Leonard Pitts spokesman for Big Brother aka Obama attacks Trump and concerned Americans, 1984 thought police
“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
“As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of the Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in it’s stead. This process of continuation alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound tracks, cartoons, photographs–to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to be correct; nor was any item of news, or expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to be on record.”…George Orwell, “1984″
Leonard Pitts actually quoted”1984″ by George Orwell in one of his articles. However, I wonder if Pitts has read “1984” or understands it’s message. The message of a totalitarian regime, complete conformity, information and mind control. Leonard Pitts, in a recent article, revealed the Obama camp’s thought police tactics when he attacked Donald Trump and concerned Americans for asking simple questions about Obama’s eligibility and birth certificate. These are the same simple questions that the NY Times asked of John McCain early in 2008 and should have asked of Obama.
From the Miami Herald March 30, 2011.
“Donald Trump doesn’t like “birthers.” He calls the word “unfair’’ to people who don’t believe President Obama was born in the USA.
Very well, then. If not birthers, how about if we call them “morons?’’ How about ‘‘jackasses,” “imbeciles,” “idiots’’ or “doofuses?” How about “pinheads’’— or would that require a royalty to Bill O’Reilly?
I’m sorry, dear reader. Forgive me. Generally speaking, I am not much for name calling.
It lowers the level of discourse, it forestalls thoughtful response and it does not suggest an excess of class. Where the birthers are concerned, however, the level of discourse is already lower than Neptune’s basement, a thoughtful response is about as likely as Miami snow on the Fourth of July, and I will just have to chance the loss of class.”
“But this ongoing birther garbage, like the ongoing controversy about his supposed secret Muslim identity — is not about criticism. It is not about what he has done but, rather, what he is.
Like “state’s rights,” these controversies are a code, a dog whistle for those with ears to hear. They provide euphemistic cover for those who want to express alarm over the raw newness of him, the sweeping demographic changes he represents (‘‘He’s black! Oh, my God, they’ve got the presidency now!’’) without appearing uncouth enough to do so.
Memo to the morons: It doesn’t work, folks. Nobody is fooled. You are about as subtle as Lady Gaga.
It is telling that the white candidate who was, in fact, not born in the USA (Sen. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, if anyone is interested) did not face these questions, while the black one who was born in Hawaii has been unable to escape them.
This, even though Obama provided his birth certificate and its authenticity has repeatedly been vouched for by Hawaiian officials.”
“This, even though his Aug. 4, 1961 birth was noted by contemporaneous (memo to the morons: that means it happened at the time) birth announcements in not one, but two Hawaii newspapers. What’d he do? Jump in a time machine, zip back to the ’60s and plant the notices? ”
Read more:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/03/29/2140199/donald-trump-and-the-birthers.html
Speaking of Morons.
Put Leonard Pitts at the top of the list.
He has no command of the facts about Obama’s birth and birth certificate and his best response is to attack anyone questioning Obama, despite the fact that McCain had real documentation and presented it when challenged.
First of all Obama has presented no legitimate birth certificate as McCain did. The questionable Certification of Live Birth, which does not prove Hawaii birth, was never authenticated or proved to have come from the State of Hawaii.
Then Pitts pulls an O’Reilly and mentions the birth announcement being in two newspapers. First of all, they had a reciprocal agreement which means that an ad in one automatically went in the other. Secondly, they were the announcement of a birth, not a birth certificate, without documenting location, date and time.
The way that Donald Trump and many others have been attacked for asking simple questions about Obama reminds me of the Two Minute hate in “1984.”
“As usual, the face of Emmanuel Goldstein, the Enemy of the people, had flashed onto the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience. The little sandyhaired woman gave a squeak of mingled fear and disgust. Goldstein was the renegade and backslider who once, long ago (how long ago, nobody quite remembered), had been one of the leading figures of the party, almost on a level with Big Brother himself, and then had engaged in counterrevolutionary activities , had been condemned to death, and had mysteriously escaped and disappeared. The program of the Two Minutes Hate varied from day to day, but there was none in which Goldstein was not the principal figure. He was the primal traitor, the earliest defiler of the Party’s purity. All subsequent crimes against the Party, all treacheries, acts of sabotage, heresies, deviations, sprang directly out of his teaching. Somewhere or other he was still alive and hatching his conspiracies: perhaps somewhere beyond the sea, under the protection of his foreign paymasters; perhaps even–so it was occasionally rumored–in some hiding place in Oceania itself.”
“Goldstein was delivering his usual venomous attack upon the doctrines of the Party–an attack so exaggerated and perverse that a child should have been able to see through it, and yet just plausible enough to fill one with an alarmed feeling that other people, less level-headed than oneself, might be taken in by it. He was abusing Big Brother, he was denouncing the dictatorship of the Party, he was demanding the immediate conclusion of peace with Eurasia, he was advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought”
“Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room.”
“In it’s second minute the Hate rose to a frenzy. People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices”
Citizen WElls 
usapatriots-shout | April 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
… if Trump runs it is in the best interest of the country for Trump to run on the Republican ticket.
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I agree we do not need a spoiler like Perot in 1992.
usapatriots-shout | April 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
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I understand your feelings and I have been a Republican all my life. Ross Perot was tempting. My only argument is that it is becoming more evident everyday that both parties have fallen into the eligibility trap and their(both parties) disdain for Trump because of his Birther stand proves it. Let’s face it – If more than 50% of the nation believes he is legitimate we are sunk. If more than 50% believe he is ineligibile(Obama) I then think it would be a landslide.
Both parties have doubters, but they wont become members of the opposite party through family loyalty, history etc. BUT they would go to a Constitution party because it stands FOR THE RULE OF LAW of our nation. In my lifetime I have never seen two parties frightened by an individual contender like this. The country is begging for optimism and that will be the only thing in my opinion that can save us.
BEAT THE DEPRESSION WITH A TRUMP CAIN
If you go to – ms. helga | April 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
You can see what I wrote to Oldsalt79.
Thanking You For Your Interest
ms. helga
Leonard Pitts:
“It is telling that the white candidate who was, in fact, not born in the USA (Sen. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, if anyone is interested) did not face these questions, while the black one who was born in Hawaii has been unable to escape them.”
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“JOURNOLIST attacked McCain’s citizenship in 2008”
“The JOURNOLIST, a group comprised of 400+ mainstream media reporters, left-wing activists, and other liberal elitists who committed criminal fraud to ensure Obama’s election. In 2008, the JOURNOLIST relentlessly attacked John Mc’Cain’s citizenship AT THE SAME TIME that Obama’s was being questioned by conservatives. Every media outlet in the country questioned whether of not McCain was a natural-born citizen. Not only did they avoid disucssing Obama’s natural-born citizenship status, they attacked anyone who did.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFLWv_rZQV4
usapatriots-shout | April 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm | … if Trump runs it is in the best interest of the country for Trump to run on the Republican ticket.
==============================I agree we do not need a spoiler like Perot in 1992.
By Plains Girl on April 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm
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We definitely don’t need a third party candidate putting another clinton in our White House.
President Barack Obama’s First Ad of 2012
President Barack Obama is proud of his record of accomplishment. Watch his first ad of the 2012 campaign brought to you by the National Republican Senatorial Committee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA5aszzA18&feature=player_embedded
PS – Remember that the woman who spoke out in Congrss when they read the the Constitution in the new 112th congress, and when it came to the rules to be eligible to run run for President she yelled out “Not Obama” – Theresa Cao?
Her Anagram is “OH A CHEATER”
My only response – The Republican Party got snookered by the Democrat Party in regards to the McCain eligibility controversy. They caved. As old Casey Stengel used to say “you can look it up.”
I just did a google “News” on Donald Trump. – Just listen to these headlines-
1. Glenn Beck Criticizes Donald Trump
2. Donald Trump gets his own morning slot on Fox News (NO WONDER GLENN IS NERVOUS)
3. Should Donald Trump Accept Oprah’s Makeover Offer? (You have to know he is creating trouble with this headline)
4. How Donald Trump Can Become President
5. Etc,etc.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=gsqvh&xhr=t&q=donald+trump&cp=3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=17ed3e5809e1fef0
Dr.Alan Keyes Speaks About Obama’s Eligibility Question 3-29-11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUTvCiNduv8
Attorney Taitz Discusses Obama’s Eligibility & Social Security Number – 4/1/2011
Sharpton To Trump – Oh You Racist – Sharpton Plays The Race Card
68Truthseeker | April 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
Sharpton To Trump – Oh You Racist – Sharpton Plays The Race Card
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THIS IS WHY HERMAN CAIN MUST BE ON THE TICKET – Beside the fact he is a wonderful and successful businessman and believes there are questions concerning the eligibility of O. HE IS NOT A POLITICIAN!!
BEAT THE DEPRESSION WITH A TRUMP CAIN
Here for only one post. Watching game.
I’m liking Michele Bachmann more and more. She smart (tax attorney), brave, and the libs will make too much of a fool of themselves going after her and Trump.
She came in second in straw poll in SC and Colorado I believe. Gotta go.
. Here for only one post. Watching game.
I’m liking Michele Bachmann more and more. She smart (tax attorney), brave, and the libs will make too much of a fool of themselves going after her…
She came in second in straw poll in SC and Colorado I believe. Gotta go.
By Zach Jones on April 2, 2011 at 5:23 pm
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I agree! Bachmann reminds me of Maggie Thatcher! She is raising more money and getting more support than any other Repub.
Go Bulldogs!
The best 20 bucks I spent!Done watching the movie!Go out and buy it!Wow!!!!How do these people sleep at night???????
Losing Faith in Michele Bachmann as a Tea Party Leader in Congress
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/03/losing-faith-in-michele-bachmann-as-tea.html
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14261-Tea-Party-Caucus-Leader-Michele-Bachmann-Votes-for-PATRIOT-Act!
President Bush and Barbara are at the Butler Game.
I HAVE TWO WORDS TO SAY TO AL SHARPTON:
TAWNA BRAWLEY!!!
first off, it really frosts me when the O-bots hang the racist card on the birthers… I don’t care about color… I care about integrity.
– when your 1st action as an (illegal)POTUS is seal your records, it should have been a wakeup call to even his supporters!
As for Trump, the one thing I like him to know: focus on ALL the eligibility claims. As soon as you saw “Birth Certificate”- the response is the “the racist birthers”
He needs to bring up: (yes I know I preaching to the choir here, but I want Donald’s people to read it)
1. O’s dual citizenship at birth (Dad & son are british subjects) isn’t a Natural Born Citizen
2. What was O’s citizenship status while living in Indonesia? If as alleged he was indonesian citizen Barry (& did he or did he not re-naturalize?) Either way, if as alleged, negated any hope of qualifying as “natural born”.
I really think if we can get Trump (or anybody) to get THESE points out past the media blockade… O’ would be falling fast…
– cause he can’t lie about these facts… they are in his own(?) book!
Free Terry Lakin!
Free Terry Lakin!
By RickC on April 2, 2011 at 6:34 pm
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Amen!
RickC – The sooner the USURPER is gone the sooner LtC Lakin gets freed. Every lawyer in the world will want to represent him. There is blood in the water.
Tawana Brawley,
Duke LaCrosse,
The Tea Party SpitGate Scandal…
“I’ve seen the tape!”
GBAmerica | April 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
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Do they mention the Glass – Steagell act in this movie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act
10 grand to your favorite charity/race benefit, Al,
Where’s the goods?
Bulldogs Win!
ms.helga,
Oh yes!They started all the way back in the 80’s!They all need to go to jail!!The American people need and have to buy that movie!It explains everything!It does not matter if they were Republican or Democratic Party they all knew!!It is definitely a Wallstreet government!Foreclosures being done on the American people when they could have been saved they did not care at all.They knew it was coming and turned there backs on us!
Inside Job
Directed by Charles Ferguson
I will not support or vote Republican or Democrat!!!I’m going with the Constitution Party!Neither one of those parties are for the hard working NATURAL BORN AMERICAN!!Mccain was not a natural born citizen either!The Law is the Law!
Why Senator John McCain Cannot be President: Eleven Months and a Hundred Yards Short of Citizenship
http://www.michiganlawreview.org/articles/why-senator-john-mccain-cannot-be-president-eleven-months-and-a-hundred-yards-short-of-citizenship
Both parties knew and did absolutely nothing!How in the world do these people sleep at night with all of this fraud??
President Kennedy warned us!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&feature=mr_meh&list=PLB2730E6491221E9C&index=35&playnext=0
Aussie | April 2, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
@Paxson, Indymac and Cabby,
the group known as FOS were banned
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Great News!
ms helga,
So did President Eisenhowser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcrnUuPa5I&playnext=1&list=PLB627F549C70E573C
Greetings everyone,
Something huge going on now with the birth announcements. See this place: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html
And also ladysforest’s blog: http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/its-a-page-turner/#comments
I don’t have Photoshop, but if someone else does, go there and see Mike’s instructions on what to do. This is killing me, have to know what’s happening.
Free Speech | April 2, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
usapatriots-shout | April 2, 2011 at 3:13 pm | … if Trump runs it is in the best interest of the country for Trump to run on the Republican ticket.
==============================I agree we do not need a spoiler like Perot in 1992.
By Plains Girl on April 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm
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We definitely don’t need a third party candidate putting another clinton in our White House.
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Ditto!
the group known as FOS were banned
Oh my gosh. That is an acronym just begging to be spelled out!
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html
Saturday, April 2, 2011
FINAL REPORT: Obama’s Birth Announcements Fail To Indicate “Natural Born” Status
A new investigation of Obama’s birth announcements appearing in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers in August, 1961 shows, conclusively, they were the result of a registration record taken by the municipal health authority, not a medically verified “Live” birth documented as occurring at a Hawaiian hospital, per an officially defined “vital event” by the U.S. Department of Health, National Vital Statistics Division protocols.
By Penbrook Johannson
Editor of the Daily Pen
In August, 1961, two announcements allegedly showing a “native” birth for Barack Obama were published in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers, the Sunday Advertiser and the Honolulu Star. For more than three years since Obama engaged his unvetted candidacy for the presidency, many of his supporters have lauded these blurbish announcements as the “holy grail” of proof that he was born in the state of Hawaii.
However, a detailed investigation of the history and procedures used by Hawaii’s municipal health department, and its relationship with the newspapers, shows that not only was it a matter of official policy that Obama’s birth would have been announced in the paper regardless of where he was born, the information used to publish the announcements is not even confirmed through any eye-witness medical authority or hospital in the state.
Also, in 1961, the two newspapers shared the same address and facility which means they received only one copy of the same vital records information from the Department of Health. Therefore, the format and content of information used in public announcements were published identically by both papers, including any mistakes, omissions, order or context, and no investigation was carried out by the editors to determine if the information provided by the DOH was actually accurate. The two newspapers have long since collaborated into one organization.
Now, however, collaborative information from the archive of the U.S. Department of Health’s 1961 Report on Vital Statistics of the U.S – Volume 1: Natality, and Hawaii’s Administrative rules governing the creation of vital records finally reveals the truth about how these announcements were published and why they are mistakenly used by pundits to promote a misguided message about Obama.
The Daily Pen’s, Dan Crosby, engaged a two month long research project on location in Hawaii, to, once and for all, close the door on questions about the facts and bring the long-due invalidation of the authority of these fallow Hawaiian birth announcements in quaint newspapers to support Obama’s eligibility to be president.
Recall, for more than two years, major media personalities, such as Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and recently fired, Keith Olbermann have enjoyed poking fun with the announcements essentially saying to their viewers that the very presence of these announcements means one of only two exclusive options: 1. They are a legitimate and accurate indication of Obama’s geographic birth in Hawaii, or 2. They are the result of some crazy 50-year-long conspiracy concocted by members of Obama’s family and newspaper editors at the time in order to enable Obama to use the announcements some time later as primary evidence that he was born in Hawaii in the event he might run for president some day.
In his investigation, Crosby found confirmed and easily accessible evidence that neither of these choices apply to Obama’s records. In fact, the explanation is far less sensational and simple that it reveals that Mr. Obama (Soetoro) simply benefitted from a commonly used practice in the state of Hawaii applied for thousands of births which were registered there, but which did not occur there.
“The birth announcements were printed from unconfirmed information provided to the Newspapers by the Department of Health without the DOH or newspaper editors confirming the actual location of the birth with any hospital in Hawaii,” says Crosby in a phone call from Oahu, “I found thousands of birth registration records of children born outside of Hawaii who have their announcements published in these two newspapers by cross referencing the announcements with the U.S. Department of Health Vital Records Report for Hawaii.”
Recall that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows the state Health Department to register the foreign birth of any child as a native Hawaiian birth if the parents of that child can be proven to the satisfaction and criteria of the Director of the Department of Health only, they were residence of Hawaii within one year of the birth, regardless of the location of the birth. This law then mandates that the vital records registrar must register the birth with the vital records office in coordination with an official, original Hawaiian birth record.
“They (newspaper editors) don’t confirm “native” birth status,” continued Crosby, “The newspaper doesn’t care if the birth occurred in the local hospital. They don’t even print that. They merely published information provided to them directly and exclusively from the Department of Health in 1961, which means that any birth meeting the criteria of this law can be registered, and therefore published in a newspaper announcement.”
“The birth location is mistakenly implied by people because it appears in this newspaper. I also found several birth records in Japan for birth’s registered in Hawaii.” A review of all the birth announcements in Hawaii in 1961 reveals other evidence suggesting a disconnect between the Department of Health and Hawaii’s hospitals.
First of all, as shown by Crosby, all the announcements show the parents as married and living at the same address.
“This is not merely a majority of the announcements, this is actually all of them. Every single one! Approximately 16,000 in all!” Crosby said.
He continued, “This is a significant indication that the newspapers actually do not investigate the information provided by the DOH (Department of Health). If they did, they would have seen that there are more than 1000 births recorded in Hawaii in 1961 in which the parents were not married and/or only the mother is recorded as the parent, yet the papers still publish Mr. and Mrs. ‘Whoever’ in the announcement because that is the information registered, not medically verified.”
If the DOH doesn’t include accurate information about the parents for birth announcements, in all cases, what makes people conclude a native birth even though the DOH also omits accurate information about the location of the birth, as well? Crosby also discovered that the announcements are in a tale-tell order which exposes a shocking fact about Obama’s birth announcements.
“Did anyone notice the announcements are not in any alphabetic order, or in order of birthdate? This is because, in 1961, birth registration numbers were issued based on the location of the local Vital Records office in which the registration was recorded. The hospital does not assign these numbers, the DOH does. It appears that Obama’s birth was registered in an office not used by any of the birth registrations offices who received birth certification from either Kapi-olani Medical Center, or Queens Medical Center which use two local offices near those facilities,” said Crosby.
He continued, “It appears Obama’s birth was registered with the satellite office near his grandparent’s home some distance from the offices nearest to and most used by the hospitals. This particular office was commonly used by indigenous people of Hawaii wanting to record births of children outside of the city. This is why the U.S. Department of Health created the Certificate of Live Birth template in 1959 with a check box indicating whether or not the child was born in the city limits and if the residence of the mother was a farm or not. It appears Obama’s birth at least did not occur in the city of Honolulu and, at most, did not even occur in the state of Hawaii.”
In 1956, the National Vital Statistics Division of the U.S. Department of Health issued a revised template version of the “Certificate of Live Birth” form to be used by state municipalities to record and medically verify births. Since Hawaii had not yet become a state, these revisions to the template would not be used in Hawaii until 1959. Therefore, birth records created after 1959 were subject to demographic clarifications and metrics prescribed by the federal authority of the U.S. Department of Health, not the state of Hawaii.
“This also explains why Obama’s birth announcements appear in the succession of announcements where and when they do. His alleged “Certification of Live Birth” is not approved by any federal authority as an official source of demographic data or medical verification of his birth. It is merely a record of birth registration. Therefore, the order of printing of announcements in the local papers comes directly from the list which is ordered based on the birth registration office location, not the chronological or alphabetical order of the medically verified birth.”
Crosby’s says the difference between “medically verified” and “registration” are significant. He interviewed former Vital Records Adminstration, Martin Hesch in order to gain understanding of the different procedures and authorities used to create vital records and public announcements in a medical verification process as opposed to merely registering a vital event with a municipal office.
“I think people simply want to believe a simple equation to this issue,” said Hesch, when asked why he thought so many people ignorantly believe what they are told about Obama’s records.
“That is why they think that a birth announcement in a local paper is somehow an automatic indication of a local birth. Unfortunately, they wrongly accept a locally appearing birth announcement as an indication of medically confirmed ‘local birth’ and that just simply is not the way it is in most cases in Hawaii in early part of its history. The media also wants Barack Obama’s natal circumstances and documentation to fit the traditional record model because it is too disturbing to them to think that they were so easily deceived… but we also now know they do not fit this model.”
Hesch went on to explain that there two primary authorities to consider when understanding vital records administration. First, you have the medical verification of a vital event, like a birth or death, and you have the administrative process which documents, records and files them.
“Birth events and deaths are unique because they require medical verification in the form of official original documentation attested by a medical authority, and, most importantly, the possession of that original documentation is maintained by the local authority,” says Hesch.
“However, an administrative process such as that used in birth registrations (not medical verifications), marriages, divorces or amendments to vital records are presided over by legislative rule, not medical standards. This means that they are not exclusive to some originating medical authority. That is not to say that a judge in a divorce case would not require a medical record in making legal decisions, it just means that the standards used to document administrative processes are different than those used to document a medically verifiable vital event in the U.S.”
Hesch explained this is why it is possible to publish a birth announcement for a non-native birth. The announcements in the newspapers are the result of the registration records held by the administrative authority, not the records created by the medical authority.
“The birth announcement is automatically triggered by the creation of the registration through administrative process, when the municipal record is provided to the newspaper, not the creation of a medical verification record by a medical doctor or hospital,” he said.
“The birth can actually occur anywhere and if the announcement does not disclose the location, there is no way to know from just the public announcement whether the vital event is a local occurrence or not.”
Hesch’s explanation brings clarity to Obama’s birth announcements. Conclusively, Obama’s birth was registered in the state of Hawaii, but the announcements were not an indication that it was medically verified as occurring there.
“So, let me get this straight. People who think that Obama’s birth announcements mean that he was born in Hawaii actually believe that the newspaper editors of the 1960’s received thousands of different notices from thousands of different doctors from multiple hospitals and villages throughout Hawaii and then they organized them in some highly coordinated manner for publication in non-computerized publishing system?” asked Hesch, incredulously.
“That is utterly ridiculous,” he continued, “that is why the DOH pools this information and provided it for public announcements and why the newspapers accepted the information from the DOH without verifying the facts. The verification process would have been staggering and so time intensive for the newspaper deadlines.”
“If people would turn off the T.V. and just investigate this stuff for five minutes, they would feel stupid when they realize how simple and unimpressive the reality is,” he said.
In fact, the evidence shows that the original medical verification, in the form of what would be a U.S. Certificate of Live Birth signed by an attending physician and attested by a hospital administrator, simply does not exist in a form or content which would promote Obama’s “natural born status”.
Hesch agreed that there is probably information in the original medical birth record which undermines Obama’s identity as a politician and that is the reason why Obama is refusing to disclose it.
“Oh, sure, he is hiding something,” he said, “that is a fact and that is the only reason NOT to disclose it. Because, if the original medical record supported his current identity, he would be stupid to keep it hidden. It would only support him in that case.”
When asked his opinion about Obama’s case, Hesch said that is a certainty in his mind that Obama’s birth documentation was subjected to administrative processes or amendments and that his medically verified natal records show information that the local vital records authority is able to protect under law under the guise of identity protection.
“Of course, it’s ridiculous,” said Hesch, “the Secret Service is not required here. This is natal information which occurred 50 years ago, not a public appearance where the president is under any threat. The only reason to hide the original record is to protect something Obama doesn’t want people to know about him and how that information adversely impacts his ability to be president. It’s plain and simple to me.”
In the medical verification process, a registered professional of a federal board must document the circumstances and metrics of a birth. However, the administrative process used to the document the event for municipal purposes is not bound by medical requirements to accurately express those same circumstances because the vital records data is applied under different authoritative functions. Census reports, vital records reports and demographic data serve a different purpose than health report data. Hesch explained that the reasons for this level of administrative complexity comes from Hawaii’s historically plural culture where you have indigenous, native Oceanic, Asian and, of course, American peoples mixing in the population. Since Hawaii is unique in this and that it was a remote, detached territory prior to becoming a part of the U.S., it was necessary to “customize” much of their vital records processes in order to include all those who would be eligible for U.S. citizenry after the island nation became a state. This meant that including non-native births was necessary because the islands of Hawaii were so permeable to migration.
Therefore, it has now been confirmed by authorities in Hawaii and abroad that Obama’s birth announcements appeared in two local Hawaiian newspapers without the birth having been medically verified as occurring in Hawaii. The announcements are automatically triggered from information provided by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Therefore, since we already know that Hawaii’s Health Department registered foreign births, the announcements would include births for these registrations as well, along with local birth registrations.
As a final statement to Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and the remaining ignorant slew of media hacks, we would like to say this:
Your failure to investigate these facts has undermined your profession and made you look pathetically wanton as journalists. If you would have taken just two more steps in your shallow observations, just one more level down into the actual truth, you have come to the same facts about Obama’s natal history as the internet community has. Instead, you chose to glance at the drive-by message and believe what some deceitful political animal told you about the matter. Now, Obama has made you look like a fool.
Posted by Penbrook One at 5:50 AM
the group known as FOS were banned
Oh my gosh. That is an acronym just begging to be spelled out!
By Rosemary Woodhouse on April 2, 2011 at 8:27 pm
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LOL!
🙂
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
Bill Cutting…You and FS are borderline insane… There is something seriously wrong with you.
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Paxson,
I am not going to let you get away with telling vicious lies about good people.
You owe Michelle, Bill Cutting, FS and others apologies for all the despicable lies that you have told about them.
I’ve already addressed this on the thread below. Talk about a circular mindset. CW?
paxson,
Stop harassing other people!
Hey Paxson,
Why does your 8:04 PM post not appear? Likewise, where is Aussie’s 7:26 PM post?
These posts are referred to, but have disappeared.
Something very fishy going on here…
I never said Bill Cutting was borderline insane. I Don’t Have any particular problems With him. He thinks I’m naive, but that’s OK. Its his OPINION.
FS pulling the Alinsky. Accusing others of what he himself does. He and PG working now as a duo. Disgusting.
Indy. It is my opinion that they may either be alcoholics, which as a Rutgers I’m no saint, or just evil. Pick your poison.
Bill Cutting | March 21, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
Obots tired of BHO, like to paint HRC as mainstream.
Obot’s like to show up on conservative blogs heap praise on blog owner, claim to be long time lurkers and then attack regular conservative commentors.
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Paxson | March 21, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
“Hillary… is looking like Barry frigging Goldwater to me right now. She’s the only grown up in the room and as much I disliked her policies at one time, there is no doubt that she is an American and loves our country…”
Paxson, I’ll go with plain evil. Alcoholics would have a problem with all the cutting and pasting they do.
It’s apparent that they’re working off the same book. Notice how they (he/she) is pushing the same attack lines against Paxson.
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
… they may either be alcoholics, which as a Rutgers I’m no saint, or just evil. Pick your poison.
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paxson, if you are an alcoholic, you should join AA or get admitted to a treatment center. You’re alcoholic rage is not appreciated here.
I am not going to let you get away with telling vicious lies about good people.
You owe Michelle, Bill Cutting, FS and others apologies for all the despicable lies that you have told about them.
PG has a similar style to the banned JS.
indy,
Js? Not me you silly boy.
🙂
Indy. I meant to say rugger. My android changes words. “They” Have been looking for a fight all day. I think FS pulled an all nighter last night based on his posting activities. Who knows ? Either way they are definitely burdens.
PG, all I said was you have a similar style. You may or may not be her. It doesn’t matter as your agenda is clearly the same, to undermine the forum.
Paxson,
Monitoring FS sleeping habits are you now?
I am not a psychiatrist but that just might be a wee bit obsessive. You might want to talk to a psychiatrist who can admit you to a hospital that treats mental disorders and alcoholism.
Gee, isn’t it a coincidence. JS poisoned the blog with her constant unprovoked attacks on posters such as Paxson. Now suddenly PG is here to take her place.
Good night boys.
Paxson, get some help for your alcoholism.
indy, grow up silly boy.
SueK | April 2, 2011 at 9:13 pm |
Hey Paxson,
Why does your 8:04 PM post not appear? Likewise, where is Aussie’s 7:26 PM post?
These posts are referred to, but have disappeared.
Something very fishy going on here…
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Hi, SueK – You will find them on the thread just below this one.
Plains Girl | April 2, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
…..I am not a psychiatrist but that just might be a wee bit obsessive. You might want to talk to a psychiatrist who can admit you to a hospital that treats mental disorders and alcoholism.
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You are not a psychiatrist, but YOU certainly need one!
I’m not an alcoholic, nor a saint. Just made an observation.
indymac | April 2, 2011 at 9:42 pm |
Gee, isn’t it a coincidence. JS poisoned the blog with her constant unprovoked attacks on posters such as Paxson. Now suddenly PG is here to take her place.
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Just to clear this up: PG is NOT JS!! We have here a case of multiple personalities. Don’t you get it?
SueK | April 2, 2011 at 9:13 pmHey Paxson,
Why does your 8:04 PM post not appear? Likewise, where is Aussie’s 7:26 PM post?
These posts are referred to, but have disappeared.
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Those posts are from the previous thread.
I know, it’s hard to follow the conversation when there is so much repetition and bickering going on. It really is annoying and I wish that FS would realize how disruptive the criticism and mocking is to those of us who come here to be informed. Some of the information he brings here is good but my time has limits and I find myself scrolling through everything he writes. He defeats everything worthy he brings to the blog. He insults Paxson and others and they retaliate. Then they go blows and we have Friday night at the fights again. You know what? I’m too old to have to put up with this nonsense. I don’t know why I come here. It’s depressing. I need to get a life.
Cabby – AZ | April 2, 2011 at 9:55 pm
LMAO!
indymac | April 2, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
Yeah, you DO get it!!
Yeah, Cabby, it’s just like Sybil!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(1976_film)
Cain: Public Now Sees Obama’s Weakness – He’s Beatable in 2012
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/HermanCain-BarackObama-2012PresidentialElection/2011/04/02/id/391546
Cabby, indy, etal
That was quite a show put on last night and apparently throughout the day. Do you think many were fooled?
I have a count of three for the multiple personalities.
There is indeed a similarity between JS and PG…. but I think that PG is an alter ego for FS.
This blog is being spoiled because of the mania of one person who is now using at least 2 alter egos.
Hi Cabby, Jonah, and indy,
Thanks. I only pop on occasionally to see if anything has changed and unfurtunately, it hasn’t.
This used to be a nice place to come to share like ideas, get news and read different opinions; it no longer is. All the regular postes have left. I wonder why?
Regarding Jackie, we have been in touch for years. She was not banned. She just got very tired of the hostility, as most of us have. Many who are being called ‘banned’ are not; they’re just sick of coming here and rather than getting info, end up being called out and humiliated by some who are supposedly on the same team.
This is no longer a nice place to be. I do read the articles which are very good, but have no interest in getting involved with the hostility and name calling. If you’ve noticed, I only post about Fukushima, the flu, earthquakes and tsunamis, which have nothing to do with the topic but are important. This keeps me out of the fray.
And for me, that’s a good place to be.
SueK,
Amen….
Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 10:27 pm |
I doubt that too many are fooled when they see the m.o. of the repetitiveness. How could anyone be fooled by such a performance? 🙂
SueK | April 2, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
JS wasn’t banned? But as I recall she was on the attack day and night (calling posters such as myself anti-American nazis and the like) and then one day suddenly disappeared and someone noted that she’d been banned. Based on her egocentric raging obsessiveness I am skeptical that she’d just decide to quit posting without making some kind of big deal out of it beforehand.
Jonah | April 2, 2011 at 9:56 pm |
If only CW would open his eyes and have a really good look at WHO is causing all of the problems then this place would be a lot better.
One person with alter egos has been poisoning this blog for a long time. It is the same repetitive nonsense day in and day out.
The way that I see this problem: the repetitive posting gives a false and bad impression about those who read at CW. That false impression is such that many are being dismissed as kooks, even when we disagree with some of the content.
It used to be the cRAP stuff that was bombarding the blog, then recently it was stuff about the old smelly britches RP. That stuff was incessant. On top of that there have been a series of postings from a person with alter egos who has been posting stuff that is designed to create hysteria.
Some of you have no idea that this kind of stuff creates a very bad impression with regard to Americans as a whole. It looks very bad when people go all hysterical over some issues. This includes the variety of attacks on people such as HRC and now DT.
For the record, I have never been a fan of HRC. I think that she is not very good as the SoS. I have watched her make many blunders, starting with the stupid idea of the reset button. I also see Østupid as being extremely weak, which is a very bad thing, because this encourages our enemies to think that they can attack without fear of being punished.
I have my own positions, and I am not tied to agreeing with Americans on everything… in fact I do not agree on some very important issues. On the other hand I have an affinity because of my cousins who are Americans (native born, but they are not NBC because my aunt was not an American citizens when they were born).
indymac | April 2, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
If she was not banned the first time when she got out of control over the cRAP stuff, then from what I saw she was banned recently.
What I do not get is why SueQ was banned for simply asking a question because other people raised the issue in the first place.
I am trying to retaliate less. But the poking is relentless. I have been trying to be a bit more whimsical, but That only feeds the fire. Their obsession over things That aren’t real is amazing .. even if it were real, their methods Are so unsavory that it would lend sympathy to even the worst of the obots out there.
paxson,Ijust got finished watching the bball game. Uconn won. I having a glass of milk and I will be going to sleep soon. Please don’t freak out if I wake up on the middle of the night and start posting again.
LOL!
🙂
Anyone know why Ladyhawke was banned?
Aussie | April 2, 2011 at 10:50 pm |
Did the question have to do with a legal issue of a certain poster here? It must have been the “question that shall not be asked”. Your guess is as good as mine as to why that would be.
indymac | April 2, 2011 at 10:40 pm |
No, indy, she was not.
She just got tired of all the BS.
Only the blog owner knows who was banned and who wasn’t…
Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
She was?
SueK, well anyway I’m glad she got tired of all the BS (that she flung).
Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
Yes, Metaphorica; she tried to post a comment to try to ‘get to the truth’ and was banned for it. She did some research and came up with some interesting observations, but she seems to have ventured into ‘forbidden territory.’
indymac | April 2, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
Believe me, indy, I understand your point. There are many undercurrents there that I can’t share.
I guess we all move on…
does anyone know how to contact LadyHawke?
Curious minds want to know
We do move on as we should and I don’t want to comment on JS when she’s not here to defend herself. But She was another egg that wasn’t capable of being critically challenged without going into hyperbolic overdrive of repetitive nonsense. I even conceded some points to her on Ron Paul, bit she was So focused on fighting That it went over her head.
kittycat,
I’ve been watching that other website. Interesting stuff.
I don’t know for sure where obama was born but I do know that he is a fraud.
Open Letter to Roger Ailes, President of Fox News Channel
YOU HAVE SOLD OUT YOUR COUNTRY FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR by Sharon Rondeau (Mar. 30, 2011) — The following letter will be sent to…
Mar 30 2011 / 52 comments / Read More »
Just more PROOF that Obama was born in Kenya:
AND much more here: http://www.youtube.com/user/KenyanBornObamAcorn#g/u
Sue K,
Actually Ladyhawke found out that she was banned when she tried to post the message you referred to. It seems that her last and apparently banned for message was this:
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Wow! I get back later than I expected And FS has gone more than bizerk!
Great Job Cabby and Paxson, holding down the fort! The crazed attack seems relentless – as if FS has no time to sleep.
Trump will still prevail – the comments of someone so small as to be likened to bacteria deserve no comment. FS is that small.
__________________
It seems pretty benign to me, considering what has gone on here.
Metaphorica, why not ask Ladyhawke if she can try posting again. Maybe it’s a glitch.
I think Ladyhawke did post an email address when she suggested the ban. It is probably back couple of weekends or so ago.
indymac,
She has tried. Her messages go to moderation and disappear.
I’ll go look for her public email address.
Aussie | April 2, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
I do, Aussie. If you ask for my e-mail here, I’ll be glad to send it.
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Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
Metaphorica, that was JJ and she posted her addy for all the world to see a few threads ago….
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indymac | April 2, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
Indy, she sent me an e-mail with the text that was banned and said she was banned. I assume that’s so.
OK, when ladyhawke suggested the boycott, she posted this email address:
s.gladfelty@gmail.com
Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
No, that wasn’t it. It had to do with research she had done; she added 1+1 and came out with a revelation.
I guess that wasn’t appreciated…
Metaphorica | April 2, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
Try that, Metaphorica; that’s not the one I have.
Please, anyone, ask CW for my e-mail if you’d like to chat off line.
Hi, Folks – Have had a busy, eventful day, and am back for a brief spell.
Let me just add something here. In life there are times when things seem like a riddle, because most of those times we don’t know ALL of the facts involved. I feel that THIS situation we now face falls in that category. Some of it is obvious, but the underlying cause(s) are hidden from us. If we pursue answers and probe too much, it will not be beneficial. We must leave it at that for now, imho.
Today was especially bad. Last night I started feeling good about things again. I think FS was up all night last night based on his postings. He appears to be a very troubled person. I would have empathy if he would take his foot off of the gas once in a while. But he doubles down even more the next day. Rarely he does have a conciliatory demeanor, but they are getting further and further apart. CW is loyal to a fault and h tried to tell us, without divulging, that he has empathy for the shoes that FS walks in. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that the chaos in his life is completely self generated and he is completely unwilling to slow down and do some self reflection.
This is just my opinion.
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Hello Ladyhawk.
Apparently I am no longer always in moderation, thinking I was banned! I will have to process this and compose something intelligent and germane.
All the best to everyone!
Hi Paxson! Many of us appreciate your postings and have your back.
I am still do not understand what happened to me.
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I’m only stil here for CW.
Metaphorica,
She’s back! 🙂
Paxson,
CW has created an awesome place here where many can gather and have a great discussion – and speaking for myself, learn a lot. That has happened even during times I could not participate and just read.
I do not know what happened to me over the last several days, but I am delighted to be able to post again as I thought I was banned forever,
The attacks on you are relentless and intolerable. Just remember that many – most likely most – of us support you.
I had several comments go to moderation. They were all posts, I believe, That cutbacks little too close to the bone On FS. That being said, somethings need to be pointed out. I know That duel respects JS, so That means something to me. But to me, she had taken her political view points up to the level of terrorism. Some here don’t realize how close we Are to taking back our country. But there are those consumed by self sabatoge.
Hey, Ladyhawke – Glad to see you back! You were missed, that’s for sure. Maybe we can get back into having some useful, informative discussions about the serious matters we face. There is certainly a lot going on these days.
My damn android has a mind of it’s own.
I Have been cursed with always looking for a silver lining. Even when none exist, unfortunately.
Paxson,
As I also have an android phone – I agree. It seems to post everything I do not want to communicate. I gave up on letting the phone have that option. LOL!
Cabby, Thanks for the welcome back! I welcome joining the conversation about Trump. He is certainly saying things I want to hear. I do not think I am all that unusual. We shall see where that goes. It makes me furious to hear the things that Rove, Beck and O’Reilly have recently said.
I’m pretty convinced Plainsgirl was FS. He was up all night and started to slip between the two characters. It’s actually very sad. I am losing the heart to confront him. Only because it’s a dead end road. There are so many good people here waiting for CW to drop the hammer. I think it’s close, although as an open minded individual I hate to see anybody get banned. Ill bet CW hasn’t banned anyone except those that question his motives. Which makes sense. CW works hard and doesn’t news the crud. Its my hunch that cw’s cost benefit analysis with regard to FS is too deep in the red to be salvaged. But he has a heart.
Ladyhawke,
Did you get my message over at ladysforest?
Are you going to the library? If so, there are two articles to look for. I have the newspaper dates and the page numbers.
Jonah
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 12:47 am |
I Have been cursed with always looking for a silver lining. Even when none exist, unfortunately.
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Paxson, you are to be blessed for looking for a silver lining! You have a kind, generous heart, and that is easy to see. (P.S. And I’m not drinking kool aid, either – 🙂
Thanks Cabby. It’s not an act. I just want what’s best for our country.
Jonah | April 3, 2011 at 1:09 am |
You saw me at ladysforest. I did see your message.
I am willing to go to Berkeley – but I have not yet heard if she wants me to go and what she wants me to search for.
CW, I f you have the time, Please give Jonah my email address.
Paxson,
Cabby could have not said it better!
Thank you, Ladyhawke. Some people whose intentions may, or may not, be best for our interests choose to beat us over the head.
Ladyhawke it is great to see you posting again.
I have visitors over the weekend. Another one for the night tonight.
Paxson, just take a deep breath when you see those attacks and always keep in mind that PG is an alter ego. I suspect that BC is another alter ego because of the nature of his attacks.
There is nothing we can do except ignore that person and the alter egos. It gets him angry to be ignored. It is necessary.
Good morning! Thank you Rob | April 2, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
That is a great find. I’ll help spread it around. It needs to go to Trump’s people, O’Rielly, Beck, Hannity, Savage, Fox and Friends, Greta,
From the comments, it is clear that Mario Apuzzo is aware of this article.
Thanks again.
CW are you going to post that article today or wait till Monday for more readers? Sorry, or at all.
Make it a great day! Zach
Aussie – How are the folks in Queensland making out now? I loved Brisbane. I had some surgery there. Good Doctors.
Good Morning troops – After perusing all the comments, the two that stand out the most are –
1. Rob | April 2, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html
As a final statement to Bill O’reilly, Chris Matthews and the remaining ignorant slew of media hacks, we would like to say this:
“Your failure to investigate these facts has undermined your profession and made you look pathetically wanton as journalists. If you would have taken just two more steps in your shallow observations, just one more level down into the actual truth, you have come to the same facts about Obama’s natal history as the internet community has. Instead, you chose to glance at the drive-by message and believe what some deceitful political animal told you about the matter. Now, Obama has made you look like a fool.
Posted by Penbrook One at 5:50 AM”
Read the whole article – It is all over folks.
2. bob strauss | April 2, 2011 at 11:12 pm |
Open Letter to Roger Ailes, President of Fox News Channel
YOU HAVE SOLD OUT YOUR COUNTRY FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR by Sharon Rondeau (Mar. 30, 2011) — The following letter will be sent to…
Mar 30 2011 / 52 comments / Read More »
And Remember – BEAT THE DEPRESSION WITH A TRUMP CAIN
Good Morning ms. helga!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/trump_in_2012_maybe_not_such_a.html
From the American Thinker article:
…With a single utterance, the Donald in effect legitimized a group of people whose concern for this very same issue earned them the scornful name of “birthers” and rendered them a collective object of derision by left-wing pundits as well as such “respectable” right-leaning personalities as Bill O’Reilly and Michael Medved. And what Trump did for this issue, he will be able to do with any number of issues that McCain and the GOP establishment sought (and continue to seek) to avoid like the plague.
This is the point: there is simply no way that anyone can succeed in depicting someone as internationally famous as Donald Trump as a fringe figure. ….
This is great!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_unified_theory_of_obama.html
In a hilarious article, American Thinker writer Clarice Feldman explains Obama on a number of issues, the Libyan action included. The article also explains his education at Columbia and Harvard.
April 03, 2011
The Unified Theory of Obama
By Clarice Feldman
…People who pay attention to what he says note that there is not a single promise he made as a candidate he hasn’t broken. Indeed, even his oldest and staunchest allies are complaining that he’s turned his back on them. If anyone can find Code Pink and Mother Sheehan it would be interesting to find out their views on Libya.
Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there. Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think. No?
I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I’m not alone. It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I’m lost?
It seems like just yesterday he was saying that trying to force out of power a murderous dictator was a “dumb war” and such a move should be opposed. But then again are we trying to force out Gaddafi? Are we trying to help the rebels? Who are the rebels and why should be help them? What is the fighting force? What are their orders and who is commanding them? I feel like the old man in “Moonstruck” wandering about saying, “I am so confused.”
And each day deepens my confusion.
The Libyans aren’t confused; they’re hightailing it out of that mess as fast as they can. My friend Rick Ballard makes clear why:
The Italian press is reporting that only 40 recipients* of the UN R2P kinetic humanitarian aid were completely overcome by the experience. I’m sure that the President will be presenting the chart (prepared by l’École polytechnique) showing lives saved or created by his actions within just a few days and we all know that preparing delicious omelets must begin with cracking a few heads eggs.
*That’s 40 for Tripoli only. No believable count for the rest of Libya is currently available due to minor disruptions caused by continuing delivery of kinetic humanitarian aid.
I suppose since the kinetic action was announced when one of the Obamas was on a gig in South America the dumb brother got us into this mess.
On the other hand maybe neither one of them has his head on exactly straight…
ms. helga | April 3, 2011 at 7:03 am |
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/04/final-report-obamas-birth-announcements.html
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Thanks
Great read. Included in the comments is a smack down of obot Ken, who attemped to discredit the article. Classic Fail on Ken’s part LOL
I have always thought the BC was a red herring ( cover for NBS status) and BHO was probably born in HI. But now, I even have doubts.
I guess he can claim that he was definately registered. Must be something ugly in those docs, if there is anything there at all. He would have ended this matter long ago. This is very strange. The BHO “REAL” story just get’s more bizarre every day.
Have a nice day all!
Headlines at Drudge:
1,000 bodies discovered in massacre…
Forces for UN-backed candidate accused…
FRANCE SENDS IN SOLDIERS…
US ‘deeply concerned’…
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You think Obama will send forces to fight the UN? Wouldn’t that be great. He could do it needing only the U.S. checkbook.
I am watching Senator Marco Rubio of Fl. on Fox’s morning show. Wallace asked him if he might consider running for President. Doesn’t he have a problem with both parents being Cuban? If both parents have been made naturalized citizens, is Rubio then eligible?
ms. helga – I don’t know the answer to question regarding Rubio’s parents’ natualization. Do you? If he is not eligible, he would make a fine cabinet member.
Sorry. If both parents are naturalized, I believe he is eligible.
Sorry. Naturalized at time of Rubio’s birth. I’m trying to eat, drink coffee and get ready to take dog for a walk in the woods. Back later. Zach
P.S. – Good morning Zach, CW and all. – Zach – Did you see where Fox signed The Donald to a once- a- week contract? That is going to drive Oh’Really and Beck nuts and all the rest of those who dislike Trump.
Aussie | April 3, 2011 at 2:34 am |
Paxson, just take a deep breath when you see those attacks and always keep in mind that PG is an alter ego. I suspect that BC is another alter ego because of the nature of his attacks.
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
Bill Cutting…You and FS are borderline insane. OCD freaks.. There is something seriously wrong with you.
you nutjob.
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 1:01 am |
I’m pretty convinced Plainsgirl was FS… I am losing the heart to confront him.
Ladyhawke | April 3, 2011 at 12:20 am |
Apparently I am no longer always in moderation, thinking I was banned!
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I realized the obaMonsters and the hillaMonsters are desperate to save their sinking party but this is ridiculous.
Marco was very good on Fox, but his eligibility thing has to be cleared up NOW.
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/04/governor-abercrombies-bogus-quest-to.html
ms. helga – I submitted your question to Mario Apuzzo’s blog. Maybe they know the facts.
Zach Jones,
The Libyan War is Hillary’s War as much if not more than it is Obama’s War. Hillary was the principal lobbyist for the War. She coordinated the whole thing with her meetings with Nato leaders. You can not rewrite history to absolve Hillary of her complicity in this illegal War.
Plains Girl – give me a break. I am not trying to rewrite facts. Once in a while, especially on Sunday morning, with my coffee, I would love to read CW’s blog and the comments without seeing a whirlwind of accusations and counter-accusations.
When I visit CW’s blog, I feel as I am visiting a friend’s home and I will not start or continue any arguments in his home.
I’ll be back later.
I see former Senator Chris Dodd is now head of The Motion Picture Producers Ass’n.
IS THAT LIKE BEING HEAD OF THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA?
Zach Jones,
You made this post did you not? It clearly attempts to present the false notion that Hillary was not involved in planning the Libyan War. Please explain your position about Hillary’s involvement in the Libyan War?
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Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 7:56 am |
“Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there. Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think. No?
I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I’m not alone. It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I’m lost?”
Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 8:37 am |
Sorry. If both parents are naturalized, I believe he is eligible.
Naturalized at time of Rubio’s birth.
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That is correct. That would mean Marco had two U.S. citizen parents. The parents can be citizens by birth or they can be citizens by naturalization at the time the child is born.
According to the Miami Herald, Mario Rubio died on 9/04/10 at the age of 83. That means he was born in 1927.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/05/1809511/republican-senate-candidate-marco.html
According to the American Spectator he left Cuba for the U.S. at the age of 32 which would be in 1959.
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/09/07/mario-rubio-rip
Marco Rubio was born in 1971. That means Mario and his wife had 12 years to become naturalized citizens before Marco’s birth. The question is when were they naturalized?
Plains Girl | April 3, 2011 at 9:05 am |
What you quote is from an article. What my positions are are none of your business unless I care to share. I will not be subjected to thought police from the left, right or center.
How bout I say a prayer for you instead?
Time to walk the dog.
Plains Girl | April 3, 2011 at 9:05 am |
My comment was inappropriate-
How about I say a prayer for you and me instead?
Now I am off.
Zach Jones, You made this post did you not? It clearly attempts to present the false notion that Hillary was not involved in planning the Libyan War. Please explain your position about Hillary’s involvement in the Libyan War?==============
Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 7:56 am |
“Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there. Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think. No?
I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I’m not alone. It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I’m lost?”
By Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 9:05 am
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PG,
Zach was just posting an article so you should give him a little slack.
I am sure that he will explain that he does not support hillary when he returns.
Philo-Publius | April 3, 2011 at 9:11 am |
– I just want to get this straight – Marco to be NBC, his father and mother BOTH have to have been Naturalized. Is there a time limit on time before he was born. In other words, if they were naturalized a month, a week, or year before he was born?
March 30:
“Rubio had harsh words for Obama on government spending (too much of it) and Libya (for not intervening earlier), but he was also critical of conservatives who question the president’s religion and his status as a native born American citizen.
“That’s a waste of time,” Rubio said. “He says he’s a Christian. He’s a Christian. And I do believe he was born in the United States. And I don’t think any of those things are the reason why America’s in trouble.”
[video at link]
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tea-party-favorite-florida-sen-marco-rubios-national/story?id=13249824&page=2
ms.helga | April 3, 2011 at 9:30 am |
Philo-Publius | April 3, 2011 at 9:11 am |
– I just want to get this straight – Marco to be NBC, his father and mother BOTH have to have been Naturalized. Is there a time limit on time before he was born. In other words, if they were naturalized a month, a week, or year before he was born?
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Both parents of presidential candidate must be U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth on territory subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. The parents can be citizens by birth or they can be citizens by naturalization at the time the child is born. So if the parents were naturalized the day before the child’s birth, they are then subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. and their child would be considered NBC.
On March 9, 1866, Rep. Bingham spoke in the House of Representatives in regards to dual allegiance and defined a natural born citizen:
“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…”
“Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.”
(Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866)
Aussie | April 3, 2011 at 2:34 am | Paxson, just take a deep breath when you see those attacks and always keep in mind that PG is an alter ego. I suspect that BC is another alter ego because of the nature of his attacks.
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
Bill Cutting…You and FS are borderline insane. OCD freaks.. There is something seriously wrong with you. you nutjob.
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 1:01 am |
I’m pretty convinced Plainsgirl was FS… I am losing the heart to confront him.
Ladyhawke | April 3, 2011 at 12:20 am |
Apparently I am no longer always in moderation, thinking I was banned!
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I realized the obaMonsters and the hillaMonsters are desperate to save their sinking party but this is ridiculous.
By Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 8:40 am
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hillaMonsters and obaMonsters!
LOL!
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GORDO | April 3, 2011 at 9:33 am |
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Well(As RR would say), we can put him in the “Not Acceptable” column!
We have “2 Front war” going on. That is why I am pushing the Constitution Party. With hope and prayers from the good and honest folks of America we can win this country back.
PS – A General once said – “We are so out-numbered, there is only one thing left for us to do – WE MUST ATTACK!”
Now I am going to watch Chris Mathews and see if he DARES to mention DT.We have them on the ropes folks.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle.
RickC…………………….
Don’t believe that I’ve seen your handle before. If your new to this blog I offer a HEARTY “WELCOME ABOARD”. Fresh minds are always in demand here. By the way you are dead on with everything you had to say. The trick now is to REPROGRAM the minds of the ROBOTS. Unfortunately the ROBOTS heve only a ONE CHANNEL mind, which is still on autopilot,since it was put in service. REPROGRAMMING the ROBOTS might be easier said than done.
Free Speech | April 3, 2011 at 9:20 am |
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 9:05 am
Zach Jones, You made this post did you not? It clearly attempts to present the false notion that Hillary was not involved in planning the Libyan War. Please explain your position about Hillary’s involvement in the Libyan War?==============
Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 7:56 am |
“Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there. Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think. No?
I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I’m not alone. It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I’m lost?”
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PG,
Zach was just posting an article so you should give him a little slack.
I am sure that he will explain that he does not support hillary when he returns.
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Why did Zach Jones go ballistic on me? All I did was ask him a question about an Article he posted.
So you think he will explain that he does not support Hillary? When? How long does it take for him to walk his dog?
Zach @ 9:11
Exactly right, Zach. They are here only to disrupt. They should focus more on a message of their own rather than trying to define what everyone else thinks. Now they are gunning for you, of all people. They are insane, unpleasant and are relentless.
Still waiting for Chrissey Matthews to mention The Donald. And as I said earlier Fox has signed The Donald to a once-a-week visit on FOX. Oh’Really and Beck have got to be going nuts.
MS.Helga
” Christine” Mathews IS what she/he is. It is extremely probable that she/he will remain that way. IT needs to give up HARDBALL,and try out for SOFT ball.
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 9:05 am
Zach Jones, You made this post did you not? It clearly attempts to present the false notion that Hillary was not involved in planning the Libyan War. Please explain your position about Hillary’s involvement in the Libyan War?
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Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 7:56 am |
“Maybe Candidate Obama is in the dungeon with his head in an iron mask and they are keeping him company there. Surely the press who followed them about when Bush was President and they were treated like paragons on the issue of military actions has been looking for them to find out what they think. No?
I for one have no notion what he had in mind when he announced we were doing whatever we are doing over there, but then I’m not alone. It appears neither the Secretary of State nor the Secretary of Defense has any idea either, nor do our purported allies in this move, nor NATO. So why should it bother me that I’m lost?”
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PG, Zach was just posting an article so you should give him a little slack. I am sure that he will explain that he does not support hillary when he returns. ======================
Why did Zach Jones go ballistic on me? All I did was ask him a question about an Article he posted. So you think he will explain that he does not support Hillary? When? How long does it take for him to walk his dog?
By Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 10:18 am
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Honestly, I don’t understand why Zach lashed out at you?
A good title to this article would be “ObaMonster eyes SamaMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle. By Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 10:11 am
I see the twisted twins are now gunning for Zach. Outrageous!
Hey All,
Maybe Zach will now realize what Paxson, Aussie, indymac, ladyhawk and many others have felt about FS (and now PG).
Seems FS and PG have gone off the “deep end”, and now are trying to dictate to Zach what he can link and comment.
Don’t let them get to you Zach, you did nothing wrong with your posts.
The reason Zach lashed out is because he has a brain and can think. He has two eyes and he can read and he is sick and tired of it. Why don’t you two spend a bit more time promoting your own message and a little bit less time making up What other people think with your hallucinations. .
Ill say this, if you two have lost Zach then you REALLY need to look in the mirror.
I have a high regard for Zach.
I am sure he did not mean to imply that Hillary is not responsible for the Illegal War in Libya.
Free Speech | April 3, 2011 at 10:37 am |
A good title to this article would be “ObaMonster eyes SamaMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle.
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🙂
Hey Look Folks – I just googled up –
BEAT THE DEPRESSION WITH A TRUMP CAIN
and got over 500,000 sites-
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=gsqvh&pq=%22beat%20the%20depression%20with%20a%20trump%20cain%22&xhr=t&q=BEAT%20THE%20DEPRESSION%20WITH%20A%20TRUMP%20CAIN&cp=0&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=BEAT+THE+DEPRESSION+WITH+A+TRUMP+CAIN&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c99decee79d1fe4a&bs=1
PS – I then did it in quotations and got about 10.
Oh well back to the drawing board.
Regarding Marco Rubio’s parents: People seeking political asylum from a country like Cuba and reach the US might have automatically been given naturalized citizenship. I am not really sure about this, maybe someone can check. I do know, those people escaping and reaching the US were given a different status.
Zbiginew was on Fareed Zakaria’s GPS this morning running interference for Barry’s Libyan Adventure. Among the few remarks I caught from the interview were Z’s caution that Israel should authorize a peace treaty with the Palestinians before these newly destablized ME nations find their center of gravity and coalesce in unison against Israel.
You can imagine my shock at hearing Zibiginew’s revelation that Israel should be forewarned and accomodate the *ulim savages to avoid a confrontation/not. The looming confrontation of *slam with the West is something this administration continues to deny even exists, but which even average Americans fear is fast approaching. In exhaustive repetition, Barry performs a high-wire intellectual balancing act between defending a certain religion as divinely inspired and denying the existence of the destructive results which issue from the pages of its wholey b00k. He will neither question its authority, nor acknowledge the results of its unchallenged authority.
While contemplating why this president feels motivated to always defend a certain religion’s unassailability, I found Christopher Hitchen’s latest divine inspiration on the incarnations of the Christian Bible. Perhaps, Hitchens will inspire Barry to reconsider how misguided his assumptions are about a certain religion’s bona fides. Yet, since Barry is more concerned with the appearances of truth, especially politically-correct, politically-beneficial speech which will garner his re-election in 2012, I doubt that even one as brilliant as Hitchens could sway his stubborn ignorance. Barry can ignore seditious Louis Farrakhan’s statements to his NOI congregants, but cannot tolerate tea partiers who question his motives.
When the King Saved God
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/05/hitchens-201105
The hostilities instigated by two particular posters are allowed to go on . . . and on . . . and on . . . and on . . . and on.
No action is ever taken to rein in the instigators. One wonders why.
[MSM] Media Control – The Propaganda Machine
Lillibet on April 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Zbiginew was on Fareed Zakaria’s GPS this morning running interference for Barry’s Libyan Adventure. Among the few remarks I caught from the interview were Z’s caution that Israel should authorize a peace treaty with the Palestinians before these newly destablized ME nations find their center of gravity and coalesce in unison against Israel.
You can imagine my shock at hearing Zibiginew’s revelation that Israel should be forewarned and accomodate the *ulim savages to avoid a confrontation/not.
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bo and hillary are now engaged in a full scale assault on Israel.
How about this for a title to this article “ObaMonster eyes PowerMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle.
This is an Obama time line under construction at the Obama file:
Date Source Event
1956
September Archive Stanley Ann began classes at Mercer Island High School
1959
July – August Dreams… Stanley Ann spent the summer in Chicago working as an au pair.
June Archive Senior arrived in Hawaii. He originally lived in a room at the Atherton Y.M.C.A., not far from campus.
September Archive Senior began classes at the University of Hawaii. He later moved to a small, single story wooden home located at 625 11th Ave., in the St. Louis Heights area, where he remained until he left Hawaii. Stanley Ann would never live at this address.
1960
June Archive Stanley Ann graduated from high school and moved with her family to Hawaii. The Dunhams originally lived at 2277 Kamehameha Ave., before moving to 2234 University Ave.
September 26 Archive Stanley Ann began fall semester classes at the University of Hawaii. She enrolled in Philosophy 1XX and Russian 100.
November Calendar Stanley Ann was impregnated. Born on November 29th, 1942, she is 17 years old. Senior, the alleged father is 25 and married.
December Artifact Stanley Ann completed Philosophy 1XX and Russian 100, and dropped out of school.
1961
February 2 Dreams… According to legend, Stanley Ann and Senior hopped a plane to Maui and got married. The wedding supposedly had a Justice of the Peace. No record of the happy event has ever been found. There is no wedding license or marriage certificate. There were no bridesmaids, ushers, witnesses, guests — not even her parents.
August 4 FactCheck.org The person now known as Barack Hussein Obama II was born (according to the bogus birth certificate on FactCheck.org).
August 13 Archive Sunday Advertiser and Star Bulletin published Obama’s birth announcements.
August Archive Stanley Ann and Little Barry showed up in Seattle, and using the name “Anna Obama,” moved into apartment 2 of the Villa Ria Apartments, at 516 13th Avenue E, on Capitol Hill.
August Artifact Stanley Ann enrolled at the University of Washington as a “nonresident citizen.” Somebody was paying big bucks for Stanley Ann’s Seattle stay.
August 19 Artifact Stanley Ann began Anthropology 100, “Introduction to the Study of Man” and Political Science 201, Modern Government” at University of Washington, Seattle.
December 11 Artifact Stanley Ann completed Anthropology 100 and Political Science 201.
December 27 Artifact Stanley Ann began History 478, “History of South Africa” and Philosophy 120, “Introduction to Logic.”
1962
June 22 Artifact Senior left Hawaii.
1963
March Anna began spring semester classes at the University of Hawaii
1964
June Senior finished at Harvard. Returned to Kenya.
1965
March 15 Scribd.com Stanley Ann married Lolo Soetoro — in passport records — also October 1967 letter below
March 24 Scribd.com Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro in Molokai, Hawaii, as documented by Certificate of Marriage, License No. 80296, State of Hawaii, Department of Health, Research, Planning and Statistics Office
June 7 Scribd.com Lolo given 1 year extension to remain in US. Extended to June 20, 1966; Page 90
June 15 Scribd.com Last day Lolo Soetoro is to stay in US under his relationship with University of Hawaii.
July 19 WND.com Stanley Ann Dunham is issued Passport No. F777788 by U.S. Department of State (passport application destroyed by State Department in 1980s). It is unknown whether Dunham had a U.S. passport prior to 1965, because the State Department claims her passport records prior to 1968 were destroyed in the 1980s in accordance with unspecified “guidance” from the General Services Administration.
August 4 WND.com BHO II turns 4
November 30 WND.com SADS signs affidavit on hardship. Indicating it would not be a hardship under the law. Indicates she is living with her parents.
1966
July 20 WND.com Lolo Soetoro leaves Hawaii to return to Indonesia, according to multiple references within Department of Justice and Immigration and Naturalization Service documents — page 22 of FOIA document
August 4 WND.com BHO II turns 5
September Maui News BHO II is reported as attending the Noelani School in Hawaii during 66-67 school year, but the Hawaii Department of Education has been unable to find his records.
December 12 WND.com Application by Lolo Soetoro to obtain a waiver of the foreign-residency requirements of the student visa that allowed him to come to Hawaii to attend the University of Hawaii is denied, as documented by letter dated Dec. 12, 1966, from John F. O’Shea, district director, U.S. Department of Justice, Immigration and Naturalization Service.
Soetoro argues that the hostility in Indonesia made it unsafe for his wife to travel to Indonesia and that the separation caused by forcing him to return to Indonesia would be a financial hardship for his wife. The Immigration and Naturalization Service rejected the argument, saying in Mr. O’Shea’s letter Dec. 12, 1966, that the hardship Soetoro described was “usual” in such cases.
1967
June 29 WND.com Dunham applies to the State Department to amend her U.S. Passport No. F777788 to change her name from Stanley Ann Dunham to her married name Stanley Ann Soetoro. The marriage to Lolo Soetoro is listed on the amendment form as having occurred March 13, 1965, in Molokai, Hawaii.
August 6 Artifact Stanley Ann awarded BA in Mathematics.
October WND.com Ann Dunham Soetoro travels from Honolulu, Hawaii, to Jakarta, Indonesia, via Japan Airlines, using U.S. Passport No. 777788, documented by a request by Dunham Soetoro to obtain an exception allowing her to travel on an expired passport. The request was granted by the State Department Oct. 21, 1971.
Barry Soetoro accompanied his mother, traveling as a child named on her U.S. Passport No. 777788. Obama incorrectly identifies the 1967 flight with his mother to Indonesia as being on a Pan Am jet, and he recalls a three-day stopover in Japan (Source: Dreams from My Father, page 31). State Department records list no other travel to Indonesia by Dunham Soetoro from 1967 to 1971.
1968
August 13 WND.com Dunham Soetoro applies from Jakarta, Indonesia, to the U.S. State Department to renew her Passport No. F777788, issued July 19, 1965, for an additional two years. The passport is renewed until July 18, 1970, five years from its issuance.
In the same application, she amends her Passport No. F777788 to exclude her child, identified as Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah), from her U.S. passport.
1970
August 15 WND.com Obama’s half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born to Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro in Jakarta, Indonesia.
1971
In 1971, at age 10, Barack Obama was back in Honolulu with his grandparents, who had moved to Apartment 1206 at 1617 S. Beretania. Two years later, the Dunhams and Obama settled into Apartment 1008 in the same 96-unit building, built in 1965. This was Obama’s primary residence until he left Hawai’i in 1979 after high school graduation.
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Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 12:48 pm
How about this for a title to this article “ObaMonster eyes PowerMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle.
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Excellent!
HonorFirst | April 3, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
Hi Honor,
I did a quick search of ‘citizenship of Marco Rubio’s parents’ and the majority of links I got seemed to suggest they were Cuban exiles; they are both deceased, now. One site (sorry, can’t link) even called him an anchor baby.
It doesn’t appear that they were ever U.S. citizens, so that puts him in the same category as Jindal, whose parents didn’t become citizens until after his birth in the U.S. Ineligible.
This is unfortunate, because I think they both have the golf balls (as OldSalt says) to go far in politics, but not to the level of POTUS or VPOTUS. Too bad…we need them both!
“Birthers Hijacking Debate May Be Boon for Obama: Albert Hunt”
“There are legitimate debates and divides in American politics; these aren’t among them. All of these assertions are demonstrably false.
Obama’s father left when he was two years old and only saw his son once briefly after that. The president never lived in Kenya and didn’t even visit that country until he was 26. He was born in Hawaii, as the state has certified, and two Honolulu newspapers published announcements after his birth in August 1961.
1961 Plot
For this to amount to a conspiracy, as the birthers charge, would entail a diabolical plot hatched in 1961 that includes faux baby announcements.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-03/birthers-hijacking-debate-may-be-boon-for-obama-commentary-by-albert-hunt.html
ms. helga – here is the answer to your question about Rubio so far from Mario Apuzzo’s site.
Chief Skunk said…
What I’ve read is that the answer to the status of Rubio’s parents is uncertain. He has apparently been asked that question in public and has avoided an answer. Note that in his new book, Dick Morris puts forth both Rubio and Jindal as potential pres candidates. Jindal’s parent were clearly not citizens at his birth….Barry strikes again.
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Regarding my ‘going off’ on Plains Girl, I will restate my position regarding CW’s blog.
When I visit CW’s blog, I feel as I am visiting a friend’s home and I will not start or continue any arguments in his home.
I was having a pleasant morning, going over the news, posting here what I found interesting, and drinking a cup of coffee and then out of the blue I accused.
“You can not rewrite history to absolve Hillary of her complicity in this illegal War.”
I have been coming to CW’s for years now and the reason I come is to see what others have found and to consider the thinking of every person here. If our thinking differs that’s fine. I might not have considered something important when formulating my own opinions.
Now – I think I enjoyed battling cancer more than reading many of the comments posted here. Many responses are personal in nature, accusatory, and don’t add to the battle against Obama and his quest for a socialist America. I am not a Hillary supporter but I do not ‘hate’ people who have supported her in the past or today. If and when, I feel it is necessary explore/defend against Hillary’s role or aspirations that might damage the country I will make that determination for myself.
We, all of us here, must get past this continuous conflict if CW’s blog (an internet home I value) is to continue being a place that adds to the conversation. I will always check in to read CW’s posts but I may soon stop reading any comments here. My time is limited and the battle’s importance is great. I cannot afford to become involved in discussions/interactions that have no hope of changing others minds.
However, if we can’t allow differing opinions to be present here, then what are we trying to protect? Freedom? Freedom of expression? Tolerance? Intolerance?
I want to live freely in a country that values freedom. To live freely I must allow others to live freely.
Again I will restate my primary guiding rule that ‘I’ follow when I visit CW’s blog.
When I visit CW’s blog, I feel as I am visiting a friend’s home and I will not start or continue any arguments in his home.
Other than I apologize to Plains Girl if she felt I was ‘going off’ at her, this is my last comment about this matter.
“Other than I apologize to Plains Girl if she felt I was ‘going off’ at her, this is my last comment about this matter.”
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Fair Enough, thank you Zach. I didn’t mean to imply that you supported the position that Hillary is not the primary architect of the Illegal War in Libya. I apologize for my inartful wording.
Very well, Plains Girl. Let’s start over. Is anyone knowledgeableabout what is going on in the Ivory Coast? Religious, tribal, oil, power, all of the above? 1000 killed. What a world. Glenn Beck and his end times discussions could be on to something.
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
“Other than I apologize to Plains Girl if she felt I was ‘going off’ at her, this is my last comment about this matter.” Zach Jones
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Fair Enough, thank you Zach. I didn’t mean to imply that you supported the position that Hillary is not the primary architect of the Illegal War in Libya. I apologize for my inartful wording.
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Good to see Plains Girl and Zach resolve their misunderstandings.
That should serve as a good example of how to engage in civil discourse.
Hey Free Speech. Okay I have to go now. We have a piano tuner coming tommorrow and I have to see if I can find the top of the piano. No I don’t play.
Have a great day! Zach
Zach Jones on April 3, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Hey Free Speech. Okay I have to go now. We have a piano tuner coming tommorrow and I have to see if I can find the top of the piano. No I don’t play. Have a great day! Zach ————
Like wise Zach!
I’m off myself to take my Lovely Daughter to Rock Band Practice.
I bought her an 88 Key Weighted Yamaha and a Synthesier so I don’t have to tune ’em. ”
🙂
And these are examples of how NOT to attempt to communicate on a public forum
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Aussie | April 3, 2011 at 2:34 am |
“Paxson, …always keep in mind that PG is an alter ego. I suspect that BC is another alter ego because of the nature of his attacks.”
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
“Bill Cutting…You and FS are borderline insane. OCD freaks.. There is something seriously wrong with you.
you nutjob.”
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 10:20 am |
“They are insane… and are relentless.”
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 1:01 am |
“I’m pretty convinced Plainsgirl was FS…I am losing the heart to confront him.”
Ladyhawke | April 3, 2011 at 12:20 am |
“Apparently I am no longer always in moderation, thinking I was banned! “
Aussie | April 2, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
@Paxson, Indymac and Cabby,
“…the group known as FOS were banned…”
GORDO | April 3, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
Hey GORDO,
Thanks for the article. Just sent Mr. Hunt an e-mail to set him straight. He’s too old a gentleman to be buying into this trash…
For those interested–the latest from Lucas Smith and Sharon Rondeau:
http://www.wasobamaborninkenya.com/
Click to access Instructions%20for%20Concerned%20Citizens.pdf
LET OBAMA GIVE THE EXPERTS HIS FOOT PRINT
Glen Beck talks about our government constantly violating the Constitution. While he is pontificating on that Beck is ignoring that greatest and most heinous Constitutional violation of all–the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE IN ARTICLE II.
A is A. This issue about Obama’s birth place isn’t just about the location of his birth. The true challenge is DOES OBAMA MEET THE THREE REQUIREMENTS TO BE PRESIDENT ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION. Whether or not Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya or not, there is sufficient amount of facts to believe OBAMA DOES NOT QUALIFY UNDER THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CLAUSE. First of all both parents must be American Citizens. It is blood and soil. Obama clearly admits his father was a British citizen. This asks then if Obama –even if he were born in Hawaii–takes on the citizenship of his father or is a dual citizen. Either way–the president of the United States cannot be a “dual citizen.”
A is A. Therefore is there is any doubt that Obama may not qualify under the NBC clause of Article II, it was imperative that Obama be vetted BEFORE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT. Failure on the part of the electoral college, Nancy Pelosi, Reid, Congress, and all the SoS to so constitutes a violation of the election laws and the Constitution. Why hasn’t Beck done a thorough investigation of that? Like O’Slyly–Beck avoided, denied, and denigrated the issue. Now he is attempting to denigrate Mr. Trump.
Another fact all are attempting to deny is Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. Every Congress person has been sent via certified mail a copy of OBAMA’S MOMBASA, KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFCATE. WHAT IS VITAL ABOUT THIS CERTIFCATE IS THE BABY FOOR PRINT ON IT. That certificate is now being touted as a FORGERY. The easiest way to prove if it is a forgery or not is to insist Barry Sotoero give the experts his foot print. If Barry’s foot print turns out to be a match to the one on the birth certificate–THEN IT IS NOT A FORGERY AND OBAMA IS A USURPER. GLEN BECK IS EXPOSED FOR THE FRAUD HE IS AS WELL.
Plains Girl | April 3, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
Please let it go.
usapatriots-shout | April 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
If I were Barry I’d take that bet, being that the Lucas Smith BC is most likely a forgery.
Free Speech | April 3, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
“Other than I apologize to Plains Girl if she felt I was ‘going off’ at her, this is my last comment about this matter.” Zach Jones
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Fair Enough, thank you Zach. I didn’t mean to imply that you supported the position that Hillary is not the primary architect of the Illegal War in Libya. I apologize for my inartful wording.
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Good to see Plains Girl and Zach resolve their misunderstandings.
That should serve as a good example of how to engage in civil discourse.
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Thanks FS!
To: elrushbo@eibnet.com
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2011 2:34 PM
Subject: “ObaMonster eyes PowerMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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“ObaMonster eyes PowerMonster to replace HillaMonster”
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http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Samantha-Power-to-be-next-Secretary-of-State-119112959.html
A flattering New York Times profile has increased speculation that Samantha Power, the Dublin-born aide to President Obama, could be his next Secretary of State or National Security Adviser.
She has been the main architect, along with Hillary Clinton, of the Libya policy and has an increasing influence in the White House inner circle.
Zach @ 1:17
You are a good dude. Well said.
Any candidate who DOESN’T question the Fraud’s credentials by now is UNFIT to be POTUS.
Imagine a president signing a treaty with a blood enemy and all we had was the WORD from their leader that they had likewise signed it…
Insanity.
Well Said, Zach!
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Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 1:17 pm |
“Many responses are personal in nature, accusatory, and don’t add to the battle against Obama and his quest for a socialist America.”
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Aussie | April 3, 2011 at 2:34 am |
“Paxson, …always keep in mind that PG is an alter ego. I suspect that BC is another alter ego because of the nature of his attacks.”
Paxson | April 2, 2011 at 8:04 pm |
“Bill Cutting…You and FS are borderline insane. OCD freaks.. There is something seriously wrong with you.
you nutjob.”
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 10:20 am |
“They are insane… and are relentless.”
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 1:01 am |
“I’m pretty convinced Plainsgirl was FS…I am losing the heart to confront him.”
Ladyhawke | April 3, 2011 at 12:20 am |
“Apparently I am no longer always in moderation, thinking I was banned! “
Aussie | April 2, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
@Paxson, Indymac and Cabby,
“…the group known as FOS were banned…”
Can someone please cue the circus music for PG/FS?
Indy. It’s beyond odd.
Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 6:39 am |
The people of Brisbane are back to business as usual… and the rest of us have to pay because their government did not have disaster insurance. We are being slugged a new levy to pay… how kind!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ny-times-contributor-confirms-california-rainwater-181-times-above-drinking-water-standards-for-radioactive-iodine-131.html
NY Times contributor confirms California rainwater 181 times above drinking water standards for radioactive iodine-131
Government Under Fire as Radiation Is Found in Milk, Rain, Bay Citizen,
Federal officials have still not published any official data on nuclear fallout from Japan disaster
… Radiation from Japan rained on Berkeley during recent storms at levels that exceeded drinking water standards by 181 times and has been detected in multiple milk samples…
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may…
This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator….very interesting.
Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad… and it may not be his citizenship. (Trump would not say this if he did not know something and he has the money to get the dirt…)
As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.
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This is very good reading and informative. It answers a lot of questions.
Read the rest at the above link.
A Crazy Old Coot | April 3, 2011 at 4:01 pm |
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may…
This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator….very interesting.
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Thanks COC!
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 3:58 pm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ny-times-contributor-confirms-california-rainwater-181-times-above-drinking-water-standards-for-radioactive-iodine-131.html
NY Times contributor confirms California rainwater 181 times above drinking water standards for radioactive iodine-131
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Thanks PG
Paxson | April 3, 2011 at 3:42 pm |
Yeah, isn’t it stupid how he/she posts the exact same stuff with either nic. You’d think he/she would try to change it up a bit between personae.
Indymac,
I hope Obama does put his foot print forward. Failure to so means that birth ceritifcate is real! Ha!
Free Speech | April 3, 2011 at 4:09 pm |
Translation:
Left hand: Thanks right hand.
Zach Jones | April 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
Zach, I have the links marked for the Ivory Coast. I have not read up on the actual details.
However, I can give some background. There was an election and the winner was not President Gbago (sp) but Ouettera.
The incumbent refused to step down and as a result the followers of Outerra have been trying to gain control. I have yet to seek out the details on the massacre (which is disgusting for the same reason that the massacres in Libya are disgusting… or anywhere else for that matter)… but it seems that Outerra’s followers are responsible.
I would suggest that the Ivory Coast is in the middle of a civil war.
usapatriots-shout | April 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
Thinking that Lucas Smith thing is real (when the date format is in US style, just for starters) is as foolish as thinking that “African” would have been listed as race on a 1961 HI BC.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52437.html
Mike Huckabee won a GOP straw poll in crucial early state South Carolina, further solidifying his status as a front-runner in a 2012 field that is still taking shape.
Huckabee won the York County GOP event on Saturday, snaring 23 percent of the first-pick voters,
Newt Gingrich was second, with 11 percent, and Michele Bachmann was third at 10 percent.
Mitt Romney snared 8 percent
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52437.html#ixzz1IUtEYip4
Zach,
here is one link for you relating to the Ivory Coast:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/03/3181098.htm
What is interesting in the story is that the French have boots on the ground in the Ivory Coast.
The report is reasonable in that it gives some background, and it explains the UN involvement.
This is a developing story. The massacre of between 800-1000 people reminds me of the clashes between the Hutu and the Tutsi people that saw thousands massacred.
Another hotbed is Syria….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/michele-bachmanns-fundraising-prowess/2011/03/25/AFK5lDYB_blog.html
Michele Bachmann’s fundraising prowess
There is no question that Bachmann is an impressive fundraiser. In the 2009-2010 election cycle, she brought in $13.5 million, according to data on the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics. Virtually all of her contributions came from individuals, with more than 50 percent from people contributing $200 or less.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-
indymac | April 3, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
usapatriots-shout | April 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
Thinking that Lucas Smith thing is real (when the date format is in US style, just for starters) is as foolish as thinking that “African” would have been listed as race on a 1961 HI BC.
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Why do you suppose that Lucas Smith went to all of the time and trouble to present something that is blatantly flawed? Sending it to all of Congress would only hurt our cause, wouldn’t it? (make us all look like crackpots). Some things are strange indeed.
BTW, S-y-b-i – l, yes. 🙂
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 4:25 pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/michele-bachmanns-fundraising-prowess/2011/03/25/AFK5lDYB_blog.html
Michele Bachmann’s fundraising prowess
There is no question that Bachmann is an impressive fundraiser. In the 2009-2010 election cycle, she brought in $13.5 million, according to data on the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics. Virtually all of her contributions came from individuals, with more than 50 percent from people contributing $200 or less.
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Thanks PG
Cabby, I can’t answer that. Perhaps he’s a dupe. Perhaps he’s only in it for the dough. I only know there are enough red flags in that thing and with Smith. The biggest one with Smith is the fact that he was unable to provide documented proof of his travel to Kenya when asked to provide it.
Zach, this link gives even better detail on what is happening in the Ivory Coast:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/03/3180819.htm
Like I said, it some ways it reminds me of the Hutu and the Tutsis when there was a big massacre.
The argument that they use is that those killed were militia and not civilians. The killings seem to be very tribal.
Regardless, it is unacceptable to have mass killings like that….
Herman Cain Says He Can Beat Obama at the Polls
The following gives more about his beliefs and goals:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/HermanCain-BarackObama-2012PresidentialElection/2011/04/02/id/391546?s=al&promo_code=C02C-1
indymac | April 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
I am not sure that I am ready to accept this Kenyan BC. I want to see a lot more in the way of evidence to show that it is genuine.
I thought it was more obvious that the COLB posted on the internet was a forgery.
indymac | April 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
Cabby, I can’t answer that. Perhaps he’s a dupe. Perhaps he’s only in it for the dough……..
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I agree. It has to be something like that. Maybe he has a strong need for publicity, also. If he truly had valuable knowledge, why didn’t he go about the presentation of it in a more well-thought out manner? If he truly has the “goods”, what he has done is like casting valuable seed to the wind.
I find this article very interesting. I am sorry if it has been posted already. I have been out of the loop for a couple of days.
http://nowewont.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obama-may-have-a-criminal-past
Aussie, I think there may be another long form from Kenya that looks more genuine than the Smith document. The Smith one really screams forgery to me. Screams it!
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-
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Thanks PG
http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2011/04/03/u-s-rep-michele-bachmann-hits-all-the-right-notes-in-az-2/
U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann hits all the right notes in AZ
Minnesota U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann is leaving others in the dust as her 2011 fundraising efforts have brought in a combined $2.2 million for the past quarter, far outstripping Mitt Romney‘s $1.9 million.
Bachmann raised $1.7 million for her congressional committee, and another $500,000 for her leadership PAC.
A conservative with strong Tea Party support, the congresswoman with a degree in tax law, is meriting attention as the lineup begins to form on the right for the 2012 White House race.
@Zach,
you might also be interested in this report:
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/laurent-gbagbo-must-go-immediately-says-us-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton/story-e6frfku0-1226032868175
I must admit that my response is: “ho hum, here we go again”…. a toothless paper tiger is not likely to get a positive response.
Plains Girl on April 3, 2011 at 5:11 pm
http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2011/04/03/u-s-rep-michele-bachmann-hits-all-the-right-notes-in-az-2/
U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann hits all the right notes in AZ
Minnesota U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann is leaving others in the dust as her 2011 fundraising efforts have brought in a combined $2.2 million for the past quarter, far outstripping Mitt Romney‘s $1.9 million.
Bachmann raised $1.7 million for her congressional committee, and another $500,000 for her leadership PAC.
A conservative with strong Tea Party support, the congresswoman with a degree in tax law, is meriting attention as the lineup begins to form on the right for the 2012 White House race.
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Great News!
@Zach you might also be interested in this link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/03/ivory-coast-massacres-africa-un
I have not checked it for accuracy.
Just here for a minute – Aussie
“Like I said, it some ways it reminds me of the Hutu and the Tutsis when there was a big massacre.”
When I lived in Africa, I had a good friend who was Huttu. Everything in Africa is complicated. Between Huttu’s and Tutsis, it always depended on where you lived and which tribe you belonged to. There were terrible atrocities on both sides. If you want to learn as near to the truth as there is about the massacre, I suggest you watch a documentary that came out several years ago called ‘Shake hands with the Devil’. The country of Belgium probably had the most to do with the root causes of the Rwanda massacre. But we, the US could have stopped it but chose not to. Belgium created a preference for the Tutsis. The Tutsis took this manufactured position of class or being better than the Hutus to heart. That caused most of the underlying hate. Then power and greed for government control led to incitement of the nations Hutus. Just like Hitler did in Germany to the Jews. Those seeking power turned the Belgium created class preference into rage. Blaming everything on the Tutsis. It’s THEM.
If you are ever in Rwanda, the people appear as kind and meek as any group of people you will find. But being human, there terrible possibilites lurking just beneath the skin in us all.
Thanks Zac. That was quite informative. I do remember some of the horrors of the Rawandan massacre.
This was not the only horrific massacre because in my neck of the woods we also had the Indonesians massacring the East Timorese who just happen to be majority Catholic.
In one location more than 100 people lost their lives inside a church, including 3 priests – one of the priests, the parish priest had actually come to Australia and had visited the parish where I was located when the massacre occurred (I was not there when he came on a visit). My parish priest at the time had formed a friendship and my parish had been sending money to that parish in East Timor.
What the Indonesians did in East Timor was just as disgusting as what Daffy Duck has been doing in Libya, as well as what Assad is doing in Syria… and the list goes on.
I am against all of those dictators who mow down their people when they protests. The protesters are normally unarmed civilians. They have no real means to fight back. This was true in Benghazi at the beginning. It is true in Syria, Yemen, Bahrain etc.
Whilst I have spoken out about the Libyans, I have not been vocal about Egypt for example, because I do not trust those who were behind the protest. My earliest reading on Libya never pointed to anything that indicated involvement of the communists or even the Islamists. Only Daffy kept making references to AQ but that is because he let those prisoners out so that he could make that impression. (and it has worked in certain circles). Libya is a mixed bag and I am still seeking further information. However, the involvement of Islamists in Egypt is more clear cut. It is also clear cut in Bahrain, Yemen and Syria.
If the National Transition Council in Libya is true to their word, then Libya will be neutralized as far as terror is concerned. It is a very big “IF”. The problems that I see ahead would involve AQ and MB trying to make a move to gain power. Right now they are not a part of the National Council, but when that country gets rid of Daffy Duck and they hold elections it might be another matter.
I think that one should be more worried about the developments in Yemen and Bahrain. It seems that Iran is very likely behind protests in these two countries. The mere fact that it is Shiites that are rising up is evidence of Iranian involvement. The Bahrain king has expelled the Iranian diplomat because he made contact with the protesters. It is more than likely that Iran was behind the protests.
I remain suspicious about the situation in Egypt because the more secular protesters have been pushed aside in favour of MB. What I do not trust is the head of the army who bears the same name as the imam who died, but who was radical in his pronouncements. It is too much of a coincidence. Plus, Egypt has gone back to supplying hte Palestinians with arms.
The situation in Ivory Coast does not impact on these other nations.
However, keep an eye on Chad and Mali – allies of Daffy Duck.
indymac | April 3, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
usapatriots-shout | April 3, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
Thinking that Lucas Smith thing is real (when the date format is in US style, just for starters) is as foolish as thinking that “African” would have been listed as race on a 1961 HI BC.
indymac | April 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
Aussie, I think there may be another long form from Kenya that looks more genuine than the Smith document. The Smith one really screams forgery to me. Screams it!
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indymac, The way you are attempting to convince people the, Lucas Smith provided, Obama birth certificate is a forgery, the more people believe you protest too much, and the certificate is real, and you’re scared to death of it.
You scream it! It must be real!
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