Health Care Bill passed in House, November 7, 2009, Scorecard for 2010, 220 to 215 vote, 39 Democrats voted no, 1 Republican voted yes, More tea parties, Senate may stall, Vote the Jackasses out in 2010

From Fox News, November 7, 2009.

“House Passes Health Care Bill”

“The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.
In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.

The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin a long-delayed debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.

A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later — and Obama issued a statement saying, “I look forward to signing it into law by the end of the year.”

“It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it,” said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.

In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from the two political parties joined forces to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.

Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.

The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government’s mandates.

Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history. In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price fixing and market allocation.

At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill’s most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that premiums for it would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.

A cheer went up from the Democratic side of the House when the bill gained 218 votes, a majority. Moments later, Democrats counted down the final seconds of the voting period in unison, and let loose an even louder roar when Pelosi grabbed the gavel and declared, “the bill is passed.”

The bill drew the votes of 219 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao, a first-term Republican who holds an overwhelmingly Democratic seat in New Orleans. Opposed were 176 Republicans and 39 Democrats.

From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, “We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system.””

“”We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health care system faster than you can say, `this is making me sick,”‘ jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing “a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding” bill.”

Read more:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/07/house-passes-health-care/

We will use this vote as a basis for our scorecard to vote the Jackasses out in 2010.

390 responses to “Health Care Bill passed in House, November 7, 2009, Scorecard for 2010, 220 to 215 vote, 39 Democrats voted no, 1 Republican voted yes, More tea parties, Senate may stall, Vote the Jackasses out in 2010

  1. THE FUZE IS LIT AND FORT SUMTER HAS BEEN FIRED ON.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

  2. 16 McCain district Reps voted FOR the bill…..
    WV-01 Mollohan 57

    WV-03 Rahall 56

    AR-02 Snyder 54

    AZ-01 Kirkpatrick 54

    PA-10 Carney 54

    ND-AL Pomeroy 53

    SC-05 Spratt 53

    AZ-05 Mitchell 52

    AZ-08 Giffords 52

    OH-18 Space 52

    IN-08 Ellsworth 51

    VA-05 Perriello 51

    CO-03 Salazar 50

    IN-09 Hill 50

    OH-06 Wilson 50

    PA 12 Murtha 50

    More about how they voted:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Now-that-they-passed-it-will-Bluedogs-survive-2010-69504782.html

  3. Sandy,
    Clue me in on this. I just heard it passed by ONE
    vote—and that vote was a CROSS OVER REPUBLICAN JACKASS from LA. Sorry for the caps, but I am SCREAMING.
    Ques: Is this true—-the ONE VOTE Republican
    did it???? Please let me know. I want this
    Rep. on the DO NOT VOTE FOR list. Thanks,
    Sandy.

  4. Sandy,
    Think we all should make plenty of comments
    on your link above. I did. (Butterflies …)

  5. Ms Helga,
    You are correct. We are leaving Ft. S.

  6. Maddie,
    It was 220-215. If this does pass the Senate, is it possible to just “defund” it in 2010 with a new congress. This would be instead of repeal which o could veto.

  7. Here is the list of names for the Ayes, print it off and use it in 2010.

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

  8. Welcome to the New USSA! If you are unemployed and can’t afford Nancy Pelousy’s $15,000 employment health care Bill, you will spend up to 5 years in Jail. Its In the Bill. Abortion is in the bill as well. Also Americans paying for Health Care for Illegal Immigrants. Thank You Senator Cao. (You Jerk!) I hope we have an election in 2010 to vote them out.

  9. truthbetold11

    This is not good. Most Democratic voters probably 75 percent have no idea who they voted in office. This will destroy America period.

  10. I am SOOOOOO angry. Hubby just went to buy more ammo. He is scaring me.

    Comments on other sites are pretty intense. Many calling to end peaceful protests.

  11. The magic number was 218 Maddie. They got 220

  12. Patriot Dreamer

    Republican Congressman Joe Cao (Louisiana) waited until the Dems. got their minimum 218 votes, and then he voted for it. His vote did not make or break the bill, but I wonder what his district will think.

  13. Print and mail to Cao.

  14. just wondering

    Anyone going to jail with me?
    I am disgusted! What has happened to the democratic party?
    Can anyone tell me the definition of TREASON? How can we start bringing charges against these anti-constitutionalists?

  15. Are they TRYING to incite violence?

  16. Sandy,
    I believe o would love nothing more. I am dead serious.

  17. Just found this explanation from FR:

    The Senate is scheduled to be in session today according to the C-Span crawl on Washington Journal. Business to be conducted is related to H1N1 and Climate Chamge Bill.

  18. There is No Such Thing as a Conservative Socialist Democrat. I have followed the Blue-Dog Democrats for many years and they vote the same way and pull the same stunts every time. If you follow their voting record, the Blue Dog Democrats have voted 98% in favor of Nancy Pelosi’s and the Democrats wishes. That’s not being a Conservative.

    In fact, each time the Liberal Socialist place a Bill, the Blue Dog’s say no, acting conservative, then at the last minute, vote yes with the Dems. Don’t ever believe they will vote against their own party on a final bill, 98% of the time and hundreds of bills later, they voted for it, not against it. The Senate will do the same exact thing as well.

  19. DenisetheMenace

    Good morning. I saw an interview with Rep. Cao of LI.

    He denies voting to keep his seat (his district is 60% dem). I remember being quite surprised at his election. But, he is really a RINO. He could not say specifically that he was in favor of the bill either. So, obviously, he did it to keep his seat. He waited until after the vote tally was 218 to vote. Actually there were some dems that did the same. It is just a game. That is how it is done. They keep some out until a majority is reached then they jump in – sometimes they even change their vote. I seem to recall that happened with TARP.

    I’m heading to church now. Then I need to take a break after yesterday – I could not stop watching to the end. I did turn it off when Pelosi was hosting the news conference.

  20. Sandy,

    Yes they needed 218 and got 220. This pattern is old and now tiresome. Ever notice how it’s always a tight squeeze with everything. They only seek to get what they need, nothing more. If they needed more, they’d get it.

    I hope everyone realizes that Obama is quite irrelelvant where the globalist agenda is concerned. Indeed this man can’t seem to do their bidding very well at all.

    Please take any major overhaul as an example, starting with the primaries eg. Ohio/PA, then the democratic nomination, the election and on and on.

    First they let Obama take the lead and see how far he can get on his own, with less criminal and bullying tactics. Obama soon or later begins to flail, both because he has little credibililty, but also bc asking Americans to destroy their country is unpalatable, and then they usher in their bully and criminal tactics. He couldn’t get health care reform for the summer, then Labour Day and then early November. Well the globalist agenda had to have this by early November. You know they have their own timetable, not Obama’s or the people.

    The Stupak amendment is not acceptable. Full federal funding equals full federal control. Let’s see how they weasel out of this one. Will there be 11 Dems to oppose this in Senate, assuming all Repubs go along? We’ll see, but resistance must continue.

  21. I heard one Rep say this was more polarizing to the nation than Iraq.

    Understatement of the century

  22. For the first time in my life I amm afraid to live in America. Where have the elected officials lost their way?

  23. Patriot Dreamer

    sandy // November 8, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I heard one Rep say this was more polarizing to the nation than Iraq.

    Understatement of the century
    ***************************************
    Definitely.

  24. “The goal of socialism is communism.”
    “A lie told often enough becomes truth”
    —Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924)

    American Socialist Norman Thomas, 6 times candidate for president, said:

    “The American People would never knowingly vote for Socialism, but under the name Liberalism, the American people would adopt every fragment of the Socialist program. Since the Democratic Party is shifting to Socialism under the name Liberalism, I will no longer run for President of the United States.” —- Norman Thomas, 1927.

    “Socialism is evil, it uses coercive means to take from one American and give to another whom it does not belong nor earned it”…….. William (Me)

  25. DenisetheMenace

    uspat,

    This has been a century in the making. It takes a long time to infiltrate the government to this level. But here we are.
    A lot of people truly believe this is about America taking care of her own. Then there are those who are doing this to take total control. The bill was not about health care – it was about control (did you hear about the vending machines, the loan forgiveness for animal vets, for clinics in schools, for home visits so parents are watched in how they take care of the kids, for the rationing if it gets too expensive and it already is, etc., etc., etc., ).
    People who are not watching this are only hearing about health care for all.
    It was a very sad night last night. BUT – this is not the end.

    I need to go to church and clear my head today.
    I’ll check in later.
    Praise God today that we can fight this.

    God Bless the USA.

  26. Here is what Ronald Regan said about Socialized Medicine and Socialism as a threat to the Freedom and Liberties of Americans.

    A Must see………

    Maybe someone needs to send this to his punk son Ron Regan, who is a Socialist and referred to Tea-Party participants as correlated to the terrorist act at Fort Hood. If Ronald was still alive, he would puke and disown his own son.

  27. When are we going to accept / they say what is necessary to push agendas beneficial to maintaining power and control – there is no concern for the people who elected them . A new kind of public servant must return to congress – a real hard working American who does not twist and spin lies to look like “depends on your definition of is ” its the lawyer mentality – that has in its profession the ability to twist the truth in order to win that has tainted and ruined the public servants stance taken once in congress . They have not understood – they work for us and must be fired if they become enamered with themselves and the fame , glory , power prestige overcomes their oath …… do we not see this evidenced by the denial of tea party activity -as nothing more than republican maneuvering when if fact it truly is a ground swell – tsunami is more like it – of “We aren’t gona take it anymore and DO YOU HERE US NOW – in your face – as they continue to pour liter fuel on our backs – they are not going to know what hit them when
    2010 finally arrive s – Va & Jersey are definite examples of this sentiment and look – NY23 voted last night with dems on bill as he was sworn in and commentary by Obama is we a pulled a fast one !!!! My head is spinning !
    1 Rep 1 fast one would have been 218-217 – and one gun to the head somewhere – 39 defectors –
    All I can say is history is going to prove this to be one of the most volatile periods and tested periods since the revolution itself and the civil war !!!!!!!

  28. liter – sorry lighter fuel !

  29. and did the amendments get read !!!! hail no !
    FIRE THEM !!!

  30. CW-The Steady Drip has a complete list of Democrats who need to be voted out.

  31. Some one las night / Jeraldo – compared what Hasan and a solider do if a grenade is thrown and the solider throws himself on it to prevent others from dying as the same – I don’t think so – opposite –
    one wishes to kill the other to prevent !

  32. I say though them all out.

  33. My general sense is that given the closeness of the vote and the results in NJ and Va, this is going to have a very difficult time passing the senate. Anybody have an opinion?

    My next question, though, is this…if Republicans manage to gain control of congress over the course of 2010 and 2012, can’t this stuff be repealed? I mean, really…prohibition was repealed, wasn’t it? This stuff supposedly doesn’t go into effect until 2013, if I’m not mistaken.

  34. See how far we’ve come…

    here’s an article written in August by Gerald Celente – The 2nd American Revolution. It’s worth a first or a second read whatever the case may be.

    http://lewrockwell.com/orig10/celente11.1.html

  35. John Feeny,
    I mentioned before and will ask again, can a new congress just vote to not fund it?

  36. Celente – A New Third Party Coming, BEFORE 2010.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/celente/celente19.1.html

    Part 1 of 4 (see link above for the remaining 3)

  37. There is no doubt they are inciting violence. I just hope the innocent don’t get hurt. Now more than ever, charges must be brought against Pelosi!!!

  38. JustMe,

    I have and continue to concur with Celente. The evidence is there for everyone to see.

  39. Sandy,

    don’t fear what your hubby is doing. Thank him for his love and care. He’s in survival mode. We’re wired that way naturally.

    IMHO, we’ve been neutered and dumbed down using a variety of means to have us become the mindless sheeple “they” needed to bring in their agenda.

  40. Prairie –
    I don’t know the answer to that…perhaps someone else does. I’d still like to know what everyone else thinks about this Obamanation passing the senate.

  41. John Feeny.
    Interesting question.
    Did Reid let the cat out of the bag.
    Why would they indicate it could be the beginning of the year before they
    can pass the bill if it is a certainty.
    Will Reid try to circumvent a filibuster?
    Yes it can be repealed if we do our jobs.

  42. Venice,

    I love these 4 vids. He’s so passionate and in a way funny.

    He’s able to put things in such perspective there’s no denying what he says.

  43. We must thank the 39 Democrats that voted no.
    Are they salvageable?
    My mom always said, “Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.”
    Any congressman with a decent record, who believes the US Constitution is the
    supreme law of the land and who will listen to the American public,
    is worth working with.

  44. Sandy,

    make sure to listen to Celente’s videos. It will give you a MUCH different perspective on your hubby going for more ammo – particularly #2.

  45. Morning All,

    Just sent a two word note to Niki Tsongas-6th Congressional-MA:

    YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. CW,

    My above post 9:35 a.m. may sound deterministic but it is not. The people have a strong voice and it must be used. We cannot know where our influence will lie in advance. What is important is for everybody to remain involved, informed and active. Yes, I agree the 39 Dems needs to be thanked.

  47. Venice,

    if you have time Dr. Winn Parker is on Repub Broadcasting right now. He’s the one that I told you I heard last Sun. for the first time. He’s talking about healthcare bill right now.

    http://republicbroadcasting.org/?page_id=3

  48. Barack Hussein Obama II, used a crude gay-baiting sexual slur to denigrate Tea Party patriots in a talk with House Democrats yesterday on Capitol Hill, reported the New York Times:

    According to Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon, who supports the health care bill, the president asked, “Does anybody think that the teabag, anti-government people are going to support them if they bring down health care? All it will do is confuse and dispirit” Democratic voters “and it will encourage the extremists.”

  49. Patriot Dreamer

    John Feeny // November 8, 2009 at 10:24 am

    My general sense is that given the closeness of the vote and the results in NJ and Va, this is going to have a very difficult time passing the senate. Anybody have an opinion?

    My next question, though, is this…if Republicans manage to gain control of congress over the course of 2010 and 2012, can’t this stuff be repealed? I mean, really…prohibition was repealed, wasn’t it? This stuff supposedly doesn’t go into effect until 2013, if I’m not mistaken.
    ***************************************
    Yes, it can be repealed, but it is very, very difficult to repeal entitlement programs. As long as BO is in office (or someone who thinks the health care boondoggle is a good idea), he will have the power of veto. The only way to overcome a Presidential veto is with a two-thirds majority in the House and the Senate. No way to achieve that in 2010.

    I do have some hope that the Senate will not pass this bill. The fact that Reid is postponing the vote there sounds like a good sign.

  50. This is the biggest single one day dissaster in American History. This bill will result in more dead, more economic collapse, more debt, and more strife internally, than any event in US history. There is no going back from here, there will be no Constitution, no freedom. There will be Jail time for not ‘having health insurance’. There will be unsustainable Federal Government. States will succeed to avoid bankrupt Federal Government. There will be blood from this.

    Many here understand the gravity of what just transpired. Many feel betrayed by their fellow citizens, and the government. They know not what they have done, they can’t see the consequences of their actions. The will feel it soon.

  51. Prairie- my response to Obama I’ll probably put in Chicago-ese since I’m from there.
    Obama-you are a product of the South Side of Chicago, Cook County, IL a/k/a the cesspool of corruption. Because you are not NBC, you have some major attitude problems to go along with your filthy mouth, and brain damage due to your prior proud drug use. The American people love their Constitution, the country, their fellow Americans-even those they may not agree with all the time. They love their form of government. The American people are not anti-government (democratic republic) they are anti-your weird interpretation of our government along with your fellows in corruption the current DNC. When the law of the land as it surely will remember Nixon? is followed you and your fellow Democrats in Corruption will be in jail where you surely belong.

  52. I can feel it. Revolution is right around the corner.

    It’s a very sad day.

  53. Interesting how a massive public shooting
    took place in Texas to distract everyone
    away from the Healthcare bill.

    Look into MK-ULTRA and how the government
    has used mind-controll techniques for years.
    The shooter spent years studying psychology
    in government institutions. It’s not much of
    a stretch to consider he was part of a mind-
    control type of program.

    Just notice how ” distractions ” occur, and
    the media jumps on them right before important
    legislation passes.

    Check out: davidicke.com, rense.com,
    theuniversalseduction.com, jimmarrs.com

  54. Patriot Dreamer-I heard on one of the tv shows (half listening) that they do not have the votes in the Senate. Another solution that is on going is 10 th Amendment States-State Sovereignty, because states are sick of Federal Governments unfunded mandates. I really like state of Texas’ threat of secession, which would effectively cripple the power of Washington, I think DC would give up in a week.
    From free republic.
    “Time for states and individuals to cut their ties with the Marxist, communist and evil oppression of Nancy Pelosi, Barack Hussein Obama and the rest of the twisted souls. I’m done with this government. I’m no longer paying taxes or complying with any Federal regulations. My loyalty is to my state. Come get me Nazis.”
    1 posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:31:18 AM by NoobRep

  55. The Constitution does not give Congress the right to implement Legislation which basically subverts the actual Constitution of the United States. We can Blog about it, hate it, and discuss the possibilities of replacing the people that voted for this Communistic Health Care Bill, but what are we really going to do about it. It is time for those that believe in our Constitution, to unite behind some one that can fight the legalities of this. We must unite with the force of a Revolution that is ready to fight for our Country. Words mean nothing at this point. If we do not move now, we will continue to allow this Communist take over. We need to find a Judge who will issue Warrants that can be served on Pelosi and Congress, Warrants that can be served on every member of Our Government that allowed an illegal Usurper to take control of our Country, and most of a warrant for the arrest of Obama! I know most Judges are Corrupt, however I think with a lot of research, we may find one that would sign the warrants and stand up for the Constitution. Maybe some of you that are great with research could find that JUDGE!

  56. Kinda off topic here, but I’m listening to them discuss Major Hasan and the PTSD situation. They are claiming that Hasan hearing so many cases of PTSD may have caused him to act. I’m thinking that if he were a true Muslim as they define it, wouldn’t he be thrilled that so many had PTSD. I just can’t buy the PTSD defense!!!
    Senator Leiberman doesn’t either.

    Anyone’s thoughts? I want the Military to not enroll anymore Muslims and throughly investigate the ones enrolled with religion listed as Muslim.

  57. Patriot Dreamer

    Good article:

    “We always thought the fight was in the Senate, so the only real surprise yesterday was how weak Pelosi actually was on ObamaCare. Our focus now has to shift to those red-state Senators who will have to explain to voters their potential support of a bill that imposes unconstitutional mandates and trillions of dollars in new costs on a government that can’t pay its bills now. And in this case, we’ll only need two of them to stop the runaway tyranny of the Democratic agenda.”

    for the rest:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/is-this-the-high-water-mark-for-obamacare/

    article asks a good question: Will Senator Coburn make good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor?

  58. Joy-we could put it on the internet. A help wanted ad.
    Wanted in the United States of America ONE Honest Judge-Patriot and believer in the Constitution of the United States of America. Believes any oath sworn before God and his fellow Americans is honorable and will honor that oath.

  59. @Joy,
    There is a judge in TX that joined Orly’s facebook as a friend. Her name is Rose Vela. Maybe she would help. Her email address is rosevela.com If I remember correctly, she lives in San Antonio.

    You can go to Orly’s site at orlytaitzesq.com and look in the archives. It was posted early last week…can’t remember which day.

  60. Patriot Dreamer
    “Will Senator Coburn make good on his threat to have the bill read in its entirety on the Senate floor?” He should have this read on the Senate floor, this bill is so bad, let everyone hear it. From now on every bill should have to be read out loud on the Senate floor. You would see bills 1900 pages long condensed to 2 pages real fast.

  61. MUST READ post #11- in depth and great detail on all of o’s ss#’s.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381537/posts#comment

  62. Kidmon // November 8, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Morning, Kidmon,

    Hasan is a radical Islamic terrorist. Plain and simple.

    Those offering the PTSD excuse are full of it.

    Can we kindly take off the PC gloves and call this guy for what he was? I don’t give a flying fig that he was born and raised in America-it’s the ‘religion of peace’ that spawns this kind of thing.

    Yes, the military should investigate each and every Muslim in their ranks, but they won’t because there’s always another excuse for this kind of behavior. Gotta be PC, ya know.

    BULL!

    I’ll say again what I’ve said before: The Muslim leaders and the entire community have done nothing to police their own and nail the extremists before something like this happens. Are they afraid of their own terrorists?

    Yes, there are fanatics in every religion but Islam seems to have the lion’s share. And no one had better call me a bigot for saying that…it’s as plain as the nose on your face where the problems lie!

  63. Common sense and wisdom will prevail – Va & Jersey are two very different states and the flip away from Obama is so glaring and consider this :
    if acorn truly affected the vote last september and all eyes are watching – the just righteous heart of American Freedom seekers will fight these frauds out of office – we must be aware to never allow ourselves to think we can fall asleep at the switch again . When challenge arises to protect our rights as American citizens have been faced with this year ( more verilently than ever before ) we can never afford to think or chance that it won’t continue to lap at our heals – educating and arming ourselves with constitutional bullets will forever be necessary to halt socialism/communism . Our children need to smell it – know it inside and out – stomp it out before it has a chance -and I pray we do not need to suffer at its hand as others in the world who have been subject to its grip have had endure in order to appreciate what freedom means ! Our forefathers knew – the grip of tyranny – whatever mask it wears it is all the same – power/control over human beings through suppression of freedom – stealing of man’s free will to be what he chooses and live and worship how he wishes – CAN WE TAKE A CHANCE – I think not !

  64. And we should call every Democrat who agreed this Health Raping Bill was wrong for our country and thank them for simply believing in what is best for America – forgoing party lines – we need to know who they are – and send a thank you !

  65. A few minute details in the life of Nancy Pelosi —

    About 10 years or so ago she introduced a Congressional resolution in honor of a close friend of hers who had died, Vivian Hallinan.

    Who was Vivian? She was a radical socialist, but also she was Nancy’s mentor.

    It was Vivian’s husband who was the lawyer who had defended Harry Bridges, the president of the Longshoremen’s union.

    Why did Harry need a lawyer? It was discovered that Harry Bridges was a member of the Central Committee of the US Communist Party. Harry Bridges was involved in smuggling Frank Davis, young Obama’s mentor, out of the country to the Territory of Hawaii.

    Of course, not to leave anything undone, there is another Congressional resolution on record entered by Nancy Pelosi lauding Harry Bridges.

    Why did Nancy wear last nigh? When the vote on health care reform was taken?

    Nancy was all decked out in RED.

    Nothing was more fitting!

    Nancy is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is a branch of the Socialists International. Democratic Socialists play the “Communist Internationale” on their website!

    The Democratic Progressive Caucus is made up of these Democratic Socialists, that is, most of whom belong to the DSA.

    Now they have hijacked the Democratic Party!

  66. Islam is a cult – not a religion – it promotes hate,suicide , disrespect for women , homocide for those who disbelieve – this is not of God – it is evil.
    And it has gained protection under the brainwashing technique of political correctness – again another tool to mince words and cowardize
    the human detection discerning of right and wrong .There are no wrongs and you must never offend but you can condone killing because it is part of their faith – commonsense is absent – checked out and mind control is used – you see most people do not want confrontation so they go along to keep peace until they actually believe the lies repeated – lenin said tell a lie long enough and it become truth – no it just becomes
    accepted as truth, its still a lie !!!

  67. There is no such thing as radical Islam.We cannot be stupid about this any longer our civilization is at stake.Islam…all of it is radical and calls for the defeat of any other group in its path. Read the Islamic books.
    Only those who have left it entirely can be considered a safe bet. By renouncing Islam they put their lives in danger and are considered apostates.Penalty: death.
    The apostates can be trusted…noone else.
    Check out Spensor’s new book.
    Infidels Guide to the Koran…join ACT FOR AMERICA.

  68. OT,
    My kids were playing games on the computer when I looked over their shoulder and saw this:

    “President Obama stars in this exciting game in which he defends against a huge alien invasion. Help the President battle the space aliens to save the world.”
    http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/

  69. More info from the book Muslim Mafia.
    (Post 1 of 2)

    It’s rather lengthy, and guaranteed to make your blood shoot out of your eyes.

    The ISNA is a sister organization of CAIR, and is the nucleus for the Muslim Brotherhood. ISNA campus is in Plainfield, Indiana. It is the headquarters of the Islamic Society of North America. Evidently 4 foreign students from a university in Southern Illinois purchased 124 acres there 30 years ago. Even though there were no muslims in sight for hundreds of miles. Since, they’ve built a 42 acre compound complete with a $3.5 million mosque, classrooms, a gym and an 80,000 volume library and a research facility.

    The ISNA was developed as a front for the radical Muslim Brotherhood. FBI, even though they are well aware of the purpose of this compound, says their hands are tied from investigating. Religious institutions are considered off-limits and bank records are the domain of the Treasury Dept.

    It’s been documented that 6 month visitors visas have increased by the thousands over the years. And, we all know the rest of that story…they never left the country.

    “Despite ISNA’s proven ties to terrorism and extremism, politicians in Washington continue to reach out to it, fooled as they are by the front group’s carefully manicured facade of moderation.”

    A top aide to OBAMA this summer (2009) provided a keynote address at ISNA’s national convention in Washington. The senior adviser, VALERIE JARRETT had the dubious distinction of being the first White House official to address ISNA.

    Earlier in the year OBAMA invited ISNA President, Ingrid Mattson – an ex-Catholic convert to Islam – to deliver a prayer at the inaugural National Prayer Service at the National Cathedral.

    Additionally, the Gitmo military chaplain, James “Yousef” Yee, worked ISNA’s table at the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Supposedly Mattson has served to soften ISNA’s image and downplay their operations. She also spoke at a prayer service at the Democratic Nat’l Convention in Denver.

  70. Since both Gov Arnold and Obama have the same citizenship problems maybe the question should be why was Obama picked and not Arnold?
    Postnemail
    “You can’t have a United States president who is a dual citizen.”
    per Heritage Foundation.

  71. Muslim Mafia (post 2 of 2)

    In 2007 the Justice Dept’s civil rights division co-sponsored ISNA’s annual convention in Chicago. Justice officials even manned an information booth at ISNA. The Departments of State, Homeland Security and Defense also set up tables at the ISNA event.

    Most disturbing, the Pentagon put up a job booth to recruit Muslim chaplains and Arabic linguists.

    Islam’s influence is very alarming concerning chaplain recruitment. ISNA maintains a chaplaincy board to recommend Muslim clerics for the military.

    A board member of ISNA Ahmed Alwani is a key Brotherhood figure, trains the Muslim chaplains. In fact, 10 of the Pentagon’s fourteen Muslims chaplains, as well as some of the Fed Bureau of Prisons’ chaplains.

    The Pentagon rejected the Justice Dept’s inspector general’s recommendations to suspend ties to ISNA until the FBI could investigate and allow them to provide aid in screening ISNA and other religious org that certify military chaplains. Is it any wonder the fastest growing religions in the prison system is Muslim?

    Most recently, following a meeting at FBI headquarters with ISNA’s vice pres, FBI Ex. Assistant Director, Tom Harrington, decided to use ISNA as their official point of contact with the American Muslim community.

    Their next target is the Treasury Dept – Wall Street.

  72. Patriot Dreamer

    If the past year has taught us anything, it’s don’t rely on any judges to do anything. And if they do, the process takes years. Our efforts need to be focused elsewhere. We need our own version of Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy. Look at changing politicians at every level, local and state. Look at changing state laws – including state election laws, such as jbjd and d2i have been working on. Full spectrum attacks.

    In the meantime, do what you can to “starve the beast” (minimize the taxes that you pay). There are many ways to do this legally. Try to drive less to save on the taxes that you pay on gas. Try to cook more at home and eat out less. Try barter and favors between friends and neighbors. Here are some more ideas (post #26):

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381469/posts?page=26#26

  73. SueK

    I’m with you! One has to wonder why a Muslim wants to live in the US? They are to hate us so why do we let them in and futhermore, why to we educate them????? There are plenty of US young adults who could use that money for education.

    If I were a Muslim in the US right now, I’d be either leaving or watching my back closely. We will be watching all of them more closely now.

    And as far as the Muslim man that literally ran over and killed his daughter – I mean what did he expect? If she lived and went to school here she is going to be Westernized. If he was unhappy with that, he should have moved back home – Not murder his own daughter. This religion is really hard to fathom, it is so filled with pure evil.

    They need to go Home!!!

  74. About the Senate. My two cents.

    First, someone needs to count the votes on the senate side – yay’s, nay’s, persuadables.

    As we all know, the senate was intentionally designed by our FF to be a more deliberative body. That said, 2/3 are not up for a vote in 2010. The 1/3 that are we should carefully reviewed – voting records, their district make up, voting history, etc. – who are the most vulnerable? This list would be our first set of targets. Who are they???

    So it’s a two-prong strategy – vulnerables in 2010 + persuadables.

    What the House passed last night is an abomination! The Senate MUST kill it and they can if there is cover. Many House D’s lost their jobs last night and they need to know it loud and clear. We might want to take advantage of this small window of opportunity by doing a “YOU’RE FIRED” campaign. The Senators will take notice. Intimidate these H charlatans. Scare the bajeebus out of them.

    The “YOU’RE FIRED” message needs to come from the Tea Party groups NOT Republican groups like WND. Understand, this is not about Party it’s about our Constitution and saving our republic.

    The pink slip campaign was seen as a Republican campaign. The TP campaign must be kept separate. Otherwise, Indy’s like me and countless others will work quietly rather than be affilliated w/either/any party.

    It’s precisely b/c the TP movement was launched by “people” and not a “party” I have attended rally’s and 9/12. We need to work hard to keep the “people’s” movement free from party affilliation.

    Let’s start counting. We knew the House was going to pass this bill. C’mon. Everyone has been saying it. The senate is whole different story which we must work to kill the bill in its entirety. I think we can do it and I believe it’s doable. When do we get started???

  75. Kidmon…they are here to take out the WEST.They are not at all compatible with our ideologies here.We cannot keep importing them and have a country for our kids.Many Americans do not know how to reprogram their generous and tolerant natures to fathom the reality of Islam.We have to see things from their perspective. They do not want to assimilate to our ways.If they did they would be killed by someone in their community.I have no idea how we are going to win this one.

  76. Prairie-Obama is a “space alien”, we are still trying to figure out all the different “space” also called countries here on Earth that the alien is from. It’s so creepy he is like everywhere, which I think is good-people are sick and tired of seeing his Royal Obnoxious-ous everywhere. We are much better off if he stays away from any governmental agency-body. He’s like a one man wrecking crew.

  77. Does the word treason ever apply anymore ????

  78. Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    This is exactly what I mean – just an EVIL RELIGION!

  79. Patriot Dreamer

    d2i, TODAY!

  80. Lets see now if the tea party is for real or just a convenient analogy ………..

    The tea party of 1773 was a tax revolt……..

    Liberty will reign

  81. The comments of the Australian Prime Minister / recently recorded ( from this summer ) need to be recalled here – he specifically addresses Muslim
    issues in the land down under and tells them to leave if they don’t like this land founded in Christian principle – like it or leave he tells them !!

  82. Magna Carta // November 8, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    I see a point coming where they will be targeted.
    Americans will take just so much – and that goes for our government too.

  83. Another reason to prove why America should put God back into our dailey lives.

    Why force change for The Many for only A Few!
    Let the Few leave.

  84. Kidmon-I agree Americans “can take just so much”-The shooting at Fort Hood is the beginning of the end for Obama who decided after all he is Muslin, when he isn’t a convenient Christian. First was 9/11/2001-the American people bent over backward to be the tolerant people that most really are. Fort Hood, Texas nailed again. The government and the media can try to spin this but the American people know what they saw and they do not like it. Government how could we miss so much? because you are stupid or you are corrupt-both? The Media watchdog of said government you are complicit? They have created the conditions that allow any terrorist free reign over unsuspecting victims. 13 innocent people dead thanks to them, many more wounded. We have much work to do to restore not only the Constitution but an intelligent government, with the responsibilities in the hands of competent and caring people-not CZARS.

  85. Concerning the subject of islamic terrorists:

    Islamic terrorists are real and also have their own agenda, however many of them have been used by the dark operations within our own government.

    Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll and also most if not all of the alleged 19 hijackers were also on the CIA payroll.

    Islamic terrorists are the perfect scapgoat when the NWO forces within our own government want them to be. Here’s a perfect example:

    On the very same night of 911, in the wreckage and darkness of the Twin Towers, a wallet was found and was said to belong to one of the hijackers who flew a plane into the towers. Consider how ridiculous this story was, yet it was fed to us by the government, media complex as being truth.

    Everything in those towers were pulverized. There were tons of smoldering debris, and nothing was found whole except the wallet of a hijacker, that went throw the flames, explosions, immense heat and everything else. The wallet I believe also had the pictures of the other hijackers in it.

    When it comes to Islamic terrorist attacks on our soil, it would be wise to investigate if our government was involved in letting the attack happen.

  86. All who voted for this unconstitutional liberty squelching pile of manure have committed treason once again . TREASON

  87. From Free Republic-Interesting I wonder why?
    Pulled on 11/08/2009 8:54:17 AM PST by Admin Moderator, reason:
    No secession threads allowed on FR

  88. c.n.d.e. ville II

    Good on y’all! Feels *just right* to be home at CW blog after several weeks of being offline. Please excuse my lack of response to any responses to my responses awaaaaaaaaay back on, um, I think, yeah, Sept. 28. lol I think I cannot catch up from then, so am just starting on from here.

    *Whatever her shortcomings, Goldilocks, through proactive cognitive processes, chose that which was just right for her, and did not, would not settle for less.

  89. Our honored dead.
    FORT HOOD, Texas – The Army released an official list of the 13 people fatally shot at Fort Hood and said 16 victims were still being treated in hospitals, 9 of them in intensive care units.
    Fort Hood’s Deceased
    The fatal victims of the Fort Hood shooting, as released by the Department of Defense on Saturday.
    * 1. Lt. Col. Juanita Warman, 55, Havre de Grace, Md.
    * 2. Maj. Libardo Caraveo, 52, Woodbridge, Va.
    * 3. Cpt. John P. Gaffaney, 54, San Diego, Calif.
    * 4. Cpt. Russell Seager, 41, Racine, Wis.
    * 5. Staff Sgt. Justin Decrow, 32, Plymouth, Ind.
    * 6. Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29, Kiel, Wis.
    * 7. Spc. Jason Hunt, 22, Tillman, Okla.
    * 8. Spc. Frederick Greene, 29, Mountain City, Tenn.
    * 9. PFC Aaron Nemelka, 19, West Jordan, Utah
    * 10. PFC Michael Pearson, 22, Bolingbrook, Ill.
    * 11. PFC Kham Xiong, 23, St. Paul, Minn.
    * 12. Pvt. Francheska Velez, 21, Chicago, Ill.
    * 13. Michael G. Cahill, Cameron, Texas [civilian]

  90. c.n.d.e. ville II

    I may be way off base, here, but I feel very gloat-ful at the moment, so, may as well go with it, until harsh realities reassert themselves in my thinking.

    Okay, here’s how I read the “abortion amendment paves the way for the (sell-out the citizens, make ‘em pay, Pay, PAY, and when they can no longer, throw them AWAY) bill passage.”

    Glory ! Glory! I believe this is a sick, I mean slick, way of saying: They did not have the votes. They did NOT have the votes to pass this monstrosity of an unconstitutional, tyrannical dictate.

    WE got to them, those legislators, corrupt as they be. They were listening . . . to us. The bill was dead in the House. The bill was going up in flames. The ONLY way they (meaning o. and his death-dealers club) could get the votes was to attach a life-giving caveat STOPPING public funding of abortion.

    Chortle, chortle! Sublime retortle!

    Irregardless of shifty, devious, double-dealing, behind-the-scenes political strategy, the truth stands: in this *historic moment,* the HOUSE has PASSED legislature prohibiting the public funding of abortion. o. the foe, I mean faux, he of the rabid anti-life bent, was compelled to surrender to the protocols of LIFE.

    Glory, indeed!!!

  91. Yep 13 Americans Dead and for what? People let’s get real. It’s now or never. I’m tired of being politically correct – I mean we do have laws! Or we use to!

    What do you think would happen if 1 American went on rampage in Indonesia shooting up their citizens? They sure as hell wouldn’t be treating and trying to save his life. No, they would chop off the head and drag the body thru the streets.
    I’m starting to feel “An eye for an eye”. And I’m sure I’m not the only one feeling this way!

    I do pray to God to take these feelings away, but so far I still have them.

  92. Has this been published in any American newspapers or broadcast on radio and television?

    Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
    Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a “spiritual adviser” to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

    By Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius
    Published: 8:17PM GMT 07 Nov 2009
    Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.
    READ MORE…….
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

  93. NIGHTMARE, AMERICA Today is a NIGHTMARE.

    “Patriot Dreamer // November 8, 2009 at 9:03 am

    Republican Congressman Joe Cao (Louisiana) waited until the Dems. got their minimum 218 votes, and then he voted for it. His vote did not make or break the bill, but I wonder what his district will think.”

    This DOG has teh rigth now Cao is Portuguese means DOG how IRONIC. On ehting is for sure this DOG will be put out to pasture NEXT ELECTION.

    America’s NIGHTMARE is UPON US: We have Terrorists in CONgress and Muslim Terrorists inciting JIHAD on America’s Streets.

    Minutemen where are you? RISE UP STAND UP…take to the streets TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK and stop turning your back on our one great ally from the beginning our One True God.

  94. Investigators have located a shooting range near Fort Hood where Hasan practiced with his FN 5.7 Pistol.

    The standard clip can easily be changed to hold 30 rounds .

    Using this pistol it would be easy for anyone to get off 180 rounds in under one minute.

    The terrorist picked the best place on the post for his attack , large crowd of unarmed people in a closed area .

    Maybe we should call the FBI and CID and ask them why they are covering for this Muslim jihadist……… and dishonoring our military and country.

  95. I am trying to eat here!!!!! Why do I have to see Ovomit gloat?

  96. Here comes the Resident to make another TV Apperance soon. This ought to be good!
    I think I’m gonna puke!

  97. I’ve got $10 that says he takes up for Hasan!

  98. I will say it and I don’t care about PC; I never did. All the muslims need to be deported period. and banned from this country, period. Get rid of all the camps…the red house in northern Va….everywhere these people are with their jihadi camps, shut them down. It may take a few years, but it can be done. Islam is a religion of control, terror and murder. They ALL need to go. There I said it.

  99. Holder will defend Hasan and he’ll get off.

  100. Patriot Dreamer

    Kidmon, when is “Dear Reader” on TV?

  101. Hey live oak…..I second that motion

  102. Well, I’m out $10. The SOB didn’t even mention Fort Hood! Why doesn’t this surprise me?

  103. live oak

    I’m with you! Yesterday isn’t soon enough!

  104. $10 will be butt wiping money when Ovomit and Pelosick get through with us

  105. Kidmon-if he takes up for Hasan he is so done. Immediately all people no matter how deep in denial they are will see him for exactly what he is- a major liar, crook and criminal. The govt and media cannot spin this the people will not fall for it, why it is because it strikes very close to home. I wonder if most people aren’t thinking where will these maniacs strike next, tons of the taxpayers money go into keeping “Americans” safe. Great sucess story Fort Hood is, within our own military at a base. How bright does this government and military look? and they say trust us with an entire nation.
    Someone better come up with much better answers than have been given so far.

  106. I agree with Sandy’s Hubby – Lock n Load

  107. Signs, signs, everywhere signs. . .

  108. UPSTATE WARRIOR…Correct government complicity via immigration policy.We are not discerning who is compatible to be here…we need to DISCRIMINATE.
    When you set up a fish tank…do you put whatever fish you desire in there?or do you ask someone which fish will work well together?
    In Texas there was a case of a muslim doctor who got CAIR to help her fight against the private physician owned healthcare chain about her wearing the burqa.Initially the doctors stood their ground but backed down when the attack-destroy CAIR machine hit.
    They are here to destroy us period.
    Yes…the government is treasonous via political correctness,communism,multiculturalism,abandonment of national security,etc…

  109. Get your passports asap

  110. IGNORE THIS MSM!!! Hassan tells neighbor “going to do God’s work.” before leaving for base. From the UK telegraph, not our MSM.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html

  111. Man…..nows the time to get the politicians to roll the dice and do their own JIHAD!!!!!!!
    Get in front of the cameras and demand FULL DISCLOSURE NOW!!!!!!!!
    Lead the way Nathan Deal!!!!!

  112. You know, I could give a rat’s a$$ about the shooter. I wanna hear how we are going to tackle the Muslim problem in this country!!!!!!

  113. I only care about the truth, no matter how painful it can be, and I meant what I said. I live in the truth. Everybody protect yourselves. Get ready to lock and load!!!!!

    God Bless Our Military and Their Families. I’m heartbroken. How much more abuse will they endure? I’ve asked that for months. I stand with them in defense of my country and I will do so for as long as I live so help me God.

  114. I do not and will not tolerate lies.
    No lying, stealing, cheating or gossip!!!!!!!!!!

  115. Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Hi Prairie,

    I say interrogate the bastid to find out if there was a second shooter then…….pull the plug on him.

  116. SueK

    I’m praying Sen. Leiberman gets an investigation going. He is on the Homeland Security committee and he thinks it was a terrorist attack.

    I’m gonna let him know how I feel about this and the government takeover of Health.

  117. Linda from NY

    Marxist Vermin

    http://www.lamecherry.blogspot.com/

    Blunt, as usual!

  118. Kidmon,
    Join Act for America..they have chapters all over America. They are seeking anwsers to this problem.If they can get high membership numbers they can muscle in on Congress just like the NRA does to protect the second Amendment.Also, Sara Palin is not really hip to the full implications of Islam. She needs help in this area. It came out in her Asia speech. There is not MODERATE ISLAM…the last moderate that was here “creating bridges with the WEST” took off his wife’s head because she wanted a divorce.
    REPEAT AFTER ME…THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM…………..

  119. Can anyone help me with the following questions?

    Are there any other reports on why it was said initially that there were at least 2 or 3 other shooters? What happened to the other people who were arrested, why were they released?

    Was there shooting outside of the buiding as well as inside the building?

    Why were Hassan and the police officer who shot him reported dead at first and then the story changed to they were alive?

  120. I will look into Act for America. Your right if memebership increases so does awareness. I totally agree that there is No Moderate Muslim.

    I still think we and those of like minds need to form our own Union (Like Acorn, SEIU) to combat our politicians and save the Constitution.

    CW could head it up! I know Millions would join!

  121. I hope some of you caught the Fox Sports today which had all their sportcasters in Afghanistan with our troops. It was a pregame special. I have never seen the troops so appreciative of having them there. I hope it is replayed again. The most moving part was the singing of God Bless America in the end. A real tear-jerker.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10307276/FOX-NFL-Sunday-to-host-special-from-Afghanistan

  122. You Decide

    Did the House make the right decision in approving the health care reform bill?

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/08/decide-health-reform-passes/

  123. TO:

    SueK // November 8, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Morning All,

    Just sent a two word note to Niki Tsongas-6th Congressional-MA:

    YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ======================

    What is her info. I want to send her a message also and not only that I am willing to join with you and start a Campaign against her ASAP. We also need to find a Military Conservatiev to run against her. I wonder if Paul Tsongas would agree with that vote or he is turning over in his grave?

  124. Here is a little sample of the Fox Sports for the troops.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=cd30b913-2a54-4827-9fbe-c434a443473d

  125. c.n.d.e. ville II

    More emoting . . .

    And STILL, the (non)bill merely squeaked by. (Most likely, a few yes votes could be discounted for valid legal, ethical and Constitutional reasons, were the likes of such in play here, meaning, were we dealing with law-abiding, ethical legislators intent upon upholding their sworn constitutional oath with their lives, goods, and honor, so help them God, the good Lord.)

    Oh, my gracious Lord, lover and giver of Life! Can we appreciate the magnitude of our victory here?

    Hopefully, those more politically astute than I (which would include children above the age of 11 and not necessarily exclude those under that age) will better articulate all the reasons this *bill* in truth, is a big time failure, politically speaking, for the faux o. and folk of that ilk,

    I cannot stop gloating about some possible (hopefully REAL) positives reverberating from this *historic moment.*

    Those who voted yes to the amendment and yes to the bill are sellouts to constituents on BOTH sides of the issues. (May the dismantlement of their political careers by fed-up voters be swift and complete.)

    The Democrats are officially a ‘house divided,’ and cannot stand. (39!!!!! An impossibility mere months ago. Kudos to the 39!! I doff my hat to you, sirs and ma‘ams.)

    What of the entrenched abortionists, who may or may not perceive the subtleties of the political interplay? Is not subverting the monies of the hard-working and honest to foot the bill for the forced premature termination of the lives of innocent children one of their most cherished *rights*? May they turn on their own, and howl like the hounds of hell.

    That’s just for starters, but I have taken up enough space and shall bow out for a bit.

    Actually, I agree, as others have intimated, that the entire *health reform* deal is now a moot point. However, to me, this situation is so fraught with deliciously rich ironies and the equally delectable anticipation of probable outcomes for the players in this debacle, that I cannot contain my glee.

  126. Video: Sen. Lindsey Graham: “The House (Health Care) Bill is dead on arrival in the Senate”

    Lindsey Graham: Reform “D.O.A.” In Senate, Public Option “A Disaster”

  127. Video: Republican Anh “Joseph” Cao explains vote for Health Care Reform

    Rep. Anh Cao, the only Republican vote for the health care bill, is interviewed on CNN. He declares he voted for the best interest of his district although it was a leap of faith.

  128. LM

    Senator Graham is from my state and I don’t trust anymore! he also thinks Hasan is an isolated incident! He’s also for Cap and Trade. I don’t think he will make next time around in this state. He’s on the Left side of the party.

  129. California Don

    I am already locked and loaded with all of my ammo greased with pig fat. I want to make sure that anyone that I have to hit can not go to “their” heaven.

    I have a very bad feeling about what is coming for this “used to be” great country.

    God Bless America!

  130. The only good thing about Sen. Graham is that he is Pro Military!

  131. SueK,
    You need to run for office, I love your no BS talk.

    I believe that there was more than 1 shooter and that #1 is Hassan and #2 is dead (#3 may still be a possibility). The initial report was they were 3, one dead and two they were looking for. This was the report given by Gov. Perry. The reports started changing on the number of suspects when the FBI showed up.

  132. c.n.d.e – there are many delicious irony’s in last nights vote. To start with the D’s have a 75 seat majority but could only squeak out the vote by two. Sure some of the D’s whose constituencies scared the bajeebus out of them voted no b/c it was safe. But the big story is the D’s were not all over this atrocious bill. They know they will face the voter when they go back home and they asked for cover and got it.

    PD – check out this story from HotAir. They are claiming there are only need two votes to kill it on the senate side. Anybody know who the two are? I think we need more than two to be safe.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/08/is-this-the-high-water-mark-for-obamacare/

    Your thoughts?

  133. d2i,
    Spector is always for sale.

  134. Kidmon

    The only good thing about Sen. Graham is that he is Pro Military

    **********************

    You have to be kidding,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    He’s a fake war veteran……….

    From his old site.

    An Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran, Graham had a distinguished legal career in the United States Air Force.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20020611072807/http://www.house.gov/graham/Biography/biography.htm

    Little weasel Graham the Fake war veteran and RINO……….

  135. Spector is a true political whore. He needs to retire…..so does McCain…so do a lot of them.

  136. DenisetheMenace

    #

    sandy // November 8, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Get your passports asap
    _____________________
    Where would you go? The USA was and actually is THE place to be.
    PS. I read that all passports have microchips inplanted – so it is not like you can “disappear”.

  137. SueK-Linda from NY
    I wonder if we are reading this Fort Hood shooting all wrong. I wonder if the Islamic terrorists are sending a message to our military something like this…We have our guy on top now- Obama-we have infiltrated all of your military and we can attack at will….I only say that due to the beyond insane reporting of national media—for them it is all about
    Hasan-his feelings, he’s upset, life is tough, but barely a mention of the VICTIMS and their families.
    Something wicked this way comes, it will be the old didn’t want to panic the citizenry. Citizens to government we don’t believe anything that comes out of your lying mouths.

  138. Army DAV

    Yes he is a fake war verteran indeed, but he appears to think we need to give the Military what they need to Win and this I agree with!

    I don’t like the man or what he stands for except for the above – give the Military what they need to Win!

  139. sandy // November 8, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Are they TRYING to incite violence?
    Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Sandy,
    I believe o would love nothing more. I am dead serious
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That’s the whole idea…….for many reasons.

  140. Live Oak
    Spector is a true political whore. He needs to retire…..so does McCain…so do a lot of them.
    ***********************************

    Exactly! I don’t care how we stop this bill or if we play nice, we just need to stop it. Spector knows the wind is shifting and will act to save his a$$. Sure we should appeal to the moderates, but a “no vote” from a weasel counts the same.

  141. DenisetheMenace -stick around, a lot of the preparatory work has been done. The government may not realize it but the Fort Hood shooting is going to be the catalyst to break open all the lies. When we take back the government do you think anyone with the stain of corruption will be allowed to go into our newly decontaminated halls of Congress. They know we are on to them and all of their lies, now it is just a matter of time. They were given every opportunity to clean up their act, they chose not to.

  142. Kidmon

    I know , I just like to keep everyone informed , we have no friendlies in the US Government ,NONE.

  143. Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    IGNORE THIS MSM!!! Hassan tells neighbor “going to do God’s work.” before leaving for base. From the UK telegraph, not our MSM.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html
    ==============================

    Why aren’t the OUR media reporting this????????
    Is someone censoring the American Press??????

  144. Prairie “need to stop it”. Yes, keeping our eye on the ball and it never hurts to have “insurance” extra votes to make sure it does not pass.
    The press still reports “while the president remains popular”, what a joke that is—he is not popular. His numbers continue to tank and we must make sure they go even lower.
    Sunday, November 08, 2009 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 (see trends).

  145. It has never been mentioned, that I am aware of, that the shooting occured the week the USS New York was dedicated. Hassan was supposedly fighting a late November deployment. If he truly snapped, it would be after all hope was gone- and why are they now mute on his deployment date?

  146. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: I posted this story a few threads back. While it may not answer all of your questions, it may answer a few…

    War at Home: First Responders Describe Carnage at Fort Hood

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572686,00.html

  147. Jonah

    Why aren’t the OUR media reporting this????????
    Is someone censoring the American Press??

    **********************

    It’s the undocumented usurper , Alibama and the 40 Thieves.

  148. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/us/politics/09casey.html
    Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” labeled the shooting spree “the most destructive terrorist act to be committed on American soil since 9/11” and said that as chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee he intended to investigate Major Hasan’s suspected motives and whether the Army “missed warning signs that should have led them to essentially discharge him.”
    “If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance,” Senator Lieberman said. “He should have been gone.”
    General George Casey Jr., the Army chief of staff, said on Sunday that he was concerned that speculation about the religious beliefs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of killing 12 fellow soldiers and one civilian and wounding 30 0thers in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, could “cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers.”
    I mean does every soldier who shows discontent with the war and every soldier that has had a bad performance report — what are we going to do with those folks?” Sen. Graham said. “At the end of the day, maybe this is just about him. It’s certainly not about his religion, Islam.”
    He added: “To those members of the United States military who are Muslims, thank you for protecting our nation, thank you for standing up against the people who are trying to hijack your religion.”

  149. A group that epouses teaching it is just to kill those who disagree , just to kill because you wear western clothing instead of a blanket , kill because you date men , use yourself as a bomb to kill others – this is not religion it is a huge cult where hatred is fostered . Free will is denied . How can you not recognize a man who practices such idiocies as a terrorist – Hasan did exactly the same as any other terriorist has when acting on the teaching of Islam – in the name of Allah – they murder – their brainwashed belief before country – and this is allowed to coexist in the military – so a solider is standing next to a muslim solider on the battle field and instead of the solider having a loyal buddy with him the muslim turns and kills him instead of the foe –
    we are their foe – they lure us in with their sound to prayer as if they are a spiritual group when this is nothing more than a trap – their souls are trapped by hate and we are the target ( we the infidel- the untrusted ) Odd – all they say is the opposite of truth isn’t it ?!
    They smile to your face as they stab you as you walk away ………. they pretend to be good American citizens all the while they attend their mosques they preach that we are the infidel – while they enjoy our freedom until they decide when the bell rings – to pull the triger – how easy it is to see why so many angry black men/ women have been lured by the liberation theology / like Wright , Farakhan – who feed the need to pay back the evil Christian land America
    It is clear we need to extricate the mind control tactics of fearing offending and TELL THE TRUTH – it is what it is – and Islam is not a religion – IT is a Cult of hate !

  150. Look into MK-ULTRA and how the government
    has used mind-controll techniques for years.
    The shooter spent years studying psychology
    in government institutions. It’s not much of
    a stretch to consider he was part of a mind-
    control type of program.

    Dave, that was the first thing registering in my mind when I read about the disaster!!!

  151. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: Another article describing events…may provide more info for you…

    Events Surrounding Fort Hoot Shooting Rampage Detailed

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572850,00.html

  152. Linda from NY

    Michelle: Good Point…they have a sympathizer in the WH, they are building complexes around the country, pp has invited more of them to the US, they have infiltrated our military, and mosques are under construction everywhere.

    What did you think pp meant by the “winds blowing” and siding with them?

    His speech to the Muslim world was very telling as to whose side he is on!

    They cannot attack us from without, but they can attack us from within.

    A very good friend of mine has told me many times [he is a priest] he believes there will be a Holy War in the future between Christians and Muslims. I told him I will not deny my God to save my life, and that I do not fear them nor do I fear death.

    Peace be with you…Linda

  153. http://www.therightperspective.org/2009/11/01/rudy-bumped-for-michelle-at-world-series/

    Rudy Bumped For Michelle At World Series:

    Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was reported bumped out of his favorite Yankee Stadium seats during the first night of the World Series for First Lady Michelle Obama, reports The New York Post.

    “The White House didn’t want Giuliani to be sitting with Michelle,” a source told the paper. “She was as signed the seats near the dugout and he was moved.”

    Rain during the game prevented Michelle to sit in the seats, which were roped off and left empty during the entire game.

    Rudy bitterly complained during the ACLS that he didn’t get his seats, positioned to the right of the Yankee dugout. But Rudy and wife Judith were back in their seats for Game 2.

  154. Linda from NY-If there is one thing the American people cannot stand it is disloyalty. This could be the catalyst that breaks the Obama lie machine wide open. I imagine all the Judges have TV’s I hope they are able to put two and two together. What makes them think their courtrooms are any safer than a well armed military base? Are they infiltrated too? The American citizens see this act as a declaration of sorts, no one is safe from an enemy in their midst, and if you can’t identify such an enemy you have got to be double stupid.

  155. The ISNA was developed as a front for the radical Muslim Brotherhood. FBI, even though they are well aware of the purpose of this compound, says their hands are tied from investigating. Religious institutions are considered off-limits and bank records are the domain of the Treasury Dept.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    So, it’s time to build new churches and fight big government and not be bothered by FBI???

  156. Linda from NY

    Mutiny in Scrutiny? [Pelosicare DOA at Senate]

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381607/posts

  157. I hear ya JJ!!!

  158. Linda from NY

    Oh really? Hey CW, your buddy’s skeptical!

    Graham: House Bill “D.O.A.” in the Senate

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/08/ftn/main5576519.shtml

  159. Linda from NY-The best way to defeat this horror of a bill…is its the economy stupids ….facts, figures…cost…beaucratic nightmare which adds to the cost…
    hopefully Obama, Pelosi, Reid will all be arrested by then.

  160. sandy // November 8, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I am trying to eat here!!!!! Why do I have to see Ovomit gloat?
    Kidmon // November 8, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Here comes the Resident to make another TV Apperance soon. This ought to be good!
    I think I’m gonna puke!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Easily corrected……..disconnect cable.

  161. Hey Michelle – I like the description double stupid – I’ll be using that – I’m in need of humor – I wish we could develop a cartoon character like fat albert ‘s friend whose lips got in the way when he spoke and make a skit with Socialist Pelosi , robothead , dufus maroo Seg Schultz -Gibbs -there is so much fodder
    and satire has been diminished by what else pc static !
    Did anyone hear Millers discription of robots coat tails – he siad they are like a naked migdetts ! too funny

  162. Linda from NY

    National Strike: Don’t Feed The Pig Day!

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381583/posts

  163. Linda from NY // November 8, 2009 at 2:27 pm
    Upstate Warrior: I posted this story a few threads back. While it may not answer all of your questions, it may answer a few…
    War at Home: First Responders Describe Carnage at Fort Hood
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572686,00.html
    ===============================
    Linda,
    Truly gripping description of the chaotic attack!
    Hasan’s deadly act compares to that of a suicide bomber.

  164. here it is – we need to have the same guts !
    ———————————————————–
    br4avoPrime Minister John Howard –
    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.
    Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’
    ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’ ‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’
    ‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.’
    ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’ ‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
    THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’
    ‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’

  165. Linda from NY

    Tea Party Express II Tour: A Great Day in Texas!

    Lloyd Marcus

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/tea_party_express_ii_tour_a_gr.html

  166. Again I say Bravo Bravo Mr.Howard —–

  167. Hi Peter,

    Here’s Tsongas’ web site:

    http://nikitsongas.com/

    There are already groups organizing in the area to get her out.

    Her husband, she ain’t.

    I’m sure Paul is flipping over in his grave watching down on his moronic wife.

    Ya know, just because the husband/wife is in politics doesn’t mean that the spouse is any good!

    She never would’ve gotten in if Jim Ogonowski (the brother of John, the Captain of AA#11, the first plane to hit the WTC on 9/11) hadn’t screwed up the signatures on his petition.

    I will do *everything* I can to get this woman out of the House and back into her own house.

    (BTW, my ‘You’re Fired’ message to her was in 24-point font 🙂 ).

  168. Don’t suicide bombers shave their head and bodies. Wonder what is in the Hassan’s sink and tub?

  169. I agree with the Don’t Feed the Pig Day but in fact this will hurt many hardworking families who are struggling as it is. I say Don’t Feed the Pig by Not sending in Taxes. Change your # of dependents on W-4 form so that you pay 0 federal $$$ on your paycheck. Put what you normally would pay aside for a later amended return. Don send in tax return in April – Extend until Oct. This is almost a year with no federal taxes paid. Don’t hurt Families – Hurt the Gov.

  170. Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    Hi Prairie,

    Ohhhh…I’m *much* too angry to run for political office! I don’t play. Maybe that would be a good thing, but I wouldn’t wanna get involved in this mess called ‘politics.’

    But, thank you!

    Kittycat’s woman in the field seems to feel that there was another shooter. I would agree. Maybe more. Do you think we’ll get a straight answer from the FBI?

  171. Linda from NY-good idea Don’t feed the pig day. I like boycotts they work. Does anyone have a list of Muslim owned companies that I can boycott? I’m sick of them killing my fellow Americans, why should I give them 1 penny of tribute? When you think about Officer Munley, taking her car in for repair-she would not have even been there. Thank God she took extra training or she wouldn’t not have saved as many lives as she did. I think many were hurt by bullets ricocheting too and he used some serious ammo. No doubt in my mind he knew exactly what he was doing and had it planned for quite awhile.

  172. Jacqlyn Smith

    A MUST WATCH……..If you have doubts this may change your mind.

  173. Michelle

    Great Idea – Boycott Muslim Businesses EveryDay. That basically means convenience stores, hotels, restaurants. I can do that!

    Boycott Fed. Gov. – Delay Taxes!

  174. SueK,
    Our only hope to find the truth is that there are 170 witnesses. That is a lot of mouths to keep quiet.

  175. SueK

    I’m much like you! I couldn’t play the political game either. I once thought about running but my husband said I wouldn’t make it a month! Someone would asassinate me! HA!

  176. Top 10 Recipients of Arab-Muslim Cash:

    Rep Nick Rahall -D/WVA
    Rep Jim Moran – Dem/WVA
    Rep Darrell Issa – R/Ga
    Rep John Conyers – D/MI
    Rep Dennis Kucinich – D/OH
    Rep Jesse Jackson Jr – D/IL
    Rep Barbara Lee – D/CA
    Rep John Dingell – D/MI
    Rep Carolyn Kilpatrick – D/MI
    Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee – D/TX
    Rep Jim McDermott – D/WA

    There are many more names in Congress you’d recognize listed as CAIR appeasers besides the top ten above.

    According to the FBI, Rep Keith Ellison – Minn Dem is tight with the Executive Director of CAIR, Nihad Awad. They attended university together.

    Ellison was the first Muslim congressman that insisted on taking the oath on the Quran. He converted to orthodox Sunni Islam after following Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam.

    He won reelection on the strength of the Somali vote in Minneapolis. He has urged Somalis to organize themselves into a powerful political and economic coalition to help fend off FBI investigations.

    WORTH NOTING: members of Congress are not required to undergo FBI background checks before gaining access to classified information.

    At a 2008 Capitol “juma” (Friday prayer), Ellison prophesied that Muslims will soon see many more Muslims in Congress. He envisions a Muslim Caucus to rival the Black Caucus.

    snipped from:
    Muslim Mafia

  177. Linda.
    Perhaps Graham is paying attention to the outrage against the bill and him.
    He had better pay attention.

  178. JustMe,
    Interesting information, thank you. Now to find out how many have infilitrated the media.

  179. Senator Graham you are double stupid !

  180. Kidmon-I never go to convenience stores anyway. There is a 7/11 down the street from my house, I stopped in to get a paper and when I saw how filthy it was-no way should anyone ever eat in that place. I did waitress work to put myself through college and we worked all day to keep the establishment clean. Hot water, soap and bleach-how hard is that?
    This place had a layer of grease and dirt so thick you would need a shovel to clean it. No excuse for filth like that-none-it means lazy and potentially dangerous for patrons. My rule of thumb if you go into a food establishment and the floor is dirty it is a good sign they don’t care about cleanliness. Only patronize food establishments that keep their environments clean sure beats a trip to the hospital with ptomaine.

  181. We need a Constitution Caucas!!!!!!!!

  182. Linda from NY

    CW: I don’t trust him for a NY minute! You know he is “southern slime” who would sell his soul for a vote. He must be worried about his seat [isn’t he running in 2010?] so he’s talking out of both sides of his mouth, playing both sides against the middle, and trying to act like a power player. RINO…IMHO

    Keeping an eye on this guy; am sure you are, too!

  183. Linda from NY

    Who lost NY 23 for the GOP?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/who_lost_the_ny_23rd_district.html

    Sad to say I agree, but I still think Owens had help from ACORN and absentee ballots.

  184. Hello all, Very interested in holding out taxes and not paying ANY until things change. What do you do about employee FICA and you have to meet and match all employees SS. I will talk to my CPA and work something out so the Gov. will not get any for a long,long time. This is a great idea. God bless

  185. At this point i just want Pelosi DEAD

  186. Don’t see any way to avoid SS and Medicare taxes. I would pay them. Have employees change their W-4 form to 8-10 dependents and then there would be O fed tax due. I guess it’s up to you as to what to do with the state. I personally will continue to withhold the normal state. I will extend Taxes 4/15/10 until October 2010. That’s almost a year with not Federal Taxes paid! There will be penalty & int. but if it worked, it’d be money well spent!

  187. Count me out on withholding taxes,,,,,,, LOL

  188. Coptic Orthodox Priest ” The West Will Learn About Muslims, Sorry To Say It’ll Be To Late.”

    Muslims Pretend to Be Nice People

    Father Zakaria Botros, Coptic Orthodox Priest. Father Zakaria Botros has just been named World Magazine’s 2008 “Daniel of the Year,” something of a Christian equivalent to Time Magazine’s “Man of the Year.” I first wrote about the elusive Fr Zakaria here. The unedited World Magazine article is long but well worth the read, as it has many details — such as the fact that each of Botros’ weekly episodes are watched by nearly 60 million Arabic-speakers, the vast majority of which are Muslim. The man has a 60 million dollar bounty on his head from the Islamic Countries, more than Osama Bin Laden.

    This is a great one, on the Michael Coren Show.

    Muslims pretend to be nice people..so jarring to Canadian ears. They say they are very peaceful and what are you saying? Naive! Is every Muslim like this? Every true Muslim is like that. A moderate Muslim is polite. When their Islam prevolves, all of them will become true Muslims and follow that strategy. We know them, we lived among them for 14 centuries. The Western people never lived with them, just only see the peaceful way, but one day will come when it will be too late. Freedom of speech is great isnt it! Truth hurts. Jesus Christ is good, Look to me and be saved all you ends of the earth, for I am God and there is no other. The Middle East is in chaos, Europe is in trouble. North America is the final battle. Israel is a great friend, Obama needs to understand this. The Bible over the Koran, Quran.

  189. Jacqlyn Smith -I watched the Obama-I am a salesman for Mulim video again, it changes in light of the-horror at Fort Hood. Now I’m curious, how much of this was known prior to the election? I doubt very much. I just remember him having hissy fits over the word Hussein and references to Muslim, seemed like a lot was done to hide this. Do we the people have a remedy in the Constitution re: the alien and sedition acts, since Americans seem to be target practice for the Muslims. Three strikes and you’re out. 9/11 was 1, Fort Hood was 2, do we really have to go to 3 and what about to insure the domestic tranquillity provisions?

  190. Abuhena Saifulislam, served as the first Muslim chaplain at Gitmo, and created the first mosque in Marine Corps history at Marine headquarters in Quantico, Virginia.

    WTH?! Did anyone here know this?

    I’m telling this book will make blood shoot out of your eyes!!!!!!! EVERY single page is chocked full of critical information.

  191. JustMe

    Are you talking about the “Muslim Mafia” book?

  192. Linda from NY

    Happiness.
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    Sunday, November 8, 2009

    GOP Sell Out Cao “Don’t tell the Republicans, but I might be a closet Democrat,”

    http://ceciliatrentopines.blogspot.com/2009/11/gop-sell-out-cao-dont-tell-republicans.html

  193. Kidmon,

    yes I am. Have you read it?

    Forget the Christmas Sweater, this should be at the top of everyone’s reading list. There is a LOT of documented information in here about our government’s involvement – including Congress – and it names names.

  194. Prairie // November 8, 2009 at 11:52 am
    MUST READ post #11- in depth and great detail on all of o’s ss#’s.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381537/posts#comment
    =================================================
    Prairie,
    The Free Republic article stated “Even more so, despite Obama’s boast of his grandfather’s military service, there’s no record of that either”. The article originated from http://www.westernjournalism.com). I have record of Stanley Dunham’s WWII military service but I can’t locate an email address on that site in order to respond. Anyone have an email address for westernjournalism.com?

  195. See comment/question and important reply by Orly Taitz:

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5914

    1.Jack
    November 8th, 2009 @ 3:34 pm
    “Why can’t Orly re-file the case with Judge Carter and only ask the Alan Keyes be given a token monetary award like $1 or some other nominal figure?

    The Judge seemed to think that Keyes had standing but the he could not give them what they were asking for (removing Obama from the presidency)if they were proven correct about their claims.

    They only need the information. The outcome of that information would take care of itself.”

    1.dr_taitz@yahoo.com
    November 8th, 2009 @ 3:36 pm
    we are working on it, but keep in mind that this abusive regime is pressuring judges to retaliate against me and silence me in any way possible

  196. The jihad war of the muslims will never end for them until they control the world. It is the ancient war of the two sons of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Ishmael the son of the bond woman Hagar, and Isaac the son Sarah and Abraham the son of promise. Ishmael and Hagar were cast out by Abraham, thus the beginning of the muslims, and their god allah. Isaac the son of freedom and promise the Jews and our God Jehovah. The muslims do the jihad war because they want their god allah to rule over the world. So, it boils down to whose god will rule? allah the god of bondage or the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the one the true and the Living God? Muslims will get in any way they can and will kill as many infidels as they can. It is a takeover plot so allah can rule. The only thing muslims like to kill more than Americans are Jews.

  197. Linda from NY

    Jacqlyn: This one’s for you! And Sarah’s fans, too!

    The Pelosi Bill Was Rammed Through on Saturday, But Sunday’s Coming

    http://feeds.feedburner.com/SarahPalinsFacebookNotes

  198. JustMe // November 8, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Top 10 Recipients of Arab-Muslim Cash:

    Rep Nick Rahall -D/WVA
    Rep Jim Moran – Dem/WVA
    Rep Darrell Issa – R/Ga
    ———————————————————-
    JustMe – I just found out Issa is the richest congressmen on the hill(excuse me-PILE)

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091106/us_nm/us_usa_government_wealth_1

  199. JustMe

    I have seen this book advertised but have not gotten it yet. Is it available in bookstores?
    Sounds like a Must Read!

  200. Carmen,

    you are correct. At least according to what I’m reading now.

    Here are a couple of quotes from the book that confirm your post.

    Their goal is to turn the U.S. into an Islamic state. They must exercise patience – even if they have to wait a hundred years.

    …”if we are outside this country we can say…”Oh Allah, destroy America”…”once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it from within.”

    “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Quran should be the highest authority in America.”

  201. Kidmon,

    it should be out in stores.

    I ordered mine from Amazon the day after I heard the author interviewed on Michael Savage’s show.

    It is a must read! I believe it explains a lot that hasn’t made much sense.

  202. carmen

    In the end ,they want to destroy the world, bring about Armageddon, then their prophet will return .

    This is why the Ayatollah of Iran needs the nukes, to fulfill the prophecy.

    Imanutjob is just the tool……..

  203. Ms. Helga,

    unbelievable, isn’t it?!

    I’m beginning to think the illegal Hispanics are the least of our worries.

    I also heard last year 33,000 Communist Chinese were rounded up and deported. Those are the ones they found. How many more remain? Many are coming in on shipping containers that go unchecked. Wouldn’t take long at this rate to take over the country.

  204. A FEEL GOOD STORY: Redskins Cheerleader on Road to Recovery.

    Here’s an article about her treatment. Looks like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey stepped in and helped point her in the right direction through Generation Rescue.

    I posted an audio interview earlier on the previous thread with the physician that treated her.

    http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/11/07/desiree-jennings-on-the-road-to-recovery/

  205. Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Hi Michelle,

    Catching up.

    Not sure what the reasoning was for the attack. I can tell you that Al Qaeda, Taliban forces, and even Hamas are here-they’ve been here for some time.

    With only 100 or so Muslims in the military, you’ve gotta look at the bigger picture, i.e., was this an isolated act, or is there some cell backing it?

    The reports of a second, maybe a third shooter, feeds right into the cell theory however, we may never know. Hasan was under surveillance. My question is how the hell long were they gonna ‘surveil’ until they did something about this murderer? His ‘troubling’ conversations and Muslin garb pretty much told you what he was planning plus, the morning of the attack he told a neighbor he was ‘going to do God’s work.’ That alone would’ve been worth a 911 call on my end if I were the neighbor.

    I suppose it’s the same thing with a dangerous intersection near your home; they won’t put up a traffic light until some kid on a bike gets killed.

    Let’s hope this isn’t the thinking, here. We have multiple deaths and many more wounded. What the hell were they waiting for?

  206. Are we really this damn dumb as a Society? This guy tries to sell a 1oz gold coin worth $1100.00 for $5, $10, $50, and even tries to give it away for free, and these people are running from him like he has the Bubonic Plague.

  207. The South,

    unfortunately we are.

    I saw that earlier and couldn’t believe it. But, hey how ’bout those Cowboys?

  208. Linda from NY

    Watch Out, you Conservative Extremists! Janet’s on the warpath!

    Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j8GOiUlCCnhCsRp1Xvs94KDJh8owD9BR9GPG0

  209. Linda from NY // November 8, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Yeah, like anyone’s going to listen to that Galoot!
    She’s part of the problem!

  210. Linda from NY

    Democrats Face Electoral Backlash After Health Care Vote, Top Republican Warns

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381553/posts

    Ya think?

  211. Linda from NY // November 8, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Old fart.

    (Not you, Linda…Napoleon Napolitano)

  212. Venice,

    just checking on you? I know this was a physically and emotionally draining situation. I also know you worked tirelessly to move & support people here and elsewhere to stand strong on this issue. That was a victory despite the defeat.

    Sadly, there’s a bigger fight ahead of us.

  213. Jack (and Everyone),

    Mr. Keyes cannot sue for nominal damages in a case where he is unable even to plead the necessary elements of the tort. That is, he cannot establish injury.

    Stop fixating on the judicial gymnastics of birther attorneys; apparently, they know as little about the ‘system’ as you do. Indeed, notwithstanding the many hyperbolic rants from the losing counsel in any of these cases, the caliber of the bench is not reflected in these losses but rather, the caliber of the bar.

    It seems only logical to me that if any of these people cared more about the country than the industry they have hatched by appearing to search for ways to ‘out’ BO as Constitutionally unqualified for the job; they would encourage individual citizens to empower themselves out of this mess, and not to act as blind groupies for one of their causes versus another.

    Phil Berg was even too caught up in bringing the ‘winning’ case to appreciate what damning evidence he had inadvertently managed to obtain in January 2009 while losing Hollister, when BO and his attorney, Bob Bauer, (rumored to be the next WH Counsel) submitted their Motion to Dismiss. Because in a footnote in that Motion, BO and Mr. Bauer asked a federal judge to take judicial notice of phantom images on computer screens (to authenticate he is for real).

    Do you suppose I am the only person who noticed this incredible admission in BO’s footnote, 11 (eleven) months ago now? Or am I just the only person honest enough to point this out? Because by acknowledging the fact, the strongest evidence BO could produce in federal court of his authenticity consisted of images on a computer screen – and I had been saying this since June 2008 when BO posted his “Fight the Smears” web site – I ended any speculation as to whether he was ‘for real.’ And this meant, pursuing random social security numbers; or specious ‘Kenyan’ documents; or quo warranto (instead of Articles of Impeachment), in an attempt to establish, he was not qualified, was a waste of time. So, why did people continue spend their time and other people’s money chasing these specious ‘leads’?

    Want to ‘expose’ BO? First, make sure you understand the steps taken BEFORE the primary to ensure he would take the D nomination; and learn how the D’s were forced to ratchet up the fraud when HRC did not drop out of the race as planned.

    For example, if you still cannot detail what role the vote binding states played in forcing Chairwoman Pelosi to eliminate the floor roll call vote at the Convention, you have a lot more learning to do.

    At least LISTEN while I lay out the story of the fraud, at
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drkate/2009/10/29/Revolution-Radio-Witness-to-Election-Fraud

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drkate/2009/11/05/Revolution-Radio-Witness-to-Election-Fraud-Part-II

    I advise more serious minded patriots to read my blog.

  214. JustMe,

    Came off the blog just before you posted @11:14 am. and missed the radio broadcast. Can you summarize the gist of what was important? I’d be interested.

  215. Linda from NY

    Sue K: Thanks for clearing that up! LOL

    How ya feeling klutzy? Everything organically fixed?

    Time to rubberize the walls and floors, no?

    Peace…Linda

  216. Anyone here a Pig Farmer?

    This is how we wil have to Combat this JIHAD Plague in our Streets, seeing that there will be no RIOTS against these MURDERING PIGS.

  217. Linda from NY, thanks for the links.

    I found the following links which among them mention that there were more than 1 shooter according to witnesses, and that the shootings took place not only at the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center but also at the Howze Theater.

    http://chattahbox.com/us/2009/11/05/mass-shooting-at-fort-hood-texas-12-dead-31-wounded/

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihGepAkECGoDagETVBMpPb3w7Y3gD9BPK9700

    In the following video of Governor Rick Perry saying how there were 3 shooters, there is a map that comes up showing the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and the Howze theater. Where the 2 buildings appear, Hassan would have had to leave one building, go outside and walk about a block, then enter the other building. What I find interesting is that the 2nd link you sent me describing the events of the Fort Hood shooting, only describes Hassan coming out of the Readiness Center and getting shot after hiding behind a telephone pole. He never made it to the Howze theater. The early reports of what happened at Fort Hood are quite different than the final report that is being given to us.

    Here’s an article saying how Lt. Gen. Robert Cone reported at 5pm on the day of the shooting that the suspected shooter was dead. Then at an 8pm briefing he says the shooter is alive. I have no idea why the General’s story changed so dramatically.

    http://www.news8austin.com/content/fort_hood_shooting/?SecID=636&ArID=257844

    Seems to me that there is a lot of coverups going on at Fort Hood.

  218. Linda from NY

    Oh, Boy! the list on free republic…Do I have some scoop for you on Gerry Connolly from the Muslim Mafia book. You won’t (or maybe you will) believe it.

    Will gather my thoughts and post in a few. His name was the only one that stuck out, but I’ll check the list again.

    Teaser: He accepted thousands in donations from Saudi bagmen – including some whose homes and offices were raided after 9/11 for financing terror.

  219. Linda from NY // November 8, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Hi Linda,

    I call ’em as I see ’em.

    Still sore…gonna soak. Am thinking of installing a railing for that set of stairs-something to hold on to in case my feet don’t work again.

    Actually, I’d like my whole house done in memory foam…

  220. Hi Peter,

    OK. Good. We need to hook up.

    Let me do some research and see if I can find this group who’s tying to send Niki Tickets back to the kitchen. I’m in the area.

    I’ll tackle this on Monday…bunny thought my ethernet cable was a big, juicy vine, so I’m on (impossible) dial up tonight. Tomorrow’s the day!

    Will post what I get.

  221. Venice,

    Let me try to gather my thoughts on what he said. He is quite knowledgeable on many fronts and I am still learning “how” to listen to him.

    Truthfully, it was really a depressing reality to hear from him. Of course the bill, as we know it, is NOTHING like the yahoos extolled with their pathetic performance of passionate pleas for their constituents and family members in front of the cameras.

    I’ll see what I can do.

  222. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: I can understand your confusion; I, too, had difficulty keeping up with the “changing” reports.

    I initially heard there were three shooters; one was killed, two were in custody. The map behind Governor Perry shows two theaters. Initial reports said Hasan was killed, but the eyewitness account by Todd said they determined he had not died before they took him in the ambulance if I remember correctly. And yet, someone [not an eye witness] reported he was killed.

    I wonder if anyone identified which of those the deceased was one of the alleged “shooters.” By the time Coon spoke in the press conference, he said Hasan was the lone shooter. Prior to his press conference, I had heard the two that were arrested were released.

    Something is not right, I agree. Wonder if they thought people would have more sympathy for a lone shooter who happened to be a practicing Muslim than three “jihad-crazed Muslims?”

    The sympathy articles made me sick! I did not know PTSD was contagious!

    Please let me know if you find an additional information, and thanks for what you provided to enhance mine.

  223. jbjd // November 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Great work as usual,,,,, but it still leaves us with the same problem, no one to prosecute the case.

    Am I missing something.?.

  224. Anyone a Pig Farmer or Know a Pig Farmer especially in the NY Area?

  225. Fort Hood jihadist’s coworkers saw warning signs, but said nothing for fear of seeming bigoted.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

  226. Venice,

    try this.

    feed://www.republicbroadcasting.org/podcasts.active.php?programID=20
    It’s the top two podcasts – 11.08.01 & 02

    I think it should work. Please let me know if it does or doesn’t. I’m kinda circumventing the log in process.

  227. ARMY D.A.V.,

    Yes; no one needs to prosecute except the state prosecutor, which is, the AG! This is a state election fraud problem. Citizens report the fraud to the chief law enforcement official in the state; s/he investigates and prosecutes. BUT IN THE MEANTIME…

    Do you know whether your state has any laws that were broken, like in TX, GA, MD, SC, VA, and HI, the states we know of so far with laws that require the name of the candidate printed on the ballot to be eligible for the job? If you are in a state with such laws, tell me, and I will draft a complaint for you, too.

    Also, send copies of these well-documented complaints of election fraud to your Congresspeople, regardless of the state. Given that there is no basis in the public record on which any of the D’s who Certified BO’s Nomination could have ascertained he is Constitutionally qualified for the job; on what basis did Congress ratify the EC vote?

    Do not let anyone rest on this. The President’s lawyers were cynically asking the federal court to take judicial notice of phantom computer images to establish his credentials for POTUS, at the same time our federal legislators were assuring us, he was for real because APFC said so. How dare they trade on our trust and ignorance! They are supposed to do better on our behalf.

  228. jbjd, you say: “Mr. Keyes cannot sue for nominal damages in a case where he is unable even to plead the necessary elements of the tort. That is, he cannot establish injury.”

    You are incorrect in saying both (1) Keyes can’t plead the necessary elements of tort and (2) he can’t establish injury.

    Stand by to see how Team Orly does this!

  229. PRWH

    Do you want attack pigs , I know of a farmer who has one. They’ll send those Jihadists to the hills.

  230. Jack // November 8, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Evening, Jack,

    Thanks for asking Orly your questions-I was thinking along the same lines and I will not verbally castrate you for asking what may be on others’ minds, too.

    Let’s see how she approaches it. For all the legal maneuvering Orly, although unconventional in her methods, continues to push the envelope; she’s like the Energizer Bunny.

    Am hoping that something will eventually stick; this nightmare *has* to end.

  231. “Do you want attack pigs , I know of a farmer who has one. They’ll send those Jihadists to the hills.”

    Well, take them and let them loose in a CAIR building.

  232. Jack,

    The illogic of your statement is palpable. That is, you are bragging Orly can establish a viable means to sue BO for damages out of which suit will emerge proof he is Constitutionally unqualified for the job, means which, for the past year, she has refrained from exercising for some reason or other.

    More than a year ago, I said, the way to keep BO out of the WH is to keep him off the ballot. Now, the only way to get him out of there is to attack the same ballot.

  233. JBJD

    The place were I belong……

    Almost heaven West Virginia, blue ridge mountains, Shenandoah river, mountain moma.

  234. jbjd, my intention is not to brag for Orly, merely to say I don’t have the time, energy or inclination to explain — so just wait for Orly’s filings.

  235. ARMY D.A.V.

    Ever go to Harpers Ferry ?

    Charlestown Raceway ?

  236. …and anyway, you misstate the relationship between Keyes’ tort suit and what needs to follow…

  237. TO:
    ARMY D.A.V. // November 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    PRWH

    Do you want attack pigs , I know of a farmer who has one. They’ll send those Jihadists to the hills.


    =======================

    From this day forward we have to be Ready and Vigilant when these Muslim Jihad Pigs EVER do another Display like they did on that Video from the Muslim Revolution we bring a truck load of pigs to the area and let them play Jihad Together.

  238. Richard

    Yes,sir been all over mountains from Chester to Hico and the rapids of the New River.

  239. John Charlton,

    You’re on target.

  240. Peter,

    Just buy a few pounds of sliced bacon and a slingshot…

  241. Jack,

    You steal precious attention away from what works, with tripe like, ‘Wait and see what Orly has up her sleeve…’

    What do you suppose would happen if everyone involved with trying to ‘out’ BO proclaimed at every public opportunity: ‘Bob Bauer actually asked the federal court to take judicial notice of a phantom image on a computer screen of what he called a “newspaper birth announcement” so he could then bamboozle us with his client’s authenticity. Is it any wonder he didn’t bother to tell the court the name of that so-called publication, let alone produce hard copy evidence of such claims?’

  242. ARMY D.A.V.,

    Do WV laws require the name of the candidate on the ballot to be eligible for the job?

  243. ARMY D.A.V.

    Fished for small mouth bass all over the Shenandoah River while canoeing from Luray Virginia. About a six hour trip down the river, nothing like it anywhere, the quietness, the sound of the water, the sight of the mountains as you look over your shoulder and see the ascending mountains. Shenandoah River Outfitters, i believe it was called.

  244. jbjd, what???? (where’s the analogy, relevance with what you say?)

  245. John Charlton

    Heavy drug use , Indonesian Muslim background, mental illness , ignorant , criminal background and life style, anti American , cognitive disorder , low IQ, stuck on stupid ,etc.

  246. jbjd //

    Not sure , I’ll have to look it up.

  247. Perhaps shedding light on HI exemption in the house bill would bring some much needed attention to HI officials and o’s “birth” place.
    http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20091106/NEWS15/911060371/Exemption+in+House+bill+shields+Isle+health+care+law

  248. SueK-as usual I agree with you. We have an active cell somewhere near here and it is monitored.
    What I’m worried about is the friends and family of those killed at Fort Hood what if this is when all the Obama ineligible information is released. Not only would those families be grieving but they would find out their government betrayed them also, having information available to them long before the last election. Possibly a friend or relative pointed this information out to them already. This last horror-preventable as you so correctly pointed out and what’s with this surveillance?

  249. Richard, that sounds so nice going down the river and fishing. I’ve never seen the Shenandoah River before or the mountains there, but I have heard how beautiful it is. Right now it would be wonderful and to be able to put all this US political crap out of one’s mind for a little while.

    And did you catch some good fish? It’s been years since I’ve been fishing.

  250. I don’t know what’s happening, but I was trying to post something and it said that I had a duplicate comment, which I didn’t. This crazy thing.

  251. A portion of Lame Cherry’s new piece:

    If you do not think the criminal lawsuit nor Mr. Obama is responsible for this, Mr. Obama was caught commenting that it was diversity in Fort Hood which he was championing.
    Diversity is not unity. It is the fractionalization of a human which is what Nidal Hasan was at war within himself.
    Mr. Obama just handed the a trial lawyer the trillion dollar victory in court for United States Soldiers in the Fort Hood murder rampage in the Medicine Hat News.

  252. State Worker Beat Up At SEIU Meeting

    SACRAMENTO (CBS13) A state worker is recovering aftera bloody brawl at a union hall. He says members of the local SEIU 1000 beat him up and sent him to the hospital all because he wanted to expose allegedl corruption within the union.

    http://cbs13.com/local/hamidi.seiu.beating.2.1297874.html

  253. CIVIL RIGHTS is a FARSE and a favorite weapon if ANTI-AMERICAN Factions, especially blacks, homosexuals and NOW Jihadis. CIVIL RIGHTS needs to be eradicated and outlawed.

    INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS are the only thing Sensible and Constitutional.

    There is no Black Soldier or Muslim soldier, etc. ONLY AMERICAN SOLDIER.

  254. Everybody…………………………………

    Slowly but surely we are losing our RIGHTS as citizens of the US. This is the most serious situation of all so far. The US alleged government has now mandated that you can be put in jail for refusing to comply with the order that YOU MUST BUY HEALTHCARE, or face FINE AND POSSIBLE PRISON. Now go and read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If you let the alleged Government ram this down your throat you deserve everything that happens forthwith.

  255. I think it would be wonderful for all to refuse to pay their taxes in this matter. Thing is, it would take a whole lot of Americans to do this, OS77.

    What I’m saying is that if millions and millions of Americans didn’t pay their taxes, what are they going to do, arrest them all?

  256. Venice, et al

    here’s a couple of websites you may be interested in that goes into some detail about the Comparative Effectiveness that IS the healthcare bill that was just passed The House. You didn’t hear this in any of the passionate pleas yesterday on C-spam. I’m formulating an analogy of comparison and will post in a few.

    Click to access compefflongart.pdf

    USA Today article:
    http://health.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/18/comparative-effectiveness-is-obama-really-calling-for-rationing_print.htm

  257. kittycat

    ” refuse to pay their taxes ”

    I haven’t paid my house ,county,city, state , federal tax , auto license plates, hunting license for the last ten years….hope that helps.

  258. Linda from NY

    CONGRESSMAN JOE WILSON TO HEAD GIANT TEA PARTY EXPRESS RALLY – TUESDAY, NOV. 10TH – 3:30 PM (SC)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news
    /2381679/posts

  259. ARMY D.A.V. // November 8, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    How do you manage to do this?

  260. kittycat // November 8, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I think it would be wonderful for all to refuse to pay their taxes in this matter. Thing is, it would take a whole lot of Americans to do this, OS77.

    What I’m saying is that if millions and millions of Americans didn’t pay their taxes, what are they going to do, arrest them all?
    ———————————————————

    The legal way would be to call a Tax boycott day.

    On April 15th just don’t do or buy anything that a tax or fee can be collected on.

    I’m not sure how much an effect that would have but these Governments count on those daily taxes.

  261. A.R.M.Y.DAV-are you trying to say that you have an army of greased pigs ready to go to all of the Mosques in the US. Let them run around in there and there by make the Mosque inoperable, without firing a shot?

  262. SueK-you need to get a railing in there it’s important.

  263. Linda from NY // November 8, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Where is this tea party at?

  264. Kidmon

    Retired disabled veteran …..

  265. Michelle

    ROTFLMAO………………. no that was PRWH idea.

  266. SueK-man you fight dirty a couple of pounds of bacon and a slingshot? I’m laughing so hard I can hardly type. You are so bad, you diabolical little street freedom fighter American girl.

  267. Linda from NY

    Obama may well have committed social security # fraud…does it matter?

    http://www.freerepublic.com/
    tag/by:cycleofdiscernment/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

    (From Orly Taitz’ declaration of November 7 2009)

    “13. As of now I am the only attorney with the courage, integrity and strength of character to not only bring forward information of Mr. Barack Obama not being eligible for the office of the presidency, but I am also to submit to court information from two licensed investigators, showing that Mr. Obama has used 39 different social security numbers according to national databases, including social security numbers of deceased individuals.

    14. I am bringing forward evidence showing that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, sitting president, is guilty of multiple felonies, for which he might need to spend the rest of his life in prison.”

  268. The only way a tax revolt will work, is if you start it at a neighborhood/community level.

    You will have to get 25-50 people in your neighborhood to STAND FIRM and get some local news coverage.

    If a small community STANDS THEIR GROUND, it will embolden the larger community known as the United States.

    The problem is when ‘one person’ does it, the Feds swoop in and arrest them, and they make sure it gets TV exposure, which in turn, puts fear in the rest of the people. They make an example out of one to control many.

    That psychology needs to be reversed.

    Get a small group in your neighborhood to stand with each other. This will give others the strength to stand up too. As the numbers grow, and local news starts covering the story, other neighborhood communities around the country start to follow.

  269. All this “hog” talk got me thinking. Could we make a freedom of info act for the white house menu log. I wonder if o’s been having any bacon or chops?

  270. ARMY D.A.V. was does ROTFLMAO mean? Sorry I like Peter’s idea.

  271. THIS IS WHAT WAS VOTED ON LAST NIGHT THAT YOU DIDN’T HEAR!

    Here’s an analogy of Comparative Effectiveness as it relates to the rationing of our healthcare. (see my post @ 9:02 for an explanation of what this is – it’s important that we all understand this formula that will determine rationing)

    You have a young buck that’s perfectly ambulatory, who’s been on welfare for the last ten years and he has an illness/accident/serious disease that requires medical care & could possibly benefit from new therapies. Based on his comparative effectiveness NUMBERS, which may be high for the reasons listed, he gets the nod for treatment, procedure, medication, medical equipment (ex: wheelchair), etc.

    Compare this to someone who is more elderly, that has worked their entire life, paid into the system who is now partially disabled and in need of medical treatment/medication/medical equipment (ex: wheelchair). All of these factors count as points against him, and is shown as someone who would most likely be denied treatment/equipment/medication based on his NUMBERS (read usefulness).

    Now add to these “NUMBERS,” the numbers of his carbon foot print and you begin to see the REAL picture of our future.

    This is why the push for the healthcare bill to pass BEFORE the Copenhagen mtg. in December.

    THIS BILL MUST NOT PASS!

  272. DenisetheMenace

    Michelle,
    It means
    Roll
    On
    The
    Floor
    Laughing
    My
    A**
    Off
    (It explains itself!)

  273. Peter Francisco-I agree we are American citizens or we are not. If I had to hyphenate all the countries (that I know of) in my family background I would have at least 10 for starters.

  274. Army Dav

    Well that’s one way!

    Thank you for your Service and Honor!!!

    Sorry, I was not aware of this fact. Kinda New here!

  275. Denise the Menace-I’ve seen it on many occasions but I always forgot to ask.

  276. We need to find a brilliant Constitutional lawyer, who is well known for sound judgement above all others, and is willing to join the Conservative movement. We need THINKERS, and DOERS. Without them I personally think that America as we knew it is already lost. The only thing remaining that the USSA must still control is US. You can let it happen, or you can fight like hell. A fight is definitely on the horizon, and it is coming at full speed. If you fail to prepare for it there is a strong probability that you will become either an early casulty, or end up as a political prisoner. Wake up people this is all a CARBON COPY OF NAZI GERMANY IN THE 20s and 30s. It is probable that it will become another NAZI GERMANY of the 40s, then look what happened. We found EISENHOWER,PATTON, MARSHALL, and all the others who along with millions of Allied soldiers came together and brought down the NAZI (alleged) SUPERMEN. At the same time take a long look at how many people died as a result of HITLER’S insanity. We now have it all to do over again thanks to the slimey LIBERAL DEVIATE nincompoops, who are so caught up in,and intoxicated by their imagined power, that they have brought about another HITLER, who is following the exact footsteps of the last HITLER,who wrote MEIN KAMPF. There is another book that was written by an equally depraved person, it is called AUDACITY OF HOPE, and equates with MEIN KAMPF almost perfectly. There is an extremely ill MANIAC occupying the Whitehouse. If he is not removed soon we WILL be fighting another war, only this time RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S. Blood will be running in our gutters. Perhaps our own if we do not act soon.

  277. Prairie

    Although barky is a Muslim by birth , he follows the traditions and the religion of his immediate family , atheism.

    I’m sure he’s scarfed down a few pork chops from time to time.

  278. Army DAV

    Stupid me, that’s what the DAV Stands for, isn’t it.

  279. addendum to my post @9:32

    Your physician will have NO say so in determining what you qualify for or receive in the form of medical care. The human element has been completely removed from this venue. He will be prohibited from writing you a prescription or ordering an MRI should you benefit from one if the edict doesn’t “pop up” on his computer screen.

    It’s all about your NUMBERS. In fact your physician will be given edicts the minute he pulls up your chart on the computer. If he deviates from this could lose his license, be fined and even face imprisonment.

    This bill is the end of our freedom.

  280. Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Hey Michelle,

    Ya, when Bozo is proven to be what he says he’s not, how many ultimate sacrifices will have been made for a usurper? Losing someone is hard enough, but losing someone when an ineligible cretin is the CIC is intolerable.

    Coming from the terrorism game, it’s tough to stand by and wait for something to happen however, ‘suspicious activity’ is not a crime. I can’t tell you how many units in all states are monitoring that but the question is: What is the criteria for crossing the line?

    Still, they had the goods on Hasan-they’d been watching him for 6 months. I guess that their definition of ‘over the line’ was killing a dozen people and wounding many more.

    Gotta be a better way, but I don’t know what that is. Every day after 9/11 was new for those of us involved; what we did had never been done before and each day brought new challenges.

    We’ve totally let our guard down and the further away we get from 9/11, the more complacent we become….until someone like Hasan rears his ugly head.

  281. DenisetheMenace

    Michelle 😉

  282. Has anyone seen BO eat BACON? Thatis a TEST that we need to do or mail Bacon to teh White House.

  283. TO:
    Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    A.R.M.Y.DAV-are you trying to say that you have an army of greased pigs ready to go to all of the Mosques in the US. Let them run around in there and there by make the Mosque inoperable, without firing a shot?
    ==================

    We have found the Mulsim Jihadists’ WEAKNESS: PIGS

    Anyone have a stockpile of LARD? If we can’t find any HOG FARMERS this will do. Heat it up and leak it on the ground it runs like syrup and once it cools off it is a GREASY MESS be careful very slippery.

  284. kittycat,

    This is just a peek of the Goerge Washington National Forest. Skyline Drive is spectacular in Spring or in Autumn.

    http://www.terragalleria.com/photos/?keyword=shenandoah-trees

  285. We don’t need vaccines we all need to start carrying pork jerky or bacon around and leaving it everywhere especially in areas where Muslin Jihadis are apt to hold ANTI AMERICAN PROTESTS.

    One time in the 1580’s on one of the many attempts of Spain to Invade Portugal they tried to take the island of Terceira in the Azores (where today is an American Air Base) but when they got near the shore they had a herd of wild bullfighting Bulls that a lady owner had released just for the welcoming party.

    We need to take a lesson from her just HOGS instead of Bulls.

  286. Yes Kidmon and your not stupid , you’re a great patriot like many others here.

  287. Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    SueK-you need to get a railing in there it’s important.
    ******************************************
    Thought of that, Michelle-railing on the way this week!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Yup, and I have the slingshot! Also have a ham in the freezer….ooooooh! Bacon on the way.

    I can buy pork chops in bulk-those’ll fly pretty good, eh? Pigs’ knuckles right between the eyes-I love it!

    I have an SPCA location nearby and they always have a good variety of pot-bellied pigs up for adoption. I can get some of those-they’ll just blend in with the rest of my critters.

    LET’S PORK ‘EM TO DEATH! 🙂

  288. I finally remembered who Obama reminds me of-Caligula-from I, Claudius. Caligula was scary crazy, but the court and the people had to pretend he was not crazy as he descended more and more into madness and a pitiless evil-the worst crimes without remorse.
    janusmuseum.org

  289. Did you all see this? Sounds like a really good idea. Doesn’t somebody here have a big list of emails and faxes for MSM organizations?

    =====================

    You’ll find a DECLARATION OF WAR On The Biased Mainstream Media at http://www.scribd.com/doc/22260424/DECLARATION-OF-WAR-on-the-Biased-Mainstream-Media

    This delcaration includes statements about a dereliction of duty by journalists in investigating the “natural born citizen” issue.

    If you visit http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2009/11/declaration-of-war-on-biased-mainstream.html you will see how I hope this document will be used.

  290. Anyone remember the movie ‘War of the Worlds’ with Gene Barry?

    What killed the aliens as they were destroying the planet? Bacteria. The same bacteria humans had adapted to over the ages.

    Could defeating them be as simple as that, but with pigs this time?

    Hmmm….I’m in a pork state of mind.

    Isn’t it also true that they’re afraid of dogs? We are a nation of dogs, so let’s let all the Fidos out there do their jobs!

  291. SueK-or should we say Gen. SueK-I can see the headlines now. Gen. SueK solves the radical Islam problem with pigs. After the Gen. unleashed her pigs they signed a treaty with her. The Islamic Fascists begged to sign this treaty due to their fear of pigs and their fear of that crazy American General girl. No shots were fired. The United States is now at peace.

  292. SueK & Michelle

    Idea for Fund Raiser – Selling pig’s feet for all true Americans to hang on their rearview mirror, pig feet wind chimes etc. lets hang them on the mosque doors and in their trees.

  293. GREAT idea you guys….Lots of pigs and dogs. I think it would have a huge impact!!

  294. Better yet wouldn’t it be great at the next presser have pig feet microphones.

  295. SueK

    Isn’t it also true that they’re afraid of dogs?.

    ***************************

    I think they fear Fido licking them on the face, they consider animals as unclean.

  296. I don’t think they are afraid of dogs – afterall the Obammy’s have one. The great one even named it after himself – BO

  297. Jerome………………………………
    To be absolutely effective in such a US tax revolt, it would require at least 90% of all Americans to refuse to pay any Federal taxes for one tax year. The US Government is so financially stressed now that it could cause the collapes of the US Dollar, and no matter what our snotnosed, childish Geithner tries to do stop it there will be no money available for him to steal. This action will at the same time end the occupation of the Whitehouse by Soetoro. You would hear threats of imprisonment, hellish finens etc, but there is not enough jails on earth to hold 330,000,000 people. We could also hope that our top military brass decide to demand proof that Soetoro is the legal Commander in Chief of our military. NO COURT IN THE LAND CAN STOP THEM SHOULD THE JOINT CHIEFS ALL DEMAND PROOF SIMULTANEOUSLY.

  298. Kidmon,
    That is so funny. Pigs feet are disgusting. I see them in the grocery stores sometimes. I see “hog maws” too but I still don’t know what they are. Am afraid to look!!!

  299. Seriously , it’s not dogs or pigs they fear and hate , it’s your freedom and liberty they fear and hate.

  300. live oak – yea they are disgusting.
    quite prevalent in my area – pigs feet and pig hears (Obammy Ears).

  301. JustMe,

    Thankyou for 9:02 and 9:32pm.

    I don’t know where to begin. Perhaps best to begin with a definition of socialized medicine. Here’s a link as an example:

    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/06/09/ezra-klein-socialized-medicine-slavery/

    The key point in this article is that the government OWNS the doctors in Obama’s definition of universal healthcare. The doctors and other related health care workers, must follow the rules as dictated by the gov’t.

    I don’t believe most understand the gravity of this. The Hippocratic Oath states clearly that doctors must first respond to what the patient requires. Therefore medical care, or any semblance of adequate medicare will perish.

    Try this analogy: Your boss tells you that you have only x number of leave days. At some point you have used them all up. You are now at home with a sick child, and if you choose to not go into work you will lose your job.

    This is the same kind of straight jacket all doctors will be placed in and it will be you who is the sick kid at home. As the sick kid you either have a parent who abandons you or you have a parent who is now unemployed.

  302. ARMY D.A.V. // November 8, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Hi Army,

    I think we all know what they hate, and you’re spot on.

    Just having a little fun here, and trying to find a simple solution to a complex problem!

    It’s just so frustrating to know what we know (and what Obamamamma has admitted) and can’t seem to get him outta there!

  303. I know Army DAV…too dangerous to have freedom and liberty….and be a woman.

  304. Kidmon,
    From now on they’re Obammy ears! Gross!!!!!
    LOL!!!

  305. Wow, now Larry Sinclair is running for Congress in Florida. Or at least he’s trying to get his name on the ballot. Say what you will about Sinclair, but one thing there is no denying is that he is a doer. He gets things done when you think he has no chance. So I wouldn’t underestimate Sinclair’s ability to get this thing done. In fact, this is the next logical evolution in Sinclair’s attempt to get his story out about Obama. More power to him.

  306. So our Army is composed of us, pigs and dogs. I like the pig symbols (silver bullet) somewhat like they do with vampires cheap protection in a non-violent sort of way. I like the liquid lard, just pour by the door and it will seep in. Leave the empty container by the door so they know what it is.

  307. Kidmon, live oak and Michelle,

    Michelle, I’d be *happy* to serve and I’ll take my orders from the Lord, thank you!

    One last ounce of silliness: A catapult! Man, hams would fly on one of those, eh? We could all holler ‘Allahu Akbar’ as we launch the thing.

    Wonder if YouTube would post it?

    Linda from NY, if you’re here tonight, ‘I’m in a New Pork State of Mind.’

    I’m finished, now (to the great relief of other CWers).

  308. SueK,
    I still have some hope that Orly will be successful. Perhaps Carter’s conscience is eating away his heart. I’ve seen on some of the blogs that people were calling for businesses to deny him service! Can you imagine? Go in a restaurant and they pretend you’re not there? Go to the gas station and they won’t sell you gas! Carter has ruined his career and reputation as it is. I know he’s got an awful lot of angry letters by now.

  309. Venice,

    Another great analogy. We need more of these scenarios so people will get it. As you can see none of this was addressed in the grandstanding yesterday. And as such, BOTH parties were deceiving us once again!

    Did you see my earlier post @ 7:16 for the link to the podcast of Dr. Winn Parker?

    If so, were you able to access it?

    I’m listening to it again as I write.

  310. SueK

    Love it! Yell Suwee Akbar

    yes we have to laugh every now and again or life would truly be miserable.

  311. SueK,
    You are silly and it’s great to laugh a little.
    These past few days have been so sad.

  312. JustMe,

    I tried several different ways and couldn’t, but didn’t want to bother you.

  313. SueK-I hate to say it but I think our weaponized pigs are the Islamic Fascists weak spot. Can you imagine them running down the street away from our pigs who just want to be friendly? Can’t touch our pigs ASPCA-the Constitution for pigs.

  314. Venice, okay let me see what I can do. Are you on a Mac or PC?

  315. live oak // November 8, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Live oak, I hadn’t heard about the denial of service….talk about ‘blacklisted,’ huh?

    I’m sure he’s been blasted with angry letters and e-mails. Unless I missed something, where was the ‘advice’ he gave to Orly? Was the Quo Warranto suggestion it?

    Ya, I think he’s shot his career in the foot with this one, although I’ve yet to see a judge who wouldn’t have done the same thing; standing, wrong court, affidavits, etc. While I realize that we need to follow the letter of the law, these cases are much too important to haggle about technicalities.

    I may be very wrong about that, but I still believe that threats and payola did the job for Barky. Legal bill approaching 1.8M. Where’s that money going?

  316. JustMe,

    PC

  317. live oak

    I know but that’s why we love them, American made, born and bred in the USA.

  318. Kidmon, you crack me up! I’m in for the chant :).
    *******************************************
    Live oak, gotta do it! If we lose our humor, it’s worse than Dictator Barky totally taking over.
    ****************************************
    Michelle…Constitutional pigs-great! I’ll call PETA so they won’t complain-maybe I can steer ’em to talking to the snails again.

  319. SueK,
    I think it may take a revolution and it worries me a little. I trust the Oathkeepers.

    Re:Kenya Boy’s legal bill…I think Soros is paying for everything. He’s one of the puppeteers, and the Saudis are the others.

  320. JustMe,

    BTW hadn’t read your last post, when I entered mine. They both align, but it is the most critical aspect of Obama’s socialized medicine, and most have to understand that socialized medicine as practiced in other countries, eg. France is not the same thing.

    His definition embodies the most important aspect which of course is control, and then one has to ask why. That’s the dangerous part that most are not looking at.

  321. Venice – try to copy & paste this link in a new browser window. You should get a page with several of his podcasts on it. Let me know.

    feed://www.republicbroadcasting.org/podcasts.active.php?programID=20

  322. Good night everybody! Thanks for keeping me laughing. I’ll check in to see you tomorrow!

  323. Good Night all! need some shut-eye!

    Here’s hoping tommorrow is “the day”!

  324. Yeah!!

  325. Your readers might like the take on http://www.lastingliberty.com/: Bigger Than Healthcare

  326. Venice, @10:51

    that’s correct. I hadn’t really looked at the specifics of the term Comparative Effectiveness until today (obvious, huh?) But, having done further research and heard Dr. Winn Parker today, it kind of gelled for me. I wished I would have understood at least this aspect of it better two days ago.

    Dr. Parker, both last week and this week, ties in the particulars to the Copenhagen Treaty.

  327. Live oak,

    Let’s hope the ranks of the Oathkeepers keep on growing!

    I think you’re right about Soros-it takes very deep pockets to pull this off!

    G’night, all….

  328. JustMe,

    Nothing is obvious with this administration. Their depraved mines requires that you have one to understand how they make decisions.

  329. Now there’s a Freudian slip if I ever seen one. Not sure if mines is better than minds.

  330. Venice,

    I’m signing off for the evening, but before I do, I would like to know if the link I posted @10:52 worked for you.

  331. Venice,

    mines, minds – gotta love it when Freud happens.

  332. Sorry JustMe,

    Tried cutting and pasting. Says website not available. But don’t worry. Please sign off. Perhaps if you have notes, you can summarize. It doesn’t have to be detailed, just the bare bones. Thanks for all you do.

  333. [Michelle // November 8, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    ARMY D.A.V. was does ROTFLMAO mean?]

    Do you mean “what” does ROTFLMAO mean?

    Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off.

  334. JustMe,

    I meant summarize tomorrow, not tonight.

  335. Venice,

    whew…you had me worried for a minute. My eyes are crossing…i smile…

    good night!

  336. jbjd….@6:25pm

    jbjd I’m listing, were all listing. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that Nancy Pelosi is the key to this quagmire.

    Sue Pelosi for election fraud. Is this possible? Nancy will be the key to BO’s downfall.

  337. Good Night!

  338. Venice,

    one last thing before signing off. Did you notice this bill puts us on a level playing field with the rest of the world? I think it was in one of the documents I posted a link to earlier.

    I’m refereing to the passage just before or after the one that said the WHO has us ranked as #1. We will be reduced to the same rank and file as other countries if this passes.

  339. Venice,

    here it is: “GLOBAL BUDGETS” – PRESET AMTS NATIONS CAN SPEND. Is this the allocation to us from the some yet to be determined entity? Sure didn’t hear this on the tube yesterday! Affordable healthcare coverage my you know what! Yeah, it’s affordable all right if you’re young and healthy.

    Comparative Effectiveness is the determination, and the methods used for the
    determination, of who gets health care, and what kind of health care. The health care
    systems of Canada, very much of Europe, and many other parts of the world, are publicly
    run and publicly funded. Generally, these single-payer systems operate within what are
    called “global budgets,” pre-set amounts nations are allowed to spend on health care.
    That could mean, if America adopts the same system, we would have X dollars to spend
    on health care in a particular year. Not X+1 dollars.

  340. Thanks JustMe.

  341. JustMe,

    Are you there still?

  342. Anybody what happened to TerriK? I hope she has not been harmed or threatened!

  343. HapnHal et al.,

    THESE COMPLAINTS OF ELECTION FRAUD ARE NOT LAWSUITS! These are citizens, filing charges of election fraud with their state A’sG, in states that require the candidate whose name appears on the ballot, to be qualified for the job. Citizens are charging fraud against the person in the D party who submitted the Certification of Nomination to state election officials swearing BO was qualified, per state law, notwithstanding no evidence existed in the public record on which any of these D’s could have ascertained he was a NBC. In VA and GA, NP submitted these Certifications directly to election officials. So, in those states, the citizens charge her with fraud.

    Check out these complaints, on the front of my blog. In TX, Boyd Richie, Chair of the state D party, is charged, because he not only submitted the Certifications but also signed these as well. (In TX, there is no NP signed Certification.) In SC, the DNC Chair, Howard Dean, is charged, along with General Counsel Joseph Sander; Mr. Sandler submitted NP’s Certification. Also, Carol Fowler, state D party Chair is charged, along with others. (SC is a doozy; they perpetrated fraud in the primary by swearing BO is qualified, too.)

    Citizens only file these complaints with their A’sG. It is up to the A’sG to investigate and, if appropriate, prosecute criminally.

  344. Just catching up but had to dodge catapulted hams and slingshot bacon…
    You guys are a hoot!
    I guess it’s coming to the end times, y’know,
    when pigs fly…

  345. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: Found some more info on the heroes at Food Hood I thought you might enjoy:

    More Heroes at Fort Hood

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/07/more-heroes-at-fort-hood/

    Good Night…Linda

  346. Linda from NY

    Maddie: This one’s for you!

    Secretary Clinton On The Job – Updated

    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/07/secretary-clinton-on-the-job/

    Good Night…Linda

  347. jbjd says

    “THESE COMPLAINTS OF ELECTION FRAUD ARE NOT LAWSUITS! These are citizens, filing charges of election fraud with their state A’sG…”

    OK FINE, BUT NONE OF THOSE ARE BROUGHT BY AN OPPOSING CANDIDATE ON THE SAME BALLOT, LIKE ALAN KEYES, WHOSE CLAIM IS IS IS IS IS A LAWSUIT BY KEYES FOR DAMAGES AGAINST AND CAUSED BY OBAMA. JBJD YOU PROVE MY POINT BECAUSE KEYES’ CLAIM HERE IS IS IS IS IS A CIVIL LAWSUIT BY KEYES, PRECISELY NOT, OR PRECISELY NOT MERELY, A REGULATORY OR STATUTORY CHARGE OF ELECTION FRAUD AS YOU ARE REFERRING TO!

  348. jbjd, or stated another way…

    Keyes is a tort claim (complaint) for tort fraud committed by Obama againts him, Keyes.

    You are referring to a claim (complaint) by or on behalf of the voting public for fraud — or election fraud — committed by Obama, or whomever, against the voting public.

  349. Here is what I think BO is:

    He is an adopted dog that was treated very well by the adopting family BUT insists on biting them and ONLY THEM.
    The thief will come in the night or even the JIHADI PIGS and the adopting family expect the DOG to protect them and he goes and licks the “Familiar” intruder. When the adoptove family sayd BO sigg ’em boy he turns on you and rabbidly wnats to rip you apart …….. This is the Dog that has been pushed on us BY THE DEVIL and the EROSIONIST OPPOSITION. Thsi dog white hunt (BITE) anything but the American hadn that fed it so well……..

  350. RE-DO (btw where has he been lately)

    Here is what I think BO is:

    He is an adopted dog that was treated very well by the adopting family BUT insists on biting them and ONLY THEM.
    The thief comes in the night or even the JIHADI PIGS and the adopting family expect the DOG to protect them BUT instead he goes over and licks the “Familiar” intruder. When the adoptive family sayd BO “sigg ‘em boy” he turns on them and rabbidly wants to rip them apart …….. This is the Dog that has been pushed on us BY THE DEVIL and the EROSIONIST OPPOSITION. This dog won’t hunt (BITE) anything but the American hand that fed it so well…….. this dog was trained by the Communist/Terrorist wing of the CIA Brezwnski, Bill Ayers (kill your parents), Jeremiah Wright, etc. he is ONLY trained to ATTACK America and Love the Jihadi Muslim Pigs that want to decapitate America

  351. Would a SUPERSOAKER be able to shot liquid pig lard?

  352. PF,

    You need a cartoonist to put images to your metaphor…its great political commentary…!

  353. Linda from NY

    Upstate Warrior: Another report on the Fort Hood Tragedy:
    “Very Precise: Former General believes Fort Hood shooter planned a deliberate “a deliberate act of execution”

    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=11337478&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572809,00.html

  354. JustMe,

    I was going to respond but clearly you signed off.
    Post 11:41pm. I am Canadian. Sorry if that is a surprise, though I have referred to it on this blog before. That may have been before you frequented it often. I’ve been on CW’s blog for over 18 months.

    As you can see however, I don’t much distinguish. Canada and US are tied at the hip, so what happens here will affect Canada too, and it may be sooner than we know.

    So to address your post, please know that socialized medicine as it is practiced in Canada is again a different interpretation of what Obama proposes. Physicians here have guidelines for common treatments, but they are not bound by it and they certainly are not penalized. It remains patient centered, the ONLY way medicine can be practiced. Anything else is not medicine.

    Yes, we do have line ups, and many go to the US to get quicker treatments and quicker assessments, but this is why I posted the above link. Like everything else this administration is doing, what they call their brand of health care and what it actually is are two different things. France is a stellar example.

    I have been horrified by what has been happening in the last couple of years since this election cycle began. What ails America, ails the world. It is the same for Israel. If Israel is weakened, or worst still destroyed, it will be a black day for the globe, bc the essence of democracy will have been crushed. This of course is their intent. Clearly I’ve been keeping a close eye on what is developing in Israel.

  355. TO:
    John Charlton // November 9, 2009 at 4:27 am

    PF,

    You need a cartoonist to put images to your metaphor…its great political commentary…!
    ==============

    Thanks. DO you know anyone? I have sen the Ramirez cartoons and he does a great job.

  356. Sorry for the bad spelling.

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