NC lawsuit challenges marriage licenses, North Carolina marriage laws require state license, Jeff Thigpen, Reverends Keeney, Peeples, Koenig

NC lawsuit challenges marriage licenses, North Carolina marriage laws require state license, Jeff Thigpen, Reverends Keeney, Peeples, Koenig

The spirit of freedom is still alive in North Carolina.

From the Greensboro News Record, December 14, 2011.

“Suit challenges marriage licenses”

“Guilford County Register of Deeds Jeff Thigpen and 10 other people filed a lawsuit last week that challenges a requirement that marrying couples in North Carolina obtain a state-issued license.

The complaint, filed in Guilford County Civil Superior Court on Dec. 8, names state Attorney General Roy Cooper as the defendant. The plaintiffs include three Greensboro ministers and seven heterosexual and homosexual residents from Greensboro, Winston-Salem and Mocksville.

They argue in the complaint that state general statutes violate the U.S. Constitution and the principle of separation of church and state by requiring marrying couples to seek marriage licenses, by requiring religious leaders to fill out and sign them, and by prohibiting religious leaders from solemnizing the marriage of same-sex couples.

The complaint comes about five months before North Carolinians vote on a proposed amendment to the state constitution that bans same-sex marriage. The referendum will occur during the May Republican primary.

The complaint reads, “In order (to) adequately and fully protect the personal liberty and religious freedom of citizens of North Carolina and the United States, there must be a de-coupling and disentanglement of the state from the personal and religious institution of marriage. The institution of marriage should be solely in the dominion of citizens and their religious and secular organizations, except that the state should be permitted to carry out prohibitions of marriage for infancy, insanity, bigamy or polygamy, and incest, and marriage as a result of fraud, duress, joke or mistake; and the state should be permitted to adjudicate rights relating to support, child custody, and property in connection with marriages and their dissolution.””

From the print edition.

“The suit is not challenging the proposed constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage, said Guilford County Register of Deeds Jeff Thigpen and others in the lawsuit. Voters will decide that issue in next year’s primary.”

“”It’s not part of anybody else’s agenda,” said Norman Smith, a Greensboro attorney. “It’s part of the agenda of people in this suit who don’t like the state getting into people’s religious and personal affairs.”

“Thigpen said he joined the suit because of his concern about state -imposed obstacles that some people must overcome to get married. He acknowledged his involvement could risk his re-election in November.”

“Why would I want to do this?” asked Thigpen, whose office handles marriage licenses. “These issues have come to me, and I have the obligation to respond to them in a way that is reflective of what’s going on and be a leader in dealing with it.”

“What happens in that sanctuary is between me, the couple, those who are witnessing , and God, “Peeples said. “It has always struck me as very strange, if not contradictory, that I have to sign a legal document and act as an agent of the state. …What we are saying is let’s make a clean separation between those two acts.”

68 responses to “NC lawsuit challenges marriage licenses, North Carolina marriage laws require state license, Jeff Thigpen, Reverends Keeney, Peeples, Koenig

  1. Obama says if Congress is not willing to pass legislation he wants, he will do it himself in order to win another term.

    We have heard this several times during Obama’s term. He need not follow the Constitution because no one will hold him to it.

    If that’s the case what do we need Congress for? Do away with the Legislative Branch and save some money for more social welfare programs.

  2. It appears that we are living in a “one man rule” in America.

    With Obama publicly making the statement yesterday that if Congress doesn’t do things as he wishes, then he is prepared to “go around Congress, or ignore them all together”.

    The last time I checked our Constitution, we had THREE branches of government :

    The EXECUTIVE who executes the LAWS.

    The LEGISLATIVE who makes the LAWS.

    And the JUDICIAL who enforces the LAWS.

    Somewhere along the way during this USURPER’s term as pResident we have lost or misplaced two important branches of our government:


    The problem is, WE HAVE NO LAW NOW. We may as well be a South American “Banana Republic” for all the good our Constitution is doing us.

    This one man rule we are under now is “a clear case of ABOVE THE BOARD, AND IN YOUR FACE treason”!


    “Reporters are off the hook in the effort to secure a new trial for convicted power broker William Cellini”

    This is a direct quote from the Sun Times article….reporters trying to secure a new trail for Cellini??? Now, why would they want to do that???

    Zagel ruled there would be no benefit in compelling either paper’s reporters to appear in court or turn over notes.

    “There’s no reason to require them to appear,” Zagel said, adding that any additional detail Webb might find in Sweeney’s notebook about the interview, which she already wrote about, would be “trivial.”

  4. DOJ Memo: Solicitor General Kagan ‘Substantially Participated’ in Obamacare-Related Case

  5. The Examiner article is perceptive, Tina, and I tend to feel that it is food for thought.

  6. breaking: House passes ndaa 283-136

    From Justin Amash’s facebook approx 6:20 CDT 14Dec2011:

    The House passed the NDAA conference report, which permits the indefinite detention of Americans without charge or trial, on a vote of 283-136. I voted no. The roll call is attached.

    Our efforts increased the number of Republican “no” votes from 6 to 43. Unfortunately, the number of Democratic “no” votes stayed about the same as the May roll call.

    They had to pull every trick in the book to beat us. Be proud of your efforts. We are making a difference. The bill still must go to the Senate and the President.

    Roll call here:

  7. Philo-Publius | December 14, 2011 at 3:28 pm |

    Obama says if Congress is not willing to pass legislation he wants, he will do it himself in order to win another term.

    We have heard this several times during Obama’s term. He need not follow the Constitution because no one will hold him to it.

    If that’s the case what do we need Congress for? Do away with the Legislative Branch and save some money for more social welfare programs.
    Might as well get rid of the judicial branch too, they don’t do anything to uphold the Constitution anyway.

  8. TONIGHT 9PM EST- Live Stream: Four NH Reps to Discuss Ron Paul Tonight

    There is a great townhall going on now in Derry, NH with Senators Sanborn and White.

    At 9pm EST tonight, streaming live online and on Manchester TV 23 four reps will join together to discuss their support for Dr. Ron Paul.

    Myself along with Rep. Andrew Manuse, Rep. Mark Warden, and host Rep. Steve Vaillancourt will spend the bulk of the hour discussing why we support Ron Paul for President.

    Tune in at or at

    Please share this feed. There will be an archive posted after that I will update.

    For liberty now!

    Rep. Cam DeJong
    NH State Representative
    Manchester Ward 2

  9. New JustiaGate Article at American Thinker.
    Posted in Uncategorized on December 14, 2011 by naturalborncitizen

    The fearless American Thinker blog has just published a new article on JustiaGate by Dianna Cotter and myself: JustiaGate: ‘Natural Born’ Supreme Court Citations Disappear.

    You may comment at AT.

  10. Ron Paul Wins Miami Straw Poll!
    * Ron Paul 2012

    I’m here at the Miami, Florida straw poll now.

    Just announced Ron Paul has won with 67% of the Vote!

    Ron Paul 2012!

  11. A Video From:


    “MICHAEL MOORE, ON CNN: Well, “The Washington post” three weeks ago had this investigation and they said that President Obama has now raised more money from Wall Street and the banks for this election cycle than all — than all eight Republicans combined. I don’t want to say that, because if that’s the truth, that Wall Street already has their man and his name is Barack Obama, then we’ve got a much bigger problem.

    But I think President Obama, if he were here in the room, the question I would ask him is why are they your number one contributors? Why are you taking this money?

    MORGAN: It’s fascinating to find out why they’re doing it. I’ll ask him.

    MOORE: What are they expecting in return in the second term from you? Right now, here’s what we do know. Goldman Sachs was your number one contributor the 2008 election. And we have not seen anyone from Goldman Sachs go to jail. We have not seen the regulations, Glass/Steagall, put back on to Wall Street now three years after the crash.

    Why hasn’t that happened? President Obama, we the people need you to take them by the throat and say, damn it, this is the United States of America; you don’t steal from the working people of this country. And this is the way it’s going to be.”

  12. Arizona Sheriff Investigates Obama Birth Certificate

    Read more: Sheriff Joe’s posse delivers promised Obama surprise

    * * * *

    Obama Doesn’t Know His Own Birth Date!


    Obama just can’t seem to keep track of birthdays, especially his own.

  13. The Real Terrorists Occupy Washington D.C. – Alex Jones Friday Edition 1/2

    Listen carefully from 8:20 to the end!! Yow!
    Alex’s outstanding coverage & outstanding commentary on our current events!!

    Alex, Thank you for reporting the truth in the Holy Sight of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

    * * * *

    The Real Terrorists Occupy Washington D.C. – Alex Jones Friday Edition 2/2

    Alex’s outstanding coverage & outstanding commentary on our current events!!

    * * * *

    FOX News Bites off More Than She Can Chew: Alex Jones with Judge Napolitano!

    * * * *


    * * * *


    Guest: Gary Kah
    November 14-20, 2011

    “Gary Kah has spent a lifetime trying to understand and expose the Anti-Christ’s economic, religious and political system that is now being secretly implemented! Gary has intelligence information that is so HOT that the secular press doesn’t dare report it!

    Want to learn more? Listen to my 5 days of of radio interviews with Gary Kah here.”


    * * * *


    Guest: Dennis Jernigan
    December 12-18, 2011

    “Dennis Jerningan was a practicing homosexual. Not only was he supernaturally set free, but today he is married and has nine children. The miraculous explodes whenever he leads worship! He says, “NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD!”

    VIDEO Here:

    * * * *

    Guest: Daniel Kolenda
    December 12-16, 2011 — Show 1778

    Daniel Kolenda has seen millions of people healed and he says it’s so easy you can do it too! Get ready as he unlocks the secrets of healing in the Glory

    More Here:

    * * * *


    Judge Andrew Napolitano
    Dec 15, 2011


    “Can Congress make legal something that is inherently wrong, and can Congress take a freedom that is a part of our humanity and make its exercise criminal?

    If there were no First Amendment, would we still have the freedom of speech? The answer, like many in the law, depends on what values underlie the legal system. If the government is the source of our rights, then without the First Amendment’s guarantees of free speech, any government could legally punish you for saying words and expressing thoughts it hated or feared; and it could even silence you before you spoke.

    On the other hand, if our rights come from our humanity and our humanity is a gift from God, then we would still enjoy the freedom of speech, whether it is insulated from government interference by the First Amendment or not. The wording of the First Amendment itself gives us a peek at what its authors thought. They wrote: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech.” It doesn’t say that Congress shall grant freedom of speech; rather, it prohibits Congress from interfering with it. […].”

    Read The Full Article Here:

    * * * *


    Guy Benson
    Political Editor,
    December 15, 2011


    “I wonder if our intrepid, justice-seekin’ Attorney General launch an all-out investigation into this vote-suppressin’ union? Nah, he’s preoccupied with carrying out the people’s business. You know, covering up a lethal gun-running program, suing states for trying to enforce federal laws that his own posse won’t, forcing local communities to adopt Democrat-friendly party identification mechanisms, dismissing already-won voter intimidation cases, and plotting to transfer alien jihadists into US civilian courts for trial. Priorities.”

    Read The Full Article Here:

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    Katie Pavlich
    News Editor, Townhall

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  16. The Real Terrorists Occupy Washington D.C. – Alex Jones Friday Edition 2/2

    Alex’s outstanding coverage & outstanding commentary on our current events!!

  17. Stamped cover page of amended motion miraculously found by the court after Nov 30 hearing, 15 days after it was received by the court and signed by clerk Kanzai

  18. Albert Hendershot v. Alabama Democratic Party: Motion for Preliminary Injunction: Obama Ballot Access Lawsuit Filed

  19. Attorney/Georgia State Representative Mark Hatfield Retained By Georgia Electors To Handle Obama Ballot Challenge Case

  20. The Presidency and the Constitution
    Posted by Bridgette

    As you read the words of Rep. Mike Pense, (R -IN) consider the differences in the words you read from a true patriot as compared to the man who was elected and sits in the White House. Obama’s words have never resonated with our citizens. His words will never be repeated like those of admired and respected statesmen long quoted in history; for his words like him, are foreign and empty. Read more.

  21. Okay. Iowa seems to be coming to the realization that we need to win this election. Romney and Newt are leading now in the polls so I apologize to anyone from Iowa whom I thought would lead the GOP to the cliff. Ron Paul may still win in Iowa, but I don’t think he can win the general election. However, we’re investing a lot of hope in Iowa. I hope they get it right.

    On another note, I was touched by an interview Ann Romney gave. She has MS. She said she was worried she couldn’t keep up with her chores and cooking. Mitt Romney said that he could eat toast and cereal for the rest of his life as he comforted his wife. Those are types of stories family values voters want to hear.

  22. Another touching story on Romney. Apparently when at Bain, an employee’s daughter went missing in NYC. Romney closed down the office and had everyone looking for this daughter in NY. Luckily they found her. Romney has not been connecting with family values voters, even though, he doesn’t smoke or drink. Maybe if they hear these stories they will.

    I personally have not completely decided yet on who I am going to support. I like Romney, Newt, Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum. I would have gone with Perry if he had been a better debater, but I think he’s too weak in that area now.

  23. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    Live today on c-span3. Watch TOTAL CORRUPTION in action today. If you don’t have c-span3 on your TV, you can catch the hearings on your computer at “C-Span”

    1:00 pm ET
    Approx. 4 hr.
    House Committee Financial Services | Oversight and Investigations
    LIVE MF Global Bankruptcy Investigation
    The House Committee Financial Services Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee held a hearing on the bankruptcy of financial firm MF Global.

    Panel One:
    Jon Corzine, former Chief Executive Officer, MF Global
    Bradley Abelow, Chief Operating Officer, MF Global
    Panel Two:
    Daniel M. Berkovitz, General Counsel, Commodity Futures Trading Commission
    Robert Cook, Director, Division of Trading and Markets, U.S. Securities Exchange Commission
    Terry Duffy, Executive Chairman, CME Group
    Richard Ketchum, President, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Financial Industry Regulatory Authority
    James Kobak, Jr., Chief Counsel to Mr. James Giddens, Bankruptcy Trustee for MF Global Inc.
    Thomas C. Baxter, Jr., General Counsel, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

    1p-5p HVC-210 CVC

    PS – – This has the makings of one of the largest scandals perpetrated by a Democrat Mafia. How do I know this?? MSNBC does not mention this at all!!!

    MSNBC is the rectal thermometer for Potomac Fever.

  24. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)


    “Mr. Bill(ms. helga) | December 15, 2011 at 11:14 am |”

  25. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)


  26. “It’s true:Romney once drove to Canada with the family dog on the roof of the car”

    “”Before beginning the drive, Mitt Romney put Seamus, the family’s hulking Irish setter, in a dog carrier and attached it to the station wagon’s roof rack,” the Globe wrote of Romney, then a 36-year-old management consultant with Boston-based Bain and Company.

    Romney constructed a special windshield for the carrier, “to make the ride more comfortable for the dog.” The contraption apparently wasn’t much of a success, however, as Seamus soon began to suffer gastric issues from his windy perch atop the car.

    Romney’s oldest boy, Tagg, noticed the first sign of trouble, according to the Globe piece.

    ”Dad!” he yelled. ”Gross!” A brown liquid was dripping down the back window of the station wagon.

    Romney calmly dealt with the problem amid his boys’ howls of disgust, pulling into a service station to hose down Seamus and the car. He put the dog back in the crate and continued the drive to Ontario.”

  27. Very funny, Gordo. Here’s one more Ron Paul link and then I’ll get off my soap box until tonight’s debate.


    Ex-CIA Agent Gives The Answer to S. 1867 and the Tyranny!

    * * * *

    Steve Pieczenik: Shatter The CIA into a Thousand Pieces Like JFK Planned 2/2

    Listen esp from 8:20 to the end. Dr. Pieczenik, thank you for reporting the truth in the Holy Sight of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

  29. Mr. Bill.
    I am guessing you misspelled your email addr

  30. In retaliation for investigating Obama: Feds say Arpaio violated civil rights

    Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial

    These means they have enough time to round up conservative and Tea Party terrorists as defined by DHS before the 2012 election and put them in detention camps so they cannot vote.

  31. Tina | December 15, 2011 at 12:01 pm |

    Ha Ha !

    Maybe Ron Paul should change his campaign slogan to “Stand Up For America”

  32. Philo-Publius | December 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm |

    In retaliation for investigating Obama: Feds say Arpaio violated civil rights

    Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial

    These means they have enough time to round up conservative and Tea Party terrorists as defined by DHS before the 2012 election and put them in detention camps so they cannot vote.

    I could use a vacation in a Government run camp, maybe even lose a few pounds.

    How do you get on the list?

  33. Looks like the feds are coming after Arpaio – suddenly – with scathing report of “civil rights violations”. I would hope that he uses the “discovery” on O’s fraud for ammo against their tactics to silence him. Let em know that if anything happens to him his “team” will immediately call a press conference to let the public know just why this report and attack is coming against him and present all their evidence discovered so far.

  34. Should be at the 4:20 mark to end

    Steve Pieczenik: Shatter The CIA into a Thousand Pieces Like JFK Planned 2/2

    Listen esp from 4:20 to the end. Dr. Pieczenik, thank you for reporting the truth in the Holy Sight of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

  35. They’ll round up the Tea Party terrorists and leave the port blocking, flag dumping Occupiers alone.

    Probably even promote and recruit them for Zero’s stormtroopers.

  36. Anyone else see this?

    If not for a crooked attorney general, Zero’s commie chum, Van Jones, could be in prison by now.

  37. Regarding the Obama administration’s retaliation against Sheriff Joe Arapio for his posse’s investigation of Obama, please notice that none of the “mainstream” media news reports mention anything about this. Wouldn’t you think this would be relevant? Apparently no one in the mainstream media thinks it is, but of course they have always been shills for Obama. I hope Sheriff Joe holds a press conference making it crystal clear what’s actually behind these so-called “findings.”

  38. For many months the DOJ has been harassing Sheriff Joe Arpaio along these lines, but I guess this is supposed to be the official announcement. Timing is everything these days. He has handled these charges before and he will be able to handle them again, imho.

  39. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    CW – I spent 6 hours watching the MF Global hearings on C-Span3 today. It was before the House Financial Services Sub Committee on Oversight and Investigations. Your Democrat Congressman Brad Miller (13th District) was only one of a few Democrats who participated and asked questions.
    I am sure it will be replayed on one of the c-span stations. This will be the nuclear bomb for the Democrats. This has world wide repercussions. MF Global is involved with many countries. Money left the USA and went to UK.

  40. Mr. Bill(ms. helga)

    PS – Obama wanted Corzine to be Secretary of the Treasury and Bill Clinton was being paid $50,000 per month for consulting fees??

  41. Mr. Bill.
    I have met Brad Miller.
    He seems like a decent guy but that party affiliation is powerful.

  42. Cabby – AZ | December 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm |

    Has the Right Gone Mad?
    by Michael Reagan

    Great article, Cabby.

  43. Tina, Thanks – I think there is something in that article that we can all benefit from.

  44. Worst debate ever, Fox “news readers” are horrible.

    Dumb leading questions.

    A Trump debate would have been better.

  45. Barack Has a Record
    By William L. Gensert

    Every Obama speech is fraught with lies and half-truths. He relies on his belief in the ignorance of his audience, and that Americans are too lazy and soft to recognize his dishonesty. When your record is abysmal, you can’t tell the truth.

    Obama, hasn’t a clue on how to fix the economy. Instead, without ideas, he copied Teddy Roosevelt’s 100-year-old speech in Osawatomie. With Barack Obama, it’s always yesterday’s answers to today’s problems…and this is the man they told us was a genius.

    Read more:

  46. Please Mr. Wells,

    Can you post these videos that are OUTSTANDING VIDEOS
    that are SPEAKING THE 100% TRUTH & THE 100% HISTORICAL FACTS to the American citizens?


    Indefinite Detention FRAUD by SB 1867 (NDAA)

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    SHERIFF RICHARD MACK – Alex Jones Infowars Nightly News 2/2 2011-09-07


    Ilana Mercer
    Return To Reason
    WorldNetDaiy Exclusive Commentary
    © 2011
    December 15, 2011


    “In its contempt for women, India, our democratic ally, has advanced little since the time it practiced Sati, “the custom of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband.”

    Read More Here:

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  48. I thought the debate was excellent. I still see the top three as Mitt, Newt and Huntsman.They have the overall experience, knowledge and gravitas. Romney was very specific on his job experience. To me the top issues are jobs, the economy, lower taxes, spending, competence in managing and foreign policy. Huntsman and Romney may be stronger managers than Newt. If we win, we have to govern. I also like Santorum and Bachmann, and they may be strong conservatives, but they are not as well rounded in their overall experience on all of these issues. Going with them is more risky, but Bachmann would be a very good VP choice. Perry also did well, but he still is not as strong in his debates as the others. We don’t have a perfect candidate, but I think Mitt, Newt or Huntsman would give OB a run for his money. We have a chance to win with one of them. That is just my humble opinion. I look forward to seeing what happens when the voting starts.

  49. Tonight’s debate gave Ron Paul more chance to explain his policy towards national defense, and the more I hear the more frightening his worldview is.

    I am not talking about whether we should be going to war, but rather about his views re. Iran and his likening Iran to the Soviet Union during the Cold War. He is so far off base on that comparison, because the Soviets were held in check by the “mutually assured destruction” principle. The nut cases that rule Iran actually welcome a conflagration, because they radically believe that this would usher in their “messiah”. They seek a holocaust. Just listen to Ahmadinejad.

    Also, he compared the U.S. to Switzerland, etc., saying that the Islamic terrorists don’t attack the latter. He doesn’t understand that radical Islam would destroy us and not a country like Switzerland, because we are considered the Big Enchilada, or as they call us, “The Big Satan.” We stand in the way of the Islamic goal, which is to rule the world. Ron Paul doesn’t get it!

    Furthermore, perhaps the chief role of the federal government is to provide for the safety and security of its citizens from all enemies – foreign and domestic. We are to be assured, “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The first of those is LIFE. With a weak, appeasing attitude towards our avowed enemies, how can that protection be adequately provided?

    I hope tonight’s debate vetted Ron Paul more openly for all to see, especially Iowans.

  50. If our national security is weak and we are conquered from without or within, jobs won’t matter much. We will value life and safety more than anything.

  51. Yes, Cabby. I totally agree on Ron Paul. He may sound great to some with his talks about liberty all the time, but he is downright scary on foreign policy. I have been reading the debate analysis on other blogs, and he seems to be the big loser tonight. I don’t know why he is allowed in the GOP with these views. I applaud Michelle Bachman for her debate performance tonight especially her attacks on Ron Paul. Beck switched his support from Paul to Bachmann. I am sure he is delighted with this debate from her tonight.

  52. Tina, agreed. Frankly, I’m beginning to feel that he shouldn’t even be in the Republican Party. Does he adhere to its platform? He is a libertarian through and through. Why isn’t he a member of the Libertarian Party? Those are just my opinions.

  53. Yes, Cabby. I agree. He should be in the libertarian party. I think he would lose because they don’t get anywhere on the national stage, so he calls himself a Republican, but it is identity theft, in my opinion. But because he is in these debates, the public thinks the GOP is crazy.

  54. There’s a huge place for libertarians in the Republican party. In addition, the party platform is ever evolving at the national convention that takes place every four years.

  55. Anderson Cooper Promotes WND’s “Where’s The Real Birth Certificate” Flying Billboard

  56. December 16, 2011
    British Police Raid Climategate Blogger’s Home
    Timothy Birdnow

    There is often a price to pay for miracles. Several years back a miracle occured at Climate Audit, the website of Steve McIntyre (the man who debunked Michael Mann’s Hockey Stick graph); a slew of e-mails hacked or leaked from the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia were released via a Russian server, exposing the private plottings of the group now often called The Team to subvert the science of Global Warming, to intimidate editors of journals, to get alarmist papers peer-reviewed and ban papers from those who do not see Global Warming as a crisis. It was damning stuff. The person who posted the link on Climate Audit merely stated “a miracle has occurred”.

    Read more:

  57. Gianni..@ 5:02

    Have you noticed that the media has not one time made fun of us calling Obama…. Berry Soetoro/aka/Bari but has made fun of us over the fake birth certificate? Not one mention of the other names or the illegal Social Security number!


  59. Until we the people begin to live within our means, and return to logic in our financial dealings, we will continue to try to force our employers to give us MORE,MORE,MORE.until our employer can no longer be competitive in the marketplace, and at which point he will either be bankrupt,or will have taken his business overseas to a labor friendly country where for at least the foreseeable future he can still earn a profit. BYE BYE TEAMSTERS, SEIU, UAW, UEW, IAAM ….TEACHERS UNIONS.


  61. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I just watched Paul’s answers on the Iran issue and his exchange with Bachman.

    My question to those who believe that Iran is going to attack Israel is this:

    What “should” we do?

    I think Paul is RIGHT. We have NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING about Iran getting a bomb.

    We DO however have authority IF and WHEN Iran USES a bomb against one of our allies.

    UNTIL that happens, we really can NOT “do” anything.

    I agree with Paul, the others seem to be advocating the PREEMPTIVE attack on a soveriegn nation. One that although we may not like the outcome, has elected it’s leader. We don’t have to agree with who they choose, but we have to honor the will of their people.

    Cabby commented about us being the “big enchilada”.

    My response would be, we need to get off our high horse, and understand that we can NOT solve problems half the way around the world. We can’t even fix the problems WE have.

    I would like for us to get our big fat elitist noses out of everyone else’s problems and concentrate on our OWN issues here at home.

    Iran is NOT a threat to the United States UNTIL it follows through on those threats.

    And when/if THAT happens we need to go in with the full force of our might and make them understand that you do NOT mess with the United States.

    Rhetoric is just that, rhetoric.

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