Rod Blagojevich lawyers request special hearing, John Wyma testimony, Judge James Zagel, Tony Rezko, Provena Health, Evidentiary hearing request

Rod Blagojevich lawyers request special hearing, John Wyma testimony, Judge James Zagel, Tony Rezko, Provena Health, Evidentiary hearing request

“Why did Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Justice Department wait until December 2008 to arrest Rod Blagojevich?”…Citizen Wells

“I believe I’m more pristine on Rezko than him.”…Rod Blagojevich

From the Chicago SunTimes November 28, 2011.

“Blago’s lawyers want hearing based on new John Wyma information”

“Rod Blagojevich’s lawyers are asking for a special hearing to discuss what they say is new information regarding a key witness at the former governor’s trial.

They are asking U.S. District Judge James Zagel for an evidentiary hearing regarding the testimony of onetime Blagojevich friend and lobbyist John Wyma, arguing they weren’t allowed to properly cross examine him at trial. It was Wyma’s cooperation in 2008 that led to FBI wiretaps against the now-convicted ex-governor.

In a weekend filing, lawyers questioned whether the government properly vetted information against Wyma that was provided by a cooperating Tony Rezko. Rezko, a onetime fund-raiser to Blagojevich convicted on 16 counts of corruption, was sentenced to 10 ½ years last week.

In filings regarding Rezko’s sentencing, Wyma’s cooperation with the government is discussed, including that Rezko told prosecutors that he tried to extract a campaign contribution through Wyma from Provena Health, whom Wyma represented as a lobbyist at the time.

Lawyers question whether bribery was involved when Provena was granted a certificate of need from an Illinois hospital board. Rezko told prosecutors in private sessions that Provena had a dispute with someone on the hospital board and resolved it by paying the board member, according to the Blagojevich defense filing. Prosecutors say the charge was unsubstantiated.

“Blagojevich did not have any knowledge about and was absolutely unaware of the Provena activities of Rezko and Wyma,” the filing says.

It says after Rezko gave the information to prosecutors, Wyma was hit with a subpoena.

“Shortly after Wyma received this grand jury subpoena, he agreed to be, and became, an informant for the government. This allowed the government to obtain a wiretap on Blagojevich’s telephones,” lawyers wrote.

After the taps were secured, Blagojevich’s lawyers said, prosecutors deemed Rezko’s information “not substantiated.”

“If the incriminating evidence against Wyma was not substantiated because it was not investigated, the government’s statement is misleading,” defense lawyers wrote.

Provena officials could not immediately be reached for comment.

Blagojevich’s lawyer, Shelly Sorosky, said the new information was based on filings before Rezko’s sentencing, where both sides agree Rezko’s cooperation led the government to Wyma.”

Read more:
http://www.suntimes.com/9114418-417/blagos-lawyers-want-hearing-based-on-new-john-wyma-information.html

Thanks to commenter Bessie.

57 responses to “Rod Blagojevich lawyers request special hearing, John Wyma testimony, Judge James Zagel, Tony Rezko, Provena Health, Evidentiary hearing request

  1. The feds want it both ways….Rezko was only credible when they wanted him to be…

  2. “Obama Mystery Theater: His Ever-Morphing Face”
    by Miri

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/obama-mystery-theater-his-ever-morphing-face/
    ==========
    “A Compilation of POTUS Mug Shots”
    By Bridgette

    “PHOTOS OF STEVE DUNHAM, aka BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, aka BARRY SOETORO, aka BARRY DUNHAM, aka BEARICK OBAMA,
    aka BARRY OBAMA, aka POTUS”

    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/a-compilation-of-potus-mug-shots/

  3. H/T to Blago! Not a bad move. Someone should ask Dr. Michael Malek if he knows anything about this Provena,Wyma,Rezko stuff.

  4. Obama Explains Why Birth Certificates Don’t Matter

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    Obama Admits He Is A Muslim

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  5. Official Challenge Filed Against Barack Obama Being Placed on the Georgia Primary Ballot

    To: Georgia Secretary of State Brian P. Kemp

    From: Carl A. Swensson
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/11/official-challenge-to-barack-obama.html

  6. Whistleblower; I haven’t heard that name in a while…wasn’t he the one that Rezko lived with when he first came to Chicago?

  7. Bessie,

    Dr. Michael Malek is a neurosurgeon out of Kankakee IL who was on the(friends of Rezko) Illinois Health Planning Board. Dr Malek was also on the Blago 25K donor clout list. I wonder why the Chicago Sun-Times did not name the board member who Rezko claimed Provena paid ?

    Dr. Michael Malek is not to be confused with another Kankakee neurosurgeon and Rezko pal Dr. Ronald Michael, who also works out of Provena.

  8. @ IB
    I am pretty sure we (R) get along with out your vote, whether it’s Romney or whomever. You seem disturbed. Peace
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    Interested Bystander | November 28, 2011 at 1:17 pm | Pat,

    Although what you state is probably true, it is sad to me to think that “we” will allow the media pundits to pick the GOP candidate.

    I will NEVER, EVER vote for Romney.

    As I have stated before, it is my opinion that allowing Obama another four years is better than voting in another “establishment hack” who will simply slow the car down, and allow us to continue down the road of destruction we have been on for the last 5 decades.

    It is my belief that it is time for a “U” turn, and Romney, Perry or Newt will simply slow the car down.

    It’s time for “RADICAL” change. And by “radical” I mean reasonable reform that will get this Country BACK to the vision of our Founders.

    My vision of “reasonable” is different than yours of course.

  9. “WHAT IF THE CONSTITUTION NO LONGER APPLIED?”

    Judge Andrew Napolitano
    © 2011 WorldNetDaily Commentary
    November 23, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “What if the whole purpose of the Constitution was to limit the government? What if Congress’ enumerated powers in the Constitution no longer limited Congress, but were actually used as justification to extend Congress’ authority over every realm of human life? What if the president, meant to be an equal to Congress, has become a democratically elected, term-limited monarch? What if the president assumed everything he did was legal, just because he’s the president? What if he could interrupt your regularly scheduled radio and TV programming for a special message from him? What if he could declare war on his own? What if he could read your emails and texts without a search warrant? What if he could kill you without warning?

    What if the rights and principles guaranteed in the Constitution have been so distorted in the past 200 years as to be unrecognizable by the founders? What if the states were mere provinces of a totally nationalized and fully centralized government? What if the Constitution was amended stealthily, not by constitutional amendments duly passed by the states, but by the constant and persistent expansion of the federal government’s role in our lives? What if the federal government decided whether its own powers were proper and constitutional?”

    Must Read More Here:
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=370733

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  10. This is sad. PJMedia.com discussed an affair too. None of it would have been a problem if Cain just said he wasn’t perfect, apologized, and moved on. Newt is not perfect, but voters want someone who is credible.

    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/11/28/herman-cains-attorney-basically-admits-affair/

  11. Very sad regarding Mr. Cain.

  12. Pat @ 5:43 p.m.

    I’m praying to God the American public will wake up to how ridiculous this is all becoming.

  13. Tina; why do you these guy’s think they can keep a secret like that?

  14. I don’t know, Bessie. People have to be confident to run for President, but anyone who just thinks they can bluff through these things is wrong. It is better to apologize because, people forgive, but they don’t forgive lies.

  15. The other thing that is sad is how everyone wanted to believe Cain and call the women names.

  16. Bessie and Tina

    Lets not get distracted from the real problems. One of them being the so called Old Media

    Trib Endorses Obama for President – Want a Mulligan Yet?

    http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2011/11/28/trib-endorses-obama-for-president-–-want-a-mulligan-yet/

  17. Agree the lamestream media is a huge problem.

  18. Let’s remember we have a huge fight on our hands. My stupid liberal relatives who came to dinner over the holiday are gushing over Obama and OWS. They hate the rich, hate America and hate Israel. Basically, they believe everything the One tells them. We have to stay focused so we beat these liberal crazies, IMHO.

  19. Tina | November 28, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    This is sad. PJMedia.com discussed an affair too. None of it would have been a problem if Cain just said he wasn’t perfect, apologized, and moved on. Newt is not perfect, but voters want someone who is credible.
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    Pray tell me, Tina, why Cain should say he wasn’t perfect and apologize if he hadn’t done anything? Sometimes I don’t understand your thinking.
    Sorry. Also, Redstate and PJ Media are not all that truly conservative sites.

  20. One last thought …. let us rejoice in that Barney Frank is finally stepping down. Wonder what that is all about, but I am not complaining.

  21. Phone records, Cabby? Lots of them. Wonder what they were talking about at 4am in the morning?

  22. FOX Radio reporting request for wiretapes to be played in Blago case,

    Denied.

  23. Tina | November 28, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    Phone records, Cabby? Lots of them. Wonder what they were talking about at 4am in the morning?
    *******************************************
    Critical thinking is a great virtue. Jumping to conclusions does not fall within the purview of critical thinking. You have not heard his side of the story. I am not sticking up for him, Tina, but I am not so willing to fall off the ladder because of lots of phone calls. His story is that he was helping her financially, and from what I’ve read, she has needed it.

  24. ON at 9 pm eastern:

    “THE ANDREA SHEA KING SHOW – Capt. Pamela Barnett”

    “A large and growing number of active patriots, defenders of the Constitution, who have been laboring since before the last presidential election to show why Obama is a usurper president This brave and vocal group are making headway in their pursuit to force investigations at the state level. …”

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/askshow/2011/11/29/the-andrea-shea-king-show

  25. Totally OT,

    Posting this again because there’s been an update of sorts regarding Zero’s goals towards “Preemptive Detentions”…

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/obama-watch/obama-on-the-verge-of-getting-his-wish.html

  26. I think Cain is done, even if, he can’t see it himself. We have four cases of women claiming of harassment, one male who claims he saw some of it, the boyfriend of one woman who said she told him something happened, and now a woman claiming a long affair with phone records. You can come up with any excuse you want to protect your favored candidate or you can move on to beat Obama.

  27. newt and obama in a debate. mr presdient who was donald young and larry sinclair? game over. thats why its all a game like chess. checkmate

  28. newt to obama please explain fast and furious. no not your wife.

  29. Sorry, slow computer,

    Doug Vogt lays out a 19 point case that we may be going to war sooner than we think.

    Now we know why Zero wanted his orders implemented and what the FEMA camps were about.

    http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2011/11/war-on-horizonan-important-message-from_28.html

    Unrelated note,

    CBS News reporting Barney Frank, “the co-author of the financial reform bill after the 2008 finacial disaster”, is stepping down.

    Not a single word that he was the CAUSE of it.

  30. Cain is done. Sad.

  31. newt to obama. Who is bari shabazz?

  32. Tina you are correct about Cain.

    YOU CAN PUT A FORK IN HIM HE IS WELL DONE !

    Time to move on and beat Obama.

  33. newt to obama. audit the fed

  34. Update: Why Was the Criminal Record of Bari Shabazz Altered Nine Years After His Alleged Death…
    AND JUST BEFORE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA RAN FOR U.S. SENATE?
    by Sharon Rondeau

    (Nov. 9, 2011) — In a posting dated November 7, 2011, Atty. Mario Apuzzo reported that the criminal record of a Bari Shabazz, who apparently failed to appear in court following a car accident in Hawaii in 1982, was changed 21 years later to indicate that the charge of driving without a valid license would not be prosecuted and that the judgment had been “satisfied.”
    Shabazz’s death is reported to have been recorded in the Social Security Administration’s database as having occurred in August 1994. Why would a prosecutor in Hawaii ask a judge to expunge a criminal record of someone who had been deceased for more than two decades? How could its validity have been contested so many years after the event which it chronicled?

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/11/09/why-was-the-criminal-record-of-bari-shabazz-altered-21-years-after-his-alleged-death/

  35. Once again I have to say that people who believe information that is questionable and condemn somebody as a result are themselves as questionable as the person being accused. Rationally speaking if our commanders in the field believed the propaganda lies coming from the enemy’s radio broadcasts,WW2 would never have been won. Allegations,and/or accusations are just that. The Accused IS INNOCENT until he/she is PROVEN to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt in a court of law. HEARSAY IS JUST THAT, which is why it is NOT ADMISSABLE in any court. The court of PUBLIC OPINION is NOT A VALID COURTROOM but sadly many IGNORANT people look upon it as valid, and in so doing think UP is DOWN,and left is right. Further it is part and parcel to the reason why Soetoro was elected by these very people.

  36. oldsalt79 | November 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm |

    I agree, Old Salt, but even if it isn’t true it’s too much for him to overcome to win at this point. In my opinion. It certainly doesn’t look good.

  37. Yes, this federal judge continues to cover for Obama. He has denied the request by Blago’s attorneys to play more of the excluded wiretap recordings. What a joke. But hopeful the Wyma hearing will bear fruit.

    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/11/28/judge-denies-blagojevich-request/

  38. Paxson | November 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    oldsalt79 | November 28, 2011 at 9:25 pm |

    I agree, Old Salt, but even if it isn’t true it’s too much for him to overcome to win at this point. In my opinion. It certainly doesn’t look good.
    ***************************************
    That is what was said when the other charges were made. I told Tina, although I guess she didn’t pay attention, that I was not sticking up for Cain, BUT all of the info is not in. If these recent allegations are not true, which could well be the case, then we are jumping to conclusions about Cain’s chances. I personally have felt that he is deficient when it comes to foreign policy, but if he is a good leader and surrounds himself with well-versed people, then that would be acceptable.

    Whoever is going to get into the top tier will have to expect brutality, because Obama’s campaign team knows how and expects to play a very dirty game. I’ve read on other blogs about the moral virtues of Ron Paul. Even if he made it to the top, the attacks would be ferocious.

    Obama and his minions plan to WIN, and they will do it with whatever ammunition is necessary, including personal defamation, voter fraud, or creating a last-minute crisis as was done in 2008.

  39. You must understand that the far lefties must destroy Cain, and quickly. Cain being supported by conservatives totally blows out of the water their tired and hackneyed use of the race card. All persons of color running on the conservative side must be destroyed by Democrats. And that goes for conservative women as well. They are particularly vicious toward conservative women and persons of color. We are seeing this playing out with regard to the treatment that Cain is receiving.

  40. Earth to Herman Cain. You are done!
    This ain’t 1992, and you ain’t running in the d rat party.

  41. Tina | November 28, 2011 at 8:55 pm | I think Cain is done, even if, he can’t see it himself. We have four cases of women claiming of harassment, one male who claims he saw some of it, the boyfriend of one woman who said she told him something happened, and now a woman claiming a long affair with phone records. You can come up with any excuse you want to protect your favored candidate or you can move on to beat Obama.
    ————————————–
    And even with the polls down for Cain you seem to be the only one who’s stuck on Cain for some strange reason. You’re the one who can’t seem to “move on to beat Obama”. You’re like a broken record with your obsession with Cain. Some polls though appear to still not be so bad so I suppose your work is not yet done….carry on then since people, in your mind, can’t seem to read things for themselves and must be pushed in your “correct direction”!!

  42. Sink or swim everybody who decides to vote will take a position in so doing. Some folks decide early on who they intend to vote for and others wait until election day to make up their mind. Either way we live in a FREE COUNTRY,and it is our legal,and moral right to think any way we choose. If others object to that then the problem is with them,and not those who happen to believe something other than they do. These are people who think that their own beliefs are the absolutely true beliefs and that everybody else should believe as they do. Some of these people even go so far as to imply that people who are going to vote for somebody other than who they think that he/she supports,should not have the RIGHT TO EVEN VOTE. This attitude tells on them.

  43. Paxson ……………….
    Never try to ESTIMATE, OR GUESS at the strength of an enemy,or a DETERMINED PERSON. I wonder what everybody will say if Cain should RECOVER………even though I too think that the odds are against any chance of him recovering.

  44. Sink or swim everybody who decides to vote takes a position in so doing. Some folks decide early on who they intend to vote for,and others wait until election day to make up their mind. Either way we live in a FREE COUNTRY (at least for now) and it is our LEGAL,and moral right to think any way we choose. If others object to that then the problem is with THEM. They are people who think that they are SO SUPERIOR to everybody else that anyone else’s view is not relavent. Some of these “DO GOODERS” even think go so far as to think that anyone who would vote for some other candidate should not even have the right to vote. This sort of attitude tells on them.

  45. The only way that Soetoro will be defeated is via a UNIFIED, enlightened,and intelligent voter base. Those who try to INTIMIDATE,or otherwise interfere with voters will only strengthen the resolve of the voter against the person holding the office. But the biggest advantage still lies in KNOWING the truth at voting time. There is still a hell of a lot of people out there who think Soetoro is GOD.

  46. Old Salt, it makes me sick to my stomach.

  47. On Hannity Gingrich states he’ll debate Zero with “why is the President of the United States siding with foreign powers against South Carolina’s immigration laws?”

    Talk is cheap.

    We’ll see if Newt delivers.

    Guest Alex Jones just on Coast to Coast speaking about the imminent vote on the “Preemptive Detention” bill coming up this week.

    Next years elections may be moot.

  48. This is kind of interesting, I saw on a gossip site several months ago that a Republican candidate was waiting to throw his hat into the ring until he paid off his mistress. I thought at the time it was Newt (if it was true at all). Now it might have been Mr. Cain. I am SO disappointed in him, I have been rooting for him since before we thought he had a shot!

    I don’t know if it was a coincidence or true but wanted to share…. 🙂

  49. A MUST READ ARTICLE!!

    “THE OBAMA ELECTION CHARADE”

    By John S. Torell

    Excerpt:

    “The Jewish group controlling Barack Obama had several Jews working in different roles. The finances were backed by George Soros, a Hungarian born Jew, who has been living in the United States for many years and is known by national governments as a “terror” to national currencies. If you do a research on this multi-billionaire, you will find that a number of nations had their economy crashed, due to his currency speculation. Two nations that have suffered greatly by this man were England and Sweden.

    THE ANTICHRIST

    “The Bible tells us that in the end times before Jesus comes back; there will be a world leader sent by Satan, who will take control of the entire earth. His control will not only come from a strong military force but also by having total control of the global economy so that no one can buy or sell without being registered with his system. (Revelation chapter 13:1-18)

    The Bible calls this the Mark of the Beast. The Bible also tells us that this Antichrist, also known as the Son of Perdition, will be of Jewish descent and a homosexual. (Daniel 11:36-39)

    We also know that this world dictator will be tied to the nation of Israel and that he will rule from the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-5)”

    AFTER THE ELECTION

    “To my knowledge there are no strong born again Christians on the Obama team. Instead they are all supporters of abortion and homosexuality. They don’t speak on morality or the fact that the United States was founded on Christian principles.

    Our nation is now in the hands of men and women who have no regard for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; they despise the Son of God and scoff at the mention of the Holy Spirit. They deny that there is a literal Hell, the Bible is the Word of God, and that only through Jesus Christ is there salvation for a human being.

    America is now in the hands of the servants of the Antichrist! If there ever has been a time, now is the time to pray, fast and seek God.”

    IS THERE ANY HOPE FOR AMERICA?

    “God is in control of all things and He has allowed the current leadership to be elected. This is a judgment allowing the wicked to be put in power when God’s people have sinned and refused to repent.
    If you look upon the people of America and the rest of the Western world, there is no doubt that after 1945 we have had the greatest time of prosperity that any generation on this earth has ever seen or experienced.

    How did we use our blessings? We spent them on more and more luxuries and most people wasted their lives.

    God does not look kindly when a nation spends billions on pet food but a pitiful sum for mission work.

    Our women have spent billions of dollars on clothing, cosmetics, nail sets, etc. while the men spent billions of dollars on sports, fancy cars, gambling, prostitutes, pornography, alcohol and drugs.

    God is humbling people in America and in Western Europe but the tragedy is that the unsaved people don’t know this because most pastors won’t speak the truth. Only the people who are born again in Christ can understand this if their pastors preach the truth.

    One thing is for sure; our standard of living is going down and will stay down until God says differently. We have now come to the place that we need to be thankful if we have a job, a place to live and food to eat. God has told us what to do and we would do well to heed this Word from the Lord!

    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
    Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.” (2 Chronicles 7:12-15)

    What are you going to do?”

    Read More Here
    http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_12/oec.htm

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  50. A MUST READ ARTICLE!!

    “THE PERFECT MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE”

    By John S. Torell

    Excerpts:

    “ENTER BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”

    “WHAT IS NEXT?”

    “On the 100th day in office, Barry declared that he is “remaking America” not rebuilding it. While honoring himself at a dinner commemorating his 100 days in office, Barry spoke the following:

    “…I would like to talk about what my administration plans to achieve in the next 100 days. During the second 100 days, we will design, build and open a library dedicated to my first 100 days. I believe that my next 100 days will be so successful, that I will complete them in 72 days – and on the 73rd I will rest…” [10]

    “These are words spoken by a man with a hubris that is more inflated than those of the Emperor Nero, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Kim Jong-Il. Barry must know something that the rest of us in America don’t.

    Joseph Stalin Adolf Hitler Kim Jong Il

    Barry is currently pushing for universal health care in the United States. In a typical Marxist-Socialist fashion Barry has a new tax plan. He wants to eliminate taxes for senior citizens with income of less than $50,000 a year, raise income taxes for people making more than $250,000 per year, raise capital gains and dividend taxes, close corporate tax loopholes, lift the income cap on Social Security taxes, restrict offshore tax havens, and simplify filing of income tax returns by pre-filling wage and bank information already collected by the IRS.

    Karl Marx would have been proud of Barry and his gang for proposing such a remaking of America that will put us on equal footing with the communist nation of China. Not bad for a guy who started as a “community organizer.”

    The environment is not immune to Barry and his gang. He has proposed a cap and trade auction system to restrict carbon emissions and a ten year program of investments in new energy sources to reduce U.S. dependency on foreign oil. Barry has also proposed that all pollution credits must be auctioned, with no grandfathering of credits for oil and gas companies, and the spending of the revenue obtained on energy development and economic costs.”

    WHAT ARE THE COMMUNISTS IN RUSSIA SAYING? [About the USA since the Foreign-Terrorist Daily Serial Career Criminal, 100% Undocumented Illegal Alien, 100% non-USA citizen Obama has been criminally and illegally installed into the USA White House as the Perfect Manchurian Candidate to destroy the USA in a Coup D’Etat War from within the USA without firing a shot….]

    “During the time of the Soviet Union, Pravda was the official daily paper and mouthpiece of the Communist regime. Ironically, its name in Russian means “truth” but everybody in the Soviet Union laughed because there was nothing but lies in the paper. Pravda is still the mouthpiece for the current Russian government, and by looking at what they are saying, we can know the direction Russia is going.

    On June 2, 2009 CNSNews.com reported the following story from Pravda.

    (CNSNews.com) – A commentary published in the once-official newspaper of the Soviet Union heralded America’s “descent into Marxism” citing the United States’ takeover of General Motors, poor education standards, and the election of Barack Obama as president.

    The opinion piece in Pravda, one of the Soviet-era newspapers still published in Russia, carried the headline, ‘American Capitalism Gone with a Whimper,’ by Stanislav Mishin.

    It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath-taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hopeless sheep, excuse me dear reader, I meant people,” wrote Mishin.

    The article claimed that America’s descent took place in three stages:
    First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather than the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas than the drama in D.C. that directly affects their lives.”

    Secondly, “their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different ‘branches and denominations’ were for the most part little more than Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega-churches were more than happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the ‘winning’ side of one pseudo-Marxist politician or another.”

    It continued, “Their flocks would reject Christ in hopes of earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.”

    “The final collapse,” said the Pravda article, “has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America’s short history, but in the world. If this keeps up for more than another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Weimar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.”

    Elaborating on the Obama administration’s now-dominant control over General Motors, Mishin mentioned the firing of its CEO by the administration and now its “‘bold’ move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies.”

    Russian “Prime Minister Putin, less than two months ago, warned Obama and UK’s Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster,” the article said.”

    2 of 2

    Read More Here:
    http://www.eaec.org/newsletters/2009/vol_13/manchurian-candidate.htm

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  51. Interested Bystander

    Pat commented:

    “I am pretty sure we (R) get along with out your vote, whether it’s Romney or whomever. You seem disturbed. Peace”

    And I’m pretty sure “we” will get along just fine without little ole me also.

    I seem “disturbed” huh?

    Interesting coming from the likes of you Pat.

    Your attempt at insulting or intimidating me is a complete failure.

    Paxson,

    Don’t jump off the ship just yet.

    I’m not trying to even think I know the truth in this matter, but it sure seems to me that this woman would have “something” other than text messages from Cain.

    She had PLENTY of time to come up with more than three months of phone bills. How about a matchbook, or stationary from the Ritz-Carlton?

    How about a plane ticket?

    SOMETHING other than phone records when she ADMITS he was helping her out financially.

    The wife and I have done this MANY times helping our friends.

    I’m not willing to count Cain out just yet.

    I will wait until more evidence or lack there of comes out.

    Here’s what we have so far:

    Sharon coming forward with money grabbing lawyer Allred with NOT ONE SHRED of EVIDENCE that these two even met in DC when she CLAIMS Cain upgraded her room but supplies NO PROOF.

    I haven’t heard Cain say one way or the other if they actually had a meeting in DC.

    And although Cain is married, and I wholeheartedly disagree with messing around on your spouse, what Sharon described (and Allred called “disgusting”) was that Cain made a PASS at her which she rejected and Cain did as SHE instructed him to do which was take her back to her hotel.

    Her supposed “fiancee” simply stated that “something inappropriate” had occured on the trip and that she “had taken care of it”.

    I can’t recall whether the Doctor even said that Sharon told him that the “something” happened with Cain or not. (too tired to look it up again)

    Karen hasn’t even made known what was “supposed” to have happened. What is known about Karen would put in to question what her motivations may be.

    The third woman, who is still annonymous, and hasn’t come forward with formal allegations.

    We know BOTH of these women accepted severance packages to the tune of probably one years worth of salary, which is not uncommon if you actually look up the statistics.

    The man that has come forward, as far as I know hasn’t made any specific allegations against Cain except something about Cain making reference to a woman being about the same height as his wife.

    Now I’m no rocket scientist (just ask Pat), but until I get some solid EVIDENCE, I’m giving Cain the benefit of the doubt.

    oldsalt,

    I’m going to take some of your comments as being supportive of me.

    I appreciate your support.

    I will vote for the BEST man for the job, in my “disturbed” mind, and will NOT be intimidated by the likes of some on here.

  52. Interested Bystander

    oldsalt79 | November 28, 2011 at 11:19 pm |

    I believe that the media seems to be hell bent on destroying Cain, by ANY means necessary.

    How can you have a black conservative actualy run as President?

    IF Cain moves on to the next level, or even the level after that, I suspect the “Uncle Tom” card will be played by the media.

    They have to take Cain down, simply because conservatives can NOT vote for a black man according to our media.

    We’re racists dontcha know?

    Why do you think they keep trotting these WHITE women out?

    Just my “disturbed” opinion of course.

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