Obama health care, First Do No Harm, Youtube video, US higher survival rates, US shorter wait, Reform not replace, No to government healthcare

This is a great Youtube video.

“Our healthcare system needs reform. But compare the results of our system to government run health care in other countries. Are you still dying to get in line? When considering what to change, we should keep in mind an ancient medical axiom – First, Do No Harm.”

Thanks to commenter twe.

44 responses to “Obama health care, First Do No Harm, Youtube video, US higher survival rates, US shorter wait, Reform not replace, No to government healthcare

  1. Jacqlyn Smith

    The reform we need is TORT….and for Doctors, Pharmacies and Insurances to take a cut in pay just like the rest of America has had to….then we will have real reform…Government does not need to take it over…..just enforce the Constitution that is it!!!

  2. Patriot Dreamer

    Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (Rahm’s brother) on the Hippocratic Oath:

    “Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, ‘as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others’ (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).”

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

  3. Patriot Dreamer

    OT: But the Grinch will be here to steal Christmas:

    http://johngaltfla.com/blog2/2009/08/13/the-grinch-is-about-to-steal-christmas/

  4. Patriot D—
    Sounds like EE wants to “play God.”

  5. Patriot Dreamer

    Germany’s Aktion T-4 program also had “independent panels” to identify “life unworthy of life” (Lebensunwerte Leben):

    http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=16395

  6. I was hoping this was going to be the big question.

  7. Patriot Dreamer
  8. “Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously”
    unfortunately the Federal, Legislative and Judicial branches don’t take their oaths seriously at all-“protect, defend the Constitution- or we wouldn’t be sitting here attempting to address this illegal potus, and his illegal plans.

  9. Maddie,

    Yes an important question. The problem is that the President has lost credibility and therefore trust. From this point on, it really doesn’t matter what he says. When you are dealing with this group, all that matters is what they do, and unfortunately once it’s done it’s too late to reverse. So, so much for “healthy debate”. It’s more misdirection.

  10. The truth is you cannot negotiate with a set of rules that are a moving target, designed not to find an equitable solution, but to further one’s agenda. An agenda that is sinister and self-serving.

    Obama can talk all he wants. It doesn’t change the design of the plan ultimately.

  11. Tthe Hippocratic Oath is not just a set of rules, that can be adapted to changing circumstances.

    It is rooted in a deep abiding commitment by the healer to alleviate suffering, in whatever form it presents itself. It is not a legal prerogative, it is a moral one.

    When you have a class of rulers that have little morality, (this is what Keyes emphasized), then the rules can be written or rewritten to justify the ends.

    And that’s how we end up with inane comments like “doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously”. It’s equivalent to “doctors take human suffering too seriously”. O.k. if that’s how you want it. Is that a society you want to belong to?

  12. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel feels the heat at this meeting and has to leave the room.

  13. ms. helga // August 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Couldn’t finish this vid, Ms. Helga. No wonder his eyes are brown (no offense to brown-eyed people), but it’s so deep it’s right up to his eyeballs.

    He talks and talks, and says nothing. Drifts off the topic and starts stuttering. I don’t think he’ll ever be dubbed ‘The Great Communicator’-we already had one. Barky’s not even close.

    What a pathetic excuse for a human being…

  14. OT: I want to post on this current thread, to feel like I am ‘with you’…but have a questions from some of the comments from the previous, those who posed the idea of a two-lady ticket for 2012:

    I already expressed this individual’s thinking that a candidate should be declaring soon…or better yet, TODAY, NOW…that they are running on the Constitutionalist Party platform…and that , I believe, many are ready to sign up and would welcome REAL CHANGE.

    I also realize many are of the opinion that a third party candidacy is a no-win situation right from the start. Would the notion of making an honest presentation for a Constitutionalist Party be strenghtened, or possibly weakend, by the “presumed” additional hurdle of placing a woman (or women) in the nation’s highest office?

    I am not against that idea, but my concern…or I should say my first ‘allegiance’ would be to the ideals of the party…and, therefore, would support the BEST chance for it to succeed…which may NOT be with the additional ‘burden’, for lack of a better term, of trying to ‘break the glass ceiling’ in the same push?!

    I think a man/woman ticket might be strong enough…but the double-woman ticket might be a tougher sell, for the sake of the whole party getting a solid foot-hold.
    ————————————————————
    Perhaps something like a DeMint/Palin ticket, with the idea that Bachmann (or reverse those women’s place), or others who’ve demonstrated leadership skills and a dedication to protecting the rights of INDIVDUALS might then be in line for significant cabinet posts, etc. in supporting roles.

    I think a ticket like that would gather strong support QUICKLY…and would, or could, nearly ‘gut’ the conservatives from the two parties that have drifted dangerously left of center, to say the least.

    I would like to see someone come up with a “top ten”-type list of what the party platform would be in relationship to clarifying the decisive move (back) towards a Constitutional Republic…explaining and using those terms often and LOUD. Many may have forgotten what they mean, and how they are responsible for the 200+ years of America being the country others risk life & limb to come to…
    as stow-aways for months packed into a window-less, ventilation-less cargo container…crossing dangerous open ocean in make-shift ‘boats’, etc.
    ———————————————————-
    Who will step forward and take the helm? There are many waiting to ‘board ship’.

  15. Need to Pray mightly that the deceit is being found out with ALL the evil people.May God have mercy on America.May all Military not have died inVAIN.
    Only ALL the TRUTH WILL SET AMERICA FREE,WHO WILL STAND UP??
    SAEES LIKE DAILY DRAMA.Speaks like we are his children and he knows best!
    Be nice to be Free again and know we have people that LOVE AMERICA AND THE CONSTITUTION SERVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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  17. Patterns

    The town hall meetings about HB3200 are not really town hall meetings at all—at least by my definition of a town hall meeting of which I attended many in my life time. The idea of a town hall meeting is to bring a subject for consideration to the people to ask the citizens thoughts and suggestions on the subject before actually making going forward on the proposed idea.

    For an example should we put up a monument in the traffic circle at——. Quite often the leaders have schematics, photos, and maybe even petitions from people asking that “so & so” be honored with a monument. They often pass out written information at the meeting or even better—mail it a couple weeks in advance to give people the opportunity to study it and reflect over it.

    After the leaders have presented their material the attendees have an opportunity to express their pro and con views. Yes, some people are more passionate than others. Some don’t stick to the subject. Others just sit and say nothing. That is the nature of town hall meetings. After all is said and done, the leaders will HEAR the people and either abort the project, agree to make any necessary changes or proceed as designed—depending upon the people’s response. That is a successful typical community town hall meeting.

    HB3200 town hall meetings have any entirely different tone. These town hall meetings are not held for the purpose of hearing the people. They are held to let the people know they are going to get a Government Health Care Plan (GHCP)—whether or not they want it. God (Oevil) has decided. He ordered his followers (Congress): Hold town hall meetings and order the people to accept, embrace, and love this plan. Ignore any opposition. If the non supporters get too enthusiastic, label them as un American, astral turfers, extremists and have them thrown out. What is weirder than anything else is that neither Oevil not the Congress people have to this date defined, detailed and told America what is in the bill. What is worse, I discovered after listening to several Congress people talking at the town hall meetings is they haven’t even read the bill. They are pretending to be looking out for public interest by touting this is good for America. What is wrong with this picture!

    Let’s face it. Gold is worth about $965.00 per ounce today. What if some guy in the middle of no where decided to sell gold for $50.00 an ounce. How fast and how big do you think the lines of people would be —and probably camping out, to get that gold? If HB3200 were truly wonderful, America would be grabbing it faster than government could pass it. If that were so, would the thugocracy have to resort to all of the following?

    • Assume the false position that AMERICA’S HEALTH PLAN IS BAD AND WRONG, there fore needs fixing or reform (creating false crisis)
    • (creating false urgency) Must make the decision by the president’s dead line
    • Oevil using his vacation time to FORCE this bill upon an unwilling America
    • Used a child to ask Oevil questions who turned out to be a “plant”
    • TV ads promoting HB3200 (since when does the government have to buys ads to promote their “products” at our expense?)
    • Used the internet to ask people to “snitch on their neighbors” if any one said something “fishy” (flag.gov)
    • Then Orotten denies it was done for the purposes of snitching but rather to be able to answer objections which he has continually failed to do
    • E-mailed letters to millions from Axelrod ? ? ? ? ? ?
    • Claiming AARP and others support the plan—when in reality AARP denied their support. . . .
    • Denials by Congress when confronted by actual facts in the bill, that attendees read but the town hall leaders did not
    • Paid “ Supporter of GHCP Plants” at all of OEvil’s TH meetings
    • The Democrats are holding town hall meetings and “stacking the cards”.
    • Bused in paid supporters from Acorn and SEIU
    • Acorn & SEIU they get the front seats and are permitted to bring in signs in support of HB3200
    • Any obvious non supporters are forbidden to bring their signs, are shut out when the space becomes full
    • Acorn & SEIU told if adversaries hit hard, “you hit back twice as hard”
    • These bused paid GHCP supporters are encouraged to shout down, threaten, intimidate and have even been violent against honest Americans who is merely exercising constitutional rights
    • They are planting Fake Doctors at town hall meetings
    • After all the noise and chaos they have not revealed one detail about the HB3200
    • The worst of all, HB3200 is in violation of the US Constitution

    This whole push for HB3200 is steeped in denials, lies, trickery, intimidation, attempts to suppress opposing views, and phony staging to make Evil look good at his double talking meetings. It also demonstrates one more time, this dictatorship’s willingness to violate the constitution. In all my years, I have never seen our American government run like a Banana Republic. I don’t believe this is the change Obama voters expected when they chose him! This is a disgrace!

    This is an awfully intensive and expensive effort on the part of O’s dictatorship. Why the intensity? Why the spare no expense to force this program? Why the rush? Obama wants the sanction of the victim!

    America, if it is the last thing you ever do, DO NOT LET THIS GHCP PASS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. KILL THE BILL! KILL THE BILL!

    Oh oh! Wait a minute! Something seems familiar here! Doesn’t this push to get the dictator’s HB3200 passed look exactly like the way Oevil ran the election and cheated the people into naively voting for him, an imposter?

    Remember all the crap they pulled during the election?

    • Violated the laws of the constitution and knowingly ran an unqualified candidate
    • Misrepresented Obama’s place of birth
    • To this date have not produced one legal document to prove he is qualified
    • Claimed America is bad and wrong
    • Use Acorn and voter fraud to steal delegate votes from Hillary
    • Stole the nomination from Hilary
    • Used the Black panthers to threaten and intimidate honest voters
    • Threatened MSM to suppress any discussion about Obama’s citizenship
    • Spent a billion dollars of suspicious money to buy the presidency
    • Contrived an economic banking crisis in September when McCain was leading
    • Practiced voter fraud with Acorn—same people registered as many as a 100 times
    • We still don’t know how many dead people voted

    How many people who sincerely didn’t recognize all the fraudulent actions in Obama’s campaign and voted for him are now sorry they did? The best of us can get fooled at one time or another in our lives. Once—shame on you. Twice—shame on me. If this tyrannical government gets away with this health plan. Let us not get fooled twice! America will have lost its last chance to defeat this monster peacefully. If will only get worse and worse from hence forward.

  18. Why should the employer be expected to provide healthcare for the employee?..anymore, than the employer be expected to provide toothpaste or a car or shoes. We need more insurance companies & more competition in the marketplace to keep premiums & costs down & benefits up. To further drive down costs…tort reform.

  19. time to leave for the day…gotta go to the ‘meeting’ I wrote about earlier (re the law enforcement convention if Long Beach, CA 8/16-8/20)…and hope to get some ‘first hand’ info…whether there’s any connection to other ‘dress rehearsal’-type activites that have been discussed here.

    LORD willing…I’ll ketchup with you ‘fries’ tomorrow.
    Peace…hug and hold your loved ones often; take nothing for granted; be grateful for what you have.

  20. TRUTH NOW // August 16, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Hello Truth Now,

    I pray for America constantly; I know He hears our prayers.

    Let’s not forget that we’ve thrown Him out of our schools, and basically, out of our lives. We’ve covered up His name and images, and have vandalized His mangers at Christmastime. Some cities and towns even say that they will not put up a display at Christmas because ‘it might offend other groups.’

    We’ve thrown Him out hook, line, and sinker. Does He hear our prayers? I believe He hears *every* prayer but the way we’ve behaved you’ve gotta ask yourself if He will help mankind after all we’ve done.

    Is this why we’re in the state we are today? Did we bring this on ourselves?

    Pray He will have mercy. We need Him now.

  21. SueK: hope you’ll go back to previous blog for my reply (re-do) to your comments.
    …later…

  22. Patriot Dreamer

    The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada’s health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.
    “Top doctor says system ‘imploding'”
    http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/681882

  23. Jacqlyn Smith

    e-do // August 16, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    OT: I want to post on this current thread, to feel like I am ‘with you’…but have a questions from some of the comments from the previous, those who posed the idea of a two-lady ticket for 2012:

    I already expressed this individual’s thinking that a candidate should be declaring soon…or better yet, TODAY, NOW…that they are running on the Constitutionalist Party platform…and that , I believe, many are ready to sign up and would welcome REAL CHANGE.

    **************************************************

    I think a Keyes/Bauchman or Palin ticket would be good too!! Keyes has really put himself out there with the lawsuits and saying the FRAUD needs to prove his eligibility…not the other way around….he is very conservative and believes in the republic and the Constitution!!

  24. I don’t think a candidate has surfaced yet for the RNC. Romney I thought had the background and brains for the job. I like Gingrich, don’t know if he has too much baggage as they say.

    On the DNC side Hillary Clinton should run again. She proved her toughness. The nomination as has been stated here and elsewhere was “stolen” from her by the
    DNC, Pelosi and gang. It is my opinion that
    if she decides to run again, she could beat
    his b _ _ _.

    Palin has a good heart, but you need to
    BEAT obama and make sure that can happen.
    You need a strong, strong candidate to beat him.
    Not someone that the left can tear to shreds.

  25. Great wonderful news!

    I have just read three articles that Obama is is going to back down from his GHCP bill. We will hear lots more on this Monday. However, he will be coming up with some alternative plans. We don’t want any health care plans decided under Obama’s watch. No deals with the devil!

  26. citizenwells

    *** New Post ***

    Thanks to Patriot Dreamer.

  27. Patriot Dreamer,

    Health service in Canada has been reaching a critical state for some time. But despite that you will note that they remain “patient centred”, not ideology centred.

    It is common for Canadians to cross the border to obtain an MRI or attend the Mayo clinic, where their largest numbers are significant.

    They also have private clinics that are not widely discussed but have become necessary due to long wait times.

    It is one thing to have to wait several hours in the ER for a sore throat, its another for time dependent treatments, like a child with cancer.

  28. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    usapatriots-shout // August 16, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Great wonderful news!

    I have just read three articles that Obama is is going to back down from his GHCP bill. We will hear lots more on this Monday. However, he will be coming up with some alternative plans. We don’t want any health care plans decided under Obama’s watch. No deals with the devil!
    **********************************************************

    You’ve got that right!

  29. CW–thanks for the nod. Just got back from a wake a short time ago.

  30. (still awaiting ‘the call’…so still reading, sitting here);

    HRC has, IMHO, as much ‘baggage’ or more than anyone in either camp…and has nothing in her ‘resume’ remotely close to resembling support of a “Constitutional Republic” ideal or platform.

    She would be nearly as dangerous if she and her circle of companions were to get the reigns of govenment in their dirty hands.

    Apparently still many doubt the material contained in the ‘Chronicles’…and how she be every bit as of a Narcissist as BO…and also was a ‘hammer’ on health care reform. Such individuals can make for compelling public appeal, but not realistic in representing the best ideals for individuals.
    She’s an “Oligachy-ist” of the purest kind.

    It boggles the mind that any conservative-thinking, ‘less government control of individual lives’-supporters that post here remain in her corner.

    Everything she has done and stands for is against everything in our founding documents.
    How folks can be still wearing rose-colored glasses about HRC with all that’s been exposed, is astounding.

    When will these ones ‘wake up’? Or have the ‘bots serve you too much Kool-Aid?
    ——————————————————–
    I’ve heard Keyes speak on clips, and he’s certainly well-informed, intelligent, and well-spoken…almost too much, to his own harm, IMHO. I think his ‘intel-speak’ actually works against him, as I think his manner is over the heads, and even intimidating, to the working-class, middle American. He sounds like a college professor. And, again just my take on it, sorta like what seems to work against Orly, I think Keyes falls victim to somewhat of the same. I don’t think he’d really get enough support…while he may NOT be ‘fringe’, he can come across that way.

    Huckabee, for my ‘buck-a-bee’, is the clearest and best communicator…but he seems to not have the ‘cowboy macho’ required in a President. I hope his ‘going-soft’ isn’t the result of a cushy job at FOX…that would be sad. Or, maybe it’s just not his demeanor. A Governorship seems to draw the best out of some with an ‘administrative’ apptitude, and one who handles finances well (like a Romney)…but more ‘cowboy’ needs to pony-up for the
    BIG RIDE.

    I think, even with all the attacks against her, Palin manages to maintain a swagger of dignity and strength that maintains for her the respect (and even hopes) of many. I hope she’ll learn from her mistakes (perhaps they were those of her handlers)…nichts the cliches!! No more “Maverick”-this, and “pit bull with lipschtick”-that…all that stuff goes flat after about the 2nd time through.

    BE THE REAL YOU….that’ll do.

    Dems and even makeover-Repubs have just done too much damage to themselves to NOT be targets for a strong new competitor. Heck, tough competition is at the root of what brings out the real champions…and I hope a solid ticket will emerge soon.

  31. Jacqlyn Smith // August 16, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Good news, Jackie, but he’s gotta pull something else to save what little face he has left.

    We wait.

    No matter, if your Senator or Rep. was going to vote for it, send them a nice message a la The Donald:

    YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. off to the new one…

  33. “…He sounds like a college professor….”
    intended as a decription, no disrespect to professors…hope y’all got that. I just mean, while I like all that he says, (and I think I’m usually a good listener) I find it requires a focused attention to stay with him…and so I wonder how many others might find the same?

  34. Jacqlyn Smith

    Re-do // August 16, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    (still awaiting ‘the call’…so still reading, sitting here);

    HRC has, IMHO, as much ‘baggage’ or more than anyone in either camp…and has nothing in her ‘resume’ remotely close to resembling support of a “Constitutional Republic” ideal or platform.

    She would be nearly as dangerous if she and her circle of companions were to get the reigns of govenment in their dirty hands.

    Apparently still many doubt the material contained in the ‘Chronicles’…and how she be every bit as of a Narcissist as BO…and also was a ‘hammer’ on health care reform. Such individuals can make for compelling public appeal, but not realistic in representing the best ideals for individuals.
    She’s an “Oligachy-ist” of the purest kind.

    **************************************************

    RE-Do—-I agree with this part of your post….HRC would be death to the DEMS…that’s why they took her out in the primaries and made sure the FRAUD got in….No way would be be able to hold a candle to Palin or Bauchman if either of those two ladies throw their hats in the ring!! The Clintons have over used their stay and have left lots of dead bodies behind to prove it!!

  35. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Re-do // August 16, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    “…He sounds like a college professor….”
    intended as a decription, no disrespect to professors…hope y’all got that. I just mean, while I like all that he says, (and I think I’m usually a good listener) I find it requires a focused attention to stay with him…and so I wonder how many others might find the same?
    ***************************************************

    Re-do….Dr. Keyes has not flinched in his message to the FRAUD…show your credentials or resign…..I believe Dr. Keyes would carry the black vote and of course if we got a good woman to run with him….I think it would be a slam dunk!!!!

  36. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    SueK // August 16, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 16, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Good news, Jackie, but he’s gotta pull something else to save what little face he has left.

    We wait.

    No matter, if your Senator or Rep. was going to vote for it, send them a nice message a la The Donald:

    YOU’RE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    *****************************************************

    I can’t wait to fire “Dirty Harry” Reid!!!

  37. The candidate who will win my vote and support will be the one who calls Obama out. “Stand up or step down, Obama!” Then he has to present a platform that states he will work on restoring America to a republic under the constitution, and will repeal every one of the program and bills created by Obama that were unconstitutional. Most important of all, he must love everything about America–our history, traditions and values, our constitution, our people, and our capitalism. That is just the beginning.

    Such a candidate must have a clean track record, no background of cavorting with suspicious, nefarious anti American characters. He must be a Christian or Jew and have no Muslim, Trilateral, Bilderberger, or Illuminate ties. I don’t care what color he/she is. Allan Keyes would be a good candidate and he would be an inspiration to all. He is well educated, a constitutionalist, has integrity and loves America.

  38. Jacqlyn Smith // August 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Physicians taking pay cuts…..Have you looked at the statement you receive from your insurance company when they reimburse the physician? They HAVE taken huge cuts in pay.

    You may not be aware there are a lot of things they can’t even charge for such as an after hours phone call, thanks to the government. A lawyer, on the other hand, can and does charge you for every phone call. As it should be.

    Do you realize that plumbers and electricians earn more per hour than most physicians now. Surgeons are another story.

    Speciality physicians spend upwards of 13 yrs in school/training. Do you have any idea what the cost of their education is? Do you realize the personal sacrifices they have to make?

    Physicians serve a very purposeful role in our society, unlike the fat cats on Wall Street, and deserve to be paid their worth.

    Sorry, but you’ve hit a raw nerve with me, as my husband is a physician.

  39. JustMe // August 16, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Physicians taking pay cuts…..Have you looked at the statement you receive from your insurance company when they reimburse the physician? They HAVE taken huge cuts in pay.

    You may not be aware there are a lot of things they can’t even charge for such as an after hours phone call, thanks to the government. A lawyer, on the other hand, can and does charge you for every phone call. As it should be.

    Do you realize that plumbers and electricians earn more per hour than most physicians now. Surgeons are another story.

    Speciality physicians spend upwards of 13 yrs in school/training. Do you have any idea what the cost of their education is? Do you realize the personal sacrifices they have to make?

    Physicians serve a very purposeful role in our society, unlike the fat cats on Wall Street, and deserve to be paid their worth.

    Sorry, but you’ve hit a raw nerve with me, as my husband is a physician.

    +++++++++++
    JustMe—You are right.
    I have watched two family members go through the long haul to an MD Degree and then onto a speciality.
    By the time they are finished, they are into
    debts well over $100k and still have
    not made a cent to pay back their loans.
    Anyone who doesn’t understand this is
    misinformed and needs to wake up —our
    physicians are one segment of American society we should be proud to preserve in its present
    state.

    DON’T TREAD ON DOCTORS!!!!!
    They are HERE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. I agree with usapatriots-shout.

    HRC, Gingrich, Romney are all part of the same two headed one party system.
    Huckabee spoke against questioning Obama’s eligibility.
    I hope we can get O out of there way before 2012 with all the other corruption that passes for government with him.
    Did you hear that Obama has asked to repeal the 22nd amendment? He wants to be dictator for life.

  41. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    JustMe // August 16, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Jacqlyn Smith // August 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Physicians taking pay cuts…..Have you looked at the statement you receive from your insurance company when they reimburse the physician? They HAVE taken huge cuts in pay.

    You may not be aware there are a lot of things they can’t even charge for such as an after hours phone call, thanks to the government. A lawyer, on the other hand, can and does charge you for every phone call. As it should be.

    Do you realize that plumbers and electricians earn more per hour than most physicians now. Surgeons are another story.

    Speciality physicians spend upwards of 13 yrs in school/training. Do you have any idea what the cost of their education is? Do you realize the personal sacrifices they have to make?

    Physicians serve a very purposeful role in our society, unlike the fat cats on Wall Street, and deserve to be paid their worth.

    Sorry, but you’ve hit a raw nerve with me, as my husband is a physician.
    ***************************************************************

    Well I am a teacher (over 35 years now) and we haven’t even had a pay raise in over 5 years….how would your husband like that….and I bet hands down that I have made alot more after work hour phone calls than he has!!! Also…speaking to education….a masters or doctorate in education is not cheap either compared to what we make and the many extra hours teachers spend after school in preparation….I’m just saying….everyone has to take a pay cut….even doctors my dear!!!

  42. Jacqlyn Smith

    JustMe—You are right.
    I have watched two family members go through the long haul to an MD Degree and then onto a speciality.
    By the time they are finished, they are into
    debts well over $100k and still have
    not made a cent to pay back their loans.
    Anyone who doesn’t understand this is
    misinformed and needs to wake up —our
    physicians are one segment of American society we should be proud to preserve in its present
    state.

    DON’T TREAD ON DOCTORS!!!!!
    They are HERE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *****************************************************

    There are lots of people here for us….doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen…etc…..everyone will have to do there fair share…..even if it means pay cuts…the money is gone….we have to deal with it!!!

  43. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    Kim // August 16, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    I agree with usapatriots-shout.

    HRC, Gingrich, Romney are all part of the same two headed one party system.
    Huckabee spoke against questioning Obama’s eligibility.
    I hope we can get O out of there way before 2012 with all the other corruption that passes for government with him.
    Did you hear that Obama has asked to repeal the 22nd amendment? He wants to be dictator for life.
    ****************************************************

    Kim…The DemoCRAPS have been calling for this even before the FRAUD got in office….they are all corrupt in one way or another….we need to get common sense Patriots in office that is all there is to it….or our republic is dead!!

  44. Jacqlyn Smith

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    usapatriots-shout // August 16, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    The candidate who will win my vote and support will be the one who calls Obama out. “Stand up or step down, Obama!” Then he has to present a platform that states he will work on restoring America to a republic under the constitution, and will repeal every one of the program and bills created by Obama that were unconstitutional. Most important of all, he must love everything about America–our history, traditions and values, our constitution, our people, and our capitalism. That is just the beginning.

    Such a candidate must have a clean track record, no background of cavorting with suspicious, nefarious anti American characters. He must be a Christian or Jew and have no Muslim, Trilateral, Bilderberger, or Illuminate ties. I don’t care what color he/she is. Allan Keyes would be a good candidate and he would be an inspiration to all. He is well educated, a constitutionalist, has integrity and loves America.
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    Alan Keyes was my man in the last election….DARN…..he just couldn’t beat the corruption of the FRAUD’S THUGS!

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