the small contributions that each of us are making is having much more impact than waiting for the RINO’s to act in our name.

    Keep in mind that it is driving the left and the press crazy wondering how they allowed this to happen. We need to stop the morons on our side from jeapordizing all of our hard work and we need to be on the lookout for “plants”, who claim to be one of us, but are part of the disinformation campaign.

  98. AZ-legal citizen

    Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

    I am no admirer of the Muslim religion, but the visual of a stack of burning Q’urans will undermine everything that we are trying to accomplish here and elsewhere.
    ——————————–
    Anyone smell a RAT? It wouldn’t be the first time a clergy member pretended to be on the other side! Some clergy are worst than the politicians doing things for money! Maybe OLD SOROS is not only going after the Tea Party. Discrediting the Christians opposed to the Ground Zero Mosque just makes me think of SOROS…

  99. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 2:32 pm |
    CC Fubo,

    … There are plenty of ways to attack the criminality of this administration and ending with the “eligibility” prosecution is just as fine with me as leading with it. The bottom line is that it cannot be swept under the rug as the precedent will have been set and any globalist organization will be able to come into our country and “set up shop” to control us, as they have today as we speak.

    That being said, I think what troubles FS and others is that you refer to “birthers” as somebody else, like here…”The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty”. We are all “birthers” here and you sound like a run of the mill RINO when you diminish what has, and will continue to, foist our country into a constitutional crisis… Obama, at the minimum, is not eligible due to the dual citizenship that he held at birth. There are many other scenarios from there, that we all know about and I’m not going to get into here. Sweeping it under the rug for fear of social unrest is garbage. If he isn’t eligible, which we know that he isn’t, then let the chips fall where the may for the sake of our children’s future.
    =================================================
    Well Stated!

    cc fubo sets up a strawman issue by harping on the birther issue. Even if bo was born in Hawaii, he is not eligible according to the NBC qualifications because his father was not a US Citizen by his own admission. Furthermore, even if bo was born in US, he relinquished any US Citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo and became an Indonesian Citizen and there is no record of bo ever applying to reinstate US Citizen, probably because his original citizenship would have come under question in the application process.

    Furthermore, even if bo was to now disavow HBO Sr as his father for some US citizen like Frank, he would still be guilty of fraud in posting the COLB with BHO sr as his father.

  100. How detestable to spend money on that loathsome book just to be able to argue against its hateful teachings, huh, Paxson. Just imagine, a thousand posters, even a hundred thousand, a million, ten million posters on the internet each posting a verse and then asking why violence and discrimination in the name of religion should be allowed into the United States, or the United Nations and allowed cover of legitimacy as a viable expression of morality or moral authority for the 21ste century? The power of one multiplied to ten million lifting up human rights and freedom, decrying barbarism and religious superstition, institutional Shariah and hate crimes in the name of allat.

  101. Furthermore, there is ample evidence of bo and his criminal co-conspirators crimes for an impeachment of bo.

  102. Army DAV – I have never quit or failed at a cause I have undertaken. I haven’t watched TV or gone to a movie in over a decade. I don’t willingly partake of any aspect of society that is complicit in undermining our humanity. To my knowledge, I was the only person on this blog to question the election of RINO Scott Brown (pro-abortion) to the senate – for which I was chastised. However, many on this blog didn’t care about his stand on abortion and didn’t want to hear about it. So, I am almost always in a minority. I for one am done with compromises!!!

    The BHO ineligibility issue is multifaceted. It is likely we are only looking at the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. It doesn’t make sense to go on the offensive before you understand what is at stake and understand the scope of the issues at hand. What I’ve read on this blog and others does not lead me to believe that we have enough “fire power” and are ready to take on this issue. We need to understand how and why BHO was “elected.” Who put him there and why!!!! When we start asking those questions and exploring the potential answers, then we will understand the scope of this issue and then we can strategize and confront this problem. The “rah rah, let’s roll attitude” does not make me feel very confident, even if we are right about the eligibility issue.

  103. 9pm EDT 9/6 LTC LAKIN ! FINAL DESTRUCTION F OUR CONSTITUTION !
    ANDREA KING SHOW !!!
    Constitutional Emergency

    Tim Harrington and JB Williams will be on Andrea’s show tonight (9-6-10). They will be discussing LTC Lakin’s case and how Army Col. Denise R. Lind ruled in a hearing regarding the evidence to be allowed in the scheduled October court-martial of Lakin that he will be denied access to any of Obama’s records as we…ll as any testimony from those who may have access to the records. This totally removes LTC Lakin’s constitutional right to have a defense before a court a law. If this is allowed to stand then our constitution will be fully and totally trashed.
    Please go to the show and show your support for LTC Lakin and our Troops and Veterans.
    You can listen to the show here:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2010/09/07/the-andrea-shea-king-show

    Call-in Number: (646) 478-4604

    Show time is :

    9:00 pm EDT
    8:00 pm CST
    7:00 pm Mountain Time
    6:00 pm West Coast

    This is a very important show that will give us the information on the history of the UCMJ and the Courts Martial Defense of LTC Terrence Lakin. If Col. Denise R. Lind’s ruling is allowed to stand, then LTC Lakin’s constitutional right to self defense is taking away from him. If this stands, our constitution falls. This matter is of the utmost importance. JB and Tim will explain it all for us and give direction of what needs to happen to stop this final destruction of our constitution.

    Courts Martial Defense of LTC Terrence Lakin
    http://thepatriotsnews.com/lakin-trial.htm
    Issued September 3, 2010

    http://standupamericaus.com/stand-up-america-exclusive-lakin-defense-options:37663

    Press Release: Three-Star General Files Sworn Affidavit Supporting LTC Lakin’s Case
    http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/aug-31-three-star-general-swears-affidavit.html

    Visit Constitutional Emergency at: http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network

  104. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

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    Look carefully, you will find that almost every time I seem to use the term pejoratively, I am saying what the PTBs are saying.

    In the one example you mention, I should have perhaps said – “We, the birthers, have been beat”. If we are too stupid to realize that we have just lost a MAJOR battle – one so pivotal that we need to regroup and reconsider our options – then we all deserve to lose.

    Finally, I am indeed frustrated with those who harp on NBC. In the context where I use “birther” to describe these people, I am probably not kind. And yes, they are Second Person, “others”. They do not include me.

    My reasoning is very simple. There is no legal definition of NBC. So you cannot say whether or not Obama is NBC or not. I agree as strongly as any of you what the definition of NBC should be and what I believe the founders meant it to be. But until some important legal entity sorts it out, it matters not one fig what you or I (or FS or anybody else) “think” or “wish”. This is a dead end.

    I have further stated – and no I can’t prove it, but the handwriting is on the wall loud and clear – that no appropriate legal entity will define NBC in an exclusive manner while Zero is in office. They may recognize a “loophole” and choose to plug it for the future. But they will NOT “de-legitimatize” any sitting official by creating a definition. That makes no sense for any legitimate legal or political process. If you all cannot see this, you are blind beyond imagining.

    So, I pray for us to focus our energies on something that WILL work. Force Zero to publish his records. Let the documents tell the tale. There may be things in there we have not yet imagined. And 95%+ probability: He is not a citizen of any type – he is NOT American, never was.

    Now THAT’s a horse we can ride all the way to the finish!

  105. Bill Cutting @ 3:36:
    Thanks for accusing me of having a kumbaya moment. Every day I fight against the impulse to rail against the disinformation and horse hockey coming out of this administration ala Its-lame and the founding documents are all antiquated parchments without illumination.
    It’s not that I can’t resort to hate speech; I can quite ably. It’s that I’d rather beat them at their game by proving them wrong, liars, taqiyya artists in the realm of civilized discussion. We have all the ammunition we need in their book of hate which they continue to insist entitles them to hate and murder. We must force them to push the reformation or reset button and bring their practice and teaching into line with the civilized world. Merely lighting bonfires seems a pagan-inspired method of destorying their hate manual. But, in every university where Its-lame is taught as a legitimate subject, in every madrassa and every mosque where hate competes for reason, we lose by virtue of attacking them only on one level.
    Why limit the attack to merely burning that book; destroy/dismantle/delegitimize the very words/teachings/laws which maintain their illusion of moral authority and moral relevance to the 21st century.

  106. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Crystal | September 6, 2010 at 2:52 pm |

    There is always a possibility of causing a LOT of unintended consequences by pushing the agenda to remove BHO. If you look back to the civil war, it is possible that the issues at stake could have been framed in a way so as to prevent the incredible blood shed and loss of life. There will be complicity at all levels, even within the birther movement. This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t push this agenda, it just means we need to do so with a lot of forethought and with an unwavering dedication to the cause.

    ===================================

    PING! An angel gets it’s wings every time someone THINKS. Good job Crystal. We need lots more thinking and lots less knee jerks.

  107. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 2:56 pm |

    Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm |

    =====================================

    It is quite amazing that you two – and others here quite quickly gravitate to a discussion and comparison of what is right vs. what is effective.

    Yet when we try to have that very same discussion on “the Zero situation”, such clarity and willingness to discuss is lacking.

  108. This is an excerpt from a piece I posted a week or so ago:

    This is it. Obama’s last stand of refusal to prove his eligibility. If Obama refuse this time, the wolves of the world will grab him by the throat. No matter what Obama and his dogs attempt to do to Lt. Col. Lakin, they will fail to discredit him. If they murder Lt. Col. Lakin he will become the martyr who will seed a civil war to over throw this Muslim/Fascist regime. If Obama succeeds in manipulating the military justice system to court martial him, Lakin will become the spirit and leader of the patriotic Americans who have the honor and integrity to insist Obama produce his records or go to jail. Best of all, if at long last Obama does produce his records and it shows Obama is not eligible—then America will ask him to run for president! Lt. Col. Lakin will become larger than life and glorified for his high moral character. Such an American man will one day stand shoulder to shoulder with Gandhi and Mother Theresa.

    No matter what O’muslim and his pack of dogs do to Terrence Lakin— is a win/lose situation for the fraud. Lt. Col. Lakin is Obama’s last straw. G. Gordon Liddy and many others are working diligently to bring this forward. It is only a matter of time Lt. Col. Lakin’s name will be as familiar to the world as is Obama’s. This is one of the most historical cases in years and will be told for all history. The end of the silence regarding Ofraud’s constitutional eligibility has come.
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    Now that we have been handed Judge Lind’s decision, we can count the beginning of the end of Obama and his shredding the last bits of the constitutional hope we had. They have back us to the wall. We have no where else to go. It ain’t over until the fat lady sings. Lt.Col. Lakin has been conspicuously missing from Glen Beck’s honor role at his 8.28.2010 rally, his radio & TV programs and his new web site The Blaze. Lt. Col. Lakin has been conspicuosly missing from any of Rush Limbaugh’s brodcasts for the past two months (correct me if I am wrong on this one. I am using memory.)

    This silence is deliberate, loud, and clear. The silence regarding Lt. Col. Lakin, Judge Lind’s decision, and the final rape of our constitution is going to ring loud andd painful into the ears, hearts and minds of the world. The backlash of this treason has begun.

    Remember: EVERYTHING A USURPER DOES IS UNLAWFUL AND CANNOT BE APPLIED. IF HE SHREDDED THE CONSTITUION AMAONG ALL HIS OTHER CRIMES–THE CONSTITUTION IS AUTOMATICALLY RESTORED ONCE HE IS FOUND GUILTY OF USURPATION. IN SPITE OF ALL THE APPEARANCES OF AN INPENATRABLE PROTECTION SHIELD, IT CAN BE CRACKED. IT WILL BE CRACKED. FROM NOW ON I WILL BE LOOKING FOR ANY AND ALL WEAKNESSES TO CRACK.

    LET’S START WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WH HAS ALREADY THROWN UNDER THE BUS.

  109. Free Speech @ 3:45 pm |
    “Furthermore, there is ample evidence of bo and his criminal co-conspirators crimes for an impeachment of bo.”
    Yes, and it the wonderful world of irony and justice I would love to see Lt Col Terry Lakin as President.
    I will start it off, as a natural born citizen of the United States of America, I hereby nominate Lt Col Terry Lakin for President of the United States of America. I am assuming he is a natural born citizen.
    If he is jailed he is in good company: Nelson Mandela, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and many other freedom fighters around the world.

  110. usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com @ 4:14 pm |
    Very good, looks like we were thinking somewhat alike.

  111. Regarding NBC, several posting here provide disinformation. Definitions referring to blood and dirt go back to Vattel and our Founding. Most recently, Senate Resolution 511 received 99 votes saying NBC means two US citizen parents and born in the US. There is no ambiguity or uncertainty regarding the meaning of NBC. Misrepresentations like this, often repeated, mean it is safe for us to discount the source of disinformation.

  112. Sir William 1:36 PM
    “The humor is that there is absolutely zero, nada, no difference between Hillary and Obamas beliefs. They both believe the government is above the people and constitution, forced healthcare, open boarders for illegal immigrants, against states rights, big government, high taxes, anti capitalists,
    Spreading the wealth through theft, the love of Marx, Mao and Stalin, pandering to our enemies, and the list goes on and on”.
    “Hillary is in fact a progressive liberal socialist and very proud of it.”
    ****************************************
    Imo, you have hit the nail on the head exactly about Hillary. If you have read any of her biographies you will know that she sat at the feet of Saul Alinsky just as Obama. She is philosophically for everything that Obama is for, except Islam, and I’m not so sure about that.

    What has happened is that most of the Democrats upset over Obama’s takeover were Hillary supporters. With Obama’s atrocious actions these Dems got their eyes opened to a great extent; however, many, not all, are newcomers to the conservative beliefs that some of us have embraced for years and years. No, we haven’t been happy at all with the defection of Repubs to progressive thought and action over the years and have tried to restore the Repub Party to Constitutional principles. It has been an everlasting battle.

    If Hillary were to run in 2012, we’d be surprised how many who now are anti-Obama to the core would vote for her, because they are not very well grounded in true conservative principles. That reality is why we cannot depend on our country’s restoration based upon removing this vile person that we all detest and want “out.” There will be much more work to do, including, most of all, a reformation of what is taught in public schools, including universities. It is going to be a slow process. The decay did not happen overnight and it won’t end that way either.

  113. Bill G | September 6, 2010 at 4:24 pm |
    Regarding NBC, several posting here provide disinformation. Definitions referring to blood and dirt go back to Vattel and our Founding. Most recently, Senate Resolution 511 received 99 votes saying NBC means two US citizen parents and born in the US. There is no ambiguity or uncertainty regarding the meaning of NBC. Misrepresentations like this, often repeated, mean it is safe for us to discount the source of disinformation.
    ==============================================

    Yes, sources of such disinformation as cc fubo and his cheerleaders are noted and discounted.

    Also as noted yesterday, CW posted the line of succession for POTUS which mentioned eligibility at every level. NBC is clearly a parmount requirement for POTUS. The Congressional Record will show another clear intent that blood and dirt is an absolute requirement. The NBC definition is clear cut in both Judicial and congressional records.

  114. @Lillibet

    “We must force them to push the reformation or reset button and bring their practice and teaching into line with the civilized world.”
    ———————————————————————————————-

    By definition the US military’s mission is to fight and win wars, anything else is a failed plan. IMO
    Again, either Betrayus has a strategy to win the war in Obamastan or we need to hit the STOP button and bring are troops home. It’s not our responsibilty as a country to win the hearts and minds of every third world country or radical religion. The only reason that worked in WW2 is we totally destroyed them first, then spent 50 years and billions of dollars rebuilding.
    We are not reforming anyone over there , radical Islam hates us and always will.

  115. Michelle…I am with you. Lt.Col.Lakin for President.

  116. Jonah | September 6, 2010 at 10:22 am | ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY
    UNDER THE GATEWAY ARCH
    SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 12TH
    12 NOON – 4 PM

    Unless something drastic happens here, we’ll see you Sunday Jonah!!!

    JJ from Kentucky (smiley face inserted here)

  117. Citizen Carlyle 4:00 PM
    “So, I pray for us to focus our energies on something that WILL work. Force Zero to publish his records. Let the documents tell the tale. There may be things in there we have not yet imagined. And 95%+ probability: He is not a citizen of any type – he is NOT American, never was.”

    “Now THAT’s a horse we can ride all the way to the finish!”
    **************************************
    Agreeing with much of what you have written, I somewhat feel that we are splitting hairs too much. For example, your above statement about focusing on his records, etc. and letting the documents tell the tale – Isn’t that ultimately the purpose of the legal action that has been taken? A way to get at those records? Oh, I realize that you feel that we are going down a dead-end street to focus on the NBC and/or birth certificate, and I would agree only to a point.

    All of the past legal efforts have shown SOMETHING that we wouldn’t have known or proved if these efforts had not been made, and that is, BHO is increasingly persistent in withholding vital information – vital to the security of the nation. It has been constantly affirmed: What is Obama hiding and why is he hiding it?

    So, the repeated legal attempts have NOT been in vain. We now know more than ever that he IS hiding stuff. Remember, Lt.Col. Lakin’s trial has not begun. There have been pre-trial hearings. Let’s not jump the gun. We cannot be sure – no matter how much sincere, intelligent conjecture there is – of the outcome. It may not be good, but let’s wait and see. We must not be guilty of viewing events only with human eyes and reason. There is such a thing as divine intervention, you know.

  118. Bill G. 4:24 PM
    “……..Most recently, Senate Resolution 511 received 99 votes saying NBC means two US citizen parents and born in the US. ”
    *********************************
    Resolutions are non-binding, I believe; however, it would give evidence to the opinions of the Senators. It doesn’t have the strength of law, however.

  119. “ Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will

    Whoever is speaking here, I look forward to your explanation when Sharia law is established here by all the Islamic Muslims being sneaked into our govt at all levels!!
    Hold those little daughters’- granddaughters’ hands tight as Islam performs surgery on their private parts and be sure to tell how you sat by while the Muslim in the White House let nothing ‘even bad happen’.
    What a naive statement from anyone following this blog!!

  120. RMinNC | September 6, 2010 at 11:02 am | Hey old Salt, I think FUBO is really Michelle Antoinette. Has to be a woman…

    Whoa…it must be a man—women are fighters–we will not go quietly into the night!!!

  121. This is painful to look at.
    http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20100809,00.html
    If this is Sharia Law, then it is legalized barbarism. It is not moral, not ethical, not humane. It is horrible.

  122. Free Speech – 4:52 PM
    “Yes, sources of such disinformation as cc fubo and his cheerleaders are noted and discounted.”
    **************************
    Why is it that you get so much enjoyment out of constantly harassing another commenter ad nauseam? This business of extracting segments of someone’s post to undermine is low-class by all decent standards, and it is patently unfair. We just have to live with it, however, and extract what we can that is good from you at times.

  123. Now I’m convinced he’s lost his mind, provided he had on in the first place.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584174/posts
    Obama: “They talk about me like a dog”
    CNN via ResistNet ^ | 9/6/2010
    Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 5:34:07 PM by GVnana
    (CNN) – Those following President Obama’s prepared remarks during a speech in Milwaukee, Wisconsin Monday were thrown a bit of a curveball when it came to a description of his critics:
    “Some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for a very long time and they’re not always happy with me. They talk about me like a dog. That’s not in my prepared remarks, but it’s true,” he told a crowd largely consisting of union members.
    OK Freepers. Try to contain yourselves…

  124. JJ | September 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm |
    “ Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will

    Whoever is speaking here, I look forward to your explanation when Sharia law is established here by all the Islamic Muslims being sneaked into our govt at all levels!!
    Hold those little daughters’- granddaughters’ hands tight as Islam performs surgery on their private parts and be sure to tell how you sat by while the Muslim in the White House let nothing ‘even bad happen’.
    What a naive statement from anyone following this blog!!
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ALL THE FOLLOWING ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM cc fubo IN RECENT DAYS ON CW

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm |
    “…we have to lay off the “birther” business…”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm |
    … nothing horrible has happened in two years, so another two years – not so bad.’’
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
    ‘’YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT HE IS FOREIGN BORN. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW FOR SURE, YOU DON’T COUNT. YOU ARE NOT THE DECIDER. THE DECIDERS BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
    There is no current legally binding definition of NBC

    The One…will not ever be taken down on the NBC issue…’’

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:21 pm |
    The Nail in Lakin’s Coffin..
    … orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
    “That nails it. It totally derails Lakin’s case and totally removes Zero from the discussion. In fact: END OF DISCUSSION!”

    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 7:30 pm |
    Maybe we all “know” that Obama is questionable on strict interpretation of eligibility. But nothing horrible has happened. In fact, nothing even sort of bad has happened, and we don’t think it will… So, we have a choice – ignore the eligibility aspects and nothing bad happens – or out the b*st*rd and maybe (almost certainly?) all hell breaks loose. So, which do I choose?”

    “But outing him over “eligibility” is a lose/lose proposition.”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:43 pm |
    “How is Obama being ineligible ruining the country? His being ineligible does not appear to have harmed the country in any way. After he is voted out in 2012, we can all breath a great sigh of relief and move on. We could even then pass stricter vetting legislation – either national or state or both. This would prevent any problems in the future. In the meantime nothing horrible is happening.”
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 5, 2010 at 9:52 pm |
    we cannot…rely on “constitution says I have a right to do this or that”. The leaders and decision makers give not a fig for that.
    The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty… You can’t win a war if you don’t recognize when a battle has been lost – and it is time to retreat…
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 12:51 am |
    I am convinced… that whether or not Zero is eligible is no big deal either way… there is no down side to Zero being ineligible and there are serious potential repercussions if he is formally kicked out for this single reason.”

  125. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 4:00 pm |

    CCFUBO, there are 330,000,000 people in this country. Don’t you think it is possible for some to do “what is right” and others (who are on the same side, with similar objectives) to do what you think is “effective”? There are others, who are not on board with pushing the NBC eligibility issue, who are congruently working within the same movement. Nobody here is arguing against this.

    You seem to think that we are a bunch of rubes here who don’t understand the mechanics of what and who we are up against and that because the preponderance of posts here are surrounding the eligibility issue it’s all that we care about. I believe that Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Scalia will do the right thing when they are presented with the proper case. Will that be enought? I’m not sure.

    Thou doth protest too loudly, methinks. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, as is my nature.

  126. There is something that has been on my mind for a long time, and now is the time to say it gently and kindly.

    It is noticeable that when some posters quote another poster they don’t identify the source of the quotation. This practice results in misunderstandings and misquotations. A perfect example of that was on yesterday’s thread where someone began quoting CC but didn’t cite CC as the poster. Then CC’s quote got picked up as coming from Sam Sewell, and from then on, folks thought it was Sam’s.

    It is also confusing when one starts to read a post. Unless the author of a quote is given, one is not sure if the statement is coming from the present commenter or from a prior one. This is not meant to be picky, in the least; it is only constructive criticism, and I mean NO harm or offense! (smile)

  127. Free Speech 5:42 PM
    “ALL THE FOLLOWING ARE DIRECT QUOTES FROM cc fubo IN RECENT DAYS ON CW”
    *********************
    You know, you seem to be hopeless! Do you ever take seriously what someone else says?

  128. BILL G
    “Regarding NBC, several posting here provide disinformation. Definitions referring to blood and dirt go back to Vattel and our Founding. Most recently, Senate Resolution 511 received 99 votes saying NBC means two US citizen parents and born in the US. There is no ambiguity or uncertainty regarding the meaning of NBC. Misrepresentations like this, often repeated, mean it is safe for us to discount the source of disinformation.|”

    Just a Reminder – Before he was nominated AKA Obama Signed Resolution Describing Him As Ineligible
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/12/just-reminder-before-he-was-nominated.html

  129. We have never seen his medical records, maybe he has already been certified as insane, and he thinks that will be his out.
    http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/09/video-obama-goes-off-teleprompter-and.html
    I can’t wait to see Robert Gibbs walk this one back tomorrow. Surely, some able reporter will ask him to explain in more detail exactly who President Obama was referring to and what comment met the bar for “talk about me like a dog.”
    Interestingly, President Obama abandoned his dry professorial manner and tried to show a little fire in this speech. He must have reviewed some old tapes of Reverend Wright speaking for inspiration.

  130. Paxson…..you stated in a blog and I quote;

    “we are in a battle for the hearts and minds for about 10 or 15% of the population who identify themselves as “independents”……Their minds are mallable (mostly because they are morons)….

    I’m sorry to say but that is the most stupid statement I have read here today. I’m an “independent and will always be one. I do not consider myself a moron. I would never vote for the PARTY line in any election. I vote for the man whom I feel is best qualified to get the job done.

    Thats whats wrong with this country now. People feel they have to vote republican because their daddy voted republican. Some people would vote for a yellow dog as long as he was a democrat . Still others will vote for a 2 dollar bill and a drink of liqour. Votes come cheap to some.

    Now to me that’s MORONIC !

    America must get away from that kind of mentality voting. Today, there are a lot of people from both sides who are on party line ballots that should be in jail instead of running our government.

    By the way the number of “independents” are much higher than you are giving them credit.

    So when you are running down the “independents” voters, you are running down those who are voting for a person’s ability to govern honestly instead of voting blindly for whoever the party “throws up on the wall” and hopes he/ or she will stick.

  131. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm |

    CCFUBO, there are 330,000,000 people in this country. Don’t you think it is possible for some to do “what is right” and others (who are on the same side, with similar objectives) to do what you think is “effective”? There are others, who are not on board with pushing the NBC eligibility issue, who are congruently working within the same movement. Nobody here is arguing against this.

    You seem to think that we are a bunch of rubes here who don’t understand the mechanics of what and who we are up against and that because the preponderance of posts here are surrounding the eligibility issue it’s all that we care about. I believe that Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Scalia will do the right thing when they are presented with the proper case. Will that be enought? I’m not sure.

    Thou doth protest too loudly, methinks. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, as is my nature.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well Stated, Paxon!

    As a result of all of their pro-bo posts, there is no doubt about whose side cc fubo and his cheerleaders are on.

  132. I was referring to the wishy wash voter with no core principles. But thank you for the insult, RM. Feel free to “play the fool” and see where that gets us. This was my point, it appears that it went over your head.

  133. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm |

    ================================

    That is exactly the point. We all “know” what the right answer is. But there is nothing binding and has never been adjudicated or defined by a court or congress. Free Speech out to know better. He says he is a lawyer. He may be right in there is a long record of strong EVIDENCE. But EVIDENCE is not a ORDER or PROCEEDING and courts have “got it wrong” on things that were more clear-cut than this.

  134. Michele,
    Until about 18 months ago Islam was to me an exotic idea along with Sheharade in a far-away-land called Arabia. That was the beginning and of my knowledge or interest in Islam. Since Oblama became in office my knowledge about Islam, Muslims and Sharia Law has increased by volumes because they are right here in our face. Every day I learn of another, and another horror in the name of honor or Allah.

    Michele, the photo in Time magazine is a drop in the bucket compared to what these archaic people do to their women and children. Millions of young girls of victims of genital mutilation, child marrages, slavery and more. Last week my uncle sent me a series of photographs of adults forcing an 8 year old boy’s left arm under the front wheel of a car to be crushed for his crime of stealing a loaf of bread. This occurred in Iran with several adults standing around watching. I didn’t see one adult attempt to stop this atrocity.

    There is so much more I would like to say about this evil religion which is not a religion at all but a total political system hiding under the veil of religion. I see Islam as a dysfunctional religion, created by a dysfunctional pedohpile war monger called Mohammed that has created 1.5 billion dysfunctional soldiers who believe Allah justifies any crime they commit. There is no such thing as a “moderate Muslim”. They all read and believe verbatim in the book that crazy old pedophile Mohammed wrote.

    I for the first time in my life living in America am now afraid living here. I would run but I don’t know where.

  135. usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com | @ 6:20
    To me “total political system hiding under the veil of religion. I see Islam as a dysfunctional” I see these people like Hitler trained the SS. I always wondered how these people became mindless killers, Hitler started the training when they were small children, we are witnessing the product of this training/brainwashing. It was horrific then, it is horrific now.

  136. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm |

    ==================================

    Not splitting hairs. The difference is exactly the same as between burning Qurans or quoting bits from them. Both are potential ways to show our displeasure and promote awareness. One is effective, the is probably not so much. I have a very revealing thought experiment I will post in a moment.

    I never said anything we did was a waste of time. Any more than one would say a frontal charge on a strategic hill is a waste of time. But you learn and move on. We have learned that the hill is fortified stronger and deeper than we thought. So we must retreat and come after it from a different angle.

    We used to think that the problem was a lack of information. How do we get the information we have so carefully researched in front of the right people? Well, we were wrong. “Everybody” now knows the same facts we do – BUT THEY DON’T CARE! That calls for a DIFFERENT APPROACH. The importance of the Lakin case and the judge’s decision is that it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they all know. Not only that but they have circled the wagons.

  137. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm |

    ===================================

    The lack of critical thought – or more specifically the inability to complete an entire thought – is appalling.

    I never said Zero was harmless or that he wasn’t destroying the country, or that he did not have a world/islam agenda. But those are all because he was brought up a Muslim, mentored at the feet of radical cranks, and he himself is a common street thug. Those all lead to the outcomes you and I fear.

    The fact of where he was born and who is parents are, specifically, has nothing to do with his Anti-American activities.

    Imagine a small fiction for a moment. Suppose he was actually born in Hawaii, and suppose BHO Sr. had been naturalized the week before he was born. Then he would be a NBC by anybody’s definition.

    BUT – DRUM ROLL – WE WOULD BE IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION.

    This is why I say that the PTBs say “Maybe he is strictly, by the letter of the law, ineligible. But nothing bad has happened because of just that”.

    (Now, FS – if you are going to quote that, please put it in the mouths of the PTB, not CCFUBO. Is really necessary that I have to spoon feed you?)

  138. CC Fubo, nobody (at least not me) are questioning your reasoning regarding the “art of war”. I hear what you are saying loud and clear and I am in agreement. It’s kind of like Obama’s strategy of making people look at his right hand, when his left hand is doing all of the dirty work. What gets a lot of people (or me, at least) are the suspect comments that you make about “birthers”. You come off as a disinformation agent.

  139. Old Salt and Army DAV take a gander at the American Thinker.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/our_dying_constitution.html

    Pete

  140. CC Fubo, nobody (at least not me) are questioning your reasoning regarding the “art of war”.

    I am. The art of war is gives guidelines for fighting battles, but it isn’t perfect formula. Practically every single guideline in the art of war was violated by Alexander the Great, yet he won every battle.
    Pete

  141. Cabby 4:52 We had very little dissension on this blog until Leo/Free Speech showed up, a little banter, but is was over shortly. Me Thinks maybe Free Speech forgot his teleprompter and he has to re-quote many people and take them down while doing so, if all else fails, He refers to those with post that he cannot understand as OBOTS, all the while keeping any advancement on removing from happening. Sorry but crap like this deteriorates the blog. You can disagree with someones point, but why try to destroy another fellow poster?

  142. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm |

    ==================================

    Thank you for your reasoned response. Seriously. I don’t agree with every body all the time and I don’t expect people to agree with me all the time. But I do require people to THINK. And when people show, how shall I say it nicely? “logic gaps”, in their discussions, I will pummel them. If I remember correctly, you don’t have that problem. That is why I say thank you.

    On this particular comment of yours I only disagree with one thing. And I cannot prove my view (nor can you, I think), so I suppose that means we are both entitled to our respective opinions.

    My opinion is that the USSC has signaled loud and clear that they will not touch this – at least as long as Zero is in office. My main logic – which I believe to be 100% sound and free of gaps – is they have had at least a half dozen opportunities to deal with this and have punted. And the problem and the “too big to fail” aspect gets worse over time. The most beneficial time to deal with this was in the narrow window of Oct-Dec 2008. This could have been nipped in the bud with only marginal chaos.

    If one were to agree with this premise, then everything else I say follows directly from that. If one disagrees, then there is a tiny ray of hope that “charging the same hill over and over” may eventually work.

    But in any case, I believe that is a Weak Play and I want to promote Strong Plays.

  143. Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.
    ============================================

    I agree, Bill G.the posts of cc fubo and his head cheerleader clearly show their false flag colors

    ================================================

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 2:32 pm |
    CC Fubo,

    … There are plenty of ways to attack the criminality of this administration and ending with the “eligibility” prosecution is just as fine with me as leading with it. The bottom line is that it cannot be swept under the rug as the precedent will have been set and any globalist organization will be able to come into our country and “set up shop” to control us, as they have today as we speak.

    That being said, I think what troubles FS and others is that you refer to “birthers” as somebody else, like here…”The “birthers” have been beat. They have finally been ground into the silly putty”. We are all “birthers” here and you sound like a run of the mill RINO when you diminish what has, and will continue to, foist our country into a constitutional crisis… Obama, at the minimum, is not eligible due to the dual citizenship that he held at birth. There are many other scenarios from there, that we all know about and I’m not going to get into here. Sweeping it under the rug for fear of social unrest is garbage. If he isn’t eligible, which we know that he isn’t, then let the chips fall where the may for the sake of our children’s future.
    =================================================
    Well Stated!

    cc fubo sets up a strawman issue by harping on the birther issue. Even if bo was born in Hawaii, he is not eligible according to the NBC qualifications because his father was not a US Citizen by his own admission. Furthermore, even if bo was born in US, he relinquished any US Citizenship when he was adopted by Lolo and became an Indonesian Citizen and there is no record of bo ever applying to reinstate US Citizen, probably because his original citizenship would have come under question in the application process.

    Furthermore, even if bo was to now disavow HBO Sr as his father for some US citizen like Frank, he would still be guilty of fraud in posting the COLB with BHO sr as his father.

    Furthermore, there is ample evidence of bo and his criminal co-conspirators crimes for an impeachment of bo.
    =================================================
    Bill G | September 6, 2010 at 4:24 pm |
    Regarding NBC, several posting here provide disinformation. Definitions referring to blood and dirt go back to Vattel and our Founding. Most recently, Senate Resolution 511 received 99 votes saying NBC means two US citizen parents and born in the US. There is no ambiguity or uncertainty regarding the meaning of NBC. Misrepresentations like this, often repeated, mean it is safe for us to discount the source of disinformation.
    ==============================================

    Yes, sources of such disinformation as cc fubo and his cheerleaders are noted and discounted.

    Also as noted yesterday, CW posted the line of succession for POTUS which mentioned eligibility at every level. NBC is clearly a parmount requirement for POTUS. The Congressional Record will show another clear intent that blood and dirt is an absolute requirement. The NBC definition is clear cut in both Judicial and congressional records.

  144. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Sam Sewell | September 6, 2010 at 5:51 pm |

    ================================

    That is exceeding curious, isn’t it? Perhaps that angle needs to be pursued with more vigor. Maybe there is a “strong play” hiding in that one!

  145. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 6:41 pm |
    CC Fubo,

    What gets a lot of people (or me, at least) are the suspect comments that you make about “birthers”. You come off as a disinformation agent.
    ==================================================

    Exactly!

  146. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 6, 2010 at 6:11 pm |

    As a result of all of their pro-bo posts, there is no doubt about whose side cc fubo and his cheerleaders are on.

    ======================================

    If that statement were true, you would indeed have some meat to chew on. But there is no person on the planet who hates Zero as much or who is as afraid of him. I have never knowingly made a “pro-bo statement” in my life. And if anybody finds one, I’m sure it is a typo. Or I will certainly retract or explain it.

    Sir, I don’t know why I have to keep spoon feeding you, but please consider the following two statements:

    “CCFUBO said Chris Matthews said ‘Obama is the best president ever'”.

    “CCFUBO said ‘Obama is the best president ever'”.

    In both cases, CCFUBO posted the exact phrase ‘Obama is the best president ever’.

    Do you truly see no difference?

  147. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 6, 2010 at 6:54 pm |

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 6:41 pm |

    =================================

    I explained that a few posts ago. Please read before knee jerking.

  148. I care not to be a birther….for I don’t give a rat’s azz where the fraud left the womb…What I do care about is ‘WHO’S YO DADDY?
    Who planted that seed?? Is he a robot?? Is he a test tube product??
    I have the right to know.

  149. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Joy | September 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm |

    … but why try to destroy another fellow poster?

    =====================================

    Because the “other poster” is an insane, bleeping maniac, not worthy of taking up a fair share of the planet’s resources?

    Because the “other poster” is Michelle Obama in disguise, shilling for her Muslim husband?

    Because the “other poster” was paid by DOJ to come here and “do the egg beater” all over this blog?

  150. Now here is a good one . DEM gets it’s wright ….. Thanks Gwen. LOL

    Moore: GOP doubts ‘birth certificate’

    MILWAUKEE, Wis. — Wisconsin Rep. Gwen Moore warmed up a Democratic crowd for President Obama on Monday by accusing Republicans of criticizing Obama for personal reasons.

    After rattling off the GOP’s opposition to the health care law, unemployment insurance and jobs legislation, Moore said “they” don’t like other attributes.

    “They don’t like that he took his wife on a date and bought his daughter ice cream,” she said.

    Moore added, “They ain’t seen his birth certificate.”

    ****************
    http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0910/personal_rebuttal_572e85c1-9414-4170-bc05-d184c824dde5.html

  151. Sam Sewell | September 6, 2010 at 2:15 pm |

    Sam, to me the Muslims here are just KKK without the sheets!!!

  152. Joy | September 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm |
    You said it very well! It is a dirty shame – a distraction and disrespectful.
    Another burden to deal with – SIGH.

  153. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 6:41 pm |

    You come off as a disinformation agent.

    =================================

    You are treading on very thin intellectual ice with that statement. The fact that you don’t agree with something does not necessarily make it disinformation. The fact that a cherished belief is challenged does not necessarily make it disinformation. The fact that expanded thinking and looking at things from different angles runs crosswise to the groupthink does not necessarily make it disinformation.

    One of these days, my posts will cause someone to have a heel-of-the-hand-to-the-forhead sort of “V8 Moment”. I will be fulfilled.

  154. JJ | September 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm |
    I care not to be a birther….for I don’t give a rat’s azz where the fraud left the womb…What I do care about is ‘WHO’S YO DADDY?
    Who planted that seed?? Is he a robot?? Is he a test tube product??
    I have the right to know.
    =======================================

    By his own admission and all the records about bo that have been released he had two fathers both of whom disqualified him for POTUS. Thus bo is not eligible to be POTUS even if he was born in Hawaii.

  155. Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 2:41 pm | I wonder where the order for Gen. Betrayus to comment on the actions of a Church in Florida originated from?

    According to a recent judge’s words, it CAN’T be from the fake CIC, so it must be from the Pentagon!!!

  156. No Paxson, it didn’t go over my head…

    You and fuco think you are the only people in this blog that can read, write, or understand the English language.

    You didn’t say anything about “wishy washy” voters. You clearly stated “independents”. Had you said, wishy washy voters, I would have agreed with you, but you said “independents”. You never mentioned a wishy washy anything. And I’m not a mind reader.

    I am an “independent” voter, so I took it you were talking about me. I though you were VERY clear in your meaning…then again who really gives a damn, certainly not me.

    But I am one “independent” voter who objects to being called a moron.

  157. Joy, lack of dissension leads to “group think”. This isn’t a flock of seagulls here. CC Fubo, as far as being on “intellectual thin ice” regarding the disinformation agent remark (which I did not say that you were), I’ll take that. You just seem to be in contradiction as to the importance of what information that is known. Like the fraudulent COLB that was given to the sheeple. If you are o.k. with that, then carry on. But it p.sses somebody like me off and I don’t care to hear the rationalizations that you’ve given us.

    It’s o.k. to disagree with somebody and still be on the same side.

  158. How much more useful those korants would be in the hands of internet posters posting one ko-rantic verse at a time and arguing for reason and tolerance?
    LILLIBET–I GET A SPIRITUAL EMAIL EVERY MORNING—HOW BRILLIANT…GET IT GOING AND I VOW TO SEND TO ALL CONTACTS ASKING FOR FORWARDING—LET US KNOW WHERE YOU POST IT–WE DO THE REST.
    BRILLIANT!!

  159. RMinNC | September 6, 2010 at 7:20 pm |

    I was a registered independent until two years ago. Don’t get your panties in a bunch, I wasn’t talking about you. I’ll let your other insults go by the wayside. If you are thinking that I am not open minded to other people’s ideas and perspectives, then you are barking up the wrong tree.

  160. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    OK, everybody, here is the thought experiment I mentioned. I will illustrate by example where I am heading with my reasoning. Suppose you had the opportunity to actually meet with your Senator, or Glenn Beck, or a notable MSM maven? Which do you think would be more effective. More to the point, how far into your Scenario 1 speech will you get before they hang up on you?

    Scenario 1

    I’m a proud Birther. I know, we know, and I bet YOU know, that Obama does not pass the NBC test. We are madder than hell, we are not going to take it any more. We want action. We want action now. We INSIST that the constitution be followed. It is not optional, it is not just a suggestion, it is the Great Law of the Land. Or the sleeping giant – more people than you can imagine – will vote you out, boycott you, or whatever it takes.

    Or even a less confrontive approach to the same ideas.

    Scenario 2

    I need to talk to you about Obama’s lack of documents.
    (immediate retort: I’m not going THERE. We don’t allow “birthers” here.)
    Wait, wait! I’m NOT a “birther”. I don’t want to talk about that. That whole topic is a great mixture of well-meaning patriots and lunatics. Impossible to sort out. I want to talk about something REAL, PRACTICAL, and IMPORTANT.

    Do you know about this? Do you and your colleagues discuss it? Do you find it acceptable that nothing is known about this person?

    (“That should have been sorted out during campaign.”)

    Yeah, but it wasn’t. Yes, he sits in that office now. And I am not necessarily suggesting that the documents be hunted as a lever to out him. But we need to understand better. Never has a president been this opaque. We need this information to sort out what he is saying. He flip flops all over the place – a charitable version of “he lies through his teeth” – and we need all the help we can get to interpret what he says.

    Not only that – but there COULD be damning things in there. What is more important? Not embarrassing the president, or ensuring that he is not under undue influence? Do not We The People have a right to know this stuff.

    Can you assist with strategizing a politically palatable way to request this information? There may not be a legal solution, but awareness and strategic questioning in the court of public opinion should really fix this. Let’s question BOLDLY: Where are the documents? What do they say? Let’s make major commentary about the risk to the country if this stuff remains hidden.

    He has spent an awful lot of time and money actively suppressing this information. Doesn’t that make alarm bells go off everywhere? Doesn’t that make him open to blackmail? If there is really something “embarassing” in there, don’t you think every intelligence agency from every hostile country already knows? Don’t you see this as a grave national security risk?

    So maybe he’s got HIV. Maybe a grand theft auto? Maybe too much pot or crack. Those aren’t the real issues – except as they provide fodder for blackmail. We want to know about his formative years. We want to know about his college courses. These things are essential to helping us react to his agenda and various legislation.

    etc. etc. etc.

  161. Don’t worry about it Paxson…

    I only know about you what you write, and what I read here. Perhaps if you were a little clearer in you writing of what you mean, and meaning what you write…

    Then you wouldn’t receive a volley over your head from this old soldier.

  162. Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 3:36 pm |
    I was beginning to stand alone with my logic.
    I am not a stripper..it’s your business if you are.
    I don’t frequent adult book stores…it’s your business if you do.
    I don’t burn the flag…it’s your business if you do.
    There is a fine line here…we must be careful. In taking away certain freedoms, we may be infringing on our own. I agree with your assessment.

  163. Joy | September 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm |

    “… but why try to destroy another fellow poster?”
    ************************
    Because the other poster is more intelligent ??

  164. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 7:26 pm |
    Joy, lack of dissension leads to “group think”. This isn’t a flock of seagulls here. CC Fubo, as far as being on “intellectual thin ice” regarding the disinformation agent remark (which I did not say that you were), I’ll take that. You just seem to be in contradiction as to the importance of what information that is known. Like the fraudulent COLB that was given to the sheeple. If you are o.k. with that, then carry on. But it p.sses somebody like me off and I don’t care to hear the rationalizations that you’ve given us.

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/01/26/outing-obamas-internet-brownshirts/

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

    ==================================================
    “group think” is exactly what the obots are engaged in. They all get the same disinformation propaganda talking points from the bo’s czar of disinformation, sunstein.

  165. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 7:26 pm |

    You just seem to be in contradiction as to the importance of what information that is known. Like the fraudulent COLB that was given to the sheeple.

    =================================

    I accept that criticism. Many of you attach too much importance to many things. Like this fraudulent COLB. I was one of the first to question it and have been active in demolishing it. But so what. What does it prove? Exactly nothing. That is in regards any facts about Zero.

    All we know is that we have not seen the real BC and we have no idea what it says.

    It’s also very hard to pin it on Zero. He has been very careful in what he himself says about it. Gibbs has said a lot. But all that does is set him up to be the goat. If anybody is able to make this argument bear fruit, Zero will just blame Gibbs and throw him under the bus.

    Some of us tend to get hyper ventilated over this or that “smoking gun”. But all we have is a lot of circumstantial evidence and a LOT OF UNKNOWNS.

    The best place to get sunlight on unknowns is in the media. We’ve got to find a way to get, say, the Becks or Limbaughs to dig into this. We already know they won’t touch the “birther” business. So let’s figure out a way to lean on them about the non-birther aspects.

  166. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 6:01 pm |
    We have never seen his medical records, maybe he has already been certified as insane, and he thinks that will be his out.
    http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2010/09/video-obama-goes-off-teleprompter-and.html
    I can’t wait to see Robert Gibbs walk this one back tomorrow. Surely, some able reporter will ask him to explain in more detail exactly who President Obama was referring to and what comment met the bar for “talk about me like a dog.”
    Interestingly, President Obama abandoned his dry professorial manner and tried to show a little fire in this speech. He must have reviewed some old tapes of Reverend Wright speaking for inspiration.
    __________________________________________________

    Michelle, thanks for this post. It seems that Obama is trying to set up a season of racial politics. He hasn’t had an 1/8th of the hard time that George Bush took over his 8 years, beginning with Al Gore accusing him of betraying America. Whether you thought Bush was good for our country or not, you didn’t see him out moaning about it on a daily basis. Obama still has the press on his side. Bush took potshot after potshot, daily. It’s a sign that the armor is cracking and we are about to witness a meltdown of epic proportions.

    With respect to his medical records, Schumer and Reid both talked about “full disclosure” during Presidential campaigns. We obviously didn’t receive that from Obama. How do we know if he has suffered from some type of mental deficiency in the past? We don’t .

  167. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm |
    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 7:26 pm |

    You just seem to be in contradiction as to the importance of what information that is known. Like the fraudulent COLB that was given to the sheeple.

    =================================

    I accept that criticism. Many of you attach too much importance to many things. Like this fraudulent COLB. I was one of the first to question it and have been active in demolishing it. But so what. What does it prove? Exactly nothing. That is in regards any facts about Zero.

    All we know is that we have not seen the real BC and we have no idea what it says.

    It’s also very hard to pin it on Zero. He has been very careful in what he himself says about it. Gibbs has said a lot. But all that does is set him up to be the goat. If anybody is able to make this argument bear fruit, Zero will just blame Gibbs and throw him under the bus.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    It proves that we have a President who has forged a government document. That alone, whatever the rest holds with respect to information, is good enough for me to impeach him and throw him in the slammer (whatever the party or politician).

  168. Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse, for reasons I can only speculate. I chose to ignore all CC posts as disingenuous.

    ======================================

    Good Advice!

  169. Citizen Carlyle 7:33 PM
    You say, (From you Scenario 2)
    “……Not only that – but there COULD be damning things in there. What is more important? Not embarrassing the president, or ensuring that he is not under undue influence? Do not We The People have a right to know this stuff.”
    ******************************
    I don’t know, CC – truly don’t know. Anyone who has been against “birthers” is going to see this 2nd Scenario as a thinly veiled attempt to get at the same information as birthers are seeking. It sounds acceptable from a theoretical viewpoint, but I wouldn’t give anyone much chance getting very far with that approach from a realistic viewpoint.

    This stuff has been out there for about two years or more, so PTB’s have been thoroughly insulated against any roundabout way to seek information. Also, I’m not so sure that we would be able to convince any of them that there is a national security threat. These are not ignoramuses no matter how much we deplore their thought and behavior. If they haven’t already considered the national security aspect, imo there is not much hope that any of us can convince them by using a tactful approach.

    Having said that, I DO think that we individually should TRY this approach with our Congressmen – hard and heavy. It can’t hurt, and it just may help.

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  171. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm |

    It proves that we have a President who has forged a government document. That alone, whatever the holds with respect to information, is good enough for me to impeach him and throw him in the slammer (whatever the party or politician).
    =================================================
    Of course, you are correct and fubo is wrong as usual.

  172. From oil for immigration site, Obama sides with foreign country Mexico, against the people of Arizona.

    STATEMENT OF ROBERT N. DRISCOLL,
    COUNSEL TO SHERIFF JOSEPH ARPAIO AND THE MARICOPA
    COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE

    “Today’s lawsuit by the Department of lustice is part of a deliberate media strategy to “get tough” on Sheriff Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office and undermine immigration enforcement by a local Sheriff who is trying desperately to make up for this Administration’s own indifference to the topic.

    The DOl suit speaks loudly by what it does not say. It does not allege that Sheriff Arpaio or the MCSO have discriminated against anyone because the DOl, after 18 months of soliciting allegations against Sheriff Arpaio, has come up empty. Even the purported basis for the suit, which alleges a lack of “cooperation,” is a sham.

  173. Who is good at puzzles? Here are the pieces:
    1. Section 3 of the 20th Ammendment: Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

    2. There was NEVER ANY 20TH AMENDMENT QUALIFICATION OF PRES. ELECT OBAMA THUS HE IS NOT EVEN PRESIDENT .
    3. Cheney does not call for objections.
    4. Roberts flubbed the oath.
    5. Official swearing in is behind closed doors.
    6. Judge Lind has just told us the chain of command comes from the Pentagon and not the CIC.

    Millitary Dictatorship mean anything to you? Just thinkin’ out loud.

  174. Citizen Carlyle 7:33 PM
    (This is an additional comment to my post 7:57 PM)
    CC, you mentioned Beck and Limbaugh types as possible media people on which to use Scenario 2. I’m certain that these types have been hounded by birthers and others re. the secrecy that surrounds BHO.

    By this time they already know the implications and still choose NOT to address them. IMO, it is too late for that at this juncture. So….I don’t want to appear the killjoy or wet blanket here, but…….(I am at a loss for words)

    Personally, I think we are going to have to see how the rest of the story BEGINS to play out. We must stay vigilant, do what is humanly possible for us to do, and always, pray. We must NEVER lose sight of the seriousness of the peril we face and grow weary and lackadaisical. NEVER!

  175. Free Speech, Could a law suit be brought, about whether or not Obama’s “presidency” will set a new precedent for eligibility of POTUS candidates, and is the new precedent Constitutional?

  176. CC @ 7:11: The operative buzz word is henceforth “national security.” Every aspect of our discussions relates back to our unspoken concerns for the security of our nation. He promised transparency and has shortchanged us by creating his own lockbox of document. Why is this necessary or even acceptable from someone who occupies the most important and sensitive leadership position in our government. Don’t the people who voted him into office wonder why everything about him is too important a secret to share with even his supporters?
    JJ@ 7:28:
    I wonder if Citizen Wells would establish a thread on 9/11 for us to post/discuss various verses? Either that or have ko-rat, post a verse somewhere on a thread and ask a question of why a religion would claim moral authority by doing a, b, or c to unbelievers, infidels, certain genders, etc. Suggest this idea to family members, but caution them to post anonymously. Sit on your internet front porch on 9/11 and shine a light on Mislam. Or cite news stories about the religious hate, oppression and violence perpetrated in the name of this religion. You don’t need a leader to lead this cause. It’s more important than anyone individual. We are all brilliant in our own way!
    Watching those firefighters and police storm the towers on 9/11 to save any and all lives despite formidable obstacles, when death and destruction was inflicted upon innocent people in the name of Mislam, convinces us all that we must preserve their sacrifice into something meaninful. Let’s hold up what these people stood for in their lives: freedom, service, charity, equality, tolerance, honor, dignity, hope, love, brotherhood with all men regardless of race.

  177. bob strauss | September 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm |
    Free Speech, Could a law suit be brought, about whether or not Obama’s “presidency” will set a new precedent for eligibility of POTUS candidates, and is the new precedent Constitutional?
    ===========================================

    http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320

    This article explains the grounds for lawsuits. However, the Grand Jury process provides the quickest way to legally remove bo.

  178. FS @ 5:42
    “Whoever is speaking here, I look forward to your explanation when Sharia law is established here by all the Islamic Muslims being sneaked into our govt at all levels!!”
    *************************
    Could you help me find the Muslim names here?

    . . . “We now have more czars than imperial Russia. Let’s consider Obama’s czars: Economic Czars – Larry Summers & Paul Volker, Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein, Pay Czar – Kenneth Feinberg, Military Jails Czar – Daniel Fried, Car Czars – Steven Rattner and Ron Bloom, Border Czar – Alan Bersin, Health Rationing Czar – Dr. Donald Berwick, Food Czar – Sam Kass, Climate Czar – Todd Stern, Global Warming Czar – Carol Browner, Afghanistan Czar – Richard Holbrooke, Central Region Czar – Dennis Ross, Aids Czar – Jeffrey Crowley, Domestic Violence Czar – Lynn Rosenthal, Anti-semitism Czar – Hannah Rosenthal, Government Performance Czar – Jeffrey Zients, Drug Czar – Gil Kerlikowske, Science Czar – John Holdren, all are Zionists.

  179. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 6:28 pm |
    I am unworthy of this crew of posters….saying that, did anyone even watch the video learning that the first Bible printed in English in America in 1782 was done by …..CONgress??
    That the records show it is written that ‘it is a neat edition of the holy scripture to be used by children IN OUR SCHOOLS’!!!
    Here may be the statement of the year…clearly showing where this nation went wrong!

  180. Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm |

    Do you dispute that bo is a muslim and that his fellow muslim want him to establish Shariah law in America.

  181. OUR SOLDIERS HAVE BOUNTIES ON THEIR HEADS…. $1,000 PER AMERICAN SOLDIER. $6,000 PER AMERICAN VEHICLE… PAY ATTENTION AMERICA. These are our sons, daughters, husbands, brothers, fathers….
    http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2734278%3ATopic%3A191260&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

  182. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 7:53 pm |

    It proves that we have a President who has forged a government document.

    ===================================

    You see, that is another bit of common wisdom and groupthink that is not defensable. We cannot prove that he has ever seen it or knows anything about it. “I just leave that kind of details to my staff – why would I ever look at it myself”. It’s called plausible deniability. Politicians are masters of it.

    I am trying to get you guys to think deeper and more critically. Otherwise you are going to get walked all over like Couric over Palin. (NB – Palin was righteous and Couric was evil – but she still was pummeled badly.) If you ever make it to court or a jury, cross examination will destroy you unless you have separated the fact from the fiction, and the hype from the substance.

  183. Free Speech,
    Our Founding Fathers wrote the words NBC to protect us from dual allegiance, no? 35. That is how many Israeli dual citizenship members are in the 111th congress. Don’t forget Rahm, Lieberman, and many, many more. Yes, I think o is a Muslim. His every action and word is nothing short of flipping off Americans and Christians. Ever hunt using decoys?

  184. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 6:28 pm |
    I am unworthy of this crew of posters….saying that, did anyone even watch the video learning that the first Bible printed in English in America in 1782 was done by …..CONgress??
    That the records show it is written that ‘it is a neat edition of the holy scripture to be used by children IN OUR SCHOOLS’!!!
    Here may be the statement of the year…clearly showing where this nation went wrong!

    !!!!!
    Lillibet, I was praying for a quotation of a verse from the Koran…followed by your explanation and the debate of our christian teachings compared with the koran teachings concerning that scripture (if they call it that).
    Too bold???
    We copy/paste/send to all our contacts..and it goes world-wide in two weeks…every day this is done.

  185. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 6, 2010 at 7:57 pm |

    =====================================

    You of course are at least partially right. Somebody more clever than me can improve Scenario 2 or create yet a Scenario 3.

    But the critical crux of the point is that Scenario 1 will get you nowhere. 90% of the pushback I have been getting, since the Lakin hearing, and I called for a retreat and regroup, is from people who are 100% married to Scenario 1 or variations thereof – and amazingly hostile to any other approach.

    It’s like “we” have achieved the dunderheaded groupthink that we ridicule in the left. Some of the people here strike me as potentially intelligent – I am begging for some assistance in some actual THINKING. If we all put our minds to it we can do it. I’m tired of the the old tired cliches and the knee jerk response to everything.

  186. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 6, 2010 at 7:54 pm |

    Bill G | September 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm |
    Note to all those blogging here. CC is disrupting this discourse,

    =================================

    Hell yes! I sure hope so. I am trying to get a stuck ox out of a ditch!

  187. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 8:12 pm |

    =============================

    WOW! That’s HEAVY. I am of the immediate opinion that you are reading too much into this. But that is just a snap reaction. At least you are THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. You go girl! (at least I think I remember you being of that persuasion!)

  188. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Cabby – AZ | September 6, 2010 at 8:14 pm |

    ==================================

    Good response.

    I have lost all hope and confidence in USSC for reasons I have clearly explained. But have not yet lost faith in Beck, Limbaugh, or Hannity, and a few others.

    Perhaps residual dunderheadedness on MY part – but I’m not quite ready to give up yet. Again, my key point is that Scenario 1 WILL NOT WORK with them. They have signaled that loud and clear. Time to try something different or just give up with them. I vote for trying something different.

  189. ARMY D.A.V. @ 7:0
    So Gwen “They ain’t seen his birth certificate.” let’s see the copy he gave you allowing you to speak with such authority.

  190. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 9:11 pm |

    I will give you that it has not been proven in a court of law. However, the analysis that I have seen from Polarik is fairly compelling.

  191. As John F. Kennedy once said, “The greatest enemy of the truth is not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, pervasive, and unrealistic.”

    Find me those Muslim names in our governent, media, and banks. Burkas, really?

    Find me the holes in the Pentagon walls made by the wings of that passenger plane.

    Look for the smoking gun, as we are staring down the barrel of it.

  192. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Lillibet | September 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm |

    CC @ 7:11: The operative buzz word is henceforth “national security.” Every aspect of our discussions relates back to our unspoken concerns for the security of our nation. He promised transparency and has shortchanged us by creating his own lockbox of document. Why is this necessary or even acceptable from someone who occupies the most important and sensitive leadership position in our government. Don’t the people who voted him into office wonder why everything about him is too important a secret to share with even his supporters?

    ================================

    Thank you for helping. I believe the almost automatic retort from the PTBs is that the people voted for him “as is”. Since the voting is already over, there is no reason to learn any more.

    The problem with that is that the sheeple were mislead by the MSM. They saw the MSM go after every little detail regarding Palin. They have seen numerous “hit jobs” by the MSM in the past. The sheeple have come to believe that the MSM is plenty zealous in “digging”. The fact that the MSM did not report anything damaging about Zero is evidence that they looked real hard and did not find anything.

    We know this is wrong. But I will bet you anything that upwards of 90% of all regular people, and even the congress people and judges, believe this version of the story. I have said before that the most powerful idea that is working against us is “if there were anything bad wrong, they would have told us”.

    PS – and this is very critical – even the people who hate Zero and think he is a Muslim and UnAmerican, are still wary of the birth/documents/eligibility aspect. Another bit of groupthink we indulge ourselves in is that everybody who shows up under “negative” on the Rasmussen poll is a birther. That is just not true. We don’t know the numbers, but I believe actual “birthers” are quite a small number. Most importantly, an inconsequential number. I would love to be wrong.

  193. Free Speech | September 6, 2010 at 8:51 pm |
    Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm |

    Do you dispute that bo is a muslim and that his fellow muslim want him to establish Shariah law in America.
    ____________________________________

    FS – his mother was an agnostic and he was raised in the Unitarian Church atmosphere in Hawaii when he returned to the states. His father’s certainly had influence over his religious upbringing BUT that doesn’t make him a Muslim. It simply means he was highly influenced by his father’s and their belief systems. I’d also add that by law he had to attend Islamic prayers while living in Indonesia.

    I believe Obama respects his father’s muslim heritage but he’s more agnostic than anything.

    Now, am I implying he doesn’t want Sharia Law here in the US, NO. I’m simply stating facts gleaned from Wayne Madsen and Webster Tarpley’s as well as other investigative reporters.

    My position is he is agnostic but empathizes with the Muslim world
    due to it’s influence on him as a child.

  194. Paxson @ 7:50 pm |
    How do we know if he has suffered from some type of mental deficiency in the past? I think he is mentally deficient in the present. Other blogs have been talking about the scar on his head. I think someone cracked a bottle of booze on his head. What amazes me is the DNC getting a candidate from the cesspool of corruption Chicago’s South Side. Pelosi that evil, but insane woman-very very bad. I’m sure the guys in Cook County jail know all.

  195. JJ | September 6, 2010 at 7:37 pm |
    Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 3:36 pm |
    I was beginning to stand alone with my logic.
    I am not a stripper..it’s your business if you are.
    I don’t frequent adult book stores…it’s your business if you do.
    I don’t burn the flag…it’s your business if you do.
    There is a fine line here…we must be careful. In taking away certain freedoms, we may be infringing on our own. I agree with your assessment.

    ———————————————————————————————-
    I don’t approve of your analogy,
    insult acknowledged.

    Looks like stealth obots have taken over here where the RAP nuts left off.

    Farewell all.

  196. CC,
    Explain the silence. Explain why Constitutionalists are now on the Homeland Security Terrorist list. Millitary dictatorship. So sure we have a sitting President- I didn’t see him get sworn in, no one did. Let that sink in.

  197. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 6, 2010 at 8:49 pm |

    =============================

    Oh, dear, YES! That is a whole other can of worms isn’t it. We have gone so astray. I am not overly “religious” and do not belong to any specific church. I would like to say I am Christian, but I don’t want to offend better Christians (i.e. more thorough Christians) by claiming to be one of them. (I wish Zero had that much common courtesy!)

    But even I know deeply – VERY DEEPLY – that the Judeo/Christian ethic is the best one ever “invented”. You don’t need God or a Bible to tell you that. Just look around at the various ethical systems, now and in the past. There is not a close second.

    Further, I think John Adams has a famous quote on this – but the Constitution is not a stand-alone document. It sits on a foundation. Without that foundation it makes no sense. Without the assumption of that foundation applying to all Americans, the Constitution would have had to be much longer to be complete.

    I could go on and on – even a quasi-atheist, tired old skeptic, like myself, “gets it”. How much more painful to the deeply religious and spiritually sensitive folks to see this and live through it. I weep.

  198. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm |

    =================================

    I don’t know if what you say is true or not – I don’t have time to look it up and verify each individually, and frankly I don’t care if they are or not. It is as “important” to me as whether they are a Baptist or not.

    But, further, I see a lot of people here who have done or said some very anti-Israel things. So, I’m not quite sure what your point is.

  199. Hey folks, sorry for being so grouchy today. This garbage, the whole political landscape, is getting on my nerves.

  200. CC,
    35 with dual citizenship, not religion. Loyalty to a second country, and they are voting on my healthcare. That is my point.

  201. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 9:43 pm |

    =================================

    I told you it was HEAVY! I’m thinking about it.
    Your thoughts were very creative and out of the box.
    One has to think about stuff like that.

    Your answer alarms me (doesn’t mean its not true).
    But certainly your reasoning has merit and the
    facts you use – YES! Someone’s got some ‘splainin to do.

  202. Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm |
    FS @ 5:42
    “Whoever is speaking here, I look forward to your explanation when Sharia law is established here by all the Islamic Muslims being sneaked into our govt at all levels!!”
    Could you help me find the Muslim names here?
    *******************************
    Prairie, the Muslims don’t HAVE to be sneaked into our government; as long as they are sanctioned by BHO, other Dems, and opportunists like Mayor Bloomberg. From this post of yours and one that followed I know your thrust, and imo it doesn’t hold water. Just because Zionists (Jews) are in high places doesn’t mean they are ALL bad people. This Zionist/Jew controversy is wandering down another conspiracy path, one that is empty and bogus. Pursue it if you wish, but don’t expect everyone to follow, including me.

  203. Obama torture more wining for 2 months (Obama is so dreary and boring), like the Dems are innocent in the Bush years. It’s what you get for voting present Obama.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index
    Political Fables (Thomas Sowell)
    Monday, September 06, 2010 9:42:50 PM · by jazusamo · 9 replies
    Human Events ^ | September 7, 2010 | Thomas Sowell
    President Barack Obama boldly proclaims, “The buck stops here!” But, whenever his policies are criticized, he acts as if the buck stopped with George W. Bush. The party line that we are likely to be hearing from now until the November elections is that Obama “inherited” the big federal budget deficits and that he has to “clean up the mess” left in the economy by the Republicans. This may convince those who want to be convinced, but it will not stand up under scrutiny. No President of the United States can create either a budget deficit or a budget surplus….

  204. CC wrote: ‘I would love to be wrong.’

    Good news! You are! Four million readers of Globe believe he is a usurper. Nearly 60% of Americans are unsure he was born in America. Courageous military leaders are voicing their concern. The issue is snow balling and there is no way to turn back. CC, do us all a favor save your rationalizations for others who want to hear them. We don’t. No one at this site believes you support its theme or vision. Do us all a favor and move on. Please.

  205. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 9:31 pm |

    ==================================

    OOPS – another misrepresentation.

    I was very careful to say that I KNOW it is a fraud. And I further believe that if a court were forced to look at it, they would come to the same conclusion.

    All I said was that I don’t see how to pin it on Obama. “They” have been very careful to distance Obama from it and put Gibbs next to it. I smell a scapegoat.

  206. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 9:55 pm |
    Obama torture more wining for 2 months (Obama is so dreary and boring), like the Dems are innocent in the Bush years. It’s what you get for voting present Obama.
    ____________________________________________________

    I hear you Michelle, it is torture watching Obama wander around with this “woe is me attitude”. You can see it in his mannerisms and body language. “Poor, poor, me…..”

  207. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 6, 2010 at 9:56 pm |
    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 9:31 pm |

    ==================================

    OOPS – another misrepresentation.

    I was very careful to say that I KNOW it is a fraud. And I further believe that if a court were forced to look at it, they would come to the same conclusion.

    All I said was that I don’t see how to pin it on Obama. “They” have been very careful to distance Obama from it and put Gibbs next to it. I smell a scapegoat.
    _________________________________________________
    I was actually acknowledging that you were technically correct. We don’t KNOW that it is a forgery. However, the evidence suggests that it is likely a forgery. I was agreeing with you.

  208. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 6, 2010 at 9:53 pm |

    ==================================

    Really? All those people have formal dual citizenship?
    All Israeli? How do you know? That is astounding.

  209. Bill G | September 6, 2010 at 9:55 pm |
    CC wrote: ‘I would love to be wrong.’

    Good news! You are! Four million readers of Globe believe he is a usurper. Nearly 60% of Americans are unsure he was born in America. Courageous military leaders are voicing their concern. The issue is snow balling and there is no way to turn back. CC, do us all a favor save your rationalizations for others who want to hear them. We don’t. No one at this site believes you support its theme or vision. Do us all a favor and move on. Please.
    ================================================
    AMEN!

  210. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 9:52 pm |

    ===============================

    Don’t sweat it. We ALL have more than enough reason to be
    VERY grouchy. I never take it personally if or when other
    people are grouchy, and hope they return the favor.

  211. Prairie 9:15 PM
    “Our Founding Fathers wrote the words NBC to protect us from dual allegiance, no? 35. That is how many Israeli dual citizenship members are in the 111th congress.”
    ********************************
    Members of Congress are not constitutionally bound by the NBC qualification, Prairie. Why are you harping on Israeli dual citizenships? Maybe there are others of so-called dual citizenship besides Israeli. Don’t they count? Anyway, don’t answer, because I already know your response.

  212. Prairie – I should have also included so-called “dual citizenship”. As far as I know there are no constitutional restrictions on that. If you can cite chapter and verse, let me know.

  213. Nope Cabby, there is not a restriction on the house, senate, or now oval office. If you are comfortable with that, sweet dreams.

  214. Cabby, 35 is just Israeli… and just the house.

  215. Sorry—Off Topic….
    Anyone know who Matt Smith is?
    Subj: URGENT NEWS: What BP doesn’t want us to post! SPREAD AROUND! Gulf Stream to Bloodstream from Project Gulf Impact
    Hey
    I just wanted to thank you for everything you have been doing on reporting
    for the oil spill. Since the Project Gulf Impact team arrived back down
    here two weeks ago, we are noticing that things are getting more and more
    awful, rather than better, despite the mainstream media spin. There is oil
    and dispersant everywhere, people are ill, and most are extremely angry at
    BP and the government. We also have some news that I need your help
    spreading like wildfire, because this article and video contains information that BP and the government has been trying to block us from putting out there for two weeks. WE FINALLY HAVE VERIFIED PROOF THAT THERE ARE TOXIC POISONS IN THE HUMAN BLOODSTREAM FROM THE OIL AND THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE. We would be SO grateful if you would help make sure this information goes absolutely insanely viral. IT IS TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO. We as a nation are on the brink of a near apocalyptic health scenario the likes of which is going to get people who are already riled up beyond furious… we need this story to be on everyones lips, no matter how it gets out there! You are doing such a great job of spreading the truth, and we thank you for this. It is hard when we are running a marothon and not a sprint, but we MUST keep going – millions upon millions of people are depending on us. Something gives me a feeling this will be the news piece that brings the attention back where it should be: the Gulf.
    Thanks,
    Matt Smith
    Project Gulf Impact
    609-374-5485

  216. CC,
    I need to dig again for the list. I promise to post a reliable link in the morning.

  217. Bill Cutting | September 6, 2010 at 9:42 pm |
    I hope you realize I generalized ‘you’ and didn’t mean YOU.
    I hope I’m not conceived as an ‘Obot’.
    God bless our nation. II Chronicles 7:14

  218. JJ | September 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    Other than the Tampa swimming pool case, is he providing documented proof of the toxins in human bloodstreams? I am just having visions of a holocaust of sorts. Genocide. This is serious business.

  219. Listen to Terry Lakin and Paul Jensen on the Barry Farber Show, Sept 3, for a full follow-up to the hearing.
    http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/

  220. http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/09/06/mulitple-blood-tests-confirm-pahs-and-hydrocarbons-from-bp-gulf-oil-spill-making-many-sick-4627/

    Multiple Blood Tests Confirm PAHs and Hydrocarbons In The Air From BP Gulf Oil Spill Are Making Many Sick

  221. That is insanity. I can’t believe that Drudge isn’t picking this up.

  222. bo has had the US Air Force spraying corexit on the Gulf poisoning residents. If a hurricane hits the corexit will be spread inland.

  223. I hope I’m not conceived as an ‘Obot’.
    ‘perceived’…can’t listen to andrea shea king show and type!

  224. Alex Jones calls for Indictment of BHO/BP

  225. JJ – her show wasn’t worth a dime. These two men are hyping the same crappola others are. Puhleeze, JB, how stupid do you think we are…telling those of us who have spent the last three years in this three ring circus the definition of NBC. What chutzpah! He talks down to people as though – ooooohhhhhhhh – he has the difinitive answers. Give me a break. We the informed, and I’d say CW’s posters, Greg’s poster, jbjd’s posters, the T-Room’s posters are more than informed!!! Hell, we are so informed we argue about who’s more informed than the other.

    My vote for most informed tonight, however, is Prairie. Given her meticulous mind and all she states, w/o question the gal is on the mark!

    She and she alone has mulled over all of these Lakin pieces and is challenging all of us to realize we are already under a military dictatorship. Look for headlines in the coming weeks to validate, affirm, confirm her astute observations.

    Applause, Prairie, applause!!!!

  226. rup meant “definitive” not “divinitive”….my bad.

  227. Helen,
    I pray I am wrong.

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    Who is usapatriots-shout.com? I just clicked on your link and it cam up with the above text…not a normal website let alone a blog. So, who are you?

    That said, you made an extremely foolish move this evening and please know The T-Room will no longer be taking you seriously nor will we drive traffic to your radio show until you tell us who you are and prove you are legitimate. Understand, I’m not attempting to be negative or aggressive here, I’m simply wanting to know who you are and why you have such a vanilla, corporate, no meaningful information site when I click on your username. How does one actually get in touch with you? hhhhhmmmm

  229. you are correct, Prairie. wish you wrong though, but you’re not. such an astute observer of words you are. congratulations, you and you alone have cracked the nut wide open…we are under a military dictatorship; otherwise, our courts, the UMJC and others would not be ruling in the manner in which they are. tag you’re it…

  230. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    =============================

    This is very serious business and very evil business. I have no doubt it is at least partly true. As you know, I have focused more on the doings at the wellhead because that is closer to my background.

    Maybe SueK will drop by and talk to us. If I remember correctly, she has some serious expertise in this area.

    I have been warning for weeks (alas, months) that the bigger problem is with the “oil already spilled and the associated chemicals”. I have also stated many times that we cannot let Zero off the hook and declare “mission accomplished” just because the well seems to be reasonably contained and near final containment.

    I have also predicted that there would not only be coastal problems, but for some distance inland. I just don’t know how far. I know storms can stir this stuff up and deposit 100-200 miles inland. There have been rumors that storms can deposit significant quantities of gunk and gack much further inland. I don’t know about that.

    But having said all that, we need to be careful. If we learned anything at all from the wellhead repair, there are a dozen lunatics for every expert. A lot of the visible “talking heads” are either off on some agenda of their own or truly uninformed, and just making stuff up as they go along.

    I will do some digging and find out who is who and what can be trusted. What I know so far is that both Alex Jones and Alexander Higgens are well known mouth foamers. They are right some of the time – but mainly by luck. The point is – they are not reliable purveyors of good information.

    On the other hand, I know just a little about this Matt Smith guy, and it is not bad. I will do some further checking. I may be wrong.

    Finally, that chubby cajun Billy Nungasser – he’s my guy! Keep your ears open for anything he says. He’s the real deal.

    PS – they should start up the drilling and digging to finish the last little bit of the relief well in the next day or two. Pray they don’t eff it up.

  231. Let us hope the White House’s new rug is prescient, although attribution is incorrect. Obama convicted by his own rug.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090305100.html
    “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

    The words belong to a long-gone Bostonian champion of social progress. His roots in the republic ran so deep that his grandfather commanded the Minutemen at the Battle of Lexington.

  232. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 6, 2010 at 11:34 pm |

    ==============================

    Let me assist, as she may be away or asleep.
    The link behind her name is broken. Go here:

    http://usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com/

  233. AZ-legal citizen

    Too many cases being dismissed.
    After Blagho getting off. I wonder about the Justice Dept.
    Holder did get the pardon for Bill Ayers friends during Clinton…
    Exactly, how deep is this coruption in the Justice?
    1999 (On August 11) President Bill Clinton offered clemency to 16 members of the FALN. Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder was credited with with an “unconscionable” effort to circumvent the standard pardon process, not consulting with the Department of Justice’s pardon attorney and keeping deliberations hidden from the district U.S. attorney and investigative agencies. Weather Underground terrorists Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg were also pardoned./ Friends of Bill Ayers…. for any of you Hillary Lovers.. She has been in step with Obama..

  234. Shock plan: Palestinians scheduled to govern Jews
    Netanyahu secretly proposed new plot in talks with Obama
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=200129

  235. Michelle | September 6, 2010 at 5:40 pm |
    Now I’m convinced he’s lost his mind, provided he had on in the first place.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584174/posts
    Obama: “They talk about me like a dog”
    CNN via ResistNet ^ | 9/6/2010
    ————————————————
    The freerepublic link has been pulled. That’s three time in 24 hours FR has pulled unfavorable Obama news stories. The first two were about Lucas Smith and the Kenya BCs sent to Congress. What was so bad about this one I wonder.

  236. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Spectacular Post

    I wanted to end the day with this spectacular comment a wise man posted over at the website theoildrum. It so PERFECTLY describes what has been going on with the Oil Gusher business. But it also struck me as being quite close to events here on this blog for the last several days.

    Some of you will love this and others will hate it. I already know who and who.

    The limits of our knowledge literally set the boundaries of what we think we know and how we interpret our world.

    See also: Dunning-Kruger Effect.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

    After Macondo, it’s clear to me that the Dunning-Kruger Effect is not limited to any particular demographic.

    These cognitive phenomena were never better illustrated for me than during the efforts to stop the Macondo well. Even otherwise “intelligent” people fell prey to the dark voids at the limits of their knowledge, education and experience. While the doomers, CTs, doubters, paranoids, flat-Earthers and Copernicans probably didn’t develop much insight from this event, I certainly did, both in terms of subsea oilpatch operations and how humans respond to events beyond their ken.

    I just want to thank The Oil Drum posters and especially the great crew of watchers down on the #theoildrum IRC channel for keeping the rational train on the tracks while it hurtled through the information voids. This has been a once-in-a-lifetime (I hope) opportunity to watch this event unfold and refold.

    We can never know what we don’t know unless we keep our minds open.

  237. Jonah @ 12:07 am | I always wonder who is doing the pulling and why? I’ve learned to snatch fast.

  238. JJ | September 6, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    Jonah | September 6, 2010 at 10:22 am | ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY
    UNDER THE GATEWAY ARCH
    SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 12TH
    12 NOON – 4 PM
    Unless something drastic happens here, we’ll see you Sunday Jonah!!!
    JJ from Kentucky (smiley face inserted here)
    ======================================
    GREAT! Maybe we can meet up.
    I’ll be staying at a downtown hotel about 4 blocks from the Gateway Arch with my sister and nephew from AZ, and my niece.

  239. Atheists Defending Islam ?

  240. Michelle | September 7, 2010 at 12:14 am |
    Jonah @ 12:07 am | I always wonder who is doing the pulling and why? I’ve learned to snatch fast.
    ==============================================
    Free Republic isn’t as free as it used to be. My thread was pulled yesterday but I don’t see where I disregarded the rules. Would this be considered this censorship?

  241. Paxson | September 6, 2010 at 10:31 pm | JJ | September 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    Other than the Tampa swimming pool case, is he providing documented proof of the toxins in human bloodstreams? I am just having visions of a holocaust of sorts. Genocide. This is serious business.

    Hi, Paxson—have you seen the pics of the boxes in Georgia?
    http://justanothercoverup.com/?p=356

  242. CC, who and who?

    Also, who posted that? While the point is taken, how do you know it wasn’t some lackey at BP? I truly have a large dose of skepticism with just about everything these days. Trust but verify.

  243. Michelle,
    Here is another threa re: Obama saying “they talk about me like a dog”.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2584162/posts

    It has a link to CNN.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/06/obama-they-talk-about-me-like-a-dog/

    The CNN comments about Obama are mostly negative.
    The tide is turning.

    Wonder how long before this thread gets pulled too.

  244. Helen. I must admit–I learned nothing—but, hey, the fact that if the representatives, after gaining control of the House, don’t challenge the fraud in the Oval Office, we’re having a ‘revolution’ did surprise me.

  245. Helen,
    I see what you mean. Thank you for letting me know. I –as usual–made a typ0. It is now corrected. Try uspatriots-shout.blogspot.com. This should help.

  246. I just tried it. It still isn’t going to the site. Try cut and paste.

  247. jbjd’s “A COUP, THROUGH and THROUGH (3 of 3)” has been posted.

    http://jbjd.org/2010/09/06/a-coup-through-and-through-3-of-3/

  248. Jonah | September 7, 2010 at 12:14 am | JJ | September 6, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
    Jonah | September 6, 2010 at 10:22 am | ST. LOUIS TEA PARTY
    UNDER THE GATEWAY ARCH
    SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 12TH
    12 NOON – 4 PM
    Unless something drastic happens here, we’ll see you Sunday Jonah!!!
    JJ from Kentucky (smiley face inserted here)
    ======================================
    GREAT! Maybe we can meet up.
    I’ll be staying at a downtown hotel about 4 blocks from the Gateway Arch with my sister and nephew from AZ, and my niece.

    Jonah…my husband and I will probably be alone–leaving around 6 am…

    If CW gives my email, we can try to meet…are you carrying a sign??

  249. Helen,
    That said, you made an extremely foolish move this evening and please know The T-Room will no longer be taking you seriously nor will we drive traffic to your radio show until you tell us who you are and prove you are legitimate. Understand, I’m not attempting to be negative or aggressive here, I’m simply wanting to know who you are and why you have such a vanilla, corporate, no meaningful information site when I click on your username. How does one actually get in touch with you? hhhhhmmmm

    + + + + + + + +

    I have no idea what you are talking about claiming I made an “extremely foolish move this evening” or what the hell is the T room? Please clarify just what you consider is foolish–in your opinion. Now that you have the correct address to my site, I hope you will learn who I am. However, I must say I find you rather over bearing.

    Who the hell are you Helen? Hmmmmmmnnn

    Due to in the family issues, I gave up the blog talk radio a few months ago. So it is hardly a loss that you will not be driving people to my program!

  250. Citizen Carlyle…………………………………………..
    Then why is it that the two names that you identified as having some sort of magical powers are not taught at any of our Military Academies, OCS, ROTC,or NROTC, or the Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point. I believe this list covers all of our OFFICER training institutions. If it is not taught to our OFFICERS then it probably hasn’t much value. Therefore it will not be taught to our enlisted men. We do not teach RETREAT. We do however teach how to attack in another direction. You really need to understand Military life before you can intelligently discuss it. It sounds to me like you have a lot of theories but have never put them to use. Theories are all well and good in the CLASS ROOM, but when you begin to receive air mail from the enemy thinking out theories will get you killed. Not smart at all. Above all don’t try to criticise our military as being some sort of laggards. You are asking for us to return fire. We havn’t done that YET because we are simply considering the source. NO AMMO, JUST PROPAGANDA.

  251. US Patriots Shout……………………………………..
    I have NOT been able to determine if Lakin is being tried in a SPECIAL COURTS MARTIAL,or a GENERAL COURTS MARTIAL If it is a Special Courts.Martial,then he still has the option of asking for a GENERAL wherein he might have a better chance at full discovery.He could also ask for another venue. There is still time.

  252. There are those in our Federal Government, and even in the CW blog who think,that the TEA PARTY is simply nothing more than a large group of UNEDUCATED PEOPLE,who are trying to fill the shoes of everybody who is well educated. This is really a little FANTASY in their OWN little minds.(NOTICE;) I said LITTLE. I personally think that it takes a LITTLE mind to attempt to speak for other people who you DON’T EVEN KNOW, or even have the slightest idea what these people think. The few times that I have seen the TEA PARTY people on news clips ,etc,they have always been peaceful. The WH calls them HOULIGANS. In November we shall see who the Houligans are, and who the………LOSERS are. You can call people names all day long,but eventually people will take time to look and see what the TEA PARTY really is FOR THEMSELVES. Then they will realise that the NAME CALLERS are really the EXTREMELY FRIGHTENED LIBERAL LEFT who once again are trying to make all of us IDIOTS think that “up” is “down”,and right is left. They continuue to spew this sort of garbage because they are people having WEAK,and ONE TRACK MINDS.

  253. Since the conversation started here w/regards to usapatriots show tonight, indulge me and allow me to freely make my comment.

    Prairie has been a student, so to speak, of many things other than o’s bc. She is more than informed than most of us yet people wish to dismiss her acute observations.

    Tonight, I went to read “aloud” said observations on usapatriots radio show, but the two KNOW IT ALL men, JB Williams and Tim Harrington, dismissed Prairies observation out of hand and talked about green martians. Well, I find their belittling insulting, dismissive and way out of line. I know Tim and JB extraordinarily well and let me assure you they have blinders on. That said, you, usapatriot, cut me off and went to another caller before I could finish Prairie’s thoughts AND to get an answer. Remember, these two men are all about making money on the patriot movement so beware.

    I found your decision, usapatriot, to cut me off and not allow me to make my my point, well, amateurish. If you wish to call me overbearing fine. That is your choice. I wish to think of myself as a truther and when one take’s on such a role they must also be aware that some people find my choice of language rather forceful. This is on purpose. I do not choose to mince my words, and as your guest Tim H. said tonight, political correctness has no place in our society…of which I concur.

    I do not spend countless hours educating myself to earn the acceptance of others. I do it b/c I give a damn and want to get to the bottom of this more than miserable nightmare. That said, my approach is direct and holds no punches. When you read what I have to say you learn w/o question where I stand. I choose not to muddle my beliefs or words for patriots to figure out b/c I don’t want them to waste their valuable time attempting to figure me out. I happen to believe they have more important things to do with their time; thus, I don’t mince my words. W/o question, you know where I stand.

    You blew it tonight…how’s that for being direct. JB and Tim have insulted me more times than I can count BECAUSE THE TWO OF THEM believe, rather foolishly and naively, I might add, that the Republican’s are going to correct all this crap once they win the majority.

    NEWS FLASH – if the R’s aren’t spouting in their talking points on the campaign trail then they aren’t going to be doing a daggone thing about this issue once elected. Accountability is the key here so what damned R is saying “hold me accountable if I don’t challenge the REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP to do the right thing. Answer: NOBODY!!!

    When I was a dem, trust me, these idiots were espousing the same crappola about impeaching Dubya…different party same meme…and we Dem’s went to the polls in droves b/c we desperately wanted that SOB out of there!

    You, as a radio host, had a caller who wished to provide these two men with an alternative viewpoint. Yet, YOU rather than allowing me to finish my comment cut me off while the know it all JB Williams was demeaning the comment I was making by the extremely astute blogger Prairie and YOU allowed him to get away with a comment about green martians.

    I don’t know who you are although I’ve seen you promote yourself for sometime now. Nothing wrong w/self promotion, but when you have a caller who is telling you your guests are 100% wrong, you choose to cut them off. How dare we, the blogging community put the pieces of this wicked puzzle together, share it and only be demeaned by your guests and cut off by you, the host. Your show tonight added little value to what we in the blogging community are already more than aware of. JB telling us that dirt and 2 parent lineage is not a news flash…WE’VE KNOWN THIS FOR THREE YEARS!!!

    Happy these two men are finally catching up with the rest of us, but by george we are so far beyond them and their Republican meme and closeted minds.

    PS – THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS UNDER MILITARY DICTATORSHIP! BOTHER YOURSELF AND READ PRAIRIE’S POSTS ABOVE!!! She has connected the dots for all of us so respect and honor her work!

  254. RM in NC……………………OT………………………….
    Here in Indiana we had an element of Pattons third Army, at Camp Atterbury. You didn’t have to look very hard to see the A3 patch on the left shoulder.Our local National Guard was then the 38th Div,also attached to A3. I served in our local 293rd Infantry Regiment. Service Company. Our 1st sgt was an ex jarhead,gunny. Atterbury was used to train Artillerymen during WW2. 105 howitzer, and 155 long toms.

  255. Does anyone have a link to a PDF or other version of Lind’s (I refuse to preface that name with ‘Judge’!) ruling in its entirety? I’d like to know more than one or two pull-quotes. What is the entire context surrounding her “embarrassment” remark?

    Was that remark a Freudian slip? What does Lind know and how did she learn it?

  256. Quote of the day – Fred Grandy, Conservative local Washington, D.C. talk radio host on WMAL AM , former U.S. Congressman and former cast member of “The Love Boat”, said this morning –

    “WE WILL STOP TREATING YOU LIKE A DOG WHEN YOU STOP TREATING US LIKE A FIRE HYDRANT!!!”

    ‘Talk About Me Like A Dog’

  257. JJ | September 7, 2010 at 1:14 am |
    Jonah…my husband and I will probably be alone–leaving around 6 am…
    If CW gives my email, we can try to meet…are you carrying a sign??
    =====================================
    JJ,
    Are you driving back home on Sunday? Pretty long drive from KY.
    I won’t be carrying a sign but will have my camera for sure.

  258. The tide is beginning to turn. I just heard this on MSNBC Morning Joe show that Obama is beginning to look like the “incredible shrinking man”. AND THESE WERE ALL LIBERALS.

  259. 12yr old Discovers all U.S.A. Presidents+Obama are related to King of England (Black Nobility)

  260. Jonah @ 12:37 am | Jonah-Obama/dog video all over the internet at Breitbart this am. Censorship or Obama minions I don’t know.
    “The CNN comments about Obama are mostly negative.
    The tide is turning.”-Finally and it seems to be picking up steam every day.

  261. CC,
    Here is the list promised last night.

    45 of the United States Congressmen are Jewish and almost all hold dual citizenship with Israel. Does this worry anyone else?
    2 weeks ago
    Additional Details
    Senate
    (14— 12 Democrats, 2 Independents)
    Michael Bennet (D-CO)*
    Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
    Benjamin Cardin (D-MD)
    Russ Feingold (D-WI)
    Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
    Al Franken (D-MN)*
    Herb Kohl (D-WI)
    Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Joseph Lieberman (I-CT)
    Carl Levin (D-MI)
    Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
    Charles Schumer (D-NY)
    Arlen Specter (D-PA)
    Ron Wyden (D-OR)
    House
    (31— 1 Republican, 30 Democrats)
    Gary Ackerman (D-NY)
    John H. Adler (D-NJ)*
    Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
    Howard Berman (D-CA)
    Eric Cantor (R-VA)
    Stephen Cohen (D-TN)
    Susan Davis (D-CA)
    Eliot Engel (D-NY)
    Bob Filner (D-CA)
    Barney Frank (D-MA)
    Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ)
    Alan Grayson (D-FL)*
    Jane Harman (D-CA)
    Paul Hodes (D-NH)
    Steve Israel (D-NY)
    Steve Kagen (D-WI)
    Ronald Klein (D-FL)
    Sander Levin (D-MI)
    Nita Lowey (D-NY)
    Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
    Jared Polis (D-CO)*
    Steve Rothman (D-NJ)
    Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
    Adam Schiff (D-CA)
    Allyson Schwartz (D-PA)
    Brad Sherman (D-CA)
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)

    I will let the liberal Wiki make my point for me:
    One circumstance where dual citizenship may run counter to expectations of government agencies is in matters of security clearance. Any person granted a Yankee White vetting must be absolutely free of foreign influence, and for other security clearances one of the grounds that may result in a rejected application is an actual or potential conflict of national allegiances.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

  262. Michelle | September 7, 2010 at 9:48 am |

    bo lost the support of all but the most depraved demRat criminals when he launched his Terroristic Genocide on the people of the Gulf Coast by ordering the Air Force to spray corexit over populated areas.

    Even the dimmest demRats know that bo’s corexit poison will be spread inland if Hurricanes hit the Gulf.

  263. Spoken like the car thief he really is. You steal a car, it is taken away from you. Usurper.
    Obama on GOP: “I don’t want to give them the keys back. … on it — they point to everybody and say, look what these guys did to your car. …

  264. All of the millitary men and women spraying this corexit are following illegal orders. Gas chambers come to mind. Unknowingly, they will cause millions harm.

  265. Free Speech @ 10:18 am |
    Whoever is on the path is going to get drenched. OK is next.
    Miami, FL, United States (AHN) – Tropical Storm Hermine made land landfall in northeastern Mexico and southern Texas late Monday night. The storm brought heavy rains and winds topping 45 mph to some of the same previously water-deluged areas that Hurricane Alex hit previously.
    Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7019819993#ixzz0yr0r2aHy

  266. Spotted this over at Orly Taitz’s site.

    EXCELLENT IDEA?

    In Seville, Spain, the City Council authorized the construction of a Mosque
    on one of the empty pieces of land. The citizens did not want the mosque
    built in their vicinity and found a brilliant solution. They buried a pig in
    the land, and made the news public. The Islamic law prohibits the
    construction of a mosque on the lands desecrated by remains of pigs,
    therefore the Muslims had to renounce the construction on this desecrated
    land…

    Astute Sevillans,,,The commentaries of the Civil Guard (Police) are very
    interesting. Maybe it is the solution needed by New York to avoid the
    construction of a mosque in the vicinity of the twin towers.

    The Israelis are using a similar strategy since 2004.. They placed a box
    containing pig lard on the buses in Israel and made it public that any
    kamikaze suicide bomber who tries to assault a bus, risks the prohibition of
    entering the heaven by getting the pig lard on him – there are no suicide
    bombers on the buses in Israel any more.

  267. bob strauss @ 10:34 am |
    I’m a firm believer in use what you have and it’s cheap too. On the battlefield they could use the lard as a Maginot Line.

  268. As a former Chicagoan I find this hilarous-means they are very crabby there, not too proud of the idiot Obama. Obama was not born in Chicago it is not his hometown-just his base of operations.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index
    CHICAGO (CBS) ―If there is any place President Obama is going to get the benefit of the doubt, it’s here in his hometown. Yet public opinion polls show that even here, confidence has slipped. Though they’re a bit hesitant to talk about it. When one resident was asked how Mr. Obama was doing, the answer was not very convincing. “Don’t ask me that question.”

  269. oldsalt79 | September 7, 2010 at 2:09 am |
    There are those in our Federal Government, and even in the CW blog who think,that the TEA PARTY is simply nothing more than a large group of UNEDUCATED PEOPLE,who are trying to fill the shoes of everybody who is well educated. This is really a little FANTASY in their OWN little minds.(NOTICE;) I said LITTLE. I personally think that it takes a LITTLE mind to attempt to speak for other people who you DON’T EVEN KNOW, or even have the slightest idea what these people think. The few times that I have seen the TEA PARTY people on news clips ,etc,they have always been peaceful. The WH calls them HOULIGANS. In November we shall see who the Houligans are, and who the………LOSERS are. You can call people names all day long,but eventually people will take time to look and see what the TEA PARTY really is FOR THEMSELVES. Then they will realise that the NAME CALLERS are really the EXTREMELY FRIGHTENED LIBERAL LEFT who once again are trying to make all of us IDIOTS think that “up” is “down”,and right is left. They continuue to spew this sort of garbage because they are people having WEAK,and ONE TRACK MINDS.
    ____________________________________________________

    Well said, Old Salt.

  270. Michelle | September 7, 2010 at 10:30 am |

    We are about to hit the peak of Hurricane season. Gaston is still in the Carribean and there are two more storms developing. I pray that a major Hurricane does not it a heavily populated area because that could spread the bo corexit fallout hundreds of miles inland.

  271. Free Speech @ 11:33 am | One thing you learn here in FL, Hurricane’s sure have a mind of their own. The year we went into the Greek alphabet-no power, weeks for some, months for others-camp-out.

  272. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Helen | September 7, 2010 at 2:12 am |

    =================================

    Prairie has largely heaped discredit on herself for Jew Bashing. This is unfortunate because she is often correct and insightful on other things. As I have duly noted over the months and recently.

    So, don’t get your knickers in a knot over the fact that people raise an eyebrow over anything she says. She brought it on herself.

    But having got that out of the way, let me positively address recent discussions.

    1. I think a common and well-reasoned answer to “OMG, look at all the Jews in government!”, is “So?”. BUT it is new revelation to me about dual citizenships. It matters not to me that their dual citizenship are with Israel. It is simply the word DUAL. Let’s explore this further. How many of the key PTBs have dual citizenship regardless of with whom. This is very worrisome.

    2. Military coup: Given the outrageous nature of this claim (combined with problems above) it is extremely difficult to not dismiss this straight away. BUT some of the logic Prairie laid out is compelling. While it is far less than proof and not even good or complete circumstantial evidence – it IS enough to definitely point to some smoke that needs to be further investigated. I encourage all who are capable and interested to do so. At a minimum I would like to know why? Who is in charge? What perceived problem were they trying to fix? Or just a simple power trip? What is their mission and agenda? Is it small number of people or widespread? And most importantly, who are they associated with in the world? Loose relationships? Allies? Agents of? Puppets of?

    In the spirit of open mind and open eyes, I want to know more about both of these topics. That is as positive as I care to be at the moment.

  273. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    ms. helga | September 7, 2010 at 7:18 am |

    I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING!

    Sometimes political idiots toss up a hanging curve ball – you can be sure that at least one wise commentator will hit it out of the park.

    This is worthy of Winston Churchill – PRICELESS:

    “WE WILL STOP TREATING YOU LIKE A DOG WHEN YOU STOP TREATING US LIKE A FIRE HYDRANT!!!”

  274. CC,
    If I am a Jew basher, than I am one with a Jewish maiden name.

    The Myth of Tiny, Little Israel: Zionist Tentacles Everywhere
    Sam Hamod, Ph.D.
    06/26/03: (todaysaltnews.com) No decent human being in this world can see Sharon and his zionist minions killing women, children and elderly, destroying their homes, schools and hospitals and not feel a moral repugnance. There are many Jews as well as others who abhor this, in fact, these Jews are among the most heroic in fighting this brutality that is being used against the Palestinians and the espionage Mossad is perpetrating all over the world. This group includes such people as Nurit Peled (the winner of the Sakharov Prize for Peace in Israel), Anthony Lewis, Professor Naom Chomsky, Rabbi Michael Lerner and many other courageous and moral people. So let it be known that we must get past the myth of “tiny, little Israel” to see the truth about Israel and her supporters whose tentacles have spread throughout the world.

    This article pertains to those who are zionists who support the brutal tactics of Sharon and his predecessors in Palestine and in the U.S.; it is this group that has infiltrated American politics, media and military policy ( and the policies of other nations as well) through secret agents, those who carry dual citizenship but are more loyal to Israel than to the US or other nations, through the Mossad agents that have been hired for security reasons in various nations who then branch out to recruit others who then become agents for Israel, and through the academics whose political connections and media connections that make them overnight “authorities” so as to be an asset to Israel (Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, Richard Perle, Bernard Lewis to name but a few).

  275. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Late yesterday, a wise commenter left me some insightful and well-reasoned thoughts on my recent posts and further questions about my position on “eligibility”. This leads to the following concise credo:

    You can call me what you want or deny to me a label or name you cherish, but I don’t care. Names are just semantic bombs. But here is the core of my beliefs and current position on “eligibility”. You can then attach whatever name amuses you.

    I believe that Zero’s self-published and self-admitted information about his family makes him NOT a NBC. More specifically, not a NBC by what we all believe to be the history and purpose and “obvious meaning” of this designation. However, there are two things working against an attack in this area. 1) None of the PTBs care. The most I can see as any recognition of it at all is “minor technical legality”. Further, all the PTBs seemed to have linked arms in opposition to deposing Zero SOLELY on this basis. I think they think the masses will see this as a dirty trick to disenfranchise the black man. 2) This is complicated by the FACT that NBC has never been officially defined. And I strongly believe that no one will define it in an exclusive manner during the tenure of a specific official and then use it against that official. So to be very specific, I am sympathetic to people concerned about NBC but consider it a total dead end, as a practical matter. I used to believe otherwise, but the recent Lakin hearing convinced me that this sickness has spread – and deeply – even into the military – which was our last hope.

    Again, based on Zero’s self-published and self-admitted history, and other information (circumstantial evidence – not yet strong enough to directly convict without further discovery – but certainly strong enough to indict or present), I am entirely convinced that Zero is not now an American Citizen and has never been. I propose that continuing to pound hard on this angle continues to be a Smart Play.

    Finally, I believe that attacking “lack of documentation”, in general, is the Best Play. All of the things you all complain about. All of the things that frighten you. All these can be traced directly to his formative years and lack of documentation. THIS is where you will find the holy grail. This is where you will find what makes Zero a Zero.

    Please – if that is not clear – please ask an intelligent question. I need the truth about where I stand to be abundantly clear. I don’t require anybody agree with me. But I do require that I not be misunderstood and/or that my words are not twisted into meaningless hash.

  276. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm |

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    Let me summarize your comment in a few short words:

    “I am not a Jew Basher – BASH BASH BASH”.

    I don’t know you learned this stuff or got exposed to it, but it is beyond repulsive. It is even more repulsive that you do not see yourself for what you are. An ENABLER of the Islam world rule. In MY world and what I learned and was taught – a civilized nation defending themselves from barbarian invasion is way out toward the end of the spectrum called “good wars”.

    Do you understand that there is NO PALESTINE? There are NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE? These are all fictions made up by the barbarians and spread like manure.

    Why do you think Israelis allow some Arabs under certain conditions into Israeli cities and lands? And Arabs (spef. Muslims) allow NO JEWS anywhere in there midst? How come all of the Israeli government documents recognize Arabs and makes no pejorative remarks about them? Yet EVERY barbarian organization antagonizing Israel not only refuses to recognize their legitimate right to exist, but actively calls for their complete and utter destruction?

    I thought this LEVEL of Anti-Semitism had been forever sent to the hell it came from in, oh, say, 1945 or shortly thereafter.

  277. CC,
    I agree. Defining NBC allows too much wiggle room. Hell, they can’t even define the terms “sex” and “is.” What I get from your posts is this: If the ump is not calling the low ones for a strike, stop throwing it or risk walking the batter. It’s time for a curve or change up. It’s time for a little chin music.

  278. CC,
    You don’t get me apparently. This is not about Muslims and Jews. This is about foreign influence and America’s best interest. Plain. Simple. Straight shootin’. This is about truth without prejudice, this is about obvious facts. Chertoff was head of the Department of Homeland Security, he is an Israeli/US dual citizen. Would you sleep tight if he were a Cuban dual or Syrian dual citizen? Be real. Stop with the religious arguements, this is about allegiance and loyalty to ones country NOT how or who they pray to.

    Why our exceptions for Israel? You won’t find any congressman with other dual citizenship. Atleast not recognized, because if you study the dual citizenship information you will see that the US allows but does not recognize the citizenship laws of any other country in the world- other than Israel’s. That is what I have been learning today while you bash me.

    Question for all: Would Obama’s dual citizenship be an issue if it were with Israel? Wow, has the propoganda worked. Did you know my son’s American Legion Poppy poster was disqualified because it did not include the Star of David. Really. Look up the rules.

  279. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm |

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    Precisely.

    Like I said, you have moments of brilliance!

  280. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 1:01 pm |

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    Thank you for a polite response. But you should know, nothing sets me off worse then Anti Semitism. You may be amazed to know that what I wrote was actually the significantly watered-down version of what I started to reply – after I cooled off a lot.

    Due to your polite response I will largely deflect my ire to the IDIOT you quoted. But it worries me that you post stuff like this.

    However, on the other hand, your post that I am now replying to was not offensive. You have expressed legitimate concerns.

    So I will try to answer in-kind.

    I am VERY concerned about Dual Citizenship for ANY American leader or official. If what you say is true, I find it odd that there are so many with Israeli citizenship but not other countries. But, on the other hand, we have always said we have a special relationship with Israel.

    But again on the other hand, I am not alarmed much by anything Israel or Mossad, etc. do. I view them as being quite similar to US counterparts. If I had to pick a single friend or ally on the world stage, Israel would be it.

    (Interestingly, I am not a Jew and not even culturally close. I align with them because I feel more comfortable with and akin to them than other countries – even England or Germany, etc. It is similar to the way one picks political parties. Is Party X perfect? Is Party X aligned with me all the time? No, but they are the best and closest aligned.)

    Cubans, Syrians, etc. are NOT an any way remotely similar to me or any US interests. So, yes, I would be SIGNIFICANTLY more alarmed if our leaders had dual allegiance in that direction.

    Yes, I would be equally alarmed if Zero had dual citizenship with Israel. The spirit and intent of the NBC rule clearly outlaws dual citizenship of any kind. It is not negotiable.

    Finally, I fundamentally disagree with you about one thing – and I will NEVER change. EVERYTHING is about the Muslim/Jew standoff. Whether you meant it that way or not is irrelevant. Whether any politician wishes to see if differently or not is irrelevant. The MUSLIMS have made this choice, not the JEWS. The MUSLIMS have made their entire lives revolve around Jew Hatred. Even more so than Nazis. (If you have not seen it there is information, some of it relatively new, that a good part – even a majority? – of Nazi Jew Hatred was driven my their Muslim allies!)

    Bottom line that means – whether your intent or not – that every blow to the Jew, no matter how minor, is a boost to Muslims. ANY LEVEL OF JEW BASHING is aiding and enabling MUSLIMS.

    Muslims are a far worse scourge on the earth – ESPECIALLY TO WESTERN CIVILIZATION – than any Jews.

    Like any other member of the family, we need to gently chide (in private as much as possible) and encourage best behavior of all the family members – but we must NOT kick them out of the family, or publicly embarrass them in front of “outsiders” – especially existential enemies.

  281. CC,
    I will stand my ground, this should not be about the Muslims and Jews, it should always be about the Constitution and America’s Sovereignty. Sovereignty = not controlled by outside forces. . . Guess what? I love bacon and I would look like chit in a burka. I don’t attend stonings
    either. Except my own for drawing attention to Zionist (not Jewish) influence in all levels and aspect of our government, media, and banks.

    CC,
    I do appreciate the chance to have this two-way conversation as well. My eyes and mind are always open…as is my mouth.

  282. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    From my research and not verbatim, but paraphrased…correct any propaganda, please:
    Germans and Americans have been paying Israelis to help them commit crimes against the Palestinians for years but the Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to a single Jew in Europe.
    So Israel wants to attack Iran to shut its president up while making the excuse that Iran is a nuclear threat!
    Israel’s nuclear weapons program has been ignored by successive U.S. administrations since 1986.
    Obama chose to expose the Iranian regime, but not Israel’s.
    Iran hasn’t atacked another country in living memory,–So, the U.S. and AIPAC will stop at nothing to satisfy its own and nuclear Israel’s hatred for Iran.

    Aren’t we always Israel’s lap dog?? You know the false flag stories….and who steps up to the plate??
    Maybe we’re not being used, but following the true agenda of the Zionists, dual-citizenship leaders in this administration??
    I see what I see as a little country girl in the sticks….and I’m really tired of losing our military for their reasons.
    Withdraw all military…let them solve their own battles…we have our own at home.
    We are not our brother’s keepers when our ‘brother’ wants to kill us…or sacrifice ours for their petty squabbles….I truly believe all wars were only to make money for the military-industrial complex…

    How long is Israel our ally….after we choose to stop fighting THEIR fights for them???

  283. So many canaries in the coal mine, from so many divergent sources early on tried to warn the nation re: the Obama’s and they just wouldn’t listen, plan B was to outright lie.
    http://hillbuzz.org/2010/09/07/great-merciful-zeus-chicago-media-reporting-people-feel-let-down-by-obama-the-lightbringer/What’s interesting is that we’re in this new phase of reality where even Chicagoans have been emboldened by the Obamas’ incompetence to start saying “I don’t want to talk about it” instead of lying and saying ‘They’re the best evah!” the way people did back in 2009.
    Just wait until the Obamas screw Chicago over again, and that Library heads to Honolulu. Hawaii will probably rename an airport for him as well, which is what the Obama cultists want to do to Midway Airport here in Chicago (but mercifully, veterans’ groups are fighting Mayor Daley on that tooth and nail).
    That’s when “no comment” and “I don’t want to talk about that” will give way to the truth about how Chicagoans really feel about this pair.
    (more)

  284. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    JJ | September 7, 2010 at 3:17 pm |

    ==================================

    Sigh, I don’t even know where to begin. I disagree with 99% of this. I would love to provide a LOT of counterpoint truth, but I’m afraid of hijacking this blog. I already get accused of that enough.

    I will just say this. Our true enemy is the Islamic Ummah and the Islamic Caliphate – the true meaning (from their own books) of “religion of peace”. The peace spoken of will be achieved if and when Islam rules the world.

    Israel is the point of the shield and sometimes the point of the spear. Why would we care if they had Nuclear weapons? We WANT them to have nuclear weapons. If they fail/fall, we fail/fall. It is that simple. And yes we are THAT interconnected. The world is a small place. ISOLATIONISM WILL NOT WORK. Western Civilization is at risk.

    Oh, and Iran is FAR MORE DANGEROUS than you let on.

  285. Why do they get to be the spear and the shield while we get stuck being the blood and the money?

  286. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm |
    Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm |
    CC says to Prairie:
    “I don’t know you learned this stuff or got exposed to it, but it is beyond repulsive. It is even more repulsive that you do not see yourself for what you are.”
    *************************************
    CC, this stuff has been around for at least 50 years and even before that .

    My first real contact came back in the 1970’s when the Bilderbergers and other NWO players became more well-known. Many in patriotic circles were latching onto this information, and along with it came great criticism of “Zionists.” Of course, there was a great “revival” of interest in national politics about that time, because we had just gone through Watergate and the Carter years were upon us in full force after 1976. Our hostages were being held in Iran, so there was a great zeal and desire to change the status quo, especially among conservatives.

    Thus, it seems that whenever our country is in trouble there is a revived interest on placing blame, and because the Jews are bright. ambitious, and know how to be successful, the age-old hatred pops up ever again. This is a fabrication – it is NOT new – that seeks to place blame on “zionists”, because to be a Jew-hater is too onerous.

    Zionists ARE Jews who seek the welfare of the nation of Israel. This business of making a distinction between Zionists and Jews is nothing but a red herring – a distraction. All of the information that some seem to have gathered to support otherwise is mainly conspiracy talk.

    For me personally, I want absolutely no part of it!! It is obnoxious, it is not based on real truth, and it is terribly misleading and dangerous. This doesn’t mean that Israel has always done the right thing, but my support is for a Jewish homeland, which they were given.

    Believe me, the Muslims are overjoyed – absolutely delighted – to see Americans think and talk this way against anything Jewish. After all, they all have pledged to drive Israel into the sea. Their children are taught to kill the “pigs”. How do people like Prairie,JJ, and Helen explain all of that? Oh, probably because the Jews have been so mean to the Palestinians……Give me a break!

    Just as you have done, CC, with certain subjects that arise from time to time, I have nothing to discuss with those who are ascribing to these vile theories. We are worlds apart, and a reconciliation is very unlikely.

  287. Cabby,
    In a nutshell, then… American sovereignty be damned. Constitution be damned. National security for sale. Millitary for hire. Does it bother you more that I speak the truth or that I am having fun with your “vile and obnoxious”anti- American ” propoganda?

  288. Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 9:48 pm |
    Cabby,
    In a nutshell, then… American sovereignty be damned. Constitution be damned. National security for sale. Millitary for hire. Does it bother you more that I speak the truth or that I am having fun with your “vile and obnoxious”anti- American ” propoganda?
    ************************************
    You are completely mistaken about my views of America. Where in the world did you ever get the idea that I am saying the above things? You are totally unfair in assessing my patriotism. I’ve been around and seen much more of life than I think you have. You apparently are so convinced you are right in your views about Zionism that it seems to have made you extremely cynical and bitter. That is unfortunate. Maybe someday you will come to see the real truth and it won’t be what you are seeing now.

  289. Prairie | September 7, 2010 at 9:48 pm |
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    Cabby,
    In a nutshell, then… American sovereignty be damned. Constitution be damned. National security for sale. Millitary for hire. Does it bother you more that I speak the truth or that I am having fun with your “vile and obnoxious”anti- American ” propoganda?

  290. What I’m about to write is a stretch, I know. But it makes sense, when little else does.

    This judge, Col. Denise R. Lind, has in effect kicked this case upstairs to a higher jurisdiction. Just like every other judge that has dismissed a case for lack of standing (that is, lack of jurisdiction), she knows that she does not have the power and authority to defy the Obama usurpation and make a subpoena for his records stick. So she is sending it to a more powerful court, which will send it to a more powerful court, until eventually either the U.S. Supreme Court, or in this case, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will have to oust the usurper. This will result in the same endgame as the Honduran military ousting and deporting ex-Pres. Manuel Zelaya when he made moves in the direction of changing the term limit in the Constitution.

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