What to tell the Birthers Bashers, Mario Apuzzo, July 31, 2009, Natural born Citizen, Founding fathers, free of all foreign influence

From Mario Apuzzo, attorney in the lawsuit, Kerchner V Obama, July 31, 2009:

“You are poorly informed on the constitutional issue involved with Obama’s eligibility to be President. The primary issue is whether Obama is an Article II “natural born Citizen,” not whether he was born in the U.S. When drafting the eligibility requirements for the President, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen” in Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 and in Articles I, III, and IV of the Constitution. Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” after 1789 the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder have sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this.

The distinction between “citizen” and “natural born Citizen” is based on the law of nations which became part of our national common law. According to that law as explained by Vattel in his, The Law of Nations, a “citizen” is simply a member of the civil society. To become a “citizen” is to enter into society as a member thereof. On the other hand, a “natural born Citizen” is a child born in the country of two citizen parents who have already entered into and become members of the society. Vattel also tells us that it is the “natural born Citizen” who will best preserve and perpetuate the society. This definition of the two distinct terms has been adopted by many United States Supreme Court decisions. Neither the 14th Amendment (which covers only “citizens” who are permitted to gain membership in and enter American society by either birth on U.S. soil or by naturalization and being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), nor Congressional Acts, nor any case law has ever changed the original common law definition of a “natural born Citizen.” Congressional Acts and case law, like the 14th Amendment, have all dealt with the sole question of whether a particular person was going to be allowed to enter into and be a member of American society and thereby be declared a “citizen.” Never having been changed, the original constitutional meaning of a “natural born Citizen” prevails today. It is this definition of “natural born Citizen” which gives the Constitutional Republic the best chance of having a President and Commander in Chief of the Military who has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States. By satisfying all conditions of this definition, all other avenues of acquiring other citizenships and allegiances (jus soli or by the soil and jus sanguinis or by descent) are cut off. I call this state of having all other means of acquiring other citizenships or allegiances cut off unity of citizenship which is what the President must have at the time of birth.

Obama’s father was born in Kenya when it was a British colony. When he came to America, he was probably here on a student visa and he never became a legal resident of the U.S. or an immigrant. He had no attachment to the U.S. other than to study in its prestigious educational institutions which he did for the sole purpose of returning to Kenya and applying his learning there for the best interests of that nation. In fact, when he completed his studies, he did return to Kenya and worked for its government.”

Read more:

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-to-tell-birthers-bashers.html

129 responses to “What to tell the Birthers Bashers, Mario Apuzzo, July 31, 2009, Natural born Citizen, Founding fathers, free of all foreign influence

  1. the part I like best:

    “…It is this definition of “natural born Citizen” which gives the Constitutional Republic the best chance of having a President and Commander in Chief of the Military who has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States. By satisfying all conditions of this definition, all other avenues of acquiring other citizenships and allegiances (jus soli or by the soil and jus sanguinis or by descent) are cut off. ”
    ——————————————————-
    Constitutional Republic…to me, says it all.
    Thanks for the new ‘thread’…

  2. Jacqlyn Smith

    It is a great write…..I think we need to amend the Constitution to make anyone in any of the three branches of government a “natural born” citizen and they should have to prove it….there are too many of them on the take!!!

  3. ccwarrior,

    OMG….I am in total shock.

    People tell your friends DO NOT go to CARS.GOV

  4. What…..will the government start doing this one website at a time. We all MUST start reading the privacy notices again before we log into any site. I am wondering if the government owns my computer already?

  5. When you log in to “Cash for Clunkers” website you have consented without consent to

    “Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.”

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    Please Please Spread The Word

  6. Army D.A.V.

    ” We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert.” J. Robert Oppenheimer

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable”. John F. Kennedy

    The one good thing about this whole Charlie Foxtrot situation , I’ve acquired a lot of knowledge about history and the Constitution this past year and half.

  7. MommaE Radio Rebels – BlogTalkRadio – 8:00 p.m. EDT Friday 31 Jul 2009 – Kerchner et al v. Obama & Congress – Update by Atty Apuzzo and Mr. Kerchner:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mommaeradiorebels

    On NOW !!!

  8. Who says that a Natural Born Citizen requires two citizen parents and birth in the country?

    The constitution does not define Natural Born, but Natural Born was commonly used in the laws of the US Colonies before the Revolution, and it meant that someone became a citizen of the colony and a subject of Britain merely by being born in the colony. This was regardless of the number of parents who were subjects or citizens.

    This is what Natural Born refers to. It refers to the laws of citizenship at the time.

    It does not refer to the theories of Vattel, a Swiss philosopher, who was considered an expert in international law, but not an expert on citizenship or government. The writers of the Constitution did not follow Vattel on many things. For example, Vattel recommended that each nation establish its own religion and force people to convert to it.

    So where does Native Born come from? From the law, and not from Vattel. It comes from the laws in the American Colonies before the Revolution, in which anyone born in the colony was considered a Natural Born Subject of Britain AND a Natural Born Citizen of the colony. Being Natural Born simply meant being born in the colony regardless of the number of parents who were citizens.

    This was very commonly known among the writers of the Constitution. This is what Blackstone said (and he was very popular reading among the writers of the Constitution, who were mainly lawyers):

    “The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is alien.” http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/

    (And the minor exceptions referred to in “generally speaking” refers to the children of foreign diplomats.) To be clear, Blackstone says that Natural Born subjects (and in the USA, Natural Born Citizens) are those that are born in the country regardless of the number of citizen parents.

    And this is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Orren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

    Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

    “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

    Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

    “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

  9. truthbetold11

    America needs to be educated all over again about the constitution. One person at a time till everybody gets the message a long road ahead

  10. Have any of you watched the movie ‘The Obama Deception’? I will give a link (since I figured out how to). It is rather long, but VERY eye-opening. I cannot say I agree with everything in the movie, but I do agree with most of it. I LOVE you commenters here, but if I am out of line with what I post & asking for your input on, please tell me. I don’t want to offend or be seen as “nuts”, I just want feedback.PLEASE watch the movie & reply. It is over 2 hours long. It took me a couple of days to watch. And, as you will see in the film, they discuss the Federal
    Reserve. There is a very strong movement among the people to audit them to see where our money is really going.
    Bernanke is getting scared.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756

  11. OK, After you watch ‘The Obama Deception’, PLEASE watch this short clip about auditing the Federal Reserve. I see this as a positive thing.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-on-the-alex-jones-show-driving-ben-bernanke-crazy.html

  12. smrstrauss,

    Go away troll!

    Please, everyone else….don’t FEED THE TROLL!

  13. truthbetold11

    snrstrauss good spin stuff but you forgot one thing! Obama knows he’s not legal and he’s spent a million dollars making sure we don’t find out the truth. His first exe order is all you need to know about bho, sealing all presidential records, the presidency is about honor and trust.
    So far its been deception and false truths.

  14. For everyone on this blog who is not familiar with the Federal Reserve system, and the IRS, you ‘really should’ watch this film by Aaron Russo.

    America:Freedom to Fascism

    It is an elite group of wealthy bankers that seized the countries monetary system in 1913.

    They made a deal with Congress;let us print the money for you, and you’ll have unlimited spending/buying power.

    All we ask, is that you help us enslave your nation, and impose an ‘income tax’ upon your citizens.

    The Founding Fathers were against such a tax, and prohibited it in the Constitution, but slick, dirty, slime-ball, politicians subverted the Constitution, and did it anyway, of course after the Founding Fathers were all dead and gone.

    After you watch that one, you should watch this one. It shows how they got around the Constitution and enslaved the nation by…get this….Incorporating Washington D.C., and then all the states fell under the Corporation, which gives your soul to the Federal Gov’t.

    Watch this short video

  15. Jacqlyn Smith

    Mstrauss has been here before….don’t waste your time folks….he or she just doesn’t want to understand!!!

  16. magna carta

    Strauss is active on other blogs too.Maybe Obama has him on the ACORN payroll.

  17. smrstrauss, you must be a subcriber to the BS that Mr. Tranto of the WSJ was spewing about the birthers today. You should read the Substance put forward by Mr. Apuzzio, someone that has a great legal mind and speaks to FACT of law, not assumptions. Since you have to rely on someone else’s talking points , I’m sure you have a hard time keeping up with poster’s here that do research before they comment. No matter how it shakes out Obummer is a Usurper!!

  18. truthbetold11 // July 31, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    snrstrauss good spin stuff but you forgot one thing! Obama knows he’s not legal and he’s spent a million dollars making sure we don’t find out the truth. His first exe order is all you need to know about bho, sealing all presidential records, the presidency is about honor and trust.
    So far its been deception and false truths.
    +++++++++
    I remember when the Usurper did this his FIRST day in office, no less. It’s VERY obvious that Barack Hussein Obama/Soetoro is HIDING his real background from the American people. All he needs to do is UNSEAL his records instead of spending millions to hide them!!
    Until that happens, the Patriots will NOT go away.

    +++++++++
    COLUMBUS, OH RALLY
    Ohio—Statewide LiberTea Rally Tomorrow
    Statehouse Lawn, 2:00 PM (come early the
    crowd is anticipated in the thousands from
    around the state — Judge Napolitano will be there to speak on the Constitution.

    Themes of the rally: LIBERTY, FREEDOM,
    and the CONSTITUTION.
    *******************************

  19. Glenn Beck Attacks Obama Over His Aunt In Public Housing

  20. AND, have you seen this? This was filmed years ago by a an informant who imbedded himself into Bill Ayers group ‘Weather Underground’. Fits in very well with current agenda, I would say.

  21. Hey, smrsstrauss….why don’t you have conversation with me sometime? Not only will you find yourself sorely lacking intellectual bullets, but I can guarantee you….you’ll come away with a much firmer understanding of what an American is. I promise you.

  22. magna carta

    Can someone give Strauss Polarik & Lines whereabouts.They will have fun showing him the THREE FORGERIES.I don’t know maybe a little time over at The American Thinker will clue him in..or better yet LAME CHERRY oughta set him straight!

  23. Interesting article about Michele Obama. How proud she is for the first time in her life.

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652

  24. Ayers is an idiot. How did he get a government job in a college being a terrorist?

  25. Speaking of Glenn Beck, I posted the following over at Leo’s place: (still in moderation)

    “Leo, are you ready to appear on the “Glenn Beck Show?” (radio, TV, or both) I DVR Glenn’s show on Fox everyday. Eventually, someone will put this on youtube. I do not have the means to do that. On today’s show, Beck announced a feature on his website. The feature is entitled: “U.S. Constitution Watchdog.” This allows anyone to alert Glenn to any concern they may have about violations of the Constitution.

    I believe it is about time for Glenn Beck to be educated on Article II, Section I, Clause V, and what the significance of a natural born citizen is, and more importantly why the founders believe that it was essential to ensure the national security of the United States. I can think of no one better than you to be his tutor. (Possibly even you teaming up with Apuzzo) I believe that many here, and also at “Citizen Wells,” (and possibly elsewhere) will be more than happy to lay the “groundwork.” My question to you, dear Sir, is are you “game” to close the deal? Glenn Beck may have well just handed us a “gift.”

  26. I hate to say this, but Beck won’t cover it. I’ve come to the unfortunate realization that Beck will give us as much as he can or as much as we need (I do think that he’s very well intentioned) so that ratings will spike, but there’s a line at which his leash pulls. He won’t cover it, either because he and/or Fox are afraid of losing credibility, or he’s just protecting his job. Ultimately, there’s not one in the mainstream media – with the POSSIBLE exception of Lou Dobbs – who are willing to put their careers on the line for the people.

  27. Ohio is strongly seeing the light, the polls for
    Obama are falling fast, people are very disgusted
    with the Fraud in office. He will never win another election in this state, that I can assure you.

    Join Ohioans in the Statewide LiberTea,
    Freedom, CONSTITUTION Rally tomorrow.
    You are NOT alone. We surround “them,” and
    our numbers are huge.

  28. I don’t like posting those links, but i feel I have to do it somewhere. If I don’t post here, where should I go? I love you commenters here.

  29. Did any of you at least watch the Larry Grathwohl video? I know that woke me up. Please scroll up a bit & watch it (very short). Then watch this short link & comment:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/army-national-guard-advertises-for-%e2%80%9cinternment-specialists%e2%80%9d.html

  30. Sorry, that 2nd link was only an article to read, not watch.

  31. Nancy, keep posting. I have been watching the CSPAN hearings on the Bank of America purchase of Merrill Lynch. Fascinating! So, we donated $20b to Merrill Lynch; and $45b to BoA; and purchase price for ML was $50b. One of the Reps – a woman from CA – said, WE bought ML and gave it to BoA! I decided to learn all I could about finance and fiscal policy. I watched a great video on the Federal Reserve (I’ll find the link) and I bought a book on the stock market. In the olden days, we could – or thought we could – trust our elected officials to do the right thing. Now, we know better. Each of us needs to get up to speed on these issues (or find someone we really trust to advise us). So, keep posting. An informed citizenry is tyranny’s greatest enemy.

  32. I disagree John Feeny. I don’t think you have been watching Beck lately. He is vowing to stop Obama/Soetoro via any means (legal) possible. That CARS.GOV thing that he featured with Jonah Goldberg, freaked him out to no end.

    He realizes now that we have an “usurper” in office, and at least one of his “czars” is an avowed Marxist. He has conceded that this does not happen merely by accident, and is all be design. He doesn’t want to say the word “conspiracy” on national TV, but he doesn’t have to. He has well implied that many times over. Give Beck the benefit of the doubt here, especially with Judge Napolitano at his side.

    If someone will just present him with a “reasoned” argument for the proper understanding of Article II, Section I, Clause V, I believe his is willing to hear it. He is adamant that Obama/Soetoro is an enemy “inside the gate.” And, he must be stopped. Anyone’s fatalistic notions on the matter are NOT constructive to this end…

  33. truthbetold11

    sibel edmonds google her story about killing the messenger, wow! there is just massive cover up going on continually from one admin to another

  34. JCD –
    I’m not fatalistic; believe me, I’m fighting as hard as I can. I can’t help but feeling, however, that where the media is concerned, ‘both ends might be being played against the middle’, which, if true, is a frightening concept. I’d rather take care of myself with the help of people I trust; I’m not going to put blind faith in the media to protect me. Maybe Beck will come through, and I truly hope that he does, because like I said, I think he’s extraordinarily well-intentioned and a good man. I’m just not going to put myself in a position where I’m depending on someone else to protect me at a critical time.

  35. Okay, I got a hold of Attorney Apuzzo. Here is what I sent him.
    THEORIZING HOW TO PROVE BO IS NOT A NBC

  36. Oh, oh, link was not working. Try again.

    THEORIZING BO IS NOT A NBC”

  37. MONEY, BANKING, AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE

    Over 345,000 hits on this video. It is so simple, even an economics layperson can understand. And everyone should understand; follow the money.

  38. John Feeny

    Please explain , what you meant in a post last night about the Military not having any balls to do something , exactly what do you think the Military should do?.

  39. truthbetold11

    Going camping with my boys for weekend this help keeps what life is really all about. life is but a mist. God Almighty Rules

  40. jbjd–
    Glad for your encouragement. I was close to giving up on adding my input (which, like you I am sure, have spent many hours of research on). I am concerned that too many people in America are caught up in issues which will not produce the results which we are seeking. That is the reason I posted such things as I did, as I believe, through understanding all the injustice done for years, and standing up to establishments (if ya’ want to call it that) the Federal Reserve, etc., I truly believe we can overcome.

  41. Army –
    Here’s what I mean – it’s so plainly obvious that that this government has been hijacked…I mean, my dog can tell – at what point will SOMEONE high-ranking in the military simply refuse to follow the Messiah’s orders, or even REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE? I know that the military in Honduras was acting on orders from its congress, but for pete’s sake, enough is enough. I’m not suggesting that we as a people go lawless or make taking the law into our own hands an everyday practice; but something unconstitutional has to be done to SAVE the constitution.

  42. Nancy

    Don’t fall for the propaganda , we surround them , we are the majority…..

    August is almost here , get ready for the town hall meetings , bring your camera and signs….. the boys are coming to town……..let them have it……..get in their face …

    If the regime fails to get control over our medical records they’re done………….defeated………….its over for Soetoro and gang…….

  43. http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5303

    ________

    I had a good laugh reading this so called, enlightened individuals deep knowledge on the subject of a rogue Mombassa Kenyan’s extreme purgery.

    He is probably walking around with a feather in his cap feeling strong with his great wisdom.

    Through him to the lions !

  44. zachjonesishome

    Just checking in before bed. CitizenWells, I’ll put your post up tomorrow. Good Night. Zach

  45. Last September (just before the pres. election), my husband & I were in Atlantic City to celebrate our 27th anniv. But, we were, instead, watching the “crisis” unfold for the so-called stimulus unfold. I remember saying “OMG-this has to be intentional”. Husband was saying “No that could not be, why do you say that? I told him it was just my gut feeling.

  46. John Feeny

    We can only hope the American Patriots will be as strong as the Hondurans & the Iranians to resist a tyrannical leader.

  47. Thanks ARMY D.A.V.-

    Appreciate your response.
    Just wondering, have you visited the site at ‘Oath Keepers’? I love that site, but they have not been keeping on top of things (or maybe they are underground). Take a look a the 10 orders that they will NOT OBEY.

  48. John Feeney and Army D.A.V.:

    What the Joint Chiefs should state to Soetoro is the following:

    “Mr. Obama, you have been placed under suspicion of Impersonating an Officer per Article 124, Paragraph 160 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. You have 7 days to ensure you are eligible under Article II, Section 5 of the United States Consitution or the United States Military will have no choice but to place you under detainment. Please respond to this request within 24 hours.”

    That should sum things up in one nice neat little package for our usurper. I would expect a resignation from him within 48 hours if the military demanded this.

  49. We’re having tea August 15. I think a lot of the Government Idiots are getting scared to have Town Halls.
    RecessRally.com is calling for nationwide protests at local congressional and senatorial district offices on August 22. We have to make it count THIS MONTH!

  50. John Feeny

    You have to break the law to enforce the law ,uuuum ……. are you a radical or something ?.

    Evidently you have never served in the military .

    You gave me the creeps with your statement calling our military cowards because sitting next to me on my desk is a picture of my buddy , Edwin Danehart . goggle the online Viet Nam Memorial wall .

    You’re all mixed up friend and I really don’t know what to tell you………..

  51. Kim,

    They’re using the protests as an excuse to once again remove our right for redress re. Amendment I of the U.S. Constitution.

    We must all demand our representatives to represent us or we will be at WAR very very soon!

  52. Please do vist this site & BE SURE to scroll down to read the orders these wonderful guys will NOT obey (on the left bar)

  53. Acorn can get out there whenever and that’s ok…

  54. OOPS! Sorry, forgot to give a link. Here is Oath Keepers link. They are awesome. Pass it on, please.

    http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/

  55. Nancy

    Thanks Nancy, I’ll check out the site . I have a lot of favorites maybe 300 sites now. But CW is my favorite .

  56. It’s good to see Leo taken some time from the poker table and monitor the Wall Street Urinal.

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/wall-street-journal-caught-spreading-false-legal-propaganda-via-james-taranto/

    Can’t wait to read his article on the 14 year resident requirement in Article II to be eligible for POTUS. Should be interesting for a non US citizen to be a resident in the US for 14 years

  57. Army D.A.V.

    I agree, CW is my fav, too. I have to make a correction, tho – 10 orders these military guys won’t obey is on right bar (NOT LEFT). I’m sure you will find it anyway.

  58. A timely piece for our NBC troll this evening:

    Caution: TROLLS (smrsstraus) at work!!

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/caution_trolls_at_work.html

    lol

  59. What happened to SueK ?.

  60. Army DAV I was wondering the same thing…also has anyone heard from BerlinBerlin or kittycat77…haven’t seen them post in a long while.

    One thing that I was wondering is if BaHO was born at the same hospital as the twins couldn’t we contact the Doctor that delivered them (located on their bc) and find out who was on staff to deliver babies at that time? Just wondering…even though I know that regardless of where he was born if he is the son of SAD and BO Sr. he could never be a NBC under the requirements for President.

    Any thoughts on the “Test” that Joe Biden was speaking of in BaHO’s first six months?

  61. John Feeny………………………………………
    Congrats on your quality command of grammer! Regarding Beck it is doubtful that he will EVER align himself wifh either camp. He has too many more important irons in the fire. Where he is concerned the dominant force is FOX. His restraint thus far seems to show that Beck’s main interest is Beck, and he isn’t likely to “rattle the wrong cages” if you will.

  62. Fox is to a degree following the fairness doctrine which is where the “Fair and Balanced” propaganda has it’s foundation. The radical liberal left would really enjoy seeing the “Fairness Act”imposed upon ALL broadcasters. I have a feeling that such behavior would highly incense a whole lot of the broadcasting community, and we would see a resultant evaporation of a large number of our talk shows. With respect to Beck I agree that he is on a leash, and it will only extend as far as FOX has set for.

  63. Perhaps some of you will find this a bit humorous and heartening.

    (And smrstrauss should not read this, he/she would not understand.)

    I was having a discussion earlier tonight with my adult daughter and her boyfriend – both of whom understand the issues at stake to save the country.

    I was telling them that I spend my days online looking for blogs and other places to educate those that do not know – and for the record I consider my visits here a respite from idiots.

    They wanted to know if I found any approach that works.

    I told them there were two things that seem to be effective.

    First, I ask folks to imagine that if Obama is constitutionally eligible, so would the spawn of Osama bin Laden born by an American woman in New York City. They nodded and approved.

    Second, I ask them how they would feel if Obama’s father were still alive and prominent in the politics of Kenya.

    My daughter instantly asks, “And what happens if Osama bin Laden kidnaps Obama’s father?”

    I laughed – she gets it – and I will be adding that to my online posts in liberal enemy territory.

    I hope some of you found this amusing.

  64. I think pigs flew! Can’t believe this article from non other than the Huffer and Puffer Post. The comments are great too!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-joseph/the-only-thing-weirder-th_b_248227.html

  65. AP

    The biden test already happened and he failed…….

    Look at the mess the middle east is end…….

    Look at the mess we are in .

    The sire B.O SR , do we even know that for sure?

    Facts we know for sure

    Indonesian citizen .

    He didn’t register with selective service.

    The COLB is a forgery……

    Everything else is speculation and hearsay.

  66. Anyone here have trouble accessing Dr. Orly Taitz’s website recently? Late this evening when checking her site for updates, I got a warning box from GOOGLE popping up in the middle of my computer screen about her website. Something about it was reported to contain Malware. It redirects me to one of their sites explaining the warning. Something seems very weird to me on this.

    Anyone else have this problem?

  67. Jacqlyn Smith

    JustMe—-I got the same warning….something is not right!!

  68. Sue is fine. She needs a break. I got an email yesterday from her.

    I just think we all need to try to respect each others opinions.We are all here with a common goal and we are all Patriots…except the occassional spineless troll who drops by.

    We should be kind to one another even when we do disagree. Take the frustration out on a deserving troll…..lol

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  71. zachjonesishome

    I have new post up. CitizenWells, I have included your post. I have to thank Rush Limbaugh for reminding me of the terms “Charlie Foxtrot” and its normally reply “Foxtrot Alpha” Did you guys Rush’s discussion of birth certificate issue. He described National Review article as excellent. Have a great weekend. Zach

  72. zachjonesishome

    Thank you Sandy. Zach

  73. Jacqlyn Smith – sabotaged again you think?

    Sandy, this is the site I went to. In fact when I roll over the link you have posted here, the warning notice is shown.

    Hoping all is okay with her. I know she is having a huge impact and made the big break through this past week in the MSM. This sabotage was bound to happen.

  74. zachjonesishome

    I just went to Orly’s site and got the warning message. I continued and posted a comment. My security software has not given me any warnings.

    I hope she triple checks and give the appropriate people hell. Zach

  75. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/is_hillary_revolting.html

    Just when only faint sounds from Hillary could be heard, now this.

  76. Read about SOTOMAYOR
    www;judicial-disicpline-reform.org

    Call Senators WOW!!!!

  77. Sandy—thanks for the update about Sue.
    I miss her. She had good input and comments.
    Believe me I understand though. I hope as you say everyone here does take your advise which
    makes sense. In the heat of this battle tempers
    flair as long as the targets are the politicians
    and not the posters here. Inotherwords, no
    personal attacks just political attacks, right?

  78. citizenwells

    I emailed Carol Swain to correct what she said.
    Certification of live birth, not “certificate of live birth.”

  79. Venice—read the opinion article. Can only
    go by what HRC said when asked. I would hardly
    call her a traitor, it was the big FRAUD that
    got all of his Arab buddies and ACORN to
    BUY and CHEAT his way into the White House.

    I’d rather have HRC over Obama if that were
    the choice.

    Right now, all our energy is being spent in
    getting the word out to get OBAMA OUT!!!!!!!!!

    As Kim said, I believe, August is an important
    month. I think go to as many tea party rallies
    as you can ALONG WITH the town hall mtgs. to SHOUT OUT your opinions!!!!!!!!!!

  80. Also it very important to listen to the radio stations daily and CALL IN. Since the beginning of the BC/NBC revelation occurred, I’ve been
    a caller to our local stations and put in my
    two cents. Every little bit helps.

    ===========
    Nancy,
    Have you had a chance to go to any rallies/
    tea parties, town mtgs, etc.? If not I think
    you may want to go to meet many of your
    fellow citizens who are just as concerned as
    you are and passion about this. Most people
    have been fighting the “good” fight in a
    variety of ways for a very long time and as
    you see it’s not going to be an instant “fix.”
    Fight on and DON’T TREAD ON ME. Maddie.

  81. on Beck’s radio show recently he talked about
    the illegal alien aunt of Obama’s who has returned to the Boston public housing (had been
    in Cleveland, OH after she fled Boston in the
    beg.). Her trial he said is still 6 mos. away. So
    we have two illegal Kenyan aliens we are paying for in “public” housing—one Obama “auntie”
    in tax payer housing and one Obama “president”
    in tax payer housing.

    Also Beck informed us that Obama’s “uncle”
    was in Boston also—a HOMELESS person.

    Then, don’t forget his half-brother in Kenya
    who lives on pennies a day in the “hut.”

    So, when our illustrious “usurper-in-chief”
    claims he FEELS HIS BROTHER’S PAIN–
    DON’T believe a word the LIAR SAYS!!!!

  82. See ya all later, going downtown to the rally.

  83. Maddie,

    I agree.

  84. zachjonesishome

    This is what Rush said yesterday- From Rush’s site-
    Rush described as an excellent article on July 31st
    Story #8: Andy McCarthy’s Brilliant Piece on Obama’s Honesty

    RUSH: Oh, that birther thing, you know, the birth certificate thing. Andy McCarthy wrote a brilliant piece on this whole birth certificate controversy at National Review Online. Really, he says, it’s not about the birth certificate. It’s about Obama’s honesty. He hasn’t released his law school records, his law review records, his Columbia records, his university records. He hasn’t released a lot of things. This thing could easily be shut down if Obama would just release the birth certificate. You remember the Drive-By Media and the Dan Rather business? Dan Rather, faked documents. Mary Mapes and Dan Rather faked documents to show that Bush skipped out of National Guard service, and they ended up giving Daniel Rather an award! They circled the wagons. Peter Jennings and Brokaw, they gave him an award for great work. They circled the wagons.

    They made it up, and now, “This is just a bunch of kooks. The birthers are just a bunch of kooks” and so forth, and everybody being told to avoid them and so forth. Obama could shut it down. There has to be some reason he doesn’t want people to see that birth certificate. Maybe it’s dual citizenship, who knows. But, as McCarthy points out: The birth certificate is not the point here. The point is we have a president of the United States who will not tell us who he is. He spends 20 years in an insane pastor’s church who practices black liberation theology, which is basically African socialism, and says he didn’t hear what I said. We have a president who doesn’t want people to know him. We have a president who wants people to know only the public vision or version that we get when he goes out and makes these speeches with the god reverb and echo behind him.

  85. JCD 10:19
    Beck is trying, I agree. But his job is still dependent on the powers over him at Fox. How much will they let him do? Good question. One minute I think Murdoch is for OB and then I hear him say things that make me think he isn’t so in love with him. He also hasn’t been interviewed in awhile to my knowledge so who knows what he is thinking. He is one of the elite, wealthy possible nwo advocates, so who can trust he says anyway. To me, Rush is the most independent, but he is very careful to maintain his status, so I don’t know how far he will really go either. He also may owe favors to someone or have skeletons in his past that are being held over his head. At least they are willing to bring up some things about OB that the msm isn’t touching because they are in bed with the OB admin.

    Also, if Judge Napoitano is helping out at Fox, he should know all about the Constitution and how to interpret it. That’s his specialty. I would think he has educated them all about what is going on with any violations of the Constitution. Why he hasn’t been allowed to voice his nbc/eligibility concerns more forcefully is a guess. He is also paid by Fox so maybe his leash is short too. One day maybe some of them will fund an independent news channel that will tell all to the American people. If they can get FCC approval that is or go underground some how. Until then, we have to be happy some of this stuff is getting out. As long as the ratings are high at Fox and Murdoch is making money, he will allow them to go on just so far. It’s all about the money in the end. We shall see.

  86. We need to support this guy.
    He is a A real representative “of the people”:

    http://mchenry.house.gov/Multimedia/?MediaID=1379

  87. I received the following email this morning from my brother. This is the way things should be. It gave me goosebumps & gave me faith in humanity. It is definitely worth taking a few moments to watch:

    Subject: A hero’s return home

    This is worth taking the time to watch. You will be moved. Before you jump into the day’s activities go grab a cup of coffee, sit down in the quiet of your office, home, or wherever you can watch this without interruption, and reflect on the valor of a soldier who volunteered to protect us.
    >
    Killed in action the week before, the body of Sergeant First Class John C. Beale was returned to Falcon Field in Peachtree City, Georgia, just south of Atlanta , on June 11, 2009. The Henry County Police Department escorted the procession to the funeral home in McDonough, Georgia . A simple notice in local papers indicated the route to be taken and the approximate time.
    >
    Nowadays, one can be led to believe that America no longer respects honor and no longer honors sacrifice outside the military. Be it known that there are many places in this land where people still recognize the courage and impact of total self-sacrifice. Georgia remains one of those grateful places. The link below is a short travelogue of that day’s remarkable and painful journey.
    >
    Only watch this if you wish to have some of your faith in people restored. Please share widely.

    > http://blip.tv/play/AYGJ5h6YgmE

  88. Heading out to my sons football game … the one I had to provide his official long form BC to get him on team!

    Anyway, I haven’t had a chance to get caught up on reading all comments, but I would like to suggest, if someone else hasn;t already, that we through our support and wrote letters, etc… To Sgt Lashley. ( BTW – Thank you JeanieJo for providing the video on the last thread. ) I think the letter that he sent to the TOTUS was spot on. He came out and said that he was being caled an Uncle Tom and that he believes thet Professor Gates caused such racial problems that they may not be able to correct later. I don’t have the exact words, but for those who haven’t read what he wrote to the Professor and what he said to Sgt Crowley – you should. What a very brave man.

    I think we should bombard him with support in any way we can. If anyone has any info on how to reach him by the Cambridge Police Web site or the Police Dept address … he needs our support. He is saying that Gates started this racial problem and we all know how the TOTUS continued the problem. This man needs our support. We is being called names and he said it is only because “he spoke the truth” about Gates. I give so much respect to him and he needs us. He had the ball$ to write a letter to BO and tell him how it really went down.

    How can we get in touch with him and don’t you think we should? We are NOT racist and this man has stepped up to the plate and he needs us?

    What say you?

  89. sorry for all the typos

  90. Sorry, he didn’t write to the Professor he wrote a letter to the Usurper …

  91. Interesting reminder of an opinion about Obama from before the election by an elite who wasn’t so enamored of the One. Very prophetic:

    “According to a May 22, 2008 Bloomberg article by Michael McGee:

    Billionaire investor Carl Icahn said Barack Obama would be a “terrible” U.S. president whose election would bring higher interest rates and a loss of international confidence in the dollar.

    “I don’t normally get involved in politics, but this time I am,” Icahn told an investors conference in New York last night. “I don’t think Obama really understands economics.”

    {snip}

    “I personally think he would be a terrible president,” Icahn, 72, said. Obama would probably go on a “huge spending spree” that “the country can’t afford right now.”

    Coupled with the higher tax rates that the Illinois senator has already endorsed, “you would have a loss of confidence in the dollar,” leading to accelerating inflation and “much higher interest rates,” Icahn said.

    Even worse, Icahn said, would be a Democratic president with a veto-proof supermajority of 60 Democrats elected to the Senate.

    {snip}

    “It would be devastating,” he said. “Then you couldn’t stop runaway legislation.”

  92. Post Larry’s new book to order
    http://www.larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com

    He is sending one to BHO for his birthday!!

  93. Hey, what gives?

    Sandy’s site posted (7:51) led to this screen:

    Reported Attack Site!

    This web site at http://www.orlytaitzesq.com has been reported as an attack site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

    Attack sites try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

    Some attack sites intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.

  94. jenniejo–

    Wow! Thanks.

  95. Army –
    You misunderstand me, my friend. I’m far from a radical, and I’d like to think that I’m actually a pretty nice guy. I’m sure that you and I are of the same ilk. The one point on which we disagree seems to be this: If I’m anything, I’m a law-abiding citizen; however, if something so radical and obvious is being perpetrated upon the foundation of our laws and our natural rights and freedoms, how long are we supposed to sit in obedient acquiescence? As long as the Constitution says so? Thomas Jefferson himself said, and I’m paraphrasing here, that there comes a time when people must by right dissolve the political bands that have joined them to their government. I’m not even suggesting that we do that. It’s just that given the intentional speed at which this maniac is moving – and let’s be honest here – there’s not going to be much of the Constitution left to defend if something of common sense isn’t done. Personally, I love the suggestion from JeffM at 11:31 – that makes perfect sense. The question remains – WHY isn’t ANYONE confronting the obvious?

  96. Shocking video:

    Thinking about a “cash for clunkers deal”

    Don’t go to cars.gov

  97. Patriot Dreamer

    twe, Orly’s site might have been attacked again by hackers who have put malware on there.

  98. Patriot Dreamer

    twe, here’s a comment from Dr. Taitz about the warnings on her blog:

    “Answer: yes these are just scared dumb obots are trying to scare our patriots not to go on my site. Please complain to Google. If Google doesn’t stop, they will be named as an additional defendant in RICO action. (stands for Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organizations)”

  99. Administration accused of voter intimidation cover-up
    Congressman on dismissed case: ‘President’s political allies getting free pass’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105628

  100. Patriot Dreamer

    Hidden truth about ObamaCare:

  101. Thanks Patriot Dreamer.

  102. It’s a way Obots reduce traffic to anti-Obama sites. Has happened to Donofrio.

    See Apuzzo’s site:

    “A notice has been received from Google and Blogspot that this blog may be deleted in 20 days based on complaints (probably phony spamming and TOS violation charges filed by the Obots or concerns being passed down from the top itself).”

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/censorship-by-google-and-blogspot.html

  103. I just posted for today. I’d suggest you all read what I have to say…It’s exceedingly important, based upon what I have every reason to believe is completely reliable information. Some of you through various other channels may have gotten the same info; however, please take the two minutes to read what I’ve posted.

    http://conrest.blogspot.com/2009/08/theyve-crossed-line.html

  104. Can anyone get into Dr. Taitz’ blogsite? I try to go and I get a message that it’s been reported as an attack site and can’t get in. I’m sure the obots have done this.

    thanks

  105. kittycat —————

    Click “Ignore this warning”.

  106. Citing Hawaii’s UIPA Information and Records Request Guidelines, I requested ALL Obama’s VITAL RECORDS and BIRTH CERTIFICATES.

    I asked Leo Donofrio to look it over and give me an opinion. He thinks I made my case well.

    Please read it carefully, I cite rules that have NO EXCEPTION for VITAL Records. Other rules make exception for VITAL RECORDS, but not the TWO I cite.

    Birth Date and Ethnicity are the only significant rights to privacy per my request. I could live without seeing those if they decide to withhold them.

    Again, read it carefully. I think I have made a case to disclose in the public’s interest.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2305734/posts

  107. I posted my UIPA request to Orly’s blog not long before the “hacked” message appeared. I feel responsible.

    Now I am just posting the link to it.

    Sorry, Orly, if you were hacked due to my comment!

  108. Gordo: Click “Ignore this warning”.

    I did click it. The first time it worked, then I clicked to read comments and got it again. I clicked it and it was like my computer was locked up.

  109. Posted in comments on Orly’s site. Anyone familiar with this browser. I have IE and go there fine.

    Lowell Banner says:
    August 1, 2009 at 9:40 am
    Dianne – thanks for the Ixquick lead. I have started using it and I like the idea of not leaving my address everywhere.
    Regina – if you are not having problems when you visit Orly’s site , then don’t worry about it. If you are tired of the invasive stuff we know that Google and others do…try using Ixquick.com. good luck

  110. Barry Soetoro FRAUD

    This is great stuff, but the Birther Bashers have so many excuses and are in such deep denial that they’ll probably come up with some way to answer for this; lame as it might be.

  111. JOHN FEENY –

    YES, indeed the flu virus was a designer virus – proven without a doubt by the genetic makeup – part human, part bird & part animal. No doubt it was “born” in a lab.

    There is great concern about the purported vaccine that is being manufactured. The adjuvants (additives) in addition to the virus should cause grave concerns. One such adjuvant is Squalene…it is highly toxic and is responsible for The Gulf War Syndrome. Other adjuvants are anti-freeze, formaldehyde, mercury and other known carcinogens. I urge you to visit Dr. Tenpenny’s sites, as well as, Dr. Rebecca Caryle’s site. BOTH have solid information and guidelines to protect yourself & your family.

    http://www.drtenpenny.com/
    http://www.pandemicfluonline.com/
    http://www.drcarley.com/

    Vaccines have become a cash cow for big pharma and amount to nothing more than a bio weapon. By the way, many on The Hill, including Obama, sit on the board of these pharmaceutical companies that have the gov. contracts. It’s being reported that Baxter applied for the patent back in 2007 for the vaccine.

    Watch for forced vaccinations, Marshall Law and God knows what else. A recent article posted on infowars.com provided a link to an ad placed on a hispanic online job/career site by the National Guard seeking a Corrections Officer Internment/Resettlement Specialist in Florida. Now, why would we need this?

    Here’s the link to the ad.

    http://www.ihispano.com/job/employer/481986/view/detail/results/army-national-guard/pensacolapanama-city/florida&nosearch=0?from=SimplyHired&utm_source=SimplyHired&utm_medium=jobboard&utm_campaign=SimplyHired

  112. Jacqlyn Smith

    #

    venice // August 1, 2009 at 8:39 am

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/is_hillary_revolting.html

    Just when only faint sounds from Hillary could be heard, now this.
    *******************************************************

    As I have said all along….why would you agree to be this man’s SOS when you know of his policies and also know that he is an illegal POTUS…Hillary can’t play dumb to this…..she even brought it up in the primaries that he wasn’t a NBC and then abruptly stopped pursuing……WHY???? I smell a RAT….now things aren’t working out for her so now she wants to rebel……HMMMM….makes me wonder about her loyalty to country first….then her pocketbook!!

  113. You guys……what do you makeof this???

    Would this not be an interesting way for her to fire a shot across Obama’s bow?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=a4ZlQ6n5Aw7Y

  114. Jacqlyn Smith

    MissTickly—-Any and everything is worth a try….I wish you luck….keep up the great job Patriot!!

  115. Jacqlyn Smith

    sandy // August 1, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    You guys……what do you makeof this???

    Would this not be an interesting way for her to fire a shot across Obama’s bow?

    ***********************************************

    What would be better is if she demanded to see the FRAUD’S real birth certificate that they have sealed in Kenya…..I won’t hold my breath on that one…..HRC could do what Corsi couldn’t because she has power and he didn’t….he just got arrested and held for a while in jail….I doubt they would do that to her! She won’t help her country out because she is just as big a traitor as the rest of them…..in my books she sold her soul to the DEVIL when she hooked up with this administration!!

  116. venice @ 8:39 & the linked story: near the bottom, loved the “Chihuahua” remark…LOL!
    …thanks for the post.

  117. question/food for thought…sort of…hmmm:
    where does it say that the ‘antichrist’ would be a man?…if you follow that stuff. I think the more appropriate term, and more relevant to the language of our day is “the lawless one”.

  118. smrstruss I totally agree with you. For all of you who believe that the Constitution’s version of Natural Born Citizen was based on Vattel’s Law of Nation then explain smrstruss’s point. You can’t. Here is what Vattel said about religion.

    Unless Barack Obama’s father was a head of state, or a diplomat, he is born under the jurisdiction of the United States. You guys are arguing that Vattel BullS_it. He said that natural born means to be born to both parents. He also said that each nation should have their own religion and force it’s citizen be part of it.

    Vattel refuses to take Pufendorf’s Prussian tolerationist path of separating state and religion, which would be tantamount to separating state from nation and society. Instead, he opts for the Swiss solution to religious conflict, in which each nation (canton) must establish its own public religion, leaving dissenters with the option of emigrating to their own national religious territory (I.xii.129-31, pp. 157-59).

    So if the framers of the Constitution was listening to Vattel on Natural Born Citizen then why does the very First Amendment of the Constitution reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” ?
    I expect insults rather than a intelligent discussion. Course I might be suprised.

  119. Jacqlyn Smith

    JIm and Struass—Troll somewhere else…no one is buying your BS here. We have had numerous discussions at this BLOG and know what we know to be the truth…..We don’t have time to waste on your nonsense….WE had a COUNTRY to SAVE!!!

  120. Jacqlyn Smith

    Suppose to be “have”….My hope it is not too late!

  121. Jacqlyn you troll somewhere else if you can’t handle the truth.

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