Rod Blagojevich sentencing, December 6, 2011, Judge James B. Zagel, 10:00 AM, Courtroom 2503 (JBZ), Tapes motion denied, John Wyma Testimony?

Rod Blagojevich sentencing, December 6, 2011, Judge James B. Zagel, 10:00 AM, Courtroom 2503 (JBZ), Tapes motion denied, John Wyma Testimony?

“Why did Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Justice Department wait until December 2008 to arrest Rod Blagojevich?”…Citizen Wells

“I believe I’m more pristine on Rezko than him.”…Rod Blagojevich

“Why has the Blagojevich defense team been denied access to the government wiretaps?”…Citizen Wells

Rod Blagojevich, former governor of Illinois, is scheduled for sentencing next Tuesday, December 6, 2011 in the courtroom of Judge James B Zagel.

Daily Calendar

Tuesday, December 6, 2011  (As of 11/29/11 at 05:47:57 AM 

Honorable James B. Zagel                    Courtroom 2503 (JBZ)

1:08-cr-00888   USA v. Blagojevich                     10:00   Sentencing

http://www.ilnd.uscourts.gov/home/DailyCal/0.htm

Once again the Blagojevich defense team has been denied access to over 150 wiretaps. Of course this means we have been denied access as well.

From the Chicago Tribune November 28, 2011.

“Judge denies Blagojevich request to hear new tapes”

“The federal judge who will sentence Rod Blagojevich had harsh words for the former Illinois governor’s attorneys as he denied a request Monday to play new federal wiretap tapes in court.

Blagojevich was convicted at two separate trials on 18 corruption counts, including allegations he tried to sell or trade President Barack Obama’s vacated U.S. Senate seat. Blagojevich will be sentenced next week, and his lawyers last week submitted a list of 180 secret tape recordings the FBI made of the governor and others.

Parts of some recordings were played during his trials, but Blagojevich has long argued that authorities should “play all the tapes.” He says some of the recordings hold evidence demonstrating his innocence.

But Judge James Zagel said Blagojevich’s attorneys hadn’t said what they specifically wanted to prove and what sections of the tapes they wanted to use, echoing complaints made by federal prosecutors.

“What this motion requests is my blind approval of the use of whatever excerpts it decides are relevant to `lack of ill intent’ and admissible … at sentencing,” Zagel said. “That request is denied.””

“The judge scheduled a Friday hearing on another Blagojevich request related to a government witness, John Wyma. Blagojevich’s attorneys are questioning whether Wyma helped the government “in exchange for a government benefit.” Prosecutors denied that allegation at trial.”

Read more:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-us-blagojevichtrial-,0,1987167.story

From the Chicago SunTimes November 28, 2011.

“Blago’s lawyers want hearing based on new John Wyma information”

“Rod Blagojevich’s lawyers are asking for a special hearing to discuss what they say is new information regarding a key witness at the former governor’s trial.

They are asking U.S. District Judge James Zagel for an evidentiary hearing regarding the testimony of onetime Blagojevich friend and lobbyist John Wyma, arguing they weren’t allowed to properly cross examine him at trial. It was Wyma’s cooperation in 2008 that led to FBI wiretaps against the now-convicted ex-governor.

In a weekend filing, lawyers questioned whether the government properly vetted information against Wyma that was provided by a cooperating Tony Rezko. Rezko, a onetime fund-raiser to Blagojevich convicted on 16 counts of corruption, was sentenced to 10 ½ years last week.

In filings regarding Rezko’s sentencing, Wyma’s cooperation with the government is discussed, including that Rezko told prosecutors that he tried to extract a campaign contribution through Wyma from Provena Health, whom Wyma represented as a lobbyist at the time.

Lawyers question whether bribery was involved when Provena was granted a certificate of need from an Illinois hospital board. Rezko told prosecutors in private sessions that Provena had a dispute with someone on the hospital board and resolved it by paying the board member, according to the Blagojevich defense filing. Prosecutors say the charge was unsubstantiated.

“Blagojevich did not have any knowledge about and was absolutely unaware of the Provena activities of Rezko and Wyma,” the filing says.

It says after Rezko gave the information to prosecutors, Wyma was hit with a subpoena.

“Shortly after Wyma received this grand jury subpoena, he agreed to be, and became, an informant for the government. This allowed the government to obtain a wiretap on Blagojevich’s telephones,” lawyers wrote.

After the taps were secured, Blagojevich’s lawyers said, prosecutors deemed Rezko’s information “not substantiated.”

“If the incriminating evidence against Wyma was not substantiated because it was not investigated, the government’s statement is misleading,” defense lawyers wrote.

Provena officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Blagojevich’s lawyer, Shelly Sorosky, said the new information was based on filings before Rezko’s sentencing, where both sides agree Rezko’s cooperation led the government to Wyma.”

Read more:
http://www.suntimes.com/9114418-417/blagos-lawyers-want-hearing-based-on-new-john-wyma-information.html

108 responses to “Rod Blagojevich sentencing, December 6, 2011, Judge James B. Zagel, 10:00 AM, Courtroom 2503 (JBZ), Tapes motion denied, John Wyma Testimony?

  1. A MUST READ ARTICLE!!

    “THE PERFECT MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE”

    By John S. Torell

    Excerpts:

    “ENTER BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”

    “WHAT IS NEXT?”

    “On the 100th day in office, Barry declared that he is “remaking America” not rebuilding it. While honoring himself at a dinner commemorating his 100 days in office, Barry spoke the following:

    “…I would like to talk about what my administration plans to achieve in the next 100 days. During the second 100 days, we will design, build and open a library dedicated to my first 100 days. I believe that my next 100 days will be so successful, that I will complete them in 72 days – and on the 73rd I will rest…” [10]

    “These are words spoken by a man with a hubris that is more inflated than those of the Emperor Nero, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Kim Jong-Il. Barry must know something that the rest of us in America don’t.

    Joseph Stalin Adolf Hitler Kim Jong Il

    Barry is currently pushing for universal health care in the United States. In a typical Marxist-Socialist fashion Barry has a new tax plan. He wants to eliminate taxes for senior citizens with income of less than $50,000 a year, raise income taxes for people making more than $250,000 per year, raise capital gains and dividend taxes, close corporate tax loopholes, lift the income cap on Social Security taxes, restrict offshore tax havens, and simplify filing of income tax returns by pre-filling wage and bank information already collected by the IRS.

    Karl Marx would have been proud of Barry and his gang for proposing such a remaking of America that will put us on equal footing with the communist nation of China. Not bad for a guy who started as a “community organizer.”

    The environment is not immune to Barry and his gang. He has proposed a cap and trade auction system to restrict carbon emissions and a ten year program of investments in new energy sources to reduce U.S. dependency on foreign oil. Barry has also proposed that all pollution credits must be auctioned, with no grandfathering of credits for oil and gas companies, and the spending of the revenue obtained on energy development and economic costs.”

    WHAT ARE THE COMMUNISTS IN RUSSIA SAYING? [About the USA since the Foreign-Terrorist Daily Serial Career Criminal, 100% Undocumented Illegal Alien, 100% non-USA citizen Obama has been criminally and illegally installed into the USA White House as the Perfect Manchurian Candidate to destroy the USA in a Coup D’Etat War from within the USA without firing a shot….]

    “During the time of the Soviet Union, Pravda was the official daily paper and mouthpiece of the Communist regime. Ironically, its name in Russian means “truth” but everybody in the Soviet Union laughed because there was nothing but lies in the paper. Pravda is still the mouthpiece for the current Russian government, and by looking at what they are saying, we can know the direction Russia is going. On June 2, 2009 CNSNews.com reported the following story from Pravda.
    (CNSNews.com) – A commentary published in the once-official newspaper of the Soviet Union heralded America’s “descent into Marxism” citing the United States’ takeover of General Motors, poor education standards, and the election of Barack Obama as president.

    The opinion piece in Pravda, one of the Soviet-era newspapers still published in Russia, carried the headline, ‘American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper,’ by Stanislav Mishin.

    It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath-taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hopeless sheep, excuse me dear reader, I meant people,” wrote Mishin.

    The article claimed that America’s descent took place in three stages:
    First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in D.C. that directly affects their lives.”

    Secondly, “their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different ‘branches and denominations’ were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega-churches were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the ‘winning’ side of one pseudo-Marxist politician or another.”

    It continued, “Their flocks would reject Christ in hopes of earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.”

    “The final collapse,” said the Pravda article, “has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America’s short history, but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.”

    Elaborating on the Obama administration’s now-dominant control over General Motors, Mishin mentioned the firing of its CEO by the administration and now its “‘bold’ move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies.”

    Russian “Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK’s Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster,” the article said.”

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    Read More Here:
    http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_13/manchurian-candidate.htm

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  2. Good Morning All! It’s important for Blagojevich to ask even if he’s denied it goes on the record when they find out Zagel has been corrupted…Between Wyma’s testimony and Balaonoff’s testimony being contradicted by the President of the United States, you never know…

  3. It doesn’t matter whether it’s Obama’s eligibility, man made global warming, or evolution, the tactics are always the same.

    Take evolution. We’re supposed to overlook the most sacred laws of science being massacred and just “take their word for it”. No matter that the law of causation, the laws of thermodynamics, the laws of probability, even the observable fossil record all contradict their theory, we’re supposed to buy evolution because they did an experiment on a fruitfly or something and a group of scientists all agree and there’s a consensus. Then, if you don’t buy in, they point at you and laugh.

    It’s the same with global warming and obama’s eligibility. It’s always the same methods and tactics. Always.

    Use common sense and see the obvious and don’t be led astray by nonsense.

  4. Good morning Bessie.
    I believe that the Blago defense is positioning for appeal.
    Wyma is connected to the investigation of PLanning Board corruption & that is tied to Obama.

  5. Just as we found out through purloined emails that the “scientists” would rather burn and destroy their so called evidence supporting man made global warming, we would almost assuredly find out, if we could see white house correspondence with the hawaii dept of health, that they would rather burn the evidence in the dept of health files than ever let them see the light of day.

    Always the same tactics.

  6. “IS BARACK OBAMA A KGB AGENT?”

    October 12, 2010

    Excerpt:

    “October 2, 2010 – He managed to fire Rahm Emanuel (I’ll tell you why) and after that Russians humiliated him one more time – in April 28, 2011, he was forced to nominate Panetta to replace Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense. Panetta would end all operations and withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq – that’s another Russian intelligence order. Obama, actually, lost half of his power by giving two key Cabinet positions to Clintons team – that’s how Russians punished their illegal spy for his independence.

    Now he’s a good Russian boy :

    1.He’s destroying America – its called “socialist intervention into the US economy”. A person who wants to spend $1 trillion on health care reform which is not a priority at all in the middle of horrible economic crisis, is either an idiot or an enemy of America with a very well calculated plan to terminate the country. Obama did it – in March 2010 he signed Health Care Reform legislation into law.

    2. He’s into immigration reform which is a socialist intervention into American society – he’ll turn 12 million poor illegal Latinos into US citizens-revolutionaries. In 2012 they’ll get green cards, by 2016 they’ll get citizenship and bring here all their family members (grandparents, parents, brothers, sisters, brides and grooms) – around 50-60 million unemployed poorly educated people. And that will be the death of America, the end of American Constitution and the birth of a totalitarian “Obama – forever ” Communist regime.

    3.Rising unemployment and inflation, budget deficit at every state and city is another Obama’s trick, planned by Russian intelligence – he’s pushing big states like Texas, New York and California to a “boiling point” after which they might take serious steps towards independence – the beginning of America’s death. USSR collapsed the same way – now Russians through Obama want revenge.

    4.While Bill Clinton saved one Russian “mole” John Deutch, Obama saved 10 (ten) Russian illegal spies, arrested by FBI in June, 2010, sending them back to Russia in 2010 without any investigation – severe blow to American national security and priceless gift.”

    Read More Here:
    http://www.henrymakow.com/kgb_operation_barack_obama.html

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  7. A MUST READ ARTICLE!!

    “THE OBAMA ELECTION CHARADE”

    By John S. Torell

    Excerpt:

    “The Jewish group controlling Barack Obama had several Jews working in different roles. The finances were backed by George Soros, a Hungarian born Jew, who has been living in the United States for many years and is known by national governments as a “terror” to national currencies. If you do a research on this multi-billionaire, you will find that a number of nations had their economy crashed, due to his currency speculation. Two nations that have suffered greatly by this man were England and Sweden.

    THE ANTICHRIST

    “The Bible tells us that in the end times before Jesus comes back; there will be a world leader sent by Satan, who will take control of the entire earth. His control will not only come from a strong military force but also by having total control of the global economy so that no one can buy or sell without being registered with his system. (Revelation chapter 13:1-18)

    The Bible calls this the Mark of the Beast. The Bible also tells us that this Antichrist, also known as the Son of Perdition, will be of Jewish descent and a homosexual. (Daniel 11:36-39)

    We also know that this world dictator will be tied to the nation of Israel and that he will rule from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-5)”

    AFTER THE ELECTION

    “To my knowledge there are no strong born again Christians on the Obama team. Instead they are all supporters of abortion and homosexuality. They don’t speak on morality or the fact that the United States was founded on Christian principles.

    Our nation is now in the hands of men and women who have no regard for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; they despise the Son of God and scoff at the mention of the Holy Spirit. They deny that there is a literal Hell, the Bible is the Word of God, and that only through Jesus Christ is there salvation for a human being.

    America is now in the hands of the servants of the Antichrist! If there ever has been a time, now is the time to pray, fast and seek God.”

    IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR AMERICA?

    “God is in control of all things and He has allowed the current leadership to be elected. This is a judgment allowing the wicked to be put in power when God’s people have sinned and refused to repent.
    If you look upon the people of America and the rest of the Western world, there is no doubt that after 1945 we have had the greatest time of prosperity that any generation on this earth has ever seen or experienced.

    How did we use our blessings? We spent them on more and more luxuries and most people wasted their lives.

    God does not look kindly when a nation spends billions on pet food but a pitiful sum for mission work.

    Our women have spent billions of dollars on clothing, cosmetics, nail sets, etc. while the men spent billions of dollars on sports, fancy cars, gambling, prostitutes, pornography, alcohol and drugs.

    God is humbling people in America and in Western Europe but the tragedy is that the unsaved people don’t know this because most pastors won’t speak the truth. Only the people who are born again in Christ can understand this if their pastors preach the truth.

    One thing is for sure; our standard of living is going down and will stay down until God says differently. We have now come to the place that we need to be thankful if we have a job, a place to live and food to eat. God has told us what to do and we would do well to heed this Word from the Lord!

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
    Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.” (2 Chronicles 7:12-15)

    What are you going to do?”

    Read More Here
    http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_12/oec.htm

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  8. Rush Libtard taking the day off from bashing Romney and covering for Herman Cain’s affairs.

  9. My new order of preference in the Republican primaries is as follows.

    1. Rick Santorum
    2. Newt Gingrich
    3. Ron Paul
    4. Mitt Romney.

    Although I will back any of them in the national election.

  10. The Nwo is Upon Us! – Alex Jones Sunday Edition 6/6

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    The Last Sitting President

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    Go To Hell Obama

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  11. of topic .. but has any president ever won the eelctoral College ( real election) without winning their own state ? Romney will not carry Mass… if he could that would make a big difference

  12. Ron Paul 2012! Hannity Defends Ron Paul!

    A Comment Under This Video:

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    PEOPLE NEED TO SWITCH PARTIES 12 WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE PRIMARIES IN MOST STATES.

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    IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED REPUBLICAN YOU CANNOT VOTE IN PRIMARY.

    IF RON PAUL DOES NOT WIN PRIMARY, NO GENERAL ELECTION! REGISTER AS A REPUBLICAN. FIND OUT WHEN YOUR STATE HAS PRIMARIES. FIND OUT WHERE AND VOTE VOTE VOTE !

    PLEASE! WE NEED EVERY LAST VOTE ! COPY AND PASTE THIS EVERYWHERE!”
    MrNikolaevich88 ”

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    Exclusive: ‘Bin Laden Dead’ Hoax Exposed

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    TRUMP: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEATH WAS A SCAM!

  13. Did you miss the Thanksgiving White House visitor log document dump?
    http://michellemalkin.com/

  14. kingtbone | November 29, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
    of topic .. but has any president ever won the eelctoral College ( real election) without winning their own state ? Romney will not carry Mass… if he could that would make a big difference
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    Just curious,

    What makes you think Mitten’s couldn’t take Mass.?

    1. He was elected Gov there
    2. They elected an (R) to take Kennedy’s seat. ( I know a RINO )

    My GOP primary pick
    Any (R) who demonstrates he or she can put together a 50 state National campaign and raise 1 billion dollars.

  15. The more Cain talks, the more he gets himself into trouble. Many people on this blog called me naive or lacking critical thinking skills because my gut told me Cain did the things he was accused of. People said some super sonic software proved Cain right and the women were just bimbos, but where there is smoke there is often fire. I said I would apologize if I was proven wrong on Cain. I doubt I am wrong, but I am very sad, as Cain made a fool of me and many others. When he gave his speech saying he was running, I was cheering through my whole house. I thought he would take the race card away from Obama. Now we’re back to square one. Newt may save us. I don’t know. We’ll see if he passes the vetting.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/11/29/cain-admits-paying-woman/

  16. The Nwo is Upon Us! – Alex Jones Sunday Edition 5/6

    On the Sunday, November 13 edition of the Alex Jones Show, Alex talks about the prospect of an attack on Iran now that the United Nations’ International Atomic Energy Agency has released a report accusing the Islamic Republic of working on a nuclear weapon. Alex also talks about his latest video documenting chemtrails in Texas and the world-wide secret program to manipulate the atmosphere. The government now admits it has been “testing” the manipulation of earth’s atmosphere with barium salts, aluminum dioxide and other toxic compounds. He also covers the silencing of Ron Paul at the Republican debates on Saturday. Alex confronts the latest news and takes listener calls on today’s world-wide transmission.
    http://www.infowars.com/
    http://www.prisonplanet.tv/
    http://www.infowars.net/
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/

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    The Nwo is Upon Us! – Alex Jones Sunday Edition 4/6

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    NEW PIRATE PARTY get off your ass time 2 act by David Icke

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  17. Tina | November 29, 2011 at 4:05 pm |

    Tina, its not about you. We need to defeat Obama next year. Cain became a highly flawed candidate. This is why we have primaries. The cream will rise to the top and that is whom we will support in the end.

  18. “This is the infamous pasted-on head photo with Granny Sarah:”


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    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/obama-mystery-theater-his-ever-morphing-face/

  19. CDR Kerchner:

    “A New CRS Memo is out about the Qualifications to be Pres and
    the legal term of art Natural Born Citizen”

    “… Atty Jack Maskell is at it again. …”

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/11/new-crs-memo-is-out-about.html

  20. Pat 1789

    Look at the history of massachuetes voting. In the last 10 presidential elections They have voted demoacrat every year except when Regan ran. and usually 65/35. A great website http://www.270towin.com give a great way to see history of state voting and possible outcomes. My pick right now has 269 to 260 votes in the elctoral college.

    I am sick and tire of all the talk about iowa and NH too … Who cares who when those primaries those states almost always go Democrat…

  21. And I am truly sorry for my horrific spelling and grammer !

  22. Pergamum: The Seat of Satan

    By Gordon Robertson

    http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/pergamon/

    Pergamum: The Seat of Satan

    In a two-part series, Gordon Robertson takes an in-depth look at the ancient Greco-Roman city Pergamum called “the dwelling place of Satan” from the book of Revelation. In part one, Gordon examines life in first-century Pergamum; the pagan cults devoted to the Roman emperor and the Greek gods Zeus and Asklepios; and the martyrdom of the Christian bishop Antipas. In part two, Pergamum’s Altar of Zeus takes center stage as it is excavated and taken to Germany where it later inspires the architecture of Adolf Hitler.

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  23. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Paxson,

    I will simply comment that I am disappointed in you.

    Tina,

    Take a look at the title of the artcle:

    “cain admits paying woman”

    Is PJ suggesting this woman is a hooker or something?

    Cain says he helped the woman out financially.

    She admits that Cain helped her out financially. The title of the article suggests Cain “paid” her either for sex, or for her silence. There is NO evidence of either.

    I can admit here that I have helped probably 5 women in the time of need to help them through a rough period, help pay for repairs on a furnace, help get their car running or put tires on their vehiclem help pay for birthday and Christmas presents, put food on the table, or simply to go out and have a good time. I may be forgetting some reasons I helped them out, but one thing for sure, I did not have a “relationship” with ANY of these women.

    I guess if PJ media claimed that I “paid” these women, then I should step down from my job in shame.

    What a joke.

    There is NOT one single shred of EVIDENCE Cain did wrong.

    I bowl on Wednesday night and I follow a woman. I sit on the back of a seat, and after this woman got done bowling she touched my leg………and I felt “uncomfortable”.

    I think I was sexually harassed.

    I’m giving Cain the benefit of the doubt until I see REAL EVIDENCE of wrongdoing from Cain.

    This innuendo from people with questionable motives and a history of claiming this or that just isn’t enough for me.

    Gloria stated when she trotted that Doctor out who “collaborated” Sharon’s story that they would wait and see how Cain adressed the claims made by Sharon and the Doctor.

    It’s been a couple weeks.

    Where’s the evidence? Some people on here are quick to conclusions, even the one person who pointed me to Cain in the first place.

    The media is so quick to report on these UNSUBSTANTIATED claims, and yes there are three women who have come forward now, but I have to comment this:

    I was at a friends house one day, and I saw a dog get hit by a car. EVERY dog in the neighborhood attacked that injured dog. They jumped the poor dog because it was vulnerable and the others took advantage of that.

    I wonder if that is what is happening to Cain.

  24. Interested Bystander | November 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm |
    Hey All,

    Paxson,

    I will simply comment that I am disappointed in you.
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    Sorry. I agree that the allegations are suspect. This last gal who accused him of having an affair has got major issues. I suppose that I am reading the writing on the wall.

  25. I have let the tsunami of gaffes and allegations affect my loyalty.

  26. Interested Bystander – November 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm |

    Thank you for having a common sense approach towards the Cain matter.
    I feel that folks are just too quick to “pull the trigger” or jump to conclusions, and it really has nothing to do with preferences.

    That PJ article, especially the title, gives the wrong impression by using the word “pay”. Whenever folks embellish like that, it becomes suspect. “Pay” has the connotation of giving money in exchange for something. If Cain helped her financially with a generous heart, then he wasn’t necessarily expecting “something” in exchange. We need to know more.

    I am anxious to hear his interview on Neil Cavuto’s program tomorrow (Fox) He will address his side of the story. For people to abandon ship so haphazardly because of these attacks seems fickled. Folks, we ain’t seen nuttin’ yet when it comes to personal attacks, and it won’t make any difference who the frontrunner is.

  27. I just read on another website, the perfect description of where we are, and where we are headed concerning the 15 TRILLION national debt looming over every American’s head. It went like this:

    “Watching the Democrats and Republicans bickering over the national debt is like watching two drunks argue over the bar bill on the Titanic”.

    I think that pretty well sizes up our situation. It is also a good assessment of the Euro on the European market.

    What I can’t understand is how could the banking system be so damn deep in debt. After all, aren’t these the people who print up and issue this phony monopoly money the whole world now uses. And don’t they get to lend back out to the stupid public, 16 dollars for every one they have deposited in their bank? Now that alone is a pretty good racket! Creating money out of thin air is a trick the Federal Reserve Banks is real good at.

    I didn’t major in math during my collage years, but you would have to be a blooming idiot to think the banking systems of the world are broke. Look at any town in America, or anywhere around the world. Who has the tallest, fanciest biggest buildings? No monthly payments, etc.Who can afford to pay their CEO’s, COO’s, CFO’s 10 figure bonus’s ( 20,000,000.00) for screwing things up! You guessed it….the bankers!

    And they are trying to convince us they are broke with all that gravy flowing.Some people are not satisfied with only three quarters of the pie. Some, like the greedy bankers, want the whole damn pie!

    But we can’t blame the bankers. The blame rest squarely in Washington and on the head of that retiring fagot, Barney Franks for allowing this mess to develop in the first place.

  28. Cabby, I really like Herman Cain….you know that. I am disappointed.

  29. A good poster at CW’s yesterday made a fine comment here. This one said that the Dems just cannot have a black conservative threatening them, and I agree wholeheartedly. After all, the Dems need the blacks to be weak and dependent upon big government.

    A successful businessman like Cain to get anywhere in the top tier of national politics must be STOPPED in his tracks, according to the Dems, who will stop at nothing to achieve their goal.

    The question is: Can Cain survive the financial upheaval that these attacks cause? Also, can his family be strong enough to continue to support him? Is it all worth it to him or is it too big a price to pay personally?

  30. The media are falling all over themselves with reports on Cain’s alleged indiscretions. So why aren’t they giving any attention whatsoever to the allegations that Obama had sexual encounters with a gay man? Are they incompetent, lazy or fearful of repercussions? Maybe we should help them do their job since they won’t.

    “Is Barack Obama Gay?” Larry Sinclair Interview –

    Read more http://hillbuzz.org/thanksgiving-marathon-the-is-barack-obama-gay-larry-sinclair-interview-is-on-youtube-now-79752

  31. Paxson | November 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    Cabby, I really like Herman Cain….you know that. I am disappointed.
    *******************************
    Paxson, I hear you. I am disappointed, too, but not in the man himself. Actually, I am more angry than disappointed. …..angry with the way evil people can be manipulated and will apparently do anything for a buck. This Ginger is not a savory character, and I strongly question her motivation. It is hard to believe that she came forward because she felt that the country should know or that Cain did not have the proper respect for the prior complainers. I believe the truth will come out eventually, but it may be to late to save his candidacy.

    I am not so naive to think that he can just move forward as he has been doing. It will be a decision that ultimately he and his family will have to make. In the meantime I, too, like Newt Gingrich more after hearing him in the debates and personal interviews. He may make a very good president.

  32. Oops – “to late” should be “too late”.

  33. Alabama Election Fraud Complaint Against Obama Submitted To Alabama Secretary of State
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/alabama-election-fraud-complaint.html

  34. If Cain doesn’t drop out, we will soon be seeing the content of those text messages to Ms. White, I predict. It is interesting that Cain did not release the NRA from talking about those settlements. While this may have been a hit job, Mr. Cain is making us all look like fools. The sooner he drops out so we can move on to a winning candidate, the better.

    Paxson, I agree. I think Santorum is a potentially good candidate. The shame is that the deeply flawed Cain may have taken the attention away from him so that Santorum has not gotten the attention needed to win Iowa.

  35. Tina, for pity sakes! Why do you say that Cain is “making us all look like fools”? I have been an early supporter of his, and although I’m saddened by these alleged offenses, I haven’t been made to look like a fool. Why do you take it all so personally? That is hard for me to understand. It’s not about us.

    So you want him to drop out in order that we can “move on.” Move on to what, Tina? Get prepared for attacks regardless of who the frontrunner becomes. You seem to feel that we will be headed for a good future if Cain can just get out of the way. Our troubles are just beginning.

  36. I was in Iowa last week and listened to some old timers talking about the candidates in a cafe last week. They pay closer attention than you give them credit for…

  37. That last response was for Tina.

  38. Tina said earlier, “Now we’re back to square one.”

    Tina, we aren’t a “voting block” here at CW. We are a bunch of like minded individuals who believe that something has gone seriously wrong with our country. Everyone here has their own ideas as to whom should be representing the Republicans in the primaries. If Cain drops out, or loses all support, that doesn’t mean that we are back at “square one”.

  39. Ron Paul Can Win on Arithmetic, Not Just Philosophy

    There is a man who’s working on Obama’s campaign right now — just as he did in 2007 and ’08 — who will be voting for Ron Paul in the general election if he’s on the ballot. I know because we have a mutual friend who
    told me about a conversation she had with him.

    That’s one hell of a political cross-over.

    And there’s plenty more where that came from.

    This week, pundits have been abuzz with the fact that the latest poll in Iowa puts Paul, Romney, Cain and Gingrich in a statistical dead heat to win the GOP primary in a couple of months.
    read more…………………………………………..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/how-ron-paul-can-win-on-a_b_1098770.html

  40. “OBAMA ADVISOR, CNN’S FAREED ZAKARIA, WANTS TO SCRAP U.S. CONSTITUTION AND LET SOCIAL MEDIA USERS WRITE A NEW ONE”

    Excerpt:

    “We are currently experiencing the results of social media electing an inexperienced, corrupt and anti-America president in one Barack Hussein Obama. What could go wrong with letting social media addicts, who have no real world knowledge and are largely uninformed, to rewrite the Constitution… if they can pull themselves away from playing FarmTown and Mafia Wars?

    From The DC:

    One of President Barack Obama’s most scrutinized statements prior to the 2008 election was one in which he concluded that the U.S. Constitution was a flawed document since it was “a charter of negative liberties.” But according to CNN host and Time magazine’s Fareed Zakaria, the president might have been on to something.

    Zakaria is your typical progressive/liberal/socialist who hates the Constitution because it stops progressives/liberals/socialists from forming their beloved dictatorships.”

    http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/obama-advisor-cnns-fareed-zakaria-wants-to-scrap-u-s-constitution-and-let-social-media-users-write-a-new-one/

    * * * *

    “FAREED ZAKARIA: “LET’S USE FACEBOOK AND TWITTER TO CREATE A 21ST CENTURY CONSTITUTION”

    By Jeff Poor
    The Daily Caller
    June 20, 2011

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/19/fareed-zakaria-lets-be-like-iceland-and-redo-the-u-s-constitution-or-something/

    * * * *

  41. “I was at a friends house one day, and I saw a dog get hit by a car. EVERY dog in the neighborhood attacked that injured dog. They jumped the poor dog because it was vulnerable and the others took advantage of that.

    I wonder if that is what is happening to Cain.”
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Every Dog has his day! woof woof
    I told you all Cain was a Trojan Horse sent by d rats, good thing he imploded outside the wall.

  42. Pat 1789 | November 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm |
    Every Dog has his day! woof woof
    I told you all Cain was a Trojan Horse sent by d rats, good thing he imploded outside the wall.
    *********************************
    Wow! You are “off the wall” with that conclusion! Where in the world have you gotten the idea that Cain was “sent by d rats”?? I’ve read you before, didn’t get it then and still don’t get it.

  43. Cabby – AZ | November 29, 2011 at 10:02 pm |

    Cain should have quit weeks ago, he was sent to damage the Republican Primary. Good thing he was outed. Another Trump.

  44. HELP!

    I’M IN MODERATION AND i CAN’T GET OUT!
    (November 29, 2011 at 7:18 pm )

  45. Pat, neither Cain or Trump weren’t sent by anybody other than their consciences that told them something needs to be done about the direction of our country.

  46. MUST READ ARTICLES!!

    “THE PERFECT MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE”

    By John S. Torell

    Excerpts:

    ENTER BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

    “If you have not read my article, “The Obama Election Charade” you might have a hard time following the information I am about to give you. [2] I have documented that Obama was selected back in 1992 by American Jewish leaders in Chicago and for the next 16 years he was groomed for the presidency of the United States of America.

    I want to point out to you that the Devil works through all kinds of people, regardless of their nationality. As I have written about and spoken many times, God selected Abraham and his seed to bring forth the Messiah so that all nations on the earth could be saved. Satan also selected Abraham’s seed to bring forth the Antichrist, and thus we are now seeing a Jewish World Government, better known as “the Zionist World Federation,” which is going to give the world a Messiah who in the Bible is also known as the “Son of Perdition.” (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12)

    Just like Jesus had John the Baptist as a forerunner who prepared the way for Him (Matthew 3:1-14; Luke 3:1-21), so will the Antichrist, and it is entirely possible that Barack Obama is that man. I believe that he is a “Manchurian Candidate” and let me share with you the reasons why I believe so.”

    INSANITY

    “Before GM and Chrysler were forced into bankruptcy, both companies announced that they were closing many of their dealerships. GM closed 1,100 dealerships at once with more than 900 to follow and Chrysler closed 789 dealerships. This was a move of insanity since each dealership is independent. The buildings and all of the personnel are paid by the owner of the dealership and there is no cost whatsoever to GM or Chrysler. Even if a dealership only sells a few cars, it is still a profit for car manufacturers since the dealers have to pay for the cars when they are delivered.

    Tens of thousands of Americans lost their jobs, and instead of creating jobs, Barry and his wrecking crew destroyed them. GM was told to sell off several of its assets like the Hummer division, Saturn, SAAB and close the Pontiac division. This threatened the employment of some 100,000 people and caused even more destruction!

    There were two kinds of investors in these two companies, bondholders and stockholders. These investments were basically wiped out and tens of thousands of people who invested their savings into these companies will end up losing most of it. People living on these investments after retirement will most likely be forced to sell their homes and drastically reduce their style of living.”

    WHO WON IN THIS OPERATION?

    “This is the biggest takeover of private industry in the history of the United States and rivals what Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela when he nationalized most of the private industry. Sixty percent (60%) of GM and Chrysler is now owned by the U.S. Government, another portion is owned by the Canadian Government, a portion is owned by the labor unions and a remaining fraction is owned by former bond and stock holders. Barry and his Marxist/socialist gang have dismantled and taken over the ruins of the once mighty American auto industry with Ford alone left standing.

    The only viable manufacturing industry left in the United States is the airplane industry that produces military and civilian aircraft. All other industries have been relocated to Mexico, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea, Taiwan and China.”

    [See: GE moving X-ray business to China. What message is sent to U.S.? http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/27/ge-moving-x-ray-business-to-china-what-message-is-sent-to-u-s ]

    On the 100th day in office, Barry declared that he is “remaking America” not rebuilding it. While honoring himself at a dinner commemorating his 100 days in office, Barry spoke the following:

    “…I would like to talk about what my administration plans to achieve in the next 100 days. During the second 100 days, we will design, build and open a library dedicated to my first 100 days. I believe that my next 100 days will be so successful, that I will complete them in 72 days – and on the 73rd I will rest…”[10]

    These are words spoken by a man with a hubris that is more inflated than those of the Emperor Nero, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Kim Jong-Il. Barry must know something that the rest of us in America don’t.

    Barry is currently pushing for universal health care in the United States. In a typical Marxist-Socialist fashion Barry has a new tax plan. He wants to eliminate taxes for senior citizens with income of less than $50,000 a year, raise income taxes for people making more than $250,000 per year, raise capital gains and dividend taxes, close corporate tax loopholes, lift the income cap on Social Security taxes, restrict offshore tax havens, and simplify filing of income tax returns by pre-filling wage and bank information already collected by the IRS.”

    Read More Here: http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_13/manchurian-candidate.htm

    * * * *

    “THE OBAMA ELECTION CHARADE”

    By John S. Torell

    http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_12/oec.htm

    * * * *

    “IS BARACK OBAMA A KGB AGENT?”

    Read More Here: http://www.henrymakow.com/kgb_operation_barack_obama.html

    * * *

  47. Part of a comment by CDR Kerchner at ORYR:

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/congressional-research-service-releases.html?showComment=1322627241385#c792190441

    “P.S. And of course Maskell does not address the identity fraud and election fraud of Obama in his use of false identity documents such as a forge BC, using s SSN legally not issued to him, and fraudulently back dating his draft registration filing with his helpers in the Chicago IL regional Selective Service office. He is conveniently silent on that.”
    ——–
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/congressional-research-service-releases.html#comment-form

  48. The Nwo is Upon Us! – Alex Jones Sunday Edition 4/6

    Alex Jones: “The “ruling” class are playing God!”

    * * * *

    NEW PIRATE PARTY get off your ass time 2 act by David Icke

    * * * *

    “MICHAEL SAVAGE TALKS TO LIBERAL WHITE CALLER RE: OBAMA’S MISSING GRADES”

    A Comment Under This Video:

    “TO ALL LIBERALS:

    “ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR STUPIDITY,
    BUT ASK WHAT STUPIDITY CAN DO FOR YOU!”

    * * * *

  49. Have you seen this? Trump is very angry over Obama’s fundraising in NYC and messing up the traffic around the annual tree-lighting in NYC.

  50. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    Let me comment this:

    Pat, you called me “disturbed”? Please look in the mirror before making such ignorant comments.

    And for the record I am responding to this comment from Pat:

    “Every Dog has his day! woof woof
    I told you all Cain was a Trojan Horse sent by d rats, good thing he imploded outside the wall.”

    Tina,

    I would like to point this comment toward you and anyone else who feels the need to comment:

    Yesterday the US Senate passed by a 60 to 38 vote to ALLOW the Defense Department to detain INDEFINATELY anyone SUSPECTED of ANYTHING deemed by the military to be a threat.

    Take a minute and let that sink in.

    If Obama signs this bill, and he has threatened to veto it (probably a ruse, and he’ll sign it just before taking off for another vacation), ANY American citizen can be held FOREVER without being charged, only on a “suspicion”.

    Forever people!!! You do NOT have to be captured on a battlefield, and you do NOT have had commited a crime. The military has to SUSPECT that you are a threat, and you can be sent to GITMO, or some other place.

    The reason I point this comment to Tina, is simply because I try and try to convey that the taking of anyone’s LIBERTIES is the start of taking EVERYONE’S liberties.

    Tina suggests that magazines like Playboy and Hustler should be banned. Tina suggests that porn videos (I guess Tina gets to decide what is “porn” and what isn’t) should be banned. Tina suggests that smoking should be banned wherever SHE may go (I guess it would be ok to allow smoking in a porn theater since she won’t be in attendance). Tina suggests that drinking alcohol should be banned (and I surmise from Tina’s comments that it would be ok to allow smoking and porn and magazines in a bar also).

    And NOW, I would suggest that THIS little piece of information will sit well with Tina.

    I would suggest that until one of Tina’s liberties are stripped from her, will she be offended by the passing of ANY legislation that limits other people’s liberities.

    And Tina, when you are thrown in to a “camp” and are detained INDEFINATELY for mere SUSPICION, I will lean in to the bars and tell you that I told you so, because I will more than likely be in the next cell, being held indefinately for the last liberty that was taken from us.

    John McCain and Lindsey Graham are sponsors of this authorization.

    I am totally embarrassed that I voted for McCain.

    As Patrick Henry stated long ago:

    “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!”

    When WILL we wake up?

  51. Tina; anyone who gets the GOP nomination can expect to be torn apart by Obama & Co….This is what David Axelrod does and with the main stream media’s refusal to cover anything negative about “O” , it is not a two way street when it comes to this strategy…

  52. Interested Bystander

    Paxson,

    I made my “disappointed” comment to you because you seem like a person of conviction.

    You seem to be someone who could ride the storm out, and even IF the person you supported isn’t on top (and Cain sure wasn’t even taken seriously when you first supported him), you would stick by him/her.

    Cabby,

    Thank you for your kind response.

    Look people, just take a look at WHO is reporting this. You “trust” these people? Have you actually watched the 11 minute video of the interview? There is NOTHING of substance in the piece. All this woman offered were phone records with 61 calls AND text messages. Just take a second and think of how many calls and text messages you have sent to certain people over the last THREE months, or it must have been Sept, Aug and July of this year, or it may have been ANY other two months, because the piece doesn’t say these were three CONSECUTIVE months, but it does show the last message which was some time in September, and she says that the “affair” ended 8 months ago (which would be March of this year).

    Cain may be a good salesman, and I’ll be the first to admit that I have been “taken” before (I did vote for McCain, which in retrospect was a WASTED vote), but I have got to comment that Cain looks sincere in his denial. He flatly told Blitzer that NO SEX took place.

    I don’t know what happened, or if anything happened, and I really don’t care one way or the other because this isn’t a matter for the public to decide, it’s a matter between Mr and Mrs Cain.

    John F Kennedy would never be President in these days (oh wait, he was a Democrat, but then again we do have the Enquirer to “out” Democrats).

    What I see in Cain is a man of character. From his demeaner in answering these questions, to his gaffes in answers to other questions, I see a man who WANTS to do what is right.

    Of course he was “shaken” the first time these accusations came up. Who wouldn’t be? Have you ever been fired and felt that “burning” in your heart because something you didn’t expect was thrown in your face? I’d bet ALL of us would want to be able to go back and alter what you said, or how you acted.

    Again, I don’t have a clue as to whether these allegations are true or not.

    I will state that I am MORE suspicious of the people MAKING these allegations, than I am of the person who these allegations are made about.

    Give me SOMETHING, a plane ticket, a matchbook, a blue dress, those text messages, SOMETHING other than some people who have filed BANKRUPTCY, or who have gone on to make DEMANDS of future employers.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I want some PROOF other than 3 people coming forward (and one who hasn’t even made SPECIFIC allegations), saying that “something” happened with Cain.

    This last one seems to admit that she was simply a sperm bank, and that she was ok with that. She says she came forward because a “friend” was going to report the story to the media.

    This all smells like character assassination to me.

    I am willing to let this play out before I jump to conclusions.

  53. Interested Bystander

    Bessie,

    It seems that everyone EXCEPT Romney will be torn apart, until of course Romney gets the nomination.

    Maybe it’s just me, but it sure does seem like the media wants Romney to be the candidate to go against Obama next year.

    I can NOT convey the disappointment I feel for many citizens of this Country.

    Romney is an establishment hack. He is Obama with an R behind his name.

    I saw a cartoon yesterday, it was a boy and his dad sitting at the kitchen table and the young boy asks his dad:

    “What’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats?”

    And the dad responds:

    “The spelling.”

  54. IB. I understand and I didn’t take it personally. I am disappointed all ways around. If Cain can get out of this jam, I’ll be there, but he has a long road to get his momentum back.

  55. SAVAGE EXPLAINS MARXISM TO DUMB LIBERAL

    * * * *

    SAVAGE ARGUES WITH ANOTHER DUMB LIBERAL

    * * * *

    “MICHAEL SAVAGE TALKS TO LIBERAL WHITE CALLER RE: OBAMA’S MISSING GRADES”

    A Comment Under This Video:

    “TO ALL LIBERALS:

    “ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR STUPIDITY,
    BUT ASK WHAT STUPIDITY CAN DO FOR YOU!”

    * * * *

  56. In comments:

    (November 29, 2011 9:17 PM)

    Mario Apuzzo:

    “This new Jack Maskell memo is nothing but a cut and paste from Obot web sites. He stamps everything that breathes as a “natural born Citizen.” Mr. Maskell is a master at hiding how he confounds and conflates a “natural born Citizen” with “citizen of the United States. I am working on some essays right now which I will be publishing shortly. After doing that, I will address Mr. Maskell’s new memo.”

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7466841558189356289&postID=8404387115940856376

  57. I’m Telling The Truth

    * * * *

    Michael Savage – Sick of Islam

    * * * *

    Michael Savage On Radical Islam’s Threat To The West.

    * * * *

  58. Interested Bystander | November 30, 2011 at 8:35 am |

    You are misinformed.

  59. Interested Bystander – November 30, 2011 7:52 AM
    IB, I am also concerned about S.1867, which as you pointed out, the Senate passed 60 to 38 yesterday; however, not all of the information being reported by many is entirely correct. I have not read the bill (it is large, imo) but did read certain sections re. U.S. citizens being exempted.

    As usual I am a bit skeptical about jumping on the bandwagon until I have done some research re. the truth of the allegations being made. I wish that someone would jump over to the following link and read what the writer has to say:

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread780914/pg1

    Now, I have read elsewhere that this provision exempting U.S. citizens is just a smoke screen and would be ineffective if push came to shove. I just don’t know.

    There is one thing to point out: If Zero is against it, well, I probably am for it. 🙂 (He says he will veto it) Another thing, when the ACLU comes out against the bill, that gives me pause for thought. However, once in a great while the ACLU is on the correct side, so, who really knows? BTW, the Occupier website is vehemently opposed to this bill.

  60. Tina suggests that magazines like Playboy and Hustler should be banned. Tina suggests that porn videos (I guess Tina gets to decide what is “porn” and what isn’t) should be banned. Tina suggests that smoking should be banned wherever SHE may go (I guess it would be ok to allow smoking in a porn theater since she won’t be in attendance). Tina suggests that drinking alcohol should be banned (and I surmise from Tina’s comments that it would be ok to allow smoking and porn and magazines in a bar also).

    ______________________________

    And proud of it too, IB! The filth! No difference between libertarian and liberals. You love your liberty to live a filth filled life! Shame on you!

  61. The liberals and the media will try to kill every GOP campaign they can, Cabby. Any candidate that has done anything they will dump dirt on. But that does not mean Cain or anyone else is clean. It’s just Cain has made it easy for them, I regret. The problem is that we’re too meak to do the same thing to Obama or haven’t chosen to yet.

  62. It has already leaked that Obama wants to kill Romney with dirt if he’s the nominee. Some have suggested that the media will hold their fire on Newt until he’s nominated, if he’s nominated, and then will let go on him to kill his campaign too. Expect it and learn to fight back.

  63. Looks like Cain is in the lead (Poll on right side)
    Who would you vote for in the GOP primary?
    http://nation.foxnews.com/

  64. Cabby – AZ | November 30, 2011 at 11:44 am | Interesting article:
    Let’s Kill Cain’s Campaign

    ——————————————
    If the hyper media Cain attention ISN’T conservative-race based then same early on attention would have had equal strength against Newt at the same time, reminding the public of his own personal history with women. If the more evidenced accusations against Obama re: homo rather than hetero (with all the more serious repercussions attending them) were to get any serious play you can bet the defense would be not only “racist” but “homophobe” response even with the phony public facade using a woman for the “family” man image. Just as was the acceptance of the phony “minister” facade by a hate spewing racist bigot so called “christi
    an”.

    And I wouldn’t get too exercised over Tina/Pat et al alter egos….it’s a game with “them” purposefully using opposition hyperbole as the gimmick. Just sigh and, as “they” advise, move on!!!! In some “circles” facts don’t matter too much nor fairness nor balance.

  65. This is why Newt is so good. Food stamps with Obama and paychecks with Newt. Just love it! Wish Newt didn’t have his own baggage, but he can deliver an attack against Obama like no one else can or will do.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/30/newts-rallying-cry-food-stamps-with-obama-versus-paychecks-with-gingrich/

  66. ATF ‘Fast & Furious’ Whistleblowers Claim Retaliation By DOJ

    http://www.breitbart.tv/atf-fast-furious-whistleblowers-claim-retaliation-by-doj/

  67. Our main focus should be to defeat Obama and take the Senate…..We need to make everyone aware of ACORN and project vote and all the potential for voter fraud. I read yesterday that D.C. is still funding acorn (through an affiliate) despite the fact that they are supposed to be off Government support.

    It doesn’t matter to me who wins at this point as long as it isn’t a demrat. If we have control of congress, whoever is in the W.H. can be tamped down. We cannot, however, allow the progressives another day in power.

  68. Help! I’m in moderation at 11:00 am!! Can you please free my
    11:00 am post? (videos).

  69. Tina | November 30, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    This is what we should be hearing more of
    **********************************
    The video for that was posted early this morning on the prior thread, fyi.
    I think it illustrates how bloomin’ inconsiderate and brazen Zero is. Not that we didn’t already know.

  70. observer | November 30, 2011 at 12:36 pm |

    Thank you for your thoughts and insight. I really appreciate your input – always!

  71. HonorFirst | November 30, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    Our main focus should be to defeat Obama and take the Senate.
    *******************************
    Agreed, ESPECIALLY the Senate, which is within our grasp, I believe. Getting Zero OUT may be very hard regardless of the horribly poor job he has done. He is a campaigner and fighter; moreover, he has a supportive group of thugs who know no bounds when it comes to dirty tricks.

    His pal, David, is chief when it comes to managing a smear machine. Also, we have a big problem with a bunch of voters who can hardly tell their right hand from the left. They adore Zero and are easily swayed to vote for him. Add to that problem the grave risk of widespread voter fraud.

  72. Cabby, yes, I think we should be sounding the alarms, blowing whistles, etc., to anyone and everyone to be on the lookout for fraud. Perhaps volunteering at voting places, informing polling officials of what to expect. Protecting the integrity of absentee ballots (where much of the fraud is),\

    I have never been involved in the voting process, I just show and vote….maybe we need to start offering our services. Film or record anything suspect, etc. Vigiliance where they caucus perhaps…….

    Just throwing some ideas in the air.

  73. Interested Bystander

    Tina,

    Although I am aware of Newt’s past, I find it VERY hypocritical that you have written Cain off with NO evidence what so ever, but praise Newt’s stance on issues.

    I thought you were supposed to be this moralist, but yet you condone Newt, which must mean that you condone his actions from the past.

    Where is your criticism of this woman, who knew EXACTLY what she was “supposedly” doing? You stand on your soap box spouting about how bad a man Cain is, but not a peep of criticism on this SINGLE MOM (and Sharon is a single mom also (not sure about Karen), and not only that, but until recently Sharon was living with a man out of wedlock WITH a son).

    I have NEVER been behind on my mortgage, pay all of our bills on time, do NOT live outside of our means and am responsible enough to understand that I would NOT be responsible enough to raise children, so we never had kids AFTER discussing it and coming to a decision.

    You criticise ME when I have NEVER received Government assistance, and claim I live a life of “filth”, and you comment NOT A WORD about these women, who are probably ON Government assistance, are unemployed and live a life of sin, except to praise them for being strong women for coming out.

    And then I will comment on this:

    “And proud of it too, IB! The filth! No difference between libertarian and liberals. You love your liberty to live a filth filled life! Shame on you!”

    “filth filled life”???

    How do you know how MY life is?

    I’d love to meet you face to face and compare our “lives”.

    Tina, I have been married for 29 years (yes to the same woman), I have NEVER strayed from our relationship.

    Oh I smoke and drink and look at Hustler and Playboy and I put porn on while we play our Yatzee on Friday nights. I guess my wife lives a “filthy life” also.

    What a joke for you to be the judge of me. What gives you this “moral superiority” to judge what is ok and not ok for people?

    Shame on YOU Tina for having this holier than tho attitude.

    YOU are NOT without sin Tina, and I suspect that YOUR past has some skeletons in it too, and I suspect that THAT is the reason you are so judgemental.

    Care to compare lives Tina?

    How about giving us a brief “look” in to YOUR life Tina?

    I promise I won’t judge you.

    One last thing Tina,

    You need to go back and read the history of our Country and find out WHY it was Founded.

    If YOU don’t like liberty then YOU move out of MY Country and quit trying to change it in to something it was NEVER meant to be.

    It really angers me when someone like you try to judge other people.

    Get off of your moral high horse.

  74. Interested Bystander

    “Pat 1789 | November 30, 2011 at 11:24 am |

    Interested Bystander | November 30, 2011 at 8:35 am |

    You are misinformed.”

    Oh I am, am I?

    Tell me that in 20 or 30 years, and then I’ll believe you.

    I stand by my comment.

  75. re posted from Orly’s site
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28424
    Do we want to replace an antiamerican globalist Obama with another globalist -Gingrich?

    Posted on | November 29, 2011 | 2 Comments
    Newt Gingrich is Mr. New World Order – a committed globalist who has publicly made clear his contempt for American sovereignty and freedom on a plethora of occasions, not least when he joined forces with Nancy Pelosi to push the Obama administration’s cap and trade agenda that would have completely bankrupted the country.“

    read more……………….

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28424

  76. Interested Bystander

    Cabby and Observer,

    I totally agree, not only should we be trying to gain control of the Senate, we should try to increase our gains in the House also.

    But we need the RIGHT people, and not just those who are running on the Republican name.

    Primaries are KEY, we need to become informed and choose the BEST person.

    And Cabby about the DAA,

    Although I have read that there are exemptions for American citizens in the DAA, I believe there are “exemptions” to that exemtion, and I would suggest that this is a stepping stone.

    I totally disagree with having a policy of holding detainees FOR EVER. There needs to be a policy in place for these detainees to be tried and punished.

    It is a small step for our Representatives to change a word, or remove a word from a bill, and it could be done as a “trailer” on another bill.

    Another thing is WHY do we need a 1400 page DAA?

    I stand by my comment, and believe that our Legislators put in to place what I commented above.

    We really do need to open our eyes.

  77. I don’t know if anybody else has been listening to Michael Savage lately, but he has been right on the money lately. His show yesterday was awesome.

  78. You really disgust me, IB. But I am not here to learn more about your filthy life and how you defend porn. It demeans women. I am here to help kick Obama out of office. The reason I grew up the way I did is I grew up during the 60’s and was disgusted with what I saw. I have been a staunch social conservative ever since. I don’t think too many people would be impressed with your boasting of viewing porn. Most mothers would keep their kids far away from you, and with good reason. Your continued boasting of your right to view porn is what is sickening about libertarians. But let us agree that Obama needs to be removed from office.

  79. Interested Bystander

    Hey All,

    I just watched Cain on Cavuto and have to comment that I accept his answers until proven wrong.

    Watching Cain today only bolstered my view of him.

    A man of character.

    Tina,

    I’ll respond to you in the mroning, I’m off to live my “filthy” life out in public where I’m sure to be exposed, and then off to work.

  80. Knock your socks off, IB. Cain is sinking and Newt is rising. The question is will Newt last? I am sure the vultures will try to take him down next.

  81. Unbelievable rally in the stock market….wake up people. We, the taxpayer just bailed out the Euro…..Remember when Bernanke announced QE1 and QE2….All he did was inflate our dollar and the markets went wild.. Hooray! The markets don’t care, all they want are those dollars, as worthless as they are, to trade with. All we did is delay the inevitable….the EU couldn’t save themselves because they can’t stop their insatiable spending and entitlements. So here comes the devalued dollar to save the day. I dread the day we see the next bubble burst and it will be our worthless money.

    This has all been predetermined to take capitalism and they are doing a fine job. God help us. Looks like the only investment worth a darn will be land to grow your own food

  82. This is a good summary of the struggle the social conservatives are having this year despite our dislike of Obama.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/30/christian_right_at_a_loss_in_its_search_for_a_candidate_to_back_112230-2.html

  83. @Tina
    I hate to post this but RP nailed Newt good on this one.
    As for Cain, sheesh. The man must be hooked on his own celeb or the free secret service protection.

  84. Newt Gingrich: Serial Hypocrisy

  85. re posted from Orly’s site
    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28424
    Do we want to replace an antiamerican globalist Obama with another globalist -Gingrich?

    Posted on | November 29, 2011 | 2 Comments
    Newt Gingrich is Mr. New World Order – a committed globalist who has publicly made clear his contempt for American sovereignty and freedom on a plethora of occasions, not least when he joined forces with Nancy Pelosi to push the Obama administration’s cap and trade agenda that would have completely bankrupted the country.“

    read more……………….

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28424

  86. Another possible not so subtle reference to the Red X, only this time not on the dress????:

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/04bNdjkgHaeNy?__site=daylife&q=Politics

  87. Video on drudge by the Paul camp, Brutal.
    —————————————————————————
    [And I wouldn’t get too exercised over Tina/Pat et al alter egos….it’s a game with “them” purposefully using opposition hyperbole as the gimmick. Just sigh and, as “they” advise, move on!!!! In some “circles” facts don’t matter too much nor fairness nor balance.]

    @observer

    Your driving down the road and you see someone elses dog get hit by a car. What do you do?
    A. Keep driving and thank God it wasn’t your dog.
    B. Stop and attempt to asisst the dog and risk getting bit.
    C. Stop, put your car in reverse and finish the dog off so he won’t suffer.

    In politics the answer is almost always C.

    Right now I see a dog lying on the side of the road, he’s not mine. My hand is on the shifter and car is in reverse.

  88. The attack on the British Embassy in Iran seems a bit curious to me. As a result, Britian, Norway and France have pulled their embassy staff out and probably others by now……Makes me wonder if this was a ruse to evacuate before the bombings begin…………call me cynical, who knows.

  89. Makes sense to me Honor First……you damn sure don’t want to have any NATO organizations in there when the bombs start falling.

  90. Paul Moves Into Second Place in Iowa AND New Hampshire

    While Newt Gingrich attracts media attention as he moves up in national polls, Ron Paul is enjoying a surge of his own.

    The Texas congressman has moved into second place in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to two Bloomberg News polls released this week. [HERE and HERE] In Iowa, he sits one point behind Herman Cain with 19 percent support, according to a poll released Tuesday. And a poll released Wednesday shows him at 17 percent in New Hampshire, far behind Mitt Romney (who has 40 percent support) but six points ahead of the third place finisher, Gingrich.

    Paul’s campaign has demonstrated organizational strength in his numerous straw poll victories. That ability to mobilize supporters could come into play on Jan. 3 in Iowa’s caucuses.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/16/paul_mo

  91. Interested Bystander

    Good Morning All,

    Just for the record, I bowled a 289 last night. I had the first 10 strikes and then CHOKED on the eleventh.

    Still the best game I have ever bowled……………maybe next time.

    Next, to Cabby and Pat;

    After doing some research thanks to someone who will remain unnamed, you may want to read this:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c112xWEuki:e462417:

    Read section 1031 and then 1032 with particular attention to (4) of (a) in section 1032.

    I understand what (b) states, but with (4) of (a), you can pretty much throw out ANY requirments OR exemptions.

    Just trying to inform everyone.

    I am NOT trying to suggest that our Government WILL go around getting exemptions as described in (4), but there it is in black and white.

    And John McCain was a sponsor of the bill.

    I hold my head down in shame.

  92. Interested Bystander

    Sorry, I believe I should have written WAIVERS and NOT exemptions in this paragraph:

    “I am NOT trying to suggest that our Government WILL go around getting exemptions as described in (4), but there it is in black and white.”

  93. I just want to mention that Romney, Huntsman, Bachmann, and Santorum have all had long stable marriages and they believe in God. We have never heard about affairs in their long public lives. That should count for something. Newt seems to have cleaned up his life with a stable marriage and return to God. Since I believe in the power to forgive, I am willing to trust Newt on his private life as long as no new things come to light with him.

  94. Interested Bystander

    Tina, my response to you is in moderation.

  95. Interested Bystander

    Have a good day all.

    Paxson,

    Did you see Cain on Cavuto yesterday afternoon?

    Pretty impressive, in my opinion.

  96. Interested Bystander | December 1, 2011 at 7:20 am |
    Congrats on your great bowling last night!

    Re. R.1867 – Personally I don’t think I like the bill because of the way it was formulated, BUT let me point out something as it pertains to applying the rules of statutory construction. The waiver part of Sec. 1032, applies only to paragraph (a) of Sec.1032. According to the rules of statutory construction, the waiver part does NOT reach down and apply to paragraph (b), which is entitled, “Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens.”

    I am not a supporter of the bill that was passed, because there are many questions to be answered; however, I would say that if Zero has threatened to veto it, there must not be the threat to our liberty that so many are fearing. Maybe Zero fears this bill because it could threaten HIM? Just a thought. His citizen status is dubious.

  97. Interested Bystander

    Cabby,

    I won’t even pretend to know how or why these authorizations are worded the way they are, but the way I read it, a waiver can be made for anyone.

    And I think Obama’s “veto” threat is just that………a threat.

    I think Obama will sign this thing.

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