Obamacare premiums in Florida to rise 45 percent on average in 2018, What about deductibles?, Impact on private and company plans?

Obamacare premiums in Florida to rise 45 percent on average in 2018, What about deductibles?, Impact on private and company plans?

Other firms will shift toward part-time workers. More than 40 percent of CFOs say their companies will consider switching some jobs to less than 30 hours per week or targeting part-time workers for future employment.”…Duke University Fuqua School of Business December 11, 2013

“If you like your plan, you can keep it.”…Barack Obama

“millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.”…NBC News October 29, 2013


We all know that healthcare premiums have skyrocketed since the advent of Obamacare.

Higher deductibles, under reported, are the dinosaur in the room.

And what about private and company plans?

From the Miami Herald September 26, 2017.

“Obamacare premiums in Florida to rise 45 percent on average next year

Health insurers selling Affordable Care Act plans in Florida will raise monthly premiums by nearly 45 percent on average next year, the state’s Office of Insurance Regulation said Tuesday.”

“Florida insurance regulators announced proposed rates for ACA plans in 2018 on Tuesday. Below is a list of insurers and the average rate increase approved by the Office of Insurance Regulation.

On Exchange

  • Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Florida Inc., 38.1 percent
  • Celtic Insurance Company, 46.1 percent
  • Florida Health Care Plans, Inc., 26.5 percent
  • Health First Commercial Plans, Inc., 39.3 percent
  • Health Options, Inc., 36 percent
  • Molina Healthcare of Florida, 71.2 percent

Off Exchange

  • Avmed, Inc., 38.7 percent
  • Cigna Health and Life Insurance Company, 68.9 percent
  • Freedom Life Insurance Company of America, 80 percent”

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74 responses to “Obamacare premiums in Florida to rise 45 percent on average in 2018, What about deductibles?, Impact on private and company plans?

  1. “In his first executive order, President Trump on Friday directed government agencies to scale back as many aspects of the Affordable Care Act as possible, moving within hours of being sworn in to fulfill his pledge to eviscerate Barack Obama’s signature health care law.”


  2. Obamacare is supposedly a law. No. It is a crime on the citizens of the United States. Enough Congress. Abolish this crime.

  3. CW………
    ………While Advantage plans might not be for everyone, I have had such plans for the last 5 years, and here in Indiana I have Aetna PPO which is without cost to me.

  4. DSP2………..
    ……………..you are correct……..and this crime was found to be a tax by Mr. Roberts at the SCOTUS. The bullshi# dreamed up by the legal cohorts of Soetoro are part and parcel to what is happening to America. This is by INTENTION ,and not by accident. Yet far too many people don’t have a clue what is actually happening. PITIFUL!

  5. CW,
    I remember judge Roy Moore’s name coming up quite often during discussion on Citizen Wells, during lawsuits brought in his court pertaining to our usurper, Obama. I’ll bet there is some juicy info about usurper Obama, and Roy Moore’s opinions, contained therein. Moore is moving closer to the Senate every day, and democrats are scared to death of him, they have even called him, “BIRTHER!!!”, I haven’t seen the RICO Regime this upset, and fearful, in a long time, if Moore can ID the usurper, the American people will benefit!

    Arrest the usurper!!!



  6. “Moore said he’s seen no convincing evidence that Obama is a “natural born citizen” and a lot of evidence that suggests he is not.”…Judge Roy Moore interview by WND

  7. fhl………….
    ……………GOOD ONE! Great shot at the TWISTED GOONS in America.

  8. fhl…………

  9. First Sponsor Pulls Ad Dollars From The NFL

    “Our companies will not condone unpatriotic behavior!” said Jones, CEO of the payday lending chain Check Into Cash and owner of Hardwick Clothes – America’s oldest suit maker.


  10. Von Miller found out that Ford is not going to give him a new contract. Oh Well, that’s what happens when you take a knee..

  11. fhl…………..
    …………….10-4 on the INEQUALITY……..har de har har

  12. AND……….
    ……………..tonight Hannity hit the ball OUT FO THE PARK…………he had Rush on the show who also hit the ball OUT OF THE PARK . Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Maddow show turned into a -0 if that is possible. It is probable that the entire viewing audience was watching Hannity tonight. Further GO TO HELL NFL, NBA, MLB. America DOESN’T NEED POS who abuse our ANTHEM ,and FLAG. All of you should go and live in one of the third world countries…………be sure to learn how to play SOCCER.

  13. ONCE AGAIN……….
    ……………….KOOKI WHOOPI has opened her mouth, and is now regretting it. Go to The HORN news and read about it.

  14. The heck of it is, these players doing the protesting are under contract and they’re going to get their money. It’s football fans, the owners, and future players who are getting the shaft out of this. They’re all going to get the shaft because they’re too afraid to tell these ninnies to shape up or get out.

  15. Trudy………
    …………one by one, two by two……….POTENTIALLY……ALL might find themselves UNEMPLOYED. Perhaps this is the only way they can learn respect for their own country……….something which they should have learned in the FIRST GRADE.

  16. fhl……….
    ………”.get out “might be the words of some, but my words would be “SHIP OUT”…………but we are BOTH RIGHT…….and you are right on the money.

  17. CW……….
    ………….with respect to healthcare, it would be a lot cheaper if the providers weren’t under a government mandate to provide FREE HEALTHCARE to ILLEGALS. People who pay for their healthcare get hit in the rear two ways……increased premiums, and increased taxes. TOTAL BULLSHI#. Simple logic says a healthcare insurer cannot pay for the FREE GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE of 20 million illegals………..nor can the US government. Time for the illegals to bring their own doctors with them to work for FREE.

  18. ONE FOR THE ROAD………..
    …………..Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Fonda obviously didn’t like the flavor of Megan’s question regarding her PLASTIC SURGERY. She became downright hostile. I guess if someone looked like Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Fonda it is more than reasonable they too would look for some plastic surgery. This hostility coming from somebody like the TRAITOROUS VIETNAM INSULTOR only compounds the public disgust of her. HEY FONDA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND RUN YOUR DIRTY MOUTH. VETERANS DON’T FORGET!

  19. oldsailor, bingo!
    Not to mention mandating the level of coverage.

  20. CW……..
    ………….if people are expected to pay the increases in the ACA premiums they might as well pay the whole medical bill themselves. The increase in some states amounts to as much cost as a person might incur in a year. So in reality having healthcare insurance is comparable to SHOVELING MANURE AGAINST THE TIDE.

  21. The link above shows Mark Zuckerberg in contact with John Podesta. Collusion?????

  22. Julian Assange shares photograph of possible Russian collusion


  23. your average NFL locker room

  24. AND TONIGHT……….
    ……….will come PART TWO of Rush Limbaugh on Hannity, @ 9:00 PM. ET.

    …………yesterday LIED TO AMERICA ONCE AGAIN………….they tried to make everybody believe that Rush Limbaugh show had been shut down. TOTAL BULLSHI#. Was all over the INTERNET. THE STINKING A$$ED LIBERALS JUST CAN’T STOP THEIR BLATANT LIES. REAL POS.
    Melania Trump offered some Dr.Suess books to a school in MA. The librarian rejected the Dr.Suess books ……..her reason was because they inferred racist views…….but after a little digging into THE LIBRARIAN’S past a video was found wherein she was dressed in a CAT IN A HAT costume, and there was green eggs, and ham everywhere……….ANOTHER CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A LIBERAL LUNATIC! HAPPY TO SEE THAT THIS PERSON WAS EXPOSED FOR WHAT SHE OBVIOUSLY IS……A REALLY SICK PIECE OF SHI#. MORE THAN LIKELY A LESBIAN.

  26. I’ve just about had it up to my red-white-and-royal-blue butt with the constant cries of racism from a certain segment of the black community. The country had been handed to them on a silver platter for the past 50 years, but they still b!itch, complain, gripe, riot, and burn down their own neighborhoods every time anything happens that they don’t like. Well tough sheeeeet. Try not committing 95% of crime in any given city, OK?

    So some of their ancestors were slaves. Bad thing, sure. No dispute. But you know what? I have a real hard time giving a rat’s droppings about something that happened 150 years ago, that NONE of us (and very few of our ancestors) had anything whatsoever to do with.

    You know what really IS within living memory that no one seems to give a sh!t about? Six million dead Jews. Blue, six-digit numbers tattooed on the right forearm. I’ve met several very elderly, fragile people with those numbers, who survived tortures and atrocities these fat, whining welfare whores with their multicolored claws, ridiculous weaves, and 5-6 bastards by 5-6 different sperm donors can’t even begin to comprehend. Women being forced to mate with dogs. Mutilations of countless children, just because they were unlucky enough to be born twins. Medical “experiments” that would make any normal person vomit uncontrollably. Bodies stacked like cordwood, floor to ceiling. Corpses loaded into the ovens like coal into the furnace of an old-style locomotive — some of which weren’t even dead yet. Boxes and boxes and boxes of human hair that the Nazis sold for profit. Same thing with the huge tables piled FEET HIGH with the gold fillings, crowns and bridgework of the dead.

    While my dad, being Army Air Corps, wasn’t directly involved in the liberation of the death camps, a great many of his friends were. The things they privately told him about what they saw in Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz, Birkenau, Treblinka, and the others would make a marble statue cry. They made HIM cry — my dad, who was an abusive SOB and considered his own children nothing more than tax deductions.

    So when these sniveling, grossly overpaid multi-millionaires actually have something to b!itch about, they can come b!itch to me. Until then, eff them. Eff the NAACP. Eff the Congressional Black Caucus. Eff the Bullsh!t Lives Matter movement. Eff all of them. The particular segment of the black population that I’m referring to do NOT want co-existence. They don’t want a better life for themselves and their families. They want OVERLORDSHIP. They want to rule. They want us to worship them.

    Oh, and these effing kneelers who have no respect for either the National Anthem or the country it represents? They can go straight back to their glorious Africa. Or Hell, whichever comes first.

  27. AND TONIGHT…….
    …………..I read that Oprah Winfrey will possibly run for POTUS in 2020………this is in addition to Michael Soetoro. Either one of them if elected would finish off our country, and it would end up a writhing mass of humanity upon a DEAD ROADKILL all trying to get a bite of the decaying carcass. Neither has the aptitude to hold such an office.

  28. AFB……..
    ………..it is almost COMMON KNOWLEDGE that many of the ALLEGED SLAVES had much improved lives as slaves when compared with what their lives were where they came from. Some slave owners educated them, clothed them, and otherwise supported them. Not all slave owners ABUSED his slaves. In short many of them ended up with much improved life styles

  29. fhl………..
    ……….you hit another one out of the park.

    ………..for those of us who are old enough to remember the Berlin airlift it would seem that now would be a great time to re create it where Puerto Rico is concerned. Then simultaneously send as many skilled tradesmen as possible there to begin rebuilding operations. Navy Sea Bees would also be a big help. HEY PRESIDENT TRUMP WHATS THE HOLDUP?

    ……………Of late I am beginning to believe that President Trump has the DEEP STATE really frightened. The deep state is a complex weave of ALL political faiths. These CAREER POLITICAL CRIMINALS have controlled America for FAR TOO LONG. They are described by our president as being the “ORGANISATION”. This organization is patterned after the New York Sicilian Mafia Mob. It includes crooked judges, on the take cops, yes men politicians, and finally the GOON SQUAD (ENFORCERS). I seriously believe that very soon they might even try to assassinate President Trump……..and maybe even Pence if he refuses to go along with them. The deep state includes many billionaires as well. It is now very clear what their mission is, and it is time for ALL Americans to stand up, and follow the information contained in the Declaration of Independence………….and prepare a lot of GARROTES FOR EXTENSIVE SERVICE.

  32. If they really wanted to bring awareness to injustice, here’s a place they could kneel….

  33. PSA for men who use viagra.

  34. Well, how bout this……..It’s a Start

    Chinese police order Xinjiang’s Muslims to hand in all copies of the Qur’an

    Chinese authorities in the northwestern region of Xinjiang have ordered ethnic minority Muslim families to hand in religious items including prayer mats and copies of the Quran to the authorities, RFA has learned.

    Officials across Xinjiang have been warning neighborhoods and mosques that ethnic minority Uyghur, Kazakh and Kyrgyz Muslims must hand in the items or face harsh punishment if they are found later, sources in the region said.

    “Officials at village, township and county level are confiscating all Qurans and the special mats used for namaaz [prayer],” a Kazakh source in Altay prefecture, near the border with Kazakhstan told RFA on Wednesday.

    “Pretty much every household has a Quran, and prayer mats,” he said.

  35. AND NOW……..
    ………….we know why the mayor of San Juan has flipped her wig………….FoxNews’s Heraldo is THERE filling her full of his TWISTED logic, and his sick rationale. He appeared on Fox early today and was hyping the destruction, and CRITICISING President Trump for doing so little to get supplies to the island. He was DELIBERATELY TWISTING THE TRUTH……….the needed supplies were there in a warehouse near where he was standing and doing his public LYING. He is a continuing embarrassment to Foxnews. Perhaps one day the LIBERAL SONS of Rupert Murdoch will realise that everytime he shows his face on Fox they LOSE another 15 million viewers…………and I am among those who turn off the TV. I can’t stand to look at Heraldo, or listen to his BULLSHI#.

  36. AND NOW………
    …………the ORANGE JUICE is out of prison. Wondering who is first on his hit list. Whoever it is you can be sure there will be a pair of undersized gloves laying nearby where the body is found. “Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me”.

    ………….has publically stated that they don’t want OJ in their state. I can’t help wonder if he will become the DEMOCRATIC candidate for POTUS in 2020…………wouldn’t surprise me at all. What is worse, I believe that our MORONIC, NOSE PICKING, STINKING A$$ED, DRUG FOGGED, LOW IQ POS CHILD LIBERALS WOULD ELECT HIM IN A LANDSLIDE.

  38. PLEASE listen and or read this!!! The mayor and governor is in on the starvation of the people of Porto Rico! This is a planned event to make president Trump look bad… Pass this video on!

  39. Ginger……..
    …………because the person doing the talking is an ALLEGED cop, doesn’t mean that any of what she is saying is true, or even a cop. However I would agree that if the emergency supplies are not being distributed they are being CRIMINALLY WITHELD. If this is true then yes we should send an entire division of the US Army to declare MARTIAL LAW and with the authority to arrest anyone who attempts to impede the distribution of emergency supplies, no matter what his/her status might be………..and full prosecution to follow. The Army needs to take along a lot of qualified truck drivers to facilitate the distribution of supplies. and a huge MP unit to enforce the martial law. I too am praying that these people will finally get the relief they need so badly, and if the TWISTED mayor of San Juan interferes she needs to be arrested, and placed in confinement. She is obviously a puppet of the LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. She sounds like a complete halfwit.

  40. Ginger……..
    …………..I have been in San Juan a couple of times. The people who I encountered all seemed to be friendly, and helpful……….but that was decades ago in the late 1950s while serving in the Navy. I am sure that a lot of changes have taken place.

  41. Ginger……..
    ……………San Juan has become a container port. You might remember that the container ship EL FARRO was bound for San Juan when it sank in heavy seas. The point which I am making is that the port has both the space, and the ability to moves hundreds of tons of products from all over the world, in a very short period of time. In reality there should already be thousands of tons of EMERGENCY NECESSITIES at the container terminal. It boggles the mind to believe that anyone would be such a BASTARD as to deliberately withhold supplies from the people of Puerto Rico……….it would rebound upon them very quickly……….and with the ferocity of an angered wild animal. Such a person would have to be CRIMINALLY INSANE. I too think that it is all theatrics which are intended to paint a very bad picture of President Trump………..but it will explode in the faces of the perpetrators just as did with all the rest of their halfwitted criminal adventures of the recent past. Trump needs to send the Army to Puerto Rico to facilitate the distribution of the supplies……..he is the CINC, and can do that without the approval of Congress. The island should be put under MARTIAL LAW………at least FOR NOW………..but it might have to be for a period of months.

  42. Gee, i wonder why someone would start firing away at a Country Music concert. Where there are only White People. I wonder if the shooters took a knee before they started blasting away.

    Is there any doubt?

  43. Here is the result of demonizing white people. Thanks NFL.

  44. citizenwells

    “According to the Australian, Marilou Danley, the woman wanted by police in connection with the Las Vegas shooting is Australian. The Australian understands that she was the girlfriend of the dead shooter Stephen Paddock. Ms Danley is understood to have shared a house in Las Vegas with Mr Paddock. She holds an Australian passport and is possibly of Indonesian decent.”


    Marilou Danley in Dubai

  45. citizenwells

    “STEPHEN PADDOCK The Gunman was Anti Trump Extreme Left”

  46. ISIS Claims Stephen Paddock ‘Converted to Islam’ Before Shooting
    1 min ago – The terrorist group claims that Stephen Paddock converted to Islam … BREAKING: Without providing evidence, Islamic State claims Las Vegas

    Islamic State Claims Responsibility For Vegas Attack; Says Paddock …
    16 mins ago – In a bizarre development, the Islamic State’s news agency Amaq has

  47. AND………..
    …………….the growth on his upper lip make him look as though he is FOAMING AT THE MOUTH which is synonymous with the SICK,TWISTED, and otherwise LUNATIC LEFT. Did he scream ALLAHU AKBAR as he killed the people? Now it is time to ship his carcass to San Francisco where they can eulogise,and praise his existence.

  48. CW……….
    ………….I am wondering what those who sanction SANCTUARY CITIES are thinking NOW. Is Las Vegas a sanctuary city? Perhaps a few of those who support sanctuary cities are now laying in a hospital. They need to have a QURAN delivered to them.
    Now we all have been SHOWN why President Trump wants such BASTARDS off our streets. Yet so many Americans could not figure out what was happening. It is time that self defense both with, and without firearms is taught beginning in high school. More Americans need to be able to think quickly on their feet to avoid becoming a dead person. Sadly in our society, being what it is these events will probably intermittently continue to happen. Some of the offenders are so called REFUGEES. However at this point we don’t have any information on Mr. Paddock who was an alleged convert to Islam…………but in short he was also a CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH. America was warned long ago about such people who convert and come from WITHIN. This tells us that if there is ONE there are probably many more. Always watch your back and surroundings whenever you are outside. This is ANOTHER GOOD REASON to avoid attending football, basketball games, as well as MLB games. I am sure that the POS who dropped to their knee are now PRAISING the acts of Mr. Paddock.

  49. AND……….
    ………because of the twisted mentally ill people who walk among us, we must stay away from our favorite gatherings.(football games, baseball games, basketball, church, grocery stores, etc. This sort of behavior from such a twisted person, or twisted people will hopefully anger Americans enough to get off their duffs, and begin living in REALITY. There is GOING TO BE MORE OF THE SAME…….we just don’t know WHEN. GET ANGRY FOLKS, AND START WATCHING THINGS A LOT CLOSER………..THIS WILL HELP, BUT IT WON’T ELIMINATE IT.

  50. VERY SOON……..


  52. ONE MORE THING……..
    …………..it is fast becoming clear that President Trump’s plate is already filled to the brim. Yesterday’s mass murders which now adds more to his plate will without a doubt test his mettle.
    …………and now Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Piggy sees fit to run her idiotic mouth about gun control. I had expected it to come first from Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. WINE STEIN.

  53. AND………..
    ……….Mr. Paddock’s DASTERDLY…….COWARDLY ATTACK upon innocent people is beyond imagination, and it puts a hellish pain in my heart for all who were either killed or injured. I can’t describe the level of pain I am feeling as a result of this senseless mass murder of innocent people. Mr. Paddocks act once again clearly confirms that there are WEAK MINDED people among us……..particularly those who convert to such a PHONY RELIGION as ISLAM which worships a FALSE GOD. A person would have to be a CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATH or extremely warped mentally to begin with to believe such BULLSHI#.

  54. So….. Mr Paddock story is a little hard to believe. Pamela Geller has photos of him at Anti-Trump rally….? Left wing nut?

    ISIS gave a ‘warning’ to Vegas in late may? ISIS. Supposedly recent convert to Muslim with Muslim girlfriend from Indonesia. ? ISIS

    Mr Paddock appears to own two planes, two houses, and is a high stakes video poker gambler, without a job for almost 30 years…….in addition he changes addresses all of the time. Worked for DOD related companies. ? CIA

    Family has no clue about him, didn’t see it coming. His father was psychopath on FBI most wanted list. ?Genetics

    Is this the deep state playing games, trying to force Trump into something?

    Smells weird.


  55. citizenwells

    I looked at video that Gellar got photos from earlier today & was not convinced it is same guy.
    Still not convinced.

  56. citizenwells

    I had a Lee Harvey Oswald deja vu moment earlier today.
    Anyone else?

  57. Just on news “may have worked for government agency……we can neither confirm or deny”….


    Has to be. Explains it all. Weapons, explosives, lifestyle, houses, planes, money, and…….motive.

    It will get buried in anti-gun rhetoric. Bettin money (no pun intended on his gambling) he was deep state, anti-trump. This smells like Democrats…..


  58. citizenwells

    “At least 20 rifles were found in the hotel room of the gunman in the Las Vegas mass shooting, a law enforcement official confirmed, along with hundreds of rounds of ammunition.”

  59. Pete……….
    …………at this point in time I think I am leaning toward the LEFT WING NUT theory. Further it is well within the scenario of being a criminal psychopath to begin with converting to Islam fits perfectly.

  60. IN ADDITION………
    …………the TALKING BOBBLE HEADS on FOX don’t seem to know the difference between SEMI AUTOMATIC ,and FULL AUTOMATIC weapons. In the case of Kalishnakovs model 1947, there are millions of these that were manufactured in many different countries, including Romania. The weapons were manufactured with a selector which can change the mode of fire from semi auto to full auto. the latter is a machine gun with a cyclic rate of 600 rounds per minute. Many of these which were produced by Norinco were AK 47s from which only the full automatic sear was removed and then resold in America as SEMI AUTO weapons……..and was compliant with the laws at the time. These weapons are in America by the millions as semi auto, BUT it only requires the installation of a FULL AUTO SEAR for them to become an ORIGINAL AK 47. These were manufactured to use 7.62×39 ammo. The Norinco made weapons used a STAMPED steel receiver. These were CHEAPLY produced but were HIGHLY RELIABLE weapons on the battlefield. During the Viet Nam war a number of our soldiers in the field were forced to pick up an AK 47 near a dead NVA…….and use it to fight with because it was known even then to be a lot more reliable than our PRECISION built M-16. which was fraught with problems on the battlefield. One spec of sand, or a little dampness and it became a useless weapon. Jamming was another problem….. forward assist was retrofitted to relieve the jamming problem in the heat of battle. A lot of our troops died because of our UNRELIABLE M-16.

  61. ALSO………..
    ……………a female nose picking child executive at CBS got her A$$ CANNED for her SICK, TWISTED remarks on TWITTER relating to the mass murder last night. She said “PEOPLE WHO ATTEND COUNTRY MUSIC SHOWS ARE GUN TOTERS”………..SHE WENT ON TO SAY SHE HAD NO SYMPATHY FOR THE VICTIMS. At that point she MORE than deserved to be FIRED…………and CBS obliged her. She is no longer a Mzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. IMPORTANT at CBS. Her obvious LIBERAL DEMOCRAT MOUTH GOT HER FIRED. GOOD FOR WHAT AILS HER!

  62. Old salt,
    They are saying AR15 converted to auto. That’s not actually easy to do, much easier for AK as you note correctly. Either way, 500 yards is beyond effective range for accuracy on full auto for both weapons, but firing into a crowd it’s hard to miss.

    My question is why a pilot, who owns two planes, didn’t just load them with gasoline, with jello mix, and crash it into the crowd? Did he think he was getting away by using guns? Did he have an escape plan? Does anybody wonder how a chronic gambler, supposedly out of work, got all that money? Anybody wondering why the media says he may have worked for the government “but they can neither confirm, or deny”. Believe me, I would deny it if he wasn’t employed by the government.

    I have little faith in the FBI or the justice department, the last administration with Holder, Comey, Mueller, and Loretta Lynch, that we will get the real story. My heart goes out to the Americans and their families, my prayers are with them. The people need the facts and truth, so I will wait, but I still say something smells bad with this.


  63. Pete………
    ………..some folks who are SOCIOPATHS get a feeling of CONTROL of people when they are using a weapon against defenseless people. It is a little like the reaction that many PYROMANIACS get as they stand and watch the fire which they set burn peoples homes ,and cause the deaths of others. Some of the pyromaniacs have a sexual ejaculation, when they watch the fire. Such people are sometimes released from prison as being no longer a danger to others. That only lasts until they are able to put their hands on some matches. In California they are right back at it soon after they are let out. They are actually criminal psychopaths. I believe that Paddock might have been such a person. He took the cowards way out.

  64. police running towards Mandalay Bay…

  65. fhl………..
    …………first responders face potential instant death. Such people are to be praised. They are in my heart along with the victims, and my heart cries for them. This is how I feel at this very bad moment in my life. Some folks take an “ohhhhhhh welllllllll” attitude………..I guess that is for them, but as a human being you can’t help choking up. While we try to keep weapons out of the hands of criminal psychopaths, our way of life almost guarantees that such people will fall through the cracks.
    Until a few months ago I was an owner of a SEMI AUTOMATIC version of an AK 47. I had owned it since the 1970s, and it complied with all of the existing laws. It was a 7.62x 39 weapon. In the last few years I have begun to re think a lot of my early beliefs. I traded it for a 12 gauge slide action shotgun with a three inch chamber, and made to use Remington EXPRESS (high brass) loads. I keep it hidden for quick access. I intend to use 00 buckshot in this weapon since I have it for defense against home invasion………..and I will use it in defense of my wife and myself in a heartbeat. Again I own it for DEFENSIVE purposes, NOT OFFENSIVE action. There is a big difference that many people have not made themselves aware of. In Indiana we may use a defensive weapon if we are invaded by armed individuals…….and perceive our lives to be in danger. When I am outdoors I open carry a model 29 S&W in which I use a .44 special round. I have owned this weapon since the 1960s and am proficient in it’s use, and I do know when and where it’s use is justified. Many of my friends are either sheriff’s reserve or active policemen.

  66. fhl…………
    …………..the “TAKE ME” video SUMS IT UP BEAUTIFULLY!

  67. CW,

    Yes, an Oswald moment here, too. Patsy.

    Something just doesn’t smell right about this and a friend and colleague (former State Police) doubts very much that the account of the events of Sunday night are what really happened.

    As is the case with many other tragic events, we may never know the truth…

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