NC town hall meetings, Health Care, Kay Hagan, NC senator, Wilmington patriots, Obama government health care, Senator Hagan ignores constituents, Wilmington citizens hold town hall meeting, Youtube video

 

I am a natural born citizen of the US

I was born in a small town near the center of NC

My ancestors on both sides were in NC before the American Revolution

My ancestor, John Wells, signed the Tryon Resolves in August 1775

I am deeply offended by the actions and attitude of NC Senator Kay Hagan

From Senator Kay Hagan’s website:

“Hagan on board with stimulus, health-care reform
Johnston Herald

Wednesday, August 26, 2009

www.theherald-nc.com

By Andrew Kenney, Staff Writer

JOHNSTON COUNTY – U.S. Sen. Kay Hagan thinks the economy is on track to recovery, and she says health-care reform is a critical national goal.

Hagan, who took office in January, spoke with The Herald recently by phone.

The economy

“I think that the stimulus package is starting to work,” she said. “We’re seeing some of those investments in infrastructure and transportation and education.”

The money from the federal recovery bill is starting to flow faster, and positive signs have begun to surface, Hagan said. But a job-market recovery will likely not come until later, she added.

“I think jobs will lag a little bit behind … but once again, we’ve got the stimulus money out there, and we’re working hard to make sure we get the programs up and running,” Hagan said. “We’re running swiftly along those lines.”

This recession is a lingering one, but North Carolina’s workers could help pull the state ahead early, she said. “I think North Carolina has the most-eager workforce,” Hagan said. “I hear that from companies all the time.”

She sees education as a way to shorten the doldrums – and as a way to prevent another recession. Hagan has introduced a bill that would give schools money to teach personal finance to students in grades 6-12.

“Debt is good for you if you’re investing in a long-term investment, but not good for paying for your everyday expenses,” Hagan said. “It’s not rocket science; we just haven’t taught it.”

Health care

Hagan believes health-care reform is linked to economic recovery. Changes to health care could help small businesses, she said.

“I think small business is having a hard time with the health-care costs,” she said. “We’ve got to drive down the cost of health care.”

Under President Obama’s plan, a government-run program or nonprofit cooperative could compete with private insurance. For either to work, Hagan said, it must stabilize costs, ensure that people can use the plan and avoid adding to the federal deficit.

More money in health education could also drive down public health costs, Hagan said. She supports a bill that would give more money for diabetes education.

In recent weeks, some town hall meetings have echoed with protests against health-care reform. Hagan said that’s all part of the process and that the dour economy likely stirred stronger emotions and doubts about health care.

“I think many people are concerned about health care,” she said. “I think it’s important for the people in our country to be able to have discussions about any legislation, and you certainly have the right to do so.”

Hagan, a former state senator, said she has cherished her months on Capitol Hill. “It’s pretty exciting time, and I am honored to be serving the people of North Carolina,” she said.”

 
http://hagan.senate.gov/?p=news&id=286

No wonder Senator Hagan does not want to host a town hall meeting with her constituents.

Blindly following or embracing the Obama far left strategy will not work in NC.

 

I have never been more proud of my fellow NC citizens than when I watched a video of a town hall meeting they held after many attempts to get the attention of Senator Kay Hagan.

The good folks in Wilmington, NC have been busy. Here is a video of one of their Tea Part protests from August 22, 2009.

Was this an Isolated case of miscommunication? Apparently not. Senator Hagan was interviewed on WBT talk radio by Keith Larson on Friday, August 28, 2009.

http://larson.wbt.com/index.cfm;jsessionid=2a30f8c2526d5fb6c99e664dc532cd303c62

 

Senator Kay Hagan has time for a Health Care for America Now, a radical Obama controlled organization, town hall, but not time for her hard working constituents.

Please pass this along to as many people as possible. Even if you do not live in NC, Senator Hagan’s attitude toward her constituents is typical of many in Congress. If you do live in NC, make sure everyone in NC is aware of Hagan’s position.

If you would like to have a town hall meeting hosted by Kay Hagan and have her explain her position on health care or why she is not listening to the public, contact her or comment on this site.

Contact Senator Kay Hagan:

http://hagan.senate.gov/?p=home

184 responses to “NC town hall meetings, Health Care, Kay Hagan, NC senator, Wilmington patriots, Obama government health care, Senator Hagan ignores constituents, Wilmington citizens hold town hall meeting, Youtube video

  1. re previous thread, but posting my question here to ‘stay in the current’: will, or can, Officer Cheeks be charged with anything?…some form of obstruction, or conduct ‘beyond his legal jurisdiction’? Seems to me that unless some of the ‘small fish’ start being held accountable…it’s not going to work its way up the system to the bigger fish.

  2. this congressman say what ever they think will help their cause. yhey are non representatives and just dnc puppets

  3. CW, you sure have a beauty of a ‘Senator’ down there.

    Here’s what I don’t get: Don’t they realize that by alienating their constituencies they are, in effect, voting themselves out of office? Or don’t they care? Duck and cover ain’t gonna work, here, and even if the congressperson realizes that they’ll be hammered to the mat by holding these Town Hall meetings, just showing up is the right thing to do. Listen to the people. Address their concerns. Have a useful dialogue. If they don’t, they’ll get a one-way ticket out of D.C.

    I feel that many are of the opinion that once they’re in, they can pull a Ted Edward Kennedy (who, BTW, is being planted today in the midst of a tropical storm-very fitting) and hold the seat for 47 + years, as he did. The citizens are starting to wake up and vote these bastids out if they don’t feel they’re doing the job.

    If we’re allowed to hold the 2010 elections, it should be very interesting, to say the least. I’ll wager a few bucks that one Kay Hagan will be out of a job. I’ll be praying for her firing.

  4. Just watched the double-Beck vid posted by PD on previous link (had some catching up to do):
    I’ll summarize by stating that Mr. Beck’s reading of ‘the letter’, IMHO, has made the best appeal for the establishment of the Constitutionalist Party that I’ve heard so far…which now only needs its ‘leadership duo’ to be clearly named, so that those who want to ‘form a line’ will find the common ground to those points made in the letter.
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    Previously I had suggested that DeMint/Palin made for the strongest ticket. However, I’ve not heard as much as I’d like from either of them recently, and any enthusiasm they might have for forming such an alliance…both with each other, and with the Americans for the
    re-establishment of the Constitutional Republic.
    ———————————————————
    Thanks to sites like this, and YouTube, word is getting out about who needs to GO…but if the results is only a big VOID…that’s not a good thing. I’m not in favor have having someone GO until there is something more reliable to fill the gap…immediately. Like it was stated before: it’s not good enough to point out the problem unless a solution is prepared to fix it. It doesn’t do any good to be critical of the problem without proposing the viable solution.
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    I think I found myself waiting to hear Glenn Beck actually say something like, “Well, dang!; if folks are so disgusted with the old-party ranks as just not able or willing to represent the will of the people in support of our great Constitution…then maybe the time is ripe for a Constititutionalist Party to come front & center…and I’m going to join TODAY!”

  5. If anyone can’t go to DC for the march on Sept 5, there is a petition you can sign on americangrandjury.org for BO prosecution.

  6. citizenwells

    SueK.
    The old status quo of holding office is out the window with the internet.
    As the fired up young lady said to Phil Spector,
    “You have awakened a sleeping giant.”

    PS-As one of my friends said this morning, the only reason Hagan
    is in office is on the coattails of Obama.
    Obama won by a very slim margin in NC (much to my disgust).
    I would bet anything that Obama took NC with voter fraud.

  7. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    CW,

    Hagan, I imagine, is cynical, as she believes that power and money will get her re-elected because the dozos who vote will do whatever they are told on TV…

  8. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/

    Sunday’s Editorial: The Price of Shame: Obama has a “shame crisis” on his hands, and there seem to be only 2 solutions….

  9. CW, Thank you for reposting. And thank you for the kind words reguarding the faithful Wilmington folks. It seems that almost daily we have something going on. I just jump up , grab by signs, and go.
    I want you all to see a video a friend of mine named Annie made about their No Show Rep. , Suzanne Kosmas, in Daytona Beach. I find it to be an excellent video, and would love to see something similar made about Kay Hagan.

  10. SueK @ 12:35: this just my gut-answer…but I think Hagan, and those like her, are so Kool-Aid (Obamalaide) ‘drunk’ that they really CAN’T hear or accept that their ‘positions’ are in an jeopardy. I think they sincerely poo-poo the notion that they would actually get booted…I think if someone point-blank asked them the simple question, “Ma’am; what line of work will you pursue once your political career is terminated?”…she (they) would chuckle/scoff/laugh as though the question were a joke…and probably answer, “well, I don’t really think I need to worry about that…this is my life.”

    Someone’s gonna get a rude wake-up call, me thinks…then the shift will hit the fan.

  11. Is there anything we can do at the state level to get term limits added to the Federal elected Senators and Representatives that serve in DC. Or institute a law for recall by the State, when they refuse to impose the peoples will in their VOTES?? Just wondering! They definitely will not vote for term limits themselves! I’m tired of lifetime politicians.

  12. citizenwells // August 29, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Agreed, CW, Hagan rode the Obama wave in, just as MA Guv’nah Cadillac Deval Patrick did.

    Popular bumpah stickas (as we say) around here state ‘Don’t Blame Me; I Voted for Muffy’ (Mitt Romney’s Lt. Governor, Kerry Healey, who should’ve won).

    The Patrick and Obama slogans were nearly identical: ‘Yes, We Can’ and ‘Together We Can.’ Twin skanks, with the same campaign manager. See a pattern, here?

    Now, I don’t know how much voter fraud there was in the state of Kerry, Kennedy and Fwank, but I think we here can attest to herds of moonbat sheeples from the Atlantic coast to the NY border to Cape Cod voting for the party, and not the candidate.

    Praying that will change for all 50 (oops, sorry-57) states come election time.

  13. citizenwells

    LDacar.
    I was moved as I watched the Wilmington town hall meeting.
    I believe it is a great idea for the rest of the country.
    Do you all still want a meeting with Hagan or are you too disgusted?
    If you do, let me know.
    Wells

  14. Kay Hagen is an idiot. The Republican senator (Elizabeth Dole) she ousted was also an idiot. The people of North Carolina have a penchant for electing idiots. The last intelligent person we elected to ANY office was Jesse Helms.

  15. Re-do // August 29, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Right you are, Re-Do, and as I said, they believe that career politicians like Kennedy, Feinstein, and Byrd are the norm.

    Again, they pursue THEIR agenda, and not the agenda of their constituents.

    With the exception of very few, they just don’t give a damn-political status and playing in powerful inner circles are their goals.

    My Dad, and many other dads, granddads, moms, and grandmoms are flipping over right now ‘watching’ this all come down. Truth be told, I’m glad they’re no longer around to see what’s happened to the caliber of our elected representatives and our America.

  16. Fernley Girl

    I’ve never reposted one of my own posts before, but I feel this is important. And, when you are done reading the article read the first two posts. Then follow through…you only need to mail it to your 3 people in D.C.

    #

    Fernley Girl // August 29, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Previous SCOTUS rulings may stop the public option dead in its tracks.

    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/the-elephant-in-the-living-room/#comment-377

  17. citizenwells

    In fairness, I have contacted NC Senator Richard Burr.
    I will of course report on this.

  18. CW, Thank you for response. I would love to see Kay Hagan here, but after we have blasted her so many times with phone calls, faxes, emails, the video, I doubt if she dares to come to Wilmington. I have let our local groups know of your offer, and I will get back with you.
    As far as Senator Burr; we have not had much luck with him either.
    I wish we still had our Jesse Helms. He would be having a hay day with all this commotion. He would have made a comedy out of it all.

  19. I’m not in favor have having someone GO until there is something more reliable to fill the gap…immediately. Like it was stated before: it’s not good enough to point out the problem unless a solution is prepared to fix it. It doesn’t do any good to be critical of the problem without proposing the viable solution.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    outing the ***holes is a great start though!!!!!!

    Even with worse taking their places, the message is clear….we are your employers and you didn’t do your job and YOU’RE FIRED…START PACKING!!!

  20. just received in email>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    After meeting on health reform, Specter expresses surprise at public’s outrage – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com:80/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_638215.html

  21. JJ @ 2:44: I hear ya…I hear ya…

  22. OT: I certainly don’t mean any disrespect for the dead, and those who mourn the loss of a family member…but, dang it if my funny-bone didn’t bump up against something when I saw the Yehaa headline about a ‘stirring tribute’!!

    All I could think of was a swizzle stick in a martini!…now THAT would be a ‘stirring’ tribute…

  23. Re Do, you just completely cracked me up!

  24. must read……this is our representatives’ sentiment……vote them all out!!!

    After the meeting concluded, Specter told about two dozen reporters that he has been surprised at the rising anger and the number of people attending the meetings. As Democrats on break hold similar town hall meetings across the nation, the angry crowds have garnered headlines and some live TV coverage.

    “I’ve never seen anything like this,” Specter said.

    Outside, hundreds of people expressed disappointment the event was held in such a small venue. Specter staffers said the meeting was planned for two weeks and they did not expect a big turnout. They said it wouldn’t have been possible to switch the meeting’s location to a nearby arena that holds about 3,000.

    “This is obviously not a representation of the people,” said Celeste Wilson of Upper St. Clair. “The people in there are supporters. There’s normal people out here, and we’re not being put in.”

    Those who didn’t get in included Paul Ambrose, who drove two hours from Canonsburg and stood in a line that snaked around a large parking lot. Ambrose, who said he has adequate health insurance, thinks the bottom line isn’t about health care but about power.

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/regional/s_638215.html

    sorry about reposting but this is the real deal!!

  25. If the good and responsible American citizens of this great country are wise and smart, they will vote out ALL of the career politicians in 2010……that is if soetoro allows elections to happen.

    It is time for us all to realize that our government and elected positions need to come full circle and get back to new fresh faces and ideas, and to return to the basic Christian principles on which our Founding Fathers created The Constitution and our Republic.

    May God Bless each of us.

  26. LD @ 3:11: hey…whatever I can do to help…

  27. btw: I imagine at 007’s memorial the tribute will certainly be “shaken…not stirred!”…

    and what do you suppose will be reported about O’O8’s?…
    “Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?!…”

  28. I wonder how the TX rally went today with drawaline.

  29. Patriot Dreamer

    sunset // August 29, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Is there anything we can do at the state level to get term limits added to the Federal elected Senators and Representatives that serve in DC. Or institute a law for recall by the State, when they refuse to impose the peoples will in their VOTES?? Just wondering! They definitely will not vote for term limits themselves! I’m tired of lifetime politicians.
    *****************************************
    In U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1993), the U.S. Supreme Court held that it was unconstitutional for individual states to amend their state constitutions to add qualifications for prospective members of Congress that are more strict than that imposed by the U.S. Constitution.

    So, what can citizens do if they want members of Congress to have term limits? Amend the U.S. Constitution – not easy to do. Another way? Simply vote these representatives out after a certain number of terms.

  30. Patriot Dreamer

    West Virginia’s largest hospital has given its employees a choice: Get a flu shot, or get another job. [note: does not appear to apply to the swine/H1N1 flu vaccine]

    http://www.rdmag.com/News/FeedsAP/2009/08/life-sciences-wva-hospital-early-adopter-of-mandatory-flu-shots/

  31. Bob Chapman International forcast

    More to the public option than you know, presidents dont make policy, anger over bailouts at town hall, America’s debt will never be repaid, Make no mistake, higher inflation is on the way and probably hyperinflation. It will also be affected by a break down in the tax system as well. The trio leads to economic, financial, social and political dysfunction.

    http://theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/Economic_Breakdowns_Cause_Social_Breakdowns

  32. Patriot Dreamer

    From Free Republic:

    Report from a townhall meeting in San Carlos, CA with Rep Speier.

    “I just returned from our local town hall meeting on healthcare in San Carlos, CA with Rep Speier. She regurgitated the Pelosi talking points and then went on with more propaganda type answers. I was surprised that with HR 3200 likely to fail, she was still strongly advocating it. The hypocracy was incredible. Of course she spent the last 18 years bankrupting California as a state legislator and now she wants to tell us how government run HC will solve all our problems. Also notable was the number of Organizing for America representatives (easy to spot since they have name badges on, probably so she knows that she can call on friendlies). Roughly 1/3 to 1/2 were from OFA. Sad to see them refer to people with counter viewpoints as Nazis, yes, believe it or not we were called that by a woman using a microphone to ask a softball question. Happily, I had company in that what I could estimate about 1/3 were against. I had prepared a list of compelling questions, which I copied and thought I would share with others, but only handed to a few since I was quite intimidated with the OFA Astroturfers present. My question related to the home visitations provision of HR 3200, to which Speier replied that her interpretation of that section was different than mine. But in her answer she still said that the home visitations by government employees will only apply to poor people. Nice. Very nice. The government wants to start out telling poor people how to raise their families. Think they will stop there? Not likely.”

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2327598/posts

  33. Let me get this straight.

    obama’s health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  34. I’ve HAD it! I’m sick of hearing about people who become rich – forever! – off of everyday citizens, pretending to care about their constituents in the name of “public service”. SNORT!

    We keep talking about voting them out. Why aren’t we talking about RECALLING EVERY LAST SOCIALIST hiding behind a Democrat label?????????????

  35. Billions of our tax dollars for “preventive health programs”? Give us back our own money and they might be surprised that this drops stress, alleviates pain, and lowers hospital admissions, since personal pocketbooks are not being pickpocketed by the government. If the program isnot good enough for them, it is not good enough for anybody. That should be the first page of a 2-page bill. No government official or member of their family for 10 generations can buy other insurance than that provided by government.

  36. truthbetold11

    When the We the People finally speak up then and only then will we have justice. Meaning voices that remain silent. Tiger Woods,Tom Brady,Lebron James etc. They are the voices that will need to speak up against this tryanny to persuade most of america. This voices will be heard when they feel it in their wallets only.

  37. goodtimepolitics

    We have not seen nothing yet, wait until the elections and Obama really starts his illegal acts!

    Robert Moon of the Macon County Conservative Examiner wrote a good piece today on Obama’s Sleazy Witch Hunt!
    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2009/08/29/obamas-sleazy-witch-hunt-on-cia-interrogations/

  38. CW…………………………………………………….
    Interestingly back in December of 1941 Admiral Yamamoto allegedly told one of his junior officers after they finished the attack on Pearl Harbor,” I fear that all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant who will now consume all of us”, and GUESS WHAT HAPPENED.

  39. Katie @ 4:17: truly worthy of a ‘re-do’!!
    excellent!!
    ——————————————————–
    “…obama’s health care plan will be written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it and whose members will be exempt from it, signed by a president who smokes, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that is broke.

    What could possibly go wrong?”
    ———————————————————
    where are the politically correct on this? Maybe there needs to be a new task force…sorta like M.A.D.D….only, per Katie that would have to be:(We The People Against: thus W.T.P.A…): see if you can follow this:
    W.T.P.A.A.C.T.H.R.I.A.W.M.W.B.E.F.I.S.B.A.
    P.W.S.F.B.A.T.C.H.W.D.N.P.H.T.O.B.A.S.G.W.
    I.O.A.F.B.A.C.T.I.B.
    …would make a heck of a ‘bumpa sticka’
    …might only fit on a tour bus (one headed for a town hall meeting).

  40. OT: never been one to drink a martini…but today I have a an unusual urge for one…why is that?
    I do like olives…

  41. maybe a “Kamakazi…UP” is close enough…
    shaken…not stirred.

  42. citizenwells

    Yes oldsalt77.
    He knew about the potential of the US.

  43. Robert @ 1:59,

    What was it that happened to cause the ousting of Dole? Wasn’t it something she said? I can’t remember.

  44. Patriot Dreamer

    An update on the Officer Wesley Cheeks Jr. incident in Reston, Fairfax County, Virginia (in the Washington, D.C. metro area):

    “Editor’s note: Earlier reports that Officer Wesley Cheeks Jr. is a police officer were in error. Further investigation has revealed Officer Cheeks is a trained member of the Fairfax County Public Schools’ trained School Security Officer team. To contact the school’s security force, e-mail Fred Ellis, the director of safety and security for Fairfax County Public Schools, or Jim McLain, the security coordinator.”

    For the rest of the article:

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108307

  45. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Patriot Dreamer wrote:

    In U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (1993), the U.S. Supreme Court held that it was unconstitutional for individual states to amend their state constitutions to add qualifications for prospective members of Congress that are more strict than that imposed by the U.S. Constitution.

    So, what can citizens do if they want members of Congress to have term limits? Amend the U.S. Constitution – not easy to do. Another way? Simply vote these representatives out after a certain number of terms.

    ……………

    What is it about Congressmen, are they immune from prosecution during their terms? Can’t a state pass such laws, that would govern behavior of all politicians elected in the state, regarding, let us say ethics, and then we could catch them in some violation and prosecute them in state court and remove them that way?

  46. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    The reason why so many “Congress critters” (love that expression) are on board on this Death care bill is that it means that they will be in for a lot of cash under the table from lobbyiests for years to come if it passes; essentially what they are doing is not passing a health care bill, but passing a law that will garentee them income by such means…

    That’s why they are so eager for it, and so deaf to the people…its corruption pure and simple…

    But we need to point this out to folks…

  47. Dole approved a commercial that seemingly contained a voice clip of Hagen stating, “I don;t believe in God”. It made the news BIG TIME and was proven to be a LIE. Right then and there, I wrote Dole off my shrinking list of people to vote for. She could have called Hagen an idiot or even a commie and it would not have hurt Liz’s campaign, but when she stooped to that it destroyed her chances.

  48. FOLKS – WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US. THE MSM IS TURNING KENNEDY INTO A HERO LARGER THAN LIFE. JUST WATCHING THE MSM CABLE(INCLUDING FOX) ,YOU CAN BET THEY ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO NAME THE NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN AFTER HIM. WE NOW NEED A 2MILLION MAN MARCH ON DC SEPT. 12TH. LET’S ROLL

  49. Robert, Also Dole was a hands off senator. She was never in our state, as she lived elsewhere.
    Also, her voting record was really poor. Almost as bad as John Edwards record.

  50. ms. helga,
    You can bet money on the fact that the new health care bill will be called the Kennedy Health Care Reform Act.
    It makes me sick that he is now a hero, along with his brothers. He was nothing more than a lying, cheating, drunken, murderer.

  51. Leo Donofrio has a photo of Obama’s mother & father http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/zoom/html/2004334060.html
    Where was it taken?
    An airport?

  52. LDacar – Those traits make you a hero if you are a Democrat.

  53. Wait until the Catholics find out who he really is
    SHOWS HOW STUPID SOOOOO MANY ARE

  54. Stephanie, is this photo new? There’s a lot of fabric in that housecoat and Stantley Ann never struck me as modest.

  55. citizenwells

    Stephanie.
    Interesting photo.
    Looks like airport.
    Are those Christmas trees?

  56. zachjonesishome

    Just checking in. I have a lot of catching up here. I have been writing an article today. I’ll try to put it up tonight or in the morning. CitizenWells. I was shocked by the “it’s ain’t America anymore” youtube. That’s what I wrote about. Waiting to hear from Australia. It’s Sunday morning there. Take care, Zach

  57. Prairie // August 29, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Hi Prairie,

    I’m not sure about the Lame Cherry piece, but what I can say is that we saw him just after his sister Eunice died a few weeks ago. He didn’t attend her services and that last I saw of him was in a car (destination unknown) when Eunice passed. His head was against the headrest, mouth gaping open. Looked as if he was drugged or too weak to sit up…a zombie.

    The prognosis for his type of brain cancer, even with surgery, isn’t good. His life was extended by the surgery, but not for that long. I somehow don’t think that it was murder, but with the history of untruths and coverups the Kennedys are famous for, the truth will never come out.

  58. SueK,
    Amen. I just believe in poetic justice- like Favre and the Vikings.

  59. Stephanie, View all Obama photos, with skepticism, many of the photos are photoshopped fakes. Some photos, are so bad, they show, Obama, wearing two different numbers, on his basketball jersey.

  60. Off Subj:

    Breaking from Newsmax.com

    T. Boone Pickens: Oil Will Hit $300. Prepare Today.

    Quess TBP thinks the $ will be around when this happems..

  61. Heads up to Army Major Stefan Cook appearing on BlogTalkRadio, from Free Republic:

    Freedom Radio 8 PM EDT Aug 30 Honest Conservative w/MAJ Stefan Cook and Chris Freind
    Freedom Radio ^ | August 29, 2009 | Honest Conservative

    Posted on Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:48:51 PM by Sergeant Tim

    Join Honest Conservation Sunday, August 30, at 8 PM Eastern and share a NiteCap and a discussion with MAJ Stefan Cook, U.S. Army Reserves, about his lawsuit questioning President Obama’s birth nation. Also joining HC are Bulletin journalist Chris Freind to discuss both his recent fast ride as the ‘GIB’ aboard a F-16D from 177th Fighter Wing of the New Jersey ANG and the latest fast one being pulled by PA Governor Ed Rendell.

    The call in number is 646 478 5613 and here is the link to the show on Freedom Radio.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedom/2009/08/31/NiteCap-on-Freedom-Radio

    Have a great night!

  62. citizenwells

    Thanks Zach

  63. Great article by Denver’s Archbishop Charles Chaput about health care and the common good:

    http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/2440/Archbishop%27s-Column/

  64. Stephanie, that pic of Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann has been around a long time. It was taken at the same time and place as the one with Sr. and Jr. together. That is the only known pic of the two together. May have been taken at the time of their divorce.

  65. From The Obama File:

    Senior’s Christmas Visit

    “Senior only saw Obama once in his life, during this trip, and this is the only photo of Barry and Senior — the only one — ever. It was taken at the airport. The decorations clearly identify the visit as occurring during the Christmas season — December 1971.

    This photo, of Anna and Senior, was also taken at the airport. When the photo first made the rounds of the Internet, it was described as a photo of Anna and Senior’s alleged wedding.”

    http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/SeniorsVisit.htm

  66. Speaking of photos, the nude pics of Stanley Ann have been scrubbed from both Google and Yahoo. The entire page of the website that featured them has been disabled… including the text that linked her with Frank Marshall Davis. Davis is believed to have taken the pics.

  67. truthbetold11

    I told a 3 weeks kennedy would probably die around the time obama comes to visit marxist vineyard. And i figured obama would do some kind of speech. Just like mike jackson helped divert time away from the sinister agenda their trying to pull off. every death is a means to thier end game

  68. From Atlas Shrugs:

    “Why isn’t CNN pursuing the nude pornographic photos of Obama’s mom, Stanley (unretouched pictures here and here) allegedly taken by Frank Marshall Davis in his apartment. Obama’s spiritual father, Davis was a child rapist and famous communist. I never ran the pics, as it was unseemly and wasn’t relevant. But this assault on Palin is too disgusting. It’s time to tell the ugly truth about the enemy in the White House and his whores in the media. It is Obama operatives who are spreading the Palin lies. I strongly recommend that conservatives start sending emailing these family pictures. They know we won’t play dirty, so it’s time to play dirty.”

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/cnn-tells-sells-more-lies-about-palin-its-time-to-expose-the-truth-about-obama.html

  69. Thought you folks might like to read my latest blog entry, titled “Kennedy, Carter, and Obama.” Please leave comments if you so desire.

    http://chirpyrumblings.blogspot.com/2009/08/kennedy-carter-and-obama.html

  70. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    ms. helga // August 29, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    FOLKS – WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US. THE MSM IS TURNING KENNEDY INTO A HERO LARGER THAN LIFE. JUST WATCHING THE MSM CABLE(INCLUDING FOX) ,YOU CAN BET THEY ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO NAME THE NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN AFTER HIM. WE NOW NEED A 2MILLION MAN MARCH ON DC SEPT. 12TH. LET’S ROLL
    ***************************************************

    I did watch a lot of the funeral of Teddy today but I agree with you Helga…even though it was a moving ceremony to honor his service to America I don’t think we need these people in office for 47 years…now they want to name a young Kennedy to continue their legacy….I say enough Kennedy’s, Clinton’s and Bush’s.

  71. I pray the msm attempt to glorify Kennedy backfires. He never served America one day of his life, he served himself. The hypocracy is glaring, the abuse of money and power is shameful.
    I hope that before that man took his last breath the reality of his dispicable existance was obvious to him. I hope he had the state of mind to know damm well where he was headed. Forgiveness from God requires repentance. I watched the darkened ceremony and saw lighting in the sky. A sign that the heavens are not welcoming him.

  72. reposting: Plans since 1958
    http://sureynot.com/v/553/insiders

  73. Chirpy // August 29, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Great piece, Chirpy…a comment is awaiting approval.

  74. Prairie // August 29, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Well, Prairie, all I can say is that ‘Camelot’ died with him on Wednesday. The next generation of Kennedys (with the exception of Patrick ‘Patches’ Kennedy, the chronic substance abuser) seem to not have an interest in politics. This is great news for America! It’s time they found *real* jobs and *earned* a living, rather than take free rides on the taxpayers’ backs.

    Have you noticed that the Pope in unusually silent on Teddy’s passing? Perhaps because old Ted advocated abortion? Perhaps because he killed a woman?

    His own religion, his own Spritual Father on earth, and cetainly Mary Jo Kopechne, have not and will not welcome him.

    And ye shall reap what ye have sown. History will not be kind to him, and his lifes’ scandals will come to the surface; he’ll fade away into the oblivion he deserves.

  75. truthbetold11

    I live in mass and the kennedy thing is a bunch of sheep who don’t do their homework. this guy was dirty as they come.

  76. SueK,
    Thankyou. Your words have a calming effect on me at a time when fear and anger can be overwhelming. It is surreal times we are living.

  77. Jacqlyn Smith

    Dig this people….the OlberDUMB…open mouth reveal stupidity!!!!

    Olbermann: Fox News Watchers Are Paranoids and Racists | NewsBusters.org
    Source: newsbusters.org

    Even worse, in his view, folks that watch Fox News are “tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racists.”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/26/olbermann-says-hes-got-highest-rated-news-program-cable

  78. Chirpy–a wonderful, well-reasoned post. Thanks for pointing us to your site.

  79. A retired Navy Captain’s experience at a VA clinic yesterday. Pass it along:

    http://onemansthoughts.wordpress.com/2009/08/29/from-a-retired-navy-captian/

  80. Good article by a Democratic Notre Dame Professor saying O is either a socialist or communist:

    http://www.thatssaulfolks.com/2009/08/28/notre-dame-professor-obama-a-socialist-or-communist/

  81. I live in NC – we need to massively go after Kay Hagan – much education is needed for the average person to understand how their rights and freedom are eroding quickly. I agree I saw voter intimidation in NC.

  82. Prairie // August 29, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Hi Prairie,

    It’s often said that it all comes back to you, and I do believe that. Even though these days we see corruption and dishonesty at every turn, things do have a way of righting themselves.

    You can only live a lie, or hide from your past for so long…the truth will come to light. I believe this is true, no matter what kind of ‘relationships’ you’re talking about.

    Yes, the anger can be overwhelming, but I refuse to succumb to the fear. This is why CW’s site is so valuable; we can exchange info and someone is always an expert on something.

    We need to keep on and not let any kind of fear creep in, no matter where it comes from. Anger, sure, but fear, never!

  83. Jacqlyn Smith

    goodtimepolitics // August 29, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    I hate to break olbermann’s ego but just have to for a laugh!

    **********************************************

    Please don’t hesitate…he is a moron!!

  84. Well, I just sent this to Glenn Beck and Chuck Norris, just in case Glenn doesn’t get it, maybe Chuck will.

    Superior Court of the District of Columbia

    and this one,

    Dirty Uncle Sam

    I sent a very well though out, and descriptive email along with the links.

    They can’t truly fight the fight, unless they know the real root of the problem.

    Hopefully this will give Glenn a little more understanding of what he’s actually up against.

  85. zachjonesishome

    Wow. There are so many posts and link.

    twe // August 29, 2009 at 10:16 pm (edit)

    A retired Navy Captain’s experience at a VA clinic yesterday.

    One comment regarding the VA system. The big cities have major problems. I receive treatment from a tiny VA clinic and drive a couple of hours to a VA hospital when I need to see a specialist. The VA personnel in the smaller communities are caring and respectful of “their vets” and do the absolute best they can because they know what sacrifices the veterans have made for all of our freedoms. The VA in bigger cities get overwhelmed quickly.

    I have a friend that used to deliver medical supplies to the hospital I go to and he said the basement was super clean and organized. At a VA facility in a larger city, the basement where medical supplies were delivered was full of rats.

    My experience with the VA has been excellent, but it depends on the people you come in contact with. Some are 30 year people who see you as a number they have to get past to make it to quitting time. When I was in the Los Angeles VA, I had to be a whole lot nicer to get people’s attention. All in all, given the enormous numbers of Vets using the system they do okay. Not nearly as fast as private treatment, but okay with dedicated Doctors.

    I have heard Philly is a nightmare.

    What makes the difference is that the Doctors and Nurses respect what the Veterans have done for them and their families. I can only imagine a public treatment facility full with patients who are ready to file suit at the drop of a hat.

  86. Nancy Peacock

    New lawsuit filed by Captain Dr. Connie Rhodes. Wants clarification of Obama’s citizenship and eligibility to serve as CofC.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=4038

  87. Wow this was an excellent idea, just have our own damn town halls and put them up on YOUTUBE!!

  88. SueK,
    You touched on so much more than you’ll ever know. Anger, sure, but fear, never! I’ll be fightin mad again tomorrow after I just hold my kids tonight.

  89. zachjonesishome

    #

    Nancy Peacock // August 29, 2009 at 11:05 pm (edit)

    New lawsuit filed by Captain Dr. Connie Rhodes. Wants clarification of Obama’s citizenship and eligibility to serve as CofC.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=4038

    Excellent. I do believe that in the long run it will be military personnel who will achieve the tipping point. I salute everyone of them for their sacrifices.

  90. Prairie // August 29, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Prairie, hold on tightly to your kids and remember that whatever we do now, we do for them later.

  91. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    zachjonesishome // August 29, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    #

    Nancy Peacock // August 29, 2009 at 11:05 pm (edit)

    New lawsuit filed by Captain Dr. Connie Rhodes. Wants clarification of Obama’s citizenship and eligibility to serve as CofC.

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=4038

    Excellent. I do believe that in the long run it will be military personnel who will achieve the tipping point. I salute everyone of them for their sacrifices.
    ***********************************************

    Zach…do you know if this has already been dismissed….someone on therightsideoflife said it was but I didn’t see anything???

  92. Nancy Peacock

    Zach, I appreciate your article on the veterans. People do not realize that nationalized health care in this country could be the same treatment that our brave American veterans receive in VA hospitals, as well as what American Indians receive on reservations. The government cannot run those programs efficiently, so why do they think they can run a large program for the entire country? It will be, “Don’t get sick or injured after June because all of the money will be gone.” Both programs are severely underfunded, which lets America know exactly how the “government” feels about both groups.

  93. All an opposition candidate needs to do in the upcoming elections is show videos of the constituency being ignored, insulted, threatened, intimidated and locked out of these town meetings. That is a can’t miss.
    For Specter or any of them to be surprised at the peoples rage, do they live in the United States of America? any contact at all with the constituents ? can they read a newspaper? the Constitution? part of the problem the media black-out is affecting them? If this Congress is that out of it they don’t deserve to be in office.
    Obama’s Health Care Bill is a very very bad bill hanging anyone’s name on it is not going to improve it. Plus it is among other bad bills they already enacted. Instead of devoting dollars to spying on people and other dopey adventures put that toward health care. This is a huge power play that they are losing. I am a registered Democrat totally against Obama and the DNC regime as every loyal American should be. I really can’t understand why the Republicans are not on the attack yet(?). The last good piece of legislation the Democrats put up was the Civil Rights Act Title 7. Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty was a disaster, I believe the beginning of purchasing votes and really crazy ideas re:entitlement.
    I think most Democrats, exclude Obama’s die hard supporters (20 per cent at most) are up for a new party-Constitutional Party would be perfect. I don’t know how the Republicans feel. I know everyone is disgusted with the garbage coming out of Washington.
    Military people who keep their oaths would be ideal as the new leaders.

  94. Patriot Dreamer (@ 4:01),

    Wanna get Nancy Pelosi? Please, be my my guest.
    “NEVER LESS THAN A TREASON” (2 of 2)
    http://jbjd.wordpress.com

  95. Jacqlyn Smith

    Off the subject but read this amazing story…it will knock your socks off!!!!

    Reincarnated! Our son is a World War II pilot come back to life

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html#ixzz0PdZ3qUTC

    Found at…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html

  96. Is Obama even a bloody citizen AT ALL?

    Civil Rights Act of 1866 says:

    “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power . . . are declared to be citizens of the United States.” Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866 (14 Stat. 27).

    If Great Britain “governed”: to exercise legal and political authority over Obama at birth
    then how could the USA have “jurisdiction” over him? It couldn’t.
    Obama is therefore in violation of INA ACT 301
    Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;”

    All anchor babies are subject to the jurisdiction of their alien parents’ nations.

    ACT 301 does not undo the “any”…
    that means that Obama is not a US citizen at all, nor are anchor babies.

    The State Department’s Foreign Affairs MANUAL whored wording of the 14th amendment
    “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”
    to state
    “d. All children born in and subject, at the time of birth, to the jurisdiction of the United States acquire U.S. citizenship at birth even if their parents were in the United States illegally at the time of birth.”
    when in fact Section 301 of the INA statute says NO SUCH THING… It reads,
    “Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; ”
    same as 14th amendment
    ( http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/138?hilite= ) which means SOMEONE took CREATIVE WRITING LIBERTIES and was trying to make anchor babies born of foreign parents automatic citizens by circumventing both Congress and the Constitutional amendment process.

    Bots will try to construe Wong Kim Ark to mean that all native borns are US citizens, but WKA does NOT say that, it only applies to permanently domiciled Chinese who could not have naturalized no matter what they wanted to do. Wong Kim Ark does not specifically undo CRA of 1866, and though the 14th would take precedence (I’ve been told) it doesn’t contradict this and is built from it 2 years later. They will also say that “subject to jurisdiction” only means diplomats or foreign enemies, but again, the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is very specific in saying ANY foreign power, and it has never been changed nor superceded (except in the minds of some bots).

    Further the BNA of 1948 means Ann became a British citizen upon marriage, as women married to CUKCs under section 6(2) of the 1948 Act.

    Obama was a subject to a foreign power at birth, at best a dual citizen not eligible for even US citizenship by the CRA of 1866, and if his mother became a British Citizen under the BNA of 1948, he was not anything but solely a British citizen.

  97. The South,
    I sent the same links you sent to Beck and Norris to Judge Napolitano! : )

  98. The South, Fernley Girl et al, here is a website that explains a lot about these issues of an incorporated US vs a constitutional USA

    http://www.usavsus.info/

    My question is, I have read a lot about individually remaking yourself a sovereign, NOT a citizen or “person” under the enslavement of the corporate united states…but I want to know how we can get this 14th amendment nullified (since it is treason, illegal, unconstitutional and was never ratified anyway) so the country can go back to being as it should be.

  99. Hey, the mock town hall video from Wilmington was great! I was born there, all of my immediate family are still there and and all of my aunts, uncles and cousins live in areas “down east”(like they say in Charlotte, NC). I moved to the big city following a job but someday I shall return. Can’t get that town out of my blood. I did *not* vote for Hagan and won’t ever, but Dole ran a terrible campaign and was a bit out of touch.

  100. TO:
    abby // August 30, 2009 at 2:17 am

    Hey, the mock town hall video from Wilmington was great! I was born there, all of my immediate family are still there and and all of my aunts, uncles and cousins live in areas “down east”(like they say in Charlotte, NC). I moved to the big city following a job but someday I shall return. Can’t get that town out of my blood. I did *not* vote for Hagan and won’t ever, but Dole ran a terrible campaign and was a bit out of touch.
    =======================

    Time ot get a Veteran Consitutionalsit to run…lets get some of these disabled articulate young veterans to save their country again. We neeed a wave of such people in there.
    RECRUIT and PUT SOMEONE UP do this all across the country. That will be part fo teh Revolution

  101. Makers Of Vaccination Refuse To Take Vaccine

    Makers Of Vaccination Refuse To Take H1N1

  102. boo bho —

    There exists a treaty between the U.S. and U.K. concerning citizenship of American wives, negotiated after President Grant’s daughter lost her U.S. citizenship, which Congress restored to her after the death of her husband.

    So, Ann Dunham’s U.S. citizenship was NOT lost, just because she married a Brit. But you raise an interesting question — could she transfer her U.S. citizenship to her child under the terms of that same treaty? I don’t know!

  103. Morning, all –
    Just getting a post in before I get ready to go to church with the fam, and then head down to mom’s house to spend the day with even more fam. You know…all the stuff that leftists do.

    Cheers, for now.

    http://conrest.blogspot.com/2009/08/if-you-dont-mind-my-askingbut-for-what.html

  104. bho boo —

    Winston Churchill’s mother was an American: obviously her son was a Brit.

    My wife’s co-worker’s daughter married a Brit in 1999. I called and asked her, were her grandchildren Americans or Brits, and she answered, “Brits!”

    So, that is all that I know, now.

  105. The document that L. Smith is peddling is exactly the form and format that would have been required for Ann Dunham to return with BHO, Jr. to the U.S.A. in 1961.

    She did not have to enter the U.S. by plane in 1961, because many people still traveled by passenger liner in those days, which would have been the most comfortable with a new born.

  106. zachjonesishome

    Good morning!

  107. Jacqlyn Smith // August 30, 2009 at 12:27 am

    Off the subject but read this amazing story…it will knock your socks off!!!!

    Reincarnated! Our son is a World War II pilot come back to life

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html#ixzz0PdZ3qUTC

    I remember the late Paul Harvey told of this back when it was first revealed. It is a FAITH ENHANCER.

  108. Good morning,

    Someone on this blog usually references Gallup. I usually check Rasmussen and so, when I see the reference to Gallup, I realize BO must have gone down in the polls – otherwise, why would the person post this – and so, I know it is safe to check Rasmussen. Well, this morning, I checked Rasmussen before coming here. By my guest.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

  109. The Post America World,written by a Muslim

    See picture of him holding the book,scroll down
    http://www.riseupforamerica.com

    America should NOT allow communists in our govt.
    BAZZARE WHAT IS GOING ON.
    Where are the people with clout and money??
    Are they just letting this corrupt group to take over??
    Military died in VAIN???? PRAY NOT
    http://www.oathkeepers.org

  110. Good morning all! Happy Lord’s Day!

    Here’s an interesting twist…
    democrats.org domain name has been co-opted by spammers:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/28/democratic_party_419_abuse/

  111. Sen Harry Reid tells Las Vegas newspaper, “I hope you go out of business.”

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/56171937.html

  112. Linda from NY

    twe…that song was “Kewl!” You seem to find such fun things to take our minds off of the obvious. Thanks for sharing!

  113. Linda from NY–and thanks to you for teaching me the word “Kewl”

    The truth about political correctness (very interesting–it didn’t start when we think it did) 13 minutes:

    http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/___MSNBC_%26_The_Great_Liberal_Narrative3A_The_Truth_About_The_Tyranny_of_Political_Correctness/2343/

  114. Patriot Dreamer

    jbjd // August 30, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Good morning,

    Someone on this blog usually references Gallup. I usually check Rasmussen and so, when I see the reference to Gallup, I realize BO must have gone down in the polls – otherwise, why would the person post this – and so, I know it is safe to check Rasmussen. Well, this morning, I checked Rasmussen before coming here. By my guest.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration
    ****************************************
    jbjd, Thanks for sharing that news! I also like

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

    because it gives you an average of some of the major polls and also a graph which shows trends over time.

  115. Patriot Dreamer

    jbjd // August 30, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Patriot Dreamer (@ 4:01),

    Wanna get Nancy Pelosi? Please, be my my guest. “NEVER LESS THAN A TREASON” (2 of 2)

    http://jbjd.wordpress.com
    *****************************************
    Yes! I do not have a lot of time on the weekends to spend here, but I will come over to your blog.

  116. Stephanie-Jonah

    The picture does not appear to be a composite. I wonder what else a real good search of the Times’s archives might turn up. Perhaps some departure,and/or arrival dates of certain people, and maybe even with luck their point of origin.

  117. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    twe // August 30, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Sen Harry Reid tells Las Vegas newspaper, “I hope you go out of business.”

    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/56171937.html
    *******************************************

    twe…thanks for the post….I live in Nevada and will make sure I get this out to everyone I know…”Dirty Harry” needs to GO!!!!

  118. Instead of Dick Cheney doing interviews with FOX scorning the efforts of Holder and Obama in their goals of prosecuting the previous administration,

    Perhaps he should just come out and say….

    “I’m really starting to question the loyalties of this President”, and by the way, where’s the birth certificate?

    All this could be over in less than 24 hours, if one person with some balls would just stand up and say it!

  119. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/30/what_voters_meant.html

    This administration don’t really comprehend the saying “don’t tread on me”. They are surprised or worse, indifferent to the resistance they are now seeing.

    And yes Rasmussen today is reporting the highest ” strong disapproval ” rating at 42%, leaving only 10% moderately disapproval. That’s one hellava resistance.

  120. The practice when commenting of copying the relevant language from each and every entry is entirely understandable, BUT —

    It is beginning to make this blogsite more and more difficult to read.

    I wonder if there is anything else out there that is as effective, AND more readable!

  121. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Boo Bho,

    The problem with your argument regarding Barry jrs citizenship is that the Dunam Obama marraige was bigamous, and hence invalid in Hawaiian law…

    Discussed here http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com

    Editorial, Aug. 30: The Price of Shame

    ————

    That means if he was born in the USA, he was a nbc at birth, as an illegitimate child of an american citizen mother…not many have considered this…looks like a solid argument IF the marriage was nullified…?? Which is a big IF?

  122. Jacqlyn Smith

    I found this posted at http://www.therightsideoflife.com
    This guy is spot on about the present FRAUD in our White House!!! In my opinion the man he speaks of is a MONSTER and a FRAUD residing illegally in our White House he is not the POTUS…he will never be my President according to law and the Constitution of the US…..or any other reason for that matter…this Anti-American THUG needs to go!!!!! J:)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    This admitted doper, law breaker; phony has no proper credentials and is not a loyal American. Here is a list to jog your memory.

    By Joe Crews and Harvey Wysong Wednesday, July 8, 2009
    “It is a great pity when the one who should be the head figure is a mere figure head.”
    – Charles H. Spurgeon
    Barack Obama is less of a person than an image— a brand. People see whatever they want as they do on a Rorschach test. But does anyone really know him?

    In fact, he is:

    An empty suit.
    A man with no birth certificate.
    A man who was deserted in childhood by his biological father.
    A man whose birth records, both in the United States and Kenya, are sealed by government order.
    A man whose childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, spied on U.S. military installations in Hawaii for the Soviet Union, edited a communist newspaper, authored pornographic novels, and wrote poetry in praise of Joseph Stalin.
    A man mentored by and still supported by radical Muslims.
    A man who promised transparency in government, but has spent over a million dollars in legal fees hiding information that would determine his eligibility to be President.
    A former drug user.
    A man whose academic records are sealed from kindergarten through law school.
    A man who arrived in New York in June of 1981 without enough money to get a hotel room, but one month later flew to Indonesia andPakistan.
    Why did he go?
    Who paid his expenses?
    A man who traveled to Pakistan when it was illegal for U.S. citizens to do so. So what country’s passport did he use?
    A man whose Law School Admission Test scores and grades at Columbia University are known to have been mediocre, but was admitted to Harvard Law School through the intervention of a Saudi named Khalid al-Mansour.
    A law review editor who never published an article in any law review.
    A lawyer with no significant accomplishments in the law and no reputation in the legal community.
    A former State and U.S. Senator, who never authored a piece of legislation.
    A disciple of the Marxist Saul Alinsky.
    A product of the Chicago political machine—the most corrupt political organization in America.
    A man who selects Marxists, corrupt politicians, and criminals as his close political associates and personal friends.
    A man whose presidential candidacy was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist International, and the Workers International League.
    A man lauded for the literary brilliance of two memoirs, both of which were ghostwritten by others.
    A so-called Christian who says that knowing when the life of a human begins is “above his pay-grade,” but somehow knows that abortion is permissible at any stage.
    A man who thinks “waterboarding” is immoral, but that partial-birth abortion is moral.
    A man who publicly laments slavery in America—which was abolished 150 years ago—but praises Islam, which still practices both slavery and the sexual mutilation of young girls.
    A man who speaks endlessly about helping the less fortunate, but gives almost none of his sizeable income to charity—not even to his half-brother, who is living in squalor in Kenya.
    A man who had the most left-wing voting record in the United State Senate, but was predicted by the press to “govern from the middle.”
    A man who has never created a job, met a payroll, or even operated a lemonade stand, but wants to tell Detroit how to make cars.
    A President who has never before served as an executive in either the private or the public sector.
    A Commander-in-Chief who doesn’t know how to shoot a rifle, throw a hand-grenade, drive a tank, fly a plane, or con a ship.
    A Commander-in-Chief who has publicly divulged some of our nation’s most important intelligence secrets.
    A man who has been put in charge of the largest economic engine that ever existed, but has never invested in the stock market and admits total ignorance of it.
    A President who says that science will guide his administration, but has no education in the sciences.
    A man who is proficient in reading what is written for him on a teleprompter, but jerks and stammers his way through any off-the-cuff speaking.
    A man whose health records are sealed from childhood to the present day.
    A man whose educational records are sealed from childhood through law school.
    A man who spent 20 years in a church whose pastor espouses Marxist Liberation Theology, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Semitism, but claims he never heard his pastor utter anti-American, and anti-Semitic statements.
    A man who added more to the National Debt in 100 days than all other Presidents did in the past 220 years, yet feels qualified to lecture Americans about “fiscal responsibility”.
    A man who publicly expressed disdain for the U.S. Constitution on a Chicago radio station because it limited the government’s ability to “redistribute wealth.”
    The first American President to bow before a foreign head of state—a Muslim dictator.
    A man who sits and listens submissively while his country is castigated by Daniel Ortega—a Communist thug whose own daughter accused him of raping her.
    A narcissist who gave the Queen of England a present from the United States –an iPod containing recordings of his own speeches.
    A so-called Christian who officially declared “Pride Month” for a lifestyle that the Bible calls an abomination.
    A man who wanted Americans to ignore his Muslim name during his election campaign, yet boasts of his Muslim name when he travels to Muslim countries.
    A man who can name hundreds of America’s shortcomings, yet none of its great accomplishments.
    A President who claims the moral high ground by closing Gitmo yet supports the transfer of terror suspects to countries where horrific torture is certain.
    A President who scoffed at being called a socialist yet acted to nationalize the auto industry, the banking industry, and the insurance industry . . . and now seeks to nationalize the healthcare industry.
    A President who violates private property rights, the sanctity of contracts, and the rule of law—three essential principles that go back over a thousand years in the Common Law tradition.
    A man who promised 95% of all Americans a tax cut, but is increasing taxes on 100% of the population through inflation—the cruelest tax of all.
    A lawyer who represented ACORN—an organization now indicted in several states for voter fraud—whose stated goal is to get as many people on welfare as possible in order to destroy our financial system.
    A President who cheated GM’s bondholders by giving their property to the UAW in a political payoff.
    An American President who frequently criticizes his own country when speaking in foreign countries, but never praises America’s generosity, goodness or greatness.
    A President whose Secretary of the Treasury cheated on his taxes—as did several other appointees and advisors.
    A President who, despite the current federal debt of 100 trillion dollars, wants to add the greatest debt ever by nationalizing healthcare.
    A President who scoffs at being called a socialist, yet has appointed 35 “Czars” to circumvent constitutional government, including:
    A “Science Czar” who has advocated compulsory abortions for American women and the “surrender of sovereignty” to a “comprehensive Planetary Regime.”
    A self-professed communist as his “Green Jobs Czar”.
    A “Pay Czar” to regulate the pay of corporate executives.
    A President who swore an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic,” yet has nominated a domestic enemy of the Constitution to the Supreme Court.
    A President whose Homeland Security Chief classified pro-lifers, veterans, and supporters of traditional marriage as terrorists.
    A President who stood silent while the Iranian government hacked unarmed protestors to death with axes, because it was an internal matter, but freely offers his opinions about the internal affairs of Israel and Honduras.
    A President who decreed that true acts of terrorism must now be described as “man-made disasters.”
    A President who cracks hurtful jokes about Special Olympians.
    A President who refused to intercept or inspect a North Korean ship virtually certain to be carrying Weapons of Mass Destruction toBurma.
    A President who wants to cancel all missile defenses while rogue nations are developing long-range ballistic missiles.
    An American President who blames the violence in Mexico on America.
    A Commander in Chief who claims to have been unaware that Air Force One was taken on a terrifying, low-level photo-op over Manhattan.
    A President who berates American CEO’s for flying in private planes at private expense on company business, but whose wife spends hundreds of thousands tax payer dollars flying to Paris for a shopping spree.
    A President who promised a transparent administration, but requires all questions be screened before “impromptu” appearances.
    A man who freely admitted that his energy policies are designed to bankrupt the American coal industry.
    A President who has presided over the loss of 14.7 million jobs and whose “energy policy” will cause the loss of another 1 million jobs.
    A President whose “energy policy” will increase the average American’s utility bills by over $2,000 a year in the middle of the Great Recession.
    A man about whom liberal journalist Tom Brokaw said, “There’s a lot about him we don’t know.” . . . just one week before the election.

    The vast majority of Americans do not know who he is, but someone surely does. Someone paid for his travel expenses to Pakistan and Indonesia. Someone engineered legal challenges to all of his election opponents for the State Senate and had them disqualified. Someone straightened and leveled his path to the U.S. Senate when a Democrat Judge made public the child custody records of his Republican opponent. When he was a candidate for the U.S. Senate, someone arranged for him to speak at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Someone saw to it that all of his records were sealed, both at home and abroad. Someone assembled the massive organization for his run for the Presidency. Someone knows all about him.

    Who?

  123. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Zach Jones,

    That many of the signers of the Declaration of Indepence or signers of the ratification papers for the Constitution, were freemasons, is a long ago debunked assertion…a few were free masons, a few were catholics, most were protestants and some were Anglicans (episcopalians). They were God fearing: its debatable whether Freemasons are god fearing, since they openly espouse the worship of a 3 headed spider-demon as their god, for 33rd degree level masons…

  124. Civis Naturaliter Natus

    Regarding the photo on Leo’s Blog, showing Obama Sr. and Dunham together:

    I note the following:

    1) Its in the pre-Christmans season, as you can see 2 christmas trees iluminted in the back ground.

    2) There is a sign in the upper left corner which clearly says “San Francisco”…

    Is this a train station, or an airport?

    If it was taken at Christmas, in what year would this be? Obama Sr. was at University of HI from fall 1959-spring of 1962, and is alleged by personal friend Leo Odera Omolo (thepostnemail.wordpress.com “Born in Mombasa?”) to not have had money to travel. We know he attened Harvard fall 1962-spring 1965, so I do not see any way Obama Sr. could be traveling at Christmas time.

    Is it perhaps the Boston Train Station or Airport?

    Bostonians…? Investigate….

    I say this because I have seen the allegation that in the late fall of 1962, Dunham visited Obama Sr. in Cambridge, MA and spent a month with him, with Barry jr…..but where is the baby in this photo?…his absence seems to indicate that it is Obama Sr. who is traveling, not Dunham.

    Therefore there is something strange about this photo…What is that San Franciscan sign doing there?

  125. cnn–would you please post the link to the photo? Thanks. I tried to find it but couldn’t.

  126. cnn–never mind…I found it!

  127. BOB………………………………………………………..

    In thinking about your comment regarding Dunham returning to the US by ship in lieu of air. She was attending class at University of Seattle only a week after Lil Barry’s birth. I would think that returning by steam ship would have made her really tardy. In those days England to US was down to about 4 days.(SS AMERICA ) also very expensive. Then she would still had to fly from New York to Seattle. I tend to think that she flew from Kenya to London, from London to Toronto and Toronto to Vancouver BC, and possibly entered the US in the Vancouver WA, entrance point, and filed through customs in Seattle. Would have been a lot faster. But I am only guessing.

  128. I heard this about the Cash for Clunkers program, but I don’t know if it’s true. I heard that the amount of money you got in the deal, up to $4500, is going to be reported to the IRS as income, so anyone who did this deal will see the amount of the rebate showing up as income on their next tax return. Well, I know this happens in an underhanded way whenever you settle with a credit card company for less than what you owe. The credit card company simply turns around and reports the difference to the IRS as income, and you are stuck with a huge, and often unexpected, tax bill. I wonder if all those people who did this Cash for Clunkers deal were told their rebates would be reported as income on their next tax return? By law, no one is required to tell you about this, but it is sneaky as hell. If true, there are going to be a lot of angry people taken in by Cash for Clunkers and the general “something for nothing” mentality.

  129. Gianni,

    All corporations are required to notify you of tax liabilities in the event they are reporting it to the IRS. It must be in the contract somewhere. My guess is that it is buried somewhere in the paperwork and people just aren’t reading it.

  130. CNN……………………………………..
    If you look closely at the photo there is part of the word “FRANCISCO” showing in the upper left close to the edge. In considering where it appears I would think that the whole word is San Francisco. If that is the case I would think that the photo was takrn somewhere in California.

  131. GIANNI………………………………………………….

    My youngest son availed himself of the Cash for clunkers program. He called up his accountant who is a CPA (operating his own service) who told my son that he had not yet received any information from the G_MT. In the same breath he also said….IT’S POSSIBLE! I would personally take this to mean……..PROBABLE! Just because it might be camouflaghed in the contract will not exempt anyone from owing federal, and possibly state income tax on the transactions, which could end up that you gave your vehicle away, because Soetoro already had his hand on your billfold when you signed the dotted line. However if he is ever proven to be the usurper that he is everybody might have a real good case against him in class action. The entire program would be invslid because he was NOT the president. BEST ENCOURAGEMENTICAN OFFER!

  132. zachjonesishome

    #

    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 30, 2009 at 1:16 pm (edit)

    Zach Jones,

    That many of the signers of the Declaration of Indepence or signers of the ratification papers for the Constitution, were freemasons, is a long ago debunked assertion…a few were free masons, a few were catholics, most were protestants and some were Anglicans (episcopalians). They were God fearing: its debatable whether Freemasons are god fearing, since they openly espouse the worship of a 3 headed spider-demon as their god, for 33rd degree level masons…

    I don’t know where you get your information. George Washington, John Hancock, Franklin and good number of others were Free Masons.http://www.calodges.org/no406/FAMASONS.HTM

    My father was a 33d Mason, my two older brothers are Masons. I joined overseas. I was raised Baptist.

  133. twe // August 30, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Wow, twe! I’m surprised that boston.com, the online version of that bastion of liberalism, the Boston Globe, would print anything slightly derogatory about Saint Ted.

    The article is spot on, and I don’t believe that JFK would have any part of today’s Democrat Party; his recently-deceased bro, however, defined the radical left wing of the party and was one of its ‘champions.’

    Thanks for the link! Are you here with us in MA?

  134. Hard to believe that some of the Senators and Congress would not want the country taken over .
    Any loyality to American citizens,their friends,their grandchildren??Un believeable,that they don’t do anything.
    Do they really not see what is happening??
    Who will stop this crime of destroying America,the Military??
    Enough of this

  135. zachjonesishome

    I think I’m going to watch a little golf and see what Tiger is up to. He’s one heck of a golfer. Back later Zach

  136. Union Labor Head as CZAR over All Industries?????
    This is Crazy.
    America,are you waking up????
    http://www.riseupforamerica.com
    Links to Glenn Beck shows
    http://www.investigatingobama.blogspot.com

  137. Linda from NY

    Food for Thought: Lengthy article, but could explain why our pretend president hates America:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obama_as_leninoid_1.html

  138. zachjones —

    Actually, at the time (1776) the American Revolution was called in England — “the Presbyterian Revolution” — because of the religious affiliation of the men who actually fought in the war.

  139. twe-Thank you for the article from the Globe. HIS NAME was Kennedy. He was the preeminent figure in the Democratic Party. And he was a resolute supply-side tax-cutter.
    President Kennedy was also opposed to Communism (big time) and considered all Americans as well Americans (their Constitutional birthright). This aberration of a Democratic party is the diametric opposite of the Democratic party that existed at JFK’s time.
    Today I supposed JFK would be considered an arch-conservative. The Democratic party lost it with Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society (more rammed throught legislation without the proper checks and balances). The dream didn’t die. It was slaughtered.

  140. Linda from NY // August 30, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Hi Linda, and thanks for the link.

    Everyone should read this, especially our military personnel.

    Food for thought.

  141. Old Salt —

    I travelled by the S.S. Rotterdam (3rd) class from New York to LeHarve in the summer of 1961. The trip took 4 and 1/2 days, and was VERY affordable, since the dollar was so STRONG in those days.

    I returned by freighter from Hamburg to Montreal, and that was even cheaper — so travel in those days was quite a bit different that you might imagine.

    Anyway, my father traveled on business around the world several times a year in 1961, and he traveled from Nairobi to Kandahar to Singapore to Hong Kong to Tokyo.

    His “Point of Entry” was Anchorage, Alaska, before traveling on to Chicago.

    He kept a daily journal, which I still have.

    Air travel was very affordable, because fares were regulated, and the dollar was strong.

  142. CNN says:

    Boo Bho,

    The problem with your argument regarding Barry jrs citizenship is that the Dunam Obama marraige was bigamous, and hence invalid in Hawaiian law…

    Discussed here http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com

    Editorial, Aug. 30: The Price of Shame

    ————

    That means if he was born in the USA, he was a nbc at birth, as an illegitimate child of an american citizen mother…not many have considered this…looks like a solid argument IF the marriage was nullified…?? Which is a big IF?

    ********************

    Obviously this writer has missed the point of the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution giving instead status to Hawaiian law to circumvent the Constitution.

    At best, Barack Obama is native born, which he admits on his website, because he knows it, and so do both parties.

    His website also admits Dual Citizen status at birth.

    Violation of a Hawaiian law has nothing to do with Natural Born status as pertains to the Constitution as Natural born pertains to the citizenship of the parents, not of the legality of their marriage.

  143. song // August 30, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Hi song and bho boo,

    If I’m not mistaken (and please correct me if I am) the popular definition of NBC is: Child born on U.S. soil to two citizen parents. To my knowledge, nothing is said whether or not the two citizen parents have to be married.

    If this is true, he still fails the eligibility test due to his father (whether or not he was married to the mother) being a Kenyan citizen.

  144. My sentiments exactly.

    Always necessary to ferry around the smoke and mirrors arguments that crop up here and there.

    You say it much better than I, but we totally agree.

    Totally.

  145. Why do I torture myself, I went to DNC web-site and found this. This is almost a joke. If the most corrupt administration was Republican under Nixon, Obama/Democrats out did him 100 to 1.
    Open, Honest and Accountable Government
    We will end the Republican culture of corruption and restore a government as good as the people it serves, starting with real ethics reform.
    The Democratic Party is committed to real ethics reform and meaningful campaign finance reform that protects our rights and ensures that elected officials act ethically — not just within the law, but within the spirit of the law. Democrats offer an aggressive reform package to reverse Republican excesses and restore the public trust.
    We are committed to immediate change to lead our country in a new direction, to put an end to Republican business as usual, and to make certain our nation’s leaders serve the people’s interests, not special interests. For us, this commitment spans our lifetime, as we were elected to represent the people, not the powerful.
    Our goal is to restore accountability, honesty and openness at all levels of government. To do so, we will create and enforce rules that demand the highest ethics from every public servant, sever unethical ties between lawmakers and lobbyists, and establish clear standards that prevent the trading of official business for gifts
    Liars, insane people, both ?-you decide.

  146. http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/56171937.html

    Vegas paper not intimidated by Harry Reid’s bullying. An example of the developing tone for the country.

  147. BOB-
    Your right Holland American lines operated some real nice ships. I have heard my brother mention the Rotterdam in conversation some years back.My brother has spent over 50 years of his life in the US Maritime Service (Merchant Marine). He was a Kings Point graduate. Whenever we get together you can imagine the spirited jesting that goes on. I was Navy, and he was a Merchantman. Traditionally we aren’t supposed to get along. We do though. He was among the original crew (engineers)aboard the SS United States when she was completed in 1953. She was then the largest passenger ship in the world.Some of todays cruise ships are a little larger,but not by very much. Swedish American Lines also operated some really great passenger ships. They almost lost the SS Stockholm in I think it was 1960 or thereabouts she collided with another ship nearly head on while entering New York harbor. I’don’t remember for certain but I think it was the SS Andria Doria that was the other ship involved which was lost. Fortunately since my brother has held his Master’s lisencure he has not had any accidents. He has held his master’s papers for about 28 years. He has skippered 3 ships in the interim. He could have retired long ago but he keeps on going. He is 74. His wife travels with him a large part of the time.

  148. Michelle,

    It is obvious that the Democratic party as it functions now, is a party which has manufactured movements utilizing Unions, Media, and other organizations. Nothing about them is inherently real. Not to say there aren’t many fine Democrats.

    This has gone on for a long time.

    The town halls and the tea parties have revealed most clearly their modus operandi as well as their inherent weakness .

    Throughout history the State has always sought to destroy individual rights. It is up to Americans to maintain these rights for in my estimation if we do not?

    Then who will?

  149. CNN —

    While bigamy is illegal in Hawaii, it is a “misdemeanor.”

    British law recognizes the mother ONLY if the name of the father is unknown, or cannot be determined.

    Mombasa is the one city in Kenya that recognized the Mohammedan Marriage Law — by treaty with the Sultan of Zanzibar. Most Kenyan politicians in 1961 were practicing Christians.

    The fact that he was a Moslem kept Obama from advancing high in the Kenyan government, which is why he went out of his way to socialize excessively. Sharia law remained a hot issue in the last presidential election, and led to riots.

  150. Obama knows he was born a British citizen at birth, as Hawaiian law had nothing to do with this issue.

    Not then.

    Not now.

  151. Thanks venice–great article. Glad someone is standing up.

    Gianni–that tax on cash for clunkers is apparently true. I posted a link to this a few days ago…but I don’t remember under what CW article. It’s out there though. So, I think you can find more on it now if you do a search.

    et⚇–not originally ✞…not into much self-disclosure

  152. ps….**NEW POST**

  153. Linda from NY

    twe: Thanks for the info on the Illinois Health Care System…probably did not surprise you in the least considering the level of corruption in that state, did it? Me, neither, but thanks for sharing!

  154. TO:
    Civis Naturaliter Natus // August 30, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Regarding the photo on Leo’s Blog, showing Obama Sr. and Dunham together:

    I note the following:
    ==================

    Pic of BO sr and jr and Stanley.

    Look at BOTH pics same place same time.

    http://www.theobamafile.com/_opinion/SeniorsVisit.htm

    This is an Aiport I don’t remember a train sattion having these type of counters.

  155. NBC is a state of birth, at that very moment are both parents US citizens and the birth taking place on US soil? THAT is NBC

    However my argument revolved around whether he’s even a citizen at all, since the Civil Rights Act of 1866 precludes native borns from being US citizens IF ANY of their parents is governed by a foreign power.

    CRA1866 is STILL in effect, Wong Kim Ark did NOT supercede and the 14th just validates it.

    I know that blows the socks off everyone who thinks anchor babies are born citizens—they are NOT.

    Remember, they cannot be drafted UNTIL they reach age 18 and THEN they must take an oath of naturalization and fill our selective service forms, meaning all that time until age 18 they were pre-naturalized non-citizens given the benefits of US citizenship.

    Since Barry never took any oath of naturalization, he is still an illegal alien.

    Wong Kim Ark specifically ONLY applied to the Chinese parents because they were disallowed from naturalizing even though they were permanently domiciled… This is very different from parents who choose NOT to naturalize like aliens.

  156. Remember the term “jurisdiction” in part a) of the 14th means legally 4 subsets
    1. geographical
    2. personal
    3. legal
    4. political

    an anchor baby could vote in their parents’ countries, but technically not here, nor could they be drafted here because there is no political jurisdiction over them
    however they could go to jail because there IS legal and geographical jurisdiction over anybody here

    With full naturalized US citizenship comes full jurisdiction. Until naturalization, an anchor baby is merely the US born citizen of another country, because they are still under that country’s JURISDICTION.

    This still holds today.

    Obama was born under British jurisdiction, arguably American too, however he could not have had ANY US citizenship unless he naturalized because the British citizenship forebade giving him that US citizenship at birth. He never naturalized.

  157. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

  158. You cannot be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” if you are governed by another country, because you are not subject to the draft, conscription, or other demands of the government if say both or one of your parents is non-american, you are ALSo beholding to their country’s jurisdiction. Until you naturalize as a US citizen, and are fully accountable for all types of jurisdictions, you are not a US citizen with ALL ITS RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS.

  159. Since this year the USA spends $ 2 trillion on health care and there are less than 100 million wage-earners who can afford $300 or more per month for health care that means the all-inclusive one-payer plan averages $20,000 per year per wage-earner. Thats $1667 per month each, or $3333 per 2 wage-earner. To balance income with outgo even with severely graduated tax rates so the median is $300 per month, just what reductions ion health care payments do you accept? How about instead of medicare $970 you are responsible for the first 2777 ? I had to cut benefits in half to balance.
    Thats only part of reductions necessary and we haven’t covered the influx of health care that will simulate Hawaii’s free health care experience.
    The siolution is to add a deduction to all incomes without health care insurance to pay for critical care only. In other words, MedicAid backup.
    We need to denbate income and outgo balance in townhall meetings, not shouting matches who likes and who does like government control.

  160. Warren,

    Not about the Government????
    When the Government is in direct violation of the principles of the Constitution, and specifically Articles I, II, IV and Amendments 3, 4, and 10 with this Government ran Health Care (as currently written), then how can this “Not” be about the Government? If ok to violate, then when the Government violates the 1st and 2nd amendments or any other(s) it so desires, then it again would not be about Government, right?

    Health Insurance falls under the “Commerce Clause” as a “Service or Product”. ……..the government cannot force Americans to buy something they don’t want under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

    Health Insurance, or any Insurance for that matter, is not a “Right” guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution!!!! If it were, then that would mean the “Government” has Unlimited enumerated powers to “force” U.S. Citizens to purchase other products and services as well, which they do not, and for good reasons. If the Government was “so concerned” about the cost of Insurance, then they would simply fix the problems in the Private Sector that “they” themselves created, thus driving up the price to consumers. But that would be too simple, therefore, it is not about cost, it about power to grab 1/6th of the Entire U.S. money in the Economy, and spending it how they see fit.

    Therefore, it is “ALL” about the Government and their overreach of powers not granted to them in the Constitution.

  161. Klaus Röth

    Dear Sir Mr. Chapman, more than 30 Year`s ago, i have been reading Books from Mr. Griffhin, like the Bankenverschwörung and no dear call it conspirathy and manyother´s and where always interestet in History, Politik, and so may other things. I`m politikwise not wright and not left, but rather for Thruth and wright. My Parents have been murdert and what where belong to my father, Imobilian and al lot of money, was stohlen, with the help of Lawyercrux and people of the Court . It tookt me almost 30 Years to find out, why in Germany one can not get wright and has to do with Mafia-Politik.

    About 2 Years ago i got to the Alex Jones Show, and listen almost avery Day, and here you also one`s a Week. I certenly agree with you People and I`m a privat Person and end of this Year 63. I`m in a Very good contact an therm`s with a German Verein official registert. see http://www.zds-dzfnr.de pleas look at this, if you can read German.

    As a German I`m aware, that we Germans have to free ouer self, by asking for a peactreaty and shut have been done, long time ago, by the so called German Goverment, in a election for a Grundgesetz ( Constitution ) bei the German People themself. The so called Goverment have not don this, becourse oure Politischen are as corrupt as in Amerika or elseware and kontrollt by the same crux Rothschild ect.. This is why Germany ist still not souveran, but still or again, unter wright of war like after 1945 and mayby you and your people don`t know this ?

    I`v you are interestet, i would like to communicat with you, about to help you, Amerika und Germany and the world, to screw this Inter. kraut.

    By the way, I`contacted the Lawyer of Mr. Demanijuk and told them about what Mr. Jim Traficant told by Alex Jones and he ask me in a email to tell him, wher he can see the youtubfim of Mr. Traficant, which I gave him.

    I´belief that you know, that in Germany one can not ask Questions to the so called Holokaust, becourse of the $ 130 StPO, which is becours of the Alliierten Bereinigungslaw of 2006 /7 out of power, but and still be used by the court.

    Sorry about my bad english whrigting, i think my speaking is better.

    My Wife is part German, but born in Southafrika, but at the moment at sleep.

    My privat Tel. Nr. ist : 0049-241-56009949

    I`m not religios but say like Alex, God pless you.

    Regards Klaus Röth

  162. Klaus Röth

    Mr. Chapman,

    pleas look at http://www.joh-nrw.net, and you can learn more about History.

    Regards Klaus Röth in Germany

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