Blagojevich throws Obama under bus, Citizen Wells open thread.
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Citizen WElls 
Well, the usurper has thrown Blago and the rest of his cronies from Chicago under the bus, so bo deserves the same treatment that he has given them. What goes around comes around.
from a blogger at zerohedge.com
“I lived in Chile during the Pinochet dictatorship—I can spot a fascist police-state when I see one. The United States is a fascist police-state. Harsh words—incendiary, even. And none too clever of me, to use such language: Time was, the crazies and reactionaries wearing tin-foil hats who flung around such a characterization of the United States were disqualified by sensible people as being hysterical nutters—rightfully so. A police-state uses the law as a mechanism to control any challenges to its power by the citizenry, rather than as a mechanism to insure a civil society among the individuals. The state decides the laws, is the sole arbiter of the law, and can selectively (and capriciously) decide to enforce the law to the benefit or detriment of one individual or group or another. In a police-state, the citizens are “free” only so long as their actions remain within the confines of the law as dictated by the state. If the individual’s claims of rights or freedoms conflict with the state, or if the individual acts in ways deemed detrimental to the state, then the state will repress the citizenry, by force if necessary. (And in the end, it’s always necessary.)”
yo…………………………………………………….
Yea to you! I couldn’t have said it better.
Hopefully now that the gang is under the bus lets see if we can jack up the bus real high then let it drop free fall a few times …….just to add a little emphasis to our intent. Probably wouldn’t hurt to add a little expletive as well ……….helps vent built up anger. I know a lot of them. I used to be a sailor!
Press Bill Press to earn his press credentials. Don’t let him continue to give away free political advertising disguised as news. http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/press-bill-press/
jbjd // June 26, 2010 at 9:14 am
jbjd,
Good work…
Toda,
Benaiah
Widow of Houston Officer Killed by Illegal Immigrant ‘Shocked’ at ICE Appointment
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yo // June 26, 2010 at 8:49 am
No doubt under bo there is a Police State.
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
If Patriots don’t start convening Grand Juries in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Illinois, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama etc. we will be under the complete control of Terrorist Totalitarian Regime.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
I read the election fraud memo posted at JBJD, which was directed to the Hawaii AG. After thinking about the words for awhile it appears that even then the “protection circle” already existed. This brings us back to the DNC and MMMSSS. IMPORTANT. The courts alreadyhad to know of this as well. I call this CONSPIRACY.
I don’t think we have too long to wait now. If you look at the pictures from Toronto and the love for the USURPER as shown on the faces of G20, our beloved leader is now set for the BigTime. Ruler of the World via the UN. I can hear and see it now. “I will not seek the Presidency my fellow Americans. There is a Higher Calling I must answer to blah,blah,blah.” “SUCKERS”
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/06/return-of-frank-marshall-davis-obama-ii.html
Free Speech…………………………………………….
It is beginning to look as though nobody is interested in even saving themselves. Just to test the waters,I recently visited a few of the Sheriffs deputies who I once worked with. I had some eye opening conversations with them. They are all now like me…… retired. During the conversations one fact continued to emerge. My friends and former associates have little interest in pursuing a Citizen’s Grand Jury. They like myself feel that as long as the FEDERAL Courts will not permit any form of complaint to enter the system, whether it is a Civil complaint,or one generated out of a Citizen Grand Jury,it is useless to pursue any relief from that angle. They think that we must first find a way to clean up the FEDERAL COURTS,which will probably take years to do. Until somboidy a lot smarter than me finds a way to do that, then it seems that our ONLY chance lies at the VOTING BOOTH, or in OUTRIGHT REVOLUTION which the Constitution allows us to perpetrate.
In our alleged CIVILISED SOCIETY, it would seem that we could seek help within our courts to correct out of hand political chaos. It has become obvious that ALL of our courts are either totally corrupted or at various stages enroute to total corruption. The magnitude of this level of civil,and legal deterioration seems to imply that our society as a whole is seriously deteriorating,into a morass of perversions.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
http://www.repubx.com
http://www.protectourliberty.org
http://www.veterandefenders.org
http://www.americangrandjury.org
Further I think that had this not been the case in November of 2008, we might not now have to be fighting desparately to free ourselves from the tangled, falling debris that was once our civility. There is no doubt that the deterioration is ongoing. Our alleged Federal Government is making sure that it continues. You can thank the DUMMIES who put people like Soetoro,Pelosi Reid ,Dodd,Leahy, Schummer, etc into office to begin with. Now we are forced to try to fix up their F— ups. So it would seem that we need to remember these BUTT HOLES when we PRESS THE BUTTONS ON THE VOTING MACHINES, after which we clench our teeth and pray continuously.
ms. helga // June 26, 2010 at 10:14 am
I don’t think we have too long to wait now. If you look at the pictures from Toronto and the love for the USURPER as shown on the faces of G20, our beloved leader is now set for the BigTime. Ruler of the World via the UN. I can hear and see it now. “I will not seek the Presidency my fellow Americans. There is a Higher Calling I must answer to blah,blah,blah.” “SUCKERS”
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I didn’t get to see those shots but I’ve read several times that Henry Kissinger is grooming BHO for the New World Order. It has more than crossed my mind that your possible prediction may come true. It has been said that BHO’s desire is to be “president of the world.”
(the quotes about Kissinger were from MSM sources, not some conspiracy theorist’s imagination)
This thought occurred to me. Do you suppose that their fascination with him could be because he is bringing down the USA and capitalism to the European level? After all, many of the European nations don’t much like us anyway.
Call Sessions and tell them to contact Orly,she has info that Kagen knows about BHO’s 1890 ,CONN SS NUMBER
She wants to testify at hearings.She would blow this wide open!!!!
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
OS….
Can we trust the buttons on the VOTING MACHINES?
I think we may well have a problem here that needs to be corrected.
Old Salt – 10:27 AM
Thanks for the feedback re. your meeting with former lawmen. As we examine the citizens grand jury system, I do believe that this right is in the Constitution; however, what has happened over the years is that rules and regulations re. the judicial system have been made, and those have driven a wedge between We the People and our rights under the Constitution. Over the years that wedge has separated us more and more from our rights to address grievances.
Constitutionally we HAVE that right, and I know that Free Speech wants us to assert it and is certain that the Supreme Court will take up the presentments by these grand juries if the lower courts refuse. I wish that were so, but somehow from what I’ve read about the Supremes’ taking of cases, they also follow the rules of procedure.
SO, although they could be considered to be required to take the presentments under the Constitution, our judicial system has become so encumbered with intermediate steps, that the reality is the presentments would not be heard.
Here is a possibility. If citizens grand juries were convened in counties where there are crimes by BHO cohorts and the procedures were followed as outlined by Free Speech; then if no one could be convinced to bring charges or if legal recourse dead-ended, THEN those presentments could become the basis for bombarding our elected officials all over the country. If there were enough, the impact could be overwhelming. Many of our elected officials are corrupt, but one thing they do agree on – getting re-elected! If enough pressure were put upon them by We the People, impeachment would follow. Impeachment IS the constitutional way to remove a president. Believe me, as we all know, there are a multitude of impeachable offenses.
Call your Congressmen this week, and stop
Obama’s evil plan to legalize 20 million ILLEGAL
aliens by Executive Order.
Yes, he is a sociopath and will do anything to
keep Democrats in Congress this Fall. He
need millions of Democratic votes.
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HEAT OF THE MOMENT
Disgraced Fannie Mae deep in carbon scheme
Mortgage giant set to collect millions marketing homeowners’ energy savings
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=171457
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Watch out for another personal freedom grab! The plan is to collect data from residential homes re. energy use.
That information will be used to further pad the pockets of Crime, Inc. – Chicago Climate Exchange, which stands to make tons of money from exchange of “carbon credits”.
OBAMA TO CHALLENGE AZ IMMIGRATION LAW NEXT WEEK
The White House is expected to file a lawsuit next week. Arizona has raised more than $120,000 in private donations to defend the legislation.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-law-20100626,0,2047818.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29
Some said the republicans should not pass any more legislation and walk out until January !!!!
Call Congress daily and tell they to investigate the CCX SCAM.Want details call Beck’s office staff.Much worse than WATERGATE.gOLDMAN,REIGNES,BP ? OBAMA,JARRETT,GORE AND MORE INVOLVED AT THE PERIL; OF AMERICAN CITIZENS !
ENOUGH.Anyone pushing an energy bill such as Liberman and Kerry most likely have shares in CCX
UNDER THEIR DOGS NAME,A TRUST,CHILDS NAME.SOUNDS PLAUSIBLE!!
Demand they investigate the scam !!
Tell the Blue dogs to buy MANCHURIAN President
,new revelations ,may wake them up !!!
Tell them to vote NO on the BANK FIN BILL,DODD AND FRANK ANOTHER SCAM.Why haven’t they been investigated for the FANNIE AND FREDDIE,
SUB PRIME MORTAGE SCAM THAT STARTED THE WHOLE ECONOMIC MESS ????????
Any bill that BHO wants should be voted down,a motive behind each one !! Need to get RULES FOR RADICALS AND SEE HOW BHO IS DESTROYING AMERICA,HIS GAME BOOK
Local State Grand Juries need to be convened in local counties. State Grand Juries allow for the presentment of criminal information by any Patriots. Fed grand juries do not. Furthermore, bo will never be convicted in fed court where he controls the appointment of all US attorneys and judges.
If Patriots don’t start convening Grand Juries in Arizona, Texas, Louisiana, Illinois, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama etc. we will be under the complete control of Terrorist Totalitarian Regime.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
The only way for Patriots to get control of our government is by convening local State Grand Juries on the County level.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Cabby – AZ // June 26, 2010 at 11:24 am
Here is a possibility. If citizens grand juries were convened in counties where there are crimes by BHO cohorts and the procedures were followed as outlined by Free Speech; then if no one could be convinced to bring charges or if legal recourse dead-ended, THEN those presentments could become the basis for bombarding our elected officials all over the country.
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Exactly. Yes SCOTUS follows the Constitution that is why they will hear cases in they are brought by State Grand Juries.
Here is what we and the whole country are up against –
“I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. THERE IS NO WORSE HERESY THAN THE FACT THAT THE OFFICE SANCTIFIES THE HOLDER OF IT” – Lord Moncton
SANCTIFIES THE HOLDER OF IT
SANCTIFIES THE HOLDER OF IT
SANCTIFIES THE HOLDER OF IT
SO HELP US GOD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton
Speech // June 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Cabby – AZ // June 26, 2010 at 11:24 am
Here is a possibility. If citizens grand juries were convened in counties where there are crimes by BHO cohorts and the procedures were followed as outlined by Free Speech; then if no one could be convinced to bring charges or if legal recourse dead-ended, THEN those presentments could become the basis for bombarding our elected officials all over the country.
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Exactly. Yes SCOTUS follows the Constitution that is why they will hear cases in they are brought by State Grand Juries.
Leave a CommentSpeech // June 26, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Cabby – AZ // June 26, 2010 at 11:24 am
Here is a possibility. If citizens grand juries were convened in counties where there are crimes by BHO cohorts and the procedures were followed as outlined by Free Speech; then if no one could be convinced to bring charges or if legal recourse dead-ended, THEN those presentments could become the basis for bombarding our elected officials all over the country.
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Exactly. Yes SCOTUS follows the Constitution that is why they will hear cases in they are brought by State Grand Juries.
Also, the local politicians will pay attention to Patriots if they know they will be voted out of office or indicted if they don’t.
Free Speech@1:08pm,
Also, the local politicians will pay attention to Patriots if they know they will be voted out of office or indicted if they don’t.
I think after the elections in November, it will hit them like a shovel to the face, that the people run the government and not the office holders. Then , maybe, we can start to see, as Madam Pelosi would say, honesty, and civility, and transparency.
Time for some serious change! Round up the crooks, and sweep the DC clean.
Remember bo is a LIAR. bo wants Patriots to think that we can not bring him & his cohorts to justice. Nothing is further from the truth. bo’s supporters are abandoning his sinking ship. Patriots in all States need to stand up to bo as Arizona has done.
Patriots must to get control of our government is by convening local State Grand Juries on the County level.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Free Speech, New Hampshire has stood up to Obama as well.
New Hampshire Soverignty Resolution – HCR 0006
Free Speech, Let’s see if this works.
· http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2178001/posts
Listen @ 1:15
Congress Mocking the Obama Birth Certificate
Free Speech – 1:08 PM
You say,
“Yes SCOTUS follows the Constitution that is why they will hear cases in they are brought by State Grand Juries.”
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My problem is this query: DOES SCOTUS always follow the Constitution? Many of us feel that in Roe v. Wade the Supremes did not follow the Constitution but rather legislated from the bench. What assurance do we have that they would follow the Constitution re. presentments from citizens grand juries? My educated guess is that they would not hear us. I know you rely heavily upon Justice Scalia’s statements but when one reads ALL that he said about grand juries, the picture changes, imho.
Having said that, however, I am not ruling out the effectiveness of such presentments to influence Congress to bring impeachment charges.
TRUTH NOW // June 26, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Some said the republicans should not pass any more legislation and walk out until January !!!!
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BHO cohorts in Congress do NOT need any republican votes. The Dems have the necessary majority they need to pass almost anything they (BHO) want.
Cabby, Roe was decided by liberal court nearly 40 years ago. We have a court with 4 Conservatives now. We need to use this advantage while we still have it.
bo’s cognitive dissonance strategy is to destroy Patriots confidence in our courts. Don’t fall for it. Yes, the federal courts in DC are ant-America but look at the fed judge in New Orleans.
Lurker
Congress Mocking the Obama Birth Certificate
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Not Mocking , campaigning , getting that birther vote.
Total power , total corruption , total tyranny.
The king has no clothes on and doesn’t have a birth certificate.
Cabby-AZ, Theoretically every bill signed into law, and every executive order issued by this usurper is void.
If he grants amnesty to 20,000,000 illegal, future, democraptic, voters, before he is prosecuted for his crimes, and removed from office, it will be almost impossible to reverse.
NEED TO PROMOTE http://WWW.VETERANDEFENDERS.ORG
ORLY NEEDS THIS ON HER SITE,SINCE SHE HAS MANY MILITARY CLIENTS.
Mc CRYSTAL NEEDS TO SIGN UP TOO.
How embarrassing to have a community organizer,and a British subject??and fraud Scold a General !
All those years of serving and moving up the ranks,what a sorry,sick situation.Laughable if not soooooooo extremely serious.Humilating.!!OBAMA loves it !!What suckers our Congress are.They have to know by now after people have been calling for months.They all are as much at fault to keep this charade going!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.riseupforamerica.com
http://www.peoplespassions.org
http://www.repubx.com
http://www.theobamafile.com
ArmyD.A.V., Given the setting, in the house chamber, and Rep King, R,IA, mentioning Obama’s lack of eligibility, is a powerful statement, that was not questioned by any member of the house of representatives that were present.
Does this mean they all concur that Obama hasn’t proved his eligibility in the house?
Peggy West – Supervisor, Latino/Hispanic, likely Obama voter – Doesn’t know Az is a border state!
LM, Peggy West, the most ignorant person in America, not to mention the most embarrassed.
Free Speech,
Enlighten me for a moment if you will.
Let’s assume that a local AG will take the citizens grand jury indictments and agrees to presue to it. Does it not at that particular time, go to a lower court for hearing? And if the lower court diismisses, then can appeal to the Distric court? And if the Distric court denies, then can head to the Supreme court?
Or..
Are you saying that if a citizen grand jury presents, and local AG and lower court refuses to hear, go straight to the US Supreme Court, bypassing all others?
Personally, I believe the first statement to be true.
But then again, I am not an attorney.
Free Speech – 2:23 PM
bo’s cognitive dissonance strategy is to destroy Patriots confidence in our courts. Don’t fall for it. Yes, the federal courts in DC are ant-America but look at the fed judge in New Orleans.
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I don’t doubt you at all about BHO’s aim to destroy Patriots’ confidence in our courts and am especially gratified over the good fed. judge in New Orleans. My probing, if you can call it that, is not because of pessimism but rather pragmatism. We don’t want to spin our wheels unnecessarily.
Even with four conservative justices, we would need that fifth to have a majority, and I am not so certain that the four would recognize the citizens grand jury efforts in the way you so interpret. Please don’t think I’m denigrating your excellent research into CGJ’s. Quite the contrary, and I appreciate your rebuttals, etc.
Isn’t that the way we learn?
Cabby & William please read the following. According to the Constitution, SCOTUS can hear the case upon original jurisdiction. Of course, there are no guarantees but I am confident that SCOTUS will rule in favor of the Rule of Law.
Leo Patrick Haffey
It is noteworthy that it has been over a year and a half since I first began to write about the Citizens Grand Jury Process and Original Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of cases against Barrack Hussein Obama and, to date, BHO’s lawyers have never been able to refute my Constitutional Theories.
The precedent for getting standing and bringing a case directly to the United States Supreme Court upon Original Jurisdiction is the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. (1 Crunch) 137, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803). As succinctly stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury, “If a persons duty is backed by law and not by political in nature, then he becomes subject of the law and is examinable by the court.”
Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”
Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.
As in Marbury, We the People shall prosecute our cases against Barrack Hussein Obama petitioning the United States Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus compelling Barrack Hussein Obama to abide by the Constitutional Contract that he entered into with We the People on January 20, 2009 and uphold his Oath to abide by the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.
It is stated in United States v. Butterworth, 18 S. Ct. 441, 169 U.S. 600 at 602 (1898),
“The office of a writ of mandamus is to compel the performance of a duty resting upon the person to whom the writ is sent. That duty may have originated in one way or in another. It may, as alleged in the present case, have arisen from the acceptance of an office which has imposed the duty upon its incumbent. But no matter out of what fact or relations the duty has grown, what the law requires, and what it seeks to enforce by a writ of mandamus, is the personal obligation of the individual to whom it addresses the writ.”
Following much good faith research regarding the issue of original jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of the United States, We the People have found no cases in the history of jurisprudence of the United States of America wherein a Defendant disputed the Constitutional fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over “all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” as plainly stated in the Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 2.
That being the case, “We the People” respectfully request that the Barack Hussein Obama stipulate to the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; or, in the alternative, that Barack Hussein Obama show good cause why the Supreme Court of the United States shall not have original jurisdiction.
Cabby & William please read the following. According to the Constitution, SCOTUS can hear the case upon original jurisdiction. Of course, there are no guarantees but I am confident that SCOTUS will rule in favor of the Rule of Law.
It is noteworthy that it has been over a year and a half since I first began to write about the Citizens Grand Jury Process and Original Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of cases against Barrack Hussein Obama and, to date, BHO’s lawyers have never been able to refute my Constitutional Theories.
The precedent for getting standing and bringing a case directly to the United States Supreme Court upon Original Jurisdiction is the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. (1 Crunch) 137, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803). As succinctly stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury, “If a persons duty is backed by law and not by political in nature, then he becomes subject of the law and is examinable by the court.”
Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”
Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.
As in Marbury, We the People shall prosecute our cases against Barrack Hussein Obama petitioning the United States Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus compelling Barrack Hussein Obama to abide by the Constitutional Contract that he entered into with We the People on January 20, 2009 and uphold his Oath to abide by the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.
It is stated in United States v. Butterworth, 18 S. Ct. 441, 169 U.S. 600 at 602 (1898),
“The office of a writ of mandamus is to compel the performance of a duty resting upon the person to whom the writ is sent. That duty may have originated in one way or in another. It may, as alleged in the present case, have arisen from the acceptance of an office which has imposed the duty upon its incumbent. But no matter out of what fact or relations the duty has grown, what the law requires, and what it seeks to enforce by a writ of mandamus, is the personal obligation of the individual to whom it addresses the writ.”
Following much good faith research regarding the issue of original jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of the United States, We the People have found no cases in the history of jurisprudence of the United States of America wherein a Defendant disputed the Constitutional fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over “all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” as plainly stated in the Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 2.
That being the case, “We the People” respectfully request that the Barack Hussein Obama stipulate to the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; or, in the alternative, that Barack Hussein Obama show good cause why the Supreme Court of the United States shall not have original jurisdiction.
>>Oldsalt79: In our alleged CIVILISED SOCIETY, it would seem that we could seek help within our courts to correct out of hand political chaos. It has become obvious that ALL of our courts are either totally corrupted or at various stages enroute to total corruption. The magnitude of this level of civil,and legal deterioration seems to imply that our society as a whole is seriously deteriorating,into a morass of perversions.<<<
Most great civilizations in history have been destroyed, not by military takeover, but by corruption and internal destruction. The latter usually occurs after years of the former, and they have been weakened.
Understanding if JBJD wishes to disagree, but I believe that the entire system is now entirely corrupt. I base this on Obama being sworn in as POTUS, when overwhelming information revealed that he wasn't born of "Citizen Parents on Native Soil", and his obvious connections to Blago et al., and the Hospital and Gaming commission fixing. Finally, just spend a few moments and read "The Third Terrorist-Middle East Connection to the Oklahoma bombing" and you will lose all hope that this country hasn't turned into facade of freedom. We are truly living in a police state, and the court system, including the SCOTUS, have been bought off.
The question now should be: "Why don't the democrats fear the November elections?" Everyone should answer this for themselves.
Pete
From: Dr. Orly Taitz’s website –
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
and from this website –
http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/
Here comes this:
“O’REILLY: OBAMA COULD FACE IMPEACHMENT IF HE PARDONS ILLEGALS”
Saturday, 26 Jun 2010 12:54 PM Article
By: Chris Wessling
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/barack-obama-impeachment-illegal/2010/06/26/id/363160
“Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly is warning that if President Barack Obama ever bypasses Congress and uses his pardon power to make millions of illegal aliens citizens, he could face serious calls for his impeachment.
“If President Obama were to sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER giving illegal aliens amnesty, his career would be over and an impeachment movement would explode,” O’Reilly said Friday night on his “Talking Points” segment during his top-rated Fox show.
At the same time, O’Reilly said he did not believe reports that the Obama administration would grant such a blanket amnesty.”
The Full Article Is At This Link:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/barack-obama-impeachment-illegal/2010/06/26/id/363160
Found this over at Orly’s site, more crimes.
You can contact senator Sessions at sessions@senate.gov
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Supreme Court Nominee Kagan: Evidence of CoverUp of Knowledge of Obama Social Security Fraud
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Orly,
I just spoke with someone from Senator Jeff Sessions DC office about you having evidence that Kagan had this knowledge and covered it up.
Senator Sessions is the lead minority rep. on the Senate Judiciary Committee. I did not supply your name and I couldn’t obtain any specific names for you to contact but I was assured that if you called yourself and asked for the minority-judiciary staff, they would speak with you especially if you provided the evidence (which of course I could not). They also said that if you preferred to fax them the information, it would get to the proper persons. The DC office phone number is 202-224-4124 and the fax no. is 202-224-9102. Good luck if you choose to proceed.
Jeff
Regarding the criminal content of Blago and Obama, no one has heard the half of it yet! There is so much more that everyone will be more than shocked. One of the problems now is today’s new is blocking out the latest news on the trial regarding Obam.
If anyone wants to know how bad the informatoin will be that is expected to surface, I sincerely doubt if anyone would be able to even believe it! It’s the worst!
Marty Didier
Northbrook, IL
Free Speech,
Thank you for your responce, however, I was only asking which court would hear it first – I am assuming it would be thw lower court if anyone got a local AG to go along, is that part correct?
Next question; let’s say the lower court dismisses, then I would also assume that it could be appealed to the Distric court, is that correct?
Amd finally, if the distric court denied the appeal, then tthe focus would be on the SCOTUS.
, correct?
Marty @ 3:50, Nice teaser, what’s the scoop on Soetoro AKA Obama? How dirty are they?
Marty,
Would love to know what you know…
Marty,
I don’t think anybody here at CW’s would be surprised.
Free speech,
If I am correct, and that is if – my limited understanding of judicial process is that No One, has a right to go to the Supreme Court, but you do have a right to “request” the Supreme Court to hear your case.
And by “requesting”, this by no means obligates them to hear it. In other words, you would need a minimum of 4 justices to agree to accept the petition from the citizen grand jury case from the previously denied district court, then it would Officially be on appeal at the SCOTUS. Then the citizen grand jury case would need a majority of the Justices to agree to grant the petition.
However, if the majority agrees that the distric court was at some fault for dismissing the citizen grand jury, it merely goes back down to the distric court again.
At least, this is my understanding, as vague as it may be.
William,
The point is that according to the constitution if the case against is not prosecuted by the local DA a motion for original jurisdiction in SCOTUS can be filed.
I do not understand anyone, citizens or othwise, that claim the US SUpreme Court MUST HEAR and CANNOT DENY, statements. To me, it is far more complex, and no absolutes.
Original Jurisdiction means that SCOTUS can hear the case as a trial court, not to be confused with appellate jurisdiction which is when SCOTUS merely reviews the ruling of a lower court.
Marty Didier // June 26, 2010 at 3:50 pm
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Are you saying that you believe this information will come out in the Blago trial? Or that some future litigation will be needed.
As a specific, I am absolutely convinced that Commander Zero knows exactly what happened to Donald Young. I am also quite sure that he is complicit in either the crime, the coverup, or both.
SCOTUS should be sent to Prison.
Free Speech,
Thanks for your reply, I believe I understand your perspective better. I may not agree that such tactic would work, nevertheless, I comprehend your point from your analysis.
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William // June 26, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I do not understand anyone, citizens or othwise, that claim the US SUpreme Court MUST HEAR and CANNOT DENY, statements. To me, it is far more complex, and no absolutes.
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You are correct; the SCOTUS is not obliged to ‘hear’ anything. Think about how many cases appealed to that august body are denied “Cert.” (certiorari). But the Constitution spells out those instances in which the SCOTUS can take “original” jurisdiction, that is, can hear a case that has not been adjudicated in any other court and, therefore, is not coming to the high court on appeal.
(All emphasis is mine.)
(From Article III, section 2)
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Time for the Washington Press Corps to ask the USURPER if he has ever heard of William Shakespeare? I think the person should be Lester Kinsolving. Then he should be asked if he is familiar with “Hamlet”? He should then be asked if he can TRUTHFULLY SWEAR TO BELIEVING IN : “This above all: to thine own self be true,/And it must follow, as the night the day,/Thou cans’t not be false to any man. ”
This quote has been my guiding light since my twenties and find that most people can’t lie to it.
It has been believed that Shakespeare helped write the King James version of the Bible. It was said that on his 46th birthday King James had the 46th Psalm written in his(Shakespeare’s) honor. If you would count down 46 words from the start of the psalm you will come to the word “Shake”. If you now count up from the bottom of the Psalm 46 words you will come to the word “Spear”.
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Pete // June 26, 2010 at 3:22 pm
>>Oldsalt79: In our alleged CIVILISED SOCIETY, it would seem that we could seek help within our courts to correct out of hand political chaos. It has become obvious that ALL of our courts are either totally corrupted or at various stages enroute to total corruption. The magnitude of this level of civil,and legal deterioration seems to imply that our society as a whole is seriously deteriorating,into a morass of perversions.<<<
Most great civilizations in history have been destroyed, not by military takeover, but by corruption and internal destruction. The latter usually occurs after years of the former, and they have been weakened.
Understanding if JBJD wishes to disagree, but I believe that the entire system is now entirely corrupt.
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Pete, here's what I wish you could keep in mind. Back in the summer of 2008, I was already working furiously to prevent BO from 1) taking the D nomination; and, if he did become the nominee, from 2) winning the election. Way back then, I understood, judicially speaking, the options to achieve my desired results were limited. As much as I wanted BO out. Because the law, and the rules of procedure, did not allow for millions of angry plaintiffs to receive relief based only on their feelings, however justified, they were being *ed. Instead, I looked for – and found – laws that were arguably broken. And I urged people to take action to redress those violations.
But what I advocated involved ballot fraud; and, evidently, this wasn't 'sexy' enough to placate the masses. No; instead, they focused their anger at being 'had' against the courts, or elected officials, or…
Bottom line, we created this system but know relatively little about how it works. And rather than spend the time and energy to find out, we look to one savior after another to bail us out. And instead of blaming these appointed rescuers when things stay the same; we blame the system we created for doing us wrong, instead of those people who tried to 'play' the system with what I call 'temper tantrums' rather than logic and reason and, above all, real evidence.
Imagine what might have happened if, say, 1,000 citizens, just in the state of Texas, had filed challenges to getting BO's name on the ballot. Here's one of the comments I posted in August 2008, advising Texans to do just that.
(This was on NoQuarter.)
Free Speech………………………………………….
I respectfully disagree with you regarding the SCOTUS. I personally believe that they have clearly demonstrated that they will not any longer follow Constitutional law,much less uphold these laws even though it is their mission. I is for this reason that I say that even though the Constitution might set forth a written and ratified law there is no longer any guarantee that the SCOTUS will UPHOLD it. Further I am fully convinced that they would NOT accept any presentments from a Citizen’s Grand Jury which hasn’t yet been refused,or thrown out by the lower courts. Since all 122 of the Federal judges seem to have the same attitude towards any legal action against Soetoro, it is unlikely that they will ever allow ANYTHING to enter their domain that reads like a Civil action or a presentment. This is why I still believe that we must first clean house on Congress, in November. But who knows perhaps some bright guy will come along who knows about a hidden door to a Federal Courtroom that nobody else knows about. Maybe you can find it! God knows America needs to find it…. soon! Have a good day guy!
JBJD…………………………………………………….
I often read your comments. I also know that most of the time you are correct regarding a specific, which is all well and good. However demonstrating any LAW that may apply is ONLY good when it CAN be applied. Like Pete it is my personal belief that our judicial system is now COMPLETELY corrupted,and as such there will never be any legal actions against Soetoro or any presentments again permitted to enter even the lower courts. This is to demonstrate the strength of Soetoro’s control over ALL of the Federal courts,including the SCOTUS. Few people realise the magnitude of the control that now exists. I believe that soon no matter how well your BRIEF is composed, or how many laws have been broken you will be fined heavily for even trying to FILE any action. While this has not yet occurred…. it is coming. Orly Taitz was fined, and I personally believe that this was something which the Judge will be forced to answer for eventually. The fine was PURELY out of HATE for HER even BEING in his courtroom. He has something coming! He did not have to fine her. He will eventually pay.
If this doesn’t motivate Patriots to Indict bo I don’t know what will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls&feature=player_embedded
Thankb you jbjd for your responce,
Shall have original jurisdiction, and must hear a case are two differnt meanings to me.
Thankb you jbjd for your responce,
Shall have original jurisdiction, and must hear a case are two differnt meanings to me.
I greatly admire the strength that Orly Taitz has shown, in her quest to expose the truth of Soetoro in a court of law. At literally every turn she was rebuked ,and otherwise ridiculed for her behavior and somwhat impaired Grammar. Every Judge that her actions were in front of either threw them out without even reading them, or used the “standing”issue as an excuse to dismiss the action. This did not speak well for our Federal courts. I realise that she was allegedly wrong in her approach, and demeanor but it would seem that at least she should have been HEARD. She is a practicing lawyer,in addition to being a dentist. I believe that she should be commended for her strength of character, as well. There aren’t many like her in California. She has my vote!
I believe chief justice Marshal discussed this.
Patriots must get control of our government is by convening local State Grand Juries on the County level.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Oldsalt.
I could not agree with you more big guy.
Well said
Not that is means anything to many,
However, for the first time in my life, 7 months ago, I read the entire Federalists papers. Knowing what they were in study history brief, is not the same as reading them in full content.
Always room to learn.
Not that is means anything to many,
However, for the first time in my life, 7 months ago, I read the entire Federalists papers. Knowing what they were in study history brief, is not the same as reading them in full content.
Always room to learn.
>>>JBJD: In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction.<<<<
JBJD,
Ambassadors are appointed by the Executive branch. Thus, if you claim an ambassador is illegal because he was appointed by a POTUS whose it not constitutionally qualified…i.e. not an NBC, then you haven't you just found your 'in' to the SCOTUS. Further, since american ambassadors, such as those in afganistan, have made consequential agreements and passed information in a conflict area of potential civil uprising (war zone), all Americans have "Standing"?
I don't have the legal experience here, why haven't you gone after this?
Pete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBzytYUdhk&feature=player_embedded
I completely agree with oldsalt79. Congress, and all of the Supreme Court Judges (even in the red states i.e. Georgia) along with every other Politician are either in Obama’s Pocket, or Rahm Emanual has something on them. Or they are too scared of what Obama can do to them to say anything. Our Military is on GAG Orders and the Pentagon giving out the commands is in Obama’s Pocket as well. Not One Single Person in charge (or who is capable of doing anything) anywhere will go against Obama and his Cronies. I Honestly don’t think that we will have a fair election in November and that Obama and his cronies have something up their Sleeve that will “FIX” this election just like the last one. Obama and the DNC DID steal the winning votes for the Nomination away from Hillary. Right there on National TV. Not one single person from either side had a Problem with it. When Obama got almost 1 Billion Dollars in unknown Campaign Money, neither side had a problem with that either. 2008 had the Most Corrupt Election ever held in American History. Not one person in Power in any of the Branches of GVT had any problem with it. Not even George W. Bush or Dick Cheney. Cheney didn’t give a “Speak Now or forever hold your Peace” with Obama’s Election to Congress. Also the First time in US History that has ever happened. You Want to know how deep the Rabbit Hole Gets? All the way to the bottom of the Seemingly Bottomless pit.
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Pete // June 26, 2010 at 8:41 pm
>>>JBJD: In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction.<<<<
JBJD,
Ambassadors are appointed by the Executive branch. Thus, if you claim an ambassador is illegal because he was appointed by a POTUS whose it not constitutionally qualified…i.e. not an NBC, then you haven't you just found your 'in' to the SCOTUS. Further, since american ambassadors, such as those in afganistan, have made consequential agreements and passed information in a conflict area of potential civil uprising (war zone), all Americans have "Standing"?
I don't have the legal experience here, why haven't you gone after this?
Pete
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From a legal perspective, the same barriers to being heard in the federal district court with original jurisdiction; exist at the SCOTUS level.
Also don’t forget that Joe Biden announced to the world where the Secret Bunker to hide away the Vice President was located. Nothing was done. Obama got on the Radio and announced to the world the Exact Count of how many Nuclear Missiles are being held by the United States and vowed to work on dismantling them. Once again Crickets. Bill Clinton gave away Military Secrets to China during his administration and nothing was said about that either. (I think that Clinton got money for that one later after his tenure during his well paid Lecture Circuit in China.) Not one peep from the U.S. Military, NSA, CIA, FBI, or any other branch of authority for any of these Treasonous acts along with aiding and abbe-ding terrorists by Obama and Eric Holder.
I think the country will be destroyed before Obama and his cronies relinquish there power.
jbjd – 6:49 PM
You said,
“You are correct; the SCOTUS is not obliged to ‘hear’ anything. Think about how many cases appealed to that august body are denied “Cert.” (certiorari). But the Constitution spells out those instances in which the SCOTUS can take “original” jurisdiction, that is, can hear a case that has not been adjudicated in any other court and, therefore, is not coming to the high court on appeal.”
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Then, jbjd, you quote the portion of Article III, Sec. 2:
“In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction.”
It is very interesting that you would have expressed yourself in this regard now, because just this afternoon I did some research (layman-type, of course) to look into the phrase, “ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls…”, and here is the reason. Those who are espousing the use of citizens grand juries to gain direct access to the SCOTUS are interpreting “other public ministers” to include BHO, and, therefore, believe that SCOTUS would have original jurisdiction and, therefore, any presentments could be taken directly to SCOTUS without going through the lower courts first.
My suspicions have been that this entire phrase,
“ambassadors, other pubic ministers and consuls” refers to APPOINTED officials, not elected ones. Having looked up some other references in the way of explanation, I found those suspicions to be confirmed.
In fact, under Article II, Section 2, concerning the powers of the Executive branch, I found the same phrase, but used to describe the functions of the President:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law… (I haven’t yet figured out how to underline) See that same phrase? Here it definitely refers to foreign emissaries, and the most important part is, they are APPOINTED.
Conclusion: I have to say that there is no way to “fit” BHO into this category. He was ELECTED by the people; therefore, I see no way for anyone to be able to petition SCOTUS directly.
There is clearly a constitutional way to remove BHO and it clearly does NOT require SCOTUS.
That way is impeachment, articles of which are to be drawn up by the House and voted upon by the Senate.
jbjd, weigh in, if you want to.
bo has destroyed these once beautiful white san beaches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO193f8xAls&feature=player_embedded
Patriots must to get control of our government is by convening local State Grand Juries on the County level.
For criminal information for Grand Jury Indictments of bo go here:
https://citizenwells.wordpress.com/category/nashville/
For information on forming a legitimate Grand Jury go here:
http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
Cabby, please read Marbury, you are misinterpreting the original jurisdiction clause, no one, at least not I, is interpreting this clause to include the President. However, it clearly makes the case against bo one of original jurisdiction, since it affects all ambassadors etc.
It is noteworthy that it has been over a year and a half since I first began to write about the Citizens Grand Jury Process and Original Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of cases against Barrack Hussein Obama and, to date, BHO’s lawyers have never been able to refute my Constitutional Theories.
The precedent for getting standing and bringing a case directly to the United States Supreme Court upon Original Jurisdiction is the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison 5 U.S. (1 Crunch) 137, 2 L.Ed. 60 (1803). As succinctly stated by Chief Justice Marshall in Marbury, “If a persons duty is backed by law and not by political in nature, then he becomes subject of the law and is examinable by the court.”
Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”
Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.
As in Marbury, We the People shall prosecute our cases against Barrack Hussein Obama petitioning the United States Supreme Court for a Writ of Mandamus compelling Barrack Hussein Obama to abide by the Constitutional Contract that he entered into with We the People on January 20, 2009 and uphold his Oath to abide by the Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution of the United States of America.
It is stated in United States v. Butterworth, 18 S. Ct. 441, 169 U.S. 600 at 602 (1898),
“The office of a writ of mandamus is to compel the performance of a duty resting upon the person to whom the writ is sent. That duty may have originated in one way or in another. It may, as alleged in the present case, have arisen from the acceptance of an office which has imposed the duty upon its incumbent. But no matter out of what fact or relations the duty has grown, what the law requires, and what it seeks to enforce by a writ of mandamus, is the personal obligation of the individual to whom it addresses the writ.”
Following much good faith research regarding the issue of original jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of the United States, We the People have found no cases in the history of jurisprudence of the United States of America wherein a Defendant disputed the Constitutional fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over “all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” as plainly stated in the Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 2.
That being the case, “We the People” respectfully request that the Barack Hussein Obama stipulate to the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States has original jurisdiction over all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; or, in the alternative, that Barack Hussein Obama show good cause why the Supreme Court of the United States shall not have original jurisdiction.
Article III, Section 2 of the United States Constitution states, “In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction.”
Marbury was a case involving a minor public minister. The case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all “Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls” of the United States and of all foreign nations with diplomatic status with the United States. Furthermore, the case against Barrack Hussein Obama involves all States of the United States as parties.
Free Speech, thanks for your comments. I did look into Marbury v. Madison and found that it was a very important case, because it did provide an example of original jurisdiction by SCOTUS; however, Marbury was a justice of the peace APPOINTED, and the new Secretary of State, Madison, did not want to accept Marbury’s appointment. Hence, SCOTUS heard the case directly under original jurisdiction.
You refer to Marbury as a “case involving a minor public minister”, and by implication you seem to include BHO as a public minister. That’s the part I don’t understand. BHO is not a public minister; he is an ELECTED president, and there are specified rules in the Constitution for dealing with an errant President – IMPEACHMENT.
Cabby,
” you seem to include BHO as a public minister.” No, I do not.
Impeachment is for crimes committed while in office. Not the issue. The issue is crimes committed prior to election. Furthermore, impeachment does not apply to bo because he is not legitimately POTUS.
Free Speech – 10:20 PM
Again, thanks for the response. Please don’t think I’m trying to argue with you! These are some fine points that need to be clarified. (We will leave the public minister part rest, because it seems to me that you are implying BHO is a public minister, but you say no – OK.)
You say, “Impeachment is for crimes committed while in office. Not the issue.”
Well, there IS plenty to charge him for “high crimes and misdemeanors” while IN office. After he is removed, THEN the charges can be made for prior crimes.
As far as BHO not being a legitimate POTUS, Congress is not willing to admit that, so impeachment could take place if there were overwhelming pressure brought to bear.
Frankly, if getting him OUT is important, the only thing that can be done relatively soon is impeachment. I don’t think we would ever quibble over Congress’ opinion about being an illegal POTUS. It doesn’t look like We the People are going to prevail in an expeditious fashion to remove BHO by trying to prove his lack of qualifications to be President.
Therefore, if anything is to be done at all that is effective and timely, we have to be practical and start concentrating on something that will work, imho.
Cabby – AZ @ 9:43 says, “jbjd, weigh in, if you want to.”
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No need; I find no disagreement with your interpretation of the relevant sections of the Constitution.
Carry on!
Will Mexico have standing in this lawsuit against Arizona, when our own LEGAL citizens are denied standing after a treasonous fraud is handed the keys to the WH?
I feel like Alice in Obamaland going through some crazy alternate reality!! Obama has no problem prosecuting military Commanders and SEALS…just don’t ask him to go after the New Black Panthers or TERRORISTS!
jbjd – Thanks for your legal review! It is greatly appreciated.
megan – 1:40 AM
Obama has no problem prosecuting military Commanders and SEALS…just don’t ask him to go after the New Black Panthers or TERRORISTS!
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And doesn’t it beat all? I have to pinch myself sometimes to believe this is all happening.