Canadian health care system imploding, Obama health care, Canadian Medical Association, August 16, 2009, Dr. Anne Doig, patients are getting less than optimal care

The truth about Canadian health care:

“Top doctor says system ‘imploding'”

“SASKATOON–The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada’s health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care, and she adds that physicians from across the country – who will gather in Saskatoon today for their annual meeting – recognize that changes must be made.

“We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize,” Doig told The Canadian Press.

“We know that there must be change,” she said. “We’re all running flat out, we’re all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.”

The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there’s a critical need to make Canada’s health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that “a health-care revolution has passed us by,” that it’s possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and “that competition should be welcomed, not feared.”

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.”

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Thanks to commenter Patriot Dreamer

146 responses to “Canadian health care system imploding, Obama health care, Canadian Medical Association, August 16, 2009, Dr. Anne Doig, patients are getting less than optimal care

  1. They are moving towards market base. Some people know that if they can convince a vet that their doctor needs a medication they can get it at a tiny fraction of the cost of private pay up there and in only a few minutes. Imagine getting cortisone pills through your vet…”OK Fido, now limp for me!”

    As Canada moves to market base, we will have to cross over the border to get THEIR healthcare!

  2. convince their vet doctor that they need a medication

  3. Patriot Dreamer

    Off topic: A new Twitter from Glenn Beck:

    Keep being a watch dog. FIND OLD SOUND OR VIDEO on the czars before it is all deleted. Copy it and send links please. Look 4 radicals quick

    I’m not sure who Glenn Beck means by the “4 radicals”, but I’m assuming he means Science Czar John Holdren (forced abortions), Green Jobs Czar – Van Jones (self-described anarcist and communist), ‘Cost Benefit’ geek and Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein, and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel.

  4. Patriot Dreamer,

    Health service in Canada has been reaching a critical state for some time. But despite that you will note that they remain “patient centred”, not ideology centred.

    It is common for Canadians to cross the border to obtain an MRI or attend the Mayo clinic, where their largest numbers are significant.

    They also have private clinics that are not widely discussed but have become necessary due to long wait times.

    It is one thing to have to wait several hours in the ER for a sore throat, its another for time dependent treatments, like a child with cancer.

  5. y’all must be glued to the 72nd hole at the PGA with Tiger down by one…
    nice that I can get that on my computer, live.
    (stuck on 4 comments for more than 5 minutes…must be a new record ‘lull’….

  6. Ah…the ying and yang of the game of golf…

  7. The oldest joke on the government-run care from Canada and throughout the industrial world is this –

    “What do you do when your doctor tells you that your condition is serious?”

    Answer: “Make plane reservations to America.”

    The problem Obama has discovered is this — the rest of the World can offer a lot of welfare programs, while the U. S. pays its military to protect the free world. Americans have always wanted a first-rate Military that was capable of protecting the free world, and have always gladly paid the bill.

    But, we also like first-rate Health Care, and you simply do not get that by turning Health Care into welfare. From what I read now, the White House is in full-retreat!

    What they are proposing now should have been proposed from the start, and this would all be behind us by now.

    If they have the ‘not-for-profits’ be charitable not-for-profits funded through organizations such as the United Way, and that focus primarily on ‘catastrophic illnesses,’ there will be huge savings all around, the contributions paid into these associations would be ‘tax deductible.’

    Other countries would then modify their programs to emulate the U. S. health plan, because their own ARE ‘imploding,’ as the Canadians will tell you as they get off the plane in this country to see a doctor.

  8. cq // August 16, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    cq, who is this guy Heneghan and is he credible? I’ve heard his name but don’t know much about him.

    If this is true, we’re in deep sneakers.

    BTW, how’s this hopey-changey thing workin’ out for everyone?

  9. truthbetold11

    Tiger loss today, obama must think the caddies acted stupidly and this is a teachable moment

  10. Evening, everyone –

    CQ – I’ve been all over the martial law stuff for a long time now, and I am in no way discounting the possibility, if for no other reason that these lunatics have been planning this for 100 years,and this is their time….they’re certainly not going to let something as silly as a national election get in their way. With the Democrats’ approval ratings dropping with three times the force of gravity since they’ve now been exposed, the Messiah is going to have to do SOMETHING drastic to maintain a hold on the hopes of his ideologues.

    The other stuff, however…I haven’t discounted the possibility that this entire healthcare crap has also been a giant diversion for something else more ominous; so, there’s something about what you’re saying that makes some sense. For all of this to happen in a flash, though…it seems a bit too steep.

    But….I’m preparing for anything.

  11. truth11, it is too bad, Tiger missed so many putts by the narrowest of margins.

  12. citizenwells

    Funny you mentioned health care being another diversion.
    I had that same thought this AM.

  13. citizenwells

    PS-I return to my puppeteers and puppet strings remarks I made some time
    ago. Obama is in place for a purpose. At least some members of Congress must
    be aware of what is happening behind the scenes.
    Is there a cosmic event that the govt knows about?
    Perhaps we are being blackmailed by China or Russia.

  14. Tell you what, CW…my main concern is that now that we’ve kind of ‘won’….in that the public option is now going to be taken off the table…that is the time when we have to step up our efforts even more. It seems that that is the moment when leftists choose to strike…when our proverbial ‘guard’ drops momentarily.

    Guard up, people…we just had a victory.

  15. citizenwells

    Yes, John, no more complacency.

  16. Hi John and CW,

    I thing that we were all thinking that something big was coming down, and soon.

    This guy is a study in diversions, eh?

    Healthcare, flu, takeovers of private industry, banks going bust just to name a few of the recent diversions, and he’s only been in eight months!

    Question: If this bank holiday does indeed come down, can you tell me what I might want do with the few small accounts I have? I know about flu, but not too much about finances.

    Help? TY :).

  17. truthbetold11

    watch the campuses this fall this is his breeding ground. watch

  18. citizenwells

    Great post at the RSOL:

    Natural Born Citizenship: Statutory versus Constitutional

  19. John Feeny, democrats are jumping ship like the rats they are. The people who thought their taxes were not going to go up will be soon to follow. Their bid for socialism, via registering, every person, in this country, into their data base, for health care, will have been, defeated.
    Did you see the Ronald Reagan video the other day, posted on this site? He had the democrats, nailed to a T, in their attempt, to socialize this country, via health care. If you haven’t seen it go back and watch it, it is an eye opener, and very much applicable to the events of today.

  20. Stand Up Against the Attempt to Censor Glenn Beck.

  21. Bob –
    I understand everything that you’re saying….but this guy and his cohorts are not going to go without a fight…this is their one and only chance to force socialism/communism upon us….if they don’t succeed, the Democratic Party as we know it will cease to exist. They know this, and they can’t let this opportunity pass. It’s going to get very interesting around here over the next six months.

  22. I think that guy in the video that said Obama is now impeachable, had a good idea!

    We should start a Grassroots movement, calling for Obamas impeachment.

    Maybe if we put enough pressure on our Congressman and Senators like we did with the Health Care “Kill” Bill, they’ll wake up and listen.

    If they know WE are ready for him to go, and point out the impeachable offenses, and let them know if they don’t start impeachment proceedings against him, we’ll vote them out of office.

    Trust me, if they get wind that we’re all going to vote their sorry ass’s out of office if they don’t start impeachment proceedings against him, they might just turn coat on the Commi and jump ship.

    Politicians aren’t loyal to anyone, not even Barack Obama, especially if they feel they’ll be back to roofing houses if they lose their elected positions.

  23. I thought it was a “win” when I read the Yahoo news article about dropping the public option,
    but I don’t trust them not to pull something else out of the hat.
    52,000 Americans being investigated by the IRS for Swiss bank accounts that are undeclared
    according to article in Columbus Dispatch today.
    WTVN Radio—today had a caller state that during the Virginia visit of Obama on healthcare
    that the Secret Service pointed rifles out of
    vehicle windows when the Presidential entourage drove towards their destination.
    Can anyone confirm or reject this??

  24. Don’t know what kind of “health co-ops”
    obama’s group has in mind, but that’s apparently what they’re going to look into next.
    I can say rural electric co-ops work pretty well.
    But have no idea how this would compare with
    health care. ????

  25. Usurpers can’t be impeached–only legal presidents. Obama must be arrested. He has certainly done enough to be arrested!

    Yes, I think Obama and thugs will do something to save face, retaliate, or come up with another total take over control of every American’s private life. They love power far too much to walk away with their tails between their legs.!

  26. usapatriots-shout,

    BO did not usurp the office of POTUS. Millions of people voted for (electors for) him, because NP and the DNC Certified to state elections officials, he was eligible to be on the general election ballot. (I can only wonder how many of those people who voted for him had no idea he hadn’t proven to the D’s, he was a NBC.) No; the process was legal. No one was forced to vote for him; and he did not force people to vote for him. Congress could impeach him to get him out of office. But I don’t think this will be necessary, as soon as the election fraud complaint to the AG of one state bears fruit.

  27. jbjd, I disagree with the above statement . It was intentional and illegal for the usurper to use hypnosis


  28. John/South/USA

    I made a prediction over a month ago that the Obama bubble would burst late Aug or by mid Sept. It’s a given that Barry will NEVER resign. He must be arrested,
    and the sooner the better. Bear-uch is about to fall and this bear might get ugly and angry.

    Recent bear crap…

    Senate Ethics Cover-up Chris Dodd’s Countrywide scandel.

    Special interests are re-writing the Health Care bill.

    Clunker Program: Government is not paying on time. (If the government can’t manage this program, how do you expect they will handle the Health Care Program)

  29. Go after Nancy Pelosi and the road will
    lead straight to Obama.

  30. “The Fierce! Urgency! of Now!” argument Obama used in the primary and continues to
    link over in everything he tries to ram through
    today. No one has time to “read” the bill, Americans aren’t given time to “think” about the
    implications of the Administrations actions,
    everything is NOW—must be done quickly,
    no time to waste, no time to listen to the nay sayers, the urgency of now always in Obama’s mind AND his trying to transfer that urgency into our minds as well.

    He is a dangerous man in case you haven’t noticed.

  31. Hypnosis or not, bottom line is, without a telepromter, he comes across poorly. (despite all the MSM’s help).

  32. jbjd // August 16, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Hi jbjd,

    One non-legal opinion (me): I believe that he *did* usurp the Presidency because even though Fancy Nancy did certify him, HE knew he wasn’t eligible.

    I agree that the *process* was legal however, the players weren’t.

    I’m with Maddie-get her, and it’ll be all over for him.

    I hope there’s an AG somewhere who has the stones to go forward with this. I think that even his own party is getting tired of the lies.

  33. Maddie, there was a video on the trip to virginia and the SS service had their guns at ready, pointed at the people assembled along the route. I can”t remember if it was a Youtube or not .

  34. SueK–
    Heard some people are putting their $$ into
    Euros. I am going to look into that, but have no
    further info. Also, gold seems to be another option.
    But don’t go for the “Swiss” secret accounts—
    IRS is investigating 52,000 Americans on
    this (as per info on my earlier post).

  35. Joy // August 16, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    Maddie, there was a video on the trip to virginia and the SS service had their guns at ready, pointed at the people assembled along the route. I can”t remember if it was a Youtube or not .
    That’s it—exactly what the caller to WTVN
    said today. My husband and I thought it was
    a “mistake.”
    Can you believe guns are now being pointed
    at the “tea party” protesters?!!!!!!!
    It’s like we’re living in a 3rd World Country!!

  36. I agree with Robert Ouellet — the Canadian system does need to change. I look forward to seeing what he has to say after his fact-finding trip, but unfortunately it will probably fall on deaf ears here in Canada.

    This does not mean that the US system doesn’t also have to change. I have an open letter about health care to my American neighbors on my blog, if you care to read it.

    cheers …

  37. See ya all tomorrow. Need a little sleep now.
    Hope I can keep all this “mess” out of my mind!

  38. Everyone,

    FYI…I alluded to the following fact on the blog but, I will emphasize this in an upcoming post: in some states, the person who has to Certify the party is a NBC is the Chair of the state D party. For example, in some states, I saw letters from those state party Chairs to the state elections officer, swearing BO is the party nominee and including NP’s Certification. What I mean is, citizens can absolutely go after state party Chairs for election fraud, too. (How are the state party Chairs going to respond, by claiming, NP said he was for real and I believed her? Can you imagine the result if we could get millions of people to understand that no one other than NP (and Alice Germond) vouched for BO’s authenticity to get his name on the general election ballots? But the DNC wouldn’t even vouch for him on the FTS web sites, which, as you can see from the footers, are now sponsored by the DNC, saying BO is a “native citizen.”)

  39. maddie // August 16, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Thanks, Maddie-I’ll do some more research on it. Very uneasy about this-I don’t have a lot but what I have, I’d like to keep!

    Sleep well.

  40. Sorry, that should have read, “In some states…Certify the party NOMINEE is a NBC…”

  41. jbjd,

    I think we may see a repeat performance of this in 2012. The Republicans are looking at Bobby Jindal. While he seems to be a terrific guy and a good Governor, he’s not an NBC, either.

    Deja vu all over again?

  42. That just bears out the point that the Republican party is willing to keep on acting outside of the Constitution just like the Democrats are doing now. This whole government needs a dressing down and we need to get people in there that can stop this BS.

  43. HI jbjd

    I often defer to your wisdom. I know you are very knowledgable in legal matters. However, perhaps you could explain Dr. Edwin Vieira’s statement in his article–

    Obama Should Stand Up or Step Down

    The last sentences in this excerpt are most interesting on this subject.

    “In disposing of the lawsuit Berg v. Obama, which squarely presents the question of Obama’s true citizenship, the presiding judge complained that Berg “would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.” This is exceptionally thin hogwash. A proper judicial inquiry into Obama’s eligibility for “the Office of President” will not deny his supporters a “right” to vote for him—rather, it will determine whether they have any such “right” at all. For, just as Obama’s “right” to stand for election to “the Office of President” is contingent upon his being “a natural born Citizen,” so too are the “rights” of his partisans to vote for him contingent upon whether he is even eligible for that “Office.” If Obama is ineligible, then no one can claim any “right” to vote for him. Indeed, in that case every American who does vote has a constitutional duty to vote against him.”

  44. Kim // August 17, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Hi Kim,

    The problem, I think, is that elected officials (depending on the capacity in which they serve) swear to ‘preserve, protect, support and defend the Constitution of the United States’, or a combination of those words for their particular position.

    The issue is that they usually have no idea exactly what’s *in* the Constitution they pledge to defend.

    Perhaps before anyone is sworn into any office reuiring an oath, they be required to actually READ the Constitution?

  45. Let me rephrase that, THE PEOPLE need to stop this BS, and then put considerably LESS people in office who will do only what an American government is supposed to do: keep the free people of this country safe.

  46. SueK, I think they know what’s in the Constitution and choose NOT to follow it. It limits their power and the money they can make.

  47. Sorry, the ‘Q” works sporadically on this keyboard. ‘Requiring’ is the word.

  48. Kim // August 17, 2009 at 12:51 am

    Some do, Kim, but if you’re been watching them lately then seem to be so unaware. Either that, or it’s politics as usual…

    Of course, it’s all about the almighty buck.

  49. jbjd

    In Edwin Vieira’s same article i took the following excerpt which perhaps you can add some insightful information.

    “Seventh, if Obama does become an usurper posturing as “the President,” Congress cannot even impeach him because, not being the actual President, he cannot be “removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (see Article II, Section 4). In that case, some other public officials would have to arrest him—with physical force, if he would not go along quietly—in order to prevent him from continuing his imposture. Obviously, this could possibly lead to armed conflicts within the General Government itself, or among the States and the people.”

  50. CW


  51. So if they tried to impeach him, his defense would have to be, “you can’t impeach me because I am usurping the presidency.”

  52. Oldsalt, I understand your rage. I was at a tea party Saturday, and some of those “snot nosed little creeps” were flipping us off as they drove by. I just can’t understand how they could be so ignorant.
    Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do…

  53. Jacqlyn Smith


    Kim // August 17, 2009 at 12:11 am

    That just bears out the point that the Republican party is willing to keep on acting outside of the Constitution just like the Democrats are doing now. This whole government needs a dressing down and we need to get people in there that can stop this BS.

    Kim…Jindel has already said he is not looking at the Prez job….the only front runner I have seen is Mitt Romney….I believe he is the only one who seems to so far be throwing his name into the ring!!

  54. What happened to Mitt Romney in the last election?

  55. “Fred Thompson is a CFR member. Rudy Giuliani is a CFR member. Mitt Romney is a CFR member. Hillary Clinton is a CFR member. Barak Obama is a CFR member. The Council on Foreign Relations seems to dominate our government, Democrat or Republican! All of the “top tier” candidates are CFR puppets, with only one exception, RON PAUL. The CFR has been promoting one world government since the orgaization was founded in 1921.”

  56. Jacqlyn Smith


    Kim // August 17, 2009 at 1:47 am

    “Fred Thompson is a CFR member. Rudy Giuliani is a CFR member. Mitt Romney is a CFR member. Hillary Clinton is a CFR member. Barak Obama is a CFR member. The Council on Foreign Relations seems to dominate our government, Democrat or Republican! All of the “top tier” candidates are CFR puppets, with only one exception, RON PAUL. The CFR has been promoting one world government since the orgaization was founded in 1921.”

    This is why I say Keyes, Palin or Bauchman…..real people with real values and integrity!!

  57. Sounds good!

  58. Fernley Girl


    Even buying silver bouillon by the ounce at a local coin dealer (pay with cash) can be useful to protect small amounts of money. Call around to find out how much they will charge over spot. You can check spot prices for metals at

    Dick Morris says OBAMA WILL STOP AT
    Do not be fooled by their NEW LIES!


    Looks like it’s going to be a rough day!

  62. Ovomit is backing away from claims he will drop public option……


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  64. citizenwells

    Not my post.

  65. cq // August 16, 2009 at 8:07 pm –

    After reading the Heneghan blog

    All I can say , as I did the other day, they have

    politicized the CIA

    My previous post-

    ms. helga // August 9, 2009 at 10:45 am
    Yesterday I said this –
    ms. helga // August 8, 2009 at 11:26 am
    CW – These comments are some of the finest I have ever read. God Bless all those who write here
    I have just had my 2nd Epiphany. The first one was that “ABSOLUTELY” was code word for “We love Obama” Now here is the 2nd one:
    Modern American Politics is NOT-
    to be continued . .
    ms. helga // August 8, 2009 at 11:28 am
    OK – I have just had my 3rd Epiphany in 24 hours. After reading about the “enemies list” it came like a Bolt out of the Sky.

  66. Great reviews of Larry’s book ,being sold worldwide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can order off site from booksellers

  67. Patriot Dreamer

    Somebody asked about the Secret Service pointing guns at tea party protesters:


    Everyone, start mocking the “king” at these functions. Chant the above words, doing a bow or curtsy as he goes by.

    That’ll get people’s attention.


  69. C.W.
    Can you bring forth the info about BHO using
    interesting info on

  70. Keep up the fight. I am ready to wake up from this nightmare.

  71. Patriot Dreamer

    First death that I know of from the Swine Flu vaccine. The following is from a friend of mine at another forum:

    Within the past hour I received an email from a “real-life” friend ….I’ll excerpt it… taking out names …

    [begin quote:]
    ………..My xxxxxxx,married to doctor(10 yrs) in Oklahoma , in Guthrie…took flu shot…entered hospital on Tuesday….disconnected from vent on thursday night…Guillian barre symptoms after the vaccine..he coached wrestling and football…he will have a service there in OK and in KS as he has been group leader down at boyscout camp in KS ….hundreds will be attending in both states……they state he died due to unknown causes.

    When you have more time I can relay way it progressed in 3 days leaving a 31 yr old man dead with a widow.
    [end quote]

    The official cause of death is “unknown causes”.

  72. Start telling all about Larry’s book.THIS WILL WAKE THEM UP.
    Know Ssomeone who gave their book to a SENATOR!!

    order from links on site

  73. http://www.defendglenn .com

    get info on also

    Get ads back for Glenn

  74. You almost have to believe Tom Fife now…

  75. Patriot Dreamer
  76. Has anyone noticed this yet?

    No Birth Announcement for Twins

  77. Glenn Beck pointed out last Friday that the word “gates” has been buried. Remember all the “Gates”? WaterGate, Monicagate, etc… He said now they want to make it personal and add the “er” on the end … “Birthers” now “Deathers”, etc… Glenn said the word “Gate” would describe more of a crowd – like it takes a Gate to keep them in. The “er” on the end of the words, now make it more personal. He used “Rules for radicals” as their example of making things personal.
    So how about this … for those who want to call us names, especially calling us racists … how about we name them … “ObamaGates” as in Prof. Gates. or “ObamaGates -ers” … the real racists!

  78. Patriot Dreamer…..

    I’m sorry for your loss.

    I was not aware the swine flu shot was available yet. The clinical trial phase is being conducted right now.

    Do you know if this was indeed the swine flu shot or the regular flu shot or ???

  79. Patriot Dreamer


    Yes, previously the media would be referring to the birth certificate issue as “certifigate”. But, applying Alinsky’s rules to personalize it and make us appear “crazy”, that is why we are now referred to as “birthers”.

  80. PD,

    And they are now the “ObamaGates” !

    So, whenever we are called “birthers” we can just say … “yea, that’s those crazy ‘ObamaGates’ “

  81. Patriot Dreamer

    JustMe // August 17, 2009 at 10:42 am

    The loss is not mine, I copied that from a friend’s post at another forum. I cannot verify, as it is a “friend of a friend” type of thing, but it appears to be one of the first deaths due to the clinical trials of the Swine Flu vaccine.

  82. Where’s the Birth Certificate Billboard

    Hits the Vegas Strip

  83. We need a “USURPATHON”

  84. Patriot Dreamer

    “War erupts over Glenn Beck TV show: Fans fight back
    Launch campaign against boycott group founded by Obama’s ‘environmental czar'”

    Explains the “covering their tracks” comments made by Beck.

  85. Val, what’s important is that you are not standing there shocked at their tactics, though you still remain in the “too kind” category…you are fighting for your very life here, and they will stop at nothing to take control over your life, and “er” terms are just level 1 of their arsenal.
    Do not be soft when retaliating in kind, they call you birther, deather, you hit them with every foul cussword derogatory shout-down you can imagine and just know this…they can dish it out but they cannot take it. Their IQ (think of a imported schoolbus load of ACORN fatties in t-shirts they gave them and with signs someone else printed up for them or an unemployed marginal-IQed SEIU thug) is a good 50 points below yours, so just outsmart them at every turn. They thought what we’d do is be polite and roll over. We’ll be polite on the topside, then we play “chess”.

  86. We play chess, they’re playing Candyland.

  87. Fernley Girl // August 17, 2009 at 2:22 am

    Thanks, Fernley Girl-I’ll check that out, too. Need to protect my few dollars….

  88. Patriot Dreamer

    “Dirty secret No. 2 in Obamacare”

  89. Two things to bear in mind here. First the Laboour government in Britain made waiting lists disappear by a trick. Now once you get on the list you are seen quickly but there can be a long wait to get on the waiting list. it was Margaret Thatcher’s hamfisted, incompetent atempts to introduce market forces to the system that created the bureaucratic shambles doctors and nurses must work around today.

    Second, human nature. People for whom care is free because they don’t pay taxes are the very people whose attitude is to grab all they can of anything they don’t have to pay for. Thus through doctor and hospital visits that are unnecessary and often frivolous they put unbearable pressure on the available services.

    Public healthcare in Europe is not the trainwreck the Republicans claim it is, the care in Britain is as good or poor depending on your perspective as the system in the USA. They’re just bad in different ways. Here for example, because of bureaucracy and budget constraints it may take a while to get the system moving. Once the system is moving on your case however, nobody with a seriously ill person in the family is going to be driven into bankruptcy because their insurance cover hit the buffers before their illness was fully cured.

    I have no reason to imagine Obama’s hastily drafted, badly thought through plan for reform of the American system will work but by repeatedly claiming the British and European systems are totally dysfunctional when they clearly aren’t, the American right are just defeating their own case.

  90. Explosive Back Breaking News

    U.S. Bank Holiday Due Soon
    Hillary Throws Bush Under the Bus

    by Tom Heneghan
    International Intelligence Expert

    Saturday August 15, 2009

  91. usapatriots-shout,

    Everyone has a theory about whether BO can be Impeached, given that he is Constitutionally ineligible to hold his current office. (Vieira wrote his theory BEFORE the EC voted for him and BEFORE Congress ratified the EC vote. I am not saying these events would result in a different opinion but, they might.) But as I write in response to a comment on my blog, this is not the first time we faced a situation where the President could have set off a Constitutional crisis had he chosen not to follow the rule of law. Remember Watergate? President Nixon did not want to turn over the tapes; the SCOTUS supported a lower court ruling saying he had to; and everyone waited. What if the POTUS – the Executive branch – ignored the SCOTUS – the Judicial branch? Of course, as we all know, in the end, RN gave up the tapes and resigned from office.


    “Things are not always what they seem”.

    Hello All,

    By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last
    Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not
    covered. I feel that since Joe and I live here and we were at the airport
    on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do
    with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with
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    On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President
    would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his
    healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding
    on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY
    details other than the date.

    On about Tuesday Joe found out that they would be holding the “Town Hall”
    at the airport. (This is only because Joe knows EVERYONE at the airport)
    Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very
    remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that
    is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote
    location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from
    the public.

    FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a
    large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums).
    All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED
    IN!! $$$$$

    During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly.
    Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it
    was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was,
    especially during a recession. $$$$$

    Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be
    handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be
    arriving around 12:30 Friday.

    Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were
    printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm……900
    tickets just DISAPPEARED.

    This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch
    and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama.
    Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been
    really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the
    Recession?? Just think…with all of the traveling the White House is
    doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

    On Friday Joe and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that
    wanted to protest Obama’s spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to
    protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus
    carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up
    onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion
    and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a
    fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said
    they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.
    The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age
    of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY
    made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned
    Parenthood folks were with them…..professing abortion rights with their
    T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to
    protest in ANOTHER area)

    Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid
    confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept
    coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and
    aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

    So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs
    and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you
    name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He
    found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to

    If you are wondering about the press…..Well, all of the major networks
    were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently
    parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds
    were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about
    the crowds.

    We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho.
    Speaking of the local media…they were invited. However, all questions
    were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn’t
    want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

    It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the
    White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make
    it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare.
    Even those people that talked about their insurance woes……..the White
    House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee)
    and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come.
    Smoke and mirrors…EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House.
    The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not
    living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was
    physically nauseous. Joe and I have been around when Presidents or Heads
    of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened
    for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care
    about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress
    hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so
    much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on
    in Washington DC. Scary!!

    Bozeman, Montana

  93. KIM……………………………………………

    It really isn’t difficult to see through the behavior of the cross section of our youth who I referr to as “snot nosed LITTLE creeps”. I hastily add that fortunately this cross section is NOT the ENTIRETY of our youth. I very much enjoyed the view points of the 23 year old COLLEGE youth who was the last person to offer his healthcare viewpoints at Obama’s Town Hall. Obama received an earfull from the young man who chose to tell it like it IS; “MEDICARE IS BANKRUPT, SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THE ALLEGED HEALTHCARE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE TO ALL OF US?” The young man is DEAD ON! At least there is ONE of our young people who knows the score. By the way Huckabee had him on his show. Sadly the others that I was discussing, are so hell bent on doing their drugs, their deviate sex, and general MORON behavior that they can no longer discern “RIGHT” from “LEFT”, or “UP” from “DOWN”. These are the people who largely support Soetoro. Need I say any more?

  94. Carlyle // August 17, 2009 at 11:56 am –

    Thank you for that thorough , detailed description of of the Montana Fiasco. Post it again later. More people should read it.

  95. EVERYONE……………………………………………

    We all need to unite in a common effort to boycott ALL of the products of the PROCTER & GAMBLE, and SMITH CLINE- JOHNSON. While they are “BIG BUCK” companies,and they have a LOT more to lose as such. If enough people across the country are truly as incensed as I am we ought to be able to severely dent the figures on the bottom line of their balance sheet,at least for a couple of quarters.
    The person behind all of this IS an A__HOLE by the name of JONES who thinks he is the right hand man to the alleged MESSIAH. In reality he is like the mesiah……AN ODOROUS SACK OF MANURE.(typical OBOT).

  96. In a New York Times opinion piece on Sunday, Obama said “for all the scare tactics out there, what’s truly scary — truly risky — is the prospect of doing nothing.”

    Odisgrace criticizes “scare tactics” while using scare tactics. “. . .What is truly scary. . . is the prospect of doing nothing” . Doing nothing is the most important “something” America should do until Obama is no longer in the WH. Under no circumstances, in no way, shape or form should the government have any control—no matter how innocuous it may seem—in the health care of America. It is a violation of the US Constitution.

    What is truly scary is the prospect of government claws meddling in our health care.

  97. oldsalt77 // August 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm –


  98. I am a Democrat (in suffrage) who did not vote for Obama. I was thinking what could possibly get me to vote for another Democrat again. Here is what I came up with so-far.
    Obama releases all documents to prove eligibility. All documents (no forgeries) today.
    A complete accounting immediately of all tax payer funded bailouts.
    Restore the balance of power nationally and internationally.
    Anyone found to have committed any criminal activities, arrested and trial-immediately.
    Respect for our fellow citizens and taxpayers whether they are right/left wing, or different party.
    Voting-immediately restore voting machinery that cannot be fudged or changed by anyone.
    Fellow Democrats and patriots, please feel free to add anything else that you deem appropriate.
    I do not know any fellow Democrat that is not sickened by what the power mad wing has done to the party. I do not want to be associated with their criminal activities, nor do I want to enable them in any way shape or form. In my opinion they are just a bunch of power mad crooks.
    It will be a long while before I might be able to think about voting for a Democrat. I have a question: How long did it take for honest Republicans to get over the other president with major Constitutional issues-Nixon?

  99. Soetoro is a very skilled LIAR. He will often intermix truth along with fantasy. You have to listen very closely when he is talking, and read very closely anything that he has written. He very skillfully blends truths, half truths, and outright lies into a concoction, which nearly requires a PH.d in English to read, and sort out the BULLSH## from the rest. Robert Gibbs runs him a very close second.
    This is one of the reasons why it is absolutely imperative that we keep his BULLSH## coming back in his face. Evertyime he opens his mouth we need to make public issue out of ALL of his DRIVEL. Do not let up on him. There is plenty of evidence which is showing that we are all having an effect on him. In addition I personally remain confident that SOONER OR LATER he is going to screw up ROYALLY, and that is when we need to make it world knowledge. Everytime he publishes something we need to publish the truth to the issue. Hopefully one day soon we will all share watching him go down the toilet.

  100. Patriot Dreamer

    How the federal government already rations health care:
    “Facts Are Not Distortion”

  101. Maybe I’ve been reading a bit too much from the OS77 ‘playbook’…but this guy Gibbs…eesshh; I’m gonna refrain from using a name-calling tactic…but I’m gonna admit that I can hardly wait for the day when someone f’eeds him his lunch’…to go along with that disgusting smug-ness…(am I being too kind, Sir Salt?)

  102. typo.. ‘feeds him his lunch’ (or is that technically an ‘apostrophe-o’?!)

  103. Patriot Dreamer

    Re-do, if you want to call Gibbs names, I like “Beltway Bob”, although I have to admit that Baghdad Bob was much more entertaining!



    To CW and all my fellow posters,

    It is beginning to feel as if all our postings are going to naught. I think what we need to do is have our own little event that might cause us some notoriety and God knows we need it. I sometimes feel as if we have been screaming into the wind and no one listens. This could be the plan. CW announces that this site will be having a 12Hour, 24 Hour, or One Week etc USURPATHON. The purpose would not be to raise Money BUT to raise Awareness to the fact that our dear leader is not legal due to the simple Natural Born Citizen clause of the Constitution. Each poster could say how this illegal act has caused effects and affects on us in our own lives. In my case what bothers me is that my father was a US Naval Reserve Officer during the 2nd WW and the Korean war. If he had been a politician he could not have run for President, even though he was born in Boston, but because his father was born in Canada. The biggest effect or affect or both is that when proven will make everything signed to have been for naught. The longer this drags on the more trouble will be brought onto this country. The most dangerous aspect is that a foreign nation could hold him hostage with proof that the CIC is inelegible.
    Any way an idea..

  105. Good morning CW and friends;

    I figured out why Ann Coulter is cold as ice on the Natural Born of the Constitution, and the Birth Certificate.

    Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico.

    That’s why. So both of our so called Representative parties have overlooked this little item in the Constitution.

    Oh! btw. Bobby Jindall isn’t qualified either.

  106. PS – PUTIN formerly with the KGB probably has more information on our dear leader than our own CIA.

  107. Patriot Dreamer // August 17, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Hi PD,

    I do call him Baghdad Bob because if you remember the original (and they don’t make ’em like that anymore!) he was swearing up and down that there were no ‘infidels’ in the city, even though you could plainly see the coalition forces there. That guy was my entertainment for the day.

    Now this one is just as adept at throwing the crappola, but he seems to try to demean the reporters when they ask a question. He’s just as delusional and just as much a liar, but with a notably arrogant twist.

    Hope he’ll be unemployed soon, along with the rest of them.

  108. which leads me now to believe that the Birth Certificate focus could just as well have Republican operative behind it. That’s what happened with Chester Arthur.

    It is imperative that the “birthers” understand the issue is constitutional and begin to insist that those calling for the Birth Certificate change their focus fully to the Constitution.

  109. song // August 17, 2009 at 1:34 pm –


  110. If the Republicans and Democrats don’t like the Natural Born Issue, then it needs to be changed and ratified by 3/4ths of the States, otherwise they are acting as the Amending body to the Constitution, which is Unconstitutional.

    So? Usurpers all?

  111. Yes, it is interesting. One just needs to dig a little to find out why the Republican establishment is not supporting the issue.

    Well now we know. And they are eroding the Constitution by doing so.

    Both parties are acting in consort with the courts which refuse to rule on the issue, as the AMENDING BODY, to the Constitution rather than bringing it to the STATES and the PEOPLE, as was intended by the FRAMERS.

  112. Song, Jindall has said he not interested in a run for the WH.

    George Romney may have been in Mexico but it matters only what his status was when Mitt was born.

  113. So both sides have ostracized the “birthers” because both have a vested interest in ignoring the Constitution.

    Oh and btw, in regards to the deployment of troops and the use of force? Since the end of WW2 no war that has been fought is constitutional.

    Lots of people won’t like it….but its true.

  114. Anyway have a nice day.

    Food for thought my friends.

  115. Our toally corrupt Elitist Federal Government never thought the “Birthers”would ever start to sprout. I would hope that we can call ourselves both Constitutionalists and or Birthers and be PROUD .

  116. “toally” should be “totally” or “toadally”

  117. Barry’s myspace has his age as 52- never a dull day in Obamaland.

  118. song // August 17, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Hi song,

    George Romney was born to American parents living in Mexico in the Mormon colonies there-he retained his U.S. citizenship and was never a Mexican citizen. The family moved back to the U.S. when George was a child. So, Mitt was born to two American citizens on U.S. soil and is thus Natural Born.

    Jindal, on the other hand, was born to Indian citizens who were in the U.S. on student visas. Yes, he was born in America, but neither of his parents were citizens at the time so he is naturalized, but not an NBC. He, like Obama, doesn’t qualify whereas Mitt does.

  119. Not so friends. Romney’s father left the United States to practice polygamy, or he was born under those circumstances. Whatever. The Edmunds Act took care of that:

    Go ahead and read here


  121. Obamacare will allow for abortions in public school clinics- don’t read on a full stomach!

  122. Well, to me this selling of America has gone on a long time.

    And we really need, as Beck says to “take our country back”…

    The parties today, are all for the Corporate, One World Thingy…both sides signed NAFTA..
    and we heard what Perot called that
    “great sucking sound” as jobs left this country.

    Our nation needs to decide if our Sovereignity is more important than our place in the One World

    sorry for the misspelling and the typos..

    I think we ought to be able to maintain our borders AND be a member of the global community, but SOROS, changed Europe and he probably is just the small arm for those who hold that philosophy.

    Putting all the peanuts in the jar, whirring them up, slapping on the label,

    voila….One World Government.

    Sorry folks…no can do.


    The Russians and the Chinese aren’t for it either..which is why they are forming relationships with each other as well as some other nations which don’t want to lose their National rights…

    funny. Our “enemies” agree with us?

    odd world, my friends.

    just odd.

  123. I am beginning to think we might have the federal government over a barrell. I always loved the quotation of Winston Churchill. When Hitler said he was going to wring England’s neck like a chicken, Churchill responded with “Some chicken, some neck”.

  124. song // August 17, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Sorry, song, I disagree.

    George Romney’s grandparents were the polygamous Mormons, not he or his parents.

    George was born in the Mormon colonies in Mexico to an American father and mother. There was no polygamy going on with George’s parents, Gaskell and Anna Romney.

    George Romney had one wife, Mitt’s mother, Lenore.

    So, no, Mitt’s father did not leave the U.S to practice polygamy.

    Mitt, my former Governor, is an NBC.

  125. I still favor a DeMint/Palin duo running on the Contitutionalist Party platform: for strengthening, reinstating, whatever-needs-be for a strong Constitutional Republic. Sorry for the re-do…but I think (dare I even write ‘insist’? ) that those two stand the best chance for the advancement of a ‘3rd’ party winning run for the WH.

    While there are others with sound and solid resume’s as ones who also adhere to the Constitution, I firmly believe there are too many other hurdles for them, that would only weaken the chances of a win. Getting the duo onboard and paddling ‘full steam ahead’ SOON is an urgent thing, IMHO.
    Re the whole ‘silver’ (purifier) item being discussed…I think there needs to be some further purifying…some tough ‘filtering out’ of some of the sneaky weeds that post here…who play the HRC victim/’silent-hero’ card…and lure some to ‘follow their links’ about BHO et al…only to their own peril; beware the poison, folks. They’re only feigning (pretending) to be assisting your agenda…giving you the old ‘rah-rah!’ in the fight to expose the usurper; but instead expose themselves with this ‘victim’ line of garbage. Again: take heed, and be careful what links you click onto, posted by these masked imposters.
    Though he (the boss here) may need to remain guarded about echoing these sentiments, I have no such concern other than as a ‘watchman’ of sorts…
    it seems clear to me that the ‘Head of the Thread’, CAPT CW himself, is clearly in favor of protecting, and restoring respect for, our great Constitution and the republic for which it stands.

    It is also quite clear, or should be, that the HRC sympathizers cannot claim to be on that platform…it would be a total conflict of interests.
    Can I get an ‘amen!’?…somebody?
    Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?!

  126. Patriot Dreamer

    Heed Glenn Beck’s warning about the supposed retreat on ObamaCare:

    “DO NOT Cheer. The healthcare cave is a farce. Read clintons words: “a great progressive era for 40 years to come”. It is all about structure”

  127. Patriot Dreamer

    Check out this sign near Durham, N.C.:

    So now we know “change” = MORE debt
    MORE taxes
    MORE welfare
    MORE regulation
    MORE government
    MORE wasteful spending
    MORE corruption

    Thanks, Mr. President

  128. PD @ 2:26: can I take that as a sideways ‘amen!’?
    NEW POST UP, FOLKS…”O” comments yet (pun intended)…see ya on the flip side…

  129. Redo?


    Regardless of how one feel’s about the Clintons?

    18 million voters were ignored

    That was the issue.

    smiles back atcha!

  130. song @ 2:34: and that’s not a good thing, obviously…but that hardly puts a dent in all the ones that were stolen…thanks ACORN et al…
    okay: nuff here…now get going ‘over there’…

  131. Hey Redo?

    I have seen my family member deployed to Unconstitutional wars for over 40 years, and no one hollered then, because it was Republicans mostly who whipped up the war Fervor…to support the American Empire, not the Republic.

    I was born and raised an Arizona Conservative..
    and if you mean by telling me to go “over there” that I don’t belong here?

    let me tell you that my family fought for this country since the American Revolution, and I don’t take kindly to being treated like an Obot or an lefty. The truth is the truth. You can’t have it both ways, or stand by it only when Convenient.

    If that is what you mean.

  132. song @ 3:06: “woah yer ponies there!”…I was simply trying to direct comment-traffic to the new ‘thread’!!…eeessshhh!!! simmer down!!
    Take an ‘Old Salt-pill!” (LOL!!…just kidding..)

  133. redo@ 3:15

    Is that what you meant? I just am tired of being pushed around I guess, because I don’t comment much…and I know that on these blogs people are always wondering who a person is.

    well I apologize.

    But at least now you know where i stand…

  134. song @ 3:26: no worries…good example why face-to-face conversation is so much better than written dialog…even the best of intentions can get easily misunderstood, without vocal inflection and facial expression to bring context to the communication…
    to be clear: anytime CW posts a new thread, it has been requested by others before me to remind all to ‘go over there’ to the most current blog…
    I had posted @ 2:34 the ‘news’….
    No harm intended; my apologies, too for a comment obviously poorly worded.
    btw: have read any good ‘Old Salt77’ lately?
    He’ll ‘git yer ponies up’, if you know what I mean.
    OKAY…NOW…I’m leaving for the new ‘thread’, and hopefully won’t have to re-tread the re-do and the old-tread…so, like the Master saith:
    “Don’t tread on me!”

  135. first comment of the day…
    starting off with a headache after reading about
    Mitt Romney (one of my favorite RNC candidates). Please say he is eligible…….

  136. Mitt Romney is CFR. Automatic disqualification IMO.

  137. Jacqlyn Smith

    Mitt romney can never win the repub…It must be Keyes…if we can get him to be a REpub and Bauchman or Palin…they are for the people…unlike the other repubs…!!!

  138. ms. helga // August 17, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    PS – PUTIN formerly with the KGB probably has more information on our dear leader than our own CIA.


    No doubts there, Ms. Helga; however, we all have to wonder if the information collected by Mr. Putin was purposely feed to him, but “Renegade”, Mr. Obama’s codename, has something else planned/in store than what he and his handlers projected/project to Mr. Putin, etc. Your post is interesting, because a tense chess-match seems to be underway, and even all the King’s men/women may not know why they are being positioned in one place or another–that’s the pros and cons of compartmentalization, especially for the entity with the power to manipulate the pieces on the board (representative of the world).

    Personally, I say we should focus on restoring our Republic to what the Founding Fathers envisioned and refrain from hocus-pocus world politics, whether their desired outcome is socialism…or far worse.

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