New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine has been constantly in the news because of the tight race with Republican Christie and repeated Obama campaign visits to shore up Obama’s image and influence. However, there is a lot of information about Corzine’s record on taxes, shady investments and ties to corruption figures.
The Corzine Times is a website devoted to covering stories about NJ Governor Corzine.
“The Failed Join Corzine 2005 Tax Plan… How many broken promises do you count?”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/tax-plan-unveiled/
“The state, with the highest property taxes in the nation, is home to six of the nation’s 10 most expensive counties, according to the Tax Foundation, a nonprofit group that analyzed Census data released this week.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/jerseyans-are-pinched-hardest-to-pay-property-taxes/
“Gov. Jon Corzine has a stake in a private hedge fund related to the corporate owner of four New Jersey casinos. The Corzine hedge fund is TPG-Axon, while its founder is Texas Pacific Group (TPG). They share the same address and some of the same people as well as the same name.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/576/
“The bi-state agency formed to combat corruption within the New York and New Jersey ports became riddled with abuse — misusing federal Homeland Security funding, hiring unqualified cops, and allowing convicted felons to get jobs. In a scathing 67-page report, the New York Inspector General said the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor had failed in its duties.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/waterfront-commission-officials-accused-of-corruption/
“Michael Madonna… symbolizes just about everything that was wrong with the waterfront commission. His conflicts of interest were rampant.”
“And we would like to know how he held on to it until last week, despite the fact that much of the top staff of the failed agency, including his New York counterpart, were gone last year. New top officials have been brought in and sweeping reforms have been put in place.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/why-did-corzine-reappoint-michael-madonna-to-the-waterfront-commission/
“Jon Corzine won the governorship of New Jersey four years ago pledging to bring needed change to a state defined by corruption and the highest property taxes in the country.
And four years later, things did change. The state’s Democratic political establishment became more corrupt than ever and its tax burdens heavier than before, in part due to a pay-to-play culture of corruption the governor did little if anything to combat and a bunch of new fees and taxes Mr. Corzine enacted in the midst of the recession.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/weeding-out-the-garden-state/
“The state’s $28.6 billion budget, which could be approved by the Legislature as early as today, includes an estimated $75 million to be raised from a tax increase on health and dental plans.”
http://www.corzinetimes.com/budget-hikes-taxes-on-healthcare/
With corruption ties, tax hikes and ruining the economy, Jon Corzine looks like Obama’s kind of guy.
Thanks to commenter Linda from NY for the info.
Citizen WElls 
Okay….after reading the other thread….I just got an image in my head of Rahm and Ovomit pulling a Lewinsky in the oval office…..
Nice…..real nice……
crickets from the white house , they sense a big defeat tomorrow but will villify the loser and throw them under the bus.
sandy // November 2, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Hi Sandy,
Wow, that visual is enough to make one lose one’s appetite for the next week.
Ewww…..
Prayers for your stepdaughter-hope she’ll be OK.
CW,
Corzine is on the F.R.E.E. list I posted the link to earlier. A member or could be attendee of Bilderberg.
Listed under former U.S. Senators. Is it any wonder “O” and others are pushing for him?
Election 2009 Forecasts
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/election_2009_forecasts.html
November 02, 2009
Recount In Jersey? Candidates, Parties Planning For One
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2009/11/recount_in_jersey_candidates_p.html
November 02, 2009
NJ Gov Polls: Photo Finish
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2009/11/nj_gov_polls_photo_finish.html
Sue K,
see my late post on previous thread to “southcarolina.” Weigh in, please.
It’s hard to believe with all the info out there, it’s still being ignored. Isn’t it? I’m dealing with it in my own family. Frustrating.
I recently received a letter from BO (paid for by the Democrat party of my state). Maybe I have a weird sense of humor, but I thought the following sentence was really funny, especially given BO’s support of Gov. Corzine in NJ:
“We simply cannot afford to go back to the old style of failed politics that puts Wall Stree greed ahead of Main Street values, leaving behind massive budget deficits while shortchanging our priorities.”
Question for ya, BO: where do you think Gov. Corzine made his many millions of $? And “massive budget deficits”? What in the world does BO think he’s been doing since he took office? Massive budget deficits on steroids, that’s what. LOL!
“House Republicans Find 111 New ‘Bureaucracies’ in Health Care Bill”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/02/house-republicans-new-bureaucracies-health-care/
JustMe // November 2, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Gotcha, JustMe, and I agree.
I work in a health-related field and still, they go for the shots like sheeples; parents are having their kids injected, as are pregnant women. Anything a pregnant woman takes into her system during those 9 months certainly does have an effect on the baby…look at smoking, drug and alcohol use. This vaccine is no exception,
I asked a colleague today why she opted for the shot and her answer was that even though she heard what I was telling her, she ‘feels better having it.’ HUH?
The issue, as I see it, is that people trust their local hospitals, boards of health, other healthcare providers, as well as the gubmint, to act in their best interests. Nothing could be further than the truth!
When I ask people if they know what’s about to be injected into their bodies, I get a blank stare.
The gubmint has done an excellent job of dumbing down America, and if you trust what they say, I feel for you.
Yes, the flu does have its risks, but so does the vaccine. Pregnant women need to realize this, make an informed decision, and not head over the cliff with the rest of the brainwashed public.
But, I digress.
I just don’t understand how people can blindly trust like this, especially when the facts are right there for them to see with a little research.
Yup, the gubmint is looking out for us alright…..
Sue K
did you read about the recent situation in Ukraine? I posted a couple of links over the weekend about this.
It’s interesting how some are making the connection with this different/unique more virulent strain to Dr. Joseph Moshe. Remember the red Volkswagon chase in Calif?
Supposedly the WHO, who has sent a team to Ukraine to investigate, are denying the numbers reported. Uh huh?! There were something like 40,000 infected in 10 days time. A number of health care personnel died – including a few docs.
SueK-This was on 60 Minutes last night, it’s about where the H1N1 in the United States at least and the super secret egg farms. I hate shots not getting a shot.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/29/60minutes/main5451803.shtml?tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel
Patriot Dreamer-I wonder who makes this stuff up, some need to get out more and visit with the real people, fellow citizens, fellow business owners, small, medium and large.
It’s like Obama said it,it must be so.
SueK-I wonder if Dr. Orly knows about this, very near where she was born and raised. She may still have relatives there.
Patriot Dreamer // November 2, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I recently received a letter from BO (paid for by the Democrat party of my state). Maybe I have a weird sense of humor, but I thought the following sentence was really funny, especially given BO’s support of Gov. Corzine in NJ:
“We simply cannot afford to go back to the old style of failed politics that puts Wall Stree greed ahead of Main Street values, leaving behind massive budget deficits while shortchanging our priorities.”
Question for ya, BO: where do you think Gov. Corzine made his many millions of $? And “massive budget deficits”? What in the world does BO think he’s been doing since he took office? Massive budget deficits on steroids, that’s what. LOL!
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Just proves once again that the idiot lives in a bubble on another planet; he just beems down occasionally to lend proof to his IQ level.
beams, beems, you get the jest.
Just received this email….make your voice heard Patriots!!!!
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From the Desk of:
David Martin, Executive Vice President
MEDIA RESEARCH CENTER
11/2/2009
Lost in the Left-wing media’s slanderous attacks against Rush Limbaugh is the equally despicable behavior of the NFL—specifically NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who ignored the truth and allowed the assault against Rush to escalate—ultimately destroying his opportunity to own an NFL franchise.
Because this is ultimately an assault on all conservatives, the MRC is urging you and ALL members of our Action team to take immediate action against the NFL by calling the commissioner and demanding a full and public apology to Rush.
Commissioner Goodell can be reached at: 212-450-2000
“Could America go broke?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/01/AR2009110101704.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns
twe if you are here, please respond. thanks.
Patriot Dreamer,
I thought America was already “broke”
or close to it. Just wait until the commercial
real estate does belly up.
scarolina,
Maybe your friend should take the nasal version of the vaccine she really wants to get vaccinated. At least that way she’ll avoid the mercury. The mercury is only added to the 10-dose vials, and not in the spray or single-dose vials.
Just Me —
The author who made the connection between Iraqi ‘oil for food’ money and Tony Rezko was NOT Jerome Corsi at WND, but rather Daniel Pipes, a very insightful commentator.
He blogs here —
http://www.danielpipes.org/
sheesh…. vaccine *if* she really wants to get vaccinated.
JS–
People should also quit attending the games/and or watching them on cable. Hit them in their pocket books! That was really ridiculous and probably somehow ? related to Obama? —can’t prove it, but it seems odd to deny Limbaugh this opportunity for what? some made up lies? Sounds more like Obama vs Limbaugh. Now, if Hillary were Madame President Limbaugh would own the whole NFL!:) just couldn’t resist that one! He did campaign for HilRod in the primaries***
Hi Maddie,
Yep! Our national debt is $11.9 Trillion. And when you factor in all unfunded liabilities (medicare, prescription drugs, etc.) it’s $105.9 TRILLION!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
“AP pre-spin: These elections mean nothing and the GOP is doomed”
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/ap-pre-spin-these-elections-mean-nothing-and-the-gop-is-doomed/
Hi SCarolina,
This is such an awful position to be in. What risk if she does take it, what risk if not? According to a doc on the news this morning said that the majority of vaccine isn’t getting here in time to prevent anything.
Patriot Dreamer,
This is one of the reasons I joined the Tea Party Movement. The spending was just totally out of my comprehension. Just listened to Lou Dobbs audio saying that we need more “working people” in DC—plumbers, teachers, police, etc., –Ivy League appears to not understand Americans who are out here struggling.
“[Senator] Hatch isn’t kidding: Constitutionality of [health care insurance] mandates a big problem”
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/02/hatch-isnt-kidding-constitutionality-of-mandates-a-big-problem/
“CBO Score – 18 Million Still Uninsured After Spending Over $1 Trillion”
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/10/cbo-score-18-million-still-uninsured.html
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbb.htm
Obama is losing weight. No surprise there, things predictably are not going well for him. The elections tomorrow, whatever which way they go are clearly indicators the Dems are down. Rasumussen continues to show decline in approval rating. And if things were not bad enough, Karzai has just been reinstated.
Somebody is not pulling for him. I wonder who?
“It Took Just Minutes To Find Profound Stupidity In Pelosi’s Bill”
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-took-just-minutes-to-find-profound.html
things that make you go hmmmmmmmm! THIS should make us go WTH?! A new logo for U.S. Army North – Fifth Army.
snipped from:
http://www.infowars.com/nau-usanorth-logo/
…”As it’s said, a picture says a 1000 words. So I don’t think we need a “memo” to figure this one out.”
“I was at Ft. Sam Houston this past weekend at the HQ of the 5th Army “Quadrangle” in San Antonio, Texas.
“Way in the back corner were two brand new, black, mobile command unit RVs. On them I noticed the 5th Army “North” seal is now superimposed over a U.N. ORANGE image of North America(not just the U.S.) and it is surrounded by U.N. BLUE water.”
“This is alarming as it appears to be further evidence that we are already living in the North American Union. Rather than announce it because they know there would be resistance, they integrate us without our permission or knowledge”.
Oh, I forgot a few: Iran and Israel are both showing their muscle and Clinton is backing off development in the West Bank. Could anything be worse for Obama?
Bob // November 2, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Thanks, Bob.
I checked the reference to that statement about Jerome Corsi. The footnote simply references Corsi’s book, “Obamanation” – pg 173. Perhaps in Corsi’s book he references Pipes. I don’t own that book, so can’t verify.
Venice,
good to see you back. Hope all is well with you.
Wanted to let you know I rec’d Lindsey Williams DVD’s and am in the process of transcribing some of the information. Hope to post in a few days.
Fernley Girl,
the nasal version of the vaccine is the LIVE virus. The child has no immunity at this point in utero.
Michelle,
Do you think there is any deliberate connection
with the outbreak of flu in the Ukraine and Obama hating Orly? That is way out there, but I don’t trust bo in anything.
Nancy,
How are things in NJ now? Any new poll numbers? Good luck over there, Maddie.
Maddie-I don’t think so but you never can be sure. I never thought of that—God help any drug company if they deliberately infected people to make profits. Anything even remotely close to that reminds me of Dr. Mengele.
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Maddie // November 2, 2009 at 6:13 pm
JS–
People should also quit attending the games/and or watching them on cable. Hit them in their pocket books! That was really ridiculous and probably somehow ? related to Obama? —can’t prove it, but it seems odd to deny Limbaugh this opportunity for what? some made up lies? Sounds more like Obama vs Limbaugh. Now, if Hillary were Madame President Limbaugh would own the whole NFL!:) just couldn’t resist that one! He did campaign for HilRod in the primaries**************
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Maddie….Are you saying he campaigned for Hillary??? I don’t remember that!! He told Chris Wallace on Sunday that he voted for McCain!!
A follow-up to this story on our local news this evening.
http://www.wptv.com/content/news/northpbc/northpalmbeach/story/flag-flap-stars-stripes-mural-north-palm-beach-wpt/9Rop9hrYgE6RfPTqZjKmrw.cspx
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venice // November 2, 2009 at 6:29 pm
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbb.htm
Obama is losing weight. No surprise there, things predictably are not going well for him. The elections tomorrow, whatever which way they go are clearly indicators the Dems are down. Rasumussen continues to show decline in approval rating. And if things were not bad enough, Karzai has just been reinstated.
Somebody is not pulling for him. I wonder who?
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Venice…..I have said this before…..since we have never seen his medical records….he could be HIV positive knowing what we know about his sexual preferences…..he could also have cancer from the cigarettes and drugs….might explain the purple lips!!
From Sarah Palin….quit making things up DNC!!!
venice // November 2, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Oh, I forgot a few: Iran and Israel are both showing their muscle and Clinton is backing off development in the West Bank. Could anything be worse for Obama?
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What are your thoughts on why she is?
JS–Don’t you remember when Limbaugh told everyone to vote for Hillary in the primaries ?
He credited himself for her popularity rise.
His reasoning was I believe that the radicals would get behind Obama, and he thought that Hillary would be easier to beat. Almost daily, Limbaugh would promote Hillary. It was amazing. Anyway, I know that Rush voted for McCain (as I did in the end). But it was fun while Limbaugh pulled it off.
Yes, I saw the Wallace interview also. Wasn’t it good—I actually enjoyed the ques. and the answers. Both sides were super, imho. Limbaugh’s candor was good; he was very calm, too, I thought. Looked like they both enjoyed themselves—-the way America’s politics should be—not wacko stuff.
Gotta love this too…..Sarah Palin responds to Biden’s stupid A$$ remarks about the country’s energy independence…..he brought Palin’s name into so she let him have it and good!!!
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Response to Vice President Biden’s Comments Today About My Position On Energy Independence
Today at 10:12am
As the vice president knows, I have always advocated an all-of-the-above approach to American energy independence. Among other things, my alternative energy goal for Alaska sits at 50 percent because Alaska reached more than 20 percent during my term in office. The Obama-Biden administration, on the other hand, recently announced a renewable goal of only 25 percent. However, domestic drilling should remain a top priority in order to meet America’s consumption and security needs.
The vice president’s extreme opposition to domestic energy development goes all the way back to 1973 when he opposed the Alaska pipeline bill. As Ann Coulter pointed out, “Biden cast one of only five votes against the pipeline that has produced more than 15 billion barrels of oil, supplied nearly 20 percent of this nation’s oil, created tens of thousands of jobs, added hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S. economy and reduced money transfers to the nation’s enemies by about the same amount.”
This nonsensical opposition to American domestic energy development continues to this day. Apparently the Obama-Biden administration only approves of offshore drilling in Brazil, where it will provide security and jobs for Brazilians. This election is about American security and American jobs.
There’s one way to tell Vice President Biden that we’re tired of folks in Washington distorting our message and hampering our nation’s progress: Hoffman, Baby, Hoffman!
– Sarah Palin
Fernley Girl // November 2, 2009 at 6:12 pm
and Maddie and Sue
Thanks for the responses – I talked to her and she was relieved. She didn’t want to take it but wasn’t sure of the risks for the baby if she didn’t. She said she took her little boy to the pediatrician last week for ear infection and they were not pushing the seasonal or H1N1 for him and her Ob/Gyn was not pushing it either. She already had it in her mind not to take it but like I said just wanted to know the risks. She says to thank you all for the helpful info.
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Maddie // November 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm
JS–Don’t you remember when Limbaugh told everyone to vote for Hillary in the primaries ?
He credited himself for her popularity rise.
His reasoning was I believe that the radicals would get behind Obama, and he thought that Hillary would be easier to beat. Almost daily, Limbaugh would promote Hillary. It was amazing. Anyway, I know that Rush voted for McCain (as I did in the end). But it was fun while Limbaugh pulled it off.
Yes, I saw the Wallace interview also. Wasn’t it good—I actually enjoyed the ques. and the answers. Both sides were super, imho. Limbaugh’s candor was good; he was very calm, too, I thought. Looked like they both enjoyed themselves—-the way America’s politics should be—not wacko stuff.
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Maddie…I didn’t get to listen to Rush back then much because I was working….but that makes sense….he always uses a nonsensical approach that always makes sense in the end!!
Make sure you read the two items I posted from Sarah Palin….you will love them!
When will someone bring the Truth Out? Tears, this is not funny !!! Seriously is there any doubt Soetoro is not a NBC??? Senate Bill 2678, 511 dealing with NBC requirement in Constitution… I know what I was taught in school….A NBC is one born in America to American Parents…what do they teach kids now?? I agree with other’s saying go after the other traitor’s Pelosi !!!! She signed the DNC putting him on the ballot….I did not make the rules… but all must follow them, or pay for your deeds.
OT
Michelle,
Had a rough day today. Took my dad to his dr. for a minor issue, and before we got inside the office he fell from a standing position before I could do anything. He had a lot of bleeding and required a bunch of stitches. His skin is thin and the bleeding was bad. We are trying to go Assisted Living if they will only give it a try. The dr. said this time, it’s time etc. They agree in the office and then later quickly back off. I’m at my wits end.
Margie,
That’s the way I learned it. I have no idea what they teach in history or political science these days. But I thoroughly agree with your last three lines above. Pelosi signed off on “him,” it was against the rules, now she and bo should be out and out now! I’m tired of waiting to have them thrown out.
ELITES LAUNCH “Global Impact Investing Network”
Rockefeller Foundation to head the group, J.P. Morgan, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Al Gore, Deutsche Bank, others band together -INCLUDING OPRAH WINFREY.
snipped from:
http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/elites_launch_global_impact.htm
“This group has and is currently acting as an “alternative world government.”
“The Global Impact Investing Network is a globalist initiative that is worth keeping an eye on.”
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Maddie // November 2, 2009 at 7:35 pm
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Michelle,
Had a rough day today. Took my dad to his dr. for a minor issue, and before we got inside the office he fell from a standing position before I could do anything. He had a lot of bleeding and required a bunch of stitches. His skin is thin and the bleeding was bad. We are trying to go Assisted Living if they will only give it a try. The dr. said this time, it’s time etc. They agree in the office and then later quickly back off. I’m at my wits end.
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Maddie…..sorry to hear about your father’s mishap today…..I hope he will be okay. If only they will give the assisted living a try I think they will like it. My mom has long care insurance and already plans to go to a home when she can no longer take care of herself…my dad passed away at 65….he was a smoker so I don’t have to deal with this but I pray they will come to see what is best for them!
Maddie // November 2, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Will keep you in my prayers. Hope your Dad is ok.
Jackeeee—
Drill, Baby, Drill!
Drill Here, Drill Now!!!
Favorites.
Why aren’t we drilling?
Don’t tell me it’s the polar bears. Now I love p.bears as much as anyone, but we can all
still exist and drill for oil.
Maddie -other than the politics, I liked the interview because Chris Wallace asks a question and allows the person to respond with interruption or yelling at them. I also liked when Mr. Limbaugh explained about his addiction to pain medication. He seemed to respond well through therapy and the underlying reasons for the addiction. He looks very healthy and a lot happier.
Thanks Maddie. I don’t understand why real American Citizens are allowing this to happen. I will never understand why no one will speak up ??? Give me a security group, and I will awake America !!!!
JustMe,
My professional work keeps me hopping, so I stay on the blog as often as I can; I’m fine. Thanks for asking.
To answer your question, if you recall my reaction to Israel doing an about face on attacking Iran, this acquienscence on Clinton’s part is in keeping with this. I still believe there has been a change in strategy where Iran is concerned. However, I firmly believe this is not making Obama happy, one of the reasons he’s stressed.
BTW, Jacqlyn all of what you say is possibly true about Obama’s medical status, but he could have lost weight some time ago and didn’t. If you noticed he is ascetic in his food consumption, which means that when things are acute for him, food is the last thing on his mind. IMO, his weight loss is significant in what it reveals about his state of mind. There are things of course, like cocaine, but consumption of that usually goes up with stress, which again contributes to weight loss.
Maddie-It is almost time for you to put your foot down, this is in their best interests whether they realize it or not and unless you’re super-human it is not good for you either. Maybe you could explain to them first and possibly get a family friend or relative to visit after a week to reinforce what you said.
JustMe,
Also I wanted to say you’re doing great investigative work. The info you post is very important. Wonder if you and anyone else has seen this:
http://www.repubx.com/
Scroll down, on right hand side to “Flu politics”. Much of the material has to be fleshed out with links, but offers some interesting points to consider.
Evening All,
Just got high-speed up and running after a week of dial up :(.
Running to the Vet for guinea pig meds, but will weigh in on your lovely flu talk in a bit. Y’all have been busy!
Venice,
yes, I do recall your reaction and thought this may be your response. Thanks.
I thought the statement “O” made about his being surprised at people making a big deal about his NY date night was telling. He’s not able to shrug things off so easily as he pretends.
Al Gore was just on the news – he looks really good he dropped a lot of weight– the last time I saw him his face looked very swollen. Whether you agree with him or not, he explained his position in a literate fashion, as opposed to Obama who speaks some language that the issue makes no sense.
I think part of the “drill baby drill” issue is people have in their minds when they would go in and rape the Earth, it is restored now, when they leave. Somewhat like they are sins of the past…I think they need to stress how the land is used when they are finished with the project. I’m going to see if I can find anything on Google.
Venus,
I haven’t seen the info on rupubx but will take a look at it. Thanks.
JustMe,
The difficulty with his genre of narcissism is that nothing can be shrugged off. For example, he couldn’t just say, of course the American public is upset, they’re going hungry and we’re living it up. He could say that and accept it for what it is.
Instead, all accusations hurt deeply….it means he’s not adored, no one wishes him well, the people should be happy for him bc he’s so great and on and on. It’s a curse for him, and it is what will bring him down.
Hey all…go here and vote on Shepard Smith’s blog….is the election tomorrow connected to the FRAUD’S approval…..OF COURSE IT IS….we conservatives can’t stand a FRAUD!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/shepard-smith/index.html
Venice,
genre of narcissism
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I don’t have the knowledge of such specific professional distinctions, but trust you do. It’s just more of an instinctual response for me, reading between the lines. Again, thanks.
Jacqlyn, Michelle, & SCarolina
Thanks for your comments about my dad.
I’m going to take all the suggestions. Keep the
prayers coming too, if you would. I appreciate
all your kind words. Maddie.
Jacqlyn Smith -I don’t know– the DNC is so out of touch they are the far end of the Universe, the Media looks like idiots-thanks to backing Obama. First they launch him as a Super Messiah, try to jam him down all the Democrats throats-half aren’t’ happy, then try to shove him down the rest of the nations throat. He was given every pass you can imagine, and he still blew it-and bad.
Yes, the election results tomorrow is a reflection of Obama. Get Corzine out of NJ for starters.
JustMe,
I was just referring to narcissism vs. malignant narcissism. Clearly the latter is very serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzLIz27GqWs&feature=related
Good short piece on the history of the Rothschilds and the Federal Reserve. I found all but the last minute interesting, ie. “being chipped” might be a metaphor but that’s about as far as I’ll go for now.
MORE FLU NEWS:
40 foreign law students attending a Romanian Convention are hospitalized with med/severe forms of H1N1. This is 40 out of 240 attendees and as the article suggests represent a high attack rate.
snipped from:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11020901/Romania_Convention.html
From what I have read re: H1N1 flu, the mortality rates thus far are the same or less than the seasonal flu.
On the assumption (and that’s a big assumption) that the N1N1 has not undergone mutations to become more virulent (or that a Ukraine lab has not introduced a different strain), the type of illness between H1N1 and the seasonal flu are different.
H1N1 attacks the lung tissue proper, meaning that death often results for ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome), or that complications are associated with ADRS, eg. pneumonia. Therefore while mortality is not greater, the manner in which the illness behaves, causes a different kind of illness which can include death.
Maddie-
Will you emaol me Susen’s email address?
Maddie
Sorry foy the typo” should be “email”
” I can’t seem to get anything right tonight”
Maddie-SueK-Linda from NY
This is a letter from Dr. Orly’s private investigator sent to the Judge today. Using a false ss# is a felony as we know-can he be arrested today? I don’t know how many years this goes back, many as far as I know, how many counts, each time he used it? If he gets arrested on one ss#, does it open for all, to see what they all were used for?
Fwd: CA Judge
Sunday, November 1, 2009 8:03 AM
From:
“susandanielspi@aol.com”
To:
dr_taitz@yahoo.com
Orly,
This letter is going out in tomorrows mail.
Susan
The Honorable Judge David O. Carter
Ronald Reagan Federal Building and U. S. Courthouse
411 West 4th Street
Santa Ana, CA 92701-4516
Dear Judge Carter:
I am the private investigator who contacted Dr. Orly Taitz when I found that Barack Obama has been using a bogus social security number for years, which is a felony. I have been a licensed investigator for almost fifteen years and recognized it immediately as fraudulent.
If you had allowed Discovery and required the SSA to release his alleged application for that number (and I do not believe such an application exists), you would have realized it, too. Numbers are issued to a person in the state where they are living. Between 1977-79 when it was issued, he was living in Hawaii not Connecticut.
I now realize that you always intended to dismiss the case, because that’s what you were ordered to do. You have bartered your integrity for a lofty position and a hefty pension. Shame on you.
The men and and women in the military will continue to die under the direction of someone who is not entitled to hold the position of Commander in Chief and who is nothing more than a Chicago thug with questionable loyalties.
Semper Fi? I think not.
Hi Maddie,
Prayers for you, your Dad and family. Thinking of you.
Maddie,
Sorry to hear about your dad. If you haven’t already, you might find a way to alert him to the fact that what happened today outside the doctor’s office, could happen any time. This time he was lucky to have you and others in the office there. What would he do if he were alone.
Alrighty then…Doing my usual search… What do I want to be when I grow up…Nothing like starting over at … FBI ? 1. Be U.S. Citizen 2. Be available to serve in all 56…. 3. Have reached his / her 23rd birthday but not his / her 37 birthday.. Seriously??? you can not apply to the FBI after you turn 37? Damn!! Ok State Senate it is.. straight to the top… Do I need a Law degree first? We need to rid all Lawyers from Goverment, and Health Care.. Tort reform.
venice // November 2, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Hi Venice,
Right you are…H1N1 takes a completely different approach than seasonal flu. It also targets a completely different age group from what we’re used to seeing each winter.
My latest info is that the bug has not yet mutated; the mortality rates seem to be tied, for the most part, to the socio-economic status of an area, and the medical care available.
I work with a Microbiologist who’s actually from Ukraine. She’s checking with relatives over there to see if she can find out what the local buzz is.
Let’s remember that Baxter is over there; where Baxter goes, illness follows.
JustMe // November 2, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Hi JustMe,
Yes, I see it. I’m really not sure we can believe anything the WHO has to say.
Dr. Moshe was spot on; we never did find out what happened to him, did we? Some reports said that he was in jail in the U.S.; other reports were that he’d been deported to Israel.
What they’re doing over there with bugs is anybody’s guess.
I just look at the number of research scientists who have mysteriously died-the numbers are high-too high to be ignored.
Hi SueK,
Let me guess, the lower the socioeconomic status, the higher the morbidity and mortality.
Robert F Kennedy, Jr speaking at “Green the Vaccine” rally. Revealing.
Part 1 of 2
SueK,
Baxter is a walking Dr. Death…
Go here and vote people…..
At this point in time, which Republican could beat Barack Obama?
http://www.billoreilly.com/
Michelle // November 2, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Thanks for the article, Michelle-I hadn’t seen the 60 Minutes piece.
Super secret egg farms…hmmm. I just wonder how they’re growing those eggs, don’t you?
Just an aside, here. Vaccines have been made the same way (chix eggs) for a very long tine. There’s gotta be a better way; this is a painfully slow process and I’m sure someone is working out a way to speed up the process.
Until then, I suppose it’s the chix!
Hi, Maddie:
So sorry to hear about your father. Hope that he will be okay. Oh, assisted living is great. Our granny who was in her late 90s just loved that place. At first she didn’t want to leave her home, which is understandable, but she had dementia and had to because she would have blown herself up trying to heat her house with propane heaters. We had family members across the street walk over to her house and caught her turning on the heater without lighting it.
But she did wonderful in an assisted living place and had tons of friends there. Great food, too! We had gone there to eat with her several times. It was food fit for a king. She also had a privacy at times, that is, if she wished it. However, she loved the company and was the gal about town, so to speak. Just so sociable, it even helped her dementia a lot.
Margie,
I learned the same thing when I was in school, High school civics; though then it was no in the textbook, had to ask my teacher and it took him a week of looking in older books…
now if we could only find old copies of High School civics books with the NBC definition in them…that would be a find…
Any educators out there?
John Feeney…this is your territory!
Fernley Girl // November 2, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Hi Fernley Girl,
Right, the FluMist doesn’t contain Thimerosal (mercury) however, it is live (although weakened) virus, so it’s not recommended for pregnant women. There are other restrictions on it so it’s not for everyone.
part 2 of 2
Sue K,
I have only be able to find that Dr. Moshe was released from jail and deported. He held dual citizenships. Are you familiar with Jane Burgermeister’s lawsuit against Baxter? I think I gave you the link to her site. A noted and well respected journalist, she was fired from her job shortly after filing her suit.
Michelle // November 2, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Michelle,
This is a great letter and I’m glad it’s being sent.
More than likely however, there would have to be another trial…more delays, more waiting, more time for the DOJ to stall.
I do hope this has legs!
Sue K, gotta love it,
“Biostitutes”
from Robert Kennedy vids.
venice // November 2, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Yup, Venice, that seems to be the way it’s trending…
kittycat // November 2, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Hey Kitty,
You’ve got that right!
Too many ‘mistakes’ that shouldn’t have happened. If you’ve ever worked in a lab (I have) there’s no reason for this stuff to happen. Good scientists don’t make mistakes like this; they can, however, make ‘intentional mistakes’ and try to cover it up.
Baxter seems to be pretty adept at doing that.
JustMe // November 2, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Right, JustMe, and there were conflicting reports as to where he was, and even if Dr. Moshe was the same man arrested that day in the red Bug; I saw several photos of the arrested Dr. Moshe and the scientist Dr. Moshe and I can’t say with certainty that it was the same man.
Yes, I know about Jane’s case and am following it; I’m sorry she lost her job in the process but she probably expected that. She has stones of steel to pursue this and is calling out Baxter for everything that’s happened. This will be a landmark case against this Pharma giant, and I’m hoping with everything I’ve got that it goes forward. Harming people for profit and systematically removing them from the planet is unconscionable!
From Licensed investigator Susan Daniels to judge Carter
Dear Judge Carter:
I am the private investigator who contacted Dr. Orly Taitz when I found that Barack Obama has been using a bogus social security number for years, which is a felony. I have been a licensed investigator for almost fifteen years and recognized it immediately as fraudulent.
If you had allowed Discovery and required the SSA to release his alleged application for that number (and I do not believe such an application exists), you would have realized it, too. Numbers are issued to a person in the state where they are living. Between 1977-79 when it was issued, he was living in Hawaii not Connecticut.
I now realize that you always intended to dismiss the case, because that’s what you were ordered to do. You have bartered your integrity for a lofty position and a hefty pension. Shame on you.
The men and and women in the military will continue to die under the direction of someone who is not entitled to hold the position of Commander in Chief and who is nothing more than a Chicago thug with questionable loyalties.
Semper Fi? I think not.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=5725
Oh SueK,
What’s few more dead bugs on the face of the earth? Who’s counting?
Michelle Bachman is hitting a nerve …
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114846
‘Twin Towers’ warship enters NY
bbc article here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8337868.stm
Not to minimize the event and the tribute to the fallen, but something about the timing of this doesn’t sit right with me…apears on the scene at a time of another major collapse in our lives. I have my own theories about what this is about.
Hey, that is an islamic tower at the heart of the American Eagle…!
Michelle Bachmann ROCKS !!!!
What’s goin on dear citizen?
Is everything coming together or are we falling apart?
Where is Larry?
Is Larry posting anywhere?
How are you Dear citizen?
Rose
The other day I read that Madonna, in her ever so generous way is now building an all girl’s school in an African country, the name I can’t recall at present.
This is no different than what Oprah has done and Gates and Soros, you know send money to charity. It seems once you reach a level of wealth, one doesn’t quite know what to do with one’s time, except of course to figure out what to do with what you have (or don’t).
Many don’t conern themselves with what the truly wealthy do with their time, but seriously have you ever stopped to think? How many houses, cars, planes, antiques can a person have before they start looking elsewhere.
This is what plagues the financial oligarchy of our times. They talk about the world like it was a chess board, wondering how they can outmanoevre the other. And yet there is so much important work that can never be done singularily with money. It requires human toil, perseverance, courage, ingenuity and moral reserve.
I wish Madonna could go back to school and learn a skill that the world truly needs. She might then be contributing something of substance.. As for the oligarchs, it seems too late for them.
I apologize for my ramblings.
Val 9:49 pm
Good to see WND picked up the story. As many need to know as possible.
HEY WELLS,… I am on the phone with a town hall conversation with trent franks….. what do you want me to ask him right now?
It would seem our posts are no longer moderated
That’s nice
rosettasister,
Nice to see you again.
I read that you have closed down your blog. Is that true, and if so why?
CW please answer asap
. I am on the phone with a town hall conversation with trent franks….. what do you want me to ask him right now?
Venice,
Glenn also mentioned it on his TV show today.
I would LOVE to be there.
**sigh**
joyceaz,
CW can’t be reading the blog 24/7. He may be away for a little while. Can anybody help out?
Palin’s bold move…
yes,…. what question?
JustMe // November 2, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Ya, JustMe…Biostitutes. Priceless!
For once in my life, I can actually say that I agree with a Kennedy.
Just to confirm what he said about reports and falsifying data: I come from the wonderful world of Biotech and I’ve seen this first hand. At one of my companies, Principal Investigators (PAs) were directed to falsify clinical trial data to show that the drug/medical device worked when actually, it didn’t. Clinical trials take a lot of time (years) and megabucks to accomplish, and the CEOs of these companies were not about to have all that time and money flushed down the hopper, so they ‘created’ good results. What the public never heard about was how many people the drug or device harmed in the process. This company I worked for falsified data, and the benefactor (a national company you’d know) who was sponsoring them with millions of dollars pulled all the funding and my company was out of business the next day. Of course, the rank and file employees never knew what was going on.
Unfortunately, this is how it goes, so I do believe what RFK, Jr. has to say, and he’s 100% right about the Thimerosal, IMO.
Sad, isn’t it?
does anyone have a question for Trent FRanks,.. rep from district 2 in Arizona.
Venice
Oh no
Troy and others are taking over
We are in PRocess
In terms of why something else requires my PResence
So I will be sisterrosetta again
Thank you for taking notice
joyceaz,
Ask him what he thinks the people should do to stop the health bill?
been asked,….. he said it may be passed by the necular (sp) option.
Hey RosettaSister –
rosettasister // November 2, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What’s goin on dear citizen?
He’s always working!
Is everything coming together or are we falling apart?
Staying together as far as I can tell!
Where is Larry?
He has a new site. http://www.larrysinclair.com/
How are you?
Take care, Zach
he calls it marxism….. what is happening to our country right now.
Zach,
Do you have any questions for Joyceaz?
SueK re: Susan Daniels letter to the Judge. Don’t they always say on TV the lawyer is an “officer of the court” so Susan is a licensed private investigator who is licensed by courts. She has knowledge of a crime, so she is doing what she is required to do by law. I think she did all she could do, she advised the Judge re: a felonious crime. Let me know what you think.
he says that there is a court case to prove that what is happeing,…. is unconstitutional.
it sounds likes a few more are involved in this case.
joyceaz,
Ask him what is he doing specifically about the Constitution being under threat.
Sue K,
WRITE A BOOK! Timing is right.
I am familiar with what you say – clinical trials and data from working with my husband. Got a crash course. Disgusting isn’t it. Poor average Joe Public doesn’t have a clue. Keep posting the truth.
Thank you zachjonesishome
Ve know vere you live!
Rosa
I am waiting my turn. listening to Franks talk answering all questions.
joyceaz,
You may also want to ask him why the Repubs have yet to show strong leadership.
It great that you are there. The court case info is great. Hope you get the name of the case so we can follow it.
joyceaz // November 2, 2009 at 10:26 pm (edit)
I am waiting my turn. listening to Franks talk answering all questions.
Thanks Zach,
Feel like I’m on my own here.
venice,…. will try to do.
joyceaz,
question him about the specific connections of the healthcare bill to the Copenhagen Treaty.
Supposedly they are intrinsically & thus far inexplicably linked.
SueK-I used to work for an aircraft company-engines and parts. If we took the attitude of the drug company you worked for-planes would be dropping out of the sky—by extension cars, trains, helicopters, ships. Corruption in anything is not the way to go. They always think that they can get away with it. Obama and criminals come to mind.
Joyceaz,
I think Zach’s question might be the most important right now. I agree, see if you can get the name of the case.
I assumed most know about this case, but I guess not.
JustMe,
At a guess, they are intimately linked. Once you have control of health care, you have pretty much control of a person’s life and every decision they make. It’s a must to advance a NWO.
SueK, Kittycat, & Venice,
Thank you all for your words of concern
for my dad. It is a tough time for him and
us wanting to do what is best. It has become
obvious now that Assisted Living is the best
route. The doctor told him that today after
he “sewed up” his arm from the fall.
I think he is going to be going quickly from
cane/walker to wheel chair. Thanks guys,
you are like family. Best, Maddie.
Huckabee to Sean H. …
talking about obama’s lack of experience…
Huck: He hasn’t managed anything,
not even a “Sno-Cone Stand!”
I got to talk to the governor of massachusetts the other day. He answered my question in front of 300 people at a luncheon, The question was. Lexington was the first town of the shot heard round the world,when will the stimulus shot be heard around the state. He basically rattled off a few stats and finally said go to massgov the easy way out. this was after he anoucced 2000 job cuts. He later ask me did i answer the question? I said we need more businesses staying in the state and not fleeing the state and more jobs. he said i know
OldSalt77–
check your e-mail.
Maddie.
just me,….. he said we have forgotten what we should have stood up for….. we NOW realize just how bad things can get when we forget what we believe in. we have to get back to reality….. and he thinks people are waking up.
Lexington/Concord— venue for the
next “Revolution”—just an idea
Me and my son have H1N1, even though we’ve been taking D3 for a few months. My son is 12, I’ve been giving him 2000 IUs a day, I’ve been taking 3000 IUs. Maybe not enough…? Been down hard for two days, but at least my lungs are still clear…
I still am waiting to talk to him. just trying to tell you all important things as he tells them
He believes that homeland security is un-seige…. and also that our borders need to be controlled.
I was unable to get to talk to him… But, he wants all that were unable to ask questions to call his office and/or email him with the questions. So, I will ask him about that court case for Zach. I too agree that that was something exciting to hear.
I was impressed with his answers. He is not happy with what is happening in our Country. He wants everyone to contact their rep and senators. I wanted to ask him how he felt about Michelle Bachmans HIGH NOON invite to the American people at the Capital. I will.
his email address is trent@trentfranks.com
Kim,
Generally the most serious complications come up early, in the first few days, so it sounds like you’re very sick but safe.
Hey, Maddie, we’ve been there where you’re standing right now. And honestly, it is an extremely difficult decision because you have to put yourself in their shoes, which could be right around the corner for every one of us in the time to come. Hopefully they will still have assisted living centers and not assisted death centers when we get there.
It’s hard telling someone that they have to leave their home. Home is where you really do hang your heart! But many times the elderly find so many friends there because honestly, it can get so lonely when you’re elderly. You miss being out when you can get out, you miss visits of young folks, family visits, then most of all, friends your age. So there’s good things about it. The elderly need friends in a big way, I guess, just like the rest of us but maybe even more so.
Before Granny went to live in assisted living, I was staying with her half-days. I would work half a day, then stay with her when I got off at around 12 noon, sometimes it was like 11:30. During those hours, the home health people came and checked up on her, bathed her, etc. and visited with her. Sometimes they were still there when I got there. Granny loved their visits because she loved to talk and got lonely. The rest of the time when I was there, I would help her clean a little bit, fix her lunch or help her when the people came to deliver her meals on wheels, then most of all we visited the rest of the day until I had to leave around 5:00, 5:30.
joyceaz,
I was wondering the same about Bachmann’s high noon. Good for you for making the effort.
Michelle,
Thanks for posting SD’s letter. I’m glad she sent it. I knew there was a highly questionable SS#
that had already been identified. Hope this makes an impact with Judge Carter—it’s the law.
Maddie-I just remembered something 2 different friends of mine, when their children turned 18 they went to work in 2 different assisted living facilities-one a boy, one a girl. Surprise the kids LOVED the jobs. They loved the “old” people and had a blast with them. After my girlfriends daughters wedding, she and the entire entourage had to go the the facility because she promised the people that they would come. Nowadays those places that seemed so much like prisons are more open and that’s a good thing. Mix up all the ages as much as you can.
Hi Kittycat,
Thank you for your description about how your granny and you handled the situation of growing old and having more needs on a day-to-day basis. It sounds like your granny had (or should I say has) a good outlook on life and new adventures (Assisted Living and accepting help).
It was wonderful that she had you to co-ordinate everything everyday. I’m glad to hear that people do like the A. L. setting and make friends and having good food sure doesn’t hurt either! I’m hoping my parents come around. My dad definately needs the change of environment and trained help that comes with it. Thanks Kittycat. Your words help. Maddie.
Michelle // November 2, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Agreed, Michelle, but I’m not sure if she’s an attorney, too? If so, she would indeed be an officer of the court.
Yes, she does have knowledge (and the proof!) that a crime has been committed.
Let’s see what, if anything, Carter does with it. This is all uncharted territory!
Maddie–I just happen to come on after being off for quite a few days. Sorry to learn about your father. My prayers for all of you, especially that God will give your father and mother the grace to accept a move so they can be safe…and, for your sake, so you will have some peace of mind in their regard. God bless you.
All–Sorry, my time is very limited right now. Will be on when I can. Thanks again for all your prayers.
Venice,
over the weekend I listened to an Internet radio broadcast of someone new to me.
What he had to say was quite interesting, though I was struggling with the flow of his information…obviously in his head it all made perfect sense.
Nonetheless he was tracking the healthcare bill/reform back to what will ultimately be decided & implemented at Copenhagen.
He said social influences will influence the ability to get healthcare – euro style socialism – which we know. He also indicated the healthcare bill was a diversion to what will be decided in Copenhagen.
He briefly touched on the case of the constitutionality of the healthcare reform. He referenced an historical case US vs Comstock challenging congressional authority.
There’s more that he covered that would be of interest, but I have to find my notes and decipher them so as to post perhaps tomorrow.
I think you would be interested in his broadcast. He’s only on Sunday. I had alerted you this past Sunday, taking a chance you’d see it, though I knew your focus was on the healthcare bill.
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?page_id=5 Dr. Winn Parker
Show Time: Sundays, 10:00 AM – 12:00 NOON CST
Dr. Winn Parker Ph.D. (M.T.) (ASCP) is a licensed medical clinical scientist for clinical laboratory pathology research and development in biomedicine.
He is a many-years as a Grant reviewer for corporate and government grants for emerging technologies and an intellectual property valuator and peer-reviewer of what is inside the Washington D.C. beltway where global decisions are made about our bodies and foods and health. He discusses what is in your path to advance and threatens your wallet and threatens your health.
Profound & moving what he said at the end and quoting an inscription at the base of the ruins (i believe):
We have to stand as the Mayans did. “We lost our sun, our energy – we had to move to another planet”…when you’re ready and you have to get off your planet you’ll figure a way to do it. We have to change mentally the way we look at things. We have to get another way to live on this planet and we need a plan to do it.
JustMe // November 2, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Ya, JustMe, no time right now for my ‘memoirs,’ but some day.
I know this happens all over but the whistleblowers are afraid to sing. Corruption runs pretty deep, so folks have to expose it one case at a time.
Nobody really knows what’s going on out there until you see it for yourself; the public takes the brunt of the deceit.
Kim said:
Me and my son have H1N1, even though we’ve been taking D3 for a few months. My son is 12, I’ve been giving him 2000 IUs a day, I’ve been taking 3000 IUs. Maybe not enough…? Been down hard for two days, but at least my lungs are still clear…
_________________________________
All you have to do to kill the H1N1 virus, is go to the health food store and get some Colloidal Silver. Did you forget?
Michelle,
I’m glad you wrote—yes, mix up the ages is a theory I believe in as well. I know they want to see the baby of the family (5 yr. old now)—they keep toys at their house for him. So, strange as it
may be, I will see that the toys go to Assisted L. also for when he visits (and he would love running up and down the halls—but maybe not a good idea—but could play in other common areas). I think they’ll come around. I’m excited because they’d be much closer to me, and I’m going to set up the decorating, etc. and plan some craft projects for my mom. I think it will be fun for everyone—like being on “vacation.”
Kim,
Have you tried the honey and apple cider vinegar? If not SueK has the exact dosage.
I’ve been putting it on bread (about a tablespoon
of each) and do that about every 2-3 hours.
It has kept me from full blown illness so far.
The South, I have some (colloidal silver) sitting on the counter but am scared to try it after SueK had a bad reaction to it!
Kim // November 2, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Hey Kim,
Sorry to read that you and your son are down.
If it were me, I’d increase the D to 5,000-8,000 I.U.s and have someone pick up some Sambucol, honey and organic apple cider vinegar. Tylenol or whatever you take as a fever reducer.
That should help. Please feel better, you two!
Maddie,
It was my husband’s granny, but she was like a grandmother that I never had. I never knew my grandparents as they were deceased. Well, except for my maternal grandfather who I got to know when I was young. He was nice, but he was always very ill.
Our Granny passed away in 1999. She was 97. I got to take care of her for a while at her home, but then later, that’s when she went to assisted living before she got too bad. Then after a year or so, we took her in and she just had become so much worse with her dementia. It’s sad, but she got to where she didn’t know who we were most of the time and it was hard to get her to take her meds, then to get her to eat. Well, unfortunately she had to go to a nursing home, where she only lived a few more months. We hated losing her, but at that point she needed professional help. Also at that point, she really didn’t know all the grandkids, period, and great-grandchildren. Mentally she was back on the farm with PawPaw, which at the time was about 50+ years previously. Well, when she was there, she was happy, though.
Regardless, I wouldn’t have given up the time spending with her. My husband and I after we were first married, would sit on her front porch late at night during the summertime and tell stories. She had some goodies from the olden days when she was a little girl out on the farm. She would just wear us young folks out talking and talking and talking and we’d say, Granny, it’s 1:00 a.m., time for bed! Haahaa!
Then years ago she and I would sit and crochet together or sew. Later in life she couldn’t do it any longer because her hands would shake so badly. Well, we had a good time.
Venice,
forgot to include this in what Dr. Parker said…indications are everything is moving away from U.S. to U.N. – we see this loud and clear in this “pandemic” with the WHO calling the shots and “O’s” appointment to the U.N. – a first.
twe—thank you for your posting thoughts and
the prayers. It is tough.
Iwould like to know how your mother is doing.
She is in my prayers as well. God bless and thank you. Take care. Maddie.
VIDEO : Rep. Virginia Foxx Healthcare bill bigger threat than terrorism
Maddie, yes, I’ve been drinking it, hot water, ACV and local honey. I am used to the taste now, but my son doesn’t like it…
Taking tsps of Nature’s Way sambucus throughout the day…yum!
Sent Congressman Franks a note asking for action on the following
(HR450) Enumerated Powers Act of 2009 . Only 17 co-sponsors as of Jan this year. Pathetic, needs action now.
Rush Holt Gun Registration Act . NO NO NO
The Usurpers qualifications to be an ART 2 NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Where is the proof?
Treason committed by every member of congress by not qualifying Chairman Maobama.
We are watching and are fully awake out here.
Please dump the Marxist (HR 3200) and any commie bill like it. We don’t want this “change”.
Respectfully
xxxxx xxxxxx
Kittycat,
What wonderful memories you shared. It is remarkable that your granny made it to 97!
Isn’t it amazing how older folks remember the past so clearly and have trouble with recent events?
Thanks Kittycat, you’re the best.
Kim.
SueK had a Herxheimer reaction because the silver was attacking and killing her virus. It’s basically flu like symptoms, which is pretty much what you’re more than likely experiencing now?
I guess it’s something everyone has to weigh out themselves. You can fight the flu/virus and hope it goes away, or you can take the silver and kill it in it’s tracks.
At least you know as a last resort, if you’re on your death bed, you can always take the silver.
It might make you feel bad for a day, but atleast you know there’s a magic bullet if you need it.
I just emailed Rep Trent Franks.
I asked him about that court case in regards to the Administration and Democrats doing things that are un-Constitutional. I also asked him how he felt about Michelle Bachmans high noon party at the Capital on Thursday.
I asked him why the Supreme Court of the Land would turn its back on the Constitution and not listen to “WE THE PEOPLE”/ why would anyone spend 1.6 million $ on hiding his records if he didn’t have anything to hide. I told him that we have been asking that question for many months without an answer.
I asked him to help us save of country from this fraud in the whitehouse.
I know I will hear back,… but it may take a few weeks. I will post it as soon as I get it.
Kim,
Do you have a temp?
LM,
I would go so far as to say the healthcare bill IS terrorism.
joyceaz,
way to go! Thank you.
Remember Jane Burgermeister? The one who has the birdflu666 blog?
Here’s what she has to say about Colloidal Silver.
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/us-government-to-spend-billions-on-toxic-injections-for-the-2009-h1n1-virus/
Video: Neil Cavuto On Bill O’Reilly – The Worst Piece Of Legislation Ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01PUCy8Bhc
JoyceAZ—
Please let us know if you get a reply. Sounds like you covered all bases on your e-mail.
Yes, please let us know either way. We are
all watching what these politicians stand for!
Maddie–thank you for your prayers. My mother is better this week. Last week, she was not too well again…sleeping, or near sleeping, for about three days. I had to drop water into her mouth to keep her hydrated. She ate very little. Now, she is better and alert and eating well again. We went through the same sort of thing the week before. She doesn’t know my name but knows my face. Last night, she didn’t know my father’s name, until I tried a different variation of it. Tonight, she knows his name. We never really know how it is going to be from one day to the next. Thank you again for your concern.
Well, Maddie, it was because of her dementia, which is similar to Alzheimer’s, I think. It’s not the same thing, but causes some of the same type of problems.
A friend of mine, his mother had Alzheimer’s and it is just so strange. She was always kind of thin in her weight, but when she was in the nursing home, family would come and bring her food and she’d eat. Well, she was putting on weight and the family didn’t know why. Turns out she was eating dinner at the NH, then the family brought her food a little while later and she had forgotten that she ate. So she was eating double the amount of normal.
Then she had smoked for many, many years. The Alzheimer’s had made her forget that she smoked. I’ll tell you what, though, you don’t want either dementia or Alzheimer’s. She really did forget her family and most everything else. At least Granny could remember her past, even though she kind of lived in it most of the time before she passed away. And Granny was a very strong lady, small, but extremely strong. Up in her mid-90s, she was taking walks and maybe walking 2 miles per day on some days. It’s just her mind was gone.
JustMe 11:18pm
Did note your post and I will get to it soon. As for the U.N., yes it appears that increasingly that is where the centre of power will be, is hasn’t been for some time already. Though it seems for now that China is not a big player with the U.N. China is the country to keep an eye, bc of their economic strength. The Chinese are also very patient people.
This is why I’m not sure the U.N. will yield as much power as they would like.
We have to get away as much as possible from trying to establish where absolute power exists. Yes is a hierarchy of levels, with different players, but that is a changing dynamic that can be influenced with little short notice.
My ideas currently are that the BRIC countries are forming a wall of resistance against as Tarpley refers to the Anglo-American oligarchy. I haven’t read that anywhere, just my thinking.
There is a third entity forming its own resistance and that is the Islamo-Fascist group. Everybody wants a NWO, but on their terms. The question is who is Obama really aligned with. My guess is not Anglo-American, but he Islamo-Fascist. This is why I think things are not going well for him. Again this is too simplified, but it’s a start. Any ideas?
SueK–
SD is a licensed P.I. in Ohio–that’s what she’s told me when I’ve spoken to her–no mention about being an attorney though I didn’t ask that question.
The South,
The silver has knocked out “stuff” for me & my family a couple of times already. I take it along with Olive Leaf Extract and all the other supplements talked about here.
Before I had the Silver, I experienced the same thing with Olive Leaf Extract. There’s a place locally that offers it in a custom liquid formulation. Otherwise you can buy the tincture yourself and create your own. I don’t take the caps/tablets – not as immediate effect IMHO.
Google it, for those unfamiliar, you’ll be surprised.
My husband researched the Olive Leaf (and the Silver) and was very surprised & delighted. It’s his first Rx for me if I’m starting to feel a bit yucky.
Ok, the South, I’ll try a couple of drops…I don’t want to wait until I’m on my death bed!!!
In White House Vs. Fox News War Of Words, Who Gets Your Vote?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/10/in_white_house_vs_fox_news_war.html
Kim,
If you were on your way to your death bed, you wouldn’t be posting on this blog. I know you have a real dandy, but it sounds like you’ll pull out of this. If you get too frightened it will aggravate your condition. Try to calm down.
Kittycat,
That is fascinating. There are some similarities here I think. My mom is very small (thin–finally got her up to 103-105 fully dressed with shoes and that is up from 90). She can walk pretty well, too, but does have a little balance problem going on. I told her she’d get better exercise at A.L., too. They have a talking path around the facility and a wooded area on the side with a big courtyard in the middle at the back. I know dementia has set in for both of them. It is scary.
Kim–I would follow SueK’s advice. Every time I sneeze, or am next to someone who does, or coughs, or evidences some sign of illness, I take another high dose D3. So far, so good, thanks be to God.
JustMe, glad you’re using the Silver!
Kim, put a few teaspoons under your tongue, and hold it there for a few minutes, then swallow it.
Take the Silver like that a few times a day (3-4) or if you really want to knock the virus out quick, breathe it through a nebulizer.
Breathing the silver gets it in your bloodstream immediately, and will kill the Influenza virus quick.
Good luck!
Kim,
keep up that honey, too. I’m eating more than necessary, but it is helping a lot.
I hit the anti-ocidents like blueberries, cherries, dark fruits in general, green tea, and I do GatorAde also. Hope you feel better soon.
Stay hydrated.
Venice,
I think you are spot on. But, as you say it changes daily – just to keep us on our toes & throw us off.
As important as the focus is on the healthcare bill, I think/hope perhaps it can be taken care of in the courts. Not holding my breath, though. I also have a little confidence in the state’s being able to resist this dictate at our behest. Maybe just wishful thinking….
Copenhagen and state’s sovereignty are the two areas that need our immediate attention.
Alex said today in a voice/tone very similar to Glenn Beck today…time is running out quickly. They both know 45 days is all we really have left to stop this thing. Alex more verbose & specific than Beck’s warning of the rain is coming and it’s time to build an arc. Lindsey Williams on his DVD’s was brought to tears. It’s almost too much to witness.
My eyes are crossing. Will write more tomorrow.
It’s good to be able to have this exchange with you.
twe—thank you for the update on your mother.
It sounds like she is doing better. Your care is definately helping I’m sure. She is lucky to have you. I’m glad to hear that eating has picked up—that is always an issue. Take care and send our best to your mom from us here on the blog.
Best, Maddie.
Venice, I was being sarcastic because the South was so dire…I keep my sense of humor no matter how sick I am! 🙂
good night all, you guys are always great.
Luv ‘ya all, Maddie.
Thanks, everyone for all the good advice!
Maddie and kittycat–on top of the Parkinsons, my mother also has dementia. My father has Alzheimers, which is a type of dementia. I’ll take the straight up dementia over Alzheimers any day. They both rob the mind and memory, but Alzheimers is really devastating. Although my mother has dementia, she can still follow a complex argument–in the moment–but is not able to tell you about it two minutes later. She can follow discourses in different languages, etc, as well. Besides the decreased mental capacity, my father has judgment issues, and anger issues. He will tell you right is left and left is right and is convinced he just told you the opposite. He argues against us and against himself. He sometimes literally doesn’t know enough to come in out of the rain unless it’s pouring out. He won’t dress warmly enough for cold weather. The list is near endless. Good thing he isn’t driving anymore. I love both of them dearly…but, oh my! This stuff does a number on folks.
JustMe-LM @ 11:36 pm
re: Healthcare Terrorist Bill
and that would make those who initiated it, sponsored it, and are trying to shove it through Congress Terrorists (by extension) take that Nancy Pelosi.
Just a little note: Vitamin D3 only supports the immune system, it DOES NOT kill any viruses.
Jasmine, Fruit berries, the yellow rose of Texas, maple leaves, ginger root, garlic, green leaf extract, honey, vitamin E, alfalfa sprouts, leprechan eggs, frog hair, white willow extract, Korean bonzai root of ginseng extract, or a brand new set of Michelin snow tires.
WILL NOT KILL VIRUSES!
Colloidal Silver attacks the oxygen supply of the virus and kills it, dead ……. DEAD! No second chances, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00.
DEAD!
All these backyard, ginger root and honey concoctions, will not kill the H1N1.
Take the Colloidal Silver to kill the virus, and take the other to support the immune system.
Peace
Maddie-SueK-Linda from NY-this ladies entire business is built on honesty and integrity or she would be unable to get into any court. More on web-site
http://www.clevelandseniors.com/people/susandaniels.htm
Susan Daniels
If Sam Spade had been Samantha:
Cleveland’s Female Private Eye
Charlie’s Angels. Pepper Anderson. Jessica Fletcher. These are the names that come to mind when you talk about women P.I.’s – private investigators.
Another name to consider and add to this list is the real life Private Investigator, Susan Daniels. “Like any other job, you learn how to do it. Most of it is common sense and not really very mysterious.”
She says that most investigators are not really social beings, but appear to be. She says this description applies to her too. “You deal with a lot of people, but it’s short term. They are people you never see again.”
Susan is a self-described loner, so this is a good business for her, “I work best with very little direction.”
Susan works almost entirely for law firms. Whether it is criminal defense work or civil litigation, she is hired to help the firm win their case. She has worked for both the prosecution and the defense in cases involving such things as insurance fraud. She is also called on often to locate missing people and “95% of the time I’m successful
A lot of Susan’s business relies on knowing the right people – and she does. She belongs to every professional organization she could get into, including groups like The Metro Crime Clinic (all investigators or police officers) and The Federal Criminal Investigators Association. She was recently approved as an associate member of the Cuyahoga County Police Chief’s Association.
Darn! Nobody said to drink McDonald’s shakes! Oh well, feels good on my throat…
twe,
Glad to read that Mom’s a bit better-I guess you need to do whatever makes her feel better. Of course, nutrition is important and as we’d discussed, if she wants Mickey D’s French fries, she gets them.
She’s still in my prayers and will remain there. God bless her and your entire family.
Maddie // November 2, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Hi Maddie,
I know you’ve left for the night, but I’m not sure what Susan’s status would be. I guess we wait and see.
BTW, prayers going out to you and both your parents-it’s a tough situation, I know. Hang in and keep talking about assisted living; hopefully, they’ll come to the realization that you’re right!
Even Pravda knows, I’ll be damned!
http://english.pravda.ru/science/health/30-04-2009/107477-Colloidal_silver-0
Off topic, but is a smile generator!….
I missed this one back Sept 2008 & stumbled upon it this evening.
5:00 minutes into the video, you can hear & see Larry Sinclair on his bullhorn yelling. Alex Jones was there with a bullhorn too & one of his people caught it on tape & posted it! Too funny! XD
We Are CHANGE Interrupts MSNBC
Venice, et al
here is the last hour of Alex Jones’ show today covering the Global Copenhagen Treaty. Critical listening.
Podcast #4
[audio src="http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/alex/1102094.mp3" /]
He says we have only 35 days to stop this total loss of our sovereignty. He believes, after going through the document, this is the end of our republic – end of our sovereignty!
He credits his colleague, Jason Burmas, for going through the treaty page by page. He’s back on tomorrow again talking about this.
http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/precious-metals-worthy-buying-now/
2 Precious metals that look to be good investments
sorry there was a typo in that link…
the correct link is
Snopes.com-neighborhood Obot caught snooping again
My favorite resource, Dr. Blaylock a Neurosurgeon, discusses his research having followed this H1N1 from the beginning in Mexico. Advises against pregnant women being vaccinated.
part 1 of 3 – other 2 videos on Youtube
Matrix producer to promote Islam in West
Kim,
It helps to read all the posts, LOL. I might have caught on…. glad at least you had a good laugh.
Call Congress and promote Barack Obama and Larry Sinclair book order http://www.amazon.com
How Joe Biden became VP CHAPTER 12
Axelrod payoff to have lie decetor test rigged
documented
Hear you can’t put it down.Easy read
maddie: This one’s for you!
Strong Words
Secretary Clinton addresses her controversial comments on Pakistan with Greta…
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=11243490&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
Trust Deficit
Secretary Clinton on War on Terror with Greta
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=11243490&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5A14UK20091103
Not one but two vaccine shots for children under 9 yrs!
Michelle: This one’s for you!
Taking care of the home folks – Chicago style
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/taking_care_of_the_home_folks.html
Val: This one’s for you!
Conversation with my teenager
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/conversation_with_my_teenager_1.html
Connecting the dots of Obama’s falling polls
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/connecting_the_dots_of_obamas.html
An O-Care victory will make him more narcissistic
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/an_ocare_victory_will_make_him.html
The least of our worries…
This Is It – Act NOW to Defeat the Pelosi Government-Forced Health Insurance Bill in the House
http://capwiz.com/eagleforum/issues/alert/?alertid=14283186&queueid=%5Bcapwiz:queue_id%5D
venice: Sue K warned us about this “two shot” scenario. One is bad enough; but two? That’s frightening! Thanks for sharing!
I am concerned about children getting shots in school without parental consent.
I just got this from my “Neighborhood Watch” Captain. Thought it might help others discern…
Know the Symptoms of the H1N1 Flu and a Cold
THIS IS A KEEPER (print it out and pass it on).
H1N1 flu is about to be upon us and we need to be on top of information regarding it.
Here is a comparison of H1N1 to normal cold symptoms.
Symptom
Cold
H1N1 Flu
FEVER
Fever is rare with a common cold.
Fever is usually present with the flu in up to 80% of all flu cases. A temperature of 100°F or higher for 3 to 4 days is associated with the flu.
COUGHING
A hacking, productive (mucus- producing) cough is often present with a cold.
A non-productive (non-mucus producing) cough is usually present with the flu (sometimes referred to as dry cough).
ACHES
Slight body aches and pains can be part of a cold.
Severe aches and pains are common with the flu.
STUFFY NOSE
Stuffy nose is usually present with a cold and typically resolves spontaneously within about a week.
Stuffy nose is not commonly present with the flu.
CHILLS
Chills are uncommon with a cold.
60% of people who have the flu experience chills.
TIREDNESS
Tiredness is fairly mild with a cold.
Tiredness is moderate to severe with the flu.
SNEEZING
Sneezing is commonly present with a cold.
Sneezing is not common with the flu.
SUDDEN SYMPTOMS
Cold symptoms tend to develop over a few days.
The flu has a rapid onset within 3-6 hours. The flu hits hard and includes sudden symptoms like high fever, aches and pains.
HEADACHE
A headache is fairly uncommon with a cold.
A headache is very common with the flu, and is present in 80% of flu cases.
SORE THROAT
Sore throat is almost always present with a cold.
Sore throat is not commonly present with the flu.
CHEST DISCOMFORT
Chest discomfort is mild to moderate with a cold.
Chest discomfort is often severe with the flu.
The only way to stop the spread of the epidemic is to spread the awareness.
If you have flu symptoms, stay home. Do not put other people’s health in danger.
venice: Your thoughts on the following will be appreciated…I thought it was fascinating.
‘Net neutrality’ nets out to government control
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/net_neutrality_nets_out_to_gov.html
Shocker. New Video Surfaces Showing Obama’s Pastor & Mentor Praising Marxism… This Year
Once again… Thank you state-run media for vetting the radical candidate Obama.
Accuracy in Media reported on Rev. Jeremiah G-D AmeriKKKa Wright’s speech from the September 17, 2009, anniversary celebration of Monthly Review,
Wright is being introduced in the video by Robert W. McChesney, co-founder of Free Press, an organization which has come under scrutiny for its links to the Obama Administration and dedication to the transformation and control of the private media in the U.S.
In an article in the socialist Monthly Review, “Journalism, Democracy, and Class Struggle,” McChesney declared, “Our job is to make media reform part of our broader struggle for democracy, social justice, and, dare we say it, socialism.”
In the video, which captures Wright’s appearance at a September 17, 2009, anniversary celebration of Monthly Review, Wright said that while the “corporate media” provide a “binary lens” of the world, in such terms as “communist versus Christian,” Monthly Review offers what it calls “no-nonsense Marxism.”
He added: “You dispel all the negative images we have been programmed to conjure up with just the mention of that word socialism or Marxism.”
He called America “land of the greed and home of the slave.”
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/controversial-new-video-of-obamas-pastor/
By sdasid on October 28th, 2009
I know we are not a partisan group, but those races are really critical….
http://www.thewoodlandsteaparty.com/2009/10/28/i-know-we-are-not-a-partisan-group-but-those-races-are-really-critical%E2%80%A6/
Taxpayers soon to foot the bill for the FHA’s debt
http://www.examiner.com/x-20286-Business-News-Examiner~y2009m11d2-Taxpayers-soon-to-foot-the-bill-for-the-FHAs-debt
Let the Landslide Begin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2377271/posts
Democrats admit paying for pro-Daggett call; Obama records robocall for Corzine
http://www.politickernj.com/matt-friedman/34725/democrats-admit-paying-pro-daggett-call-obama-records-robocall-corzine
Well election day is here. Gonna go vote soon, for what it’s worth. My daughter is on her way to polls now, before work. Rush says no way a repub. can win in a close race. That’s where the thiefs will find a way to steal it. All of a sudden, this morning Corzine is ahead? There has to be a reason corzine put that law in effect last July making it easier for people to vote via absentee ballot. What a snake.
joyceaz.
“Submitted on 2009/11/02 at 10:08pm
CW please answer asap
. I am on the phone with a town hall conversation with trent franks….. what do you want me to ask him right now?”
Sorry I missed you.
However, you all know the questions to ask.
Good job!
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OBAMA CARE: OPERATION HOUSE CALL BEGINS 11-03-09 1:30 PM
http://ceciliatrentopines.blogspot.com/2009/11/obama-care-operation-house-call-begins.html
TURN ON MSNBC NOW-GORE LOOKS LIKE A WOODEN PUPPET FROM TEAM AMERICA
Yikes!
Coming Elections: At least 20 states will be using electronic Sequoia voting systems (A Venezuelan company with strong ties to Hugo Chavez) at polling stations
http://www.repubx.com/
Obama: “Fixing” New Jersey for Jon Corzine?
http://www.repubx.com/
Linda-They should be getting rid of those machines, not adding more! I think my blood pressure just went up a notch. I better put my muzzle on when I go vote.
CW & all- Thanks for covering the corruption & voter fraud here in NJ. You have really done a terrific job of exposing it!
Linda-about that link “fixing NJ for Corzine”, I think there will be alot of angry people here if he wins. He was so far behind months ago, it’s hard to imagine that the race is so close now. We will know it was dirty tricks.
Don’t know if this has been posted. This guy says Rev Manning was banned from youtube for speaking against Homosexuality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8-R90Kef3A
Nancy,
Yesterday on Beck he had a guy on talking about the absentee ballot situation in NJ. He said this has never been allowed before. They can bring the ballot to the homes of illegals and have them fill them out. He also said he talked to someone who never requested an absentee ballot and come to find out someone had filled out HIS ballot – not him.
This am on Fox & Friends Karl Rove said things can get a little strange when the Dems are running a tight race. ????
2008 all over again!
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Val // November 3, 2009 at 10:04 am
Nancy,
Yesterday on Beck he had a guy on talking about the absentee ballot situation in NJ. He said this has never been allowed before. They can bring the ballot to the homes of illegals and have them fill them out. He also said he talked to someone who never requested an absentee ballot and come to find out someone had filled out HIS ballot – not him.
This am on Fox & Friends Karl Rove said things can get a little strange when the Dems are running a tight race. ????
2008 all over again!
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Let’s hope Christie demands an investigation and they make sure the SEIU and the ACORN NUTS are not doing any funny stuff!!
Al Gore looked like the M.C. in the black tuxedo-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7pHSHhObcE
Good Morning CW!
Trent Franks had an informative Phone TownHall last night. I was not informed of it prior to the call from the 202 #. It lasted for over 2 hrs. I was not called that early. I was able to listen for 1 hr (aprox). He was expressing his discontent & fear of this administration, and where obama is trying to lead us. He said that the dems will use the nuclear option to drive this bill thru congress. He mention the words Marxism,… and Socialism many times. This bill will destroy our Country, bankrupt it for sure.
Wants people to call their congressmen/women,… let them know again and again that we do not want it. That is the only way to stop them. Mr Franks expressed the interest in hearing from The American People, wanted them to call the 202 # and/or email, snail mail,…. what ever source you had.
I emailed him a long message. Expressed the appreciation to be able to know that he is willing to help stop this destruction of America. If you want that email…. I will send it to you.
I also tried to write the important points that he talked about in a summary. He is A GOOD GOD FEARING MAN…… common sense kinna guy.
Thanks CW.
Joyce
Video: Democrat Senator: I’m “not sure” why Tim Geithner still has a job
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/11/02/video-democrat-senator-im-not-sure-why-tim-geithner-still-has-a-job/
Video: Meet President Obama’s Most Frequent White House Visitor
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/blog/id.3668/blog_detail.asp
SueK–thanks for your kind words last night. Thanks for your prayers. Oh yes, she loves the fried stuff! So, she gets the fried stuff. She is very fond of chicken nuggets and french fries.
WOW….even the Huffington Post is criticizing the FRAUD….WTH!!!!!
Found at……
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style_b_342269.html
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Psychologist and neuroscientist; Emory University Professor
Posted: November 2, 2009 11:38 AM
Leadership, Obama Style
It’s been a year since that exhilarating night last year when we heard the news that Barack Obama would be our next president. Over the course of that year, we have seen the leadership style of our new president.
Some say it is too early to tell; he’s only been in office for a little over nine months. But that’s a very literal view of leadership. Sure, we won’t know the outcomes of many of his decisions for years. We won’t know, for example, if the health care reform bill he ultimately signs really turns out to be “budget-neutral” ten years from now. But we can see how he let its budget-neutrality become the central theme of the debate and the way he has tacitly or explicitly supported, or failed to support, different aspects of that legislation, including ways of paying for it that either do or don’t come out of the pockets of working and middle class Americans — the same people who are just seeing their health care premiums raised by a third in anticipation by the health insurance companies. And in that sense, I think we have seen the clear outlines of Obama’s approach to leadership.
Genuine leadership means setting the agenda. It means taking tough stands. It means telling people the truth forcefully and evocatively in a way that makes them want to listen and act. It means drawing lines in the sand when you must, and refusing to compromise your values even if you have to compromise on some of the policies born of those values when you have no other choice. It means fighting for what you believe in and taking on powerful vested interests when people’s lives and livelihoods are at stake. And it means looking backward at the past so you don’t make the same mistakes, looking sideways at alternatives so you know your options, and using that vision to move the nation forward.
Leadership is a quality Barack Obama showed on the campaign trail. It is a quality he has failed to show as president.
Before readers start generating caveats and apologies, let me be clear. What he has done is to set a national agenda, and an ambitious one at that. He inherited an economy in tatters and a world doubting our commitment to values we have always embodied imperfectly but earnestly. He made it his first priority to pass a stimulus package and his second to take on health care reform. He signed some executive orders and bills into law that had languished on the desk of a conservative ideologue for years. And he has spoken to the world in a way that has restored their faith in America, at least for now.
But with the exception of his unique capacity to speak to people on the street in every corner of the globe (not an inconsequential skill in a global village), we need to evaluate his leadership not primarily in comparison to George W. Bush, who historians are already putting in the league of Ulysses S. Grant while inebriated, or even John McCain, but against the other Democrats who would have beaten McCain after the stock market crashed and the economy collapsed in mid September if Obama had not won the nomination. And that is where we start to get a picture of Obama as a leader.
The reality is that any Democrat would have followed the basic dictates of Keynesian economics in January 2009 and passed a large stimulus bill with the help of a heavily Democratic Congress — but no one else would have traded 200 billion in infrastructure and jobs for the chimera of bipartisanship that Obama oddly continues to pursue even while he remains unable to get a Republican vote on anything, no matter what concessions he offers. Every Democrat would have signed the Children’s Health bill (“S-CHIP”) and ended the immoral policy of denying children health care. And every other Democrat would have gone after Wall Street with a vigor we have not seen from this president, who prefers to place past and future crimes off limits under the banner of “look forward, not back,” and give out credit like candy to the banks at zero percent interest while allowing them to quadruple the interest on the credit cards of people who would still be employed and able to make their original payments had it not been for the malfeasance of the same banks that are now throwing them out of their homes.
We can argue policy specifics, but my point here is about process, not substance. Leadership is not about saying, “me, too.” It is not about waiting until Congress finally passes a hate crimes bill that makes slaughtering a gay kid a real crime, or waiting for Congress to end don’t-ask/don’t tell — when even the vast majority of the public is for it — and then pulling out your special “me, too” pen for the signing ceremony. Leadership is not making public pronouncements that simultaneously support and undercut the goal of requiring the health insurance industry to compete with at least one plan they don’t control.
The health care debate is a prototypical example. Obama could have told members of Congress when the health care fight began, “If the average American doesn’t have the same quality and range of options at the end of this process that you do, I will not sign any appropriations bill for next year that includes health insurance for federal employees, your family and mine included, because if it’s good enough for us, it’s good enough for the people we serve.” Had the president done that, he would have had populist sentiment at his back, not with its back up against Democrats over “death panels.” Blue Dogs and conservative Democrats would have been champions of populist reform, both because it would have been in the interest of their own family’s health and because it would have struck a resonant chord with their constituents. All it would have taken was a sharp condemnation of the health insurance industry — something he ultimately ended up having to do anyway after they decided his plan was no longer in their interest — and what has led to a recent shift in the Democrats’ favor on health care reform.
Am I sure that he could have mobilized populist sentiment to mobilize support for health care reform, or is that armchair, 20-20 hindsight punditry? Yes. I polled it 18 months ago, and the idea of the public getting the same quality of care as their elected representatives was wildly popular with everyone, right, left, and center.
It would be nice to see from the president a little less Rodney King — “Why can’t we all get along?” — and a little more Martin Luther King, who wasn’t interested in compromising on 3/5 of a man or 3/5 of a vote — and who wouldn’t have sat on the sidelines waiting to declare victory upon insuring 3/5 of the people who can’t afford health insurance. When the Senate sent its fifth and final health care bill out committee, the president lavished praise on one person — Republican Senator Olympia Snow, apparently for failing to obstruct the process — who promptly noted that her support was only temporary. The president’s highest-level surrogates then fanned out on the Sunday morning shows to demonstrate his staunch commitment to equivocation on whether the health insurance industry needs some healthy competition to bring costs down and guarantee high quality, affordable care.
This, in microcosm, is the essence of the President’s approach to leadership — Obamaprise — the art of compromising when you don’t have to. The goal is not to get the best possible bill, to fulfill his campaign pledges to the people who elected him, or to fulfill values to which he is deeply committed, whatever they seem to be when the dust settles on his latest moving speech. The goal is to find someone with whom to compromise, whether it’s the pharmaceutical industry, the health insurance industry, or Senate Republicans on health care; the energy industry and the “clean coal” lobby on climate change; or the banks lavishing their latest set of outrageous bonuses on their executives for another Heckuva-Job-Bernanke year.
The president is fortunate that Martin Luther King did not share his conflict-averse approach to leadership, or Obama himself would be sitting in the middle of a bus somewhere, not on Air Force One, waiting for the day when someone would forcefully take a stand to repeal a Solomonic compromise between those who demanded that blacks sit on the back of the bus and those who demanded that they sit, like whites, wherever they want, and someone came up with the perfect Obamaprise: let them sit in the middle.
Leadership is not searching for the golden mean between what’s right and what’s wrong, what’s true and what’s false, what the Democratic majority in both Houses of Congress and the people who elected them to run the country believe after eight dismal years of Bush Republicanism and what Chuck Grassley or Olympia Snowe finds aesthetically or financially appealing.
We were lucky Abraham Lincoln did not invite Jefferson Davis into his cabinet to insure that he had a “team of rivals.”
We were lucky FDR famously “welcomed the hatred” of those who had plunged the nation into the Great Depression because that freed him to regulate them.
We were lucky Lyndon Johnson did not let the knowledge that he was handing the South to the Republicans for at least a generation by signing the Civil Rights Acts deter him from the dictates of his uncompromised conscience.
President Obama needs to reflect on whatever is driving his compromised approach to leadership. He will no doubt accomplish many good things in his four or eight years in office, in part because there is so much damage from the preceding administration to undo, and with a Republican Party in complete disarray, he will no doubt accomplish incremental change we can believe in if that’s really what he wants to take to the voters in 2012.
But if he does not change course, he is on the path to being known as the first black president — nothing more, nothing less — a solid caretaker on the order of Dwight Eisenhower, who tinkered around the edges of the ideology of the last visionary president, FDR, the way Obama is tinkering around the edges of the last game-changing president, Ronald Reagan.
With his extraordinary intellect and his ability to speak to people’s hopes and aspirations, this president has the capacity to be the transformative leader we all thought we were electing. But if he wants to be known for giving eloquent speeches followed up by field goals where he could have had touchdowns, he is well on his way to the thirty yard line.
Jacqlyn: What a crock of bull! Huff ‘n Puff is trying to rally the non-believers by huffing and puffing. This guy needs to “get lost” fast! He doesn’t need a “ride on the bus!” He needs to get under the bus with everyone else he has thrown under there.
Like anyone believes he has any leadership qualities whatsoever…this man is an idiot, and it is about time his kool-aid drinkers realized it!
He was an “empty suit” when he ran for office, and is still an “empty suit” today!
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I was at the Grand Jury Forum this morning and below is one of the comments left there….this was noted from Pastor Manning…..if this is true we are in a heap of trouble ….it will take military action to remove the FRAUD!!!
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I was just listening to Pastor Mannings show from Friday. At about 80 min. in, he said he was at a dinner party with a friend of his who lives in a town with Supreme Court Justices and insinuated that the Justices were given “Taliban type” threats. Very vicious….
We are SO screwed! Between the media being threatened and now hearing that the courts are being threatened viciously how are we going to get this bum out????
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Linda from NY // November 3, 2009 at 11:00 am
Jacqlyn: What a crock of bull! Huff ‘n Puff is trying to rally the non-believers by huffing and puffing. This guy needs to “get lost” fast! He doesn’t need a “ride on the bus!” He needs to get under the bus with everyone else he has thrown under there.
Like anyone believes he has any leadership qualities whatsoever…this man is an idiot, and it is about time his kool-aid drinkers realized it!
He was an “empty suit” when he ran for office, and is still an “empty suit” today!
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Linda….I’m with you…..however I thought it was sort of strange that they were being a somewhat critical…..they don’t usually do that to “the One”!!
Val,
Karl Rove said things can get a little strange when the Dems are running a tight race. ????
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HE, of all people, should know, don’t you think?!
LM // November 3, 2009 at 10:25 am
why Geithner still has a job?
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Exactly. Tarpley said over the weekend there was enough evidence to go after him and put him away for a very long time. Why doesn’t someone in Congress put this in motion? I don’t get it?
Interesting…
Huffington Post article written by a psychologist (posted above by J.S.) seems not much different than most pieces written about “O,” and call me crazy, but appear to be little more than “transference” to me. Anyone?
Kim, Maddie and twe
my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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