LTC Lakin verdicts, Terry Lakin patriot, Obama Congress Supreme Court State Election Officials Mainstream Media guilty
“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans
“These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”…Thomas Paine
LTC Terry Lakin
American Hero
Guilty of Treason: Barack Hussein Obama
Guilty of dereliction of Duty:
Congress
US Supreme Court
State Election Officials
Guilty of conspiracy to Defraud the American Public: US Mainstream Media
From Citizen Wells November 12, 2008.
“What I am about to write is so inherently simple and self evident,
that it may appear on the surface to be implausible. However, the
following facts and arguments flow from the founding fathers’ wisdom
and desire to protect the American citizens from tyrrany. I have read
the US Constitution, Federal election law and numerous state election
laws. I have had dialogue with offices of a number of Secretaries of State
and Election Boards. The US Constitution gives the states power over
the general election. The states control which candidates are placed
on ballots and regardless of the methodology used for doing so, I
believe the states have the power and obligation to verify eligibility
of presidential candidates. I find no federal or state law prohibiting
states from doing so and instead a constitutional duty to ensure that
a qualified candidate becomes a ballot choice for the Electoral College
Electors. Failure to do so effectively may lead to voter disenfranchisement.
I have believed and stated for weeks that the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution gives US citizens the power to demand that a presidential
candidate prove eligbility and certainly standing in a lawsuit. A lawsuit
should not be necessary. We already have the power, directly from the
US Constitution Bill of Rights.
Argument:
- The US Constitution clearly defines the eligibiity requirement for president.
- The US Constitution rules.
- The US Constitution gives states the power to choose electors. With this power comes the obligation to uphold the Constitution and protect voter rights.
- State laws vary but are consistent in their approach to placing
presidential candidates on the ballot. - Presidential Balloting evolved from tradition.
- The two party system evolved from tradition.
- States place presidential candidates on ballots from instructions of
the major political parties. - States should have enacted laws to require proof of eligibility.
- States are not exercising their duty to the Constitution.
- States have the power and obligation to ensure that only eligible candidates remain on ballots. Despite compelling evidence that Barack Obama is not eligible, and notification, the states left him on the ballot.
- States claim no power to remove a candidate when in fact they do have power over the general election process.
- The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution gives the people power, including Phil J Berg, Leo C. Donofrio and others that have had their lawsuits dismissed in state courts.
By virtue of the powers given to the people in the Tenth Amendment in The BIll of Rights of the US Constitution, we do not have to file lawsuits to demand proof of eligibility or require state election officials to do so.
A US citizen filing a lawsuit demanding that a presidential candidate provide proof of eligibility has standing.”
“Philip J Berg lawsuit
Judge Surrick ruling exerpts:
“If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff. Until that time, voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring in the Amended Complaint.”
“…regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. To reiterate: a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election.”
Philip J Berg response to ruling:
“an American citizen is asking questions of a presidential candidate’s eligibility to even hold that office in the first place, and the candidate is ducking and dodging questions through legal procedure.”
“This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution,” “If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States–the most powerful man in the entire world–is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?”
Mark J. Fitzgibbons is President of Corporate and Legal Affairs at American Target Advertising:
“October 29, 2008
Who Enforces the Constitution’s Natural Born Citizen Clause?”
“So if the Framers established that courts “shall” hear cases arising under the Constitution, and failed to authorize Congress to otherwise establish who may sue to enforce the document, then where might we find conclusively that Berg has standing to sue?
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution states that the powers not delegated to the federal government, nor prohibited to the states, remain with the states or the people. Therefore it seems that any state or any person has standing to sue to enforce not just the Natural Born Citizen Clause, but other constitutional requirements and rights, absent some expressly written bar within the Constitution itself.”
“Chief Justice John Marshall, writing in Marbury v. Madison, said that judges have a duty to decide cases under our paramount law, the Constitution. I have lamented previously about how some judges tend to evade their duty to decide constitutional matters by resorting to court-made doctrines. Judge Surrick’s reliance on case law to dismiss Berg’s suit for lack of standing is reasoned from a lawyer’s perspective, but not heroic and perhaps evasive of his larger duty.
His decision to “punt” the matter to Congress creates, I suggest, a dangerous, longer and perhaps more painful constitutional quagmire than had he heard the evidence in the case. Even had the case lacked merit, the Constitution would not have been harmed.”
Read more here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_enforces_the_constitutions.html
Ellis Washington, currently a professor of law and political science at Savannah State University, former editor at the Michigan Law Review and law clerk at The Rutherford Institute, is a graduate of John Marshall Law School and a lecturer and freelance writer on constitutional law, legal history, political philosophy and critical race theory. He has written over a dozen law review articles and several books, including “The Inseparability of Law and Morality: The Constitution, Natural Law and the Rule of Law” (2002). See his law review article “Reply to Judge Richard Posner.” Washington’s latest book is “The Nuremberg Trials: Last Tragedy of the Holocaust.”
Mr. Washington wrote the following response to the Philip J Berg lawsuit and Judge Surrick ruling in a World Net Daily article dated November 8, 2008 :
“Unfortunately, just 10 days before the election, a court of appeals judge threw out Berg’s lawsuit challenging the veracity of Obama’s U.S. citizenship status on technical grounds. Judge R. Barclay Surrick, a Jimmy Carter-appointed judge, amazingly (and with a tinge of irony), stated his opinion in part:
In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can’t sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.
Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine “that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency,” but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.
“Until that time,” Surrick says, “voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring.”
Judge Surrick, quoting from Hollander, concludes, “The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate’s failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury.”
Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which stated, in part, “The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen’s interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy.”
Constitutionally speaking, Judge Surrick’s reasoning is completely illogical and a total dereliction of his duty as a judge to substantively address this most vital constitutional controversy. Instead, in a gutless manner, Surrick dismissed Berg’s complaint 10 days before the elections on a technicality of standing, which to any rational person begs the question: If Philip J. Berg as an American citizen, a respected Democratic operative and former attorney general of Pennsylvania doesn’t have the “standing” to bring this type of lawsuit against Obama, then who in America does have standing? The good judge in all 34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo didn’t bother to answer this pivotal question.
That Berg’s complaint is not “concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury” is an amazing admission by any person that went to law school and even more so given the fact that Surrick is a respected appellate judge!
I am somewhat hopeful that Berg will successfully appeal Surrick’s outrageous decision to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, even if technically he doesn’t have standing to hold Obama accountable to the Constitution. Why? Because this is America, and out of 300 million people, someone should give a damn enough about this republic to make sure the person who holds the highest elected office in the land holds it legitimately based on the black letter text of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.”
Read the complete article here:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80435
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Citizen WElls 
Anyone attacking LTC Terry Lakin is attacking:
The US Constitution
The real military
and me.
“Don’t tread on me.”
Good Morning CW
Right there with you.
THEODORE ROOSEVELT:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)
Godspeed,
Pixel Patriot –
As more and more Patriots hear the words “All Rise” and then do so only to be told we have no standing, a reckoning will assuredly occur. The citizens beholden to this “unchecked power known as tyranny” will one day Rise Up en masse and the corrupt judges will see that “We The People” truly do have “Standing”.
Good Morning! The exerpt from your post should not be ignored. If people write their State Representatives, they may want to suggest a standing provision. Leaving in a few minutes. Have a great weekend.
Judge Surrick ruling exerpts:
“If, through the political process, Congress determines that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution’s eligibility requirements for the Presidency, then it is free to pass laws conferring standing on individuals like Plaintiff. Until that time, voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring in the Amended Complaint.”
I haven’t read this yet.
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-jarrett-is-the-president/
Need to start a Christmas card campaign for LTC Terry Lakin to show support ………. I’m sure we can do better then 50,000 pieces of mail , that Kris received in Miracle on 34th Street.
Army D.A.V.
I agree.
At the same time, we need to start the contact your congressmen campaign.
They had the responsibility to question Obama and abrogated it.
LTC Lakin took on the responsibility that they ignored.
CW
All we need is his mailing address . I’ve already contacted Dr.Kate .
http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/17/virginia-county-trims-government-cuts-taxes-by-cracking-down-on-illegal-immigration/
CW – if you get an mailing address for Lt. Col. Lakin, please forward it to me. Okay, I have to sign off. Zach
jbjd suggested a while back that we should all take a look at our state’s requirements for candidates. I did and I wrote my State Senator in regard to the Missouri 2008 Elected Officials Qualifications.
http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2008primary/2008offices.asp
It lists the qualifications for U.S. Representative through Township or Ward Committeemen and Committeewomen. ALL Elected Officials had to meet certain qualifications except for presidential candidates. Isn’t it is puzzling why only presidential candidates in Missouri were not required to meet eligibility qualifications, as stated in the U. S. Constitution?
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States”.
It seems logical that the 2012 election qualifications should require that all presidential candidates provide proof to the Secretary of State that they are at least 35 years old , a resident within the U.S. for fourteen years and that they were born in the U.S.
Most people assume that Barack Obama had been vetted before he was able to run for President. But other informed patriots and “We the People” here at citizenwells know that he was NOT!
A congressional document posted on the Internet confirms no one – not Congress, not the states and not election officials – bothered to check Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, and that status remains undocumented to this day.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=225561
Check out your own state’s qualifications for the 2008 election and if you discover that there was no eligibility requirements for presidential candidates I suggest you get those letters out to your State Senators and Representatives. And by all means write your state SOS.
Did anyone watch Anderson Cooper last night on CNN? He insinuated that LTC Lakin felt betrayed by the Birthers and said he was used by them to raise money for their own purposes. It was not pretty.
Found this on Drudge –
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101216/ap_on_re_us/us_army_birther_24#mwpphu-container
Read the comments – over 8000
Pixel Patriot –
As more and more Patriots hear the words “All Rise” and then do so only to be told we have no standing, a reckoning will assuredly occur. The citizens beholden to this “unchecked power known as tyranny” will one day Rise Up en masse and the corrupt judges will see that “We The People” truly do have “Standing”.
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The question should be asked. Why don’t we have standing?, and what do we have to do to make sure we have standing in the future?
ms.helga | December 17, 2010 at 9:27 am |
After reading quite a few comments from my previous post, I have come to the following conclusion – WE HAVE GOT THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE
Jonah | December 17, 2010 at 8:33 am |
It seems logical that the 2012 election qualifications should require that all presidential candidates provide proof to the Secretary of State that they are at least 35 years old , a resident within the U.S. for fourteen years and that they were born in the U.S.
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Jonah, The above is inaccurate, and you should know that. It is 35 years old, a resident within the US for fourteen years, and be a natural born Citizen. Born in the US is not good enough to be President. I am starting to believe what misstickly said about you being an obot.
bob strauss – Since I have no legal expertise I wish someone could pick-a-part wikipedia’s definithion of Natural Born Citizen, especially the part referring to the USURPER –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644025/posts
Lt. Col. Lakin sentenced
The News Examiner ^ | 12-17-10 | Linda Bentley
If his sentence is approved by the convening authority, Lakin’s case, because it includes dismissal, will be sent for automatic review by the Army Court of Criminal Appeals (ACCA), which has the authority to overturn his convictions.
Maj. Gen. Karl Horst, Lakin’s commanding general, could also grant Lakin clemency.
If the ACCA upholds Lakin’s convictions, he can appeal to the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces (CAAF).
If the CAAF agrees to hear Lakin’s appeal but denies it, Lakin can appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which rarely grants review for appeals of military justice system decisions.
bob strauss | December 17, 2010 at 10:10 am |
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The question should be asked. Why don’t we have standing?, and what do we have to do to make sure we have standing in the future?
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The requirements for Standing and the procedure for bringing BO to justice are fully explained in these articles.
http://www.constitution.org/duepr/standing/winter_standing.htm
http://dewdropwarriors.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html
http://standupamericaus.com/our-privilege-our-right-and-our-duty-civilian-grand-jury:33320
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Natural Born Citizen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
“On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood, including the text, “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”[71] The vote passed 378-0.[72]”
This appears to prove that the Republicans were “snookered”
Ms. Helga 10:33 AM
After reading quite a few comments from my previous post, I have come to the following conclusion – WE HAVE GOT THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE
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Ms. Helga, that quote from the Czech newspaper earlier in the year keeps going over in my head. Since it ties in with what you have just said and my own reading of some of those comments, I am going to repost it here, although it has been in the past. We need to be reminded of this:
This quote was translated into English from an article in the Czech Republic paper, Prager Zeitung, on 28 April 2010:
“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.
The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”
Our work is laid out for us and it isn’t going to be easy. Educate, educate!!
Good afternoon Cabby….
At least the Czecks know what we are dealing with in America! and that seems to be the problem….not that Obama is a fool and now president…but the real threat is the citizens who put him there to begin with.
Now we know what the Czeck Republic thinks of “our president”! I wonder how many other countries harbor the same sentiments?
Did anyone locate the mailing address for Lt.Col.Lakin’s?
bob strauss | December 17, 2010 at 10:35 am |
Jonah | December 17, 2010 at 8:33 am |
It seems logical that the 2012 election qualifications should require that all presidential candidates provide proof to the Secretary of State that they are at least 35 years old , a resident within the U.S. for fourteen years and that they were born in the U.S.
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Jonah, The above is inaccurate, and you should know that. It is 35 years old, a resident within the US for fourteen years, and be a natural born Citizen. Born in the US is not good enough to be President. I am starting to believe what misstickly said about you being an obot.
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Perhaps I should have repeated “natural born citizen”. The statement is not inaccurate. If you notice, I quoted the Constitution in the preceding paragraph and distinctly used the words “natural born citizen”.
I am not an obot and if Mr. Wells would like indisputable proof I will gladly send it to him.
By the way, I found the email that oldsalt sent to me dated May 1, 2010 after he personally examined one of my family COLBs and compared it to the Obama COLB on Factcheck. Keep in mind that oldsalt was in the printing business for years and his expertise is printing and paper. Whereas my interest is in genealogy. Here is an exact quote.……
“However I was able to examine the raised seal at several levels of magnification. The one used on the CERTIFICATIONolb appears to be consistent with the seal used on your CERTIFICATEolb. I checked both at points where there would be no difference expected. Then again at several points where there Would be differences expected. I could determine no difference in layout”.
Old salt uses CERTIFICATIONolb when referring to the Obama COLB because Obama’s is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH and my COLB as CERTIFICATEolb because my COLBs are titled CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. I can only surmise that this may be attributed to the fact that Obama’s form has a revision date of 11/01 and mine is 10/08. Why the HDOH decided to revise their form in October 2008 just prior to the election is anybody’s guess.
As I have said numerous times here at citizenwells, I suspect the Obama COLBs are phonies but MT’s black and white seal just doesn’t prove anything. Some of her comparisons are assumptions, not facts. If she had a certified Hawaii COLB she would realize that.
I have never misled or deceived anyone. I have not accused anyone else of lying. I have refrained from calling you or anyone else derogatory names. And I do not deserve your insinuations and insults. The good people here can believe me or not. Discernment is up to them.
CW,
The problem we are facing is much deeper than what it may appear. It is not just a matter of Obama showing is birth certificate and the right of us people to see it.
The issue has to do with national security and classified information.
It is even classified that certain information is classified. This all developed in WWII and then the Cold War.
I believe the information about Obama is classified due to his work for the CIA. The CIA has guarunteed to select parties Obama’s natural born status. That is why all the Conservatives “in the know” pooh-pooh the “birthers.”
So the deeper problem is the creation of a hidden arm of government that operates outside the checks and balances of the Constitution. Congress is supposed to have oversight, but most congressmen are not interested in this kind of oversight. They want the CIA and like organizations to do the “dirty work” and leave them out of it.
Because of what is in place, even a Conservative hero like Ronald Reagan bypassed the Constitution in his use of the CIA and other like agencies. So it is a deep problem.
I first became aware of this problem during service in Vietnam. We took an oath to defend the Constitution. Then, while in Vietnam, I was told to cross over into Laos for a special mission, violating the neutrality of Laos in a military operation, which we were party to in a treaty. According to the Constitution, treaty law is “the supreme law of the land.” Yet I was told to violate this treaty. My ID, Geneva Convention card and dog tags were all taken away and I was told if killed or captured while in Laos, the US would disavow me and my actions.
This was not a unique occurance. Like I said, Reagan’s arms deal to support the Contras in Central America was such a violation.
So, from the inside, elitist point of view, it is patriotic to support whatever is deemed necessary for “National Security.”
Please pass this on and watch the video.Wake Up America!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQfoFzJUsb0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QvT5jFZ0_A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5LwAqwZ3-c&feature=related
It is time to wake up America!We are a Republic not a Democracy!
Please visit my site on one way you can take some action. I promise, you will feel less helpless by sending just one email knowing it is a square-on punch in the face to the editor, people and criminals at Factcheck.org:
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/chicago-thugs-vs-the-founders-2/
I hope everyone reading it will please act on it! Thank you!
Please America listen to your Founding Fathers!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31E4YXfvIfc&feature=related
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458
Gaping Holes in Airline Security: Secret Tests At LAX, O’Hare, Newark Show TSA Screeners Missed Guns, Bombs
MATTHEW MOSK
Last fall, as he had done hundreds of times, Iranian-American businessman Farid Seif passed through security at a Houston airport and boarded an international flight.
He didn’t realize he had forgotten to remove the loaded snub nose “baby” Glock pistol from his computer bag. But TSA officers never noticed as his bag glided along the belt and was x-rayed. When he got to his hotel after the three-hour flight, he was shocked to discover the gun traveled unnoticed from Houston.
“It’s just impossible to miss it, you know. I mean, this is not a small gun,” Seif told ABC News. “How can you miss it? You cannot miss it.”
misstickly | December 17, 2010 at 1:54 pm |
Thank you TerriK for all of your hard work.
And if anyone can or would please post a link somewhere at FreeRepublic for those many interested people, please do so. It’s too important to not get the word out over there. I can’t post because was banned as a ‘troll’ for outing some Obot plants, but I regularly still get messages, words of encouragement and pings from freepers who are interested in what I have found and what I have to say. Anyway, whether anyone there thinks I am troll or not–I am not doing Obama or Factcheck.org any favors right now.=)
[Please visit my site on one way you can take some action. I promise, you will feel less helpless by sending just one email knowing it is a square-on punch in the face to the editor, people and criminals at Factcheck.org:
http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/chicago-thugs-vs-the-founders-2/
I hope everyone reading it will please act on it! Thank you!]
Thank you Paxson, you have been very generous to me with your words of encouragement, in particular. Don’t think I haven’t noticed.=)
Thank you ‘Hotlanta Mike’ for leaving a link at FR!
Thank you TerriK
I know you have put much work into to attempting to discover the truth about Obama. LTC Lakin did even more, he risked his entire life and liberty. Life goes on for all of us, but how many now believe that we are in the United States of America that our parents knew? How about our grandparents? Citizens live in fear of the government, we are watched by Big Brother but we are not heard. The truth will be guarded carefully, as it could set us free again.
Pete
Jonah, I am just sick and tired of people disrespecting the natural born Citizens of this country. Born in the US is not enough to qualify as a natural born Citizen, you must be born of Citizens, not foreigners. The Obama crowd adulterates the meaning, and cheapens it, to the point where natural born Americans are thrown in to the pot with the anchor babies. I am just sick of this disrespect.
Free Speech | December 17, 2010 at 2:06 pm |
The airport screeners get too hung up worrying about knitting needles, crochet hooks and embroidery scissors rather than worrying about something like a gun!! I know that because I recently had an experience over the issue… knitting needles are in fact allowed in personal luggage but not embroidery scissors!!!!
I forgot that they also got hung up over the blunt ended wool needles. The experience did not end badly because the items were added to luggage that was being checked to go in the cargo hold.
Hey Jonah, What if our Iranian buddy named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad impregnates a NYC prostitute during a visit to the U.N. and the child is born on U.S. soil? Would that child qualify as a Natural Born Citizen? Just askin’!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1210/Ban_on_US_trials_for_Guantanamo_prisoners_passes_House_again.html
Ban on U.S. trials for Guantanamo prisoners passes House again
It’s looking like President Barack Obama’s decision about where to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other Guantanamo prisoners is about to get a lot simpler.
The stripped-down defense authorization bill which passed the House this afternoon contains language that would effectively ban civilian trials for war-on-terror prisoners at Guantanamo and place new limits on transfers from Guantanamo to other countries. The ban, which prohibits transfers to the U.S. for any reason, would be in place through the end of the fiscal year next September
The bill passed, 341-48. A total of 42 House Democrats voted no, including some of the best-known liberals, though it was not immediately clear if the Guantanamo provisions triggered their dissent. Six Republicans also voted against the bill.
The legislation is a joint product of the Senate and House Armed Services committee leadership. As a result, the Senate is expected to act soon on an identical measure.
Just before passage, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) touted the restrictions as the toughest ever, per my colleague Jen DiMascio:
It prohibits the release of detainees into the United States or its territories. It prohibits the transfer or release of detainees into the United States or its territories. It prohibits the use of any DOD funding to build or modify any DOD facility in the United States for the detention of any Guantanamo detainee. This restriction applies not only to Thomson, Illinois, but to the whole country. It prohibits the transfer or release of any Guantanamo Bay detainee to any country which has received a detainee and allowed that detainee to return to the battlefield. This is the most thorough and comprehensive set of restrictions ever placed on the transfer and release of detainees. It is substantially stronger than current law, and voting against this bill will have the effect of making it easier to bring detainees into the United States and easier to transfer them to countries that have failed to hold them in the past.
In May, the House voted for similar language banning transfers to the U.S. However, the Senate has never passed such a ban and advocates for closure of Guantanamo hoped that the Senate would manage to water down such legislation. Instead, it appears at this writing to be acquiescing in the House approach.
When the House passed similar language on a spending bill last week, Attorney General Eric Holder wrote to Senate leaders asking them to reject it as an improper intrusion on Executive Branch authority. However, Holder and other administration officials pointedly refused to say whether Obama would veto a bill containing such a restriction. Obama has said he favors civilian trials in principle,
BREAKING: FACTCHECK.ORG PROVIDED FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT OBAMA’S HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/2010/12/breaking-fact-checkorg-provided-false.html
Dean M. | December 17, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
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You know that while I am unsure of your theory, I have never bashed it because it makes sense. It makes as much sense as anything else out there.
But you remind me that I do have a question. If Soetoro really worked for the CIA, why would it be hard for them to say that publicly? They don’t have to give any details, just say that from 19xx-19yy he worked on several missions for them. In order to run the op, they had to destroy his real records and plant phony ones. (This should not be hard to admit. It is widely known and understood that CIA does this – and nobody anywhere is all wee-wee-ed up over it – it is a necessary part of their ‘art’). Then this whole thing would be over.
In fact – consider this – even if untrue – they could claim this and it would all be over. Hmmmm.
“CALL FOR OBAMA’S RESIGNATION CITES “DECEIT, FRAUD, DISHONESTY”
‘We can wait no longer for a traditional change of power and new government’
By Bob Unruh
June 08, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=164409
# # # #
“ARMY SLAMS DOOR ON OBAMA DETAILS”
“Lt. Col. Lakin hearing: ‘Items pertaining to president’s credentials are not relevant'”
By Bob Unruh
June 03, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240373
Excerpt:
“In my view our constitutional jurisprudence allows Congress alone, and not a military judicial body, to put the president’s credentials on trial,” wrote Daniel J. Driscoll in a memorandum determining what evidence the defense for Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin will be allowed to explore at next week’s hearing.”
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“GENERAL: OBAMA RECORDS “CRITICAL” TO OUR “REPUBLIC”
“McInerney: Eligibility issue ‘of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined'”
By Bob Unruh
August 31, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=197837
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“ELIGIBILITY CHALLENGER: ARMY CONVICTED ME WITHOUT TRIAL” “Lakin: ‘Derogatory remarks come from charges still under investigation'”
By Bob Unruh
July 17, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=180029
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“MILITARY JUDGE TO LAKIN: FIND ANOTHER DEFENSE”
“Rules that officer challenging Obama’s eligibility can’t see evidence”
By Thom Redmond
September 02, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=198465
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“LAKIN: I CHOOSE THE WRONG PATH”
“Army doctor questioning Obama’s eligibility convicted on all counts”
By Brian Fitzpatrick
December 15, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240373
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“LAKIN SENTENCED: DISMISSAL, 6 MONTHS”
“Appeal automatic in situations when officer given ‘punitive’ separation”
By Brian Fitzpatrick
December 16, 2010
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240513
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Bankroller | December 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm |
Hey Jonah, What if our Iranian buddy named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad impregnates a NYC prostitute during a visit to the U.N. and the child is born on U.S. soil? Would that child qualify as a Natural Born Citizen? Just askin’!
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Bankroller, I’m not “Jonah” but have been reading her posts for a long time. With all due respect, I cannot understand for the life of me why there are several posters here who seem to want to “pile on”. If the NBC issue is going to bring out such incivility in folks, then maybe we should step back, take a deep breath, and get our bearings. Maybe we are just too distraught over what has happened this week, and it is causing us to slip away from decent manners. I mean no harm.
“CRUCIBLE OF A HERO”
American Thinker
By Richard Kantro
December 15, 2010
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/crucible_of_a_hero.html
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http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/crucible-of-hero-american-thinker.html
Notes of Clarification: The article does not mention that Terry has already been convicted based on his plea of guilty and that Terry confessed that his orders were legal. It also says he was charged with conduct unbecoming an officer. No such charge was ever made. SOC Staff.
Excerpt:
“In fact, there is more than a certified, long-form birth certificate — a lot more — about Barack “Barry Soetoro” Hussein Obama that no one outside of the hermetic world of sworn-to-silence hospital personnel, state vital records workers, and college bursar-level functionaries has ever seen. A partial list would include, in addition, Neolani kindergarten records; the Obama-Dunham marriage license; the Obama-Dunham divorce records; the Soetoro-Dunham marriage license; Soetoro adoption records; the Punahou School application and records; Noelami Elementary School records; the Soetoro-Dunham divorce; consistent selective service registration info; SAT scores; LSAT scores; Occidental College records; financial aid records; passports; Columbia University records; putative Columbia thesis on “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”; Harvard University records; Harvard Law Review records; any writings as President of the Harvard Law Review beyond one tough anti-fetus fragment; Illinois bar records; certificates of baptism or adoption; medical records; Illinois State Senate records, from 1997-2004, Illinois State Senate schedule; law practice client list while at Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard; University of Chicago scholarly articles; and more. Oh, but we do have a document from the Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, a Catholic institution, which shows him enrolled as Barry Soetoro: as a Muslim and an Indonesian.
I stated at the outset is that Lakin’s stature is assured despite the verdict. Here’s why. The charges are (i) that he missed his deployment flight; and (ii) conduct unbecoming an officer. He has, in the early stages of his trial, been denied discovery, and the presentation of witnesses, evidence, or argument in defense of his position. That position necessarily goes to the heart of whether Obama should hold the White House keys. Conviction on the charges seems inescapable. The military court is not likely to risk uncovering an inconvenient truth about the acting President, if there be one. Were Lakin to be exonerated — which seems all but impossible — then the tribunal would be staring in the face the propriety of all things Obama, a task far too sensitive for it. And the question of his provenance would fairly beg itself into being before Court could adjourn. And on the other hand, if Lakin is convicted, well, society will be no closer to probing the mystery of the guarded origins and persona of the Commander-in-Thief. Which will make doubly urgent Lakin’s reach for the grail of truth, and for others to take up his cause.
Among all the comfortable, set-for-life politicos, officials, appointees, careerists, officeholders, aides-de-camp, campaigners, supporters, friends and hangers-on in and during the Obama era, there has not been a single high-level, principled resignation. No stand in protest of what, if Obama’s position is the usurpation it could be, the most devious high crime ever perpetrated by and against American government. Lakin’s honorable course is a rebuke to today’s so-called leaders, who, cowering in suspense, would not all taken together approach the equal of this man.
Terry Lakin is putting at risk his own life; his own fortune; and his own sacred honor. He has invited his own court-martial, scorn, possible conviction, and disapprobation; loss of rank, position, and pension; loss of the future; danger to family and impoverishment; and possible hard jail time at Leavenworth. All this for the exalted goal of fealty to a Constitution his every step of the way towards protecting which is blocked by the government that administered the oath he took, and which oath he must contravene, only to be able to honor it in the extreme. The greatness of battlefield valor notwithstanding, this is bravery of another order.
This is the kind of courage — after the crawling, burrowing, light-averse invertebrates of the political landscape have long since slithered away and vanished — that gets statues of a man built in public squares. This kind of courage gets folk songs and laureate poems written for a man, and they will be written for him. This kind of courage guarantees — even a hundred years from now — that parents will still be proud to give their little boys names like Terrence Lakin Jones.”
FROM: http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/crucible-of-hero-american-thinker.html
“REPORTING FROM LAKIN’S COURT MARTIAL – IT’S A JOKE”
By Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire
December 15, 2010
From: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=16507
“Lakin’s court martial trial can be illustrated with a following example:
Say a Nazi officer refuses to serve in a Nazi army. He is being harassed and intimidated by the regime. When time comes for his court martial, he says “Well I am not really against the Nazi army, Nazis are great people, are swell, I just don’t like the colour of their uniforms”
That is exactly what happened at Lakin’s court martial. Originally Lakin recorded a video statement, that he is not going to Afghanistan because we have an illegitimate commander in Chief, who does not even have a valid birth certificate with a name of a doctor and hospital, no valid social security number and a citizenship of 3 foreign nations. At the preliminary trial Denice Lind, the presiding judge, no doubt a puppet of the regime, told him that he is not allowed to talk about Obama’s illegitimacy, that he is not allowed to bring his witnesses or evidence talking about Obama’s illegitimacy, so the whole court martial was reduced to a farce, a well scripted and orchestrated farce. His attorney was reduced to a circus clown. Judge Lind told him to find another excuse, so finally at the trial Lakin plead guilty to 3 charges, which carry potentially 18 months in military prison and he came up with a garbage excuse on a more serious charge of missing a movement. His defense, is that he was told to get on a plane, but he did not have a duty to get on a specific plane to fly to TN, to fort Campbell. the whole defense was a joke. There is a very high probability he will be convicted, but they will reduce his time or may just discharge him without pension or benefits and will give him a suspended sentence.
In my opinion the defense was supposed to honestly state at trial, that Judge Denise Lind is preventing them of providing a meaningful and effective defense, that they demand to recuse her and have a court martial with another judge. They should have reported her for judicial misconduct and appealed up to the Supreme Court, if need be and demand judicial revue of the House Judicial committee. With an incoming Republican congress, they would have obtained a meaningful review of their grievance in Congress.
If you are a member of U.S. military, please fill out an article 138 grievance and send it up the chain of command up to admiral Mullin and cc to the house Judiciary committee, (upcoming chair is congressman Lamar Smith from TX) and cc me to orly.taitz@gmail.com. Congress cannot ignore hundreds and thousands of article 138 grievances.”
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http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/133639-to-obama-wimps-dont-win
To Obama: Wimps don’t win
By Dick Morris – 12/14/10 06:13 PM ET
Moving to the center is not a two-dimensional process. It has a third dimension — the difference between strength and weakness. In the course of coming in from the cold of his extreme far-left positions, the president looks like a wimp, abandoning his long-held views in the face of electoral defeats, adverse court rulings, recalcitrant Democrats and strong, united Republican opposition.
And wimps don’t win.
Now the UN wants to get in on the act:
UN mulls internet regulation options
WikiLeaks sparks push for tighter controls.
The United Nations is considering whether to set up an inter-governmental working group to harmonise global efforts by policy makers to regulate the internet.
For more:
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/242051,un-mulls-internet-regulation-options.aspx
AN EXCELLENT MUST READ ARTICLE!!
“DEMOCRATS: PUT DOWN YOUR SCHEMING PROPOSITIONS AND LEAVE THE CAPITOL” – AND DON’T EVER COME BACK!!!
by Sher Zieve ©2010
Dec. 16, 2010
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/12/16/democrats-put-down-your-scheming-propositions-and-leave-the-capitol-building
EXCELLENT!! MUST READ!!
“CHANGING AMERICA!!”
DISMANTLING AMERICA:
http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2010/12/15/changing_america/page/full/
Excerpt:
“Dr. Thomas Sowell, in “Dismantling America,” said in reference to President Obama, “That such an administration could be elected in the first place, headed by a man whose only qualifications to be president of the United States at a dangerous time in the history of the world were rhetoric, style and symbolism — and whose animus against the values and institutions of America had been demonstrated repeatedly over a period of decades beforehand — speaks volumes about the inadequacies of our educational system and the degeneration of our culture.” Obama is by no means unique; his characteristics are shared by other Americans, but what is unique is that no other time in our history would such a person been elected president. That says a lot about the degeneration of our culture, values, thinking abilities and acceptance of what’s no less than tyranny. As Sowell says, “Barack Obama is unlike any other President of the United States in having come from a background of decades of associations and alliances with people who resent this country and its people.”
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“We’ve become a nation of thieves, accustomed to living at the expense of one another and to accommodate that we’re obliged to support tyrannical and overreaching government.
Adolf Hitler had it right when he said, “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.”
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Cabby- Once upon a time long ago, and seemingly far away your statement “Our work is laid out for us and it isn’t going to be easy. Educate, educate!!” would have been achievable. I fear we have gone too far over the edge.
Having nothing whatsoever to do with race, but having everything to do with class/values/mores, we have allowed the following to occur on our watch:
1) Not insisting that English be declared the official language of the USA thereby creating a permanent underclass by mandating (and funding) translations everywhere: from ballots, to schools, to ERs.
2) Not repealing the 14th Amendment. Birthright citizenship must stop being granted to babies born to illegal aliens. Period. End of story. As must funding their education, their health care, their very lives via: welfare and food stamps, not to mention those they fund in “their country” via wire transfers “back home”.
2) Accepting out of wedlock pregnancy as being perfectly fine. Remember when the word “bastard” was something to be ashamed of? Perhaps some of you do.
5) Allowing our culture to become debased where self professed “gangstas” became people to be emulated, while law abiding citizens are considered uncool.
So now, the “American culture” has been changed. A permanent underclass has been created and elevated while those who labor to enable the underclass to collect “their due” are told they are “greedy”, and that they must give more, more, more!
Either Ayn Rand was a prophetess or she was sleeping with someone on the inside as Atlas Shrugs before our eyes.
As to the incivility issue, I agree. This particular topic has brought about feelings of anger and frustration with a vengeance. I think we all agree it’s reprehensible behavior. We could be childish and harbor feelings of hostility or we can act as adults and unite because it’s the patriotic, necessary thing to do.
Variation on a theme…
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN’T MEAN YOU SHOULD
Freedom of Speech –
You can burn the American Flag, but that doesn’t mean you should.
You could as a government run organization subsidize and fund artists that create trash for artwork which contain racists’ comments about white people, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Illegal Immigration –
You could walk across the border from Mexico into the United States and be apprehended up to 6 times before you are arrested, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Political Correctness –
You could print instructions or record voice mail prompts on any one of hundreds of alternate languages, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Freedom of Religion –
You could remove God from the public square in your everyday activities, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Voting –
You could vote for a representative to any office that will care more about the K street lobbyists and special interest groups than America’s best interest, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Parenting –
You could buy your kid a pair of tennis shoes that cost $125 every six months just so he will like you, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Commerce –
You could go on eBay and sell someone a bill of goods, but that doesn’t mean you should.
You could steal Girl Scout cookies from the troop set up outside of your local Krogers and sell them on eBay, but that doesn’t mean you should.
You could overlook a decent American in order to not pay him/her a decent wage and hire an illegal immigrant instead, but that doesn’t mean you should.
You could load your deli meat and pet food with garbage, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Sexism –
You could hire twice as many police officers and TSA agents as you really need because half of them has to be a woman and protected by the other half, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Too Much TV –
You could sit in front of TV watching little league championship baseball games from 1973 on ESPN, but that doesn’t mean you should.
Supreme Court –
You could fall asleep while on the bench as a Supreme Court Justice, but that doesn’t mean you should.
I’m OK – You’re …
(Forgiven if You Repent and Ask For Forgiveness)
Pixel Patriot
12.17.2010
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Ob-la-di, ob-la-da, life goes on, brah!…
Lala how the life goes on.
Rosemary Woodhouse | December 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm |
Cabby- Once upon a time long ago, and seemingly far away your statement “Our work is laid out for us and it isn’t going to be easy. Educate, educate!!” would have been achievable. I fear we have gone too far over the edge.
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Rosemary, I DO appreciate your thoughts and have to agree. I think that Starla’s recent post in which Dr. Thomas Sowell is quoted gives a very good background as to what we face, as well as the points you make.
I guess my statement, “Educate, educate!!” was meant in a very in-depth way, not as a quick remedy. This problem we face – the decline of morality and loss of patriotism – didn’t come upon us all of a sudden. Now we realize more than ever that it has been “in the works” for decades. Consequently, it is not going to be undone in a short period of time. Our educational system has been undermined for years.
What we really need in this country is a great spiritual awakening that touches from the highest to the lowest. Only Almighty God bringing that about, is my personal conviction.
You make some excellent points, and I always enjoy reading your posts.
Amen, Cabby. I always enjoy reading your posts as well. Thank you.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644297/posts
WikiLeaks’ Jew-Hating Staff
FrontPage Magazine ^ | 12/17/10 | Ryan Mauro
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 4:46:47 PM by Nachum
If you needed any more proof of WikiLeaks’ extremist agenda, look no further than Israel Shamir, the Holocaust denier who is in charge of distributing the organization’s documents to the Russian media. The involvement of Shamir, who also supports Ahmadinejad and refers to Palestinian terrorists as “martyrs,” should put to rest any doubt that WikiLeaks’ rhetoric about transparency is just a cloak for its anti-American and anti-Western agenda.
As Michael C. Moynihan exposed, Shamir has a long track record of anti-Semitism, including Holocaust denial. Shamir described Auschwitz as “an internment facility, attended by the Red Cross (as opposed to the US internment centre in Guantanamo.” He told another journalist and fellow Holocaust denier that “it’s every Muslim and Christian’s duty to deny the Holocaust.”
Free Speech | December 17, 2010 at 7:29 pm |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644297/posts
WikiLeaks’ Jew-Hating Staff
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Thanks for this post, FS. Now there seems to be further transparency into the real WikiLeaks’ agenda. Up to now there have been mixed feelings on the part of many as to exactly what Assange’s real motives are.
Some feel that he is a true “hero” for what he has done, while others, including myself, do not share that sentiment. Not only is George Soros very pleased with WikiLeaks, but now we find out that infamous Jew bashers of the world are also quite gratified. Imho, it is not hard to take sides on THIS issue.
“Commander Charles Kerchner’s first thoughts on the lynching of Political Prisoner LTC Terry Lakin at his kangaroo court-martial trial.”
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/commander-charles-kerchners-first.html
This is why we will not see our borders secured under Obama:
Obama Quietly Erasing Borders
Written by CAA Politics on December 17, 2010, 10:26 AM
JEROME R. CORSI
Acting quietly, below the radar of U.S. public opinion and without congressional approval, the Obama administration is implementing a key policy objective of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP, to erase the border with Mexico and Canada.
The administration is acting under a State Department-declared policy initiative described in a March 23 fact sheet titled “United States-Mexico Partnership: A New Border Vision.”
Read more:
http://conservativeactionalerts.com/blog_post/show/1729
Dean M…………………………………
Excellent viewpoint! But irregardless what the price of beans are in Boston the fact remains that Soetoro cannot legally hold the office of potus mainly because he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. His father was NOT A US CITIZEN. He was born legally a Brirish subject, no matter WHERE the birth occurred. If it occurred in Hawaii it still doesn’t alter the fact that he was not born to TWO US citizens. In 1961 Soetoro’s mother was UNDERAGE. As the laws existed THEN she could not confer citizenship to her infant even if he WAS born in Hawaii. She was the only parent legally in charge of the infant,at the time he was born. There was NOT TWO US citizens legally married at the time of his birth. In addition he was allegedly legally adopted by Lolo Soetoro which caused him to have a dual citizenship. This compounds the fact that she was also underage. All of this is relatively unimportant because his father was NOT A US CITIZEN. To qualify for the POTUS office the candidate MUST have been born in the US to TWO US CITIZENS, legally married. Sadly try as he might,Soetoro cannot get around the dates of these facts. He can lie about this and bullsh## about that ,but at the end of the day he is still NOT A NBC,and therefore NOT eligible to hold the OFFICE of POTUS. This is all PRIOR to his alleged involvement with the CIA,therefore the prior status all applies. Just my own interpretation of the facts. Not meant to offend!
Hey MRS. Aussie…good to have you back, mate. As you can tell things here in the states are still as depressing as ever. I really hope that the levy breaks in January. More than likely, they’ll just use all of the information as blackmail on the President and treat him like a marionette until 2012. Which means two more long years of this b.s.
GORDO | December 17, 2010 at 8:41 pm |
“Commander Charles Kerchner’s first thoughts on the lynching of Political Prisoner LTC Terry Lakin at his kangaroo court-martial trial.”
“Via Commander Kerchner; Right now the only word I can think of is a disgraceful travesty and complete unconcern by those who prosecuted LTC Lakin, and also those in the defense counsel…’
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Didn’t Cmdr Kerchner say that Lakin’s lawyer, Puckett, did a “Brilliant Job?”
When did he change his mind after Lakin was convicted?
Sadly there are still many people even very intelligent people who think that Soetoro is part of the Military because he is allegedly the POTUS. HE IS NOT PART OF THE MILITARY. HE IS the CIVILIAN counterpart,but has NO links to the military,other than being the CINC. Nor is he under the UCMJ. He is not affected by the UCMJ. Researched this fact today and yesterday. Also talked with the CO of the 293rd infantry regiment, and he reiterated what I already knew. Pieter Nosworthy has stated that Soetoro is part of the military.
Dean M. | December 17, 2010 at 1:01 pm |
Dean, while fascinating, everything that you said here is mere speculation. I have looked into all of the aspects of the possible CIA connection and I believe that it definitely could be true. However, I get so exhausted listening to all of the theories, everyone of them plausible (so don’t get me wrong here). Whether or not he was in the CIA really does not pertain to his eligibility (except for your speculation that they are “classified”).
There is enough information in the public domain to tell us that Barack Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen due to his birth as a dual citizen and a father who was a foreign national. Then there are the anomolies in the COLB, the Indonesia connection, the phony draft registration, all of the stuff that Jerome Corsi unearthed, TerriK, Polarik’s, and other’s work, and on and on and on. Not to mention all of the other corruption that I am hoping that the Republicans begin to expose in January.
You can spend your time pondering all of the “what if’s”, but I’m a big believer in the K.I.S.S. principle. Eventually the layers of the onion will be peeled back and your (and others) theory regarding the CIA will be proven correct, but I think that our time is better spent educating people on what we currently know and not what we think could be. Also, my end conclusion regarding the CIA is so what>? That doesn’t preclude him from the Presidency.
To Paxson | December 17, 2010 at 10:21 pm |
I, also, take note of Dean M.’s beliefs and appreciate his ability to communicate them well, and there is nothing wrong or out of place with expressing them in this forum. But as you point out, all of our personal theories are really speculation and we SHOULD use the K.I.S.S. method, especially in our explanations to outsiders, as we attempt to convince them of O’s ineligibility.
For openers, I like CW’s approach as to why O has spent so much in legal fees to keep his records secret. Also, a good poser is, “What is he hiding and why is he hiding it?” Those questions arouse interest, or should, if a person has any thinking ability at all.
Then going more deeply into the issue, one can use O’s own words as to his Kenyan father, who as a British citizen, conferred that on O, and keeping O from ever being a NBC as we believe the Constitution interprets it. That alone disqualifies him, unless it is proven that his father is not O, Sr., in which case O is a liar and a fraud, because he has misrepresented himself.
Then you have pointed out the surrounding, questionable areas. In our discourse with others, if we get into too much complexity as to various theories, we lose the listeners, who relegate us to the “kook” status. From then on their minds close up, in most cases. Frankly, I believe we should use the K.I.S.S. method when we communicate with Congress. Many of them don’t have the capacity to absorb too much either, sad to say.
Some real hope:
Bachmann appointed to House Intelligence Committee
Incoming GOP House Speaker John Boehner named GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann to the House Intelligence Committee. Here’s a statement from Bachmann on the
“I want to thank Speaker-designate Boehner for extending to me the opportunity to serve on the House Intelligence Committee. It was a leading desire of mine to serve on this panel because of the key role it plays in keeping our nation safe.
“As a mother of five children and 23 foster children, I have a deep appreciation for that portion of our Oath of Office in which members of Congress vow to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.’
That enduring sense of responsibility will help guide me as I serve on this vital committee.”
Cabby – AZ | December 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm |
That’s all that I was saying, Cabby. I wasn’t coming down on Dean. In fact, I think that he very well could be right. You succinctly wrapped up exactly what I was trying to say. No doubt that Dean is a smart and thoughtful person, so I wasn’t going there.
Bankroller | December 17, 2010 at 3:28 pm |
Hey Jonah, What if our Iranian buddy named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad impregnates a NYC prostitute during a visit to the U.N. and the child is born on U.S. soil? Would that child qualify as a Natural Born Citizen? Just askin’!
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Answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade. You need to ask a Constitutional law professor. I know where you can find one.
http://www.congress.org/bio/id/3181
Just click on “Contact” and you can ask him yourself. Or you could send a fax. Or better yet, you can call him on the phone. Be sure to tell us his answer.
Free Speech @ 7:29 pm |
Well I’m a Roman Catholic and I am obligated by God and the Ten Commandments to tell the truth.
“it’s every Muslim and Christian’s duty to deny the Holocaust.”
12 Million Innocents were murdered in the concentration camps of Europe directly by the hand of Hitler. There is video proof, photographs, witness testimony and the documents the Nazi’s meticulously made themselves-row after row, miles after miles of cards in files.
But us Catholics have even more proof-
Father Maximilian KolbeMaximilian Kolbe was a Polish priest who died as prisoner 16670 in Auschwitz, on August 14, 1941. When a prisoner escaped from the camp, the Nazis selected …
http://www.fatherkolbe.com/
One of the 600 Catholic Jews who were murdered in Auschwitz as a result was St Edith Stein. On 2 August 1942 she was arrested by the Gestapo …
http://www.thetablet.co.uk
White House Insider: Jarrett…is the president
NewsFlavor ^ | 12/17//2010 | Ulsterman
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 10:38:29 PM by Bush_Democrat
Despite a busy and complicated schedule, our D.C. Insider manages to give us some emailed responses to a few questions posed to them recently.
Read more:
http://newsflavor.com/politics/world-politics/white-house-insider-jarrett-is-the-president/#ixzz18QxKWPje
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Free Speech @ 11:46 pm |
Romantic isn’t it two of the scuzziest slum landlords to ever crawl out of the sewer systems of that cesspool of corruption Chicago’s South side, an embarrassment to decent, humane people everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDBlABD01U0&feature=related
Paxson | December 17, 2010 at 11:12 pm |
Cabby – AZ | December 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm |
That’s all that I was saying, Cabby. I wasn’t coming down on Dean.
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And I’m very sorry if that was the impression I gave, Paxson. BTW, I thought of another lead-in: S.R. 511, which was co-sponsored by none other than Obama in respect to Sen. McCain’s eligibility. S.R. 511 clearly defines NBC and one can argue that THIS is Obama’s definition, since he co-sponsored it: ” born of US Citizens on US soil, i.e. jus soli jus sanguine.”
Now, once again, by his own definition he does not meet that qualification, unless his father IS someone other than the one he declares, i.e., Barack Obama, Sr. Not to be redundant, but if that is the case, then he has misrepresented himself and absolutely lied about his parentage. He has perpetrated a fraud on the American people. So, in either case, he should NOT be president and he is an illegal occupant of the W.H. How much more plainly can it be argued?
Query: In order to be concise and plain spoken, is it better to omit arguing the forged COLB and the lack of a true birth certificate? It seems that this part of the subject has gathered so much controversy that attention is drawn away from the one point that can be argued more successfully. Any opinions?
Free Speech | December 17, 2010 at 11:46 pm |
White House Insider: Jarrett…is the president
NewsFlavor ^ | 12/17//2010 | Ulsterman
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Something rather noteworthy I picked up from the link you posted, FS:
“Issa. Issa. Issa. Conservatives can’t trust him. I have heard a few reports he has become too cozy with WH. Suspect deal might have been made. OR, he could be playing WH. Uncertain, but word is he might prove all bark and no bite. If Issa does not use his full authority to go after DOJ/WH then 2012 looking much better for Obama.”
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From other things I have read, I tend to suspect Issa, also. I don’t have a link for this, but several months ago I read that Issa had some islamic ties – contributors, or something. Imo, he needs to be watched. The Insider’s suspicions could well be true.
Cabby – AZ | December 18, 2010 at 12:12 am |
No Cabby. You explained exactly what I was saying. To me, the forged COLB is just as big as anything else. Why would the State of Hawaii say that they released that specific document that Obama presented, but danced around it. I think a lower level person one time said that it “appears to look like it is real”.
Who knows about any of those jokers in D.C.
I meant to say why WOULDN’T the state of Hawaii authenticate the specific document (Obama’s COLB)?. I’m not trying to rehash this now…just making a point.
Free Speech | December 17, 2010 at 11:46 pm |
Thanks for the link, FS. Looks like a very dangerous amateur hour. If Issa flakes on us, I don’t know what we’ll do.
Paxson | December 18, 2010 at 12:37 am |
I hear you, Paxson. In other words, it shouldn’t be a matter of “either – or”, but attack with both arguments.
Good night, all.
Just interested, did anybody get the scoop on why Pastor Manning was removed from the courtroom?
The Earth has a Cold.
You Tube ^ | 12-18-10 | Mr. Gone
algore was wrong.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644458/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qdb6wC0Iz4
FS..you seem to be afflicted with the insomnia bug like me… What do you think of Orly’s case? Forgive me if I am wrong, but does her case have to do with discovery as she was handed that $20,000 penalty for a frivilous case? Because of the punitive nature of the fine??
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240913
Paxson | December 18, 2010 at 4:37 am |
What do you think of Orly’s case?
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I don’t think about Orly’s case. If I want to be entertained, I go to the Circus or watch an algore docuDrama.
I ususally sleep well but this Worldwide Deep Freeze does cause me to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXUifNpnpfQ
FS//that is funny. I’ll probably be here again tomorrow. I am having a Christmas party with my family. I need some time away from all of the goings on in this world. It’s maddening to the point that I can’t sleep at night. But I’m sure I’ll be here tomorrow… Thanks for the insight.
I’ll check that link out tomorrow. I read somewhere that Russia is going to have the coldest winter in a 1,000 years caused by the “jet stream”. I’ve been studying it a little bit… Have a good night/morning.
GBAmerica | December 17, 2010 at 11:59 pm |
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He is also Mika’s father. She is Joe Scarbotough’s early morning partner on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” television show. THE INCESTUOUSNESS OF ALL THIS IS INCREDIBLE. Plus GE,which is half owner now of NBC still hasn’t cleaned up the Hudson River from its dumping PCB s into it for years. Immelt,GE’s Head, is Obama’s main business adviser.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gUxYdd8qfk4J:beforeitsnews.com/story/72/878/Zbigniew_Brzezinski:_Evil_Spirit_of_5_US_Presidents_-_And_Biggest_Threat_to_World_Peace.html+Zbigniew+Brzezinski+%2B+Panama+Canal+%2B+gave+away&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Just a simple question now that the Military has shown us where they stand at this juncture of Terry Lakin’s Court Martial and sentencing as the appeal process has yet to be determined:
In the future, will they bow and scrape to a POTUS if commanded to do so and will they follow the laws enacted by turban/hajib wearing Supreme Court Justices?
I am not intimating that bogus potus is a traditional Eastern muslim, as it is obvious he is a member/supporter of the Weather Underground and is a disciple of the Nation of Islam.
I am specifically asking a question as respects the future and a person who has been duly elected by any nefarious means, inaugurated as POTUS who was born to a teen-aged mother, alluding to being born somewhere in the States, is at least 35 years of age and lived in the USA for 14 consecutive years;
or
a person born to one American parent, born on US soil, is 35 and lived in America for 14 years, was elected and certified by the sitting VP, inaugurated on the 20th of January 20xx and is subjected to follow/obey Sharia by the Nature of being born a muslim.
Paxson I saw your comment. The best part about being home again is not facing being seasick !!