Blue Cross Blue Shield rate increase, Obama lies, Blue Cross Blue Patients, ObamaCare study, Premiums rise 54%, Congressional Budget Office, Pelosi and Reid lies

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****  Update  Below 12/7/09, 1:05 PM ET  **** 

Weeks before I read the Wall Street Journal article below, I knew that ObamaCare would raise rates for existing health care policy holders and that the impact would happen sooner than later. Several weeks ago, a close personal friend informed me that their Blue Cross Blue Shield health insurance premium had been significantly raised. When this person called the insurance office, they were told it was happening across the board. I then ran into a friend of mine who works for Blue Cross Blue Shield. The friend confirmed the story and stated that their rates had also been increased.

From the Wall Street Journal, December 5, 2009.

“Blue Cross Blue Patients”

“Another day, another study confirming that ObamaCare will increase the price of health insurance. The Blue Cross Blue Shield Association has found that premiums in the individual market will rise on average by 54% over the status quo, which translates into an extra $3,341 a year for families and $1,576 for singles. The White House denounced the report as a “sham” before it was even released, which shows how seriously it takes such concerns.

The Congressional Budget Office also found this week that ObamaCare will boost premiums in the individual market by as much as 13%. But the White House called that a triumph because the higher costs will be offset by taxpayer subsidies that will be transferred to the federal balance sheet.

The Blue Cross study is in fact more precise than CBO’s because it is based on real market data, rather than modeling assumptions. The association mined the actuarial data from its six million individual or small-business policies, nearly one-eighth of those sold in the U.S.”

“”And you can bet as we continue to make progress,” communications director Dan Pfeiffer wrote on the White House blog, “the insurance industry will continue to try and distract and misinform because they know their very profitable status quo is in grave danger.” He must be referring to the industry’s overall profit margin of 2.2% in 2008.”

Read more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704007804574574170859847850.html

****  Update  ****

I obtained the actual premium increase from my close friend:

49 % increase!
 

Thanks to commenter Patriot Dreamer

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132 responses to “Blue Cross Blue Shield rate increase, Obama lies, Blue Cross Blue Patients, ObamaCare study, Premiums rise 54%, Congressional Budget Office, Pelosi and Reid lies

  1. Our rates went up as well. Everyone I’ve talked to have experienced a rate increase.

    They’re preparing themselves against the tyrannical government. They’ll need this money to go full bore in court.

  2. Patriot Dreamer

    CW, nice article. As always. Thank you!

  3. **** This is a powerful article. Please make it go viral. ****

  4. Patriot Dreamer

    President Obama job approval RealClearPolitics poll average shows BO at:

    49.3% approval
    44.9% disapproval

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

  5. Patriot.
    Thank you!

  6. Bad News !! How can they DO this???
    US EPA to move on emissions as Congress stalls

    WASHINGTON, Dec 7 (Reuters) – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will formally declare that greenhouse gases endanger human health on Monday, allowing President Barack Obama to show action as a major climate change summit opened in Copenhagen.

    The EPA finding will allow it to regulate planet-warming gases even without legislation in the U.S. Congress, and will inject some optimism into the two-week global meeting on controlling climate change in the Danish capital.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0716450820091207?sp=true

  7. As a former Chicagoan I must say the news coming from there is getting nuttier by the day. Chicago always had its fringe elements-terrorists like Ayers (murderer) but these new group(s) look like they’re running totally out of control. Is Chicago becoming a hot bed for terrorists? I think they better think about it.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/12/07/national/w084447S50.DTL&type=politics
    Chicago terrorism suspect charged in Mumbai attack
    By MIKE ROBINSON, AP Legal Affairs Writer
    Monday, December 7, 2009
    A Chicago man accused of planning an armed attack on a Danish newspaper was charged Monday with conducting surveillance on potential targets in the Indian city of Mumbai before terrorist attacks in 2008 that killed 166 people.
    David Coleman Headley, 49, was charged in a 12-count criminal information with six counts of conspiracy to bomb public places in India, to murder and maim people in India and Denmark, to provide material support to foreign terrorist plots and another offenses.
    Federal prosecutors also announced charges against a retired major in the Pakistani military, Abdur Rehman Hashim Syed, for allegedly taking part in the plot to attack the Danish newspaper out of anger over 12 cartoons published in 2005 depicting the Prophet Muhammad that sparked outrage in the Muslim world.
    According to the charges, Headley, a U.S. citizen, attended terrorist training camps in Pakistan earlier in this decade operated by Lashkar e Taiba — a group that specializes in violent attacks on targets in India.
    Headley, formerly named Daood Gilani, and Chicago businessman Tahawwur Hussain Raha, 48, were charged in October with planning an attack on the Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten. The new charges add Syed to the list of defendants.
    U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said the investigation “remains active” and a team of prosecutors and FBI agents will keep seeking charges against other people responsible for the attacks.

  8. CW………………………………………..

    I presently use PYRAMID’S TODAYS OPTIONS as my main health coverage. So far only my co pay has increased by $10.00. Somehow I get the feeling that this is not over by any means.

  9. Patriot Dreamer

    from Columbia, MO: “Supplies with Obama logo surprise school”

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/dec/03/supplies-with-obama-logo-surprise-school/

  10. From my experience, our BC/BS premiums have ALWAYS gone up substantially every single year. But if this healthcare bill passes, they predict they will rise 54% (I suppose in addition to the annual increases). That’s my understanding.

  11. OldSalt,

    I’m with regarding Palin. I love her and think she would do a great job. But …. I think she needs to either do what you suggest … Run for Senator first. I am not sure she is ready for POTUS now. I think she would make a great VP, with the right person at the top, and then she will be ready for POTUS in 2016. I’m thinking if she ran with someone who would only be interested in holding office for one term and then she runs for it in 2016. I love the Newt idea. I really love the Palin / Bachmann, but I believe that would take some time for most people to consider 2 women in that position. That’s why I think Palin for VP in 2012 and then POTUS in 2016 and hopefully with Bachmann.

  12. Correction:

    OldSalt , I with YOU regarding Palin …..

  13. So far nobody has stated publically how many others who refuse to work for their living that our premiums are going to SUPPORT. I worked for my living,as has most of us. Now we are going to have the HELL taxed out of us to support the BASTARD drug heads, people with HIV, etc, who either are too lazy to work or are unemployable because of being HIV positive. I didn.t give them their dirty disease but now I am going to have to help pay for their FUN. NO SIR IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME. I WILL DIVEST MYSELF OF ALL OF MY PROPERTY AND DO JUST LIKE THE DRUG HEADS DO. SPONG OFF OF OTHERS! ONCE ALL OF US ARE DOING THIS I AM SURE THAT OUR FEARLESS LEADER WILL SEE THE ERROR OF HIS STUPIDITY. i THINK THAT AT THAT POINT HE WILL BE RUNNING FLAT OUT FROM A LYNCH MOB!

  14. For a group that came together in the recent 6 months-WOW-.Tea Party people are everyone except Obama thug Democrat corruption group. Republicans should embrace this group-they could win it all, and all of us good start the task together of healing our land, ridding ourselves of corruption, restore America to all the good things that we are proud of.
    T-R-O-U-B-L-E FOR THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM?
    Filed under: Uncategorized — radiopatriot @ 11:15 am
    Rasmussen is reporting that running under the Tea Party brand may be better in congressional races than being a Republican. And that spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e.
    In a three-way Generic Ballot test, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Democrats attracting 36% of the vote. The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.
    Among voters not affiliated with either major party, the Tea Party comes out on top. Thirty-three percent (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. Twenty-five percent (25%) would vote for a Democrat, and just 12% prefer the GOP.
    Among Republican voters, 39% say they’d vote for the GOP candidate, but 33% favor the Tea Party option.
    Respondents were asked to assume that the Tea Party movement organized as a new political party. In practical terms, it is unlikely that a true third-party option would perform as well as the polling data indicates. The rules of the election process—written by Republicans and Democrats–provide substantial advantages for the two established major parties. The more conventional route in the United States is for a potential third-party force to overtake one of the existing parties.
    Just 55% of conservatives nationwide consider themselves Republicans. Recent polling shows that 73% of Republican voters believe their leaders in Washington are out of touch with the party base.
    Republican voters are paying a lot more attention to the Tea Party movement than anyone else.

  15. NancyDrew.
    Let me make this crystal clear.
    The premium increase was not a “normal” increase.
    It was a high % increase.
    This was confirmed by BC BS employee.

  16. CW: I always get my notice in Dec./Jan., so I hope it’s not going to jump that much! The usual increases are too much, as it is.

  17. I am now at $1200./mo. for 2 adults & my grandson.

  18. CW………………………………………..

    This percentage was comfirmed by the VP of BC/BS this AM on FOXNEWS. I was once a member,……….WWWHHHHEEEWWW.

  19. I’ll have to drop my insurance & go to jail.

  20. Patriot Dreamer

    “Dems cut Medicare home health services to fund coverage of uninsured”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/07/dems-cut-medicare-home-health-services-to-fund-coverage-of-uninsured/

  21. Kim // December 7, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Bad News !! How can they DO this???
    US EPA to move on emissions as Congress stalls
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Well, this is really easy to fix. Everyone, stop exhaling! Starting with the morons in D.C.

    I mean, really. How stupid. Plants and trees need CO2, so how are the greenies going to defend this stupidity?

    What’s next? Oxygen is a noxious gas?

  22. Patriot Dreamer

    NPR reporter pressured over Fox role

    Executives at National Public Radio recently asked the network’s top political correspondent, Mara Liasson, to reconsider her regular appearances on Fox News because of what they perceived as the network’s political bias, two sources familiar with the effort said.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29892.html
    ******************************************
    Do you suppose they also asked her to reconsider appearing on MSNBC? Somehow I bet not.

  23. Patriot Dreamer

    North Korea currency change sparks panic

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8394987.stm

  24. **** Citizen Wells Update ****

    Here is the actual % increase in BC BS premium from my close friend:

    49 % increase !!!

  25. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

    Gallup – Approval 47%
    Disapproval 46%

    New records just about daily now.

  26. Patriot Dreamer -instead of going after crooks, they take the path of easiest resistance-the elderly a group that I am sure worked, payed taxes and supported their country their entire lives. I’m sure in this group that there were some not totally well behaved but I think that would be a small percentage.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5414400n&tag=contentMain;contentBody
    The best tips and advice from our vast library of articles, … “Medicare has at least $80 billion worth of fraud a year.
    http://www.allbusiness.com/medicare-fraud/3265007-1.html

  27. I went from BC/BS to a Medicare Advantage plan three years ago. I have seen a real savings in outlay as compared to what I laid out while with Blue Cross. But as I said earlier I think the low cost Healthcare is destined to become a thing of the past very soon. In addition we will likely see heavy cuts in services. Seniors will see about $400,000,000,000.00 cut from Medicare alone. Pretty heavy taxation. Especially when we will not receive any services until FOUR years down stream. Yet we will be paying immediately,or we go to jail. If we are to go to jail then perhaps we should consider having justification for being there. Get what I mean?

  28. I don’t understand why this is happening, when the obamacare, if passed, does not take effect until 2013?

    I made a mistake. In 2008 our BC/BS was $1278/mo. In 2009 is $1469. I’m not too good with math. What percentage of increase was that? So I know what to expect at 49%?
    Anyone with a math brain, please.

  29. Patriot Dreamer

    Senator Susan Collins (Repub., Maine) a No on public option based on her state’s disastrous experience with its own state government-run health insurance “public option” DirigoChoice:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/07/susan-collins-a-no-on-public-option/

  30. NancyDrew
    1469 / 1278 = 1.15 (rounded off) Thats a 15% increase

  31. Eagle: Thanks. If I get a 49% increase, no way can we afford that!

  32. The Law of Nations…..The natives or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As a society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, this children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and suceed to all their rights.

    The U.S. Constitution.. To define and punish piracies and felonies commited on the high seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations

  33. Are the dems bribing ins. cos. to raise rates really high now to get people to support obamacare bill maybe?

  34. One thing is certain! BC/BS will always be among the HIGHEST priced providers of Healthcare insurance, whether it is only supplemental, or the main provider.
    I look for the term MEDICARE to be retired,and it will be merged with the MEDICAID system. At which point your Medicare coverage will CEASE to exist,and you will be either on your own or at the mercy of your state MEDICAID BUREAU. Most states are already severly over budget in their Medicaid payments,and damn few medical services providers will even treat a person who is allegedly covered by Medicaid. The transition will not occur until all seniors have been required to pay up front. Then you will see the down, and dirty dealing. SEE YOU IN JAIL!

  35. Patriot Dreamer

    NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Nancy, I think insurance companies are just trying to prepare for the passage of the health care bills, which have so many mandates in them the cost of health insurance will necessarily go up.

  36. The Democrats will lose big in 2010 not only due to this garbage bill, it is just the caboose in a long line of offenses.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704007804574575584229775884.html
    Why Dems Are Obsessed by Health Reform
    They believe the liberal base expects them to deliver and will punish them if they don’t.
    Voters are increasingly worried about unemployment, but Democratic leaders in Congress remain obsessed with passing health- care reform. Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin was asked recently if a health-care bill would pass the Senate by the end of this month. “It must,” he said. “We have to finish it.”
    Still, many in the trenches are uneasy about the sprawling, complex bill they privately acknowledge has no bipartisan support, doesn’t seriously tackle soaring costs and will increase insurance premiums. That may explain Majority Leader Harry Reid’s haste—he has ordered a rare Sunday session this weekend to hurry up the debate. Public support for the bill averages only 39.2% backing in all polls compiled by Pollster.com.
    But buried in the surveys is an explanation for the Democratic obsession to pass the bill: An overwhelming 76% of Democrats back it. “They believe the liberal base expects them to deliver and will punish them if they don’t,” says Democratic pollster Doug Schoen, who worked for Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
    That fear is backed up by a new poll taken for the Daily Kos, the left-wing Web site: 81% of self-described Republicans say they are certain or likely to vote in 2010 compared to 65% of independent voters and only 56% of Democrats. “Democrats have simply not been given enough of a reason to come out and vote yet,” writes liberal blogger David Dayen. “The left is waiting for that long-promised ‘change’ they can believe in.”
    Mr. Reid’s own re-election troubles—he trails his two most likely GOP opponents by between six and 10 points—may be influencing his behavior. He needs his liberal base to turn out for him to have a chance to win. National Journal reports he included a public option in the bill in part because his staff felt he “could get the liberal left off his back for a while.”
    Other Democrats are in a similar bind. One Senate Democrat thinks the bill is bad policy. But last month that same senator joined with all of his fellow Democrats to bring the bill to the floor. The party leadership has made it clear that anyone who votes against health care will have a difficult time passing their own bills in the future.
    So the Senate death march continues. Many Democrats have grave misgivings about making the bill a top priority given the economy. But in the age of bloodthirsty partisan bloggers they dare not be fully candid. They can only hope their march doesn’t lead them right over the edge of a political cliff next November.

  37. NancyDrew-I thought the same thing.

  38. oldsalt77 -Can you see the videos on that? Old people dragged off to jail for not paying “tribute” to the government.

  39. Patriot Dreamer

    What insurance companies want is the individual mandate, because they will get millions of new customers – most of whom are not currently insured because they are young (in their 20’s) and think they don’t need health insurance. The insurance companies will get the benefit of having lots of new customers being forced to buy health insurance, but who are mostly low-risk, because they are young and healthy (for the most part).

  40. Nancy Drew ………………………………….

    BC/BS laid a 15% increase on you. While I don’t know anything about how many people are on your policy,etc to me such an increase from BC/BS is well within their way of doing business, and they are determined that ANY WAY they choose to conduct their business they are going to make a profit. That is the BOTTOM LINE with them. I was once a member of BC/BS. NOTICE …..I SAID “ONCE WAS” that was my primary reason for searching out my present supplemental carrier.

  41. Patriot Dreamer

    Senator Reid Compares Opponents of Health Care Reform to Supporters of Slavery

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/07/reid-compares-health-care-reform-foes-slavery-supporters/

  42. Pray that this works!!!
    Read the whole article at:
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/12/07/donofrio-confirms-chrysler-dealers-law-suit/

    Donofrio confirms Chrysler-Dealers’ law suit
    WITH ATTORNEY STEVEN PIDGEON, FILES QUO WARRANTO ACTION IN DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
    by John Charlton
    (Dec. 7, 2009) — The Post & Email can confirm this afternoon, that Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Steven Pidgeon are representing a group of Chrysler Automotive dealers in seeking legal redress to their loss of their franchises following the direct and unconstitutional involvement of Barack Hussein Obama in the Chrysler reorganization
    It is speculated that the action will involve a writ of quo warranto, where by Obama will be legally forced to prove that he legitimately holds office as President of the United States in accord with the requirements of Article II, section 1, paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution.

  43. Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., suggested Reid was starting to “crack” under the pressure of the health care reform debate.
    That was very kind of Mr. Chambliss, Reid cracked up a long time ago. This is a very bad bill, not well thought out and should be demolished. Only adjust the parts of health care in this country which really do need work- for example the 80 Billion in fraud-year after year. Contact the people who work in this profession-doctors, nurses, aides-I’m sure they have many good ideas to improve the system.

  44. Old Salt: My ins. is for my husband, myself & grandson.

    I was already dreading the usual annual increase, but 49%. Guess I’ll be shopping around. Hopefully it’s not the same with whatever ins. is available in NJ.

  45. Isn’t today the day a decision was supposed to come out of the Grand Jury in Tennessee?? Has anyone heard anything?

  46. oldsalt77 // December 7, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    BINGO!!

    I mentioned last year, I removed all wall hangings, etc., plugged holes, and painted over the holes…..the house is ready to sell……..I’m moving to a one BR, in the country if I can find it.
    I hope everyone gets it……but, Oldsalt, millions will continue to let their earned income become subsidizing for ‘the others’……
    When will this country learn???
    Will this country learn??

    You do know that there are already laws to take our equity when we sell our homes…..they have it all figured out…..we will end with nothing.

    I will live in my van before I agree to pay for the ‘porch sitters’.

  47. Michelle……………………………………..

    Unfortunately we are dealing with a large group of DEMENTED LIBERALS whose only thought is in HOW POWERFUL THEY IMAGINE THEMSELVES TO BE. In the case of MMMSSS. Pelosi it is her ONLY preoccupation. She is totally locked into her POWER INTOXICATION, and will always react in that regard to anything she attempts to do. Whatever she says will first be prefixed with HER HIGHNESS. In reality she is a paranoid schizophrenic person.She shows ALL of the CLASSIC symptoms. US Naval Officers are periodically screened, for FITNESS REPORTS, so why the HELL isn’t the third in command.

  48. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    I am now at $1200./mo. for 2 adults & my grandson.
    ************
    ND, I have a part-time minimum wage job….how do you do it?
    My teaching cert. didn’t even get recognized for an aide position in this county…..this county is cutting aide programs and some ladies at church may lose their jobs.

    We have no insurance.

    I thank God we are fed and warm.

    There is a doctor here who charges $30 for office visit…..Husband paid $19.50 for a blood work-up. When asked how he did it…….he said God allowed it…….he will be my new doctor in January when time to renew my one prescription of $5 monthly.

  49. oldsalt77-a few minutes with my hot headed Italian girl friend Ms. Pelosi would be singing a different tune. She is a shame and a scandal to the Italian community-on a par with Capone.

  50. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    I’ll have to drop my insurance & go to jail.
    **********
    I’m being nosy…..but wouldn’t it be wiser to place that amount in an interest bearing account??
    1200 a month for a year???? WOW!!!!

  51. JJ: It was actually 1278./mo. in 2008. Now for 2009 it is $1,469. Things were good in our trade a couple of years ago. Now we are spending our savings to keep going. We are buying another business & praying for the best. NJ actually charges you an extra fee to move out-of-state. It is OUT OF CONTROL!

  52. JJ: But JJ, if the “biggy” health problem happens, i.e. heart surgery or something, and we have no health ins., they will take our house!

  53. HEY JJ…………………………………………..

    What will all the POWERFUL CHIEFS do when there is no longer any WARRIORS to steal from?
    It is my intention to reduce all of my holdings to as close to zero as possible. There will be nothing that they can tax where I am concerned, except ; perhaps I will be taxed on the amout of carbon I exhale in 24 hours. A breathing taxation if you will. Perhaps I can soon perceive a condensing device that I will exhale into to capture the carbon from my breath. Then they can GO STRAIGHT TO HELL before I will pay the carbon tax.

  54. oldsalt77 // December 7, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    It’s a no-brainer, Oldsalt………go to jail for not paying exorbinant prices or get free healthcare in jail…….UHHHH, how often are the visits and do they put married couples in the same facility??

  55. NancyDrew, At least you have a house for them to take. I am on all government health care (medicare, tricare) and my premiums are going up and services going down with out a social security or retired military pay increase. I currently barely make it from one paycheck to the next and I rent. I’m not sure what I am going to do. Do I give up clothing, food, or rent. I have already decreased my internet to the slowest speed possible to save money and lowered my TV to the cheapest possible. Without broadcast tv anymore, I’m stuck with my dish tv or do without any news at all.

    Take my advice and stay at your current age. Don’t get any older.

    Sorry if I unloaded on everyone. I just feel very depressed today and had to get some things off my chest. I was listening to the EPA deal on co2 gases.

  56. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    That was about a 14/15 % increase!!

  57. HEY JJ

    Al Capone at least had a brain which he unfortunately saw fit to use in criminal ventures. Unlike him MMMSSS. Pelosi is a TOTAL NINCOMPOOP.

  58. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    JJ: But JJ, if the “biggy” health problem happens, i.e. heart surgery or something, and we have no health ins., they will take our house!
    ************
    Which is why I’m trying to get rid of this one and live in a camper……..I’m so discouraged!!

    I’m with Oldsalt, let them feed, clothe, and insure us in jail.

  59. OLDSALT & VAL
    In reference to Palin running for Senate. Her opponent would be Republican Murkowski a died in the wool RINO. I think Palin could easily beat her.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski

  60. Nancy Drew,
    It is out of control! This is one of the reasons why self insured programs have been becoming the most successful ways of affording health insurance. Groups buying catastrophic insurance with the balance going into a pool that earns interest far exceeds the growth of actual medical costs. The insurance companies have all sorts of other things they tack on to make up that 49% increase. Such as “governmental red tape!!!!”

  61. Don, believe me, we are all depressed & scared to death! But we have to keep on holding the line & fighting. Yes we are lucky we have a house, not paid off yet. Thank God for my parents leaving something to me & my siblings, or I do not like to think of what would be now. We worked hard & saved, also. But we have lost big time the past couple of years. Our business, drywall & construction has plummeted. We built a new speculation house in 2006, which we couldn’t even get an offer on until 2008. (I told my hubby we shouldn’t do it-I had a gut feeling real estate bubble would burst). We sold it below cost at a loss of about $50,000.

    Sometimes I think IF we could even sell our home, we would be better off renting, then there is nothing they could take away from us.

    Hang in there, friend! Oh, & I’ll try not to get any older.

  62. Patriot Dreamer // December 7, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    What insurance companies want is the individual mandate, because they will get millions of new customers – most of whom are not currently insured because they are young (in their 20’s) and think they don’t need health insurance. The insurance companies will get the benefit of having lots of new customers being forced to buy health insurance, but who are mostly low-risk, because they are young and healthy (for the most part).
    ********
    Sorry, PD, but I read the insurance co. think the young would rather go with the cheaper penalty than the expensive premiums…….just what I read from analysts.

  63. Patriot Dreamer

    Cost-benefit analysis of the stimulus bill:

    $246,436 per job based on the $157.8bn that has been awarded so far!

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2009/12/07/cost-benefit-analysis-of-jobs-stimulus/
    ****************************************
    So let’s do another one!

  64. If she has the best mentality that the Liberals have to offer, then pray tell what is the mentality of REID, DURBIN, LEAHY, DODD, SCHUMER, ETC, ETC. YOU GUESSED IT!……….”0″ That is why none of them can “REASON”.They don’t know what that means.

  65. When are we going to ask for academic review for all of these scientists that created climategate. When I took science in college, falsifying and creating fraudulent scientific data is a capital crime in the educational and science community. They need to have their academic degree’s and certifications ripped from them.

  66. My son, 25 year old, has the most inexpensive health ins. he could get. He recently had shoulder surgery. The cost was $83,000.!

  67. BRJAM………………..

    Perhaps somebody should start asking for grade transcripts from the alleged colleges that they allegedly attended.

  68. Patriot Dreamer

    JJ // December 7, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Yes, and then they will still be uninsured, but now the feds will get their $$$.

    I’m almost at the point where I’m going to call my senators and tell them if they pass this thing, then I will not comply. I will refuse to provide the IRS (health care “enforcer”) with any of my private health care insurance information. I will take all of our money (what’s left of it) out of our bank accounts (so they can’t simply take it). And when they come after me, I will tell them I’m ready to go to jail. How many of us “refuseniks” can they afford to put in jail?

  69. Interesting news…. at the Right side of life. Here’s the first couple of paragraphs.

    In what has become the first exclusive for The Right Side of Life blog, I have been able to confirm specific details of the excellent work that Dianna Cotter of the Portland Civil Rights Examiner began.

    My communications with attorney Leo Donofrio can now reveal that he, attorney Stephen Pidgeon, and lead Plaintiff James Anderer will be collaborating on the cases for multiple dealers for a Chrysler Bankruptcy appeal as well as quo warranto:

    here’s the link to the article….

    http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/12/06/source-donofrio-pidgeon-and-quo-warranto-in-dc/#comments

  70. Patriot Dreamer

    Copenhagen climate change summit spews more CO2 than 30 countries do in an entire year (combined):

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/warm_and_fuzzy_facts_RD1aMFGyyvy19b0ZTHaGwO

  71. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    JJ: It was actually 1278./mo. in 2008. Now for 2009 it is $1,469. Things were good in our trade a couple of years ago. Now we are spending our savings to keep going. We are buying another business & praying for the best. NJ actually charges you an extra fee to move out-of-state. It is OUT OF CONTROL!
    ************
    I hear you…..we all hear you……our savings have been gone since last year….we’re getting a hundred + a week started again with my part-time job…

    And we go nowhere, spend nothing…….will not ask for assistance, and I already sold a 86 Honda motorcycle and an old car.

    We are staying above water……right now I am heating the house with propane heater to save on the heat pump heating bill…it pulls double when below 35 degrees, there are ways to save.

    I pray for so many who don’t have heat and homes…….I get mad when govt wastes our money and steals other’s savings, pensions, mutual funds, 401 and other resources they worked and saved all their lives…….UGHHHH.

  72. zachjonesishome

    If the public option is passed, I would expect all of the private insurance companies to make what they can (rate increases/denials of coverage/firing employees) because they will be out of business when the option takes effect.

    Millions of businesses would stop providing coverage because they would not be able to afford it.

    Millions of insurance people out of work in a year or two and tax revenue would fall that is going to the Fed.

    It could very well be the straw that collapses the entire economy.

  73. OldSalt,

    Obama would probably try to block the release of that information too!

  74. NANCY DREW………………………………….

    It seems to me that he is old enough to be put on a Medicare Advantage plan if he is disabled,and perhaps receiving SSI. Or if he can be qualified as disabled. While I am not sure about this it seems that it would be worth looking into .The last time I asked an insurance pro a question I wasn’t charged for the answer. If that is still the case start asking all the questions you can think of, because it might eventually be called an “analysis” and you could receive a nasty billing for it. Be sure to verbally clarify if CONSULTATION is free,or not.

  75. oldsalt77 // December 7, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    HEY JJ…………………………………………..

    What will all the POWERFUL CHIEFS do when there is no longer any WARRIORS to steal from?
    It is my intention to reduce all of my holdings to as close to zero as possible. There will be nothing that they can tax where I am concerned, except ; perhaps I will be taxed on the amout of carbon I exhale in 24 hours. A breathing taxation if you will. Perhaps I can soon perceive a condensing device that I will exhale into to capture the carbon from my breath. Then they can GO STRAIGHT TO HELL before I will pay the carbon tax
    ***********
    Many laughed at California as the illegals took so many resources and the rich, wealthy, high-salary tax payers began moving……….

    Hey, Arnold ,…….who’s laughing now…..

    Oldsalt, you and I are not the only two Americans thinking like we do……there will be hundreds of thousands who will stop working, and as you say, who will support the ‘porch sitting, Oprah watching, late sleeping, beer drinking moochers’ then??

  76. The economy is teetering on collapse already! And when it does, the government has already been planning to engage the military and the police to calm all of us conservative terrorists!

  77. NancyDrew-I am sorry about your $50,000.00 loss. I grew up in a construction family. I’m sorry you didn’t listen to your “gut” I’m thinking your husband persuaded you. It got totally insane down here in Florida. The first two years of the dot.com real estate market were ok-investment, sold, profit. Then it seemed like everybody wanted to play the game. Too much speculation, zero per cent down, zero something for X years, etc. I talked to of my neighbors out of buying at the heighth of this insanity. What we didn’t know at the time Florida’s real estate taxes are based on milage, so the house that was sold with a $1,000.00 tax bill, now had a $10,000.00 tax bill. That should have been peoples first clue, but the party went on-until you saw everything fell apart-fast. Practically all they were building here were McMansions, nothing a sane person would want or need. The market will adjust but not sure of the timing. Construction always feast of famine. Lot of folks here rehabbing, remodeling.
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    If you want to shop or if you or your company have materials to donate, please contact your local ReStore.
    If a person is handy or looking for something different/odd etc. my neighbors and I love this place.

  78. JJ: People are getting REALLY ticked off & waking up. Something has to change. I call & write my representatives & remind them that they work for us, not the other way around. If I could sell, I would move out of this state. When our savings is gone, there is no way we could get jobs which would provide a paycheck to make it from week to week in this state. No one knows what to do, but we all keep trying to find a way!

    I am so grateful for this blog & all of you here. Can you imagine if they shut down CW & other citizen journalist blogs? That’s what Iran just did (again) ahead of student protests, so they can’t organize or communicate with one another.

  79. Don // December 7, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Decision with disconnecting tv or internet??

    At this house, I chose to disconnect the tv.

  80. Maybe I am just old and a little undereducated, but something I do not understand is, with the economy the way it is, WHY is congress doing everything they can to cause us (the citizens) to have less to live on or with? Why can’t most of this crap wait until the economy improves and then we “might” be able to support some of it.

  81. If and when things get messy and a revolution occurs. Somehow we’ll need to do an end around and cut off the head of the beast. We’ll need to get up close and personal with the Tri-lats, Bilders, and CFR’ers of the world.

  82. Patriot Dreamer

    Don, I think the answer to your question is here:

    “Why Dems Are Obsessed by Health Reform
    They believe the liberal base expects them to deliver and will punish them if they don’t.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704007804574575584229775884.html

  83. Patriot,
    Your are correct. Democrats are a bunch a Lemmings. Catch 22. If they don’t follow through they’re toast. If they do follow they’re toast. They are told that the thing to do to survive is to follow the leadership and hope the can salvage their job. In the process, they sell out America!

  84. What should happen is ” America come first”.

  85. Interesting news…. at the Right side of life. Here’s the first couple of paragraphs.

    In what has become the first exclusive for The Right Side of Life blog, I have been able to confirm specific details of the excellent work that Dianna Cotter of the Portland Civil Rights Examiner began.

    My communications with attorney Leo Donofrio can now reveal that he, attorney Stephen Pidgeon, and lead Plaintiff James Anderer will be collaborating on the cases for multiple dealers for a Chrysler Bankruptcy appeal as well as quo warranto:

    (and we think we have problems?? imagine your family and all employees losing their jobs because of your political affiliation?? )

  86. BRJAM……………………………………..

    I am glad to hear that Pidgeon is teaming up with Donifrio. He possesses a great deal of insight regarding Soetoro, both present, and past. If they can get along on a personal level then it will be a very great venture. I was in contact a few times with Pidgeon who graciously provided me with some Stanley Anne Dunham insight which was not published up to that point in time, and was pertinent to the search for her POE-INS documents which she would have generated when she returned to the US with Lil Barry under her arm. If she left the US without him ,but returned with him then there would have been a INS record generated when she passed through customs. I personally believe that this document is still out there ,and might be available to a skilled researcher. It will tell the ENTIRE story.There will no longer be any need for Soetoro’s birth certificate. The INS document will even tell where Lil Barry was born, and the icing on the cake is that it will also bear the signature of MMMMSSS. D.OBAMA. Anyone who can find this document will be sitting on a million dollars or more.

  87. I just noticed a new ad on thepostemail.com – maybe this can help some of you good folks with insurance issues.

    http://aimhealthplans.com/CompleteInsuranceGroup/index.php?fuseaction=home.plans_compare

  88. zachjonesishome // December 7, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    BINGO!! again

    It will begin a viscious cycle….one that will take this country to a place we have never seen in our lifetimes, zach.

    Those buying gifts and not storing food…….OMG….Lord help me if you come to my house……..

    I haven’t decided yet if Glen Beck was right…….we warned you as our duty to God, you wouldn’t listen and now, you can’t have my family’s food!!!

  89. Old Salt: No one here is eligible for Medicare or SS yet. I’m almost 56, hubby almost 57. And the real kicker is that although I run our business (or what’s left of it), I have not taken pay because the payroll taxes are just too much. So since they consider I have not worked for 10 yrs., if I retired at 62, I would get $436./mo. according to my most recent statement.

  90. Old Salt,

    There could not have been that many airlines flying to Kenya in 1961. Especially if she had to fly in and out of Hawaii. Flight(s) connecting in and out of Kenya probably would not have come back into the 48-states. The POE and customs would probably be in Hawaii wouldn’t it? Has anyone tried to figure out what airline route she would have taken?

  91. Don: In my opinion, it is being done deliberately to bankrupt the nation. Then they can control us. Watch Beck tonight. He said on radio today that this healthcare reform is not about healthcare at all, or abortion, or anything except money & control.

  92. Don // December 7, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Maybe I am just old and a little undereducated, but something I do not understand is, with the economy the way it is, WHY is congress doing everything they can to cause us (the citizens) to have less to live on or with? Why can’t most of this crap wait until the economy improves and then we “might” be able to support some of it.
    *************
    I believe it’s part of the Communist plan to destroy America……the very ones planning this are the ones with the income to have other places to run to when the SHTF……just thinking this..or why would they poop in their backyards??

  93. I also agree. It’s good to hear that Pidgeon and Donofrio and getting together. The article says, they are even opening up a joint office together. So I would venture to say, there has been some substantial upfront money put together for this law suit. Notice the article also said that this was not pro bono. I take this as a good sign!

  94. Things are going to be very lean here this Christmas. I told my husband I do not need anything. It is just plain stupid to spend money just to have a gift to open.

  95. Nancy,
    You are correct. And so is Beck! But some Obots haven’t a clue. They just think, do, and feel what they are told. It’s the leaders….Tri-lat, Bilder, CFR’s…that have hatched this plan and planted the Obama seed.

  96. My wife and I are just buying a few things for the kids.

  97. JJ,

    The Dems have a small window. Which is actually to too Gi-normous for me. But they have less that 14 months to pass what they can before they lose control. Unless of course, they make the whole thing collapse.

  98. JJ-Bryam-Don-just the news getting out that one political party in this case Dem’s would target people in this case Reps and put them out of business and all of their employees out of jobs is enough to make most Americans sick to their stomachs. I don’t think their customers were too thrilled either. Most Americans believe in dissent-not one party rule. I don’t believe I ever met two Americans who agree on everything, I include my own family. Lot of divergent views there.

  99. We’ve just experienced a 28.4% increase on our Blue Cross Blue Shield policy in Michigan. We have an individual policy because we’re self employed and have no employer coverage available.

  100. NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Things are going to be very lean here this Christmas. I told my husband I do not need anything. It is just plain stupid to spend money just to have a gift to open.
    ***********88
    I work at a “DOLLAR TREE” but with another name…….everything is $1……business is so booming……..know why???
    IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!

    I finally go to use that/

  101. NancyDrew-that reminds me of one of my favorite Christmas stories. O’Henry’s “The Gift of the Maji”. Magazine subscriptions are very reasonably priced especially if 2 are purchased and it is a gift that keeps on giving. One for you, and one for your husband.

  102. JJ // December 7, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    NancyDrew // December 7, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    Things are going to be very lean here this Christmas. I told my husband I do not need anything. It is just plain stupid to spend money just to have a gift to open.
    ***********88
    I work at a “DOLLAR TREE” but with another name…….everything is $1……business is so booming……..know why???
    IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!

    I finally got to use that(correct misspelling)

  103. Michelle: I will look that up. I’m still waiting for my subscription that I bought through a neighborhood kid raising money for his baseball team to ‘Guideposts’ a couple of months ago. My Mom used to send it to me.

    JJ: I love Dollar Tree. I go there all the time!

  104. Michelle // December 7, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    But don’t support the idiot magazines that support aka Obama.

  105. Michelle,
    I don’t have a link to the article, maybe someone here does, but it is true that in GM and Chrylser as well as the bank takeovers they have dismissed a disproportionate amount of conservatives for the benefit of liberals. In addition, the car dealerships that were canceled were also disproportionately owned by conservatives as well. It will be hard for me to knowingly hire or keep hired a far left liberal ever again.

  106. EVERYBODY……………………………………….
    Be very careful regarding alleged insurance companies. There are many new upstarts who are very questionable. Be really sure of them before you conduct any business with them. There are insurance scams left ,and right in Indiana,and probably every other state as well. Check out any company thoroughly before you do any business with them.Your State Department of Insurance, can help you, and if you are still not totally satisfied check them out with Better Business Bureau. One mistake can be very costly to fix. Also watch out on automobile warranty insurance ads. Most are scams. One to watch out for is US Fidelus. They morphed from the previous National Auto Warranty Co. They evaporated and resolidified as US Fidelus. When they evaporated there waas over 40 law suits against them from as many State AGs offices. They try to collect money up front,before they even issue an alleged policy. They are liscensed as COLLECTION AGENCIES. Don’t sign anything with them. Send it all back to them, Collect. There is also multiple medicare supplemental fraud going strong in Indiana, and sadly the state isn’t doing a damn thing about them.

  107. Don:

    December 7, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Don: In my opinion, it is being done deliberately to bankrupt the nation. Then they can control us. Watch Beck tonight. He said on radio today that this healthcare reform is not about healthcare at all, or abortion, or anything except money & control.

    ******************************************

    I know this sounds unbelievable, but it has been in the works for many years. It is their goal, in my opinion. They think we are using up their oxygen & that they (the elite) are so much better than we ordinary folks. Personally, I think it is the other way around.

    I know

  108. JJ-I was thinking along the lines of Ladies Home Journal, Popular Mechanics, Popular Science (I like them too). Woman’s Day, Family Circle. Not Oprah, or anything to do with anything starting with an O. I wonder if people can do a class action against her for not vetting the other O, and this is after Phil Berg sent her two letters that he was ineligible-one during primary, one just before the inauguration. She can’t say she didn’t know that he had “issues”.

  109. This has probably been posted here before. It is the story of Lloyd Marcus & the reason he is a black conservative. I really was moved by it & it explains alot, about how the politicians keep suppressing the blacks with handouts for votes. I hope it comes thru OK. I keep getting booted from CW blog. I have to keep signing out & back in to view. Something’s wrong with computer.

    But, please watch:

    YouTube – LLOYD MARCUS Black Conservative

  110. Sorry, hope this link works. Lloyd even cries telling his story. This better work:

  111. Patriot Dreamer

    Just picture them rationing your health care based on your party affiliation. It’s not so hard to imagine now, is it?

  112. BRJAM……………………………………..
    The CEO of GM was ILLEGALLY discharged by Soetoro. ONLY the Board of Directors can discharge a CEO, and then only after there has been a shareholders vote. The small town agencies were cut loose probably were attacked by GIBBS. He occupies a lot greater authority within the Whitehouse than many people realise. He is a total moron,and is deeply involved particularly where Chrysler is concerned. I personally believe that all of the cut dealers should get a class action suit on record, and filed. It will probably NOT ever be heard by any court, but it is ON FILE, and if tossed should be refiled as many times as necessary. This is because each time it is tossed out by the court shows contempt by the court. After Soetoro is brought down I believe that many of the judges who was in his hip pocket will be sweating bullets, and looking for anything to hang their hat on. If he is removed by Congress, the US Government will have thousands of legal actions filed against it. In all probability there will be credibility,and collectability in all of them.

  113. Nancy Drew
    the elite or those who think they are maybe they never heard the words “We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal”.
    I would like to know on what basis they think that they are elite? and it is not smart to bite that feeds you. We are the hands that feed the government, not the reverse.

  114. PD: No, judging from the govts. past action, it is not hard to believe at all.

    Michelle: I don’t know what makes them think they are better than us. Maybe their power as lawmakers & the D.C. crowd took over their souls.

  115. I forget which member of congress it was, but recently said that they don’t follow the constitution, they just do what they think people want. Lame excuse. Then I remember listening to audio of pelousy recently. Someone asked her if it was constitutional, all she could respond with was “Are you serious?” What in the world are they thinking & what exactly is really going on in DC. We are finding out, aren’t we?

  116. Nancy Drew @4:15 they have gotten so crazy in DC, I can’t put George Washington’s name before DC, it would be offensive.

  117. Michelle // December 7, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Nancy Drew @4:15 they have gotten so crazy in DC, I can’t put George Washington’s name before DC, it would be offensive
    ___________________
    That’s why I call it Chicago, DC

  118. Thank the Lord, we still own our souls & beliefs. These people ruling us have lost their souls & I think they are evil. VERY evil. I can see it in their eyes: obama, pelosi, reid, geithner, Bernanke, SO many of them.

  119. Patriot Dreamer

    I can also imagine the possibility of health care rationing based on your status as a member of a union (particularly a favored union – such as SEIU). Is that too far of a stretch? The federal government is already requiring union-only PLA’s (Project Labor Agreement) for government construction contracts.

  120. BRJAM…………………………………….
    Some of us are just a little above the moron level ,and know up from down, left from right, and as veterans still remember how to behave when the enemy is searching for us. Because he has to find us before he can attempt to do anything against us .
    Suddenly somebody’s son might be called upon to point his rifle at a family member, perhaps a brother, or a sister,or even his mother and father. How many of our military people are going to carryout such an order. I would question the legality of such an order ,and would be prepared to turn 180 degrees and point the rifle at the person who issued the illegal order. As a prior military I had that right, and this is still an article in the UCMJ. Any military person who is wrongfully convicted of disobeying an order that he/she perceives as illegal will HAVE TO BE REINSTATED with all BACKPAY,along with total and complete expongement of all action taken against them .All service records will have to be returned to their exact state as they existed prior to all action.Should the convicted person later be found to have been justified in not following a n illegal order. Each service will be mandated to promote all who would have had advancement in rate tests up coming, and will be able to collect back pay based upon whatever his/her rate at time advancement in rate exam was to be done
    Unfortunately I believe that our JELLY BELLY joint chiefs have sold out the military to Soetoro, and they didn’t even ask him to supply them with a copy of his birth certificate to prove that he is legally the CINC. I have been waiting for our top brass to act. As each day passes it becomes more ,and more unlikely that they will act to acquire proof of his CINC position. It seems like either Petraeus, or McKrystal would have been courageous enough to demand an answer. They would have to be awfully stupid to do this particularly based upon their oath of office. They are effectively executing treasonous orders given by the usurper.

  121. Jacqlyn Smith

    Hannity just reported that Tiger Wood’s wife moved out…..I don’t blame her…..what a disgrace….even more humiliating when played out on a world stage!!!

  122. Jacqlyn Smith

    Beck is starting soon……something unbelievable about the health care scam being announced on his show today!!!

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  125. brjam………………………………………….

    She allegedly did not fly from Mombassa to Hawaii. She is believed to have flown from Niarobi, to London, London to New York,or Boston,or Toronto. If she flew to Seattle where she was in classes on the 16th of August, she would have had to procced from Toronto to Vancouver B.C., then Entered the US via SEA-TAC International Airport, or if she flew from Boston she would have already been required to pass through customs, as would have been the case at New York. So in conclusion the INS document would have been filed at New York, Boston, or Sea Tac Int.(Seattle -Tacoma) Airport. However I am not sure if a Customs office existed at Sea Tac in 1961. Stanley Anne D.Obama gave birth to Lil Barry allegedly on Aug 4 1961. If she was in class at University of Washington on Aug 16, there wouldn,t have been adequate time for her to fly to Hawaii then return almost immediately to Seattle. She wouldn’t have been able to fly out of Mombassa the same day she gave birth. I believe that she didn’t leave from Kenya for at least a few days. This would have taken her to at least the 7 th or 8th of August. I don’t believe that she could have flown to Hawaii then returned to Seattle that quickly. But any way you stack it up she is proven to have been present at classes on the 16th of August.1961. This means that Lil Barry would have been with her in Seattle. Some have testified that there are people who saw her with an infant in Seattle. If I was still searching for the INS document, I would start looking at Sea Tac Customs office. Some of this info was provided by Pidgeon.

  126. BRJAM…………………………………

    It is my belief that her mother later flew to Seattle and picked up Lil Barry ,and took him to Hawaii. This makes a lot more sense. It was then that her mother registered him at Hawaii Department of Health, as having been born in Hawii. The laws that Hawaii uses allows a per son to register for a COLB (CERTIFICATION of LIVE BIRTH) no matter WHERE he/she is born. Most people know that this is NOT a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. This document will reflect the doctors name ,the hospital, the attending physician , the infant’s weight,and length, and time of day. So far Soetoro has spent way over a million dollars to keep this hidden. Would you have spent this much to hide something if it would all go away by spending a $20.00 dollar bill. If so I would think you are insane.

  127. Getting grave blankets ordered here. My daughter’s new in-laws are making them. Will make my trip to lay them on my Mom’s & Dad’s graves. I also do my nephew’s & cousin’s ( who died in Vietnam at age 19) since no one else does it.
    I’m late this year. Usually do it right after Thanksgiving.

  128. I highly recommend people read the links below.

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/yahoo-spy-prices/

    http://cryptome.org/

    The information above is no surprise to me.

    Kathy

  129. oldsalt77 // December 7, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    EVERYBODY……………………………………….

    Thanks, and everbody, watch for the cash back (not) when you use your credit card…..the cashiers key in a cash back and do not give it to the card holder…….when the friend comes through the thief’s check out, the thief hands her the cash back you didn’t get………

    CHECK BEFORE YOU SIGN THE RECEIPT!!

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