Denise R. Lind, Lakin judge, Court Martial hearing, Judge Lind is wrong
Reported here yesterday September 2, 2010 from a World Net Daily article.
“A career officer in the U.S. Army acting as a judge in the court-martial process for Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin today ruled that the military is no place for Barak Obama’s eligibility to be president to be evaluated.
Army Col. Denise R. Lind today ruled in a hearing regarding the evidence that will be allowed in the scheduled October court-martial for Lakin that he will be denied access to any of Obama’s records as well as any testimony from those who may have access to those records.
With her decision, Lind plunged into lockstep with a number of federal judges who have ruled on civil lawsuits over Obama’s eligibility. They have without exception denied the plaintiffs’ any access to any requested documentation regarding the president’s eligibility.
Lind ruled that it was “not relevant” for the military to be considering such claims, that the laws allegedly violated by Lakin were legitimate on their face and that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.
Paul Rolf Jensen, Lakin’s civilian attorney, said the case would continue. But he said the courts now have denied his client the opportunity to present his defense.
Jensen had argued that under U.S.C. Rule 46, a defendant being put on court martial has the right to call any and all witnesses and obtain any evidence in his or her defense.
Lind, who took 40 minutes to read her decision to the courtroom, disagreed.
She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president and anyway, it should be Congress that would call for impeachment of a sitting president.”
I stated the following and I stand by that now.
“It is apparent that Judge Lind does not know her ass from a hole in the ground. First of all, impeachment is not necessary or appropriate for removing a usurper, an illegal occupant of the White House.
Judge Lind’s first duty is to uphold and defend the US Constitution. Secondary to that is her duty as a judge to the defendant, the court and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
In regard to her statement about embarassment of Obama. First of all, Obama is not POTUS. Secondly, this situation of a usurper occupying the White House is already an embarassment to the nation.”
Judge Lind and all of the superior officers up the chain of command above Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, up to, and including, Barack Obama, who is masquerading as Commmander in Chief, are full of crap and most likely guilty of treason. I am calling for the removal of Judge Lind with a replacement more familiar and adherent to the US Constitution and military rules and protocol.
I have previously done much reading on the topics of chain of command and the duty of officers to obey and disobey orders. More to follow.
Citizen WElls 
“… impeachment is not necessary or appropriate for removing a usurper, an illegal occupant of the White House.”
Correct. So what is the correct method of removal of a usurper when the fed courts, military courts and congress refuse to abide by our Constitution. The only method left to We the People is our County Grand Jury process.
Dr. Sam Sewell: “I think CGJ is the quickest, most effective, and most practical way to clean up government corruption. I have yet to see a viable argument against that premise.”
Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people
Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1U4AkF6tY&feature=player_embedded
Good morning CW and all readers.
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As I said in the previous thread, Lakin’s defense team should use the evidence already in the public domain. Obama admitted his father was Kenyan and a British citizen which made him a British citizen at birth. He does not need any other evidentiary documents other that the Constitution and existing case law. Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC.
Alex Jones is correct about what needs to be done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNW0lkjTxAQ&feature=player_embedded
Army DAV,
I agree with your last comment on the previous thread. But I cannot help to wonder, by what judicial authority does a judge have, to “predict” a verdict without having a trial or merits yet to be introduced?
What is even more disturbing, is that the U.S. allows “Terrorists” in Gitmo the right to use U.S.C. 46 (and they do) in their defense, but deny that same basic right to an American Military Officer?
Judicial discrimination, at the least……
Just rambling,
“IF” everything contained in Obama’s documents is exactly as he publically declairs it, and the Media repeats it, then what in the world could he be possibly “Embarrased” by?
Even Chris Matthews should ask that simple question.
of course it would be embarrassment
to the usurper
because he knows he doesn’t have
so they use his own words against him
call the reporter as witness who got the afadavit from obama’s grand mother in Kenya as a witness
and call the dick cheney as a witness to testify that he didn’t ask for objections in CONGRESS as req’d by law
and ask for this grandmother to come as witness from Kenya
these are NOT records, these are actual people
the judge is obviously making things up
and has no rule of law to back her up, she’s a complete lib idiot
furthermore the constitution says congress must impeach a sitting president, but can’t impeach a usurper because a usurper is NOT president !!
Philo-Publius | September 3, 2010 at 8:46 am |
How can Col Lakin’s lawyers ” Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC?”
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 8:51 am |
What is even more disturbing, is that the U.S. allows “Terrorists” in Gitmo the right to use U.S.C. 46 (and they do) in their defense, but deny that same basic right to an American Military Officer?
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judges who have participated in bo’s criminal conspiracy are as guilty as bo is.
My understanding is that Lakin’s case centers around his orders coming down from the CIC. He is asking for verification the orders are legit, no?
1. Laking presents the image of Lucas Smith’s online Kenyan BC.
2. Judge states that it is not permissable as evidence because it is just a jpeg…
3. Laking presents the jpeg BC obama has provided. Same problem as the Smith BC.
4. Case closed. Lakin has given reason for questioning his orders.
The only option available to Col Lakin presently is to file an interlocutory appeal. judge lind’s ruling made it clear that Lakin will not get a fair trial.
Free Speech,
Had to look up interlocutory appeal. An appeal before the trial itself. So where does he appeal the case to – Supreme Court?
If this ruling stands, we owe those convicted in the Nuremburg trials an appology and reparations. Their arguements were that they had no choice but to “obey orders” from their superiors. Their arguements were rejected upon the grounds that there is a “Higher Power” above all governments that they should have resorted to. This judge is applying the nazi defense arguement here.
This poor man is going to get locked up for a long time.
Hopefully Sarah Palin will be elected in 2 years and pardon him.
Prairie @ 9:12 a.m.,
I’ll add to your case,
Lucas’ BC has been entered into federal court “Under Penalty Of Perjury”,
The Online COLB has not.
Same result.
Free Speech at 9:01 am |
Philo-Publius | September 3, 2010 at 8:46 am |
How can Col Lakin’s lawyers ” Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC?”
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What is already a known fact (his British citizenship) is is prima facie evidence of dual citizenship and one born under those circumstances owes a double allegiance which makes him ineligible.
The State Department even says: “…dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries…”
In 1916, former Supreme Court Justice Charles Evans Hughes’s eligibility for the presidency against Woodrow Wilson was questioned because his father was a British citizen. Breckenridge Long, an attorney who later served as Secretary of State as well as U.S. ambassador to Italy under FDR, examined the issue in an article entitled “Is Mr. Charles Evans Hughes a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ within the Meaning of the Constitution?” Published in the “Chicago Legal News,” Vol. 146, p. 220. Long said “…in the case of Mr. Hughes the father was not naturalized at the time the son was born and was at that time a subject of England. How could the son be a “natural born” citizen of the United States?…There can hardly be…any dispute that Mr. Hughes was at the time of his birth an English subject. If he was at that time an English subject, he became a citizen of the United States by a process of naturalization, and is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States.”
Long addressed the matter of dual citizenship and said “It must be admitted that a man born on this soil, of alien parents, enjoys a dual nationality and owes a double allegiance. A child born under these conditions has a right to elect what nationality he will enjoy and to which of the two conflicting claims of governmental allegiance he will pay obedience. Now if, by any possible construction, a person at the instant of birth, and for any period of time thereafter, owes, or may owe, allegiance to any sovereign but the United States, he is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States…The doctrine of dual citizenship and of double allegiance are too well known and too well founded in international law to be doubted or disputed.”
Dual citizenship and NBC are intertwined when explaining it so the judge would have to address the definition of NBC in regards to that as it is a legal question and not a political one. If not, then the judge is essentially saying “You cannot present any defense.“
Prairie,
You are correct.
When Obama signed the Order to deploy 30,000 more troops to Afganistan, that included LTC Lakin. That is when he refused the order.
That is why it is Assonine for the Judge to say the orders come from the “pentagon” down. That is BS.
If so, then I want to know why in the hell we have a CinC, if all orders come from the Pentagon?
Did she fail basic civics in junior high school?
She also should get in touch with those that write basic civics and history books and demand the change the military chain of command.
What a stupid comment by the judge.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 9:27 am |
Free Speech,
Had to look up interlocutory appeal. An appeal before the trial itself. So where does he appeal the case to – Supreme Court?
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I would have to defer to a JAG lawyer about the procedure under UCMJ, but an interlocutory appeal is the only option to prevent an almost certain conviction in light of lind’s ruling.
It is apparent that the Lakin trial is a setup to discourage other Soldiers from contesting bo’s illegal orders.
But,
It was the only way she could get LTC Lakin off Obama, by claiming the Pentagon did it, therefore address the issue from the pentagon down in the chain of command.
In my opinion.
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Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 9:12 am |
That would be a fine defense in any US court or military court , but not in a kangaroo court the only system available in the US at present time . As long as the America is under foreign influence and occupation they will simply make up the laws as they go along RE: Banana Republic .
I no longer support the current Military or any of it’s wars , I only support the Constitution .
Frank,
Excellent point. May I repeat it?
All judges are afraid to touch this issue of Obama’s eligibility. The case of Obama’s eligibility was always destined to end up in SCOTUS, it has been there several times already.
Whether by actions of the SCOTUS clerks or by choice SCOTUS has failed to act. We can only hope that SCOTUS will come to the rescue of Lt Col Lakin and everyone victimized by this fraud.
Philo-Publius | September 3, 2010 at 8:46 am |
How can Col Lakin’s lawyers ” Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC?”
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I am well aware of all that U posted but U did not answer my question.
How can Col Lakin’s lawyers ” Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC?”
I gather that you do not know How Col Lakin’s lawyers can ” Force the judge to rule on the definition of NBC?”
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There are so many tangents associated with oboner that it makes one’s mind spin. It has been o’s approach to overwhelm us with the chaos. The KISS principle must apply to one’s attack of the eligibility issue. Legitemate orders. Asking the courts to define NBC and all of that allows o’s lawyers to twist the chit out of things. I agree with others here that the evidence to support Lakin’s challenge exists in the public realm. He doesn’t need to prove o is a citizen. He needs to demonstrate valid reasons, for questioning and defying his orders.
Apparently the judge is trying to save congress’ a$$. Could she be giving Lakin his reason for appeal or signalling to go forward he should use what is public? We have already discussed at length the fear they must hold of the entire bunch of them being charged with treason. Is congress going to try to say… “we were fooled too.” Do we expect anything else from congress when chit hits the fan?
LTC Lakin must use Obama’s own words as evidence against him as written on his own website, Fight The Smears. He admits he was born a dual citizen with allegiance to Great Britain under the British Nationality Act of 1948.
Also, his lawyer should get in touch with Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon for some advice on this.
And we all must PRAY for LTC Lakin.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 10:11 am |
Apparently the judge is trying to save congress’ a$$. Could she be giving Lakin his reason for appeal or signalling to go forward he should use what is public?
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I just do not see how lind’s ruling against Col Lakin can be seen as anything but an almost certain conviction in lind’s court.
Why would the supreme court rule against BHO on the eligibility issue when they swore him in with the full knowledge he was not eligible. Why would they reverse course, especially with Kagan on the bench. She has been directly involved in keeping the eligibility issue out of the courts.
Free Speech at 10:07 am |
I am well aware of all that U posted but U did not answer my question.
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FS, I realize the term Force is not legal procedure so perhaps I should have not used it in that context. The point was the defense team has other options to pursue like introducing the dual citizenship argument even if denied witnesses and documents as evidence. Its always possible for a defense attorney to present his arguments in such a manner the judge would have to address them.
Free Speach,
Could a judge be that stupid as to make the case for “embarrassment” as a reasonable defense. And being that incorrect regarding the chain of command. Isn’t it possible that amount of stupidity was intentional? Surely, if she wanted to end the Lakin case, she could have chosen her words and arguement better.
jan | September 3, 2010 at 10:16 am |
LTC Lakin must use Obama’s own words as evidence against him as written on his own website, Fight The Smears. He admits he was born a dual citizen with allegiance to Great Britain under the British Nationality Act of 1948.
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jan, good point. Obama by his own admission does not qualify as NBC.
Judge Lind seems to have pre-determined that Lt. Col Lakin’s movement order was a lawful order from the Pentagon. She seems to distinguish this from a case where a soldier refuses to follow an order that is illegal, for example, an order to shoot a combatant who has surrendered. She seems to have predetermined, that even if the President is an illegal usurper, that it is for Congress and POTUS to address the matter and not a military court. She would rule against Lakin even if the President is illegally in the position, holding that the movement order itself was not an illegal order under the Constitution, even if the Chain of Command that led to the order was improperly constructed.
Now don’t go crazy on me, I do not agree with her, I am just trying to understand her strategy to extract herself from this sticky wicket.
Let’s face it the rinos were as guilty as the demRats in the usurpation by bo. rinos are motivated by the sheer political motivation of taking over congress in 2010. In short, the rinos in congress don’t want bo removed because bo is destroying the demRat party.
REASONS FOR IMPEACHMENT(although one can’t be impeached when one doesn’t legally hold the position)
High Crimes and Misdemeanors:
–he is slowly erecting a dictatorship
–he is undermining our constitutional system of checks and balances
–he is subverting democratic procedures and the rule of law
–he is presiding over a corrupt, gangster regime
–he is assaulting the very pillars of traditional capitalism
–his healthcare bill was rammed through CONgress using bribery and political intimidation
–his healthcare bill is an unprecedented unconstitutional expansion of power as the federal government does not have the right to coerce every citizen to purchase a good or service
–Pro-lifers are now compelled to have their tax dollars used to subsidize insurance plans that allow for the murder of unborn children
–he has bullied BP into setting up a $20 billion compensation fund administered by an Obama appointee; we know how that will go(just ask the Republican Chrysler dealers)
–he has created a command-and-control health care system.
–he has essentially nationalized the big banks, the financial sector, the automakers and the student loan industry.
–he wants to pass “cap-and-trade,” which would bring industry and manufacturing under the heel of big government.(think that’s out!)
–he wants to grant amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens to forge a permanent Democratic electoral majority.
–he is siding with criminals against his fellow Americans with his Justice Department suing Arizona for its immigration law
In the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961(making the case for ineligibility stronger).
In a number of court cases challenging Obama’s eligibility, dual citizenship has been raised as a factor that could compromise his “natural born” status under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. The cases argue dual citizenship would make Obama ineligible even if documentary evidence were shown the public, such as the hospital-issued long-form birth certificate that indicates the place of his birth and the name of the attending physician.
Before you ask, source for above:
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/obama_government/news.php?q=1282760827
Try this in court…
Ah, yes judge my hubby and I had a big fight. Yes, he has gone missing. Ah, yep, there is a stench coming from my trunk. Open the trunk? Nah, that would be embarrassing.
IMO, Lakin only has to prove that something reeks. But yes, he must do this in a kangaroo court. May God’s hand guide him as to the course he takes.
Other legal cases before the judiciary from Orly Taitz
Currently I have 4 cases, that hopefully will bring results.
1. I am waiting for the decision by judge Lamberth regarding my 60 B motion for reconsideration of Taitz v Obama
2. I am waiting for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco in regards to my appeal on behalf of ambassador Keyes, 10 state Representatives and 30 members of the military (Barnett, Keyes et al v Obama et al)
3. Supreme Court gave me additional 60 days to resubmit my Petition for Writ of Certiorary. The new due date is October 25. My understanding is, that the Supreme Court will review it after the election. If Republicans take the Congress, there is a higher probability, that the Supreme Court will remand the case to the District Court for a sanctions hearing and a limited discovery to prove that Obama was indeed illegitimate, my case was not frivolous and the sanctions not warranted. (in relation to Cook v Good and Rhodes v MacDonald)
da verg | September 3, 2010 at 8:58 am |
“furthermore the constitution says congress must impeach a sitting president, but can’t impeach a usurper because a usurper is NOT president !!”
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frank | September 3, 2010 at 9:30 am |
If this ruling stands, our next group of signs along the highways:
“AHMADINEJAD FOR PRESIDENT”
In the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961(making the case for ineligibility stronger).
Does Lakin get a jury?
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 8:56 am |
None of the information on those documents has been declared by the fraud…he has NEVER stated publicly which hospital he was born in, among other things.
As many journalists across our nation write day after day: WHO IS THIS PERSON??
Can Lakin call o to take the stand?
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 9:12 am |
You need to be a lawyer.
Philo-Publius | September 3, 2010 at 10:24 am |
FS, I realize the term Force is not legal procedure so perhaps I should have not used it in that context. The point was the defense team has other options to pursue like introducing the dual citizenship argument even if denied witnesses and documents as evidence. Its always possible for a defense attorney to present his arguments in such a manner the judge would have to address them.
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While I appreciate your optimism and I am generally optimistic, I expect that lind will forbid under the threat of contempt of court the defense to even mention the NBC issue at trial.
That is why it is Assonine for the Judge to say the orders come from the “pentagon” down. That is BS.
Sir William, is this a case of protecting future lawsuits of those killed by soldiers’ commands from an ineligible CIC??
That would be a major number and a horrific event.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 10:48 am |
Does Lakin get a jury?
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A panel of officers and enlisted persons sit in judgment . I suppose in this case you could consider that a stacked jury .
JJ,
I disagree,
When a person writes a book, for the public, then that is a public statement. In his book, he in fact declairs his birth place in Hawaii, and the hospital.
JJ,
Potecting future lawsuits… Wanna be my law partner?
Bob Strauss says:
Whether by actions of the SCOTUS clerks or by choice SCOTUS has failed to act. We can only hope that SCOTUS will come to the rescue of Lt Col Lakin and everyone victimized by this fraud.
Does anyone remember this???
API claims that Michelle Obama stated to them the following:
“… it is strange that API has chosen to support the racists against my husband. There is no shame in being adopted by a stepfather. All dirt has been thrown onto my husband’s face and yet he loves this country. MY HUSBAND AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO LAW THAT WILL STOP HIM FROM BECOMING THE PRESIDENT, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by his stepfather. The important thing here is where my husband’s heart is at the moment. I can tell the American people that my husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner…”[
What she meant to say is :
My husband and I know that there is no LAWSUIT that will stop him from becoming the president.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 10:24 am |
Free Speach,
Could a judge be that stupid as to make the case for “embarrassment” as a reasonable defense. And being that incorrect regarding the chain of command. Isn’t it possible that amount of stupidity was intentional?
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lind did carefully consider her ruling to send a clear message that Lakin will not be allowed to even raise the NBC in his defense and signal to all active Military that bo’s ineligibility is not going to be allowed as a basis for refusing to obey orders from the chain of command.
9/3 FWD to LtC Lakin !
Defense Found – Jaghunter !
We The Freedomfighters !!!
Sergeant of Marines Timothy Joseph Harrington:
“Constitutional jurisprudence” as compared to “military jurisprudence”
Daniel J. Driscoll opines regarding the question on lawful orders: “In my view our constitutional jurisprudence allows Congress alone, and not a military judicial body, to put the president’s credentials on trial.”
Next Friday (11 June), Driscoll sits as the probable cause hearing officer in the process leading to Terrence Lakin’s general court-martial.
(J.B. Williams “A Right to Lawful Command” here)
Driscoll is wrong. Let’s examine why.
Lakin is subject to U.S military jurisdiction as he faces possible punishment under America’s military discipline system. Nothing about the military’s discipline system is “constitutional.”
Lakin is being held to account under a “military code of greater age and dignity and of a more elevated tone than any existing American civil code, as also a military procedure, which, by its freedom from the technical forms and obstructive habits that embarrass and delay the operations of the civil courts, is enabled to result in a summary and efficient administration of justice well worthy of respect and imitation.” (Winthrop’s preface)
“Congress did not originally create the court-martial…but continued it in existence as previously established [during the Revolutionary War]. [The court-martial] is perceived to be in fact older than the Constitution, and therefore older than any court of the United States instituted or authorized by [the United States Constitution]. (Winthrop, p. 48)
Military disciplinarians have embraced this martial law ever since as a supreme form of government transcending even the Constitution (the existing American civil code Winthrop obliquely describes as an embarrassing cause for delay in civilian criminal trials).
Service under this “dignified and elevated code of military jurisprudence” (as opposed to that pesky and newer constitutional jurisprudence), burdens every officer with duties to:
Know with certainty that their superior authorities lawfully hold office, and
Disobey orders known to be unlawful.
An “order” is an Executive mandate. (Winthrop, p. 576)
“…All military authority and discipline are derived from one source—the Sovereign, so in our army every superior, in giving a lawful command, acts for and represents the President as the Commander-in-chief and Executive power of the Nation, and the source from which [the senior officers’] appointment and authority proceed. Hence the dignity and significance of a formal military order and hence the gravity of the obligation which it imposes upon the inferior to whom it is addressed.” (Winthrop on page 572)
“Military officers are bound to obey all legal orders of their commander but not his illegal orders.” (Winthrop, p. 571)
“Obedience to orders is the vital principle to the military life—the fundamental rule, in peace and war, for all inferiors…
Obedience to command is the chief military virtue, in relation to which all others are secondary and subordinate…
Obedience is for the soldier the first great bond or charter of his service…
The first and last virtue of a soldier…
The first, second, and third part of a soldier is obedience…
The first duty of a soldier is obedience, and without this there can be neither discipline nor efficiency in the army…
To ensure efficiency an army must be, to a certain extent, a despotism. Each officer is invested with an arbitrary power over those beneath him, and the soldier who enlists in the army waives, in some particulars, his rights as a civilian, surrendering his personal liberty during the term of his enlistment, and consents to come and go at the will of his superior officers. The soldier agrees to become amenable to the military courts, to be disciplined for offences unknown to the civil law, to relinquish his right of trial by jury, and to receive punishment which, to the civilians, seem out of all proportion to the magnitude of the offense…
No other obligation must be put in competition with obedience to orders; neither parental authority, nor religious scruples, nor personal safety, nor pecuniary advantages from other services. All the duties of his life (the soldier’s) are according to the theory of military obedience, absorbed in that one duty of obeying the command of the officer set over him…” (Winthrop and others p. 571).
The “superior officer” must be one authorized to give the order; else indeed his command would not be a lawful one. (Winthrop, p. 577)
An illegal order emanating from the president can confer no authority. A command not lawful may be disobeyed, no matter from what source it proceeds. (Winthrop, p. 575) And with that “there is nothing better settled, as well by the civil and military laws, that neither officers nor soldiers are bound to obey any illegal order of their superior officers, but on the contrary it is their bounden duty to disobey them”…no illegal act can be justified, no matter how high the source from which it emanates, by an order from a superior authority. The soldier is still a citizen, and as such is always amenable to the civil authority. (Winthrop with others, p. 575)
No person in Congress relieves an officer of the duty under the American War Articles (or the Uniform Code of Military Justice) to disobey an unlawful order.
The Courts-martial is indeed a creature of orders! (Winthrop, p. 49)
“Not belonging to the judicial branch of the Government, it follows that courts-martial must pertain to the executive department; and they are in fact simply instrumentalities of the executive power, provided by Congress for the President as Commander-in-chief, to aid him in properly commanding the army and navy and enforcing discipline therein, and utilized under his orders or those of his authorized military representatives.
“Thus indeed, strictly, a court-martial is not a court in the full sense of the term, or as the same is understood in the civil phraseology.
“The court-martial is indeed a creature of orders…” (Winthrop, p. 49)
The First Duty: Reconcile the Treason!
Lakin’s convening authority with Driscoll (Lakin’s disciplinary hearing officer)—as their First Duty—must confirm Obama’s legitimacy to hold office and issue orders. They must confirm Obama’s legitimacy/eligibility before Terry Lakin ever walks into the hearing room. Normally the general presumption of law is in favor of the Executive authority of military orders (Executive mandates) emanating from official superiors. (Winthrop, p. 575)
That presumption is shattered by Obama’s public confession in commission of Treason, an act risen up in criminal accusation from the U.S. military ranks in March 2009.
Lakin’s Defense.
The unlawfulness of Obama’s command must be a fact!
The onus of establishing this fact—except where the order is palpably illegal upon its face—devolves upon the defense, and clear and convincing evidence will be required to rebut the presumption that Obama is legit! (Winthrop, pgs. 575-576). No one in Congress is responsible or accountable to defend Colonel Lakin. To constitute the specific offense of disobedience of orders the “superior officer” must of course be known to be such by the accused, at the time of his giving the order which is not obeyed.
Obama’s background is an open secret. Not a single person wearing the uniform of the U.S. military possesses specific knowledge that Obama lawfully holds office of President as Commander-in-Chief.
At the same time, every U.S. officer is required to know as a matter of duty whether the Commander-in-chief legitimately holds office. This to include Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel J. Driscoll (Lt.Col. Lakin’s Article 32 hearing officer).
Simply said, no order issued by any officer in the American military establishment is a lawful order since 20 January 2009.
Source note: Military Law and Precedents: A Martial Law Classic
“Written by William Winthrop (1831 – 1899), Colonel, United States Army, this second edition (1895) is the revision and enlargement of the work. This comprehensive treatise details early military law [and martial law], written and unwritten, and explains the intricacies of the courts martial process. It remains the most important historical reference source for military justice practitioners. It is still frequently cited by military appellate courts. It has been called ‘a masterpiece of painstaking scholarship, brilliant erudition, and lucid prose.” Colonel Winthrop formally held the position of Judge Advocate General, U.S. Army
Free Speech,
But why is this about proving NBC? I believe it is about the legitamacy of his orders and Lakin’s thought process in questioning them? He is defending himself not charging o with being an usurper as we are. Can he call o? Does he get a jury?
bob strauss | September 3, 2010 at 10:05 am |
All judges are afraid to touch this issue of Obama’s eligibility. The case of Obama’s eligibility was always destined to end up in SCOTUS…
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SCOTUS is where the consolidated cases against bo must be decided.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/07/taking-aka-obama-directly-before-scotus.html
Surely Lankin is justified in reasonable doubt and should be found innocent.
New evidence undermines feds’ case against Arizona
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
September 2, 2010
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/New-evidence-undermines-feds_-case-against-Arizona-705578-102106209.html#ixzz0yTqcrh5x
You’ve heard a lot about the Justice Department’s lawsuit to stop the new Arizona immigration law. But that’s just one part of the Obama administration’s multi-front war on immigration enforcement in Arizona. (Snip) But now we learn that just six months before that, in September 2008, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE, did its own investigation of Arpaio’s office — and gave it a clean bill of health. Arpaio’s lawyers recently got a copy of the ICE report through the Freedom of Information Act.
Here would be a lawsuit for ya… how about I buy a gallon of milk, paying the taxes, and then make a citizen’s arrest of myself for aiding and abbetting the enemy?
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 10:39 am | Try this in court…
Ah, yes judge my hubby and I had a big fight. Yes, he has gone missing. Ah, yep, there is a stench coming from my trunk. Open the trunk? Nah, that would be embarrassing.
IMO, Lakin only has to prove that something reeks. But yes, he must do this in a kangaroo court. May God’s hand guide him as to the course he takes.
Keep it coming…
Mrs. XXX, were you aware that your husband, the father of little XXXX, was molesting her?
Yes, your honor.
Why did you not report this abuse, Mrs. XXX??
Why, your honor, that would be embarrassing.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 11:15 am |
Free Speech,
But why is this about proving NBC?
IT’S NOT, LIND IS NOT ALLOWING PROOF OF bo ELIGIBILITY.
I believe it is about the legitamacy of his orders and Lakin’s thought process in questioning them?
THAT IS WHAT HE HAS ENDEAVORED TO DO BUT LIND IS NOT ALLOWING LAKIN TO QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF bo’s ORDERS.
He is defending himself not charging o with being an usurper as we are. Can he call o?
LIND WILL NOT ALLOW LAKIN TO ”CALL” bo.
Does he get a jury?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/aacmartial1.htm
Detailing the Court-Martial Panel. For special and general courts-martial, the convening order will also designate the members of the court-martial panel (the military equivalent of the jury). Although the ultimate membership of the panel is determined, as in the civilian system, through voir dire, the CA initially details the panel members to the court-martial. As required by Congress in Article 25, UCMJ, the CA must choose members who are best qualified to serve based on their age, education, training, experience, length of service, and judicial temperament. However, it is the accused’s choice whether he or she will be tried by a panel of officers, a combined panel of officers and enlisted members, or by the military judge sitting alone.
The Court Martial has already ruled , guilty as charged , next court appearance will be on sentencing . case closed .
Next all the Propaganda outlets blast out the news of this ruling in 24 hour non stop coverage . Court rules that Seotoro is in fact a legitimate president , NBC and a good Christian man .
Next , what will the appeal look like,if there is one ? . more of the same , next LTC Lakin goes to jail , as a political prisoner .
Literally, LTC Lakin was our ” Army of One ” now we have none.
Yes, your honor, I have been drinking like a drunken sailor and driving the wrong direction down this one way. Yep, I did take out that parked car and injured a pedestrian. Breathalizer results? … nah that would be embarrassing.
Prairie….this nation is about to leave the ‘insanity’ plea for every thing from theft to murder for the ’embarrassing’ plea—LORD HELP US!!!
But, your honor, it would have been ’embarrassing’ for my client to go to school in that ole junker, so to aleviate the problem, he stole the Lexus.
I have been listening to G. Gordon Liddy for over an hour and a half and he has not even mentioned the Lakin case.
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 11:02 am |
JJ,
I disagree,
When a person writes a book, for the public, then that is a public statement. In his book, he in fact declairs his birth place in Hawaii, and the hospital.
Okay, didn’t know it was in a book, yep, that would make it public–thanks.
Sir William, on that line of thought, since he wrote in the book, I found the BC in a shoebox in the closet, wouldn’t that make that praticular document public?? just saying!
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 11:03 am |
JJ,
Potecting future lawsuits… Wanna be my law partner?
Nope–but I’d make a great spy for those scumbags collecting welfare and disability falsely—let me at those skanks!!
Would others please write to the ltc lakin backing website and inquire as to why the current evidence of admittance of British citizenship and Indonesian adoption has not been used first … and then, when that leads to the necessity of more discovery, go ahead with that. It seems that every case begins with demands of the court to get the evidence needed. We’ve seen too many times that no one is willing to be possibly “embarrassed” in order to conduct a court of unbiased judgment. I’m tired of making that suggestion that falls on deaf ears of counselors. Otherwise the courts look at you as coming in without any ammunition and they feel free to run over you. Write and demand a defense (that you may be paying for with donations) that uses what is already out there and which the public has already witnessed.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com
Kathy | September 3, 2010 at 11:23 am |
Surely Lankin is justified in reasonable doubt and should be found innocent.
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Not according to judge lind who has decided Col Lakin will not be allowed a defense.
Observer
That site looks abandoned , no updates , no email updates .
Observer | September 3, 2010 at 11:48 am |
Would others please write to the ltc lakin backing website and inquire as to why the current evidence of admittance of British citizenship and Indonesian adoption has not been used first … and then, when that leads to the necessity of more discovery, go ahead with that. It seems that every case begins with demands of the court to get the evidence needed. We’ve seen too many times that no one is willing to be possibly “embarrassed” in order to conduct a court of unbiased judgment. I’m tired of making that suggestion that falls on deaf ears of counselors. Otherwise the courts look at you as coming in without any ammunition and they feel free to run over you. Write and demand a defense (that you may be paying for with donations) that uses what is already out there and which the public has already witnessed.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com
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Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one who was dismayed by Lakin’s lawyers’ not raising the issue of bo’s admitted dual citizenship.
JJ @ 11:33 am | Just thinking from the point of view crime is crime.
http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36912
Under the US code (a US crime) and “maybe” so named under state codes, failure to report a felony is know as “Misprision”.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/s…4—-000-.html
Regardless on the state level, the “catchprase” or title of the crime, it is probably a good bet most states criminalize failure to report a felony. If can be done anonymously, the better.
The trick is proving, in court, the person had knowledge of such a crime and did not report it.
I have also read from past research, it is a low level crime for failure to report a misdemeanor in some jurisdictions?? I have not sifted through TX law, BE, but it is possible it is a crime.
Also states require a person in an authoritative position, such as teacher, doctor etc.,, to report the crime of child abuse, etc., when such facts may be clear the child was harmed.
Observer,
I will pose a question that my heart has not wanted my head to ask…
Free Speech states: It is apparent that the Lakin trial is a setup to discourage other Soldiers from contesting bo’s illegal orders.
Bloggers are screaming out this morning, we don’t need no stinkin’ discovery… we have what we need!
My synical question… whose side is Lakin on? Are we sure?
Justice Clarence Thomas: “We’re evading eligibility”
http://www.ohiofreepress.com/general/2010/justice-clarence-thomas-evading-eligibility/
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 11:58 am |
“My synical question… whose side is Lakin on? Are we sure?”
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Prairie,
Col Lakin is an HONORABLE OFFICER. Questioning his allegiance is NOT JUSTIFIED!
Are suggesting that Col Lakin set himself up for a prison sentence, Prairie?
What is the motive of your question “whose side is Lakin on?” Praire?
Great conversation here today. Like the good ol’ days before……. never mind.
I’ve been trying to post this gatewaypundit article about a BIG TEA Party next week end. But I’m having a problem with accessing freerepublic.com. Anyone else having trouble with FR? If not, could you, would you post this article there for me? And I sure can use CW devotees’ help to pass this information around to every blog or email address you can.
There will be three TEA Parties put on by the Tea Party Patriots next Sunday 9/12/2010. St. Louis, Sacramento and D.C. But I’m going to St. Louis because it’s soooo close to me. Let me know if any of you are going because I’d love to meet you!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/09/mark-your-calendars-%E2%80%9Cgateway-to-november%E2%80%9D-tea-party-september-12-2010-in-st-louis-2/
Other public evidence Lakin could use is Senate Resolution 511 signed by Obama et. al. which documents the determination of Congress that John McCain is a Natural Born Citizen qualifed to serve as POTUS because he had two US Citizen parents with Dad serving the military when John was born in a hospital in Panama City (not on a US base hospital). They got it wrong on the Panama matter but right on the two US Citizen parent matter.
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 11:53 am |
Observer
That site looks abandoned , no updates , no email updates .
Re: known evidence of Brit Citizenship and Indonesian adoption with no known re-naturalization (currently an illegal alien) – demanding usage as first evidence in court before request for further discovery –
Perhaps here then?? Anybody home?? Tell them, after following their website and perhaps making donations for defense, why wasn’t there a complete defense with what is publicly known already:
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/questions-or-comments.html
What I used before but not aware of its current status.
bob strauss | September 2, 2010 at 9:34 pm |
Usurpers are not impeached. Presidents are impeached. Usurpers are declared ineligible, cuffed, and led away to be arraigned for the crimes committed. There will be no retirement package for the usurper, and instead of being guarded by the secret service, he will be guarded by dept of corrections.
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Exactly Think we’ll ever see that happen?
To all our fellow Americans on the East Coast-I hope that Hurricane Earl is not too damaging to you. Lots of flooding in Buxton, NC-I know it will proceed up the East Coast so I hope that your power stays on-that you don’t flood etc. Thank you to all the guys from the electric companies from your area that came down to FL when we had our terrible Hurricane damage-no power in our neighborhood for a week, many areas in FL (populated) didn’t have power for weeks, months. The storms were severe-hope yours are NOT. Thank you so much East Coast states for the help when we needed it-it was so appreciated, we could tell the electric guys-out of state they had their own vehicles-if you lose power you may see FPL (Florida Power and Light) vehicles in your area.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/03/national/main6832649.shtml
Downgraded Earl Still Posing a Threat
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 6:56 am |
No one has asked the judicial branch to remove or impreach a president.
So why do the courts, including this one, continue to give a disclaimer for something that does not exisit?
It is nothing more than a straw man cop out. Create an arguement that does not exisit.
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YOU ARE SO SMART!
Free Speech,
From Rush, to Beck, to Palin … everyone… I have come to not trust. Explain how or why no court case, as Observer points out, seeks to argue the facts we hold in the public realm, yet, fails in an attempt to gain discovery. We don’t need discovery. How many smoking guns are in our arsenal already. Damn it! I pray each night for those fighting for America. I pray for LTC Lakin. That said, my heart is timid to trust blindly ANYONE ANYMORE. Sad, I know. That is the truth, either you trust me or you don’t. I don’t blame anyone for mistrusting, we have chased to many white horses.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
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As much as I disagree with it, there is at least some “explanation” or “logic” as to why the formal mechanisms have failed. As far as the MSM, it is just plain simple elitism and bias. But some of our favorites you mention – it is simply unfathomable. They spend every day straining at dung, while ignoring the elephant. “Oh, picking through the dung is too important and too critical to waste our time with the elephant!”
JJ,
I am not following the shoebox example?
All I am stating is that Obama as well as the media, has in fact declaired, to the public, in one form or another, that his documents have been dicussed, proven, texted, tweetered, blogged, ect. This is from all claims.
My point was simply this. If the Media and Obama’s claims, are in fact, the “truth”” then how would anything LTC Lakin ask for in his discovery, be “Embarrasing”. The only way it is “embarrising” is if you lied to the public.
Privacy rights laws to those making public claims, including book writing, media, interviews, ect., by those in the public domain, ie., politicians, movie stars, ect. do not share the same right of privacy as those not making public claims. The courts have ruled on this many times. (Bush AWOL FOIA for his military records ring a bell)?
You cannot use a public claim as a sword, then claim right to privacy as a shield. Obama has thus far.
Now if you find a damming document in your shoebox, and only you are aware of it, I would suggest that person keep their mouth shut. But if I go public with it, and claim the document states something completely different, then I could very well be challeged in a court to prove it.
I will add, since I am here to learn and not make friends, where the hell has Orly got us? How many of her cases have been sabotaged by her own “dizzy blond” antics. Forgetten signature, Keyes forgetting the most important facts of the Obama debate, WTH. Cantor, Palin, Bachmann… please. We are in the midst of a hostile takeover and we are chasing rainbows. I want my county back…. well who has it! Not looking good in a burqua is the least of my worries… I don’t want my 3 boys to end up dead fighting a war for the NWO, drug smuggling, commie, Zionist regime. There, I have spilled my beans.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1283450609
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 12:24 pm |
Free Speech,
From Rush, to Beck, to Palin … everyone… I have come to not trust. Explain how or why no court case, as Observer points out, seeks to argue the facts we hold in the public realm, yet, fails in an attempt to gain discovery. We don’t need discovery. How many smoking guns are in our arsenal already. Damn it! I pray each night for those fighting for America. I pray for LTC Lakin. That said, my heart is timid to trust blindly ANYONE ANYMORE. Sad, I know. That is the truth, either you trust me or you don’t. I don’t blame anyone for mistrusting, we have chased to many white horses.
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I have faith in God and every day I pray for knowledge of God’s will. I also have faith in Honorable men like Col Lakin.
JJ,
There are also politicians in the past that have claimed Military History serving in our Armies through campaigning. When challeged on that statement in court, they ruled that that person has indeed forefitted their right to privacy, by their public claim. Hense the sword and shiled laws to privacy.
Movie stars make this mistake often, and some politicians at the lower level branches.
But again, that is not the same thing as finding a document in your shoebox. Unless you go public with it.
my comments in BOLD.
Sam Sewell | September 1, 2010 at 9:49 pm |
“Joy | September 1, 2010 at 3:35 pm |
You’re way wrong and research will convince you.
You totally miss the point. We are all up to speed on the research. What Joy understands and you and FS do not: In this political environment, right now, today, it will not work. You just get to the same point we are already at. No jurisdiction, no standing. Please quit quoting theory to us, “what should work in a pure world”. That is an idyllic situation which makes us true patriots wonder if you “don’t get it” or if you are purposefully sowing disinformation. Read your own checklist as applies to yourself and FS and see what pops out at you.
Sam Sewell | September 2, 2010 at 1:19 pm |
Wrong again joy! … I don’t post here often enough to qualify as “harping”.
Uh, yes you do. Free Speech uses your name and a quote from you over and over in his repetitive rants (aka “harping”). If you have allowed him to use your name and your quote in this manner, then you are indeed harping also. If he has overstepped your good graces, please take it up with him, not with Joy. Joy is good. Joy is right. You don’t get to deny throwing hand-grenades by giving them to someone else to throw and then disassociating yourself from same thrower. You should know better. SIGH
Free Speech,
My faith in God is strong, it is my faith in man that has shattered. Col Lakin has put his life on the line believing it is our right to question. I believe, he would forgive me for my questioning of him or anyone before I give them my full trust.
Joy | September 2, 2010 at 11:26 pm |
FREE SPEECH, YOUR POST AT 5:45 IS PURE BULL SH*T.
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Joy, dear one, take a deep breath – inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale – – –
We got your back! Carry on!!
Observer
I’m sure the defense has that information and was planning on using it .
Read Judge ” hang’em high’s” decision .
In order to understand you have to think democracy . I’m sure you can find all the binding precedents , such as embarrassment articles , Supreme Leader rules , making up laws as you go , in the court system of Venezuela.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm |
Not looking good in a burqua is the least of my worries…
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.ROTFLMAO ………………
obot RANTS this morning show they are DESPERATELY AFRAID of INDICTMENTS of bo and co-conspirators by State Grand Juries.
Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”
Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1U4AkF6tY&feature=player_embedded
Maj.Gen. Jerry Curry : Obama’s Eligibility Issue Moving Toward Critical Mass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TmTqvIhLig
More Obama Arrogance – Birth Certificate Plastered On Forehead Comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7dJqmfLR38
Does the above video prove the point the Grand Jury is useless because it has no means to enforce it’s decisions ?, just asking .
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm |
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How ’bout if you just change Zionist to Muslim? I know you have a fixation against Zionists so I am not going to debate that with you. For the purposes of this discussion, let me concede that Zionists make mistakes and are not necessarily “good”. I just claim that the evidence points a lot more to Muslim infiltration of America and it’s government, and that whatever faults Zionists have, Muslims are a lot worse. And since these two are mortal enemies – should I be forced to take sides – I would stand AGAINST the Muslims!
Does that seem fair?
STILL FIGHTING FOR THE LEAVENWORTH TEN
by Diana West
Recently someone was asking who are the “Leavenworth Ten”?
Here is the answer: (This is about Col. Allen West’s determination
to bring justice to these wrongfully-imprisoned “ten”)
http://townhall.com/columnists/DianaWest/2010/09/03/west_still_fighting_for_the_ten
“Something is upside-down about this military legal system,” says West, who believes this and other systemic military problems, from “the convoluted rules of engagement” to “Ivy League, think-tank” strategies, will be corrected if Americans send more representatives with battlefield experience to Washington.
“ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 12:52 pm |
Observer
I’m sure the defense has that information and was planning on using it .”
It’s the well worn use of same approach or “strategy” as to how to introduce and when to introduce that “bird in hand” that I object to. So far, the approaches used have put the judge in charge “on the spot” re: where the political public response may be directed in the aftermath. None of them want that reputation. But if known evidence, admitted to by O himself, is first presented TO the court, then it just might offer a pathway beyond making the judge appear that is was at his/her instigation to find more evidence that may or may not exist and forcing the blame for any “embarrassment” on the counselor/defense in question. Different tactics ought to be tried rather than the same old approach … even if standing is granted. It’s not the “standing”, it’s the judge. Let her/him rebut recognized known evidence, agreed to already by the one she/he wishes to protect from “embarrassment”. At least then any higher court would have more grounds for any appeal. It’s not that military personnel are just wondering about pres. status, they have foundational evidence for disobeying a non-citizen. Present it as a fait accompli and let the judge go down in history as a non-patriot if she/he denies even that which is already acknowledged as fact.
The Nail in Lakin’s Coffin
There are too many things bizarre or just plain wrong in this whole situation to get your head around. And they all need exposed and some sunshine sprayed on them.
However, I think one rises above the others as just totally destroying his case. In fact, some of the other sites devoted to praising the military courts have noted this – and I think they are right in this assessment “LtC Lakin’s Case DESTROYED”.
This would be the insistence by the judge that orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC, and that the Pentagon is stipulated to be an authorized, non-criticizeable, source of orders.
That nails it. It totally derails Lakin’s case and totally removes Zero from the discussion. In fact: END OF DISCUSSION!
68Truthseeker | September 3, 2010 at 1:08 pm |
Thank you for the Gen Curry posts.
Observer | September 3, 2010 at 1:19 pm |
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YES.
CC,
In the text I use Zionism it refers to a political movement, same as liberal or progressivism is a movement. As far as religion, I have left my own Catholic faith for it’s support of a pro-abortion president and the health care bill. In my view, there is no such thing as a “protected and chosen” class, we are all children of God. There is no longer one form of organized religion “holier” than another.
I am educating myself on facts. My obsession is with facts. Did you read the link I gave? How do we deny this:
Some say Obama is Muslim, but why would a Muslim surround himself with so many Jewish Czars? We now have more czars than imperial Russia. Let’s consider Obama’s czars: Economic Czars – Larry Summers & Paul Volker, Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein, Pay Czar – Kenneth Feinberg, Military Jails Czar – Daniel Fried, Car Czars – Steven Rattner and Ron Bloom, Border Czar – Alan Bersin, Health Rationing Czar – Dr. Donald Berwick, Food Czar – Sam Kass, Climate Czar – Todd Stern, Global Warming Czar – Carol Browner, Afghanistan Czar – Richard Holbrooke, Central Region Czar – Dennis Ross, Aids Czar – Jeffrey Crowley, Domestic Violence Czar – Lynn Rosenthal, Anti-semitism Czar – Hannah Rosenthal, Government Performance Czar – Jeffrey Zients, Drug Czar – Gil Kerlikowske, Science Czar – John Holdren, all are Zionist.
Or this:
“The U.S. media landscape is dominated by massive corporations that, through a history of mergers and acquisitions, have concentrated their control over what we see, hear and read. In many cases, these giant companies are vertically integrated, controlling everything from initial production to final distribution. Here is information about the largest U.S. media firms.” http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Who are these media giants?
General Electric – CEO, Jeffrey R. Immelt
Walt Disney – CEO Robert Iger
News Corp – CEO Rupert Murdoch ( Jewish mother – Elisabeth Joy Greene ),
President of News – Corp Peter Chernin, President Fox News – Roger Ailes
Time Warner – CEO Jeffrey Bewkes
Viacom – CEO Sumner Redstone (aka Murray Rothstein)
CBS – CEO Leslie Moonves – all are Zionists.
I don’t think I am obsessed with Zionists, I think they are obsessed with us. Do the Muslims hate us, yes, I think they do. Still, we have 70% of the worlds millitary power. Who would pick a fight with us? No one. We are being attacked from with in. CC, I would love to have a friend here to agree with. I try to respect others opinions. Yet, I need to be honest with myself first. If that makes me a ranting obot, to quote FS, so be it. Tin foil is my new black and I don’t give a chit anymore who I offend with the truth.
Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”
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Consider what the Great Ones statement means for bo and his cohorts. Now wonder the obots are so FRIGHTENED today.
CC,
I am simply reading the obvious. Through my knowledge, skills, education, ect., it becomes criticial to review all the data begining with the basic statement of wording for analysis. Sometimes, one can attempt to dig so deep into data looking for outliers, that the obvious is in the front.
It was for this reseach ability that I have enjoined myself with one of the Obama law suits. last week, my personal affidavit was compiled with a pre-existing suit and hand delivered to Washington D.C.
Here is also a quick summary I prepared for my email subscribers. Some of you might find it useful. It is prepared in informal English, not legaleese or techno-jargon. Feel free to use it freely without attribution.
Yesterday: A Grave Misjustice and Far Reaching Event
Thursday, LtC Lakin had his first hearing. He was slapped down by the judge and told he could not question orders from the CiC. He was told that orders came from the Pentagon and were prima facie legal. There were more “howlers” in the proceeding than I can list in a short email. I will highlight some of the most egregious.
1. What does it mean to be CiC if only Pentagon issues orders? Figurehead?
2. Defendant was denied any access to documents or people by which he may defend himself. UCMJ has been violated in that it requires defendant be given access and means to defend self.
3. Judge specifically said it was not the place of a Military Court to embarrass the President. Why would he be embarrassed unless the judge already knew or suspected president was a fraud? Besides, when did “embarrassment” become a legal concept?
4. An officer’s oath is to follow and uphold the constitution, not a President or Pentagon.
5. Officers are specifically instructed that they should question the legality and morality of orders. If Obama is ineligible or otherwise a usurper, every foreign adventure he undertakes is a War Crime subject to International Courts. What does this make officers who follow those orders?
6. The Nuremberg trials were just negated. The judge has adopted the Nazi Defense.
7. The Geneva Conventions were just violated.
PS – Are you hearing all about this in the MSM?
P.S.
Has everyone seen the newly released, after 9 years of FOIA, footage of 911? Or are you still trusting the media and your government?
http://www.infowars.com/did-nist-edit-wtc-7-footage-to-hide-evidence-of-implosion/
OT:
Strong quake hits New Zealand
near Christchurch:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38993181/ns/world_news-asiapacific/
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
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“KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE AND YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER” – Sun-tzu
Charles always nails it, but I would add that 50 per cent or more Dems are now Tea Party because of the arrogance of Obama/Reid/Pelosi/DNC-corrupt, inept, un-Constitutional basically low down skunk heads.
http://www.breitbart.tv/krauthammer-voters-not-just-angry-at-obama-its-all-democrats/
Krauthammer: Voters Not Just Angry at Obama, It’s ALL Democrats
In response to the conventional wisdom that says voters are just taking out their anger at President Obama on House and Senate Democrats this mid-term, Charles Krauthammer offers an alternative reason.
Why would Islam want a good mainstream devoted Christian to be their Mullah ?.
Muslim Ideological Council: Obama to be named “Caliph of Muslims” “Mullah Barack Hussain Obama” “Allama Obama”
Pak Minister wants Obama to be ”leader of all Muslims” MSN
Islamabad, Sep 2 (PTI) A Pakistani minister wants US President Barack Obama to offer Eid prayers at Ground Zero in New York and become the “Amir-ul-Momineen” or Caliph of Muslims.
“Mullah Barack Hussain Obama” or “Allama Obama”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:40 pm |
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Yeah, so the Pentagon came up with the idea to tie the hands of our military in Afghanistan, acknowledging that more have died to that policy, while their own Gen. now in charge disagreed and disagrees while pursuing another policy? At least the Gen. P. appears to be acknowledging the Pres’s policy since he disguises his own approach with words attempting not to appear as disagreeing with the president. Gates doesn’t get his marching orders, and passing them on down, from the CIC?? The judge in this case just substituted the Pentagon as the rightful defendant against their probable non-citizen CIC!!! They must feel “embarrassed” about that unrealistic placement made by this incompetent.
Once again cc fubo reveals his false flag colors:
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:21 pm |
“The Nail in Lakin’s Coffin..
… orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
That nails it. It totally derails Lakin’s case and totally removes Zero from the discussion. In fact: END OF DISCUSSION!”
“Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 2:53 pm |
“…we have to lay off the “birther” business…”
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 2, 2010 at 6:27 pm |
… nothing horrible has happened in two years, so another two years – not so bad.’’
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
‘’YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT HE IS FOREIGN BORN. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW FOR SURE, YOU DON’T COUNT. YOU ARE NOT THE DECIDER. THE DECIDERS BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
There is no current legally binding definition of NBC
The One…will not ever be taken down on the NBC issue…’’
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm |
Obamessiah. He will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised. .
MY expectation is that he will use the power and forces at his disposal to escape to another country where he will be honored and cherished.
Obama will be a GOD
Observer | September 3, 2010 at 1:46 pm |
OT:
Strong quake hits New Zealand
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Our thoughts and prayers to the wonderful people of Christ Church, N.Z.
They have a moving memorial to our “911”
http://www.stockpix.co.nz/gallery_of_new_zealand_stock_images/september_11_memorial_christchurch.html
http://www.breitbart.tv/gingrich-strategy-to-stop-mosque-make-ground-zero-national-memorial/
The former Speaker of the House offers a Constitutional solution to the Ground Zero Mosque situation that would not discriminate against one, single religion.
Only a hopelessly INSANE OBOT would make the following statements. bo is NOT a “god” or a “messiah” and he is NOT above the LAW and he will NOT go free as cc fubo claims:
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Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm |
Obamessiah. He will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised. .
MY expectation is that he will use the power and forces at his disposal to escape to another country where he will be honored and cherished.
Obama will be a GOD”
Lind’s denial of discovery concerning Obama’s official vital records follows no Rule of Evidence I know of. Official documents qualify under the Hearsay Exemptions.
Two points: 1) I agree with Sir William that the vital record do not offer proof of ‘natural born citizenship,’ only native-born status. The real question of law is if the son of a British subject could ever be, in the eyes of the framers, eligible to the presidency under the natural born citizen clause of Article II. Obvious answer, NO. 2) A major legal proof is if in 1787, and onward, did the nationality of the wife establish legal jurisdiction of her national sovereignty over the child? Even today with modern suffrage laws and the Cable Act, 8 USC 1401 looks first to the father. Can you imagine a U.S. father with a French wife getting official notice that his son had to report to the French Foreign Legion?
Conclusion: The defense’s demand for Obama’s vital records is, indeed, political. It is political because the current ‘popular’ understanding of Natural Born Citizen is ‘native-born.’ This ignores SR511 that determined John McCain was eligible due to two U.S. citizen parents, and no Panamanian ‘solis’ nationality conferred under any law.
A few words from a prior messiah (or so he thought) wasn’t his platform lifting the poor downtrodden and disenfranchised?
http://www.breitbart.tv/ground-zero-mosque-downfall/
It was bound to happen…
Ground Zero Mosque Downfall
WOW, I just happened upon this awesome quote.
Is this great or what?
Remind you of anybody or anything???
Okay, I posted this on yesterdays thread, but I’m reposting here. If 13 min. is too much, go to just before 8 min. mark. It’s George Calloway, who by the way is banned from entering Canada,but allowed in the US to raise money for Hamas in muslim mosques. He is talking about how great BS/BO is and how he knows what he has to do for the muslims.
Michelle | September 3, 2010 at 2:25 pm |
A few words from a prior messiah (or so he thought) wasn’t his platform lifting the poor downtrodden and disenfranchised?
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Thanks for the laugh, Michelle. A good laugh at the obot “boMessiah”
rants is always fun.
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Citizen Carlyle
(FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm |
” Obamessiah…will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised. ”
“Obama will be a GOD”
paralegalnm | September 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
Lind’s denial of discovery concerning Obama’s official vital records follows no Rule of Evidence I know of. Official documents qualify under the Hearsay Exemptions.
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My understanding of the ruling , Lind completely removed the entire eligibility question from the trial , where did I go wrong .
http://idiots4obama.blogspot.com/2010/09/racist-coward-eric-holder-sues-sheriff.html
‘A white mans greed runs a world in need.’ – Barack Obama.
Obama sure likes going after those crackers Gov. Brewer, Sheriff Arpaio, Cambridge cops and tanning salon owners to name a few. Then he drops the black panthers voter intimidation case. C’mon now…
Congressman Raul Grijalva is a radical Marxist Hugo Chavez loving, anti-American dirtbag.
Support for LTC Lakin, support for a lawful CinC, support for the release of obama’s authentic I.D. documents, (and whatever else concerns our “we-the-people” citizen minds) can be expressed to MD media representatives.
Baltimore stations:
CBS http://wjz.com/contact
NBC http://www.wbaltv.com/wbalnewsteam/index.html
FOX http://foxbaltimore.com/sections/station/news_team/index.shtml
ABC http://www.abc2news.com/subindex/about_us/contact_us
Another vacation for Obama
HE NEEDS A VACATION: OBAMA TO CAMP DAVID…
President Barack Obama will speak to reporters Friday after the Labor Department releases its monthly jobless report.
Analysts expect the unemployment rate to rise slightly, to 9.6 percent from 9.5 percent.
story
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11550156.
http://idiots4obama.blogspot.com/2010/09/liberal-pat-caddell-democrats-used-to.html
LIBERAL PAT CADDELL: ‘Democrats used to be the voice of the common man in America, not his dictator.’
Gazing upon today’s electoral landscape, Caddell paints an even bleaker picture. “We may be at a pre-revolutionary moment,” he says, unsmiling. “Everything is in motion.” This November, he predicts, “will be more of a national referendum than any [midterm election] since Watergate.” READ MORE…
Kind of reminds me of “A Few Good Men”.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 10:24 am |
Free Speach,
Could a judge be that stupid as to make the case for “embarrassment” as a reasonable defense.
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You folks are really hitting every facet of this case today! Great discussion!
Of course, I, too, am very chagrined over Judge Lind’s ruling and share the feelings of most commenting here. There is really nothing more to add, except one thing.
I picked up on another blog something written by a former attorney – liberal, I must say. However, in all fairness I believe he is right about something. That something doesn’t change my feelings about the outcome yesterday or the injustice that occurred. Here it is: We are making a lot of the statement she made as to how it would be an embarrassment to the President. This attorney said she may be using another meaning of that word – “hinder or obstruct” , (rather than the way we usually use it – “self-conscious”) He wants to read the ruling itself before coming to any conclusions about the use of that word.
Has anyone read the ruling? Is it available? There has been a lot of talk here by some as to how they would be “embarrassed” if asked to prove their innocence by a breath test, or similar. This may not be the meaning that the Judge intended; however, notwithstanding, I am totally dismayed that this case doesn’t look like it’s going to have any success going forward.
Personally, I feel that Lakin has not had the very best legal advice, but this is in no way intended to be unduly critical of his lawyers’ efforts. We all know the difficulties of the past and how hard it is to penetrate this WALL. The idea of stressing what we already know – as has been pointed out – the dual citizenship – seems to me to be worth pursuing. Is it now too late for that at this juncture in the trial?
Prairie – 1:41 PM
Has everyone seen the newly released, after 9 years of FOIA, footage of 911? Or are you still trusting the media and your government?
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Prairie, I’m sorry – the ‘truther” stuff has no meaning for me – you could say,
“been there”. It’s OK for people who like conspiracy theories.
Free Speech 1:25 PM
“No wonder the obots are so FRIGHTENED today.”
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Where are they? I haven’t seen any evidence of obots here today! All posters here are just patriotic Americans who may have differing viewpoints.
For goodness sakes, FS, get a life and stop singling out one or two here to chastise. That should be beneath you, and I think that it truly is! You just slip once in awhile. We need your legal input!
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 2:43 pm |
Again, FS, thank you for repeating some of my best work. This is EXACTLY where I believe we are headed. I believe the elitist and biased MSM and most of the PTBs are trying to make this happen.
They “rest of my story” is that I believe Zero will use his power and resources to escape to a friendly foreign country – so as to facilitate this outcome. In any case, Patriots will almost certainly be denied the pleasure of seeing him brought to justice. And if you recall, I also said that disparaging him in any way will become the PC equivalent of, say, calling someone a n*gg*r. We are SOOO screwed.
Cabby – AZ | September 3, 2010 at 3:00 pm |
The idea of stressing what we already know – as has been pointed out – the dual citizenship – seems to me to be worth pursuing. Is it now too late for that at this juncture in the trial?
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Unless Col Lakin’s lawyers file a successful interlocutory appeal lind will not allow the issue of bo’s eligibility to be argued at trial.
I think it is because Obama is an un-American creep, due to his Cesspool of Corruption days in the Southside of Chicago as a community organizer a/k/a slum landlord/thief with his mobbed up friends, acquaintances-some of which were in government-hence the Blago trials-odd all of Obama’s cohorts are in jail, but he is not?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2015629,00.html?xid=newsletter-daily
How Barack Obama Became Mr. Unpopular
Comment from Hillbuzz.
aurora7777 Says:
Pull back the gangplank, the rats are jumping!
Ya’ll are:
Too busy attacking each other, all of which are on the same side, deliberating who has the best legal plan, whilst fighting amongst each other.
This is pathatic.
cc fubo, like bo, can not escape his Anti-American rants.
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Citizen Carlyle</b.
(FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:00 pm |
‘’YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT HE IS FOREIGN BORN. EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW FOR SURE, YOU DON’T COUNT. YOU ARE NOT THE DECIDER. THE DECIDERS BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
There is no current legally binding definition of NBC
The One…will not ever be taken down on the NBC issue…’’
Citizen Carlyle
(FUBO) | September 1, 2010 at 9:11 pm |
” Obamessiah…will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised. ”
“Obama will be a GOD”
Michelle | September 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm |
odd all of Obama’s cohorts are in jail, but he is not?
How Barack Obama Became Mr. Unpopular
Comment from Hillbuzz.
aurora7777 Says:
Pull back the gangplank, the rats are jumping!
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The obot Rats are certainly in a frenzy here today.
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 1:41 pm |
Has everyone seen the newly released, after 9 years of FOIA, footage of 911? Or are you still trusting the media and your government?
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1. I don’t see anyone here trusting either the media or the government. What’s your point?
2. “Truthers”, in general – and maybe you too (depends on how extreme you are) remind me of FS in one of his foamy mouth moods – especially when he hyperventilates over the Gulf Oil Disaster. While on one hand, there is definitely something going on, something the media is not accurately reporting, something the government is covering up – none of us mere mortals knows what it is. So there are many as yet unexplained “curiosities”. Maybe sprinklers not working, maybe thermite here and there, maybe implosions instead of explosions. ALL THAT PROVES is that there was some preparatory work by the villains – nothing more. Same with JFK assassination, for example. Many unanswered questions. Seems to me a much better approach would be to continue to ask and demand for further investigation, release of records, and fact finding. It seems to help no one – and erodes the credibility of the questioners – to keep speculating and making up “what if” and “could be” facts. That qualifies as “fairy tales” not “truth”. Maybe at one time there were good “truthers”, I don’t know. But the term is now universely taken to mean “9/11 was an inside job by Neocons and maybe Zionists – specifically to frame Muslims”. That I reject categorically and why I pick on “truthers”. If you are a real seeker for real truth – please don’t smear yourself by calling yourself a “truther” and please do not post or refer to propaganda put out by these sorts of “truthers”.
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
“Unless Col Lakin’s lawyers file a successful interlocutory appeal lind will not allow the issue of bo’s eligibility to be argued at trial.”
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Thanks for that input! Are there no further hearings before the trial? If there are, in your opinion could the dual citizenship be raised then? (I’m showing my ignorance of judicial proceedings.)
Cabby – AZ | September 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm |
For goodness sakes, FS, get a life and stop singling out one or two here to chastise.
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Ha! Don’t worry about it. Some of us have come to view being called names (I particularly like “insane”) by FS, is nothing but a badge of honor.
Although I do agree – and it makes me quite angry – that if one is to quote another, they should do so correctly, and in-context. Twisting another’s meaning to make a point is pretty low.
I would like to how it would even possible to embarrass a usurper posing as a character that doesn’t exist .
Could someone be accused of embarrassing Elmer J. Fudd for his speech impairment, of course not.
What about our embarrassment of having that thing from Indonesia in the WH .
No cc fubo, U & the obots have hung yourselves by your own words and deed. U, NOT we, R “SOOO screwed.”
“””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Citizen Carlyle
(FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
” Obamessiah…will be the untouchable hero of the downtrodden and disenfranchised. ”
“Obama will be a GOD”
… thank you for repeating some of my best work.
SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO SLAPPED WITH U.S. LAWSUIT
“Let them sue us,” he told reporters in the state capital Phoenix, hours after the legal action was announced in Washington. “I’m not going to surrender.”
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ArpaioAdministration-WhippingBoy/2010/09/03/id/369137?s=al&promo_code=AAB0-1
Sheriff Joe is one courageous man, and we in AZ love him!
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 2:13 pm |
… he is NOT above the LAW and he will NOT …
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Here is another example of you twisting my words and mistaking theory and law in a perfect world for the reality of our broken system.
1. Indeed, Zero, is not above the law in a legal sense, in a moral sense, or in common opinion.
2. But, in practice, Zero has the power and resources to place himself far away from the law – therefore “outside the law”. All I know is that if I were in his position, I would not submit to a trial, going to jail, or being hanged. So, why would he?
Put any tomatoes in a fruit salad lately? Have we?
CC,
My point is, look at the footage through your own eyes. Don’t let the media or the politicians tell you what you see. There report of 911 is as worthless as a jpeg BC. Smoke and mirrors. A plane did not hit the Pentagon. Truther is a slam intented to ridicule, same as birther. Truthers and Birthers have more in common than not. Investigate and get records… how is that going for us?
Cabby – AZ | September 3, 2010 at 3:51 pm |
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm |
“Unless Col Lakin’s lawyers file a successful interlocutory appeal lind will not allow the issue of bo’s eligibility to be argued at trial.”
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Thanks for that input!
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Citizen Carlyle 3:56 PM
“Ha! Don’t worry about it. Some of us have come to view being called names (I particularly like “insane”) by FS, is nothing but a badge of honor.”
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Well, I know that you remain above the “fray” regardless, but it is annoying.
On the other hand, one COULD say that it makes us concentrate harder on the real issues up for discussion – kind of like, may we say, a “counter-irritant”?
(Tee-hee)
Now that the Federal Government has filed a suit against Sherriff Joe of Arizona he now has the opportunity of his lifetime. He needs to file a counter suit against Soetoro to prove the eligibility. and since he is the highest office in Arizona he may be able to order the arrest of Soetoro, and have him extradited to Az. where he can face prosecution, as an illegal. He needs to swear out a warrant for Soetoro’s arrest. The DC police would be onbligated to make the arrest.
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 4:03 pm |
All I know is that if I were in his position, I would not submit to a trial, going to jail, or being hanged. So, why would he?
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LOL! So U think U are allowed to choose to submit to trial??? Once U are indicted, you are tried and your sentence whether it be life in prison or death is NOT negotiable, fubo.
Cabby AZ……………………………………..
Take a look at my last comment. I was discussing this today with some friends in our Sherriff’s dept.
Nine years from now, if the long form BC of o is uncovered… would you look? It is important to realize the problem is beyond o. We have to figure out who has our country before we can take it back. Removal of one Kenyan who rides bike like a girl and can’t even throw a baseball, is not the end all to our countries problems. Look how much freedom we have lost since 911. Look at the video with open eyes and open minds. That is how you got to CW’s in the first place…
http://www.infowars.com/building-7-implosion-the-smoking-gun-of-911/
OT, in a way!!
Our future, beginning with NY?:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/
and will O wind up being persecuted, regardless of his loyalty to them, because he left his Islamic roots through his father?? Will one who defends the fanatics over U.S. citizens in the end have the fanatics to deal with for his own welfare??
I think the sheriff should slap back with an arrest of the usurper. He has the power to arrest that illegal squatter in the WH. BO has no standing.
Cabby………………………………….
If you have any connections with anyone in his department,I would suggest that you contact them ,soon and pass this along. It is possible that they already know this information. I have known for some time that under certain circumstances a Sherriff could arrest Soetoro, if there is “reasonable”suspicion. This was part of the discussion in the Federal lawsuit recently against Brewer. The Fed cannot change “REASONABLE SUSPICION” the FBI also uses it on occasion.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/09/la-firm-at-center-of-huge-human-smuggling-case.html
L.A. firm at center of huge human-smuggling case
September 3, 2010 | 10:18 am
A Westwood company is at the center of a federal indictment alleging a massive human-smuggling ring involving Thai workers.
The deluded ONE speaks, mercifully short but his usual stupid.
http://www.breitbart.tv/mr-no-regrets-obama-stands-by-recovery-summer/
Mr. ‘No Regrets’: Obama Stands By Recovery Summer
speedy | September 3, 2010 at 4:22 pm |
I think the sheriff should slap back with an arrest of the usurper. He has the power to arrest that illegal squatter in the WH.
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There is already ample evidence to Indict bo and his local co-conspirators in AZ and most other States. All the Sheriffs need to do is convene the Grand Juries.
Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an (Grand Jury) investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”
Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Free Speech……………………………………….
Is there any legal recourse to file a discriminatory lawsuit in Lakin’s behalf,or a alternative lawsauit to force Lind to PROVE her qualifications as a judge.
So,
The RAP and 9-11 thruthers want to combine their analogy, with those seeking legal analysis on NBC status from the Supreme Court….
You have got to be kidding me. This is a very, very bad idea. Not even close.
… orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
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Who ordered the war? Don’t be pointing finger at BUSH. When you take over the presidency you take over all unfinished orders.
Chain of commands = CIC ordered war… Pentagon in turn ordered army… ordered Lakin… ordered…….
To add,
Boy, wouldn’t that make Rosy O’donald and Woody Alan proud…
With everyone except the mainstream media digging, the truth about the circumstances of Obama’s birth will eventually be unearthed. It is just a matter of time. Obama probably thought all of this would go away, esepcially after he wrote two autobiographies which he knew the mainstream media would accept at face value and not check. Right now there are two scenarios which could make this happen sonner than later.
First, someone who is privy to various of Obama’s records–birth, school, etc.–could come forward and finally annouce the jig is up. Connected with this, some patriot somewhere could leak the records–by hacking for example–and risk getting into a lot of trouble in so doing.
The second scenario is the excellent work of Chris Strunk, continuing to pound the State Department on their lies and obfuscations regarding their not turning over information on the whereabouts of Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–through various of his FOIA requests.
Lakin is going to take a monumental fall because he is caught in a rigged game right now. But some enterprising member of the military needs to put himself into a position where Obama himself gives an order to him, and then take it from there. Of course, in reality the chain of military command does indeed run all the way up to the president, who is always the ultimate source for all such orders. The military itself has now been corrupted for not acknowledging this reality in the latest ruling against Lakin in the CM hearing. Are appeals possible? Will a conviction give standing to Lakin to pursue a case outside of military court? I think it might. And of course, if the water gets too hot and Lakin makes any headway in the case, the military or later civilian courts can always pull the plug on the actions against Lakin. Again, firm indications of a rigged game.
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 3:35 pm |
Ya’ll are:
Too busy attacking each other, all of which are on the same side
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Maybe – they are one and the same!!!
Free Speech……………………………..
Sherriff Joe does NOT NEED a grand jury indictment of BO to swear out a warrant for BO. He needs only “REASONANBLE SUSPICION”, however I do agree that if an ARIZONA Grand JURY was CONVENED NOW, it is PROBABLE that an INDICTMENT would be HANDED DOWN WITHOUT any further evidence being necessary.. IF such an indictment was backing the ARREST warrant for BO the DC POLICE would be forced to HONOR it,or join the rest of the nation of treason PERPETRATORS. All of whom could then have arrest warrants against them as conspirators in treason.
New evidence undermines feds’ case against Arizona
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-evidence-undermines-feds-case.html
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 2:45 pm |
paralegalnm | September 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
Lind’s denial of discovery concerning Obama’s official vital records follows no Rule of Evidence I know of. Official documents qualify under the Hearsay Exemptions.
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My understanding of the ruling , Lind completely removed the entire eligibility question from the trial , where did I go wrong .
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I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense. That is, when a soldier disobeys a direct order on the grounds that order is illegal; the burden of proof and production is on him or her to establish its illegality. If s/he can only establish the lawfulness of an order with additional information then, this means, s/he possessed insufficient information before disobeying the order so as to establish, it was unlawful.
Cyber | September 3, 2010 at 4:38 pm |
… orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
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Who ordered the war? Don’t be pointing finger at BUSH. When you take over the presidency you take over all unfinished orders.
Chain of commands = CIC ordered war… Pentagon in turn ordered army… ordered Lakin… ordered…….
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bo ordered the surge in Afghanistan, not President Bush who had been out of office for over a year. bo alone is responsible for the order that required Col Lakin’s deployment.
Gianni……………………………………………..
A gentleman whose surname is Adams worked at the Hawaii DOH. He is on record of having PUBLICALLY stated that there was NO RECORDS at the Hawaii DOH for Obama. He also stated that he would TESTIFY to this fact in a court of law.This is in permanent record at several places. His statement can be accessed.
Giani
The question is will any of the SLIMEY judges allow his testimony. I tend to believe that they will not.
oldsalt79 | September 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm |
Free Speech……………………………..
Sherriff Joe does NOT NEED a grand jury indictment of BO to swear out a warrant for BO. He needs only “REASONANBLE SUSPICION”, however I do agree that if an ARIZONA Grand JURY was CONVENED NOW, it is PROBABLE that an INDICTMENT would be HANDED DOWN WITHOUT any further evidence being necessary..
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I agree that there is more than reasonable suspicion that bo has committed numerous crimes, however, the prudent course for any Sheriff would be to secure a Grand Jury Indictment before proceeding with bo’s arrest.
If bo ventures into a County where he has been indicted who would stop the Sheriff’s Department from arresting bo. The secret service? Federal Marshalls? FBI? I don’t think so. Anyone interferring with bo’s lawful arrest would immediately be subject to arrest themselves.
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 4:56 pm |
Cyber | September 3, 2010 at 4:38 pm |
… orders come from the Pentagon, not the CiC…
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Who ordered the war? Don’t be pointing finger at BUSH. When you take over the presidency you take over all unfinished orders.
Chain of commands = CIC ordered war… Pentagon in turn ordered army… ordered Lakin… ordered…….
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bo ordered the surge in Afghanistan, not President Bush who had been out of office for over a year. bo alone is responsible for the order that required Col Lakin’s deployment.
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Okay! No way out for the usurper in chief.
Ordered war/surge ordered soldiers (Lakin).
Citizen Carlyle (FUBO) | September 3, 2010 at 1:40 pm |
Here is also a quick summary I prepared for my email subscribers. Some of you might find it useful. It is prepared in informal English, not legaleese or techno-jargon. Feel free to use it freely without attribution…
3. Judge specifically said it was not the place of a Military Court to embarrass the President. Why would he be embarrassed unless the judge already knew or suspected president was a fraud? Besides, when did “embarrassment” become a legal concept?
Someone (perhaps Prairie?) asked about this ’embarrassment’ question earlier today, and several other people have mentioned it. The term was used in the ruling which I have heard described as a comprehensive, thorough…well grounded, in fact and law, (both established military and Supreme court law, and the ‘political doctrine’ question).
I was hoping a lawyer here might address it? IIRC the people with legal training here are Free Speech and JBJD.
In my Webster New World Collegiate Dictionary, the word EMBARRASSMENT has a number of definitions; among them is to IMPEDE (SYN) but NOWHERE, did the word OBSTRUCTappear.
Cyber | September 3, 2010 at 5:10 pm |
bo ordered the surge in Afghanistan, not President Bush who had been out of office for over a year. bo alone is responsible for the order that required Col Lakin’s deployment.
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Okay! No way out for the usurper in chief.
Ordered war/surge ordered soldiers (Lakin).
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Exactly.
Maria……………………………………..
You are making an allegation which you have NO proof of. Perhaps you need to reword your statement to say “the only people that I am AWARE of who have juris background” is FREE Speech,and JBJD. The magic words are “AWARE OF”. Please don’t try to speak for all of the commentors when you do not know their backgrounds. I am sure that this is really what you were implying. NO OFFENSE.
Major Garrett is leaving Fox News and the White House Press Corps after landing Helen Thomas’ choice front row seat. Perhaps he was pressured out by Herr Gibbels, the Minister of Propaganda for asking about Dinglebarry’s BC. . .
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/09/major-garrett-last-day-at-fox.html
oldsalt79 | September 3, 2010 at 4:12 pm |
Now that the Federal Government has filed a suit against Sherriff Joe of Arizona he now has the opportunity of his lifetime. He needs to file a counter suit against Soetoro to prove the eligibility.
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Old Salt, I don’t have any connections with the sheriff’s department, but I can write to Arpaio and share my thoughts. He is sheriff of Maricopa County, where Phoenix is located. I live in another county up north, but we all are watching intensely. I often get mail from him – I think he is running for something, but I’m not sure. If he could pull something like that off, he would be hero of heroes. I don’t think the “standing” issue would have any legs at all.
SirWilliam | September 3, 2010 at 4:38 pm |
So,
The RAP and 9-11 thruthers want to combine their analogy, with those seeking legal analysis on NBC status from the Supreme Court….
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I agree – This IS a bad idea. More could be said, but in this instance, silence is golden.
OT; Here’s something you’ll never see in a history book: Interesting article on Colonel George S. Patton, III replicating his famous father’s deeds in VIETNAM:
http://www.goldcoastchronicle.com/recognitions/the-bravest-of-the-brave/
I just heard Glenn Beck quote his favorite saying on Fox – “Question With Boldness” by Thomas Jefferson. He forgot to add”Except, if it has anything to do with the USURPER’S ELIGIBILITY!!!
oldsalt79 | September 3, 2010 at 5:23 pm |
In my Webster New World Collegiate Dictionary, the word EMBARRASSMENT has a number of definitions; among them is to IMPEDE (SYN) but NOWHERE, did the word OBSTRUCTappear.
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My dictionary has a definition of “hinder”. Wouldn’t all of these be practically the same – impede, obstruct, hinder? The attorney on another blog posted that he would want to read the ruling itself, rather than people’s take on it. What he was challenging was the quick conclusion that people were making, i.e., the other definition – “self-conscious”, etc., was what was meant.
One of the things that characterizes the blogosphere is a tendency to take certain information, maybe not entirely accurate, and run with it. Then imaginations take over, and away we go!! It spreads like wildfire. Sometimes it’s good for things to go “viral”, but then again, if the info is tainted somewhat, we later could have egg on our faces, imho.
PLEASE!!! I hope nobody takes from my above post that I am weak on the Lakin ruling. Does it have to be said again? I ABHOR the decision!!! Lakin deserves for the truth to come out. I’m just saying that we can lose credibility if we are “off” on some of the pertinent details. It’s sad, but that’s the battle we are fighting.
Bankroller | September 3, 2010 at 6:04 pm |
OT; Here’s something you’ll never see in a history book: Interesting article on Colonel George S. Patton, III replicating his famous father’s deeds in VIETNAM:
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NEVER FORGET WHAT GENERAL GEORGE PATTON SAID ABOUT POLITICIANS – “Politicians are the lowest form of life. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.”
The RAP and 9-11 thruthers want to combine their analogy, with those seeking legal analysis on NBC status from the Supreme Court….
So if the Supreme Court rules o is NBC, every “Birther” will be satisfied? Bull.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/02/wyoming-man-donates-m-defend-arizona-immigration-law-court/
Wyoming Man Donates $1.5M to Defend Arizona Immigration Law in Court
Just watched Larry Sinclair’s video. It was sad and worrisome! Couldn’t understand what he meant?
http://larrysinclair.com/
oldsalt79 | September 3, 2010 at 5:33 pm |
Maria……………………………………..
You are making an allegation which you have NO proof of. Perhaps you need to reword your statement to say “the only people that I am AWARE of who have juris background” is FREE Speech,and JBJD. The magic words are “AWARE OF”. Please don’t try to speak for all of the commentors when you do not know their backgrounds. I am sure that this is really what you were implying. NO OFFENSE.
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No offense taken, OldSalt. I suspect this is a misunderstanding.
I stated
” IIRC the people with legal training here are Free Speech and JBJD.”
Sorry if I used a common internet acronym assuming it would be understood. That was wrong of me.
It means ‘If I Recall Correctly’, which is I hope you’ll agree not far from the wording you suggested. Of course I would be grateful for any suggestions from others here who have legal training such as Jbjd and Free Speech do, and I never meant to imply otherwise!
Now if you find a damming document in your shoebox, and only you are aware of it, I would suggest that person keep their mouth shut. But if I go public with it, and claim the document states something completely different, then I could very well be challeged in a court to prove it.
BINGO!! Your honor, the prosecution calls no further witnesses.!!
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 12:48 pm |
Free Speech,
My faith in God is strong, it is my faith in man that has shattered. Col Lakin has put his life on the line believing it is our right to question. I believe, he would forgive me for my questioning of him or anyone before I give them my full trust.
Let us stop with the faith assertions…..how many holocaust victims had faith to the end??
How many Romans fed to the lions for entertainment had faith to the end?
Faith without works is just faith.
Observer | September 3, 2010 at 1:19 pm |
“ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 12:52 pm |
But if known evidence, admitted to by O himself, is first presented TO the court, then it just might offer a pathway beyond making the judge appear that is was at his/her instigation to find more evidence that may or may not exist and forcing the blame for any “embarrassment” on the counselor/defense in question. In other words……………
Your Honor, on such and such a date, the defendant stated at a meeting……
Your Honor, in this recorded video of the speech at XXXXXX, the defendant stated …..
Your Honor, in his book, XXXXXX, the defendant states ………………..
This what ya mean by admission by O himself??
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm |
Mark Levin: He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States ……………
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But, isn’t the point here, he isn’t???
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense.
WTH , LOL ……. Now that’s novel…….
Prairie | September 3, 2010 at 1:41 pm |
P.S.
Has everyone seen the newly released, after 9 years of FOIA, footage of 911? Or are you still trusting the media and your government?
!!!!!!!
Prairie, Prairie, Prairie…you forgot to tell them to be sure to notice the huge explosion at the ground level in video 8 just before the bldg. falls!!!
Prairie this one’s better—-8th vid down.
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-31/international-center-911-studies-secures-release-thousands-photos-and-videos-nist
CRIME AND PUNISHMENT SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO STYLE
If you want to see some pics of AZ’s Sheriff Joe’s quarters for prisoners, go
to this SLIDE SHOW:
http://www.newsmax.com/Slideshows/Arizona-s-Tough-Talking-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio/102746/Won-t-Back-Down/1?s=al&promo_code=AAC4-1
This is why he keeps getting re-elected!
JJ | September 3, 2010 at 6:58 pm |
How many Romans fed to the lions for entertainment had faith to the end?
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I don’t know JJ , if I ever found out I was on a lions menu , having faith sure would help and a lot of praying in between the screams of terror .
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense.
WTH , LOL ……. Now that’s novel…….
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No, it isn’t. Some ‘crimes’ or, causes of action, require a different kind of presentation. In the case of a soldier disobeying a direct order, the burden remains on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, the Defendant disobeyed the order. But the presumption is, the order was lawful. The burden is on the Defendant to prove, it wasn’t. (I do not recall whether illegality is an affirmative defense, in other words, ‘I disobeyed a direct order but it’s okay because the order was illegal…’) However, if the Defendant lacks sufficient evidence that would establish his burden of proof and production then, per se, he did not have sufficient evidence to establish, the order he disobeyed was illegal, at the time he disobeyed the order. Instead, he wants the court to help him establish this illegality, after the fact.
The court regularly rules on the scope of Discovery. In this instance, the only purpose of Discovery is to try to establish a fact which should have been ‘establishable’ prior to disobeying the order.
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 2:45 pm |
paralegalnm | September 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
Lind’s denial of discovery concerning Obama’s official vital records follows no Rule of Evidence I know of. Official documents qualify under the Hearsay Exemptions.
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My understanding of the ruling , Lind completely removed the entire eligibility question from the trial , where did I go wrong .
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I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense. That is, when a soldier disobeys a direct order on the grounds that order is illegal; the burden of proof and production is on him or her to establish its illegality. If s/he can only establish the lawfulness of an order with additional information then, this means, s/he possessed insufficient information before disobeying the order so as to establish, it was unlawful.
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JBJD, I have read other places that your analysis is correct regarding the burden of proof being on the defendent. It is logical that in the Military Chain of Command that a soldier who disobey’s an order should have verifiable proof in doing so. If not, then the military would be filled with anarchy and chaos and discipline would break down.
However, Barack Obama is not NBC by virtue of the fact that he was born with dual U.S. (assuming birth in Hawaii, which I don’t believe or not believe at this point) and British citizenship which he still carries to this day due to the British Nationality Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1981. Therefore Lakin should dispute Obama’s NBC status based upon what Obama himself has admitted. I can see a Military Court even kicking that out as it may not be within the scope of a Military Court to define Natural Born Citizen with respect to eligibility.
I’m not sure as I am not an attorney and I am merely trying to look at the situation from a practical perspective.
JBJD, would it be possible for Lakin’s case to move outside of the Military Court’s into the civilian courts (Supreme Court)? If so, how would that happen?
But some enterprising member of the military needs to put himself into a position where Obama himself gives an order to him,
HMMMM,,, didn’t the fraud fire a general and give the position to McChrystal???
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense.
WTH , LOL ……. Now that’s novel…….
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Glad to see I am not the only one who understood how ABSURD jbjd’s mis- statement of the Law is.
s-he obviously knows nothing about discovery in criminal cases. Not only does a defendant have a right to discovery, but the defendant has a right to all exculpatory evidence possessed by the prosecutors of which he does not have knowledge.
That is criminal law 101 (Brady Rule), every law student learns that rule.. The fact that jbjd does not know about the ruling in Brady v. Maryland makes me doubt that s-he ever attended law school.
McCrystal and O were having a heated discussion and O knew the general wasn’t pleased with his performance and told him ,”I bet when I did you’ll pi** on my grave.
McCrystal, without missing a beat, said, “Sir, I told myself when I leave the army, I’ll never stand in another line!!”
I screwed that one up—I bet when I die…oh, forget it!!
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
It makes sense to me that in a military court that the burden of proof would be on the defendent. Discipline is tantamount in the military. But I have never claimed to be an attorney and I am now just “thinking outside of the box”. My goals are the same as yours and I am not disagreeing with you. I am just playing “devil’s advocate” right now in the search for solutions.
Paxson | September 3, 2010 at 8:09 pm |
However, Barack Obama is not NBC by virtue of the fact that he was born with dual U.S. (assuming birth in Hawaii, which I don’t believe or not believe at this point) and British citizenship which he still carries to this day due to the British Nationality Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1981. Therefore Lakin should dispute Obama’s NBC status based upon what Obama himself has admitted.
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Remember Col Lakin filed an Article 138 Complaint which was ignored. Lakin did his duty of due diligence. This case will surely be appealed to the United States Supreme Court. Hopefully by interlocutory appeal.
I don’t know JJ , if I ever found out I was on a lions menu , having faith sure would help and a lot of praying in between the screams of terror .
Agree–faith is crucial…but as my great-nephew would say…they still got ate!!
| September 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm | ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
No, it isn’t. Some ‘crimes’ or, causes of action, require a different kind of presentation.
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Yes , you are correct, I agree , but your argument does not fit this case .
The original crime of fraud and treason was already committed and is on going , for his failure to prove his qualifications , as prescribed by law. The Lakin case should not be in court period . Defendant is being prosecuted for defending his oath and the Constitution , which he was trained to do .
Even a good Lawyer like yourself will have a difficult time defending a Military Kangaroo court with a stacked Jury . Guilty until proven Guilty .
Just my unqualified opinion , please feel free to inform me of my errors.
Thank you.
‘I disobeyed a direct order but it’s okay because the order was illegal…’)
I see the order legal; the problem being the issuer lacks the authority to give the order.
You say to-mah-to….I say to-may-to…..
OK, folks, I am posting something written by a liberal, former ATTORNEY. He was semi-serious, imo, but there is food for thought. I’ve only posted the “witnesses” that seem to have the best outcome.
This is what he says:
“Fly in “Granny Sarah,” a/k/a Sarah Onyango Obama, the lady in the tape recording made by Ron McRae and “Kweli Shuhubia”. She said she was personally there in the room when President Obama was born, in Mombasa, Kenya. (Supposedly.) She’s still alive. She’s still in Nyang’oma Kogelo village. All you need to do is fly her here, put her on the stand at the court martial, put her under oath, get a certified interpreter of the Luo language, and presto! You now have EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY, which is WAY better than a birth certificate in the first place. ”
“ Fly Minister of Lands James Orengo out on the same plane as Granny Sarah, and put him on the stand to testify. He’s a big important official government official in the government of Kenya! He said that President Obama “was born here in Kenya,” yesno? Surely he’d be willing to say that again under oath. ”
“Bring Lucas Smith, put him on the stand, and have him identify and authenticate the “footie” Kenyan birth certificate. He was there in Mombasa, he saw and heard what happened that resulted in them giving him the “footie” B/C … he’s another eyewitness!”
“ Put all those folks on the witness stand, and you’ve created a prima facie case that the president was really born in Coast General Hospital, in Mombasa, in Kenya, in Africa. Then it might FORCE the prosecution to produce President Obama’s long-form, vault copy birth certificate for the court’s inspection.”
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Well, the above, as I say, was written by a liberal, former attorney.
Care to think about it and chew it over? Old Salt, if you’re there, weigh in!!
JJ | September 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm | I don’t know JJ , if I ever found out I was on a lions menu , having faith sure would help and a lot of praying in between the screams of terror .
Agree–faith is crucial…but as my great-nephew would say…they still got ate!!
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Ah , but what was their other option ?.
Paxson | September 3, 2010 at 8:26 pm |
Free Speech | September 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm |
It makes sense to me that in a military court that the burden of proof would be on the defendent. Discipline is tantamount in the military. But I have never claimed to be an attorney and I am now just “thinking outside of the box”. My goals are the same as yours and I am not disagreeing with you. I am just playing “devil’s advocate” right now in the search for solutions.
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A Soldier’s Oath is to uphold the Constitution. How can a Soldier uphold the Oath when a usurper “CiC” is violating the Constitution with every illegal order issued.
Allow me draw the analogy to the Nazi Germany. Should the Soldier load the train car with Jews when he suspects they are being sent to a concentration camp?
Compare that to the Air Force Officers who poison the Gulf of Mexico with corexit or the Army General who deploys troops to Afghanistan upon the order of a usurper whom the General knows to occupy the office of CiC by fraud.
Ultimately which officers will be punished. The ones who followed the illegal orders or the ones who refused to follow illegal orders?
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm |
| September 3, 2010 at 8:07 pm | ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 7:14 pm |
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
No, it isn’t. Some ‘crimes’ or, causes of action, require a different kind of presentation.
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Yes , you are correct, I agree , but your argument does not fit this case .
The original crime of fraud and treason was already committed and is on going , for his failure to prove his qualifications , as prescribed by law. The Lakin case should not be in court period . Defendant is being prosecuted for defending his oath and the Constitution , which he was trained to do .
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Well Stated!
Judge Lind, we responsible adults who insist upon valid, authentic I.D., do not accept “embarrassment” as an excuse to avoid showing said I.D.
In fact, “embarrassment” doesn’t even rank as a GOOD attempt at an excuse, Judge.
In fact, I’ve heard BETTER excuses for refusing to comply with the rules from three year olds.
The law sure does not allow “embarrassment” as a basis for your ruling, either.
Judge, speaking as a citizen by whom you are employed, I conclude that your obvious favoring of one party in the Lakin case reveals your inability to meet the qualification of impartiality in applying the law which the office of judge requires.
All you have proven to us responsible adults in the land is that you absolutely fail to fulfill the responsibilities of a U.S. judge and require removal from the Bench asap.
Every Soldier of Lakin’s Court Martial Panel (Jury) swore to uphold the same Oath that Lakin swore to uphold. How is it that the fact bo fraudulently seized the office of CiC is not relevant to the issue of guilt or innocence in Col Lakin’s case?
Again, it was bo’s unlawful order to deploy additional troops to Afghanistan, Not President Bush’s order, not the Pentagon’s order.
Paxson | September 3, 2010 at 8:09 pm |
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm |
ARMY D.A.V. | September 3, 2010 at 2:45 pm |
paralegalnm | September 3, 2010 at 2:16 pm |
Lind’s denial of discovery concerning Obama’s official vital records follows no Rule of Evidence I know of. Official documents qualify under the Hearsay Exemptions.
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My understanding of the ruling , Lind completely removed the entire eligibility question from the trial , where did I go wrong .
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I have provided legal citations in the past. The mere fact that Defendant requires Discovery to establish his defense disproves that defense. That is, when a soldier disobeys a direct order on the grounds that order is illegal; the burden of proof and production is on him or her to establish its illegality. If s/he can only establish the lawfulness of an order with additional information then, this means, s/he possessed insufficient information before disobeying the order so as to establish, it was unlawful.
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JBJD, I have read other places that your analysis is correct regarding the burden of proof being on the defendent. It is logical that in the Military Chain of Command that a soldier who disobey’s an order should have verifiable proof in doing so. If not, then the military would be filled with anarchy and chaos and discipline would break down.
However, Barack Obama is not NBC by virtue of the fact that he was born with dual U.S. (assuming birth in Hawaii, which I don’t believe or not believe at this point) and British citizenship which he still carries to this day due to the British Nationality Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_Act_1981. Therefore Lakin should dispute Obama’s NBC status based upon what Obama himself has admitted. I can see a Military Court even kicking that out as it may not be within the scope of a Military Court to define Natural Born Citizen with respect to eligibility.
I’m not sure as I am not an attorney and I am merely trying to look at the situation from a practical perspective.
JBJD, would it be possible for Lakin’s case to move outside of the Military Court’s into the civilian courts (Supreme Court)? If so, how would that happen?
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Where in all of this does Lt Col Lakin obey his oath to protect and defend the Constitution?
Lakin sees Obama admit on his fight the smears website that he was born with British citizenship, and subject to the British nationality act of 1948. Given that the commander in chief must be a natural born citizen of the USA. Lakin puts two and two together and figures out that Obama cannot be commander in chief. Time to obey the oath he took to protect and defend the Constitution. It’s not about the various individuals such as Lakin, and Obama, it is about the Constitution, it must be protected and defended, from enemies, foreign and domestic.
Last word on Lakin…
If Lt. Col. Lakin’s defense rests on the fact, BO is not a NBC; then, in order to prevail, he must establish he knew BO was not a NBC at the time he refused to obey a direct order, and not after such refusal and only with the help of the court.
As for BO’s ‘admission’ he was born a dual citizen; any analysis as to whether this ‘admission,’ per se, means he is not a NBC; AND whether, not being a NBC, he was not lawfully elected POTUS, are political/legal questions outside of the scope of Discovery.
In other words, even assuming BO is not a NBC; that he was illegally elected; and that he is not the CiC, all of which can be established through documents that could be Discovered by order of the court; none of this will exonerate Lt. Col. Lakin in this case, unless he can establish, he knew all of this at the time he disobeyed orders.
http://jbjd.org/2010/04/10/courage-of-conviction/
jbjd | September 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm |
Last word on Lakin…
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More Nonsense. Col Lakin met his burden when he filed the Article 138 Complaint. His commanding officer failed to meet his burden. SCOTUS will have the final say not judge lind.
bob strauss | September 3, 2010 at 9:21 pm |
Lakin sees Obama admit on his fight the smears website that he was born with British citizenship, and subject to the British nationality act of 1948. Given that the commander in chief must be a natural born citizen of the USA. Lakin puts two and two together and figures out that Obama cannot be commander in chief. Time to obey the oath he took to protect and defend the Constitution. It’s not about the various individuals such as Lakin, and Obama, it is about the Constitution, it must be protected and defended, from enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Well Stated.
Cyber,
It appears that Sinclair is transferring copyright of the book to all those who invested in Sinclair Publishing, which now has been liquidated. So whomever contributed gets a percentage of the rights to the book. Smart move by Sinclair, because now copyright is owned by a large number of people, and it will be difficult for any judge to enforce actions against such a disparate group of people in the case that Parisi prevails. This is also why Sinclair said that he is sorry if people are or will get hurt, because if Parisi wins he will then have the legal authority to go after each and every one of these copyright holders in tort actions. But it is not likely that Parisi would do this. Simply too costly. Sinclair knows his sh*t, even as a pro se litigant.
What if Lakin’s defense is that O is not currently even a citizen – that matter of adoption? Can a judge readily and easily dismiss that document of name change/adoption? Why then wouldn’t the onus be upon the one needing to prove some kind of present U.S. citizenship following that inconvenient and public document if and when presented? You want to get beyond the NBC issue? Then move a little further on in that personal history. Duh!
Again, the wrong approach has once again been utilized to another clueless court needing to be educated about another direction that probably hasn’t even entered its mind. The defense needs to teach the court through what is already available, not ask the court to find the evidence to proceed.
To Everyone,
I complained several times to CW that the constant personal> attacks hurled at me by Leo the Lawyer aka Free Speech made visiting his blog onerous. Indeed, even while blogs like NoQuarter have invited me to cross-post my articles, I have to endure personalized invectives from a commenter on this blog. CW evidently determined to ignore my complaints. Well, it’s his blog.
So, I curtailed my visits here. Now, after an extended absence, I posted again. And again, Leo/FS hurls his insults. I absolutely understand people have personal problems that manifest on the blogs. I am just sick and tired of posting my comments in such a hostile environment.
Please, in the future, direct any questions you want answered to my blog.
Not my last word on LTC Lakin , I can assure you ,JBJD. , not until he’s cleared of charges and released , I will never forget , and I will never give up , he is my brother .
L10 Freedom Ride starts at 10 tomorrow morning, Sept. 4th. That’s 11:00 EST, 9:00 Mountain Time, 8:00 Pacific Time, 7:00 a.m. Alaskan Time and 5:00 a.m in Hawaii.
Prayer at that time and at any time throughout the rest of the day will be fantastic.
Greater convictions are automatically appealed to a court of military review, which considers matters of fact and law. Consisting largely of higher-ranking military judges, these courts exist for each branch of the military and have a total of 31 appellate military judges. The Uniform Code of Military Justice requires them to review serious sentences such as confinement of one year or more, dishonorable discharge, or dismissal of officers or cadets. Sentences to general officers and flag officers are also reviewed automatically. In all cases, defendants are granted free counsel for their appeals.
At the next level, the Court of Military Appeals—composed of five civilian judges who are appointed by the president of the United States—may decide to hear any petition from an unsuccessful appeal to a court of military review.
Finally, once military remedies have been exhausted, federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, will review a court-martial conviction for claims of denial of constitutional rights.
Read more: Court-Martial – Further Readings, Any Last Words? The Evolution Of The Court-martial http://law.jrank.org/pages/5821/Court-Martial.html#ixzz0yWRYmofh
SPC William Hunsaker, one of the L10, and his family are from MO.
Support for SPC Hunsaker in his home state can be directed to
http://www.house.mo.gov/member.aspx
http://www.senate.mo.gov/10info/senalpha.htm
The military really messed these guys over, that is, the L10 – actually, the L8 since 2 have already been released. The conduct of their cases needs review and investigation. BIG stench in that department . .
Observer – 9:44 PM
“Again, the wrong approach has once again been utilized to another clueless court needing to be educated about another direction that probably hasn’t even entered its mind. The defense needs to teach the court through what is already available, not ask the court to find the evidence to proceed.”
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You know, after mulling all of this over in my mind today, I believe that last sentence above hits it on the head. Instead of Lakin’s requesting discovery in hopes that he would get access to requested records to prove that BHO is not legitimate, he should rather gather together all of the information he DOES have access to to show why he KNOWS the usurper is not legitimate.
There is a lot of info out there. Some is better than other.
Isn’t the crux of the case this: that Lakin believes BHO to be illegitimate and that is why he has refused to obey orders. Then it appears he must provide the information that makes him “know” that BHO is not qualified, to the best of Lakin’s ability. Let the chips fall where they may. He might win on that basis, but we know from yesterday’s ruling he is NOT going to win if he doesn’t change course.
May God grant him and his lawyers wisdom. They are going to need it.
From my layman’s perspective, and I am playing devil’s advocate here, the only body that can decide this for Lakin is the Supreme Court. But he has to get off of the birth certificate. He disobeyed an order because of speculation. The Military Court is going to assume that Barack Obama is a NBC because he was certified in all 50 states, through Congress and then sworn in by the Supreme Court. Lakin is asking for items that the Military Court should assume would have satisfied all of those bodies that I mentioned.
I think, and this is just me thinking, that if he would have attacked the issue that Obama is not NBC because he was born with dual citizenship (that he admitted to) and cited the various cases that support the definition of NBC that his chance would have been better. Even then, the Military Court still may not have listened because they would assume that the civilian bodies should have thoroughly vetted Obama’s eligibility prior to swearing him in.
Again, my layman’s perspective is that if this case goes to the Supreme Court it will be ruled upon some narrow version of law such as “does a military officer have the right to ask for discovery when disobeying an order when the facts are ambiguous, ” as the facts are ambiguous to all of us. Except the dual citizenship, which Obama has admitted to.
Where I think that this court is letting us down is that they aren’t even allowing the information into the case that is already known in the public sphere. A much better case would be trying to prove fraud against the President with respect to the COLB that was posted on line, Tim Adam’s testimony etc. But it appears that this will never happen and I’m not sure that Lakin ever presented Polarik’s analysis as a reason why he disobeyed his orders. As far as I can tell, he disobeyed orders merely speculating that Obama did not provide the necessary documentation to be POTUS and he suspects that he may not be NBC. From a military justice perspective that is not good enough as it is not in their realm to decide a fact that is the duty of the civilian political system.
It is my opinion, and I am just a layman non-attorney, that this case is going to end up on the trash bin of history with the rest of them. Do I agree with it? No.
Unless members of Congress stand up, this eligibility issue is going nowhere until 2012 when some states with balls force him to finally show eligibility in order to get on the ballots. But I bet he doesn’t run because of this.
Just my opinions and I am certainly no legal expert. I want the same results as everybody. For the NBC issue to be settled once and for all so this country can move on. Does this mean that I don’t believe that a massive fraud has been played on the American people? No. I absolutely believe that it has. But I can no longer hang my hat on waiting for some judge, somewhere, to rule in the country’s favor.
ARMY D.A.V. 9:53 PM
Not my last word on LTC Lakin , I can assure you ,JBJD. , not until he’s cleared of charges and released , I will never forget , and I will never give up , he is my brother .
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Absolutely!!!
Gianni..thanks alot for explaining Larry’s situation. We all need to continue supporting those that faught for the truth. The Judical system is beyond corrupt. There will be more blood on the streets at the rate they are going. We need a class action against the media. Soon it will be time to bring our youth into this battle for their future.(School has started, and next week for others) Nothing like going to bus stops, ask the kids to ask their teachers to teach the constitution, and they have a desire to go to the congressional archives. ( I will volunteer as teacher assistant) 🙂
orders from pentagon
what a cop out
the pentagon is under the executive branch
and the buck stops at obama, he said so himself, defacto
the orders come from obama
the line of illogic is bunk, sorry to say
again use obama’s own words and the set up of the executive
branch against this dufus judge
oops..A Field Trip..if they still have those…also stop bye the hospital and shake a real heros hand, Lt. Col. Lakins.
bob strauss | September 3, 2010 at 9:21 pm |
Where in all of this does Lt Col Lakin obey his oath to protect and defend the Constitution?
Lakin sees Obama admit on his fight the smears website that he was born with British citizenship, and subject to the British nationality act of 1948. Given that the commander in chief must be a natural born citizen of the USA. Lakin puts two and two together and figures out that Obama cannot be commander in chief. Time to obey the oath he took to protect and defend the Constitution. It’s not about the various individuals such as Lakin, and Obama, it is about the Constitution, it must be protected and defended, from enemies, foreign and domestic.
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Bob, I 100% agree with you and Lakin is a National Hero. But how is this going to get resolved? Unless dozens, hundreds, thousands or more like him that are actively serving stand with him I, unfortunately, think that this one man standing up for all of us is going to be swatted aside by the corrupt system that is in place as we speak.
Nobody vetted Obama’s eligibility. That much we all know. The system was abused, circumvented, massaged and disregarded by every single person who had the authority at the time in 2008 to stand up and ask for proof and/or clarification as to what the definition of an NBC is in these United States of America.
We were f.cked. But now we know and we will never let it happen again.
In the mean time, how does Lakin get his day in court?
Paxson 10:33 PM
You laid out the case very well, imo. I don’t know about the Supreme Court even taking the case, however. The justices are very selective as to which ones they hear.
I can see where it may have not been the best choice to request the info (that we all want to hear,btw) through discovery but rather present the evidence that is available about the dual citizenship and then proceed to prove BHO’s failure to meet the NBC requirements on that basis. Query: would Lakin even be allowed to present his own findings if it had anything to do with the eligibility problem, considering how this is such an untouchable issue with the courts? It seems that the entire justice system has predetermined not to address anything to do with this vital matter. This is becoming very persuasive as a conspiracy.
I wonder what Lind’s marital status is? Could she be a closeted lesbian in favor of Obama’s stated policy objectives with regard to homosexuals in the military? How did she end up with this case? Was this case steered towards her? What are her politics? Just questions that I am asking aloud, I have no proof of anything, have not heard anything, nor done any research that would make me wonder this. I’m just thinking aloud. She’s just a bit too canned…….
Paxson | September 3, 2010 at 10:58 pm |
Let’s hope SCOTUS comes to the rescue of Lakin and ends this crisis. It doesn’t look like Lind is going to help him.
At any rate, I’m going to bed. I was a bit verbose tonight and I already see some flaws in my arguments. But I’m not an attorney, as I said. Lakin is a national hero and I don’t want anybody to think that I don’t think otherwise. I’m just trying to be realistic when I look at things now. I have spent far too long lamenting our country’s predicament and wishing that the truth would surface in a place that matters to do something about it on a hope and prayer.
November is here soon. We need to get out the vote and get it out huge. Issa is sharpening his knives, is too rich to be bought, and is going to fight for all of us.
Commentor Abby quoting an explanation of ‘Embarrassment’ over at court-martial.com
“The phrase “embarass”… is a term of art by legal entities where they acknowledge the seperation between co-equal jurisdictions.
Specifically it means, in this case, a re-iteration that the judicial branch has no right or authority to delve into another entities business, specifically political questions on the Presidents legitimacy which are reserved exclusively to Congress.”
http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakins-defense-crushed-in-detail/
Political Shockwaves
Well Sam Ervin-I think Watergate is slipping into second place-sometimes to understand present history/crimes/abuse of power/illegalities from the gov’t you have to step back and look to history. I think comparing Nixon/Obama-Nixon had a lot more finesse, but the crimes against the Constitutional Republic remain the same. After looking over this article I am amazed at the amount of lying and cover-ups then-same as now, so many people involved too-good guys/bad guys.
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/nixon.htm
“Whether ours shall continue to be a government of laws and not of men is now for Congress and ultimately the American people,” Archibald Cox stated after his firing.
The arrest of the Watergate burglars marked the beginning of a long chain of events in which President Nixon and his top aides became deeply involved in an extensive coverup of the break-in and other White House sanctioned illegal activities.
The minute-by-minute events of the “Saturday Night Massacre” were covered live by stunned reporters on network television starting about 8:30 p.m. and sent a political shockwave throughout America that led to immediate calls for impeachment.
During a feisty question and answer period he maintained his innocence, stating, “… in all of my years in public life I have never obstructed justice…People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I’m not a crook.”
“…I think that the Watergate tragedy is the greatest tragedy this country has ever suffered. I used to think that the Civil War was our country’s greatest tragedy, but I do remember that there were some redeeming features in the Civil War in that there was some spirit of sacrifice and heroism displayed on both sides. I see no redeeming features in Watergate.” — Senator Sam Ervin.
Here is another take on the ‘Embarrassment’ statement
http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-is-spinning/
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2010/09/03/will-the-doj-end-up-suing-half-the-country/
Over Immigration policies? Well, if a lot of people currently running for office win, I guess the DOJ will just have to since they all want to implement an Arizona-style immigration law. Yes, fully twenty-two (22) states are looking to incorporate Arizona’s law on their own books, as the report below highlights
Philo-Publius | September 3, 2010 at 11:42 pm |
Commentor Abby quoting an explanation of ‘Embarrassment’ over at court-martial.com
“The phrase “embarass”… is a term of art by legal entities where they acknowledge the seperation between co-equal jurisdictions.
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Earlier today I touched on the meaning of “embarrass” as being different in a legal sense, but this and the other reference you gave reinforces this point.
What it seems to come down to is this: Each branch of government shoves the issue over to another branch, so that consequently no branch takes responsibility. In other words, the buck does NOT stop with anyone. How convenient for the Usurper! The buck is going to have to stop with We the People.
Imagine this for Lt Col Lakin-a petition signed by his fellow Americans nominating him for the Profiles in Courage Award-one million to ten million signatures would get DC’s attention. I believe Lt Col Lakin more than fits the criteria. http://www.jfklibrary.org/Education+and+Public+Programs/Profile+in+Courage+Award/Award+Criteria+and+Eligibility.htm
Senator John F. Kennedy in his Senate Office, August 1959.In Profiles in Courage, President Kennedy told the stories of eight United States senators who risked their careers by standing up for particular ideals or principles, even when constituents or powerful interest groups pressured them to bend.
•Individuals at all levels of government—federal, state and local—are eligible for the award.
•Emphasis will be placed on contemporary acts of political courage.
Found this over at Leo Donofrio’s site Natural Born Citizen.
Oral Argument Canceled – Appeal Dismissed in SDNY
Posted in Uncategorized on September 3, 2010 by naturalborncitizen
On August 30, 2010, Judge Hellerstein suddenly dismissed the Chrysler Dealers’ appeal in the Southern District of New York thereby also canceling, for the second time, the oral argument that he ordered sua sponte. Judge Hellerstein’s opinion contains legal and factual errors. Steve and I will be entering an appeal in the 2d Circuit.
Leo Donofrio
Pidgeon & Donofrio GP
bob strauss @ 12:08 am | I didn’t know what sua sponte meant so I looked it up.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=2032
sua sponte
: (sooh-uh spahn-tay) adj. Latin for “of one’s own will,” meaning on one’s own volition, usually referring to a judge’s order made without a request by any party to the case. These include an order transferring a case to another judge due to a conflict of interest or the judge’s determination that his/her court does not have jurisdiction over the case.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=199001
Michelle | September 4, 2010 at 12:12 am |
bob strauss @ 12:08 am | I didn’t know what sua sponte meant so I looked it up.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=2032
sua sponte
: (sooh-uh spahn-tay) adj. Latin for “of one’s own will,” meaning on one’s own volition, usually referring to a judge’s order made without a request by any party to the case. These include an order transferring a case to another judge due to a conflict of interest or the judge’s determination that his/her court does not have jurisdiction over the case.
Michelle, it seems the more these judges find out about these eligibility cases the faster they run away from them, including SCOTUS. Nobody wants to touch this issue so they dodge it and say the hell with my oath that I took.
Maria………………………………………..
For a two year period after my discharge from the US Navy I had thought that LAW enforcement might be something for me. I pursued police academy training and after graduation served as a Deputy Sherriff.,all before returning to my home state. After a year and a half of standing over prisoners in an extremely boring courtroom I finally decided that it was not for me, resigned,and returned to Indiana ,and followed in my father’s footsteps. Until my resignation I was attending Law school, at night under the GI bill. while I did not complete the course I did manage to learn a little, and throughout the interim years, it has served me well many times over.
Old Salt – If you’re around, I left a comment at 8:49 PM that I wish you would read and see what your thoughts are, if you can and care to. Thanks.
bob strauss 12:27 PM
Michelle, it seems the more these judges find out about these eligibility cases the faster they run away from them, including SCOTUS
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Exactly! The more we see of these cases the more weight there is to “conspiracy” – hard to prove, but certainly seems apparent?
Just returned from being unavailable and found you have all been busy. What struck me the most is that if the judge’s “decree” that orders come from Pentagon not President is allowed to stand, then 99% of the comments on this thread are irrelevant – “moot”.
Maybe we ought to focus more effort on understanding if she can legally state that and make it stick. As long as that comment is sitting there, it removes Obama/Soetoro, and anything about him, from the game. It seems like the game is now 100% on the relation of Lakin and the Pentagon and whether he had any reason to disobey their orders.
OR – is this good news? Is the judges statement such an egregious abuse of facts and common sense, that it leaves the door wide open for Lakin to appeal or maybe it provides fodder for his interlocutory?
AT IT AGAIN!
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Citizen Carlyle 2:28 AM
OR – is this good news? Is the judges statement such an egregious abuse of facts and common sense, that it leaves the door wide open for Lakin to appeal or maybe it provides fodder for his interlocutory?
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This seems plausible. How can it be ruled that the Pentagon is the ultimate source of orders? That is absurd and unconstitutional, but, of course, that doesn’t seem to matter much anymore, does it? You must be burning the midnight oil!
I think this is a complete looksee at where we are, written by Steve Cooper.
Remember Hillary sat on the Walmart board…
We are dealing with some dangerous Marxist revolutionaries that are loyally obeying and following the orders of the Marxist elite. The average person can not even comprehend the first sentence of this editorial and that is why we are in more danger than you can even imagine in your wildest dreams.
Our enemies have studied Mao, Lenin, Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Castro and they are so good, they are making Hugo Chavez look like an amateur. Everything is falling into place, including the deception, because many people have no idea what is about to hit them. This is not about Obama,this war against Capitalism really started 100 years ago by Antonio Gramsci and Vladimir Lenin with their theories of infiltration and deception to destroy capitalism and the west.
The capitalist system is so deeply infiltrated; it can never repaired in my opinion. It has to be rebuilt all over again after the Marxist elite controlling it are arrested. Many “useful idiots” would have to be arrested after, because they will arrest the conservatives if we do not grab them first. All capitalists and conservatives have to be eliminated, this is how Marxist revolutions work and this is what we are facing via liberal fascism. Fascism with a smiley face, so you lower your guard. This is how our enemies are beating us. This is not about Democrat vs. Republican; this is American Patriots vs.International Marxists.
The left always tried to portray the Capitalist system as broken to further sell their socialist agenda to the people. This is why they block the police from removing homeless people to shelters, because they use them as props on the street for all to see. They want kids having sex young, turning against religion and doing drugs. They promote the gay agenda, abortion and Marxism to impressionable kids (for the purpose of population control), because they see their minds as blank slates for their propaganda and AGENDA.
It is even more dangerous for us, since they (the left) have control of all of the military and espionage toys. I am not giving up nor telling you to give up hope, this is what I see…the system has to be economically rebuilt again. It was poisoned from within.
After everything that I have told a sick relative about the Marxists in charge, in the next breath she says that “she will call Nancy Pelosi”about the problems she is having with Medicare. I looked at her with amazement; I could not believe that she still does not see the big picture yet. That Nancy Pelosi would love to cut her health care out totally, because she is not seen as someone essential to their agenda,she is OLD. It is frightening that Americans are so damn complacent;they think that fascism can not happen here. I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard the words, “That can’t happen here”. It is happening here…THEY are running the show. Freedom is not guaranteed to anyone and these people want to take it away from me and YOU.
The American Marxist progressives are also trying to make the American people battle weary of wars that can not be won, because they are constantly undermining them. Afghanistan is their pet project now after 6 years of undermining the Iraq war. They are aiding our enemies and have been for a very long time and this is being done via the media,the Internet, the Progressive movement and academia. The real goal of the American progressive is to destroy capitalism, the economy, the U.S. Military, the CIA, the FBI, American traditions, Religion and the traditional family. They are doing this so they can remold society into their very own Marxist utopia.
They want to weaken us to the point that we would have no choice, but to surrender to a world Marxist government and a more powerful Russia and China. This is more deception, we can crush them, but they will not allow it (Obama and his Marxist Buddies). They want to make a deal for our surrender, so they can share world power with Russia and China;avoiding a world war. This is why Obama wants to dismantle nukes as the Russians and China are frantically building up their war machines. Russia and China are not looking to share world domination with these lightweight liberals. They are betraying us and killing themselves in the process.
They obstruct CIA interrogations, they refuse to allow the drilling for oil, they force banks to give out loans to unqualified people (to undermine the banking system), leaking military secrets to the media(during the Bush years) and the dismantling our nukes during WARTIME.The left are systematically dismantling our will to defend ourselves,capitalism and national security all at once. This is an all out assault against America and the American people.
The media distracts us with “balloon boy” instead of how we are on the fast track to communism. Go shopping or finish watching the game, you do not need to know about the war against Capitalism by the global elite and their puppets in BOTH parties and in the media. The Republicans are not speaking out right now, so they are part of the problem if they are not SPEAKING OUT.
For years the left called people like me crazy, but that is also a tactic that was used in the Soviet Union too. Silence anyone that opposes their agenda by attacking them personally. This is right out of Saul Alinsky’s book “Rules for Radicals”.
What is the lesson they are trying to teach the American people? War is not the answer, so it is not worth resisting becoming socialists any longer; just accept it and the wars will end. Karl Marx said “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism”. There will be no peace until socialism prevails over capitalism, so accept it and there will be no more wars. The American conservatives will NEVER ACCEPT IT.
This is why most leftists are anti-war protesters; they get joy out of helping fellow fascists and Marxists over evil capitalists. They love when American blood spills, because they use it as propaganda against our military.
Since the end of WWII, the U.S. Military has been fighting to stop the spread communism around the globe, but the battle plan changed after the “staged” collapse of the Soviet Union. That was the whole idea, to make Americans think that communism was dead so we would lower our guard, but that of course was all deception and lies. (Google KGB defector Anatoly Golitsyn and JR Nyquist for more on this complex and covert plan to crush America).
Then mysteriously we have a new enemy, Al Qaeda. See how convenient it was to suddenly lose one enemy (The Soviet Union) and then gain a new enemy practically over night that was not affiliated with Russia in anyway? We are NOT just fighting a bare foot Muslim in a cave. Al Qaeda is phantom enemy, so Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea, Pakistan, Venezuela and Syria can fight us with an ‘invisible hand’.
Libya is joining the party also, judging by their recent massive and secretive arm sales from Russia. Brazil and Cuba also have close ties to the Russians, but that is kept low key, because they do not want the American people to see them as a threat…yet.
More deception…
A quote from the text of Viktor Suvorov’s Spetsnaz.
[Widespread terrorist and sabotage operations in advance of World War III] are known officially in the GRU as the “preparatory period,” and unofficially as the “overture.” The overture is a series of large and small operations the purpose of which is, before actual military operations begin, to weaken the enemy’s morale, create an atmosphere of suspicion, fear and uncertainty, and divert the attention of the enemy’s armies and police forces to a huge number of different targets,each of which may be the object of the next attack.
The overture is carried out by agents of the secret services of the Soviet satellite countries and by mercenaries recruited by intermediaries. The principal method employed at this stage is “gray terror,” that is, a kind of terror which is not conducted in the name of the Soviet Union. The Soviet secret services do not at this stage leave their visiting cards, or leave other people’s cards. The terror is carried out in the name of already existing extremist groups not connected in any way with the Soviet Union, or in the name of fictitious organizations.
Is Al Qaeda a Kremlin Proxy? http://www.jrnyquist.com/nyquist_2005_0813.htm
The left screamed about Saddam during the 90′s but they did nothing,because they lack the real guts to make any decision that is difficult.The Democrats voted for the Iraq war and they also declared that Saddam had WMD’s, Bush did not plant this idea in their heads. This intel was well known by the entire world, but they are traitors and saboteurs and they are being assisted by the traitors and saboteurs in the media to cover up their numerous counts of treason.
It is also well known that the Russians moved Saddams WMD’s prior to the invasion to Syria, so that Bush and the US Military would be embarrassed. This was one of Bush’s biggest mistakes, because he should have called out the Russians on this, but he did not want to start WW III.
I believe Bush made a deal with Putin for his 2004 election endorsement in exchange for Bush not telling the world that Putin and the Russians moved the WMD’s to Syria. This is just my theory, I have no proof, but Putin DID endorse Bush over Kerry.
The LEFTISTS in the congress and senate voted for the Iraq war and then they undermined it for political gain. Their treason has caused the deaths of countless American soldiers and their blood is on the hands of the Democrats that betrayed them. The Soros Marxist agenda was more important than the blood of American soldiers. These terrorists that call themselves American politicians are lucky that I have no power,because I would punish them with no mercy if I could.
If any analyst on the news says “Russia has no money and they are weak”, you know that they are part of the lying communists that are covering up the assault against Capitalism. That is really what 9/11was all about, it was the start of the war against capitalism by the global Marxists to spread out our military and drain us financially.This is why the American left waited a few years after 9/11 passed to then publicly defend and protect the Muslim terrorists any chance they could. Whether it was in the media or in a court room, they are standing by their side…not yours.
I wish that we could turn back the clock, so I can tell the thousands of people that read The Conservative Monster.com daily that we will prevail, we will be okay…but I can not. This will be the greatest battle against tyranny in the history of the world. The Marxists,radical Muslims and Satan are allied against US. They are doing Satan’s work.
The Marxists are so deeply infiltrated into the U.S. Government, the congress, the senate, the media, academia and Hollywood that this is irreversible. The kids have been dumbed down and brainwashed by teachers with an agenda to assist our enemies from within to dismantle capitalism. Their allegiance is with Marxism, not the USA. They have put their ideology ahead of their country, they are traitors.
This could take an entire generation to reverse the Marxist brainwashing on the youth of America and time is NOT on our side.
Found this comment over there, thought it was worth bringing over.
http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-is-spinning/
justasking 09.04.10 at 04:08
Please educate me. I’m at a loss to understand your line explanation because this is a court martial of an individual, Lt. Col Lakin. The actions of this court, in absolutely no way, can remove a sitting POTUS, as it has NO jurisdiction over a sitting POTUS, as the Judge has stated and you have eloquently agreed. However, this is a rather ‘silly’ position since everyone is in agreement. What isn’t in agreement, because the evidence has not been allowed, is if Lt. Col Lakin acted correctly to avoid an illegal order. Evidence released that could ‘clear’ Lt. Col Lakin in no way would result in removal of a sitting POTUS without due process. Removal of an ‘ursurper’ is not outlined within the Constitution, but suffice to say that the SCOTUS and Congress must take some mutual efforts here. Thus, in no way does discovery of obviously defense relevant evidence to ‘provide best defense’ remove any power from other branches of government as this court martial only has jurisdiction over Lt. Col. Lakin.
Your arguement, and that of the judge, is a ‘straw man’. Politically motivated and intended to divert attention and deny the right of the accused to evidence to ‘prove’ his innocence. I would put forth, that discovery of Obama’s records will not in anyway prevent the military prosecutors from defending the position that orders come from the Pentagon, and not derived from the consent and power of the POTUS. This ruling by the judge is an ‘embarressment’ as it clearly re-defines the Constitution, or at a minimum completely re-interprets it, which should be the SCOTUS domain.
What I see is an attempt to prevent this soldier from obtaining due process, by a judge whom has already ‘embarressed’ the SCOTUS and now is attempting to ‘cover’ for a severe military error, by preventing simple discovery. The military error was that the USMC didn’t seek to explore if Lt. Col Lakin’s claim was correct.
Justasking
oldsalt79 | September 4, 2010 at 1:01 am | Maria………………………………………..
For a two year period after my discharge from the US Navy I had thought that LAW enforcement might be something for me. I pursued police academy training and after graduation served as a Deputy Sherriff.,all before returning to my home state. After a year and a half of standing over prisoners in an extremely boring courtroom I finally decided that it was not for me, resigned,and returned to Indiana ,and followed in my father’s footsteps. Until my resignation I was attending Law school, at night under the GI bill. while I did not complete the course I did manage to learn a little, and throughout the interim years, it has served me well many times over
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OldSalt you’ve led such a productive, interesting and varied life! You put me to shame! There are so many people here who understand Law far better than me, and again I didn’t mean to ‘diss’ anyone by only mentioning ‘Free Speech’ and ‘Jbjd’ in that regard.
I’m going to follow the links provided here to the military justice ‘blogs’, too, to see what they have to say.
I hope you are still enjoying precious time with your grandchildren, Old Salt, and if they are old enough, telling them about your years of Service.
jane | September 4, 2010 at 6:06 am |
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Wow, this reads like a completely wacko tin hat thing – AND YET – – –
At least 95% of the facts he lays out are known to be true. And if you connect the dots – well – there you are! I’m always looking for explanations that “make sense”. They all leave me cold and hungry. This explanation feels right.
But it raises a very interesting question. Why are “they”? Who did this to us? Is it a grass roots movement of idealists and infantiles? Is it a visible enemy, say, KGB? Putin? Is it a secret organization, say, CFR? Bilderburgers? Is it some totally off–the-charts cabal? Elders? Bankers? Zionists?
Who are the chess pieces and who are the players. It is obvious Zero is a pawn. I don’t think it is Muslims – they have a different agenda and are just opportunists taking advantage of the confusion and chaos.
One also wonders about the erosion and perversion of our constitution. Yeah it sits there on a pedestal but has been ignored and “interpreted” to a ridiculous level. Major aspects of the Federal Government have been blatantly unconstitutional since at least 1913. Is this simply a case of “road to hell paved with good intentions” or has the evolution been guided and directed?
Wow. Such huge and important questions. Now that the sleeping giant is being awakened, maybe we can get some traction for sorting this all out?
Ever hopeful, but still the skeptic – – –
Bill Cutting | September 4, 2010 at 7:35 am |
http://court-martial-ucmj.com/lakin-2/ltc-lakin-is-spinning/
justasking 09.04.10 at 04:08
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Very sane and reasonable.
Everybody wants to parse the gnats and twist the words.
I could use some sane and reasonable right now.
I have always wondered why this has to be so hard.
Should be easy. Just ask and receive.
CabbyAZ…………………………
Your reasoning is great. Unfortunately since this is international simply getting these people to agree to fly here,then testify AGAINST their own flesh and/or blood would be a monumental, if not impossible task. Then even if such a venture would be possible you would first have to have a written and signed committment with a Federal judge that he WILL allow any and all discovery, including ALL foreign witnesses. If you can find such a judge then you need to make his/her name available first to Col. Lakin, then to everyone who has filed suit against Soetoro, and had their actions thrown out. I applaud you for advancing the idea. Keep digging, sooner or later we will uncover the smoking CANNON.
Maria…………………………….
First of all I thoroughly enjoy having my GREAT grandchildren over for about 6 hours three times each week. It is a tonic for me I feel as though I might be able to plant a seed of interest which will take them far in their lives. Given the conditions into which they were born, it seems as though as they progress into adulthood they will need every ounce of their ability to reason,and recognise right from wrong. Hopefully they will choose to be entrepreneurs. I constantly talk to them about God,and honesty. My grandson takes them to church regularly and also talks to them about God. They are members of the Baptist Church.
When my first wife passed away, for a time I was near the brink of the abyss. I had no idea how to handle everything. The boys were alredy teenagers. My oldest son sort of took over and said it’s OK dad just do what you need to do. Had it not been for him I might have jumped into the abyss. He became my right hand man. He started pretty young at managing the plant for awhile. It was his time to shine, and he shined brilliantly. Between him and my senior pressman the work got done. We were contracted to DOD at the time for 300,000, printed pages per month. My son already knew enough about the contract and picked up for me when I needed to visit the cemetery. The only thing I could do was let it out and tell her how much I missed her. We had been together for 22 years at the time of her death. Sadly I spent more time away from home than I did at home. I was still going to school at nights and operating the printing plant during the day. It wasn’t easy. Some people thought I was crazy. When you lose a spouse after 22 years residual feelings linger for many years.