Obama Illinois bar application fraud, Obama lied about drug use other names and tickets, Andy Martin complaint letter to IL Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission

Obama Illinois bar application fraud, Obama lied about drug use other names and tickets, Andy Martin complaint letter to IL Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission

“Why did Barack Obama surrender his IL law license?”…Citizen Wells
“They can’t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.”…Andy Martin

“Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light.”…George Washington 

Citizen Wells articles about fraud committed by Obama on his Illinois Bar Application have been getting a lot of attention lately. I am reprinting what I consider to be the more damning one. Andy Martin, whether you agree with him or not, was in the forefront of questioning Barack Obama prior to 2008. Martin has a legal background and below you will see his complaint against Obama from March 13, 2007  filed with the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission. You will also find an email exchange between me and Andy Martin.

From Citizen Wells September 29, 2009.

There is much controversy regarding Barack Obama being eligible to be president. What we know is that Obama has not produced an actual birth certificate, his father was a British citizen, Obama is not a natural born citizen, Obama has kept hidden almost all official documents related to his past. One of the records Obama was not completely able to hide was his IL bar application. Here is data from Obama’s bar application that was saved in 2008.


The Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission
An agency of the Illinois Supreme Court

Rules of the Board of Admissions and Committee on Character and Fitness
“Rule 6.4. The revelation or discovery of any of the following should be treated as cause for further detailed inquiry before the Committee decides whether the law student registrant or applicant possesses the requisite character and fitness to practice law: (a) unlawful conduct; (b) academic misconduct; (c) making false statements, including omissions;

(d) misconduct in employment; (e) acts involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation; (f) abuse of legal process; (g) neglect of financial responsibilities; (h) neglect of professional obligations; (i) violation of an order of a court; (j) evidence of conduct indicating instability or impaired judgment; (k) denial of admission to the bar in another jurisdiction on character and fitness grounds; (l) disciplinary action by a lawyer disciplinary agency or other professional disciplinary agency of any jurisdiction; (m) acts constituting the unauthorized practice of law; (n) failure to comply with the continuing duty of full disclosure to the Board and the Committee subsequent to the date of registration or application.”

Barack Obama fraudulently applied to the Illinois Bar.

  • Obama had 17 unpaid parking tickets from his days at Harvard.
  • Obama omitted his aliases of Barry Soetoro and Barry Obama.
  • Obama admitted to drug use when he was younger and there is strong reason to believe he was still using drugs.

Read the complete IL bar rules:


From the Somerville News, March 7, 2007.

“Before Barack Obama was a United States senator and a presidential hopeful, he was a Harvard University law student living in Somerville who parked in bus stops and accumulated hundreds of dollars in parking tickets. And for nearly two decades those parking tickets went unpaid, until a representative of Obama’s settled all his outstanding debts with Cambridge’s Traffic, Parking and Transportation Department Jan. 26.

Obama attended Harvard Law School from 1988 to 1991. During his time at Harvard, Obama lived at 365 Broadway in Somerville, according to his parking tickets. Records from the Cambridge Traffic, Parking and Transportation office show that between Oct. 5, 1988 and Jan. 12, 1990 Obama was cited for 17 traffic violations, sometimes committing two in the same day. The abuses included parking in a resident permit area, parking in a bus stop and failing to pay the meter.

Twelve of Obama’s 17 tickets were given to him on Massachusetts Avenue.

In one eight day stretch in 1988, Obama was cited seven times for parking violations and was fined $45. Thirteen of the 17 violations occurred within one month in 1988.

Obama’s disobedience of the rules of the road earned him $140 in fines from the City of Cambridge. The tickets went unpaid for over 17 years and $260 in late fees were added to the tab. On Jan. 26, the fines and late fees were paid in full. The final tally for Obama’s parking breaches was $400, according to Cambridge Traffic, Parking and Transportation.

Obama spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said the presidential candidate’s parking violations were not relevant.”

Read more:


“not relevant”??

Apparently they were relevent to the IL bar and running for president.

Andy Martin filed a formal complaint with the Illinois Board of Admissions, Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission and Illinois Supreme Court on March 13, 2007.

“March 13, 2007

Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar
625 S. College Street
Springfield, IL 62704
via fax (217) 522-3728
with copies to:

Attorney Registration and
Disciplinary Commission
Suite 1100
130 E. Randolph Street
Chicago, IL 60601
via fax (312) 565-1806

Illinois Supreme Court
Supreme Court Building
Springfield, IL 62706

Re: Barack Hussein Obama (see attached)

Dear Board, Commission and Clerk’s Office:

I am addressing the following complaint to all three of your offices because
I am not sure which of you has jurisdiction to review the matters submitted

Please deem this letter a formal complaint and request for investigation
submitted to all three of your offices, although I understand that only one
office will likely have authority to proceed with an actual investigation.

1. Background facts

a. Bar admission of Barack Hussein Obama
Mr. Obama was admitted to the Illinois Bar on December 17, 1991 (see
attached ARDC page). He is currently inactive.

b. IBAB requirements
The IBAB requires that bar admission applicants disclose whether they have
outstanding parking tickets (see attached excerpt from current application).
Obviously, in so far as the admission of Mr. Obama is concerned, the form of
the 1991 IBAB application would be controlling.

c. Outstanding parking tickets of Obama
Mr. Obama recently paid outstanding parking tickets that were unpaid at the
time of his admission to the bar (see attached news stories).

2. Legal issues
If in 1991 Mr. Obama signed an application to IBAB and denied that he owed
outstanding parking tickets, he falsified his application and gained
admission to the bar by fraud.

3. Request for relief/investigation/action
I would respectfully submit that Mr. Obama’s 1991 application should be
scrutinized to determine whether he falsified his answers and whether he
gained admission to the bar on the basis of fraudulent representations.
If the investigating authority determines that Mr. Obama’s answers were
deceptive, I believe an appropriate sanction should be imposed. It obviously
should not be a major sanction but a public reprimand or other appropriate
sanction should be imposed to protect the integrity of the admissions

Respectfully submitted,

Here is an email exchange from 2008 between Citizen Wells and Andy Martin.

From: Citizen Wells
To: Andy Martin

Sun, Sep 21, 2008 7:37 PM

What was the outcome of your March 13, 2007 complaint to the Illinois Supreme Court
regarding Obama’s application?

From: Andy Martin
To: Citizen Wells

Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him.

From: Citizen Wells
To: Andy Martin

Sep 21, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Thanks for the rapid response.
However, is there not a penalty for supplying false information?

From: Andy Martin
To: Citizen Wells

Sep 21, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can’t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.


95 responses to “Obama Illinois bar application fraud, Obama lied about drug use other names and tickets, Andy Martin complaint letter to IL Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission

  1. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    CW – From your post –

    “Why did Barack Obama surrender his IL law license?”…Citizen Wells
    “They can’t punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred.”…Andy Martin

    The culture of litigation produces the fear of litigation – which causes people to hire lawyers for defensive purposes, which causes a greater demand for for lawyers, which produces more lawyers who produce more lawsuits, which cause more fear of lawsuits, which causes a greater demand for lawyers, which produces more lawyers, who produce more lawsuits – etc, etc,etc

    I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what I said was not what I meant.

    “NOW IS THE TIME TO KILL ALL THE LAWYERS” – William Shakespeare

  2. Why is it when Obama takes his shirt off in Hawaii, the media swoons, but when Romney goes boogy boarding in California, it means he is too rich and out of touch according to CNN? My family goes boogy boarding at the beach and I can guarantee you, it does not mean we are rich when we do it.

  3. 25
    RMinNC | April 9, 2012 at 6:08 pm |

    Thanks saskamare for the compliment….

    I hope you cleaned up my spelling and small errors before you posted it on Facebook….I usually check my work before I post on CW, but this one, I just wrote and researched, posted and let it fly…….sometimes, I do my best work that way.

    By the way, there is another article you will be interested in at the following website: Colonel6′s blog

    The name of the article is: KGB OPERATION BARACK OBAMA

    Very interesting and very informative. A must read. Along the same lines as what I wrote of.
    RMinNC | April 9, 2012 at 6:14 pm |

    My dear friend Cabbyaz,

    You posted the following:
    cabbyaz | April 9, 2012 at 3:25 pm |

    It seems that you have done a good job PUTTING THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER. The remaining BIG question is, “What is it EXACTLY that has zipped the lips of all of Congress – even including the Tea Party ones elected in 2010? I have heard of several reasons, but somehow none really holds up completely


    Cabby, this is the piece of the puzzle that has not fallen in place yet…but Sheriff Joe and hundreds of thousands of dedicated citizens are working overtime on this….but the truth will prevail and the puzzle will be completed.

  4. RMinNC,
    Thanks for lifting my spirits re. Sheriff Joe’s investigation into what has sealed the mouths of Congress, etc. What would we do without this courageous lawman and those working with him?

  5. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    The last piece to the puzzle –

    A Theory on why we have been on this 4 year eligibility question.

    A – The Republicans were questionable on Obama’s NBC.

    B – The Democrats were sure that McCain did not meet the legal qualifications for NBC because he was born off the Navy Base.

    C – Both parties decided to pass Senate Resolution (SR 511) making McCain legal NBC.

    D – They secretly agreed not to question either candidate’s qualifications after that.

    “Another fine mess you have gotten us into, Stanley” – And I don’t mean “Stanley” of Laurel & Hardy!

  6. Mr. Bill….

    By their silence ( both dems and rino’s) ………they are GUILTY as charged.

  7. Begala, whom I hate, is saying the ticket is probably going to be Romney/Portman. I guess I would support them, but this is such a boring ticket, I couldn’t get excited about it. I probably wouldn’t donate money or work for this ticket if Portman is the Veep choice. It is better than Obama, but I wish we could do better than Portman.


  8. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    RMinNC – I think I just heard that Cong. Darrell Issa will be on Hannity 2nite discussing the GSA scandal. WOW and meanwhile no one is talking about the biggest scandal in America’s History. Their guilt is is on all their faces and Consciousnesses(Sp.?).

  9. I personally believe Obama is a “natural born citizen.” He was born in Hawaii and both his parents were US citizens. He is concealing his true identity as the son of Malcolm X who became Malik Shabazz when he converted to Islam. Obama’s original name may have been Bari Shabazz, which may be reflected on his original birth certiricate. He then became Barry Soetoro after his mom married his step-father. When did he become Barack Obama? That is the question.

    The CIA was recruiting Muslims during the Cold War. They were trying to find common ground with Muslims to fight the Communists. That may be when Bari Shabazz became Barack Obama. The CIA created a new identity for him so he could work as an agent. To do this they took all his personal records out of circulation and classified them.

    There is a growing amount of circumstantial evidence supporting this idea. The more people look at the false father, Barack Obama Sr., and Kenya, the further they are led away from the truth.

    The problem is, like his true father, Barack Obama alias Bari Shabazz, is Muslim and pro-Marxist. This makes him a Shiite in theory if not fact. Manning Marable, who, before he died in April 2011, wrote a biography of Malcolm X, said Malcolm, who had become a Sunni, was inspired by Hussein, the founder of Shia Islam. Malcolm seemed to believe he would die in a similar fashion as Hussein.

    So Shiite Iran was the first to honor Malcolm X with a postage stamp. It is also Shia Islam that justifies taqiyya, pretending to be of another faith for the greater glory of Islam. Each year Obama wishes Iran Happy Noruwz (New Year) in Persian. When he was elected, Iranians in Tehran danced in the streets calling him “brother.” His chief advisor over the years has been Valerie Jarrett, an African American born and spending her formative years in Iran. She is featured at one Iranian website as “Iranian of the Day.”

    He is backed by foreign overseas money and everything he has done in foreign policy in the Middle East has been to favor Iran, whether it be keeping hands off Syria (ruled by Shiites) or the overthrow of Sunni leaders like Mubarak and Gadaffi. Iran has now co-opted support of the Muslim Brotherhood as it did Hamas. The Iranian regime continues to develop nuclear weapons. I’m not trying to write a book here, so I’d better stop.

  10. Tina | April 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Hey Tina,

    Just read the link to the article you posted. Interesting.

    Poster Christopher over there is misinformed; hope I set him straight. People seem to be very confused with ‘citizen’ vs. ‘Natural Born Citizen;’ this is a huge part of the problem!

    I don’t know Portman; guess we’ll just have to wait and see. I’m thinking that the choice for VP may be someone more obscure than the usual suspects. Time will tell

  11. “Is Putative President Barack Hussein Obama II Really Bari Shabazz, Fugitive from Justice For 21 Years Following An Auto Accident in Honolulu County, Hawaii on March 12, 1982?”


  12. Very interesting, Dean.

  13. truthbetold11

    He looks like a x. Walks like a x talks like a x, angry like a x must be xs son

  14. Applying for admission to the Illinois bar would require an application to be filled out, would it not? I would think they would want to know where you went to law school, and possibly what pre-law studies one took, and what degrees were earned.

    Where is all of this info, needed to make the decision whether or not to admit an applicant to the bar?

  15. I know at this point it is still hard for most to fathom. The CIA created a monster and doesn’t know how to own up. In fact, has the agency even figured it out yet? Also, the agency has become rogue in some ways. It is an independent agency under the Executive Branch, but separate from the Department of Defense. It should be under the Department of Defense. Otherwise it can morph into something very dangerous to free institutions, like the Gestapo. I believe it already has to some point under Obama. We were taking about mysterious deaths the other day. The CIA has committed assassinations in the past. Once you do away with due process, you’ve entered onto the slippery slope to tyranny.

    So, our Representatives and Senators and the Supreme Court have been told, I believe, by the CIA to leave the matter of Obama’s qualifications alone–that he is a natural born citizen and the rest is classified in the interest of national security. So eveyone in a position to do something, to include the Media, have backed off this issue. The problem is, it allows Obama then to fly in under the radar.

    If you want to know more about the CIA’s recruitment of Muslims during the Cold War, read Ian Johnson’s A MOSQUE IN MUNICH.

    Here’s another thing: If Obama is responsible for Bin-Laden’s death–if he wasn’t already dead or if it wasn’t the act of a local commander acting on his own without the White House knowing about it–it might be Obama wanted him dead because Bin-Laden maybe knew Obama’s true identity. When Obama was elected, Bin-Laden through his 2nd in command, called Obama a “House Negro.” That is a direct allusion to a speech made by Malcolm X. Obama was in Pakistan the same time Bin-Laden was when we were smuggling arms to him to support the Afghan rebels fighting the Soviets. If Obama was working for the CIA at that time, he may have even met Bin-Laden in person. So, by using the Malcolm X quote, was Bin-Laden in essence saying, “I know who you are”? If so, would it not be a form of blackmail? Obama would then move heaven and earth to get rid of Bin-Laden. He has no problem getting rid of Sunni rivals, as Mubarak and Gadaffi found out. And Bin-Laden was a Sunni.

    I know this sounds like a spy novel. It sounds crazy. But sometimes isn’t the truth stranger than fiction? Does anyone else have a viable explanation that would hold water as to how Congress and the Courts and the mainstream Conservative Media have all been silenced? Good patriotic Americans silenced! Only on the Net can we explore this, like here at Citizen Wells, American Thinker, World Net Daily, Atlas Shrugs, ATLAH, etc. The CIA is behind the silencing and the people being silent, Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity, and all the others in Congress and the Courts– all believe they are doing their patriotic duty as good citizens because of the CIA. They are obeying the CIA in the interest of national security. So Obama flies beneath the radar screen of checks and balances that our founders thought was so important.

  16. One more thing: we were talking about mysterious deaths the other day, to include the members of Seal Team 6. How about Obama’s grandmother? She dies one day before he is elected? She was sequestered up until that point. She did not appear in public and the press was denied access.

    Did she really die? Or was she further sequestered and a lie that she was dead sent out to remove suspicion? Yes, she was getting up there in age (85) but if in good enough health, more years would be in store. They said she died of cancer, but the memorial service was not held until December 23, 2008 and she was supposedly cremated. ( A worse suspicion, someone decided a peaceful euthansia was in order . . ??? ) How convenient that an eye witness to who Obama really is, is removed from the scene one day before the election!

  17. Last thing for tonight from me: I don’t like the “Ain’t it awful” game. If we just dwell on the problem, we become part of the problem. We want to become part of the solution. What is needed? We need Obama to be removed from office ASAP.

    He needs to be impeached and removed from office. How do we go about calling for his impeachment? Perhaps the crime of fraud because of the forged birth certificate is sufficient to start with. I am going to give this some serious thought.

    There are a host of other things like the Illinois bar application that CW is bringing up here, but maybe the birth certificate gets to the heart of the matter. We want ID!!! We want ID at the voting booth and we want ID for the person running for office. That means we want Obama’s ID and we want it now. And since the certificate he produced is fake ID, he should step down or be impeached. Maybe it is as simple as that.

  18. truthbetold11

    Bari shabazz. The media knows the truth but the lie is so great they cant touch it. When they do they will make obama the fall guy and come off smelling like roses

  19. Dean and Truthbetold,
    I don’t know the truth about Obama, because everything is sealed. I strongly suspect that Obama is connected to the CIA. I also suspect that he is a ‘monster’ of their creation. Further, I suspect that Zbigniew Brzezinski has been involved directly with Obama for years. I really don’t care if Obama was born Bari Shabazz, a product of two US citizens, except that he would be hiding his true identity. I also agree that the media is so deep in the lie that exposure of that lie would place themselves in danger. The will continue to cover for him to prevent accountability to the American public.


  20. The CIA and X stories make sense, but what possible reason would there be for the CIA to keep Barry’s cover now so that everyone is silenced? He has been outed.

  21. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    The question is NOT “who works for the CIA”, but “WHO DOESN’T WORK FOR THE CIA???”

  22. There have to be some patriotic ex-CIA personnel out there that know Obama’s history. The CIA can’t kill all of us. . .

  23. “Obama IL Bar Application Fraud …Obama Lied About Drug Use, Other Names and Tickets


  24. citizenwells

    Good morning Zach, et al.

  25. “Michelle Obama Uses Bogus Social Security Numbers!”
    Posted by Bridgette

    “How Many Social Security Numbers Can One Family Have?”


  26. This interview may ruffle a few feathers. What’s important to remember is that is a question of religious liberty, freedom to contract in accordance with one’s principles and not an issue of availability or access to contraception/abortion.

    Vatican Cardinal: If Catholic employers provide contraceptive coverage they cooperate in sin

    by Jenn Giroux

    WASHINGTON, April 10, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The upcoming episode of Catholic Action Insight hosted by Thomas McKenna to air on EWTN on Wednesday, April 11 at 2:30pm and April 13 at 9:00pm EST will surely ignite discussion among Catholics on the impending mandate which is an attack on religious liberty. In this interview, Cardinal Raymond Burke speaks out for the first time in a public interview on matters of faith, religious liberty, and culpability in relation to this threatened mandate for employers.
    “We are very blessed to be granted this interview with Cardinal Raymond Burke who explains the Catholic position on the right to religious liberty, the moral conflict for Catholic employers who provide contraceptive services to employees, and a comprehensive explanation and perspective on the role of the Church in this time of governmental interference with the constitutional right to ‘freedom of religion’”, said Thomas McKenna, President of Catholic Action for Faith and Family. Thomas and his film crew recently returned from the Vatican where the interview was conducted.

    There are many liberal Catholics and Obama supporters who are trying to divide and confuse the faithful on the issues surrounding this attack on religious liberty and the impending mandatory requirement for employers to provide insurance plans which provide free contraception, abortion-inducing drugs, and sterilization. Still others that oppose the mandate are advocating that the issue of contraception should be separated from the discussion of religious liberty all together. The reality is that these issues are quite inseparable as it relates to the practice of Catholicism and the moral burden that is placed upon the conscience of employers who provide contraceptive services. Only those who understand the grave moral evil of contraception and abortion understand that the Catholic Church will never compromise on these issues because to do so would lead to eternal ramifications for those involved.
    Because Catholics have so many questions about all of this, President Obama’s first-of-its-kind Health and Human Services mandate has ushered in a period of catechesis and education for Catholics who now seek to truly understand what is at stake here. They are ready to participate in resisting the mandate however in standing up with Church leaders they seek more definitive clarity to understand their own duties as Catholics.
    Below are a few excerpts from this ‘must see’ interview to air on EWTN Wednesday, April 11 at 2:30pm and Friday, April 13 at 9:00pm EST. Cardinal Burke stands in solidarity with U. S. Bishops and the USCCB in his defense and advocacy for our authentic, unchanging Church dogma as well as highlighting the critical role that the Bishops, Archbishops, and Cardinals must play as shepherds to their flock…

  27. Part of a comment by “Anonymous” at ORYR:


    “I phoned michael savage show last week and wanted to talk about the media blackout and sheriff arpaio’s investigation. screener hung up.

    i called back and asked why he hung up, and using a very demeaning vocal quality he said, “I SAID, WE ARE NOT GOING THERE!!” AND SLAMMED DOWN AGAIN!

    i called Mark Levin show, the UBER CONSTITUTIONALIST FOUNDER OF LANDMARK LEGAL FOUNDATION, WHICH SUBMITTED AN AMICUS BRIEF ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFFS IN THE SCOTUS OBAMACARE HEARING on Thursday and asked the screener why mark invalidates obama every night but never vets his constitutional qualifications and i would like to talk about his fraudulent MANUFACTURED selective service card?


  28. Dean M. | April 9, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    So, our Representatives and Senators and the Supreme Court have been told, I believe, by the CIA to leave the matter of Obama’s
    qualifications alone–that he is a natural born citizen and the rest is classified in the interest of national security. So eveyone in a position to do something, to include the Media, have backed off this issue. The problem is, it allows Obama then to fly in under the radar.
    As always, I appreciate your input, Dean M. It seems that if “national security” were the reason for the silence initially, now in light of subsequent events re. O’s behavior – fraud, and a host of other impeachable offenses – AND the clamor of a multitude of citizens that suspect O’s eligibility – that this “reason” no longer holds water. IMHO, this well could have been the reason to start with which closed mouths, but it is a very weak reason to continue the silence. As time passes it is more and more evident that other factors are perpetuating the lock-down. Just my thoughts.

  29. All of our reasoning and all the known facts point to Obama being a made up man of no real history. I believe that. What is hard for me to believe, knowing the inability of human beings to keep their mouths shut when they know a secret/info others don’t, is that someone,anyone who knows the truth hasn’t come forward in some way to put an end to this charade of a President. The amount of people we are speculating about who know the truth is staggering. I just don’t believe they can all be silent for this long and facing another 4years of this destruction of our country. Just doesn’t make logical sense to me. I want the truth now. Someone stand up and stop this assault on my country before it’s too late. Are they trying to settle the issue being satisfied in taking back just the Congress thereby circumventing the Obama problem? Bad move as we seen his use of EO and his czars. He must be voted out or impeached, imo.

  30. From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=34374

    Responding To A Supporter Carol
    Posted on | April 9, 2012 |

    Submitted on 2012/04/09 at 9:45am

    “Couldn’t Sheriff Arpaio call a local grand jury to investigate the situation for Maricopa County, regardless of what forgery upper levels want to participate in? Isn’t this exactly what the citizen grand juries were formed for, when elected officials become the problem? A local grand jury could take it into court, work with the sheriff. They could have a trial and also share their information with every county sheriff across the country, so as many counties as wanted, could ban Obama from the ballot, and both he and anybody found to have participated in the forgery could be arrested by the sheriff if they enter that county. Isn’t that the way it works. The Supreme Court is a last resort, and people do not have to wait and be victimized by their own elected officials. I hope there are a lot of sheriffs who come on board and county by county, the DNC crime ring will be painted into a corner.”

    Response from Orly to reader Carol.

    “We tried citizen grand juries: simply bringing citizens together and holding hearings, however the District Attorneys, US attorneys and judges were not willing to consider any findings by the citizen grand juries.

    There are official grand juries.

    There are 3 types of them:

    a. county grand jury. They get the case for review from the District Attorney

    b. state grand jury. They get the case from the office of the Attorney General of the state

    c. federal grand jury. They get the case from the US attorney

    There are some states, where citizens can submit their complaints directly to the grand jury. There are instances of “runaway grand juries” who went against the DA. I do not know if in AZ citizens can submit the complaint directly to the grand jury. I do not know a rule, where a sheriff can submit a report directly to the grand jury. As far as I know, he has to go through the authorities, who of course can be a part of the corrupt establishment. As far as I know, the sheriff can submit his report to the District Attorney and the District attorney will forward to the grand jury.

    I believe he can also submit to the Attorney General, US attorney, Secretary of State, Governor, FBI and Congress and they need to run with it.

    That is why I am beating the drums of war and saying that he needs to submit the report before it is too late.

    In terms of arrest, he can arrest a person who is committing forgery and using forged documents. I am sure Sheriff Arpaio arrested numerous individuals, who came from Mexico and are using forged documents.

    Believe it or not, but Obama’s case is not any different from cases of illegal aliens from Mexico, who are using forged IDs. The only difference is that corrupt party bosses on both sides of the isle simply made a deal to look the other way.

    You need to urge Arpaio to act before it is too late”

    2 Responses to “Responding to a supporter Carol”

    April 9th, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

    It is my understanding that Grand Juries do not hold trials but have investigative duties. They can conduct an all out investigation of anyone for anything; issue subpenas demanding anyone testify and to gather evidence. The evidence is kept confidential until it is presented as an indictment and as evidence at trial by a judge and possible jury.

    So, this may be an excellent way to gather more info and put criminals and accomplices under oath, making them risk perjury.”

    “orly taitz
    April 9th, 2012 @ 12:55 pm

    You are right. The problem is that the grand juries are often manipulated by the DAs and US attorneys to go in the “proper” direction, if you know what I mean.

    I am wondering, if someone reading this blog is serving now on a grand jury?”

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  31. The arrogance of the buttinskies in their own little private worlds of unreality is truly amazing:


    UN Human Rights Chief Calls For Trayvon Investigation

    Of the Trayvon Martin case, Pillay said, “I will be awaiting an investigation and prosecution and trial and of course reparations for the victims concerned.”

    Everything is answered by simply following the money. The Obama’s can do nothing on their own unless they are sponsored or bailed out by the money controllers of the world. The UN is no different…they have their own $$ handlers.

  32. From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=34342#comments




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    April 8th, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

    Dr. Taitz, Can you get the judiciary committee to go to the Supreme Court and have the justices (excluding Kagan and Sotomayor) DEMAND that HI prove or disprove the usurper?

    This is a constitutional crisis. Maybe you can enlist the help of Hillsdale College – they tout their curriculum as TOTAL CONSTITUTION. They would love to help. In all honesty Mossad could probably get the proof easier than anyone in law enforcement. Maybe we should ask them to do it for the U.S.A.”

    “orly taitz
    April 8th, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

    Judiciary committee does not need to go to the Supreme Court. They can subpoena records directly. They have subpoena power. Contact each and every member and demand that they issue the subpoena[s]. Congress can also issue warrants for search and seizure and even arrest[s].”

  33. (in reference to my post at 10:30 am)
    Another thing, Congress would not have to rely on the eligibility issue if it really wanted to act! Goodness knows, there have been lists and lists of
    impeachable offenses over the last couple of years that have nothing to do directly with O’s origins – sealed records, etc.

    So, what is the reason for Congress not acting at all? Period? If it is still preservation of “national security”, that is a complete farce. In fact, a number of the offenses could be said to be linked to national security.

    What about the following which could qualify as high crimes and misdemeanors and reasons for impeachment?

    Obama’s refusal to secure the borders and his lawsuit against the State of AZ for trying to prevent mass illegal immigration.
    Also, is the president showing contempt for the Constitution, the separation of powers and the rule of law by ordering an “administrative amnesty” for millions of illegal aliens through the implementation of the John Morton memo of June 2011?

    Has the president demonstrated contempt for the Constitution and violated the separation of powers by issuing numerous executive orders and agency rules that have no basis in statute and often contradict congressional votes against such actions?

    Did the president violate his oath of office when he instructed the Department of Justice not to defend the Defense of Marriage Act in federal courts? Does the Constitution permit the person designated by Article II, Section 1, as holding the “executive power” of government to decide unilaterally to not enforce a law he disagrees with?

    What about the open mic “conversation” with Medeved and O’s willingness to help Putin after O is reelected? One congressman said “We should be very afraid.”

    Then WHY doesn’t Congress act on the above, which are just a few of impeachable offenses? No, there has to be more to the wall of silence than just protecting O for “national security” reasons.

  34. This is a challenging, sobering article. Some may not agree, but exposure doesn’t hurt.

    Can Pro-American Right Unite to Defeat Anti-American Left?


  35. Tina; the media has used this trick for many years….when they want to demonize someone they paint them as “rich”, they do this all the time even in non-political stories….Like when the woman ran over her husband with her “Mercedes”, they don’t mention that the car was bought used and is over 10 years old…They often use the time-line math, where someones donates $1 million dollars to a particular candidate, they neglect to mention that it was over a 10 year period and by multiple donors…People have to read very carefully these day’s and observe not just what the media say’s but what they leave out.

  36. http://www.infowars.com/infowars-source-confirms-zimmerman-will-not-be-arrested-for-murder/

    I believe even an average attorney should be able to get an acquittal. I would be surprised if any charges are filed. If charges are filed, they probably have more to do with politics rather than the evidence.

  37. cjzak
    I have wondered the same thing as this situation has progressed. It has become apparent however, that if such a person were to have come forward, that first they would need a secure venue to report to. One that they could absolutely trust. In consideration of the foregoing, and if it were myself coming forward, prior to the Arpaio investigation, there has been no such avenue available. If it were the case that someone has come forward, I doubt seriously that Arpaio would allow that info to circulate or even be alluded to.
    This is all serious stuff, and even though it sounds like a ‘made for TV’ movie, it is quite apparent that real people are really dying in conjunction with this operation whatever it is. At this point, it is anybody’s guess, but my gut tells me that communism, as it has elsewhere in the world, will be the method by which this agenda will be advanced.
    It is my belief also that Arpaio has not been silenced because his opnet would immediately lock on to wherever the threat came from and whoever is behind this could not risk it.
    Either Arpaio is following a red herring, and whoever is behind this is not really concerned, or he is, in reality, a part of the plot and a diversion to cause us to focus on something else. I say this based upon the facts that jbjd has put forth in recent days concerning the fact that the appearance of the BC on the web is merely a ruse.

  38. >>>cjzak | April 10, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    All of our reasoning and all the known facts point to Obama being a made up man of no real history. I believe that. What is hard for me to believe, knowing the inability of human beings to keep their mouths shut when they know a secret/info others don’t, is that someone,anyone who knows the truth hasn’t come forward in some way to put an end to this charade of a President. The amount of people we are speculating about who know the truth is staggering. I just don’t believe they can all be silent for this long and facing another 4years of this destruction of our country. Just doesn’t make logical sense to me. I want the truth now. Someone stand up and stop this assault on my country before it’s too late. Are they trying to settle the issue being satisfied in taking back just the Congress thereby circumventing the Obama problem? Bad move as we seen his use of EO and his czars. He must be voted out or impeached, imo.<<<<

    People have spoken up, and some have gone silent. Still others have investigated and had deaths. The people whom made the decision to sell Obama on the American public likely know everything, but don't want us to know. The people whom perpetuated and protect him still, likely were suckered into Obama for Agenda forwarding purposes, and now are trapped. I said it almost 4 years ago, the democratic party went all in on a pair of 5's hoping to bluff, and expecting that no one could call their bluff. Thus far it has been a good play, as their has been no success via standard channels (courts) for the average american citizen. The facade will only last so long, and the truth will start to leak through. The left wing nuts (my term for liberal democrats) are just fine with a dictator, just ask them on the street or in person. Obama, as long as he supports free stuff, green power, drugs, illegal immigration, federal money squandering on pet projects, and gay marriages, he's a fine dictator for them.

    While they brag that the left wing nuts are more intelligent, it is their greed that will eventually trap them. When you have a dictator, king, ect. they will remain in power if possible and the best way to do that is to eventually go with the majority—which just happen to be conservative. In short, the left is sowing the seeds for a conservative dictator whom will likely take all of the previous liberal gains and heave them out the door. In liberal speak, "what goes around comes around". Obama is just plain evil. I have not seen any signs of compassion, truth, or justice from this adminstration. The Republicans, talking heads, former CIA ect aren't going to panic the public or expose themselves to ridicule. Expect no help from these areas. Many conservatives only wish to retake control of government to payoff thier friends, much like Obama did with the stimulus, not to fix the broken government.


  39. It is obvious that many people still don’t realise that the entire Federal Court system,and in all probability the State level Superior Courts systems are now under the control of the WH. All of the judges KNOW ALL TOO WELL WHAT WILL HAPPEN if they allow any sort of litigation involving Soetoro to gain headway in their court. In conclusion folks we need to find ways to regain the control of our court systems,first and go from there. A grand jury at any level is virtually useless,except if Congress should decide to convene a grand jury. I really don’t see Congress or the DOJ acting in any other way except complete loyalty to the ILLEGAL POTUS. In short they are all loyal members of the GANG,simply because they have had clear demonstrations of what happens to ANYONE who dares to double cross the BOSS. When he/she does he/she immediately has a contract put out on them. I tend to think that Breitbart was the latest HIT by the Soetoro GOON SQUAD. There is an ALTERNATIVE, but I won’t say it…….rather I will allow you to figure out the alternative. Somehow I get the feeling that everybody will realise what the only option left is. If you need help then I suggest you contact the head of the Honduras Army. They know what the answer is. My hat is off to the Honduras military. They did know UP FROM DOWN,and made the necessary corrections. All in about an hour.

  40. You can research the various existing Federal Laws all you want, and you can determine what laws have been breached, but………until you can go forward with prosecution in a Federal Court,or a Superior Court you must first find a SYMPATHETIC judge who will act in complete defiance of Soetoro,and AGREE to allow a hearing,and subsequent DISCOVERY. When that occurs WE THE PEOPLE WILL WIN hands down and Soetoro will be in JAIL, and possibly prosecuted for a MULTITUDE of Fedaral OFFENSES. Potentially he could face a DEATH sentence. But I am sure that if MMMSSS. PELOSI, REID,SCHUMMER,DURBIN,LEAHY,and others have it their way he will only be censured.

  41. I am quite doubtful if there is anyone in the Federal government, or ANY state government who has the GOLF BALLS to even think about the removal (IMPEACHMENT) of Soetoro. We have a MASS of WHINING,CRINGING,BLITHERING elected NINCOMPOOPS,presently holding public office,and apparently not ONE of them will ever act to help with the restoration,of our Federal Courts to the people. I am looking forward to what the same jacka$$es have to say when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.

  42. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    oldsalt79 | April 10, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    |”they are all loyal members of the GANG,simply because they have had clear demonstrations of what happens to ANYONE who dares to double cross the BOSS.”

    REMEMBER – “BOSS” spelled backwards is “Double SOB”!!



    Laura Inghram’s interview with Donald Trump…Do listen.

    “I see so much fraud in this world. This [birth announcement] could have been computer generated not then, but 5 years ago, 8 years ago, or 2 years ago.

    I don’t know why he is getting a free pass. I don’t know what is going on.

    How he got away with Rezko, …people would be in jail if they did what he did. Because if you were involved with Rezko you’d be sitting in a prison right now. [Obama appears to be] teflon.

    He doesn’t have a birth certificate. I don’t think he has a birth certificate.

    I am proud to be a birther..I think the term is demeaning to people.”

    The Laura Ingraham Show – Donald Trump “proud” to be a birther


    “[Obama] is a disaster. He is a total disaster. This is not a man that should be president. This is not a man that is equipped to be president.”

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

  44. I am aware of the threats and the deaths. I still can’t fathom with all the people who supposedly know all about Obama and his sordid creation from a nothing politician, that one judge, one Congressman, one media person etc. isn’t willing to spill the goods and reap the financial rewards of doing so Not to mention being a patriot whose name would be revered for the ages.. Maybe it takes a whole group to stand up to this dismantling of our country, but then why did the Tea Party elected Congress people not band together and get the job done? This should be a priority and it isn’t. I too think we are being led by the nose wherever the shadow people want us to go. It is inexcusable that there is not a large cry from the so-calleded protectors of the Constitution to savethe USA and our way of life. My guesss is there is a lot of money and power dangling in front of them all and the real threats of death as you all say. Somebody has to do it sooner or later or we all will face exactly what Old Salt is trying to get us to imagine for ourselves.

  45. Sorry for the typos. But this stuff just gets me so mad, I type worsre than normal and that’s saying a lot, lol.

  46. Fox News Confirms Rick Santorum Will Suspend His Republican Presidential Campaign


  47. Oblivious to the Obvious


    Is Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate a forgery? Definitely yes, for those of us who have spent a lifetime writing and producing technical documents, and who remember how they were produced in pre-computer days, and who have the technical expertise today to produce them using computers. For us, it’s been an “open secret” that the document image released by the White House on April 27, 2011 is a complete fake.

    Last year, as document experts researched the digital PDF posted at whitehouse.gov and published their findings on the internet, it quickly became clear that the “birth certificate” fails authenticity on at least three levels:

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/oblivious_to_the_obvious.html#ixzz1rfAWPVGk

  48. God Bless Rick Santorum and his family. When everyone was talking about legalizing pot and living your life any way you wanted in the gutter and watching porn all day long, Rick Santorum bravely stood up for family values. He reminded us that the founders intended this country to be a God fearing country and a light to the world. I wish he and his family nothing but the best, and I hope he keeps speaking out against porn and speaking up for personal values and for the Christian and Jewish way of life.

  49. Bessie | April 10, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    Tina; the media has used this trick for many years….when they want to demonize someone they paint them as “rich”, they do this all the time even in non-political stories….Like when the woman ran over her husband with her “Mercedes”, they don’t mention that the car was bought used and is over 10 years old…They often use the time-line math, where someones donates $1 million dollars to a particular candidate, they neglect to mention that it was over a 10 year period and by multiple donors…People have to read very carefully these day’s and observe not just what the media say’s but what they leave out.


    Exactly. I’d rather have a rich president who knows how to make money and get things done than a poor radical president. My father was very poor. He went to college, worked hard and is now upper middle class. I don’t know anyone who is more detailed oriented, more respected in his company or more organized. He gets things done. That’s what we need. But the left hates rich people. They would rather keep people poor and dependent.

  50. Yes, Tina, in real terms the so called conservatives, tea party people as well, opted for another monied elitist without much of a moral conviction….who did not defend the unborn when he had the power.

    But I’m wondering just who will defend us from all of the fraud that is now even being lined up for the next election. Obama won’t win without it and he is very confident so it’s all set that there will be no one with power who will be able to call out and prosecute the thugs. And then when the new IRS enforcers for his brave new health “management” come knocking your own life itself will be as cheap to them as the infants Obama wanted to leave to die alone.

    The heart is gone from this country….the cheapness is everywhere. That smoke of satan has been inhaled and has poisoned most. There are too many willing to commit suicide rather than fight for good over evil. I wonder if most can even tell anymore the difference. Sorry to sound too defeatist, but when those “good” in the positions to do something about things instead contribute to the evil to save their status quo, well, the barriers have been left down.

  51. Another Pravda article………….

    Part 2 of: Barack Obama Foreign Student – American Media Threatened into Silence
    By Dianna C. Cotter
    Obama’s legal humiliation.

    Today there is no American news outlet factually covering the illegal actions of the sitting President of the United States in context. Nor is there one consistently exposing the laws his administration has flagrantly broken, though this corruption now demonstrably permeates every level of the federal system.

    Attorneys General Tom Horne, Arizona; Pam Bondi, Florida; Sam Olens, Georgia; Bill Schuette, Michigan; Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma; Marty Jackley, South Dakota; Alan Wilson, South Carolina; Greg Abbott, Texas; and Ken Cuccinelli of Virginia produced a joint memo on March 5th, 2012 detailing 21 blatant violations of law committed by the Obama administration……….


  52. That fraud is everywhere is absolutely correct, mirrose.

    I praise Rick Santorum and his family and pray for Bella. If I have one concern about the way Rick conducted his campaign it is that he alienated a lot of independent women from the GOP when they were moving towards the GOP. If Romney loses, I think Santorum will be partly responsible. Romney was ahead of Obama before the primaries got started. Romney contributed to this drop in the polls, but Santorum did too. Rick did a lot of damage. However, as I said, I also feel he contributed a lot when he spoke about family values so it is a mixed story with Santorum. I personally like him, but have mixed feelings about this primary and how nasty it was. For me now, while I hope people will keep speaking out against porn and the absolute filth that has invaded American society, I am going to vote for the GOP nominee. We can’t afford Barry for one more minute. I just hope the GOP picks a good person for VP.

  53. If any people receive a tweet from a member of Congress, quickly reply with the following (it fits in tweet)

    Hoping you and other Representatives will ask Holder when he will arrest black panthers threatening George Zimmerman.

  54. Starla | April 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    Thanks for posting this! I had not heard this interview. It will ever be on record (hopefully). I’m sure it is old, but extremely instructive. Please, someone with knowledge, don’t let it dissappear down the memory hole.

  55. cjzak……………..
    In reality all I am trying to do is get people to think PAST THE END OF THEIR NOSES,and use the gourd that God put on top of their body for something more than being a HATRACK. We are in a really serious state,and if SOMEBODY having a BRAIN had better start using it soon………otherwise we will already be past the POINT OF NO RETURN.

  56. Dianna S. Cotter……………..
    Three cheers for you. Keep the information flowing. It must be in front of as many people as possible on a 24/7 basis. Use Alinski in REVERSE. This is a tactic which will BLOW UP THE MINDS of the PERPETRATORS. Soon they themselves won’t be able to discern UP from DOWN. They will not be able to out Alinski the reverse Alinski tactics.

  57. More From The New Black Panthers – You Must Listen To This.

    April 10, 2012

    Patriot host David Webb and Blacklash author Deneen Berelli talk with Sean Hannity about The New Black Panthers radio spouting VERY racially charged statements and also calling for “Blood.” Where is Holder in all of this? Hiding under his desk?


  58. One of our commenters made the statement that people are being LED BY THEIR NOSES. I couldn’t agree more. I see a flagrant “I don’t give a damn” attitude literally everywhere I look, and with nearly everybody that I talk to. Nobody even seems to care about much of anything. Just so long as they can continue to enjoy their little FANTASYLANDS which they have surrounded themselves with. I simply say to them….”Enjoy your little Utopia now, because it is soon going to come to a horrific destruction, and it will happen because YOU ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN”.

  59. The Audacity. we see it. we know it. modus operandi. we see he was a privliged big shot snot back then parking wherever he wanted and wherever he wanted. above it all. when did his grandiose aspirations set in, exactly? is he royalty or something? It wasn’t in the book.

    man, talk about guts. wow. we. see. it. everyday.

    Coup D’Etat, back door, orwellian technicalities pawns blocking facts on every front. Just like they are doing to the perimeter of the Mediterranean. Greece is not muslamic so they (the Islands) will just go under and drown.

    Check out We The People when ya get a chance. Two interesting articles on Board today. Comments are great and informative..

    And, by the way, bring Home our Troops. We need them. What’s the hold-up? Shut down Afghanistan and call it a day.

    Happy Spring. Peaceful Easter Season. Get a grip. America Rise.
    And Shine.

  60. Thanks, Observer.

    Bring Home Our Troops. We’re being threatened by domestic enemies.
    We need to knock down of couple pawns as the Rooks are well protected.
    They want to come home. We should listen. SOS

    Our lives are on the line and our federal government is not protecting us.
    Dereliction of Duty to harm.

  61. oldsalt79 | April 10, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    … I see a flagrant “I don’t give a damn” attitude literally everywhere I look, and with nearly everybody that I talk to. Nobody even seems to care about much of anything…

    I see the same, but not everywhere. Many I talk to care very much! Don’t lose heart Oldsalt. Courage!

  62. Rebecca Smith

    I guess that’s why he and Zera gave up their lawyer status voluntarily upon his deciding to run for president. THEY KNEW they were both going to be investigated for unethical behavior, the fake SS#s, shady real estate deals; rather than mar their record, they just gave up their Bar Registration.
    Unethical scumbags. They don’t even deserve to step FOOT into the white house they are so smarmy, filthy, lying low class

  63. BTW, Oldsalt, have a little faith in fly over country. You know, us bitter clingers out here? There’s more of us than you realize.

  64. On March 18, I began my series on President Obama’s long form birth certificate fraud. WHY PRESIDENT OBAMA WAITED until APRIL 27, 2011 to RELEASE a FACSIMILE of his LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE
    Reading that series, you will find links to older articles in which I correctly identify the COLB as just another political campaign ad. Now, in 2012, one week after the first article in the series was posted on “jbjd,” that is; Donald Trump says, the President has never produced a real birth certificate. Suddenly, he is a hero. But in 2011, when the President’s campaign released that image; where was Donald Trump?

  65. I have been thinking about getting a voo-doo doll that looks like someone we know and stick a needle in his throat to SHUT HIM UP!!! I am sick of his lies! 😉
    : roll :

  66. jbid…… You got that right! Trump is a moron! I would not trust him any further then I could spit at him…and that is not very far at all!

    God Bless Bella….

  67. jbjd,
    I speak for myself only, but from this and past comments you have made, my estimation is that you have a very exagerated view of your own importance. Maybe you don’t fully realize how foolish you come across.

  68. 10-4 SueQ

  69. Donald Trump has the ace of spades up his sleeve. Poker needs to be played out. I appreciate his input last April 2011. And thank him for even showing us his cute Birth Certifcate. He owes me nothing, I’ll wait. I am grateful. And, I think a choice to support Sheriff Joe is making a choice to support America. They owe us nothing. Support Sheriff Joe Arizona.

  70. Watching O’Reilly. Laura Ingraham is substituting. The Martin’s lawyer is being interviewed saying “We want an arrest of Zimmerman, not a conviction, just an arrest”. Why? Why an arrest but no conviction? I read this article yesterday, and its all about money. This is unbeleivable! Wish Laura was familiar with this Florida law before the interview.

  71. We can only guess why this is being done

    Effort to abolish local sheriffs a stealth federal power grab?

    April 10, 2012

    A news report has been quietly making its way around the alternative media, under the radar screen, concerning a Delaware legal decision to strip county sheriffs of their arrest powers in the state.

    The mainstream media has not reported the story, but the son of Vice President Joe Biden, who serves as Attorney General for the state of Delaware, has issued a mandate to county commissioners informing them that sheriffs in the state’s three counties no longer have arrest powers.

    When the information reached this reporter late yesterday evening, further investigation revealed that there is a nationwide effort to strip local sheriffs of most of their enumerated powers that are mandated in the state constitutions of the various states. Such a move would have the net effect of abolishing local sheriffs departments and strengthening the power of federal law enforcement agencies.

    And this is not the first time such an effort has been launched.

    In the 1970s an initiative was launched by county supervisors in California to eliminate the office of sheriff, but one supervisor instead was able to persuade two state legislators to get a question placed on the California ballot as to whether or not the office of the sheriff should be an elected office. The measure passed overwhelmingly, and the mandate for elected sheriffs was placed in the state constitution.

    And in 1935 President Franklin D. Roosevelt was set to eliminate all of the 48 states in order to implement nine regional governments that would operate as extensions of the federal government. All local law enforcement would be eliminated. The plan failed, but the fact that it was attempted points to an ever present, insidious stealth plan on the part of some within the federal government to take away the right of the people and the states to elect their own local law enforcement and to vastly strengthen the hand of the numerous federal law enforcement agencies that currently operate throughout America.

  72. jacqlynsmith

    This needs to go VIRAL……we must TAKE DOWN THE STATUS QUO…..WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

  73. From the article…

    Ask yourself why would anyone want an arrest without a conviction?

    “We are not asking that he be convicted; We are asking that he be arrested”

    Why is that so important?

    The answer can be found in the statutes of Florida law surrounding Justifiable Use Of Force (Statute 776) which outlines in Statute 776.032
    Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force:

    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013,
    or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.
    943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

    (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

    Note that in section 2 of the immunity statute 776.032 a person is “immune” from criminal or CIVIL action if they are not arrested. The arrest itself can be interpreted as “Probable Cause” the force, or action taken, was unlawful.
    Remember the key distinction between guilt or innocence in Criminal vs. Civil trials. In criminal trials the burden of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. In civil trials the burden of proof is “with a preponderance of the existing evidence”; this is where probable cause comes into play. For the purpose of “monetary justice” it only takes an arrest; a subsequent conviction is not necessary.

  74. truthbetold11

    If they arrest zimmer. They wil send out a lynch mob hes better in the open

  75. At “The Obama Hustle”:

    “Cold Case Posse: Could Malcom X Be Barack Obama’s Real Father ?”

    “Now it comes to light through a knowledgable and impeckable source for The Obama Hustle that the Cold Case Posse led by Mike Zullo has difinitve proof that Malcom X is Barack Obama’s natural father?

    The Obama Hustle source said, ” Zullo told me they had evidence to that fact”.”


  76. A Crazy Old Coot

    observer | April 10, 2012 at 9:16 pm |


    Obama’s attorney made a motion to dismiss the Objection in its entirety. She argued that it was not relevant to being placed on the ballot whether Mr. Obama is a “natural born Citizen,” where he was born, and whether he was born to U.S. citizen parents. She said that no law in New Jersey obligated him to produce any such evidence in order to get on the primary ballot. We argued that Mr. Obama under the Constitution has to be a “natural born Citizen.” We argued that under New Jersey law (the state constitution, statutes, and case law), Mr. Obama must show that he is qualified for the office he wishes to occupy and that includes showing that he is a “natural born Citizen,” which includes presenting evidence of who he is, where he was born, and that he was born to two U.S. citizen parents. We argued that the Secretary of State has a constitutional obligation not to place any ineligible candidates on the election ballot. Judge Masin denied Obama’s motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial.


    His lawyers argue that his eligibility doesn’t matter to get on the ballot…. Why don’t they just show that he is eligible and get it over with, or is it because they know that he is not eligible???

  77. “New Jersey Judge Admits Obama Hasn’t Provided Proof of Birthplace Then Rules Obama Born in Hawaii”


  78. Sueq…………………..
    Hi…….I think that you might not have followed what I was trying to get across. Far be it for me to lose heart in my cause. I hasten to point out that in saying this the way I did I wanted to show what sort of rationale got our country into the mess that it is now in right up to our ears. The rationale is exactly what I said. Nobody gives a damn,and as long as they have their drugs and their porn they are completely happy. These are also the people who think that the people surrounding them should provide them with a free living because they see themselves as being so all good and very important people. In reality their tiny minds have been washed clean of the ability to think logically,or use reason by their respective academies of higher learning.

  79. ………..For many years I have referred to such people as FREELOADERS. Are you ready to help pay for the healthcare of 30,000,000 freeloaders,or people who refuse to work for their living.

  80. A great article by Santorum. I hope he keeps speaking out on this.


  81. citizenwells

    8.7 earthquake

    Date/Time Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 08:38:38 UTC
    Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 02:38:38 PM at epicenter
    Location 2.348°N, 93.073°E
    Depth 33 km (20.5 miles)
    434 km (269 miles) SW of Banda Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia
    550 km (341 miles) SW of Lhokseumawe, Sumatra, Indonesia
    963 km (598 miles) W of KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia
    1797 km (1116 miles) WNW of JAKARTA, Java, Indonesia


    A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him,

    “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

    The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

    She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.

    “I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”

    “Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”

    The man smiled and responded, “You must be an Obama-Democrat.”

    “I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”

    “Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are — or where you are going You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem.
    You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it’s my fault.”

    P R I C E L E S S !

  83. citizenwells | April 11, 2012 at 7:06 am

    Morning, CW,

    Banda Aceh; the same location where the big one hit a few years ago.

    Tsunami warning has been cancelled.

    It’s rare that the aftershock was so strong….

  84. A Crazy Old Coot

    I remember going through a 9.2 earthquake in 1964 and no one in other countries were concerned enough to help. Why should I worry about a earthquake in another country?? There are going to be earthquakes and storms until Jesus returns and I’m not worrying.

  85. Pingback: Obama Illinois bar application fraud, Obama lied about drug use … | Obama Lies

  86. Raeann Klouse

    The courts won’t do a thing about Obama look @ NJ, judge threw out evidence that he isn’t qualified to be President because he’s not a Natural Born citizen. He
    made fools out of the plaintiffs because they kept saying they got all their info off the internet. Obama’s attorney even admitted the BC posted on the internet was a forgery, and the judge could have cared less.

  87. concernedcitizen

    The parking tickets may be reason to be alarmed but what about his cocaine use that he has admitted? Possession is a felony and past use of illegal drugs is a standard question. a much more direct impeachment shoul Obama has acted alone, well beyond the scope and authority of his office and at odds with the national interests of the United States and the Constitution which he took an oath to uphold and defend.d be followed by his unlawful use of force in Libyia 1.Congress did not declare war.2.Congress was not consulted and did not give specific statutory authorization.
    3.The U.S. was not attacked in any way by Libya, which presented no threat to the U.S. or U.S. assets.
    Obama has acted alone, well beyond the scope and authority of his office and at odds with the national interests of the United States and the Constitution which he took an oath to uphold and defend.

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