Tim Adams Obama not born in Hawaii, Adams witness in 2008 elections, Left attempts to distort, Citizen Wells open thread, September 26, 2010

Tim Adams Obama not born in Hawaii, Adams witness in 2008 elections, Left attempts to distort

“Why has Obama, for over 2 years, employed numerous private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records?”…Citizen Wells and millions of concerned Americans

I am trying to determine the status of the testimony of Tim Adams,  an election official in Hawaii during 2008 election, who is the only potential witness to come forward. Tim Adams stated that Obama was not born in Hawaii and for that reason he was given a Certification of Live Birth by the state of Hawaii. He also stated that because Obama was a US citizen, that he was eligible to be president. That is absolutely incorrect. Adams also goes on to assume that those who question Obama’s eligibility are racists or are politically motivated. That is an ignorant assumption.

It’s the Constitution stupid!

In the following video, Adams states:

“They like my data but not my conclusions.”

Adams, your conclusions are not the law. They are your opinions.

Far left websites are trying to downplay and twist what Adams has attested to. I believe that it has been confirmed that Tim Adams did in fact have the position with the State of Hawaii in 2008 as an election official.

I am seeking the truth, facts. What is the current status of Tim Adams and his testimony?

213 responses to “Tim Adams Obama not born in Hawaii, Adams witness in 2008 elections, Left attempts to distort, Citizen Wells open thread, September 26, 2010

  1. Aussie | September 26, 2010 at 1:44 am |
    Isn’t it time that Helen was placed on permanent moderation? These outbursts are getting worse by the day.

    Helen needs to either take her medication or be sent to a hospital where she can recover from her obvious meltdown.

    These are rantings of someone who has lost total balance with the world.
    ===============================================

    We have intelligent discussion here when the sunstein obot/psyop citizen carlyle/bo is in moderation. All the other obots feed off him. If anyone should be in permanent moderation, it is cc/bo.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  2. Aussie | September 26, 2010 at 2:40 am |

    U R way off base with your disinformation about myself and CW. UR attack on me personally arouses suspicion. As Bill G., Paxon, Dr. Sewell and others have noted citizen carlyle/bo is clearly a sunstein/bo obot/psyop.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  3. CW,

    I can not divulge the substance of my emails with Mr. Adams because I gave him my word that they would be confidential, but your conclusions may be correct.

  4. HonorFirst | September 26, 2010 at 10:11 am |
    OMG…..if anything, I think Rod Serling took over this site. Can we please stop all this bickering and get back to the good ole days of decent, pertinent discussion?
    ================================================

    sunstein/bo obots are going to continue to infiltrate all conservative forums that is their mission to disrupt from intelligent discussion. Banning cc/bo permanently would be a good start since he is the lead obot assigned to this forum and all the other obots feed off him, but we will not be rid of the obots until bo and sunstein are indicted and removed from office. That is just the way it is.

  5. I’m reposting a recent article by Mark Steyn. I think it’s very interesting about placating the Muslims.

    http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3505/26/

  6. Tina | September 26, 2010 at 10:41 am |

    Excellent article, thanks Tina.

  7. Thanks, Free Speech.

  8. Thanks in advance.

    SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 10:35 am |
    FreeSpeech,

    I agree with your prior comment questioning what muslims have contributed. I ask this question frequently to no avail. I cannot place my finger on any advancement in Science,/Technology, Art, Literature and much more for any Isamic muslim contribution.

    All the advancements in the Middle East recognized today, ie the Great Pryramids, Alexander the Great and the likes, were all “Pre-Islaimic” advancements and went into ruins after the Muslim conquest of destruction.

    So they sacked and destroyed other pre-exisiting places, tore down the religious building and erected a mosque in its place, big deal. And that’s called contribution to todays technology? Obama and others that believe this are doing nothing but trying to re-write histroy to promote Islam, being factually incorrect, and are historically mis-leading.

    Next the Muslims and Obama will take away Al Gore”s “I created the internet” fame away from him, LOL.
    ===================================

    Well Said, SW. muslims have caused nothing but death and destruction in every country that they have conquered.

    algore destroyed what little credibility he had left when he became an obot.

  9. Tina | September 26, 2010 at 10:49 am |
    Thanks, Free Speech.
    ===============================

    Thank U Tina, I am glad U R here. You contribute greatly to intelligent discussion.

  10. Has anyone heard from Larry Sinclair???he posted this on his facebook info. it’s dated for today…..
    Entered this world September 26, 1961 exited this world September 26, 2010.

  11. Thanks again, Free Speech. I like history. It puts things in perspective for me and makes us see how the MSM has totally lost its way.

  12. Tennbrock – I hope someone finds him very soon.

  13. He posted some video’s on his facebook site and said he will take them down later today…..
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Larry-Sinclair-for-Congress-2010/183979629077?v=wall#!/pages/Larry-Sinclair-for-Congress-2010/183979629077?v=wall

    Zach, Have you heard anything from Larry???

  14. FYI

    Just wanted y’all to know that this year’s flu shot has something else in
    it: The H1N1 vaccine! It’s just not your regular seasonal flu shot this
    time around.

    You may recall that all last year I banged the drum on blogs and to my
    friends NOT to get the H1N1 shot, as it was an
    untested/unproven/potentially dangerous vaccine which had lovely
    ingredients in it like animal cancer cells. They have so much of this
    garbage vaccine left that they’re slipping it into the seasonal flu shot
    this year. Has anyone even heard of any H1N1 cases recently??? Please be
    aware of this, and make the decision that’s best for you.

    On Friday I got in touch with an old friend at work who happens to be an RN specializing in Immunology and Infectious Diseases; I asked her if it was true that this year’s seasonal flu shot will have a few surprises in it, and her answer was ‘yes.’ She sent me the following links:

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/1011season.htm

    Question and answer 4 should tell you everything you need to know….the H1N1 vaccine is indeed in there, as is the vaccine for H3N2, which is a swine strain found mostly on farms; however, there have been some isolated cases of H3N2 in the U.S. this year.

    So, in this year’s flu shot, you’ll be getting the regular seasonal vaccine, plus the H1N1 vaccine and the H3N2 vaccine. I’m just wondering if they’ll tell you what’s in the shot at your local flu clinic; if they don’t, I can smell the lawsuits from here. Less than 50% of the population was duped into getting the H1N1 vaccine last time around, so they’re gonna try to shove it down our throats this fall; we *don’t want it* but they’ve found a way to give it to us, anyway.

    Here’s the CDC’s latest propaganda sheet; again, they spell out what’s in this year’s shot:

    Click to access vis-flu.pdf

    Please think long and hard about getting this shot.

  15. Free Speech,
    algore destroyed what little credibility he had left when he became an obot.
    **********************************************
    algore has to suck up to the usurper in order to get his carbon tax scheme promoted. Also, I think algore must be one of the old white guys Obama keeps around to service his fetish.

  16. I’m just now getting to this thread and the one below. WOW! What a bunch of ranting and raving from Helen. Something is entirely wrong here! She was delusional, irrational, unreasonable and extremely rude in her behavior. Why should her cage be rattled so? She already knows the views of many of us, and yet continues to spew out hatred and insults beyond the pale, as though it was the first time around. Helen, you amaze and shock me! You claim to be a Christian and act like a heathen. As far as thinking that CC owns this blog –
    well, you are really off base on that one. You are not a very careful reader apparently, but yet you think you are the world’s best. Go back to your own blog and do your raving over there. I’m sorry, but there is nothing more to be said between you and me.

  17. Forewarned is forearmed. I’m an issues oriented person and I don’t like invasions of privacy-yes, we need to know if a candidate has a criminal background (except for Obama) and is the person what they say they are-a normal vetting process.
    http://lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=567276
    Democrats Unleash Ads
    Focusing on Rivals’ Pasts
    New York Times, by Jeff Zeleny
    Original Article
    Posted By:Desert Fox, 9/25/2010 9:17:39 PM
    WASHINGTON — Democratic candidates across the country are opening a fierce offensive of negative advertisements against Republicans, using lawsuits, tax filings, reports from the Better Business Bureau and even divorce proceedings to try to discredit their opponents and save their Congressional majority. Opposition research and attack advertising are used in almost every election, but these biting ads are coming far earlier than ever before, according to party strategists. The campaign has intensified in the last two weeks as early voting begins in several states and as vulnerable incumbents try to fight off an onslaught of influences by outside groups.

  18. Massive Horseshoe Crab Die Off in Cape Cod: Corexit poisoning?

    August 20th I met my friend down at the beach on the Cape near our family home in Chatham. Harding’s Beach has always been a great clean beach.

    I’ll get right to it. Yes I suspect it has a relation to the Corexit 9500 & that the currents have carried that deadly poison to our shores. Our own Fishing industry & livelihood is not only in jeopardy but more important our lives our health is. This will last our life time and then on.

    This is significant & critical as to the scope of this environmental disaster & how it will or is affecting anywhere the waters flow around the globe.

    Our government has signed off to the industry and military to allow the use of this dispersant Corexit 9500 & it is deadly. Don’t let them tell you other wise & those who dropped it I’m sure they know in their own hearts it was wrong.

    It’s like they dropped the A bomb and I’m serious about this people. We have been poisoned and it is not isolated to the Gulf and I do not believe it was an accident.

  19. SueK,

    TY,TY,TY and Thank you again.

    About a week ago, someone posted your findings here at CW and it was well noted.

    I remember last year all the hard work and reseach on the H1N1 vaccine and alarming findings. It did not go un-noticed. Kudos to you and a big thumbs up.

    Keep us up to date as you have been SueK, it is deeply apreciated, especially with your professional background in this area.

  20. HELLO SueK and thanks for that information on the flu shots. Hope you are doing well. Sure do miss all your great posts and your geolologic expertise. Would enjoy more posts!

  21. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 11:40 am |
    Free Speech,
    algore destroyed what little credibility he had left when he became an obot.
    **********************************************
    algore has to suck up to the usurper in order to get his carbon tax scheme promoted. Also, I think algore must be one of the old white guys Obama keeps around to service his fetish.
    ======================================

    Just like with John Edwards, Globe Magazine got it right about algore’s and bo’s secret lives.

  22. I didn’t want to say this earlier, but Larry Sinclair’s recent posts and discussions appeared to be suicidal. Maybe he was using this metaphorically as the “suicide” of the public persona and mythos which has become Larry Sinclair the repressed media sensation. But a lot of the recent activities by Sinclair have been hinting at more than merely quitting the public aspects of his campaign to get his story out about Obama.
    I hope Larry is all right and that he has not done anything drastic. I know the crusade he has carried on the last two and a half years took a toll.

  23. Cabby AZ,

    Well said my friend, I need say nothing more on that topic.

  24. I’m trying to catch up on my reading here and saw that Zach posted an alarming comment on Friday. Does anyone else see the significance of a Malik Shabazz visiting the private residence of the White House shortly after the Black Panther case was dropped by the DOJ? The WH denies that the visitor is THE Black Panther Malik Shabazz. In light of the Christian Adams and Christopher Coates testimonies this Shabazz association with the WH can be incriminating! Did I read somewhere Panthergate?
    ================================================
    Zach Jones | September 24, 2010 at 4:32 pm |
    This might be a story to follow:
    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/09/24/which-malik-shabazz-visited-white-house-in-july-2009-mr-president/

    Which Malik Shabazz Visited White House in July 2009, Mr. President?
    by Andrew Breitbart
    In May 2009, the Obama/Holder Justice Department dropped charges in a voter intimidation case against Malik Shabazz, a leader of the New Black Panther Party, despite having already won a summary judgment against him, and his New Black Panther Party colleagues King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson who were video-taped outside polling place in Philadelphia intimidating voters as they arrived on election day, 2008. In July 2009, when Congress began looking into the matter, someone named Malik Shabazz visited the private residence at the White House….

  25. Gianni | September 26, 2010 at 12:04 pm |

    The last time I spoke with Larry was in June. He still had some fight left in him then, but he was clearly troubled by the parisi lawsuit. He was living in Florida. I didn’t discuss bo’s corexit poisoning of the Gulf with Larry but no doubt the looming disaster of the bo corexit/oil poisoning of the Gulf and Atlantic Coasts must be very troubling to all Floridians.

    I keep Larry, Gregg Hall, my friends Dr. Tom D. and his family, Dr. Sam and his family, and all Floridians in my prayers.

  26. SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    Hi Sir William, and thank you for the acknowledgement; I do what I can.

    My previous job was eliminated however, the new job puts me right where the ‘flu action’ is, even though that’s not my field of expertise.

    I’ll post what I get, when I get it because there’s no such thing as being ‘too informed” especially when it comes to your health and those who are hellbent on trying to ruin it!

  27. This is one of those “everyone must read” articles. VERY IMPORTANT AND URGENT

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/demoting-islams-religion-status.html

    “Demoting Islam’s Religion Status.” – Understanding the Name Martel Sobieskey –

  28. HonorFirst | September 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm |

    Hi Honor, and thanks!

    I read on rare occasions, but really don’t post anymore; don’t have a lot of time and really have no desire to be involved in the many ‘controversies.’ I will, however, post anything I feel is important; this is important, so I jumped in.

    Will check in as I can. Hope you’re well, too!

  29. My new The Week came yesterday and it had the best political cartoon yet that describes The Tea Party, which DC claims not to understand, they also have a problem with Constitutional legitimacy on too many issues. Go Constitutional Repubic, Go Founding Fathers, Go Tea Party.
    Under John Trumbulls famous painting it says. “Another group of reactionary , racist tea partiers meets to subvert the enlightened, legitimate political establishment. ” Bob Gorrell-cartoonist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States
    The Committee of Five presenting their draft of the Declaration of Independence to the Congress on June 28, 1776. Painting by John Trumbull. Trumbull’s painting can also be found on the back of the U.S. $2 bill.[1]

  30. Hey SueK,how about an update on the Gulf. Hope everything is going well, We do miss you.

  31. Sam Sewell | September 26, 2010 at 12:35 pm |

    Thanks Sam, that is one of the best articles that I have ever read on the fallacy of “moderate” islam.

  32. Always felt Larry Sinclair was going to be “offed” myself. If he is found a “suicide”, I think most will suspect foul play.

  33. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 12:48 pm |
    http://www.publiusforum.com/2010/09/26/texas-seiu-member-registers-23207-fraudulent-voters/
    =========================================

    Thanks Paxson. Patriots in all States must remain viligant for vote fraud crimes by bo & his co-conspirators. bo cohorts are still busy attempting to steal the 2010 Elections just as they did in 2008.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1U4AkF6tY&feature=player_embedded

  34. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 1:10 pm |
    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/now-they-figure-it-out/

    ============================================

    The biggest irony of all is that ted kennedy & caroline kennedy more that any other “American” residents are responsible for ayers’ muslim TERRORIST PAL bo becoming pResident.

  35. We all know O is ineligible. We all know he stole the primary from Hillary and with the help of Mickey Mouse and countless dead voters, he was elected. Voter fraud is rampant and the Justice Department is aiding and abetting. Apparently, that is the ONLY way Obama can win any election. His scheming, unethical election roots run deep.
    It all started with his bid for the IL State Senate. He effectively got his opponents knocked off the ballots (including his friend, Alice Palmer) by challenging the names on their petitions. Obama won the challenge on a technicality and won unopposed and by default.

    In Obama’s run for US Senate, his democratic and front-running challenger , Blair Hull, was mysteriously and publicly shamed and his numbers plummeted. (Ironically) Blair Hull’s divorce records were somehow UNSEALED (say what?) revealing charges of physical abuse by his ex-wife. Then in the general election, the GOP contender, Jack Ryan, was forced to drop out of the race. Why? Well for some mysterious reason, HIS divorce records were UNSEALED (say what?) revealing a sexual scandal. That is when on short notice, the honorable Alan Keyes came in as the Republican contender.

    Is this not the irony of all ironies? How did Obama (via axelrod?) get judges to unseal personal records of his opponents? On what legal basis were these judges persuaded to open and reveal personal records. Surely, our motives to unseal just 1 of Obama’s records have a more noble quest. Where are these judges now? Is the entire Judicial system bought and paid for?

    We have a man who connived and stabbed his way to the top. And we have a dedicated and honorable Lt. Colonel who is risking his entire career. Where is that one judge who will UNSEAL the truth?

  36. *spelling correction*

    Thanks Paxson. Patriots in all States must remain vigilant for vote fraud crimes by bo & his co-conspirators. bo cohorts are still busy attempting to steal the 2010 Elections just as they did in 2008.

    Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”

    Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”

    Abraham Lincoln: “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html

    For information on Crimes committed by the BHO regime:

    https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville

  37. Regarding Larry Sinclair:
    tennbrock | September 26, 2010 at 11:08 am |

    I have not heard from Larry. The tone of some of his recent postings have been troubling. I have not watched the videos because of a bandwidth restriction on my internet provider. If I go over the limit, they slow us down to dial up rate. If anyone has any information, please share. Take care, Zach

  38. http://www.viddler.com/explore/LarrySinclair/videos/17/
    Don’t know if this is still “active” but it is/was very disturbing.

  39. As we Southerners say, “Don’t worry about the mules goin’ blind, just load the wagon.”

    In other words Patriots need to stop worrying about what judges did or did not do and simply INDICT bo and his local co-conspirators as is our right according to the US Constitution. Once Patriots have done their part, the judges will do theirs. Judges can not act if they do not have criminal cases against bo before them.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/03/two-ideas-to-empower-patriots-by.html

  40. Basically, Zach, he says “goodbye” to his family in 37 minutes . He sounded “hazy” to me. At first I thought he might be drunk, but then it souinded more like drugs. He apologizes for all the “trouble” he (especially) put his Mom through. He also says, “Don’t call me. I have turned my phone off”. He ended that particular vid with “I need to rest now” or something similar.

  41. Thank you JB. Unfortunately, I am close to going over my bandwidth limitation so I won’t watch videos.

  42. Thank you JB. He has been through a lot. Troubling. Zach

  43. What is the price tag for an honorable judge? Do they still make them?

  44. CW,

    Per the headline article, I contacted you offline in an exchange of emails pertaining to Tim Adams and AZ Rep. Judy Burges and had asked if you were needed would you be willing to assist in reseach, of which you replied in the affirmative. This was early summer this year.

    In any event, I did manage to have several email correspondanc with AZ Rep. Judy Burges and phone coversations as well. This matter pertained to the AZ Senate Bill 1024, the so called Birther bill. One of our phone conversations alone was nearly a hour long.

    Tim Adams position in Hawaii has indeed been checked and verified. This is the first time I am publically announcing my small part and reasonable intention with the AZ 1024 Bill.

    My last conversation with AZ Rep. Judy Burges was several months ago as well as with her assistant in office. Many are probably unaware, but AZ Rep Judy Burges has planned to re-introduce the so called birther bill, Senate bill 1024 in Jannuary of 2011. The importance of this is that in November 2010, Judy can hold a pre-hearing prior to the re-introduction of the bill in Jan. It is at this time, she call on Tim Adams to testify to his knowledge.

    This Q&A session with Tim Adams present would confirm and bring light to many topic issues with this bill. First, as many may be aware of, although the bill passed the AZ House od Reps., that is as far as it made it. Many Republicans voted against it as well. Tim Adams has specified he would in fact testify for any State to improve State laws for vetting.

    Albeit Tim Adams personal opinion is that regardless Obama was not born in Hawaii he feels he is still Constitutional qualified, is moot, its irrevalent. Having Tim Adams under Oath and in a Q&A session for the State is reverlant for this bill upcoming.

    Cabby, this is the Baton I was hinting towards. It is not without hurdles, but what is.

  45. Listening to Larry speak in the manner he did was heartwrenching. It sounds like his family is NOT supportive of him-except maybe his Mom.
    My hope is that he’s dropping off the radar…my gut says something else.
    I mean, the recent lawsuit is ongoing, right?
    He also mentioned if you want to do something for him, go to Amazon and buy the OTHER book he published. I could not make out the name, however.
    SAD, SAD, SAD.

  46. SirWilliam – Thank you for your service!!! Excellent work. Zach

  47. FreeSpeech,

    Here is the other irony; the JF Kennedy is rolling in his grave due to little brothers (Ted) betrayal and treason to America.

  48. JB – I too hope that Larry is just dropping off the radar. It is sad. Zach

  49. What The H is going on. Where I am sitting and typing it is 2:13 PM SUNDAY and yet look at the postig date of this post. I think we are being CIA’d.

  50. To add.

    It is at this time (November), she “Can” call, if wishes, upon Tim Adams to AZ. Of course, that’s up to her. I believe it to be a reinforcement of the reasoning behind the bill”s intent in the first place.

    If Judy chooses this option, can you imagine the looks on all their faces as Tim Adams gives accounts to his sworn testitmony? What the hell can the deniers say to him?

  51. Sorry Folks – My computer clock was set wrong. Had me scared.

  52. I check in later. Take care, Zach

  53. SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 2:06 pm |
    FreeSpeech,

    Here is the other irony; the JF Kennedy is rolling in his grave due to little brothers (Ted) betrayal and treason to America.
    =========================================
    Same for RFK who is the Kennedy that was killed by the muslim that bo’s TERRORIST PAL ayers dedicated his book to.

  54. Freespeech, Cabby and others,

    Did I post the Scribd link for the Sur-Reply pertaining to the Strunk FOIA in responce from the DOJ”s responce to my Affidavit?

    I am so all over the place I keep passing myself. If not, then I will post it for review. Trust me, its well worth the read.

  55. I hope CW can get some information on Larry Sinclair. That message about “exiting” sounds bad.
    The HeadPopper of the day for me is what in the hell are all these books being put out (some by former CIA agents) that tell of supposedly top secret plans and strategies? Read this article I found on Drudge.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/25/books.destroyed/index.html

    I am beginning to think that the CIA owns secretly St. Martin’s Press. They are going to buy back 10,000 of this book at $26.00 per book WITH OUR MONEY.

    PS – Some of these books are already out and with the internet WTH good was going to be accomplished by this?

    PPS – Has anyone besides me noticed that ALL THE TALKING HEADS on all sides of political persuasion are wearing dark gray suits? There has got to be a message in there somewhere!

  56. Should someone call the police in Larry’s hometown and ask them to go check on him? I know it would be something he would not approve of but, on the other hand, I know a number of people who tried suicide and were later glad that someone stopped them.

  57. Correction,

    The petition for a sur-reply to the DOJ reply.

  58. FreeSpeech,

    If daddy Joseph Kennedy were ever alive to see the results of Ted”s treason to America, he would still have put him over his wheel chair and “Spanked” him.

    One thing JFK said to the Nation, that I hold true and dear to myself, and believe him to be absolute in correctness, was his “ASK NOT WHAT YOU’RE COUNTRY CAN DO FOR “YOU”, BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY…..

    Hand outs, pandering, race bating social programs and do nothing is nowhere in the constitution and he recognized its not the governments job to support an individual at the cost of taking away the fruits of labor from another citizen. For that, he gets points in my book. Of coruse, I disagree only many other issues with him, but that was not my current point in mind.

  59. SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 3:09 pm |

    Joe Kennedy hated Communists like bo and his pedophile pervert mentor Frank Marshall Davis.

  60. Voter fraud is a huge issue facing us. For decades, voter fraud has been a staple of democratic politics. Lyndon Johnson was the master of it in Texas, as was the Dailey machine in Chicago. Al Franken is a United States Senator today because of voter fraud. The left has done its best to make voter fraud possible, from the Clinton era Motor Voter law, to opposing requirements that a photo ID be presented when someone wants to vote, to advocacy groups such as ACORN that specialized in fraudulent voter registrations.

    Vote fraud attacks the heart of our political system and threatens our rights as citizens.
    When True the Vote began monitoring elections last fall in Houston, we were shocked at the fraud we discovered. Precinct judges often failed to check voters IDs, and some even filled out ballots to “help” people vote. These violations are just the tip of a very large and ugly iceberg.
    If you are one of the millions of Americans outraged by corruption at the highest levels of our nation’s government, then you can help us stop fraud where it begins – at the polling place, in the precinct where you live, in the streets of your city.
    If you care enough to help, contact us today to become part of our action plan. A commitment of just a few hours is all it takes to help restore truth and integrity to our elections.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTaQW4hLGWI&feature=player_embedded

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  62. FS

    “As Bill G., Paxon, Dr. Sewell and others have noted citizen carlyle/bo is clearly a sunstein/bo obot/psyop.”

    I haven’t said that. I just think he is a grouchy pessimist.

  63. Just when you think it couldn’t get any weirder-men into deities, truth is the victim.” the only one I can think of re: men-deities would be Obama/Messiah so in a way they defeat their own argument and what oath does the CIA take re: the Constitution.
    http://www.repubx.com/
    Rothschild and CIA Publications Attack “Constitution-worshippers”
    by DFX September 26, 2010 07:22
    Rothschild and CIA Publications Attack “Constitution-worshippers”
    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars.com
    September 25, 2010
    The editors of the Economist have declared constitutionalists mentally ill. “Indeed, there is something infantile in the belief of the constitution-worshipers that the complex political arguments of today can be settled by simple fidelity to a document written in the 18th century,” the editors wrote on September 23. “When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim.”
    Following the Constitution is infantile behavior, according to two publications produced by the Rothschilds, the CFR, and the CIA.
    The Economist is owned by members of the Rothschild banking family of England. It is run by the Economist Group, a known CIA front.
    According to the Economist, the framers were aristocrats who “did not believe that poor men, or any women, let alone slaves, should have the vote.” The Constitution does not address the “hard questions thrown up by modern politics,” namely should gays be allowed to marry?
    (more)

  64. Sam Sewell | September 26, 2010 at 3:20 pm |

    Thanks Sam.

    I urge all Patriots to volunteer.

    http://www.truethevote.org/

  65. >>>>>Michelle | September 26, 2010 at 3:30 pm | Just when you think it couldn’t get any weirder-men into deities, truth is the victim.” the only one I can think of re: men-deities would be Obama/Messiah so in a way they defeat their own argument and what oath does the CIA take re: the Constitution.
    http://www.repubx.com/
    Rothschild and CIA Publications Attack “Constitution-worshippers”
    by DFX September 26, 2010 07:22
    Rothschild and CIA Publications Attack “Constitution-worshippers”
    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars.com
    September 25, 2010
    The editors of the Economist have declared constitutionalists mentally ill. “Indeed, there is something infantile in the belief of the constitution-worshipers that the complex political arguments of today can be settled by simple fidelity to a document written in the 18th century,” the editors wrote on September 23. “When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim.”
    Following the Constitution is infantile behavior, according to two publications produced by the Rothschilds, the CFR, and the CIA.
    The Economist is owned by members of the Rothschild banking family of England. It is run by the Economist Group, a known CIA front.
    According to the Economist, the framers were aristocrats who “did not believe that poor men, or any women, let alone slaves, should have the vote.” The Constitution does not address the “hard questions thrown up by modern politics,” namely should gays be allowed to marry?<<<<

    This is really the core of the whole deal. The deal of Obama's lack of Constitutional eligibility, the deal about the Czars, the deal about Obamadeathcare, the deal about homosexuals, the deal about the border in Arizona. The PTB, or elitists have declared WAR on the Constitution. They have declared WAR on the Constitution because it absolutely GETS IN THE WAY OF THEIR TYRANNY. The Constitution was put in place to PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT, not the other way around. They know that, they can sense it, they can't change it via the legitimate process of amendments, because they don't have the backing of 'We the People'.

    Anybody other Constitutionalist, whom are "mentally ill" like myself, ANGRY yet?

    Pete

  66. please change anybody to any other

  67. Sam Sewell | September 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm |
    FS

    “As Bill G., Paxon, Dr. Sewell and others have noted citizen carlyle/bo is clearly a sunstein/bo obot/psyop.”

    I haven’t said that. I just think he is a grouchy pessimist.
    Sewell | September 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm |
    FS

    “As Bill G., Paxon, Dr. Sewell and others have noted citizen carlyle/bo is clearly a sunstein/bo obot/psyop.”

    I haven’t said that. I just think he is a grouchy pessimist.
    ===========================================

    That’s what I thought too until he starting attacking me personally about the Grand Jury Process and threatened to have me arrested.

    I have been observing his posts for months. It is classic cognitive dissonance, but enough about him lately he has been spending a good deal of the time in moderation and the sunstein tactics of cognitive dissonance don’t work very well without him. Whatever, there is much more intelligent discussion when citizen carlyle is not around.

  68. Pete @ 3:42 pm | We are not mentally ill. The Constitution is the law or our land, why would the CIA back people who seem to be committing treason, violating their oaths, and what taxpayers pay the CIA their salaries? This needs some serious investigation. Off to church.

  69. Thanks SirWilliam.

  70. Ruh Roh – looks like the Tea Parties have been punked by the Repub’s and that is the Neocon Republican establishment. Here is a list of the Tea Parties backers – apologies for it being so long – oh, btw, I’m sure this is how the sunstein/bo obot/psyops are getting paid and well, I’m sure.

    THE CLASSIFIED LIST OF THOSE BEHIND THE “PATRIOTIC RESISTANCE” MOVEMENT
    (THE FOLKS WARNING YOU ABOUT CORPORATE CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT)

    AETNA (Big Insurance)
    CHRISTIAN ZIONIST MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
    AFIPAC (American Friends of ISRAEL)
    Alexis de Toqueville Institution (Right wing think tank working for Microsoft and Big Tobacco)
    Allied Pilots Association
    American Association of Health Plans (Largest lobby group for Big Insurance)
    American Association of Political Consultants (Primary trade group for those who run “backroom politics” in America)
    American Conservative Union (The “neo-con” club with all top Republican politicians as members, Reagan, Bush, Cheney, Delay, the list goes on forever)
    Americans for Hope, Growth and Opportunity (Steve Forbes financed ultra right wing group)
    American Policy Center (Ultra-Conservative group opposed to the United Nations and Global Warming science)
    American Public Policy Institute (Ultra-Right Wing anti Gay Rights group)
    The American Spectator (Right wing publication with history of accepting money from foreign governments. Best known for the discredit Shirley Sherrod attack piece)
    Australian Barley Board (Grain conglomerate group tied to monopoly policies)
    Black America’s Political Action Committee (Alan Keyes right wing group with almost no African American support)
    Blackwell Corporation (Group responsible for organizing personal attacks on progressive politicians run by Washington PR group with ties to extremist militia organizations)
    Brude W. Eberle and Associates (Tom DeLay and John Ashcroft)
    Business Mail Express (
    Campaign Solutions (Voter suppression, Swift Boat campaign and shady right wing causes, the “hit squad” for the Republican National Committee)
    Canadian MG Lewis MacKenzie
    Capitol Watch
    The Carmen Group (Major lobbying group working with security, energy and healthcare sectors, top level “fixers” in Washington)
    Carrying Capacity Network
    Center for Individual Freedom (Secretive neo-con rights group with ties to the Tobacco Lobby)
    CIGNA (Big Insurance)
    Citizens for State Power (no records found)
    Citizens United (Lobby group that pushed unlimited corporate control of American elections through the Supreme Court)
    Club for Growth (Ultra-right wing group convicted of failing to register as a Political Action Committee)
    Collegiate Network (Right wing group that finances student newspaper “take-overs’ by neo-cons)
    Conservative Political Action Conference (Most powerful right wing group in the US, Glen Beck terrirtory)
    Ann Coulter (Controversial right wing extremist writer with a penchant for inventing “facts”)
    Crown Publishing (Random House subsidiary specializing in right wing publications)
    David, Manafort and Freedman, Inc. (“Go-between” between “Big Lottery” reputed tied to organized crime and Senator John McCain)
    The Honorable Pete DuPont (DuPont family member, one time Congressman and right wing pundit)
    Employee Benefits Associates (Big Business advocacy and consulting for limitation of workplace freedoms and rights)
    Energy Freedom Alliance (no records available)
    Federalist Society (Lobby group promoting “big business” oriented judicial appointees)
    Flickers Films (no records available)
    Free Enterprise Fund (anti-Social Security group)
    Foley and Lardner (Law firm representing Exxon Oil)
    Forbes for President 2000 (Forbes PAC)
    The Galen Institute (Big Insurance lobbists)
    Grassfire.org (controversial ultra-right wing group dedicated to George W. Bush)
    The Hawthorn Group (“clean coal” lobbyists)
    Heritage Foundation (Ultra-right wing group behind neo-conservative internationalist agenda)
    Institute for Legal Reform (Part of US Chamber of Commerce, favors special privileges for Big Business in law)
    Institute for Policy Innovation (anti-Social Security group headed by Dick Armey)
    Institute for Socio-Economic Studies (no records available)
    The Keene Report (no information available)
    Law Enforcement Alliance of America (conservative group active in gun rights)
    The Limited (Israeli owned retail conglomerate)
    The Manhattan Institute (neo-con, Big Tobacco, Big Oil, “War or Terror” lobby group)
    McDonald Douglas (Big Defense/Big War)
    McGuire/Woods Consulting, LLC (Law firm for Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Lottery)
    National Audit Defense Network (tax avoidance group in trouble for, of all things, tax problems and endless consumer complaints)
    National Center for Policy Analysis (Big Healthcare lobbyists)
    National Farmers Federation of Australia (Australia Big Agriculture lobby)
    National Rifle Association (conservative group funded through scare tactics about imaginary gun seizure legislation)
    National Taxpayers Union (Right wing group funded by Richard Mellon Scaife)
    News World Communications (Reverend Moon’s propaganda arm)
    Nuclear Energy Institute (Nuclear power lobby group)
    The O’Leary/Kamber Report (neo-con funded voice of Tea Party movement)
    Playcare Incorporated (funders of neo-con and Tea Party movements allied to Bush/Cheney)
    PM Consulting Corporation (Advocacy group for lower taxes on wealthy and corporations)
    Prima Publishing (conservative publication division of Random House)
    Progress & Freedom Foundation (Big Telecom lobbyist group)
    Prudential (Big Insurance)
    Public Safety Systems (War on Terror “airport security” company)
    Republican Majority Coalition (The Republican Party)
    Republican National Committee (The Republican Party leadership)
    Natan Sharansky (Top Israeli extremist, Likudists, ultra-nationalist and Zionist Leader)
    Small Business Survival Committee (Big Tobacco packaged to look like something else)
    Southeastern Legal Foundation (Legal arm of numerous right wing causes, a “flat earth” defender)
    Starboard Response (no information available)
    Stevens & Schriefer (Republican Party campaign advertising)
    United Seniors Association (Big Pharma lobby group)
    University of Phoenix
    USA Weekend (publishing brand for conservative Gannet newspaper chain)
    US Chamber of Commerce (Big Business/open immigration lobby group)
    US English (right wing anti-Hispanic lobby group)
    Washington Times Foundation (ultra-right wing scandal sheet of the Unification Church “Moonies”)
    Westinghouse Corporation (Big Defense)
    The Winston Group (right wing strategy and polling group)
    WND Books (World Net Daily, right wing extremist publications)

    Read the full story here – http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/25/gordon-duff-americas-real-anti-government-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-114832

  71. Haven’t previously seen passport info for Lolo Soetoro, Orly Taitz has them in PDF at her site.

    DR. ORLY TAITZ, ESQ, PRO SE PLAINTIFF v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, DEFENDANT: MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION UNDER RULE 60 B

    Posted on | August 26, 2010 | 18 Comments
    Taitz-v-Obama-08-22-10-Templ-final-60-B.pdf
    Taitz-v-Obama-08-22-10-Exhibits-final-60-B.pdf
    Category: Uncategorized
    Taitzv Obama final reply to oposition to 60 B motion

    Posted on | September 24, 2010 | 2 Comments
    Taitzv-Obama-final-reply-to-oposition-to-60-B-motion.pdf
    Affidavit-final-John-Sampson-re-limited-ss-foia.pdf
    Aff-John-Sampson-pas-recs-Dun-So.pdf
    Ann-Dunham-passport-file.pdf
    Lolo-Soetoro-immigration-file-pp-1-9.pdf
    Lolo-Soetoro-immigration-file-pp-10-27.pdf
    Lolo-Soetoro-immigration-file-pp-28-54.pdf
    Lolo-Soetoro-immigration-file-pp-55-63.pdf
    Lolo-Soetoro-immigration-file-pp-64-81.pdf
    Lolo-

  72. Pete @ 3:42 pm

    I am more optimistic now than I have been in two years that We Patriots will prevail.

  73. Helen | September 26, 2010 at 4:03 pm |
    Ruh Roh – looks like the Tea Parties have been punked by the Repub’s and that is the Neocon Republican establishment.
    =========================================

    Thanks for the list of the good Patriotic Organizations backing the Tea Party Movement.

  74. Helen’
    If that list is accurate it makes a good “consumer guide” about who to do business with in America.

  75. What is Helen even doing here?

  76. FS – it’s not so much the list its the false narrative that this is a grassroots movement.

    I don’t know if you were there at the beginning of the TP’s but it truly was a grassroots movement. When I attended 912 last year, I was inspired by all of the good and decent people who came out in support of protecting our constitutional form of government.

    When I returned to Richmond, I attended a couple of meetings but kept getting this wierd vibe. I later learned the original organizer’s were punted to the curb to bring in operatives to manage and control the supporters. Remember too, the platform of Palin/Beck’s TP does not include anything about Article II and impeachment. Yet, the grassroot TP movement is all about that.

    Basically, since the Nashville conference it can now be confirmed that the very real patriotic movement aka TP has been usurped by the Repub establishment, which was never such a goal when many labored during their free time to put on the massive rally’s in their hometowns. We were about neither Party b/c both let American’s down again and again.

    So what was a grassroot movement has now been corporatized by the Republican Party.

  77. Sam – when a movement has that kind of backing they have a bigger agenda than you or I are aware of…money corrupts absolutely.

    Btw, enjoyed reading your post today.

    Paxson – go take a happy pill. 🙂

  78. Helen | September 26, 2010 at 4:30 pm |

    Of course, the Repubs tried to co-opt the Tea Party movement, but as evidenced by Tokyo Rove’s silly outburst about Christine, the Tea Party is transforming the Repub Party not the other way around. The Repub Party will be better and stronger because of the Tea Party movement. The big LOSERS are the demRats which will soon be no more powerful and influential than the national socialist (nazi) party of America.

  79. Helen, happy pill?

  80. the tea party is a grass roots movement. nice try helen

  81. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:26 pm |
    What is Helen even doing here?
    ========================================

    Paxson, Helen is no problem as long as obot-carlyle is kept in moderation. At least, some of Helen’s posts are reasonably researched and intelligent, although disagreeable.

  82. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 4:47 pm |
    That’s a laugh. I’d much rather read C C’s posts than Helen’s anytime.

  83. I was just saying that Helen’s perspective is so anti everyone else’s here. At least with CC, you got the feeling that he was on the same side of the ledger. Not that I am all for the left-right dichotomy of control in our country. I get the feeling that Helen is a socialist, pro-big government, pro-sharia (or at least not anti sharia) etc. I am not making a judgement call on her as a person, I’m just wondering what she is doing here other than to just cause problems?

    Going through that list, I had no problems with most of the groups. Also, they are joining us and not the other way around. But she, Helen, is a rabble rouser. Because she is on the other side, that’s why.

  84. tennbrock | September 26, 2010 at 4:53 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 4:47 pm |
    That’s a laugh. I’d much rather read C C’s posts than Helen’s anytime.

    =========================================

    So run along to whatever blog obot-carlyle has been banished to and read and post to his posts, tennbrock, I really don’t give a damn about you opinion of obot-carlyle or Helen for that matter.

  85. indy – how can a corporate backed movement be considered a grassroots movement? think about ACORN on the other side of the aisle – the Dem’s put up the pretense that this outfit was serving the underprivileged and helping the poor while operating a RICO operation behind the scenes.

    why can’t we the people have a third party that is a truly grassroots movement wholly owned by the people and not a D or R party aparatchik? The two headed snake hasn’t worked for us b/c it’s funded by the same power hungry rascals.

  86. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm |

    Paxson, obot-carlyle and Helen are just running a good-cop/bad-cop routine. Read this:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  87. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm |
    I agree with you 100%.

    And FS, I don’t give a flying fig what you think.

  88. Helen, I think the corporations joined the already in progress Tea Party rather than the other way around. Everybody with any integrity wants to be associated with patriotic Americans loving their country, and wanting to protect the Constitution, so these organizations have joined in. What is wrong with that?

  89. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm |

    Helen alone is preferrable to Helen & obot-carlyle doing their sunstein cognitive dissonance routine together. Notice how when obot-carlyle is posting in tandem with Helen or Starla the entire thread is dominated with nonsense posts. With Helen alone we can just debunk her false premise and the discussion of our counter-arguments are not disrupted by obot-carlyle’s BS. Bill G. had obot-carlyle pegged he his as “disingenuous” as bo. It’s the tacqyi (muslim lie) con that obot-carlyle runs here. he is just here to clutter the blog with BS.

  90. Paxson said –

    I was just saying that Helen’s perspective is so anti everyone else’s here. At least with CC, you got the feeling that he was on the same side of the ledger. Not that I am all for the left-right dichotomy of control in our country. I get the feeling that Helen is a socialist, pro-big government, pro-sharia (or at least not anti sharia) etc. I am not making a judgement call on her as a person, I’m just wondering what she is doing here other than to just cause problems?

    Going through that list, I had no problems with most of the groups. Also, they are joining us and not the other way around. But she, Helen, is a rabble rouser. Because she is on the other side, that’s why.
    _________________________
    Paxson, CC asked if I was married to or had friends in the Islam faith. First, my husband is Irish Catholic from Mass. He’s a mechanical engineer and my best friend. I do not have associations of any kind with practicing muslims. I do not wish to ever have to wear a burka, be stoned for some petty offense or whatever. Why one would leap to such conclusions based on what I reply to is simply an Alinsky tactic to distract folks from what I am trying to articulate. Do I always do a good job at it? No. But I try.

    I’ve said this before, that is, I’m not anti anything. I am a 50 year old Irish Catholic woman who has peaked under the tent of the Parties and I do not like what I see. I left the D Party on May 31, 2008 b/c of the hypocrisy breeding within the power structure.

    What these leaders intentionally did to bring my beloved America to the horrible place we stand today bothers me everyday, every night and every moment I breath. I find their treasonous behavior criminal and sinful.

    However, I’ve also watched the other side of the aisle dismiss their constituents again and again as it relates to the travesty we are all forced to experience to this day.

    I am a passionate Irish woman who has bothered herself to learn the game and I do not like where it is heading, but I also admit I don’t have the answers. I don’t. The best thing I can do is share what I know and have learned and provide material to back it up. And yes, I defend the material.

    The other night, CC wrote about nukes in suitcases and that some major city here in America may be a target. Well, I happen to know a whole lot more than I ever thought I would about this loose nuke topic. When I questioned him for making such a claim he never responded. Why? If one is going to state such info, one must be prepared to answer for it.

    I’m a fervent educator who loves her country with her entire being. And I will defend her with all my might. I’m just a blogger. No one pays me to infiltrate, post or disrupt. CWs is and will remain my home blog, that is if he will have me…
    ______________________________

    FS – thank you.

  91. tennbrock | September 26, 2010 at 5:17 pm |

    And FS, I don’t give a flying fig what you think.

    ===============================

    Good, so now U can go off with obot-carlyle to whatever internet cave he has crawled into now and post with him, cause I AM HERE TO STAY!

  92. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    Helen, I think the corporations joined the already in progress Tea Party rather than the other way around. Everybody with any integrity wants to be associated with patriotic Americans loving their country, and wanting to protect the Constitution, so these organizations have joined in. What is wrong with that?
    =========================================

    Exactly.

  93. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 5:19 pm |
    Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:57 pm |
    Maybe so, FS. But Helen just gets on my nerves. She is a current dupe of Islam as that Daily Caller article corrolated to communism. At least with CC, his posts were relatively benign in nature. Although I disagree with him on many things (mostly relating to approach), I think that he is at least on our side. He refuses to believe that our government is capable of many of the things that they have been accused of. It’s tough to think that we are being governed by evil men, so at times I can relate to him.

    Helen, on the other hand, seems like she is just not one of us at all. Up to, and including, being un-American in her perspectives and ideals. In other words, she’s a Democrat 🙂 posing as some sort of third way advocate to divide us.

  94. FS, I am here to stay too. I like the info. that others post, except your ramblings and Helen’s nutty posts.

  95. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 5:30 pm |
    What if obot-carlyle posted false defamatory info about you; said that you were “deranged,” threatened to file false charges against you and have you arrested, Paxson? Would you think he was on your side then?

  96. Helen, whomever may be trying to take a ride on the tea party express at this point is late to the game. This is a grassroots movement that started and grew with the help of the internet. To claim otherwise is imho simply carrying pelosi’s water. Now you claim that tea party is no different than ACORN. That’s what Democrats do. They blame their opponent for what they themselves do. Isn’t that in Alinsky’s playbook? I’m beginning to agree with FS that you’re just an obot in disguise. You claim to be Christian yet bash Israel/Jews/Zionists for many of our current problems. Helen, do you enjoy looking like a complete phoney?

  97. indymac | September 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm |
    Helen, whomever may be trying to take a ride on the tea party express at this point is late to the game. This is a grassroots movement that started and grew with the help of the internet. To claim otherwise is imho simply carrying pelosi’s water. Now you claim that tea party is no different than ACORN. That’s what Democrats do. They blame their opponent for what they themselves do. Isn’t that in Alinsky’s playbook? I’m beginning to agree with FS that you’re just an obot in disguise. You claim to be Christian yet bash Israel/Jews/Zionists for many of our current problems. Helen, do you enjoy looking like a complete phoney?
    ======================================

    I agree 100%, indymac.

  98. Bob asked – “…Everybody with any integrity wants to be associated with patriotic Americans loving their country, and wanting to protect the Constitution, so these organizations have joined in. What is wrong with that?”
    ______________________
    Bob, how do we know corporate came before or after? I don’t. I can surmise but that’s it. I have no idea which came first.

    Months ago I attended a local TP meeting. The good people sitting around the table were all Independent conservatives and I an Independent conservative. I asked the leader of our area what the long term goal was and was told that night to take back the Republican Party. I left thinking, are all of the Indy’s on the same page or even aware of this goal? I quickly learned they weren’t b/c I reached out to several supporters and talked to them.

    One very passionate grandma type told me that every time they asked the leadership for training on the issues so these volunteers could articulate the TP’s message effectively, were denied. So, in my area, the internal mechanisms appear to be dumbing down the volunteers intentionally. Why? I can only guess – keeping this new base ignorant of the issues, both sides, is there way of controlling them and their beliefs.

    I don’t know about you but knowledge is power and therefore, why not educate your base so as to empower them to advocate for you and your position on whatever the policy du jour is.

    I’m suspicious. Not against. Suspicious. Therefore, I will monitor all of this very closely and educate myself to be aware of the smoke and mirrors.

  99. Wow…imagine that…another Democrat passing “green” legislation for their own personal profit/ These so called “watermelons” are only out for themselves. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/15/perlmutter-provision-would-aid-familys-green-bank/?page=1

  100. The name of the book Larry was talking about is Go Tell Aunt Rhody: Southern Murder X’s BY Thornton Parsons

  101. indymac | September 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm |

    While obot-carlyle is thoroughly DISHONEST like bo. I believe that Helen is, at least, honest about being a demRat, a bo demRat that is.

  102. meant “…Independent “R” conservatives and I an Independent “D” conservative.

  103. Go tell Aunt Rhody: Southern Murder X 2 by Thornton Parsons. I have read the book excellent read.

  104. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 5:30 pm |
    What if obot-carlyle posted false defamatory info about you; said that you were “deranged,” threatened to file false charges against you and have you arrested, Paxson? Would you think he was on your side then?
    ___________________________________________________

    I didn’t see him do that, and if he did do that I would look at him the same way that I looked at the RAP gang that came in here a while back. I’m not sticking up for CC. I had my own confrontations with him. I was just saying that I could sift through his messages and not come away angry. If he did say that to you, then his motivations are suspect.

  105. Paxson, FS continually twists CC’s words and edits sentences to use against CC, so I wouldn’t believe anything FS says, unless you have seen the original source.

  106. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 5:49 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 5:34 pm |
    Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 5:30 pm |
    What if obot-carlyle posted false defamatory info about you; said that you were “deranged,” threatened to file false charges against you and have you arrested, Paxson? Would you think he was on your side then?
    ___________________________________________________

    I didn’t see him do that, and if he did do that I would look at him the same way that I looked at the RAP gang that came in here a while back. I’m not sticking up for CC. I had my own confrontations with him. I was just saying that I could sift through his messages and not come away angry. If he did say that to you, then his motivations are suspect.
    =============================================

    Yes, obot-carlyle posted a defamatory site about me, he called me “deranged,” and he threatened to file false charges against me and have me arrested.

  107. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm |
    indymac | September 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm |
    Helen, whomever may be trying to take a ride on the tea party express at this point is late to the game. This is a grassroots movement that started and grew with the help of the internet. To claim otherwise is imho simply carrying pelosi’s water. Now you claim that tea party is no different than ACORN. That’s what Democrats do. They blame their opponent for what they themselves do. Isn’t that in Alinsky’s playbook? I’m beginning to agree with FS that you’re just an obot in disguise. You claim to be Christian yet bash Israel/Jews/Zionists for many of our current problems. Helen, do you enjoy looking like a complete phoney?
    ________________________

    indy – please go back and read my post – it was a comparison re. ACORN and their smoke and mirrors and now TP and their smoke and mirrors. The two org’s goals are very different but continue to move the “window” further to right or left of the spectrum. Forgive me, but there is a name for this window, which I can’t recall…Winslow, ugh!!!

    now, indy, I’ve not attacked you or demeaned your comment in anyway, why would you choose to elevate your blood pressure and attack me.

    I never said ACORN was like the TP. Learn to read, Indy, honestly, it will help you in life. And don’t go putting words in my mouth!

    And I take great offense, personally, to your challenging my christian faith, sir. Back off. My faith has nothing to do with a political structure i.e. the Israel Likud Party. Nothing. I will not entertain such a discussion with you on this terribly difficult subject b/c you’ve already shown your hand.

    I am not anti anything. Hate and War would be my only two exceptions. Not going there with you, indy.

  108. FS – that is sick. Happy to learn you know I’m not in that category…LOL.

    Sorry though that you’ve been targeted for his psyop campaign. Let me know how The T-Room can help. Happy to cross post.

  109. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 5:49 pm |

    Evidently, tennbrock is trying to take obot-carlyle’s place now that obot-carlyle is in moderation. As I am sure you know, I have always reposted obot-carlyle offensive posts word for word, but I have stopped quoting him now since he is in moderation.

    It is getting easier to spot the obots. Notice how they work in teams making personal attacks and backing each other up.

    This link describes the sunstein/obot techniques exactly.

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/exposing-obamas-psyops-agents-and.html

  110. Helen | September 26, 2010 at 5:42 pm |
    One very passionate grandma type told me that every time they asked the leadership for training on the issues so these volunteers could articulate the TP’s message effectively, were denied. So, in my area, the internal mechanisms appear to be dumbing down the volunteers intentionally. Why? I can only guess – keeping this new base ignorant of the issues, both sides, is there way of controlling them and their beliefs.
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    Helen, your intentionally dissing the Tea Party, claiming that they are guilty of doing to their members the same thing the obots do to their followers.
    What a bunch of crap. All Tea Party people are individuals bound and determined to remove your superiors and people like you from the politics of this country. That is what you are afraid of.

  111. Okay Helen. I guess there are some who call themselves Christians who don’t support Israel, but according to most Christians i know personally they would be considered off the reservation (and not to be blessed, if you know what I mean). So you keep on about Zionists/Likud and claim it’s all politics or whatever but I’m not buying. You certainly don’t strike me as a “conservative” Democrat (an oxymoron these days), though I do believe you that you’re a Dem.

  112. ahhh, Bob, here I thought you were sincere and wanted to have a candid discussion. Yet, you decide to go on the attack when I am providing you and all others intel that informs my decision. I’m engaged, Bob, and I know firsthand what these workers are experiencing in my area. I do not claim anywhere that this is happening in all TP structures, just my area.

    When I have a woman in her 60’s cornering me outside of a TP meeting telling me such things, what am I to assume? Of course I asked questions and grilled her. Like you, I too wanted this new movement to meaningful for the middle, but I’m now learning that there is an agenda and it’s been corporatized. If the masters at the control switch chose to trust their base then they’d be wanting to empower all with information through meaningful training. However, this is not what my local TP is doing.

    I draw no conclusions; however, I remain suspicious and my antennae is up.

  113. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm |

    Helen’s postings of those good conservative organizations that support the Tea Party movement just give me more confidence in the Tea Party movement. Her ploy backfired. She appears to have this mistaken notion that people here disrespect President Bush. He made mistakes like every other President but I never once thought that my Constitutional Freedoms were threatened by President Bush. I have known that bo is a threat to all Americans since Phil Berg filed his lawsuit against bo in August of 2008.

  114. As for Timothy Adams, the lead story for this blog, has anyone considered that Obama, himself, may be promoting the “birther” issue? Is Adams doing Obama’s bidding?

    I personally believe this may very well be the case. I have not ruled out that possibility. Think of what a joke it would be on some Conservatives if he were truly born in Hawaii to two natural born citizens–Obama Sr. not his real father–and yet he knows his personal records are classified. And he knows why they are classified.

    And what a joke it would be on the CIA, who would be the actual entity footing the bill for all the legal fees to keep lawsuits away and the actual information hush hush.

    Meantime, he has his own agenda. What is that? Could it be DREAMS FROM MY FATHER?

    In his book Obama lauds Malcolm X’s constant “recreation of himself.” He also confesses he wanted to follow “Malcolm’s call.”

    Whether or not one accepts the idea that Malcolm could be his biological father, he certainly seems to be his spiritual father, the difference being, whereas Malcolm went from Elijah Mohammed’s Nation of Islam to orthodox Sunni Islam, Obama seems to prefer Shia Islam. Whichever branch, in the end, turns out to be the winner, it is still Islamic dream that must prevail.

    During the Presidential campaign, Obama met privately with Hassan Al-Qazwini, a Shiite cleric and leader of America’s largets mosque in Dearborn, MI. Qazwini gave Obama a personal copy of his book, AMERICAN CRESCENT. No press was allowed in.

    At this same mosque, Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Black Muslims, has been an honored guest. Likewise has Farrakhan been an honored guest at Obama’s Trinity Church pastored by Jeremiah Wright. And Jeremiah Wright is also a former Black Muslim.

    Wright said that 911 was “America’s chickens coming home to roost.” Those are the exact words that Malcolm X said concerning the Kennedy assassination. The Nation of Islam ordered Malcolm to be silent because of those words, but a generation later, Jeremiah Wright is able to say them openly to the applause of his congregation, in regard to the nearly 3000 Americans who lost their lives.

    A converted Christian from Islam, an Egyptian imigrant to the US, was curious about Obama’s church and called to see he could join without formally converting. He said, “I am Muslim, but would like to join your church.” He was told he could. His story was posted online during the campaign.

    That was curious to me because of the Shiite doctrine of “taqiyya,” or “dissimulation,” whereby one may pretend to another faith or identity for the ultimate glory of Islam. Sunnis do not accept this. One must be openly Muslim. Apparently, however, Obama’s former church would allow a Muslim to join without converting? (One wonders if its pastor, Jeremiah Wright, ever really converted?)

    When Obama was elected, Iranians were dancing in the streets, calling Obama “brother!” Sunni clerics, on the other hand, were calling him a “house nigger,” and making death threats if Obama did not openly proclaim himself a Muslim. You can easily find these reports elsewhere on the net.

    Obama’s chief advisor, Valerie Jarrett, was born and spent her formative years in Iran. At one Iranian website she is featured as “Iranian of the Day.”

    There is a strong alliance between Kenya and Iran. Shia Islam, a minority most places, to include Kenya, also has deep roots in Mombassa, Kenya. Obama, as a senator, went to Kenya to campaign for Obama Sr.’s cousin, Odinga, who eventually came to be Kenya’s leader. (Odinga pretends to be Christian, too, but works for the establishment of Sharia Law in Kenya.)Ahmadinejad goes to Kenya and signs agreements to help develop the country, to include building a nuclear power plant there. Odinga goes to Iran and signs all kinds of agreements as well.

    Mr. Obama decided to send 30,000 plus American soldiers to Afghanistan to fight Sunni Muslim jihadists. The Iran-Iraq war was over the Sunni-Shiite division. The minority of Sunnis in Iraq had hegemony under Sadam and the Shiites in both Iran and Iraq wanted to overcome this. They still do. Who would the defeat of Sunni jihadists in the region benefit?

    In both years of office, Obama has made a special Iranian New Year’s broadcast to the Iranians in their own tongue, extolling Iran for its cultural contributions. He would not be critical of the crackdown on Iranians protesting the rigged elections. He is doing essentially nothing to oppose Iran’s nuclear development.

    Meantime, here in the States, there is the Tea Party and the “birthers.”

    A DARK POSSIBILITY: If what appears to me as a dark possibility could be true, then what may be happening could be a lot worse than what most people wish to see.

    Worse case scenario: Obama is much more intelligent than many wish to see or acknowledge. He is a highly motivated Shiite Muslim who worked for the CIA. The CIA is hamstrung by its own policies of classifying things in the interest of “national security.” Obama is able to keep his past out of sight because of this.

    Obama wants people to think that when he was young, he was just a loose punk with no real smarts, got through school on his grandma’s money, used dope but gave it up for cigarettes, became a community organizer, married a nice Christian girl, and because of his good looks and charisma, holding out a promise of “change,” is now Mr. President.

    He knows some people are prejudiced in our country–more than we would like to admit–thus they will be all too ready to buy this picture of him. Work for the CIA? Preposterous! He just a . . . whatever.

    Meantime, he spurs on the “birthers” and the Tea Party. That keeps everybody busy and distracted.

    The CIA has to cover his tracks to cover its own and to conjole and threaten people in the Media and government so as not to expose all the classified stuff. It has to pay his legal fees to keep things quiet. Let the Republicans win. It doesn’t matter. He can use that to make it look like he can’t succeed because of THEM.

    Meantime, Iran develops Nukes, wipes Israel off the face of the earth and also gets some placed in some of our most populated cities. Glory be to Islam! (of the Shia variety). It has proved taqiyya! Obama would go down in history as its great Messiah. He brought down the two great Satans: Israel and America!

  115. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    It is getting easier to spot the obots. Notice how they work in teams making personal attacks and backing each other up.
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    They did the same thing over at the Right Side Of Life site. 3 or 4 posters took up most of the time, to the point where you couldn’t discuss anything without them posting a long message espousing misinformation.

    You can argue with them all day long but their disregard for the truth makes it a waste of time.

  116. indymac | September 26, 2010 at 6:18 pm |
    Okay Helen. I guess there are some who call themselves Christians who don’t support Israel, but according to most Christians i know personally they would be considered off the reservation (and not to be blessed, if you know what I mean). So you keep on about Zionists/Likud and claim it’s all politics or whatever but I’m not buying. You certainly don’t strike me as a “conservative” Democrat (an oxymoron these days), though I do believe you that you’re a Dem.
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    How can a Christian not support Israel, the birthplace of Christianity? Our Christian (old) Testament was written by the Jews? I can’t speak for others but I am a Judeo-Christian. Jesus Christ was a Jew. His Judeo-Christian heritage is our Heritage. Sounds like Helen is about as much a “Christian” as bo is a “Christian.”

  117. ahhh, refreshing tone, indy, thank you.

    I do not claim to be anything other than an Independent conservative who leans slightly, ever so slightly to the left. This slightly is defined by years of working in the nonprofit world. I have and will remain a child advocate, what this means to me is that I will advocate our children who are born into poverty receive the basics – food, education and some form of healthcare – ie clinics etc.

    However, I worked the budget here in Virginia as an NGO and learned much about how it is skewed toward the middle and upper echelons of society. I understand why and find fault, but I do not make an issue of it…yet.

    This said, I do believe the budget can be shrinked greatly. Right now, in Virginia nearly .50 cents out of every tax dollar is going to public ed. I am of the opinion that the federals public education program is sorely broken and that state’s should consider taking the education system back and teaching the basics along with critical thinking rather than teaching to a rote memorization test. I abhor the union keeping teacher’s on the payroll who have lost their passion for teaching and are now just earning a paycheck. I find the system to be extremely broken.

    Credit cards, why is it if you send in your monthly payment postmarked on the 14th, due on the 15th, and are charged a late fee of $30 or more bucks. Not everyone has a pc. Not everyone has a bank acct. So who do you think is paying these fee’s?

    I could go on, but won’t. I believe there is way too much pork in the federal budget and lots in our state budget. Therefore, I’m and advocate for cutting and no new spending.

    How’s that for a couple of my policy decisions.

  118. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:11 pm
    It is getting easier to spot the obots. Notice how they work in teams making personal attacks and backing each other up.
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    They did the same thing over at the Right Side Of Life site. 3 or 4 posters took up most of the time, to the point where you couldn’t discuss anything without them posting a long message espousing misinformation.

    You can argue with them all day long but their disregard for the truth makes it a waste of time.
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    Yes that is exactly what obot-carlyle and his cohorts have been attempting to do here, but you see, it does not work when the ringleader obot-carlyle is not around.

  119. I am 1000000000000…% christian. Have no doubts. I love my brother Jesus and his prophets along with dear Lady Magdalene and her sisters of spirit.

    Just b/c a religion claims their heritage started in a particular area of the world does not mean I have to agree. It means I want the evidence B/C I worship a dear mortal who, according to biblical text, was murdered by my brother and sister the Jew.

    That said, it doesn’t mean I buy it…until we the people crack open the vaults of the Vatican who knows what is true historical biblical text and what is not.

    I don’t. Do you?

    Fire away, but I’m outta here for tonight. So make sure your beat up on me while I’m away. 🙂

  120. Notice now that obot-carlyle is in moderation, sunstein sends in the B-string obots, but they are easily recognized by the fact that they immediately start defending obot-carlyle rather than engaging in intelligent discussions or they start posting long NONSENSE posts about bo being a CIA agent & Malcolm X being bo’s daddy. Best thing to do is just ignore these B-string obots.

  121. Well, Larry Sinclair just deleted his Facebook page, and that is his last direct connection with the public.

    I hope whever he goes and whatever he is up to, Larry Sinclair can find some peace. The things he was subject to at the hand of Obama minions for the last two and a half years, no man should have to endure. But for the most part he endured it with grace and dignity and sometimes humor.

    The Larry Sinclair saga should be written about and gone into great detail. There is definitely a book on the subject to be written. What a wild ride Sinclair gave us, almost all of it under the radar of the MSM, which ran scared from the story and actively covered it up. Never before has there been this sort of concered whitewashing of a story by the mainstream media. What were they afraid of? Why could the name Larry Sinclair never be uttered by any of these talking heads?

    Take care Larry. You deserve the time off.

  122. Gianni | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |

    I pray that Larry hasn’t given up. His writings on the Truth about bo were instrumental in the awakening regarding the threat that bo is. I hope Larry is around to write the final chapter when bo is sent to prison.

  123. Citizen Wells’ coverage of Larry’s allegations about Obama is what originally brought me here. Larry is a brave man. He must see it through to the revelation of the Fraud’s crimes and misdemeanors, and his ultimate impeachment.

  124. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |
    Notice now that obot-carlyle is in moderation, sunstein sends in the B-string obots, but they are easily recognized by the fact that they immediately start defending obot-carlyle rather than engaging in intelligent discussions or they start posting long NONSENSE posts about bo being a CIA agent & Malcolm X being bo’s daddy. Best thing to do is just ignore these B-string obots.
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    Does anyone see what happened here?

    The obot’s goal is to antagonize sincere commentors in attempt to detract from the topic. They’ve attempted to steer conversation away from the original discussion and they have succeeded.

    The link Zach posted earlier exposes a nefarious connection between Barrack Obama and Malik Shabazz and the dropped charges in the voter intimidation case against Malik Shabazz. Potential Panthergate ya think?

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/09/24/which-malik-shabazz-visited-white-house-in-july-2009-mr-president/

    It is a monumental revelation but no one here is commenting about it. Like Michelle said, it makes me sick. This should go viral. If the enlightened patriots hardly take notice then how can we expect the uninformed citizenry to see the light?

    Tim Adams, Christian Adams, Christopher Coates and even Lucas Smith are legitimate topics concerning possible crimes and misdemeanors. They should be spread all over the blogosphere but we’re carrying on about who supports the tea party.

    Please, just ignore the obots. Don’t feed them and maybe they’ll go away. Lets get back to work.
    Black Panther Polling Place Story Explodes
    http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html

  125. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 10:11 am |
    Aussie | September 26, 2010 at 2:40 am |

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    FS did you misunderstand something that I said, or are you twisting my words?

    My response was to the garbage spewed by the real Obot Helen.

  126. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 4:26 pm |
    What is Helen even doing here?

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    Paxson, I agree with your question.

    There is nothing but ranting and raving and misinformation.

  127. Jonah | September 26, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |
    Notice now that obot-carlyle is in moderation, sunstein sends in the B-string obots, but they are easily recognized by the fact that they immediately start defending obot-carlyle rather than engaging in intelligent discussions or they start posting long NONSENSE posts about bo being a CIA agent & Malcolm X being bo’s daddy. Best thing to do is just ignore these B-string obots.
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    Does anyone see what happened here?

    The obot’s goal is to antagonize sincere commentors in attempt to detract from the topic. They’ve attempted to steer conversation away from the original discussion and they have succeeded.

    The link Zach posted earlier exposes a nefarious connection between Barrack Obama and Malik Shabazz and the dropped charges in the voter intimidation case against Malik Shabazz. Potential Panthergate ya think?

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/09/24/which-malik-shabazz-visited-white-house-in-july-2009-mr-president/
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    I will send out the link via email tomorrow morning. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Jonah.

  128. You have to see this:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2596640/posts

    A’jad monster’s ball (Ahmadinejad Met With Farrakhan and the New Black Panther Party)
    New York Post ^ | SEPTEMBER 26, 2010 | BRAD HAMILTON

    Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:03:34 PM by RobinMasters

    It was a strange week for the loony strongman from Iran.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s six nights in New York featured a secret sit-down with militant minister Louis Farrakhan, heckling in a hotel bar, and a fear of being rubbed out that bordered on paranoia.

    The president shared a hush-hush meal with Farrakhan and members of the New Black Panther Party Tuesday at the Warwick Hotel on West 54th Street.

    The meeting of the podium smackers took place in a banquet room, where the fiery leaders presumably exchanged theories on what’s wrong with the world.

  129. Just checking in. Good Night. Say a prayer for Larry Sinclair and his family. Hopefully he will not be another casualty of Obama’s tyranny (Donald Young, Lt. Col. Lakin, etc.). I believe he is a fighter and will emerge soon.

    Good Night.

  130. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |

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    Why do you keep saying I am in “moderation”? Do you even know how moderation works? Do you think it is some sort of “time slicing” micromanaged from the top by CW? To prevent any one poster for taking up more than their share of blogging space? If that were the case, CW is not very good at it!

  131. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Free Speech in Jail?

    I do not have the specific comment handy, but FS is partially correct. But as usual, just partly correct. The fact is that some days ago when the demon that uses his mouth sometimes was particularly foamy, I simply reminded him that there were laws against some of the things he was saying.

    As I recall, I further wondered if he liked jail so much that he was begging to go back. I then speculated that maybe rather than any righteous reason that we have been led to believe – that somehow it was simply his mouth that landed him in jail.

    But, in the meantime – and this is really funny – I began to muse on a very curious situation. We think that Free Speech is the same as Leo that lawyer guy, but no way to tell for sure. Most of the people here, including myself, use an avatar or pen name. So, I’m thinking – none of this is “real”. We do not exist. We have no legal standing. We have no rights or privileges. Anybody can say absolutely anything they want about CCFUBO, Free Speech, indymac, or whomever. This is total chaos, total anarchy, there are no rules or laws.

    Maybe our legal friends can come up with something more correct, but as I see it, we are completely off the legal radar!

  132. tennbrock | September 26, 2010 at 5:31 pm |
    FS, I am here to stay too. I like the info. that others post, except your ramblings and Helen’s nutty posts.

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    Tennbrock, I agree with your perspective.

    I find that when you really read CC, and it can be difficult, that he is saying something that makes people think…. he is definitely not an obot… not even close.

    At first I did not understand the PTB posts, but suddenly it dawned on me what he meant. Given that I am Australian, he helped me to understand some of the machinations that have been going on over here (behind the scenes) which explains how that dreadful Marxist Julia Gillard was able to take over as Prime Minister, and then manage to hold on when the electorate clearly had other ideas.

  133. indymac | September 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm |
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    Your comments are spot on… I agree 100%

  134. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm |
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    Bob that is well stated

  135. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Take a look over there – – –

    Today – the holy day, no less – it seems that FS is a bit demonized. I would suggest that you look at the previous thread. He had some moments of lucidity. You may or may not agree with the opinions he said, but at least he was being human. I took some of his comments and grew them along the lines he had started. I further recognized that these were contributory to the proper discussion on this blog.

    And finished with some comments about the two distinctly different FS’s that show up here from time to time. Rather than just pizzing on him wholesale, perhaps we should all try to encourage the more beneficial one.

    And in terms of the Big Picture that seems to have largely addled Free Speech in the first place – and for others to politely say they “disagree with my approach” –

    I was watching a football game today when a decision came up about whether to punt/kick for crash one up the middle. They chose the latter and lost the war. I was imagining the talk in the huddle. People arguing about optimists and pessimists. One of them jumping up and down saying run THIS play, run THIS play, I been saying it all day and no one will listen, and it is the only one that will work. And then one guy says – you know I used to play with that team – or maybe he says, my father or best friend coaches that team. Then he says, that they are hair triggered for the crash up the middle and will never never let that happen. Do the guys in the huddle excoriate him or thank him for his inside knowledge and save themselves? Do they call a pass play instead, or even the dreaded kick (strategic retreat)? Or do they perversely run up the middle and get squished?

    In any case, there seems to be too much raw animal behavior on this blog – kicking, gouging, b-tch slapping, ankle biting, etc. – and not nearly enough civilized human behavior.

    But – what do I know?

  136. Jonah | September 26, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |
    Notice now that while obot-carlyle was in moderation, sunstein sent in the B-string obots, but they are easily recognized by the fact that they immediately start defending obot-carlyle rather than engaging in intelligent discussions or they start posting long NONSENSE posts about bo being a CIA agent & Malcolm X being bo’s daddy. Best thing to do is just ignore these B-string obots.
    ====================================

    Does anyone see what happened here?

    The obot’s goal is to antagonize sincere commentors in attempt to detract from the topic. They’ve attempted to steer conversation away from the original discussion and they have succeeded.

    The link Zach posted earlier exposes a nefarious connection between Barrack Obama and Malik Shabazz and the dropped charges in the voter intimidation case against Malik Shabazz. Potential Panthergate ya think?

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2010/09/24/which-malik-shabazz-visited-white-house-in-july-2009-mr-president/
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    Watching 60 Minutes segment about the Afghan war. The filthy taliban Terrorist remind me of the obots here, senseless animals muttering NONSENSE.

    60 Minutes

  137. Dean M. | September 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm |
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    Dean you have some interesting comments. I am not sure if I agree with most of what you state, but there are a few things that do resonate.

    That being said, have you heard of the malware Stuxnet? It has been affecting Iranian computers. It might be interesting to see if what I read about Stuxnet is true. If it is, then there is a possibility that Iran’s getting the bomb will be delayed… permanently, I hope.

  138. Pamela Geller on 60 Minutes Now

  139. Go Gov Paladino! He pledged to condemn and shut down the Ground Zero Terrorist mosque if elected Gov. of NY! YES!!!

  140. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 26, 2010 at 8:04 pm |
    In any case, there seems to be too much raw animal behavior on this blog – kicking, gouging, b-tch slapping, ankle biting, etc. – and not nearly enough civilized human behavior.
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    That’s your opinion, my opinion is, the people on this site are true patriots, who love their government when it is operated according to the US Constitution.

  141. GZ TERRORIST mosque iman just admitted that building bo’s TERROR mosque is a muslim “military campaign.”

  142. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 26, 2010 at 8:04 pm |
    In any case, there seems to be too much raw animal behavior on this blog – kicking, gouging, b-tch slapping, ankle biting, etc. – and not nearly enough civilized human behavior.
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    That’s your opinion, my opinion is, the people on this site are true patriots, who love their government when it is operated according to the US Constitution.
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    Typical alinsky/tacqiya/lying tactic by obot-carlyle, accusing Patriots here on CW of the uncivilized tactics that obot-carlyle and the other obots use.

  143. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm |
    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm |

    Helen’s postings of those good conservative organizations that support the Tea Party movement just give me more confidence in the Tea Party movement. Her ploy backfired. She appears to have this mistaken notion that people here disrespect President Bush. He made mistakes like every other President but I never once thought that my Constitutional Freedoms were threatened by President Bush. I have known that bo is a threat to all Americans since Phil Berg filed his lawsuit against bo in August of 2008.
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    This I agree with 100%. What is to be gained by denegrating the Tea Party movement in any way, shape or form? Of course, there are mistakes and perhaps some allegiances that are not the best, but we live in an imperfect world with imperfect human beings. You are right on about President Bush, too. Bravo!

  144. Aussie
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    I haven’t heard of Stuxnet. By the way, appreciate your reading my thoughts. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m just sharing my ideas.

    There seems to be a dimension to our whole situation in the US that none of us can get a handle on. Sometimes the discussion here goes into Alice & Wonderland because we are all groping for answers. Each of us has his/her own perspective. But the whole thing is so dang weird since Obama was elected, there is a constant “What in the hec is going on?” So we search and grope for answers. Our prejudices come out and we bicker sometimes. At least we have the forum to do that in. Big Brother hasn’t taken that away yet.

    In looking for answers, I am drawn to a worse case scenario because of my own human experience. I am a Vietnam Vet and so there is this tendency to always be on guard to the possibility of “ambush.” You develop a gut instinct in order to survive.

    My gut instinct is that something is seriously wrong–worse than any of us has imagined yet. So I go looking for things to match my instinct. It may not be as bad as I imagine. But I stayed alive in certain situations by following my instincts, and I would like to continue to live and see our country prosper.

    My feeling about Obama is, he is a Muslim and in particular, a Shiite. He has the country somehow over a barrel. I don’t see him a just a Liberal light weight airhead, out of touch with reality. Maybe he is. But if isn’t, then he’s playing all of us like a violin.

  145. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
    Typical alinsky/tacqiya/lying tactic by obot-carlyle, accusing Patriots here on CW of the uncivilized tactics that obot-carlyle and the other obots use.
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    Nice how the truth comes out eventually, and then the name calling begins, they accuse us of doing what they are doing. Name calling, ankle biting, b-tch slapping, kicking, and gouging. Did I forget any?

    The subject here is Obama’s lack of credentials to be president, and the corruption in the court system preventing discovery of Obama’s NBC status. Hawaii has some explaining to do also.

  146. Bob – ever heard of the Patriot Act? It was drafted long before 911 occured. It was renewed twice maybe three times under his administration.

  147. @Dean M,

    I found a post at Legal Insurrection where Prof Jacobsen wrote about Stuxnet. The whole thing is intriguing. His post was backed by Debkafile and the Christian Science Monitor. My understanding is that this is no ordinary malware and that it seeks out a particular target. If the computer does not control the target then the malware is benign.

    The question raised is whether or not this was developed by Israel or the US (maybe both?) and it seems that the likely target is the Bushre (sp) reactor is the target. If that is the case, and it has successfully reached the target, then a bombing raid might not be necessary in the short term 🙂

  148. Bush mistake #1
    Forgot he was President of the US with access to all FBI, CIA, and classified material. While he was sooo busy looking for Bin Ladin, he missed the enemy who was on TV everyday campaigning to be CIC. Oops.

  149. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm |

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    Perhaps you should take a reread and then consider a rewrite. By saying what you did, you are condoning the animal behavior. I was not talking about you. I was not talking about the majority of the people on this blog who are as you say.

    I was talking about specific individuals who do indeed engage in the specific behaviors I itemized and only rarely contribute in any way that you positively describe.

    The only way we are going to get rid of the itemized behaviors is for people to speak out against them. Look around. There is much discussion and airing of opinions – pro and con, some agreeable some disagreeable. These are all human behaviors and contribute to the goals here.

    But there is a minority of abusive discussion. This is not the discussion of humans, but of raw primitive animal behavior – gouging and kicking, etc.

  150. And couldn’t agree with you more, Bob, Hawaii has some splainin to do.

    Take a look at the questioning of Coates yesterday by the attorney from Hawaii. And then look at some of the other material documents put into the record by same attorney. Then add to that last year’s legislation passed in Congress to give Hawaii her rights back. Once you start to see the policy being passed in support of Hawaii natives being able to form their own sovereign nation, you quickly learn this another of O’s pay to play schemes…meaning you, Hawaii, give me cover and I, Obama, will give you your soveriegnty back, that is to the native Hawiian’s.

  151. bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
    Typical alinsky/tacqiya/lying tactic by obot-carlyle, accusing Patriots here on CW of the uncivilized tactics that obot-carlyle and the other obots use.
    *****************************************
    Nice how the truth comes out eventually, and then the name calling begins, they accuse us of doing what they are doing. Name calling, ankle biting, b-tch slapping, kicking, and gouging. Did I forget any?

    The subject here is Obama’s lack of credentials to be president, and the corruption in the court system preventing discovery of Obama’s NBC status.
    ==================================

    Exactly, and those subjects about bo’s crimes are what obot-carlyle and the other obots are trying to divert attention from with idiotic posts about bo being a CIA agent or the son of Malcolm X.

  152. Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 8:16 pm |
    Go Gov Paladino! He pledged to condemn and shut down the Ground Zero Terrorist mosque if elected Gov. of NY! YES!!!

    =============================================
    From what I have seen of Paladino, he will be good for New York.

    I was fortunate enough to visit New York last year when I spent a month in the USA and Canada. Our trip included traveling on the trains, and we saw quite a bit of upstate New York. I do remember that in one town on the rail line (it was a stop on this trip) there were many kool aid drinker who had the Øbama stickers as well as advertising that they were Oppressives … make that Progressive but in reality they are Oppressives.

  153. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Dean M. | September 26, 2010 at 8:37 pm |

    My gut instinct is that something is seriously wrong–worse than any of us has imagined yet. So I go looking for things to match my instinct. It may not be as bad as I imagine. But I stayed alive in certain situations by following my instincts, and I would like to continue to live and see our country prosper.

    =================================

    You are spot on sir. But be careful – that will earn you a title of “pessimist” and upset the optimists here. There are many “enthusiasts” who seem to me to think that Zero is either the only problem or the problem that dwarfs all else.

    I agree that he is a HUGE problem and quite possibly the most visible oozing wound on the corpse. But I totally reject the idea that if we get rid of Zero, everything will return to normal and everything will be hunky dory. I think said corpse is pretty big and pretty rotten.

    In the last hundred years or more there have been many egregious violations of the constitution. Even now, today, most of the entire Federal Government is unconstitutional. Every day, all the time!

    Remember when I said that I think most PTBs think that Zero’s birth circumstances are of no consequence? A minor technical detail? This is why. They KNOW about the VAST amount of other unconstitutional stuff.

    I have been a constitutionalist all my life, and will die such. It sometimes irks me that all of a sudden – with Zero – a buch of people “got religion”. Where were they for the last hundred years?

    In the end – I know somebody here has the exact quote – but an Eastern European newspaper editorial said it best – paraphrasing – The American nation will survive Obama but will not survive the type of people who would elect an Obama.

    My agenda is much bigger than Obama. My agenda encompasses ALL unconstitutional circumstances, and ALL anti-American activities.

    Having said that, however, the Obama Deception remains the biggest (in scope and scale) FRAUD and the biggest CON in the history of the universe. And, yeah, to be overlorded by that THING is pretty peeving.

    THAT, my friends, is the BIG PROBLEM facing us.

  154. Dean M. 8:37 PM

    “My gut instinct is that something is seriously wrong–worse than any of us has imagined yet. So I go looking for things to match my instinct. It may not be as bad as I imagine. But I stayed alive in certain situations by following my instincts, and I would like to continue to live and see our country prosper.”
    ***********************************
    It’s is enjoyable and enlightening to read your posts, because you THINK, which a few don’t do here, and you also express your views in a palatable manner without rancor. I do agree with any number of your thoughts as possibilities and believe that this is the spirit in which you present them.
    You are simply sharing your deepest feelings about the dilemma we are in and asking honest, straight forward questions. That is extremely worthwhile, as far as I’m concerned.

    With respect to your quote cited above I, too, share that gut feeling. There are so many possibilities when it comes to the secrets surrounding O’s birth and background, and all seem to be sinister in one way or another.

    For one thing, I feel this is a totally evil man who has, perhaps, sold his soul to the powers of wickedness. He may well be worse than anything anyone has conjectured. We don’t have a crystal ball and we are not prophets, but how far this evil will be perpetuated remains to be seen.

    In my book, we must try to prevail through any means possible and keep our eye on the ball. Hope and work for the best, but prepare for the worst.

    Frankly, I think he has his eyes on being “president of the world”, but first he must bring down the U.S. to the level of the third world countries, if he can, because a new role for him – if he can pull it off, and it is a big “IF’ – would be much easier if the U.S. is neutralized first. Call me crazy, if you wish. I am not predicting this. I’m just saying it is a possibility.

  155. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Just above – ooops – paragraph out of order – “THAT, my friends, is the BIG PROBLEM facing us” should go just after the East Europe paragraph.

  156. Free speech said:
    Exactly, and those subjects about bo’s crimes are what obot-carlyle and the other obots are trying to divert attention from with idiotic posts about bo being a CIA agent or the son of Malcolm X.

    ======================================
    If you read the posts properly, you will see that this is a theory that has been posited by others… you will also see that most of us who responded to Dean discounted the Malcolm X connection.
    Whilst there is some resemblance between Øbama and Malcolm X, especially with the voice cadence, there are differences that are quite extreme. I personally think that Malcolm X was the less dangerous of the pair.
    The issue itself could be resolved by a DNA test on the relatives of Malcolm X (he had 4 daughters), on the relatives of Frank Marshall Davis, as well as relatives and direct descendents of Øbama sr.

    My personal view is that Øbama looks a lot like his mother and his grandmother. He has his mother’s longer face. His “father” had a chubbier face.

    I also noted that one person has stated that he saw Øbama sr with Ann Dunham. That person was Neil Abercrombie who was a drinking buddy with Øbama sr. It is worth noting that the picture that shows daddy and son together at the airport was taken when Øbama sr had come back to Hawaii to meet up with his drinking buddies, and not with either Ann or junior.

    Also, many people get distracted over the issue of when it was decided that Øbama would run for president. It has been a tactic to deflect from the “birthers” with the absurd line that it sounds like a conspiracy since before he was born… this is why sometimes the simplest explanation is often the right explanation.

    If by chance Øbama was born in Mombassa, and Ann returned to the USA with him, when she was supposed to leave him there, then it is more than likely that granny did in fact put in the form for the birth to ensure that her grandson became a recognized American citizen, for no other reason, than to give him citizenship cover!!! It is not beyond the realm of possibility that this is what happened. It would have nothing to do with future plans.

    The waters have been muddied by the obots who claim that he is NBC because he was alleged to have been born in Hawaii, even though the only “proof” has been a forged COLB.

    Sometimes it seems to me that the real conspiracy theorists are the obots themselves. They tend to spin the whole issue.

    Øbama is not NBC because the man named as his father was a Kenyan, a British citizen. At the time British citizenship was conferred by the father to the son. Since Ann had not reached the age of majority in 1961 she was less capable of conferring citizenship upon her son. If he was born in Hawaii, then he has dual citizenship. That dual citizenship means divided loyalties.

    However, the real smoking gun is not where Øbama was born, but the Indonesian adoption. Someone claimed that the adoption was annulled in 1971, however, I do not recall any papers that annulled the adoption by Soetoro. Even so, when Soetoro adopted Øbama, he became an Indonesian citizen, and that means his citizenship of the USA is questionable.

  157. Citizen Carlyle
    ================
    Always enjoy your posts and comments. It is an education to see how some people react–in a rude, crude and socially unacceptable manner. The best thing to do, in my experience, is detach. You can’t engage with those who wish operate in an arrogant, egotistical mode. They’re lacking something in themselves. It does no good to try and correct them. They’re stuck in their mode.

    I remember you from the discussions at Texas Darlin. She did a really good job of “moderating” to keep things civil. So the discussion there remained on a high level. People disagreed in a friendly manner. Nasty blogs were eliminated and/or screened out. Name calling wasn’t allowed.

    Wells is not operating in that manner. He seems like a really decent fellow, but there is more of a free-for-all here. So perhaps we have to skip over the nonsense–take what we like and leave the rest!

  158. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    People who pizz on me are my enemies. Obama is my enemy. Elite b-stards like these are my enemies. Much good (ALL of America’s greatness) has come from following the Constitution. No good whatsoever has come from Globalization. Check this out. It ought to raise the hair on the back of your neck.

    And Caesar’s spirit, raging for revenge,
    With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
    Shall in these confines with a monarch’s voice
    Cry “Havoc!” and let slip the dogs of war,
    That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
    With carrion men, groaning for burial.
    Julius Caesar Act 3, scene 1, 270–275

    Kurt Nimmo
    September 25, 2010

    The editors of the Economist have declared constitutionalists mentally ill. “Indeed, there is something infantile in the belief of the constitution-worshipers that the complex political arguments of today can be settled by simple fidelity to a document written in the 18th century,” the editors wrote on September 23. “When history is turned into scripture and men into deities, truth is the victim.”

    Following the Constitution is infantile behavior, according to two publications produced by the Rothschilds, the CFR, and the CIA.

    The Economist is owned by members of the Rothschild banking family of England. It is run by the Economist Group, a known CIA front.

    According to the Economist, the framers were aristocrats who “did not believe that poor men, or any women, let alone slaves, should have the vote.” The Constitution does not address the “hard questions thrown up by modern politics,” namely should gays be allowed to marry?

    The Economist argument against the Constitution is the same one used by liberal academics. The document is antiquated, the product of a bygone era. The founders were afraid of “democracy taking hold,” so they crafted a document designed to exclude the common people and preserve their aristocratic position.

    Globalists love democracy. It is an easy enough task to fool the people, especially these days with 24-7 media and satellite television. It is a relatively simple matter to have the benighted masses vote away their natural rights under some cooked up false pretense. “Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote,” wrote Marvin Simkin. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

    Soon after the Economist article appeared, the establishment publication Foreign Policy posted an article slamming the idea that we should follow the Constitution. Joshua Keating writes that he suspects “most Americans don’t realize quite how old the Constitution is by world standards,” that is to say globalist standards.

  159. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    Dean M. | September 26, 2010 at 9:22 pm |

    =================================

    Yeah, did you read my post about the legal no-man’s-land we are operating in here? None of us are real people – just imaginary commenters.

    Maybe the bottom line is that I have gotten too protective of my Avatar and my Penname – CCFUBO. But why? CCFUBO is not even real. He may as well be Harvey the rabbit. Why should “I” care about CCFUBO? He’s just a made up player in an online game. This blog is a game field. The characters get credibility points and demerits based solely on the opinions of others here – all imaginary and of no consequence!

    Who or what is CCFUBO? In this modern age of anonymity? What do legal scholars say? What would the great philosophers think?

    A wisp of air – nothing more – – –

    And yet if the imaginary CCFUBO can connect with a single real person and inspire that person – then “I” will be happy.

  160. Dean M.
    I didn’t want to repost your perspective because of length. I do believe that having nuclear weapons, and being able to deploy them successfully are two very different things. In the case of Iran, should they attempt to launch a missle with warhead, I think it will end badly for them. Should Iran do a terrorist smuggling of the warheads, they will likely fail if Israel is the target. No, I think we need to accept that if the Iranians attempt to use a nuclear warhead, it will be shipped in a container and detonated within a major US city on one of the coasts. Think 45 degrees.

    Pete

  161. “Certificate of Nomination Summary”
    By butterdezillion

    “Note to my readers: I have updated this post to reflect the true origin of the research and story about there being 2 different certifications signed by Pelosi and Germond. My apologies to blogger jbjd for wrongly attaching someone else’s name to her work.”

    Certificate of Nomination Summary

  162. flashback to decade of 1776

    revolution, killing, fighting, war
    colonists killing Brittish
    loyalists to the King George

    the new born Americans declare independence, then in 1783 they write the Constitution
    John Jay reads a draft and sends a note to the framers: Monroe , Jefferson, Adams, etc. cc’ing George Washington…”hey you guys, we can’t have a president with dual allegiances…change the wording”. It gets changed to natural born citizen. Why ? and what did it mean back then? It meant that the framers of the Constitution did NOT want any foreign born influence. They just fought a war against the Brittish, and for example, they were not going to lose their war by having a president, like the SON of KING GEORGE become their president and lose all the hard won freedoms. But yet you get some bushwacked far left liberal saying…errr…ummm….huh…..natural born citizen means ________________ fill in the blank, anything and everything to make what I just said about the framers intent above seem like a lie.

    Who is fooling who? And some people call these toons progressives……..

  163. Although I rarely watch Charlie Rose, he had an interesting program last night. He interviewed 4 Iranian Americans that live and work here in this country. It sounded like they all have continuous contacts in Iran. Their perspective was a bit encouraging. They discussed current dissention among the (maniac) president and the supreme rulers, as well as the parliament and even the Revolutionary Guard. They said there has been recent (within the last 2 weeks) discussion of impeaching Ahmadinejad.

    They said that since all the sanctions, their economy is approaching the
    state of collapse. The younger, sophisticated and educated populace is extremely unhappy and begging for the US to stand with them. They are leaning towards a more secular type government. After the rigged election, they were holding signs to Obama stating, “you’re either with us or against us.” Even family members of the regime were out in protest, risking their lives to overturn the election. They said dissenters are still being held and tortured; unlike what the maniac is publicly saying.

    Obama missed an excellent opportunity to get something (covertly) done during those protests. Perhaps there is something in the works. Anyway, looks like things might be boiling to a head to a point the religious leaders might out him or the “green movement” could topple everyone. Now, with stuxnet, they may be totally overwhelmed and crumble on their own. Who knows??? I did find this discussion encouraging though. I posted the link below if anyone is interested. The segment with the Iranians starts at about the 30 minute mark.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/180718/charlie-rose-sebasti%C3%A1n-pi%C3%B1era-president-of-chile-a-look-at-iran#s-p1-so-i0

  164. Dean M. @ 6:25 pm |
    The Obama fiction get more ludicrous by the day “Obama is much more intelligent than many wish ” all South Side pimps sound just like him, he is a caricature, this is his 20 year career as a “community organizer” code for slum landlord”. He probably found it more profitable than walking the streets.
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
    Grim proving ground for Obama’s housing policy
    The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

  165. Michelle

    Yes, I agree..During the primaries I kept screaming why doesn’t someone in the media go and visit with his constituents. All his slumlord deals were disgusting. Pictures and stories were up on the net, but the LSM kept it all from the public’s eye. Those housing projects were a national disgrace. The tenants eventually were stuck with no heat, leaking roofs and rats. But as usual, although he got the funding for the developers, he kept himself under the radar. He did, however, represent those people. He should be in prison with Rezko for crimes against humanity.

  166. Free Speech @ 7:02 pm |
    Gianni @ 6:57 pm |
    “Take care Larry. You deserve the time off.”
    I agree-take care Larry. Every human being is different, has a different breaking point, sensitivity or just gets burned out physically and mentally. Larry can pick up the work at a later time, the truth is not going to change.

  167. Free Speech @ 8:07 pm |
    I saw 60 Minutes tonight re: Afgan War, Pakistan border. Lord have mercy, it was very scary-then Iman Rauf came on-that man totally creeps me out, the more he yaks about being a man of peace, more blah, blah, blah the less I believe him. His story and the way he tells it much too smooth, he reminds me a lot of Obama. The lioness Pam Geller was on too, she seems to have everybody’s number-smart, tough little cookie that one is.
    I did not see this the first time it was aired.
    NEXT PRIMETIME AIRING SEP 28 9P TUE
    Visit one of America’s last fishing communities as its residents fight to preserve their homes and livelihoods in the wake of one of the greatest environmental disasters in U.S. history. NGC follows the desperate stories of Venice, La., fishermen, from last ditch efforts to drop their nets in the early stages of the oil spill, to the anger, anxiety and joblessness that followed the April 2010 disaster
    Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/episode/after-the-spill-the-last-catch-5565#ixzz10h9NISy2

  168. Michelle | September 26, 2010 at 11:00 pm |

    People are getting fed up with LIARS like rauf, sunstein, bo and the obots accusing We Patriots of their uncivilized behavior.

    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm |
    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 8:19 pm |
    Typical alinsky/tacqiya/lying tactic by obot-carlyle, accusing Patriots here on CW of the uncivilized tactics that obot-carlyle and the other obots use.
    *****************************************
    Nice how the truth comes out eventually, and then the name calling begins, they accuse us of doing what they are doing. Name calling, ankle biting, b-tch slapping, kicking, and gouging. Did I forget any?

  169. What a disappointment this blog has become. The obots are winning this skirmish, but will lose the battle.

  170. HonorFirst @ 10:36 pm |
    “He should be in prison with Rezko for crimes against humanity.”
    If you treated an animal like Obama/Jarrett treated the folks in these government subsidized buildings (fed, state, local tax monies) you would be up on charges with the ASPCA. 20 years of these crimes against humanity, and some act like this fool-Obama is a hero, not on your life. These people are what is known as in Chicago as the working poor, they are workers, tax payers and for the most part very nice people. We used to work with them in the suburbs. Their lives were not easy, but they tried so hard-perfect prey for greedy politicians. I have two words that could fix the South Side of Chicago in about a month. REV. MANNING.

  171. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)–September 26, 2010, 9:41 pm
    ====================================
    Yes, I did read your post. One has to maintain a sense of irony and you are very good at it. I like your quoting Shakespeare, too. Right now I’m thinking of Hamlet’s soliloquy, “To be or not to be.”
    =====================================
    Pete–September 26, 2010, 9:57 pm
    =====================================
    The Nuke thing is a very real possibility and 45 degrees–a lot of my fellow Jews in NYC, so it is a prime target as well as Israel.
    =====================================
    Michelle — September 26, 2010, 10:28 pm
    =====================================
    According to my “ludicrous” theory, you, as well as some other at this site, are believing exactly what Obama would want you to believe–a “South Side pimp?” Well, that fits in the category, too, just some loser Liberal ne’r do well, South Side pimp-like, or shall I say it, “nigger.”

    I think that attitude is more ludicrous than my theory that Obama is extremely intelligent, worked for the CIA and has that agency in his back pocket to the point that otherwise patriotic Americans in Media and government can’t open their mouths. They can’t even begin to approach the truth.

    So, think what you want. I would rather believe Obama is just a ne’r do well lightweight Liberal who will soon be made powerless by a great Tea Party & Republican landside in November, but I don’t think that is Reality. I think unless people see what is really going on, all hell is going to bust loose. But that could be due to my “nerves” as a Vietnam Vet. It could also be due to my having not so distant relatives with my same last name who died in the Holocaust. While I’m on that subject—–
    ===================================
    Helen
    ====================================
    I was really surprised at your remarks about Zionists and about Jews claiming to be the only people who have suffered. We had 18 million Jews–check any world Almanac from before WWII–that was our apogee population-wise before WWII. After war, 12 million. (For any Holocaust deniers, where did the 6 million go?) That was one-third of the Jewish population–one out of three Jews in the world died in the extermination camps.

    There has been genocide before and there probably will be again. But this is not something one can play down by saying other people have suffered too.

    And with 100 million Arabs surrounding the tiny State of Israel of less the 6 million, and a fifth column within as well with suicide bombers, pray tell me: What Arab state or other Muslim state would be willing to absorb the Palestinians? They are Muslim. they are Arabs. They speak Arabic. Who among them would take them in? Be generous to them? Say words to this effect:

    “Fellow Muslim Arab, we realize it is hard for you in Israel. Come here where we share the same language, religion and culture. Let God take care of Israel. In the interest of peace, come and live with us.”

    Not only do they not welcome Palestinians, but they kick all Jews out of their countries as well. They don’t recognize the right of Israel to even exist. Their Jihadist leaders say they want to kill all Jews and subjugate all Christians. Infidels must convert or be killed, but I don’t think at this point a Jew could even convert to spare his life. They want us all dead.

    So, if the tiny State of Israel overreacts at times, uses overly harsh methods, well I think about my tour in Vietnam and say we Americans have done the same. But our overall intent is freedom and goodwill. For that, America and Israel are the Greater and Lesser Satans.

    To nuke us Americans and wipe out Israel altogether, I see as a very real possibility and goal of the Jihadists and they have the upper hand in the Muslim world. Moderates in the Muslim world right now: Not allowed.

  172. Bill G | September 26, 2010 at 11:14 pm |
    What a disappointment this blog has become. The obots are winning this skirmish, but will lose the battle.
    ====================================

    It’s sad to see a handful of obots ruin every discussion.

  173. Free Speech @ 11:12 pm |
    The main street media has started reporting on the Tea Party in the last month. At least this interview was polite. I think there are many more folks in the Tea Party, than they are willing to acknowledge and they definitely know more than Dem or Rep, maybe both combined.
    Is this a lawyer term: when all else fails, resort to the ridiculous? We Tea Party folks endured so many insults in the beginning of the movement, that they just sort of roll off the back now.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/26/ftn/main6902207.shtml?tag=contentBody;featuredPost-PE
    What Is The Tea Party?
    Florida Republican Senate nominee Marco Rubio spoke with Bob Schieffer on what separates the Republicans and Democrats from the Tea Party
    Video
    Buck: I’m Not an Extremist
    Bob Schieffer spoke with Colorado Republican Senate nominee Ken Buck on his stances with issues concerning out-of-control spending, extending tax-cuts, abortion and what he has in common with other Tea Party candidates.

  174. Michelle | September 26, 2010 at 11:47 am |

    I continue to marvel at the way the delusioned believe their own hype.

    What the dems have done for the last two years, in the sight of all, is far worse in the eyes of the voters than ANYTHING they can say about their opponents.

    The ol’ double standard of “the dems can get by with any rotten tactic they want, but no one else can” is gone, gone, gone. — Thanks in large measure to the massive numbers of thinking citizens who put country first and exited the dem delusion.

  175. Michelle | September 26, 2010 at 11:27 pm |
    Free Speech @ 11:12 pm |

    Is this a lawyer term: when all else fails, resort to the ridiculous?
    ============================================

    The saying is “When the Law is on your side argue the Law, when the facts are on your side argue the facts, when neither the Law or the facts are on your side, the BS.”

    So the obots just, BS, BS, BS.

  176. SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 11:59 am |
    HonorFirst | September 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm |
    ——————
    Ditto, ditto, ditto!!!

  177. Dean M. @ 11:19 pm | Dean I’m from Chicago, the South Side of Chicago has been a cesspool of corruption for the last half century. Don’t believe it go there. The folks there could have used some help, not to get stomped on some more by greedy, corrupt politicians. Spend a month down there, no one will ever be able to fool you again. It has been over-run by gang-bangers, drug dealers and every vice known to man. The crime stats are the highest in the nation-and have been for years. This is where babies get killed in their beds because the gang-bangers go on shooting sprees-commonly referred to in Chicago as a war zone and they are not kidding.

  178. Several different thoughts:

    1) My son and I were watching 60 minutes tonight. He’s 15. When Iman Rauf came on, my son said there’s something wrong with his eyes. He looks dead. There’s no soul in him. Kids seem to know things. I said my son is right. He’s eyes have no life and no trust in them. Don’t ask me why I watch 60 minutes. For some reason, we were watching it after football today.

    2) The MSM keeps saying it is the Tea Partiers that are mad at Obama. I think they have a surprise in store for them. It seems to me that many more people are mad at Obama. I am a recovering liberal. I admit I was a Democrat for many years until Obama stole the nomination from Hillary. Then I saw the light. Now I can’t stand the Dems. And I can’t stand that Obama hates America and hates Israel. The Democratic party is not the party I grew up with as a kid when America fell in love with JFK. RFK was a strong supporter of Israel which is why he got shot. JFK wanted tax cuts. The Democratic Party should be called the Marxist party of America.

    3) I think the MSM also does not want to admit that the Dems have lost many female supporters which is a core part of the Dems base.

  179. Jonah | September 26, 2010 at 12:10 pm |
    ——-
    Wonder if they were concocting their plans for November voter intimidation tactics.

    btw thanks for all your efforts in trying to trace aka o.’s genealogy, and the info you’ve shared.

  180. Tina @ 11:37 pm |
    “I think the MSM also does not want to admit that the Dems have lost many female supporters which is a core part of the Dems base.”
    same here-I think the Dems lost 60 per cent to the Tea Party, some just don’t like cheating, then there is the wacked out policies-JFK-we were kids and he had us all rise to the occasion. This Dem party is opposed to everything he stood for-everything. “We pledge our best efforts, to help them help themselves”, not that Great Society fiasco LBJ dreamed up. Here’s money, give me your vote and I don’t want to see your face-that’s a lot of help but only to the politicians-bought them off-cheap too.
    I agree with your son, very astute child.

  181. Thanks, Michele. I agree with you. Just imagine. JFK wanted to put a man on the moon. He thought America was great. He fought for democracy. Obama wants to stop the manned space program and can’t stop apologizing for America. He wants a Post-America. Very scary.

  182. Paxson | September 26, 2010 at 12:48 pm |
    ))))))))))))))))))))
    I’m wondering. What will happen if dems are fraudulently declared winners of some of the elections?

  183. With all the talk about vote fraud, what has been done to insure fraud-free voting processes?

    For instance, what about the AZ repub primary? Myself, I find McCain’s win extremely difficult to believe.

  184. Dean M. 11:19 PM
    You say,
    “Fellow Muslim Arab, we realize it is hard for you in Israel. Come here where we share the same language, religion and culture. Let God take care of Israel. In the interest of peace, come and live with us.”
    Not only do they not welcome Palestinians, but they kick all Jews out of their countries as well.
    ****************************
    You are absolutely right. The Palestinians are not welcomed by their fellow Arab nations, who hate the Jews with a passion. I am a Gentile but have a great affection and respect for the Jewish people and the land of Israel. This is because I believe that they are God’s chosen people, and although they rebelled against His laws at times, He will bring them back.

    I also personally have had Jewish friends whom I loved dearly. One of them was a neighbor who has since passed. He came from Poland at a very young age, settled in Cleveland, Ohio, and later served in WW II. He told me many times of the prejudice he endured during his life and also about the pogroms in Poland as he remembered them. After the war he entered the grocery business and became quite successful. What a fine person!

    I share your concern about the threat of Iran, because there you truly have a madman who believes in bringing on an armageddon in order to herald the coming of their “messiah”. He’s crazy, but crazy people sometimes do crazy things.

  185. Tina @ 11:53 pm | Tina-the Irish have always gotten it. My god-parents were Irish from Chicago-my god-mothers father taught us little kids about politics when we were about 6 or 7, I guess he felt we could understand it, he made us love it. I think the reason the Irish feel this way is because of the Irish potato famine. One third of their population died of starvation (no one came to their aid, some helped this genocide along), another third came to the United States, the last third stayed in Ireland, but the familial bond was never broken-also what I believe saved the Irish was their pride, no one was going to break them, so they just put their backs to it and went to work. I just love their use of prose and poetry-the Irish bars in Chicago are wonderful-except when the guys sing the sad songs-the Irish melancholy overcomes them sometimes.

  186. HonorFirst | September 26, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
    ————
    Interesting that his abilities to bend people to his will were functioning so well even before he had official “clout.”
    He wasn’t even ‘the one’ then.

  187. SirWilliam | September 26, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    My hat is off to you for your many patriotic efforts. Thank you.

  188. Humanitarian aid delays for American victims of the US military Gulf oil and chemical dispersant attacks is a matter of life and death. WWL TV reports on one family of many submitting aid requests for Toxic Survival Kits, insurance and relocation assistance. Aid available is not meeting the needs but with more reports like WWL’s, those suffering have a better chance of survival.

    Without media exposure to Gulf truth, the nation’s people of goodwill remain unaware of the crime against humanity being committed in the United States against innocent Americans. If every local station did what WWl TV has done in this report, people suffering would have better opportunities to survive this crime against humanity.

    Bill Capo of WWL News based in Greater New Orleans reports on the tragic story of the Fabacher family, a story all too familiar to front-line workers at Ground Zero along the Gulf and now, increasingly to non-Gulf Coast state residents reporting widespread chemical poisoning symptoms. (See the Youtube video report below at the bottom of this page.)

    “I’m fixing to lose my house, I’m fixing to lose my cars. I’m fixing to lose everything,” said a tearful Kathleen Fabacher whose husband went blind seven years ago.

    The Fabachers ran Lafourche Seafood in Galliano, Louisiana where the sign now “leans crookedly against a storage trailer, since the company shut down in May” and the owners helplessly watch their income disappear according to Capo.

    A family reported last week that their friends from the north traveled down to New Orleans after learning that the entire family was ill:

    “We had to move from Kenner, Louisiana because everyone in my family came down with headaches, nausea, and vomiting. But when two of us started having blood in our urine and feces, I did my research and this is case book symptoms of Corexit use,” reported the mother in the home.

    Her brother had blood in his urine and feces, then so did she, and began vomiting, had rashes. That is when her friend came and got the three of them and told them they had to leave according to Barefooot Doctors.

    “My brother was in hospice and I knew I had to get him away. We left everything.”

    The family is now living in a travel trailer and broke.

    Similar stories are floodining into Barefoot Doctors from Longbeach, Mississippi; Diamondhead, Mississippi; Mobile, Alabama; Cantonment, Florida; Pensacola, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Eustis, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; and of course coastal communities of Louisiana.

    Most of those reporting to Barefoot Doctors have had no involvement with the oil “clean-up” (cover-up) activities. Justifiably concerning is that reports much further inland, in states as far north as Ohio have suddenly experienced illness with symptoms consistent with Gulf Coast reports.

    “We’re doing our best to get it across to people that just because they’re not experiencing symptoms now does not mean that they will not later, and that it’s very important that everyone begins a detox regimen and remain on it for months–indefinitely for those who are remaining in contaminated areas, which, due to the oil/Corexit rain, includes areas throughout the southeast and beyond,” stated DeLabarre of Gulf Coast Barefoot Doctors.

    George McClure in Tennessee told the Examiner this week that many people in his community are suffering the same way.

    “I am a resident of middle TN and I am suffering – and chronicalling – – toxic effects blown in from the BP Gulf event. At this moment I am coughing uncontrollably,” he reported to the Examiner this week.

    “The tree leaves have holes burned right through following rains, and so on. Our damage and symptoms mirror those reported in Memphis TN on tv and media. All symptoms match benzene and corexit poisoning that I researched online.”

    McClure’s detailed documentation of the chemical effects can be viewed online at http://georgemcclure.net.

    Susan Kindler reported from her Destin, Florida home one mile from the beach that her condition worsens each week. What started as burning throat and eyes progressed to body rashes and now Kindler reports internal bleeding – from her head.

    She has no income, no family to help and no gas money to leave. She no longer has a computer so communications are limited. Many people contacting Barefoot Doctors for aid have no electricity in their homes. They could no longer afford it.

    Kindler says that every day, she is extremely afraid because there is no relief and she does not know how long she will survive.

    She told the Examiner, “I wake up with butterflies and I go to sleep with butterflies.”

  189. Hi SueK…

    Question:
    Why would any pharma outfit want to stick an old vaccine in with another;
    do they get more per shot if they have more vaccines in the injection?
    Is the vaccine less effective mixed with more vaccines?? Not that I’m getting one—I have never had a flu shot and never had the flu.

    Is the intent to sterilize the population??? There is no H1N1..so why the vaccine?? This sounds sooo sneaky.

  190. Dean M. | September 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm |
    ———————-
    I have no problem believing that the destruction of Israel is aka o.’s primary goal. Fulfilling that goal must, of necessity, involve the destruction or subjugation or neutralization of America.

  191. JJ | September 27, 2010 at 12:31 am |
    Thank you very much for this report. I remain concerned about the use of Corexit.
    What bothers me the most is that it was used so extensively, just like Agent Orange during the Vietnamese War.

    As a side note and FYI, my cousin John, who is a Vietnam vet (he was a conscript) was not able to father any children after he returned from Vietnam. I have heard all the tales about the problems of those who were affected by the spraying of Agent Orange. I fear that the aerial spraying of Corexit in the GOM will have consequences that are far worse than those from Vietnam.

  192. JJ | September 27, 2010 at 12:38 am

    In Australia we had the two different vaccines – the regular vaccine as well as the H1N1. I did not get the flu shot last year prior to our travel to the USA – we went from winter and into summer. Also, this year I did not have any flu shots. Yes, in the past I have had the flu but relatively few times.

    The H1N1 virus is the same or similar to the Spanish flu which hit just after the end of World War 1. There was a true pandemic and many lost their lives. Last year in Australia a fair number of people died as a result of complications due to H1N1. There was at least one person in my region who died as a result of the flu. This year I have not heard of any deaths from H1N1. It was never as bad as that of the Spanish flu – not anywhere in the world.

  193. !?!! | September 27, 2010 at 1:05 am |
    Dean M. | September 26, 2010 at 6:25 pm |
    ———————-
    I have no problem believing that the destruction of Israel is aka o.’s primary goal. Fulfilling that goal must, of necessity, involve the destruction or subjugation or neutralization of America
    =================================================
    That is an interesting perspective.

    The destruction of Israel and the subjugation of the western world is the aim of the Muslim colonization of all of our countries.

    We are in this together. FYI I have noticed an increase in the burka clad women in my region of Australia. Those women creep me out. I am ok with those who wear the hijab or just scarfs – it is just the ones in burkas that have that effect.

  194. da verg | September 26, 2010 at 10:13 pm |

    Same reasoning for why citizens have inalienable, unimpeachable rights as stated in the Declaration of Independence. Our founders, who won a war over tyranny, established a people-driven government to serve and support the lives, liberties, and productive positive pursuits of the CITIZENS.

    On bloodied battlefields, they wrested our liberty from tyrants who denied the very concept of inalienable rights for citizens. No way they would ever back down from the ground they won and set in stone for posterity — our citizenship birth rights.

    Loyalty to the Constitution does involves neither loyalty to oppressive forms of governance alien to the government established by founding leaders, nor to those officiating that foreign governance.

  195. Aussie | September 27, 2010 at 1:31 am |

    I’m still convinced that, at core, aka o. is jihad Arab. At least, I haven’t come across definitive info that has convinced me otherwise as yet.

  196. !?!! | September 27, 2010 at 1:35 am |
    Aussie | September 27, 2010 at 1:31 am |

    I’m still convinced that, at core, aka o. is jihad Arab. At least, I haven’t come across definitive info that has convinced me otherwise as yet.
    ===================================
    He does not have to be Arab to be a jihadi. Islam is not confined to Arabs. Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Indians, Iraqis, Kurds, Bosnians and Turks are not Arabs. Yet you will find Jihad’s amongst all of these groups.

    This is why it is so stupid to scream racism when anyone says anything against Islam. It is not a race. It is not a religion. It is a theocracy, a system of government. In the olden days it was the Caliphate. They want to re-establish the Caliphate. They want all of us to surrender to them.

    I agree with you that Øbama is a closet Muslim. In fact the more I see what he has been doing, the more convinced I am that he is a Muslim, pretending to be Christian. The evidence is stacking up too.

    Take for instance the fact that a Muslim went to Jeremiah Wright asking if he could become a member of the congregation without being a Christian – and he was told “yes”. Food for thought eh? I am convinced that Jeremiah Wright is not a Christian. What he was preaching was Black liberation theology which has little foundation in the Scriptures. He has been preaching the opposite message to Christianity – at least what I know to be Christianity (by that I mean both Catholic and mainstream Protestant plus those who call themselves Evangelical – they are still Protestants to me).

    Just one more little comment: Arabs can be Christians. There are Arab Christians who first used the name Allah in their Scriptures before it was co-opted by Mo the pedophile. There are Christians living in the Middle East in Arab lands – but they are few because they are pushed out of their lands. What I feel is relevant is the designation of aka Ø being Muslim pretending to be Christian. I honestly believe that he is lying to the American population at large when he pretends that he is a Christian. He is not.

    One only has to look to the Koran to find the answer as to why people who are not Arab end up getting involved in Jihad. It is there in black and white within the Koran itself. Mohammed promoted jihad which means “holy war”.

    The methods today are different from the methods used by Mo the pedophile. When Mo was alive they used the more conventional methods of attack and they were brutal. Today they are equally brutal but they use weapons such as rockets, guns, rocks, and yes even aircraft to achieve their ends. They also use bombs and they are quite adept at finding ways to make bombs.

    Y

  197. !?!! | September 27, 2010 at 1:35 am |
    Aussie | September 27, 2010 at 1:31 am |

    I’m still convinced that, at core, aka o. is jihad Arab. At least, I haven’t come across definitive info that has convinced me otherwise as yet.

    ============================================
    I have a few more random thoughts that might be worth considering. I believe that there is overwhelming evidence that aka Ø is a Muslim. On the other hand there is very little in the way of evidence that indicates that he is Christian.

    The thought that suddenly came to me is based upon his attitude and sense of superiority towards others, including his attitude towards Rahm Emmanuel (a Jew) and Joe Biden (a Catholic). However, what really clinches it for me, is some of his observed behaviours at various times that are the kind of behaviours of Muslims, including things I have observed up front and personal.

    For a short time I worked with an Iranian man who was Muslim, and yes we got on well. In the same workplace was a woman who happened to be a Jew. We became rather close friends. When we moved to a new office area, the man and the woman were placed in desks near each other, and from what I was given to understand he used to constantly hurl insults at her. This was more likely due to what he was taught, as well as a sense of superiority.

    I have observed a large number of women who wear the burka, as well as the hijab. Most of these women tend to be haughty in the way that they treat others. They tend to see themselves as superior to others. However, there have been a few exceptions to that rule. The Muslims who live in my region tend to shy away from the rest of us, and they do not seem to mix all that much – again there are some exceptions.

    Now, I was just reminded of a few peculiar things that aka Ø did in the White House and I think elsewhere, when he has taken a meal by himself. One such occasion was when he walked out of a meeting with Nethanyu (sp) and went to have dinner. The other occasion was in Chicago when he was at a fund-raiser. If he was a Muslim then yes, he would more than likely seek to eat separately from those dirty filthy kaffir, because he has that sense of superiority.

    In other words it is things like seeing him with his nose up in the air and treating people like dirt that seems to show quite strong evidence that he is a Muslim.

    Look at the things that he does not acknowledge: e.g. Christmas which is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ our Saviour – if he was a Jevohah’s Witness I would understand that he would not celebrate Christmas, but to not celebrate Christmas is a very good indication that he is not a Christian.

    He also showed disdain for the Indian Prime Minister, yet another indication that he is Muslim.

    However, there are some other very strong ties to the NOI (Nation of Islam). His neighbour is Louis Farrakhan. He has had visits to the White House from Malik Shabbazz (of the Black Panthers). His education was paid by men associated with Islam. That bow to the king of Saudi Arabia seemed so very odd unless of course he is a Muslim paying court to a Muslim world leader.

    All of the little pieces of the puzzle when the fit together seem to scream “MUSLIM”.

    Anyway, I feel a lot of concern for the American people because of the way he behaves.

  198. Thanks for reporting the Truth about the bo Corexit Poisoning, JJ:

    JJ | September 27, 2010 at 12:31 am |
    Humanitarian aid delays for American victims of the US military Gulf oil and chemical dispersant attacks is a matter of life and death. WWL TV reports on one family of many submitting aid requests for Toxic Survival Kits, insurance and relocation assistance. Aid available is not meeting the needs but with more reports like WWL’s, those suffering have a better chance of survival.

    Without media exposure to Gulf truth, the nation’s people of goodwill remain unaware of the crime against humanity being committed in the United States against innocent Americans. If every local station did what WWl TV has done in this report, people suffering would have better opportunities to survive this crime against humanity.

    Bill Capo of WWL News based in Greater New Orleans reports on the tragic story of the Fabacher family, a story all too familiar to front-line workers at Ground Zero along the Gulf and now, increasingly to non-Gulf Coast state residents reporting widespread chemical poisoning symptoms. (See the Youtube video report below at the bottom of this page.)

    “I’m fixing to lose my house, I’m fixing to lose my cars. I’m fixing to lose everything,” said a tearful Kathleen Fabacher whose husband went blind seven years ago.

    The Fabachers ran Lafourche Seafood in Galliano, Louisiana where the sign now “leans crookedly against a storage trailer, since the company shut down in May” and the owners helplessly watch their income disappear according to Capo.

    A family reported last week that their friends from the north traveled down to New Orleans after learning that the entire family was ill:

    “We had to move from Kenner, Louisiana because everyone in my family came down with headaches, nausea, and vomiting. But when two of us started having blood in our urine and feces, I did my research and this is case book symptoms of Corexit use,” reported the mother in the home.

    Her brother had blood in his urine and feces, then so did she, and began vomiting, had rashes. That is when her friend came and got the three of them and told them they had to leave according to Barefooot Doctors.

    “My brother was in hospice and I knew I had to get him away. We left everything.”

    The family is now living in a travel trailer and broke.

    Similar stories are floodining into Barefoot Doctors from Longbeach, Mississippi; Diamondhead, Mississippi; Mobile, Alabama; Cantonment, Florida; Pensacola, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Eustis, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; and of course coastal communities of Louisiana.

    Most of those reporting to Barefoot Doctors have had no involvement with the oil “clean-up” (cover-up) activities. Justifiably concerning is that reports much further inland, in states as far north as Ohio have suddenly experienced illness with symptoms consistent with Gulf Coast reports.

    “We’re doing our best to get it across to people that just because they’re not experiencing symptoms now does not mean that they will not later, and that it’s very important that everyone begins a detox regimen and remain on it for months–indefinitely for those who are remaining in contaminated areas, which, due to the oil/Corexit rain, includes areas throughout the southeast and beyond,” stated DeLabarre of Gulf Coast Barefoot Doctors.

    George McClure in Tennessee told the Examiner this week that many people in his community are suffering the same way.

    “I am a resident of middle TN and I am suffering – and chronicalling – – toxic effects blown in from the BP Gulf event. At this moment I am coughing uncontrollably,” he reported to the Examiner this week.

    “The tree leaves have holes burned right through following rains, and so on. Our damage and symptoms mirror those reported in Memphis TN on tv and media. All symptoms match benzene and corexit poisoning that I researched online.”

    McClure’s detailed documentation of the chemical effects can be viewed online at http://georgemcclure.net.

    Susan Kindler reported from her Destin, Florida home one mile from the beach that her condition worsens each week. What started as burning throat and eyes progressed to body rashes and now Kindler reports internal bleeding – from her head.

    She has no income, no family to help and no gas money to leave. She no longer has a computer so communications are limited. Many people contacting Barefoot Doctors for aid have no electricity in their homes. They could no longer afford it.

    Kindler says that every day, she is extremely afraid because there is no relief and she does not know how long she will survive.

  199. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 26, 2010 at 7:48 pm |
    Free Speech in Jail?

    I do not have the specific comment handy, but FS is partially correct.. The fact is that …I simply reminded him that there were laws against some of the things he was saying.

    As I recall, I further wondered if he liked jail so much that he was begging to go back. I then speculated that maybe rather than any righteous reason that we have been led to believe – that somehow it was simply his mouth that landed him in jail.
    ==============================================
    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm |

    They did the same thing over at the Right Side Of Life site. 3 or 4 posters took up most of the time, to the point where you couldn’t discuss anything without them posting a long message espousing misinformation.
    You can argue with them all day long but their disregard for the truth makes it a waste of time.
    ==============================================
    indymac | September 26, 2010 at 5:36 pm |
    …That’s what Democrats do. They blame their opponent for what they themselves do. Isn’t that in Alinsky’s playbook? I’m beginning to agree with FS that you’re just an obot in disguise.
    ==============================================
    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm |

    Nice how the truth comes out eventually, and then the name calling begins, they accuse us of doing what they are doing. Name calling, ankle biting, b-tch slapping, kicking, and gouging. Did I forget any?
    =================================================
    Typical alinsky/tacqiya/lying tactic by obot-carlyle, accusing Patriots here on CW of the uncivilized tactics that obot-carlyle and the other obots use.
    ====================================================

    Free Speech | September 26, 2010 at 6:57 pm |
    Notice now that obot-carlyle is in moderation, sunstein sends in the B-string obots, but they are easily recognized by the fact that they immediately start defending obot-carlyle rather than engaging in intelligent discussions or they start posting long NONSENSE posts about bo being a CIA agent & Malcolm X being bo’s daddy. Best thing to do is just ignore these B-string obots.
    ====================================
    bob strauss | September 26, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
    Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 26, 2010 at 8:04 pm |
    In any case, there seems to be too much raw animal behavior on this blog – kicking, gouging, b-tch slapping, ankle biting, etc. – and not nearly enough civilized human behavior.
    **********************************************************
    That’s your opinion, my opinion is, the people on this site are true patriots, who love their government when it is operated according to the US Constitution.
    ==================================
    Jonah | September 26, 2010 at 7:20 pm |
    Does anyone see what happened here?
    The obot’s goal is to antagonize sincere commentors in attempt to detract from the topic. They’ve attempted to steer conversation away from the original discussion and they have succeeded.
    ===============================================
    Bill G | September 26, 2010 at 11:14 pm |
    What a disappointment this blog has become. The obots are winning this skirmish, but will lose the battle.
    ===============================================
    obot-carlyle spent most of yesterday in moderation and the discussion was good for the most part until CW let obot-carlyle back in. Hopefully, obot-carlyle will be in moderation again today.

  200. Aussie | September 27, 2010 at 6:56 am |

    Very impressive evidence that he is a muslim
    Very slim evidence that he is a Christian

    I agree with you. The evidence is more in what he does and doesn’t do than in what he says.

    Yeah, easy to pick up that whole “infidel” vibe in islam. Conversely, humility is stronly encouraged in the Christian world.
    aka o.’s haughtiness does not go over well here. Hopefully, that trait will be a major factor in his downfall.

    As they say, “Pride goes before a fall.”

    I appreciate your concern for all here. This time in our history seems to be a “make or break” deal for our country.

    I’m back in moderation, so hope you see this post.
    C.W. sprung me once. I know C.W. will spring me again. That guy has integrity.

  201. JJ | September 27, 2010 at 12:31 am |

    How appallingly WICKED!!

    Thank goodness for that media station.

  202. Aussie | September 27, 2010 at 6:34 am |

    Good point about the jihadists. At one time I was wondering if aka o. were from Iranian stock. I think– definitely Middle Eastern, not African American.

    I have been thinking that aka o. is running his government like a caliphate. He uses communist/marxist jargon, but the way he operates is pure islamic despot, imo.

    He treats each individual as if he owns him or her. He attempts to bind everyone to himself, setting personal loyalty to himself above everything else. Look how he’s trying to do that with the military by having them make an unconstitutional oath to him.
    Our founders would start another revolution over that tyrannical act.

    He knows no law; his word, will, and wishes are the law. What he personally wants is of higher value than any other consideration. personally.

    He attempts to take away citizens’ unimpeachable rights and then return them as favors to whomever HE wills.

    All very Arabic, or islamic, imo.

    When I first read Mo in your post, I thought you were referring to MO, that “nice Christian(???) girl” aka o married. lol

    So weird. I never thought I’d be living under a muslim dictator.

    All of your observations are astute, imo.

    Still hanging out here in moderationville.
    Ciao!

  203. Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)'s avatar Citizen Carlyle (FUBO)

    !!?! | September 28, 2010 at 2:10 am |

    ============================

    The ONLY thing that puts you in moderation is use of certain words. Try to deduce what word it was – by trial and error if necessary. Sometimes it is obvious hate words or very foul language, even if in jest. Sometimes is is strange things – for instance the animal MINKEY will get you put in moderation if you use O instead of I. Try it and see.

    And, contrary to FS’s twisted beliefs, I am never in moderation. I may be busy for hours at a time, but that is MY choice and issue, not due to moderation.

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