Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate, August 3, 2009, Obama Kenyan evidence, Sarah Obama, 2008 reports, Mombassa consistent, August 4, 1961

I posted a copy of the alleged Obama Kenyan birth certificate yesterday, August 2, 2009, because it is news. I do not know if it is legitimate or not. I will simply wait for authentication by experts. However, I have believed for many months that Obama was born in Kenya. The citizen Wells blog has posted articles about Obama being born in Kenya, but it was never the major part of uncovering the real Obama. This blog has always considered Obama not being a natural
born citizen, Obama’s strong ties to Chicago and IL corruption and the multiple facets of the Larry Sinclair story to be the show stoppers.

The first time I recall hearing about Obama being born in Mombassa and Kenya was from the Wayne Madsen Report:

“February 25, 2008, operatives dispatched to Kenya finds Obama birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa WMR — GOP dirty tricks operatives dispatched to Kenya to dig up any useful “dirt” on Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama, Jr., and his late Kenyan father Barack Obama, Sr., believe they have found a “smoking gun.” In this case, it is a birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr., on August 4, 1961.”
Since we are waiting for validation of the Kenyan birth certificate, it is fitting to revisit some Citizen Wells articles that reveal more insights into the possibility of Obama being born in Kenya.

From November 3, 2008:
“Bishop Ron McRae, who assisted Philip J Berg with the Sarah Obama tapes that stated she witnessed Obama’s birth in Kenya, has sent a letter to this blog. Citizen Wells has confirmed that the letter is from Bishop McRae. Sarah Obama is Barack Obama’s paternal grandmother. Bishop McRae provided an affadavit of authenticity for the tape. Here is the letter from Bishop McRae:

“The seriousness of the hour, behooves all natural born American citizens to pray that God will help, and have mercy on this country in this hour of unprecedented compromise of our Constitutional Rights and the electoral process that has made America great. Our interview of Sarah Obama speaks for itself. The liberal bloggers can make of this preacher what they want, who is neither a self proclaimed bishop, or a partisan supporter of McCain, out to get Obama. As the Continental Bishop of The Anabaptists Churches of North America, this preacher was unanimously elected to that office by the statewide bishops and elders sitting upon our National Presbytery. Howbeit, who this preacher is or is not, is not the issue, but rather, WHO BARACK OBAMA is.
This preacher believes Obama’s grandmother. I do not believe Barack Obama. It now rest with the Supreme Court to either uphold the Constitution, or ignore it. But all of history, and the upending of the future of America depends upon David Souter and the Supreme Courts’ courage or lack of it, in requiring Obama to step forward and call his grandmother a liar or greatly deceived, by the absolute and official proof of his natural born citizenship. The officials in Kenya throughout the registrar’s office in both Mombassa and Nairobi have told us that he was born in Kenya, and they will tell you verbally that the records have always existed, both for Obama’s birth, and the birthing records of his mother. But the government, under orders from Barack’s cousin Raila Odinga have sealed and confiscated the files to keep them top secret. The government employees know the truth, but fear for their lives in a most serious way. Our preacher, Kweli Shububia (Swahili for “True Witness”, his name has been changed to protect his identity and safety) has already received a mulititude of death threats and has fled the country for his safety. The muslims are already massing throughout Kenya, especially around Kisumu, just as they did last December during the Kenya elections, and brandishing machettes and clubs, threatening to kill every white American and Christian if Obama is not elected President.
This man Obama, whoever he is, increasingly appears to be a part of a great conspiracy to defraud the American people of a lawful and constitutional election. God deliver this nation from so great harm, to us and our children.

By the grace of God alone,
Ron McRae
Bishop
Anabaptists Churches of North America”
“Additional comment from Bishop McRae November 3, 2008:

“Thank you very much Mr. Wells. Please extend my thanks and appreciation to Mr. Schreiber. These are very serious issues, and we lost a lot of Christians in Kenya this year because of Obama and his cousin. I sincerely believe that, and have weighed the cost in the balance before submitting the afidavit. The delays that a lot of bloggers have errantly accused Mr. Berg of last week, were caused by me and our national presbytery, while we prayed and seriously considered the concequences of revealing the conversation with Sarah. Her life now as well could be in danger for telling the truth.

Very few people understand African culture for women who are expendable. And no one knows the heavy burden now on this preacher over the safety and lives of our people in Kenya over this matter.
Thank you both for your understanding in all these things. May God have mercy on America.
Bishop Ron McRae
Anabaptists Churches of North America”

Citizen Wells article

From November 11, 2008:

““Take my lands, my liberty and my life for my refusal to neither serve nor obey this god-man Obama. But you will never have for your lies the surrender of my conscience before God, my family and this Republic. God Almighty helping this old man for Christ sake!””
““If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?”

                                                                                -Psalm 11:3

      The very foundation of this country was laid upon this precept, “that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”. 2 Howbeit, with that foundational declaration came two other “self evident” truths, the first of which was our fore fathers’ declaration of the very existence and dependence upon our Creator who endowed such rights as we suppose them to be upon us; and also this exhortation of cautious patience, that “prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed”.

      Yet in these dark days where Governmental ends have in Tyrants’ minds, justified their means, to an irreversible hour that the inexplicable corruptions and abuse of Governmental powers “derived from the consent of the governed” have created even in the minds of a peaceful, obedient people these very same revolutionary thoughts that fearfully started this great country, and yet now contemplate the abolishment of that very state which for over two centuries has been the noblest means for securing a peoples’ undeserved endowment from their Creator. This author dares say “undeserved” in that, if such “unalienable rights” be endowed from our Creator, then such endowment lands upon we Creatures3 here below, the mere acknowledgment of such doth bind us to serve Him for the indebtedness of such endowment; and by such noble servitude we soundly proclaim that in this one universal state of being “all men equal”, we are not before God a Free People in deed of this single most indebtedness to God.” 

 

      “And to add to these unbearable torments, in these last days, Government now forces upon us an unbearable injustice, and trampling of the Constitution of the United States, in thinking to force the people to accept a foreigner as the President of this Republic, ignoring the single most important qualification for the highest office in our land, that such a one, not just gain such “power by the consent of the governed”, but that he be naturally born amongst us as one of us. There has never been an alternative option to replace “a natural born citizen” as the President of these United States. The Constitution knows no such option. Howbeit, the Federal Courts have repeatedly refused the people’s right to challenge such unprecedented trampling and violation of what the Constitution clearly says, and to date refuses to require such an Imposter to prove his “natural born” citizenship. Those who challenge such facts are libeled as racists, when nothing further could be true. With repeated Constitutional challenges to this Dreamer’s fraud upon the Constitutional requirements that he be “naturally born” among us, lying dormant before the Highest Court, where Justice Souter has no ears to hear it Constitutionally, nor courage to act to enforce such, What are Peaceable Men to Do? What is it that God requires of Peaceable Men and lovers of liberty to do? For fifty years the Tyrants in Washington have taken God from the minds of the people foremost, so that the Law is King, and tyranny will decide what is law! Now men cower under an overwhelming despotism that rattles its sword and murders its own people, to suppress the voice of God and the people, so that silence is the sound of good men dying as Tyrants march them over the precipice of an antichrist rule of death over the Republic for which we all once stood! Men are want to know what saith the Lord God and Creator of all men equal!”
 “With the Unconstitutional ascension to the highest office of our Land, a man that by means of his very birth, is by the Constitution unqualified to hold the Office of President, we are now faced with an unprecedented constitutional challenge to the free people of this Republic, to either surrender that blessed document that our fathers laid as the very “foundation” of law from which we define and derive all unalienable rights from God Almighty, or map for ourselves as our fathers mapped for us, another course of history, guided by prudence, supported by the Constitution, and blessed and directed of God. To fail in any of these three, will ultimately and tragically destroy the very foundation we seek to preserve, and abolish all that history has known as the United States of America.”

Citizen Wells article

Here are two instances of Sarah Obama stating that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

 

ViewSarah Obama conversation transcript

786 responses to “Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate, August 3, 2009, Obama Kenyan evidence, Sarah Obama, 2008 reports, Mombassa consistent, August 4, 1961

  1. I haven’t had a chance to catch up, but as I’m surfing around< I see some people think that this Kenyan BC is a fake and created by Team Obama. Ok, why would Team Obama want the dueling BC's going on?

    Why would they want another document out here? Seems to me, the more documents, the more pressure for him to BC up. How can they claim the Kenyan one is a fake, when we don't know if the Hawaiin one is real.

  2. CW,

    Will you please keep us informed on Larry Sinclair from time to time?

  3. citizenwells

    Val.
    Yes.

  4. zachjonesishome

    Excellent post CitizenWells. Zach

  5. …anyone heard anything on Orly?

  6. Nancy Peacock

    The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time. – Justice George Sutherland (1938)

    Thanks to all patriots who are keeping up the good work! You are most appreciated!

  7. I do not want to throw a conspiracy alert out there but this is strange. This Hillary’s schedule for tomorrow.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2009appt/august/126832.htm

  8. I meant to say today…

  9. GOOD CATCH Greg Goss

    YIKES!!!

  10. Trip to Kenya. Perhaps Hillary is going to do the TKO on Soetoro and squeeze into the Presidential seat with the help of the Kenyan government.

    I wouldn’t put it past her.

  11. Ok I need help here. Can some do one of those cache look ups for the site of Hillary’s schedule to see what that schedule was showing last week or at least Saturday before the Kenyan BC story broke…?

  12. citizenwells

    Thanks Zach.

  13. Patriot Dreamer

    Secret Service worried about tea party protesters in Bristol, VA?
    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-secret-service-pulls-guns-on-tea.html

  14. Val @ 4:50 & GG @ 5:05 & GG/twe @ 5:07:
    could this be part of the ends-against-the-middle strategy…which, btw, still includes HRC’s got ‘the boss’ in the cross-hairs, too…
    ———————————————————-
    sorry to keep ‘re-do’-ing myself…but, again, keep an eye out for the ‘sucker-punch’.

  15. zachjonesishome

    Amazing!

    #

    Patriot Dreamer // August 3, 2009 at 5:28 pm (edit)

    Secret Service worried about tea party protesters in Bristol, VA?
    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/obama-secret-service-pulls-guns-on-tea.html

  16. heh…this famous line from from “The Wizard of OZ” just flew by me…
    “So; you wanna play ball, eh (…Scarecrow)?”

  17. I don’t know what to make of it. Is she headed on a mission to make sure records were destroyed as CW mentioned above? Or she going ask for verification? She would have to be thinking about power, that is her fuel….

    Or is this a huge coincidence? That is why I would like to know when the trip was planned.

  18. Thanx venice, that answers my question..

  19. Scroll down to “Clinton going to Africa next week”.

  20. Greg Goss @ 5:16 pm

    Ok I need help here. Can some do one of those cache look ups for the site of Hillary’s schedule to see what that schedule was showing last week or at least Saturday before the Kenyan BC story broke…?

    *******************

    Greg Goss,

    Here ya go. Original pages.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2009appt/

  21. Jacqlyn Smith

    I heard about her trip planned to Kenya early last week so this trip was already in the making before the disclosure of the BC!!

  22. hmmm…we already had the Indepence Day/4th of July fireworks…what’s likely to be the nature of the fireworks display in Kenya, do you suppose?….what’s that noise people make when they say “oooh…’cat-fight’!”?

  23. JS @ 5:59…(being a little sarcastic)
    “so? what’s your point?!”

  24. Pingback: Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate, August 3, 2009, Obama Kenyan … | Kenya today

  25. PD: (from previous thread re “Dueling Banjos”);
    …as in “Dueling Dem-jos”?, or something?
    (queue ‘cat-fight’ noise…)

  26. Again, wouldn’t 2 dueling BC’s put more pressure on the TOTUS to cough up a legit BC? If they say this Kenyan BC is a fake, how do we know that? We still don’t know if the hawain BC is for legit. Can’t they be pressured to reveal the read deal?
    Just asking.

    Any word from Orly?

  27. real deal …. opps

  28. Hi Val!

  29. Heads Up – Multiple COLBS Warning [someone swapped out the Kenya BC AFTER it was posted]

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts?q=1&;page=51

    I’m trying to follow this, but it’s difficult..lol

  30. Meanwhile…back at the ranch…could be they’re gonna switch over to looking for a
    Canadian BC!?…’right 86?’
    “Ah-HAH!…just as I thought:
    the old ‘just-when-you-thought-we-had-’em-trick-switcheroo’…why, Chief: that’s the oldest trick in the book!”
    ———————————————–
    (LOL…how many ‘oldest tricks’ could there be in that book…you’d think only ONE could be THE oldest…hmmmm….)

  31. Hey Lurk!

    I’m still trying to figure this out. I haven’t been on here much today and I’m trying to catch up. What’s your take on my question? I’m a wee bit tired today after entertaining family all day yesterday, so I can’t think straight. Just seems to me that 2 BC’s would not be a good idea coming from the Team Obama Camp as some have suggested.

  32. who’s down for a little ‘shell game’?…
    Anyone? Bueller? Anyone!?

  33. Their saying the original number on the document was actually “47,644” and that E.F.Lavener was actually “K.F.Lavender”

    From what i’m reading on the thread, Orlys site was hacked, as well as the original scribd site document, and replaced with those changes above.

  34. Do you think she is going to Kenya to celebrate barry’s birthday. Dont say it’s so?

  35. ROCK-ON! LOL!….yeh, ‘fireworks’, baby!

  36. I feel a song comin’ on now….
    “born on the bayou….born on the biiiii-U!”

  37. Igor Marxomarxovich

    Old Russian saying…You can tell same lie 1000 time but not change truth!

    Difference between USSR Communist media and USA “mainstream media”

    In Russia government make media say what they want – even if lie.
    In USA “mainstream media” try make government what they want – even if lie..
    …..eventually they become same thing?!

    I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at http://www.igormaro.org

    Somehow this does not contradict the recent Obama birth certificate from Kenya

  38. Apparently Obama is partners with scribd.com too!!!

    http://www.scribd.com/partners

    Watch the square box in the middle of the page as it changes showing all the partners.

    Looks like someone from scribd.com has altered the original image of the Kenyan bc, and redirected the original link to the now fake bc pic they have up.

    Here’s the original source URL on the first thread posted:

    It now redirects to:

    I smell a RAT!

  39. Let’s blast Bill O’Really? for backing out of the interview with Joseph Farah. O’Really? is a PinHead!

    Just thought of something … If Farah goes on O’Really’s … that would be a :

    Patriot and PinHead Moment!

  40. The South: Their saying the original number on the document was actually “47,644″ and that E.F.Lavener was actually “K.F.Lavender”

    Where did you find this information, please? I’m just curious. thanks

  41. Hi Val,

    Here’s a message from Orly regarding her infected blog1 site.

    Since there were reported problems with the site on Aug 1, I deleted a couple of posts for the 1st and 31 and 30th, that had links.

    This entry was posted on Sunday, August 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 am and is filed under Uncategorized. etc……….

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3589

    I wasn’t able to access her blog on google, but no problem using Lycos search engine.

    Lycos dot com

    My computer is fine. But, maybe because I use Mac. Not sure, so still be careful. Use anti virus software.

  42. Some one put this in lamen terms. Does 47,644″ and “K.F.Lavender” make it a llegit copy?

  43. The little jack*sses did a no-no. Orly’s site was hacked when this came out, or shortly afterwards. The idiots changed the number at the top of the certificate from 47,644 to 47,044 and the name K.F. Lavender to E.F. Lavender. I just downloaded an earlier copy from Free Republic of someone that had downloaded it about 2 a.m. Here’s the link and it’s Post #72, I think:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts?q=1&;page=51

    My copy that I downloaded early Sunday morning has the incorrect information on it. I just downloaded the other. I think that WND has the correct one with the correct number and the correct name, K.F. Lavender.

    These idiots will not stop at nothing. But you know the old saying, what goes around comes around and I’ve lived long enough to know this is very, very true. Once it comes around to bite you in the rear, you will know it!

  44. KittyKat,

    Here’s the thread as i posted above.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts?page=151

  45. Can we say the fat lady has sung? No pun intended!!

  46. zachjonesishome

    I think WND has EF Lavender and 47044

  47. They’re saying Orly is on Michael Savage right now!

  48. Orly Taitz was on Savage Nation.

  49. African press international is stating this is the real thing! Only Pres.B.Obama can disprove this by have a Birth certificate better then this one !
    Wow! Go to www. African Press International API
    on the net. Happy Birthday! what a gift for all Americans !
    P.S. I think that the number on the top of the certificate #47044 is God’s hand because He knows everything about us even when we are born and the sins we would do, the Lord knew that this would be a cover-up. God knows everything about all of us. &:-) annie girl
    scripture says: everything in darkness will be brought to LIGHT !

  50. Does anyone have a link to Savages show?????

  51. South @ 6:24:…don’t you mean ‘she-rat’?

  52. Old South, Kittycat, I believe the steady drip has a picture of an unaltered BC. I can’t get a REALLY close look, but to me the number still looks like a zero rather than a six, but the letter is definitely a “K”.

  53. zachjonesishome // August 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Right, Zach-WND has EF Lavender and 47044.

    Am I correct in assuming that Orly has the legit copy?

  54. heh…would make sense if ‘lavenderia’ (sp?) has been ‘scrubbed…’
    …or at least it’s in the ‘spin-cycle’…
    (as Curly would’ve said, “nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!”)

  55. OK. Looks like Clinton was already scheduled to go to several countries in Africa. This article was published Friday before the Kenyan BC was made known:

    http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1042740

  56. twe @ 7:14: okay…but if/when you consider the hrc-plants (weeds) that have been growing on this site for some time now…hrc’s info could easily be way ‘ahead’ of what you might think…do you really think those in her camp aren’t ‘hip’ to the fine detective work going o here, too?!…like, I’m thinking…”Duh!?”…you think the hrc-camp doesn’t ‘believe all this nonsense’?….yeh…right. They may play dumb, but I don’t think they’re stupid….just my 2 cents.

  57. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Re-do // August 3, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    JS @ 5:59…(being a little sarcastic)
    “so? what’s your point?!”
    ************************************************

    I was answering Greg about HRC’s trip to Kenya and how I doubt it has anything to do with the Orly Taitz discovery.

  58. I find it highly convenient that this new certification was released right along-side the Clinton trip to Africa.

    As people on here have said before, that Hillary is the one who can bring this usurper down, especially as the Secretary of State. She has the most to gain from this, and it explains why she doesn’t care about usurping her SoS position when she knows it’s only temporary.

    We’ll see if anything unfolds over the next week.

  59. I just heard on the radio a retired police officer reported the NYC mayor just swore in 160 of Obama brown shirts……

    The first members of national security force. Paid for with your tax dollar…………..

    The beginning of a police state ?.

    I guess 1939 Germany can happen again.

  60. truthbetold11

    hillary being sent to kenya to take some sights in.no,no, she’s being sent their to promote it takes a village book, no,no. promote peace,no,no she’s going to strike a deal money talks and she will open the check book to save bho its to bad

  61. typo.. going ON here, too?!…(“Hell-O!”)

  62. JS @ 7:23: okay…wasn’t trying to be rude;
    maybe I shoulda included…’indirectly’, no…
    but who knows what mice have been lurking?

  63. Jacqlyn Smith

    Did anyone hear Orly on the Savage show….how do we access it and is there a recording of what she said???

  64. Val @ 6:13 pm

    Hey Lurk!

    I’m still trying to figure this out. I haven’t been on here much today and I’m trying to catch up. What’s your take on my question? I’m a wee bit tired today after entertaining family all day yesterday, so I can’t think straight. Just seems to me that 2 BC’s would not be a good idea coming from the Team Obama Camp as some have suggested.

    ****************

    Hi Val,

    I think you already know my opinion. LOL No disrespect to anyone here, but I don’t buy into any of this mess unless I see verified proof with my own eyes. So far, all I see is two bc’s circulating the net. One with E.F. one with K.F. and a couple of other subtle differences. When the alleged bc first posted I studied it and noticed Obama Srs. age (26) and knew his bd was in 1936 from reading up on him previously. I checked anyway to be sure. Easy math, but I chose not to stir the pot. I’m glad I didn’t comment on this after reading Joe’s (?) comment on the age and date discrepancy, and how he was bashed and called a troll. Not very cool. Joe might have been an Obot; who knows, but he did post a fact. Do I want this new alleged bc to be the real deal?

    ******HELL YES******

  65. Just turned SAVAGE on he is talking about O’Fraud’s Brown Shirts

  66. OT: (or, back to an earlier one) re the cash for clunkers? I believe there were some warnings posted that the site is, let me say, “unhealthy”.
    I couldn’t help notice the frequent radio ads, in addition to the dj’s commentary, re this at a big “oldies” radio station in the L.A. area…
    K-EARTH. (maybe its’ KRTH)…
    If someone here knows the best (safest?) way to let them know, if indeed the warnings are legit, just what it is they’re doing by promoting that site…may save someone some serious headaches, eh? (not the beer kind, either)….

  67. Which one is the fake now?.

    How about G.H. Miller , G.F Lavender ,

    South Australia

  68. Jacqlyn Smith

    I am listening too PF….this is scary!!

  69. I did not hear orly discuss this new doc. Mostly discussing his citizenship problems and both perspectives on 14th amendment and aticle II. he mentioned having Farah on and Berg a couple of times. It was funny that he asked her if she knew who Berg was?She may have discussed this find but may have missed it.She was in Tel Aviv and was headed to the Old Country to celebrate the 50th wedding anniversary of her parents.Did not hear anything on London.

  70. TO LURKER,

    I don’t get the 26 yrs old and BD 1936?
    1936 + 26 = 1962 but maybe it was before his B-Day.

    What am I missing?

  71. http://www.55krc.com/main.html

    This is the link I use for Savage. He’s talking about Sabillius right now. 😦

  72. Jacqlyn Smith

    magna—So Orly is taking a trip to visit her parents….maybe it’s a cover so no one knows her plans??

  73. Like I have been saying for awhile but no one has replied.

    We need to organize better. If the internet gets shut down by let’s say a FAKE INSIDE JOB Cyber Attack where internet gets disabled WHAT WILL WE DO?

    We need to at least the regulars get organized so that we can have action as needed.

    Anyone else with me?

  74. Jacqlyn,

    Orly doesn’t seem the type to know how to play poker LOL

    I think she needs to be more secretive until you have the Smoking Portuguese Cannon

  75. Which one is the fake now?.

    How about G.H. Miller , G.F Lavender ,

    South Australia


    ________________________________

    If you check this document closely, the fold lines are in completely different places that the one for Obama.

  76. magna carta // August 3, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Hi Magna,

    I’m listening, too. I think it’s wise of Orly not to mention London at this point; it’s already out there why she went.

  77. Igor – My favorite Russian story was when Premier Kruschev came to visit President Eisenhower. Some news men asked him what made Communism better than Capitalism. He said “Gentlemen, Capitalism is man exploiting man” A newsman then asked “What makes that different from Communism?” Witgout hesitation he said “Communism is the complete opposite!!”

    PS- I left some comments for you at your site.

  78. Savage is such a WASTE of TIME, juts like Rush and all the others USELESS TALKERS with no ACTION.

    I’m just one voice on the radio he likes to say.

    We need Activism and Orgnization. THEY BETTER LEARN from the father of Talk Radio Activism JERRY WILLIAMS.
    That is what we need. NOW

  79. Orly’s interview from Israel was on MSN today–
    don’t know who the two anchors were (a guy and
    a black woman—both very rude to Orly). Orly
    was very upset and things didn’t go well. The
    anchors were nasty–man kept interrupting Orly,
    and the woman laughed several times. Orly was fuming as anyone would be. She did get out
    NBC, and her opinion of Ann Coulter (she doesn’t care what Coulter said), and opinion of
    why bo’s birth announcement was in Hawaiian paper.

    Frankly, I hope Orly goes on FOX next. MSN
    is a hornet’s nest.

  80. They are now saying the existence of the bomford document proves both as fakes

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts?page=291#291

  81. SAVAGE,

    Blink of an eye you could create a MOVEMENT with POWER that could set the country straight.

    NEVER mind the BS, more action and less talk.

    How do you think ACORN and such get things done, THEY ORGANIZE AND TAKE ACTION.

    Time for action SAVAGE. Get in front Organize and Lead activism and action.

  82. Yeah, PRWH, sometimes Savage rambles, and sometimes he’s on the money. Luck of the draw. (With a hedging toward rambling.) LOL.

  83. thanks to all who made suggestions about
    computer issues from the last thread. The Net
    works, but still having problems. Problems
    began Aug. 1st after clicking on a link on Orly’s
    site. Call Microsoft today and ran a 3 hour One Care (safety.live.com) scan—it didn’t do anything to help. Will be calling Microsoft back. I had anti-virus software with antispyware–it didn’t work on whatever happened.

  84. Reilly is maligning us again. Oh, and its not me….my wife is watching. She can’t stay away.

    Don’t shoot the messenger.

  85. “86” comments up…time for me to ’86’ self outta here…until tomorrow…wud-dup, den?!

  86. OF COURSE they are going to try to discredit the original after they changed the picture on the computer!
    But the correct one should match up with the one in the book.

  87. As an aside Re-do… RU486 is what it appears to be. Are you for 86ing….

  88. Peter Francisco @ 7:43 pm

    TO LURKER,

    I don’t get the 26 yrs old and BD 1936?
    1936 + 26 = 1962 but maybe it was before his B-Day.

    What am I missing?

    ************************

    Hello Peter,

    Barky was born August 4th 1961

    Barky senior was born in 1936 (haven’t been able to find month and day) It doesn’t matter anyway. The bc says he was 26 when Barky was born.

    The alleged bc(s) shows Barky seniors age as 26

    1961 – 1936 = 25

    We can’t wish the age to be anything other then what it is. Like Mom always use to say: Facts are stubborn things.

    suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545467,BSX-News-wotreev09.stng

    mahalo.com/barack-hussein-obama-senior

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

    There’s plenty of other sites to find Srs. age. Just search: Barack Obama senior.

  89. So..is the consensus that the Kenyan is a fake?

  90. Just watched two idiots misstate the issue of Obama’s birth certificate on O’Reilly’s show.
    Damn these people are stupid!
    It’s Obama’s father and where he was from! He was not a citizen!

  91. Hi Greg Goss,

    I left this link for you ^^up there^^ somewhere. lol
    I hope this is what you needed.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2009appt/

  92. Thanx Jackie, Lurker and venice….

  93. Let’s use some logic here. We have 4 options for real vs fake on these 2 documents:

    1. The Hawaii COLB and the Kenya CCRB are both real, and Soetoro is a fake
    2. The Hawaii COLB is fake, the Kenya CCRB is real, and Soetoro is a fake
    3. The Hawaii COLB is real, the Kenya CCRB is fake, and Soetoro is a fake
    4. Both the Hawaii COLB and Kenya CCRB are fake, and Soetoro is a fake

    Pick one.

  94. Yep…that was the template used to create the document.

    Has too many consistencies. Book number, page number, Miller, Lavender all on the Austrailian birth document….

  95. Jacqlyn Smith

    My mom just called me from Kansas…she watches O’Reilly religiously….he had two guys on who still couldn’t make the case of NBC…both said they think he was born in Hawaii but needs to release the real on to move past this…..O’Reilly I guess said the voters don’t care and this is just people who hate Obama!!! O’Reilly needs more emailing guys….let’s get on it!!!

  96. I’m going with 4 Jeff and I’ll wager $300

  97. O-lie-ly is a friggin jack-ass, idiot, misinformed, moron!

    Like i said, he want’s Obama to stay in office, it’s good for his #1 ratings.

    He turned down an interview with Farah today, because Farah put down some stipulations to avoid “exactly what happened tonight” before appearing on his show. O-lie-ly wrote him back and said basically ‘those stipulations won’t work for us’.

    O-lie-ly is an OBOT !

  98. Jacqlyn Smith

    Lurker // August 3, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Peter Francisco @ 7:43 pm

    TO LURKER,

    I don’t get the 26 yrs old and BD 1936?
    1936 + 26 = 1962 but maybe it was before his B-Day.

    What am I missing?

    ******************************************************

    Hey guys….someone told me that the close up shows his age to be 25….I couldn’t enlarge my picture….can anyone enlarge the certificate enough to tell the age to be 25 for dad and not 26???

  99. sandy,

    I’m right there with you.

    The sky is green,
    Bananas are steak,
    Whichever you choose,
    Soetoro’s the fake

    Just brushing up on my poetry skills.

  100. This is a post from Freepers,

    Looks like the “original” may be a fake, too. See http://www.bomford.net/worcestershire/images/DavidJeffreyBomfordBirthCertDoc65.jpg.

    Not so fast.

    Australia didn’t gain legal independence from Great Britain until 1986 with the passage of the Australia Act.

    Both Kenya and Australia were possessions of Great Britain. It’s NOT inconceivable that both would use the same form or at least similar forms to make it easier for Great Britain to register and process its citizens. It’s also not inconceivable that the same bureaucrats would appear on documents that are less than two years apart. We’re assuming that Lavender was in Kenya..but what if he were a British bureaucrat?

  101. From what I can gather, it is not looking good that the Kenyan BC is authentic….also if it was I think Orly would have confirmed it by now.

  102. Jacqlyn Smith

    Please boycott O’Reilly unless we see he has someone on to straighten him out like Farah!!! Send your emails…..he says we voters don’t count…this is outrageous…..he deserves our SCORN!!!

  103. Greg Goss,

    Use my “multiple choice” quiz. It’s a win-win no matter which ones are fake.

  104. GG @ 8:11: well, I was B86ing, butt den some fellas Bshow’d up, axing more questienz…so I figured WTH I-Bstickn’round abitmoe…if I was 4 anything…id-be to git wid 99 🙂 …word?

  105. CW,

    It looks like Re-do’s posting information has been hijacked. We’ll need to put him in “time out” until he returns.

  106. hey…I didn’t put in the happy face only the text-kind…muzzbe automatick. (not like push-button drive, though!)

  107. Ratings are over rated. These guys all look for long time ratings gain and on occasion short term. O’Rielly’s dancing on this issue has nothing to do with ratings and everything to do with “I told you so” He is an egotistical maniac before he thinks about ratings.

  108. Hi Jacqlyn Smith,

    I took a snapshot of the bc and zoomed in. It looks like 26 to me. I wish I had a way to share this.

  109. JeffM, I took quiz in quazie mode. I agree with you 100%. All of this, no matter the actual outcome of individual claims, will bring him down….and that make Larry Sinclair happy…

  110. truthbetold11

    oreily and crew are so worried about being squashed off the air ways they should be listening to the warnings from their viewers

  111. JeffM @ 8:25 (comic relief):…(it’s really me):
    LOL: great question for Jay Leno’s “Jaywalking”:
    ———————————————————–
    “Are there any losers in a ‘win-win’ situation?”
    ————————————————————
    Jeff @ 8:28: are you just kidding? you seem serious…no “hi-jacking” that I’m aware of…

  112. Do you think they aren’t going to try everything to discredit this thing? The harder they try the closer we are.
    This is not going to be easy. They will fight tooth and nail to keep their power.
    I want to know how Orly got this Kenyan register of birth.

  113. Leo is on plains right now !!!!

  114. JeffM: what was it you think got ‘nichts-ed’?
    something from any earlier post?

  115. Kim @ 8:34 pm
    (snipped

    I want to know how Orly got this Kenyan register of birth.

    *****************

    Hi Kim,

    This could be “pure rumor”, but someone told me that Alan Keyes acquired the bc and gave it to Orly.

    Anyone?

  116. Kim // August 3, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Hi Kim,

    We may never know where Orly got it. This person is ‘in fear for their life,’ from what I understand.

    Could it be one of the three certified copies that were sent out to ????? last year?

  117. Jeff,

    I like it

    And in case anyone did miss the OTHER big news today:

    http://www.breitbart.tv/did-tv-microphone-capture-very-loud-tiger-woods-fart-on-18th-fairway/

  118. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Lurker // August 3, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Kim @ 8:34 pm
    (snipped

    I want to know how Orly got this Kenyan register of birth.

    *****************

    Hi Kim,

    This could be “pure rumor”, but someone told me that Alan Keyes acquired the bc and gave it to Orly.

    Anyone?
    ******************************************************

    According to Alan Keyes at his site….he seems to be as surprised about the document as the rest of us!!

    I happen to see a question and Orly’s answer at her website yesterday….this might be a clue as to who gave her the document. Ed Hale says she had it over the week and knows where it came from!!! WOW she is sending a private investigator to Kenya….says Ed

  119. The chronology, of the entries, between, the 1959 Kenyan BC provided by The South, at 7:48, is consistent,with the Obama, Kenyan, BC, provided by Dr Taitz.
    The birth, recorded, 4/10/1959 is found @ book 44b page 5733 according to the certificate.
    The birth recorded 8/4/1961 is found@ book 44b page 6733 on the certificate. A difference of 1,000 pages in two years and four months.
    Looks like Obama has got some serious explaining to do to get out of this one.
    Barry is busted!

  120. Jacqlyn Smith

    Leo D. is talking with Ed Hale now….and Ed says she had the document over a week and has sent an investigator to Kenya…..Leo says she jumped the gun and he doesn’t think she should have posted the document until she has all the facts….OH WELL!!

  121. Jacqlyn Smith

    Bob S. What does this mean?

  122. Nancy Peacock

    Peter, I agree that we should be organized in the event of an emergency or cyber attack. My sister and I have a plan of action in the event that the net goes down, just to check and make sure everyone’s okeh. I’m willing to give all of my contact info to CW.

  123. Jacqlyn Smith

    Leo is all fired up….doesn’t know what is what anymore…..YA THINK!!!!

  124. Hey Lurker,

    That’s what I heard too! They went with the ‘she needed the BC to get the divorce and to marry Soetoro and get the Soetoro adoption through’ So they ( Keyes, Maybe Orly, etc ) researched her divorce attorny and this little jewel ( the Kenya BC ) was apparently stuck away in a file box somewhere … …??

    That’s what I read somewhere. And the time line all fits with the Issue date on the bottom of the Kenyan BC, etc.. …. She’s heading to Indonesia to marry Leo ( sp) and she needs BC to have Leo adopt barry to get him in school, etc…. Time line works out. Born in 61 – moved to Indonesia in ’64 – that’s the reason behind the issue date.

    ?????

  125. SueK et al. There are two copies of this document. I became aware of this earlier today and investigated. What was relieved to me makes the document more credible. Take a look at the image posted on Orly’s site href=”http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-in-kenya.htm”>Here Orly’s BC and then compare that with this one one href=”http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ItTmDlhApFQ/SndL1l0Ig4I/AAAAAAAAAKY/bDQigYhDUsk/s1600-h/mombasa_copy04035.jpg”>Original Picture. What you looking at is a copy of the second document in the first one. In order to get a Kenyan passport you must submit an original “COLB” and a copy of same. When you look at these “two” documents you can see thay were folded together. That would be normal if used to obtain a passport. BHO had admitted he had found his BC among other documents.

    I am having a hard dismissing this as a forgery…

  126. Jacqlyn…

    Ed has said a lot of other stuff too.

    He got the bc in September

    He gave it to the FBI

    He received it along with three other people

    He had five fed ex trucks delivering port of entry docs.

    He had the certification the ebay dude had

    He “confessed” last night that he didn’t give it to the FBI so he could latch onto this new tidbit of Orly’s…

    He is a publicity whore and a lying narcissist himself

  127. Jeff,
    I think it’s real. One question about the doctor’s
    signature. Is it possible their was a midwife en
    lieu of a physician. Or maybe the female family
    members of Obama Sr. And, the midwife would
    see no reason to sign the register? Just a thought.
    ++++++++++++

    Tonight, back to thinking O’Reilly is a BIG
    PINHEAD, again.

  128. Re-do // August 3, 2009 at 8:39 pm,

    It’s the “foh-shizzle” dialogue. Usually this means a hijacked identity where someone else plays games with it.

  129. A correction to my 8:55 post is in moderation…

  130. O’Really? … needs to go to CNN and we trade him out for Dobbs!

    O’Really? is a big ole pinhead! He’s a jerk!

  131. Greg,
    I agree with your analysis.

  132. JeffM,

    So, you think The Hill may be in on this? She’s either going to sign a big check or she’s going to bring him down?

    What say you?

    ( I wouldn’t count her out either …. I’ve been saying for along time …. Don’t ever underestimate the Clinton’s ) LOL !

  133. Val,
    I’d trade Dobbs for O’Pinhead any day!!!
    The sooner the better:)

  134. Greg @ 8:55,

    Can’t open your links.

    Anyone else???

  135. Jacqlyn Smith

    Sandy…I do know about ED…I used to listen regularly but he was too much of a Know it all for me…..I quit but heard Leo was on so I was just reporting what was being said….I for one know that Orly has the document ….I got a personal email from her a few days ago….what ED said today is true….I don’t know about his other outbursts!!

  136. Maddie // August 3, 2009 at 8:58 pm,

    If you think it’s real you must also think the Hawaiian COLB could also be real. I’ll wait for this to wash out in court. The Internet is no place to make judgements on citizenship. That’s the basis of the entire argument we have on here as it’s not significant other than the fact hes 135% ineligible instead of 100% ineligible for POTUS.

  137. JeffM @ 8:59: oh, sorry…was just hitting back at Greg Goss’s version of Comedy Central…harmless; but you put enough scare into me such that I have a full securtiy scan running; which couldn’t hurt, I suppose; thanks for the clarification. I must admit, come to think of it, I musta been pretty convincing for you to ask ol’ CDub to “pull the Belveder to the curb!” (LOL…if you’d been following the previous, yet silly, “Detroit-banter” from a few clicks ago…just havin’ some fun’s all.

  138. Val I corrected them but they are in moderation…:(

  139. Val,
    I know your question was addressed to Jeff, but I don’t think HillRod would sell out for Obama.
    She might be SOS, but there’s no love lost bet.
    them after the Fraud’s ugly treatment. Not to
    be “sexist”, but most women don’t forget and
    if given the chance ….. fill in the rest.

  140. er, Belvedere…(slogan shoulda been parodied from the nice tractor folks):
    “Nothing runs to the curb like a ‘dere!” (LOL?)

  141. If you single out just the url and copy that they will work…a little touchy though

  142. I have been saying that we are shared info to QUICKLY wait until you have the SMOKING CANNON and their moths drop.

    About Australia and Kenya and Lavender. Diplomats move around so it is possible that he worked in both places or maybe it was a brother, etc.

  143. Val,

    I’m saying Hillary has been burned so badly by this man in the last election, she has every right to bring him down.

    I found it surprising Hillary literally jumped out of her chair to take the SoS position. Gee, I wonder what dirt she can obtain in this high-ranking diplomatic position that oversees the U.S. State Department…

  144. Can you goes post a link when you say to listen to something for those that are not regulars and in this case for myself.
    Ed Hale show link please. Thanks

  145. Val @ 8:53 pm

    She’s heading to Indonesia to marry Leo ( sp) and she needs BC to have Leo adopt barry to get him in school, etc….

    *************

    HAHAHA Val

    You do mean Lolo; right? LMAO Leo, Lolo, Obozo, oh my! Enough to make one nuts sometimes, eh?

  146. Jeff,
    Yes, of course, IF a court WILL EVER hear this case. What think you?
    We’ll all tired of waiting for the truth to come out.

  147. TO: Nancy Peacock // August 3, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Peter, I agree that we should be organized in the event of an emergency or cyber attack. My sister and I have a plan of action in the event that the net goes down, just to check and make sure everyone’s okeh. I’m willing to give all of my contact info to CW.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I guess it’s you and I noone else thinks it is important.

  148. Sandy,

    Check your e-mail. Tiger’s been outdone!

  149. Maddie,

    I don’t think anyone will hear the case. We all pretty much know. So, we go to plan B.

    Plan B is our old “friend” Hilllary Rodham Clinton. If I were she, I’d do some digging of my own and be the hero of the hour:

    “You should have voted for me.”

    “I’m the one who took this criminal down before all disaster struck.” (yep, we all did the hard work)

    “My healthcare plan will work.”

    “I’m the cat’s meow. Watch me as I turn this leaky tub into a flying cigarette boat.”

    etc., etc., etc.

  150. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Lurker,

    No it reads 25 not 26. I have extensively analyzed it in Photoshop. The number 6 on the document has a smaller loop than the number 5. Look below on the page numbers above the Deputy Registrar’s signature for comparison.

    The jpg on Orly’s site has always said 47,044 and E F Lavender. The story about another copy is Obot propaganda, which is confirmed about their call at Democratic Underground to produce fake Kenyan BCs yesterday. As for the alleged copy of Orly’s version: you can flip the image of folds quite easily, and change data on an image.

    Consider the URL you are using, Patriots!

    The url which holds the alleged copy is untrustworthy. WND and Orly agree on the copy.

    This alleged copy is a diversionary tactic by Obots who have no way to disavow the authenticity of the document which appears in the original jpg.

    It proves the authenticity therefore, since they can marshall nothing but lies.

    I BELIEVE THE COPY IS AUTHENTIC UNTIL PROOF TO THE CONTRARY

    Obots hold that the HI COLB is authentic, regardless of proof to the contrary.

    IF YOU HOLD that the Kenyan is not authentic until proven, that’s your perogative.

    But to say that it is not authentic, without corroboration, even though every analysis has disproven the arguments against its authenticity, is I believe a error of judgment on your part.

    Anyhow, the ex Editor of Israel Insider is saying it is legit

    http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/08/obamas-kenyan-birth-certificate.html

    And we have multiple reports of either a legit copy being found, or of Granny saying so, as CW has reported above.

    You guys have to begin to believe something more than what you find on URLs. Human Testimony is superior evidence, and actual paper documents. Jpgs are a bit trite, they are like hearsay evidence.

  151. Portuguese & Nancy—
    I agree the Cyber Attack is plausible. Your plan
    of attaction would be interesting if it’s possible to
    share.

  152. Val @ 9:05 pm

    Greg @ 8:55,

    Can’t open your links.

    Anyone else???

    ******************

    Val, here ya go.

    I took off the (http://) from one address so my post doesn’t go into mod.

    http://orlytaitzesq.com/obama-certified-copy-of-registration-of-birth-in-kenya.htm

    4.bp.blogspot.com/_ItTmDlhApFQ/SndL1l0Ig4I/AAAAAAAAAKY/bDQigYhDUsk/s1600-h/mombasa_copy04035.jpg”%3EOriginal%20Picture

  153. truthbetold11

    JS I always new it has to be someone with african background to bring him to justice it can’t be a white male construction worker type. alan keyes would be the one

  154. Civis,
    Agree with your comments. Thanks. Maddie.

  155. Civis, well said.
    I believe my gut instincts too, and I felt better yesterday than I have in 10 months!

  156. PF, I think it’s important! How do we do this?

  157. okay…maybe a REALLY dumb thought…(I was supposed to be outta here awhile ago…) BUT:
    it seems hrc & the boss are either REALLY charading it all up IN CAHOOTS….OR…their battle is a real “Hatfields v McKoys”…doesn’t seem possible it could be other than one of the extremes…not ‘in the middle’…that just doesn’t ‘sit right’…
    ——————————————————–
    okay, for real this time…gotta split; will check in tomorrow…what’ll I find THEN?!

  158. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Google report on “Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate”

    311,000 links now reported (where did the other 50,000 go? since last report)

    Now nearly all links are showing links to Kenyan BC a fake stories, with lead story to Examiner Article.

    Remember the Examiner said that Maya had a HI COB! though she was born in Indonesia.

    I guess Obama pounced on them for that, and their new pro Obo story is to make amends to their false Messiah.

    Anyhow, Google is clearly being OUTED by this behavior of their of censoring the Kenya BC story. It means THEY ARE RUNNING SCARED.

    What amazes me is why on earth go to such trouble to discredit your company’s credibility PERMANENTLY and historiccally, when you could just leave it be and let it play out?

  159. Greg,
    Your observation about the two Kenyan BCs is compelling. Where was the Mombasa BC posted?

  160. TO:
    Maddie // August 3, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Portuguese & Nancy—
    I agree the Cyber Attack is plausible. Your plan
    of attaction would be interesting if it’s possible to
    share.
    ===========================

    I’m not just talking in case of a cyber attack but also to get more organzied and be able to plan and strategize away from Public eyes, while at the same time being able to communicate and act in cause of internet or electric failure

  161. Nancy Peacock

    Peter and Maddie, people are afraid to divulge their personal information for fear of reprisals and retaliation from Big Brother. He is real and he can really change the perspective on your day. However, if any of you are around Chattanooga, I’m willing to meet to draw up a plan of action in the event of cyber attack. I guess people just don’t know who to trust and can express their true feelings in anonymity, and then there are people like me . . .

  162. Kenyan Birth Certificate us dated February 17, 1964.

    Obama Divorce Decree is issued in March 1964,

    Folds in the document match the folds for an Air Mail envelope sent from Kenya to Hawaii,

    This document should probably have been included in the Open Files of the Obama Divorce record.

    Was this file cauterized, so that this document removed from the Hawaiian Public Court Records by someone affiliated with the Obama Campaign?

  163. It would have to be centrally coordinated by a Blog Maybe CW can do it or entrust a trusted person to do it, at least an e-mail list where we can e-mails calls to action, etc.

  164. Jacqlyn Smith, It means, the entries, in book 44b, appear to be correct, in regard to when they occur, date, time, in the record. The link at 7:48, from, South, shows a 1959 BC. At the bottom, of the document, it says where the record can be found in the “book”. It says the record can be found at “book 44b page, 5733”. Now, if you look at the bottom of the Obama, Kenyan, BC from 1961, it says the record, can be found at, “book 44b page, 6733”. The entry is 1,000 pages later in the book, after, two years, and four months, time span. The entries on the record appear to be in proper sequence and properly spaced in the “book 44b.
    Quite a coincidence, if the Obama Kenyan document, was a phony.
    I also read where someone said “they didn’t have copy machines in 1961” in an effort to discredit the BC.
    The document looks like it was typed, by hand, with a typewriter, just like the one I used back in 1961. It’s about all we had in those days. Typewriters, ribbons, and carbon paper, so you could make more than one copy at a time.

  165. Nancy, SueK, Maddie, et al.

    I’m sure most regulars especially CW knows who are the trusted people here.

    One can easily make up another e-mail address for this if afraid to use regular e-mail. FEAR will get us what we already have. What BO people FEAR we that we will OVERCOME FEAR.

  166. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 3, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Hi CNN,

    The link you provided gave some important info:

    “Obama’s father and half brother were members of a Kenyan tribe and Obama belongs to that tribe and in the eyes of the Islamic world, Obama is viewed as a Sunni Kenyan Muslim, whose loyalty must be to the King of Saudi Arabia. This is the greatest deception ever pulled on Americans that Obama is not a Muslim because if your father is a Muslim, then you are a Muslim.”

    The King of Saudi Arabia, huh? This explains why he went head down/butt up when he met the King; he wasn’t looking for a contact lens, that’s for sure.

    This is pretty much all the proof I need.

  167. TO: Rocknee

    THANKS.

    IF at all possible in the future when saying to listen or see something if a link was enclosed it wold be much appreciated especially by those that come here and only read.

    Thanks again. I had that link I thought it was a diff show. I’ll listen.

  168. Everyone please remember. At this point in time the Hawaiian COLB and this Kenyan BC have exactly the same level of authentication, the same type of pedigree, and the same veracity.

    One of the blessings of this is that it may finally convince a judge of the importance of getting to the real answer.

  169. SueK,
    Thanks for that info on bo’s Kenyan Muslim status and the connection to the King of S. A.
    WOW, that explains a lot now!

  170. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kenya was held to be a Republic in 1961

    http://chillicothe.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=114412159&src=browse

    This is an American Newspaper…

    The Obots seem to be trying to twist the fact that Kenya formally presented itself to the world in Dec. 1964 as the Republic of Kenya, as meaning that Kenya did not already consider itself such in virtue of its Constitution of 1963.

    This is a silly and unsubstantianted argument.

    No Obot is being reported as to have explained

    WHAT OTHER NAME KENYA USED in early 1964.

    There are now several historical records which show that Kenya was refered to as a Republic in the period 1961 – Nov. 1964.

    As for Mombasa, the document being from 1964, must state that Mombasa was in Kenya, even if Mombasa was not part of Kenya until Dec. of 1963, that is after the birth, because official documents identify past facts in the context of present political realities such as national boarders.

    Thus if you were born in the great Republic of Texas before it joined the Union, and requested a BC after the incorporation, the new BC would say that you were born in the USA, the State of Texas, even though historically you were born outside of the USA in the Republic of Texas.

    A simple mind does not understand this obvious reality of govt. documents…

  171. Bob,

    The bc I’m looking at is the one posted on WND 44b, 5733. Wheres the link for 6733?

  172. Yes, it do, Maddie!

    Please click on the link CNN posted at 9:17PM-the righttruth link and read the story.

    It all makes sense, now.

  173. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    TWE,

    That’s a false report.

    The CA BAR is nost seeking her disbarment. Someone else is seeking it and has filed a complaint to the CA Bar.

    A Bar Association does not seek a disbarment, they grant it on their own authority…!

  174. Has any one ever figured out why that Indian couple adopted Barry/bho? Remember it happened during the campaign?

  175. Ed Hall just posted an Australian BC from 1959 that’s the same format as the Kenyan one. It also has the same page and book number which leads everyone to believe the Kenyan is a fake. Unless all British BCs used the same page and Book. We may have been had.

    http://www.plainsradio.com/bc.html

  176. Nancy Peacock

    When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. – Thomas Paine

  177. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Look Folks,

    I see a pattern.

    Obots to discredit whatever they want to discredit, have their operatives in every forum pass along a storm of lies and false accusations, gratuitous assertions.

    The same ones appear on many blogs, and they are intended as PSYCOLOGICAL warfar against whoever is reading.

    If you ignore the accusation until proven true, you show yourself to be a superior intellectual being; if you accept the accusation until proven false, because it makes you FEEL bad, you show yourself little better than a dog or pig, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR BRAIN!

  178. Maybe CW or someone else, could create an exclusive email address that he could post here, separate from his usual one.

    Then post the email addy here, and all of us could send our telephone #’s, screen name, and real name to that address, just in case the internet goes down.

    Just a thought.

    Maybe someone else has a better idea for us to stay in contact, in case of a biological attack on the web from Barry.

  179. Ginger // August 3, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Maybe he figured that having a Native American couple adopt him he’d becone a Natural Born Citizen?

    Don’t know, Ginger, but that’d be my guess-his adoptive parents are Native American so that’d make him good to go?

    Problem is that you can’t be ‘made’ a NBC-it’s a birthright.

  180. Saw these posts on another blog.

    Strong evidence it’s a hoax:

    KENYA ORIGIN IMAGE

    and this

    FYI, this just surfaced on hotair.

    http://washingtonindependent.com/53658/is-this-the-source-of-the-forged-kenyan-birth-certificate

  181. Nancy Peacock

    Who was British colonial registrar in Mombasa Kenya in 1961? Edward F. Lavender

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090802094522AAEysKz

    I don’t know if this link works, but you can cut and paste it into your browser.

  182. TO:

    Jerome // August 3, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Ed Hall just posted an Australian BC from 1959 that’s the same format as

    =================

    Or could it be the on ehe posted is a FAKE?

  183. Thanks ….SueK

    I pray everyday that this evil that is happening to us and our wonderful America will be taken down by our Lord.

    Then I remember the saying…God helps them who helps themselves.

  184. Hi, Lurker:

    You can’t trust everything you read on these ages, and this is no joke. One time I was playing around with years on Stanley Ann and BO, Sr.’s marriage year because I read it was in 1961. Well, not according to LDS genealogy.

    “Stanley Ann Dunham Compact Disc #141 Pin #4767054 Pedigree
    Sex: F
    Event(s)
    Birth: 29 Nov 1942
    Wichita, Sedgwick, Kansas, USA
    Death: 7 Nov 1995
    Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
    Parents
    Father: Stanley Armour Dunham Disc #141 Pin #4772674
    Mother: Living
    Marriage(s)
    Spouse: Barack Obama Disc #141 Pin #4767867
    Marriage: 1960
    , , Hawaii, USA”

  185. The newspaper announcement of Obama’s birth is used to “prove” he was born in HI.

    On Mario Apuzzo’s comments page, Charles Kerchner describes his 10 minutes on Bill Cunningham’s Radio Show last night:

    “I tried to open his mind that the birth registration records existing in Hawaii do not necessarily mean that Obama was born there. I told him that the birth registration could have been falsely filed by the grandmother or the mother and that registration is what generated the newspaper announcements. He seemed to grasp that point as he always on his show said the newspaper announcements are what convinced him Obama was born in Hawaii. I told him that if the registration was falsified then the announcement were generated to the newspapers falsely from that process. I think he finally got it.”

    http://tinyurl.com/mdoxlt

  186. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jerome,

    If the British Civil Service in the Crown Colonies are trained to do things in the same way, then the books will be kept in the same format.

    Therefore, I could go to any former British Colony and find a book and page number to match the one in Mombasa and copy the BC from that.

    Would that disprove the authenticity of the Kenyan BC?

    No.

    Actually it proves it!

    Because it has corroborated nearly every fact about it.

    However, note that this South Australian Certificate has a formal letter head above; whereas the Kenyan has a temporary letterhead in the bottom left corner…

    However, the Australian one is not a photo, but a scanned image; from which it is easy to make a fake.

    The Kenyan is a photo, of which it is very difficult to fake, becaues of the angle and folding and lighting.

    So the Kenyan is more probative.

    The South Australian could easily been faked to discredit the Kenyan. But as I say, it confirms it, more than discredits it, because the British Civil Service in the Crown Colonies would use the same method of record keeping as directed from the Colonial Office in Great Britain.

  187. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jbjd,

    Look at the images you post, before you post false information.

    The folds on the Bombford South Australia image are inconsistent with the folds on the Kenyan BC, different lighting, different angle. No way the Kenyan was made from the S. Aussie one.

    There is no way to fake stuff like that in Photoshop.

    I explained that the S. Aussie may be a fake, but if it is legit, I explained that the coincidence is something that one could intend to find…and that it proves authenticity of the Kenyan…

  188. We need to know how the British do their paperwork and who does it?

    Not only are the page and book numbers the same on the two Docs but so are the Lavender and Miller names. just the Initials are different. So something is going on?

    Personally I’m inclined to believe the Kenyan to be real because of minor details most hacks wouldn’t think of. The wear on the folds, the stain and the staple holes in the upper left hand corner. Little things. Now the seals are different but we can’t seen any detail in the Kenyan.

    We need to hear more from Orly on this. Get a better picture.

  189. Some one post the link to the Kenyan BC

  190. Jerome,

    NO MORE PICS she shouldn’t even have released that one until the court decide.

  191. Rocknee,

    The O’FRAUDS have tried and sabotage the pics inorder to discredit Orly and the TRUTH

  192. Just a reminder.

    When we are refered to as Birthers be sure to add that we are

    CONSTITUTIONALIST

    and dam proud of it!

  193. In Leo’s first comment section now, there’s a document that is another BC of someone named David from a different region. It’s in 1959. It’s similar in appearance as Orly’s. And get this, that name Miller near the bottom right is on it. And another weird thing, you know those Lavender names? This one says G.F. Lavender.

  194. Ginger // August 3, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Right, Ginger, and that’s exactly the word I’ve been using!

  195. Natives are Restless.

    Drudge has a few reports of voters uprisings in many places: http://drudgereport.com/

  196. Prwh

    So there are two 47,044 and 47,644 which was hacked and numbers and initials changed. Slow tonight and I dont have a legal mind. TKS

  197. Lavender name means nothing it is possible you could have 3 realtives doing the same type of work

  198. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Regarding the Bomford.net image.

    The one on plains radio has been edited. This can be confirmed in a text editor, which shows that the Bomford.net image has a Lead Technologies attribution at the intitial line. Lead Technologies is a scanner company I believe.

    The 7s 6d n. 495, at the top of the Bomford and Kenyan appears to be the price and document number, for that specific form, when ordered in Bulk: consistent with what would be a systematically uniform Civil Service proceedure for document procurment.

    We have other records of a E F Lavender as a clerk in Australia: so its a common name. This guy is a G F Lavender; not unusualy to have family follow in same trade. The is probative for the kenyan being legit, because one son may have emigrated to Kenya to clerk there in the civil service. That was frequent, if you could not get a job in your own colony, you went to the local Imperial Club and made a contact with a visiting official of another Colony, presented your letters of recogniztion and got a job there…

    As for the authenticity of the Bomford.net site.

    It came into existence just4 months after Obama admitted in open debat to Keyes that he was not a NBC. At that point Obama’s supporters might have looked at his original Kenya BC and said we need to create context of plausible deniability, by putting out a faked S. Australian copy. I would like to see an older site with this image to prove authenticity.

  199. Nancy Peacock

    It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. – Thomas Paine (1737-1809)

  200. Another thing that makes me believe in the Orly BC is because of just how FAST evidence has been made available to disprove it along with all of the Hacking at various sites.

    The Obama machine is working over time. They are scared about something.

  201. Waiting for Baghdad Bob Gibbs to try to dodge this one.

    The man amuses me.

  202. Leo at “Natural Born Citizen” just pointed this out regarding the Australian BC. Regarding the site it originated from.
    ———————————————————–
    “OK, if I right click the link and isolate the part which you have provided

    it then leads to the South Australia birth certification… but the Way Back Machine doesn’t have this certification you are relying on archived which tells me that everything at this Bomford site is real and archived… but the certifcate – which may be real – is not archived – which means it’s possible that it’s just been added to the site… and that could mean foul play. I really don’t know what to make of it. If I just plug the URL for the image into the Way Back Machine it gives the same response – that the page is not archived – and this does not seem right to me if the rest of the site is. Not saying it’s bogus, but it is an issue. Just trying to be fair and balanced.”
    ———————————————————
    Leo is quite a detective.

  203. Rocknee, The Kenyan BC at Orly’s site says; “book 44b, page 6733”. The 1959 BC from South said; book 44b, page 5733.
    1,000 pages from 1959 to 1961.
    Correct chronology.

  204. Actually, “they” fooled with the original – the goofy, questionable numbers/names were fudged on to the original:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?page=1

    Heads Up – Multiple COLBS Warning [someone swapped out the Kenya BC AFTER it was posted]

    The changes are so subtle, you can barely tell which one you are looking at.

    This modified one is showing jokes like: The Font of the Certificate=Schmutz (A Schmutz is a chump, as in you are a chump) #5733=The number of the Certificate, is code for : “Problem with Windows REGISTRY”, a sly reference to your claim that Obama does not appear on the Hawaii Live Birth Registry. 47O44=Easiest of all. BOH’s age=47 0=O (if you look close you can tell that that is a Schmutz Font “Oh” not “Zero”) EF Lavender is ORGANIC DISH SOAP

    The original one does not say EF Lavender, it says KF Lavender. The original one shows the number is: 47,644.

  205. Are the humiliating Comment-makers and name callers all paid CHICOM Netizens or just paid ACORN activists?
    Thank God for Attny. Taitz and her actions to save the US Constitution and the US, itself.
    Ever notice: On ALL the search engine searches (Read they’ve been suppressing pro-birther results) the criticisms of all us “Birthers” is the same as they do in Red China?
    There, the government employs a horde of “Netizens” to go to sites to humiliate & denigrate & suppress anti-government talk. They’re paid about $.25 per input, I’ve read.
    Just like these apparent ACORN operatives do, they ALWAYS humiliate, denigrate, and use varying terms of “Mental Illness” in volume! Buzzwords like “Wingnut,” “Birther,” “Insane,”Unhinged, “Delusional,”Tin-hat,” “Conspiratorialist,” etc.
    That’s what happens to the average Chinese when they type out loud, and the CHICOMs have even more “Mental Health” Prisons as do the Russians.
    The apparent wave of the future for us here in Obamaland? Is this why The Great O is building more prisons on military bases?
    The CHICOMS have been waging economic and PSYOPS warfare on us a long time, at least since JFK (Oooh.. LISTEN TO THEM HOWL, NOW!). They’ve apparently continued their terroristic use of Biblical prophesies and Feng Sui (Remember what they did on 6/6/6? On 7/4/6?) by creating as part of The Big 0’s Economic Manchurian Candidate grooming and Legend, that he’s “Actually the Anti-Christ” (Imagine the desired conquer-and-divide reactions.) That his name, “Barack Obama,” as pronounced, means “Antichrist,” in ancient Hebrew from the Book of Luke, according to a religious researcher. The video, actually a good one, can be seen at this YouTube video on World Net News. I bet the CHICOMS knew this when they choose his Legend name.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527 is the site.
    This creation of a well-groomed “Legend,” part of an overall economic warfare agenda, taking over at the top, is as old espionage craft as is planting ads in prominent Hawaii newspapers, making myth become “The Truth.”
    .I lived in Hawaii when they were contemplating that legislation for the COLB’s. At first it was touted as being “Generous” for the cheap immigrant Filipino sugar cane workers, because it allowed them access to Hawaii’s huge entitlement programs. But when the Legislature found out hat it could potentially let a foreign, hostile, espionage agent in as US President, they RUSHED to pass that bill. HI is half-way to Red China IN EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. Very asian-based racist, they love to rip off tourists of any color or race, but there is not a school in Hawaii that does not have “Kill Haole Day,” the first day of school, where any Caucasian kid who doesn’t want to get beaten stays home.
    Hawaii politicians are more corrupt and racist than NJ or Chicago. Call ME a conspiriatoralist? For my own anti-drug work, I was beaten three times. Twice by the Lahaina Mafia, and once by the MPD. You could ask Sen. Inouye about it – He wrote to say it would be investigated.
    These people who know not that major criminal and espionage crime are, indeed, CONSPIRING, ought to get off their high horses, and stand among common men such as myself, in the know, and in the craft, for a change, before flinging their verbal spears at others.

  206. Maddie @ 9:09,

    With ya sista!

  207. JeffM @ 9:10,

    Thank you!! I agree. It’s a girl thing! ( sorry, Peter) LOL !

  208. Some obots are hard at work trying to make baseless lies about the BC being a hoax. They just can’t stand the fact that BO just might have been born in Kenya, which I believe. The people in Kenya say it’s common knowledge. I think the people all over Africa pretty much know he was born in Kenya. They said he was at the continent of his birth when he visited there.

  209. Lurker @ (:19,

    Thank you! 🙂

  210. In case some of you are confused, the 1959 BC is from Australia – 1961 BC is from Kenya.

    I do not think the number sequence is significant.

  211. Opps …
    Lurker @ 9:19

  212. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Observer,

    You just reposted a hash of lies and gratuitous assertions, which have been amply responded to.

    You reposting of it is not worthy.

    CW,

    I just got off the phone with a document researcher friend of mine who has INFORMATION about this Bomford BC.

    Mr. Richard Bomford, of Bomford.net, has personally verified that

    1) No news agency has contacted him previously to 1 hour ago about this image.

    2) He has not seen the actual document, and cannot attest to whether the scanned image is legitimate.

    3) He received this image by email after 2005 from someone claiming to be David Jeffrey Bomford, who contacted Richard on his own initiative, without sollicitation.

    4) He has never seen a Certificate of Registraion from a Crown Colony personally, and cannot attest to what one looks like.

    CW,

    If you want to interview this David Jeffrey Bomford, my friend gave me his email, and I can send it along to you, if you tell me how…

  213. Jacqlyn Smith

    Guys….relax…..Orly has the real one….all these fake ones being released on the internet just shows how easy it is to fake a certification of birth…..that is why we need the FRAUD to release all of his records and quit stalling!!! This only helps our cause….it shows theirs is a fake too!!!

  214. Wow Kittycat!

    That looks like an attempt to backdate, make O birth legit…in those days, babies out of wedlock were legally considered bastards possibly.

  215. Jacqlyn Smith

    #
    woops says:
    August 2, 2009 at 11:10 am
    A question to Dr. Taitz and her answer….she says they….so it must be more than one person involved in the release of the document she took a picture of and put on line!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    How can the registrar’s seal be dated the year 1964 when all this takes place in 1961?
    #
    dr_taitz@yahoo.com says:
    August 2, 2009 at 11:10 am

    that is when they got the certified copy

  216. truthbetold11

    obots slow news day? Whats all the fuss about some birth certificate. Just because obots it will change your way of life and your childrens way of life etc!! Its not about trying to prove a point about who’s write or wrong. We are all americans and want to stay free. We will ALL suffer if he remains in power we will all feel his hateful wrath. This is just the beginning of the battle

  217. CNN–Thanks. Good to have a legal read on that link

  218. Is it just me? Put your ear to the ground. Can you hear the RUMBLE?

  219. truthbetold11

    JS good point, where in the world do you hide something like this? Remember shawshank redemption and morgan freeman hit the box under a black rock in buxton under the biggest tree. thats the type of place i hope this is.

  220. I have no opinion as to whether the Kenyan document is bona fide, just as I had no opinion as to whether the COLB is for real. Hours and hours spent in futile speculation. Instead, I ask myself, assuming the COLB is real, does it establish BO is a NBC? The answer is, no. So, ever since last year, I have focused my work on getting people who question whether BO is a NBC – and I believe he is not – to set in motion the process that will either expose he is not a NBC or, cause the fact that he refuses to confirm whether he is, to keep him out of office. 1) Since I began blogging last year, I have been advising people as to how our government works. As soon as I learned something, I passed it around. In fact, until this past election cycle, I had no idea that no provision in any federal or state law requires any government official to verify the candidate for POTUS from the major political party is a NBC! For example, I asked citizens to use challenges already authorized by law in their states – I looked up laws in those states for people who asked – to keep BO’s name off the general election ballot, reasoning if he wasn’t on the ballot, no one could vote for him. When people wanted to sue but were using mandamus as the cause of action, I figured out another way to go, using soon-to-be deployed (federalized) National Guard to file for Declaratory Judgment. (Mandamus was never going to work to force a vetting because no law requires any public employee to vet.) (None of the attorneys who have filed suits have used my complaint.) Most recently, I am soliciting pledged delegates for either HRC or BO from binding vote states, who voted for BO at the convention but would not have had they known the DNC had no basis to Certify, he isa NBC; to either complain to their A’sG the DNC committed election fraud, or file a civil complaint of fraud in court. (I spell this out on my blog.)

    In sum, I have no idea which documents ‘out there’ are real, nor do I have any interest in engaging in fruitless speculation as to their authenticity. Who knows what’s real, anyway? But most importantly, as I posted on my blog last November and have maintained since: my job as a citizen is not to prove BO is not eligible to be POTUS. Rather, my job is to make him prove, he is. And there are a million ways to do that.

  221. truthbetold11

    or you good hide at larry sinclairs place. you no gho wont go there

  222. truthbetold11

    bho

  223. Jacqlyn Smith

    Truth—I love that movie…one of the best of all time 🙂

  224. Jacqlyn Smith

    jbjd—-I think all of us here know it’s not about the BC and never was…he can never be a NBC no matter what…..however…..having said that…the BC is now a part of this whole cover up because there has to be a reason why the FRAUD will not show his hand…..could it be he goes to the BIG HOUSE if he does????

  225. Jacqlyn Smith,

    Ok, are you saying you believe this Kenyan BC is legit or are you saying that Orly has a different one than we are seeing now?

    Your earlier comment reminded me of an old skit on SNL. The comedian would always …
    Simmer down, naw, skimmer down !

  226. not skimmer … simmer … I’m tired!

  227. Val,

    LOL , but the skimmer mistake was funny!

  228. Jacqlyn Smith

    Just to clear a few things up…..Orly has the real registration form that was given to her by someone(known to her only) and she took a picture of it to post on her website. She has also hired a private investigator to take the information to Kenya and try a find out if this birth of the FRAUD is actually registered there like the piece of paper says….it will be easy to prove if the Kenyan government cooperates and that is why she asked for the international help from the court…she is in the process of getting it authenticated….much more that the FRAUD has done with the fake one from Hawaii!!!

  229. Jacqlyn Smith

    Sorry for the typos above!! You get the gist of it!

  230. 8-03-2009 MICHAEL SAVAGE INTERVIEWS ORLY TAITZ – PART I & II

    MICHAEL SAVAGE INTERVIEWS ORLY TAITZ – PART I

    MICHAEL SAVAGE INTERVIEWS ORLY TAITZ – PART II

  231. There is something strange going on here. Where did Ed Hall find this David Jeffrey Australian birth record? Did he just accidently come across this obscure genealogy website? Did someone send it to him? Did he do a google search for Book 44B page 5733? Can someone answer this?

  232. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Val // August 3, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith,

    Ok, are you saying you believe this Kenyan BC is legit or are you saying that Orly has a different one than we are seeing now?

    Your earlier comment reminded me of an old skit on SNL. The comedian would always …
    Simmer down, naw, skimmer down !
    *******************************************************

    Val—remember…..this is just a registration form and not the BC…this form should authenticate the BC….meaning d0es the information on this registration form jive with the real BC if it does exist??? Also…I think when they check the book for the registered births they will see if the number on this form matches the birth it says to the page in the book….if it is missing then for sure something is amiss!!

  233. Jacqlyn,

    Thank you for the reply. I wish she had waited until after the PI, etc… before posting the Kenyan BC. I thought I read somewhere that she already sent the PI to Kenya. I also recall reading that she will have a lot of information out before Obama or the Gub’ment could reply.

    I sense a calmness today that wasn’t here yesterday or thins morning. Are most of you skeptical of this BC? I’m feeling like …. I’ll believe when I see it? I read that API is confirming this as a legit BC. That really makes me skeptical !!! Maybe we’ll see that “whitey tape’ after all …

    ????

  234. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jonah—-Be careful of what you believe Mr. Hale to know. I’m not sure why he would post the Australian one.

  235. Val

    The South // August 3, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Their saying the original number on the document was actually “47,644″ and that E.F.Lavener was actually “K.F.Lavender”

    From what i’m reading on the thread, Orlys site was hacked, as well as the original scribd site document, and replaced with those changes above

  236. Jacqlyn Smith

    Val—just remember what Dr. Taitz posted was not a BC….it is a registration form and nothing more. If the BC exists it is yet to be seen…..then again so is the one that the FRAUD posted as real!!

  237. i noticed on a dem blog, but can’t remember which, a poster known as koyaan seems to be the one who “discovered” that the kbc used the south aussie bc as a template. which makes me think it’s the other way around, as I have long wondered if koyaan is like a paid bot or something base on my past experience reading his posts.

  238. Hi Maddie,

    I did the same thing–went to Orly’s site and have nothing but trouble since. In fact, my computer locked up. I have every kind of protection. Called IYogi. He worked and worked. Is better, but now my Mcaffee says computer isn’t protected. bkw

  239. LC writes more about the BC

    http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/

  240. There is the name of a Government printer on the very bottom of the Australian BC. Can anyone make it out? It’s not on the Kenyan.

  241. JS,

    I read several times yesterday that the document Orly has is the only document most other countries in the world provide. You are born and the record goes into a chronological book. When you need a certification of that record – you get what Orly has. The original document is in the book.

    I worry that in Obama’s case, the page is no longer in the book.

  242. I just hope Orly didn’t get this certificate from Hall.

    The Bomford document is geniune , no question about it.

  243. Don’t mean to insult anyone who thinks Hillary “might” come thru in a good way, but IMO, it isn’t going to happen. She may not be as Communist as O, but she’s definitely socialist. Personally, I think she’s fine with his agenda and supports it wholeheartedly. Orly needs to get that documented authenticated ASAP. I hope she’s taking steps to stay safe.

  244. truthbetold11

    The imortal words of fred sanford. This is the big one elizabeth. I’m coming home.

  245. Ladyhawke

    Someone posted that the British books of certificates, if a page were missing it would be noticeable.

  246. truthbetold11

    I also feel that this could be the pre release of something bigger coming and maybe more damaging than this.

  247. 8/4/09 1209am. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Barry!!

  248. Jacqlyn Smith

    Found this at…….http://rightsoup.com/it-aint-the-mainstream-media-but-the-globe-gets-in-on-obama-birtheligibility-scandal/

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    It Ain’t The Mainstream Media, But The Globe Gets In On Obama Birth/Eligibility Scandal
    Email This Post Email This Post December 15, 2008
    Posted by: Erin
    Tagged: Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Leo Donofrio, Obama birth certificate, Obama eligible for presidency, Obama Globe magazine, Obama natural born citizen, Obama scandal, obama supreme court

    Tabloid magazine the Globe hops on the Obama birth certificate and natural- born citizenship scandal with a front-page story this week! It’s not the New York Times, but still…here’s the teaser.

    PRESIDENT-elect Barack Obama is being rocked by a series of shocking new lawsuits charging his election was illegal! GLOBE’s special report reveals why some national leaders believe his Hawaiian birth certificate was forged – and that America’s next commander-in-chief was born in Kenya, which could doom his presidency. It’s must reading.

    The decision by the Supreme Court on another suit (Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz) is expected today. This suit is similar to, but better positioned than Leo Donofrio’s suit which was denied by the SCOTUS without comment on Dec. 5th. It isn’t challenging Obama’s birth certificate, rather his “natural born citizenship” status. There are very compelling constitutional issues at stake, so it will be interesting to see if this one beats the odds with the Supreme Court, and is actually permitted to proceed.
    UPDATE: The Wrotnowski suit was denied without comment by the SCOTUS.

    December 15th, 2008
    The Supreme Court orders denied Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz application for staying the election as well as requesting that the Court would grant an injunction disallowing the Electoral College to hold its vote today until Barack Obama’s eligibility could be finally determined:

    08A469 WROTNOWSKI, CORT V. BYSIEWICZ, CT SEC. OF STATE
    The application for stay and/or injunction addressed to Justice Scalia and referred to the Court is denied.

    There are many other suits attempting to oust Obama. We’ll have to see if any of them get anywhere.

  249. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Army DAV,

    How do you know that the Aussie one is authentic?

    Have you called David Jeffrey Bomford?

    Have you been to the Registrar of Briths in South Australia?

    Com’on now….!

    No one is saying either is authentic. That takes a lot of research to prove, let alone say: one can say that it appears authentic or appears a forgery. But more than that, one must do some real research and talk to real experts and witnesses…

  250. truthbetold11

    the globe no one really takes to serious, i think it helps spread the conspiracy theories around and around till its watered down and people just laugh and say oh its in the globe ha ha ha . it needs to get on other covers

  251. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    As for the letter O being used instead of the number Zero in the 47,044

    If that disproves the authenticity of the Kenyan BC, it also disproves the authenticity of the South Australian BC, beccause

    The Aussie also uses the Letter O insteand of the number Zero, or at least also uses the same symbol for both. (Maybe British typewriters did this) I know from typing class, many make this mistake because it is easier and quicker.

    The problem with verifying the Birth of anyone, is that when you go to the Registrar of Births they want the Name and date of birth. And as of yet, we have not seen any paper documents which have a birth date, other than that which Orly has.

  252. I have no more doubt where you born ????????????
    just forget..
    and many many return of the day.

  253. Rocknee,
    Yes, but the page would still be missing.

    Isn’t Obama’s evil cousin prominent in Kenya?

  254. Ladyhawke

    Yes but the book page and date would all align on the missing page. Something a forger could not do.

  255. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Im just saying I hope Orly didn’t get that doc from Ed Hall ………..

    Ed Hall booted me from his site when I caught him in a lie about the certificates he claimed he had.

    That was the the same time Berg went after him for the same thing….

  256. We need to know where Ed Hall got his Australian document.

  257. Jacqlyn Smith

    That was a great write up by Lame Cherry….I sent it out to 100’s of people including O’Reilly and the rest of Fox News…..Below is the information for calling and emailing the producers of Fox News….lets see if we can get Farah of WND on Hannity or Beck since O’Reilly is such a shcmuck!!!!

    Mitchell, Ron Producer (212) 301-3697 (212) 301-5147 ron.mitchell@foxnews.com

    Monaco, Rob Producer (212) 301-3198 (212) 301-5147 rob.monaco@foxnews.com

  258. Jonah // August 4, 2009 at 12:48 am

    We need to know where Ed Hall got his Australian document.

    *******************************

    Yes and how convenient just in time for the show tonight, and boy it didn’t take long for him to discover there was something wrong.

    He makes up stuff to sucker his listerners for more money….

  259. Ed hall and notice about pulling the Australia COLB.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts?q=1&;page=6001#6001

  260. Army D.A.V.

    I first saw the Australian BC posted on Freerepublic, I am not sure of the timing with the Ed Hale show.

  261. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Folks,

    Another poster here said that Orly has an actual paper document, and that jpg is a photo she herself took.

    Read the posts, before posting.

    It does not matter where Ed got His document, that has nothing to do with it.

    And the document at Orly’s site never said anything but 47,044 and E F Lavender. Why on earth would anyone go to Free Republic to find out what is on Orly’s Site. Go to the source folks!

    As for viral problems at Orly’s site: never had any myself, so don’t understand what’s up…

  262. Rocknee,

    Of course I agree, but the page would still be missing. It would look extremely suspicious – hopefully damningly so – but the proof would still be gone.

  263. Ladyhawke

    Ed and I go way back when MommaE was there .

  264. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://www.coastweek.com/3231-02.htm

    I am not into Conspiracy theories, but from this link it appears that the Kenyan President recalled at the chief Diplomats from their Embassies round the world, to have a meeting with them at Mombasa for the week of Barry’s birth, to get them all on the same page regarding Kenya’s image in the world.

    This is very strange. I can add that several correspondents of mine affirm to have written different Kenyan Ambassadors in different countries, during July, asking what documents they have to prove Barry is son of Obama Sr. This seems to be the response.

    Can we say that it looks like Kenya is hiding something? Knows a crisis is involved, and that to resolve it they had to recall all their top diplomats (does that mean all their Ambassadors?) to Mombasa for Barry’s Birthday?

    But an Obot will say he was not born there 48 years ago…

    The coincidence raises questions about that denial…

  265. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The coincidence seems to imply that the Kenyan Government knows that Mombasa is related to Barry’s Birth Day and that all their Ambassadors need to recognize this…

  266. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    If Barry was born in Mombasa, Kenya better distance herself from Barry ASAP or they will have egg on their face and be accused of collaboration in an international conspiracy of epic proportions, which would greatly damage their opportunity to obtain foreign aid for decades…

  267. Jacqlyn Smith

    This is a comment from an attorney who comments occasionally at The Right Side of Life……this sounds supportive of what Orly is doing!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Lawyer from Missouri says:
    August 3, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Under Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) 902 (Self-Authenticating Documents) its states the following:

    Rule 902. Self-authentication

    Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:

    (12) Certified foreign records of regularly conducted activity. In a civil case, the original or a duplicate of a foreign record of regularly conducted activity that would be admissible under Rule 803(6) if accompanied by a written declaration by its custodian or other qualified person certifying that the record:

    (A) was made at or near the time of the occurrence of the matters set forth by, or from information transmitted by, a person with knowledge of those matters;

    (B) was kept in the course of the regularly conducted activity; and

    (C) was made by the regularly conducted activity as a regular practice.

    The declaration must be signed in a manner that, if falsely made, would subject the maker to criminal penalty under the laws of the country where the declaration is signed. A party intending to offer a record into evidence under this paragraph must provide written notice of that intention to all adverse parties, and must make the record and declaration available for inspection sufficiently in advance of their offer into evidence to provide an adverse party with a fair opportunity to challenge them.

    What Taitz is doing is proper because it requires foreign records to have notice. Per notes on FRE 902, “The notice requirement in Rules 902(11) and (12) is intended to give the opponent of the evidence a full opportunity to test the adequacy of the foundation set forth in the declaration.”

    To protect the individual who supplied it, she is seeking outside representation and verification to authenticate the document for court.

  268. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Orly has the actual document .? Where is this information?.

  269. CNN, The document,( photo of the document), from Orly,says, the record, being certified, can be found at, “book 44b, page, 6733”.
    Looks like it would be easy to verify, find book 44b and look on page6733. Done.

  270. Anyone else notice that Hillary Clinton left bright and early this AM to go to Kenya. I’m not kidding.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-08-04-voa1.cfm

    Could that be a coincidence? The morning after this certificate comes to light and Orly Taitz files a motion that involves Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State verifying the certificate… Mrs. Clinton has a scheduled trip to Kenya. Hmmm. Scheduled in advance…. Scheduled just before BHO’s birthday. I wonder if she’s part of all of this in some way. Not a lot of love lost between the two. He seems to have followed the old maxim to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Maybe she’ll be singing “happy birthday Mr. President” soon to a slightly different tune than Marilyn did for JFK. Never underestimate her ambition. She might be interested in being the one who delivers the truth… or perhaps makes sure that it comes to light. Just a thought…

    Political cartoon:

    [The President sitting with his cabinet with Hillary’s chair empty] Rahm Emmanuel whispers in one ear, “Mr. President we may have a problem with a certified copy of a certificate that has come to light from Kenya…” Obama: “where’s Hillary?” Don’t you remember, Mr President, she’s headed to Kenya on her African tour….

    If this wasn’t so serious… that scene would be even better.

  271. Was Apuzzo in court today? Read somewhere, he had a court date today, Kerchner v Obama.

  272. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    From Orly’s site………

    The undersigned counsel for Plaintiffs has acquired possession of a color copy of one certain document (attached as Exhibit A to this motion), regarding which there are no ready means of authentication except by recovery of the original document.

    Where does it say she has the actual paper document?.

  273. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Army DAV

    See this post above on this same thread as I know post:

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 3, 2009 at 11:35 pm

  274. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The Australian document has been found to be a forgery………….. I was just proven wrong .

    There is still hope……

    Half way down the page.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2307402/posts?page=1019#1019

  275. Anyone awake that has posting privileges on lucianne.com?

    Please come help me out on this thread:

    O.C. lawyer claims to have Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate
    http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=485926

  276. The Bomford certificate has been scrubbed, can no longer find it.

  277. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Army DAV,

    I personally would not jump the gun declaring anything a forgery. To make that a call, you really need the original paper document and even that needs to be authenticated.

    There are document forgers out there that can fool experts, and certainly they can fool most of us.

    As for the signantures, the one on the Kenyan is pixelated in a manner similar to a cut and paste edit, whereas the one on the Aussie one, seems to be real ink on paper.

  278. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    But the pixelation could be a product of Jpg compression

  279. Ladyhawke
    Look for register on the menu bar…….

    ************************
    bob strauss

    Yes , it’s been pulled……..

  280. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I have a copy of the original bomford from bomford.net…but I believe it is best not to post it on the web. This is a case of document forgery potential. Really devious Obots would use anything to make patriots look foolish, even to the extent of paying professional document forgers.

  281. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    On problem with the Bomford and Kenyan BC comparisons is that the Bomford appears to generated from a Scanner. But a Scanner can scan an authentic or a forged paper document. The Kenyan is a jpg image of an apparently real piece of paper, with folds. But text can be applied to such an image to make it look like it is printed on folded paper: it takes a very sofisticated program to do this. Of the kind the CIA alone would have…or some other intelligence Agency…

  282. I am holding my own at lucianne.com – only important because even Rush Limbaugh has admitted to checking in there daily.

    After I learned that, I monitor that site all day long and try to keep this story alive.

    No one has so far replied to my facts on the story about Orly. They may be asleep.

    LOL.

  283. So far it looks good , the MSM is breaking down badly, they can no longer keep the dam from breaking.

    No more tea party stuff , this is a grass roots movement now…………

  284. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Good for you Lady Hawke!

  285. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The important thing about the Kenyan BC is that it has prompted Orly to send a Private Investigator to Kenya to dig up the truth.

    The problem is when was Obama Born? and Where, even if in Kenya? the Granny is said to have said Mombasa…

  286. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Farah has now publically voiced his doubts about the Kenya Certificate of Registration

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105902

    but gives no reasons. Even says that objections to its authenticity are weak and arguments against are good.

  287. Orly is in Isreal right now, she doesn’t have to send anyone to Kenya.

  288. This is from a commenter (Kitau):

    I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya.
    I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical.
    I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.
    So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.
    The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.
    I stress the word “copy.”
    My copy also has republic of Kenya.
    So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.
    The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor.
    We are very proud Obama was born here.
    We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.
    They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets. Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground. It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.
    I encourage anyone to come here and visit.
    I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted.
    God Bless.
    Kitau
    http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2009/08/03/birther-wackiness-continues-with-release-of-obamas-kenyan-birth-certificate.htm

  289. Jacqlyn Smith

    Georgetown…..your post sounds fishy….but everyone go there and vote…..NO…you don’t believe the BC Obama issued is real!! VOTE….VOTE…….VOTE

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2009/08/03/birther-wackiness-continues-with-release-of-obamas-kenyan-birth-certificate.htm

  290. Yes the commenter Kitau does leave out some crucial observations… unless she has another
    copy?

    Anyways I voted already . New from Andy Martin: (KBC-Kenyan BC)

    “I suspect the KBC may be a forgery that was created by Obama himself, as part of his admissions package to Occidental College. Obama forged the KBC to falsely claim Kenyan birth as part of his ‘affirmative action’ application to Occidental. That is a very real explanation for the KBC. The KBC may also explain why Obama has shrouded his college records in secrecy; he should now release all of them to the public”

    http://www.pr-inside.com/chicago-news-conference-tuesday-obama-r1420868.htm

  291. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 4, 2009 at 2:39 am

    Farah has now publically voiced his doubts about the Kenya Certificate of Registration

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105902

    but gives no reasons. Even says that objections to its authenticity are weak and arguments against are good.
    ******************************************************

    CNN—I read the post from Farah but I didn’t really get why he titled it that way because he didn’t really give the reasons for his doubt!!

  292. Georgetown

    Kitau is a phony, he mis-spelled the school name , its spelled Shah not Shaw.

    These people never give up………

  293. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Army DAV,

    If every time I mispelled a word, proved I was a fake, I’d be in a realy big steww!

  294. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    From that urbanlegends site, looks like it is just as likely that someone used the nik Kitau after Kitau did, to impugn her credibility.

    But she does seem to gusy for me to be real…

  295. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I should have said he’s phony and to top it off , too stupid to get the school name right.

  296. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    One interesting thing I note from reading a bunch of sites in Kenya, is that when speaking or commenting on the question of Kenyan birth, no Kenyan paper has disavowed that he is born in Kenya. They don’t even say that they have reearched it.

    That is strange…can anyone find links to the contrary on this?

  297. I don’t read Lame Cherry but if you need a pick me up at this hour, go read his latest.

  298. Well this is agood thing His BC will make it to Court after all ……

    A California attorney has now filed a purported KBC with a federal forum. The Department of Justice and FBI automatically have jurisdiction to investigate matters filed in federal court.

    Someone forged a birth document concerning the President of the United States. He may have forged it, or someone else may have forged it. The American people have a right to a thorough and impartial investigation of this matter

    Did O forge his own documen?

  299. OriginUknown

    I gotta say Orly needs a Media front person to speak for these allegations, court proceeding’s, and birth certificate challenges. She has a big heart and a lot of emotion pinned-up shes letting it get to her. She must assume the media will badger her in “ANY” interview and be ready to keep calm.

    Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w

    If anyone out there Citizen Wells or ANYONE who has some connections for Gods sakes please please please convince her to have somebody be her front person in public things. This is her enormous weak spot and they are milking her on TV. When I saw this interview I wanted to beat the snot out of that Guy. And this Lady pops in to pretend to be the unbiased giving her a chance to speak, while Orly speaks shes saying words “crank” “Crazy” and so on. THIS is infuriating, and poor Orly all caught up in emotion can’t seem to gather herself with Wit and cognitive thought. WE NEED A MEDIA PERSON THIS IS EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    She needs to be told by someone FOR THE LOVE OF PETE someone say something.

    my 2 cents

  300. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Lame Cherry’s post “Obama’s Fingerprints” is a bit much. He has not even attempted to identify the seal, if it is a seal at all.

    As for Bomford.net, it probably was overloaded by requests and took it down; or is now worried about having distributed a potentially forged document…

  301. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Origin,

    The fact that it is obvious she is being persecuted, makes her a Martyr figure for the Patriot Movement.

    Most sane people will emphasize with Orly when they see others beating up on her.

    Also, when some one is a kook you don’t continuously ridicule here on every net work. I think most will see this ridicule effort as overkill and wonder why so many in the media are attacking this woman.

    Orlys site is getting over 1 million hits a day, so I say, that their efforts have back fired.

    Many believed O because the COLB jpg.

    Now they have the Kenyan Certificate of Registration (COR).

    This should prompt Congress and the FBI to an impartial investigation.

    If Obama had a legit BC, he’d release it now to prove Orly is a Kook. He does not. That means he has NOTHING to fire back with.

    And so Orly is winning…

  302. Finally caught up on the posts and comments since I was here late last night. Holy Cow! A lot to catch up on! I caught the replay of O’Reilly at 10 CST and gotta say he pissed me off! Mr. O is definitely the #1 Pinhead!

    I pray that this copy that Orly has is the legit evidence to take Oblow-blow out!

    My only thought in reading from a comment above about Team Obama forging this doc…is that they did it so now he can come out with his “Real” *sarcasm* HI bc. Remember that we were all stating that he’s prob been working on a “good forgery” once he is finally forced to pony up.

    What say you?

  303. I am also game in giving my contact info to CW…I do think something dark is brewing and soon.

    God Bless Us All

  304. I believe it is an authentic document. The Obama Hackers modified the original one.

    Check out my analysis here.

    http://obamabirthers.com/index.php/obama-birthers-kenya-birth-certificate-may-be-real/

  305. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Dave,

    There was no hacking. Orly’s original has E F Lavender. I downloaded it just 1 hour after it was posted. It is still the same image on her site in my browser…

    A friend of mine who listened in to Plains Radio and the Eligibility Question back in Dec, says that this is the same image floating around back then. Nothing has changed on it. Even the Bomford site was questioned before, and it also pulled that image back then.

    The problem is, considering what my other friend who spoke with Richard Bomford told me, why on earth did Richard Bomford of Bomford.net repost the image? And why does not David Jeffrey Bomford respont to a phone call? Why does Richard Bomford give out an email address on his own website? No one has proven any provenance for the Bomford document.

    For a newspaper like the Washington Independent to print a story, before verifying their sources, means that they have NO JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY. Richard Bomford admits no journalists called him, as of when my friend spoke to him in person.

    So an unauthenticated jpg in Australia is being claimed to be evidence to prove an unathenticated image in California.

    Have a lot of people lost their marbles?

    Don’t they know how to think?

    Don’t they have even the faintest clue or interest in what constitutes a bona fide authentication of a document? Or are a lot of Obots merely girly-boys rooting for their pin-up “Messiah”?

  306. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Another suspicious fact is that this Richard Bomford of Bomford.net lives in the Australian Capital Territory, and therefore may be an employee of a foreign Embassy. He told my friend that he was born in England.

    HIs home is worth nearly $500 K Aussie Dollars (this guy aint poor!)

    And look, this Richard Bomford is listed under Companies at

    http://www.gim-international.com/companiesdirectory/id2462-Bomford,_Mr_Richard.html

    Evidently he is promoting himself as a GIS information expert (that means computers and imagine expertise).

    This site GIM International is run by Dutchmen.
    http://www.gim-international.com/companiesdirectory/index.php

    http://www.gim-international.com/contact.php

    This site also has a correspondent in Kenya
    http://www.gim-international.com/colofon.php

    The original EF Lavender jpg at Orly’s was claimed to have a watermark in Dutch disclaiming it as a fake. I found no such watermark.

    I think that Mr. Richard Bomford knows who is behind the fake, and which jpg is the fake.

    This GIM site with Bomford listing, is a Reed Business news subsidiary

    http://www.reedbusiness.com/index.html

    Here we have a connection between Bomford and the Main Stream International Media. We also have evidence that Bomford knows a lot about computer and image storage and modification, of the kind used in maps, which could be applied to document forgery.

  307. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    CW,

    I just posted a blockbuster investigation report on the Bomford site owner, its in moderation I guess…

  308. Wonder if this is a relative- wonder if this statement relates to Hillary?

    kitau says:
    “I AM SORRY MY COMPUTER KEYBOARD OLD AND THE KEY BROKEN.
    I HAVE SAID THE TRUTH. THERE ARE MEDIA HERE IN KENYA THIS WEEKEND TO INTERVIEW THOSE PRESENT AT HIS BIRTH.
    IT WAS VERY MEMORABLE BECAUSE BLACK WITH WHITE WOMAN RARE BACK THEN. SO THERE ARE MANY THEY WILL INTERVIEW AND ALSO PROVIDE PHOTOS FROM THE HOSPITAL AND RECORDS.
    TODAY I WAS AT HOSPITAL AND THERE ARE GUARDS EVERYWHERE.
    I NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. LOTS OF BLACK SUV CARS WITH NO PLATES. I AM SO PROUD WE ARE FINALLY GOING TO GET THE ATTENTION WITH TRUTH WE TRYING TO GET OUT HERE FOR A LONG TIME NOW.

  309. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    More info about Mr. Richard Bomford

    Click to access 03%20SP%20List%20of%20participants.pdf

    says he was an official government Officer in the Australian Regional Unit for the Environment (though the email given spells the name differently–this Bomford must aslo live in the Austratlian Capital Territory, like the Bomford.net owner.

    However this Richard Bamford is involved in a recently adjudicated case (July 10, 2009) of high level fraud in Australia

    http://business.smh.com.au/business/from-ragtrader-to-rags-an-entrepreneur-stretches-too-far-20090710-dg0w.html?page=-1

    The Question is, is Richard Bamford Richard Bomford?

    According to the United Nations Environmental Program circular, I just cited above, they are the same person!

    According to this link, they not only are the same Person, but both reside in the Australian Capital Territory…

    2002 World Summit on Sustainable Development – Pacific Region Multistakeholder Consultation
    4 – 7 September 2001, APIA, Samoa

    List of Participants:

    http://www.sidsnet.org/docshare/other/pacific_WSSD.doc

    I think that Richard Bomford knows a lot about who forged this D J Bomford BC.

    To close, my friend confirms that Bomford denied having any email to prove he received the Bomford BC via email. He said he had it, but could not find it any longer on his computer….

    David Weigel at the Washington Independent…your journalistic integrity has just been impugned….

  310. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Note there is a second follow up report on Bomford, showing that he may be the Bamford recently involved in high level financial fraud in Australia.

  311. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Add, “In moderation” after “Note there is a second follow up report” in my previous post

    CW!

    2 posts in Moderation!

  312. Once again,

    Ed Hale has NOTHING to do with either document. He copied it from Free Republic after it was posted there.

    He is a GLOMMER. He insists on inserting himself into each angle this BC drama as if he deserves the credit and then twists his own stories to do so. No….not twists….LIES

    Then he kicks people out who call him on it…. HE IS WORSE THAN OBAMA

    RUN from him. Go to Free Republic message forums for up to date and in depth analysis. They exposed the Rathergate docs. They are why you had this info HOURS before people here started posting about HALE having it

    Hale is an attention seeking goober and all the attention and credit you all gave him here last night is why he does what he does.

  313. JBJD:

    “my job as a citizen is not to prove BO is not eligible to be POTUS. Rather, my job is to make him prove, he is.”

    NAILED IT!

    Why in the hell are WE having to prove him ineligible when he has never shown us, his employers, he is eligible?

  314. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    This Kitau, has a name that is Entically found in the region of Mombasa. If he is a fake, he is a well informed fake.

    Considering that this JPG image has been out there for a while, it could be that Richard Bomford copied the Kenyan, and Faked the South Australian.

    From my posts which are currently in moderation, you can ascertain for yourself if Bomford has the skills to do this…It seems from his attendence of a meeting in Indonesia, and association with a Dutch Website that he may know dutch and be thus the author of the Dutch Disclaimer…

    It may very well be that Bomford is the forger and the Bomford BC is the forgery, and that Kitau is telling the truth, that his Mombasa BC is identical to the one on Orly’s site…

  315. Hold the Presses! My daughter just showed me something. She had me open both the Australian and Kenyan documents in Photoshop Elements. From there she had me under the Image menu “Divide Scanned Photos”. Nothing appeared on the Kenyan document, however six layers pealed away from the Australian one. These layers all showed distortion. Layer 1 – Date and Place of Birth Layer 2 – Father (followed by) Name, Surname, Age and B Layer 3 – Name, Surname and Birthplace Layer 4 – Issue { Living Deceased Layer 5 – Signature, Description Informant Layer 6 – The entire right section of the page, specifically the inserted text fields and bottom right quadrant Will post these late tomorrow afternoon. The interesting thing about Photoshop elements is that on edited photos it will pull them apart. On unedited photos there will be no layering. All of the separated layers exhibited a great deal of pixel distortion around the letters. I believe the Australian certificate is a fraud.

    From freepers

  316. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Sandy,

    I don’t know what that guy is looking at. Firs of all he is not using the original jpg from Orly’s site. Second the coat of arms in the Aussie is obviously different from the coat of arms in the Kenyan. Though I agree there does not seem to be folds in the coat of arms of the aussie. The Seal on the Aussie, however, seems to have the armorial bearers (the figures on each side (they look like unicorns to me) of the center shield which hold the shield) differing from the Aussie coat of arms(the Aussie has a man on the right, the kenyan has lions on each side).

    I am comparing the original images from Orly’s and Bomfords site, not those posted at Free Republic.

    The Kenyan has Capitals on the same line as the lower case letters, but the Aussie has Capitals slightly above the line on which the lower case are placed. The Aussie to this extent mimics what happens on only type-writters, when typing quickly and one does not depress the Cap Lock key fully. The Kenyan would have to be typed by someone who always pressed the Cap Lock all the way down. Possible.

    However, when typing on a page near its bottom, the paper usually slips causing the lines to be crooked. This appears to be happening on the Kenyan, but not on the Aussie.

    There seems to be minor facts which may point to the forgery of both. I did find a D J Bomford in South Australia, with address and phone number, so it seems this guy may exist: however that does not prove his BC is his, or an authentic one. Obama also exists, but that does not prove his HI COLB or Kenyan COR is authentic.

  317. The layering of the Aussie doc seems damning to me.

  318. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Sandy,

    What is Photoshop Elements. Never heard of it. There is no function in Photoshop C3 to do this.

    I would like to see confirmation of every allegation. This one seems unlikely to me, since most using photoshop know that if you create an image with several layers, you join them into one layer before saving. The Aussie has a tag showing a Lead Scanner (which could be faked, yes), the Kenyan shows that it was produced in Photoshop (also could be changed).

  319. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    However, from my posts in moderation, there is ample evidence that the Bomford could be the forgery, not the original.

  320. CNN….if you visit with the Free Republic forums…you will get the latest. They really are on top if this

  321. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I’ve read several links there, Sandy, they seem to jump the gun and say things that are not true. I have examined nearly a dozen allegations and found them dubious or false. So I do not share your esteem for Free Republic…

  322. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Like the accusation that Kenya did not use shillings and pence, but cents; ignorance personsified. “d” in England means both pence and cents; pence is pennies, cents are pennies too. I think in American “d” was used for pennies/cents early on too.

    The crest argument on the Aussie is totally wrong, its not the Kenyan Crest at all.

    Both use the same font, so if the font is 1995 on one, both are fake not just one.

    The lack of folds in the Aussie Crest or other parts of document: not true, there are slight distortions on the parts cited, though nearly none on Crest, yet something.

    etc. etc. etc…

  323. CNN @ 9:11,

    OK, give it to me straight …. what’s your take on this?

    Kenyan BC – legit or fake?

  324. I saw that on FR there were a lot of reports that were all false rumors reported by some biased reporters. I think FR likes to have those kinds of articles for their sarcastic comments. The news is not being fair to people by making the birth issue look like it’s crazy. They were cruel to Orly. They were saying that the Kenyan BC was debunked when it wasn’t even authenticated yet. I hope that it is authentic so that all those news people will have egg on their faces.

  325. Civis, when do you sleep? I’m worried about you!
    I appreciate all the research you are doing but don’t forget to take care of yourself. We need you to be healthy!

  326. I agree about that CNN. There is a lot of disinformation at freepers. Most of it comes from trolls who have recently joined. You can scroll over their name and find out when they joined and weed out a lot of bad info.

    Plus….I always open another window when a claim is made and research it myself if it is questionable.

  327. LADYHAWKE,

    Good job wish I could’ve helped but I wasn’t here and not yet registered there.

    Keep up the great work.

  328. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Kim,

    I sleep fine; just one of those guys who does not sleep according to the position of the Sun, and has a job which accomodates this.

    Val,

    My take is that, based on internal evidence, it is more probable that both are fakes, less probable that only the Kenyan is a fake, least probable that both are genuine.

    So I have recourse to external evidence.

    From other sources we know that there was an E F Lavender in Australia, clerking in 1890’s. And that there is an Eric Lavender in Australia in his 70’s, currently. There is a poster Kitau, a name from Kenya, claiming the Kenyan is identical to his own and that he was born in July of 1961.

    Bomford’s reputation is in doubt. A member of the Bomford family in the USA allegedly called Plains and said both were frauds; this Jim Bomford had knoweldge of the Bomford.net site in Australia.

    When you have a Bomford claiming the Bomford.net is a fake, and a Kenyan claiming the Kenyan is authentic, makes you rethink the issue.

    Sara Obama was interviewed by an Anabaptist Missionary and his translator. I am not an Anabaptist, but I trust Missionaries not to lie about such things. I still believe Granny and that he was born in Mombassa, but that does not mean the Kenyan BC is authentic. It could be such a good forgery as to lead to the authentic one. But there is yet no evidence to authenticate either image. The provenance question regarding the Kenyan is what most interests me. The provenance of the Australian obliges one to doubt it, and hold that is a forgery until proven otherwise.

  329. Has anyone noticed the signature on the bottom right? The signature looks a lot like how Barry/Obama signs his name!

  330. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Georgetown // August 4, 2009 at 6:31 am

    Link:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-Hall-Examiner~y2009m8d3-Lawyer-claims-to-have-Obamas-genuine-birth-certificate
    ******************************************************

    Georgetown….That person pretending to be Kenyan is commenting here as well….I believe he/she to be a fake!!

  331. zachjonesishome

    Update from Washington. Twitter

    CrystalChaliceWw have served McCain AZ and Bond MO and Levine MI

  332. JBJD…………………………………………………
    Please perdon my simplicity, but I have a question; Where, and when I attended school in both elementary,and high school I was consistently taught that because the Constitution was originally drafted by the framers as LAW,there is no need for multiplicity of the text as such becaue it is ALREADY LAW. Why do we need hundreds of duplicates, and /or idiotic variations, composed by jackasses who would subvert the Constitution to read the way they WANT it to read. For years it was taught that the Constitution as it “STANDS” is the law of our land, and for people to try to make it mean something other than what it CLEARLY states tells volumes as to their own mental state. Further I was always taught that to even effect an amendment to the Constitution requires the ratification of at least three quarters of our states. The Constitution is QUITE CLEAR to me where the “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” requirement is concerned. If people can not understand English then I would suspect that they were probably SLEEPING during their English classes.

  333. CNN,

    Correct me if I’m mistaken, but you often work through the night don’t you?

  334. Hey guys, go to my site. I have a different document than the one on Orly’s. You tell me. I am deeming it a forgery but maybe I am wrong…

  335. Jacqlyn Smith

    Time to start calling fox news and boycotting beck too!!! He and O’Reilly are pushing the envelope and think they are going to continue to get our viewership….BOYCOTT!!!!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105898

    WND Exclusive BORN IN THE USA?
    Now Glenn Beck slams Obama birth issue
    ‘What, are you going to take him out of office? You can’t do that’

  336. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Greg Goss // August 4, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Hey guys, go to my site. I have a different document than the one on Orly’s. You tell me. I am deeming it a forgery but maybe I am wrong…
    *******************************************************

    The only document I am interested in is the one Orly has in her hand….speculating on all of these posted on the internet now is just that…..speculation….once the sunlight shines on all of this mess then we will see the truth from the facts. I’m sure there are all kinds of documents out there now….and trying to figure out if they are fakes or not would be a waste of time to me…..all are fakes except the one in Orly’s possession…..just my opinion!!

  337. Folks,

    How do we know that this birth document is a fraud? The Obama bots hacked the original one, so how do we know that the Aussie one wasn’t made up to? The fact of the matter is.. Orly Taitz will present it in front of a judge. If a judge verifies that this document is real (Regardless if it is or not) – Obama will be forced to release documentation and his presidency will be toast.

    To see the original document, unaltered by obama hackers – go here and read the main headline.
    http://www.obamabirthers.com

  338. If Orly presents this to a judge and he deems it as real, all of this chatter is meaningless and Obama will be forced to release documentation. I think that whether it is fake or genuine, it continues to put pressure on Obama.

    To see the real unaltered hacked documents, and my analysis – check my website out on the front headline.

    http://obamabirthers.com

  339. Jacqlyn Smith

    Let’s see if the hospital takes him up on his offer….I doubt any hospital in Hawaii can claim this money though!!!!

    Farah’s birthday challenge: A $10,000 gift to hospital
    WND editor says he will make donation if Obama releases long-form document

    Read it here…..

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105840

  340. I’m on the fence here, but the thought that this Kenyan document may actually be the smoking gun won’t leave me.

    We have been on such a roller coaster ride over the last year, and led on so many wild goose chases, that we are ‘paranoid and skeptical’ of anything, to the point of trying to pick it apart down to every last detail.

    What if?

    What if, this oh-so simple image of this document IS the real thing? What if we’ve just over analyzed this?

    Perhaps it is the simplest little piece of evidence that will prove he was actually born in Kenya, but we are so skeptical, that we just can’t swallow the fact, that this may actually be IT!

  341. If the Kenyan birth certificate is proven in all aspects to be valid you can expect the entire US Government to fight this, and in all probability Congress will hastily attempt to pass a bill to make any birth certificate other than that which they deem the one that they like the best to be the only VALID BC. In short Congress will NOT allow the TRUTH to be presented as such, and will use every ounce of power that they can muster, no matter how much it costs, or how many people it effects. Be ready for one hell of a battle of wits, law, and money. Before it is over there will be bodies strewn about like mass exterminated ants. People like MMMMSSSS. PELOSI, and her slimey cohorts will use every legal bullet in their possession. However they WILL LOSE because of their own moronic tennacity in trying to ram thrir MANURE down the throats of all Americans. Hopefully ALL of the perpetrators, will end up looking at the inside of Leavenworth for a long time.

  342. Hi my name is Greg Goss and I am a birther. This is my first BA meeting..

  343. Linda from NY

    Dear CitizenWells:
    I have been reading your blog since August of last year, and I am grateful for what you have accomplished in your search for the truth. I compliment you for providing a forum where citizens of this great country can help each other sift through mounds of information quickly, discern what is useful and discard what is not, and discover/uncover the truth . I sincerely believe seeking the truth in these troubling times is a worthwhile goal since it has become increasingly apparent to me as well as to others who post here, our country is in peril. So many people are actively engaged in various endeavors throughout the USA from Internet Blogs to Tea Parties with one purpose in mind; to save our beloved country from those who seek to destroy it. That alone is encouraging as are your efforts to defend the Constitution and save our Republic. My heartfelt gratitude goes out to you, CitizenWells, and those who post here for your tireless efforts to seek and find the truth. You are all precious in God’s eyes IMHO! I have one bit of advice for all of you, though. Patience is a Virtue; A Virtue is a Grace. Put ’em both together, and you get a Happy Face! May God bless your efforts today and always. Sincerely…Linda from NY

  344. Greg link your site ..please…

  345. Domino’s in DC is giving away free lava cakes for O’s “birthday.”

    Could it be that’s because lava comes from volcanoes

    …and volcanoes are in Kenya?!!!! LOL!!!

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/around-town/food-drink/Even-YOU-Get-Cake-for-Obamas-Birthday-52368132.html

  346. JUST A BIG “THANK YOU” TO CW AND ALL YOU LEGAL EAGLES WHO ARE DOING THIS YEOMEN’S WORK TO SOLVE THIS HORRENDOUS USURPING OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRTY. GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. THIS SITE GIVES ME HOPE.
    ms. helga

  347. Georgetown, click on my name

  348. Nancy Peacock

    Everybody, pray for our nation. We have a massive undertaking ahead of us and it’s going to take all we’ve got and more to withstand the slings and arrows from the governmental left. Hold fast to what we hold dear . . . our blessed Constitution . . . and defend it against all criticisms. Boycott whom we must . . . but, always defend the Constitution. No explanation necessary.

  349. Greg Goss // August 4, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Hi my name is Greg Goss and I am a birther. This is my first BA meeting..
    #################################

    Greg, thanks for sharing

  350. “Farah’s birthday challenge: A $10,000 gift to hospital WND editor says he will make donation if Obama releases long-form document”

    They need to make sure the hospitals in Kenya know this also. And $10,000 would probably be some good money to them.

  351. Cool Greg … Thanks

  352. Jacqlyn Smith

    Just sent out my first email today to O’Reilly and Beck….also 100’s of others with this article and blasting the Hypocrites for trashing our Constitution while claiming to defend it!!!

    Read here about “Dirty Harry” Reid….I can’t stand the man and he represents my state!! YUCK!!

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105895

  353. gotta go…@ 364 & counting…gonna be a new thread up when I return?…

  354. You know what’s fascinating about this, do I dare call it a movement, is that even if you saw the long birth form that proves that Barack Obama was born in the U.S you still would say that he is not Natural born because his father was not a citizen. Never mind that the Constitution does not define what “Natural Born Citizen, Nor does it states anywhere that both parents have to be Citizens of the United States

    I know, I know you define “Natural Born” from what Vattel wrote in the Law of Nations. Let’s suppose this does goes to court. How are you going to prove that the writings of Vattel were used to define “Natural Born Citizen”? I read what Orly said that most of the founding fathers had copies of this book and she showed where Benjamin Franklyn thanking Vattel for his English translation of the book. But that does not prove anything. In fact, if you read Book 1 Chapter12 paragraphs 129-131, Vattel writes where States( free nations) should form a State religion and that if the people do not conform to this religion that they should be banish from their lands and sent to a nation where they can practice their religion. Now if you compare that to the First Amendment of the Constitution where is states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”, it completely contradicts Vattel on State religion. Just think if the the Founding Fathers were to adopt Vattel’s notion of a State religion. We would be just like Saudi Arabia.

    I bet the Founding Fathers based Natural Born Citizen from the following.
    English Common Law
    Birthright citizenship, as with much United States law, has its roots in English common law.[3] Calvin’s Case, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608), was particularly important as it established that under English common law “a person’s status was vested at birth, and based upon place of birth–a person born within the king’s dominion owed allegiance to the sovereign, and in turn, was entitled to the king’s protection.”[4] This same principle was adopted by the newly formed United States, as stated by Supreme Court Justice Noah Haynes Swayne: “All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural- born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country…since as before the Revolution.” United States v. Rhodes, 27 Fed. Cas. 785 (1866).

  355. Civis,

    Regarding your 3:29 am post.

    The document, supposedly “certified with an embossed seal” and “witness signatures” says America’s next commander in chief was born at Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa at 7:24pm on August 4, 1961.

    Officials at the hospital confirm they’ve been besieged with requests for information on Obama’s birth but haven’t been able to find any record of it.

    “We do not have computerized records going back to the 1960’s and can only sort through our archives by hand,” Dr. Christopher Mwanga, an administrator at the Mombasa hospital tells GLOBE. “We have searched for all the names of babies born on Aug. 4, 1961, and have not found the name of Barack Hussein Obama. That is all I can tell you.”
    _________

    Raila Odinga or one of Obama’s half brothers or sisters probably has the original stashed away.

    The truth will rise to the surface.

  356. Patriot Dreamer

    venice, thank you for sharing that great article from American Thinker!

  357. Jacqlyn Smith

    Jim…..There’s your clue…..Birth and allegiance go together. Even if the FRAUD was born in the US his allegiance at birth was to a British citizenship….something the founders profoundly made clear they did not want to happen to the USA!! In the FRAUDS case he was not only governed by British Law “at birth”….he also then became governed by Kenyan and later on Indonesian…..having all these allegiances does not allow him to be POTUS as the term “natural born” would not apply to him…therefore ineligible….therefore you are correct in your opening statements…..the FRAUD can never be a “natural born” citizen….even if he shows his long form BC….we all know it…..now you know it!!!

  358. Jacqlyn Smith

    Civis….they have to get the book with the date and page number….also track the registrar…there is an investigator on it now….however corruption seems to follow the FRAUD where ever he has been…..I wouldn’t put it past anyone there to cover for him!!!

  359. Jacqlyn….. Did you read the first part where it says “a person’s status was vested at birth,” Not by parents by Birth. Many of the Founding Fathers and other citizens had English or foreign parents It is Birth where their allegiances is. Not where their parents were born.

    I really do like your name. If my wife has daughter, I would like to name her that, course I would have to get the Mrs permission.

  360. Jim…

    The Supreme court RULED in the “Minor” case that there is no doubt a “Natural Born Citizen” is a child born to two US citizens and that anything else has yet to be decided. So, according to the SCOTUS Obamas natural born status has not been determined yet by law. It shou have been brought up right away but everyone’s afraid to do that. Afraid for one reason or another.

  361. Jacqlyn;

    Who is “HARRIET” Reid?

  362. I don’t disagree with you Jerome, but that does not change the fact of Natural Born being at Birth according to English Law.

  363. Jacqlyn Smith

    Great article at American Thinker if you didn’t read it yet!!

  364. Jerome and Jackie,

    Don’t feed the paid Obot troll. Ignore it.

  365. SueK….”it” LOL kewl.

  366. This is from that YouTube, InspectorSmith site that I keep up with because of some interesting comments by others. What do you guys make of this comment?

    ” challenger112244 (14 minutes ago)
    Spam Marked as spam
    Go to Orly Taitz blog and read the anonymous report by an alleged State employee who indicates the cat is out of the bag on Orly’s certificate. Conference calls between lawyers and of all sources ‘Politico’ disclose doc is the real McCoy!! “

  367. Has anybody sent the Messiah a birthday surprise yet?

  368. SueK I’m trying to have a serious dicussion here. If you disagree with me then fine. No need to call me names. Other OBots like me will bring this up and it will be brough out in court. Your dizzy Orly would know how to explain this would she? How are you going to address it?

  369. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Jim // August 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Jacqlyn….. Did you read the first part where it says “a person’s status was vested at birth,” Not by parents by Birth. Many of the Founding Fathers and other citizens had English or foreign parents It is Birth where their allegiances is. Not where their parents were born.

    I really do like your name. If my wife has daughter, I would like to name her that, course I would have to get the Mrs permission.
    *****************************************************

    JIM…JIM…JIM…just cause you like my name is not going to get you anywhere…..the founding fathers put a clause in the Constitution that reads “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the US at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution…….so the founders parents didn’t have to be citizens yet….they were alive at the adoption….and the FRAUDS status is what his citizenship was governed by at birth….that would be BRITISH because his father was governed under British citizenship….you can not SPIN with me….go try an OBOT site….they like to SPIN!!

    Jerome already told you what the case law says….you are trying to ignore what has already been state in a court of law…..once these cases are heard on their merits the FRAUD is convicted of treason!!! Many others will go down as well for the cover up!!

  370. We are making headway :

    Perisistent ‘Birthers’ Fringe Disorients Strategists

    …turns 48 today, a few celebrations are on tap inside the White House, including a quiet breakfast with his family, lunch with Democratic senators in the State Dining Room, and dinner with his wife and a few friends..

    “The noisier commotion over his birthday is taking place outside the White House”…!!!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/us/politics/05zeleny.html?hp

    How ironic:
    BO..who incidentally shares the day with Great Britain’s Elizabeth the Queen Mother..

  371. Jim… Our Whole Constitution is Based in one way or another on English Law. The Founders didn’t just pull the whole thing out of a hat. They took the best parts and made it their own.

  372. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    oldsalt77 // August 4, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Jacqlyn;

    Who is “HARRIET” Reid?

    ***************************************************

    Old Salt….it is the Senator of my state…Nevada…..I call him “Dirty Harry” Reid!!!

  373. JIM

    It would seem to me that the most appropriate action that you could take would be to stick your head in a toilet, and pull the handle, because that is where all moron obots who can’t understand ENGLISH are destined to end up.

  374. Jacqlyn Smith

    There are no living family members to testify to

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/us/politics/05zeleny.html?hp

    From the above article in NY Times….

    the events of Aug. 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu. The president’s parents are both deceased, as are his grandparents, who played a significant role in raising him.

    HMMMMM…how convenient for the FRAUD!!!

  375. From Orly today:
    Debunking the obots, Bomfort report. Time for Obama and Fukino to pack their bags and go.
    August 4th, 2009 Debunking Obama’s thugs in the media

    Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream media came up with this Bomford report in order to stop my efforts in exposing and prosecuting Obama. Though typically I don’t have time to waste on each and every dumb obot, since it got to National TV and my children”s friends called my children, I’ll spend a few minutes to debunk the obots:

    1. Kenya became an independant country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct.

    2. More then one person had certified copies of this document.

    3. the document was not issued at birth, but rather was a certified copy obatained in1964, when Kenya became independent

    4. The documents from that time would not show Zanzibar, but rather Kenya

    5. Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts

    6.lastly, I am not supposed to waste my time and money on this issue, Obama us the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy

    7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the n et, which doesn’t have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures.

    8. Chioumi Fukino and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).

  376. Sandy, quick Photoshop info. I am not familiar with “Elements,” but I am familiar with the “building” of images in Photoshop, having worked in advertising.

    Photoshop work is done in “layers.” You can literally have hundreds of layers. BEFORE sending them for reproduction the “layers” must be FLATTENED (i.e. merged as one layer).

    If it was a scanned image, that would be the first layer. Anything else that was done to the original image would be done on new layer(s). The number of layers would be up to the creator. You literally could have a single number, or letter on one layer. Completely up to you.

    I’m not trying to discredit you. I’m just trying to understand better what you are saying. Does your daughter know if the image was “flattened” if “Elements” can still undo the layers.

    Thanks.

  377. Looks like the “fringe birther” movement is making headlines again:

    Persistent ‘Birthers’ Fringe Disorients Strategists

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/us/politics/05zeleny.html?_r=1&hp

    Orly’s name is mentioned in the article which is a good sign that our efforts are gaining headway. Would love to see a follow-up article stating: “New Evidence uncovered by Orly Taitz, lady extraordinaire, points to massive fraud and cover-up by the WH: CIC not-eligible to hold the highest position in the country”.

  378. What Jerome is talking about is citizenship through Naturization by Parents, example John McCain. But Natural Born is by birth

  379. @ Jim,

    First Congress. Session II. Chapter 4. 1790

    And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed. (a)
    Approved, March 26, 1790

    Jim // August 4, 2009 at 11:41 am

    “You know what’s fascinating about this, do I dare call it a movement, is that even if you saw the long birth form that proves that Barack Obama was born in the U.S you still would say that he is not Natural born because his father was not a citizen. Never mind that the Constitution does not define what “Natural Born Citizen, Nor does it states anywhere that both parents have to be Citizens of the United States”

    The Constitution was written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and in operation since 1789, natural born citizen issue addressed and approved in 1790, I would say they had their acts together, wouldn’t you?

  380. McCain may not be Natural Born either. His parents were citizens but he was born in Panama. There’s been a lot of debate on whether he was born on of off the Base down there, and what laws determined his status, but the fact is if you require a law to make you a citizen then you are not Natural Born.

  381. Well good luck with the Kenyan BC. I’m sure Orly will represent you guys well in court.

  382. OT, but joyous if only temporary. Both cess pool sites are down. har har

    regulator & mitch&beoyotch

    Longtime LWS supporter, and proud of it!

  383. Jim,

    How about this … Osama Bin Laden gets into our country – marries and inpregnants an american woman. They have a son. Son grows up and wants to run for The POTUS ….

    Are you going to tell me that will fly?

    And there is no difference with that scenario than the one we’re watching right now.

  384. citizenwells

    SueK.
    I am watching.

  385. B.O. is having a birthday dinner with some friends? I wonder who they would be.

  386. Jim // August 4, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    This is NOT where you belong. Run along now, and let the Patriots do the work you don’t seem to understand.

    Why are you here causing trouble?

  387. LOL Nancy ^^^^^^

  388. citizenwells // August 4, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Thank you, CW.

  389. citizenwells

    *********************************************
    Let’s all stay focused.
    The Obama camp is sweating.
    They will continue to try diversions and divide and conquer
    techniques.

    Top down:
    Long time Obama fraud, deception, corruption, lies.
    Not natural born citizen.
    He is hiding his entire life.
    I believe he was born in Kenya, however it does not
    matter.
    This alleged Kenyan BC is not crucial.
    What is crucial is how we deal with the attacks.
    “A house divided cannot stand.” A. Lincoln
    *********************************************

  390. Ruby —

    That law was repealed in 1795, when Congress realized they could not make anyone a natural born Citizen without a Constitutional Amendment. They changed the word to Citizen, and that is how it has remained ever since.

    In fact, between 1803 and 1855, the children of American citizens born overseas were considered “Aliens.” That law was changed back to Citizen during the administration of President Pierce, and made retroactive to 1803,

  391. Lurker,

    All right!!! Thanks for the info!!

  392. Sandy- I bet there is another Birth Certificate
    that bears the name of the Republic of Zannibar,
    issued on the date of his birth, with the UKC London emblem. One wonders why they are fighting those terms so much and contradicting factcheck.org and fightthe smears.

  393. Interesting post from one of Orly’s bloggers comments.

    kitau says: “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.” August 3, 9:04 PM

    33 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:25:46 AM by shield (A wise man’s heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool’s heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
    [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies

  394. Richard, Orly copied that from FreeRebuplic, just to get it right…

  395. Val,

    They’re using the old (original) wordpress blog now. lol Some asked there: what happened? Then the cover up excuses as to why it’s down. But the first comments tell the truth, like this one: What the hell happened to my site?
    Anyone know? (by M&N)

    I hope the criminal sites stay down forever.

    Okay, back OT.

  396. Lurker and Val, what are you guys talking about?

  397. Yuck. Check this out. They had kids make this huge picture of b.o. for his birthday out of beads.

    http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090803/ids_photos_ts/r3995144343.jpg/

  398. Foxnews is reporting…Obama administration officials are holding discussions that could result in White House counsel Gregory Craig leaving his post, following a rocky tenure, people familiar with the matter said. White House Counsel’s Job Is at Stake

  399. Greg Goss,

    Longtime LWS tormentors, harassers, stalkers, and liars, etc….. Their blogs have been shut down. The two hosted by godaddy. Now they’re on their old wordpress blog whining and excuse making. I hope that one gets zapped too.

    Also, LWS has updated his blog today. Oh boy, that man has guts! Go Larry!

    http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

  400. Hospital in Kenya says they don’t have a record for Barack Hussein Obama:

    Possibly that was not teh birth name and was changed later. I keep saying Stanley Ann Dunham and possibly Obama Sr were not the parents. They brought teh child as an infant to USA to make him a citizen for immigration purposes. Having a citizen anchor in USA in those days was worth Gold.
    If you think in that mindset it makes sense the whole scenario.

  401. Nancy @ 1:14 pm

    Yuck. Check this out. They had kids make this huge picture of b.o. for his birthday out of beads.

    *******************

    Hey Nancy,

    You won’t hold it against me if I don’t look; will ya? lol

  402. Nancy,

    Obama will have his birthday dinner with the best friends money can buy…

  403. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Orly has posted
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3621

    these comments from Free Republic:

    —————-

    Carl says: “I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job. I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.” I’m not surprised.”

    ——————————————————————————–

    kitau says: “I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya. I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven. So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964. The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered. I stress the word “copy.” My copy also has republic of Kenya.” August 3, 9:04 PM
    ——————-

    Evidently Orly’s people believe the document is authenticated in England, and that Overseas Service had the capacity to authenticate.

  404. Greg @12:11PM,

    You da man, bud 🙂

  405. This is the long version of the statement wherever it was posted first. http://NOIRI.BLOGSPOT.COM

    kenyan

    I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya.

    I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put on by Taitz and mine is exactly the same. I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical.

    I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.

    So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.

    The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the “copy” of the original was ordered.

    I stress the word “copy.”

    My copy also has republic of Kenya.

    So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama’s birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered.

    The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor.

    We are very proud Obama was born here.

    We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother.

    They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets.

    Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground.

    It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

    I encourage anyone to come here and visit.

    I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted.

    God Bless.

    Kitau

    MEANWHILE FROM LONDON

    Carl says: “I can’t identify myself here because I’d lose my job.

    I’m a low level employee of the US State Department attached to the Overseas Service and I just finished a conference call with two lawyers in London and two journalists from Politico.com who all stated that they just left a late meeting at the London Foreign Office and they were assured that “The Kenyan birth certificate is without question, 100% authentic.”

  406. Peter Francisco @ 1:23 pm

    Why would they do that? lol Sorry, but that just sounds reaching. No offense Pete; I do appreciate your enthusiasm and patriotism.

  407. okay…I’m back for a short review…dang…412 comments and no new ‘thread’. you must know me by now…tend to look for funny-bone stuff…got wired that way, I suppose:
    ——————————————————–
    Mr. GG at 10:58 got the best chuckle outta me today…love the “BA Meeting” spin…that could take on a life of its own…
    —————————————————–
    more seriously…and this time I’m gonna just be direct with my question…why do ‘you’, and you know who you are…even bother responding to the ‘you-know-whos’…at all?! I don’t get it. Didn’t you ever learn how to ‘just say no’?…
    the weeds are growing here from both ‘camps’, as it were…meanwhile HRC’s reportedly off to celebrate with some of the ‘hommes’ in Kenya.
    ———————————————————
    and I don’t think any have made it clear about good ol’ jbjd…(who I do not believe is alone, btw)
    there, I wrote it out for you…please prove me wrong, if you’ve got some evidence to the contrary…or are you concerned you’ll get another label…as a “Hillary-hater” for exposing her dubious agenda?
    Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?
    or am I mistaken?

  408. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Sorry the correct Orly link is

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3619

    And it was the foreign office, not Overseas Service: I mis-summarized…

  409. Patriot Dreamer

    Kim, this is just my opinion, but I do not find African Press International to be reliable. Take anything they say with a “grain of salt”.

  410. Civis NN & Richard,

    Thanks for the updates. My skept-O-meter is “slowing” nudging toward “convince”. Slowly……

  411. sorry, CW…gotta ask (chuckling):
    has anyone seen that
    ‘rear-view mirror-look-to-the back-seat’ thing..?
    …Belvedere speaking, that is….heh, heh…
    as you are ‘watching’?…
    —————————————————–
    okay…gotta run again…new thread next time, perhaps? Maybe some ‘birthday party ‘updates?

  412. Lurker,

    No, I won’t hold it against you. LOL I don’t blame you.

  413. My problem with the “Carl” comment from Orly’s site. It was made at approx 1am today. Now say what you will about Politico, but there is no way there would sit on this story. It is too big not to break it.

  414. Patriot Dreamer

    Interesting article at Canada Free Press regarding the media blackout on Obama’s eligibility:

    “Media Blackout on Obama eligibility dates back to November”
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

  415. Hi Lurker and Greg,

    God bless Larry for what he’s had to endure to get this book out; mine’s on the way!

    There was yet another threat leveled at him for today, His Majesty’s birthday. I remember Larry said he had a doctor’s appointment and the preson threatening said that was the point; that Larry would get a big surprise today.

    They will stop at nothing, won’t they?

  416. So – somebody correct me if I’m misunderstanding here, as I’ve just jumped back into the fray – am I understanding that we’re gradually getting closer to official authenticty? if so, what happens next?

  417. Patriot Dreamer

    Transcript of G. Gordon Liddy show with Dr. Corsi (from WND) on the Kenyan certified copy of registration of birth:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307912/posts

  418. Long time reader – Not sure if this documents (quotes) have been brought up before.

    Kenyan National Assembly — Wednesday, 5th November, 2008

    Ms. Odhiambo: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour. (3275)

    Mr. Deputy Speaker: Ms. Odhiamo, you are a lawyer. You had better be very careful where you transgress between watching your own sovereignty and what can be interpreted in some quarters as some form of treason. (3276)

    Mr. Affey: For the first time, we have a leader of a great country in this world whose blood is Kenyan. (3276)

    Hon. Members, as you may be aware, people of the United States of America have just had a historic election where the son of this soil, Barrack Hussein Obama, has been elected the 44th President of the United States of America and the first African-American President in the history of that country, please join me in registering and sending this House’s congratulations to the President-elect Obama for overcoming great odds to emerge victrious. (3276)

    Mr. Musyoka: At the beginning of this year, Senator Barrack Obama called me at mid night and told me: “Mr. Vice President, could you make sure you sort out this problem?” I want to assure him that the problem has been sorted out. (3277-8)

    Mr. Wamalwa: That is why a young man who, in spite of the colour of his skin, his tribe and descent, was able to win the elections that were truly historic. (3281)

    Ms. Odhiambo: One of the things that affected it is the migration that has seen a lot of people migrating from African countries to the West, and Barrack Obama is a product of that reality. Therefore, as a Kenyan living in Kenya I support a Kenyan-American. (3287)

    Kenya is going to receive a lot of attention, but let it not be negative because we are the home of the President-elect of the USA. (3287)

    Mr. I.E. Mohamed: Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if there is one lesson we can learn from Obama being elected as the first African to the presidency of the United States of America is the courtesy of having very strong institutions that would allow that. (3292)

  419. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Greg Goss,

    Why would Politico send anyone? Most online news sources never leave their desk. Politico actually has reporters, and sent 2 of them? Why were they invited and not the MSM? Where is the BBC?

    Why would Oversease Service (if there is such a thing) be on a conference call with to London Lawyers.

    As for the time of the post, which time zone is Free Republic In? Second, a lot of civil servants in Britain hit the restaurants and then the pubs and return home late.

    But it sounds melodramatic to me. If a civil servant posted such a message, in my department, I could easily find out who he was, and sack him: so his story does not add up, since he identifies himself as being a part to a conference call.

  420. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    My final paragraph is a dramatic example. I do not work for the US Govt, nor head any department…

  421. From API:
    There should be no question about the certificate below. If there is any challenge to this fact, the only person who can do that is the President Himself. The only way to do that is by releasing one he thinks is more genuine than the one below
    link is located above with original poster.

  422. Fernley Girl

    From OC:

    Postby Just plain Linda on Today, 10:16
    This from RosettaSister:

    willie b. Says:
    August 4, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    I saw on a dem blog the other day that the person claiming to have “discovered” the Bomford BC is none other than the poster some of you may know as KOYAAN. I recall when koyaan posted on these blogs and appeared to me to he used deception regarding his motivation. Anyone have any further insights into this? I wish I had bookmarked the page I recently saw but in any event, it was indeed a post from someone using the moniker koyaan. The obots on the site were bouncing off the walls with excitement and throwing accolades such as “genius” at koyaan for his “discovery”.

    *********************

    I’ve had a few run-ins with Koyaan over the years, and I can guarantee you if Koyaan “found” the Aussie certificate IT IS A FAKE. Koyaan was online before GUI’s and is perfectly capable of having created the fraudulent document and inserting it into the Bomford website.
    A patriot must be ready to defend his country against his government. Edward Abbey

  423. John Feeny, I am somewhat on the fence over it’s authenticity but there seems to be an expert in birth certificates from that area of the world and time frame by the name of Sam. Everyone, including CW was copied on his emails where just states with much certainty the document could not possibly be genuine. One such email was this one “Orly’s document is titled “CERTIFIED COPY”. I kept telling all of you that it’s a fake for a variety of reasons. One reason is that such documents in Kenya were (and still are) titled “AUTHENTICATION”, not “CERTIFIED COPY”. There are many other reasons. It took me all of 5 minutes to see that the “document” contains 12 crucial errors and is undoubtedly a forgery.

    A few days ago, no one would listen to me and I was viciously attacked for doubting the “document”. I love to say “I told you so”. And I did, multiply.

    Sam”

    So it will have to be a wait n’ see

  424. Patriot Dreamer @ 1:33,

    More like a whole salt mine! lol It was the AP that turned me into the skeptic I am with regard to any BO bombshells. I hate being played for a fool. Just the facts ma’am. I want this bc issue solved just like everyone else. And, if this latest alleged bc is “verified” to be the real deal, I’ll be celebrating right along with all American Patriots.

  425. Justme,

    I know very little about Photoshop. I posted that directly from a comment at Free Republic from two people who broke it down last night.

    It is pretty clear now the Aussie document is a fake and not just because of the photoshop layering.

    There is a whole thread dedicated to that document where tons of folk have been looking at it. They both may be fake, but this one has already been shot down

  426. ORLY is working FOR Obama?

    “Dear Orly:

    PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.

    THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:

    This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President’s VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).

    This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.

    The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity

    Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.

    These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public.
    (§92F-12) (3) (15)

    UIPA STATUTE Part II:
    “To balance the individual privacy interest and
    the public interest, allowing access unless
    disclosure would constitute a clearly
    unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

    Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”

    DEAR ALL:

    Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she’s not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She’s a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn’t tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure–she KNOWS THIS.

    Think about it–where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far–in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?

    WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:

    On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:

    In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:

    “Ms. Okubo–

    Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008):
    ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ”
    Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:

    “Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”
    Please reply with her answer.”

    You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.

    But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:

    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

    I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.

    Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.

    But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:

    “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures…”

    BECAME
    “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”

    This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE:
    “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
    But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”

    I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.

    ANYWAY:
    Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request–not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.

    Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.

    Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.

    None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii’s Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.

    I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.

    Thanks for listening with an open ear!

  427. Kandis, please forward that info to Dr Orly. TY

  428. MissTickly.. I am a friend of Orly and I can guarantee you that she is totally antiobama. How dare you!

  429. Miss Tricky, can you provide a source for your post?

  430. Sandy,

    thanks. It’s hard to keep up with all the posts. Confused, I guess.

    What is the current status as viewed by Orly? Authentic or not?

  431. orly does not know if it is authentic. She is waiting like the rest of us

  432. TO: Lurker // August 4, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Peter Francisco @ 1:23 pm

    Why would they do that? lol Sorry, but that just sounds reaching. No offense Pete; I do appreciate your enthusiasm and patriotism.

    =========================

    Like I said being American Citizen in order to sponsor others to come here back befor eyou could come here illegally everyday was worth more than GOLD. I know this becuase I know of many that come as stow aways in whale ships.
    This is the motivation for doing the registration in Hawaii. They didn’t it thinking that this FRAUD would be President some day thye did it to CONVERY CITIZENSHIP which was Golden back then. That is my point.

  433. There realy is a Bomford born in Australia and he thinks it is funny that his BC is being talked about. The question is: Has his BC been altered to look like orlys.

  434. I think Ms Ticky is setting up the forge HI birth Certificate to hit the streets!

  435. That site I just posted is about Bomfords statement on his bc being used

  436. Hillary may come back from Kenya saying there is no Kenyan BC

  437. Thanx amy1, that kind of seals it for me.

  438. Why can’t american liberals just admit they have a fraud in the white house and they know it but just don’t care. they got their trick pony and are going to ride him to nowhere.

  439. Okay, I must confess – I am at a loss. The following link goes to a story that states that Orly’s document is a forged BC based upon Bomford’s BC. However, I thought that the BC being shown that was forged using the Bomford BC came out AFTER the BC that Orly placed on her site. Could someone please help clarify this confusion – isn’t creating chaos one of the golden rules in the Alinsky manual? I thought that Orly was still waiting on her BC to be verified?
    Here is the link to the latest article that just came out on the FreeRepublic Site:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2308067/posts

    And now this “new info” from a MissTickly?

  440. Now, can someone tell us what Orly has and what Jacklyn Smith says Orly has?

  441. Silver, read the story at amy1 link 1:30PM

  442. Greg

    I read this. This is the certificate for the forgery. Is there still a question about Orly’s or does hers fall under this article as well?

  443. GG: do you mean the story at the 2:30 link?

  444. Is Bill O’Reilly, the Pinhead a Traitor?

    August 3, 2009 O’Reilly opened his program, with a discussion about “The Republicans” are in trouble and need to be using their time to better purposes than risking their own credibility challenging Obama’s place of birth. He did his best to denigrate people who have the “stupidity” (not O’Reilly’s word but his suggestion) to think Obama was not born in Hawaii. . . .O’Reilly hammered on the idea that people who question Obama’s place of birth have no credibility and are basically right wing nuts and mentally unstable. He continued demeaning by suggesting only a small group of “fringe people” who don’t like Obama because he is black. . .

    He used words like “birthers, conspiracists, truthers”. I resent the labeling of patriots as truthers, birthers, conspiracists which O’Reilly so condescendingly used. There are no such words in the English language. They were invented by those who meant to insult and demean challengers of Obama’s legitimacy. From hence forward, I shall call us patriots of integrity. O’Reilly demeaned Republicans and “fringe” people who are challenging Obama’s credentials. This is not about Republicans in the same way it is not about race. O’Reilly focused quite a bit on Republicans further demonstrating his complete ignorance on the subject. It isn’t only Republicans who are challenging Obama’s legal right to be president—Democrats, independents, and American citizens from every political belief are asking. It isn’t just a “fringe group”. People from all walks of life and all over the world are asking? Doctors, attorneys, teachers, carpenters, homemakers, small business owners, the plumber, fireman, and cops are asking. It is a very large and growing bigger hourly group of honest, constitutionally moderate American patriots with integrity and courage who sincerely are concerned about America.

    In his set-up interview pretending to be objectively seeking the truth, he managed to ride rough shod over the valid points his guests were attempting to make. He used them as a point of departure to spew his biased, limited knowledge opinions about the issue. Bill was more than his usual rude self interrupting them when they were about to make valid points. It was almost over kill. Then O’Biased put the COLB used by Obama on the screen. Once again mentioned the two news paper birth announcements that he claimed proved for certain Obama was born in Hawaii. In summary O’Reilly used his position and power to trash and humiliate those honest patriots who are legitimately asking about Obama’s authority to be President.

    Now we know what documents O’Reilly has seen that convinces him Obama was born in Hawaii. We also know his research is about as deep as a bird bath! Either he didn’t get it or he chooses to ignore it so he can continue belittling those Americans who are responsible enough to challenge Obama. How stupid Bill made himself look yesterday when he displayed the FORGED COLB on the screen. How demeaning it is to his viewers that he thinks he is so slick they do not know that document is forged. #1. Every one who knows the difference and saw O’Reilly try to foist a Forged COLB upon the public will no longer give him credence. All who saw know beyond a shadow of a doubt O’Reilly made himself look like the pompous fool and displayed his willingness to betray America. I guess O’Reilly doesn’t think it is very serious if there is an imposter in the WH. I guess O’Reilly buys hook, line, and sinker the proven forged COLB#1 and the two birth announcements he claims were in the Hawaiian news papers of 1961.

    Obama’s thugacracy is transforming America into a country of oppression and suppression. Obama has already successfully ruined the economy, (there was not one logical reason for the economic crisis of September when McCain was in the lead. The entire financial crisis was a manipulated effort by Obama’s foreign people to get him elected.) Obama nationalized banks, AIG, and the automobile industry. He has managed to claim America as a Muslim country. He threw Israel under the bus. American troops are being slaughtered in Afghanistan because of Obama order to not return fire—and no one knows for certain if he is even an American citizen. Now he wants to murder us for the sake of NWO. The very lives of the American people are at risk under this current government (Janet Napolitano’s Home Land Security Report is nothing more than a government document to legalize and permit genocide against Americans.) Obama’s government take over health care plan which is a duplicate model of Hitler’s health care plan for Germany is another genocide plan packaged as “for the good of America”. The genocide will begin with seniors, then mentally disturbed people, then to handicapped children and eventually blue eyed men, O’Reilly.

    Chance are extremely great that Obama does not even qualify under the Constitution to be our legal president and O’Reilly chooses to perpetuate the idea Obama is legitimate rather than examine possibility Obama is a usurper. If it comes forward Obama is a usurper, then the sooner we prove this the sooner he can be arrested, taken out of office and patriots can begin the long and painful task of restoring America to a Republic.

    O’Reilly’s grasp of the real issue is about as high as a stump! This is not about the birth certificate. It almost isn’t about whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a trash can in Indonesia. This issue asks if Obama by his own admission is a duel citizen, is qualified to be president? It is all about whether or not America has a legitimate president of the united States under Article II or the U.S. Constitution. Either O’Reilly doesn’t have a clue to the issue or he simply could care less whether or not the President is a usurper! Even worse—he knows more than he is letting on but is deliberately supporting Obama’s claim to be qualified because he, too, is in cahoots with the Chicago gang. If he is in cahoots or he could care less whether or not Obama is a usurper—then brother, he sold America out for 30 pieces of silver (whatever his price was). Either way, shame on Bill Judas O’Reilly, the traitor.

    Though he probably will not, O’Reilly needs to read a few articles written by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Leo Donofrio, Dr. Kate, and many others. You can find Dr. Vieira’s articles at this web site: http://edwinvieira.com/ #2 Judas O’Reilly needs to understand the difference between a Natural Born Citizen, a native citizen and a naturalized citizen. He also needs to learn the Article II of the Constitution’s definition and qualifications to be the president of the United States. I suspect he already knows this, but as already suggested, he simply is selling Americans up the creek with out a paddle.

    Patriots of integrity are asking the most vital question of this century. Is or is not Barack Obama a legal president? Is or is not Obama an imposter who broke into the WH based upon deception. Are we citizens in a Republic under US Constitutional rule? Or—ARE WE SLAVES UNDER THE OPPRESSION OF A DICTATOR in a TYRANNY? Obama’s actions since he took office have consistently violated our Constitution and ignored American traditions and beliefs. These are the actions of a dictator and government of tyranny. Therefore this supersedes any and every other item since Obama has taken office!

    Judas O’Reilly needs to meet and talk with—WITHOUT INTERUPTING OR RIDING ROUGH SHOD OVER THEM– Mario Apuzzo, Naval Lt. Commander (Ret.), Walter Francis Fitzpatrick III, U.S. Army Veteran, Richard M. Keefner, USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Ret.), Robert D. Pinkstaff, USMC Sgt. E-5 Veteran, Phillip A. Wolf, Col. USMC (Ret) Ed Schriber, Sgt Richard L Martin, ,Dr. Allan Keyes, Pastor Manning, Major Cook, Attorney Philip Berg, Joseph Farah, Dr.Orly Taitz, U.S. Army Veteran, Richard M. Keefner, USMC Gunnery Sergeant (Ret.), Robert D. Pinkstaff, USMC Sgt. E-5 Veteran, Phillip A. Wolf, Col. USMC (Ret) Ed Schriber, Sgt Richard L Martin, Larry Sinclair, and the many other heroic men and women whose lives and careers on the line because they are challenging Obama’s legal right to be president. They need all the money, help, and support they can get. If MSM had done their job last summer when this question arose, Americans might not be facing the possible legalization of genocide called government health care by Obama! http://www.riseupforamerica.com/

    No, O’Reilly doesn’t have to agree Obama is a duel citizen, born in Kenya, or may be a usurper. He does have to report vital issues with objectivity and tell the truth. Claiming the COLB he flashed on TV as legitimate with out also acknowledging that there experts who have proven it is a forgery is pure, unadulterated convolution of the most important issue in the history of America. Obfuscation is the polite word for what O’Reilly did last night. Treason is the accurate word to describe his actions. O’Reilly is a traitor. He is aiding and abetting the usurpation of the American presidency. He along with the entire gang of co conspirators needs to be arrested and tried for their crimes against America.
    Written and submitted by Usapatriots-shout.blogspot.com
    Below some vital sites that should be visited:
    #1. Polarik’s final report: Obama’s ‘Born’ Conspiracy Forged images, phony photos, and felony fraud By Ron Polarik, PhD http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts
    #2. http://www.riseupforamerica.com/newtreasoncomplaints.html
    #3. http://www.riseupforamerica.com/
    #4. https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/

  445. Yes silver, sorry.

  446. Rocknee, This story is what seals it for me. David Bomford states “It’s definitely a copy of my certificate. It’s so laughable it’s ridiculous.”

  447. I think with this latest post on his blog, Larry Sinclair has opened himself to some real “hot water.” Perhaps he intended to push a potential confrontation with Obama. But he has sent a copy of his book to Obama at the White House, and inside the front cover he has left a handwritten note. Part of that note reads something to the effect that “too bad you had to murder Donald Young.” Now it’s one thing to make such accusations in a book, it’s quite another to address the POTUS directly with such a charge. It is likely the secret service could act on this immediately, once they come into possession of the book. Perhaps this is Sinclair’s plan, to push a confrontation with Obama.

    I sure hope whatever happens ends well for Larry. He has been put through enough torment for a thousand people. Here is a pic of what he wrote:

  448. Interesting article on http://www.oilforimmigration.org//

    Maybe explains why the media has been gagged to discuss the eligibility issue.

  449. GG: Thanks for the clarification. I did read the aforementioned link by amy. However, I believe that the Bomford BC was posted after the BC was posted on Orly’s site and that the Bomford BC is being used as a smokescreen to confuse people about the validity of the BC that Orly posted. There have been threads that have shown that the Bomford BC was created after the BC was posted by Orly. It looks like the Bomford BC was set up to make the BC that Orly posted look like a forgery.
    Anyone else’s take on this would be welcome? Leo commented on his site that the Bomford BC was not accessible on the wayback machine until just recently.
    Still confused.

  450. Hey Lurker, You comment above Larry having “guts”….I was thinking the term should have been “balls” and I bet BO knows how big they are personally.

  451. OT, but GREAT news!

    American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee have just been pardoned in North Korea! Yeah!!

  452. American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee are to fly home on Bill Clinton’s plane! wOOt wOOt

  453. Silver. The Bomford original has been on the net for years. He had put it there for family tree reference. Someone took it made some changes to it but let other items unchanged, like the registrars name ect. and then passed it along somehow to end up in WND’s hands and Orly’s.

  454. Rocknee,

    Interesting news on the story you cited from the Oil for Immigration website. Although there is another level on the address that you failed to include.

    Anyway, so they have proof of a concerted effort by higher ups connected with Obama that they have been ordering radio and TV personalities not to discuss the birth certificate and eligibility issues. It makes a lot of sense now. This is perhaps why people like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck have been silent on this issue. What are they holding over their heads? Threats to family, or other more nefarious things?

    Wow, explosive stuff. I hope more info is released on this, complete with the names of those that have been threatened.

  455. Bill probably told Ping Pong Ill he would send Hillary over in a blue dress…

  456. I wonder if anything, or more realistically, “what” was negotiated for the two journalists release.

  457. ARG Greg! @ 3:21

  458. Greg

    Well, the Ping Pong Ill part was funny! lol

  459. Who is this Miss Tickly – and Alan Keyes connection to Dr. Taitz highly suggests she is not and Obama fan !!!!!!!!!

  460. I’ve seen Miss Tickly blogging at Leo’s blog like last week. I think she blogs at Free Republic too. Don’t know where else.

  461. Miss Tickly, having tried working with Orly, I completely understand your frustrations. I said from the beginning, if we who question whether BO is a NBC, lose our credibility then, no one will investigate our claims. What you are doing is exemplary. I have not examined the substance of your arguments – busy pursuing other channels – but your strategy, that is, pursuing the truth by plugging in the ‘facts’ to existing laws is what I have been advocating all along. Creating a knowledgeable citizenry will ensure things like this are not likely to ever happen again.

  462. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Rocknee // August 4, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Now, can someone tell us what Orly has and what Jacklyn Smith says Orly has?
    __________________________________________

    Guys….I have said this before…..Orly is in possession of what she took a picture of and put on line…..since that time many fake and forged documents are surfacing on the internet…..the OBOTS are at work trying to discredit anything Orly has and does….they are very scared their chosen one is going down and with good reason because he is…someone already posted what I have below…. but this is from Orly and from her site……please post everywhere to rebut these idiot OBOTS>>>

    Debunking the obots, Bomfort report. Time for Obama and Fukino to pack their bags and go.
    August 4th, 2009

    Debunking Obama’s thugs in the media

    Recently Obama’s thugs in main stream media came up with this Bomford report in order to stop my efforts in exposing and prosecuting Obama. Though typically I don’t have time to waste on each and every dumb obot, since it got to National TV and my children”s friends called my children, I’ll spend a few minutes to debunk the obots:

    1. Kenya became an independant country in 1963, not 1964. The seal of Kenya was correct.

    2. More then one person had certified copies of this document.

    3. the document was not issued at birth, but rather was a certified copy obatained in1964, when Kenya became independent

    4. The documents from that time would not show Zanzibar, but rather Kenya

    5. Bomford report was created to try to discredit my efforts

    6.lastly, I am not supposed to waste my time and money on this issue, Obama us the one who is supposed to provide evidence of legitimacy

    7. Kenyan BC provides more info than the piece of garbage Obama posted on the n et, which doesn’t have the name of the hospital, name of the doctor or signatures.

    8. Chioumi Fukino and Obama and all their Nazi Brown Shirts in the main stream media need to give it a rest and provide an original hospital BC and the corresponding big thick hospital Birthing file from the Kapiolani hospital. If they don’t have such a file, all of them need to resign immediately or they will be prosecuted for massive fraud and treason to this Nation. (in case you didn’t know, treason carries punishment of life in prison or death penalty).

  463. Speaking of the oilforimmigration website, I saw this there a couple of months ago. Just thought I’d share. Maybe if we envision this enough, it will happen:

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=1998

  464. The Birth records are only good for the purpose of providing facts But the most important peice of evidence is BO’s word of his father being a British citizen – dual citizenship of BO cannot be changed = he is what he is DUAL – not Natural born with 2 parents born jus solis ! Then all of the coverup of his bona fides proves he is hiding the truth – whatever and wherever that may lead – he is/ was lying about his past to the American people in order to get elected – his willingness to commit fraud – concealing records of money raised and from whom – who he paid for college under what name , etc ect – these are the points to hammer – his fathers nationality is what disqualifies him along with his fraud !!!!

  465. Patriot Dreamer

    MissTickly, how long ago did you file your UIPA request?

  466. Canada Free Press and Northeast Intelligence Network (”NEIN”), which was ‘founded’ and is run by a man named Douglas Hagmann, espouse a far right view not palatable to reasonable people. So, they disguise their joint enterprise, making the web site publication, Canada Free Press, appear as if it is almost, MSM. (In German, “nein” means “no.”)
    http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=48215
    (Note the link to CFP at the bottom of the page.)

  467. Media Blackout on Obama eligibility dates back to November

    The Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press are in possession of extremely sensitive investigative documents

    Do you remember Watergate? Thirty-five years ago this Sunday, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon submitted his letter of resignation for his role in the scandal. There was the crime – the break-in, and then there was the cover-up by the Nixon administration. There were threats, media manipulation and disinformation. It was the cover-up more than the crime itself in the aftermath of the Watergate break-in that led to the downfall of the Nixon administration. It was a politically critical time for our country, but we survived because of the strength of the U.S. constitution.

    Now, we potentially face a new constitutional crisis stemming from the refusal of Barack Hussein Obama to produce a one-page document that would confirm his eligibility to hold the highest office in the land. Eligibility to hold office is not a “fringe” matter, but a core constitutional issue that lies at the very heart of a growing controversy.

    Although we do not have the birth certificate or proof of ineligibility, the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press have documentation of a cover-up relating to the issue of Obama’s eligibility to hold office. The proof we possess not only exposes a well orchestrated cover-up, but also provides critical insight into why the topic of Obama’s eligibility has failed to gain traction in the corporate media.

    The Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press are in possession of extremely sensitive investigative documents, including a stunning written admission by a nationally known talk show host stating that he was threatened with his career – or worse – should he talk about the issue of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth records to a national audience. This document was obtained on December 10, 2008, and provides explicit detail of a “gag order” imposed on this host before and immediately following the national election last November.

    After receiving and authenticating the document, US based veteran private investigator Douglas J. Hagmann opened a full scale investigation into the media blackout, with specific emphasis on tracing the blackout origins to those issuing them. This investigation was conducted in conjunction with Judi McLeod, founding editor of Canada Free Press and Brian Thompson, CFP Information Technology chief following a meeting near Toronto, Ontario last December. At that meeting, it was decided to keep the existence of the document secret until additional evidence could be obtained.

    Continued:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

  468. how not who – sorry – nevertheless – this is a painful time in our history – and I for one must struggle everyday to move forward and beyond this evil man – I have a husband who lost his job in Jan – is working three now – we have 4 children – a strong belief in God – hope for a better day and that justice will prevail over this attempt to destroy the freedom we all value so dearly and wish to maintain ! I find it hard to except that this great experiment , fought for with blood in order to create liberty for all to pursue happiness and religious freedom has failed – it cannot fail – it is our purpose here on earth to be examples of free spirits against tyranny ! To give hope to the rest of the world – we can be free of/from oppression- we can succeed despite the control freaks with a disease of the mind ( liberal / progressive ,whatever you want to label it – compulsive disorder – wishing to control out of anger over inability to accept human free will !!!!!!!!) THis is not change this is communism / CONTROL over freedom .

  469. Anyone think McCain was threatened along with the media l;ast year. He seemed to fizzle out toward the end of the campaign.

    He does have two citizen parents and allegiance to US up to a certain time last year.

  470. PD and others. Miss Tickly is been posting heavily at FreeRebuplic. here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2308045/posts

  471. Just so I understand what the Obots are claiming:

    Someone using the format of Bomfords document, which has been online for sometime, created one for Obama that they sent to Orly?

    Orly has taken a photograph of what she recieved and posted it on her site.

    I thought posting the photograph was brilliant. It showed the folds and makes it much harder to edit, due to issues of perspective, etc. Mostly, though it showed that the document, authentic or not, does exist.

    But, someone did edit the document on Orly’s site at some point, changing an E to a K, etc – but just a few characters. Doing more to a photograph would take much longer and unless done extremely well be very obvious.

    At least this is my understanding of what is going on. Do I have it right?

    This created confusion is right out of Alinsky. Scary.

  472. and the point – do not be fooled by distraction from the truth . Be wise .

  473. Greg Goss,

    I did not have time to look at the links you posted at 8:57 last evening until now.

    Wow.

    It was interesting that the second one had a tear at the right vertical fold. Also the blotch in the Mother area, as if that was printed on the form.

    They certainly look like they were folded together.

    Do you know the story of the second copy?

  474. Ladyhawke,

    My understanding and what Jacklyn has said, Orly has the real deal and the fakes floating are from hers being altered and the Bomford certificate.

    Is this right?

  475. Ladyhawke: But, someone did edit the document on Orly’s site at some point, changing an E to a K, etc – but just a few characters. Doing more to a photograph would take much longer and unless done extremely well be very obvious.

    Well, the thread on freerepublic comparing the documents is stating that the K one is the original one – the earlier one, backed up by some others who had copied it when it was first presented and then later noticed the change to E on same info sites.

    Hopefully Orly has some kind of paper copy original that she made the web image from or she may have not noticed the tampering and presented the tampered image to the court. Kinda hard to believe but if there is no source copy to separate the goats from the sheep then it’s just anybody’s image.

    It would be good to know Orly’s source, for some explanation and whether he/she is reputable.

  476. Alinsky “behavior has always been viewed as transparent by most people with a bit of common sense but what is disturbing – it is viewed as idiotic dumb behavior – when actually it is pure manipulative evil behavior – to deceive in order to get ahead – to lie and create chaos where none exists – is simply evil .

  477. Ladyhake, it my understanding is that in order to get a Kenyan Passport you needed an original document and a photo copy of same. So it is theorized that they were together for that purpose hence the folds all line up and are in the same direction. Sorry I have not blogged all of this but I just haven’t the time…although I am spending it here…lol

  478. Citizen Wells, have you heard the announcement that Fitzgearld has been removed by Obama?? Breaking news on Sean Hannity show!!

  479. Jacqlyn Smith

    view this…..Alan Keyes Talks with Stan Solomon

    at….excellent…..we are on our way to a dictatorship if we don’t get our Constitution back!!!

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org//

  480. GG: Ditto Ladyhawke’s Question about concerning the origin of the 2nd document in your 8:57 post.

  481. Article of some importance from Canadian Free Press – have a read:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373

  482. MissTickles seems to be frequenting several blogs today in an effort to discredit Orly – check out Leo’s latest comments. Interesting times.

  483. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Rocknee // August 4, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Ladyhawke,

    My understanding and what Jacklyn has said, Orly has the real deal and the fakes floating are from hers being altered and the Bomford certificate.

    Is this right?

    ***************************************************

    Rocknee—-YES!!! Orly has a private investigator on it….they are trying to authenticate what she has as real….it is not a BC…it is a registration for a BC!!

  484. I cannot yet get confirmation of the news on Fitzgerald but, off the top of my head, I am reminded of the Saturday Night Massacre under President Nixon.

    On the night of Saturday, October 20, 1973, 22 years ago today, the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, received a chilling message. He knew the message was coming, and he knew what it would say, but that didn’t dull the shock of it. President Richard M. Nixon had had the attorney general of the United States fire him. Attorney General Elliot Richardson had refused to do it, and had been forced to resign; Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus had then also refused, and also resigned; finally Solicitor General Robert Bork—who would later be nominated, unsuccessfully, to the Supreme Court—assumed the post of acting head of the Justice Department and carried out the President’s order. The serial firings of that October evening quickly became known as the Saturday Night Massacre. They represented both a profound challenge to the American justice system and a turning point in the downfall of Richard Nixon.

    On the night of Saturday, October 20, 1973, 22 years ago today, the Watergate special prosecutor, Archibald Cox, received a chilling message. He knew the message was coming, and he knew what it would say, but that didn’t dull the shock of it. President Richard M. Nixon had had the attorney general of the United States fire him. Attorney General Elliot Richardson had refused to do it, and had been forced to resign; Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus had then also refused, and also resigned; finally Solicitor General Robert Bork—who would later be nominated, unsuccessfully, to the Supreme Court—assumed the post of acting head of the Justice Department and carried out the President’s order. The serial firings of that October evening quickly became known as the Saturday Night Massacre. They represented both a profound challenge to the American justice system and a turning point in the downfall of Richard Nixon.

    http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/web/20051020-nixon-archibald-cox-watergate-white-house-conspiracy.shtml

  485. Jacqlyn Smith

    ocknee // August 4, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Ladyhawke,

    My understanding and what Jacklyn has said, Orly has the real deal and the fakes floating are from hers being altered and the Bomford certificate.

    Is this right?

    ***************************************************

    Rocknee—-YES!!! Orly has a private investigator on it….they are trying to authenticate what she has as real….it is not a BC…it is a registration for a BC!!

    ———————————————————

    Orly did not download this from the internet…it was given to her by some one only known to her….the person/people do not want their names out there….NOT YET anyway!!

  486. twe // August 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    twe, Drudge’s site is drudgereport.com. this one is Drudge ‘Retort.’ I have no idea what this site is!

  487. GG, Silver, etc,

    The second one looks like a carbon copy. If you had to make two copies, why would you type it twice?

    Did they have copy machines in Kenya in 1964?

    I am also curious about the rumpled edges of the second one.

    As I have seen this described differently (even in Orly’s case filing) is the picture on Orly’s site a photograph of the original she received. I hesitate to say original “copy” because in this discussion that word has two meanings, which I think is where some of the confusion is created.

    To my untrained eye, GG’s two documents look like an original and a carbon copy. Carbon copies were always somewhat blurred, as compared to the crisper typing on the original.

    A thought occurred to me as I was writng this post – I just had another look at GG’s second link – see how the E in Lavender’s name sort of resembles a K.? I wonder if that is where that rumor began.

  488. yeow 506 & still counting.
    while I was out & on the car radio…Rush was playing some clip from Sen. Durbin…I thought it sorta odd that several time he used the term ‘sucker-punch’…coinky-dink?…or is someone out there reading this mail?!
    ——————————————————
    then there was the news of hero Bill showing up for the photo-op (of course I’m glad the reporters got out!!)…but ‘presenting Bill with flowers’?! …the flowers may have been a nice touch to cover up the ‘stinky’…eh? I mean, come on…was he the only guy with an opening in his schedule to t.c.o.b?…
    Sorry…jaded here…don’t trust the purity of that news. Sure seems awfully CONVENIENT for it to happen today….aw heck, why not?
    ——————————————————–
    all this other stuff’s making me dizzy….

  489. Everyone really needs to take a close look at the supposed ‘legitimate’ Australian bc.

    When you get to this page press (ctrl +) on your keyboard to zoom in on it. You’ll need to scroll down the page about half way to find the “negative” of this photo.

    Click on this and investigate

    NOTICE: At the bottom of the document in the paragraph that is signed by Douglas Gordon Young, look VERY CLOSELY at the words.

    They are layered on “TOP” of the cracks, and creases without a single distortion. If this was real, those letters in the cracks, and creases would themselves be distorted!

    REMEMBER: Scroll down the page till you see the “negative” of the photo.

  490. Jacqlyn Smith

    Fitzgerald never did anything anyway….looks like he has a higher paying job now…that’s all!

  491. keith Olbermann: Ed Hale provided Orly the forged kenyan bc…given to him by a “shirley
    Ed Hale’s site
    Author Comment
    stretch

    Aug 4, 2009 – 7:58AM

    Quote Reply
    Like it or, THIS is what is happening and it a hugely illegal

    It has now come put that Ed Hale provided Orly the forged kenyan bc…given to him by a “shirley”…it may well be what Obama created this doc many years ago to gain foreign student aid at Occidental College….since his REAL father is Frank Davis and not some kenyan dude ( O Sr)–and a shotgun wedding ( in trade for some unkown favors) that the family used as a cover.

    post from FR:
    ————-

    EXPLAIN THIS!

  492. PLEASE GO TO FOX NEWS AND SEE BECK’S BIRTHDAY TRIBUTE TO THE USURPER.

  493. Oh, my gosh! I am LOVIN Glenn Beck’s birthday tribute to The Ursurper.

    I actually can’t believe he did this.

  494. Great pictures here, as well as the ‘story behind the story’ about freeing the reporters from North Korea.
    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/08/04/breaking-news-bill-clinton-succeeds-in-north-korea/#more-29594

  495. 5:12; here we go again….

  496. The South. So do I have this back assward? People are saying that the Orly document was created from the Bomford document but you are suggesting that Bromford document is just an attempt to discredit the Orly document?

    If so splain the David Bomford interview?

  497. http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2009/08/00237-obama-birthers-kenya-birth-certificate-may-be-real.html

    Greg, take a look at the “original” , your site may have the copy posted.

  498. I thought that was “bass-akwards”….

  499. sometimes I get my tang tongled, and my mix all wordsd up…
    ….but I just don’t care what thinkle peep.

  500. I now have them both up on my blog. I took the one from Orly’s site, it is the first one at the top of the page. The second was emailed to me from a highly reputable source and one is very close to Orly. What I was told is that the second one is the original and the first is a copy of that one. Or I guess it could be the other way around…LOL I am frazzled..

  501. I’ll catch up after my commute. I will gladly email these to anyone that wants them. You can find my email on my blog somewhere..

  502. Miss Tickly, someone here posted a link to Free Republic, where we could read your posts. Good for you for trying to encourage people to take action, within the law. Here on this blog, people engaged in reasoned discourse can be targeted with personal attacks, which attacks appear to me to be attempts to take the pursuit of truth off track. Please, try not to take these things personally, or to let others prevent you from doing what you know is right, or from posting the fruits of your labor on all sites, even this one, where postings such as yours are invitations for obfuscation. (cw’s oversight has succeeded in limiting the name-calling.)

  503. Greg Goss…

    I’m not a Photoshop expert. I’ve only used the software professionally for the last ten years.

    What I find amazing about the Bomford BC is how perfectly straight all the lines are. Photoshop straight. Which is amazing for a heavily folded page that was scanned. Whoever scanned it was VERY precise. I noticed this about Obamas Hawaiian COLB on Factcheck as well. A perfect scan job!

    Also the numbers 5733 from the top and bottom of the page super impose over each other perfectly. Not what you would expect from a typewriter. You would think that there would be some distortion from the top to the bottom of a hand typed scanned image? Now you do get that distortion when you try to superimpose one copy of the date 1959 on top of another. It’s interesting at the least.

    Like I said I’m not an expert but to me that precision is a bit too much to believe. If any of you has ever tried to scan a folded paper you know it likes to move and distort when you close the lid on the scanner. Normally you, or a Clerk doing the scanning, wouldn’t care much about precision unless you planned to do something to it digitally. And no a feed scanner wouldn’t do it either.

    Just an observation.

  504. While GG is commuting, and for him when he gets back . . .

    I just visited his blog.

    Anyone know why the title is:

    “Update: This document is officially deemed a forgery!”

  505. Original document=K.F. Lavender
    and 47644.

    Obot document=E.F. Lavender
    and 47044

    Lady, South, Greg, is this right?

  506. jc,

    My understanding is just the opposite, sort of.

    Original is E.F and 47044.

    I now think Obots have looked at a carbon copy of original, where a blurred E looks like a K – and ran with it, screaming, “FAKE!”

    They very well may have created their own fake with a better K.

    Some folks on freerepublic are claiming to have saved a version with a “K” soon after the story broke, but they very well may have been looking at the carbon copy.

    If you go to GG’s site you can look at and compare the two.

    Anyway, that’s what I am thinking right now.

  507. Does anyone have any idea when this will be reviewed in Kenya? Has Orly had anything to say today? Just wondering about how long this may take. I remember a few blogs last week saying that BO was in for a huge surprise this week. Could this have been it?

  508. Gregg Goss,

    I’m not implying anything one way or the other. I’m just saying that Ausi bc is a forgery. Someone super imposed the text over a photo of the document.

    This whole thing is like something straight out of suspense thriller.

    When this breaks, someone is going to get RICH $$$$$$ on the movie, of how an illegal alien from Mombossa Kenya, seized the United States Presidency.

    Coming to a theater near you!

  509. jc,

    Well, your line up is the same as what is here:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307402/posts

  510. Greg Goss…

    I think I’ll pass on that Movie.

    My stomach couldn’t take it and I normally like Disaster Flicks.

  511. Lady,
    I have found many copies now. Two with E.F. and 47044 available to view at Greg’s site. The second has a tear.

    The K.F. and 47644, no tears, available to view at

    http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2009/08/00237-obama-birthers-kenya-birth-certificate-may-be-real.html

  512. Just in case anyone missed my post above.

    Click on this link <a href="Forgery

    Zoom in on the photo, and scroll down to the bottom right, and look at the text. It is typed without flaw, right over the top of the creases. The text doesn’t follow the bends, and cracks, of the creases at all.

    Then scroll around the image, and you’ll notice this all over the document.

    The Ausi bc is a forgery!

  513. Linked messed up from above.

    Here it is again…

    Forgery

  514. SueK–thanks.

    Actually, I was looking for something on Fitzgerald and that site came up. I did it too quickly.

  515. TO:

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Fitzgerald never did anything anyway….looks like he has a higher paying job now…that’s all!

    ========================

    Fitzgerald PROMOTION way a reward to SHUT HIM UP probably. He probably was about to jump ship and they reeled him in with a PROMOTION, they can’t let him go adn spill the beasn he KNOWS WAY TOO MUCH from Chicago Corruption Cartel, etc.

  516. Ladyhawke,

    Thought 47,044 was the fake due to 47 being his age and 44th president

    Is the original 47,644

  517. I have a hard time believing a promotion would be enough incentive to not “spill the beans”. If Fitzgerald had the goods , he had ample opportunity to do the right thing. He choose not to, or he didn’t have the proof. You cannot buy an honest man with $.

  518. jc,

    We are all just throwing out opinion here – that’s part of the fun while we await an expert opinion. I looked at your link. The E does look more like a K, But I thought the 47044 looked like 47044.

    Could all of these E’s resembling K’s and vice-versa just be a resolution problem? I am just throwing the question out there. The photo I understand is from Orly is still the clearest image.

    Obots, picking up on the confusion, could certainly have altered a few pixels to add to it.

    I think the Australian document, fake or not is completely unrelated and only has added to the fog, most likely intentionally.

  519. My head is spinning. I can’t keep up with this. I’m going to get a glass of wine!

  520. TO:
    jc // August 4, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    I have a hard time believing a promotion would be enough incentive to not “spill the beans”. If Fitzgerald had the goods , he had ample opportunity to do the right thing. He choose not to, or he didn’t have the proof. You cannot buy an honest man with $.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Isn’t he a LIE-beral? Most LIE-beral can be bought they actually will also blackmail you to get up the ladder.

  521. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 4, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    TO:

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Fitzgerald never did anything anyway….looks like he has a higher paying job now…that’s all!

    ========================

    Fitzgerald PROMOTION way a reward to SHUT HIM UP probably. He probably was about to jump ship and they reeled him in with a PROMOTION, they can’t let him go adn spill the beasn he KNOWS WAY TOO MUCH from Chicago Corruption Cartel, etc.
    **************************************************

    I think you may be right!!!

  522. “Here on this blog, people engaged in reasoned discourse can be targeted with personal attacks, which attacks appear to me to be attempts to take the pursuit of truth off track. Please, try not to take these things personally, or to let others prevent you from doing what you know is right, or from posting the fruits of your labor on all sites, even this one, where postings such as yours are invitations for obfuscation.
    (cw’s oversight has succeeded in limiting the name-calling.)”
    ———————————————————-
    interesting quote from one who referred to comments questioning HRC’s motive and agenda not on the merits, but simply as “Hillary-haters”…the word “duplicitous” comes to mind.

  523. Lady, I am just trying to clarify and keep everyone on the same page. Too much chaos plays into the obots game plan.

  524. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Nancy // August 4, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    My head is spinning. I can’t keep up with this. I’m going to get a glass of wine!
    **********************************************
    *Nancy I wouldn’t waste my time trying to figure which is a fake and which isn’t…it doesn’t matter….Orly has the one she took a picture of in her possession….I believe the one she took a picture of and posted at her website has been altered as well since her website was hacked into…..anything out there I would take as a fake right now!!

  525. Peter, if Fitz was a lie-beral, and part of Obama’s club we didn’t have a chance to begin with.

  526. Rocknee,
    http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2009/08/00237-obama-birthers-kenya-birth-certificate-may-be-real.html

    This site shows 47644 with the K.F. as the original.
    *****
    He clean the copy up a little~
    “If you are unable to make out the details, I took the image with photoshop. I decreased the brightness, but enhanced the contrast features of the photograph. The purpose of this was to see the font better.”
    Check that version out here.

  527. Jacqlyn,
    Getting the truth always matters. I thought that was why we were here.

  528. Joseph Farah:The big story I promised you last week on eligibility issue was NOT the Kenyan birth document; It’s still coming
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  529. For those of you referencing the article on Drudge.com, this is not the official site of the drudgereport.com.

  530. jc – I could not agree more and I am enjoying the discussion. We need to know.

    Let’s look at the 6. If Orly’s is the correct document (K, 47044, to be clear) there are many other 6’s in the document. They do not appear to match the 6 at the top of the obamabirthers.com picture. The latter seems to have a much bigger “O” at the bottom forming the 6.

    So much is hard to tell with pictures at that angle.

  531. Heres a twist.

    “Andy Martin is saying that he believes Obama forged it himself to get “affirmative action” money for college. Who really knows but the excitment is growing.”

  532. JS – good idea! I have joined you – Cheers!

  533. Jacqlyn Smith

    Did anyone hear Gibbs say today that the FRAUD in our White House wasn’t even going to read the Health Care Bill??? That is what I just heard from Steve Hayes on Fox News!!!

  534. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    jc // August 4, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Jacqlyn,
    Getting the truth always matters. I thought that was why we were here.
    ****************************************************

    Yes getting to the truth….but not driving yourself crazy trying to figure out if a document is a fake or not…..I’m not a forensic specialist and I don’t see too many here claiming to be….I will wait for the real document to be evaluated by someone who has that area of expertise!!

  535. Congratulations The South…your comment at 5:58 has garnered a blog’o’the day win!

  536. While heads are spinning here (and the ‘bots seem to be in full array…both sides, no less) and y’all got Orly on a see-saw…Andy Martin, whether you like him or not…is busy at it with a ‘weed-wacker’…

  537. Harry Reid Video stating that FULL TRANSPARENCY is very important for Health Issues Which is not a Constitutional Requirement to be President and it actually could be a violation of the Americans with Disbabilities Act BUT the NATURAL BORN ISSUE gets swept under the rug?

    Senate address Birth Issue today:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105895

    Video of the LIE-beral Harry Reid asking for FULL TRANSPARENCY but only for Republicans, LIE-berals can use FRAUD and FORGERY it is ok they are ABOVE THE LAW:

  538. Jacqlyn Smith

    Feeny // August 4, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    off-topic, but an unbelievable read….well, actually, not that unbelievable.

    http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/08/04/call-for-informants-if-you-oppose-obamacare-the-white-house-wants-to-know-about-it/

    ******************************************************

    Well they are getting their ears full at the Town Halls….I don’t think anyone is shying away from the confrontation…I say bring it on!!!

  539. JS

    I heard they were now calling them “Town Hells!”

  540. Jacqlyn Smith

    Dirty Harry Reid is a joke…..he must go and we will be at his office on August 10 th if he doesn’t have some sort of town hall here for we the people….he is a COWARD…big time!!

  541. magna carta,

    Yea, i made a funny…lol

    Sad part is, it’s going to actually happen.

  542. Jacqlyn Smith

    Ladyhawke—-they reap what they sow….I can’t find a town hall here in Henderson other wise I would be there in the front row!!

  543. Action Alert.

    Today the Obamunists asked citizens to notify teh Whiet House of Misinformation about Health Care by e-mailing flag@whitehouse.gov I would encourage all to e-mail all your issues to the White House as mis-information anythign LIE-berals tell you on ObamaSCare is mis-information and needs to be flagged to the adress above. Let’s flood them with mis-information flags.

  544. Not long ago there were lots of comments and warnings about what might be waiting at the other end of a link…like the ‘cash for clunkers’ thing.

    It likewise seems reasonable, to ‘naive’ me, that y’all could give second thought to clicking onto a link provided here by one about whon there exists “reasonable doubt” as to the nature of their participation.
    ——————————————————-
    Some of you with legal-smarts (and I mean that respectfully) seem either unable or unwilling to disengage yourself from the very ones who entice you into ‘battle’. Maybe that’s what good legal-types do…they love to argue-the-argue…and that can be cool. I hope that tenacity is not also your Achilles’ heel…and you click onto a ‘lure’ that winds up landing you on the boat, so to speak.

  545. Dueling fake COLBs:

    YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK

    Isn’t it nice to know your money is going to a worthy cause, like graft, corruption, and forgery?

  546. TO: Jacqlyn Smith // August 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    And everyone else that will attend Town Hells or Comfront their CONS from the District of Criminals I would suggest bring the above YouTube Video on your laptops and play it for the LIE-berals to see. I would first ask do you think there should be full disclosure of Health for someone running for the Presidency and after they say YES ask them why it is important and where it is mentioned in the Constitution. Then ask should the Candiate be Constitutionally Qualifed? Then play the video and say your leader demand Full Transparency of somethign thatis not Constitutional Required, we DEMAND full Transparency of Eligibility which is the FIRST and most IMPORTANT Eligibility Requirement in teh CONSTITUTION.

  547. IMO – Nancy @ 6:31 gets comment of the day!

    Hey Nanc … pour me one while you’re at it!

    😉

  548. JS

    Your post gave me an idea. Here in the scene of the crimes in CA – Sacramento – I just called Matsui’s office to see if she was planning any Town Hall meetings during August.

    I was told there are some in progress later in the month to talk about the health care bill. I was asked what I thought about it. I replied, “I thinks its a total debacle.”

    I’d be shocked if she actually has any meetings, save for an unannounced phto-op.

  549. South re the movie: would that be a serious Oliver Stone-type production…or would be inclined to let Disney’s Pixar have a crack at an animated version?! Hmmm?

  550. …say…a cross between
    ‘Mr. Incredible’ and ‘Toy Story’?
    …something along those lines?

  551. …at least that would hopefully keep it at least ‘PG-rate’…suitable for the whole family; but if Mr. Sinclair’s book, from what’s been posted here, were to be the basis of a screenplay…YIKES!…
    “Billy!…cover your eyes!”

  552. ‘rated’…

  553. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Ladyhawke // August 4, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    JS

    Your post gave me an idea. Here in the scene of the crimes in CA – Sacramento – I just called Matsui’s office to see if she was planning any Town Hall meetings during August.

    I was told there are some in progress later in the month to talk about the health care bill. I was asked what I thought about it. I replied, “I thinks its a total debacle.”

    I’d be shocked if she actually has any meetings, save for an unannounced phto-op.
    ******************************************************

    I’m tired of these politicians…..we need statesmen…..no more politicians lining their pocketbooks….look for real citizens like Palin….if they are out to destroy them then that is who we want running our country….only means they will not play their political games!!

  554. could that link even be ‘unhealthy’ from Yehaa?
    Okay…looks like I’m alone here…there’d be crickets chirpin if this were the woods…
    ———————————————————
    too many re-dos without a “hunh?” in between…so I’ll check back tomorrow to see if anybody’s home…or just the porch light.

  555. Jacqlyn Smith

    Re-Do—-Should be “Clunkers for Chumps”!!

  556. A group of people commonly denigrate anything associated with Hillary Clinton. The press refers to these people as Hillary haters.

    Vast Army of ‘Hillary Haters’ has Claws Out

    <a href="http://huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/pushing-back-against-the-_b_84863.html"/a&gt;

    Growth Market: Hillary Haters

    Here is part of a comment I posted on cw on July 29, generally directed at the Hillary haters who read this blog, and those whose posts here repeat misinformation about HRC, notwithstanding evidence provided to the contrary refutes their assertions. In part, it is this knee-jerk rejection of the facts that has earned them their common nickname.

    For all of you Hillary haters out there with your conspiracy theories, let me remind you, our government spent around $80m of our money investigating both Clintons and found nothing.

    (I had previously posted this information many times, including links to support the CBO’s figures on the cost of the investigation.)

  557. Jacqlyn Smith

    Constitutional Radio – BlogTalkRadio – 9:00 p.m. EDT Tues 4 Aug 2009 – Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress – Update by Atty Apuzzo and Mr. Kerchner
    Constitutional Radio – BlogTalkRadio – 9:00 p.m. EDT Tues 4 Aug 2009 – Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress et al – Update by Atty Apuzzo and Mr. Kerchner. Hosted by Dame Central and Dr. Kate.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Constitutional-Radio

    Join us on the show. And if you want to help the current advertising and educational project also visit: http://www.protectourliberty.org/

  558. Sorry about that HuffPo link. Here it is.

    Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

  559. Back, I am not any kind of an expert in documents so it is hard for me to discern some of what some of you are asking. However now that I have had an oopertunity to examine the three documents, I also seem to be of the opinion that the Aussie BC is forged. That changes my opinion from yesterday that the Kenyan BC is forged. I will change my headline of the blog. Not that I have a high traffic rate anyway….LOL

  560. I think we the people need to write a HEALTH CARE BILL FOR CONGRESS CRITTERS.Get everybody to sign it in your neighborhood. at your townhall read your bill written just for them and give the same BS comments back when they reject your health care plan for critters. Make sure to include NO COVERAGE FOR PUBLIC DISEMBOWELMENT in the spirit of Henry 8 who actually defended his nation-state.

  561. JS: thanks for the ‘chirp’!…(chuckle)…

  562. Jacqlyn Smith

    Constitutional Radio – BlogTalkRadio – 9:00 p.m. EDT Tues 4 Aug 2009 – Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress – Update by Atty Apuzzo and Mr. Kerchner
    Constitutional Radio – BlogTalkRadio – 9:00 p.m. EDT Tues 4 Aug 2009 – Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress et al – Update by Atty Apuzzo and Mr. Kerchner. Hosted by Dame Central and Dr. Kate.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Constitutional-Radio

    Join us on the show. And if you want to help the current advertising and educational project also visit: http://www.protectourliberty.org/

  563. JS @ 7:38: “hunh?”!…

  564. JS: did you actually follow some the posted ‘lures’….I mean, ‘links’?…

  565. Jacqlyn Smith

    Magna—-Good idea….Why couldn’t “we the people” write our own reform….we could get Jim Demint to help with it….he has some really good ideas….I have heard him speak….he is the REpub senator from SC….he used to be in the health care business as well!!

  566. jbjd @ 7:33

    😉

  567. Greg,

    I think plenty of people read your blog.

    I think it’s wise to do as you say, in removing your statement the Kenyan BC is a forgery.

    We don’t know for sure that it is, or is not, a forgery. The one thing we do know now, is that the Ausie BC is a forgery, and that helps reduce the process of elimination 🙂

  568. Jacqlyn Smith

    RE-Do….Yes I did…it was the ” Clunkers for Cash” one…I just renamed it!

  569. Ok, I have updated my most blog site. I think the heading now tells it like it is and should explain the two documents.

    http://gwgjlm.blogspot.com/2009/08/obamas-real-birth-certificate.html

  570. Joseph Farah: The big story I promised you last week on eligibility issue was NOT the Kenyan birth document; It’s still coming maybe tomorrow

    http://twitter.com/JosephFarah

  571. JS @ 7:49: how do you say it? touche’, Madame!
    or as 86 would’ve said it…
    “….aaaaaandddd….LLLLLOVING IT!”

  572. my most “popular” blog site…should read above..LOL I am really tired

  573. oh…you re-dude it!

  574. Jacqlyn Smith

    Don’t forget to listen to Mario and Charles on Blog radio tonight….9:00 EST I tried to copy and paste the information but it keeps going into moderation…don’t know why!!

  575. Glenn Beck’s “The Story Of Barack Obama” On His Birthday

  576. I can swear to the fact I was taught it takes 2 American citizens to produce a natural Born citizen.Anything other then that fact makes no sense. Stay safe.

  577. The South,

    I have plenty of personal evidence every cert we’ve seen is a forgery. I know because if I really wanted to I could produce one for Elmer James Fudd in both cases. That proves that the original “COLB” we saw last year has 0% legality in any court of law or opinion along with this new CCRB from Kenya.

    Here’s what everyone needs to do. Send an email to their non-representing representatives over in Congrass with 2 images in it. One for the fake COLB and the other for the fake CCRB.

    Simply put one statement on the email:

    “TELL US WHICH ONE IS THE FORGERY. OPTION A? OR OPTION B? Remember, the wrong answer will cost you your your career. Good luck.”

  578. Let me also remind those who believe Orlys Kenyan BC is a forgery;that the document was requested on Feb 17, 1964.

    This falls perfectly in the time line in which Stanley Ann would have requested a copy. She filed for divorce in Jan: 1964

    Then on Feb. 17, 1964 she requests a copy of the BC to show a judge that she is the legal guardian.

    March 1964 the judge grants the divorce.

    My guts are telling me this is a legit document.

  579. Jacqlyn Smith

    LM // August 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Joseph Farah: The big story I promised you last week on eligibility issue was NOT the Kenyan birth document; It’s still coming maybe tomorrow

    **************************************************

    LM…I don’t twitter but I’m sure we haven’t even seen the tip of the iceberg yet….Orly is away but I’m not sure all of her plans were revealed….we must keep the OBOTS on their toes….wasting time faking documents….while they get their work done!!

  580. The South, thank you for letting me “plenty of people read my blog”. I have many topics I would love to blog about, besides the usurper, and I do hope to get to those topics. I think I have a unique perspective on many issues and love to banter with thinkers.

  581. For those of you who choose not to access the links in the comment I posted above, to internet sites of just some of the press who use the term Hillary Haters, these 3 (three) I cited are U.S. News & World Report; the Chicago Tribune; and the Huffington Post.

    Now, back to work…

  582. JS: sorry, just curious …..
    (with 584+ comments, maybe you don’t read ALL of ’em? or do you?)
    …but did you happen to read my 6:35…I’m guessing maybe so?

  583. Jacqlyn Smith

    LM // August 4, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Glenn Beck’s “The Story Of Barack Obama” On His Birthday
    ****************************************************

    LM…Thank you for this…I am boycotting BECK right now….he said the people concerned about the BC are crazies….and need to let the FRAUD stay as President even though he may not be eligible…more or less…not his exact words!!

  584. Jacqlyn Smith

    RE-do….yes I did!!

  585. 7:57: by golly, JS: there IS some ‘chirpin’ going on here…only, they aint be crickets, me thinks…

  586. I am following Nancy’s lead and enjoying a nice glass of red wine.

    Greg, perhaps you should include with your pictures the third picture that clearly displays the K.F. and the #47644 on your most popular blog site.

    Has Orly released any information on how she aquired this document or why she released it?
    I have heard the theory that Keyes gave it to her. It would be nice for her to clarify the situation.

  587. I was wondering if anyone felt the urge to sing “Happy Birthday” today (?)…
    …what is that you’re having? a nice Merlot?
    or some white?…..

  588. not much of wine drinker…Merlot or ‘Suave’ Blanc’…(thought I’d try to be funny to cover that I’d probably screw up Sauvignon…?…or be that right?)…prefer a Guinness over Bass, more commonly known in the tavern as a ‘black n tan’…but was hesitant about stating that, in case someone would play the race-card thing on me about my taste in brewsky….

  589. Jacqlyn Smith

    jbjd—-and anyone else pushing respect for the Clintons…I suggest you watch the following….even though it is alleged activity…it is the same BS we are fighting here….the cover up by powerful and evil people…just as the FRAUD is getting away with murder…so too have the Clintons by controlling the media and not reporting the truth…. Let’s get all the facts out there and not look at their lives through the rose colored glasses some here are using to promote respect for two despicable individuals!!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The New Clinton Chronicles • DVD
    AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES OF BILL CLINTON AND HIS CIRCLE OF POWER

    For the first time on video. A documentary that puts together the whole story!

    * The names and faces of the key players who Clinton used to build his Circle of Power … as well as those who got in his way and lost their jobs, reputations, virtue and lives!
    * From Whitewater to ADFA (Clinton political Machine)
    * From millions in drug smuggling in Mena, Arkansas. To Money laundering with the BCCI
    * From Gennifer Flowers to Paula Jones.
    * From Vince Foster’s “Suicide” to the gangland slaying of private investigator Jerry Parks.

    The documentary uncovers the shocking truth the controlled media and Clintons don’t want you to know!

    Watch The Clinton Chronicles for the whole story. You won’t find this anywhere else!

    103 minutes, ’96

    On July 14th, 1994, copies of the Clinton Chronicles were hand-delivered to every member of the US Senate and House of Representatives; July 15th documentation supporting the film was presented to the Congress at their request. Clinton was Impeached on December 19, 1998 by the House and later acquitted by the Senate

    Clinton Body Count

    For Information on the Death of Vince Foster see ” The Death of Vince Foster – DVD.”

    For Information on the Mena Cover-Up the documentry on the death of two teenage boys, evidence exists that they where killed and placed on the rail road tracks – But officials say they were sleeping on the tracks.

    Hillary Uncensored about Hillary senate fund-raising and a major contributor from the whistle-blower Peter Paul, who suffered a fall out with the Clinton machine.

  590. So what is HRC doing in Kenya?

  591. jc, I am not familiar with the document that has 47644.

  592. Jacqlyn Smith

    I am out of wine….but I think I’ll have a beer….let’s see….my husband has Negra Modelo on hand….sounds perfect for the b-day celebration!!

  593. Yo, Greg: BBQ still in the planning stages?

  594. Jc, “Has Orly released any information on how she acquired this document or why she released it?”

    I had heard that the document(s) came from Alan Keyes. I can not confirm that.

  595. Kim @ 8:13: Pardon me, but…”duh!”…celebrating with the ‘hommes’, what did you think?!…vacation? safari?
    maybe meeting with Jeff Prost about taping the next episode of ‘Survivor’?!…take your pick.

  596. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // August 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    So what is HRC doing in Kenya?

    *************************************************

    Probably running away from Bill…..She doesn’t need to worry he is in N. Korea…picking up the two journalist…..if I was those two women I would be more frightened of Bill than the Korean regime!! LOL!!!

    Makes you wonder what we gave up to get them out of there though!! I’m sure Slick Willie worked his magic!

  597. Jacqlyn Smith

    Greg—I haven’t heard from Orly today but if she emails me anything I will let you know ASAP!!

  598. Re-do on BBQ. The latest I think a BBQ would be practical is October 10 or 11th. The 11th is my anniversary, so if we are successful in removing this usurper by then then yes BBQ is on and all are invited. i would probably need about two weeks notice. So remove him by the end September and we are on!

  599. Thanx JS, you are the best, and let me publicly thank you for what you do…and if Re-do doesn’t want to come my BBQ then certainly you can….LOL

  600. JS @ 8:13: and getting a free ride home on ‘his plane’? (wink, wink…)…seriously: regardless of what may have been those young ladies ‘affiliation’…even if they were set-up, or even a part of a set-up…for their family’s sake, I am thankful that they appear to be on their way home, safely.
    —————————————————–
    As far as the ‘flowers for Bill’ news report I heard on the car radio…oh, puuullllleeeezzzzeee!
    —————————————————-
    how do you suppose the ‘release options’ were phrased to the two?
    Plan A: (fill in the blank….) stay where you are;
    Plan B: queue song…”Billy, don’t be a hero…”
    ….yadda, yadda…and, oh forget the whole “Monica”-thing…that was just a publicity stunt.

  601. Question: So what is HRC doing in Kenya?
    (Kim // August 4, 2009 at 8:13 pm)

    Answer: Her job.

  602. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Greg Goss // August 4, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Thanx JS, you are the best, and let me publicly thank you for what you do…and if Re-do doesn’t want to come my BBQ then certainly you can….LOL
    ************************************************

    Greg—-Where would it be….I don’t know where you live….probably too far for me to go!! Thank you anyway….I will be there in SPIRIT!!

  603. Jackie I am on my second straight up Vodka on the rocks…but I do prefer wine, I have a fav, Wente from the valley in CA.

  604. I live 15 minutes from the Manchester NH airport. I have two sons that could do shuttle service…

  605. Jacqlyn Smith

    Re-do // August 4, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    JS @ 8:13: and getting a free ride home on ‘his plane’? (wink, wink…)…seriously: regardless of what may have been those young ladies ‘affiliation’…even if they were set-up, or even a part of a set-up…for their family’s sake, I am thankful that they appear to be on their way home, safely.

    ***********************************************

    Re-do—-When the White House asked Slick Willie if he wanted to go to N. Korea to pick up the two women….I ‘m sure he jumped at the chance…..I’m surprised Hillary let him though! LOL.

    Like you…I am happy for their families…both women have kids and I’m sure were very missed!! 🙂

  606. Patriot Dreamer

    Joseph Farah on Twitter:

    It’s still coming — maybe tomorrow

    about 3 hours ago from web
    ************************************
    The big story I promised you last week on eligibility issue was NOT the Kenyan birth document. I didn’t even know about that last week.

    about 3 hours ago from web
    *****************************
    Most popular question in my email box today: Why is Hillary in Kenya?

    about 3 hours ago from web

  607. GG @ 8:22: dang..for real?…there’s a bluegrass festival I was planning to attend…really, not just playing the ‘dueling banjos’ line onya…gotta love hanging out with what an old friend used to refer to as the “green teeth & overalls” crowd!

    But I reckon if you’re timeline thing were to happen, priorities just may have to shift some;
    I mean, if the shift is gonna hit the fan, why; there oughta be music!
    ————————————————
    OT: 10/10 for you Islanders is the big Iron-man thingy…if you’re into all that stuff…not me.

  608. Patriot Dreamer

    Forgot to include the link:

    http://twitter.com/JosephFarah

  609. Like I mentioned earlier on this post. “Bill promised Ping Pong Ill that Hillery would wear a blue dress on her next visit…”

  610. October 13 is my b-day. That’ll line up nicely.I’ll take French champagne please..no CA. products due to treasonous dolt senators in that state.
    re: Hillary..I think people are ready for fresh blood…like the local AC repairman for president.

  611. Greg, this is the site with the “original”. It also has close-ups if you read the article you will see these. It clearly shows K.F. and #47644

    http://usurpador.blogcindario.com/2009/08/00237-obama-birthers-kenya-birth-certificate-may-be-real.html

  612. Patriot Dreamer

    Congressman tells Rahm to back off!

    “While this type of scare tactic may work In Chicago, it will not work to intimidate me or other Members of the United States Congress”
    http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/News/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=625

  613. Re-do, I have an elaborate sound system and can offer pretty much any type of music, as well as some live entertainment…

  614. Lame Cherry has no likes for Joseph Farah. Says he has been sitting on information (proof). His dislike is that the country is being destroyed and military are getting killed.

    Like to see a GI put a M16 up his ass.

    Time for a Heineken.

  615. At Canada Free Press, look at the comment section to that article on the Media Blackout! Here is what Mr. Hagmann wrote in the comments:

    “Usually, I am unable to reply to questions due to time constraints, but we have been getting inundated with e-mail questions asking why we just don’t release the name of the talk show host and other sources(I stopped counting at 100 e-mails this afternoon).

    Some have even accused us of “hype,” while others are asking why we waited so long (8 months) from the time we obtained the original statement until today’s release.

    Regarding the latter – we conducted an extensive investigation to develop additional information and sources. Investigations, done properly, take time to be accurate and effective.

    With regard to releasing the names, including the name of the talk show host, we have let it up to the “witnesses” to decide for now. We are talking about real human beings, with wives and husbands, families, etc. who have very real concerns for their professional futures as well as their personal safety.

    Believe me when I say that we are in possession of more evidence and documentation that we have reported here. This is only the first installment. In an investigation of this type, timing of disclosures is an important part of the process, especially when there are very real threats we are dealing with.

    I hope this helps to clear up some of the questions.

    Best regards,

    Doug Hagmann
    Posted by Douglas J. Hagmann on 08/04 at 08:53 PM | # “

  616. Jacqlyn Smith —

    A very LARGE number of Hillary fans post to this site —

    Also, to the TD Blog, and also Rosetta’s sisters.

    So —

  617. jc, I looked at the image you are talking about. When I click on “to see an enlarged image click here” I see 47044 and yes I do see a K. The point is this. I believe that Orly and the person that emailed me on Sunday with the other image are presenting what they believe are true documents. I read on a libtard site that they were seeking obots to flood the internet with altered documents on Monday morning.

  618. 8:31: sorry GG…that LOL tops even yours…
    JS: hope that didn’t cause beer to come out of your nose!

  619. Patriot Dreamer, when I read this, I said, ‘We’re not in Chicago anymore, Totus.’

  620. Going to watch the Redsox, see ya tomorrow..

  621. Patriot Dreamer

    jbjd // August 4, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Patriot Dreamer, when I read this, I said, ‘We’re not in Chicago anymore, Totus.’
    *****************************************
    😀

  622. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Amy1,

    I think the reporter in the Adelaide story lied about one thing: that it was she who broke the story to Mr. D J Bomford. My friend said he left a message on Bomfords answering machine about a hour before he spoke to me, yesterday.

    However, this story is positive confirmation that the Bomford BC is legit, and the Kenyan a fake.

    However it is also an indication that the forgery was done by Obama supporters, and strengthen’s the case of Patriots who question eligibility. Because now we have proof that Obama supporters are forging BCs in an effort to prevent disclosure. This argues that disclosure must be court ordered.

    Thank you, Mr. Obama!

  623. Greg,

    You sure you dont see 47,644 at the top? Its book 44B, page 5733

  624. Jacqlyn Smith

    Patriot Dreamer // August 4, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Congressman tells Rahm to back off!

    **************************************************

    About time someone told this THUG off!!! I can’t stand him….I think when he went to Kenya a Christmas he must have done something with the real BC…I’m sure he paid someone off to keep it hidden….Why would you go to Kenya for the holidays!!! That was always very suspicous to me!

  625. CNN,

    The Ausi BC is a forgery.

    Zoom in on this link …

    When you zoom in (ctrl+) on the bottom of the pic where the final paragraph and signature are, look at the “S” in South Australia and the other text hovering over the crease and fold lines.

    Also read this below…

    Have you seen this on the rightsideoflife page?

    Excerpt at bottom of page:

    “I’ve found lists of participants at 2 international conferences, one hosted by the UN, in which a Richard Bomford attended with a Richard Bamford email address, as someone working for the Aussie Governent, Regional Unit for the Environment, in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT).

    Richard Bomford is listed as the domain holder for Bomford.net where this David Jeffrey Bomford Certification of Registration was found.

    The problem is that Richard Bamford was just involved in a massive fraud case adjudicated in Australian on July 10th of this year.

    Bamford seems to go by the name Bomford.

    Also GIM International lists Richard Bomford as a GIS expert. It is my understanding that GIS information experts have software to produce maps and edit images of such quality, that forging a BC would be child’s play.

    Yet more evidence that the Austrailan bc is the real fake. May even be that Bomford or Bamford is the person behind the Austrailan fake bc.

  626. To take the lazy way out, I want to agree with the earlier posts that thanked CitezenWells. I don’t know what will come of the whole BC thing, but I do know something’s wrong. Very wrong. The hiding going on is making me think that “wrong” is a mild word for what’s happening. I’ve come to wonder why a man who despises a country so much would want to be it’s president. I just know I don’t trust him. Seems like when I say that tho, I get labeled racist…but skin color has nothing to do with it for me, nor whether the person is male or female…just someone who loves the country(and is born here)…is that too much to ask?

  627. GG @ 9:01: don’t wear the Mom-jeans…someone might write a song about you!
    “Play ball!”….hehe

  628. TO: jbjd // August 4, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    A group of people commonly denigrate anything associated with Hillary Clinton. The press refers to these people as Hillary haters.

    ===========================

    Just because the Clintonistas were not indicted doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. Have we forgotten OJ Simpson? Just because you are found innocent doesn’t mean you are innocent.

    Hillary is in Kenya as punishment to keep her away from N Korea while Bill Get Rewarded. The Clintons are being Played just like the Media and Republicans.

  629. PF @ 9:20: Sir…I usually find you right-on…at least what I am able to follow, that is…
    but I wouldn’t be too quick to say
    ‘who-be-playin’-whom’…don’t think she’s just eatin’ cake…

  630. A line from “Russia House” makes a point about asking the right questions: not who, where, when…but ‘WHY? them, there, then?’…
    (can’t quote it directly, but I think you get what I mean..)

  631. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Also, I would note that the original on Orly’s site is 47,044 and E F Lavender. The other with the 47,644 and K F Lavender is a third fake. All other variations and these are Evidently produced by the same forger. Koyaan. That’s how he knew where to find the Bomford, because he found it and forged the other copies.

    Orly never had the original document. She had a color printout of the jpg image. That’s obvious from reading her blog.

    That Koyaan knows the issues well enought to produce a feasible forgery attests to his cleverness.

    That obots could summarize so quickly the problems with the Kenyan, attests to their conspiracy with the forger.

    I still have my doubts about Bomford.net, as Bomford seems to go by Bamford and be involed in fraud in Australia. There might be accomplices with Koyaan, Bomford included. But the spelling mistake in the village name in the Kenyan is something only a modern Chinese speaker would make. Koyaan might be oriental. That would explain his search of an Australian geneological site.

    As for the hight quality of the Bomford BC: its not that high quality, and a good scan can easily be done by someone who knows how. D J Bomford is identified as a retired clerk, so evidently he could know such a person.

    What I never liked about either BC is the low resolution of a scan. When I ask if an image is legit, I always ask the one who gave it to me, to give me a higher resolution scan of the same. A forger cannot do this, because low resolution images hide his craft. An honest fellow can always do this. This one question cuts through hours of analysis.

    Jbjd,

    I think you unfairly characterize the interest those of us at this blog have for the truth. I applaud anyone, even Miss Ticky, if they find a way to get a bureaucrat to talk. However I disagree with Mis Tickys gross and bald faced prevarication that Orly is working for Obama. Orly is just not the immaculate saviour that some want her to be for them. That is unreasonable. But that is nor Orly’s fault. If you want to solve the problem, work with her, not insult her on public forums; or do something yourself and document it. Miss Ticky, you need to document what you did; otherwise no one will readily believe you, couching your discovery in a defamatory post.

  632. GG we are not too far away I am over the border in what seems to be a diff country LOL

  633. Having trouble getting on Oil for Immigration and Right Side of Life. Anyone else?

  634. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The South,

    Yes, I have seen that post at The Right Side of Life. Because that post is mine. My point is that Richard Bomford appears able to produce a forgery. For that reason I did not hold the Bomford to be legit. I never said that for that reason I determined that the Kenyan was authentic. And I just posted that I believe that Koyaan and Bomford may have collaborated. Bomford works in the Aussie capital, and would have friends who work in different embassies; the conspiracy would be easy to sollicit by intelligence agencies, even by the CIA. Koyaan is the principal, but who are the accomplices?

    As for the problems with the Bomford and its letters and folds, I have extensively analyszied these for myself from the original images from both source sites and my experience, which is not professional, leads me to conclude that these arguments against the Bomford’s authenticity were not probative, because I can see sufficient distortion on those letters, even though it is very small.

    As I said the distortion on the letters in the Kenyan proves that whoever did the forger is a master forger or worked with a professional forger, and someone with GIS systems experience would have access to folk who have such software; also someonen with contacts in foreign intelligence would also. That is why Richard Bamford/Bomford might have been a collaborater in this Kenyan forgery.

  635. Ten (10) years ago, our government spent $80m investigating both then President and Mrs. Clinton. Eighty million dollars. $80,000,000. From the Treasury. Our money. Tax dollars. STARR BURNS MONEY TO PROBE CLINTONS
    And notwithstanding this inquiry was championed by people who presumably spent our money in a good faith belief either or both of them had done something terribly wrong – it would have to be criminal to justify such a mammoth expenditure of public funds – the result of this investigation was a nearly 500-page report that talked about sex between the President and a WH intern. (People still debate whether fellatio constitutes “sex.”) <a href="STARR REPORT

    Yet here we are, 10 (ten) years later, posting a laundry list of the same wrongs that were looked into and not credited then. Only a blind hatred of the Clintons could explain such total disregard for the use of taxpayer money in this way, and the (implicit) assumption that everyone involved in the investigation, beginning with Independent Counsel Ken Starr, is inept.

  636. So sorry about that link; it’s PBS, just in case I miss it again.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/starr_report/2toc.htm

  637. WOW Rep Issa,

    This is worth reading also I’ll try and find his e-mail so we can send hima Thank you note and let him know about the NBC and Kenyan BC.
    Anyone have his e-mail? We may have a new HERO in Mr Issa lets encourage him.

    News Release

    Issa to Emanuel: Back Off!
    August 4, 2009

    WASHINGTON. D.C. – Following reports that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has been orchestrating an effort to intimidate members of Congress and Governors who raise legitimate concerns regarding the effectiveness of the stimulus, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Ranking Member Darrell Issa (R-CA) sent a letter to Emanuel saying “While this type of scare tactic may work In Chicago, it will not work to intimidate me or other Members of the United States Congress.”

    “I and others have dared to bring these facts to the attention of President Obama, the Congress and the American people,” Issa wrote. “You’ve unfortunately reacted by once again resorting to the playbook of the Chicago political machine.”

    Last month, Politico reported that Emanuel had “launched a coordinated effort to jam” Senator Kyl and other Administration critics… “[A]fter seeing Kyl and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) again paint the legislation as a failure on Sunday talk shows, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel directed that the letters from the Cabinet secretaries be sent to [Governor] Brewer, according to two administration officials.”

    Issa noted, “The fact that the letters were coordinated by you to maximize the level of intimidation is supported by the timing, structure, and content of each letter. Not only were the four letters all sent the day following Senator Kyl’s remarks, but they were also remarkably similar in tone and sentence structure.”

    Letter from Ray LaHood, Secretary of Transportation:
    On Sunday, Arizona Senator Jon Kyl publicly questioned whether the stimulus is working and stated that he wants to cancel projects that aren’t presently underway. I believe the stimulus has been very effective in creating job opportunities throughout the country. However, if you prefer to forfeit the money we are making available to your state, as Senator Kyl suggests, please let me know [emphasis added].

    Letter from Ken Salazar, Secretary of the Interior:
    Some key Republican leaders in Congress have publicly questioned whether the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is working and suggested cancelling all projects that are not currently in progress. I believe they are wrong. The stimulus funds provided through the Recovery Act are a very effective way to create job opportunities throughout the Country. However, if you prefer to forfeit the money we are making available to Arizona, please let me know [emphasis added].

    “At what point do you believe your practice of Chicago-style politics violates a public official’s right to speak out in favor of alternative policies,” Issa asks. “The American people have a right to know what role you played in developing the threatening letters to Governor Brewer and whether you intend to continue to engage in these tactics in the future.”

    In order to assist the Committee with its investigation of this issue, please provide the following information by close of business on Tuesday, August 11, 2009:
    Your response to Politico’s report that “White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel directed that the letters from the Cabinet secretaries be sent to [Governor] Brewer, according to two administration officials.”
    A full and complete explanation of the development of the four July 13 letters from the cabinet secretaries to Governor Brewer, including but not limited to the role you or any other White House official played in writing the letters or encouraging the writing of the letters.
    All records and communications between you and Secretary LaHood, Secretary Salazar, Secretary Donovan, and Secretary Vilsack referring or relating to the decision to send the July 13 letters to Governor Brewer.
    A full and complete explanation of the role of the Democratic National Committee and the White House Office of Political Affairs in authoring, encouraging, facilitating, or directing the four July 13 letters from the cabinet secretaries to Governor Brewer.

    You can view a copy of the full letter to Emanuel by clicking here.

    http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/News/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=625

  638. jbjd,

    How much did the OJ trial cost? He was innocent also.

    CORRUPTION and MEDIA ACCOMPLICES makes it difficult to SELL or PROVE any politician Guilty. They just make deals and everyone leave with their pockets full.

    CLINTONS like many Politicians Got Away with MURDER.

  639. Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 4, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Amy1,

    I think the reporter in the Adelaide story lied about one thing: that it was she who broke the story to Mr. D J Bomford. My friend said he left a message on Bomfords answering machine about a hour before he spoke to me, yesterday.

    However, this story is positive confirmation that the Bomford BC is legit, and the Kenyan a fake.
    _________________________________

    CNN….am i reading the above post correctly? Did you not just say that,

    “However, this story is positive confirmation that the Bomford BC is legit, and the Kenyan a fake”

    That statement is why i posted the blown up image of the Ausi BC right below your post.

    If I misread your comment, and you weren’t saying that the Bomford BC is legit, please forgive me (i guess i need glasses)

  640. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    I believe in the past 4 days we have seen a coordinated effort to discredit Attorney Orly Taitze, emanating from high levels of the Obama Team, in such a professional manner, that is aking to those experit in information warfare, misinformation, propaganda, and pyschological warfare. The effort’s intent seems to be to break off supporters from Orly and this in preparation for the Courts to reject the Carter case and the Apuzzo case. They are working for total demoralization.

    Our reaction needs to be sensible. Many of us considered the Kenyan to be believable, so how much more would Orly. Yet Orly never said it was authentic, but responded resonably with a motion to discovery. Orly could have not posted the image, and that would have strengthened her motion’s basis. Now that the Kenyan BC is discredited, she won’t have that. Of course I surmise if she did not post the image, that Obama’s lawerys, would have been fully informed by Koyaan as to the problesm with his forgery.

    So Orly’s prudence, even though it would not be the prudence of everyone, got the nation considering the facts of the Mombasa birth, testified to by the Granny and hear by reputable witness(es) in the Anabaptist missionary and his translator.

    Orly has also now, unwittingly perhaps, proven that Obama Team is involved in document forgery.

    Therefore her next move should be to point out that Obama Team cannot be believed on anything they say or claim; original documents must be disclosed.

    So when all is said and done, Orly is winning; dispite, perhaps, her personal foibles.

    Does she need an expert debater coach, or a PR person? If you are one, offer your services to her, and advance the cause.

    I know that the Washington Independent is a fraud, now, because of what my friend, who picked up the phone and called Richard Bomford did, aked him directly, if anyone had previously called. My friend was the first to speak with the owner of Bomford.net, according to R Bomford.

    I also now have it from another friend who was a listerner of Plains Radio back in Dec., that this Kenyan BC image was circulating back then too, that Bomford BC was questioned back then; and that Richard Bomford pulled the image and restored it thereafter. If Orly had a team with someone who has been on this issue, on the net information side of it, I think she would never have posted the image.

  641. Congratulations to Former Pres. Clinton in
    following up HRC’s successful negotiations
    with North Korea to release the two American
    journalists. If it hadn’t been for the thorough
    work of the two veteran Clintons these two
    women would be spending 8-12 years of hard
    labor imprisonment in N. K. or dead in the
    ordeal. Regardless of “political bias” I think
    we can all be happy that this has been accomplished.

  642. OriginUknown

    After reading all of this and trying to decide a glass of wine sounds appropriate. I remembered I had a link to The Trippiest Optical Illusions on the ‘Net, and felt like all things were spinning. I look at this Optical Illusion and it fits so well with all that is going on although the picture is not moving your eyes cant focus cause of the mass info your surrounded by. Check this out the other illusions are pretty neat as well.

    Cheers

    Optical Illusions

    http://www.switched.com/2007/10/17/the-trippiest-optical-illusions-on-the-net-3/

  643. Orly was made fun of on MSN. I think as was
    mentioned here earlier, that Orly needs to have
    a “front spokesperson.” She has such passion that I have seen how the opposition just gets her frustrated until she can hardly get her message out. Then I’ve also seen the rude, snickering by the “news professionals.” She could remedy this quickly by having a “stand in” like Dr. Keyes, etc. Hope she does this so the put downs stop against Orly soon.

  644. PF @ 9:43: but not really…maybe temporarily.
    btw: did you (if I read it correctly) see where OJ might get out…or is at least trying to work some kind of deal?
    —————————————————-
    “What was he doing there at Bundy?!”
    some here would say, “His job!”…

  645. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The South,

    Yes, I did say that the ABC article on D J Bomford conclusively proves that the Bomford BC image is an authentic scan of the original, and that the Kenyan BC image is a forgery based on it.

    Why?

    You have external human testimony, from the source. My friend found what he believed was the address of David Jeffrey Bomford, which I did not then post, but which I will now post:

    Bomford D J & A J
    38 Teasdale Crs
    Parafield Gardens SA 5107
    +61-08-8250-9264

    Call him yourself if you have doubts.

    From this testimony I can see the probity of the Lead Technologies header on the Bomford BC, showing it is a scan; the anonymous poster who talked about Photoshop Elements, I did not believe, because I know of no such program by Adobe. I held as possibly true the comment of the alleged Kenyan, Kitau, but doubted that of Carl the Oversease Service gov. worker.

    I balanced these at the time; but now when you have testimony from someone who ought to have certain knowledge and has publically identified himself to witnesses, you have to scratch out of the evidence box, those testimonies from anonymous sources.

    So we are left with the Black Co-granny saying he was born in Mombasa, D J Bomford who says his BC is legit. We must reasonably conclude that those documents which are similar to the Bomford are forgeries, which incorporated facts which would justify the statement of the Black Co-granny to mock those who believe her.

    This was a highly sophisticated effort of misinformation.

  646. re “the stand in” for Orly: Ben Stein gets my vote, hands down…er, I guess that would be ‘up!’
    seriously…and humorously…speaking…go Ben!

  647. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Which in my opinion has backfired on the Obots.

    BECAUSE We now have conclusive proof that they forge Vital Records!

  648. Great Read at Larry Johnson about BC and BO’s BS Story……everyone should read this.

    NRO points to Larry Johnson’s birth certificate questions
    By LisaBcloseAuthor: LisaB Name: Lisa B
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site:
    About: See Authors Posts (222) on August 1, 2009 at 8:30 AM in Current Affairs

    The National Review Online’s Andrew McCarthy has posted a “keeper”:

    “Suborned in the U.S.A.:
    The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty,
    not where he was born.”

    WHOLE ARTICLE, not to be missed:
    http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/08/01/nro-points-to-larry-johnsons-birth-certificate-questions/

  649. Minds gone wild …

  650. North Korean fathers: Lock up your daughters-Wild Bill Clinton’s in town.

    RUN!

  651. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    We can also concluse that the Carl, gov. worker, and the Kitau, are Obots, whose job was to convince Patriots to believe the forgery. Other obots job was to get us to disbelieve it and to discredit Orly. Koyaan was the lead man. Richard Bomford is the one with plausible deniability. D J Bomford the victim. Orly’s prudence prevailed, since she never said it was authentic, but asked the court to have Hillary petition Kenya to do this.

    The Washington Independent reports a Kenyan diplomat in DC saying that his govt did an investigation when these accusations first surfaced (last fall?) and found no evidence of a Kenyan birth.

    I would now seek from Kenya a full disclosure of what kind of investigation was done, and what they did find out. This admission by the Kenyan Embassy to the USA, an the open door.

    HOWEVER

    let us not loose focus. Obama has admitted a Brit as a father, therefore he cannot be NBC.

    Let’s not loose the focus, as Leo has urged us to do, and use the controvery over the BCs to get folks to understand the NBC requirement and call for the ousting of Barry Jr…

  652. Civis: I mean no disrespect, but I gotta ask:
    why engage at all the ‘suspicious’ ones?…
    (I referred to them as ‘chirps’ in a previous dialog with JS…who then went into depth);
    …or maybe you’re of the opinion their agenda here is legit, and not to partake of “highly sophisticated effort of misinformation”?

    They be the ones that always go back to the language of ‘haters’…or trying to quantify other legit ‘hater’-using periodical…or something weird…just gets all muddy…
    Does that not smack of ‘bot-u-lizm’?
    …if you get my drift?
    ——————————————————–
    One thing is for certain;
    deceipt can never be true.

  653. CNN,

    Do you believe this document is legitimate? Do you believe this is the ‘real Ausi BC’ that has not been altered?

  654. Silver and Everyone, assume you are correct in characterizing the intention of MissTickly’s postings about the HI UIPA is to “discredit” Orly. Ask yourself, what could be her/his motive? Well, I have read several posts from MissTickly in the past few days. Do you understand what s/he has accomplished? S/he contacted the HI DoH, and received correspondence back, the language of which indicated an admission of the existence of a 2nd BC. This 2nd BC could have been issued in the name of Soetoro, evidencing an adoption by an Indonesian national… MissTickly claims to have asked Orly to back off for now until this communication with HI authorities plays out, so as not to jeopardize the production of any actual documentation from the state. Instead, Orly, whether unintentionally, has presumably set in motion a court process that could undermine MissTickly’s initial progress in obtaining information outside of the courtroom, by triggering a sealing of all records, everywhere.

    As for LD, well, he brings nothing new to the table. Besides a questionable legal acumen – he has both called my analysis of Declaratory Judgment wrong on one day and then adopted my analysis the next, with neither an apology in the first instance nor an attribution in the second – he posted a portrait of the JSCOTUS over which he had superimposed the word, “WUSSY.” I stopped taking him seriously after that. As for his historical references to original intent – that’s the term for interpreting the Constitution according to what the Framers intended at the time they wrote the words – I did the research before I entered the fray. And, based on my research, I agree the Framers intended for “natural born citizen” = native born + 2 (two) citizen parents. But that means absolutely nothing until the federal appellate court rules, that’s what it means. In the meantime, what do you think would be the result if in just 1 (one) state, an AG ruled, the DNC perpetrated election fraud by Certifying BO is a NBC without first making a rational determination, he is?

    The DNC rules say, their nominee for POTUS must be eligible for the job. They swore, BO was. But they refuse requests for documentation that was the basis for this Certification. The Certification was used to get BO’s name printed onto state ballots. How many people voted using those ballots, assuming everyone whose name appeared was eligible, because the Party said he or she was?

    I have no idea how long an AG investigation into election fraud would take; but I know that it would take less time than a full-blown court case. And it would be far less expensive. In fact, we already paid for this, with our taxes!

    Finally, to those of who continue to suggest, critics should ‘work with Orly, instead of against her’; some of us tried that, first.

  655. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Couldn’t agree with you more. This is so typical of victim and perpetrator psychological makeup.

    The tables are quickly turned and the victim ends up with the majority of the weight of having to PROVE they’re not the one’s committing the crime. The perpetrator gains the upper hand (if only for a short time) while the victim shrinks under pressure.

    I see it time and time again. That’s why rape victims don’t often report the crime.

    We must be vigilant and give our support to Orly.

  656. LOL on self: fix typo: “deceit…” of course…
    and
    “poor spelling doesn’t usually look so smart”;
    just like a ‘grocery receit’…right?….
    —————————————————–
    until Wednesday…

  657. JBJD,

    Is there a state that is Republican governed that would be inclined to hear and put into motion an investigation? All we need is ONE. How about TEXAS? Any Ideas? I have always liked your idea of getting Pelosi to show her proof what she relied on to Attest Obamunist was ELIGIBLE.

    Who will listen and investigate? We are talking about ELECTION FRAUD by BO, Pelosi and the DNC.

  658. Putting all of that aside right now about the BC, and considering the new article at WND about Obama’s mama being in the University of Washington 15 days after his birth, well, this leaves the door open for a Canadian birth.

  659. TO:
    The South // August 4, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    I looked at that document and if you look at the folds especially at the botton the letters FLOAT over the Grand Canyon Crease instead of falling in and following the paper. Looks like a FORGERY ALSO.

  660. truthbetold11

    gg going to the sox game, they are in tampa bay have fun, you live in new hampshire

  661. “….I ‘m sure he jumped at the chance…..I’m surprised Hillary let him though! LOL….”
    —————————————————-
    sorry (careful with your beverage) but my glasses were abit askew when I first read this, and thought you wrote “he jumped in his pants!”
    ———————————————————-
    he probably did that, too…LOL…okay, really; got git outta this place…if it’s the last thing…

  662. We still have
    1) Something Farah is set to reveal
    2) The media cover up from Canada Free Press and the Northeast Intelligence Network
    Let’s continue to roll!

  663. kittycat // August 4, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    I don’t believe Stanley Ann Dunham was the birth mother. I believe that baby was given to her to raise. There are too many HOLES in the story of her and Sr. bein gthe actual parents. I believe he was a Bastard Child of either a foreigner, adultery or rape and given to her to raise and Americanize. This would fill in alot of the blanks.

  664. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    jbjd // August 4, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Ten (10) years ago, our government spent $80m investigating both then President and Mrs. Clinton. Eighty million dollars. $80,000,000. From the Treasury. Our money. Tax dollars. STARR BURNS MONEY TO PROBE CLINTONS
    And notwithstanding this inquiry was championed by people who presumably spent our money in a good faith belief either or both of them had done something terribly wrong – it would have to be criminal to justify such a mammoth expenditure of public funds – the result of this investigation was a nearly 500-page report that talked about sex between the President and a WH intern. (People still debate whether fellatio constitutes “sex.”) <a href="STARR REPORT

    Yet here we are, 10 (ten) years later, posting a laundry list of the same wrongs that were looked into and not credited then. Only a blind hatred of the Clintons could explain such total disregard for the use of taxpayer money in this way, and the (implicit) assumption that everyone involved in the investigation, beginning with Independent Counsel Ken Starr, is inept.
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    Portuguese Revolutionary War Hero – Peter Francisco // August 4, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    TO: jbjd // August 4, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    A group of people commonly denigrate anything associated with Hillary Clinton. The press refers to these people as Hillary haters.

    ===========================

    Just because the Clintonistas were not indicted doesn’t mean they didn’t do it. Have we forgotten OJ Simpson? Just because you are found innocent doesn’t mean you are innocent.

    Hillary is in Kenya as punishment to keep her away from N Korea while Bill Get Rewarded. The Clintons are being Played just like the Media and Republicans.

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    Peter Francisco—-You are exactly right with your comparison of the Clintons to OJ….In the public opinion they are guilty…..even though they got away with murder….further more when jbjd says they wasted that much of our tax payer money it is no wonder our country is in the mess it is in!!! Defending criminals with our own money!! YUCK!

  665. truthbetold11 // August 4, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    gg going to the sox game, they are in tampa bay have fun, you live in new hampshire

    ====================
    I think he meant he was going to watch the game. Meaning on TV

  666. PRWHPF and everyone, the task of investigating election fraud rightly belongs with the state AG. It has absolutely nothing to do with the Governor; or whether you are a D or R; or whether the AG is a D or R. Every state official of whatever party affiliation represents all citizens of the state, whether D or R or I or E; or unregistered, or too young to vote, anyway.

    I wrote an article on my blog about this issue. (The article begins with an email I sent to a lawyer involved in court cases on this issue.) Post questions there and I will answer them.
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  667. Y’all go look at the newest article on WND.

    Obama ‘mama:’ 15 days
    from birth to Seattle class, that’s the name of it.

  668. PF @ 10:42!! all the more reason NOT to wear the Mom-jeans!! LOL!!

  669. WOW. almost 700 comments in about six hours. That MUST be a CW record!

  670. TO:

    Re-do // August 4, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    “….I ‘m sure he jumped at the chance…..I’m surprised Hillary let him though! LOL….”

    ++++++++++++++=

    At his age to make anything jump in the pants was he taking an ObamScare Blue Pill, Pink Pill or Red Pill? Or just Mexican Jumping Beans?

  671. PRWH-PF,

    Yes, the letter are floating over the grand canyon crease.

    There are examples of that all over the document. There are several periods (….) that are floating over Grand Canyon creases on that document as well.

    It’s not a very good forgery at all. Very sloppy!

  672. jbjd @ 9:35.

    Thanks again! 😉

  673. PF: you seem to be up to engaging the chirpping…I keep trying (okay, not very hard) to shut this thing off, then you through out a pitch that needs swinging at…

  674. Jacqlyn Smith

    Is this true????

    BREAKING NEWS! OBAMAS OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE RECORDS RELEASED UNDER COURT ORDER ! RECORDS SHOW REAL NAME BARRY SOETORO & HE RECEIVED FINANCIAL AID AS FOREIGN STUDENT! MORE ! SUPREME COURT TO HEAR ELIGIBILITY CASE AGAINST MR. OBAMA! DO YOU CARE? BOUT TIME?

    #

    Long Time Lurker // August 4, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    http://www.sodahead.com/question/346077/breaking-news-obamas-occidental-college-records-released-under-cour/

  675. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

    long time lurker,

    This is old news and fake

    April fools joke……

    geez…not again

  676. Jacqlyn Smith

    Sandy is right….it is dated April….just a joke!!

  677. jbjd // August 4, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    What I meant was like LIE-berals SHOPPING for LIE-beral Judge.

    If we have a Conservative State that has a majority Republican, a R Governor and a R AG than we should shop this idea there where they will be MORE INCLINED to Investigate because we know a LIE-beral State would NEVER do it unless PUSHED by Legal Demand.

    Any ideas of what state would be a good state to do it? Texas? Tennesse? Kentucky? What states had all those reps sign up to be Orly Plaintiffs maybe we need to talk to those Reps. I think we need to act on this as a New Front. Who’s with me?

  678. Well, crud, it darn sure is dated April. I didn’t notice that first. Shoot!

  679. PF @ 10:48…no, no, no…he offered his ‘services’ to help escort the young ladies home…a very good thing for them adn their families (no joke about that), for sure!!

    but…not such a good addition to HIS resume’, though…ya think? Maybe, in an odd sorta way, it was his b’day gift (?)…I mean, everybody else was celebrating, right? It was a global thing, you see.

  680. Yes: it was an “April Fools” yarn…and it’s been around the horn many times already…
    —————————————————-
    so was the bit about HRC doing “Her job.”, only that was actually pretty funny.

  681. TO:
    Re-do // August 4, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    I wonder if he mentioned a 3-some at the Ping Pong Roach Motel?

    I didn’t have sex with those two journalists it depends what is, is and whether oral sex is sex or just talking about sex……. those were the good old days when the most we had to worry about was an adulterer in the People’s House that like to permanently eliminate his enemies. Now we have a Bastard Child that we have no idea who and what he is ……….. I would settle for a cigar smoking adulterer right about now instead of a crack smokin “pitcher adn catcher” who’s culinary skills is “salad tossing” and is a “teabagging queen” who is governed by a real Queen that likes a spot of tea………

  682. 709 and rolling like thunder, eh?…really, what is the record for one ‘thread’?…
    ——————————————————
    still some noise, JS…and it’s cracking me up…and I don’t even have any adult beverage anywhere nearby…(don’t you feel sad for me?!)
    —————————————————
    okay. as tempting as it is to stay, I’m gonna resist…go get some nourishment…and possibly a beverage…and check in with y’all en la manana.
    Take it easy, PF…

  683. Kim and kittycat, when you publicly announce your reliance on anything that comes from the collaboration between the web site, CFP and Douglas Hagmann’s group, NEIN (Northeast Intelligence Network, get it?) you identify with a neo-Nazi enterprise that prints headlines such as this:
    MUSLIM NIGGERS TRAIN FOR JIHAD IN CATSKILLS
    (In case you missed it, the link to CFP is on the bottom of the page.)

  684. A Question of Eligibility is now online !!!!!!!

    The Movie!!

  685. Go to YouTube to watch the other parts 2,3,4,5…

  686. This morning Orly was on Mancow again, and she got mad and hung up on him again. He was cruel to her both times. And Mancow spoke at the Chicago Tea Party April 15.
    I am fed up with all media. I am thankful for the few blogs I feel at home at.
    Thanks CW for this site!

  687. I guess nobody is with me? On shopping around for a State that is Republican controlled that would be willing to look into Election Fraud on the Certification of the Candidates by Fraud at the DNC who certified BO eligible WITHOUT EVER LOOKING AT ANY DOCUMENT.

    Anyone think it is a good idea?

  688. 700 postings and now my head hurts.

    Lots of good info and lots of bad. Some of us got carried away too.

    In my opinion the Aussie BC is fake. It was probably altered and replaced and the owner didn’t know any better. The forger probably just did a Google search, found it online made the changes, reposted it and then let someone know where it could be found. Sometimes the simplest answers are the right ones.

    The Kenyan is a photo of a real doc not a scan so it’s harder to prove. From what I’ve heard Orly took that picture herself. So she either has or at least has been in the same room with the original. I may be wrong on that one but such is the nature of all of this stuff. No matter what it is impossible to determine a forgery based on a photo of the item. You couldn’t do it with the Mona Lisa and you sure couldn’t do it with a birth certificate sitting on a table. So right now I’d say we have to wait and see what the future holds. Take lots of asprin.

    Oh and CNN just for your records “Photoshop Elements” is a real Adobe product. I’ve used it but never cared for it much.

  689. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Jerome,

    Can you give me a link or cite from the Photoshop Elements manual that verifies it can peel away a image’s layers after they are flattened into one image?.

    The South,

    I think it is useless to verify what a copy image is. I have the original images of both, and look at them. On the original of the D J Bomford there are evideces of folds

    ON ALL THE LETTERS which cross creases.

    Yes, even the ones alleged not to have creases on other sites. Com’on folks, don’t believe that any copies are legit, go to the source always.

    I could not care less whether the negative you cited, The South, is a true copy or not (no offense taken). I took the original and in Photoshop looked at it in the negative and none of these alleged Ks or letters not folded appear.

    I still think that the guy claiming the Photoshop Elements peals away from the Bomford, was eithe lying, or was not looking at the original Bomford, but one which was used by the Forger to produce the Kenyan, and posted on line as the original Bomford to confuse the matter.

  690. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Oh, and Jerome,

    Orly never was in the presence of the original. The image she posted is of a color copy of the alleged original photo. But what she had was merely a color printout of a jpg which was forged by Koyaan or another Obot.

    And yes, this same image Orly posted, was on the Net in Jan or Dec, with a Dutch disclaimer saying it was a political statement and we have to accept Obama as legit. This watermark statement in dutch disproved it. So Koyaan or someone, evidently removed the watermark and passed it on to Orly, who asked for a printed out copy. I suspect the source of Orly’s print out is a forger.

    In any case, Orly instead of going to document experts, should have gone to computer experts, who would have advised her to ask for a high resolution scan of the original, because that would have immediately shown that the provenance of the copy she received was a forgery, because you can never produce a higher resolution image of a jpg forgery than the resolution the forger worked in, to produce it; so keep asking for a higher resolution, and you can quickly discover whether there is a real paper document or a forgery behind it; or at least eliminate the not so expert forgers…

  691. CNN,

    On the The SOUTH link if you look on the bottom where you see most wiriting on the form that came from the Printing Press (the more white and heavier print) letter they “float” and don;t follow the creases of folds on the paper. It looks odd.